January 15, 2014
— Ace What religion those beliefs arise out of is never specified. But, this being Canada, where the law says you could be fined or imprisoned for denigrating a particular religion's beliefs, I have a guess.
A student enrolled in York University's online program was assigned an in-person group project which included women. He told his professor he would not be able to work with women due to his religious beliefs and asked his professor to arrange it so that he wouldn't have to. The professor informed the student he would not be able to accommodate him. The York University administration overruled the professor and instructed him to honor the request.
The school stated a request by one of Grayson's students - who has yet to be identified - must be granted because of the university's obligations under the Ontario Human Rights Code when it comes to religious accommodation.Grayson's response, which was obtained by QMI Agency on Monday, argues that the decision made by York University dean Martin Singer is based on weak ground and is a slap in the face to female students - whom, he argues, also have rights to be accepted and treated equally.
"I do not believe that we want to be known as a university in which the rights of female students can be compromised by religious concerns," Grayson said in his Monday statement, quoting himself in a letter he sent to the university's dean in October, shortly after the student made his request.
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Grayson, who has acknowledged he grants such requests to some students for reasons of distance, initially did not want to agree to the student's request because of how it would make females in the class feel, and sent his reasoning to Singer....
"I have empirical evidence indicating that the granting of the accommodation would lead some female members of the class to feel belittled and humiliated," Grayson writes. "In other words, the accommodation would have a substantial impact on other students' experience of the class.
"This alone should have been sufficient to deny the accommodation."
As noted in the TV magazine segment on this below, the student actually accepted the professor's reasoning regarding the refusal to accommodate him. That is, he said, "Well okay then."
It's the school, now, which seems to be pressing the matter on his behalf.
I have two thoughts here. The first is the obvious one: This is an absurd request and should be denied.
The second one, though, is this: We all know that many in positions of authority are determined to impose their own values system on anyone who has the misfortune to find himself under their control.
I object to this student's backwards-ass religious imperative of regarding women only as baby-makers and homemakers. But so what? What do I care if he believes something, even if it is a stupid thing?
I don't respect his belief in the sense of finding any justification for it. But I can at least respect his right to be as wrong as he wishes, so long as it's not unduly burdensome for anyone else.
I guess that's what the question comes down to -- whether honoring this student's request would be "unduly burdensome" for the female students he was separated from in group projects. The professor's reasoning is that they'd feel "belittled," but that comes very close in my mind to the all-purpose justification for squashing minority beliefs and opinions -- someone's feelings will be hurt if you're permitted to go on believing this thing.
I also wonder about the female students this guy would be working with, should his request not be honored. Would they find working with him to be pleasant? Or a chore? If avoiding feelings of discomfort is the goal, I think I might choose to separate the female students from this cretin.
How much of a stake should society have in ensuring, with all its government power and government-supported institutions, that no one ever discovers that someone else in the world doesn't like her?
Apologies: Insomnia struck. I had been getting up and going to bed early and then last night, wide awake in bed until nearly seven.
Clarified/Corrected: Although the student was taking the class (a sociology class) online, the actual group project was in-person.
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Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 15, 2014 10:48 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Harry at January 15, 2014 10:48 AM (ao2LR)
Posted by: lindafell at January 15, 2014 10:49 AM (PGO8C)
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Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 15, 2014 10:51 AM (bCEmE)
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Posted by: Surellin at January 15, 2014 10:51 AM (DWuhs)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 15, 2014 10:51 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 15, 2014 10:52 AM (IN7k+)
Posted by: JL at January 15, 2014 10:52 AM (Nl3J+)
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 10:52 AM (GQ8sn)
"My religion prevents me from working with gay"
"My religion prevents me from working with blacks"
"My religion requires me to take the still beating heart of a College Professor"
What could go wrong?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 15, 2014 10:52 AM (GcYmn)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 15, 2014 10:53 AM (pginn)
Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 10:53 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: redenzo at January 15, 2014 10:53 AM (WCnJW)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 15, 2014 10:54 AM (fA3u5)
In situations where two students' rights conflict, no one's rights should prevail and the class should be conducted normally.
Let the male student take his spring break to Saudi Arabia where he can spend it beating women to get his groove back.
Posted by: Adjoran at January 15, 2014 10:54 AM (473jB)
Posted by: lindafell at January 15, 2014 10:54 AM (PGO8C)
At least what I hear.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 10:54 AM (TM1p8)
Posted by: NotCoach at January 15, 2014 10:55 AM (rsudF)
Posted by: Adjoran at January 15, 2014 10:55 AM (473jB)
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Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 10:55 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Y-not at January 15, 2014 10:56 AM (NZeb5)
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Posted by: Lincolntf at January 15, 2014 10:56 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 15, 2014 10:57 AM (KjlbF)
"While it is not unheard of for students’ religious beliefs to clash with the secular values in public schools — from Ontario Catholic schools being forced to let students form gay-straight alliances, to criticisms of a Toronto middle school that allows its Muslim students to hold Friday prayers in the school cafeteria, with girls seated behind the boys — such controversies are rare in higher learning."
Canada, Ladies and Gentlemen.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 15, 2014 10:57 AM (kdS6q)
We have Newfies.
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 10:57 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Basement Cat at January 15, 2014 10:57 AM (53cD3)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 15, 2014 10:57 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 15, 2014 10:57 AM (0MVzQ)
Posted by: nadavegan at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (82xG6)
Posted by: Judge Pug at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (Qev5V)
That would be the irresistible force versus the immovable object.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (m2Izr)
Posted by: Y-not at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (NZeb5)
It's an online course - but the group portion requires them to meet. some were excused from the group portion because of the time or expense of getting there if they lived far away.
This has been big in the Canadian news. The best article I read asked if we would need to develop a hierarchy for this kind of crap now. Should gays supercede woman, muslims supercede gays etc. The only non argument being that white male Christians in the hierarchy would fall just below pus, and just above bacteria.
Posted by: Vizzy at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (iO5yE)
Posted by: BignJames at January 15, 2014 10:59 AM (HtUkt)
If anyone objected to working with the muslim, they'd be fined or jailed in Canada. How does this stroker get away with refusing to work with women?? How about we make this turd a member of a team of one.
Posted by: Buddha at January 15, 2014 10:59 AM (s/sIv)
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 02:53 PM (5Wdng)
AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by: All the Nutjobs Out There at January 15, 2014 10:59 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 10:59 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2014 10:59 AM (/FnUH)
"While the York studentÂ’s religion has not been made public, Grayson had consulted one Judaic and two Islamic scholars, and all three said there was no issue with males and females interacting in public."
So, not Methodist.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 15, 2014 11:00 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: redenzo at January 15, 2014 11:00 AM (WCnJW)
Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 11:00 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: joncelli at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (RD7QR)
Turnabout's fair play, Goat Fucker.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (TM1p8)
Posted by: Hal at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (MftY/)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Y-not at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (NZeb5)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (bCEmE)
That would be the irresistible force versus the immovable object.
If my suspicions are correct I am quite sure his religion would prevent him from working with teh gheys. But even the most bloodthirsty of Mo's followers know better than to challenge the ghey mafia on their home turf, the Halls of Academe.
Posted by: Alamo at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (m/tN9)
Posted by: Lauren at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (hFL/3)
Well, California says, SUCK IT.
http://tinyurl.com/lrqnplp
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (b1/nQ)
Posted by: ace at January 15, 2014 11:02 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Marc Lepine at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (oFCZn)
Well, California says, SUCK IT.<
YAY!
Posted by: Chelsea Manning at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (2A43Q)
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:04 AM (GQ8sn)
Hmm. Would that wedding cake get baked?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 11:04 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 11:04 AM (CJjw5)
There's a better solution.
Posted by: Marc Lepine at January 15, 2014 03:03 PM (oFCZn)
Lepine was stone, cold crazy. Not a religious zealot.
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:04 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 03:04 PM (GQ8sn)<
The parts I go to (NW Ontario) still aren't like this.
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (KjlbF)
Posted by: rickb223
Red is the color of enemy. Blue / green is for friendlies.
RED on RED.
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Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (IXrOn)
http://tinyurl.com/kp9nd5d
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2014 11:06 AM (XUKZU)
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Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 11:06 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 15, 2014 03:05 PM (KjlbF)
I grew up in Toronto, and left there to go to college down in the US. I have watched my hometown slowly turn into a gigantic shit hole over my lifetime and it makes me sad.
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:07 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 15, 2014 11:07 AM (SUKHu)
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 11:08 AM (5Wdng)
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Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2014 11:09 AM (oFCZn)
Never spent a lot of time there. Tons of time in Ottawa during the 90's and early 2000's before the tech crash. Liked it a lot back then.
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 15, 2014 11:09 AM (KjlbF)
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Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 11:10 AM (P7Wsr)
The only religion with 100% unassailable Religious Freedom will be Islam....
I am not sure what lesson I am expected to draw from that.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 11:10 AM (TE35l)
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Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 03:02 PM (b1/nQ)
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The clash of sameness. Leave the bodies and let the flys have them.
Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 11:10 AM (MB7Pi)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 15, 2014 11:10 AM (lttDh)
Posted by: NotCoach at January 15, 2014 11:10 AM (rsudF)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 15, 2014 03:05 PM (IXrOn)
Heh. That website name is available. Would be fun to buy it and then somehow redirect all the sites for all those 'tard groups to it, for some humorous fun.
Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (TM1p8)
Possibly a Lena Dunham sighting?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Hal at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (MftY/)
Posted by: Cicero Kid hablars el spanyo slango at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (tcK++)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (R+XDI)
I'm trying to find a downside, here. Especially Sociology professors.
Say, what about kuffar? Shouldn't have to work with them, either.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 11:13 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 11:13 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 15, 2014 11:13 AM (T2V/1)
http://tinyurl.com/l69lc7x
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2014 11:14 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:14 AM (PYAXX)
Muslim: Check. Women. Check.
According to the most recent Liberal Victimhood Chart*. Muslims are bigger victims than women. So the University is ruling in their favor.
*This may change as need/ideology/current news events shift victim status around. So keep your chart updated!
Posted by: Book at January 15, 2014 11:14 AM (qWES6)
Posted by: maddogg at January 15, 2014 11:14 AM (xWW96)
"And, like, thess studahnt? The univarsetty wants, to, um, like totally accommodate hem?"
Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 15, 2014 11:14 AM (vgIRn)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 11:15 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Brett the Brit at January 15, 2014 11:15 AM (fVqpE)
There was serious talk about doing away with it.
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:16 AM (GQ8sn)
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Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at January 15, 2014 03:14 PM (vgIRn)
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You forgot the "eh" at the end.
Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 11:20 AM (MB7Pi)
She absolutely hates working on group projects, because there is always one or two fuckwits who contribute nothing to the cause...
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 15, 2014 11:21 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 15, 2014 11:21 AM (7ObY1)
"What do I care if he believes something, even if it is a stupid thing?"
And that is the point and one I firmly support. The problem happens when the most irrational, crazy, and zealous demand that the rest of the population go from tolerating them to enabling and celebrating them in their various beliefs.
This makes the society as irrational, crazy, and zealous as the fringe is, and I cannot think that will end well.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Have the HRC Designer Vindictivenous Line Exclusively! at January 15, 2014 11:21 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 15, 2014 11:21 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (b1/nQ)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:23 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Damiano at January 15, 2014 11:23 AM (j0wOO)
It's a like microcosm of the commie philosophy.
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:24 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:24 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: kwai chang caine at January 15, 2014 11:24 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 11:25 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:25 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Cabrito at January 15, 2014 11:25 AM (tcK++)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 11:25 AM (b1/nQ)
"How much of a stake should society have in ensuring, with all its government power and government-supported institutions, that no one ever discovers that someone else in the world doesn't like her?"
How far should society go in accomodating the beliefs of minority groups? How small a minority must you be before your belief is not accomodated? Should your passion for your belief be weighed on whether that belief is to be accomodated? How much accomodation should you be given? Should the offensiveness of your belief to the majority be weighed on whether that belief is to be accomodated?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Have the HRC Designer Vindictivenous Line Exclusively! at January 15, 2014 11:25 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (PYAXX)
Honoring his request would mean that the male student would have a separate, but equal participation in group projects, even if that meant a "group" project with one participant? Yeah, that would burdensome for the instructors and would probably mean less time for the overwhelming majority of the class.
Plus, precedent.
Posted by: mrp at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (lttDh)
Posted by: perturbed at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (TXq4O)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 03:23 PM (zOTsN)
You never watched Kung Fu Theater?
Posted by: Country Singer at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:27 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 15, 2014 11:27 AM (20i9t)
You got an A?
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 03:23 PM (zOTsN)
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Montengnards of Vietnam. Those fuckers were animals. Everyone wanted a few in their unit.
Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 11:27 AM (MB7Pi)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:28 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 11:28 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 03:23 PM (zOTsN)
You never watched Kung Fu Theater?
Posted by: Country Singer at January 15, 2014 03:26 PM (L8r/r)
Those were Shao-lin monks, not Bhuddist monks. Totally different.
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:28 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 11:29 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: TanarUr at January 15, 2014 11:29 AM (Ks7B3)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:29 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 15, 2014 11:29 AM (bb5+k)
The Tibetans used to be the badasses of the Central Asia.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 11:30 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2014 11:30 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 11:30 AM (At8tV)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 11:30 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Professor at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (FcR7P)
>>>didn't realize there were fighting Buddists
That's becoz what generally passes for Buddhism in the USA isn't.
Posted by: Bigby's Tin Cup Holding Hand at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (At8tV)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (RZ8pf)
http://tinyurl.com/yzy7m2m
"Shaolin Monastery or Shaolin Temple is a Chan Buddhist temple on Mount Song..."
Posted by: Country Singer at January 15, 2014 11:32 AM (L8r/r)
Plus, precedent.
Posted by: mrp at January 15, 2014 03:26 PM (HjPtV)
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But, working alone, he'd probably come up with a better plan and/or solutions, and finish it ahead of schedule.
Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 11:32 AM (MB7Pi)
Posted by: MennoniteDude at January 15, 2014 11:32 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 11:32 AM (CJjw5)
http://tinyurl.com/kp9nd5d
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2014 03:06 PM (XUKZU)
Yeah, I read that. Looks like the usual suspects running that show. Whatever you do, don't try logic on them, or history. It won't work. The only thing you can do as an individual is leave the congregation or separate as a group and split off.
I understand the Episcopalians are flush with real estate, now-empty churches and other holdings that have been given up by whole congregations disgusted with the increasingly liberal and non-Biblical direction that denomination has taken. They've lost the Spirit. Their pews are empty and their churches are abandoned and all Episcopalian leadership seems to care about is going with the flow of modern, popular culture. So be it. Let them reap what they sow, etc.
Posted by: troyriser at January 15, 2014 11:32 AM (gNlvW)
Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 11:33 AM (84oau)
Posted by: kwai chang caine at January 15, 2014 11:34 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 11:35 AM (84oau)
What? You didn't make him do your share of the work?
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 11:35 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 03:32 PM (CJjw5)
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Interesting. Are your options limited to those two choices? Is "Catholic" the only religious option?
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 11:35 AM (P6QsQ)
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Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 03:30 PM (At8tV)<
Chief, times like this, I want to fly out there and pop you one. And then never leave.
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 15, 2014 11:36 AM (KjlbF)
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Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 11:37 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: troyriser at January 15, 2014 03:32 PM (gNlvW)
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Yeah. As soon as I saw reference to that article, I thought to myself "Lynn Hybels". Sure enough.......
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 11:37 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 11:37 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 15, 2014 11:37 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 11:37 AM (CJjw5)
Yeah, I've had this problem before, too. The refusal to make eye contact and general annoyance with being approached by a woman.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 11:37 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 15, 2014 11:38 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lauren at January 15, 2014 11:38 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 11:38 AM (MB7Pi)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 11:39 AM (T0NGe)
Because, rape.
Posted by: Fritz at January 15, 2014 11:39 AM (TKFmG)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 03:37 PM (CJjw5)
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OPPRESSION OF THE LUTHERANS !!!!
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 11:39 AM (P6QsQ)
*blink* And management didn't see a problem with that?
I've seen programmers get pretty stern speeches for doing things well short of that.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 15, 2014 11:39 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 11:39 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 11:39 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 11:40 AM (84oau)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 11:40 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 11:41 AM (b1/nQ)
Posted by: backhoe at January 15, 2014 11:41 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 15, 2014 11:41 AM (9eDbm)
Probably. That's what I was getting at with the "less time for the rest of the class" part. On the other hand, it's kind of funny imagining the Muslim-Ontario university sociology class interface, with or without women
Posted by: mrp at January 15, 2014 11:41 AM (HjPtV)
Darn, I was looking for master debaters.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 15, 2014 11:42 AM (wSrLR)
Funny you should mention Episcopalians. The cathedral here in Denver hosted/sponsored a Muslim Imam a few years back (think his name was Kazarooni). He refused to make eye contact or touch any female congregants. Not sure if he's still there - my parents, who were members, left the church shortly after. Figured why should their church contributions pay for this man to inhabit their church and hate them?
Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 11:43 AM (POpqt)
But come quitting time and to the bar? Whoa! Beer guzzling, sweat soaked, shirt tail out... And that was just the women.
Posted by: ChicagoRay at January 15, 2014 11:43 AM (Xv7f/)
This^^^
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2014 11:44 AM (60Q+L)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 11:44 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: TanarUr at January 15, 2014 11:45 AM (Ks7B3)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 15, 2014 11:47 AM (8Fa5Z)
>>"I have empirical evidence indicating that the granting of the accommodation would lead some female members of the class to feel belittled and humiliated," Grayson writes.
You know what? I don't really care if they're butt-hurt or not. Is it a part of the curriculum that *requires* working with women? No? Then accommodate the guy. It shouldn't be that hard. You shuffle a couple of teams around and give him a male-only team. If he were employed somewhere, they would be required to accommodate him (up to a point).
I'm not going to get all outraged over this one. Whether he's a muslim or not is irrelevant. He had a fairly simple request, but got turned down because ... diversity.
Posted by: GWB at January 15, 2014 11:48 AM (kEVTZ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 11:49 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 03:04 PM (GQ8sn)
His real name was Gamil Gharbi, and he was the son of a former nun who married a Tunisian muslim, who beat her and her kid. So he was fucked up from Square One. He may not have been a practicing muslim, but he got the full meal deal of muzzie misogyny from dear old Dad.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2014 12:00 PM (60Q+L)
They are the concubines of Islam.
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 03:05 PM (+cx5n)
It's not just Canadian feminists, zombie. It's "feminists" period. You, of all people, should know that.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2014 12:03 PM (60Q+L)
Yes, but they're mostly in the western provinces, not the big eastern cities.
Posted by: Brown Line at January 15, 2014 12:04 PM (VrNoa)
Use the money saved to enhance the engineering and medical schools. We need engineers and doctors.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2014 12:08 PM (60Q+L)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 12:20 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Beagle at January 15, 2014 12:31 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 12:35 PM (P7hip)
Posted by: JD at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (2cfUo)
Couiple of points: The women ini question are lucky.
Do we know for sure this is a religious issue? Maybe he is jerking the infidel around for kicks, using his religion as an excuse. How high can he make them jump?
Like the cabbies who won't take service dogs. The Brit NHS folks who won't wash with alcohol-based sanitizer.
Posted by: Richard Aubrey at January 15, 2014 03:35 PM (0EYmc)
Game, set, match.
When Ace is on his game, there's just nobody better.
(Note to Dems and Trolls: the word you're looking for is "insight" which is closely related to a concept you've never heard of, called "reality.")
Posted by: WildWillyC at January 16, 2014 01:44 PM (MHDvl)
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