February 18, 2014

CBO: Hiking Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Eliminate 500,000 Jobs
— Ace

On February 4th, the CBO released a report projecting that Obamacare will result in the loss of 2.5 million jobs in the next ten years. Kathleen Sebelius just disputed that, and you should believe her, because she oversaw the Obamacare Website.

Now the CBO says that another one of Obama's policies, hiking the minimum wage by three bucks, will cost the country another half-million jobs.

Oh, and not by 2024, either. By 2016.

Countdown until Nancy Pelosi comes out to tell us, once again, how exciting it is not work at all.


By the way, Mark Murray, who opined a couple of weeks ago that a ten-tour-of-duty disabled veteran's story was really the story of Barack Obama, immediately started firing out his defenses of Obama on this:


Mark Murray is NBC News' Political Director.

Posted by: Ace at 12:22 PM | Comments (287)
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1

The proper headline should be:

 

Hiking the minimum wage to $10.10 would liberate 500,000 people from having to work.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 18, 2014 12:23 PM (AskuI)

2 Squirst!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 12:24 PM (n0DEs)

3 Obama spends years at my alma mater, the University of Chicago, and learns NOTHING about economics. 

Unprecedented!!!

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at February 18, 2014 12:24 PM (7UdJX)

4 Wreckovery Summer/Winter/Spring/and Fall...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at February 18, 2014 12:24 PM (9+ccr)

5 I think they should push it to $20 an hour. WTF, LiB.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at February 18, 2014 12:25 PM (0zXml)

6 Just another half a million relieved of job lock.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 18, 2014 12:25 PM (W7ffl)

7 On February 4th, the CBO released a report projecting that Obamacare will result in the loss gain of 2.5 million jobs Democrats in the next ten years FTFY

Posted by: Aaron Burr [/i] at February 18, 2014 12:25 PM (CnA98)

8 3 million (more) not experiencing "job lock"?

What's not to like?

And, think of all the  many job locks never created due to higher than equilibrium labor rates.   No statistic to measure those.

It's just "Win" all the way down.

Posted by: Aquaviva at February 18, 2014 12:25 PM (wFinq)

9
Work is for losers!

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at February 18, 2014 12:26 PM (nQjHM)

10 At some point I would expect  them to turn around the artificially deflated unemployment numbers, and start pretending they just discovered them, and those are the missing 500K (or million or whatever) jobs they're talking about here. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 12:26 PM (TOk1P)

11 Oh well.

Posted by: NCKate at February 18, 2014 12:26 PM (1FoIf)

12
Make it two shrubbery.  *consults, whispers*  No!  Three!  Three Shrubbery.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 12:26 PM (n0DEs)

13 Or, as YouGuv would say, 71% more people in the work force but priced out of the job market would appreciate it if they were hired.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2014 12:26 PM (m5+rk)

14

Robots and Automation

 

At $10/hr + Obamacare, you will be amazed at how cheap robots are. 

Posted by: rd at February 18, 2014 12:27 PM (D+lxs)

15 "The logical extension of the GOP position on today's CBO report would be to call for lowering the minimum wage --> lots of jobs at $2/hr"

Posted by: Dan Pfeiffer (WH hack and fluffer) at February 18, 2014 12:27 PM (X866z)

16 Once they get this minimum wage hike they'll start working on the living wage....

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at February 18, 2014 12:27 PM (9+ccr)

17 Sounds to me like we need another pivot to jobs.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at February 18, 2014 12:27 PM (0zXml)

18 Countdown until Nancy Pelosi comes out to tell us, once again, how exciting it is not work at all. And, how food stamps creates jobs.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at February 18, 2014 12:28 PM (IXrOn)

19 Greedy racist wingers expecting the poor to work at jobs.  Shame on us.

Posted by: HR at February 18, 2014 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

20 So those who keep their jobs earn more.
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Which they then immediately hand over to their recently-unemployed peers in the form of unemployment benefits.

Good work, Douche.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 18, 2014 12:28 PM (fwARV)

21

15 -

 

Nah, the GOPe will just now discover the wonders of a $9.00 an hour minimum wage! 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 12:28 PM (TOk1P)

22

I'm liberated and free to do whatever comes to mind.  Mostly, that's the ability to hump any liberal I so choose, and promote my political organization, Free the Cooter!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 18, 2014 12:28 PM (nQjHM)

23 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: teej at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (h1gQR)

24 If everyone would quit selfishly looking for work unemployment would drop to 0%.

Posted by: Beagle at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (sOtz/)

25 At some point I would expect them to turn around the artificially deflated unemployment numbers, and start pretending they just discovered them, and those are the missing 500K (or million or whatever) jobs they're talking about here.

January 21, 2021.

Posted by: HR at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (ZKzrr)

26 Quitting is for winners!

Posted by: Demonrat politician at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (kHyGq)

27 $10.10!!!!

Posted by: 9-9-9 at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (MhA4j)

28 If it's 500K federal gummint jobs, I say go for it.

Posted by: --- at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (MMC8r)

29 Nothing gets employers more excited than a 40% increase in the cost of labor.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 18, 2014 12:29 PM (J7sV0)

30 Countdown until Nancy Pelosi comes out to tell us, once again, how "exciting" it is not work at all. ________ C'mon, Ace... We have to pass the bill so we can then read it to find out what's in it. You know this by now.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 18, 2014 12:30 PM (fzHss)

31 When do we fire on Fort Sumter?
Or whatever is going to be our equivalent....

Posted by: Paladin at February 18, 2014 12:30 PM (E1aoU)

32 FREEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!

Posted by: 500,000 Employees at February 18, 2014 12:30 PM (fWAjv)

33 So is this really about helping people in minimum wage jobs, or is it about "nudging" businesses that need a lot of low-wage employees into hiring them illegally, under the table (i.e. to help necessitate immigration reform/amnesty)?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 12:30 PM (POpqt)

34 501,000 amnestied illegals will wash those angry voters out

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at February 18, 2014 12:30 PM (IXrOn)

35 Countdown until Nancy Pelosi comes out to tell us, once again, how "exciting" it is not work at all. **** That reminds me supposedly Krugman wrote a column saying that this is a good thing: The CBO report said the health care law will cause Americans to cut their work hours, equating to 2 million fewer jobs in 2017. That number is predicted to eventually rise to the equivalent of 2.5 million jobs in 2024. I'm not an economist--I have no idea how that can be a good thing.

Posted by: taker at February 18, 2014 12:31 PM (RJMhd)

36

This is a real story, from NPR today, in CT:

 

"The committee will consider a bill that would impose fines on big companies that don't pay their workers what's being termed a standard wage -- the median for that occupation. "

 

I wonder if they know what the word median means? 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 18, 2014 12:31 PM (A0sHn)

37 But not working is good, so 500K more people not working is also good. Right?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

38 And that's why this Nobel Laureate is calling for the minimum wage to be set to one trillion dollars. I mean you'd only need to work an hour and you could retire! And we could just print as many of those trillion dollar coins as we needed.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at February 18, 2014 12:31 PM (M3hAT)

39 If you think information of this type will have the slightest effect you haven't been paying attention. The media-political complex controls this country now. Next up (if Obama leaves) will be Hillary. And there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 18, 2014 12:31 PM (1Y+hH)

40
America has nothing to fear with a few million lay-about's writing poetry, painting landscape, and fulfilling their childhood dreams of becoming members of Pee Wee's Playhouse Brigade.

Posted by: Nan Pelosi at February 18, 2014 12:32 PM (nQjHM)

41 I wonder if they know what the word median means? ___ Ah, its like, uh, average...right?

Posted by: Some LIV Senator at February 18, 2014 12:32 PM (M3hAT)

42 Why only $10.10 an hour? Why not $11? Or $15? Or hell, $1500? Then everyone will be a millionaire.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 12:32 PM (0LHZx)

43

Why stop at $10.10?

 

We should offer an amendment for $25.00 / hr. OR $100 /hr

Posted by: rd at February 18, 2014 12:32 PM (D+lxs)

44 Who needs a job? We can give you everything you want.

Posted by: Big Gov at February 18, 2014 12:32 PM (CNua6)

45
What?  Mark Murray all of a sudden is skeptical of the CBO which he celebrates as exact on the money when considering obamacare would not add to the deficit.   Typical obamite.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (n0DEs)

46 Really, what is their end game?
We know it's not about helping people, so is it about making the cost of starting/running a small business too high?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (POpqt)

47 Mark Murray is NBC News' Political Director Fluffer. FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (yz6yg)

48 Or not

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (yz6yg)

49 What's next, a study by the CBO to determine the wetness of water?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (T0NGe)

50 500,000 less taxpayers

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun Worshipper at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (IXrOn)

51 Always easy to push tax increases, minimum wage increases. Because it is someone else's money.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 18, 2014 12:33 PM (HVff2)

52

Rush had a caller today who said the stimulus wasn't big enough, and the  problem was that Republicans didn't have a hand in deciding  where to find all those shovel-ready jobs.

 

Rush asked him if twice the size would have been better, and the guy just sorta said yeah, twice or more. 

 

Rush is way more patient than I.  He said something  more kindly and  constructive, then concluded the call.   Seriously,  the so-called "right" has its share of astrology believers too. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 12:34 PM (TOk1P)

53 Nah, the GOPe will just now discover the wonders of a $9.00 an hour minimum wage! ___ Compromise and civility are the watchwords of our esteemed political body my friends, and that is why I am calling for a pragmatic increase in the minimum wage to $10.09.

Posted by: John McCain at February 18, 2014 12:34 PM (M3hAT)

54 Boy, that Mark Murray has got a mind like a steel trap.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 12:34 PM (Hx5uv)

55 Add this to Norm Ornstein's $1000/baby for the fuck of it proposal and let the Prosperity roll!

Posted by: Aquaviva at February 18, 2014 12:34 PM (wFinq)

56 I'm trying to think of the last thing the CBO scored that resulted in net job growth. Maybe the stimulus?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 12:34 PM (VtjlW)

57 Actually, I am starting to wonder if these people actually believe this shit. I'm starting to think they do.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:34 PM (yz6yg)

58 We might see a Sarajevo moment before we see a Ft Sumter moment. Teh JEF is such a fuck up that something calamitous is bound to happen overseas first.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (32Ze2)

59 Really simple to counter - ask them why it is only raised to $10.10. I've seen it asked and they never have a coherent answer to it. But the GOP will negotiate for $6.60 per half hour.

Posted by: RWC at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (fWAjv)

60 I've always wondered why minimum wage hikes were not to round numbers? Is that because they're harder to remember and they seem more random? As if it would be perfectly natural to raise them?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (T0NGe)

61 CBO is the Voice of God. Unless they criticize Obama.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (ZPrif)

62 Old and busted: Winners never quit and quitters never win New hotness: Quitters always win and winners always quit

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (Hx5uv)

63

The Dems just want to grow the stripper mom and crack whore coalition.

Posted by: eleven at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (fsLdt)

64 What's next, a study by the CBO to determine the wetness of water? Rest assured that it will be a very elegant Gaussian analysis. To at least 13 decimal places.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:35 PM (yz6yg)

65

500,000 less taxpayers

 

 

500, fewer taxpayers. 

Posted by: that dick who gets all grammatical at February 18, 2014 12:36 PM (A0sHn)

66
The Rush caller sounded like a frustrated liberal pretending to be conservative, but wasn't called on his deceit.  Rush simply made an ass of the dweeb by citing ridiculous word and number associations that had nothing to do with anything. 

Posted by: Doctor Fish at February 18, 2014 12:36 PM (nQjHM)

67 Really, what is their end game? *** Chaos. Crash the economy. Blame the Troskyites, err Jews, err conservatives. Move America formally to a technocracy with only nominal political representation. Of course then will come the *mandated* jobs for the FSA...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 12:36 PM (M3hAT)

68 If you take CBO job estimates as gospel, then you know "Gang of 8" immig bill expands workforce by 6M by 2023 http://www.cbo.gov/publication/44346 Â… ********* They are at war with the CBO now.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 12:36 PM (RJMhd)

69 Excellent... all is going according to plan.

Posted by: CLoward and Piven at February 18, 2014 12:37 PM (25HWz)

70 Wait, didn't the CBO also say that Obamacare would not increase costs?
And their excuse was that they were only making their determination based on the numbers provided to them (i.e. garbage in, garbage out)? I don't see why I should trust that their 500,000 number is anything other than a SWAG.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 12:37 PM (POpqt)

71 The Dems just want to grow the stripper mom and crack whore coalition. Note to self: Invest in property in Nevada.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:37 PM (yz6yg)

72
$101.00 per hour minimum wage would be 10, TEN!, times better.



(I wonder how that fully automated burger joint is coming along.)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 12:37 PM (n0DEs)

73 Obama is the disease masquerading as the cure. The Left is the walking embodiment of Münchausen syndrome by proxy. How can they cure us if they first don't poison us? How can they free us if they first don't enslave us?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:38 PM (ZPrif)

74 A government big enough to give you everything you want is just that Sing it with me...

Posted by: CNBC at February 18, 2014 12:38 PM (wsLRF)

75 52 Rush is way more patient than I. He said something more kindly and constructive, then concluded the call. Seriously, the so-called "right" has its share of astrology believers too. Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 04:34 PM (TOk1P) Um, no. If you had listened to the entire sequence, Rush came back and said his response to the caller was gibberish. TRANSCRIPT EXCERPT FROM TODAY'S SHOW: " All right. Now, folks, the comments that I made to our last caller about Argentina when I was agreeing with him, I made it up. I don't even know what I said. I was just speaking in kind to the guy. I was throwing out terms that don't even go together. There is no PE ratio with the cash outflow measured against the inflow of what's happening with the outflows in the markets of Argentina. I made it up to illustrate a point. Isn't it interesting, when Ronald Reagan was president, or George W. Bush, all they talked about was the actual numbers, the deficit is $300 billion, 300 trillion. Now all of a sudden when it's Obama we talk about the percentage of debt compared to GDP. Gobbledygook. The share of debt percentage-wise of GDP is not plummeting rapidly. It's absurd! The US national debt -- are you ready -- the US national debt is 73% of the Gross Domestic Product. I don't care what the deficit is every year. The deficit is simply an annual deficit that gets added to the national debt which is the sum total of all deficits. We are not growing. The debt is growing. We do not have GDP growth. One percent, two percent, it's nothing. The private sector is shrinking! It's being torn apart. The private sector's being taken over by the Obama regime. Twenty percent of it, gone. They now took health care away or are in the process of it. Twenty percent of the US economy has just been transferred to Obama. The US national debt is about 73% of gross domestic product. This from the CBO last Tuesday. Seventy-three percent of the GDP is the national debt. The percentage of debt is higher than any point since World War II. Twice the percentage it was at the end of 2007. The percentage of debt is not going down. It's skyrocketing, and precisely because of taking on new debt like the stimulus, for which we got zilch. But it was not possible to get anything but zilch from the stimulus. The only way, I'm gonna 'splain this again. It's not hard and I don't mean to sound condescending, it's just frustrating. They take simple stuff and make it so complicated that people can't understand it so they don't try and they just: "I don't want to hear about it, I don't want to hear about it. I know it's bad." If we had a trillion dollars somewhere that we didn't have to pay for, that we didn't have to take from somewhere else, if we had a trillion dollars laying around that we could put in a syringe and inject it into the economy, then that would definitely be a stimulus. But there's a problem. We don't have a trillion dollars anywhere. We are in debt $17 trillion. Even if we borrow a trillion dollars, even if it is at zero percent, the long-term interest rates are not zero percent. We can't borrow money and not pay it back. We're not going to be able to borrow money from anybody at zero. "

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 12:38 PM (olDqf)

76 I stand in awe of the brilliance of the left, their messianic leader and his legions of sycophants.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 18, 2014 12:38 PM (ETCgz)

77 C ock
B locking
O bama

Posted by: CBO's min wage raise #'s at February 18, 2014 12:38 PM (kHyGq)

78 What everybody should find most disturbing is that people in California have chosen year after year to elect that incoherent douche.

Which means there are people actually dumber than Nancy Pelosi who vote. Thin about that for a second.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (GGCsk)

79 Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this wage hike just raise the wages of everyone else working for the Fed?  Don't they base the wages on the minimum wage and go from there?  In essence, everyone  working for the Fed is getting a huge raise.

Posted by: Infidel at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (Z1SI2)

80 The Dems just want to grow the stripper mom and crack whore coalition. There will always be opportunities for buxom young women to intern at the Bill Clinton Presidential Library and Massage Parlor. You bring the strong right hand ladies and I'll bring the cigars.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (M3hAT)

81 (I wonder how that fully automated burger joint is coming along.) Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 04:37 PM (n0DEs) Touchscreens of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your extension cords!

Posted by: Karl!!!!eleventy!!! Marx, world at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (T0NGe)

82 But it's okay because they were shitty jobs, anyway.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (rLVhf)

83

500,000 less taxpayers


500, fewer taxpayers.

 

Hah haaaahh.....

 

/Nelson Muntz

 

 

 

Posted by: eleven at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (fsLdt)

84 And I like how they settled on 10.10 not 10 or 10.50 or some obvious number. 10.10 is a 39.310344 percent increase over the current 7.25. I guess they think people will believe a great deal of thought went into coming up with the number.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (RMg6O)

85 >>Old and busted: Winners never quit and quitters never win


New hotness: Wreckers never win, moochers never lose. Or something.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (POpqt)

86 Actually, I am starting to wonder if these people actually believe this shit.

It's all hand-wavey nonsense.  I had a coworker tell me he knew the answer to our debt problem.  Tax churches!  That'll make up the deficit and then some, we'll pay off the debt in no time.

Then we looked up some numbers and found out that if churches paid taxes we'd be many many billions short of being deficit neutral. 

Oh, well we should still do that.

 No cost/benefit analysis, no ruminations on the false claim before data analysis, just oh, well it's still a good idea.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (A0glY)

87 The most depressing part of all of this is that these assholes were not immediately laughed at and ridiculed by the mainstream when they had the balls to suggest that people were being "liberated" from "job lock." That so many people have actually taken to defending that, ahem, interpretation of the data says to me that we are very far gone.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at February 18, 2014 12:39 PM (qFpRI)

88 Hey!!! More Medicaid coverage!!! WIN!!! Some. Nitwit. Will. Say. This.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (659DL)

89 Forgot to finish my Bourgeoisie sock.

Posted by: Karl!!!!eleventy!!! Marx, world's first Internet troll at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (T0NGe)

90
C ontrived
B ullshit
O fferings

Posted by: CBO's typical reports at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (kHyGq)

91 Bannion, any interest in doing a mini meet up at the Chris Plante event on 2/27  they're pushing on WMAL?  We just colonize a table with an Ace of Spades card and schmooze off of their drink specials.  I believe you have the most recent local mailing list.

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (4JkHl)

92 How can they cure us if they first don't poison us?
How can they free us if they first don't enslave us?
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This is excellent material....

Posted by: George Orwell, re-animated by spinning in the grave at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (25HWz)

93 What will they declare is a "job" next? Walking to the corner store?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Barcelona 2 Man.City 0 at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (IXrOn)

94 >>Which means there are people actually dumber than Nancy Pelosi who vote. Thin about that for a second.<<

Sorry, it should be "think". I was, in poor humor, attempting my best East-side LA accent.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (GGCsk)

95 There's an old saying, "Be careful what you wish for. You might get it."

The GOP should give liberals what liberals claim they wish for. Big honking doses of it. Except, carefully time limited.

Obama says the country needs a higher minimum wage? Pick one of the crazier numbers from Obama's various cryptosocialist allies. SEIU are talking up $15/hr nationally. OK, go with that, because for Obama to say no would be damaging to the Democratic coalition internally.

So a $15/hr MW, to take immediate effect, but also to sunset in, say, January of 2017, when Obama's second term ends. (Just as the "Bush tax cuts" had a preprogrammed expiration date.)

Let Pelosi's Democrats in the House pass it with all House Republicans deliberately abstaining. Likewise for the Senate. Make clear it's all on the Democrats and that the GOP are neither supporting nor opposing the move.

Then stand back and watch the total economic chaos.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (gqT4g)

96

I definitely think that the woman at Tim Horton's who asked me to repeat my order three times because she couldn't bother to pay attention to the words my lips were forming ... and the other woman there who gave my order to the wrong person and turned a quick stop into a 20 minute hassle ... deserve a higher minimum wage.

 

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 12:40 PM (HzhBE)

97 If we don't hike the minimum wage, then how will we lure more illegal immigrants across the border so they can be bribed to vote Democrat in 2016? How?????

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (+cx5n)

98 Communism Begets Oblivion

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (olDqf)

99 And I like how they settled on 10.10 not 10 or 10.50 or some obvious number. - How about $6.66?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (Hx5uv)

100 Posted by: bonhomme at February 18, 2014 04:39 PM (A0glY) The lunchroom CEO. The guy can run the world if you would just listen to his brilliant ideas.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (T0NGe)

101 60 I've always wondered why minimum wage hikes were not to round numbers? Is that because they're harder to remember and they seem more random? As if it would be perfectly natural to raise them? Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 04:35 PM (T0NGe) ************ Seriously--no joke--Obama went off the written speech during the last State of the Union and said-- it is $10.10 because it is easier to remember.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (RJMhd)

102 I think that Feral Gubmint Workers salaries are pegged to the minimum wage. That 39% increase will translate into some hefty wage hikes for them.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (32Ze2)

103 WA state is raising it to $12 an hour.

Fuck I hate this state some days.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 12:42 PM (0LHZx)

104 Bannion, any interest in doing a mini meet up at the Chris Plante event on 2/27 they're pushing on WMAL? We just colonize a table with an Ace of Spades card and schmooze off of their drink specials. I believe you have the most recent local mailing list. Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 04:40 PM (4JkHl) Out of town (Boston) that Thursday. Won't be back until 10. But I'll send you the locals list.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:42 PM (yz6yg)

105 Obama is the disease masquerading as the cure. It's like laudanum. Doesn't actually help the problem, you just don't feel it...and by the way, you're an addict now.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Applied Phrenologist at February 18, 2014 12:42 PM (naUcP)

106 You know, even when this mess got started under FDR, people still understood the value of work, and how it gave them a sense of pride and self-sufficiency. Also, living on the dole back then was considered shameful.  The populace wanted a government that would help them in times of need, but the goal was to get off assistance as soon as possible, because there was a stigma attached to it.

It was FDR himself who warned that too much government assistance could be a narcotic.

I don't give a damn what Pelosi says, nothing good can come out of sitting on the couch watching TV all week during regular working hours.


Posted by: Mike at February 18, 2014 12:42 PM (r/L31)

107 I guess they think people will believe a great deal of thought went into coming up with the number. ___ Hey Reggie pick a number between 9 and a brazillion. Uh...how about 10.10...its like you and either together man. Cute and brilliant...this is why I keep you around, now try on these speedos, I got them especially for you.

Posted by: Barky and Reggie working things out at February 18, 2014 12:42 PM (M3hAT)

108 Both of my jobs would disappear from under me. 

The mimimum wage will only apply to citizens who sell their labor.  If the "We swear this is not amnesty" immigration reform goes through the illegals (or whatever we are supposed to call them at that point) will be immune to the restrictions that the government puts on my labor.  They can ignore insurance and minimum wage requirements and i cannot blame my former employers for hiring them when it becomes legal.  I'd absolutely work for $5 an hour now if that's what it takes to feed my cats.




Posted by: Storm Saxon's Gall Bladder at February 18, 2014 12:42 PM (9O5Pr)

109 Not to derail the subject at hand, but I am shocked, SHOCKED that this hasn't been mentioned here yet:

http://bit.ly/1nKJBsl

All of Art & Science Has Culminated in Kate Upton's Zero-G Bikini Shoot

Posted by: Emperor Norton II at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (MlqTY)

110 That should be 500,000 Yobs.

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (r1ETs)

111 >>Tax churches! That'll make up the deficit and then some, we'll pay off the debt in no time.

Bill Whittle has a video where he illustrates how if we *confiscated* the wealth of the 1% (or all of the rich) it would pay for less than 2 mos. of the federal government's expenses.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (POpqt)

112 I definitely think that the woman at Tim Horton's who asked me to repeat my order three times because she couldn't bother to pay attention to the words my lips were forming ... and the other woman there who gave my order to the wrong person and turned a quick stop into a 20 minute hassle ... deserve a higher minimum wage. Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 04:40 PM (HzhBE) Damn right sweetie.

Posted by: Your Local Tim Horton's Mouth-Breather [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (yz6yg)

113 95 Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2014 04:40 PM (gqT4g) The infuriating thing is we don't have to give any damned thing they want. We need conservatives to give the people what Ronald Reagan gave us for 8 years. It gave us the greatest period of sustained growth - 25 years - the country and the world has ever seen. Even in the teeth of the march of the progressive left and country club GOP. Now, with our own oil via tracking and a concerted effort to try and roll back the regulatory state, can you imagine what conservatives can do if unleashed? Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (olDqf)

114 Then stand back and watch the total economic chaos. Posted by: torquewrench Two problems with your plan: 1. The overall global economy is so complicated and with so many factors, you can always find a study or academic who will blame the chaos on something else entirely; 2. The media is controlled by progressives, so they will trumpet these alternative explanations (i.e. "It's capitalism's fault") until they become unquestioned common wisdom. End result: They win, we lose. As usual.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (+cx5n)

115 I definitely think that the woman at Tim Horton's who asked me to repeat my order three times because she couldn't bother to pay attention to the words my lips were forming ... and the other woman there who gave my order to the wrong person and turned a quick stop into a 20 minute hassle ... deserve a higher minimum wage. - They're like teachers. Pay them more and they automatically get better.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (Hx5uv)

116 Meanwhile in the Ukraine: http://espreso.tv/stream THUNDERDOME!

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (A1Dcl)

117 >>
Out of town (Boston) that Thursday. Won't be back until 10.

But I'll send you the locals list.<<

We basically live at the Capital Grill on Pennsylvania when in DC. I tink they want to charge us rent.

We should do a full meetup there...

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (GGCsk)

118 The annoying thing is that every time more government involvement in the economy is shown to make things worse, the left always counters by saying "we just needed more government". They are already spinning the Obamacare disaster that way, saying it failed because it wasn't single-payer government healthcare. They'll say it wasn't the min wage hike that eliminated jobs, it was the evil companies that voluntarily eliminated jobs, and if we only had more control on the companies it would all work out magic.

Posted by: Roadrunner at February 18, 2014 12:44 PM (xMSfj)

119 This is great, now I has time to be a poet!

Violets is blue, roses be red.
Ain't ate in a week, I wish I was dead.

Posted by: Some Guy at February 18, 2014 12:44 PM (pgQxn)

120 Because fewer workers will totally help state budgets.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 18, 2014 12:44 PM (WdbF7)

121 The Left's response to this is to look at the hiring and personnel policies at the CBO -- and the change them to make sure the "non-partisan" economists and statisticians at the CBO are replaced with reliable leftists. The March Through The Institutions is not yet complete.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

122 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 12:44 PM (PYAXX)

123 "WA state is raising it to $12 an hour."

PGiS has noted that her local authorities in Seattle, including the openly socialist member of the city council, are pushing for $15/hr there at the municipal level.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2014 12:45 PM (gqT4g)

124 We basically live at the Capital Grill on Pennsylvania when in DC. I tink they want to charge us rent. We should do a full meetup there... Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 04:43 PM (GGCsk) That would not fly with the "I'm Staggeringly Cheap" segment of the Moron Nation.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:45 PM (yz6yg)

125 Bannion, link  http://tinyurl.com/mbyaqfn

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 12:45 PM (4JkHl)

126 Food Stamps for all my Funemployed Peoples!

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at February 18, 2014 12:46 PM (3MDkM)

127 How's those grindstones working out for you, bourgeoisie scum?

Posted by: V.I. Lenin at February 18, 2014 12:46 PM (DErq5)

128 50 500,000 less taxpayers Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Sun More like 500,000 leaches sucking up earned income credits. Ahhh, this place (USA) just keeps getting loonier.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 18, 2014 12:46 PM (HVff2)

129 Wouldn't your lives be better if everyone worked for the Government and the Government provided everything?

Posted by: Big Gov at February 18, 2014 12:46 PM (CNua6)

130 109 Not to derail the subject at hand, but I am shocked, SHOCKED that this hasn't been mentioned here yet: http://bit.ly/1nKJBsl All of Art Science Has Culminated in Kate Upton's Zero-G Bikini Shoot Posted by: Emperor Norton II That's Flaming SKull material right there! Paging Ace!

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 12:46 PM (+cx5n)

131

75 -

 

Actually I did miss that part, but that's not what I meant.  Yeah, they were talking  about Argentina or whatever, and it was at that point I was wondering why Rush was humoring the guy.

 

It was right before he hung up, when Rush led him into it, he said something like "do you want to  know what I would  have done with the stimulus?"

 

And then proceeded to say there would  have been no stimulus,  except to provide all the opportunities for private businesses to thrive, then get government out of the way, etc. 

 

I  think the guy  genuinely believed there was a better, Republican way to do the stimulus. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 12:47 PM (TOk1P)

132 Jean, keep me in mind. I'd go to one of those in a heartbeat if I'm in town. Just can't do that one.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:48 PM (yz6yg)

133 Truth: American wages are stagnant and have been increasingly so for over 30 years.  I'm all for a wage supplement that increases the overall hourly wage to $12.00, paid by the government, that's funded exclusively from of a confiscatory tax collected from corporations that outsource employment overseas and/or whose workforce contains more than 1% HB-1 visa holders.

If you deported illegals (or just made it difficult to employ them), reduced legal immigration, and imposed tariffs wages would increase on their own, in a manner that businesses could bear.  However, at the very minimum this would require a constitutional amendment barring corporate campaign contributions.  Republicans are as much--if not more--responsible for the decline of the American worker as anybody.


Posted by: Links at February 18, 2014 12:48 PM (RgIRJ)

134 By the way, Mark Murray, who opined a couple of weeks ago that a ten-tour-of-duty disabled veteran's story was really the story of Barack Obama, immediately started firing out his defenses of Obama on this: That's not even a defense. Expanding the workforce while losing jobs is a bad thing. In effect, that would be like losing 9 million jobs (6 million new workers added to the labor pool AND 3 million fewer jobs). How is that good? How is that a "defense?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 12:48 PM (PYAXX)

135 I'm game for any DC/Balmer meetups since I'm here at MHBE most of my current existence.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at February 18, 2014 12:48 PM (0zXml)

136 who is to say that if there were no minimum wage that wages would not be higher in some cases today? Just like labor unions, who says that the day of a minimum wage has not passed. Let the marketplace play out.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 12:49 PM (t3UFN)

137


 

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 04:38 PM (olDqf)

 

 

Silly man, we'll just use a little inflation.  Pretty soon $17 Trillion is just pocket change. 

Posted by: J Peron, Weimar Chair of the Zimbabwe School of Economics at February 18, 2014 12:49 PM (D+lxs)

138 Jobs.

Minorities.

Who cares when the democrat steamroller comes through? 

Crush everyone.

Silliness.

Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 12:49 PM (x3YFz)

139 "The logical extension of the GOP position on today's CBO report would be to call for lowering the minimum wage --> lots of jobs at $2/hr" He's sort of right. The logical extension is to have no national minimum wage at all. Sure, there would be a lot of $2/hr jobs, but no one taking them.

Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 12:49 PM (QupBk)

140 103 WA state is raising it to $12 an hour. Fuck I hate this state some days. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 04:42 PM (0LHZx) This is an urban attack on the non-urban. In many urban areas, the cost of living is higher and so the market wage is also higher. This makes living outside of the big city much harder. It's also why they want a national minimum wage. It keeps the southern flight from happening.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 12:49 PM (T0NGe)

141 So you all went over here and didn't tell me?

Pfft...no cookies for any of you.

Posted by: DangerGirl at February 18, 2014 12:50 PM (GrtrJ)

142

I think Meryl Davis is   pretty   in a weird way.  There I said it.

 

And this wage thing....crazy.

Posted by: eleven at February 18, 2014 12:50 PM (fsLdt)

143 Truth: American wages are stagnant and have been increasingly so for over 30 years. I'm all for a wage supplement that increases the overall hourly wage to $12.00, paid by the government, that's funded exclusively from of a confiscatory tax collected from corporations that outsource employment overseas and/or whose workforce contains more than 1% HB-1 visa holders. *ahem* Hope you're not enjoying our low prices too much.

Posted by: Wal-Mart [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:50 PM (yz6yg)

144 If giving people money is stimulative, why not just give everyone a million bucks. Just imagine the finger painting artists who'd find themselves suddenly liberated.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 18, 2014 12:50 PM (TCmPs)

145

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

How can you do anything but laugh at these fools.  Did pajama boy come up with their latest catch phrase fucking idiot talking point "job lock".

 

I mean, come on, they're fucking lunatics.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 12:51 PM (tVTLU)

146 Hey, fun! WaPost reports on the national license plate tracing system! Blogs of War ‏@BlogsofWar 53m Homeland Security is seeking a national license plate tracking system http://goo.gl/VZNfMJ

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:51 PM (ZPrif)

147 Hi Links.  Wanna support some of those assertions with *ahem* some links?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 12:51 PM (4QSOR)

148 500,000 less taxpayers = 500,000 more (D)ependent voters. That's the plan. Since when have the Dems ever really been about helping people out or fairness? It's about appearances and dependency which leads to control.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at February 18, 2014 12:51 PM (A1Dcl)

149 Sean, sometimes you gotta pay to play

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 12:51 PM (4JkHl)

150 rdbrewer retweeted this: Just Karl @justkarl .@mmurraypolitics and CBO said Gang of 8 bill would depress wages for low-income workers through 2024. What's your point, if any?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 12:52 PM (T0NGe)

151 139 "The logical extension of the GOP position on today's CBO report would be to call for lowering the minimum wage --> lots of jobs at $2/hr" He's sort of right. The logical extension is to have no national minimum wage at all. Sure, there would be a lot of $2/hr jobs, but no one taking them. Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 04:49 PM (QupBk) ----- Except the new illegal immigrants who miss the amnesty boat, but are enjoying the perks of the enforcement measures or lack there off.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at February 18, 2014 12:52 PM (OPg+h)

152 WaPo: The Department of Homeland Security wants access to a national license plate tracking system that would gather information from commercial and law enforcement license plate readers, which scan the tag of every vehicle crossing their paths. The “national license plate recognition database service,” to be operated by a private company, would help catch fugitive aliens, according to a DHS solicitation that lays out certain specifications for the proposed system. But the database could easily contain more than 1 billion records and may be shared with other law enforcement agencies, raising concerns that the movements of ordinary citizens who are under no criminal suspicion also could be scrutinized.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:52 PM (ZPrif)

153 Let Pelosi's Democrats in the House pass it with all House Republicans deliberately abstaining. Likewise for the Senate. Make clear it's all on the Democrats and that the GOP are neither supporting nor opposing the move.
Then stand back and watch the total economic chaos.
That's what "LIB" was originally supposed to be about.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 18, 2014 12:52 PM (14um2)

154 OT:  Final Horde Morale patch.  Velcro backing for wear outside the wire.

Find me in irc:

irc.webchat.org
/join #Horde  After 1600 local and I'll share ordering info there.

Is it a pain in the ass to get to irc? maybe. But Horde patches are for the Horde, not for ****ies.

Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 12:53 PM (x3YFz)

155 Give them spoons.

Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 12:53 PM (QupBk)

156 Hi Links. Wanna support some of those assertions with *ahem* some links? No thanks, man. Evidence be hard. Economics too. Involuntary breathing too...

Posted by: Linx [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:53 PM (yz6yg)

157 Found it. It starts at the 35 minute mark. Obama SOTU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hed1nP9X7pI (he goes off script and you cannot find it at most transcripts--at least I haven't been able to.)

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 12:53 PM (RJMhd)

158 Over at PJ Tatler, this tasty morsel: "White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' ' You. Are. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 12:53 PM (olDqf)

159

Raising the minimum wage has nothing to do with walmart greeters nor burger flippers.

Union wage scales are all tied to the minimum wage.

It's all a big dick suck for the unions.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 18, 2014 12:53 PM (QM5S2)

160 #140 "This makes living outside of the big city much harder. It's also why they want a national minimum wage. It keeps the southern flight from happening." Still would happen. The cost of living will always be higher in places with greater regulatory friction, corruption, bloated government bureaucracy, and profligate welfare spending

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at February 18, 2014 12:54 PM (A1Dcl)

161 Underlying truth no one wants to admit: Some workers, let's just face it, don't produce $10 worth of value every hour. If you mandate a minimum hourly wage rate, you are inevitably rendering certain positions and certain people as economically unsustainable. Result: those jobs will not be filled, and will disappear, and those people will not become employed, and will go on welfare. Which, of course, is the goal. Cloward-Piven FTW!

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 12:54 PM (+cx5n)

162 Sean, sometimes you gotta pay to play Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 04:51 PM (4JkHl) Dude, I had people NOT come to NoVaMoMee I because the cost for the food was $20. Srsly.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:54 PM (yz6yg)

163 You. Are. Fucking. Kidding. Me. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 04:53 PM (olDqf) I think at some point, you've made enough money. Not me, of course. YOU.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 12:55 PM (yz6yg)

164 Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 04:53 PM (x3YFz) 2 things- 1- do you have a link for the final design and I just missed it? 2- It has nothing to do with irc being a PITA, but with the fact my realtor is coming over tonight (unless he cancels again- he was sick last week) and I'll be dealing with house stuff.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 12:55 PM (PYAXX)

165 WaPo: ICE last week issued a notice seeking bids from companies to compile the database from a variety of sources, including law enforcement agencies and car-repossession services. Agents would be able to use a smartphone to snap pictures of license plates that can be compared against a “hot list” of plates in a database. They would have 24-hour, seven-day-a-week access, according to the solicitation, which was first noted last week by independent bloggers. “The government would prefer a close-up of the plate and a zoomed-out image of the vehicle,” the document said. The images would go in a case file report that would also include maps and registration information, as well as car make and model.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:55 PM (ZPrif)

166

You know what's funny? My wife and I shop at Kroger where the prices (and I presume wages) are higher because the service is so good. Everyone in that store knows us and our kids.

I don't shop at WalMart because I hate the experience. I'll pay an extra $5-$10 a week to avoid the extra stress and resulting RAGE that come from shopping at an understaffed store where customer service is non-existent.

If these dicks would just leave things alone, wages would sort themselves out.

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 12:55 PM (HzhBE)

167 133 Truth: American wages are stagnant and have been increasingly so for over 30 years.

_______


30 years ago (1984) median income adjusted for today's dollars was $47K and change. Today it's $52K and change.

In the 20 years between 1964 and 1984 the median income( also hedl constant for today's dollars) went from $43K to $47K.

So while the past 30 years has been stagnant, the preceding 20 years were pretty stagnant as well.

That's just how incomes move....very very slowly upwards. And they bounce up and down. It was $56K in 1999. Then dropped post 9/11 and .com bomb. Then went back to $55K in 2007. Then dropped again.

But the 50 year trend has been a slow and steady rise.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 12:56 PM (0LHZx)

168 Our communist seattle city council member is pushing very hard for a 15 dollar minimum wage. She is agitating the usual suspects. Lots of nice professionally printed signs and paid protesters marching in "solidarity". Sadly, she is an economist and yet believes that raising minimum wage to $15 will have no downside for businesses who are just being selfish bastards for not paying that much.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 18, 2014 12:56 PM (TyvCt)

169 Do you know where very few people make less than $10.10 an hour. These new oil fields and the surrounding towns. Which also would be true during construction of the Keystone pipeline. But Obama doesn't seem to like those jobs since he's doing everything in his power to kill them.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 18, 2014 12:56 PM (tf9Ne)

170 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 04:53 PM (olDqf) You know... I'm pretty sure to be any more economically illiterate, they'd have to *try*.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 12:56 PM (PYAXX)

171 Just give it up, give the two year old tyrant the fucking cookie. What harm will one cookie do to the kid? Maybe we'll get some peace and quiet for the rest of the day.

Posted by: The View From the Porch at February 18, 2014 12:57 PM (kxqfy)

172 WaPo: Across the country, local police as well as commercial companies are gathering license plate data using various means. One common method involves drivers for repossession companies methodically driving up and down streets with cameras mounted on their cars snapping photos of vehicles. Some police forces have cameras mounted on patrol cars. Other images may be retrieved from border crossings, interstate highway on-ramps and toll booth plazas. “The technology in use today basically replaces an old analog function — your eyeballs,” said Chris Metaxas, chief executive officer of DRN, a subsidiary of Vigilant Solutions, which operates one of the largest warehouses of license plate data in the country. “It’s the same thing as a guy holding his head out the window, looking down the block and writing license plate numbers down and comparing them against a list. The technology just makes things better and more productive.”

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 12:57 PM (ZPrif)

173

Let's just jack the minimum wage to $100/hr.

 

Why not?  And give everyone a unicorn.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 12:57 PM (tVTLU)

174 Flatbush Joe, I see a great market for trailer hitches and bike racks.  Pro tip:  The automated readers have a difficult time reading through solid stuff - the covers and sprays - not so much.

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 12:57 PM (4JkHl)

175

"White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' '


You. Are. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

 

Chill, dude. Profit is theft.

Posted by: Marxisty Marxian Marxists at February 18, 2014 12:58 PM (A0sHn)

176 I think not having a job is a feature not a bug for the Obama administration no matter what they say. As long as the "rulers: have their jobs and their kin are provided for they don't really care if million of others don't have jobs. People on the dole are easier to control.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2014 12:58 PM (XyM/Y)

177 Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 18, 2014 04:56 PM (TyvCt)

_________

Did you hear the good news? The $12 state wide raise is on the way!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 12:59 PM (0LHZx)

178 >>>"White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' '<<<



They didn't build that.

Posted by: SCOAMT at February 18, 2014 12:59 PM (kHyGq)

179 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 18, 2014 04:53 PM (olDqf) And remember- the economy is a zero-sum game. If the employer is making profits (over and above enough needed to live, they said piously), it's because they're not paying their employees enough.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 12:59 PM (PYAXX)

180 I would be interested to see a study of the wage point that flipped a job or industry to automation. 

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 12:59 PM (4JkHl)

181 OT final design:

http://greyttimes.com/?p=801

Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 12:59 PM (x3YFz)

182

Over at PJ Tatler, this tasty morsel:

"White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' '

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OK, since most employers are working with a       sub 10% profit margin,  and    back of the envelope     calculation of labor being 30% of      costs, we are looking at employers   who employ   many minimum wage employees (and don't forget that increasing those will force an increase on those above them) increasing labor costs by 8%, and having a profit margin of between     zero and 2 percent.

 

Brilliant

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 18, 2014 01:00 PM (AskuI)

183

I for one can testify to the merits of not working.

 

Give it a try, wingnuts, and stop complaining.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2014 01:00 PM (xvtYZ)

184

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 18, 2014 04:56 PM (TyvCt)

 

Move the business to just outside the city/ county.  Unfortunately there are plenty of vacancies in most areas right now. 

Posted by: J Peron, Weimar Chair of the Zimbabwe School of Economics at February 18, 2014 01:00 PM (D+lxs)

185 #158
"White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' '


You. Are. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

Nope. The fatal flawing in liberal thinking is that individuals will sacrifice their self-interests for the good of the state.

Posted by: Mike at February 18, 2014 01:00 PM (r/L31)

186

175
"White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' '

 

Nu-uh, he's not a S-S-S-Socialist, you crazy teabagger.

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 01:00 PM (HzhBE)

187 good news 500k Obama or non voters will be pushed aside. embrace the horror LIV's.

Posted by: redenzo at February 18, 2014 01:01 PM (WCnJW)

188 Let's just give everyone $100/ hour for not working. Except you bitches. You'll be in the coal mines. Oh did I forget to tell the greenies that we still have coal mines? I'm sorry, you'll be working the "green energy fields" of Colorado and West Virginia.

Posted by: Big Gov at February 18, 2014 01:01 PM (CNua6)

189 Chill, dude. Profit is theft. ::: fist bump ::: Duuuuuuude.

Posted by: Jesse "Full Communist" Myerson [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 01:01 PM (yz6yg)

190 If you like your profit to earnings ratio, you can keep your profit to earnings ratio.

Posted by: Barakhenaten I at February 18, 2014 01:01 PM (smntD)

191 Nope. The fatal flawing in liberal thinking is that individuals will sacrifice their self-interests for the good of the state.

Posted by: Mike at February 18, 2014 05:00 PM (r/L31

***************

You forgot the last part.

"Or else."

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 01:01 PM (HzhBE)

192 169 Do you know where very few people make less than $10.10 an hour. These new oil fields and the surrounding towns. Which also would be true during construction of the Keystone pipeline. But Obama doesn't seem to like those jobs since he's doing everything in his power to kill them. Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 18, 2014 04:56 PM (tf9Ne) ----- This.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at February 18, 2014 01:01 PM (OPg+h)

193 180 I would be interested to see a study of the wage point that flipped a job or industry to automation.

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 04:59 PM (4JkHl)


_________

It's a pretty simple formula.

Take the cost of the machine (including maintenance, delivery, etc), divide it by the number of hours it lasts before it needs to be replaced,. If that number is less that $10.10, you fire the illegal alien. If it's above $10.10 you keep the illegal alien.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 01:02 PM (0LHZx)

194 Hope you're not enjoying our low prices too much.

Posted by: Wal-Mart at February 18, 2014 04:50 PM (yz6yg)


I love your low prices.  I have several usurious lines of unsecured credit that I use to stuff the home I can barely afford (it's not very big but it's in a decent school district! Maybe if it weren't for all those ESL students whose parents work for you...) with foreign-made crap that I have to replace every two years because it breaks. Why, if it weren't for all of the improvements your low prices have wrought on the land with your lobbying and assistance in eliminating small business my wife wouldn't have a job (HR or maybe service industry. Not much else left.) and my baby wouldn't be in daycare and maybe we wouldn't be talking about divorce!

Posted by: low price lover at February 18, 2014 01:02 PM (RgIRJ)

195 The fatal flawing in liberal thinking is that individuals will sacrifice their self-interests for the good of the state.
Posted by: Mike

Whose fatal flaw is it?

Posted by: Joe Stalin at February 18, 2014 01:02 PM (4JkHl)

196 Nope. The fatal flawing conceit in liberal thinking is that individuals will sacrifice their self-interests for the good of the state. *ahem* I got there first. Credit please.

Posted by: Friedrich Hayek[/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 01:03 PM (yz6yg)

197 I don't shop at WalMart because I hate the experience. I'll pay an extra $5-$10 a week to avoid the extra stress and resulting RAGE that come from shopping at an understaffed store where customer service is non-existent.

I go to WalMart for some products, but I agree completely.

The lighting is like acid on my cornea.  There are fifteen checkout lanes, but almost universally only three are staffed.  Last time I was there the checker dumped a tray of cupcakes upside-down into the bag.  When the lady complained the checker just stared vacantly into middle distance while the lady went back for another tray.  Depending on your location the layout is often cramped and difficult to navigate.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 01:03 PM (IoTdl)

198 Half a million new poets, street mimes, performance artists and grievance mongers... ...terrific

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 01:03 PM (HsTG8)

199 The fatal flawing in liberal thinking is that individuals will sacrifice their self-interests for the good of the state. Willing sacrifice anyway. While it's ultimately a fatal flaw, you can run a coercive terror state for quite a while, at least until an external force knocks you over.

Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 01:03 PM (QupBk)

200 Hiking Minimum Wage to $10.10 Would Eliminate 500,000 Jobs Democrat response: job elimination IS job creation

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 18, 2014 01:04 PM (MhA4j)

201 "So those who keep their jobs earn more. Which they then immediately hand over to their recently-unemployed peers in the form of unemployment benefits." Liberals really don't know where government money comes from. The best example is the loon from California who wanted everyone to have health insurance she just didn't want to be the one to pay for it. They need to pay higher taxes before the penny drops.

Posted by: Decaf at February 18, 2014 01:04 PM (Bwva0)

202 102 I think that Feral Gubmint Workers salaries are pegged to the minimum wage. That 39% increase will translate into some hefty wage hikes for them. Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 18, 2014 04:41 PM (32Ze2) ------------------------ A lot union ones, both govt and private, are pegged that way. So it's just a way to please the union boys. Also, as zombie points out, it encourages unskilled illegal immigration. And it makes it hard for kids and for poorer people to get one step up on the ladder. It helps to encourage free-loading and sloth, keeps people from learning work habits. What's not to like?!?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 18, 2014 01:04 PM (dfYL9)

203 Meanwhile Kiev and Caracas burn.

But I heard Obama is having a good round of golf.

Or maybe he's watching the "real war" in Afghanistan...

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 01:04 PM (GGCsk)

204 Flatbush Joe, I see a great market for trailer hitches and bike racks. Pro tip: The automated readers have a difficult time reading through solid stuff - the covers and sprays - not so much. Posted by: Jean That'll dork you in the squeaker if you are in a mandatory front plate state. Texas is one.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2014 01:04 PM (E7Zh9)

205 Half a million new poets, street mimes, performance artists and grievance mongers... ...terrific Someone will have to organize that community!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 18, 2014 01:04 PM (l3vZN)

206 If that number is less that $10.10, you fire the illegal alien. If it's above $10.10 you keep the illegal alien.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

I thought you paid one illegal, el jefe, a fixed sum and he provided all the staff you needed.

Posted by: Joe Stalin at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (4JkHl)

207 It is funny when uber-liberal cities act like they are NYC. Seattle is not so desirable a place to live that it can go full progtard. And, by the way, when do the Seattlites and Portlanders ever admit that a big part of their sales pitch is that it's one of the only Whitopias you can go to without admitting you are going to a Whitopia. The lack of sunshine is a strong deterrent for people from ethnic groups that didn't evolve to live in no sunshine lands. Euros and northeast asians are cool with it, most of the rest of planet does not do well with that little sunshine. Seattle and Portland somehow get to claim they are diverse while being two of the whitest cities in America. They are Iowa white.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

208

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 05:02 PM (0LHZx)

 

But Moo-Moo, people can't even use kiosks at air ports, how can we automate anything else?

 

Posted by: J Peron, Weimar Chair of the Zimbabwe School of Economics at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (D+lxs)

209 >>That would not fly with the "I'm Staggeringly Cheap" segment of the Moron Nation.<<

Dear God. Do they allow Value-Rite and Hot dogs on the mall?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (GGCsk)

210 Democrat response: job elimination IS job creation I can't be responsible for every undercapitalized business out there!

Posted by: Hilary Clinton v1.2 [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (yz6yg)

211 So what camo pattern are we going to select for the official BDU?


Posted by: The View From the Porch at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (kxqfy)

212 I'm just going to order 50 of them because they're badass patches and I know at least 20 people who will wear them in the field.

Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (x3YFz)

213 If you mandate a minimum hourly wage rate, you are inevitably rendering certain positions and certain people as economically unsustainable. I ran a business for decades. Every time the minimum wage was increased I looked really hard at the people I employed who worked at that number. Inevitably I fired the people who did not deserve the higher wage and replaced them with people I thought *would* work harder.

Posted by: Aaron Burr [/i] at February 18, 2014 01:05 PM (CnA98)

214 I'm all for the "good of the state" as long as it means more benefits from the state for ME. 

And it usually does.

/ $100/hr minimum wage here we come baby!

Posted by: Typical O Voter at February 18, 2014 01:06 PM (25HWz)

215

These fast-food protestors really are stupid.  They have no idea how easy it is going to be for the chains to eliminate ALL of their jobs once it becomes more expensive to employ them than it does to buy machines.  A 30% hike in the minimum wage ought to just about do it. 

 

Welcome to self-ordering, machine-cooked burgers and fries, and outsourced janitors.  In another 3 years, it will take only about 5 people to actually run a McDonald's.  Applebee's is already converting to table-top iPads for diners to order their food and pay their tabs.  All they need people for is to cook and bring the food to the table and clean up at night. 

 

So, no more waiter/waitress jobs, no more McDonald's cashiers, and probably no more drive-thrus.  

Posted by: rockmom at February 18, 2014 01:06 PM (Q4elb)

216 Dear God. Do they allow Value-Rite and Hot dogs on the mall? Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 05:05 PM (GGCsk) Sure. Once.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 01:06 PM (yz6yg)

217 Im sorry sir your profit/to payroll ratio is way out of whack. Your payroll needs to go up 20%, or you will be arrested.

Posted by: irs at February 18, 2014 01:06 PM (WCnJW)

218 I'll jump on  the  hate Walmart bandwagon.

Posted by: eleven at February 18, 2014 01:07 PM (fsLdt)

219 I love Walmart. Cramped? Maybe older stores. The new Superstores are nice and airy and lots of natural sunlight too from the skylights.

I wouldn't let my dogs eat any of the meats from WM. But for canned goods, or general "stuff", Walmart's prices are so cheap, I'll put up with waiting in line for an extra 10 minutes.

Last summer I needed a boat buoy since I lost one. I went to an outdoors store, got one. Paid $18. A day later, I went to Walmart, identical buoy was $11. I took the other one back and bought it at Walmart. Not a huge deal for $7, but it just made me mad that the outdoor store would be that much of a fucking rip off.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 01:07 PM (0LHZx)

220 They are Iowa white.

The county I grew up in in Iowa is 25% Hispanic now.

Posted by: HR at February 18, 2014 01:07 PM (ZKzrr)

221 No wage hike? No recreating!

Posted by: Democrat Punitive Spending at February 18, 2014 01:07 PM (MhA4j)

222

Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2014 05:04 PM (E7Zh9)

 

I see a burgeoning business for brush guards and other front bumper accessories. 

Posted by: rd at February 18, 2014 01:07 PM (D+lxs)

223 I ran a business for decades. Every time the minimum wage was increased I looked really hard at the people I employed who worked at that number. Inevitably I fired the people who did not deserve the higher wage and replaced them with people I thought *would* work harder.

Posted by: Aaron Burr at February 18, 2014 05:05 PM (CnA9

 

In other words, all the Obama voters are going to lose their jobs. 

Posted by: rockmom at February 18, 2014 01:07 PM (NYnoe)

224 I'm just going to order 50 of them because they're badass patches and I know at least 20 people who will wear them in the field. Linakge?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 01:08 PM (yz6yg)

225 Party at Nancy's chateau.

Posted by: Let them eat fake at February 18, 2014 01:08 PM (FbMva)

226 How the fuck does adding 6 million people to the workforce--not working, mind you, he said "to the workforce"--make the loss of 500k jobs a good thing?

What kind of fucking fairytale land is it where we assume illegal immigrants ARE NOT WORKING NOW?
What fucking jobs are the illegals NOT doing now that they will do as soon as they are legal?
Are they all university professors, nuclear scientists and lawyers that sneak across the border to . . . hang drywall?

Or are they saying they are not working now and just come here for the welfare? SO WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE GIVE THEM AMNESTY?!!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 18, 2014 01:08 PM (VjL9S)

227 Actually he said-- "it's easy to remember" which is more neutral than "it's $10.10 because it is easier to remember". oy--sorry about that.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 01:08 PM (RJMhd)

228 That'll dork you in the squeaker if you are in a mandatory front plate state. Texas is one. Posted by: rickb223

Very few of the readers are setup for front plate reads.  The older ones had problems with the headlights being essentially broadband retroreflectors and saturating their IR images.  Some new ones are better performers. 

Need to lobby the TX legislature to allow for improved fuel economy by getting rid of the aerodynamic drag associated with front plates.

Posted by: Joe Stalin at February 18, 2014 01:08 PM (4JkHl)

229 T9
Love the patch

Stupid chatroom thingy stays stuck at "Connecting..."

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 18, 2014 01:09 PM (iN+8f)

230 But Moo-Moo, people can't even use kiosks at air ports, how can we automate anything else?

Posted by: J Peron, Weimar Chair of the Zimbabwe School of Economics at February 18, 2014 05:05 PM (D+lxs)


_____________


You can automate all you want. If your consumers can't use the machine, good luck. And the IQ of the typical McDonald's customer is at least 15 less than the typical airline customer.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 01:09 PM (0LHZx)

231 42 Why only $10.10 an hour? Why not $11? Or $15? Or hell, $1500? Then everyone will be a millionaire. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 04:32 PM (0LHZx) I think a very clever tactic would be to simply agree to raise it an excessive amount, and then demand for the Democrats explain why they don't want people to make good money? I say make the minimum wage $100.00 per hour. At some point, we have to fight stupidity with stupidity.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 01:09 PM (bb5+k)

232 Im sorry sir your profit/to payroll ratio is way out of whack. Your payroll needs to go up 20%, or you will be arrested.

Does anyone remember when some businessman asked Hillary! about all the gov't regulations, and how is he supposed to create jobs and such.

She said something about not being able to do anything for "undercapitalized businesses".

Basically "it's not my fault if you can't suck it up."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 01:10 PM (IoTdl)

233 218 I'll jump on the hate Walmart bandwagon.

Posted by: eleven at February 18, 2014 05:07 PM (fsLdt)

Walmart food is bullshit.  Socks fall off your feet in 2 months.  T-shirts are paper-thin.

Whole store full of "made in China."  (which equals bullshit)

Won't ever shop there again.

it's just nonsense.

Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 01:10 PM (x3YFz)

234 >>"White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' '<<<

WTF.

I can't believe they don't understand basic economics, after all, Obama delayed the employer mandate. SO this can only mean that they've targeted business as the enemy so they can...put them out of business (except for the big ones like Comcast), or take them over, or something else?

This is straight up Atlas Shrugged tactics.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 01:10 PM (POpqt)

235

My favorite Walmart story is when my wife went there and bought a new bike for our then 5 year old boy's birthday and no one in the store bothered to help her out after seeing her struggle to push the bike AND carry her baby in a carrier through the store. Finally, she said, some nice man in the parking lot helped her get the bike into the car. He wasn't an employee.

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 01:11 PM (HzhBE)

236 I got a feeling that if Seattle and Portland were right-wing cities, then people on the east coast that move there would be mocked for moving as far away from black people as they possibly can while still living in the continental US. In fact, I've often seen Alaska and Idaho mocked for just that thing, that it's scared white people moving as far away as possible from black people. Cause they vote Republican.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 01:11 PM (ZPrif)

237 96I definitely think that the woman at Tim Horton's who asked me to repeat my order three times because she couldn't bother to pay attention to the words my lips were forming ... and the other woman there who gave my order to the wrong person and turned a quick stop into a 20 minute hassle ... deserve a higher minimum wage.

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 04:40 PM (HzhBE)

 

The Tim Horton's staff that serves me tend to be Filipino, with very poor English skills.

Recent immigrants I take it.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 18, 2014 01:11 PM (Xmw9g)

238 OT: Oliver Stone is still an asshole. “Venezuela is a democratically elected government,” he quoted Stone in a tweet. “These people who keep protesting are sore losers.”

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 01:11 PM (Hx5uv)

239 229 T9
Love the patch

Stupid chatroom thingy stays stuck at "Connecting..."

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 18, 2014 05:09 PM (iN+8f)

kick me an e-mail (my throw away e-mail) tedrush@ymail.com.

I'll get back to you.

Posted by: tangonine at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (x3YFz)

240 215 Last year's headlines, a Japanese sushi cafe featured food tray delivery on conveyer belt where customers stood waiting order pick-up, another restaurant delivering food by robots to seated customers at tables.

Posted by: Democrat Punitive Spending at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (MhA4j)

241 Oh, and don't EVER buy paint from Walmart. It's half as much, but takes twice the amount to cover. And if you run out, as I did, you'll go to three stores before you can find anyone capable of matching your old paint.

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (HzhBE)

242 I think a very clever tactic would be to simply agree to raise it an excessive amount, and then demand for the Democrats explain why they don't want people to make good money?


I say make the minimum wage $100.00 per hour.


At some point, we have to fight stupidity with stupidity.


Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 05:09 PM (bb5+k)


___________


A clever Republican ( I know, I know) should introduce a bill for a $1000 minimum wage. Have the House pass it with 100% Republican support. Then let Harry Reid explain why he won't bring it up for a vote.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (0LHZx)

243 Crap. We're going to need a bigger union hall.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, United Mime Workers local #555 at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (GfJQD)

244 I like my Walmart. It is what it is. The good stuff that it carries is just as good as the other guys. The bad stuff, I just buy somewhere else.

Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (QupBk)

245 Yes, Walmart has issues.
But....when they do have ammo, it's at about the lowest prices anywhere.

When they have it.

Did I mention that they are often out of ammo?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (iN+8f)

246 Left the Stalin sock on to long

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 01:12 PM (4JkHl)

247

NorthernLuker,

One was an immigrant. The one who couldn't be bothered to pay attention to my order was not.

Posted by: Warden at February 18, 2014 01:13 PM (HzhBE)

248 173 Let's just jack the minimum wage to $100/hr. Why not? And give everyone a unicorn. Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 04:57 PM (tVTLU) At some point you have to illustrate absurdity by being absurd. No doubt some Democrats would balk at such an idea, at which time you can ask them, "By what mathematical calculation have you decided that $10.00/hr is just fine, but $100.00/hr is crazy talk? It's all crazy talk. There should be no such thing as a minimum wage. All it does is pry low skilled workers off the job ladder.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 01:13 PM (bb5+k)

249 238 OT: Oliver Stone is still an asshole. “Venezuela is a democratically elected government,” he quoted Stone in a tweet. “These people who keep protesting are sore losers.” Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 05:11 PM (Hx5uv) ********* Let's air drop him in there. Wrap him in toilet paper--to protect him.... Then watch the frenzy.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 01:13 PM (RJMhd)

250 >>Party at Nancy's chateau.

Wait - will Guam be exempted from these minimum wage hikes?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 01:13 PM (POpqt)

251 It would be exiting if Nancy Pelosi didn't have a job.

Posted by: Null at February 18, 2014 01:13 PM (xjpRj)

252 38 And that's why this Nobel Laureate is calling for the minimum wage to be set to one trillion dollars. I mean you'd only need to work an hour and you could retire! And we could just print as many of those trillion dollar coins as we needed.

Posted by: Paul Krugman at February 18, 2014 04:31 PM (M3hAT) 


I have scruples and will not work that one hour unless its a green job!



Posted by: Guido at February 18, 2014 01:14 PM (N3Y73)

253 “These people who keep protesting are sore losers.”

Posted by: WalrusRex

He meant, "bleeding" losers, those are worse.

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 01:15 PM (4JkHl)

254 People (LIVs) think of the minimum wage as a sort of living wage. I find that I can reach some of them, get them to question it, when I point out that you just can't set a "fair" amount for the whole country. Even within one state, like VA, what might let you survive in Fancy Gap won't buy you a cup of coffee in Fairfax.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 18, 2014 01:16 PM (dfYL9)

255 A clever Republican ( I know, I know) should introduce a bill for a $1000 minimum wage. Have the House pass it with 100% Republican support. Then let Harry Reid explain why he won't bring it up for a vote. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 05:12 PM (0LHZx) Exactly. The Democrats love them some theatrics, but I don't think they would be very entertained by moves such as this. We have to illustrate how stupid is the idea by pushing it out to it's logical conclusion. (Reductio ad absurdum.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 01:16 PM (bb5+k)

256 Nood porn.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 18, 2014 01:16 PM (E7Zh9)

257 Scoamf's next EO is to create a "maximum wage" for non Democratic voters. No Really !! Sorry........... I thought it was make-up-a-story day.

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2014 01:16 PM (r1ETs)

258 T9
Imma gonna guess that "ymail" is short for something else, yes?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 18, 2014 01:17 PM (iN+8f)

259 236 Flatbush Joe Historical trivia, Martin Van Buren's Dutch New York family owned a tavern and slaves in Kinderhook, a Hudson River town. And Martin Van Buren's nickname, "Old Kinderhook" led to the formation of O.K. Clubs in support of the President for election, from which came the popular response, "Okay."

Posted by: Democrat Punitive Spending at February 18, 2014 01:17 PM (MhA4j)

260 The rise of Seattle and Portland is never blamed on White Flight. But if you look at the demographic movement patterns it's no different than how white suburbs outside Detroit and other major cities grew. A progressive white guy choosing to move to lily white Portland is just a dude who likes the vibe and culture and music scene or something. Meanwhile, a conservative white family choosing to move to a mostly white suburb are just horrible people motivated by racial animus and the worst exemplars of White Flight. They might say they are motivated by good schools and lower crime, but those are just code words for racial hate and fear.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 01:17 PM (ZPrif)

261 In fact, I've often seen Alaska and Idaho mocked for just that thing, that it's scared white people moving as far away as possible from black people.

I went to University in Utah.  When I went back to the Seattle area afterwards I *noticed* all the non-white people.  I felt really bad about it too but my eyes kept going to all the Asians and Black people, *noticing* them.

So Seattle may be White North, but Utah is incandescently white in some areas.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 01:17 PM (IoTdl)

262

I think it will kill more than 500,000 jobs.

 

A lot of jobs are keyed off of the Minimum Wage...as in, a %age above it.

The Minimum Wage is used as a 'base pay'.

 

Union wage scales are keyed to the Min.Wage, aren't they?

 So union jobs would get an automatic raise, if the Min.Wage goes up.

 

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at February 18, 2014 01:18 PM (4TKwC)

263 251 It would be exiting if Nancy Pelosi didn't have a job. Her grand exit.

Posted by: Democrat Punitive Spending at February 18, 2014 01:18 PM (MhA4j)

264

If you like your profit to earnings ratio, you can keep your profit to earnings ratio.

 

Nice touch.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 18, 2014 01:20 PM (A0sHn)

265 Well what's half a million jobs in this booming economy. Jobs are just falling out of the sky these days so half a million would only add to the 90 million plus long term unemployed

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 18, 2014 01:20 PM (FE/sZ)

266 "White House: Employers Can Prevent Job Losses After Minimum Wage Hike by ‘Accepting Lower Profit Margins' ' Every single liberal in the country sees absolutely nothing wrong with this reasoning.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 18, 2014 01:20 PM (UB6eP)

267 So, half a million hoboes-to-be? I see good hunting in our future, Horde...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Applied Phrenologist at February 18, 2014 01:22 PM (naUcP)

268 “Venezuela is a democratically elected government,” he quoted Stone in a tweet. “These people who keep protesting are sore losers.” Posted by: WalrusRex at February 18, 2014 05:11 PM (Hx5uv) I have reached a point where about "democracy" a fuck I do not give. This nation was not founded as a Democracy. Indeed, the founders thought Democracy was as bad if not worse than Monarchy. It is axiomatic that there are a massive quantity of stupid people out there who should not be allowed to vote, and I for one do not give a damn if they think they ought to have a right to do so. If you don't PAY taxes, Fuck you! If you are under 21, Fuck You! Fuck you and that stupid sonofabitch that you were idiot enough to vote for. That is all.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 01:22 PM (bb5+k)

269 Portland is literally the whitest big city in America. They are #1. Seattle is #5.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 01:23 PM (ZPrif)

270 I think that's on city, not metro data.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

271 Here's the local Seattle NPR station lamenting the paleness of the populace - Why is Seattle So White? http://www.kpluwonders.org/content/why-seattle-such-white-city Of the 50 biggest cities in America, Seattle is 5th whitest. Just below Diversity-hating Omaha at #4.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 01:27 PM (ZPrif)

272 In other words, all the Obama voters are going to lose their jobs. I didn't care about anyone's politics in those days. I expected performance for MY dollars. The government decided that certain employees 'deserved' a raise. Well they can do that. But they couldn't stop me from performing my own evaluation of the job performance of those individuals and deciding to put them on the street. Which I did. It sent a message up and down the line that *I* was in control, not some asswipe in Washington. In today's environment I would expect immediate retribution from the EPA, OSHA, and the IRS -- maybe a few more ABC agencies. Sad state of affairs we are in. I'm in the state of life and financial circumstances that I could start another business if I wanted to. Probably have 15 to 20 employees with the capital I have available. But I choose not to. Because I will not let the government ream me ever again. Someone homeless, poor, underemployed? I have nothing but crocodile tears left for them. They voted, got what they wanted. I voted, did not get what I wanted -- an environment conducive to job creation and some nominal profit.

Posted by: Aaron Burr [/i] at February 18, 2014 01:28 PM (CnA98)

273

Dear Mr. Murray,

Of course turning illegal aliens into legal residents will expand the workforce as they can now legally have jobs. Hence the workforce will be larger, those actually working on the other hand, ie job holders, won't necessarily increase. Interestingly enough, workforce can mean all those that have a job, and it can also mean all those available for work. But I am sure that you were unaware of that when you chose to use the word.

 

Sincerely,

Darth Randall

 

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 18, 2014 01:30 PM (xWgW3)

274 "You can automate all you want. If your consumers can't use the machine, good luck. And the IQ of the typical McDonald's customer is at least 15 less than the typical airline customer." Typical McDonalds customer is a kid who is much better with technology than the rest of us.

Posted by: Decaf at February 18, 2014 01:32 PM (Bwva0)

275 "Alright, Mr. Obama, I'm ready for my close-up."

Posted by: Directive 10-289 at February 18, 2014 01:34 PM (GJGsz)

276

Posted by: Linx at February 18, 2014 04:53 PM (yz6yg)

Thanks, now I get it. Economics is easy. Just accuse someone else of not understanding them. And spew some silly bile.

I just don't get the Republican corporation-worship.  It is the other side of the coin to the occupy Wall Street crowd. Instead of railing against the universities that bilked them and the elite culture of social equality at all costs that led to the Grigg's decision and has heaped the insanity higher ever since, OWS railed against "the 1%." That is, the guys that hate and exploit you--the suburban Republican. And whom you love. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. And weird.

Have you ever visited a large corporation's website and seen the society-killing drivel they pledge in their commitments to diversity, gender-equality, homosexual rights, etc? Do you not understand that they hold you in utter contempt? How do you not get that multinational corporations drive illegal immigration, loss of social cohesion, low wages, usurious consumer debt, and over-regulation (what? Businesses HATE regulation you idiot! How stupid do you have to be to think that a big business will use lobbying and influence to impose regulations that strangle its smaller competitors? Gosh, I must be a giant lefty).

Do you seriously think wages have kept up with COL? Or corporate profits?  I don't care how much money a corporation makes but when that money is used to undermine the society that allowed them to prosper...These corporations have no stake in our country, and it shows to all but the willfully ignorant. But keep fighting for them.

Posted by: low price lover at February 18, 2014 01:42 PM (RgIRJ)

277 Gosh, I must be a giant lefty) Must be? Wow. JustÂ….wow.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 18, 2014 01:52 PM (yz6yg)

278 Seattle and Portland somehow get to claim they are diverse while being two of the whitest cities in America. They are Iowa white.


Really? On my last trip to Seattle there where so many Asians you couldn't swing a stir fried cat without hitting one.

Posted by: drill_thrawl at February 18, 2014 01:56 PM (rdiUQ)

279 BTW, lefties on Twitter are delusional about the CBO report. They keep touting it'll "pull xxx million out of poverty", etc.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 18, 2014 02:05 PM (T0NGe)

280 "If you take CBO job estimates as gospel, then you know "Gang of 8" immig bill expands workforce by 6M by 2023" Expanding the number of people in the workforce does not mean that they all get jobs. It means there is more competition for the jobs available. As noted by the CBO, there will be about 3 million less jobs available and an additional 6 million people competing for what is left.

Posted by: wodun at February 18, 2014 02:42 PM (fbqZE)

281

(I wonder how that fully automated burger joint is coming along.)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 04:37 PM (n0DEs)

***

Hmmm.... your order completed accurately and cheeseburgers without the TB phlegm.  Win-win and yummy!

Posted by: Raspail at February 18, 2014 03:29 PM (Xv7f/)

282 Are the Republicans ever going to start calling them minimum employable productivity laws?

Posted by: Michael at February 18, 2014 03:48 PM (smKbx)

283 Derp, expanded workforce by 6 million.  Jobs down 500,000 = 6.5 million more unemployed.  I'm sure mark Murray regards himself as part of the "intellectual elite."

Posted by: peej at February 18, 2014 05:25 PM (/2UVF)

284 And add the 2.5 million from Obamacare and you get 9 million more able-bodied people not working.  Socialist Utopia here we come.

Posted by: peej at February 18, 2014 05:51 PM (/2UVF)

285 "CBO as Gospel"

CBO is a reliable guide to the "best case scenario".  If they say 1/2 million job losses, you can safely bet your life that AT LEAST a half million jobs will be lost.

Whatever they predict, reality is ALWAYS a bit worse.

Posted by: Aarradin at February 19, 2014 01:32 AM (+7Wfv)

286 Mark Murray gives a link to teh CBO with a quote of: "... would cause the unemployment rate to be slightly higher for several years" And this is his defense that there'd be more jobs? Well maybe, and more people than the jobs added, and higher unemployment. Hey, good news all around; who wants higher unemployment? Anyone? Damn, I figured that'd be popular.

Posted by: gekkobear at February 19, 2014 11:03 AM (2zHxV)

287 On a positive note, hiking minimum wage to $110 an hour will mean that our burgers will be served by phd's.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 20, 2014 12:51 PM (Ed1xO)

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