January 02, 2014

Contrary to Obama's Claims, Insuring the Uninsured Via Medicaid Cause More to Go to the Emergency, Not Fewer
— Ace

You've heard this claim sixty thousand times: The uninsured don't go to doctors before a condition worsens, so they show up at the emergency room with a condition that could have been treated much more cheaply earlier.

Or: The poor go to the emergency room because they know they can't be turned away. And thus the absolutely highest-dollar part of the hospital is overutilized, thus driving up health care costs. Which you pay for, because, in the end, the hospital isn't eating that loss.

So, Obamacare was supposed to reduce costs by weaning the uninsured off their habituation of using the emergency room as a local health clinic.

Nope. Medicaid patients use the emergency room forty percent more than the completely uninsured.

Is there a single claim about this program that wasn't a "wrong promise"?

A new study of Medicaid beneficiaries in Oregon makes a strong version of this case. The study, published today in the journal Science, finds that adult Medicaid beneficiaries rely on emergency rooms about 40 percent more than similar uninsured adults.

"When you cover the uninsured, emergency room use goes up by a large magnitude," said Amy Finkelstein, a health economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who served as a lead investigator on the study, in an MIT press statement accompanying the study.

There were no exceptions to the trend. "In no case were we able to find any subpopulations, or type of conditions, for which Medicaid caused a significant decrease in emergency department use," said Finkelstein.

As Peter Suderman notes there, a previous Oregon Medicaid study also demonstrated that people on Medicaid experience no better health outcomes than those without any insurance at all.

Posted by: Ace at 03:42 PM | Comments (378)
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1 Why, it's almost as if the problem isn't with the healthcare system, but with the lazy, stupid people who want something for nothing.  Almost. 

Posted by: pep at January 02, 2014 03:44 PM (6TB1Z)

2 Lazy people are lazy? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: wooga at January 02, 2014 03:44 PM (h68p/)

3 It's also a dessert topping AND a floor wax.
 
That 404Care is good for everything.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 02, 2014 03:45 PM (cHZB7)

4 Of course those outcomes are not always positive.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 03:45 PM (LSDdO)

5 >>>Contrary to Obama's Claims, Insuring the Uninsured Via Medicaid Cause More to Go to the Emergency, Not Fewer<<<


Does a dog shit along magnetic fields?

//

Posted by: Hate Miser at January 02, 2014 03:46 PM (2ljO9)

6 It's a myth that preventative care substantially reduces health care costs.  Of course this varies from disease to disease, but a lot of preventative care, for example the PSA test for prostate cancer screening, result in increased costs.

Posted by: peej at January 02, 2014 03:46 PM (/2UVF)

7 We need house calls.  Not trips to the ER.

Posted by: Lazy Fuckers at January 02, 2014 03:46 PM (MNq6o)

8 Historic!

Posted by: garrett at January 02, 2014 03:46 PM (mIAI5)

9 He never promised you a rose garden.

Posted by: Zeke Emanuel at January 02, 2014 03:46 PM (aVcgy)

10 As Peter Suderman notes there, a previous Oregon Medicaid study also demonstrated that people on Medicaid experience no better health outcomes than those without any insurance at all. ** Actually, my bet would have been on them receiving *worse* care.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 03:47 PM (DmNpO)

11 People who have a history of making poor choices continue this behavior into their healthcare decisions. Fascinating.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 03:47 PM (P6QsQ)

12 Interestingly, the states who did not elect to expand medicaid, will cause their hospitals to lose subsidy money for lack of payment cases.

that's right, while the ER admits go up, the subsidy to pay for them goes down.

Guess where or who will make up the short fall?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 03:48 PM (LSDdO)

13 I would make a snarky comment but the wonk gap is so severe, I have nothing to say.

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 02, 2014 03:48 PM (72j65)

14 I have a question about the doggeh poop. Now to get a proper measurement which end of the dog must point to true north?

I apologize if this question has been asked before. I need an answer though if I am to verify this and please hurry, the dogs won't wait much longer.

Posted by: GMB at January 02, 2014 03:48 PM (nkPV9)

15 Yep, I was told that we're paying for these people anyway. I was told that the only alternative is to force people to die in the streets. Shocked I am to discover that people with bad habits continue to have bad habits.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 02, 2014 03:49 PM (IoTdl)

16 What? Are you part German?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 03:49 PM (LSDdO)

17 We live in a Dogs Licking Their Balls world. Why do people use the 'last resort' remedy, the Emergency Room? Same reason why dogs lick their balls. Because they can.

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 03:49 PM (2NfAC)

18 People who have a history of making poor choices continue this behavior into their healthcare decisions. **** no, poor people are poor because of white southern convservatives not bad choices

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 02, 2014 03:49 PM (72j65)

19 Lying Liars Lie.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 02, 2014 03:50 PM (6ahup)

20 There is that small part about all doctors are arrogant assholes so no one goes to see them.

But that's lost in the kerflfuffle.

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 03:50 PM (x3YFz)

21 People who have a history of making poor choices continue this behavior into their healthcare decisions. Fascinating. Posted by: grammie winger

Dang, I was sure that if someone else was paying, they'd be more careful with their healthcare dollars. 

Posted by: BHO at January 02, 2014 03:50 PM (6TB1Z)

22
Obamacare- stuck in the frozen ice of reality waiting for a Chinese rescue

Posted by: headless fish at January 02, 2014 03:50 PM (bkTIc)

23 This post segues nicely from teh doggeh poop thread.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 02, 2014 03:50 PM (6fSty)

24 Racist

Posted by: traye at January 02, 2014 03:51 PM (Woem8)

25 If only this could have been foreseen....

like the "pilot program" they claim makes this a GOP plan in the first place had experienced THE SAME GODDAMNED THING!

I said in 2010 nominating Romney was bad joss b/c O'Romneycare....

another Candidate would have been stressing Massholia's failteam status on cost cutting

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 03:51 PM (TE35l)

26 Once the administration dares to stick their heads out and report some actual numbers, we might get to see exactly who signed up for their train wreck. I for one ain't on that list.
 
Early reports were that more than half of all new signups were for Medicaid. It'll be interesting to hear from our ER doc commenters Conservative Crank and OG? about how their work load is impacted.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 02, 2014 03:51 PM (cHZB7)

27 Wait til white southern conservatives are a disarmed tenth of the population

Posted by: some Jews in 1860 Ukraine at January 02, 2014 03:51 PM (0m29n)

28 Obamacare- stuck in the frozen ice of reality waiting for a Chinese rescue

Obamacare - a giant puddle of radioactivity moving inexorably towards America. 

Posted by: pep at January 02, 2014 03:52 PM (6TB1Z)

29 well, why should i make an appointment for weeks from now, when i can just go to the ER and be seen now?

and, if i pick the right day & time, i can be in and out in about the same amount of time as i'd waste sitting around the doctor's office, as one of a bunch of double & triple booked patients...


Posted by: redc1c4 at January 02, 2014 03:52 PM (q+fqH)

30 O/T Yeeeeeeah!!! SquatchPride69 ‏@AceofSpadesHQ 1h i've quit smoking so if I go off on you for no reason it's probably because you're an asshole

Posted by: Asshole Cornelius at January 02, 2014 03:52 PM (RJMhd)

31 The whole concept that LIVs make decisions in advance of disaster is false. They don't have the knowledge to know to go to the doctor and they don't want to take the time to plan a visit. When it gets bad, they go down to the same place they always do, the ER. Why is this a surprise. Wish and hoping they will change their behavior is dishonest.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 03:52 PM (0FSuD)

32 We're all worse off but it's more fair so it all becomes WIN

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 02, 2014 03:53 PM (h53OH)

33 Obama care was sold partly on being able to eliminate the free riders. (I hear a lot about those here on this and other topics)

But that never works unless you're prepared to deny care for those who cannot pay.

And Obama care won't decrease them one bit. In Fact their will be an increase. Some accidental because they didn't know they weren't covered, some on purpose cause they figure the gov't or an insurer will pay for it at some point.

Most because they can. Why bother with pesky insurance premiums, signing up and filling out forms when you can just present yourself at the ER with your symptoms and BY LAW the hospital must admit you if you fit certain very flexible criteria. they may or may not CURE what you have but they will stabilize you and diagnose you.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 03:53 PM (LSDdO)

34 does this tie in with them being schizoid from pooping facing the wrong direction?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy 9th day of Christmas at January 02, 2014 03:53 PM (u8GsB)

35 Molly Line looks cold. Fortunately I have a warm fire, hot cocoa, and a blanket for her when she's done filing her report. Now let's get you out of those wet clothes Molly...

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 02, 2014 03:54 PM (oFCZn)

36 Isn't an over use of emergency rooms a symptom of how failed this whole scheme is?

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 03:54 PM (cubpP)

37 It's a full-scale collapse all the way down...

Posted by: GuyfromNH at January 02, 2014 03:54 PM (kbOju)

38 Liberals went way far wrong when they went from equal rights to equal outcomes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 03:54 PM (LSDdO)

39 "Contrary to Obama's Claims"

Posted by: Safe Ways to Begin a Sentence at January 02, 2014 03:55 PM (wAQA5)

40 Most Watched Sporting Events in 2013 by Sport: (Just America, obviously) --- Super Bowl - 109M BCS Championship Game - 26M NBA Finals Game 7 - 26M March Madness Final - 23M World Series Final Game - 19M Daytona 500 - 17M Kentucky Derby - 16M The Masters, Final Round - 15M Stanley Cup Final Game - 8M US-Mexico World Cup Qual Soccer Match - 7M US Open Women's Tennis Final - 6M Indy 500 - 6M UFC on Fox - 4M US Open Men's Tennis Final - 3M Women's College BasketBall Final - 3M WNBA Final - 1M

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 02, 2014 03:56 PM (ZPrif)

41 My mom had an aneurism.

Doc said that because she had cancer we should let her die from a UTI; it would be "more humane."  That was 4 years ago and she's going strong.

Next doc,  took mom in to see him 10 months after the previous jackass, he defended his colleague. 

Now, where I'm from, we hang fuckers like that.  And then hide the bodies.

two strikes.  two.

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 03:56 PM (x3YFz)

42 PG you might have something there.  Whacko due to poor toilet training.  Remember the current hot trend in NYC is running like mad in public holding your kid while hoping they don't drop a load because you thought they did not need diapers.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 03:56 PM (cubpP)

43 Basically anything a democrat says can be translated as the opposite with a 99.9% degree of certainty.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 03:57 PM (2hQRj)

44 The part about getting more people government subsidies was true. Get that permanent majority FSA over the 50% hump to European socialist levels.

Posted by: Beagle at January 02, 2014 03:57 PM (sOtz/)

45 32 Comrade Arthur at January 02, 2014 07:53 PM (h53OH)

COMRADE ARTHUR!  Happy New Year buddy.

Reminds me of a joke...

A Vietnamese guy, a Cuban Refugee, and a Democrat are all in a boat lost at sea.... a bottle is found and the Vietnamese rubs it a genie grants three wishes.

The Viet says: I want to go home to a free Vietnam and poof he is in Saigon in a capitalist paradise.

The Cuban says: I'd like to go back to a free Cuba and poof the Cuban is in a post-communist Cuba making money off Cigars

The Democrat says: man I am lonely I wish those two guys were back here.

Equality in Misery

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 03:57 PM (TE35l)

46 BTW, I just tried again to remove myself from Medicaid consideration and the damn site still tells me to check back next month. So... February now?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 03:57 PM (DmNpO)

47 If the country is determined to subsidize healthcare for low-income people, we would probably spend less and get better outcomes by opening networks of free public clinics staffed mostly by residents, interns, and doctors donating time as tax write-offs.

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 03:58 PM (GSIDW)

48 The one person I know on state provided (free) insurance ONLY goes to the emergency room first. Followed by by going to the doctor.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 03:58 PM (2hQRj)

49 WE know TFG is a serial liar. His half brother is shocked that he lied and said he recently met him. He met him in the 1980s in Kenya. I believe I read it at Drudge & it took me to NROÂ’s The Corner. LIVs elected a known liar twice. Thanks idiots.

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (z4WKX)

50 Ask anyone who's ever worked an ER and they will tell you why. Seen by a nurse immediately and the doctor must see you within 15 minutes of that.( These are quality measures you must prove to govt. or get your reimbursement cut.) Why should they go to a Doctors office and wait for hours and or get up early to make an appointment when they can show up at the ER at noon,or say 3 pm for that runny nose they've had for a week. That's why the posted signs stating EMERGENCIES will be seen before anyone. I have literally been in code situations where patients came to the door to complain about having to wait.Nevermind the poor guy on the table dying and yes they were all Medicaid patients they could care less that we are paying those bills.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (KuZ6A)

51 Further proof that Medicaid and the rest of the great society functioned as advertised on day one and continues to do so to this day.* Meanwhile, in more time than it took to win WW 2, the Choom Gang can't even get one website working. *"The _ _ _ _ _ _ s will vote for us for a hundred years." LBJ

Posted by: Katzenbach and the Duke of Earl, they were friends of mine at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (G7Yr9)

52 NDH Have you visited a doctor since you went on the website? Is your previous insurance still in force?

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (P6QsQ)

53 46 BTW, I just tried again to remove myself from Medicaid consideration and the damn site still tells me to check back next month.

So... February now?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 07:57 PM (DmNpO)

Good thing we paid all that $$ into it, to be treated like shit, right?

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (x3YFz)

54 NDH sounds like Shelob, Secretary of HHS has you fully ensnared.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (cubpP)

55 Well duh. If you're uninsured and you slice your finger open, you grab some super glue and neosporin and hope for the best. If you've got free medicaid, you go to the er for stitches.

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (CozRk)

56 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 07:57 PM (DmNpO)

Are we sure they didn't hook the website up to a Magic Eight Ball?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 03:59 PM (LSDdO)

57
*Aligns butt with magnetic north*  *contemplates obamacare*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 02, 2014 04:00 PM (MaP11)

58 Edna Mode, "No! No Magic Eight Ball! Might give helpful answer!"

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 04:00 PM (cubpP)

59 Obamacare, if it ever gets off the ground, will lead to increased usage, period. The people who are likely Medicaid users tend not to take good care of themselves. Meanwhile it is human nature to take advantage of something that is perceived to be free. This means increased usage. Anybody who can't see that is blind.

Posted by: Caliban at January 02, 2014 04:01 PM (2ArJQ)

60 It would've been cheaper and easier to manage if they just gave a voucher to anyone that qualified for the subsidies.

but then Federal Union Workers.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 04:01 PM (LSDdO)

61 >>>>It's a full-scale collapse all the way down...


It's your kids, Marty, something has got to be done about your kids!

...turtles...all the way down

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:02 PM (RLTt1)

62 And all the fuckers that think that Social Insecurity, Medicaid and Medicare deductions from their paychecks will help them in the future?

1)  We laugh at you
2)  We saw this coming 20 years ago, dumbasses.

But vote how you want, for whales and global warming.

Idiots.

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 04:02 PM (x3YFz)

63 It's almost as if this administration wholesale makes up "facts" to support their agenda. Huh... BRB- gonna go see who died because of a YouTube video today.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at January 02, 2014 04:02 PM (j0wOO)

64 A couple years ago I saw a woman in the hospital who refused to fill her prescriptions, would not let the hospital do it for her, and was billing the taxpayer every other week for hospitalization. Try to make something idiot proof and nature builds a better idiot.

Posted by: Beagle at January 02, 2014 04:02 PM (sOtz/)

65 60 Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 08:01 PM (LSDdO)

Heh "yeah"....

as if more people getting better care was ever the objective.

I love the way F$A eats up donkey shit come on admit it you do too....

"I could be handed 4500 in insurance bucks to spend as I will OR I can fuck up the entire system! I KNOW! I KNOW!"

//F$A Member 957

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:03 PM (TE35l)

66 Have you visited a doctor since you went on the website? Is your previous insurance still in force? *** I'm still insured and, apparently, I must wait for Medicaid to reach out to me to complete the process. I've reached out to Medicaid here in Florida, twice, but they didn't yet have my application. This all started, what, like 3 months ago?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:03 PM (DmNpO)

67 I've taken a tour of the least-insane liberal hangouts (Slate, primarily) to see what their spin on this was going to be. Remember, as King of the Ewoks says, "The uninsured don't go to doctors before a condition worsens, so they show up at the emergency room with a condition that could have been treated much more cheaply earlier." So what now?

They're doing some Obama-class revisionist history. ("What we promise was, if you like your plan and it hadn't changed since we passed the law, you could keep it.") They're saying that they never argued that ER visits would go down, just that *uncompensated* ER visits would go down. Which, you know, is bullshit. But they believe it, because Obama is Awesome.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 02, 2014 04:04 PM (QB4Dm)

68 What??? You mean...the politicians LIED to us??? Unpossible!



In other news, I have landed in Memphis relatively unscathed. A little glow-bull warmening flurries between Knoxville and Nashville but nothing serious. I probably could have gotten away with the Mustang after all...


Anyway, I'm off to find something to chew on and then I'll be back for a little bit of ONT. Later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 02, 2014 04:04 PM (bY6jM)

69 The government does not want things to be easy getting unhitched from Medicaid.  Because if you are on it, they stand a chance of seizing all your property.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 04:05 PM (cubpP)

70 NDH I'm glad at least that they did nt cancel you out of your old insurance

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 04:05 PM (P6QsQ)

71 wonder what my hash is when I disconnect from the Navy Lodge wifi and connect to my hotspot...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 02, 2014 04:05 PM (p/Oxi)

72 Hey, Ace Nigella us on TV. Some show called "The Taste" just started on ABC.

Posted by: shredded chi, a little happier than last year at January 02, 2014 04:05 PM (82LNv)

73 Well, they've got the free cellphones, and you're only supposed to use those for 911 calls.  Or up to 1,000 text messages a month.  Or something.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 02, 2014 04:05 PM (Q9qpj)

74 69 The government does not want things to be easy getting unhitched from Medicaid. Because if you are on it, they stand a chance of seizing all your property.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 08:05 PM (cubpP)

Good luck with that.

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 04:06 PM (x3YFz)

75 Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at January 02, 2014 08:04 PM (QB4Dm)

To be fair, there's a lot of conditions that can't be even diagnosed until they get worse.

I've had a couple and the docs just looked at me and went "what me worry?"

then. THEN when it got worse, they said, Oh sure we know what THAT is.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 04:06 PM (LSDdO)

76 A better explanation is this: people who are not responsible for the cost of their healthcare make extremely poor decisions about how to use it. Like going to the ER for the sniffles.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 02, 2014 04:06 PM (l7DqC)

77 Roadtrip to Memphis?  Well got a lunch scheduled with a friend tomorrow.  Alas.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 04:06 PM (cubpP)

78 A couple years ago I saw a woman in the hospital who refused to fill her prescriptions, would not let the hospital do it for her, and was billing the taxpayer every other week for hospitalization. Try to make something idiot proof and nature builds a better idiot. I saw an Emergency Room documentary thinger where a homeless crazy BIRM woman came in with some issue. She had lesions all over her, and was housing worms in the lesions. When the medicos wanted to remove them she freaked out. She wanted to keep them. So they came up with a bunch of plastic tubs and put the worms into the tubs for her, complete with the names of the worms on them. Then they scrubbed out the lesions and put bandages on them. I'm 99% sure she packed the lesions with dirt and worms as soon as she left the ER.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 02, 2014 04:06 PM (IoTdl)

79 OK, like I said, back for the ONT. Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 04:07 PM (p/Oxi)

80 In a truly free market, one where government doesn't know or care that "health care" exists, you could get treated for something immediately at 20 locations within 10 miles in any city for almost nothing - cash. In a fascist market like we have, you still get treated slightly less than immediately, for a $1500 base rate, paid for by someone else.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 04:07 PM (2hQRj)

81 //OT but funny as hell

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BWAHAHAHA awesome work Goreons

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:07 PM (TE35l)

82 There is that small part about all doctors are arrogant assholes so no one goes to see them.

But that's lost in the kerflfuffle.

Posted by: tangonine

'Cuse me, but are you drunk?

Posted by: ER Doctors at January 02, 2014 04:07 PM (Q9qpj)

83 Well duh. If you're uninsured and you slice your finger open, you grab some super glue and neosporin and hope for the best. If you've got free medicaid, you go to the er for stitches. *** Which goes, in part, to my comment that I would have thought Medicaid recipients receive worse care than the uninsured. Not a lot of doctors accept Medicaid and I'm guessing that the top practice in specialty fields do not. (Just a guess.) So those on Medicaid end up with less-than-the-best in care. The uninsured, however.... watch out for their own health as much as possible, dreading the cost of a hospital or doctor's bill. When they must go to the doctor, they are spending their own money and are more careful about where they spend it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:07 PM (DmNpO)

84 >>>then. THEN when it got worse, they said, Oh sure we know what THAT is.

"Hey, you should get that looked at."

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:08 PM (RLTt1)

85 Roadtrip to Memphis? Well got a lunch scheduled with a friend tomorrow. Alas.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 08:06 PM (cubpP)



Maybe for the return trip. I don't know when that will be yet, probably Wednesday.



OK, I'm really leaving this time.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 04:08 PM (p/Oxi)

86 Wasn't the spin on that study that but but but it makes the people on Medicaid feeeeel better and that's like exactly as important as actual improved health outcomes, serious you guys.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 02, 2014 04:09 PM (Gk3SS)

87 There is that small part about all doctors are arrogant assholes so no one goes to see them. But that's lost in the kerflfuffle. *** I am Blessed with truly wonderful doctors: kind, compassionate, patient, and skilled. I have, however, dealt with some real assholes. Then again, I've dealt with assholes in almost any field imaginable. Haven't you?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:09 PM (DmNpO)

88 Feeling more pissy than usual this evening ... so I'll freely state that "Since Their votes count just as much as Ours - I can't see how this could go wrong." Or just LiB. Whatever.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 02, 2014 04:09 PM (6/+vz)

89 UWP, retail urgent care centers have been popping up like mad around here lately. I love them. Im sure Obama will try to shut them down.

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 04:09 PM (CozRk)

90

I have medicaid and am regulated to a specific clinic BUT if I get sick suddenly and call to see if they can see me, they send me to the emergency room.  Seriously.  Then, after sitting there for 10-12 hours (illegal aliens!), I can get treatment.

 

I can't wait until all those who have been pushed on to Medicaid after having regular insurance experience that.  The last time I got sick, I went ahead and paid $70 bucks (borrowed) to see a doctor, which took 45 minutes max.

Posted by: joanne at January 02, 2014 04:09 PM (s/quq)

91 Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 08:06 PM (x3YFz)

No they changed the laws and if you die while on medicaid, the fed gov't can act to seize all assets to pay it back for the "care" you received. (another gift from the ACA)

And which may or may not have not kept you alive.

Anyone who's not mad at the R's for not even planning to try to repeal this isn't paying attention (or is Gabriel Malor).

Oh and someone tell me that all the while we're sorting this mess out, it behooves us to anoint millions of undocumented Democrats as citizens? Well that's what Boner has in mind.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 04:10 PM (LSDdO)

92 85 GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 08:08 PM (p/Oxi)

GGE I don't know if you remember when I got snowed in at the 77-81 split a few years back....

you may want to ponder 20 back and up 95 bud.

Glad you made it safe.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:10 PM (TE35l)

93 Of course, Medicaid has itty-bitty networks in a lot of areas. If your doctor is two towns over and/or a dumbass who can only stay afloat by being the only Medicaid provider around, of course you end up in the ER.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at January 02, 2014 04:10 PM (OCpDa)

94 Now add in the 20+ Million Illegals who do NOT have to abide by Ocare... and so will continue to use the Emergency room...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 02, 2014 04:12 PM (lZBBB)

95 89 there'll be a push to regulate and standardize them, yes

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:12 PM (RLTt1)

96 I've noticed that whether I'm the emergency room or the clinic, I bleed in alignment with gravity fields.

True story.

Posted by: Fritz at January 02, 2014 04:12 PM (TKFmG)

97 I'm liking the concierge concept of medicine, more and more.

Posted by: NCKate at January 02, 2014 04:13 PM (Auy5s)

98 Romeo13 don't forget the Muslims who are exempt from ACA due to religious reasons.

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 04:13 PM (cubpP)

99 93 Jenny Hates Her Phone at January 02, 2014 08:10 PM (OCpDa)

I think the end game they have in mind is a bunch of doctors making less per hour invested in their careers than burger flippers....


Me, I want this guy for a doctor...

http://youtu.be/5oXCm4N3J_M


because Dr. Lexus is having a good time and he speaks LIV

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:14 PM (TE35l)

100 or pelosi's district or the unions or the other contributors...

Posted by: oejay44cday at January 02, 2014 04:14 PM (72j65)

101 When I lived in the Philippines, a lot of the GIs married women from the Philippines. These ladies were not used to getting US style care. Understandable. So they ran adverts on TV instructing people that they don't have to call an ambulance if they get a minor cut. Maybe we could get some money from Ogabecare to run commercials in high-LIV areas to let people know they don't have to go to the ER for the sniffles.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 02, 2014 04:14 PM (IoTdl)

102 Don't worry, the Donks are going to force doctors to accept Medicare. Presumably after repealing the 13th Amendment.

Posted by: Beagle at January 02, 2014 04:15 PM (sOtz/)

103 Er, Medicaid.

Posted by: Beagle at January 02, 2014 04:15 PM (sOtz/)

104 76 A better explanation is this: people who are not responsible for the cost of their healthcare make extremely poor decisions about how to use it. Like going to the ER for the sniffles.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 02, 2014 08:06 PM (l7DqC)

 

I'm glad you commented this.  This is so not true.  Sure, there are lots of illegals and idiots out there.  But when you need medical treatment and are consigned to shitty Medicaid, believe me, you take care of your health.  At least I do.

Posted by: joanne at January 02, 2014 04:15 PM (s/quq)

105 Three reason's for this that the dumbocrats as usual ignore. People are lazy by nature it is in our DNA everything in the universe tends towards a lower energy state especially lazy human beings, Medicaid recipients and the uninsured typically do not lead even a moderately healthy lifestyle and lastly they don't call their doctor once a year and say " Hey Doc time for my yearly physical when can I come in to get the Labs done?" they wait till something goes catastrophically wrong. So duh yeah they use more critical resources and the cost is higher.

Posted by: Oldcrow at January 02, 2014 04:16 PM (Cj4/m)

106 102 Beagle at January 02, 2014 08:15 PM (sOtz/)


What I was getting at....their end game is chillingly clear...

you are a medical doctor you are an indentured servant of the state comrade.

They won't repeal the 13th they'll ignore it and Judas Iscariot Roberts will say it is manumission or something.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:16 PM (TE35l)

107 101 good luck. theyÂ’ll call an ambulance for an std becoz no car and its late

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:16 PM (RLTt1)

108 I think medicaid has it's place if they could run it right. I know a 45 yr. old girl who worked 6-7 days at 2-3 jobs to barely support herself and her 12 yr. old girl...diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer a year ago, cobra done, had to go to medicaid and last waited over 6 hours in that Goddamn place...what should she get?

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 04:16 PM (ahBY0)

109 Doctors will become critical assets of the State, just like in Cuba.  That right there is a sure motivator for 'Cadillac quality' care...

Posted by: Chelsea Puma (+SmuD) at January 02, 2014 04:16 PM (cubpP)

110 Its also true that Emergency rooms will not try to bill you upfront.... as Doctors are going to HAVE to do, as most low income folks who do have insurance (not Medicaid) will have huge deductables...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 02, 2014 04:16 PM (lZBBB)

111 In other news:  Al manbearpig Gore closed all his climate protection offices and laid off 90% of his followers. 

HAH!  fuckers.
http://tinyurl.com/lel7b82

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 04:17 PM (x3YFz)

112 50 Ask anyone who's ever worked an ER and they will tell you why. Seen by a nurse immediately and the doctor must see you within 15 minutes of that WHAT? Where the hell do you live? I worked in an ER while I was getting my EMT. Seen by a nurse immediately? Is immediately 30 minutes? Seen by a doctor in 15 minutes? You meant 150 minutes right? I've NEVER been in an ER and waited less than an hour to see a Dr. I know triage and all that, but when no one is doing anything, how hard is it to at least make a primary look see by someone.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:17 PM (0FSuD)

113 83 Well duh. If you're uninsured and you slice your finger open, you grab some super glue and neosporin and hope for the best. I would rather do that than head to any day. Few years ago I got a fish hook in my hand in such a way I couldn't get it out myself, went to er, five hours later finally got it cut out. Last year I gashed my arm open, fixed it myself in about thirty minutes then went back to working on my house.

Posted by: traye at January 02, 2014 04:17 PM (Woem8)

114 108 dumbartist at January 02, 2014 08:16 PM (ahBY0)

Charity medical care that knocks a dollar off earned income dollar for dollar.

Next?

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:18 PM (TE35l)

115 kid is very fitful sleeping. teething and his ubiquitous cold. can only sleep on my shoulder, but he keeps squirming

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:18 PM (RLTt1)

116 102 Don't worry, the Donks are going to force doctors to accept Medicare. Presumably after repealing the 13th Amendment.

Posted by: Beagle at January 02, 2014 08:15 PM (sOtz/)

...right up to the point doctors decide to become botanists.  Or gas pumpers.  Or makers of cheeseburgers.

Then what?

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 04:19 PM (x3YFz)

117 >>This is so not true. Sure, there are lots of illegals and idiots out there. But when you need medical treatment and are consigned to shitty Medicaid, believe me, you take care of your health. At least I do. Posted by: joanne And believe me, you are so not typical.

Posted by: Aviator at January 02, 2014 04:19 PM (DI+ja)

118 I'll say this one more time: It's not about healthcare and never has been.  It's about one sixth of the economy and the ability to submerge 100s of trillions more of spending in another "lock box" or "trust fund" just as they have done with Social Security, Medicare, the highway fund and all of the other scam accounts.  That is why the Republicans are not serious about repealing O'care.  There is no way in hell they could stop the kind of spending that created $17 trillion in debt and $120 trillion in unfunded liabilities.  One sixth of the economy adds another several layers on the bottom of the pyramid of the ponzi scheme that is our government. 

How easy was it for them to spend $500 million on a website that should have cost $2 - $10 million max?

This is like the California gold rush of government.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (BZAd3)

119 I've NEVER been in an ER and waited less than an hour to see a Dr. I know triage and all that, but when no one is doing anything, how hard is it to at least make a primary look see by someone. The trick is to express "discomfort" in your upper torso area, possibly my chest. Vague enough to be deniable, close enough to chest pains to go to the head of the line.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (WhJf8)

120 @106 It's a tax!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (sOtz/)

121 >>I think medicaid has it's place if they could run it right. I know a 45 yr. old girl who worked 6-7 days at 2-3 jobs to barely support herself and her 12 yr. old girl...diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer a year ago, cobra done, had to go to medicaid and last waited over 6 hours in that Goddamn place...what should she get? I don't have a huge problem with the idea of Medicaid and yes it could be run a hell of a lot better. So could VA care and Medicare. What I don't want is my paid for plan to morph into any of them. I don't mind paying my way and pitching in to help others but I don't feel a bit bad feeling I should be ahead of them in line.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (g1DWB)

122 115 kid is very fitful sleeping. teething and his ubiquitous cold. can only sleep on my shoulder, but he keeps squirming Where's mom's old bottle of paregoric?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (0FSuD)

123 ...right up to the point doctors decide to become botanists. Or gas pumpers. Or makers of cheeseburgers.

Then what?


Then we will know them by the term "wreckers," comrade.  And you know what happens to wreckers.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (8ZskC)

124 In other news: Al manbearpig Gore closed all his climate protection offices and laid off 90% of his followers.

... and his second chakra, but mostly 90% of his followers

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 02, 2014 04:20 PM (Xfl0F)

125 Got a relative on Medicare who just got dire health news. They had her out the door and in hospice under 72 hrs. She's pretty much what Obamacare and the Left dreams about. Old and white, just a few years retired. Been healthy until a few months ago. Started having problems. Nausea, headaches, balance problems, anxiety problems. Finally she had a fall on Christmas. Rushed to the hospital. Inoperable brain tumor. 12 weeks to live. Nice to see you. Here's the door. Here's your hospice lady. Thanks for coming. Goodbye. No expensive treatments. Just hospice and morphine. Very efficient. Money saving for the State. Not gonna be a lot of expensive treatments for her. Medicare spent a couple grand on the MRI, I guess. From here on out it's pretty cheap stuff. Just hospice and morphine.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 02, 2014 04:21 PM (ZPrif)

126 ...right up to the point doctors decide to become botanists. Or gas pumpers. Or makers of cheeseburgers.

Then what?

Then we import them from third world shitholes where the wages for a doctor are even worse than what the medicaid payouts will allow here.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 02, 2014 04:21 PM (JawqV)

127 >>>Then what?


remember the cattle calls when the TSA was formed? ever ask any of them what they were doing before that?

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:21 PM (RLTt1)

128 She had lesions all over her, and was housing worms in the lesions.

Oh man, I saw that too.  She even named the worms.  It was Untold Stories of the ER. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 02, 2014 04:22 PM (HsJeN)

129 123 Cicero (@cicero) at January 02, 2014 08:20 PM (8ZskC)

Quite....you can't spell Kulak without the Gulag.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:22 PM (TE35l)

130 doctors donating time as tax write-offs.

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 07:58 PM (GSIDW)


We simply cannot have any doctor getting credit for a charitable action, why it might throw off the serf's appreciation of the beneficent Caliph.

Posted by: J Podpeopledesta at January 02, 2014 04:23 PM (o3MSL)

131 Three reason's for this that the dumbocrats as usual ignore. People are lazy by nature it is in our DNA everything in the universe tends towards a lower energy state especially lazy human beings, ---- I haven't been to the doctor in about 10 years, matter of fact, I've probably gone 5 times in 30 years, usually for stitches. The one time I tried going for an illness, by the time I got in 4 days later, I was already OK. The appointment was fairly awkward: So UWP whats wrong. Uh, well, I did think I had a major stomach problem, but it went away. OK, well, that'll be $100. Call us if it comes back.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 04:23 PM (2hQRj)

132 #114...I hate the word charity but I agree and would gladly pay a tax for something that actually went to where they promise.

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 04:23 PM (ahBY0)

133 Does insurance of any kind have a measurable impact on outcomes - in the end were all worm food.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2014 04:24 PM (4JkHl)

134 Hey don't want to sound like a dick or nothing, but it says on your chart you're fucked up...you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded....RIGHT?!?

//Dr Lexus

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:24 PM (TE35l)

135 remember the cattle calls when the TSA was formed? ever ask any of them what they were doing before that? I do. I also remember when some Chicken processing plant got raided and 200 workers disappeared into the wind. They then had applicants lining down the street who were presumably legal. I wonder what those people were doing before too.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 02, 2014 04:24 PM (WhJf8)

136 126 ...right up to the point doctors decide to become botanists. Or gas pumpers. Or makers of cheeseburgers.

Then what?

Then we import them from third world shitholes where the wages for a doctor are even worse than what the medicaid payouts will allow here.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 02, 2014 08:21 PM (JawqV)

Shit.

We'll push through this commie overthrow.

Ain't nothin' but a thing.

You just have to make a choice:  when you see a commie shitbag, you never help, or sell anything to a commie shitbag.

"We're Closed"

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 04:24 PM (x3YFz)

137 I'm 99% sure she packed the lesions with dirt and worms as soon as she left the ER.

Those sons of Kyuss from that first-edition Fiend Folio?

That explains mommy

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 02, 2014 04:24 PM (Xfl0F)

138 Quite....you can't spell Kulak without the Gulag.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 08:22 PM (TE35l)


To each according to his needs, from each according to what the state thinks you can be coerced to provide.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 02, 2014 04:24 PM (8ZskC)

139 Vague enough to be deniable, close enough to chest pains to go to the head of the line.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 02, 2014 08:20 PM (WhJf


Lie down on the floor while clutching your chest, that usually gets their attention.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:25 PM (o3MSL)

140 132 dumbartist at January 02, 2014 08:23 PM (ahBY0)

There is NOTHING wrong with calling it what it is, medicaid is charity not "a right" that said.....
it will never happen because it denies the state the control they crave.

This is not about care it is about control.

I hope the year finds you well next new year.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:25 PM (TE35l)

141 Does insurance of any kind have a measurable impact on outcomes - in the end were all worm food.



Yes, but most of us don't name the worms.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 02, 2014 04:25 PM (8ZskC)

142

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 08:16 PM (ahBY0)

 

Lost my job in 2008, couldn't afford Cobra (hah, what a scam) and when I got sick, I had to use Medicaid.  So I'm somewhat offended by some of the comments but not massively so.  Before I lost my job, I sounded just like a lot of people here.

Posted by: joanne at January 02, 2014 04:25 PM (s/quq)

143 @119 "Did you lose consciousness?" Yes or I do not know gets you to the front of the line. Just need ten stitches? Bleed out for a while in the waiting room by the coughing illegal aliens. I have the nearby urgent cares marked now. They finally stitched my kid seven hours later at 4:30 AM.

Posted by: Beagle at January 02, 2014 04:26 PM (sOtz/)

144 Vague enough to be deniable, close enough to chest pains to go to the head of the line. Posted by: bonhomme at January 02, 2014 08:20 PM (WhJf Well, when you have a six inch torn stuck in your median nerve at your wrist, it's hard to suggest you are having a heart attack. I do remember once going to the head of the line with a friend who we thought had food poisoning. We were in Richmond at MCV on a Friday night. The EMT's pushed him past five Obama voters still bleeding from knife wounds. I liked it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:26 PM (0FSuD)

145 You just have to make a choice: when you see a commie shitbag, you never help, or sell anything to a commie shitbag.

"We're Closed"


Unless the commie shitbag happens to be teh ghey.  Then you have no choice.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 02, 2014 04:26 PM (8ZskC)

146 What actually does irritate me about our healthcare system are all the mandatory well baby checks. Every single time we go in my kids catch something from the waiting rooms.

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 04:27 PM (CozRk)

147 Nip these are new quality indicators we triage place on a bed if one is available look at the seriousness of the complaint so if you have multiple drs. And nurses who know how to treat clinic pts. as clinic pts. Get em in and get em out so you have beds for the seriously ill.you know as well as I do that the backup cones when the doc orders the Ct-scan for the migraine to prevent lawsuits, or multiple x-rays to also prevent future lawsuits.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 04:28 PM (KuZ6A)

148 50 Ask anyone who's ever worked an ER and they will tell you why. Seen by a nurse immediately and the doctor must see you within 15 minutes of that __________ I'm going to have to call a magnetically aligned villager on this one. I went to the ER in need of 6 or 8 stitches last year when I ripped my knuckle almost off. I tried the electrical tape trick, but it was still bleeding 4 hours later. Anyway, took almost an hour, and I never saw a doc. I got 3 stitches from a PA & a $2600 bill. Spent over 3 hours there, and the place was empty.

Posted by: shredded chi, a little happier than last year at January 02, 2014 04:28 PM (82LNv)

149 Go Sooners!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 04:28 PM (zDsvJ)

150 Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 08:27 PM (CozRk)


BUT "free" preventive care...

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:28 PM (o3MSL)

151 142 : joanne at January 02, 2014 08:25 PM (s/quq)

Joanne, I grew up on medicaid.

What I said on Charity care with a dollar for dollar valued reduction of earned income.

It would evaporate the problem, no bullshit.

It will never be allowed to happen b/c it would deny the Federales their sweet sweet scratch and it keeps people from being locked into block voting.

I am not a cold hearted bastard, and people did just fine for care prior to Govt Disequlibrium Inc's incursion.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:29 PM (TE35l)

152 142 Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 08:16 PM (ahBY0)

Lost my job in 2008, couldn't afford Cobra (hah, what a scam) and when I got sick, I had to use Medicaid. So I'm somewhat offended by some of the comments but not massively so.Before I lost my job, I sounded just like a lot of people here.

Posted by: joanne at January 02, 2014 08:25 PM (s/quq)

Everyone paid into Medicaid.

Hell, it took a huge chunk out of my paycheck even when I was a lowly E-3.

Ya'll can keep that shit.  I'm fine on my own.  I didn't crawl around a desert getting shot at so I could pay to subsidize bullshit.

Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 04:29 PM (x3YFz)

153 Lost my job in 2008, couldn't afford Cobra (hah, what a scam) and when I got sick, I had to use Medicaid. So I'm somewhat offended by some of the comments but not massively so.Before I lost my job, I sounded just like a lot of people here. ** Joanne, I can assure you that you are not the target of the types of comments which upset you. As with EBT and Section-8 housing, there are always folks lined up to abuse the system. Folks such as yourself are why the safety net exists.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:29 PM (DmNpO)

154 Don't worry, The GOP has a plan. Â…Â…..it's on another hill WAY back there in the distance. See it? Â…Â…..yah, me neither

Posted by: ontherocks at January 02, 2014 04:29 PM (IQCz4)

155 (autocorrect) Villager = bullshit

Posted by: shredded chi, a little happier than last year at January 02, 2014 04:29 PM (82LNv)

156 Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 08:29 PM (x3YFz)

Actually I thought everyone paid into Medicare (for their eventual senior years).  Medicaid is funded differently as I recall.  But I confess I might not have this right as I am not in the medical field.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:31 PM (o3MSL)

157 @147 Yeah, maybe I am whining too much. I did my ER training five years ago in a small NC hospital. Mostly they were pretty damn good. I would have thrown half these people out on the street, they were so obviously faking shit. No one did, which impressed me.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:31 PM (0FSuD)

158 I've never had great experiences with docs. I'm always amazed by people who DID pre-Obamacare. IMO the healthcare industry kind if opened the door for this crap by its failure to be patient-focussed. Now we are all boned.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 04:32 PM (zDsvJ)

159 OT, but Nigella Lawson is on The Taste on ABC

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:32 PM (DmNpO)

160 155- how the heck does autocorrect get something that far wrong?

Posted by: nnptcgrad at January 02, 2014 04:32 PM (Opyrm)

161 159 OT, but Nigella Lawson is on The Taste on ABC Now THAT's a BIG hunk of burning love!

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:33 PM (0FSuD)

162 I'm going to have to call a magnetically aligned villager on this one. *** Must file this away for future use.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:34 PM (DmNpO)

163 Had the ex get sick once, after weeding the flower bed. Then progressively sicker really quick. Me, being a play doctor immediately thought it was due to her touching a mushroom in the flower bed that looked like a dog dick. So later we're in the emergency room, showing the doctor a picture of the dog dick mushroom, and prediagnosing her condition when he looked at me pitifully and said, its her gallbladder. SO I suppose they do come in handy. I was WAY off.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 04:35 PM (2hQRj)

164 I've had good and bad experiences in the ER.  Unfortunately, I've spent quite a bit of time in them over the years.  The worst was when a guy with a grossly broken leg was sitting in a wheelchair, and I was sitting two chairs over from him writhing in agony from a kidney stone while the triage nurse tried to explain to a couple how to give tylenol to their baby who was cutting teeth.  I kid you not, they brought their infant to the ER because he was teething.  Meanwhile, the guy bleeding with a broken leg sat there and patiently waited his turn.  I left and went to another ER.  The worst part for me was I had gone to a clinic earlier in the day because I knew it was a kidney stone (I have a history), told the doc at the clinic it was a kidney stone, and he gave me a shot for pain relief and some antibiotics for the UTI he thought I had, but no prescription so I could make it through the rest of the day before the tiny grapenut of death passed. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 02, 2014 04:35 PM (HsJeN)

165 162 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 08:34 PM (DmNpO)

Why is there a bar in my mouth, AND a bar in my ass you ask....?

well it's funny I was having trouble finding the magnetic waves but now thanks to cyborg tech I see the answers.....

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:35 PM (TE35l)

166 This is Jakeman's total lack of surprise.

Posted by: jakeman at January 02, 2014 04:36 PM (vH4YP)

167
doctors donating time as tax write-offs.
Posted by: votermom



Nice try, but I believe there's a rather extensive set of IRS regs about professionals donating their services.  Keeps, for instance, a law-bot from declaring his services are worth $1000 an hour and taking a massive deduction.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 02, 2014 04:36 PM (kdS6q)

168 163 "that's a dog dick, son"

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:37 PM (RLTt1)

169 ...but no prescription so I could make it through the rest of the day before the tiny grapenut of death passed.

Not to self, drink more water.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 02, 2014 04:37 PM (JawqV)

170 Joanne no offense intended the vast majority of Medicaid patients never graced our ER but boy did we have the frequent fliers, we also had a lot of pts. that would give the name of our ER director as their primary care physician and tell us they refused to go to a regular doctor because he was the best. mind you we also had a clinic next door with many great doctors from pediatricians to gerontologists.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 04:37 PM (KuZ6A)

171 No good deed If it happens again, try a beer or barley water. Worked like a charm for Mr Y-not.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 04:37 PM (zDsvJ)

172 Why is there a bar in my mouth, AND a bar in my ass you ask....? well it's funny I was having trouble finding the magnetic waves but now thanks to cyborg tech I see the answers..... *** LOL! It must be hell to squat like that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:38 PM (DmNpO)

173 164 no good deed at January 02, 2014 08:35 PM (HsJeN)

It was a lot like that at Ft Bliss....

man what a crazy fucking ER that was.....

William Beaumont AMCH....

not criticizing the care at all just a surreal coterie of extras from the twilight zone in the ER

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:38 PM (TE35l)

174 7-0 Tide.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 02, 2014 04:38 PM (JQuNB)

175 Yeah, maybe I am whining too much. I did my ER training five years ago in a small NC hospital. Mostly they were pretty damn good. I would have thrown half these people out on the street, they were so obviously faking shit. No one did, which impressed me. A lot of people come to the ER faking pain so they can score some free narcotics. Because of EMTALA you can't just turn a known frequent flier away at the door. I've also heard of homeless folks going to the ER and faking illness so they can get admitted, have a room for the night and a free meal. Again, you can't just refuse them, you at least have to give them a screening examination which takes time and resources away from people who are actually sick.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 04:38 PM (UAMVq)

176 #140-#142...thanks Sven, same to you...all this shit about "rights", non-"rights" is not a concern if you're an honest person in need. I think there is so much emphasis on those that do not belong in the system that those that do get pushed to the side. Just the beginning.



Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 04:38 PM (ahBY0)

177 No one, unless they have a job, can afford to pay the COBRA rates. ThatÂ’s one of my many hats I wear at work, when I go in. I give soon to be former employees, most have new jobs lined up, the letter with the COBRA rates. I tell them to do nothing until they start their new job. If an emergency comes up from last date of employment until they start new job, theyÂ’ll have to pay for the few days & I will reinstate them. Only twice in all the years I have done that has anyone ever needed COBRA in an emergency. Once it was one of the three biggest jerks that have ever worked for the company I do. He was being a jerk about COBRA & insisted that rather than my giving him the letter by hand, I had to send it via certified mail. I didnÂ’t care, I sent it certified mail. He almost made several people quite over the years and tried to divide various departments and was an asshole. It had to have killed him to call me and beg me to put him back under COBRA because his new employerÂ’s insurance had a waiting period and he was @ work when letter was delivered to his home and then he was so sick he couldnÂ’t go pick it up at the post office. My older brother always says that God will get them sooner or later. It was funny that he got it within a week of leaving.

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 04:39 PM (z4WKX)

178 Had the ex get sick once, after weeding the flower bed. Then progressively sicker really quick. Me, being a play doctor immediately thought it was due to her touching a mushroom in the flower bed that looked like a dog dick. So later we're in the emergency room, showing the doctor a picture of the dog dick mushroom, and prediagnosing her condition when he looked at me pitifully and said, its her gallbladder. SO I suppose they do come in handy. I was WAY off. *** HEHEHEHEHEHEEEE How does the doc know it wasn't the dog dick mushroom which damaged her gallbladder?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 04:40 PM (DmNpO)

179 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 02, 2014 08:36 PM (kdS6q)

Just another reason to invoke Shakespeare's maxim about lawyers.


Back in days of yore, many many docs actually did this (on an informal basis at least), but the iron hand of the IRS and the majesty of the state must not be denied.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:40 PM (o3MSL)

180 167 Laurie David's Cervix at January 02, 2014 08:36 PM (kdS6q)

Not a nice try it was the way things were done pre VAT....

they use market rate averaging to calculate allowable per diem....they can do the same for charity care they don't because they want to buy votes with the healthcare gun to your head.
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Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:40 PM (TE35l)

181 O/T Just for ace, stuck in NYC blizzard. Ace track the snow plows when they start up! http://tinyurl.com/b2qmqaa

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:41 PM (0FSuD)

182 180 sven10077,

correction not PRE-VAT pre-AMT....

the AMT a tax designed to go after less than 200 people which now annually threatens millions.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:41 PM (TE35l)

183 maybe we can bring back using barbers. those guys what do fades and logos in the hair would be great at ambulatory surgeries.

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:42 PM (RLTt1)

184 Well, we all knew this was just a steaming pile of excrement waiting to befoul our swanky stompy boots, right? 

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 04:42 PM (8lmkt)

185 184 Well, we all knew this was just a steaming pile of excrement waiting to befoul our swanky stompy boots, right? Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 08:42 PM (8lmkt) I don't own any stompy boots, swanky or otherwise, but otherwise I agree wholeheartedly.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 04:43 PM (UAMVq)

186 the AMT a tax designed to go after less than 200 people which now annually threatens millions. and generates billions in taxes

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 08:41 PM (TE35l)


And we keep saying those politicians are all fools.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:44 PM (o3MSL)

187 I believe I hear plows now. I will have to look out the window.

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 04:44 PM (z4WKX)

188 184 Peaches at January 02, 2014 08:42 PM (8lmkt)

Pretty much.

If I did not ferverntly believe they will use the massive failure of this clusterfuck to enslave doctors and medical workers I would welcome it as a free market booster.....

if able I will pay out of my right pocket to get care hard.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:44 PM (TE35l)

189 No bowl thread, huh? Roll Tide, Roll!

Posted by: toby928© at January 02, 2014 04:44 PM (QupBk)

190 183 maybe we can bring back using barbers. those guys what do fades and logos in the hair would be great at ambulatory surgeries. Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 08:42 PM (RLTt1) Tooth extractions and amputations to go with that wet shave.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 04:44 PM (UAMVq)

191 Wait, what, Ace is stuck in a blizzard?  Now I'm upset.  What's he supposed to do, gnaw on frozen hobos?  What the hell is he even doing out of his apartment?  That's just crazy!

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 04:44 PM (8lmkt)

192 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 02, 2014 04:45 PM (Pr6hk)

193 Posted by: tangonine at January 02, 2014 08:29 PM (x3YFz) Actually I thought everyone paid into Medicare (for their eventual senior years). Medicaid is funded differently as I recall. But I confess I might not have this right as I am not in the medical field. Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 08:31 PM (o3MSL) You are correct. Medicaid is funded partly by the states and partly by the Federal Government(of course via our taxes). But no one pays directly to a Medicaid fund. It is reserved as a safety net for those who are under a certain income level and have no insurance. It funds poverty stricken adults and children and it funds nursing home care for elderly adults who have exhausted all of their assets. Medicare is a senior federal insurance program we are all forced to pay into that we become eligible to access for medical care payments when one becomes age 62. Even then, (I'm always amazed at how many older adults don't know this) you still will be paying Medicare premiums until you die...it is taken out of your Social Security check(which you also paid into). It also doesn't cover all medical costs, which is why many seniors purchased separate Medicare B plans, and then our wise Congress and George Bush came up with Medicare part D to cover prescriptions...which many seniors actually liked and it was the one program the govt. actually created that worked like it was supposed to do. Of course, Obamacare is wrecking these private plans and Medicare marches deeper and deeper into the debt hole while doctors keep getting fees cut so they are dropping out.

Posted by: Jen at January 02, 2014 04:45 PM (4t/Y9)

194 I believe I hear plows now. I will have to look out the window.

I did that once, that's when I saw the fnords.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 02, 2014 04:45 PM (JawqV)

195 when they intro'd obamacare in the townhalls, people laughed remember? and it shocked some of the congresscritters. remember to keep laughing at them where they can hear it. they dont listen to your complaints but they have easily wounded egos.

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:45 PM (RLTt1)

196 As a welfare caseworker (my specialty is retroactive Medicaid eligibility to cover hospital expenses in Philadelphia) I've seen the number of applications for ER visits jump through the roof, especially in the past year.  People go to the ER for things most of us would just treat with over-the-counter meds and bed rest if needed.  Individually the bills aren't really that big, but collectively the hospitals are losing a ton of money as most of those bills don't get covered by Medicaid (for one reason or another people don't qualify) and have to eat the bills themselves.

I suspect that a lot of those ER "frequent flyers" are being coached--show up with no ID and claim to be homeless.  From my application caseload alone you would think half of Philadelphia was penniless and sleeping on the streets, and that's just not true.  Another group driving up the costs are illegal aliens who use the ER for every little ache and pain--I swear half of Jakarta is living in South Philly and came here for treatment of chronic medical conditions, and every labor and delivery application I get is for yet another "anchor baby".

It doesn't matter if the specific Medicaid program is state or federally funded, because either way as taxpayers we pick up the tab.  And the cases I reject and the hospital eats?  Well, just look at your itemized bill the next time you go to the hospital--you don't really think rubber gloves and cotton balls cost $10.00 each, do you?  This system is broke and the last thing it needs is Medicare expansion or Obamacare; God help us if those fools in Washington manage to push through "immigration reform"....

Posted by: Jenk at January 02, 2014 04:45 PM (e2ysZ)

197 186 Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 08:44 PM (o3MSL)

Oh I seldom say they are idiot fools, I always try to imply they are diabolical asshole fools.

The AMT designed by Tax Avoider Teddy Kennedy to go after his guilty conscience I guess.....now nailing truck drivers, plumbers, and self-employed in many fields.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:46 PM (TE35l)

198 NDH - Must file this away for future use. __________ Oh, stick around. After a couple drinks, I won't proofread anything & then it gets good. I hate Autocorrect with a passion. I turn it off, and it comes to life on it's own - I think to mock me. As it is, I feel like I need to proof every syllable.

Posted by: shredded chi, a little happier than last year at January 02, 2014 04:46 PM (82LNv)

199 Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 08:44 PM (TE35l)

They will eventually have to enslave the doctors "for the children".  Those anchor babies aren't gonna birth themselves.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:46 PM (o3MSL)

200 @175 A lot of people come to the ER faking pain so they can score some free narcotics. Because of EMTALA you can't just turn a known frequent flier away at the door. I've also heard of homeless folks going to the ER and faking illness so they can get admitted, have a room for the night and a free meal God, that brings back memories. We had a family from FL, dad falls out at a Wal Mart, chest pains? Nothing, but the entire family hung around and spent the night and ate three meals. I came in the next morning to check on him. GONE. I think the family was traveling up the East Coast staying at hospitals each night. Of course, the County paid for everything he'd didn't have shit. I think half the people that showed up at the ER were Freq Flyers. One woman even knew her chart number.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:47 PM (0FSuD)

201 >>>>I believe I hear plows now. I will have to look out the window.

nope. Langoliers.

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:47 PM (RLTt1)

202 INT Sooners.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 04:48 PM (zDsvJ)

203 Carol I've had Cobra for 21 months was working every day 12 hr shifts as a clinical nurse manager when I was diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer. I had worked since high school and thought I would literally work til I died. I loved my job always have. I thank god for cobra and was glad to pay it and was blessed to have the money to do so. My chemo alone was $120,000! Radiation $25,000 and two hip replacements$ 100,000. I had health insurance my entire life and only used it twice each time to give birth to my children. There is a place for Medicaid and cancer is one of the diagnoses that should be an automatic for those in need none of this I'm sorry you don't qualify because you have $3 dollars too much in assets.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 04:48 PM (KuZ6A)

204 Posted by: Jenk at January 02, 2014 08:45 PM (e2ysZ)

So true, Jenk.  And the illegals are specifically exempted from 404care, so it will only get worse.  You have to pay for medical care?  You think before you go hysterical.  Someone else is paying?  Hell, we got nothin' going on tonight, let's go to the ER, they have cable tv.  The whole thing makes me SO MAD!!! 

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 04:48 PM (8lmkt)

205 Boomer Sooner!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 04:49 PM (zDsvJ)

206 Depressed.  Wondering why I even exist.

Posted by: The Affordable Care Act at January 02, 2014 04:49 PM (x/lJo)

207 You fscked up, you trusted us.

Posted by: Barry 'Otter' Soetoro at January 02, 2014 04:49 PM (Pr6hk)

208 OT How could Deblassio's (sp) reign as now mayor be valid if Billy Jeff has been disbarred?

Posted by: Infidel at January 02, 2014 04:50 PM (6bvBO)

209 203 Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 08:48 PM (KuZ6A)

4th the goal of the Medicaid/Medicare/HMOinization of medical care has been to force the middle class out of the middle class imho and to punish non union members of it.

I am glad you survived your cancer, a freer market would reduce costs for care IMHO and I would support a genuine annual baseline medical subsidy for the lower class to be able to spend ONLY on healthcare with the current Medicare system being shifted to a catastrophic risk pool.

The whole thing is a fucked up LBJ vote buying game

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 04:50 PM (TE35l)

210 GONE. I think the family was traveling up the East Coast staying at hospitals each night. Of course, the County paid for everything he'd didn't have shit. I think half the people that showed up at the ER were Freq Flyers. One woman even knew her chart number. Not surprising. You build a system like that and it's guaranteed people will game it.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 04:51 PM (UAMVq)

211 Wow Jenk, I do not envy your job. At all. Can I ask? Did working there turn you into an "evil rethuglikkkan" or were you always conservative?

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 04:51 PM (CozRk)

212 Of course, Obamacare is wrecking these private plans and Medicare marches deeper and deeper into the debt hole while doctors keep getting fees cut so they are dropping out.

Posted by: Jen at January 02, 2014 08:45 PM (4t/Y9)


Plus Obamacide has already stolen from Medicare to fund Obamacide, even though we are forced to contribute to Medicare at a flat rate (now a dual rate to steal more for Obamacide) for all our legal employment wages

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 04:51 PM (o3MSL)

213 The law of supply and demand always works, even in Soviet Russia. When the price of "health care" was zero (it was free in Soviet Russia), the supply 'disappeared' because there was an infinite demand at that price. As Uncle Miltie Friedman remarked when government creates a monopoly, the price goes up, and the quality goes down. So although the "price" if health care may be "free" to those on Medicaid and Medicare, the cost will go up in terms of what the government will pay, and the quality will go down. So how DOES the government pay for ever - increasing health care costs? Quantitative easing, $ e to x, where x is whatever Silly Sibelius and Hussein Obama Soetoro decide it should be.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 02, 2014 04:51 PM (dCwZe)

214 Depressed. Wondering why I even exist.

Posted by: The Affordable Care Act at January 02, 2014 08:49 PM (x/lJo)


Because, FAIRNESS, you racist asshole. 

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 04:52 PM (8lmkt)

215 What's all this talk about Cobra, that shit sucks. http://tinyurl.com/yv3925

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:52 PM (0FSuD)

216 Nip we used to have a frequent flier, diabetic that learned a certain complaint got you on a bed immediately and at least an overnight stay for observation which he turned into a weeks stay by being non-compliant with diet and running Glucose through the roof. We finally started doing EKGs on him in triage and he started using the hospital about a mile away. Lol they called us to tell us they knew what he was doing too.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 04:52 PM (KuZ6A)

217 Krystals!!!! nomnomnomnom



That reminds me...I wonder if the Navy hospital is still open on this base...

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 04:52 PM (+qUq2)

218 I'll take a bowl... of peanut m&m's

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 04:53 PM (2NfAC)

219 HEHEHEHEHEHEEEE How does the doc know it wasn't the dog dick mushroom which damaged her gallbladder?! Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 08:40 PM (DmNpO) ------ It was one shocking ugly mushroom. Dog dick with partial necrosis. If something evolved to be that shocking, it will probably fuck up just by standing downwind.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 04:53 PM (2hQRj)

220 206 Depressed. Wondering why I even exist. Posted by: The Affordable Care Act at January 02, 2014 08:49 PM (x/lJo) Here. Have some rope.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 04:53 PM (UAMVq)

221 Finally implementing the Grand Dreams of Socialists will burst a lot of pre-conceptions. Of Socialists. See, they're based on Happy Assumptions. That is, politically correct assertions, like 'Women don't lie about rape!' or 'Welfare doesn't encourage indolence!', things that are preferred statements but utter bullshit. Implementing their Grand Dreams merely allows Reality to prove itself. Whether Lefties admit it to themselves or not, the Happy Assumptions drop like flies. The real bloodletting comes in when they try to beat Reality into delivering the politically-correct outcomes they promised.

Posted by: --- at January 02, 2014 04:53 PM (MMC8r)

222 anybody got any bacons?  or weed?  actually, both would be super cool . . .

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 04:53 PM (8lmkt)

223 Posted by: Jenk at January 02, 2014 08:45 PM (e2ysZ) Jenk, Up until a few years ago when Blue Cross added $150 co-pay for ER visits unless they admitted you to the hospital, I know of people with insurance that would go to the ER for rashes, etc. This one person used to go to the ER every time she or one of her kids was sick. Now she makes an appointment with her doctor. People were using the ER because they didnÂ’t want to wait for an appointment. I had a hugely swollen leg in June. I could only get a four oÂ’clock appointment with my doctor and it would have been through Boston to the South Shore, which is a nightmare. I called and said I didnÂ’t think I would make it at four. My doctor told me to go to urgent care because she was concerned. I went & they took me five minutes too late. I needed an ultrasound to rule out a blood clot & they shut down the ultrasound machine a few minutes before that. That doctor sent me to the ER and I had to pay them and the $150 ER co-pay. I didnÂ’t have a blood clot and it took weeks to improve.

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 04:54 PM (z4WKX)

224
I had to use Medicaid. So I'm somewhat offended by some of the comments....
Posted by: joanne




So, now you're in favor of Federally managed mediocre heath-care paid for with government deficit spending.

Would you like a side of ethanol mandates and sugar quotas with that?


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 02, 2014 04:54 PM (kdS6q)

225 Not surprising. You build a system like that and it's guaranteed people will game it. Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 08:51 PM (UAMVq) So true. Twenty years ago I fought the city trying to put in a "homeless" shelter. I made the point, you give shit away, you attract people that want free shit. Then we had maybe 100 homeless drunks in town, now? Probably a 1000.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:55 PM (0FSuD)

226 Depressed. Wondering why I even exist.

Posted by: The Affordable Care Act at January 02, 2014 08:49 PM (x/lJo)




Yeah. So do we.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 04:55 PM (+qUq2)

227 >>anybody got any bacons? or weed? actually, both would be super cool . . .

do we fry it? no no no no
do we boil it? no no no no
fricassee it? no no no no

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:55 PM (RLTt1)

228 Of course medicaid patients go to the Emergency room. THAT was ever in doubt?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2014 04:56 PM (nzKvP)

229 And here's a photo of the most shocking ugly mushroom on earth. http://tinyurl.com/kdcdoao

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 04:56 PM (2hQRj)

230 6 It's a myth that preventative care substantially reduces health care costs. Of course this varies from disease to disease, but a lot of preventative care, for example the PSA test for prostate cancer screening, result in increased costs. Posted by: peej at January 02, 2014 07:46 PM (/2UVF) totally true but also a sacred cow

Posted by: Avi at January 02, 2014 04:56 PM (kcF49)

231 Speaking of the homeless field of dreams, nip sip, have you ever been to Austin? It's not freaking hobo Mecca.

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 04:56 PM (CozRk)

232 222 anybody got any bacons? or weed? actually, both would be super cool . . . Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 08:53 PM (8lmkt) *seconds the suggestion*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 04:56 PM (JpFMR)

233 222 anybody got any bacons? or weed? actually, both would be super cool . . . _________ My sister got some chocolate covered bacon for Christmas. I finally had a chance to try it. Better than it sounds. Probably would've been better if I were high.

Posted by: shredded chi, a little happier than last year at January 02, 2014 04:57 PM (82LNv)

234 Uh just it's. My phone added not.

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 04:57 PM (CozRk)

235 222 anybody got any bacons? or weed? actually, both would be super cool . . . Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 08:53 PM (8lmkt) Never used weed, but I'd share some bacon if I had any.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 04:58 PM (UAMVq)

236 Sven thanks I survive every day I'm. Stage 4 now been that way 18 months have an oncologists that's working miracles for me and others. Sometimes the backwaters end up with the best docs due to the slower pace. We are certainly blessed. I would give the cancer back just to be able to go back to what I love and would gladly pay for the FSA as well. Perspective often changes when the big C is on the books. Thanks again. Let me know if you and mrs are ever back down this way again we'll take you guys to dinner.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 04:58 PM (KuZ6A)

237 http://tinyurl.com/62cptu

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 04:58 PM (RLTt1)

238 Weed wrapped in bacon? Would you smoke it or eat it?

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 04:58 PM (+qUq2)

239 @216 Everyone must have the same damn scammers. We have a FF diabetic, Cherokee. Went up in the truck and she was listening to her scanner to know when we got there. She knew the regulars, but was very suspicious of me. The guys asked her if she want to walk to the truck like usual, or get on the dolly. She looked at me and said dolly. The Cherokees have the bad diabeetes.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 04:59 PM (0FSuD)

240

Wait.  This administration grossly misjudged the situation and then lied about it. 

Never.

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at January 02, 2014 04:59 PM (Pr6hk)

241 Weed wrapped in bacon? Would you smoke it or eat it?

Yes!

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 04:59 PM (8lmkt)

242 238 Weed wrapped in bacon? Would you smoke it or eat it? Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 08:58 PM (+qUq2) Yes.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (JpFMR)

243 okay, wait, someone is offended by "some of the comments?"  we need to try harder, horde. 

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (8lmkt)

244 Dammit peaches

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (JpFMR)

245 but a lot of preventative care, for example the PSA test for prostate cancer screening, result in increased costs. == My dr told me something like that about mammograms - too many false positives.

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (GSIDW)

246 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 08:58 PM (KuZ6A)



Stage four. I wish I didn't know what that means. I hate cancer like Red Sox fans hate the Yankees. God bless you 4th Horseman.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (+qUq2)

247 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 08:48 PM (KuZ6A) Fourth Horseman, You do not have insurance working as a nurse? I had breast cancer in 2002 and have no idea how much it cost for the surgery, radiation & chemo. I wasnÂ’t registered for my account at BCBS. Are you clear of it now?

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (z4WKX)

248

We're from the government and we're here to help.

Posted by: Ronaldo Magnus at January 02, 2014 05:00 PM (Pr6hk)

249 222 anybody got any bacons? or weed? actually, both would be super cool . . . Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 08:53 PM (8lmkt) ----- Got macaroni and cheese, and beer. But I might be lying about the macaroni and cheese just to lure you here.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 05:01 PM (2hQRj)

250 Peaches where the fuck you been lol.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:01 PM (KuZ6A)

251 According to the prior pot thread, just the fact we are talking about pot makes us all potheads.

Posted by: NCKate at January 02, 2014 05:01 PM (Auy5s)

252

But access to contraception you guys.  And the middle class.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 02, 2014 05:02 PM (Pr6hk)

253 251 According to the prior pot thread, just the fact we are talking about pot makes us all potheads. So that explains why I just ate a large bag of Doritos?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 05:03 PM (0FSuD)

254 a lot of preventative care, for example the PSA test for prostate cancer screening, result in increased costs.

Let me tell you something about "increased costs."  I will now be paying for birth control, maternity care, pediatric muthafuckin' dental and, while I don't know for sure, probably the ever popular "gender reassignment" surgery (also known as the addadictomy).  I'm a 62 year old woman with no children who has not had secks with other people in more years than I care to cop to.  Increased costs?  I hope everyone I pay for gets a raging case of herpes.  In their mouth.  At least I'd feel better about the costs.

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:03 PM (8lmkt)

255 GGE - How was the weather through Tenn.?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 05:03 PM (aDwsi)

256 251 According to the prior pot thread, just the fact we are talking about pot makes us all potheads. Posted by: NCKate at January 02, 2014 09:01 PM (Auy5s) I've been called worse.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 05:03 PM (JpFMR)

257 Now is the time to pass comprehensive immigration reforms.

Posted by: Typical RINO Consultant at January 02, 2014 05:03 PM (Pr6hk)

258 You do not have insurance working as a nurse?

 Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 09:00 PM (z4WKX)



Both my sisters are nurses. It's amazing how crappy the health insurance plans are for health care professionals.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:03 PM (+qUq2)

259 I'm hearing Ezra Klein is leaving Wapo. Perhaps those digs he was taking at Ocare finally caught up with him.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 02, 2014 05:04 PM (oFCZn)

260 I have no problem whatsoever with people who find themselves out of a job in this horrible economy, using Medicaid because they have lost their insurance. That's what the safety net was designed to do. I hope your situation improves in the coming year, Joanne.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 05:04 PM (P6QsQ)

261 @231 Never been to Austin, but I'll bet San Diego has them beat for homeless.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 05:04 PM (0FSuD)

262 Got macaroni and cheese, and beer. But I might be lying about the macaroni and cheese just to lure you here.

Posted by: UWP at January 02, 2014 09:01 PM (2hQRj)


when I was in prep school, I had an exemption so I did not have to eat mac and cheese.  I would rather eat road kill.  gack!!

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:04 PM (8lmkt)

263 Fuck you Sandy.  Post menopause, I don't need maternity, prenatal or prostate coverage.

Posted by: Infidel at January 02, 2014 05:04 PM (6bvBO)

264 #203...Amen...I'm glad more folks don't have your experiences but anyone who has, should be taken care of at the best ability of this country along with vets and kids.

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 05:05 PM (ahBY0)

265 Villager = bullshit Heh. I just thought it was a euphemism well beyond my pay grade.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 02, 2014 05:05 PM (WX3R9)

266 I'll bet San Diego has them beat for homeless. Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 09:04 PM (0FSuD) Well at least the weather is nice

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2014 05:05 PM (nzKvP)

267  I'm a 62 year old woman with no children who has not had secks with other people in more years than I care to cop to... ________ How you doin'?

Posted by: shredded chi, a little happier than last year at January 02, 2014 05:05 PM (82LNv)

268 So that explains why I just ate a large bag of Doritos?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 09:03 PM (0FSuD)



Krystals!!!!



GGE - How was the weather through Tenn.?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 09:03 PM (aDwsi)



It started spitting snow just after Knoxville, nothing heavy and nothing sticking, it was all gone back to rain by the time I got to Nashville. Somewhere between Nashville and Jackson the sun started peeking out.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:06 PM (+qUq2)

269 bored, with the baby until like midnight, so watching gallipoli.

its about running

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 05:06 PM (RLTt1)

270 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 02, 2014 08:45 PM (Pr6hk) Mitch, We believe it is the hill to fight on. ThatÂ’s why if I think he has a chance I might try to give some $ to Bevin. I know the Hollyweird crowd is giving tons of money to Grimes. Is KY Conservative?

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 05:06 PM (z4WKX)

271 Carol am retired now worked for great company with 9 hospitals . They take good care of me as long as I use one of their facilities I am only out $ 50 and that's if I have a CT scan the cobra continues my Humana plan. No I have never been in remission but if you looked at me you would never know I am stage 4 a good doc makes all the difference as well as the attitude what can I say I'm a Moron.lol

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:07 PM (KuZ6A)

272 The fact is, every government entitlement becomes an industry.

Posted by: --- at January 02, 2014 05:07 PM (MMC8r)

273 Well at least the weather is nice Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 02, 2014 09:05 PM (nzKvP) That's what draws them in. They sleep just about everywhere. They closed all the Krystals in CLT, boo.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 05:07 PM (0FSuD)

274 God bless you and keep you whole, Fourth Horseman.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 05:08 PM (P6QsQ)

275 "Never been to Austin, but I'll bet San Diego has them beat for homeless. Posted by: Nip Sip" You have no idea. I'd get accosted daily on the way to class by someone begging for spare change. 'Cause college students are just loaded with extra spending money.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 02, 2014 05:08 PM (080XV)

276 259 Dack Thrombosis at January 02, 2014 09:04 PM (oFCZn)

I bet he is going to  OFA or the actual Administration....

if not there's always slate right Matty Yglesias?

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (TE35l)

277 Is KY Conservative? We're politicizing lube now?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (UAMVq)

278 The fact is, every government entitlement becomes an industry. Posted by: ---
------------

That

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (aDwsi)

279 >>>Is KY Conservative?

ky always struck me as more "I'll do for myself, thanks". cussedly independent, IOW

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (RLTt1)

280 O/T If you look real closely, you can see ace standing on the sidewalk. http://tinyurl.com/9qbrhdu

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (0FSuD)

281 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 09:07 PM (KuZ6A)

Yes, God bless, darlin' . . . you are on the patented peaches prayer list, as of now.  {{{{{}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (8lmkt)

282 Fourth Horseman, IÂ’m sorry you progressed to Stage 4. I had hoped you had caught it early. Carol

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (z4WKX)

283 Thanks Grammie will do.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (KuZ6A)

284 They closed all the Krystals in CLT, boo.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 09:07 PM (0FSuD)



Nearest one to home is in Pooler GA. I started seeing them in TN but by the time I got hungry I didn't see them any more. Imagine my delight to find one in Millington!

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:09 PM (+qUq2)

285 Is KY Conservative?

Yes, but AstroGlide votes straight D every time.

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:10 PM (8lmkt)

286 The fact is, every government entitlement becomes an industry.

Posted by: --- at January 02, 2014 09:07 PM (MMC8r)


For both the administrators and the recipients.


And the working stiffs pay for the both of them!  Good thing it's a tax, right John Roberts?

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 05:10 PM (o3MSL)

287 Add me to the praying team. So sorry to hear what you're going through, Fourth Horseman.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 05:10 PM (zDsvJ)

288 285 Peaches at January 02, 2014 09:10 PM (8lmkt)


takes notes furiously

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:11 PM (TE35l)

289 TD Sooners!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 05:11 PM (zDsvJ)

290 But access to contraception you guys. And the middle class.
They give you access to the middle class? You busy girl.

Posted by: AlGore at January 02, 2014 05:11 PM (Ua6T/)

291 Hey guys I'm 55 and still get out on the ATV with hubby almost everyday here in the mountains so put away the worlds tiniest violin I'm blessed and I mean that.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:11 PM (KuZ6A)

292 Fourth Horseman,

Wife and I will be praying for you I was unaware it had gone to stage 4.

I wish you the best of health.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:12 PM (TE35l)

293 I always thought KY was pretty hot. http://tinyurl.com/qc6whnw

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 05:12 PM (0FSuD)

294 BTW, fuck cancer.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 05:12 PM (zDsvJ)

295 175 A lot of people come to the ER faking pain so they can score some free narcotics. Because of EMTALA you can't just turn a known frequent flier away at the door. I've also heard of homeless folks going to the ER and faking illness so they can get admitted, have a room for the night and a free meal. Again, you can't just refuse them, you at least have to give them a screening examination which takes time and resources away from people who are actually sick. Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 08:38 PM (UAMVq) Repealing EMTALA would go a long way towards curbing some of these ER shenanigans.

Posted by: rickl at January 02, 2014 05:12 PM (sdi6R)

296 Speaking of Pooler, Jane D'oh is still AWOL, no?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 05:12 PM (aDwsi)

297 291 Hey guys I'm 55 and still get out on the ATV with hubby almost everyday here in the mountains so put away the worlds tiniest violin I'm blessed and I mean that. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 09:11 PM (KuZ6A) I admire your attitude in the face of adversity. Bless you.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 05:12 PM (UAMVq)

298 Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 09:12 PM (zDsvJ)

Can I get an "Amen!" on that?

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 05:13 PM (o3MSL)

299 296 Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 09:12 PM (aDwsi)

Mrs. D'oh is scarce I miss several other of our posters as well....I hope all are warm and safe.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:13 PM (TE35l)

300 I haven't seen Jane since she went to the inlaws for Christmas. Maybe she landed in jail.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (P6QsQ)

301 Hobittopoly, don't you love how all the hobos have better computers than the college students? I swear there's some sort of technology for the homeless program going on around here. It makes the "college student or homeless " game much more difficult. Professor or hobo is already impossible.

Posted by: Lauren at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (CozRk)

302 God Bless Fourth Horseman...

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (ahBY0)

303 ahhhhh.... *pats full belleh*



save the rest of them for brekky tomorrow.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (+qUq2)

304 Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 08:50 PM (TE35l) LBJ & The Great Society really screwed us up, didnÂ’t he? Teddy K did a lot of damage too with his 1965? bill for adding illegals.

Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (z4WKX)

305 296 Speaking of Pooler, Jane D'oh is still AWOL, no? Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 09:12 PM (aDwsi) Gone since Christmas correct? I figure she's facing multiple murder charges for killing her liberal in-laws.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (oFCZn)

306 300 I haven't seen Jane since she went to the inlaws for Christmas. Maybe she landed in jail. Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 09:14 PM (P6QsQ) Or her head exploded.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 05:14 PM (UAMVq)

307 "9 He never promised you a rose garden.

Posted by: Zeke Emanuel at January 02, 2014 07:46 PM (aVcgy)"



No, but he did promise me a free unicorn and I am getting damned pissed off waiting for it to arrive.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at January 02, 2014 05:15 PM (BcCwi)

308 Posted by: Carol at January 02, 2014 09:14 PM (z4WKX)


But I am sure their intentions were good!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 05:15 PM (o3MSL)

309 " but a lot of preventative care, for example the PSA test for prostate cancer screening, result in increased costs."

Diagnosed at age 54.

Still cancer free after surgery to remove the offending little bastard.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 02, 2014 05:16 PM (GcYmn)

310 294 BTW, fuck cancer.

yup.

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 05:16 PM (RLTt1)

311 Carol, Mr.Bevins has had Bitch McConnell throw a lot of money at negative ads against him. He seems to be a good guy saw an interview on Glenn Beck with him. Grimes as the democrap is trying to present herself as something she is not, as in famously shooting a gun without any idea about gun safety. Hilarity ensued here in the mountains because we know our guns and much fun was made of her. My money is going to Blevins!

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:16 PM (KuZ6A)

312 304 Carol at January 02, 2014 09:14 PM (z4WKX)

they built a bomb....

Tedster spiked Nixon's stab at a national HMO like BarryCare for the same reason Democrats Borked Miguel Estrada and destroyed Sarah Palin.....
firsts HAVE to be Doneky

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:16 PM (TE35l)

313 Lynn Stewart got released,  I hope she DIAF.  What a sick administration.

Posted by: Infidel at January 02, 2014 05:17 PM (6bvBO)

314 310 294 BTW, fuck cancer. I am good with that.

Posted by: The Chicken at January 02, 2014 05:17 PM (0FSuD)

315 It's still really easy to see that even the basics of the healthcare.gov site are being poorly addressed:

http://gtmetrix.com/reports/healthcare.gov/9guitjDz

Posted by: scottst at January 02, 2014 05:17 PM (BZJk3)

316 I figure she's facing multiple murder charges for killing her liberal in-laws.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 02, 2014 09:14 PM (oFCZn)




Time to spring into action roonz and roonettez! We need a research team on this STAT!!! Find out where she's being held and how much bail is. Next we need a fundraiser. Last, does anyone have the phone number for that lawyer guy, the one that wrote the book that is always being hawked on the gun threads? Time is short people, let's MOVE!!!

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:18 PM (+qUq2)

317 Damn autocorrect it's Bevins.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:18 PM (KuZ6A)

318 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 09:11 PM (KuZ6A)

No tiny violins, girl.  Just lots of love and prayers and well-wishes.  We stand by our own here.  Armed, if need be.


Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:18 PM (8lmkt)

319 What a sick administration. They're not an administration. They're a fucking rebellion against the United States of America.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 02, 2014 05:18 PM (V3kRK)

320 Tedster spiked Nixon's stab at a national HMO like BarryCare for the same reason Democrats Borked Miguel Estrada and destroyed Sarah PalinÂ… Been reading more about the Nixon era lately, I had no idea how liberal he was, or how like Barack Obama. Obama was a community organizer, sees every problem in those terms. Nixon started his political career in the Office of Price Administration, saw every problem in terms of price controls, which he enacted good and hard.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 02, 2014 05:19 PM (WX3R9)

321 #309...heart attack age 58...never went to the doc with good insurance...i was a dumb ass.

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 05:19 PM (ahBY0)

322 "Professor or hobo is already impossible. Posted by: Lauren" LOL! Our favorite thing to do was to buy 'em a "favorite" fraternity or sorority T-shirt. Really spruce up the old wardrobe!

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 02, 2014 05:19 PM (080XV)

323 319

coup

but we need a junta, maybe

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 05:19 PM (RLTt1)

324 313 Lynn Stewart got released, I hope she DIAF. What a sick administration. Posted by: Infidel at January 02, 2014 09:17 PM (6bvBO) Treasonous, or sympathetic to traitors. She deserves to die in prison.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 05:20 PM (UAMVq)

325 BC you need to send Jane an E-mail see if she's still alive or see how fast we need to scrape up bail money.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:20 PM (KuZ6A)

326 I haven't seen Jane since she went to the inlaws for Christmas. Maybe she landed in jail. **** HA! That's EXACTLY what I thought when I read comment #296

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 02, 2014 05:21 PM (DmNpO)

327 She deserves to die in prison.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 02, 2014 09:20 PM (UAMVq)




Yeah, but fire is a good substitute.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:21 PM (+qUq2)

328 Been reading more about the Nixon era lately, I had no idea how liberal he was, or how like Barack Obama. If that bugs you, then don't read up on Teddy Roosevelt's going around the bend after his world tour.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 02, 2014 05:22 PM (V3kRK)

329 Sugar Bowl Trading touchdowns

Posted by: grammie winger at January 02, 2014 05:22 PM (P6QsQ)

330 Teddy Roosevelt once remarked that America has no stomach for empire. Methinks he had the Emperor all picked out.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:23 PM (+qUq2)

331 but we need a junta, maybe I ask please that you get the terminology right. This administration is in rebellion against the United States of America. When the burning starts, that should tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 02, 2014 05:23 PM (V3kRK)

332 Obama was a community organizer, sees every problem in those terms. Nixon started his political career in the Office of Price Administration, saw every problem in terms of price controls, which he enacted good and hard.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

Just remember there is no GOP Establishment, and even if there were, it knows better how to expand the Federal government.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 02, 2014 05:24 PM (dwArK)

333 Last, does anyone have the phone number for that lawyer guy, the one that wrote the book that is always being hawked on the gun threads? Time is short people, let's MOVE!!! Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 09:18 PM (+qUq2) That dude has gone off the deep end on twitter. All he does is scream at trolls now. 325 BC you need to send Jane an E-mail see if she's still alive or see how fast we need to scrape up bail money. Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 09:20 PM (KuZ6A) I'll send one to her now.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 05:24 PM (JpFMR)

334 320 Stephen Price Blair at January 02, 2014 09:19 PM (WX3R9)

If you want to know where the Rovian GOP thinks Paradise is you simply look to Richard Nixon.

The left hated Nixon because he nutpunched their caucus' fissure points like a virtuoso and who knows had Alan Moore's Watchemen been the real history of America maybe it'd have worked out......Nixon did a wonderful job of fracturing their caucus by knowing just when to hit and to what limit to shut them the fuck up.

The problem is you'd need a Nixon to be President 'til 1984 at least.

I would no more want King Richard the Dick than I like King Barry the SCOAMF I tend to favor Reagan.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:24 PM (TE35l)

335 BTW, fuck cancer.

yup.

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 09:16 PM (RLTt1)



Like a Red Sox fan hates the Yankees...

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:24 PM (+qUq2)

336 321 #309...heart attack age 58...never went to the doc with good insurance...i was a dumb ass. --- Mr Y-not is at that age when I really wish he'd pay more attn to his health. I don't want to nag him into misery, but I want him around a long long time. Getting older is hard. Men and women seem to react so differently to aging. Even after ~30 yrs of marriage, I find myself unsure of how best to handle some things.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 05:25 PM (zDsvJ)

337 http://tinyurl.com/l2syggx

Next up, sharia law.  Thanks CA!

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 02, 2014 05:25 PM (0It32)

338 I'll send one to her now.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 09:24 PM (JpFMR)


Oh, send her smooshes from me, please??  I love that girl.

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:26 PM (8lmkt)

339 That dude has gone off the deep end on twitter. All he does is scream at trolls now.



Yeah, I'd noticed that. I don't check Twitter much, but when I do there's always an entire line of that.

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:26 PM (+qUq2)

340 Just remember there is no GOP Establishment, and even if there were, it knows better how to expand the Federal government. Collectivism has been the "in" thing for over a century in this country now. It's not compatible with the constitution, and that means everyone commenting here was born into a great big fucking lie.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 02, 2014 05:26 PM (V3kRK)

341 I worked on Nixon's '72 campaign. I don't feel a twinge of guilt. He was better than McGovern.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 05:27 PM (zDsvJ)

342 Also about 404Care from that other site: "Nearly 150 employees, ranging from doctors to nurses and administrators, havenÂ’t been paid in nearly a month"

Let me pass on what I was told:  You don't work a month, a week, or a day, without pay.  The moment your employer can't make payroll is the moment you walk out the door and begin looking for another job.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 02, 2014 05:27 PM (kxSZr)

343
Re Jane D'oh

Send lawyers, guns, and money...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (aDwsi)

344 ONT up.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (zDsvJ)

345 @337 Is it just me, but does the illegal alien lawyer look the Ghey?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (0FSuD)

346 Next up, sharia law. Thanks CA!

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 02, 2014 09:25 PM (0It32)


don't be ridiculous . . . we have gay marriage (even on the Rose Parade itself) and little kindergarten children who are confused about their gender may now decide which bathroom they want to use, regardless of what they're packin' down there.

Posted by: Peaches at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (8lmkt)

347 And, this will get worse. Obamacare will limit access and freedom to pretty much everything medical related, hence, everyone will need to wait months, years to see a doctor, or get special care. The lines will be forming around the block at the emergency wards. And, "yay" say the left. Yay for inhumane treatment for all.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (IXrOn)

348 And in health news, listening to Gregorian chant can lower blood pressure, stress and anxiety so crank up that spiritual music that has a history of hundreds and hundreds of years. :^) http://tinyurl.com/mbhg9dg

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (BC6cY)

349 Anybody in my area knows that most doctors avoid taking on medicaid patients, so they go to the emergency. Also, some of them are too ignorant to realize that before 10 o'clock at night it would be simpler for them to go to an urgent care facility. If you already have a family doctor and you end up on medicaid because of some change in your circumstances, your doctor will keep you, but they won't take new medicaid patients. This is the problem with gubmint healthcare, doctors don't like being dictated to by bureaucrats with high school diplomas, or even GEDs. One actually told me this. My suspicion is that with gubmint getting more involved in medicine, the best and the brightest will go into other fields and we will be stuck with the kind of people who used to not be able to get into medical schools. Ya know, third stringers.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (RxVu7)

350 ONT!!!

Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (+qUq2)

351 341 Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 02, 2014 09:27 PM (zDsvJ)

No doubt, my dad and grandfather voted for him Y-not...

I myself being 4 months old at the time decided to sit it out.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:28 PM (TE35l)

352 Mike, we should be able to assemble a defense team of Morons.

Posted by: NCKate at January 02, 2014 05:29 PM (Auy5s)

353 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 09:16 PM (KuZ6A)


Hope this doesn't turn out to be like Virginia where McAulifful attacked, smeared, and lied about Cuccinelli for months, while the GOP-e yawned.

Bitch is on the big government payroll, so he'll get plenty of funding for negative ads against Blevins.  I just hope Blevins will have the resources to respond with something.  Cuccinelli just didn't have enough funds to combat the McAulifful lies until way too late in the game (the shutdown probably didn't help due to all the federal leeches in Northern VA either), but I saw personal destruction in full swing here and expect Bitch will be a willing participant in it in KY.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 05:29 PM (o3MSL)

354 This is one situation where everyone on both sides of the issue know about the lies. The supporters all know they're using lies. They want it all to go bad.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 02, 2014 05:30 PM (4/o9U)

355 Peaches {{{{ hugs}}}}} thanks. Thank you Horde the hilarity and great political discussions keep me amused and I love you all for what you do here and for letting me join in.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:31 PM (KuZ6A)

356
He was better than McGovern.

Posted by: Y-not

EPA, wage and price controls, withdraws from Vietnam, hires thugs for political operations ...

What exactly would McGovern have done differently?

Further, what would McGovern have done that would have been beneficial to the Dem's prospects 10 years after?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 02, 2014 05:31 PM (dwArK)

357 You can't make this stuff up ... PRAGUE/GAZA - The Palestinian envoy to Prague was 'deliberately killed', his daughter alleged on Thursday, a day after he died in a mysterious explosion after opening a safe in his residence. Czech police said the blast that killed ambassador Jamal al-Jamal might have been caused by mishandling an explosive securing the safe. They said they were not treating it as an attack or a terrorist incident.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 02, 2014 05:31 PM (e8kgV)

358 Yeah, I'd noticed that. I don't check Twitter much, but when I do there's always an entire line of that. Posted by: GGE of the Traveling Horde, Inroute at January 02, 2014 09:26 PM (+qUq2) He lost it with @redsteeze (who I've thought was a pretty good guy) last night. Just really nasty.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 05:31 PM (JpFMR)

359 heart attack age 58...never went to the doc with good insurance...i was a dumb ass.

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 09:19 PM (ahBY0)


So I have ten or more years before my first heart attack, good to know. 

Posted by: cm9000 at January 02, 2014 05:32 PM (3qZbZ)

360 Sponge, docs and nurses can't walk out it's called patient abandonment and you will lose your license for it.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 02, 2014 05:32 PM (KuZ6A)

361 GGE - Near-blizzard conditions here now. Your timing was good.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 05:32 PM (aDwsi)

362 #336...I'm mad at myself because if I just went for checkups I might just need a pill or 2...now a bunch morning and night with the thought of a repeat or worse every day...all you young ball players pay attention...

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 05:33 PM (ahBY0)

363 358 BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 09:31 PM (JpFMR)

I'm sorry I missed it BC who melted down on redsteze, I have been absent on twitter over the Holiday....


Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:33 PM (TE35l)

364 29 well, why should i make an appointment for weeks from now, when i can just go to the ER and be seen now? After all, I lead a busy life - gotta get my EBT card refilled with my free moola and then head over to the convenience store to load up with Powerball / Megamillions tickets!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at January 02, 2014 05:33 PM (HsTG8)

365 So I have ten or more years before my first heart attack, good to know.

Posted by: cm9000

-----------

Yeah..., but that makes some of us past due.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 05:33 PM (aDwsi)

366 If that [NixonÂ’s leftism] bugs youÂ… It doesnÂ’t bug me so much as make me appreciate Reagan that much more.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 02, 2014 05:34 PM (WX3R9)

367 Ah Law of Self Defense?>

I dunno I am not a huge follower of the guy in detail...

I'll look into it, wonder if he was getting mass trolled or something and just handled it poorly?

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:35 PM (TE35l)

368 Off and on I do translating at nearby hospitals, mostly in the ER. To get the (govt) job I had to sign an interesting non-disclosure agreement. I can yap all I want to about the most intimate details of a patient's life and condition, I guess, since they don't say anything about that. But I cannot say anything about immigration status or about how the patient "pays." I think it's strange that the main concern for "privacy" here is not to protect the dignity of the patient, but to keep the tax-payer in the dark. Oh....who am I kidding? Not strange at all. Standard procedure for our ruling class.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 02, 2014 05:36 PM (dfYL9)

369 -----------Yeah..., but that makes some of us past due.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 02, 2014 09:33 PM (aDwsi)



The law of averages is a fearful master.

Posted by: cm9000 at January 02, 2014 05:36 PM (3qZbZ)

370 #359...pup...go get checked...I read a thing once that if you get to 60 you're all right.

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 05:37 PM (ahBY0)

371 One of the reasons I'm not an ER Doc anymore is because we were getting saturated more and more with medicaid patients that literally cursed and spit at you if you didn't give them narcotics or whatever they wanted and I literally told Admin that when OCare went into effect our patient census was going to double or triple with people waiving figurative OCare cards screaming, "You have to see me I have ObamaCare!". Did admin care? No. They cut funding for the ER. Another reason is I'm goddamn sick to death of assholes telling me how some dumbass doctor somewhere fucked them over while they are asking me for a diagnosis or a script. Insult me and then tell me what lying assholes all doctors are is a sure fire way to fire up my falling level of compassion. If you've never worked in an ER you have no idea what people are like. I have also literally been coding someone and had the trauma door open with a strange patient sticking their head in saying they really need to get going are you busy I have a pain in my whatever. Fuckit.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 02, 2014 05:39 PM (CoA38)

372 They said they were not treating it as an attack or a terrorist incident.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 02, 2014 09:31 PM (e8kgV)


Sounds like "workplace violence" to me!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 02, 2014 05:39 PM (o3MSL)

373 #365...hammer time

Posted by: dumbartist at January 02, 2014 05:40 PM (ahBY0)

374 "33 Obama care was sold partly on being able to eliminate the free riders. (I hear a lot about those here on this and other topics)

But that never works unless you're prepared to deny care for those who cannot pay.


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 02, 2014 07:53 PM (LSDdO)"



Actually, you don't have to be that ruthless.  My modest proposal is a government health loan program which like student loans and child support cannot be discharged by bankruptcy.  If you need medical treatment that you cannot afford and you have no insurance, you simply sign the form and the government will pay for that treatment. 



From then on, until you have repaid the loan, the government will automatically take 20% of your income, either out of your paycheck or directly from your bank account.  You don't need to do a thing.  It is that convenient.  If you die before the loan is entirely repaid, your children are not stuck with the bill.  They can have whatever is left of your estate after it has been auctioned off and applied to the loan.



Or, you could buy health insurance.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at January 02, 2014 05:40 PM (BcCwi)

375 ONT go BOOM!?! or KABOOM!?!?

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 02, 2014 05:46 PM (TE35l)

376
Been reading more about the Nixon era lately, I had no idea how liberal he was, or how like Barack Obama.




There was a reason Reagan thought long and hard about running against him in 1968.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 02, 2014 05:55 PM (kdS6q)

377 Johnsons Baby Oil also produced a "negro like" tan. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at January 02, 2014 06:05 PM (jucos)

378 I was in a pharmacy last year and a lady perhaps around 30 years old  (you can guess the race) was asking the pharmacist for assistance picking out some medication for her "sore throat".  The pharmacist said it could be strep and she should go have it checked out by a doctor and there was an Urgent clinic right around the corner where she could get checked out.  But what does the lady do? She says she'll call "da ambuhlantz" because it will take her right to the ER since she had government insurance and they pay for all for that.  So she pulled her smart phone out of her Gucci purse and called 911.  A few minutes later, the ambulance and a fire rescue crew showed up, checked her out and took her away.

It took me a while before I could get my jaw off the floor.

Posted by: lilliew at January 03, 2014 09:12 AM (+pyyc)

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