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February 27, 2014

Daniel Hannan: Yeah, About the National Socialist Workers Party
— Ace

Great piece from @rdbrewer4 in the sidebar.

Hannan's goal is not prove that the left harbors secret Nazi sympathies. His point is rather more nuanced:

To be absolutely clear, I donÂ’t believe that modern Leftists have subliminal Nazi leanings, or that their loathing of Hitler is in any way feigned. ThatÂ’s not my argument. What I want to do, by holding up the mirror, is to take on the equally false idea that there is an ideological continuum between free-marketers and fascists.
The idea that Nazism is a more extreme form of conservatism has insinuated its way into popular culture. You hear it, not only when spotty students yell Â“fascistÂ” at Tories, but when pundits talk of revolutionary anti-capitalist parties, such as the BNP and Golden Dawn, as Â“far RightÂ”.
What is it based on, this connection? Little beyond a jejune sense that Left-wing means compassionate and Right-wing means nasty and fascists are nasty. When written down like that, the notion sounds idiotic, but think of the groups around the world that the BBC, for example, calls Â“Right-wingÂ”: the Taliban, who want communal ownership of goods; the Iranian revolutionaries, who abolished the monarchy, seized industries and destroyed the middle class; Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who pined for Stalinism. The Â“Nazis-were-far-RightÂ” shtick is a symptom of the wider notion that Â“Right-wingÂ” is a synonym for Â“baddieÂ”.
One of my constituents once complained to the Beeb about a report on the repression of Mexico's indigenous peoples, in which the government was labelled Right-wing. The governing party, he pointed out, was a member of the Socialist International and, again, the give-away was in its name: Institutional Revolutionary Party. The BBCÂ’s response was priceless. Yes, it accepted that the party was socialist, Â“but what our correspondent was trying to get across was that it is authoritarianÂ”.
In fact, authoritarianism was the common feature of socialists of both National and Leninist varieties, who rushed to stick each other in prison camps or before firing squads. Each faction loathed the other as heretical, but both scorned free-market individualists as beyond redemption. Their battle was all the fiercer, as Hayek pointed out in 1944, because it was a battle between brothers.

It's very difficult to capture any country's politics in the short-hand you use for your own. For example, do you know who the "bad guys" were to the French Revolutionaries?

Well, the monarchy, of course, and the aristocrats, obviously, and the priests, eventually. But there was a fourth villain despised by those of the French Revolution:

Liberals.

Yes, liberals. Because economic liberals had convinced Louis Capet to reduce the mandates and restrictions on trade in grains (that is, they convinced him to let the farmers sell to foreign buyers at the best price they could find).

This proved unpopular, because, as bad luck would have it, France was hit with a few cold seasons of crop failures just before the French Revolution, and Parisians got very angry about paying more for bread under the new liberalized selling regime. The French farmers were selling French grain to the British, you see, and French bread went up in cost, as the new cost was set not by Louis Capet's ministers but the free market. (And the price of bread was a major factor in sparking the Revolution, but there were a set of about four major factors.)

Treason!

The concept of liberalizing economics and freedom became discredited, and liberals were among the enemies of the Revolution.

When the Revolution went into its decapitation frenzy, those damned farmers and bakers refusing to sell their wares for below cost were explicitly charged with economic treason (hoarding), and beheaded.*

Now, it is common for people to immediately analogize all parties in a foreign country with their "analogues" -- not really their analogues, thus the scare-quotes -- from the country they know, their own.

Everyone does this. At first. But as your read more and understand more, you realize that another nation's politics cannot be reduced the easy-peasy lemon-squeezey third grade level template you began with.

But reporters keep on doing it, don't they? And they claim to be "experts" in the subject matters they report on.

The media does this because they are imbeciles. They ought to know better than to pretend that the politics of any country tracks with the American (or British) models.

In fact, they were probably told a dozen times that they shouldn't do this, as it's false.

But they do it anyway. Because they're shamefully partisan and not-terribly-secretly propagandists for leftism.

They refuse to label any bad-acting regime as "socialist" or "communist," even when they are clearly that (and even when it says that right on the tin), and instead insist on referring to all Baddies as Right-Wing.

When anarchists destroy property in the US, they are referred to as "anarchists" and "anti-globalists" -- never "the far left."

When Occupy Wall Street gets a little stinky and embarrassing, they are "anti-capitalists." Never the "far left," and certainly not "extreme liberals."

But all violent regimes are called rightwing, even the ones that are expressly leftwing.

As Hannan explains, they just say that the nice good leftwing government because shamefully Rightwing when it crushed the opposition and murdered dissidents. (Even when they're crushing opposition and murdering dissidents in the service of redistributing wealth!)

Because you know -- leftwing governments hardly ever do that, except for always. Only rightwing people do that, so if it happens, you know what you're dealing with is a rightwing government.

Real the whole piece. The beginning bit, which I didn't excerpt, constitutes his proof that the Nazis were indeed socialist.

* In the interests of accuracy, I should note that the beginning of the French Revolution contained liberals on the revolutionary side. And it also contained a lot of priests on the revolutionary side, too. It contained aristocrats. Hell, it even contained a member of Louis Capet's royal family, his cousin, the Duke of Orleans (Philippe "EgalitÃ©," he would style himself, calling himself an equal, not a lord-- but he did keep his property).

In fact, it contained a lot of monarchists on the revolutionary side -- people like Lafayette (IIRC) supported a constitutional monarchy, like Britain's, not an all-powerful sovereign.

But as the grim, bloody logic of the Revolution continued (as almost all revolutionary regimes do), each of these once-allies were deemed enemies, and either forced to flee or brought to Place de la Revolution to have their heads deducted from their bodies' heights.

Posted by: Ace at 10:32 AM | Comments (298)
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1 This isn't Karl Urban!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 10:34 AM (4cA6A)

2 Case in point, Lee Harvey Oswald. They still won't admit he was a commie.

Posted by: Infidel at February 27, 2014 10:35 AM (cojT9)

3 The secret to success-- Bread and toilet paper. If the money is starting to get used as toilet paper--that's trouble.

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2014 10:35 AM (RJMhd)

4 So, Nazi's and Liberals are related by way of their relationship within the weasel family.

Am I reading that correctly?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 27, 2014 10:35 AM (DPkKe)

5 This isn't Karl Urban!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 02:34 PM (4cA6A)

Nor is it true sweater puppies!

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2014 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)

And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Command economy writ large.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) Est. 1836 at February 27, 2014 10:38 AM (LJpVo)

"It's very difficult to capture any country's politics in the short-hand you use for your own. For example, do you know who the "bad guys" were to the French Revolutionaries?"

Yeah, the French.

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (xWW96)

8 My friends, we have nothing to fear with this fellow in the Chancellery.

Posted by: Juan McCain at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (Kkt/i)

9 As has been said here many times, the left had better pray we are not the subhuman monsters they claim us to be. Because if we were.......

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (xZxMD)

10 *crickets*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (GjPnA)

11 Hannan lost me at "the Left has no Nazi leanings."

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (tyz5J)

12 The left has captured the language using the MFM and have had for a LONG time. I would say since FDR made war on them and created the FCC so he shutdown those who disagreed with him.

So what we find is Nazis were right wing despite the fact that they even had "Socialist" in their name. And they were "liberal" despite the fact that they were anything like the original liberals.

They apply the same thing to the term that most people here use and I despise; and that is "crony capitalism". That applies to a politician (but only on the right) who steers money and buisness to companies owned by their friends and contributors. This crap is pure corruption and has nothing to do with capitalism. Which is why when you hear me refer to it, it is "crony corruption" despite which aisle you sit in.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (T2V/1)

13 NAZIS aren't right-wing??!! This flies in the face of some of my most deeply held beliefs, so therefore - I deny this reality, and substitute my own.

...and I forthwith ban you from my internets.

I bid you Adieu.

Posted by: Chubbles Jhosnon at February 27, 2014 10:39 AM (J6JcG)

14 These are people who still cling to the Rosenberg's innocence, and that the CPUSA was 'just a political party'. To them, all history is pre-Venona Papers release.

Posted by: phreshone at February 27, 2014 10:40 AM (Q6pxP)

15 Continuum says it all. The part of the toilet paper you did not cram up the crack of your ass - because it was the part you were hoping would keep cack off your fingers - is the good end of the dirty toilet paper continmuum. Ya know...

Posted by: M. Murcek at February 27, 2014 10:40 AM (GJUgF)

This is going one of two ways:

Individual freedom vs. total government despotism.

An old Chinese proverb used to say: "The Emperor is far away..."

Now the Emperor is reviewing your fucking IPhone messages. Scary times indeed. The left continues to attack everything that is individual freedom. Look at the fights we are having now.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 27, 2014 10:40 AM (tVTLU)

17 All things belonging to the state is only a conservative idea if you look like Louis XIV and even he couldn't pull it off.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 10:41 AM (6bMel)

18 I read that earlier, and loved it. Not just because I love the term "incandescent" when referring to anger. Watching a few commenters who seemed to be unaware of the fact that they were the ones Hannan referenced in the article, come in and call it all tosh and then get their asses handed to them was icing on the cake.

Posted by: Heralder at February 27, 2014 10:41 AM (/Mxso)

19 I just don't know what to think about this. Where is jwest the resident rectal think tank to set us straight?

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2014 10:42 AM (xWW96)

20 Many years of lies can become truth.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 10:42 AM (4cA6A)

21 NAZIS aren't right-wing??!! This flies in the face of some of my most deeply held beliefs, so therefore - I deny this reality, and substitute my own. ...and I forthwith ban you from my internets. I bid you Adieu. You're a shitty photographer. Somebody had to say it. Posted by: Chubbles Jhosnon at February 27, 2014 02:39 PM (J6JcG)

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2014 10:42 AM (CJjw5)

22 Indeed, besides the uniforms and goosestepping, what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left?

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 10:42 AM (tyz5J)

23 Yet even many of those on the right refer to "Nazi" as being extreme right, notwithstanding the fact that the term is the diminutive of National Socialism.

They screw us, and we help.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 27, 2014 10:42 AM (BZAd3)

24 what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left?

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 02:42 PM (tyz5J)

Only degrees of "success."

Posted by: Juan McCain at February 27, 2014 10:43 AM (Kkt/i)

25 Hey Ace, do you know why both Socialists and Nazis wear big watches? (I keed, I keed)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 10:43 AM (g4TxM)

26 B . . .bu . . . but ReichWing and RightWing are so cromulently clever in juxtaposition!

Posted by: The OccuPooper Dictionary at February 27, 2014 10:43 AM (BAS5M)

27 One has to remember also that right wing/left wing in Europe are not the same as they are here.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (T2V/1)

28 Off topic--but, Ace and others--where is a person to go to get news, actual news, not opinion, on breaking world events like the Ukraine? I've been skipping around getting bits here and bits there and it is getting ridiculous. My next stop is German and British websites. Don't know if they are any better. This is not a complaint about Ace of Spades, which I love, just a question--where is the hard news anymore?

Posted by: Emily at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (7Rn+/)

29 Indeed, besides the uniforms and goosestepping, what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left? Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 02:42 PM (tyz5J) ---------------------------------- Their work ethic.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (CJjw5)

30 Oh yeah, the MSM is all over the place with definitions that do not apply from country to country. Saudi Arabia, for instance is ruled by a 'conservative' regime. Which is exactly like American conservatives. I could sit here for an hour and type the differences and never get tired. It's all subliminal messaging on the MSM's part.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (CnA98)

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2014 02:42 PM (CJjw5)

What? You didn't appreciate the many interesting fence posts , empty beaches, and bicycle spoke shots. You didn't purchase a calender?

Posted by: maddogg at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (xWW96)

32 This was written in 1993 The German social insurance and health care system began in the 1880s under Bismarck. Ironically, it was part of BismarckÂ’s Â“anti-socialistÂ” legislation, adopted under the theory that a little socialism would prevent the rise of a more virulent socialism. By the time of Weimar, German doctors had become accustomed to cooperating with the government in the provision of medical care. The reforms of the Weimar Republic following the medical crises of World War I included government policies to provide health care services to all citizens. Socially minded physicians placed great hope in a new health care system, calling for a single state agency to overcome fragmentation and the lack of influence of individual practitioners and local services. The focus of medicine shifted from private practice to public health and from treating disease to preventable health care. During the German Â“economic consolidationÂ” of 1924-1928, public health improved under new laws against tuberculosis, venereal disease, and alcoholism, with new advisory centers for chemical dependency and counseling bureaus for marriage and sexual problems. Medical concerns which had largely been in the private domain in the nineteenth century increasingly became a concern of the state. The physician began to be transformed into a functionary of state-initiated laws and policies. Doctors slowly began to see themselves as more responsible for the public health of the nation than for the individual health of the patient. http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/national- health-care-medicine-in-germany-1918-1945#axzz2uYMWjoaK

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (RJMhd)

33 Yep,somehoiw the hardcore communists in Russia have become the "far right".

Posted by: steevy at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (zqvg6)

34 I think the media confuses Conservatives, people who want strict limits on government, and people who are conservative, those that want people to be chaste and moral and change to move slowly.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (hn70M)

35 Here ya go ladies : http://tinyurl.com/ofgx669

I'm a giver.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 27, 2014 10:44 AM (hn70M)

36 The most amusing arguments against the Nazis being socialists are that the Nazis were authoritarian, militaristic, and nationalistic. As if those terms could never be applied to socialists. Mao, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, the Kim dynasty. No,no no; they are different somehow.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 27, 2014 10:45 AM (IN7k+)

37 Try telling a lefty that the Norks are commies.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 10:45 AM (XUKZU)

38 The left also hates the independent Jews (Israel) but loves them some plantation Jews here in the states....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 27, 2014 10:45 AM (gOoFi)

39 ...To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one deniesÂ—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 27, 2014 10:46 AM (DErq5)

40 health-care-medicine-in-germany-1918-1945#axzz2uYMWjoaK

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2014 02:44 PM (RJMhd)

And, as everyone knows, history never repeats.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 27, 2014 10:46 AM (BZAd3)

41 The romancing of the opponents of Franco in the Spanish Civil War is also a bit troubling. It didnt help that Hitler was on his side.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 10:46 AM (DAevm)

42 12 They apply the same thing to the term that most people here use and I despise; and that is "crony capitalism". That applies to a politician (but only on the right) who steers money and buisness to companies owned by their friends and contributors. refer to it, it is "crony corruption" despite which aisle you sit in. Posted by: Vic at February 27, 2014 02:39 PM (T2V/1) ------------------ I call it "crony socialism" when a politician/govt is involved. When two businesses collude on their own (without govt) to, say, fix prices, you could call it "crony capitalism."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 10:47 AM (dfYL9)

43 I have a fool proof method of determining who is a true socialist.

Did the regime wind up with millions dead? If so then socialist.

Nazis Y
Stalinist Y
Pol Pot Y
Mao Y

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 10:47 AM (XUKZU)

44 Yep, and you know who has been the best at getting this idea out in the marketplace of idea in recent years -- Glenn Beck. Beck is one of the few who have pushed this idea.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif)

45 EOJ, you and Maddog are deliberately ignoring groundbreaking shadow effects on some of those weeds. Philistines.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 10:47 AM (6bMel)

46 I thought it was understood the reason nazis are considered "right wing" is because the old french legislature... Third Republic, I think, the nazis were seated on the right wing. To the right of the conservatives, and the commies of course, were all the way on the other side, on the left.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

History belongs to those who re-write it.

Unless we make sure they don't.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2014 10:48 AM (ZkzmI)

48 It's just a shame that absolute monarchies and dictatorships (think ancient Rome) have gotten such a bad rap when so few countries have progressed to the point that they can sustain a representative republic. I'm a big fan of the position that the wealthy should fulfill their historical role and take command of less developed societies until the point that they can govern themselves. It would be a learning experience to see how the country the Koch brothers ruled faired compared to the Soros kingdom.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2014 10:48 AM (u2a4R)

"I am good, and I consider myself on the Left; therefore the Left must always be good."

And there is the nuance of sub-sophmoric thinking.

To acknowledge that people can be on your political side of an issue and yet still be bad people is the subtle type of thinking that is developed in, say, the ninth grade. To acknowledge that every political issue may involve tradeoffs and not be just "good vs. bad" is the kind of mental nimbleness associated with high school juniors.

Unfortunately, it is hard to get this through the minds of those who start off with the position in the first sentence of this comment. and by hard I mean impossible.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 10:48 AM (hLRSq)

50 "The French rebels hated Liberals" ----------- So true, so true...

Posted by: Guillotined Robespierre Zombie at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (aDwsi)

51 29 Indeed, besides the uniforms and goosestepping, what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left? Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 02:42 PM (tyz5J) One created a symbol to rally around.. Oh. One strives to indoctrinate the children in their beliefs.. Oh One had children singing songs praising the Fuhrer.. Oh

Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (MtC8f)

52 Did the regime wind up with millions dead? If so then socialist. Nazis Y Stalinist Y Pol Pot Y Mao Y Abortionist Left in the US -- Y

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (tyz5J)

53 What's a hundred million sacrificed for the creation of communal good?

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (Q6pxP)

@36 The most amusing arguments against the Nazis being socialists are that the Nazis were authoritarian, militaristic, and nationalistic. As if those terms could never be applied to socialists. Mao, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot, the Kim dynasty. No,no no; they are different somehow.

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When I was in high school, I had a substitute teacher try to convince the class that the Soviets were just like us because they had a president.

He, of course, neglected to mention that the General Secretary of the Communist Party is where the true power lay in the USSR.

The militarism of Communist nations gets dismissed because "they have to defend themselves against those imperialist colonial powers in the West." And the nationalism, which usually takes the form of some variant of blatant racism, is almost always ignored.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (UWFpX)

55 Authoritarianism is not right-wing. Or left-wing. Authoritarianism is just what every govt does when the peasants won't fall in line.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (ZPrif)

56 But....but....Right-wing teabaggers have the same traits as Nazis!!! Socially conservative, nationalistic and raaaaacist!!!!! THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED WINGNUTS!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 10:49 AM (4cA6A)

but ReichWing and RightWing are so cromulently clever in juxtaposition!

This never amused me.

Posted by: Robert Reich at February 27, 2014 10:50 AM (A0sHn)

58 The French?

They're pussies.

Posted by: Russell Ziskey at February 27, 2014 10:50 AM (hn70M)

59 And I adore the word jejune.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 10:50 AM (4cA6A)

60 This is why I hate the right-left-centrist paradigm. There is no extreme right wing. I can only be for freedom and liberty 100%. I suppose beyond that would be anarchy which I am not in favor of. It's a sliding scale. On one side is freedom and as you take more and more away, you are becoming statist/socialist/communist all the way to totalitarianism. We have to start thinking this way.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 10:50 AM (olDqf)

61 >>> I thought it was understood the reason nazis are considered "right wing" is because the old french legislature... Third Republic, I think, the nazis were seated on the right wing. To the right of the conservatives, and the commies of course, were all the way on the other side, on the left. during the revolution, Robespierre and his Commune-ist allies at on the left wing, and the "right wing" people, monarchists, constitutional monarchists, plain old liberals, sat on the right. There were no "Nazis" at this stage of history. Those on the right just weren't extreme left-wing. The ones sitting on the right wing of the hall (can't remember which one) were actually *revolutionaries* themselves.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2014 10:50 AM (/FnUH)

62 Godwin's Law is just another mutation of-- Shut Up!

Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2014 10:51 AM (RJMhd)

63 Philistines. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 02:47 PM (6bMel) ------------------------------ I don't need a lecture on composition from a filthy Zionist occupier who- Oh... you said "PHIListines." Never mind.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, at February 27, 2014 10:51 AM (CJjw5)

64 >>>I call it "crony socialism" when a politician/govt is involved.
When two businesses collude on their own (without govt) to, say, fix prices, you could call it "crony capitalism."

I disagree. If businesses engage in price fixing without the assistance of the government, it is a problem, but it becomes a problem on a whole new level when the government helps or protects them. "Crony Capitalism" describes a situation where a governmental actor is involved.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 27, 2014 10:51 AM (IN7k+)

65 A lie can get half way around the world while the truth is putting on it's shoes.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 27, 2014 10:51 AM (32Ze2)

66 Yep, Saudis, who run a socialist theocracy -- are conservative.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 10:52 AM (ZPrif)

67 Indeed, besides the uniforms and goosestepping, what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left? Hygiene.

Posted by: garrett at February 27, 2014 10:52 AM (G2iZT)

68 everything is relative. socialists are to the right of communists. barely.

Posted by: X at February 27, 2014 10:52 AM (KHo8t)

69 In the way back, when I taught a college German History class, I was told to NOT emphasize the "socialist" part of the "National Socialists," but rather to describe it as a feint to draw in left-wing voters in the 1932 election.

Posted by: RS at February 27, 2014 10:52 AM (YAGV/)

70 Yeah, but can they make the high speed trains run on time?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 10:52 AM (g4TxM)

61 -

I'm talking about post-WWI, pre-WWII.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 10:52 AM (TOk1P)

72 He's wrong about one thing,the modern left damn well would send us to the camps(will) if they ever get the opportunity.

Posted by: steevy at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (zqvg6)

When I was at university, I graphically displayed political positions on a graph, with individual autonomy on the X axis and popular support on the Y axis. The resulting image was nearly a circle. The extreme right (junta) and the extreme left (communism) were nearly touching.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (ZkzmI)

74 We have to start thinking this way.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 02:50 PM (olDqf)

That's an excellent way of seeing the political world.

I will now be calling it my own.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (QFxY5)

75 Many years of lies can become truth. Posted by: DangerGirl One has to remember also that right wing/left wing in Europe are not the same as they are here. Posted by: Vic Taken together, this is how people in this country, sometimes called "The Low Information Voter" are made to believe things that are not true. "Nazism" was ALWAYS Right-wing, and that's how it was always taught, or sold or whatever, even though Hitler himself said that if you scratched a Bolshevik (in Germany) you found he was a Brownshirt underneath, and if you scratched a Brownshirt, he was a Bolshevik underneath. Left-Right in any of the conventional sense means nothing. The whole notion of "Left-Right" was the seatting arrangement in the French House of Deputies (parliament) and their political leanings.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (RFeQD)

76 Oh yeah and the Nazi's hated Commies, just like the Reich wingers due. Point. Proven.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (4cA6A)

77 32---- Medical concerns which had largely been in the private domain in the nineteenth century increasingly became a concern of the state. The physician began to be transformed into a functionary of state-initiated laws and policies. Doctors slowly began to see themselves as more responsible for the public health of the nation than for the individual health of the patient. http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/national- health-care-medicine-in-germany-1918-1945#axzz2uYMWjoaK Posted by: tasker at February 27, 2014 02:44 PM (RJMhd) ---------------------------- Yes. I just read Lifton's book, The Nazi Doctors, a couple of months ago. The stage was set before Hitler.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (dfYL9)

78 We had to beheadthem...for the children. //Lucky Pierre The French Revolution is to the American Revolution like social justice is to justice

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2014 10:53 AM (TE35l)

79 70 Yeah, but can they make the high speed trains run on time? Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 02:52 PM (g4TxM) If it's filled with Jooz or these days conservatives, hell yes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 10:54 AM (olDqf)

80 BurtTC I hope you were being ironic, in putting 1930s German Nazis in the 1790s French National Assembly.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 27, 2014 10:54 AM (WaedO)

81 The term socialism is also a term that the leftists have corrupted. As defined by the man who invented it socialism is an intermittent step between capitalism and communism.

Put more simply; under socialism the government takes your money in some form of taxes and redistributes it as needed for all. In communism the government owns everything and gives you a little of it back to live on.

Common to both systems the government apparatchiks and Party leaders get the skim of the creme off the top before giving it back in small pieces.

Under the other relative of communism/socialism the government owns nothing but regulates the hell out of every thing telling you how you can operate your business. That is fascism.

We started going Fascist first regulating a lot of shit in a benign way. The in the progressive era we started going socialist. Under FDR a huge portion of the econmoy had become socialist. LBJ completed that conversion. By the end of the LBJ/Clinton era we are almost 100% socialist.

Obama is completing the conversion now so we move out of the intermittent area and into the communist government.

And one thing to keep in mind, it takes an all powerful government to implement socialism with a mixture of fascism. It takes a complete dictator to implement communism. There has never been a government that was communist that was not run by a dictator.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 10:54 AM (T2V/1)

82 Due? WTF is with my brain-finger continuum?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 10:55 AM (4cA6A)

83 74 We have to start thinking this way. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 02:50 PM (olDqf) That's an excellent way of seeing the political world. I will now be calling it my own. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 27, 2014 02:53 PM (QFxY5) Full disclosure: I stole this from, of all people, Glenn Beck. He's dead balls on.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 10:55 AM (olDqf)

84 So does this mean me and Obama are good guys or bad guys?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 27, 2014 10:55 AM (S+el1)

85 Another problem is that speaking of the nazis being on the Left or on the Right really has no place at all in the normal political idiom of Left and Right. Nazis, Commies, Marxists, Fascists and so forth are so far off of the normal scale that they aren't even in the same species of normal politics. They are truly alien to the normal politics that is used to describe Left and Right here in the United States. Calling someone a Nazi or Marxist who isn't actually a real Nazi or Marxist only serves to fog things up.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 10:55 AM (hLRSq)

86 Mr. CEO, you can work with me, or you can face my friends to the left of me.

Please, extortion is such an ugly word. I prefer coersion or community organizing.

Posted by: Barack Mussolini at February 27, 2014 10:55 AM (Q6pxP)

87 My old High School history teacher, "Chicken Legs" Ingram, told us that the only difference between Hitler and Stalin was the shape of their mustaches.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 10:55 AM (XUKZU)

88 The truth is there hasn't been a powerful free market party in Europe in a long time, I mean a long time. The Nazi's were famous for putting up huge trade barriers, they seized companies, used deficit spending for public works projects (Autobahn).

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (WdbF7)

89 77 Margarita DeVille, The fusion of communications technology and medical science has not led to a happy place. The political class has hubris enough to think they can control every activity in their realm. Evil needs rapid communication.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (TE35l)

Huh.

I read the headline and thought this was about Daryl Hannah.

Posted by: --- at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (MMC8r)

91 The right-left wing schtick has been contorted beyond any original meaning. Left wing = communism. Right wing = fascism. They both had a commom enemy the used widely in their writings.. capitalism and the individual liberty that made it possilbe. Lack of historical understanding and the distortion of the meaning of the words, be it intentional or simply shifting generational meaning, does no justice as to what it original relates. Give me liberty and capitalism. It's worth the risks.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (QpIfk)

92 Imagine, for a moment, spending one full day with a Leftist. How many things Do you or Say in a day that a Leftist would disapprove? A lot, yes? From the car you drive to the food you eat to the radio show you listen to, just to start. The Leftist would Hate you for what you do in a day. And they might even rat you out. Am I right? Now tell me, the Left aren't Nazis?

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (tyz5J)

93 Crony capitalism does not have to be corrupt. Competitors of Standard Oil used alleged monopoly violations to break up Standard Oil when they could not provide the same service and price.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (DAevm)

94 87 My old High School history teacher, "Chicken Legs" Ingram, told us that the only difference between Hitler and Stalin was the shape of their mustaches. Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 02:55 PM (XUKZU) "Jean has a long mustache. Repeat. Jean has a long mustacheÂ…"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (olDqf)

95 When anarchists destroy property in the US, they are referred to as "anarchists" and "anti-globalists" -- never "the far left." Anarchists were assassinating and blowing up people in the 19th and 20th century. People were afraid of them and rightfully so.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 27, 2014 10:56 AM (6Nj7A)

96 Jonah Goldberg said that Stalin placed Nazis on the right. Because Moscow envisioned a world in which there was one big workers' paradise (with Moscow as its center), any group which wanted to pursue the same goals, but with local control/leadership was to the right of the Soviets.

And what good lefty is going to argue with the wisdom of Stalin.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 27, 2014 10:57 AM (IN7k+)

97 This phenomenon also explains why, while Nazis are correctly perceived to be the evil that they were and are, Communists are let off the hook despite their blood- and horror-filled history. A person who proclaimed himself a Nazi and wore a Hitler T-shirt would be shunned by decent people everywhere. But a college student wearing a Che Guevara T-shirt and listening to Rage Against the Machine is an "idealistic youth".

Posted by: rickl at February 27, 2014 10:57 AM (zoehZ)

98 Robespierre went out screaming like a bitch.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Rachel Corrie Martyr Brigades at February 27, 2014 10:57 AM (CJjw5)

80 -

Ummm, no. I'm not talking about the 1790s. Ace is talking about the 1790s.

The french had a legislature, during the Third Republic (the 1920s-30s, check the exact dates, I don't have it in front of me). In that legislature, there were nazis. And commies.

That was the seating arrangement. Nazis on the right, commies on the left. That's where the designation came from.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 10:57 AM (TOk1P)

100 "... those damned farmers and bakers refusing to sell their wares for below cost were explicitly charged with economic treason (hoarding), and beheaded."

Of course, nothing like this could or will ever happen in America.

Instead, the economically treasonous who refuse to comply with government _diktat_ in the marketplace will simply have their property and businesses expropriated, and their persons punitively imprisoned.

Far more humane and progressive than decapitation, I'm sure we can all agree. So glad to have left those erroneous Old World ways behind us.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 10:58 AM (gqT4g)

101 I don't have a mustache.... I have a beard.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at February 27, 2014 10:58 AM (Q6pxP)

102 Did the price of bread in France just go up? Or, were people starving to death because they couldn't afford it? When that happens, shouldn't the government step in to make sure people don't starve to death? I do remember something about the fwench revolutionaries killing farmers for hoarding grain.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 27, 2014 10:58 AM (6Nj7A)

103 97 Posted by: rickl at February 27, 2014 02:57 PM (zoehZ) I only have but two fists and there are just too many faces to punch.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 10:58 AM (olDqf)

104 42 I call it "crony socialism" when a politician/govt is involved.
When two businesses collude on their own (without govt) to, say, fix prices, you could call it "crony capitalism."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 02:47 PM (dfYL9)

I call it a felony. That also has nothing to do with capitalism because capitalism requires competition.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 10:59 AM (T2V/1)

105 I had a hardcore lefty ask me why we on the right admired Putin so much. I blinked several times and asked him where he ever got that crazy idea. He said (paraphrasing) that, well, we seemed to be "rooting" for him when he was making Obama his bitch over Syria. and we just HAD to love Putin for his anti-gay laws and stuff, right?

Posted by: Frank Black at February 27, 2014 10:59 AM (YmPwQ)

106

Robespierre went out screaming like a bitch.

The mistake was not lying him facing up, so he could watch the blade fall.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2014 10:59 AM (ZkzmI)

107

Please, extortion is such an ugly word. I prefer coersion or community organizing.

And if you mention extortion again Ill have your legs broken.

Posted by: Mayor Carmine DePesto at February 27, 2014 10:59 AM (BAS5M)

108

iirc, according to The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, the titular Horst Wessel, immortalized in the Nazi anthem of the same name, was considering switching from the Nazis to the Communists before he was killed.

Also ironically, there were quite a few people in Europe who joined the Nazis or the Communists specifically because they knew that one of the groups was bad and the other group was the only one actually fighting against them.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2014 11:00 AM (UWFpX)

109 lulz @ worker's paradise more like worker bees paradise, like in China drones

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:00 AM (tyz5J)

110 Robespierre went out screaming like a bitch. Better than being cut by a bitch while in the tub!

Posted by: Jen-Paul Marat at February 27, 2014 11:00 AM (G2iZT)

111 "Jean has a long mustache. Repeat. Jean has a long mustache The chair is against the wall. The dog likes his doghouse....

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 11:00 AM (xZxMD)

112 Best example of the difference between crony capitalism and capitalism is the transcontinental RR funded by the government but built by private companinies and the transcontinental RR Great Northern financed by JJ Hill.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 11:00 AM (DAevm)

113 "The physician began to be transformed into a functionary of state-initiated laws and policies."

::: leans forward intently :::

Tell me more.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at February 27, 2014 11:01 AM (gqT4g)

114 64 "Crony Capitalism" describes a situation where a governmental actor is involved. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 27, 2014 02:51 PM (IN7k+) ------------------ If a government actor is involved it is socialist in nature, hence "crony socialist." In capitalism, private agents and the market (not govt) determines economics. In socialism, political power decides. So all collusion between govt and business is socialist.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 11:01 AM (dfYL9)

115

Actually in some ways I find things like Hannan's piece torture. Because so, so understated. And the gratuitous, baseless, "to be sure"s like that the left has no Nazi characteristics, included, one senses, merely out of politeness.

Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato.

A favorite slogan of the original fascists (Italy). If my numbskull brother ever again lets slip his 60s idiocy associating fascism with "corporations" etc., I'm going to drop that one on him - not that I expect him to be able to gain from it.

We're so far beyond recognizably American that the creepy stuff is beyond keeping track of. One that stands out however is the use of "anti-government" by idiot authoritarians and even the more clueless "centrist" pundits (didn't whatshisname Gerson use this term is one of his notable recent jaw-dropping columns of nonsense?).

Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 11:01 AM (afQnV)

116 Best example of the difference between crony capitalism and capitalism is the transcontinental RR funded by the government but built by private companinies and the transcontinental RR Great Northern financed by JJ Hill.

Posted by: Wayne Storm

Excellent example. Great Northern never went bankrupt.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2014 11:01 AM (ZkzmI)

117 Nice ace. This has always put a burr under my ass. Nazi were socialist, but don't tell socialist that. Also, NEVER mention Hitler was a vegetarian.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 11:01 AM (0FSuD)

118 @75 Ribald Conservative riding Orca "..even though Hitler himself said that if you scratched a Bolshevik (in Germany) you found he was a Brownshirt underneath, and if you scratched a Brownshirt, he was a Bolshevik underneath." To bolster your statement, I just finished re-reading Hayek's "Road to Serfdom" and highlighted the main points. He mentioned that Hitler was publicly saying "nazism and marxism are essentially the same" even as late as 1942.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 27, 2014 11:01 AM (QpIfk)

119 The French Revolution is to the American Revolution like social justice is to justice.

adjective justice == !justice;

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 27, 2014 11:02 AM (4QSOR)

120 And for the third time, Hitler was heavily into the occult; not at all a Christian.

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:02 AM (tyz5J)

121 101 I don't have a mustache.... I have a beard. Posted by: Barry Soetoro at February 27, 2014 02:58 PM (Q6pxP) Yes you do, mogul boy.

Posted by: Valere, your Iranian Presidental advisor at February 27, 2014 11:02 AM (0FSuD)

122 Nice ace. Happy Ace. Little Ball of Fur.

Posted by: garrett at February 27, 2014 11:02 AM (G2iZT)

123 111 "Jean has a long mustache. Repeat. Jean has a long mustache The chair is against the wall. The dog likes his doghouse.... Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 03:00 PM (xZxMD) Marie is in the kitchen.

Posted by: RS at February 27, 2014 11:02 AM (YAGV/)

124 What leftists really refuse to acknowledge is that that American Progressivism during that time period lined up very closely with nazism. Eugenics wasn't something that Hitler invented.

Posted by: Lauren at February 27, 2014 11:03 AM (hFL/3)

125 The difference between National Socialists and the usual old socialist/communists has nothing at all to do with right/left wing. The Nazis in a twisted sense were patriotic (and of course felt the need to prove their superiority over the lesser peoples they saw over their borders, leading to conquest. Regular old socialists have no sense of loyalty except to their fellow travellers around the world whose definition, and for the most part existence, lies entirely inside the head of the socilaist. If blood is required to get their way they'll spill it, but they much rather convince us all that the mature, peaceful thing to do is hand our sovereignty to the UN and let it redistribute all the wealth.

Posted by: Methos at February 27, 2014 11:03 AM (hO9ad)

126 Marie is in the kitchen. ...with Dinah.

Posted by: garrett at February 27, 2014 11:03 AM (G2iZT)

127 Blessent mon cÂœur d'une langeur monotone.

Posted by: RS at February 27, 2014 11:04 AM (YAGV/)

128

Nice ace. This has always put a burr under my ass.

Nazi were socialist, but don't tell socialist that.

Also, NEVER mention Hitler was a vegetarian.

And an Art Student.

Posted by: --- at February 27, 2014 11:04 AM (MMC8r)

129 Marie is in the kitchen. and is a little bit country.

I'm a little bit rock 'n roll.

Posted by: Donnie at February 27, 2014 11:05 AM (Q6pxP)

130 "Jean has a long mustache. Repeat. Jean has a long mustache

The chair is against the wall. The dog likes his doghouse....
Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 03:00 PM (xZxMD)

Marie is in the kitchen.

Junkie in the alley with a baseball bat.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 11:05 AM (XUKZU)

131 National Socialism vs International Communism Fight!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 11:05 AM (ZPrif)

132 Wound my heart with a monotonous languor.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 27, 2014 11:05 AM (BAS5M)

133 >>>Did the price of bread in France just go up? Or, were people starving to death because they couldn't afford it? When that happens, shouldn't the government step in to make sure people don't starve to death? I do remember something about the fwench revolutionaries killing farmers for hoarding grain. ... it went up, yeah. As far as "starving" -- some were pretty starvy, most just had to pay more. Paris has always had problems with food supply. It had a lot of poor folks, and a lot of low-paid laborers. The farmers (really the bakers) weren't hoarding grain, exactly. Due to an economic manipulation (a socialist one) which I will not explain (though I explained it before), bakers were being required to sell bread at a LOSS, paying farmers in gold coil, but being paid themselves in increasingly-worthless state paper called assignats. When they would slow down their sales in hopes that the assignat would rise in value (and thus make their labors either profitable or at least break-even), they were accused of economic terrorism and beheaded.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2014 11:05 AM (/FnUH)

134 Speaking of sidebar...

Days with the same headlines and then a firehose blast makes for difficult reading.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 27, 2014 11:05 AM (XKKNz)

135 128 And an Art Student. Posted by: --- at February 27, 2014 03:04 PM (MMC8r) He liked dogs and small children...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (olDqf)

136 But reporters keep on doing it, don't they? And they claim to be "experts" in the subject matters they report on. Yes, they claim such, but that is for the most part quite false. If you don't believe me, read some articles from "journalists" regarding something you have indepth knowledge of. Were they factually correct, or did they make errors? This is different than articles written by people with subject knowledge. They're just authors, and not journalists per se.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (1hM1d)

137 93 Competitors of Standard Oil used alleged monopoly violations to break up Standard Oil when they could not provide the same service and price.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 02:56 PM (DAevm)

Competitors of Standard Oil used the Government to break up Standard Oil. That is NOT capitalism. If any of those were friends of Teddy Roosevelt then it was corruption. If not, then it was Fascism.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (T2V/1)

138 Johann hat einer grosser Schnurrbart.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (g4TxM)

139 Nice ace. This has always put a burr under my ass. Nazi were socialist, but don't tell socialist that. Also, NEVER mention Hitler was a vegetarian. And an Art Student. As long as he wasn't a theater major.....

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (xZxMD)

140 calling himself an equal, not a lord-- but he did keep his property

He'd be right at home amongst the 21st-century limousine leftists.

Posted by: HR at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (ZKzrr)

141 Beck really has been the most effective principled popularizer of these ideas in the past decade.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 11:06 AM (ZPrif)

142 Also, Lenin and Stalin labelled pretty much everyone that didn't agree with them "right wing" including the Nazis - and this was feed to the western world via their useful idiots, and it has remained entrenched today (with the aid of the current useful idiots in the media, arts, academia, and politics).

Posted by: RomneyBot since 2007 at February 27, 2014 11:07 AM (EvEIZ)

143 Every time one of you ignorant pecker heads put a long link in the comments you blow up the size of the comments and it makes it pretty fucking hard for people on smartphones to read said comments. My data connection to the world is limited to this tiny screen because times are a little tough in my neck of the woods. So fucking please show a little consideration assholes

Posted by: NativeNH at February 27, 2014 11:07 AM (ol6Bk)

144 He liked dogs and small children... Well, who doesn't?

Posted by: Harry Reid at February 27, 2014 11:07 AM (G2iZT)

145

128 -

And an "undocumented" immigrant.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 27, 2014 11:07 AM (TOk1P)

146 But as the grim, bloody logic of the Revolution continued (as almost all revolutionary regimes do), each of these once-allies were deemed enemies, and either forced to flee or brought to Place de la Revolution to have their heads deducted from their bodies' heights.

RINO's ?

Sorry if that's already been done. I just crawled out from under my rock.

Posted by: eleven at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (KXm42)

147 >>>Indeed, besides the uniforms and goosestepping, what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left?<<<

Their breeding habits. Their youth will be put to death before they've had a chance to earn a bullet.

Posted by: Fritz at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (UzPAd)

148 It'd be a hell of a lot easier to clarify the whole political spectrum thingy if the MFing socialists would stop stealing words from the dictionary, torturing them into a new bullshit meaning, and redepositing them back into the lexicon on a daily basis.

Posted by: Jaws at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (eKZp1)

149 143 Try the Decaf.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (ojnk6)

150 I've got two turntables, a blackboard and a microphone

Posted by: Beck at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (Q6pxP)

151

Jonah Goldberg, in his book, mentions that Mussolini started out as a Socialist... right up until he realized that the "international" flavor of the whole thing wouldn't sell in Italy. No one cared. So he gave it a more national flavor (i.e. glory of Rome reborn and all of that), and called it Fascism instead.

Posted by: junior at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (UWFpX)

152 Every time one of you ignorant pecker heads put a long link in the comments you blow up the size of the comments and it makes it pretty fucking hard for people on smartphones to read said comments. My data connection to the world is limited to this tiny screen because times are a little tough in my neck of the woods. So fucking please show a little consideration assholes. Our new AoS banner?!?

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (tyz5J)

153 I do remember something about the fwench revolutionaries killing farmers for hoarding grain. The peasants are revolting! Yes, yes they are. Quite.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (xZxMD)

154 135 128 And an Art Student.
Posted by: --- at February 27, 2014 03:04 PM (MMC8r)

He liked dogs and small children...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 03:06 PM (olDqf)

You know, not many people know zis, but der Fuhrer was a terrific dancer.

Posted by: Franz Leibkin at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (MMC8r)

155 Daniel Hannan is teh Awesome!

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:08 AM (bb5+k)

156 Robespierre went out screaming like a bitch.

I don't think he did. He'd been shot in the face, with his jaw bound poorly. We know a woman ran up to him and told him his death made her happy. He insulted her and told her to go to hell with curses from all wives and mothers. He is reported to have told his executioner to hold up his head afterwards, because it'll be worth it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 27, 2014 11:09 AM (4QSOR)

157 Link Free, Or Die!

Posted by: garrett at February 27, 2014 11:09 AM (G2iZT)

158 Der Stuhl ist gegen der Wand

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 11:09 AM (g4TxM)

159 "ignorant peckerheads" is the new moron

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:09 AM (tyz5J)

160 Paris has always had problems with food supply. It had a lot of poor folks, and a lot of low-paid laborers. ------------------------------------- Their Gallic laziness combines with their Latinate voluptuousness with the result that they would rather eat and make love with their faces than fight.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Rachel Corrie Martyr Brigades at February 27, 2014 11:10 AM (CJjw5)

161 What scares me most is that younguns have been indoctrinated to think Communism is hip and cool.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 11:10 AM (gaOtJ)

162

junior on your point about both Commies and Nazis gaining "ahderents" mostly as a tactical step to oppose the other side, I believe the rise of Nazism in Germany from the fringes is mostly - and correctly - attributed to precisely this instinct among the vast majority of non-radical Germans who feared bolshevism above all (not without reason - bolshevism was real and had already commenced its vast depradations on mankind, "Nazism" was a loony fantasy that had more practical appealing elements like return to national dignity, while clearly the strongest anti-bolshevist force). Recall Herr Hitler was going to be "manageable" in the chancellery - nobody outside the party faithful were looking for a new era. I recommend Evans' trilogy starting with The Coming of the Third Reich.

And on an on with the "right wing" nonsense. The mullahocracy in Iran - a radical fringe with vicious tendencies and ruthless expansionary delusions - is "conservative"? Right. Because their religious and secular tendencies are wildly fringe even within Shia' tradition, and have nothing in common with thousands of years of Persian practice and history.

Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 11:10 AM (afQnV)

163 Hannan is a genius and he's right.

But while we discuss these nuances and interesting intellectual pursuits, the left is busy trying to destroy the word "conservative", through sheer persistence. For example, by repetitively referring to extremists in other countries (the kind who behead) as "conservatives".

For our lifetimes, it's always been a word with a gentle, positive connotation to the average person. But the left know what happened to the word "liberal" - because people actually hated liberals, not the word - and they know how destructive it was to their cause.

And, while we're faffing around, eyeing their last attack, it's going to work.

Posted by: Mega, AoS Commenter of the Year at February 27, 2014 11:10 AM (hHFOx)

164 The Rosenberg deniers always make a big deal about someone from the doj seeing the chief justice and getting a last minute stay overturned. Douglas granted a stay after the court had gone into recess for the term, keeping the traitors alive until Oct. What they don't tell you is that the attys who filed the petition were not representing the Rosenbergs. Besides not having any viable issues, on what planet can some hacks just step in and interfere with someone else's case and have it be entertained by a supreme court justice? What Douglas did was illegal and unethical.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 27, 2014 11:10 AM (6Nj7A)

165 Fuck it, let 'em eat broccoli

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 27, 2014 11:10 AM (HVff2)

166 "He is reported to have told his executioner to hold up his head afterwards, because it'll be worth it."

Danton, I believe.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 11:11 AM (gqT4g)

167 I am an ignorant dickhead. Let's get our terms correct.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 27, 2014 11:11 AM (6bMel)

168 112 Best example of the difference between crony capitalism and capitalism is the transcontinental RR funded by the government but built by private companinies and the transcontinental RR Great Northern financed by JJ Hill.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 03:00 PM (DAevm)

Again corruption. The money and land when to cronies in exorbitant amounts. As soon as the government handouts ended the RR went bankrupt because those cronies pocketed a lot of the money.

That while the RR built strictly private that you referred to prospered.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 11:11 AM (T2V/1)

169 If my numbskull brother ever again lets slip his 60s idiocy associating fascism with "corporations" etc., I'm going to drop that one on him - not that I expect him to be able to gain from it.

Posted by: non-purist

One in a series of irritating Stupid Leftist Tricks is to hork up the word 'Corporatism' without a shred of understanding.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 27, 2014 11:11 AM (XKKNz)

170

Robespierre went out screaming like a bitch.

I don't think he did. He'd been shot in the face, with his jaw bound poorly. We know a woman ran up to him and told him his death made her happy. He insulted her and told her to go to hell with curses from all wives and mothers. He is reported to have told his executioner to hold up his head afterwards, because it'll be worth it.

From what I have read, the executioner pulled off the bandage holding up his broken jaw. Said jaw being broken when he attempted to shoot himself in the head the night before. When the bandage was removed, he screamed, and kept on until his lungs and diaphragm were disconnected from his mouth.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2014 11:12 AM (ZkzmI)

171 Peckerhead has been vastly underused, I'm hoping it makes a comeback.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 27, 2014 11:12 AM (IV4od)

172 27 One has to remember also that right wing/left wing in Europe are not the same as they are here. Posted by: Vic at February 27, 2014 02:44 PM (T2V/1) Yeah, over there both wings are to the left of us.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:12 AM (bb5+k)

173 Stalin and Hitler used to have secret tea parties. Bet you didn't know that.

Posted by: Roy at February 27, 2014 11:12 AM (VndSC)

174 The peasants are revolting!

Yes, yes they are. Quite.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 03:08 PM (xZxMD

You said it; they stink on ice! Pull!

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 11:12 AM (hLRSq)

175 One of my favorite movies is "Seven Beauties" ("Pasuqualino Settebelleze" in Italian) by Wertmuller. I so want to do the opening sequence and substitute images of SCOAMF, Stalin, Hitler and everyone/anyone else from the left. For your reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx2GoEV5yf0

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 11:13 AM (olDqf)

176 How about "Tinyurl"

Posted by: NativeNH at February 27, 2014 11:13 AM (ol6Bk)

177 Our new AoS banner?!?

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 03:08 PM (tyz5J)

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and blow out the margins."

Posted by: EC at February 27, 2014 11:13 AM (GQ8sn)

178 Not exactly, Dangerous Girl. Young people today have been taught capitalism is flawed and unfair, not that communism is bad. It's the same thing, soothie! Yes, it is. But the subtle difference is important when you're brainwashing Americans into believing unAmerican things.

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:13 AM (tyz5J)

179 152 >> So fucking please show a little consideration assholes. That's Mr. Asshole to you. Sucks to be you with your little ittsy bitsy screen

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 27, 2014 11:13 AM (HVff2)

180 Dont get saucy with me, Bernaise!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 27, 2014 11:13 AM (BAS5M)

181 increasingly-worthless state paper called assignats

Did anyone else first read that as 'asshats'?

Posted by: Methos at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (hO9ad)

182 As long as he wasn't a theater major..... Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 03:06 PM (xZxMD) -------------------------------- You just made the list, buddy. --------------------------------- I don't think he did. He'd been shot in the face, with his jaw bound poorly. The executioner ripped his bandage off and he squealed until the blade cut him off. A real man would've glared at the executioner, spat a few bloody Chiclets on the platform, then said, "Let me show you how it's done, boy", grabbing the lever and releasing the blade himself.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Rachel Corrie Martyr Brigades at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (CJjw5)

183 My phone says it's 3:14. Suddenly I want pie.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (t8ySh)

184 **Evil laugh @143**

Posted by: ignorant pecker head at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (IN7k+)

185 Der Stuhl ist gegen der Wand

Es gibt vier Lichter!

Posted by: HR at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (ZKzrr)

186 and 60s hippies often sound like what we would call libertarians now...but yes, that was the greatest propaganda scam of the post war lefty media, that Nazis were right wing conservatives.

Posted by: azjaeger at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (IraXK)

187 Robespierre = Che Guevara

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 11:14 AM (DAevm)

188 @130 I'm on the pavement, thinkin' 'bout the government.

Know what else Hitler was? An anti-smoker.
The way it was explained to me, the Left and Right thing came from which side of the actual aisle the delegates sat on in the French Assembly. And it confused them, too. It's like counting those damned Estates.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 27, 2014 11:15 AM (xq1UY)

189 From what I have read, the executioner pulled off the bandage holding up his broken jaw. Said jaw being broken when he attempted to shoot himself in the head the night before. When the bandage was removed, he screamed, and kept on until his lungs and diaphragm were disconnected from his mouth.

Could be true, sounds legit.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 27, 2014 11:15 AM (4QSOR)

190 Paris- "We Built This City on Roque(fort) and Rolls."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 11:15 AM (g4TxM)

191 John Schindler ‏@20committee BREAKING: Serhiy Aksenov, new Crimean PM, says Yanukovych is still #Ukraine's president, says he will follow his orders - RIA Novosti

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 11:16 AM (ZPrif)

192 125 --- The Nazi's racialism, which was absent from classical Marxism, has been absorbed into neo-Marxism. The old proletariat of workers and farmers, who (alas!) wanted only to join the middle class, let the Marxists down, so they were rejected as hopeless hardhats and rednecks. In their place we have a lumpenproletariat, based on race, ethnicity, gender, etc. These may or may not be workers. Usually not ---- or at least, it's not their status as workers that is of interest anymore.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 11:16 AM (dfYL9)

193 Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi Amid chants "Russia!" new Crimea PM gives his first presser, promises a secession referendum http://youtu.be/24_Kd0lHsbA

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 11:17 AM (ZPrif)

194 120
And for the third time, Hitler was heavily into the occult; not at all a Christian.

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 03:02 PM (tyz5J)

^This. He was heavily into Teutonic neo-paganism.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 11:17 AM (DrWcr)

195 The Union Pacific went bankrupt before Hill started the Great Northern in earnest. One of the UP's problems were due to the meddling of the government inbedded around the bonds that were issued.

Posted by: EH Harriman at February 27, 2014 11:17 AM (Q6pxP)

196 185 Posted by: HR at February 27, 2014 03:14 PM (ZKzrr) Verwundt mein herz mit eintonige matischkeit...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 11:17 AM (olDqf)

197 14 These are people who still cling to the Rosenberg's innocence, and that the CPUSA was 'just a political party'. To them, all history is pre-Venona Papers release.
=========
Told that to the history teacher at the university.

When she got over the "oh crap, this kid knows the stuff we try to hide" she tried to sidestep by saying, "well, some people dispute the accuracy and truth of those transcripts."

yes, yes, of course. There are many different meanings when the USSR wrote "we paid the Rosenbergs money, they gave us secrets."

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2014 11:17 AM (VjL9S)

198 Dont get saucy with me, Bernaise! Posted by: Count de Monet But Count da Money! Count da Money!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 11:17 AM (xZxMD)

199 Of course, somebody sitting on the far left side of the assembly hall while facing the front will look like a right winger to somebody on the podium.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 27, 2014 11:18 AM (g4TxM)

200 @161 DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) "What scares me most is that younguns have been indoctrinated to think Communism is hip and cool." They are the ones they have been waiting for. They have all the answers to create a brave new and just world and vanquish the old greedy ways of the past. The times change, but the meme to control others does not.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 27, 2014 11:18 AM (QpIfk)

201 The left lies about everything and they get away with it: they control the media they control entertainment look at the internet - you have to really search to find non lefty honest versions of historical events.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 27, 2014 11:18 AM (6Nj7A)

202 Know what else Hitler was? An anti-smoker.

"Nutrition is not a private matter."

Posted by: HR at February 27, 2014 11:18 AM (ZKzrr)

203 >>>From what I have read, the executioner pulled off the bandage holding up his broken jaw. Said jaw being broken when he attempted to shoot himself in the head the night before. When the bandage was removed, he screamed, and kept on until his lungs and diaphragm were disconnected from his mouth. I believe this is true, mostly. The one thing is that I think there is dispute over whether Robespierre actually attempted to shoot himself, or was rather shot when the Hotel de Ville (city hall, taken over by his goons) was raided for his arrest. This might be one of those fabrications we make up about the hated dead: "He was such a coward he tried to shoot himself rather than face his own guillotine." I have no idea if the "suicide" story or the "shot during arrest" story is correct; I'm just noting it's contested.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2014 11:18 AM (/FnUH)

204 Yes it sucks but I've never taken a dime of hand out. Oh and FUCK YOU!!

Posted by: NativeNH at February 27, 2014 11:19 AM (ol6Bk)

205

"Nutrition is not a private matter."

What is, "Things Michelle Obama might say?"

Posted by: Insomniac at February 27, 2014 11:19 AM (DrWcr)

206 I do believe there was a firefight in the Hotel de Ville, and they rounded up a bunch of them, who had *not* attempted suicide, including that one asshole whose name I'm forgetting. Some artist or something, always a stooge of Robespierre's. Personally I think the "shot during the firefight" story is more plausible, but I have, like Shawn Spencer, heard it both ways.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2014 11:20 AM (/FnUH)

207 Thanks, FBJ.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 27, 2014 11:20 AM (ZshNr)

208 76 Oh yeah and the Nazi's hated Commies, just like the Reich wingers due. Point. Proven. Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 02:53 PM (4cA6A) According to Erik Von Kuehnelt-Leddihin in his book "Leftism Revisited", the Nazi flags were originally made from Red Communist flags with swastikas sewn over the hammer and sickle. This was because they had access to communist flags because they were previously part of that movement. http://mises.org/document/6581/

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:20 AM (bb5+k)

209

I have no idea if the "suicide" story or the "shot during arrest" story is correct; I'm just noting it's contested.

True, nobody knows for sure. One of his loyal lieutenants jumped out of the window of the room and broke a leg. Maybe there was only one pistol, or maybe he was thrown out of the window, who knows?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 27, 2014 11:21 AM (ZkzmI)

210 If you like stories of government corruption and railroads, check out Hell on Wheels.

Posted by: Lauren at February 27, 2014 11:21 AM (hFL/3)

211 There are many different meanings when the USSR wrote "we paid the Rosenbergs money, they gave us secrets."
-
They were talking about an egg salad recipe.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 11:21 AM (XUKZU)

212 As long as he wasn't a theater major..... Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 03:06 PM (xZxMD) Well, he wasn't womyn's study major or a Jewish history major, that's for sure.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 11:21 AM (0FSuD)

213 I find the reason the UP transcontinental RR has such a winding route very interesting. Apparently the government contract had them make payments based on every mile of track laid. I'm surprised it didn't zig zag from our northern border to our southern border all the way to the coast

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 11:21 AM (DAevm)

214

Hitler: anti-smoker, vegetarian, obviously authoritarian and statist. Used to mock Goering's hunting hobby (though mocking the ridiculous Goering for his indulgent lifestyle can hardly be deemed a quirky reaction by Hitler). I believe at least one account has it that the above-ground security forces suspected Der Fuhrer had gone south to his reward in the last days of the war in May '45 when they saw smoke coming out of the bunker vents - smoking had never been allowed in the fuhrerbunker, naturlich (sorry, missed out on the umlaut tutorial in one of yesterday's threads ....).

Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 11:21 AM (afQnV)

215
Que diferencia hace?

Posted by: Senora Hillary Clinton at February 27, 2014 11:22 AM (nQjHM)

216 197 Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2014 03:17 PM (VjL9S) I assume you got an "F" in the course as well as a knock on the door at 1AMÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 27, 2014 11:22 AM (olDqf)

217 I would scream too if I'd been shot in the face. That probably really hurts.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 11:22 AM (ZPrif)

218 They are truly alien to the normal politics that is used to describe Left and Right here in the United States. Calling someone a Nazi or Marxist who isn't actually a real Nazi or Marxist only serves to fog things up. Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 02:55 PM (hLRSq) I do not know what you are talking about. The behavior of this current government more closely resembles the Nazis than in other in US history. They even have that same infatuation with race, albeit flipped.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:23 AM (bb5+k)

219 197 "well, some people dispute the accuracy and truth of those transcripts."
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 27, 2014 03:17 PM (VjL9S)
That's what they say about the earth going around the sun.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 27, 2014 11:23 AM (kVfSG)

220 194 Insomniac, He was as Christian as politics needed him to be... "Watch this drive." //Codename Golfer Eagle One

Posted by: sven10077 at February 27, 2014 11:23 AM (TE35l)

221 >>>True, nobody knows for sure. One of his loyal lieutenants jumped out of the window of the room and broke a leg. Maybe there was only one pistol, or maybe he was thrown out of the window, who knows? sure, but I think the "shot during arrest" story is more plausible, given a violent arrest, and given the fact that the rest of his monsters apparently thought they could get through this. I don't know why Robespierre would assume he'd be killed, as (I guess) the rest of the Solid Citizens thought things would die down or something.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2014 11:24 AM (/FnUH)

222 I have no idea if the "suicide" story or the "shot during arrest" story is correct; I'm just noting it's contested. -------------------------- I'm guessing he was shot during arrest by someone who wanted to be the guy to kill Robespierre. Also, there's his brother, going, "Cheese it, boys! It's the National Convention!" then jumping out of a window, breaking both of his legs. What's French for "Smooth move, Ex-Lax"?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2014 11:24 AM (CJjw5)

223 The left lies about everything and they get away with it:

they control the media
they control entertainment
look at the internet - you have to really search to find non lefty honest versions of historical events.
-

"There is nothing wrong with your television. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are now in control of the transmission. We control the horizontal and the vertical. We can deluge you with a thousands channels, or expand one single image to crystal clarity and beyond. We can shape your vision to anything our imagination can conceive. For the next hour, we will control all that you see and hear."

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 27, 2014 11:25 AM (XUKZU)

224 They even have that same infatuation with race, albeit flipped.

***

Yeah, it's flipped.
For now...

Posted by: B at February 27, 2014 11:25 AM (twiRb)

225

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 03:21 PM (DAevm)

There was the 'ox-bow' which was created to add some length, but a vast majority of the winding route is that they did what was possible with manual labor. The route was highly efficient grade wise (much more important than length in operating cost terms) and it was only in the mid-20th century that the mechanized earthmoving equipment was powerful enough to work around the toughest UP grades in Wyoming.

Posted by: EH Harriman at February 27, 2014 11:25 AM (Q6pxP)

226 I would scream too if I'd been shot in the face. That probably really hurts. Especially by a .69 or .75 caliber ball.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (xZxMD)

227 That Transcontinental Railroad is why I call the Grant Administration the most corrupt administration in History. I am afraid I am going to have to change that now. It took 150 years but someone has finally beat him.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (T2V/1)

228

76 Oh yeah and the Nazi's hated Commies, just like the Reich wingers due.

Point. Proven.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 27, 2014 02:53 PM (4cA6A)

No criminal gang wants a rival.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (hLRSq)

229 Eric Holder is in the hospital. God let's pray the hospital doesn't have MRSA... NOT http://tinyurl.com/b4pso

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (0FSuD)

230 Didn't they have a cartoon of Robespierre guillotining the guillotineer when he ran out of people to guillotine.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (DAevm)

231 And for the third time, Hitler was heavily into the occult; not at all a Christian.
Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 03:02 PM (tyz5J)

^This. He was heavily into Teutonic neo-paganism.

Posted by: Insomniac

Not Christian but the Thule Society link is somewhat tenuous. He's on their list but apparently no one could place him at a meeting.

Again, point being he wasn't particularly religious above and beyond trying to mold national and ethnic identity into a totalitarian totem. Aims and means.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (XKKNz)

232 Yes, Nazis ultimate goal was to create a perfect "Aryan" race. Today's Left's goal is to create a perfect Aryan-thinking Utopia.

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:26 AM (tyz5J)

233 >>>Also, there's his brother, going, "Cheese it, boys! It's the National Convention!" then jumping out of a window, breaking both of his legs. there was some good violence, before the great violence.

Posted by: ace at February 27, 2014 11:27 AM (/FnUH)

234 What Nazis, Fascists, and Reds had in common was totalitarianism.....and thus a natural hatred for (classic) liberalism, limited government. Too bad the leftists hijacked the word "liberalism," eh? Because that's the real dichotomy LIBERALISM vs. TOTALITARIANISM. And the socialist systems are all specifically anti-Christian (and anti-Judaic) because they recognize no limit to the State. Who but the Jews (and later the Christians) would not bow down to Caesar?!?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 27, 2014 11:27 AM (dfYL9)

235 Also, NEVER mention Hitler was a vegetarian. Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 03:01 PM (0FSuD) Or that the Nazi party started in a homosexual social club.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:27 AM (bb5+k)

236 I would scream too if I'd been shot in the face. That probably really hurts.

He was actually retracting the Decree on Emergency Government, but with the bullet to the face, you know. They couldn't understand him.

/sarc

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 27, 2014 11:28 AM (9PrpA)

237 Sorry BurtTC I had not seen your post on the Left and the Right of the aisle.
ISTR that not many decades ago, describing a writer, artist or musician as "A Man of The Left" (in that term, not merely "Lefty" or what have you) was pretty necessary praise. And this applied in classical music and Bossa Nova, not just a pop-tune thing.

In the Anglosphere at least, before "Hitler" was the universal pejorative, it was "Napoleon." It would be interesting to trace Western cultures via their villains.
Aaron Burr got a lot of traffic in the pre-Civil War era. Cromwell has had his turn in the barrel, on both sides. And Julius Caesar, wow.

"He was at once the best and worst of men. He shined and he stank like rotten mackerel by moonlight."

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 27, 2014 11:28 AM (xq1UY)

238 In news of head trauma, UFC basically just banned testosterone replacement therapy, which dozens of fighters are on. (They are mostly on TRT cause their past steroid use fucked up their balls.) Ariel Helwani ‏@arielhelwani RT @shaunalshatti: And it passes unanimously. Wow. TRT is banned in Nevada. Effective immediately.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 27, 2014 11:28 AM (ZPrif)

239 Good article, though the premise should be obvious- and would be if we had an honest education system. Bring up this argument to a lefty and they'll dismissively retort that the Nazis and Communists harbored ideological hatred for one another. So what? So do Shia and Sunni Muslims. So did Catholics and Protestants in previous centuries. In both practice and ideology there was very little difference between Communism and Nazism/Fascism. If the Nazis hadn't yet nationalized private industry as did the Communists, it's only because they needed the money. It was on the wish list. Neither can the extreme nationalism of the Nazis be used to regard them as 'right wing'. Russian Communists were no less nationalistic (For the Motherland!).

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 27, 2014 11:28 AM (SY2Kh)

240 I do not know what you are talking about. The behavior of this current government more closely resembles the Nazis than in other in US history.

They even have that same infatuation with race, albeit flipped.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 03:23 PM (bb5+k)

That's a pretty low hurdle to make - worse than any administration in US history. They are corrupt and their politics come straight from big city machine politics, but they aren't Nazis, or Fascists, or Commies, or Maoists.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 11:28 AM (hLRSq)

241

Oh, and I understand what people mean when they use the term, but today's vapid American leftwingers (esp. public figures like the ridiculous president) are no more "Marxist" than I am a Zoroastrian. Marxism was an actual, elaborate, intellectually dense and heavy body of thought - almost all of it twaddle and silliness, obviously, but we're talking material far beyond the intellectual scope of an Obama or a Clinton. Grifters with alien values aren't automatically marxists - so that term has also sort of been dumbed-down beyond recognition, this time by "our" side.

Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 11:29 AM (afQnV)

242 Or that the Nazi party started in a homosexual social club. Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 03:27 PM (bb5+k) Really? Where the fuck did you get that? or is my snarc meter broken?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 11:29 AM (0FSuD)

243 there was some good violence, before the great violence. -------------------------------------- "I have good news and bad news. The bad news is, due to the traumatic injury to your legs, you will be unable to walk for the rest of your life. The good news is, that'll only last for about 12 hours or so."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 27, 2014 11:29 AM (CJjw5)

244 Hitler hated smoking so he's got that going for him, right? I think that also means he's totes cool with marijuana.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 27, 2014 11:29 AM (oFCZn)

245 Who said we weren't Maoists?!

Posted by: Anita Dunn at February 27, 2014 11:30 AM (Q6pxP)

246 Nood

Posted by: Y-not at February 27, 2014 11:30 AM (zDsvJ)

247 Totalitarianism is only bad if you're not in the ruling elite. If you're in charge, it's a pretty good way to go.

Posted by: jwest at February 27, 2014 11:30 AM (u2a4R)

248 Howie Carr: If you like nice weather, hope the next president is a Republican. Why? Because when Bush was president, the weather was never so bad it affected the economy like it does all the time with obama.

Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 11:31 AM (tyz5J)

249 Obama is an acknowledge communist. Mooch is a Fascist. Most of the Democrat Party are communists. Their plank is identical to the old CPUSA Plank. I would say about 3/4 of the Republicans are some degree of socialist.

That is why we never win.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 11:31 AM (T2V/1)

250 "... it was only in the mid-20th century that the mechanized earthmoving equipment was powerful enough to work around the toughest UP grades in Wyoming."

And for many years, the most powerful locomotives in North American rail service were ones specifically dedicated to lugging long freight trains over those grades.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 27, 2014 11:32 AM (gqT4g)

251 Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 03:26 PM (0FSuD) Ernst Rohm was a voracious homosexual. Of course he appointed like minded individuals in command positions. Hitler killed them all.

Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 11:32 AM (DAevm)

252

Ace got me thinking, instead of usually just laughing or nodding in agreement.

Ancient peoples always started out with human sacrifice to their gods. Eventually almost all moved away from that. So doesn't this show some type of evolution of morals, etc.

It does. But religious ideas or practices is not my focus. It is the underpinning that counts. The unmoved mover.

Just read this article. What stopped eugenic practices? People believing that they were not God over other people.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 27, 2014 11:32 AM (tVTLU)

253 The problem stems from trying to put a multi axis political spectrum, onto a single Right / Left line. When its really a number of axis... at least three dimensions... Strict Puritan like control vs. Libertines. Command Economy vs. Total Free enterprise (almost anarchy) Statist vs. Libertarian (ie, how much the State can control the individual)

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 27, 2014 11:33 AM (84gbM)

254 Haven't read through it yet but if anyone is interested - http://tinyurl.com/ndz32kt Feb 26 2014 ENFORCING THE PRESIDENTÂ’S CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE LAWS Members of Congress and constitutional law experts testified before the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday, warning that the legislative branch is in danger of ceding its power in the face of an Â“imperial presidency.Â” The hearing, Â“Enforcing the PresidentÂ’s Constitutional Duty to Faithfully Execute the Laws,Â” focused on the multiple areas President Barack Obama has bypassed Congress, ranging from healthcare and immigration to marriage and welfare rules.

Posted by: RWC at February 27, 2014 11:33 AM (MtC8f)

255 In the Anglosphere at least, before "Hitler" was the universal pejorative, it was "Napoleon." It would be interesting to trace Western cultures via their villains. Aaron Burr got a lot of traffic in the pre-Civil War era. Cromwell has had his turn in the barrel, on both sides. And Julius Caesar, wow. Sherman.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 27, 2014 11:33 AM (xZxMD)

256 new one

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 11:33 AM (T2V/1)

257 Obama is an acknowledge communist. Mooch is a Fascist. Most of the Democrat Party are communists. Their plank is identical to the old CPUSA Plank. I would say about 3/4 of the Republicans are some degree of socialist.

That is why we never win.

Posted by: Vic at February 27, 2014 03:31 PM (T2V/1)

For all of them being followers of one or another of the sub-moronic branches that sprouted off of Marx's tree of sublime idiocy they are doing an awfully poor job of things.

If you can read this, there's your proof.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 11:34 AM (hLRSq)

258 Everything you need to know about the laziness of the American MFM in labeling any violent extremist as right wing is that the most hard core Communists in the Soviet Union were called right wing.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 27, 2014 11:34 AM (VtjlW)

259 Holder in the hospital?

Must ....not....comment.....

must....not.......com...ment.....

errrgghhhgrk....

Posted by: eleven at February 27, 2014 11:34 AM (KXm42)

260 Well, in its infancy, the Nazis were called the German Workers Party...

Posted by: tubal at February 27, 2014 11:35 AM (Qzz2p)

261 Marxism was an actual, elaborate, intellectually dense and heavy body of thought - almost all of it twaddle and silliness, obviously, but we're talking material far beyond the intellectual scope of an Obama or a Clinton.

"Ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste."
-Marx to Lafargue

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 27, 2014 11:36 AM (9PrpA)

262 The best is when commies escape to russia and then are miserable. They always return to the US because the sol has run and they can't be prosecuted. It was even better when they escaped to russia when stalin was still alive. Then into the gulag they went and onto the ash heap of history.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 27, 2014 11:36 AM (6Nj7A)

263

Hollowpoint, good point about the various internecine rivalries over the ages and how they debunk the suggestion that commie/Nazi enmity was ideological. Nazism was a subset of state-centrism, authoritarianism, updated modernized tyranny using flimsy modern rationalizations to replace the goofball traditional rationalizations ("divine right") used in previous eras. Nazism of course had wacky racial theory/germanocentric rationalizations, whereas commies typically used (the still familiar) excuses of efficiency, "science", etc.

And of course let's not forget the actual links between even some of the more hideous Nazi evil and "progressive" western bullshit, like eugenics. Hallucinogenic eliminationist anti-semitism had nothing to do with popular "progressive" notions in America in the first half of the century - but racial hygiene and euthanasiz and social engineering of the ruthless variety very much did (looking at you, Margaret Sanger).

Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 11:36 AM (afQnV)

264 If you don't believe me, read some articles from "journalists" regarding something you have indepth knowledge of. Were they factually correct, or did they make errors? Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie Â© at February 27, 2014 03:06 PM (1hM1d) That's how Rathergate broke out. GIs read the made-up docs and called BS.

Posted by: baldilocks filipova at February 27, 2014 11:36 AM (36Rjy)

265 I'm sure I've linked this before, but here is an excellent YouTube video about the different forms of government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdS6fyUIklI

Posted by: rickl at February 27, 2014 11:38 AM (zoehZ)

266 "Ce qu'il y a de certain c'est que moi, je ne suis pas Marxiste." -Marx to Lafargue Posted by: bonhomme at February 27, 2014 03:36 PM (9PrpA) Translation --- " The wine is a bit pedestrian, but not bad for two francs."

Posted by: tubal at February 27, 2014 11:38 AM (Qzz2p)

267 It's not a straight line, left or right. It's a circle. The extremists blur together at the bottom. The centrists, in the most basic terms, come together at the top. Say want you want. Most just want to get along without the extremes.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 27, 2014 11:39 AM (/djtm)

268 That's a pretty low hurdle to make - worse than any administration in US history. They are corrupt and their politics come straight from big city machine politics, but they aren't Nazis, or Fascists, or Commies, or Maoists. Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 03:28 PM (hLRSq) And I say that all these share the same root.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:40 AM (bb5+k)

269 Fascism is forever descending on America, and landing in Europe.
Discussions of fascism always begin with Hitler, and land in France.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 27, 2014 11:41 AM (xq1UY)

270 Why just a few years ago when Chavez the Thug was still above room temperature, he was going after people who had built of stockpiles of food. They were labeled hoarders.

Today? Venezuela is out of toilet paper.

The more things change with Socialists the more they stay the same - death, famine, and collapse.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 27, 2014 11:42 AM (Nmx3n)

271 More than anything, this sums up one salient point: the left-right dynamic of politics is useless now. It's far too complex to plot along a single axis.

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at February 27, 2014 11:42 AM (Y/HG5)

272 Indeed, besides the uniforms and goosestepping, what isn't Naziistic about the Western Left? Posted by: soothie at February 27, 2014 02:42 PM (tyz5J Train schedules.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at February 27, 2014 11:42 AM (2oU2+)

273 Then there is the should-be-well-known "We are Socialists" speech Hitler gave.

Posted by: Mooch at February 27, 2014 11:42 AM (611Rk)

274 Just call me willow.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 27, 2014 11:43 AM (/djtm)

275 Really? Where the fuck did you get that? or is my snarc meter broken? Posted by: Nip Sip at February 27, 2014 03:29 PM (0FSuD) Yes, Really. My recollection is that it was from William L. Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." I think Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn also mentions it in his "Leftism revisited." Yes, the Nazi party started as a homosexual club.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:43 AM (bb5+k)

276 Posted by: YourPoopyPants at February 27, 2014 03:42 PM (Y/HG5) Therefore a circle.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at February 27, 2014 11:44 AM (/djtm)

277 I still laugh at the German general who was recorded saying: Only two people in the entire world didn't know Russia is cold in winter: Napoleon and Hitler.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 27, 2014 11:44 AM (6Nj7A)

278 More than anyone, I blame journalists for our current dilemma as a nation. And it is exactly what you've cited here as the reason.

Underneath the veneer or perhaps guise of fairness and "balanced" reporting lies a prejudiced worldview. It's been nurtured not only by the reporters personal upbringing and enforced by so-called "journalism" schools who promote and teach it. But it's also rewarded by those in power or their organizations. No matter how dishonest, untrue or jaded. Gone is the integrity, independence and factual discovery process the average free person cherishes and ultimately endears them to that profession.

Journalists at one time held a special place in Americans heats and indeed our democracy. Our right, as a people, not some tribe or parochial group was enshrined in our constitution because it is fundamental to the working of a prosperous and free democratic republic. Yet now that someone whom they agree with philosophically or perhaps politically is in charge, they demur, color, taint and propagandize at the our expense- facts and freedoms be damned. That is, until someone they may not agree with is in charge, then the hypocrisy starts.

This has of course happened incrementally over they years until Barack Obama. Now it is in full swing, because the entire wretched philosophy and its impact is in full view. That doesn't bode well for the future because there is an enormous amount of contempt and animosity built up. In history, as you've aptly noted Ace, that has not ended well.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 27, 2014 11:45 AM (GGCsk)

279 Ernst Rohm was a voracious homosexual. Of course he appointed like minded individuals in command positions. Hitler killed them all. Posted by: Wayne Storm at February 27, 2014 03:32 PM (DAevm) You might want to read the information provided at this website. http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 27, 2014 11:46 AM (bb5+k)

280 If you can read this, there's your proof.

Posted by: Mikey NTH -Clean Up You Caucus! Rumor Soap with Lathering Phosphates at the Outrage Outlet! at February 27, 2014 03:34 PM (hLRSq)

I was mostly educated before LBJ completed his destruction and long before Carter created the Dept of Education and destroyed the schools.,

If you take the most recent graduates a large percentage of them probably can not read it and understand it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 27, 2014 11:47 AM (T2V/1)

281

Dunno about the origins of what became the NSAPD starting in a homo's club, but Rohm and some of his SA leadership were light in the jackboots, and this provided a nice motivator/excuse for what the others wanted to do anyway, resulting in the Night of the Long Knives. But definitely about power, not about Rohm's bedroom proclivities.

In any case, the anti-smoking, vegetarian, anti-hunting, anti-Christian pro-pagan stuff is all definitely true about Hitler, and works well enough to confound the dim "leftists" we live among - all these things are immaterial to Nazism per se, but these people don't think much differently than 12-yr olds, so these little associational slanders work just fine.

Posted by: non-purist at February 27, 2014 11:48 AM (afQnV)

282 Plenty of evil folks on all sides of the French Revolution, but the worst had to be the Republicans. See Ann Barnhardt's Vendee Massacre. Gen Joseph Westermann bragged about the genocide, killing all men, women, and children per orders, to establish liberty, equality, and brotherhood. "I have exterminated them all...", he said, Christmas 1793. Don't confuse our revolution with theirs. French Revolution and Bolshevik were very similar.

Posted by: FritzB at February 27, 2014 11:50 AM (I2IdM)

283 You know, those Krauts shoulda known they were the bad guys when they noticed the Skulls they were using as collar devives.

Posted by: Snowflake at February 27, 2014 11:52 AM (3ZtZW)

284 The labeling issue becomes even more interesting when we remember that after the revolution failed to spread to other countries as Marxist theory predicted, it became absurd to call Leninism "International Socialism." What did Stalin do (I think it was Stalin, but I could be wrong)? He rechristened the Soviet revolution as "Socialism in one country." Let that sink in: "Socialism in ONE COUNTRY" ...... Doesn't sound so different from "National Socialism", does it? Also, recall the burning debate at the time of the Purges in the 30's among disaffected and former communists: they incessantly debated the question, "Was the Soviet Union a fascist state?" The answer was of course YES. Whittaker Chambers has a section about this debate in "Witness", and concludes that although internationalist in intention, the Soviet socialism was hardly more than a Russian version of NAZIism. (I re-read Witness from front to back a couple of years ago, and I highly recommend it for those with time and patience. It's an epic. We're fighting against the same people he was). Hannah Arendt got it pretty much right when she called both regimes totalitarian. They were tyrannies driven by the age-old "libido dominandi", but super-charged with modern technology.

Posted by: Meriadoc at February 27, 2014 11:54 AM (OB4KJ)

285 I could make a fortune in Venezuela with my supply of TP.

Posted by: Lars Kasch at February 27, 2014 11:55 AM (DAevm)

286 Hannan is wrong about what evil the American Left would do. Hannan should investigate what Bill Ayers would do and then realize that Barack Obama and Bill Ayers are very close buddies reading from the same page.

Posted by: Speller at February 27, 2014 11:57 AM (J74Py)

287 Been trying to make this same point for years.

One recent example: http://bit.ly/1gyngvD

Posted by: goy at February 27, 2014 11:59 AM (oGez1)

288 It [the Thule Society] formed an umbrella for many of the racist-nationalist groups and enlisted frightened or unscrupulous men against the government, which it said, had betrayed the German people. In addition to rabid anti-Semitism, it preached the coming of a Fuhrer who would do away with democracy, the handmaiden of the weak.

pg 6. The Nazis and the Occult. Dusty Sklar.

Unscrupulous men - Holden, Soros and Ayers?
Anti-Semites - Samantha Powers?
Fuhrer or light worker - The President?
Do away with democracy - Executive orders and selective law enforcement.

Geez the corollaries are frightening.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 27, 2014 12:05 PM (Nmx3n)

289 Glad to see some Kuehnelt-Leddihn fans here! He's a fav of mine. BTW, Kuehnelt-Leddihn considered "fascism" in it's essence an exclusively Italian phenomenon. It's application to NAZI Germany was a result of Stalinist propaganda according to him.

Posted by: Meriadoc at February 27, 2014 12:08 PM (OB4KJ)

290 I heard a great British comedy routine years back explaining the difference between the British and American political culture. "The United States has two houses in its legislature. The House of Representatives, which is like our Hose of Commons, and the Senate, which is like our House of Lords. "They also have two political parties. The Republicans, which are like our Conservative Party, and the Democrats, which are like our Conservative Party." *Rimshot* I'll be here all fortnight. Remember to tip your serving wenches.

Posted by: Beryl at February 27, 2014 12:20 PM (rNlBO)

291 One thing never mentioned in discussions about the price of grain before the revolution is that the farms were essentially an oligopoly owned by aristocratic families and real competition was never going to take place. The reform should have been preceded by political reforms.

Posted by: teapartydoc at February 27, 2014 12:22 PM (4U98b)

292 re: Article Fascism being Right Wing is based on the deterioration of Capitalism. Once Capitalism reaches it's ultimate crisis there are only two options: Socialism or Fascism. Fascism, in the historical sense, is the outgrowth of the failure of modern monarchism and nationalism. The Capitalist/Tradintionalist/Conservative/Nationalist/Bourgeoisie power bloc of France, Britain, Germany, Eastern Europe, etc lost its monopoly on power at the end of WWI in the face of an organized Socialist force throwing its weight into the democratic process, suffrage for women, etc. The formerly disenfranchised underclass realized its political power and the collapse of Imperialism/Capitalism at the end of WWI pressured the aforementioned Capitalist power bloc into synthesizing a way of governing that maintained their political power, social status, and quality of life. Thus the former monarchists and bourgeoisie classes rallied behind Fascist ideologies. Remember, the Nazi's disliked traditional Capitalism because they viewed Capitalism as a Jewish Conspiracy. The Nazi's also did not abolish class lines, but instead reinforced them and defended the rights of private property. Farms were organized by private committee that set its own price controls. I often see comparisons between Nazi Germany's Economy and that of the USA during the Great Depression. Also keep in mind that the Socialist elements of the Nazi party were actually liquidated in mass executions. So, essentially, Fascism doesn't limit the capitalist mode of production, it merely reinforces it and its class nature but protects the small/national bourgeoisie class from the self consuming International Imperialist Capitalist. In this sense, it is right wing since Fascism is developed to protect traditionally right wing classes. So, the guts of the article: Can Liberals become Fascists? Absolutely. One of the cornerstones of Marxism Leninism is that Liberal and Social Democratic blocs are not to be trusted specifically because of their predisposition towards Fascism in times of economic crisis. The article's mistake is thinking that some how a Libertarian state is not authoritarian or total and that the existence of state is defacto a Leftist institution. There will always be a controlling power manifested in some form or fashion, be it a state controlled by socialists, a state controlled by the bourgeoisie, or a monopolistic private entity. The abolishment of the state will only result in a vacuum that will be filled by some controlling entity which will use state power to reinforce its position. The author is naive if he thinks some type of Libertarian paradise would avoid this pitfall and seems to (purposefully?) forget that the eras of "less regulation" are the same eras that led to the absolute disasters such as WWI, Belgian Congo, and British & Japanese Imperialism.

Posted by: palooka at February 27, 2014 12:43 PM (5SF6v)

293 I had a recent online debate about the cycle of revolutions touching on your point. Starry-eyed revolutionary wannabes often fail to understand how quickly their earnest fight for reform can swing out of control and descend into the violent rule of the mob. They may believe their efforts will place themselves, or their reformer leaders into power; but often those paying the price for change are not the ones ending up in control. There are many historic examples of smaller, Ã¼ber-radical groups such as the Bolsheviks which manipulated much larger groups to instigate revolutions, while planning and ultimately succeeding in removing all participants but themselves from power. I always picture that young anarchist in chains in Dr.Zhivago. Once a fighter for the revolution he finds himself shipped off on a train to Siberia. The first of many Soviet purges. While Robespierre departed with a death by karma, and the Terror died down; the French revolutionary cycle moved on to create a Napoleon, the conquest of Europe, and the deaths of a generation of French males, not to mention the vast trail of destruction in Europe. Not the moderate reforms which Lafayette had in mind.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2014 01:20 PM (OU1Hh)

294 Posted by: Marcus T at February 27, 2014 03:45 PM (GGCsk) If things ever fall apart, that so-called "profession"is in it over their heads. They've branded themselves as enemy combatants. They're beyond shame; smug about their goals justified any actions. If any one group is most responsible for this mess, its them.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 27, 2014 01:41 PM (OU1Hh)

295 Louis XVI was not a Capet. He was a Bourbon. The Bourbons are a cadet branch of the House of Capet, but no one at the time would have called him "Louis Capet". Nit picked. Happy Friday.

Posted by: That Fucking Guy at February 28, 2014 03:44 AM (lyvVo)

296 Salin referred to the NAZIs and the Fascists as the right wing, but he meant the right wing in terms of socialism. The overarching difference between the left and the right, in the spectrum of socialism, which was what it was all about, was nationalism. Problem is, left and right were adopted outside of that scope, and are used differently by different parties. It's pretty rare when it's used in the strictly "international communism" vs "nationalism + communism" spectrum these days, and is more often right wing is attributed to authoritarian - for which there can be little justification, vs utopian from the perspective of the left, or individualist vs collectivist, from the perspective of the right. personally, just a spectrum of left right are not helpful labels, for the above stated reasons, along with that there are many more facets to political thought than can adequately accounted for in one dimension.

Posted by: davem at February 28, 2014 07:21 AM (E2g2d)

297

The British Tories, or conservative, were for God, King, and country. American got rid of lunics like George the III and Prince Charles of England long ago, and do not want their return. Conservative in the United States stand for Constitutional government. In other words the smallest government possible. National Socialist stand for the largest government possible. As a side note: Hitler got paid everytime his picture was used, and the German government put it everywhere, including postage stamps. Their government was Hitler. There are no rational comparisions between American conservatives and National Socialism. Just more liberal BS.

Posted by: burt at February 28, 2014 07:27 AM (1+kJ5)

298 As far as the French Revolution goes, Phillip Egalite did get to keep his property, at first. However, he ended up losing his head just like his cousin Louis, even though he (Phillip) had been among those delegates to vote in favor of Louis' execution.

Posted by: TanarUr at February 28, 2014 09:11 AM (ZVxx5)

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