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February 21, 2014

Deal In Ukraine Between President and Opposition May End Crisis... For Now
— Ace

It's a punt on the underlying issue, hoping to resolve it later.

Per Fox News' televised report, the Ukrainian president has agreed to early elections, to install, maybe, a new ruling regime.

Other concessions include an amnesty for protesters -- apparently they could have been charged for the crime of being brutalized and shot by state police -- and an end to the president's "anti-terrorism" campaign, which provided the legal pretext to use deadly force against people gathering in public squares to protest him.

Supposedly the president Yanukovych will include the opposition in the current one-party (Russia-backed) government, for whatever that may count for.

Shots rang out and tension remained high in the streets of Kiev Friday, as Ukrainian protest leaders signed a deal with Ukraine's president to defuse a political crisis that has left scores dead and hundreds injured.
The two sides signed an agreement after hours of European-led negotiations...
The Ukrainian parliament approved amnesty for protesters involved in the recent violence following the agreement Friday.
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych gave in to pressure from European diplomats, offering concessions-- including elections-- and promising to invite the opposition into the government, in an attempt to end the violence. Yanukovych gave no time frame for new elections.

Of course everyone sees the problem immediately: Tyrants do not give up power, ever. Sure, they can agree to new elections, to solve a short-term headache; but their intent is then to fix the elections in their favor.

I don't know how that will be dealt with. I imagine it won't be. The Russians are pretty good at rigging elections by this point.

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1 первый

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 21, 2014 07:11 AM (V4CBV)

2 Oneth?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 21, 2014 07:12 AM (0HooB)

3 I'm pretty sure the cat's out of the bag in Ukraine at this point. This explosion of tension didn't just HAPPEN. It's clearly been simmering for a long time. I don't think it's going to go away now that it's boiled over.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 07:13 AM (4df7R)

4 I am prepared to surrender unconditionally to the President of the Ukraine.

Posted by: John Boehner at February 21, 2014 07:14 AM (nFI1a)

5 I would argue the Russians are lousy at rigging elections, because they're always so obvious and anger the people so much. They need to study how its done in America, with the full support of the press and pressure by members of the opposition party to never mention it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:14 AM (zfY+H)

6 When tyrants make public concessions to internal forces whether they live up to them or not, their days are numbered.

Posted by: SH at February 21, 2014 07:14 AM (c2q/b)

7 Their truces don't seem to last long. This one might collapse by the end of the news cycle.

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2014 07:14 AM (RD7QR)

8 This borshst ain't cooked yet. The fat babuska ain't sung yet.

Posted by: Erowmero at February 21, 2014 07:15 AM (OONaw)

9 Tell Vladimir that I can now be flexible.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at February 21, 2014 07:16 AM (F58x4)

10 9 Tell Vladimir that I can now be flexible.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at February 21, 2014 11:16 AM (F58x4)

It's true, I can vouch for his flexibility!

Posted by: Reggie at February 21, 2014 07:17 AM (RD7QR)

11 Shazbot!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 21, 2014 07:17 AM (0HooB)

12 This is OT, but all y'all down in the southeast, be careful! I see that there are some pretty severe thunderstorms heading your way with the potential for tornadoes. Stay safe!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 07:17 AM (4df7R)

13 Well, this is obviously a win for Obama! Because, you know, everything is.

Posted by: blaster at February 21, 2014 07:17 AM (4+AaH)

14 Anyone up for a bet on how long this truce lasts? I predict that the whole thing goes boom 24 to 48 hours after the Sochi Olympics are over.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at February 21, 2014 07:17 AM (NSh5j)

15 Of course everyone sees the problem immediately: Tyrants do not give up power, ever. Sure, they can agree to new elections, to solve a short-term headache; but their intent is then to fix the elections in their favor.

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The fact that the government is willing to have a truce to me seems a sign of weakness. They might just be afraid of bad publicity, but I have a feeling that the current leadership is weak and might end up being replaced.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 21, 2014 07:18 AM (/i3Yt)

16 If the Ukraine is reconquered, can Belarus, Latvia and Poland be next? With Russian population shrinking the need for soldiers to defend Siberia from China must be pretty intense.

Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2014 07:18 AM (F58x4)

17 The babushkas (grandmothers) were making Molotov cocktails and arming themselves with rocks yesterday. At least 70 reported dead and hundreds wounded at the hand of the police, there are probably more. I don't think that it is "over" yet.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at February 21, 2014 07:18 AM (5ikDv)

18 In Russia elections fix YOU.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at February 21, 2014 07:19 AM (2oU2+)

19 Of course everyone sees the problem immediately: Tyrants do not give up power, ever. Sure, they can agree to new elections, to solve a short-term headache; but their intent is then to fix the elections in their favor. I don't know how that will be dealt with. I imagine it won't be. The Russians are pretty good at rigging elections by this point. IOW, every one pause, rest & resupply for part deaux.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2014 07:19 AM (GjYxB)

20 Kicking the can down the road is always an option, and a fairly useful option to preserve the status quo as you work to better your position. Shooting is always risky because you never really know how that will actually play out - the variables are too many and the situation is too prone to spinning out of control.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - KaBoom- The Cereal of Settling Now at the Outrage Outlet at February 21, 2014 07:19 AM (hLRSq)

21 Don't mind me. I'll just sit over here in the corner.

Posted by: venezuela at February 21, 2014 07:19 AM (14um2)

22 The fact that this is a European-brokered deal does not give me much hope for its longevity.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 07:19 AM (4df7R)

23 16 If the Ukraine is reconquered, can Belarus, Latvia and Poland be next? With Russian population shrinking the need for soldiers to defend Siberia from China must be pretty intense.

Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2014 11:18 AM (F58x4)

No point in invading Belarus -- they're firmly in Russia's orbit. What's more, Latvia and Poland cooperate with NATO, so there's no invading them without repercussions.

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2014 07:20 AM (RD7QR)

24 The effing Zero would dearly love to turn armed thugs loose on the next Teaparty rally. I guarantee it. And the MSM would clap with glee.

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2014 07:20 AM (xWW96)

25 This also gives the regime time to analyze the riot photographs, identify the ringleaders and disappear them, infiltrate the organizations, and do all the other things.

Posted by: Vlad, Hundal, and Messia LLC at February 21, 2014 07:20 AM (7UMzd)

26 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 21, 2014 07:20 AM (PYAXX)

27 If the Ukraine is reconquered, can Belarus, Latvia and Poland be next?

Latvia and Poland are in the EU...might be a little more difficult this time.

Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 07:21 AM (ZKzrr)

28 Anyone up for a bet on how long this truce lasts? I predict that the whole thing goes boom 24 to 48 hours after the Sochi Olympics are over. I'll take the under for this Sunday.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2014 07:21 AM (GjYxB)

29 Obama only disagrees with Vlad's Ukraine policy in one area - Tactics.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at February 21, 2014 07:21 AM (5ikDv)

30 I don't have a dog in this hunt, but IMO, anything they claim is being done is merely for public consumption. After the Olympics are over, the body count will rise dramatically in inverse proportion to the media coverage.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 21, 2014 07:21 AM (0HooB)

31 Latvia and Poland are in the EU...might be a little more difficult this time. Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 11:21 AM (ZKzrr) the EU? How many divisions do they have? I mean how many do they have that are fully armed and would actually be used in other than a Parade?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:22 AM (t3UFN)

32 This is actually a good "tyrant test." If it's really "just" a clash between two sides unwilling to compromise on certain things, the President will run clean elections, and things will get better. If he's really a tyrant, we'll find out when his party gains a bunch of extra seats. Either way, it should at least provide clarity on who the "Good guys" are.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 21, 2014 07:22 AM (PYAXX)

33 Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2014 11:21 AM (GjYxB) You may be onto something: apparently, Viking mythology says that the end of days starts sometime this weekend.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at February 21, 2014 07:22 AM (NSh5j)

34 Tyrants do not give up power, ever. In many ways, isn't this also the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:23 AM (7ObY1)

35 And everyone in the MFM is ignoring Venezuela.

Posted by: rd at February 21, 2014 07:23 AM (D+lxs)

36 "The Russians are pretty good at rigging elections by this point."

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And isn't this story of rigged elections really the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2014 07:23 AM (OtQXp)

37 27 Latvia and Poland are in the EU...might be a little more difficult this time. Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 11:21 AM (ZKzrr) ============================ That would be a very strongly worded letter the EU would send, wouldn't it? Well then, I'm sure Latvia and Poland are safe.

Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2014 07:24 AM (F58x4)

38 "We have resumed negotiations. All is well. Return to your homes. Peace is at hand."

Posted by: J.F. Kurrie at February 21, 2014 07:24 AM (7UMzd)

39 I mean how many do they have that are fully armed and would actually be used in other than a Parade?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:22 AM (t3UFN)

You mean divisions of troops have purposes other than parades?

Posted by: Kim Jong-Un at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (eV1I0)

40 You may be onto something: apparently, Viking mythology says that the end of days starts sometime this weekend. Sell, SMOD was just a tease the other night, so maybe the Vikings will get it right. Growing so tired of the humans on this planet...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (0HooB)

41 Anyone know where to buy stock in pollonium futures?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (v6cwT)

42 OT: Canada Economy Alert Our partners are buying pizza and putting the game on the 1080p projectors in our boardroom. Extrapolate to the rest of Canada.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (/29Nl)

43 I'm sure Latvia and Poland are safe. Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2014 11:24 AM (F58x4) Me too

Posted by: Neville Chamberllain at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (t3UFN)

44 Sell = Well

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (0HooB)

45 You may be onto something: apparently, Viking mythology says that the end of days starts sometime this weekend. Posted by: right wing whippersnapper Meh. I was thinking more along the lines of "Mondays suck. The worst day of rioting beats the best day of work".

Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2014 07:25 AM (GjYxB)

46 Extrapolate to the rest of Canada.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 11:25 AM (/29Nl)

So now would be a good time to launch a sneak invasion?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 07:26 AM (4df7R)

47 "It isn't who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes!"

Posted by: J Stalin at February 21, 2014 07:26 AM (o3MSL)

48 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:26 AM (t3UFN)

49 I'm tires of these teases, enough with lies about the world ending and come-ons. Put up or shut up.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:27 AM (zfY+H)

50 Our partners are buying pizza and putting the game on the 1080p projectors in our boardroom. Extrapolate to the rest of Canada. For those of us unable to watch, can we haz running commentary?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2014 07:27 AM (GjYxB)

51 Only 100 dead so far? I can kill that many before 8am and be home in time for cornflakes.

PS Anyone interested in buying some chemical weapons? I've got plenty.

Posted by: Bashir Assad at February 21, 2014 07:28 AM (cHZB7)

52 In many ways, isn't this also the story of Barack Obama? Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 11:23 AM (7ObY1) And you naive conservatives are worrying about a candidate for the 2016 election just like you think here will be a 2016 election!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 21, 2014 07:29 AM (o3MSL)

53 Grognard: I don't know where in Mississauga your office is, but I'll be watching the game at the Goose and Firkin on Eglinton if you want a pint. Fat guy with short hair and beard wearing a grey, long-sleeved work shirt.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 21, 2014 07:29 AM (14um2)

54 "PS Anyone interested in buying some chemical weapons? I've got plenty."
They were imports about a decade ago from... somewhere...

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:30 AM (zfY+H)

55 President Obama is under fire from Republicans for backtracking on proposed Social Security and other benefit cuts in his upcoming budget proposal. The White House confirmed Thursday that the presidentÂ’s forthcoming budget blueprint would no longer contain what had been a central component of his long-term debt-reduction strategy. In years past, Obama had offered to trim cost-of-living increases in Social Security and other benefit programs Â– known as chained CPI. Not anymore. Â“This reaffirms what has become all too apparent: the president has no interest in doing anything, even modest, to address our looming debt crisis,Â” House Speaker John BoehnerÂ’s spokesman Brendan Buck said in a statement. ???? But yet you gave him a clean debt ceiling increase? Because you trusted him?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:30 AM (t3UFN)

56 Vlad gave Weird Al Yankovich permission to pretend to be reasonable. Such a kind czar. Men's Hockey tv coverage starting, puck drops some time after noon.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 21, 2014 07:30 AM (ZshNr)

57 So now would be a good time to launch a sneak invasion? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 21, 2014 11:26 AM (4df7R) You wouldn't even have to sneak. I'm not exaggerating when I say that no one here can even concentrate on anything else.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:31 AM (/29Nl)

58 "And you naive conservatives are worrying about a candidate for the 2016 election just like you think here will be a 2016 election!"
Oh, they'll go through the motions. Its good television and it gets a ton of donor money moving around through the slush funds. Nobody is going to look too closely at the Democrat electoral funding or federal money given to organizations like ACORN. Its like Christmas every 2 years.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:31 AM (zfY+H)

59 In before the Infowars troll

Posted by: buzzion at February 21, 2014 07:32 AM (LI48c)

60 You wouldn't even have to sneak. I'm not exaggerating when I say that no one here can even concentrate on anything else.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 11:31 AM (/29Nl)

That's good, since knowing the Horde it'd probably be more of a Noisy Drunken Invasion.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 07:32 AM (4df7R)

59: "In before the Infowars troll"

Shhhhh! If you call them, they will come.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 21, 2014 07:32 AM (Kh+vp)

62 Grognard: I don't know where in Mississauga your office is, but I'll be watching the game at the Goose and Firkin on Eglinton if you want a pint. Fat guy with short hair and beard wearing a grey, long-sleeved work shirt. Posted by: andycanuck at February 21, 2014 11:29 AM (14um2) I live in Mississauga, but I work in Toronto in the Distillery District. If I was in Miss today I would definitely be by!

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:33 AM (/29Nl)

63 We have an Infowars troll? I hope it's more entertaining than the Muzzie troll crapping on Hot Gas's threads.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:33 AM (7ObY1)

64 Don't worry. Obama drew another line in the sand...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at February 21, 2014 07:33 AM (9+ccr)

65 ???? But yet you gave him a clean debt ceiling increase? Because you trusted him? Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:30 AM (t3UFN) Only imbeciles expect different results when they continually repeat previous idiotic actions! Only establishment politicians, with their hands deep in the till, don't really care about the end result when they continually repeat previous idiotic actions!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 21, 2014 07:33 AM (o3MSL)

66 You may be onto something: apparently, Viking mythology says that the end of days starts sometime this weekend.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper

Ragnarok

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 21, 2014 07:33 AM (FMbng)

67 Fat guy with short hair and beard wearing a grey, long-sleeved work shirt.

---
Isn't that, like, everybody in Canada?

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 21, 2014 07:34 AM (KQp38)

68 Soon, the Canadians will be rioting as well. Very soon.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 21, 2014 07:34 AM (cWpCn)

69 We're getting hit with a monsoon in Virginia.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 07:34 AM (6bMeY)

70 Can we haz a hockey game thread? If we all promise to play nice, since we have Canadian 'rons?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:34 AM (7ObY1)

71 55 President Obama is under fire from Republicans for backtracking on proposed Social Security and other benefit cuts in his upcoming budget proposal.

The White House confirmed Thursday that the presidentÂ’s forthcoming budget blueprint would no longer contain what had been a central component of his long-term debt-reduction strategy. In years past, Obama had offered to trim cost-of-living increases in Social Security and other benefit programs Â– known as chained CPI. Not anymore.

Â“This reaffirms what has become all too apparent: the president has no interest in doing anything, even modest, to address our looming debt crisis,Â” House Speaker John BoehnerÂ’s spokesman Brendan Buck said in a statement.

???? But yet you gave him a clean debt ceiling increase? Because you trusted him?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:30 AM (t3UFN)

This is why that fuckhead Boehner's claim that they were tabling amnesty because Obama can't be trusted was absolute bullshit. It was because his position of power was threatened if he pushed forward.

Posted by: buzzion at February 21, 2014 07:34 AM (LI48c)

72 For those of us unable to watch, can we haz running commentary? Posted by: rickb223 at February 21, 2014 11:27 AM (GjYxB) That would be high comedy. I enjoy watching hockey, but not my sport. "That guy sucks, and he just did something to that other guy." I do know that some people here are very conflicted that they have to root against Phil Kessel.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:35 AM (/29Nl)

73 69 We're getting hit with a monsoon in Virginia. Must be the one that hit us overnight in WNY. I thought the roof was going to blow off.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:35 AM (7ObY1)

74 Barky takes credit for this diplomatic "coup" in 1-2-3..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 21, 2014 07:35 AM (Z7PrM)

75 Tornado Watch.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 07:35 AM (6bMeY)

76 We have an Infowars troll?

I hope it's more entertaining than the Muzzie troll crapping on Hot Gas's threads.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 11:33 AM (7ObY1)

Our Infowars troll's position is essentially: "Fuck the Ukraine. Good luck getting American's to support sending in our military to die for a bunch of EU Marxists and Russian commies."

The Infowars troll's favorite sex toy is a man made of straw.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 07:35 AM (4df7R)

77 I'm still waiting to pick a side on this one. I have little doubt that President Weird Al is a tyrant, I'm just not sure that this is any reason to back the three month strong Occupy Kiev protest.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 21, 2014 07:35 AM (W7ffl)

78 Biden was on the phone yesterday with them. He.is.a.genius!

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2014 07:36 AM (fWAjv)

79 We had that monsoon earlier in NC. Absolutely pouring buckets for a couple hours. Clearing now, birds tweeting. probably 60-65 degrees. The ground is so wet you can't walk anywhere that isn't paved or you sink two inches into wet clay.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 21, 2014 07:36 AM (ZshNr)

80 67 Fat guy with short hair and beard wearing a grey, long-sleeved work shirt. --- Isn't that, like, everybody in Canada? You have to add a mullet. THEN it's everybody in Canada.

(I keed, I keed. Many of my close friends are canadian. And I'm part Canuck myself.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:36 AM (7ObY1)

81 Fat guy with short hair and beard wearing a grey, long-sleeved work shirt. --- Isn't that, like, everybody in Canada? Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 21, 2014 11:34 AM (KQp3 Not in Mississauga, by a long shot.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:36 AM (/29Nl)

82 Yeah, elections with results like our infallible system, such as 106% participation at polls in Philly.

Posted by: Mainah at February 21, 2014 07:36 AM (659DL)

83 Anyone who doubts the sincerity of this Russian installed puppet president needs look no farther than the "Reset" button Hillary gave Russia....

Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 07:37 AM (o6g4X)

84 Our partners are buying pizza and putting the game on the 1080p projectors in our boardroom.

I need to work for a different company.

Posted by: Pliny the VIth at February 21, 2014 07:37 AM (t8ySh)

85 I need to work for a different company. seconded

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:38 AM (7ObY1)

86 We have systems moving in from two different directions.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 07:38 AM (6bMeY)

87 And next week...here comes Polar Vortex II...Son of Polar Vortex

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 07:39 AM (7ObY1)

Government killers v.s. anti-government killers.

At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 21, 2014 07:39 AM (f6ZLT)

89 US-Canada Men's Hockey about to start

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:39 AM (t3UFN)

90 The Russians are pretty good at rigging elections by this point.

If it hasn't been said already...

"This is also the story of Obama."

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2014 07:39 AM (GQ8sn)

91 Ukraine, we give you tip: Make sure border defense ready.

Posted by: Country of Georgia at February 21, 2014 07:39 AM (659DL)

92 The Infowars troll's favorite sex toy is a man made of straw.

That's gotta itch.

Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 07:39 AM (ZKzrr)

93 "But yet you gave him a clean debt ceiling increase? Because you trusted him?"
I think they are working under the "give him enough rope" theory, but that only works if you present a clear, positive alternative to the guy with the rope. I'm not seeing that from the GOP.
See, people agree almost universally that the Democrats suck and Obama is lousy at his job. The problem is that they also almost universally agree that the Republicans are worse.
And while I don't agree, too few are making any effort to show and follow through on being a viable alternative with good ideas.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:40 AM (zfY+H)

94 Even without the mistranslation, that stupid "Reset Button" was the most childish fucking thing I've ever seen a SecState do. Considering how Putin has treated us since, I'm sure he was just as contemptuous of it as I am. Fucknozzles playing Model UN with the real world.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 21, 2014 07:40 AM (ZshNr)

95 "President Obama is under fire from Republicans for backtracking on proposed Social Security and other benefit cuts in his upcoming budget proposal." At this point, any Republican that makes a deal with "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" lying liar Obama is an inveterate idiot. All of his promises come with an expiration date plus he is a pathological liar. Any Republican that tries to "work with him" or make deals with him needs to be unelected because he is too stupid to represent his constituents.

Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 07:40 AM (o6g4X)

96 "Yeah, elections with results like our infallible system, such as 106% participation at polls in Philly."
Or the districts in Ohio that voted 100% for President Obama. Even Saddam Hussein didn't get that kind of support.
But it was the storm that beat Romney!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:40 AM (zfY+H)

97 Yeah, because conflicts that involve sewing protesters' mouths shut with shoestring are always settled peacefully and with new elections.... http://tinyurl.com/mmpkssr

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 21, 2014 07:40 AM (da5Wo)

98 So how long before a comedienne comes out with a Sarah Palin skit saying "I can see the Ukraine burning from my house"?

Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 07:41 AM (o6g4X)

99 I need to work for a different company. Posted by: Pliny the VIth at February 21, 2014 11:37 AM (t8ySh) We are hiring. Visualization developers and a tech writer/instructional video/demo video producer. I've gotten a bonus and a raise every year since I started, great work/life balance. Lots of room for initiative. We have a summer party on the island at the yacht club, a Christmas party in various high-end venues every year (one door prize this year was a PS4, and that wasn't the most expensive), and we usually have about 3 barbecues and 4 pub nights per year. This place is quite a diamond in the rough. My choice was work for RIM, or work here. I chose....wisely.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:41 AM (/29Nl)

100 ???? But yet you gave him a clean debt ceiling increase? Because you trusted him?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:30 AM (t3UFN)

To get the question off the table and put the onus on the Democrats for raising the debt ceiling. A distraction from ObamaCare would only have benefitted the Democrats.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - KaBoom- The Cereal of Settling Now at the Outrage Outlet at February 21, 2014 07:41 AM (hLRSq)

101

92: "The Infowars troll's favorite sex toy is a man made of straw.

That's gotta itch."

Might make a good sybian to sell to the eco-warrior princesses.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 21, 2014 07:41 AM (f6ZLT)

102 Over 100% of the electorate has spoken in Cleveland.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 07:41 AM (6bMeY)

103 Posted by: EC at February 21, 2014 11:39 AM (GQ8sn) I didn't read all the comments a la Breitbart, but this imho, is the thread winnah!

Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 07:42 AM (o6g4X)

104 "Even without the mistranslation, that stupid "Reset Button" was the most childish fucking thing I've ever seen a SecState do. Considering how Putin has treated us since, I'm sure he was just as contemptuous of it as I am. Fucknozzles playing Model UN with the real world."
Yeah, that's exactly it. They are great at the fake, safe, and carefully controlled pretend versions of government that they did in college, wrote about in papers, and talked about in late night jam sessions. But when it comes down to actually doing the job, they're constantly revealed as not just incompetent, but childishly so.
Hillary Clinton is trying reeeeally hard to get people to ignore her run as Secretary of State which accomplished absolutely zero good but had several cringe-worthy disasters and embarrassments while on her watch. She's as lousy at the job as President Obama. During the 2008 elections, I was pulling more for her than Obama because I figured she had guts and understood foreign policy better.
Clearly I was wrong. She barely understands how to dress herself.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:43 AM (zfY+H)

105 Not in Mississauga, by a long shot. Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 11:36 AM

Kinda like not everybody in Texas wears a cowboy hat and drives a horse to work.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 21, 2014 07:43 AM (KQp38)

106 91 Ukraine, we give you tip: Make sure border defense ready.

Posted by: Country of Georgia at February 21, 2014 11:39 AM (659DL)

I've got a nasty feeling Vlad will give them more than just the tip.

[Try the veal.]

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2014 07:43 AM (RD7QR)

107 This place is quite a diamond in the rough. My choice was work for RIM, or work here. I chose....wisely. Where are you? Will you hire a cardiac surgery operating room nurse with none of that experience but is thinking of leaping out of healthcare because of Obamacare, lol!

Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 07:44 AM (o6g4X)

108 Polish foreign minister to Ukranian citizens: Support this deal "or you will all be dead". http://bit.ly/NikH7S

Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2014 07:44 AM (F58x4)

109 A Ukrainian won gold today in women's biathalon. If she gets political would they strip her of her medal? I don't know IOC rules.

Also, anyone have livestream links for THE hockey game?

Posted by: LizLem at February 21, 2014 07:45 AM (BF+2f)

110 70 Can we haz a hockey game thread? If we all promise to play nice, since we have Canadian 'rons? Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 21, 2014 11:34 AM (7ObY1) At least we should be allowed to give them noogies. It's a matter of honor!

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 21, 2014 07:45 AM (6Nj7A)

111 I think they are working under the "give him enough rope" theory, but that only works if you present a clear, positive alternative to the guy with the rope. I'm not seeing that from the GOP. I don't get this, either. Why not say: "This won't work. It will damage the country. We have a better plan, but they won't even entertain our ideas. *wave plan in air* So, we'll step aside. Prove us wrong. But....when it goes to hell, remember who stood up here saying they are wrong. Remember it well. Because when people's lives are being ruined, we'll still be more than happy to pass a plan *wave paper* that WILL fix it. "

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:46 AM (/29Nl)

112

Olympics end this Sunday. Russian tanks are in Kiev Monday morning.

As I recall, in both Hungary 1956 and Czechoslovakia 1968 the regime initially gave in to protesters demands. A few days later the Russian sent in tanks and took all the protest leaders off to the camps.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 21, 2014 07:46 AM (AVz13)

113 was the most childish fucking thing I've ever seen a SecState do --------- Well her only accomplishments were being married to a philandering, abusive president and a do nothing Senator. So she's clearly presidential material.

Posted by: Adam at February 21, 2014 07:46 AM (Aif/5)

114 Clearly I was wrong. She barely understands how to dress herself. I disagree. I think you are overestimating her fashion sense. She doesn't dress well at all. She always looks frumpy, dumpy all the time, and her hair--remember the scrunchie and the pony tail? (I guess that was to emphasize that with all her important work at State and relentless travel, she was too busy to get it cut and styled). Her designer Pantsuits by Chairman Mao are too severe for her. She needs collars!

Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 07:46 AM (o6g4X)

115 No leader can kill all their people. If the people genuinely rise up against a tyrant, he's finished. There's just not enough military and even if there was, there's not going to be a country left to rule if you butcher your population.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:47 AM (zfY+H)

116 Bleh! Just realized I left some nasty old sock on!

Posted by: runningrn at February 21, 2014 07:47 AM (o6g4X)

117 The Ukrainians have a choice. Stay with Yank and be a puppet of Russia or join the EU (NATO) so they can become debt slaves to the EU bankster elites. Again, just like Syria, this is about pipelines and the desire to break Russia's stranglehold on the EU's NatGas supply. Gazprom supplies the EU with about 90% of their NatGas. 136 bcfd flow west through Ukraine. Right now Langley, Mossad, MI6 and others are spending billions of dollars to destabilize the Ukraine and force the break from Russia. Once Ukraine falls into NATO hands, we have the land to start destabilizing Iran, Syria and Russia. Folks, this is all about controlling the energy supplies and our goobermint is deep into this with blood on their hands. Watch for more false flags from Langley because peace is not an option for these greedy fucks.

Posted by: superflex at February 21, 2014 07:47 AM (4a/4i)

118 Ukraine keeps feeling more and more like Kuwait, and Russia Iraq. But if Russia invaded Ukraine, crickets from the WH, no doubt. No baltic desert storm...tundra storm?

Posted by: LizLem at February 21, 2014 07:48 AM (BF+2f)

119 Well her only accomplishments were being married to a philandering, abusive president and a do nothing Senator. So she's clearly presidential material. Only if you are a liberal. If you are a conservative, then you are just some little Tammy Wynette who stood by her man as you baked cookies.

Posted by: runningrn at February 21, 2014 07:48 AM (o6g4X)

120 The interim belongs to us and our Rock the Vote campaign.

Posted by: Muslim Brotherhood at February 21, 2014 07:49 AM (FbMva)

121 Where are you? Will you hire a cardiac surgery operating room nurse with none of that experience but is thinking of leaping out of healthcare because of Obamacare, lol! Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 11:44 AM (o6g4X) Company is in Toronto. And if we ever get into medical data visualization, I'll let you know.

Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 07:50 AM (/29Nl)

122 Hockey Stream?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 07:50 AM (6bMeY)

123 @97...conflicts that involve sewing protesters' mouths shut with shoestring... We're good with that.

Posted by: FCC Message Control Officer at February 21, 2014 07:50 AM (5ikDv)

124 I don't know how that will be dealt with. I imagine it won't be. The Russians are pretty good at rigging elections by this point. Bloodshed, gunfire, imposition of martial law, riots and burning? Just a guess. Yeah, I'm whistling past the graveyard because I don't see any non-violent end to this.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at February 21, 2014 07:50 AM (VtjlW)

125 That didn't take long, or else somebody socks Alex Jones clones well.

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2014 07:51 AM (RD7QR)

126 Posted by: grognard at February 21, 2014 11:50 AM (/29Nl) Lol, thanks!

Posted by: runningrn at February 21, 2014 07:51 AM (o6g4X)

127 Posted by: Thieving Katrina Thugs at February 21, 2014 11:46 AM

Exhibit A:

http://tinyurl.com/lpw4koe

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 21, 2014 07:51 AM (KQp38)

128 >>>I'm still waiting to pick a side on this one. I have little doubt that President Weird Al is a tyrant, I'm just not sure that this is any reason to back the three month strong Occupy Kiev protest.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 21, 2014 11:35 AM (W7ffl)

Yeah, same. Another thing to keep in mind about Putin in particular is that there are two large political parties in Russia: Putin's United Russia... and the Communist Party. So everybody rooting for Putin's defenestration: that probably won't lead to Russia abandoning its dreams of Soviet revanchism.

Posted by: Paul at February 21, 2014 07:51 AM (9qDRl)

129 Anndddd... the EU just poked a finger in the eye of the Bear... Russians have a paranoia about being invaded by Europe, and Asia, because it has happened so often historically. So they have a concept called the 'Near Abroad'... which like our own Monroe Doctrine, says 'we do not want major powers to have allies, and influence, on States in our area of Power... This is EXACTLY what kicked off the Georgian conflict under Bush.... when we started running Ops with our Allies the Georgians ON THEIR BORDER. Now, Ukraine wants 'closer ties' with the EU... which is at this time headed by, of all people... the GERMANS... Note.... the EU HAS no Army.... and the Defense budget of its member states is Minimal... All it has are Bureaucrats.... so what will they do... send a harshly worded Letter to Putin? This is not over....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 21, 2014 07:52 AM (84gbM)

130 As I said earlier it seems fair to me that if our guys win today Canada has to take Bieber back and we get all the best looking girls. I suggested Malin Ackerman and Elisha Cuthbert for starters but my list is really just a starter suggestion more than anything else.

Posted by: MTF at February 21, 2014 07:52 AM (F58x4)

131 Clearly I was wrong. She barely understands how to dress herself. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 11:43 AM (zfY+H) Say it loud and say it often - Shrillary's two, and only two, accomplishments are: 1. Married, enabled and defended a serial sexual predator for several decades 2. Caused the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi through negligence and inaction.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 21, 2014 07:52 AM (HsTG8)

132 116 Bleh! Just realized I left some nasty old sock on!

Posted by: runningrn at February 21, 2014 11:47 AM (o6g4X)

There's a reason leaving a sock on is called runningrn disease.

Posted by: buzzion at February 21, 2014 07:53 AM (LI48c)

133 Chillax, everybody. I'm on it.

Posted by: Joe Effin Biden at February 21, 2014 07:53 AM (GSIDW)

134 Shrillary's two, and only two, accomplishments are:

3. Squeezed out an heir who married into another politcal crime family.

Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 07:53 AM (ZKzrr)

135 No leader can kill all their people. If the people genuinely rise up against a tyrant, he's finished. There's just not enough military and even if there was, there's not going to be a country left to rule if you butcher your population.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 11:47 AM (zfY+H)

The point isn't to kill them all. The point is to kill enough to terrorize the survivors into submission and obedience. Of course, ideas differ on how many victims constitute 'enough'. Pol Pot liquidated a third of his country's population in the span of a few short years. I remember reading that, toward the end, Khmer Rouge executioners working in the killing fields were using bayonets and machetes because they were running out of bullets.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2014 07:53 AM (2jF2B)

136 Watch out for the billions of thetans that Xenu is sending into the Ukraine to destabilize the joo mind control waves that have destabilizing Ukraine's grain production too. That's where the serious shit is.

Posted by: Alex Jones Hubbard at February 21, 2014 07:53 AM (Aif/5)

137 USA v Canada - Win One To Expel The Bieber!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 21, 2014 07:53 AM (HsTG8)

138 Kinda like not everybody in Texas wears a cowboy hat and drives a horse to work.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie

But we do all have horns on the front of our cars. It's a state law.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at February 21, 2014 07:54 AM (fk1A8)

139 USA v Canada - Win One To Expel The Bieber! Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling StarsÂ™ at February 21, 2014 11:53 AM (HsTG

Actually that is pretty funny that that is making the rounds.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:54 AM (t3UFN)

140 Did it start yet?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 07:55 AM (6bMeY)

141 As I said earlier it seems fair to me that if our guys win today Canada has to take Bieber back and we get all the best looking girls. I suggested Malin Ackerman and Elisha Cuthbert for starters but my list is really just a starter suggestion more than anything else.

Malin Ackerman is not Canadian. She is Swedish.

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2014 07:55 AM (GQ8sn)

142 "I don't get this, either. Why not say: "This won't work. It will damage the country. We have a better plan, but they won't even entertain our ideas. *wave plan in air* So, we'll step aside. Prove us wrong. But....when it goes to hell, remember who stood up here saying they are wrong. Remember it well. Because when people's lives are being ruined, we'll still be more than happy to pass a plan *wave paper* that WILL fix it. ""
Well, that's how I think they should handle it all. Give the Democrats what they want, let them have it all but make it clear you protest, make it clear you have an alternative, and always, always push the problems with what the Dems are doing at every forum.
Bring a copy of your alternative wherever you go, and be well informed on it so you can refer to it and bring it up, answer questions, and sound prepared.
But the GOP is run by idiots who won't listen to their base and honestly I think most politicians are sub-normal IQ glad-handers who are great at running for office but can't tie their own shoes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:55 AM (zfY+H)

143 So what happens if the Canadians win, do we have to grant Bieber citizenship?

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2014 07:55 AM (RD7QR)

144 3. Squeezed out an heir with no discernible practical skills/b] who married into another politcal crime family. Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 11:53 AM (ZKzrr) FIFY

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 21, 2014 07:55 AM (HsTG8)

145 After the Olympics Soshi is gonna empty out like Detroit on cleaning day. It's gonna look like a ghost town

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:56 AM (t3UFN)

146 I said this yesterday.

The Ukrainians have to choose between Soviet-style forced collectivism or the Russians.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 21, 2014 07:56 AM (fwARV)

147 OT - Upside - IT made computer faster Downside - perhaps made faster by wiping out every fucking file since September! Happy Damn Friday!

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2014 07:56 AM (fWAjv)

148 Ok, we have loaded again. Fight on.

Posted by: Ukraine Policia at February 21, 2014 07:56 AM (Q6pxP)

149 So what happens if the Canadians win, do we have to grant Bieber citizenship? Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2014 11:55 AM (RD7QR) The loser gets Bieber

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 07:56 AM (t3UFN)

150 And "Barrel Begone!Â™" saves me again!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 21, 2014 07:56 AM (HsTG8)

151 147 OT -

Upside - IT made computer faster

Downside - perhaps made faster by wiping out every fucking file since September!

Happy Damn Friday!

Posted by: RWC at February 21, 2014 11:56 AM (fWAjv)

Backup? Yeah, I guess we could start doing that.

Posted by: Your IT Guy at February 21, 2014 07:57 AM (RD7QR)

152 t's gonna look like a ghost town Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN) With roaming packs of feral dogs...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 21, 2014 07:57 AM (HsTG8)

153 All our Biebers are belong to you!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 21, 2014 07:57 AM (NF2Bf)

154 "But if Russia invaded Ukraine, crickets from the WH, no doubt. No baltic desert storm...tundra storm?"
Think back to when Russia invaded Georgia and President Obama's feeble, tepid response of "both sides are bad for being violent and should just get along."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 07:58 AM (zfY+H)

155 152 t's gonna look like a ghost town Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN) With roaming packs of feral dogs... Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling StarsÂ™ at February 21, 2014 11:57 AM (HsTG

And the occasional subhuman mongrel.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2014 07:58 AM (Exyxi)

156 As I recall, in both Hungary 1956 and Czechoslovakia 1968 the regime initially gave in to protesters demands. A few days later the Russian sent in tanks and took all the protest leaders off to the camps.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 21, 2014 11:46 AM (AVz13)
=========

Yep- the only reason for negotiation is to see who shows up to negotiate from the protester's side. Whoever does will be promptly arrested, "disappeared", and tortured into revealing the identities of other dissident leaders.

Lather
Rinse
Repeat...

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2014 07:59 AM (OtQXp)

157 The loser gets Bieber

The winner gets a zero-G ride with Alexandra Daddario, and a spot in the gold-medal game, but mostly a zero-G ride with Alexandra Daddario.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 21, 2014 08:00 AM (t8ySh)

158

Whoever does will be promptly arrested, "disappeared", and tortured into revealing the identities of other dissident leaders.

Lather
Rinse
Repeat...

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 21, 2014 11:59 AM (OtQXp)

That's pretty much how Braveheart starts...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 21, 2014 08:00 AM (fwARV)

159 I am surprised we are not more focused on the stuff going on closer by in Venezuela.

Posted by: Votermom at February 21, 2014 08:00 AM (GSIDW)

160 Nood hockey!

Posted by: EC at February 21, 2014 08:00 AM (GQ8sn)

161 "Yep- the only reason for negotiation is to see who shows up to negotiate from the protester's side. Whoever does will be promptly arrested, "disappeared", and tortured into revealing the identities of other dissident leaders."
But then Hollywood can make a film with hot naked girls about how the people there got to love and long for the good old days of Communist rule.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 08:01 AM (zfY+H)

162 160 Nood hockey! Posted by: EC at February 21, 2014 12:00 PM (GQ8sn) Chilly. Also, ouch.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2014 08:01 AM (Exyxi)

163 Unbearable Lightness of Being, that's what the film was called. Won lots of awards about people unable to cope with Communism being gone.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 08:02 AM (zfY+H)

164 http://gofirstrowus.eu/watch/241381/3/watch-ice-hockey:-usa-vs-canada.html

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 21, 2014 08:02 AM (6bMeY)

165 With roaming packs of feral dogs...

They're not all that feral. Our hockey players are bringing a bunch back.
http://is.gd/D7YuZU

Posted by: HR at February 21, 2014 08:03 AM (ZKzrr)

166 Nude thread up (heh!)

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 21, 2014 08:03 AM (HsTG8)

167 Russia just suspended the next tranche of loans to Ukraine

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 21, 2014 08:03 AM (/i3Yt)

168

"Other concessions include an amnesty for protesters -- apparently they could have been charged for the crime of being brutalized and shot by state police --"

Or maybe for the crime of killing police? At least seven policemen were killed and dozens wounded. Some were deliberately burned alive.

If you want to argue it was justified, okay, but this was a violent uprising, not a "protest".

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at February 21, 2014 08:03 AM (DPMu1)

169 The Ukrainians have to choose between Soviet-style forced collectivism or the Russians.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 21, 2014 11:56 AM (fwARV)

And I laughed, and then cried for the fate of Europe, yesterday.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 21, 2014 08:03 AM (QFxY5)

170 t's gonna look like a ghost town

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 21, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN)

With roaming packs of feral dogs...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling StarsÂ™ at February 21, 2014 11:57 AM (HsTG

...Oh, you're talking about Sochi! I couldn't figure out why we were suddenly discussing Detroit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at February 21, 2014 08:04 AM (4df7R)

171 Chelsea Clinton's 33 but she is not aging well. She's been married for 4 years but with the guy since college. I sense that they are having problems conceiving. So, why not adopt? Too selfish?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 21, 2014 08:06 AM (6Nj7A)

172 Russia, especially Putin and his gang, have never given up on the dream of a vast empire. They're totally convinced that Russians are better than everyone else and ought to rule. Communism as a system was a means to an end for these guys, not anything they were wedded to.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 08:08 AM (zfY+H)

173 163 Unbearable Lightness of Being, that's what the film was called. Won lots of awards about people unable to cope with Communism being gone. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 12:02 PM (zfY+H) I think it was the opposite: people living under communism in Czechoslovakia.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 21, 2014 08:09 AM (6Nj7A)

174 " I sense that they are having problems conceiving."
Or they're like nearly every modern young couple I know that simply don't want kids because they get in the way and are a harsh on their mellow.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 08:09 AM (zfY+H)

175 Tornado warning just to the North and another to the South of me in the Northern Neck of Va.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 21, 2014 08:10 AM (LxRVI)

176 Posted by: Judge Pug at February 21, 2014 12:06 PM (6Nj7A)

Chelsea is a hybrid and probably can't conceive.

Jackal/horn-dog hybrid to be precise.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 21, 2014 08:11 AM (QFxY5)

177 The commies have done so many shitty things. One commie from I think Hungary or Czechoslovakia was in Moscow with his wife and children when the KGB snatched his infant son who was never seen again. That was to keep the guy in line.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 21, 2014 08:11 AM (6Nj7A)

178 "I think it was the opposite: people living under communism in Czechoslovakia. "
Hmm looks like you might be right. I was distracted by the beautiful naked women and mirrors.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 08:12 AM (zfY+H)

179 Hmm looks like you might be right. I was distracted by the beautiful naked women and mirrors. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 12:12 PM (zfY+H) When I saw it the theater was packed with women with short hair and sensible shoes.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 21, 2014 08:14 AM (6Nj7A)

180 IÂ’m now going to start calling these people Â“global warming NazisÂ”.

The pseudo-scientific ramblings by their leaders have falsely warned of mass starvation, ecological collapse, agricultural collapse, overpopulationÂ…all so that the masses would support their radical policies. Policies that would not voluntarily be supported by a majority of freedom-loving people.

They are just as guilty as the person who cries Â“fire!Â” in a crowded theater when no fire exists. Except they threaten the lives of millions of people in the process.

Like the Nazis, they advocate the supreme authority of the state (fascism), which in turn supports their scientific research to support their cause (in the 1930s, it was superiority of the white race).

Dissenting scientific views are now jack-booted through tactics like pressuring scientific journals to not publish papers with which they disagreeÂ…even getting journal editors to resign.

Like the Nazis, they are anti-capitalist. They are willing to sacrifice millions of lives of poor people at the altar of radical environmentalism, advocating expensive energy policies that increase poverty. And if there is a historically demonstrable threat to humanity, it is poverty.

Posted by: unambiguiously Semi-anonymous at February 21, 2014 08:16 AM (e8kgV)

181 Ever wonder why these revolts dont happen in countries without natural resources (energy)? Georgia, Iraq, Afghainistan, Libya, Egypt, Turkey, Ukraine, Venezuela, Congo. The global oligarch want MOAR POWER and oil is power. This isn't communism vs. democracy or Christianity vs Islam. That's how the media frames it for the weak minded. The banking elite and the MIC make the calls and the political puppets and their media convince y'all who's side to choose.

Posted by: superflex at February 21, 2014 08:26 AM (4a/4i)

182 The Nazi connections go further. Nazis were convinced they were utterly scientific, using the latest principles of science for every aspect of their plan from economy to family to education, and beyond. They were certain their efforts would save humanity and produce a better world, and that anyone who disagreed was a sub-creature, someone who ought be ignored, if not destroyed.
And they were widely supported by the bulk of academia when they started up.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 21, 2014 08:27 AM (zfY+H)

183 67 Fat guy with short hair and beard wearing a grey, long-sleeved work shirt. --- Isn't that, like, everybody in Canada? --------------- That's what I was thinking, too! But since I live in the U.P. it also applies to men in bars up here, too. Good thing I find Larry the Cable Guy attractive.

Posted by: Chilling the most at February 21, 2014 08:31 AM (iWhfu)

184 The Russians and Ukrainians don't want their money going to Brussels. They remember the German Blitzkrieg, and realize that it is now Banks not Tanks.

Posted by: superflex at February 21, 2014 08:36 AM (4a/4i)

185 Chelsea Clinton's 33 but she is not aging well. She's been married for 4 years but with the guy since college. I sense that they are having problems conceiving.

Bill gave her the talk about the birds and the bees...

Posted by: Monica Lewinski at February 21, 2014 08:57 AM (+Wvn3)

186 From the WSJ:

Ukraine's Parliament voted for a law that would allow the release of jailed former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, an opposition figurehead and major political rival of President Viktor Yanukovych.

The vote came hours after opposition leaders signed a compromise deal with Mr. Yanukovych aimed at ending three months of antigovernment protests by reducing his powers, calling early elections and forming a coalition government.

Ms. Tymoshenko, who narrowly lost a 2010 presidential runoff against Mr. Yanukovych, was jailed in 2011 for abuse of office in a trial widely criticized as rigged.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2014 09:03 AM (2RiXU)

187 This isn't communism vs. democracy or Christianity vs Islam. That's how the media frames it for the weak minded.

Posted by: superflex at February 21, 2014 12:26 PM (4a/4i)

And I suppose you're above all of that weak minded, sheeplish bullshit, you special little snowflake you.

Posted by: troyriser at February 21, 2014 09:08 AM (2jF2B)

188 The Russians and Ukrainians don't want their money going to Brussels.

They remember the German Blitzkrieg, and realize that it is now Banks not Tanks.

Posted by: superflex at February 21, 2014 12:36 PM (4a/4i)

History started with WW2? I didn't know that...

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 21, 2014 09:12 AM (2RiXU)

189 Any deal that requires the opposition to turn in their weapons should be met with a giant прийди і візьми її (assuming Google Translate is correct, otherwise μολὼν λαβέ in the original Greek).

Posted by: Ken in NH at February 21, 2014 11:06 AM (OQY/W)

190 Our own government might want to pay attention to Kiev. IÂ’ve been to Europe and have known many types of Slavic peoples. Generally the European attitude is take whatever the government will give them. In the modern era they arenÂ’t fighters. It was amazing the Poles actually accomplished the freedom movement when they did in the 1980s. But this is an example of when they have had enough. Corruption has been rampant since the wall fell decades ago over there. There has been no hope for the future, rigged elections and off and on lawlessness. The politicians there now worry for their lives. Because the masses are coming for them. What makes anyone think this sort of unrest wonÂ’t happen here? Because when the economy finally collapses as the basic laws of economics and third grade math state it must that is when we will begin our spiral for Kiev to watch on television. What do you think we are going to act like when the plug is pulled and carpet yanked? Look what one hurricane did in Katrina. And who do you think is going to be blamed? IÂ’ve predicted what a fall and collapse will resemble in my fiction. An Apocalypse if you will. You want to know where I got my research? 1917 Russia. Ancient Rome. Cuba. And places like Kiev. People act pretty much the same under the same circumstances. Might want to think about it Barry. You too GOP. There is a little thing called the Second Amendment. IÂ’m online all the time as IÂ’m a writer now by trade. And people are starting to use a phrase that hasnÂ’t been uttered for about 150 years. Would you like to know what those words are? Civil War. Just something to think about Washington. And you better start thinking or my fiction may indeed become a reality. Just ask the Ukraine. Charles Hurst. Author of THE SECOND FALL. An offbeat story of Armageddon. And creator of THE RUNNINGWOLF EZINE blog.

Posted by: charleshurstauthor at February 21, 2014 07:06 PM (49Pu2)

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