March 19, 2014
— Ace Actually, they even went further than the headline suggests.
Previously, they had completely banned guns in public housing. But this was challenged by lawsuit in 2010, and the housing commission rewrote its complete ban, making it instead a ban on carrying a gun in hallways, laundry rooms, and other common areas.
But the Delaware Supreme Court has now struck that as unconstitutional, given the new (old) understanding of the Second Amendment post-McDonald. So you can now carry your weapon to the laundry room. Which, frankly, seems like a good idea, because attacks outside your actual apartment are likely to occur in such isolated areas.
And they did so unanimously.
Actually, they merely mentioned the McDonald decision, while chiefly justifying the decision on... Delaware's own constitution, which guarantees the right to keep and bear arms.
Check out Cooke's post for more and links.
Cooke has another important gun story: A review has found the Navy Yard shooting was indeed preventable. But not by gun control.
The report notes that the shooter had been observed acting erratically, but that no one reported this to anyone in a position of authority. Had people been more alert to Lunatic Control, the shooter's permissions would have been revoked, and he couldn't have gotten into the Naval Yards.
This suggests something to me -- I keep seeing the gun-liberals (gun liberalizers, I mean; I use the term for its shock value) saying things that turn out to be right, and the gun-reactionaries keep saying things that turn out to be wrong.
One begins to notice.
I myself have the subconscious coding of a gun reactionary. If you've detected I'm quick to buy into various tropes promoted by the gun reactionaries, you're right. I don't come from a gun-liberal culture, but more from a gun-reactionary one (or, gun-neutral, leaning gun-reactionary). So my instincts do indeed lead, at first, to the gun-reactionary side.
It's actually reason that pushes me over to the gun-liberal side, while fear and primitive programming and tribal mores make me a bit of a gun-reactionary.
When I first read about the Delaware case, my gun-reactionary instinct flared up, and I worried that the liberalization of gun rules within public housing would lead to more crime. You know, the "Wild West" scenario that the gun-reactionaries are always nattering about, but which never seems to actually manifest.
But my gun-reactionary instinct has subsided a bit now, and my learned gun-liberal response is now urging a wait-and-see attitude. After all, anyone who wants a gun for criminal purposes -- anyone whose economic survival relies upon carrying an illegal gun -- already has one. It's just the non-criminals who are disarmed in this circumstances.
And they are forced by circumstance to live in close proximity to those illegally armed.
As I said, while my gut is gun-reactionary, my head has been persuaded by evidence that the gun-liberals are usually right. So I'll just watch on this one, and see if that pattern continues to hold.
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Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:17 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:18 AM (7ObY1)
The larger concern with this "progress" in court decisions is that it often seems the State ignores or undermines the Court.
The classic example is California, which generally has to be sued repeatedly to obtain compliance.Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 19, 2014 10:19 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2014 10:20 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 10:20 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:21 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Gmac at March 19, 2014 10:21 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: 7 Days in May at March 19, 2014 10:21 AM (WYUAi)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 10:22 AM (0HooB)
What, didn't the justices see that episode of NYPD Blue where David Schwimmer packs heat in his apartment's laundry room, and gets himself killed?
I don't think people are leaning from TV the way they should.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 19, 2014 10:22 AM (JOu1n)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:22 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 10:23 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: The University of Colorado at March 19, 2014 10:23 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 10:23 AM (mizYg)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 19, 2014 10:23 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Chris Christie at March 19, 2014 10:23 AM (Q6pxP)
I knew those fancy spiked clubs with the shoulder thingy that goes up would just lead to heart-ache. But no, no one was going to listen to me and then bam! These kids show up with their fancy assault spears with the flaked stone edges and it just escalated from there.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 19, 2014 10:23 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 10:24 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 10:24 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 10:24 AM (GSIDW)
MESSAGE FROM FUTURE!ACE, ON BLUETOOTH IN HIS FLYING CAR:
"Yeah, it does."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:24 AM (4df7R)
You can't remove accident and human nature from reality by wishful thinking, but you can protect yourself from it through common sense and arming yourself.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:24 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 19, 2014 10:24 AM (hFETg)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at March 19, 2014 10:25 AM (DYtdE)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:25 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2014 10:25 AM (Z7PrM)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 10:25 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 02:17 PM (IXrOn)
One of the stupidest stories I've read all day.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 10:25 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: Inigo Montoya, walking around ARMED at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (84gbM)
Progressives donÂ’t want to ban guns to disarm resistance to any upcoming police state; that idea has never even occurred to them. Instead, progressives want to ban guns because progressives are afraid of black people.
Ding ding ding! Yep!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Mallfly at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 19, 2014 10:26 AM (hFETg)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 19, 2014 10:27 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: wg at March 19, 2014 10:27 AM (EByr4)
Your thesis was probably correct until April 15, 2009... Once the Tea Party formed, they then had to start seriously considering the non-racist angle
Posted by: phreshone at March 19, 2014 10:27 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 19, 2014 10:27 AM (rSIYI)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 10:27 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 02:24 PM (xSegX)
"Shall not be infringed" is pretty cut and dry.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:27 AM (4df7R)
He was always opposed to firearms since at least the 80s when I met him.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (bitz6)
Damn right she should be able to carry.
I expect Moms Demand Attention will get a lot of TV time for mourning the first dead would-be Delaware Public Housing Rapist.
Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Inigo Montoya, walking around ARMED at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (84gbM)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 19, 2014 10:28 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 10:29 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 10:29 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 10:29 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 10:29 AM (xSegX)
Posted by: Joey Biden at March 19, 2014 10:29 AM (GSIDW)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 10:29 AM (mizYg)
Still not going to matter, young people feel no need for insurance (for good reason), are covered by their parents' plans, and don't have the money it takes to get coverage under the ACA. The law is just idiotically self-defeating, as if it was written by a bunch of bushy tailed staffers just out of college.
But they did the same thing with the "Stimulus" package, so why not presume it would work again?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:30 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 02:27 PM (IXrOn)
I mean, the guy was in bed. It was 10am, sure, but who knows why he was still abed. Maybe he works nights. Maybe he's unemployed. Maybe it's his day off. Who knows? So he comes outside and yells at the guys who are making a racket in his front yard as they cut the trees. I imagine he was in his pajamas, and going shirtless because it's fucking Maine and we New Englanders are hard core, dammit.
Just how close were they to his house that they could even make out that the tattoo was of a gun anyway?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:30 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 10:31 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:31 AM (7ObY1)
Ace,
Re your reactionary stance. Indeed. There is not one rational argument in support of any kind of gun control.
Not one. Every one of them fails. Oh, are you saying that regular citizens should have access to fully automatic weapons. The answer is yes.
It is never the weapon, it is the people.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 10:31 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Sebelius at March 19, 2014 10:31 AM (RJMhd)
I'm not terribly familiar with public housing. Do they have metal detectors on all entrances that are open?
What about windows on lower levels? Do those open? If so that's a huge hole in security and it would be easy to toss a gun up to someone already on the inside, or even put in a lowered bucket.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 10:31 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 19, 2014 10:32 AM (rSIYI)
this is the Government... who is prohibited by the Constitution from infringing on the Right to keep and Bear arms."
Correct, I don't care if someone in their own home or property (or private business) says 'no guns.' Its probably dumb, but not illegal or immoral - rather its the opposite to force the issue one way or another on them.
But on public lands, in a housing project run by the state? Sorry, no can do.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:32 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Romeo13 at March 19, 2014 10:32 AM (84gbM)
>>>>Really? so basic human Rights, as enshrined in the Constitution, STOP because of where you live?
You're damned right!
Posted by: Ben Carson at March 19, 2014 10:33 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 19, 2014 10:33 AM (/vO0r)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 10:33 AM (SY2Kh)
You haven't read Heller or McDonald have you...
One cannot selective apply the law because it's a PHA.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 10:33 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 19, 2014 10:33 AM (YcOel)
As long as they use Economic means of enforcement?
Interesting....
Newsletter?
Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at March 19, 2014 10:33 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:34 AM (gmeXX)
Of course, the local Libs and the local MFM call them a bunch of racists."
Shrug. Maybe they are racist, there's nothing illegal about being a jerk. And being a jerk doesn't mean you're wrong.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:34 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 10:34 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 10:35 AM (IXrOn)
So, I kinda understand where Ace is coming from. Millions of people walking around with guns seems (feels) inherently unsafe to me.
That feeling has nothing to do with my support for the right to bear arms.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2014 10:35 AM (Z7PrM)
Well, using the phrase "stroking our gun dicks" (an ace original google seems to indicate) was a dead give away.
Compare and contrast:
Ace 2011:
http://minx.cc/?post=317627
http://minx.cc/?post=319071
Ace 2013:
http://minx.cc/?post=339131
Thanks for using your head.
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 10:35 AM (Kkt/i)
OMG, is she gargling marbles?
She's so hot...
[licks lips'
I would love to talk Mao with her
Posted by: Anita Dunn at March 19, 2014 10:36 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:36 AM (zfY+H)
So's their "No Guns for Jews". If it is permitted to plug their efforts, they're jpfo.org, and they'll take your money no matter if you're Jewish or not.
Posted by: Euthyphro T Jones, with a serious jones for the truth at March 19, 2014 10:37 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 10:37 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2014 10:37 AM (UzPAd)
Sex education (age 80)=Good.
Got it. Therein lies the fundamental flaw of the liberal mindset.
Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 10:37 AM (GGCsk)
...........
I don't think Ace is afraid of guns.. he has some reservations about everyone carrying them around all the time. At least, that's how I read it.. but maybe I am projecting.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2014 10:37 AM (Z7PrM)
Posted by: IrishEd at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (D0NZx)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (/vO0r)
Citizen X -
Agree on the horrors of Eastside Bflo. Westside Rochester used to be similar. Even a series of Mennonite mini-farms along Thurston until the 70s.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (jsWA8)
Go a few times, with someone who knows what they're doing. Don't get a huge .357 or .44 magnum. Something like a full-sized 9mm is preferable. You should start with only a single round in the chamber. Make sure the person teaching knows about the four rules of gun safety and is strict about indexing and keeping the weapon pointed downrange. A good indoor place is preferable.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (gmeXX)
[licks lips'
I would love to talk Mao with her
Posted by: Anita Dunn at March 19, 2014 02:36 PM (Q6pxP)
Yeppers, Yahoo! has had a headline on their financial page regarding Yellen trying to put lipstick on the piggish US economy. Too funny.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 19, 2014 10:38 AM (rSIYI)
The 2nd Amendment is not (and has never been) about public safety or violent crime except insofar as defense against tyranny can be construed to be a public safety issue. It isn't about hunting or sports shooting, either.
It is not a 2nd Amendment issue if maniacs shoot up stadiums and schools and criminals rob at gunpoint whole platoons of kindly grandmothers. Maniacs and criminals can always find guns (or bombs or knives or hijacked aircraft) and will always--always--ignore the law because, well, they're maniacs and criminals. Thus, 'commonsense' gun control measures are--by direct inference--aimed at law-abiding, non-maniacal and non-criminal citizens.
Imagine what the federal government would or could do if none of us were armed and tell me I'm wrong. President Obama could declare himself President-for-life, appoint his dog Bo to the cabinet, and name Reggie Love as his royal consort and there would be precious little we could do about it.
Guns are not symbols of power. Guns are power and the Left cannot abide our possession of that power.
Posted by: Zombie Anton LeVey at March 19, 2014 10:39 AM (O66NZ)
Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 10:40 AM (A98Xu)
You can always give up the check.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 02:29 PM (xSegX)
You are completely backwards in your thinking, AD. This is public housing, not private. If you're a private citizen allowing people to live in your home, you have the right to tell them you don't want guns in the house. It's your private property. Doesn't mean they can't OWN a gun; they just can't keep it in the house. I'm pretty sure a private citizen could run into trouble if they said to a potential renter who is within their legal rights to possess a firearm, "If you want to live here, you can't own a gun." That's like saying, "If you want to live here, you can't own a car," or, "If you want to live here, you can't own a halogen lamp." It's one thing to have a say over your own private property, and something else entirely to have a say over someone ELSE'S private property.
But you're essentially saying here that those living in government housing are allowed to have their rights infringed in exactly this way, by our insane gubmint overlords, because... why exactly?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 19, 2014 10:40 AM (LDwc9)
Actually, I kind am with AmishDude on this one AND Romeo13.
We have to pay for these people's houses and food and kids and everything else, why in the fuck do they enjoy the same rights and privileges that we do.
Perhaps they should learn what being a slave is. I.e., those on chronic welfare who are able but refuse to work should be in a much different category.
I'm not talking any type of governmental assistance. But the able-bodied that just REFUSE to work and have been living off of the government tit forever, more than 5 years. If I have to feed you, then they should play be the rules I set.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Seems legit at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Shit Mao Tse Tung Said, Little Red Book pg. 62 at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (8ZskC)
But then, Song of Solomon has long been one of my favorite books.
Posted by: Euthyphro T Jones, with a serious jones for the truth at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (O66NZ)
I'm reasonably confident that they're doing the same thing with abortion. As the country moves further away from abortion on demand, the left is getting more radical and crazy about the topic.
Deep down, even the most rabid abortion supporter knows this is about killing a fellow human being, and there's something awful about that no matter how you believe about the topic. Celebrating it, sending out cards, having rallies about having more and more abortions... that sickens and disgusts people, I should think.
Then again, I thought nobody sane would vote for President Obama for a second term either. Wait, maybe I was right about that.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 10:41 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Zombie Anton LeVey at March 19, 2014 02:39 PM (O66NZ)
When individuals have power, they might not use it correctly; whereas when government has power it is always used correctly for the good of all.
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 10:42 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 10:43 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 19, 2014 10:43 AM (/vO0r)
Word.
Posted by: Plato at March 19, 2014 10:43 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Zombie Anton LeVey at March 19, 2014 02:39 PM (O66NZ)
The left's response to that is : "today the government has tanks, planes and atomic bombs so your puny weapons are worthless and you may as well give them up."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 19, 2014 10:43 AM (51wwJ)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 02:41 PM (tVTLU)
Drug testing anyone?
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 10:43 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:43 AM (zfY+H)
It's actually reason that pushes me over to the gun-liberal side, while fear and primitive programming and tribal mores make me a bit of a gun-reactionary.
****
It's all cultural. I grew up with a glass case full of hunting guns down the hall for my entire childhood. My youth pastor took us shooting and half the state owns guns (many of them hunt). It's really hard to understand or sympathize with the people who are afraid of an unarmed gun sitting on a shelf.
Posted by: Lea at March 19, 2014 10:44 AM (lIU4e)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 02:41 PM (3ZtZW)
Yes, while the one hand was dreaming up low income housing for families, the other hand was figuring out how to get rid of Dad, the breadwinner, and substitute the Democrat Party as the bread source.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 10:44 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 10:44 AM (xWW96)
just sayin'
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2014 10:44 AM (Z7PrM)
A brief political story:
In 1960s, roughly 70% of Americans favored banning handguns.
If the GOPe of today were running things we would hear endless cries, handwringings, "this issue is such a loser", we need to move left on this, we must do it for the children.
Today, way more than 70% of Americans ARE AGAINST banning handguns.
Principle fucking matters. Stand and fight. And maybe, just maybe, you'll win...
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 10:44 AM (tVTLU)
I love guns, but I love owner-rules more. If it's my property, I make the rules.
If I don't want to bake you a fucking cake in my bakery, then I don't have to.
If a bar's owner doesn't want anyone to carry guns in his bar, then get rid of your gun before going in.
If the government provides you a place to live, but says "no guns and no drugs", then get rid of your guns & drugs or don't live there.
Why is this hard? Property means something... or it should.
Posted by: Randall Hoven at March 19, 2014 10:44 AM (eXKe2)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 19, 2014 10:45 AM (/vO0r)
Because, get this -- unless they're illegals, they get the same rights we do as enshrined in the Constitution.
I know, right? Shocking. It should be tried in front of the Hague.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:45 AM (4df7R)
Honestly at this point I'm not sure it would be any different. Having a tool and not being willing to use it is no different than not having it at all.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:45 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 19, 2014 10:45 AM (/vO0r)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 10:45 AM (SY2Kh)
I'm talking about teaching a person to shoot. You can up the caliber later.
I'm making some of these comments with a specific incident in mind. There is a range here in Bellevue where a young man was teaching a young woman to shoot. He got her a huge weapon (.357 or .44) and fully loaded it. She couldn't handle the recoil properly and had a panic reaction. The first shot brought the weapon to point to the ceiling, she panicked and kept squeezing off shots. The second shot brought the weapon to point over her shoulder, and the third killed the young man standing behind her by shooting him in the head.
Wade's Eastside shooting range.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (bitz6)
"24 Actually, I don't like the precedent that you have "rights" in public housing. Live in my house, play by my rules."
Posted by: Randall Hoven at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (eXKe2)
Posted by: Kosher Sizer at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (ODaO0)
Damn right she should be able to carry.
--
Totally agree. When I was 19, I lived in an apt. building and one afternoon I went to the laundry room, which had one entrance. After starting my laundry, I left and there was a tall man about 3 yards away from the entrance holding a gun. Nothing happened and in fact I was not immediately alarmed, but later I realized I was a sitting duck inside the laundry room.
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (eHc+1)
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (xSegX)
Heh, might as well include all the shitstains on FOX. FOX should be boycotted. Period.
Posted by: Common Core Republican at March 19, 2014 10:46 AM (Cs2tJ)
Same here--my Dad had a loaded gun high on a shelf in the master bedroom closet. My sisters and I knew to never ever touch it. I have that rifle in my gun safe right now--my Dad taught us to shoot with it.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 10:47 AM (kXoT0)
This dovetails perfectly with my often put forth "Affordable Handgun Act".
Where women of color, often single mothers, frequently living in lower quality housing are afforded the opportunity to take handgun courses, own a firearm, store it safely, and possess ammunition for it.
All with Government subsidies.
A government which enters into a business agreement with the NRA to provide the training necessary to safely own a firearm.
Then when the mother goes down to the laundry room, and some punk tries to rape her...
she can bust a cap on his ass.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 19, 2014 10:47 AM (si68n)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:47 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Big Ben at March 19, 2014 10:47 AM (I5Htn)
Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 10:47 AM (y7PFk)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 10:48 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 10:48 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:48 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 02:47 PM (y7PFk)
A good question!
/Gangbanging dope peddler
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 10:49 AM (xWW96)
You made me laugh!Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 10:49 AM (gjOCp)
If I don't want to bake you a fucking cake in my bakery, then I don't have to.
You will bake my bread.
Posted by: The little red gay hen at March 19, 2014 10:49 AM (51wwJ)
My guns have killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car. Specifically: none.
Posted by: El Inmortal from the Borges story at March 19, 2014 10:49 AM (1/4XQ)
Was he a one-armed man?
Posted by: Dr. Richard Kimble at March 19, 2014 10:49 AM (8ZskC)
You have some tough choices to make--Obamacare coverage or self-defense?
Posted by: Hrothgar at March 19, 2014 10:49 AM (o3MSL)
Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 10:50 AM (y7PFk)
Posted by: panzernashorn at March 19, 2014 10:50 AM (/vO0r)
>>>Honestly at this point I'm not sure it would be any different. Having a tool and not being willing to use it is no different than not having it at all.
I don't know "willing" maybe "conditioned not to use it" fits better
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 10:50 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:50 AM (gmeXX)
Precisely. The reason these sort of legal and moral quandaries come up at all is because the federal government is violating the constitution in the first place by funding this kind of thing.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:50 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 10:51 AM (x3YFz)
Public housing is authorized under the Good N Plenty Clause.
Posted by: Rep. John Conyers (D) Kookoobananastan at March 19, 2014 10:51 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 10:51 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 10:51 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (mizYg)
And that's fine. But you're not talking about the money you're spending. You're talking about someone's right to own a particular tool. There's a difference.
I believe there should be drug testing for welfare recipients. I believe EBT cards shouldn't be allowed to be used in places like strip clubs and casinos. I believe that WIC is fucking ridiculous, personally, and is just one more teat at which stupid bitches can suck to get more money from Uncle Sugar while completely ignoring their children. I believe that, if you've had X-number of criminal convictions, you shouldn't be eligible for public housing. I don't feel that I should be forced to shelter you when you've proven you're an anti-social menace.
But if you are a law-abiding citizen who is mentally fit and who is otherwise completely eligible to own a firearm, I'm supposed to tell you that you can't do that because I'm paying for your home and your home is surrounded by all the mouthbreathing ne'er-do-wells we DON'T weed out, as referenced above?
In what universe is that sane? Or moral? Or RIGHT?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (ZPrif)
>>>If you're in public housing, how do you have enough disposable income for a gun and ammo?
Chew up some poptarts for the buyback program, then go to the gun store
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 10:52 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 10:53 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 10:53 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: Matt at March 19, 2014 10:53 AM (42wHP)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 10:53 AM (0HooB)
@ 135 - "If the GOPe of today were running things we would hear endless cries, handwringings, "this issue is such a loser", we need to move left on this, we must do it for the children."
I have to ask, and I'm sure Chi-Town Jerry will back me up 100%, but what are you, some kind of True Con wackobird? People like you are going to cost us big come election day!
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (YYJjz)
Hmmm...maybe the weirdness in Malaysia is related to this little trip? Not wanting to start discord until after they are safely out of the way?
I really think, with all of the "missing 777" stuff I would have passed on this trip and said I had the flu or something. Odd.
So, once again, Mooch, the girls, and their voodoo granny are taking spring break on our dime! It is a great preznit who, in the middle of economic crisis---some of it due to his own signature legislation----invasion of Ukraine, and a missing 777 supposedly defying everyone, to send entire family to China.
This should bring on a new thread in 3...2...1
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: El Inmortal from the Borges story at March 19, 2014 02:49 PM (1/4XQ)
I can't really say the same. Its entirely possible my guns have killed a lot of people. Some may have been in fact been killed while holding my guns. I collect a lot of milsurps though and there is one M44 Mosin and a Type 99 with mum that look well used in particular....
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (t06LC)
Also see: school lunch diktats/confiscation of parental-unit prepared food.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 19, 2014 02:53 PM (0HooB)
Which is WRONG, and we all know it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 19, 2014 10:54 AM (9Bdcz)
In 1988, the UK 'confined semi-automatic and pump-action centre-fire rifles, military weapons firing explosive ammunition, short shotguns that had magazines, and both elevated pump-action and self-loading rifles to the Prohibited category'
- Over the next 9 years, the violent crime rate doubled
In 1997, the UK 'banning private possession of handguns almost completely.'
- Over the next 9 years, the violent crime rate doubled again
In 1996, Australia banned guns
- Over the next 5 years, the violent crime rate rose 42.2%
Posted by: Charleton Heston at March 19, 2014 10:55 AM (Q6pxP)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 19, 2014 10:56 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 10:56 AM (mizYg)
Posted by: Kosher Sizer at March 19, 2014 10:56 AM (ODaO0)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 10:57 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 10:57 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 02:56 PM (mizYg)
Is that part of the Molasses Marsh subparagraph?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 10:57 AM (4df7R)
If the government provides you a place to live, but says "no guns and no drugs", then get rid of your guns drugs or don't live there.
Why is this hard? Property means something... or it should.
Posted by: Randall Hoven at March 19, 2014 02:44 PM (eXKe2)
Except that the Bill of Rights doesn't protect you against violations of your Constitutional Rights by private individuals. It DOES protect you against violations of your Constitutional Rights by Congress (and by extension, by government at large).
The property rights argument is perfectly valid for the private landlord, but the Constitutional issue changes things when government is the landlord.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2014 10:57 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: NotCoach at March 19, 2014 10:58 AM (rsudF)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 10:58 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 02:57 PM (x3YFz)
In my case, it's "tap-rack-bang".
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 10:58 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Just the facts, Ma'am at March 19, 2014 10:58 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 10:58 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 10:58 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 02:58 PM (HVff2)
So you're not happy to see me?
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 10:59 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 10:59 AM (x3YFz)
>>>Why is this hard? Property means something... or it should.
Why should the government have stronger property rights than I have?
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 10:59 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: NotCoach at March 19, 2014 02:58 PM (rsudF)
Congratulations! Welcome to the thought-party, pal!
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 11:00 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 11:00 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: The EPA at March 19, 2014 11:00 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 02:58 PM (bitz6)
You can keep it at the base armoury, though that would be a bad idea.
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 11:00 AM (HVff2)
............
As liberal as you may think I am, I think 2nd Amendment rights is one damn good hill to die on. It is a slippery slope if you even begin to let them restrict who can and cannot possess/own weapons.
Notice I said "possess". I have no problem with any establishment restricting you from having weapons on your person while on their premises.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 19, 2014 11:00 AM (Z7PrM)
NCKate, I'll use the recent example of the old woman living in Detroit, who fired her gun twice to run off 3 hoodlums. The gun she had has a piece of junk (I forget the make) that was worth maybe $200 tops. Several commenters mentioned that she was lucky the thing even fired.
Her uncle or cousin had given it to her. Which leads to another point, the efforts to ban 'Saturday Nite Specials' i.e. cheap guns. Who does those laws hurt? The poor.
Which rolls back around to zombie's point above.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2014 11:01 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: NotCoach at March 19, 2014 11:01 AM (rsudF)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:01 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:01 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 02:56 PM (mizYg)
Formerly known as the Chinese Cherry clause.
Posted by: Injun Orange at March 19, 2014 11:01 AM (51wwJ)
Posted by: Apropos of nothing at all, really at March 19, 2014 11:01 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:02 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 11:02 AM (HVff2)
@ 218 - "As liberal as you may think I am, I think 2nd Amendment rights is one damn good hill to die on. It is a slippery slope if you even begin to let them restrict who can and cannot possess/own weapons."
Wacko Bird!
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 19, 2014 11:02 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 11:02 AM (GjYxB)
The Ruger? Nice. I believe BC was looking for one too.
I got to handle the new G42 at a local shop yesterday. Damn thing is skinnier than a New York fashion model. Too small for my hands, but perfect for my wife. If only she would see the CCW light!
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:02 AM (GQ8sn)
Where women of color, often single mothers, frequently living in lower quality housing are afforded the opportunity to take handgun courses, own a firearm, store it safely, and possess ammunition for it.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 19, 2014 02:47 PM
The Armed Citizen Project, with private donations, arms law abiding citizens in areas with high crime rates.
http://armedcitizenproject.org/about
Posted by: huerfano at March 19, 2014 11:03 AM (bAGA/)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 19, 2014 11:03 AM (VtjlW)
https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 11:03 AM (Kkt/i)
---
I disagree with that. I have no desire to empower a government any more than they already are. You think this is reasonable, I just see another layer of corrupt bearocracy and funds used to help out a politically favorable person. In theory, the idea sounds good. But since the government would be implementing it, it would be awful.
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 02:57 PM (gmeXX)
They have started doing this in Mississippi. Why should the taxpayer pay for you to have food if you spend it on however much a bag of weed costs now? Like the lobster roll dude in California, living high...literally...and using our money for sushi. I call barnyard manure. Let them be tested. Let them eat and fret over this. Heck, maybe that will help with both obesity from the munchies as well as, uh, ambition, and sobriety in not shooting and gang banging while so stoned. Your argument is stupid as it is already a government entitlement, so why not regulate it?
Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 19, 2014 11:03 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (da5Wo)
Shot placement is king unless you have a crew-served weapon.
Remember the 911 call where the man is relaying information from his wife on the other line to the 911 operator? She hit the guy 5 of 6 times with a .38 (several of those in the head), and the man told her to stop shooting him, and drove away.
One shot to the brain-pan of a full-sized man will bring him down instantly. Three shots to the heart and he might live another 25 seconds. Shots to the lungs or gut and he'll probably live just fine, and might not go away depending on how pissed he is.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (P7Wsr)
More like "kiss it goodbye" at the base armory.
Soldiers by necessity surrender a lot of rights that private citizens enjoy, so using them isn't a proper example.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (zfY+H)
Russia Wants to Protect Language Rights of Russians in Estonia: The three Baltic states that border Russia are... http://bit.ly/Oxvdt3
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 03:04 PM (ZPrif)
And he will continue until he has the whole gang back together.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (4df7R)
Mystery!
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:01 PM (x3YFz)
Uh huh.
"Why does my Turnbull blued 1911 have 'Lanz Korporal givez zer0 fucks!' etched onto the slide?"
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 02:58 PM (HVff2)
It was my husband's, but, I own a belt buckle derringer that shoots 1 .38 bullet and 1 410 shotgun shell. Unless you know what it is, it looks like a buckle with a gun sculpted on the front.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 11:04 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 11:05 AM (ZPrif)
Turns out the “gun” the tree crew had seen on Michael Smith of Norridgewock was just a life-sized tattoo of a handgun on his stomach.
Smith, who works nights, was asleep when the tree crew contracted by a utility to trim branches near power lines, woke him up at about 10 a.m. Tuesday.
He went outside shirtless and yelled at the workers to leave. When heÂ’s not wearing a shirt, the tattoo looks like a gun tucked into his waistband.
... why is it that any sighting of a gun brings out the barrel-fest of gun crazy LEOs ?
Posted by: Fox Mulder at March 19, 2014 11:05 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 11:05 AM (HVff2)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 11:05 AM (GjYxB)
Posted by: --- at March 19, 2014 11:05 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 19, 2014 11:05 AM (P1Tw6)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 19, 2014 03:04 PM (da5Wo)
Challenge accepted!
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:06 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 11:06 AM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 11:06 AM (mizYg)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 11:06 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (gmeXX)
Turns out the “gun” the tree crew had seen on Michael Smith of Norridgewock was just a life-sized tattoo of a handgun on his stomach.
Smith, who works nights, was asleep when the tree crew contracted by a utility to trim branches near power lines, woke him up at about 10 a.m. Tuesday.
He went outside shirtless and yelled at the workers to leave. When heÂ’s not wearing a shirt, the tattoo looks like a gun tucked into his waistband.
... why is it that any sighting of a gun brings out the barrel-fest of gun crazy LEOs ?
That guy should have grabbed his gut and shouted, "Reach for the sky bitches!"
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (GQ8sn)
Baldilocks was the one that taught me about this. It was all about disarming those "uppity negros" who wouldn't knuckle under to the Klan. Its one thing to get drunk and dress in a sheet to terrorize the sharecroppers when they are unarmed, but when they shoot back it takes all the fun out of it for bubba.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (zfY+H)
>>>To be honest with you Boss Moss all I hope to do is to shoot some targets with it. I hope and pray I never have to use it for what I purchased it for.
I've got an LCP. Completely useless sights but a nice reliable gun. I don't tend to do any distance at targets and I aim for the pelvis area for muscle memory. I'm most likely to have trouble at extreme close ranges, job-wise
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 03:06 PM (mizYg)
Oh, zombie. I think you've just killed 45% of the Horde with that caveat. Their heads have exploded from repressing all the potential boob jokes!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 11:07 AM (y7PFk)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 19, 2014 11:08 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 11:08 AM (bitz6)
Don't ever think leftards aren't so proud of their stupidity. They are.
http://tinyurl.com/lkhj2kp
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:08 AM (xWW96)
If the government provides you a place to live, but says "no guns and no drugs", then get rid of your guns drugs or don't live there.
This is from way upthread, but the sentiment has come up a few times.
Aren't we all pro-gun? Aren't guns a Good Thing, for lots of good reasons? So why are they not still a good thing for people who are getting housing assistance?
There was a stat on the ONT the other week that there are now 1.07 Americans receiving some sort of federal assistance for every 1.0 with a full-time year-round job. Are rights unalienable for all humans, or only the ones writing the checks?
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 19, 2014 11:09 AM (JtwS4)
http://tinyurl.com/pnn2mxt
Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 03:06 PM (Ua6T/)
.... It's a spider, isn't it? I bet it's a spider.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:09 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Kosher Sizer at March 19, 2014 11:09 AM (ODaO0)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 19, 2014 11:10 AM (da5Wo)
It's tiny & cute.
Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 11:10 AM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:10 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:11 AM (x3YFz)
Why is this hard? Property means something... or it should.
Posted by: Randall Hoven at March 19, 2014 02:44 PM (eXKe2)
If you sign this lease for public housing you agree to give up your right to vote.
If you sign this lease for public housing you give up your right to petition government for redress of greivances.
Thaink there could be a little problem when you start doing that?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 19, 2014 11:11 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 19, 2014 11:11 AM (P1Tw6)
The poor lass who needs a gun might not get evicted unjustly now, and can defend herself better from the group of predators that get guns without her assistance, but it does give the slacker boyfriends and hellion kids easier access to things they can't buy themselves and should never have easy access to because they are foolish, useless, chip on the shoulder doofuses, or in the case of the kids, not quite raised up to handle conflict or rivalry without the use of force.
Maybe evertyhing I know about that is wrong. And I certainly hope so. Because I'm sure not everyone there is excitable and ready to put a little justice on the guy who didn't buy them a McFlurrie, and there is enough of a criminal element prowling around in such a place for the law-abiding to need the protection.
Posted by: BIGOTSarahW at March 19, 2014 11:11 AM (Lbv/k)
Zombie, that's perfectly reasonable. No one, hopefully, gave you any grief over that.
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:12 AM (GQ8sn)
Eh. If you have the scratch to afford a legal gun, maybe you shouldn't be living in public housing.
If you want the government goodies, you should accept the rules the government puts on you. I don't care if people living in public housing have to have drug tests, can't have guns or cigarettes or anything else the gubmint wants to ban them from having for satefy and property protection reasons. Guns are commonly stolen and frequently fired indoors. Burglaries and gunshots into walls cost the government money in repairs to the apartments.
Mayve if people realized they were going to have to give up a lot of their civil liberties to go on welfare, they would work harder to stay off it.
Posted by: rockmom at March 19, 2014 11:12 AM (Q4elb)
Who was that actor at a Hollywood Halloween party that got shot through the window? I think this was in 2000. He had a fake gun as part of his costume and was stupidly waving it around. This Smith guy is kind of lucky they didn't shoot him before finding out the rest of the story!
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:12 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at March 19, 2014 11:12 AM (bitz6)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 11:12 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:13 AM (gmeXX)
Maddogg and X:
Yes, Dr. K is a whacko bird. He's wrong so much it's scary. And he's an atheist.
Check out the correlation of atheist so-called conservative commentators. They are wrong all the fucking time.
And none like Reagan. You know that unelectable extremist who dared to critique the party establishment and stand on principle.
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 11:13 AM (tVTLU)
And I live out in the freaking desert on 40 acres.
hmm...
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:11 PM (x3YFz)
On your WiFi? Or listed as a WiFi access point available to you? Some people list things like FBI_Surveillance_Van_23 as their WiFi AP SSID to mess with the lesser-technically-abled.
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 11:13 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Apropos of nothing at all, really at March 19, 2014 11:14 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at March 19, 2014 11:14 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:15 AM (x3YFz)
X:
Before my boating accident, I had a 10/22 scary version. Good plinker. best zombie weapon out there...
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 11:15 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 11:16 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: SarahW at March 19, 2014 11:16 AM (Lbv/k)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 11:16 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:15 PM (x3YFz)
Then obviously, logic dictates you are a wheel gun man.
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:16 AM (xWW96)
Can the owner of a rental house, ban the renter from having a firearm on his property even if the renter is a CCW permit holder or otherwise licensed?
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:16 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:17 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 11:17 AM (mizYg)
Her uncle or cousin had given it to her. Which leads to another point, the efforts to ban 'Saturday Nite Specials' i.e. cheap guns. Who does those laws hurt? The poor.
Which rolls back around to zombie's point above.
Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2014 03:01 PM (wNF3N)
I saw the survellance video of the home invasion and then the woman's TV interview afterwards. She had a Hi-Point 9mm carbine. Hi-Point pistols and carbines are inexpensive, yes, with the grittiest, most godawful triggers known to man, but they're reliable and sturdy. Gun snobs don't like them, but they go bang when you pull the trigger.
One of the best pistols I own is a commie surplus Polish Tokarev that I picked up for $200. It's amazingly accurate and I've put over a 1000 rounds through it without a single failure to fire, so no, price isn't always a good indicator of quality or reliability.
Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2014 11:17 AM (O66NZ)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:18 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 11:18 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:18 AM (gmeXX)
Same deal as with Ukraine, talk of protecting the ethnic Russian minority.
Estonia is in NATO, so much bigger deal than Ukraine.
Breitbart News þ@BreitbartNews
Russia Wants to Protect Language Rights of Russians in Estonia: The three Baltic states that border Russia are... http://bit.ly/Oxvdt3
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 03:04 PM (ZPrif)
-------------------------------------------------
So what nation has basically been the leader of NATO since it's inception?
Okay. 'Nuff said. Putin ain't afraid of fucking with Estonia.
Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 11:19 AM (sx5Tc)
It wasn't an unreasonable fear that the angry dude with (what they thought was) a gun might just take it step further.
If it were a tattoo of a dog that dude would be dead.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 19, 2014 11:20 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 11:20 AM (SY2Kh)
Use your search engine on the term 'benchrest shooting' and your location, and you might get the result you need.
Posted by: F/TR Shootist at March 19, 2014 11:21 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:18 PM (x3YFz)
What?
Fish 'n' chips, steak 'n' ale pie, and bacon butties says you're wrong.
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:21 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:21 AM (x3YFz)
"Is anybody looking dumber than Bill de Blasio right about now?" [rdbrewer]
Yeah, the fools who voted for him.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 19, 2014 11:22 AM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:22 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:21 PM (x3YFz)
They don't "fail to feed" either.
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:22 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:22 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Rep. Sheila Houston We Have a Problem Jackson Lee at March 19, 2014 11:22 AM (o6g4X)
Hollowpoint and Tangonine:
Very true. By the way, what's the best wheel gun you guys like. Overall best gun. And then what's best conceal and carry wheel gun? Thanks!
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 11:23 AM (tVTLU)
As long as I have to pee in a cup to earn wages that get harvested so junkies can have free Funyuns, I'm gonna disagree.
Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 11:23 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 11:23 AM (GjYxB)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:23 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 11:25 AM (fWAjv)
speaking of estonia, I had a buddy that backpacked thru all of europe, even these former backward satellites, at every crossing he had to bribe someone.
Yeah, that's worth going to war for. LOL. these places are total shitholes. We can condemn the action but the people might do better w/ ruskies!
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 11:25 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 03:23 PM (tVTLU)
A hammer-less revolver for sure. Something like a Ruger SP-101 with the 2.75" barrel. It's a five-shot .357. I think Peaches has one before she lost it in an aqueduct.
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:25 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: NativeNH at March 19, 2014 11:25 AM (DzZzT)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:26 AM (gmeXX)
>>>Ever eaten British food?
We've got a pub called the Old Toad which is staffed by Brit hospitality students [and there is a corresponding American pub somewhere in Britain its an exchange thing]. The food is not bad, but I haven't had everything by any means.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:27 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:27 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:27 AM (zfY+H)
Mic drop.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 03:23 PM (GjYxB)
Pub food over there is awesome. It's not like the shithole Applebees or Chilis here. A well run pub will do a good job making food for its customers.
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 11:27 AM (fWAjv)
"Just because you live in public housing doesn't mean you give up your constitutional rights. "
Nobody tole me dat!
/Resident of Colorado Supermax
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:28 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 03:23 PM (tVTLU)
C and C wheelgun? I had a great little Taurus M85 .38 Special snubby until my girlfriend commandeered it. Reliable and inexpensive.
Best revolver I own is a 50-year-old Smith and Wesson .38 Special K-38 Model 14-2 Target Masterpiece, one of the best revolvers ever made. My favorite revolver is my antique Colt .41 LC Army Special. Because Colt.
Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2014 11:28 AM (O66NZ)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:28 AM (gmeXX)
Huh? As long as your renter abides by the rental agreement, it's pretty much their property. That's why you have to give notice to enter for inspection and can't root around inside their space when they're gone.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:28 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:28 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Buzzion at March 19, 2014 11:28 AM (1/4Cf)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:30 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:31 AM (7ObY1)
but yeah, wheel guns don't jam (provided you clean them once a decade)Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:21 PM (x3YFz) They don't "fail to feed" either.
I've had a S&W 66 and a Colt Python jam. Ejector rod backed out under recoil and locked the cylinder up tight on both of them. Wheels jam more than you think.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 19, 2014 11:31 AM (rXcBX)
Carol ?
The first indication something was seriously wrong with lost 2nd wife Emily was she kept dropping things. Besides growing up unloading trucks ( she was stronger than most men- all 110 pounds of her.... ) being a keyboard & string player she had hands of steel. But?She kept dropping things. Turned out the disc at C5 had vanished. They fused her neck but she was never the same after that.
Posted by: backhoe at March 19, 2014 11:31 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 11:31 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:31 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (x3YFz)
103. Don't get a huge .357 or .44 magnum.
There is no such thing as a huge .357 considering its just an overpowered 9mm.
The thing to watch out for with a .44 is a small gun that will not prevent recoil where as a large frame .44 recoil is manageable because of mass.
Posted by: Gmac at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (4pjhs)
Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (oMKp3)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (SY2Kh)
The Dow industrials DJIA fell as much as 200 points, and pared those losses. The Dow was down 137 points at 16,199 in recent activity.
In response to the question of how long of a gap we can expect between the end of the taper (which at the current rate would be in about six months) and raising rates from their near-zero levels, Yellen said:
“So the language that we used in the statement is considerable period. So I, you know, this is the kind of term it’s hard to define. But, you know, probably means something on the order of around six months, that type of thing.”
Posted by: Gordon Gekko at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:32 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: F-22 at March 19, 2014 11:33 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2014 11:33 AM (Zy0t6)
Posted by: Cleric at March 19, 2014 11:33 AM (KDW1L)
Note: "unless you live in public housing" is not some super secret hidden text that only you can see.
Posted by: Buzzion at March 19, 2014 03:28 PM (1/4Cf)
True dat. OTOH, The Founding Fathers could never in their wildest dreams have imagined public housing--never mind public housing inhabited equally by the working poor, non-working poor supported by a public dole, and by career criminals.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 11:33 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 03:27 PM (3ZtZW)
English food made anywhere but England is actually quite good.
Honestly I don't mind English food. The one week i was in England years ago the food wasn't bad. It's a lot of boiled this and stewed that and roasted the other. At least post-WWII they had to try and make decent food with pretty strict rationing, so there weren't a lot of spices and salt and sugar to be had; I don't think they ever really recovered from that. But the really traditional English cuisine (and British recipes in general) were the kind of things that'd stick to your ribs and help keep you warm when it's bloody cold and damp and you're out on the moors or huddling in doorways in foggy London.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:34 AM (7ObY1)
China Unveils More Capable Stealth Fighter Prototype http://usni.us/dX5OU #USNINews
Their pilots will still crash into slower prop planes.
Posted by: EC at March 19, 2014 11:34 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:35 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:35 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:35 AM (zfY+H)
>>>Note: "unless you live in public housing" is not some super secret hidden text that only you can see.
The Founders never envisioned complications of the modern world like public housing! [also, if you were in the 18th C. Poor House you wouldn't have a gun because the bank would've taken it already. But thats another matter entirely]
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:35 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Cleric at March 19, 2014 03:33 PM (KDW1L)
Its' a victory because it means the people who don't view rap lyrics as a life plan can protect themselves against the people who do.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:35 AM (4df7R)
Doubters, if nothing else, at least admit they do toast right: dry toast with room temperature, spreadable butter. And fookin' marmalade, Man. Get it down your neck.
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:36 AM (1/4XQ)
State law defines certain rights/privileges you cannot abrogate in a rental agreement. I believe a correct reading of our Constitution (supreme law of the land) defines guns as one of those things.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:37 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:37 AM (x3YFz)
>>>British bacon isn't the same as the US stuff. Its more like fatty ham they broil.
I think called Peameal Bacon hereabouts
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:37 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at March 19, 2014 11:37 AM (acnx4)
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 03:36 PM (1/4XQ)
Dripping toast. Toast fried up with pork drippings. Fuck, that's good.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Cleric at March 19, 2014 03:33 PM (KDW1L)
I've never been a fan of treating a whole group of anything the same just based on the actions of some bad actors. It may work in some circumstances, but when there is a constitutional right in play, I'd default to a higher burden for restricting rights than "just because you exist."
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 11:39 AM (Kkt/i)
Like this classic?
http://youtu.be/eHtSSSLn9E8
They banned the AK and any fool can STILL get it
The innocent have been beaten, bruised and scarred
But for this citizen, there ain't no holds barred
"It is an absolute infringement on my second amendment rights"
No holds barred
"When is this attack on gun owners going to end?"
No holds barred
"Education, versus restriction"
Hypothetical situation
Gun control starts sweepin the nation
Now you got a bunch of unarmed innocent victims
Gettin F****D by the system
Sittin' at home with a butter knife, huh
Any fool could rape your wife
So what's up when the criminals can't be stopped?
The only one with guns are the COPS
But it's hard for a brother to trust police
Huh, so the shit don't cease
So I go downtown to buy a hot gun
I hated criminals, and now I'm one
Because I bought a gat to protect my house
The cops wanna bust me out?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:39 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:40 AM (gmeXX)
Seriously, it's like I told people not to own those weapons.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:40 AM (P7Wsr)
>>>At least post-WWII they had to try and make decent food with pretty strict rationing, so there weren't a lot of spices and salt and sugar to be had; I don't think they ever really recovered from that.
Check out "The Supersizers Go..." on Amazon or Hulu. Its a cooking show what travels back in time. The WW2 is as you say, but Regency seems to be the start of the awful.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:40 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 19, 2014 03:39 PM (4df7R)
Tough to mess up bread in lard.
Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 11:40 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:40 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:42 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:42 AM (zfY+H)
But it is not necessarily British.
I've heard than a man's breakfast in parts of Spain includes: a beefsteak, brandy, bread fried in goose fat, a piece of chocolate, and a cigaret.
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:42 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:44 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:45 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Sandy Fluke at March 19, 2014 11:45 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:46 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 11:46 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Kosher Sizer at March 19, 2014 02:56 PM (ODaO0)
Actually, Constitutionally they CAN'T. The fact that they DO illustrates how far we have yet to go.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 19, 2014 11:46 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 11:46 AM (sx5Tc)
Unlike the First Amendment that says "Congress shall make no law..." the Second says "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I disagree there's wiggle room for a private individual.
If the Second said "Congress shall make no law", then you're right, a private individual created ban wouldn't infringe.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:46 AM (P7Wsr)
That said, I believe, although I have no direct experience, that the best restaurant in the world outside Copenhagen is Ballymaloe House, Shanagarry.
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:47 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Sam Hill at March 19, 2014 11:47 AM (zgHLA)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 11:47 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:47 AM (naUcP)
President Barack Obama has unveiled his Final Four picks, and they're pretty — wait for it — conservative.
His overall champion: Michigan State, topping fellow No. 4 seed Louisville in the championship game.
Say bye bye to Michigan State in an early round
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 19, 2014 11:48 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 11:48 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:48 AM (7ObY1)
Guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon and guns and bacon
I'm not sure which word you misspelled, but shouldn't one of them have said "boobehs"?
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 19, 2014 11:49 AM (JtwS4)
Posted by: Buzzion at March 19, 2014 11:49 AM (1/4Cf)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 11:49 AM (ZshNr)
The boobehs are assumed.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 19, 2014 11:49 AM (VtjlW)
They don't care if you're church people or not.
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:50 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:50 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:50 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Sam Hill at March 19, 2014 03:47 PM (zgHLA)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 19, 2014 11:50 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 11:50 AM (GjYxB)
Jonah Goldberg ✔ @JonahNRO
Breaking: Missing flight data found in Sandy Berger's pants.
8:32 AM - 19 Mar 2014
BOOM.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:51 AM (4df7R)
Fish-n-chips are greasy. Doesn't the newsprint come off on the food?
Puts hair on yer nipples.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 11:51 AM (P7Wsr)
Because one American does not get to decide whether another American has the right to bear arms or not.
Shall.not.be.infringed.
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 11:51 AM (eHc+1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 11:51 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 11:52 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 11:53 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 19, 2014 11:53 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:53 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:53 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 19, 2014 11:54 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:54 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:54 AM (1/4XQ)
Fish-n-chips are greasy. Doesn't the newsprint come off on the food?
I've always wondered about that.
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 03:48 PM (7ObY1)
Because newspaper was cheap and easy to get hold of.
Last I heard they'd outlawed using old newspapers on account of the ink contaminating the food, a lthough as far as I know no one has ever actually gotten sick from eating fish and chips in newspaper.
When my mother's family would go to the seaside in England, they used to buy winkles from the sidewalk vendors. Winkles are snails. You'd fish them out of the shell with a safety pin and scarf them down.
I doubt they let you do that anymore.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 11:54 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 11:54 AM (GjYxB)
Posted by: Buzzion at March 19, 2014 11:55 AM (1/4Cf)
Posted by: Minnfidel at March 19, 2014 11:55 AM (/rlXg)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:55 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Another White Steve Who Usually Eats Well at March 19, 2014 11:55 AM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:55 AM (7ObY1)
--
Your rights do not include taking away the rights of others.
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 11:56 AM (eHc+1)
Posted by: dm at March 19, 2014 11:56 AM (eV1I0)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 11:56 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 11:56 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 19, 2014 03:48 PM (1Jaio)
No!!!!!!! Not his Merde-ist Touch!!!!!!!*
*What he touches turns to merde.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 19, 2014 11:56 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 11:57 AM (fWAjv)
S>>>o then free speech shouldn't apply to the internet then right? The second amendment should only apply to barrel loaded muskets and pistols right?
Nope. Free Speech should only apply to sarcasm and Teh Funnehs.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 11:58 AM (3ZtZW)
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Your rights do not include taking away the rights of others.
I should add: if you own the house and do not want guns present there, then don't rent it out. You do have that right.
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 11:58 AM (eHc+1)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 11:58 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 03:58 PM (3ZtZW)
And political speech made using boobehs. Don't forget about that.
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 11:59 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 11:59 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 11:59 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 03:51 PM (eHc+1)
Contract law may trump that.
I have no problem with private agreements. You don't like the lease....don't sign it.
I have a huge problem when the government says I can't exercise my 2nd Amendment rights.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 11:59 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 11:59 AM (gjOCp)
Posted by: elevenwing plover at March 19, 2014 12:00 PM (fsLdt)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 03:55 PM (naUcP)
-----------------------------------------------
I'll say this, then I'm out of this argument. If one is so ardent toward the amendment concerning property, why wouldn't they also be just as ardent about the concerning an individuals right to self-defense? There's some parsing going on here.
Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 12:00 PM (sx5Tc)
Until you tasted it. Then you understood.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 19, 2014 12:00 PM (zfY+H)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 12:01 PM (fWAjv)
Dylan Byers @DylanByers
New rule, champs: You don't get to fault Obama for being "weak" unless you clearly state what you want him to do that he's not doing.
1:48 PM - 18 Mar 2014
Got that, champs? Do you got it? Byers is layin' down the LAW.
So fucking ridiculous.
TWITCHY: http://tinyurl.com/pnl3fjz
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 12:01 PM (4df7R)
Completely ridiculous. A person wandering into your establishment has no contract with you. It's not analogous.
I'm arguing that you cannot contractually obligate a person to give up their 2nd Amendment rights.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 12:01 PM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 19, 2014 12:01 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:02 PM (gmeXX)
Fish-n-chips are greasy. Doesn't the newsprint come off on the food?
Yeah, and some of those old gaffers will tell you they know by taste which newspaper the pub used to wrap the order of fish-and-chips in.
Posted by: OregonMuse at March 19, 2014 12:02 PM (I8YZX)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 12:02 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 12:02 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at March 19, 2014 12:02 PM (GKF3X)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 03:59 PM (gjOCp)
Not so sure on the great part. If you think the Kennedy worship is pretty bad I guarantee that would be weak tea compared to what Obama would receive.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 19, 2014 12:03 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:03 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:03 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 12:03 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 12:03 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:04 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:05 PM (GjYxB)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 03:21 PM (x3YFz)
Yes they do, just not nearly as much, and usually when they do you need the services of a gunsmith (who has to start out by working on a loaded gun, so you don't want just some jackass with a few gun tools).
I have two Glocks, and my biggest problem with them is you have to pull the trigger to disassemble them. Makes me cringe every time even though I *know* I've dropped the mag and cycled the slide a couple of times then visually checked the chamber, cause Rule Number 1. Every single time I take them down to clean them I wince as I pull the trigger expecting a big BANG. So far so good. 
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 19, 2014 12:05 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Sam Hill at March 19, 2014 03:47 PM (zgHLA)
Elmer Keith, the great firearms and ballistics/bullet design expert, interviewed a number of Old West gunfighter- and lawmen-types since many were still alive when he was younger. Reading some of those accounts, as well as Keith's take on things (in addition to the standards histories and first-person accounts), I think Hollywood (and others) get confused about what 'lawless' means. They think it means blood-soaked anarchy when it fact it meant what it always means: absence of the rule of law. The strong, rich and well-connected exploited the weak and did so without fear of consequence. Sometimes that meant violence, sometimes not. Besides, most Old West gunfights weren't fights at all. They were mostly shoot-em-in-the-back, push-em-off-the-train affairs, straight-up murder.
It should also be noted that many famous gunfighters were, by and large, cowardly, murderous scumbags. That some of them have been made into legendary Hollywood heroes is itself borderline criminal.
Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2014 12:05 PM (O66NZ)
Dylan Byers @DylanByers
New rule, champs: You don't get to fault Obama for being "weak" unless you clearly state what you want him to do that he's not doing.
1:48 PM - 18 Mar 2014
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 19, 2014 04:01 PM (4df7R)
N.B. Sepuku is the universally acceptable answer. We will accept resign as an alternative.
Posted by: flounder at March 19, 2014 12:05 PM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 12:06 PM (gjOCp)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 12:06 PM (ZshNr)
Another Proud Moment in U.S. Diplomatic History
http://tinyurl.com/ncrbv6e
Between Susan Rice and Samantha Powers, you've got MAYBE enough grey matter between the ears to fill a flea's teacup.
Then you add in Horseface and SecDoof Hagel and the Mocha Messiah and you're up to enough grey matter to fill a whopping... flea's teacup and a half.
We are an unserious country.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 12:06 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:06 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 04:04 PM (SY2Kh)
Apparently I have missed many of your douchier comments -- I never appreciated the vitriol heaped upon you by many around here.
In the last few days you have managed to solve that little problem for me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 12:07 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 19, 2014 12:07 PM (GIh9X)
Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 12:08 PM (fsLdt)
In the Chicago case (over an outright ban, wasn't it), the plaintiff was a law-abiding black man. Again, NRA-supported.
The JPFO videos should be mandatory viewing, A Clockwork Orange-style, for the gun fearers.
Personally, I really loved those young Israeli women in their T-shirts and submachine guns on slings I saw waiting for the bus, and I'd like to see more of that here at home.
This is sort of it, but not exactly:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/pqfyrak
Posted by: Some Amos Singletary-type guy in flyover country at March 19, 2014 12:08 PM (1/4XQ)
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 12:08 PM (3ZtZW)
There are a boatload of exceptions about what you cannot write into a contract for rental of property. You can't waive rights of arbitration. You can't lock one out without meeting very specific conditions. You can't enter the property without notice. These are all state laws that say "you can't put this into a contract, at all, if you do you're going to get burnt in court."
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (VndSC)
Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 03:07 PM (y7PFk)
They have to re-apply. If it was a non-gun-related and non-violent felony, firearm rights are usually restored. Gun crime violent felons typically don't get guns again.
Posted by: Phinn at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (i5GO4)
I will routinely clear the action of my pistols, put them down for one second, then pick them up and clear them again, even though I am 100% sure that an invisible gremlin did not chamber a round.
These are very good habits.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 04:07 PM (7ObY1)
Very much so.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 12:10 PM (4df7R)
I'd like him to turn off SportsCenter and fucking show up to a security briefing every once in awhile. On time, and sober, and not playing Angry Birds the whole time.
Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 12:11 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:11 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: NativeNH at March 19, 2014 12:11 PM (DzZzT)
Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 12:13 PM (fsLdt)
Your rights do not include taking away the rights of others.
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 03:56 PM (eHc+1)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Posted by: Teh Gheys at March 19, 2014 12:13 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:14 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 12:14 PM (gjOCp)
MY BROTHER!
Posted by: Piers Morgan at March 19, 2014 12:14 PM (OZmbA)
That would be news to the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 12:15 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 12:15 PM (fsLdt)
When I'm cleaning mine I take the magazine and chambered rounds into another room. When I get back to the room with the weapon I visually and digitally inspect it. Then I clear it by cycling it a couple of times. Then I say aloud "The weapon is clear". Then I clean it.
When it's loaded again I say aloud, "The weapon is loaded."
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 12:15 PM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:16 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:16 PM (x3YFz)
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And I could flip this around and say your private property right does not trump my right to defend myself. (and your property!)
I'll be happy to agree to disagree. Truce?
Posted by: Mayday at March 19, 2014 12:17 PM (eHc+1)
Fair enough. I believe I still have the right to self-defense on private land. Thanks for the cordial discussion.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 12:18 PM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: fastfreefall at March 19, 2014 04:07 PM (GIh9X)
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Not to mention, grenades, C4, LAWs, M79 rounds. The military made me feel very comfortable with all of these things.
And then I get back to the US.
Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 12:20 PM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 12:20 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:20 PM (gmeXX)
And then I get back to the US.
Can you imagine what it's like for a British soldier?
No Tommy, you can't even have a pointy knife.
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 12:21 PM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:22 PM (gmeXX)
That's some bizarro toilet training.
Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 12:23 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 12:24 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:24 PM (GjYxB)
As for the dickhead bar owner posting a no-gun sign calling owners douchebags, what an idjit. Marks his place as perfect for a robbery. Me, I'd hang a sign saying "Concealed Carries and Legal Guns and Owners Welcome!! Bad Guy Enter At Own Risk."
Posted by: eureka! at March 19, 2014 12:24 PM (06U7A)
Posted by: Citizen X at March 19, 2014 12:25 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:25 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:26 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:27 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 12:27 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Prez'nit at March 19, 2014 12:27 PM (eV1I0)
Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 12:27 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:28 PM (GjYxB)
Posted by: Josef Stalin Jr., President and CEO, Planned Parenthood [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 19, 2014 12:28 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 12:29 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 12:29 PM (y7PFk)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:29 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:30 PM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 04:28 PM (GjYxB)
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Shooting someone through the intertubes leaves gaping wounds. We like avoiding that.......sometimes.
Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 12:31 PM (sx5Tc)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (SY2Kh)
I think DE's constitution offers much broader protection than the 2nd A. Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 04:30 PM (gmeXX)
Of course. It's just nice to see a state actually upholding the 2nd A instead of stifling it.
Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (kwc/t)
Posted by: RWC at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (fWAjv)
Posted by: toby928© at March 19, 2014 12:49 PM (QupBk)
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And no Tommy don't wear that American flag shirt to school on May 5.
Dariano vs. Morgan Hill Unified School District.
Posted by: RioBravo at March 19, 2014 12:50 PM (cs6+R)
Posted by: Global Warmonger at March 19, 2014 12:50 PM (aDwsi)
But I take your point.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 02:46 PM (xSegX)
We do. It's called the Constitution.
Posted by: [/i]KG at March 19, 2014 01:06 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: RomneyBot since 2007 at March 19, 2014 01:50 PM (ubkrT)
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