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April 01, 2014

Demographic Doom
— Ace

AllahPundit writes of Rand Paul's statement that, as regards immigration policy, we have to "get beyond deportation," which is kind of controversial but not completely.

I don't really care about that.

Here's what I care about, which is probably something you've been thinking about.

1. We cannot win elections on the presidential level for many more years without significantly attracting more Hispanic voters. Demographics is destiny, and the Hispanic population is growing. Meanwhile, the white population is declining (relatively).

Mitt Romney attracted 59% of the white vote, but he lost the election due to losing so many minority votes.

2. Hispanics lean strongly progressive in all areas. We keep hearing about them being more "socially conservative," supposedly, but a, that's not really true (they support, for example, abortion and gay marriage more than the baseline average of the country), and b, for someone who cares less about social issues than the increasing socialization of the nation, the fact that Hispanics are socially conservative (allegedly, but falsely) is a pretty minor comfort.

Allah rebuts the claim that Hispanics are really just conservative voters who don't know it yet with this depressing graphic:

So as you can see, by the third generation of American citizenship, Hispanics have moved from being outright socialist (it's not surprising that immigrants from socialist countries favor socialism) to being merely strongly, strongly Democratic/progressive.

Those of us who oppose socialism will just have to take our Big Victory in the finding that while first generation Hispanic immigrants support socialism by 82-12, by the third generation of American citizenship, we can reduce that lopsided margin all the way down to 58-36.

By the third generation, then, out of every 1,000,000 Hispanic voters, we'll merely be losing net 220,000 votes.

Of course, that's just the third generation. When all Hispanic voters (of all generations) are asked the question, they support a bigger government by 75-25. So out of every 1,000,000 new Hispanic voters, we'll be losing a net half million votes to the socialists.

I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist.

I guess all we can do is play for the near term and Hope a Miracle happens at some point -- that socialism will be more thoroughly discredited, that capitalism and freedom get some positive press, such that long-established political preferences can be changed.

But Hoping for a Miracle doesn't sound like political strategy. It sounds like folly. It sounds like desperation.

Posted by: Ace at 11:36 AM | Comments (485)
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1 Which is why the Democrats are so jazzed about bringing them in. Permanent majority!

Posted by: joncelli at April 01, 2014 11:38 AM (RD7QR)

2 We are now a collection of tribes, and only appeals to the tribe will bring votes. Appeals to intelligence, the greater good, etc...that's so Founding Fathers.

Let it literally burn.

Posted by: Null at April 01, 2014 11:39 AM (P7hip)

3 Anglo-Saxon traditions of democratic governance? Not so much.

Posted by: joncelli at April 01, 2014 11:39 AM (RD7QR)

4 The answer needs to be to unfreeze the existing voter coalitions by introducing new issues, that cut across existing ideological cleavages. (For example, fighting crony capitalism?) Try convincing the idiot GOP of that, though.

Posted by: Mastiff at April 01, 2014 11:39 AM (DUQdv)

5 And according to GOPe, the answer is amnesty? To surely be followed by yet another amnesty?

Yeah, logic isn't their strong point. I'm finding their honesty pretty weak, too.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 01, 2014 11:39 AM (1CroS)

6 No downside to deportation then.

Posted by: nip at April 01, 2014 11:39 AM (SxlUl)

7 Wasn't this "Romney lost because he lost the minority (specifically "hispanic") vote" idea debunked a while ago?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (HLprW)

8 Five words: Independent Republic of Greater Texas.

Posted by: talldave2 at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (/s1LA)

9 Ahmad al-Gamal, an Egyptian columnist for Egyptian daily Al-Yawm Al-Sabi, advocated in the newspaper on March 11 that Egypt sue the State of Israel for damages caused by the 10 Biblical plagues,

Â“We want compensation for the plagues that were inflicted upon [us] as a result of the curses that the JewsÂ’ ancient forefathers [cast] upon our ancient forefathers, who did not deserve to pay for the mistake that EgyptÂ’s ruler at the time, Pharaoh, committed,Â” the cranky journalist wrote, according to a translation provided by the Middle East Media Research Institute.

.... of course, any compensation would have to be offset by compensation in the form of reparations for holding the Jews as slaves.

Posted by: King Nebuchadnezzar at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (e8kgV)

10 A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy. si

Posted by: brak at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (iEoiA)

11 glad to be such an old fart who will be croaked and thus avoid the brave new world - si se puede! Yee for preznint! Common-sense, universal, mandatory sodomy for teh childrenz or die H8erz!!11!!

Cancel my rhumba lessons.

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (RPDkq)

12 Well, we can always emigrate to Mexico.

Posted by: rabidsquirrel at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (IDH+x)

13 Heh heh, he said cleavages.

Posted by: joncelli Butthead at April 01, 2014 11:40 AM (RD7QR)

14 Until the money runs out.

Posted by: eman at April 01, 2014 11:41 AM (AO9UG)

15 I mean, face it: the blue model is going to fail. All we can do is get out from under.

Posted by: talldave2 at April 01, 2014 11:41 AM (/s1LA)

16 I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist. Let. It. Burn. Burns are the best teacher.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 11:41 AM (lUXJH)

17 "It's just obvious you can't have free immigration and a welfare state,"

Posted by: Milton Friedman at April 01, 2014 11:42 AM (DErq5)

18 Don't fool yourself. The way this is going, the voters of the future in America will be voting 100 % for the status quo totalitarian regime that's currently being groomed. If its any consolation, turnout will also be 100 %. At least that's the numbers that will be reported by the state-run media.

Posted by: dirks strewn at April 01, 2014 11:42 AM (kfcYC)

19 I can make Sonora howl.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at April 01, 2014 11:42 AM (w41GQ)

20 Romney lost because millions of White people stayed home

they stayed home because no conservative was running for Prez

Posted by: Jules ( these are the days, my friends ) at April 01, 2014 11:42 AM (JyjXt)

21 "I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist." And they will hasten the destruction of this country. Most of the chaos will likely initiate in the larger, metropolitan areas of the nation, and if the damage could somehow be contained to these cess-pools, I'm fine with that. Think escape from NY, except that practically every major downtown area would be turned into a supermax prison. Unfortunately, this will never be the case, as rats always find away to escape a sinking ship.

Posted by: WVinMN at April 01, 2014 11:42 AM (4Pleu)

22 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (PYAXX)

23 Schools. That's reason number one the progressives are winning and will continue to win.

Posted by: [/i]KG at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (p7BzH)

24 Five words: Independent Republic of Greater Texas. Sorta just rolls off the tongue. Nice.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (lUXJH)

25 I guess all we can do is play for the near term and Hope a Miracle happens at some point -- that socialism will be more thoroughly discredited, that capitalism and freedom get some positive press, such that long-established political preferences can be changed. But Hoping for a Miracle doesn't sound like political strategy. It sounds like folly. It sounds like desperation. *Ahem*

Posted by: SMOD at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (GIzKO)

26 I actually do know some "conservative" Hispanics. They're ranching folk.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (gOoFi)

27 How did Ace get out of autoplay barrel duty? Ewok pass?

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (0FSuD)

28 Ees not my gobernment, so they wan gimme free sheet? Bien. Stupid gringos.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (wAQA5)

29 We can say all we like about demographics. Nobody knows the future and who knows how Hispanics, blacks or whites/Asians (they are basically the same right?) will be ten years down the road. Messaging is what is going to win over people. Right now the democrats are giving voters the message that big government sucks. Republicans who want to win elections need to get out of their compounds in their upscale neighborhoods and actually try to CONVINCE voters to vote for them. I'm not a democrat/ Democrats are worse is NOT GOING TO CUT IT.

Posted by: NWConservative at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (my8YV)

30 Well, we can always emigrate to Mexico.

Only if you have the right education/work experience/money. They have laws about that sort of thing.

Posted by: HR at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (ZKzrr)

31 10 - "...loose fiscal policy... always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy..."

Didn't we get all three in the last 5 years? Just sayin'

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (RPDkq)

32 Hey I know what a good idea is. Let's escape this socialist hell hole for a better country and then vote in socialists in that country. Brilliant!

Posted by: Adam at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (Aif/5)

33 Pandering is bullshit, don't even bother with it. Run on principle, stand on principle-win or lose.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 01, 2014 11:43 AM (DNpio)

34 I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist. Which is why I am not now nor have I ever been joking that help us SMOD you're our only hope. Look on the bright side, ace, Other People's Money will have run out before very long so we've got that going for us. You know, just when I think I've drunk deeply of the well of cynicism, it becomes apparent that I am, in fact, Polly Pollyanna. I remain stunned that when I take the position that, hey, why don't we enforce the current laws on the books, you know, the ones we were told were the compromise with which we must live, I am the one who is advocating a shocking and beyond the pale position.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 01, 2014 11:44 AM (mf5HN)

35 And this is why let it burn. If you want to preserve things you are racist. So eff it. Voters will vote.

Posted by: blaster at April 01, 2014 11:44 AM (SZZeT)

36 What "Hispanic" country is not a socialist/basket case at the moment?

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Seroquel Embiggins No Penis) at April 01, 2014 11:44 AM (GeVLX)

37 you can buy all the Swiss francs and Norwegian kroner you want ( iffn you got the dollars to buy them )

just saying...........

--which two prosperous Euro nations are not in the EU ??????? hmmmmm

Posted by: Jules ( these are the days, my friends ) at April 01, 2014 11:44 AM (JyjXt)

38 The 'Dream' in the Dream Act is to get them all into Universities to make sure they get the Liberal Indoctrination.

Posted by: garrett at April 01, 2014 11:44 AM (Jpk6L)

39 Unfortunately, this will never be the case, as rats always find away to escape a sinking ship. Sit on the edges & pick 'em off. Like shooting rats at the town dump.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 11:44 AM (lUXJH)

40 Don't worry about it Ace, I'll win before too long.

Posted by: Math at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (jccce)

41 So Max was right after all? Capitalism will collapse all on its own.

Kruschev was right. Russia is going to bury us.

So who want's pie? It's Cherry.

Posted by: The Enterprising Smith at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (Nvd6O)

42 "Mitt Romney attracted 59% of the white vote, but he lost the election due to losing so many minority votes." Bullshit. He lost because of vote fraud.

Posted by: ahem at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (lKGzI)

43 Hey guys, I'm in the deep south here. One thing ya gotta consider: Romney carried Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, etc. and didn't carry: Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.

Any analysis y'all come up with where it's the Conservatives staying home that's the problem need to explain why Texas and Louisiana came out for him but Ohio and Pennsylvania didn't.

Are y'all saying that Louisiana and Texas are moderate Romneybots but Pennsylvania and Ohio are Purist Conservative Powerhouses?

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (kwc/t)

44 "What "Hispanic" country is not a socialist/basket case at the moment?" Belize pops to mind.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (gOoFi)

45 I understand that direct marketing of socialist policies to racial and ethnic groups is already the proven route to political success. It certainly is working for the Democrat party. I notice that the KKK seems to be on the rise these days. The Republicans? I think they are done.

Posted by: Engineer at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (RueTD)

46 Another reason why you should change your name to El Chayo, Ace.

Posted by: Anti-Commie Pug at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (vFh9Q)

47 Romney lost because he drew a lot fewer votes from Republicans than Bush did. Too many decided to sit at home, particularly in close States like OH, NC, VA, and Fl.

Contrary to the RNC leadership we will NEVER get the Hispanic vote and amnesty is a short path to the death of the Republican Party for two major reasons. One it will add a huge number of permanent Democrat voters and it will drive away conservatives permanently.

And be careful about Rand Paul. Last year he was spouting that he favored the "pathway to citizenship" by the gang of 8, just not all of their things. Pathway to citizenship is pol speak for amnesty.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (T2V/1)

48 14 Until the money runs out. Pretty much this. Once the spigot goes dry the various factions of the Dems will attack each other for what's left. America will be a tribal land of bitter race hatred and entitlement. The immigrants will stop coming, and the elite will flee to secluded enclaves, clucking their tongues and wondering why America failed to be as enlightened as they. What a paradise.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 01, 2014 11:45 AM (DVPta)

49 Same old story. To win the Presidency we must be Democrats. We know that already. That isn't the question. The question is, "Is winning the Presidency important enough that you should become a Democrat?" Because there is this eternal truth about liberals: Moving in their direction does nothing to gain their love. It's all the way or nothing.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (1Y+hH)

50 Fucked we are.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (32Ze2)

51 Collapse followed by recovery, again and again. All this has happened before and will happen again.

Posted by: eman at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (AO9UG)

I think we are already out of mony, something like $17B ago.

The next problem is nobody want to L_E_N_D the USA any money and the printing/digitizing thing stops working also

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (q+zA9)

53 There is no reason to offer citizenship to millions of Hispanics over the millions of others who want to come here. That is the fallacy of your fear.

Immigration policy should be based on what America needs and wants, not what neighboring countries need. We need reform to control entries and stays, and to ensure that, just as before the first "reform" effort led by Teddy Kennedy in the '60s, those who come here can either support themselves or have a sponsor for the first five years so they get ZERO public assistance.

We need skilled people. We need a guest worker program for unskilled workers that will cover most of the Hispanics without offering citizenship.

If you feel all is lost, shoot yourself. We have enough Debbie Downers already.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (QIQ6j)

54 the die is cast.

Posted by: Buddha at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (s/sIv)

55 So basically, we're fucked? Yep, my hookers & blow party to greet the SMOD is looking genius...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (1hM1d)

56 I guess all we can do is play for the near term and Hope a Miracle happens at some point -- that socialism will be more thoroughly discredited, that capitalism and freedom get some positive press, such that long-established political preferences can be changed. Ahem. /Stalin, East Germany, Cuba, NORK

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (lUXJH)

57 When you say Hispanics most of these are Mexicans, which grew up with a socialist government and think government should buy them off. The Mexican government is famous for that. Also, most of these folks are not paying taxes. When the tax burden gets to the point that it pisses them off, they will figure out socialism sucks. The goal? Make everyone rich and Republican.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 01, 2014 11:46 AM (0FSuD)

58 To set up shop in Meh-hee-Ko, you need partner(s) with at least 51 % onwership

you can't vote or receive any sort of welfare benefits, or put your kids in public schools ( unless you bribe like a m*therf*cker to get them in )

Posted by: Jules ( these are the days, my friends ) at April 01, 2014 11:47 AM (JyjXt)

59 Well, we can always emigrate to Mexico. At the rate they're invading us, we should have the place all to ourselves. I've got dibs on the Baja Peninsula.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 01, 2014 11:47 AM (0HooB)

60 1. Start with deportation. Use their assets (if any) to help defray our costs.
2. The deportees should be eligible to reapply for entry after, say 25 years.
3. You let the illegals stay, and we'll look like Mexico before too long. Hell, Ogabe would outlaw the Catholic Church tomorrow if he thought he could get away with it.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/omnbq3f

Posted by: F**k that s**t at April 01, 2014 11:47 AM (1/4XQ)

61 By the third generation, then, out of every 1,000,000 Hispanic voters, we'll merely be losing net 220,000 votes-Ace No, not really. Because once the dems control everything, it will be wave after wave after wave, fucking white caps of illegal immigrants. Did I say white caps? Oops hope that isn't hating.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (HVff2)

62 1) Republic of Texas 2) Annex Mexico 3) Freedom

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (F5+IX)

63 Belize pops to mind. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 03:45 PM (gOoFi) ___________________ Belize is WV on the Caribbean. Really.... They speak English.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (32Ze2)

64 Romney lost because voters didn't think he cared about them. Obamas micro targeting and Romney's demonization worked. It was not because of Hispanics. Look at the exit polls. People didn't relate to Romney or felt he would work for them. Just enough people listed that as their reason that it tipped the election for Obama. That and the massive fraud.

Posted by: NWConservative at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (my8YV)

65 Remember, it's not enough to be tolerant of diversity. You must celebrate(!) it, or it's over for you.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (1Y+hH)

66 I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. In general, there are 3 options: 1- Give in. Embrace big government, and just promise to "do it better." There are lots and lots of problems with that. Eventually the gods of the copybook headings WILL be satisfied. 2- Fight. In this case, that means doing exactly what the Prog/Commies did (and hope to High Heaven that we have enough time) and begin a "slow march through the institutions." Take back PUBLIC education (sorry, that's here to stay, and we need to acknowledge that its a battle-ground). Take back entertainment. Take back the media. And so forth. 3- BOHICA

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (PYAXX)

67 The Rapture is coming soon?

Posted by: Hoping For A Miracle at April 01, 2014 11:48 AM (nbGZj)

68 Wake up and smell the 'fundamental change'.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (BZAd3)

69 Scotland's independence vote cannot come soon enough. Maybe it will spark discussion.

Posted by: Redrawn at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (wu/TK)

70 The only thing that's going to stop the progressives is when they crash and burn the country. The ONLY thing we have going for us is that leftism/socialism doesn't work.

Posted by: gwelf at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (+7Usq)

71 Only thing in the general region that came to mind.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (gOoFi)

72 The answer to winning Hispanic voters is pretty simple. Social conservatism, fiscal liberalism. Of course, that doesn't hold true for all Hispanics either, of course. It's the path to winning Texas Hispanics (pro-life by a 2-1 margin) but not necessarily California Hispanics. Do I think we should do this? No. No I do not.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (hFL/3)

73 Oh, or option 4: Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (PYAXX)

74 Yeah pretty much what Ace said. With or without amnesty, the future of the US is Argentina/Brazil. Amnesty will just determine whether it's fully implemented in 10 years or 20 years.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 11:49 AM (0LHZx)

75 speaking of amnesty. Paul Ryan sent me a beg-a-thon letter. F*ck him, i'll send it back to him and ask him to beg from the illegals.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2014 11:50 AM (HVff2)

76 They come here as socialists because they've been on the "free" end, and the gravy train here is even better than where they came from. Those that earn, quickly learn that they are paying for the "free" stuff out of their own pockets. They all need to understand as quickly as possible that 1) nothing is "free", and that 2) because of their earning and stepping up the socio/economic ladder, they will be the ones paying from now on.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at April 01, 2014 11:50 AM (VSfsH)

77 Gerrymandering is the only solution.

We did a pretty good job after the last census.. we gotta do even more after the next before it's too late.

The one thing we have going for us is that they tend to group in the same geographical areas.

For instance.. take California (please!).. California is a single huge state. It is hopelessly socialist.. But so what? It's one effin' state. There's still only 2 senators. And there's a finite number of electoral votes.

What really pisses off libs when you talk to them about this shit is that every man woman and child in California and New York can vote for their socialist candidate, but they still only get the same number of electoral votes. They freakin HATE the electoral system. They want a true popular vote. If they ever get that, we're screwed. Until then, however, the big cities and big socialist states have less power than they should given the populations of FSA. So, as much as we can keep them all in big cities, we'll be able to last longer.. but it is inevitable that conservative voters are a dying breed.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 01, 2014 11:50 AM (Z7PrM)

78 If you feel all is lost, shoot yourself. We have enough Debbie Downers already. Posted by: Adjoran at April 01, 2014 03:46 PM (QIQ6j) Great, another convert.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 01, 2014 11:50 AM (1Y+hH)

79 I've never understood the negativity that surrounds the term BOHICA.

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 01, 2014 11:50 AM (Aif/5)

80 You know, just when I think I've drunk deeply of the well of cynicism, it becomes apparent that I am, in fact, Polly Pollyanna. I remain stunned that when I take the position that, hey, why don't we enforce the current laws on the books, you know, the ones we were told were the compromise with which we must live, I am the one who is advocating a shocking and beyond the pale position.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 01, 2014 03:44 PM (mf5HN)

There are days when I think that humanity is too stupid to save and that SMOD is the only answer. Those are my optimistic days.

Posted by: physics geek at April 01, 2014 11:51 AM (MT22W)

81 80% of Scots who are employed are in the public sector ( mostly govt, the rest in govt-monopoly utilities, transport, etc ). Same is true in Wales

Scotland, indep or not, is no model for nothin'

Posted by: Jules ( these are the days, my friends ) at April 01, 2014 11:51 AM (JyjXt)

82 You can't change minds without a megaphone and the Republican/Conservative part doesn't do megaphones terribly well. You would need almost every organ of culture to be broadcasting the horrors of socialism, and that just isn't going to happen. Socialism is such an easy, thoughtless sell (everybody shares everything). It appeals to babies everywhere. Never mind that slaves have to make the things that you're sharing. That whole bit about "any government strong enough to give you everything is strong enough to take it away" requires abstract thinking about the nature of power and knowledge of the kinds of people that power attracts. You're asking toddlers to read Tolstoy. It's going to burn, whether we want it to or not. The important part is to point out the cause of the coming fire so that the bastards can't rewrite it after the fact.

Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at April 01, 2014 11:51 AM (sBegS)

83 Do I think we should do this? No. No I do not. Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 03:49 PM (hFL/3 Hey Lauren. Looks like you sent out an invitation for the Mr. Moo Moo. Us dastardly socons.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2014 11:51 AM (HVff2)

84 A Mexican guy I like a lot told me ten years ago, "We lost the last war with muskets but we'll win this one with our dicks."

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 01, 2014 11:51 AM (n+8FE)

85 No Representation without Taxation!

Posted by: garrett at April 01, 2014 11:51 AM (Jpk6L)

86 If you think you are going to throw an amnesty bone and a few other goodies to the illegals and mooches and win the Presidency you are sadly mistaken.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (1Y+hH)

87 Scotland will be just of socialist state as England is. There will be no discussion, IMO, other than carrying on just the same as before. Scotland might have fewer Muslims, but not many less. That's about the only difference demoographically.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (XyM/Y)

According to trends from 100 years ago the bulk of the US population will come from eastern and southern Europe.

That's the funny thing about trends - they continue until they stop, and predicting the future based on a trendline is an exercise in speculation bordering on folly.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stay Outraged, My Friends at the Outrage Outlet at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (hLRSq)

89 I am a cruel, cruel mistress....

Posted by: Math at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (32Ze2)

Deportatations will not happen.

Fracturing off for a "Greater Texas Republic" and the like are wet dreams on the order of the radical Left's assassination fantasies during any Republican Administration. Meaning, I get the appeal and everybody likes to think about it, but its just a pose. Unless you go about doing it, at which point Good Luck to ya, Bro.

GOP is NOT the brand which can take on the demographic doomsday, which no we cannot stop. Additionally, at the "big donors that we listen to" level every one of them support laws that will screw the GOP over for... well, forever.

So just move on. Not trolling, its what I actually believe. Figure out another Party to coalesce around that has a fkn chance at the future at the Presidential level. Keep GOP for lesser offices if you want.

Posted by: Bigby's Rodeo Hands at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (3ZtZW)

91 "We lost the last war with muskets but we'll win this one with our dicks." Cockfight...?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (gOoFi)

92 Oh.. one other thing.

If we ever get the power back again, we need to pass a balanced budget amendment.

We are so used to paying for the free shit on borrowed money, it's not even a topic anymore.

If people want their "free" shit, they will be forced to pay for it in taxes at levels like the Europeans do.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 01, 2014 11:52 AM (Z7PrM)

93 Well, there's secession. And then there's cutting off the free shit to illegals. Then when they start rampaging through our towns and cities because they aren't getting any more free shit, we shoot them.

Posted by: Soona at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (qXgf4)

94 The silver lining in this is that Hispanics for the most part live in already blue areas. Does it matter if CA is 60% Dem now or 80% Dem in 10 years? Not really. Same with NY.

Texas is the obvious exception to this. But Texas Hispanics are a little different I think politically which might buy a decade or two before TX turns solid blue.

But long term, I don't think there's anything to hold back the tide.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (0LHZx)

95 So, aside from purging our values, the other option I see is ending Birth Right Citizenship. It's absolutely insane.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (hFL/3)

96 7 Wasn't this "Romney lost because he lost the minority (specifically "hispanic") vote" idea debunked a while ago? Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 01, 2014 03:40 PM (HLprW) Yes. Even if Romney had gotten over 70% of the Hispanic vote, a percentage even higher than what Obama got of them then Obama still would have won the presidency.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (z/Ubi)

97 What "Hispanic" country is not a socialist/basket case at the moment?

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Seroquel Embiggins No Penis) at April 01, 2014 03:44 PM (GeVLX)

Chile.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stay Outraged, My Friends at the Outrage Outlet at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (hLRSq)

98 Mitt Romney lost because he is a gutless ass clown who would not attack Slappy Obammy on the economy, or taxes or for being a no good worthless mulatto. Instead we got fluff and his 289 point economic plan. Good God what a turd.

Posted by: IrishEd at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (D0NZx)

99 "We lost the last war with muskets but we'll win this one with our dicks." A Phone and a Pen is mightier than the 'Pork Sword'.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (Jpk6L)

100 The answer to winning Hispanic voters is pretty simple.
Social conservatism, fiscal liberalism.

You may want to go back and read the part of the post about how they're not actually socially conservative.

Posted by: HR at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (ZKzrr)

101 some Euros flee to Belize to escape the taxes and set up a business--then move on to the USA, immigrating here as 'Latin Americans'

I know a Dutch family and some Swedes who did this; clever, they were

Posted by: Jules ( these are the days, my friends ) at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (JyjXt)

102 The Media Research Center is tipping it's toe in. MRC Latino Launches With Report on 'Hispanic Media In The Balance' On Tuesday morning, the Media Research Center unveiled its latest arm, MRC Latino, with a symposium in Washington, DC on imbalance and unfairness in Hispanic media, beginning with Univision and Telemundo, introduced with remarks by Sen. Rand Paul. It's time for conservatives to participate more fully in Hispanic media, and for those outlets to present both sides of the nation's most important debates. With a combined audience of approximately three million, the national evening newscasts of Univision and Telemundo have a viewership that rivals that of the top 10 cable news shows. http://tinyurl.com/l5kquyl

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 01, 2014 11:53 AM (IXrOn)

103 If the future of this country is hispanics then this country has no future. Without exception, all spanish speaking countrues are shitholes, spain included.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 01, 2014 11:54 AM (gvWL9)

104 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 03:49 PM (PYAX The other option is simply to poison the well as it were, and just ensure Hispanics stay home rather than going to the polls. It's basically what the dems have been doing to us for years. If you can't actively woo with identity politics (as the Dem's have trouble with suburban white voters) than you simply make sure they're too upset by the other guy to vote for him. It's a tough needle to thread though, and you'd have to basically do nothing but sling mud, but in theory it'd at least hold things at bay for a little while.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 01, 2014 11:54 AM (HDwDg)

105 The silver lining in this is that Hispanics for the most part live in already blue areas.

Like Indiana and Nebraska?

Posted by: HR at April 01, 2014 11:54 AM (ZKzrr)

106 The worst kind of a war is a Dick War. You get brother dicks fighting brother dicks, father dicks fighting son dicks. No, Dick War is never the answer.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 11:54 AM (ZshNr)

107 They also need to understand that 3) they are the new "black", to be kept on the plantation by the dems through the usual...breaking down the traditional Hispanic family, their belief in God, and by ensuring a steady supply of drugs to their barrios. The breakdown of belief in the greatness of the USA they do very well on their own, but of course the left will encourage that as always.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at April 01, 2014 11:54 AM (VSfsH)

108 At least Spain has Tapas.

Posted by: garrett at April 01, 2014 11:55 AM (Jpk6L)

109 Lived in Atlanta for a year and it stunned me how many illegals were there. It seemed no different than being back in DFW.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 11:55 AM (gOoFi)

110

I don't think that the GOP should try to address groups of people. Left-wing politics divide people up by race, class, gender. So it is only natural that they will appeal to people in this divided way.

However conservative principles address individuals--regardless of race, class or gender. The GOP should stay true to this core identity.

I think there is a common fallacy of trying to copy a Democrat Party strategy, thinking it will work for the GOP. Left/Right politics is not a zero-sum game.

And I mean this at a high level. A small, targeted tactical decision of trying to air ads on Univision or things like that, sure.

Posted by: dan-O at April 01, 2014 11:55 AM (D0bIN)

111 Scotland, indep or not, is no model for nothin' A model of containment?

Posted by: Weal Barrow at April 01, 2014 11:55 AM (wu/TK)

112 The nice thing about socialism is that it doesn't work.

Since this country is already in hock up to the moon, the trip to the bottom should be mercifully short.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 01, 2014 11:55 AM (BZAd3)

113 Independent Texas won't do it. They're winning the demographic war and will vote they way they always do.

Posted by: brak at April 01, 2014 11:56 AM (M2qTM)

114 89 According to trends from 100 years ago the bulk of the US population will come from eastern and southern Europe.

That's the funny thing about trends - they continue until they stop, and predicting the future based on a trendline is an exercise in speculation bordering on folly.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stay Outraged, My Friends at the Outrage Outlet at April 01, 2014 03:52 PM (hLRSq)

______________

But that trend from 100 years ago lasted for 50 more years. And the country was radically transformed in those 50 years in large part because of the tens of millions of eastern/southern Europeans that came here.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 11:56 AM (0LHZx)

115 113 The nice thing about socialism is that it doesn't work. Since this country is already in hock up to the moon, the trip to the bottom should be mercifully short. It took 70 years for the Soviet system to collapse.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 01, 2014 11:56 AM (DVPta)

116 Kruschev was right. Russia is going to bury us. We will Barry you.

Posted by: Nikita Kruschev at April 01, 2014 11:56 AM (0HooB)

117 google street view:
14686-14688 Roscoe Blvd
Panorama City, CA 91402 -

it's a fenced city block worth of doom, closed Monkey Wards & satellite businesses, reeking of people poop and feral cats. Panorama City is the Paris of Hell. In the 60s we made chevys. Now we make pinche anchor babies. "Madre" clinics abound in the neighborhood, more than the pot shops. It's a wonderful life, dontcha know?

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (RPDkq)

118 Forget the demographics. The US is already a socialist country--but certain sections of it remain anti socialist. Those sections need to be implementing a plan to get separation from the socialists. Or learn to sing The Internationale.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (6o8TS)

119 "You may want to go back and read the part of the post about how they're not actually socially conservative." You might want to go back to the part where I said that Hispanics aren't exactly a solid voting block and that what works for Texas Hispanics won't work for Californian Hispanics. That said, California is a lost cause, and Texas isn't. But again, I don't suggest that we actually give up our values to win the Hispanic vote, just that doing so would be effective at microtargeting some Hispanics. There's a reason that Bush's "compassionate conservatism" did well in that demographic, comparatively speaking.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (hFL/3)

120

HOLY SWEET FUCK.

In 40 years, Americans were 70% in favor of banning handguns. That is now down to the 20%s.

Principle matters. Take the message to the fucking streets. Hey hispanics, you want to live like blacks and be stuck in fucking barrios all your life.

Then vote democrat. Otherwise, come with us and improve your fucking life. We don't need to "play the near term" We don't need to "pray for a miracle."

We need to FUCKING FIGHT IT IN THE STREETS. Never back down and take your message to everyone. That's how you win.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (tVTLU)

121 I suppose on the other hand, you could bypass concern about hispanics or anything else and just concentrate on defeating or escaping the Socialism [which is coming. How come we're so calm about this? We're telling bewb jokes in the fields they're clearing for a future Gulag]

Posted by: Bigby's Rodeo Hands at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (3ZtZW)

122 Another interesting study I've read indicates that each progressing generation tends to have fewer kids, "Americanize" their reproduction if you will.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (gOoFi)

123 gwelf: "The ONLY thing we have going for us is that leftism/socialism doesn't work."

And the tragedy of this rolling trainwreck is that even while knowing it doesn't work, the train keeps moving; furthermore, when it reaches its destination, the train won't be moved again. Well, the odds are heavily against it. Socialism dominates the globe. That and tyranny of various flavors. There is absolutely zero guarantee that legacy America can be reconstituted. After all, there was no America before America. It can disappear and become just a historical anomaly. Eventually, it will as has every civilization the earth has ever seen.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (1CroS)

124 Posted by: Uncle Jefe at April 01, 2014 03:54 PM (VSfsH) See, part of the problem is that the Democrats are masters of the gilded cage. You don't realize when you first start taking those benefits, but the deck is actively stacked against you ever shedding yourself of them. The point at which benefits cut off is so low when compared with the lifestyle those benefits provide, people are actively encouraged to take the benefits forever. But once you're hooked, you'll not only keep taking the benefits forever, you'll begin fighting against anyone who seems like a threat to those benefits. It works nearly 100% of the time. And it's evil.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 11:57 AM (PYAXX)

125 47 64 No one wants to talk about why millions of Republicans stayed home, although the "demonization of Romney" gets close. This is not a SoCon friendly blog, so no surprise that there aren't many on here. The answer isn't that he wasn't conservative enough, it's that he was a Mormon. I know many of you won't believe that, but there are millions of Christian evangelicals who (a) are not terribly concerned, in the end, about who runs things in this place on earth for the next four years, because they're looking to eternity, and this life doesn't really matter that much, and (b) would never vote for a Mormon in a million years. Or a Muslim, for that matter, so if the choice is between a Mormon and a Muslim, the answer is to stay home.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 01, 2014 11:58 AM (UHIiO)

126 >> 1. We cannot win elections on the presidential level for many more years without significantly attracting more Hispanic voters. Conventional wisdom - and cover for the amnesty wing of the GOP - but far from a slam-dunk. Start here: http://goo.gl/hH55X

Posted by: Andy at April 01, 2014 11:58 AM (W/AGL)

127 I guess all we can do is play for the near term and Hope a Miracle happens at some point -- that socialism will be more thoroughly discredited, that capitalism and freedom get some positive press, such that long-established political preferences can be changed. There was a time that the US was respected by the international community (hated, but respected, none-the-less for it's freedoms, technological and medical achievements, etc). Our legal immigrant policy was working. Now, it's not, hence the tipping point. The very tight control that all other countries have regarding immigration, and the lowering of corporate taxes is flipping the US on it's socialist head, while others, still socialist, are adopting some conservative policies to survive. (see Canada: low corp tax and very tight (and expensive) immigration policy)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 01, 2014 11:58 AM (IXrOn)

128 If Amnesty is not passed, the GOP has no other plan to increase government revenue other than massive tax increases on everyone which, well, they are doing anyway. So financially we are about to collapse as there is no amount of tax revenue available to save us even if there was an amnesty. This morning there was an OCare advocate on Fox who was starting the argument that what a horrible place America is for not offering free healthcare to illegal aliens. There is no way to stop the millions of insanely stupid people who demand to run everyones' lives to the point of death. It will come to violence and Civil War. You can't stop it now.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (QjMIa)

129 For at least a generation now, white middle class people have not been having children, and if they do it is a relatively small number later in life. This is a great idea to preserve your individual prosperity, but if everybody does it the results aren't so good. They only have themselves to blame.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (8MjqI)

130

>"We lost the last war with muskets but we'll win this one with our dicks."
...

And leaf blowers.

Posted by: Manuel Labor at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (wAQA5)

131 My Amigo'sh. We have noshing to fear from gash caushed by burritoesh. I like to name thish bill after Teddy "Lowrider" Kennedy.

Posted by: Juan McCain at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (igKtt)

132 I don't think I'm in the let it burn camp yet. I still want to fight against all of this leftist bullshit.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (DNpio)

133 California is our future?

Posted by: --- at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (MMC8r)

134 Yeah, it's easy to vote for socialism when you think you'll be a net beneficiary. And it's never about your situation relative to what capitalism will net you, it is about your relation to your neighbors. There is an old joke with a punch line "I want you to kill my neighbors cow." Hispanics will continue to believe that capitalism is a rigged game, when they see more and more Hispanics in poverty (because they're immigrants). Even though they have it pretty well, they'll assume rich, white Republicans keeping Hispanics down are responsible for this. But there will be a race conflict. Eventually, blacks are going to fight against sharing leadership of the party with Hispanics. And, for that matter, with whites. There are as many black Republican Senators as there are black(ish) Democrat Senators. I don't think that changes in 2014, regardless of the outcome, but I could be wrong on that.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (nQMb8)

135 What "Hispanic" country is not a socialist/basket case at the moment? Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Seroquel Embiggins No Penis) at April 01, 2014 03:44 PM (GeVLX) Chile. Peruvia!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (lUXJH)

136 I've got dibs on the Baja Peninsula. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 01, 2014 03:47 PM (0HooB) I call Chichen Itza!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 01, 2014 11:59 AM (mf5HN)

137 Hey I know what a good idea is. Let's escape this socialist hell hole for a better country and then vote in socialists in that country.

Yeah, the average Mexican has a 3rd grade education. I'm not exaggerating.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (J79eW)

138 It's not just Hispanics. It's pretty much any group of people whose forefathers aren't from the British Isles.

Italians: Democrats
Irish: Democrats
Swedes: Democrats (see MN voting patters if you don't believe me)
Asians: Democrats
Africans: Democrats

I mean fuck pick any ethnicity/nationality other than Scott/English and the majority of them are Democrats.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (0LHZx)

139 In what States, Caesar North, did this phenomenon result in Romney losing electoral votes? I know a bunch of shitbirds stayed home out of idiocy and apathy, but I really don't think Christians not voting for a Mormon had jack to do with it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (ZshNr)

140 I mentioned a couple of weeks ago that a Mexican I know estimated there were 50k to 60k illegals in both Houston and Atlanta just from San Luis PotosÃ alone. They have an entire baseball league in Houston.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (n+8FE)

141 35

If you want to preserve things you are racist.

Posted by: blaster at April 01, 2014 03:44 PM (SZZeT)

And "anti-gay."

Posted by: Big McLargehuge at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (o1CfD)

142 Ladiesh And Gentleman. Would You Pleash Shtand, remove your Doo rags and rise for the shinging of Lowrider.

Posted by: Juan McCain at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (igKtt)

143 Like Indiana and Nebraska?
Posted by:HR
..............
A few percent of total population.. some higher concentration in a few cities, but not much at all.

http://tinyurl.com/k8coyk3

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (Z7PrM)

144 Hispanics will never become Republican voters because Democrats have taught them dependence is good. They've taught them it is better to be fed, then to be a farmer.

Given that context and their mostly socialist, third-world orientation, Democrats will keep most Hispanics enslaved for generations. Very few have or will break the chains of dependency forged on lies, mischaracterizations and underwritten by the slave master media.

Republicans also give a wink and nod to this enslavement. At least this generation of Boehner's, McConnells idiot buffoons like Reince Priebus and and establishment brokered and funded by ignorant corporatists.

Bottom line: what America once was, it will probably never be again. It has mostly become a zero sum game of stealing from the shrinking productive sector to feed a growing dependency. It will continue to be underwritten by politically correct, tempered liberal language that brands any wise proposal as racist, correctly dire predictions as falsehoods and anyone that dare to utter the truth as an apostate.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (GGCsk)

145 This is what happens when you associate with Allahpundit. If I came to you and said, "My horoscope says millions of people are racially conditioned not to like us, and that's from Now On" you would not be depressed. You'd say I was crazy. This is a POLL, though, so it's like, reality! The Pew Research Group read the future of the United States for 3 generations in 2011! It's right there, see?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 01, 2014 12:00 PM (5xmd7)

146 Are people from Chile and Belize sneaking into the USA? Probably not I guess.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Seroquel Embiggins No Penis) at April 01, 2014 12:01 PM (GeVLX)

147 121 Yes

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 01, 2014 12:01 PM (DNpio)

148 140 In what States, Caesar North, did this phenomenon result in Romney losing electoral votes? I know a bunch of shitbirds stayed home out of idiocy and apathy, but I really don't think Christians not voting for a Mormon had jack to do with it. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 04:00 PM (ZshNr) I've heard this many times, but not seen any data backing it up.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 01, 2014 12:01 PM (EKQk0)

149 92 we'll win this one with our dicks."

Cockfight...?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 03:52 PM (gOoFi)

I am so there!

Posted by: Ricky Martin at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (EDWuJ)

150 It took 70 years for the Soviet system to collapse.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 01, 2014 03:56 PM (DVPta)

---------------------------------------------

This nation is already being kicked to death by a rabbit.

Posted by: Soona at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (MzhHs)

151

Why do we have to settle for 59% of the white vote?

One of the points of the graph has to move, either the share of white votes or share of non-white votes.

There is little practical reason for white Americans to vote Democrat.

The problem is, Democrats can and do make overt appeals to voting-by-race. Republicans cannot and do not.

Posted by: CJ at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (9KqcB)

152 @102 Part of the blandishment Justice Roberts got for enslaving the American People was the overlooking of his "Latin" adopted kids.
They're about as Latin as the Mass they used to say on the old sod.

Posted by: F**k that s**t at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (1/4XQ)

153 The burn will be spicy si?

Posted by: Cartman's Thumb at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (DL2i+)

154 They are even more concentrated than I thought.

http://tinyurl.com/k8coyk3
Today, the 100 largest counties by Hispanic population contain 71% of all Hispanics. Los Angeles County, CA alone contains 4.9 million Hispanics, or 9% of the nationÂ’s Hispanic population. But the share of all Hispanics who live in these same counties has fallen from 75% in 2000 and 78% in 1990, reflecting Hispanic population growth outside of these 100 counties.

Half (52%) of those counties are in three statesÂ—California, Texas and Florida. Along with Arizona, New Mexico, New York, New Jersey and Illinois, these eight states contain three-quarters (74%) of the nationÂ’s Latino population. But with the dispersal of the U.S. Latino population across the country, this share too is down from 79% in 2000 and 84% in 1990.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (Z7PrM)

155 @47 Vic, Romney won NC, we didn't sit home.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (0FSuD)

156 Estimates are 1.7 million illegal immigrants in Texas. Over 500,000 in the greater Houston area alone.

Posted by: brak at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (M2qTM)

157 Wasn't this "Romney lost because he lost the minority (specifically "hispanic") vote" idea debunked a while ago? - Rush certainly thinks so.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (XUKZU)

158 Solution: a few million conservatives invade Canada, take over, expel the French Canadians and start over. This time with a better Constitution which for instance limits the size of government and raises the voting age to 25.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 01, 2014 12:02 PM (LiHKo)

159 I suppose on the other hand, you could bypass concern about hispanics or anything else and just concentrate on defeating or escaping the Socialism [which is coming. How come we're so calm about this? We're telling bewbjokes in the fields they're clearing for a future Gulag Because when we do go off, there will be a body count.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 12:03 PM (lUXJH)

160 People are what they are until they aren't. Groups go from mixed to monolithic to mixed to whateverthefucktheyare. Groups also "explode" in population until they stop. My ancestors were Scots-Irish and German, lived in Appalachia for decades, had lots of kids, up until just two generations ago. My own kids won't be white. Things change, people change, and if those with brains use them to actively and aggressively persuade, minds can too.

Posted by: CAC at April 01, 2014 12:03 PM (pQkGj)

161 32 Hey I know what a good idea is. Let's escape this socialist hell hole for a better country and then vote in socialists in that country.

Brilliant!

***

Millions of Yankees moving to the South can't be wrong!

Posted by: B at April 01, 2014 12:03 PM (twiRb)

162 One way - close down all immigration for 15 years. We're full. Then - assimilate. The 1970's were the beginning due to the denigration of the "melting pot" at the time with hysteric leftists pointing at the race riots they instigates as "proof" it was not working. It doesn't work when people are segregated by congressional districts and violence. Cut that out and start enforcing the laws and push the melting pot positively. That would do it. Of course, it won't happen because the Left is evil and would never agree - it might help the US and they hate the US.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 01, 2014 12:03 PM (4nWsU)

163 But Romney appears to have won the white vote. Even the white woman vote. Hard to debunk that.

Posted by: HoboJerky at April 01, 2014 12:03 PM (y9dfJ)

164 *stabs self in eye*

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (izCt9)

165 Lived in Atlanta for a year and it stunned me how many illegals were there. It seemed no different than being back in DFW.

The 11 million number is a farce. They've used it forever. But with an additional 1 million illegals / year, who is counting those people? I'm guessing it's more like 25 - 30 million.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (J79eW)

166 A few percent of total population.. some higher concentration in a few cities, but not much at all.

1/3 of the babies born this decade. No, that's not much at all.

Posted by: HR at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (ZKzrr)

167 Options are few: 1) Play the Race Card. Instead of winning 59% of the White Vote, go for 80%. Upside: Might win. Downside: America would probably suck a lot more as a place to live when both the Democrats and Republicans are explicitly race-based parties with Dems getting 75-90% of the black and hispanic vote and Repubs getting 80% of the white vote. This is how many ethnically divided countries do things. It's one of the reasons that ethnically diverse countries tend to suck and be corrupt and violent. 2) Bankroll a thousand Mex-American Republicans. More Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and George P. Motherfucking Bushes.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)

168 137 I've got dibs on the Baja Peninsula. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 01, 2014 03:47 PM (0HooB) I call Chichen Itza! Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at April 01, 2014 03:59 PM (mf5HN) I'll occupy Casa Bonita!

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (XUKZU)

169 But seriously, though, the future of America is Brazil with Nukes. We're fooking doomed.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif)

170 Regardless. Rand has got the right idea. Take the time to get your face out there in front of voting blocs. Sell it. Even to deaf ears.

Posted by: HoboJerky at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (y9dfJ)

171 Romney lost because he ran against the nice man in the nice suit, and not against the Commie paedophile.
Limbaugh has said many times that if you added all, as in every single G-D one, the "Hispanic" votes to Romney's totals, he would still have lost.

Posted by: F**k that s**t at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (1/4XQ)

172 ThThe

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (ZshNr)

173 So, aside from purging our values, the other option I see is ending Birth Right Citizenship. It's absolutely insane. *drags out soapbox* The 14th Amendment prohibits BRC. It was misinterpreted for reasons which I still don't understand. The part "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" somehow just got completely ignored, along with the common sense that accompanied it. How in the hell can you be a citizen if your parents aren't citizens?

Posted by: Nikita Kruschev at April 01, 2014 12:04 PM (0HooB)

174

And something else, this is why we need amnesty now.

Our previous VP candidate who works with outright SOCIALIST/COMMUNISTS told me so.

Why again do we have to suffer with such shitty candidates?? Yay Romney Ryan!!!

Fuck.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 01, 2014 12:05 PM (tVTLU)

175 Off, foul communist sock.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 01, 2014 12:05 PM (0HooB)

176

Frankly, I'd rather have fewer Hispanics here and voting, then.

And no, I don't apologise for saying that.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 01, 2014 12:05 PM (YYJjz)

177 What CAC said in @161 times 1000.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at April 01, 2014 12:05 PM (izCt9)

178 The trouble with ~~Scotland~~ America... is that it's full of ~~Scots~~Americans!

[laughter]

If we can't get them out, we breed them out.

Posted by: Guillermo de Grandeshanks at April 01, 2014 12:05 PM (08jH8)

179 I've got a solution. Two Words: Jeb Bush. He speaks Spanish, ya know.

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (M2qTM)

180 " It's pretty much any group of people whose forefathers aren't from the British Isles.... Irish: Democrats" First of all, barely. Second of all ???? Ireland is part of the British Isles

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (hFL/3)

181 I mean fuck pick any ethnicity/nationality other than Scott/English and the majority of them are Democrats.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 04:00 PM (0LHZx)

Sure, they all are voting lockstep with their ethnic buddies.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stay Outraged, My Friends at the Outrage Outlet at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (hLRSq)

182

I previously posted that the best evidence of the Left's knowledge that they are really wrong but can't admit it is that most on the Right would agree to a peaceful split of the Country down ideological lines but the Left would never agree to same. Why exactly would that be?

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (m2CN7)

183 In what States, Caesar North, did this phenomenon result in Romney losing electoral votes? I know a bunch of shitbirds stayed home out of idiocy and apathy, but I really don't think Christians not voting for a Mormon had jack to do with it. Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 04:00 PM (ZshNr) My Catholic mother abhors the Mormon faith. And, yeah, it influenced her voting.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (IXrOn)

184 The reality of NC defies beloved stereotypes so it is ignored. More evil Yankees moving in, all of a sudden the GOP controls the Legislature for the first time since automobiles were science fiction, must be a conspiracy.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (ZshNr)

185

Well this is a charming thread.

anyone drinking booze yet?

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at April 01, 2014 12:06 PM (q+zA9)

186 "Mitt Romney attracted 59% of the white vote, but he lost the election due to losing so many minority votes."
Well that and Ohio precincts voting 100% for Obama, and more than 200 counties with more people registered to vote than actual voting age people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2014 12:07 PM (zfY+H)

187 The "we need cheap labor" argument rings just slightly hollow in this economy and with historic unemployment. We have no manufacturing sector to speak of and the service sector has been pummeled. The answer is not to bring in more third world gardeners and construction laborers who aspire to be nothing more than that. And the quality of services provided by these immigrants are horrible. These are not the craftsmen and tradesmen who cam from Europe and Scandinavia to this country, contributed to her greatness and educated their children to become better off each generation.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:07 PM (GGCsk)

188 Repubs in the South win even though 1/3rd of voters vote 95% Democrat. Democrats dominate the black vote and Repubs dominate he white vote. And since whites are 2/3rd and blacks are 1/3rd in the South, Repubs tend to win. This formula doesn't work when it's 50-50, though.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:07 PM (ZPrif)

189 >>143 Ladiesh And Gentleman. Would You Pleash Shtand, remove your Doo rags and rise for the shinging of Lowrider. Posted by: Juan McCain at April 01, 2014 04:00 PM << I wish that wasn't funny because it is prophetic.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 01, 2014 12:07 PM (n+8FE)

190 Just spit ballin' here, but maybe a good first step would be for those (allegedly) on our side to not attack and demonize those who can articulate conservatism and its benefits for everyone, not just a particular class. Instead, we have those who can't wait to demagogue a potential candidate or public figure because they might have said the wrong thing once. It doesn't matter that they would vote the right way 95+% of the time, what matters is that they said or did something that might make someone uncomfortable, so they must be destroyed. Do you see the left do this, ever? That party is filled with people saying and doing the stupidest stuff, yet they never stop supporting them because they will vote for their agenda. We can point and laugh, but who are the real dumb asses here?

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (LSJmV)

191 "Well this is a charming thread. " Isn't it, though. Lots a yucks.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (gOoFi)

192 Split the electoral college votes in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, and possibly Virginia based on number of Congressional seats per party- not winner-take-all-popular vote. Done. GOP presidential victory for the next 3 elections. Romney would have won if they had the balls to do this.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (LiHKo)

193

The only thing that's going to stop the progressives is when they crash and burn the country.

The ONLY thing we have going for us is that leftism/socialism doesn't work.

Posted by: gwelf at April 01, 2014 03:49 PM (+7Usq)

I disagree. When it doesn't work, they'll start rounding people up. When THAT doesn't work, they'll start shooting them.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (fwARV)

194 Lincoln and Insomniac, the problem is it's like proving voter fraud. The fact that these people didn't show up for exit polls means they weren't polled, so as far as post-election demographics go, they don't exist. But if you ask yourself where the missing millions of normally-reliable Republican voters were, there's your explanation. (That was true in the primaries/caucuses too, and explains some of the anti-Romney flavor of the day in early 2012. There's probably someone's Ph.D. dissertation in teasing out the missing voters.)

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (UHIiO)

195 To me it's delaying it as long as possible, that's about the only victory I can see. If not giving them citizenship means another 20 years of keeping us from being a 3rd world country, I'll take what I can get.

I will say though the longer Hispanics are part of American culture and the greater their numbers, the less they are going to see themselves as aggrieved minority. That, and having more Republicans with names like Martinez, Rubio, Cruz etc will probably help as well.

I can see the day where we look at Hispanics in the US like we now look at Italians. Nobody really talks about the "Italian" vote.

Posted by: McAdams at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (ceSyD)

196 139: A couple exceptions...German-Americans (the bulk of the US population) are split. For example the germans and czechs who populated a lot of texas vs. those in Wisconsin. Also, post WW2 eastern bloc immigrants tend to be very republican. Before WW2 they mostly follow the path of irish, etc

Posted by: BSR at April 01, 2014 12:08 PM (3wrJ+)

197 He speaks Spanish, ya know. Posted by: Karl Rove
..........
He's got a Mexican wife, for cripessakes! Those Lateenos will line up to vote for him!

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (Z7PrM)

198 Well that and Ohio precincts voting 100% for Obama, and more than 200 counties with more people registered to vote than actual voting age people. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2014 04:07 PM (zfY+H) Except when you actually look at those precincts and look at them again back in 2004, the Ds pulled the same trick. The problem is the suburban areas did not vote as R as they had in 2004 (by margin of vote, not # of votes). Blaming fraud costing us losses in the hundreds of thousands of votes ignores the fucking awfulness of the Romney campaign. Incompetent boobs all the way down.

Posted by: CAC at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (pQkGj)

199 Country can't split ideologically cause it's an urban/rural divide not state divide. The Left controls most of the important cities in the South, too. And almost all the fast-growing ones. The capitals and college towns. Raleigh, Atlanta, Houston, Austin, etc, etc.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (ZPrif)

200 I previously posted that the best evidence of theLeft's knowledge that they are really wrong but can't admit it is thatmost on the Right would agree to a peaceful split of the Country down ideological lines but the Left would never agree to same. Why exactly would that be? Because they know they would be broke & starving within a year.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (lUXJH)

201 George P. Bush Should. Fix. Everything.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (gOoFi)

202 Okay, then there were some pure bigot votes, but really, were we going to win Florida or Pennsylvania if Romney was Lutheran?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (ZshNr)

203 But Hoping for a Miracle doesn't sound like political strategy. It sounds like folly. It sounds like desperation As was famously said in some movie, "Welcome to the party, pal"

Posted by: Normal man, spitting on his hands at April 01, 2014 12:09 PM (agLwc)

204 Not sure if anyone sent a shout out to our friends over at LiB, but hey! LiB! R

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (wZxsP)

205

Given the performance of the GOPe lately, a shit I do not give if they ever win the White House.

You can lump that in with the shit I do not give about the NSA getting knee-capped, or the military getting cut. Just less shit to be used against me in the future.

The country has changed. I've moved on.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (9LOmK)

206 We need skilled people. We need a guest worker program for unskilled workers that will cover most of the Hispanics without offering citizenship.

If you feel all is lost, shoot yourself. We have enough Debbie Downers already.
Posted by: Adjoran

Wrong, there's plenty of skilled people here just not at the offered wage.
Wrong, guests inevitably overstay their welcome.

And FUCK YOU!

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (DL2i+)

207 The Mexican narco culture is never spoken of. You don't hear anything of it. It idolizes drive bys, beheadings, violence...total depravity and cruelty. A lot of the immigrants here are refugees from that culture. The Mexican govt is useless and does nothing to protect the people so they flee here because, well, simply put it's safer. However, they've brought the virus with them. Anyone here who's LE has seen it. Lots of people have seen it. It's here. Now. And it's bad juju. To get to Ace's point: they vote 75/25 because this govt is better than the one they came from, and path of least resistance. We see our govt as corrupt, but this is utopia compared to Mexico. And our govt gives out free shit. There's several fixes, but I haven't the time to debate/discuss now, as they're extensive.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (x3YFz)

208 126 Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 01, 2014 03:58 PM (UHIiO So-con here, gave money to and voted for Romney. Voted for McCain, but did not donate. I will not vote for another limp wristed RINO. And I have voted in every presidential election since 1980

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (HVff2)

209

> I don't see what the hell there is to do about it.

...

We could outlaw tortillas.

Posted by: wth at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (wAQA5)

210 Shorter: we are screwed.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 01, 2014 12:10 PM (bbivj)

211 "Except when you actually look at those precincts and look at them again back in 2004, the Ds pulled the same trick."
They control more of the secretaries of state and have the machine more in place now. It takes a really wishful person to pretend fraud didn't throw the last election. Not that it matters either way; the Republic is doomed regardless.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (zfY+H)

212 That poll question is kinda weird. Not even accounting for cost, at all.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (WdbF7)

213 But most likely this will be a generation or two of socialist enfuckening. We really are more in a position of trying to limit the damage. The Right needs to learn to use more minority tactics, lawfare, civil protest, etc.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (ZPrif)

214 "but really, were we going to win Florida or Pennsylvania if Romney was Lutheran?" If he ran the same campaign I think not.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (gOoFi)

215 I disagree. When it doesn't work, they'll start rounding people up. When THAT doesn't work, they'll start shooting them. We shoot back.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (lUXJH)

216 >>The part "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" somehow just got completely ignored, along with the common sense that accompanied it. No it wasn't. If illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction they cannot be prosecuted for any crime without the permission of their home government. That's the rules for ambassadors. "Not subject to the jurisdiction" is a blanket exemption. >>How in the hell can you be a citizen if your parents aren't citizens? Because black slaves weren't citizens. 8 million native-born blacks the South insisted were naturalized citizens -- a limited, contingent naturalization that the states could restrict. The 14th stomped that flat. Born here, born a full citizen. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (5xmd7)

217 The need for cheap labor brought African slaves here, causing an economic distortion that we are still working off.
Your cheap Mexican labor gets food stamps and rent subsidies, and interpreters at the public expense. They don't have driver's licenses and may not have auto insurance. Which budget do you charge for that?

Posted by: F**k that s**t at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (1/4XQ)

218 In Baja, we create the greatest irrigation system in the world. Then we cover the whole thing with grass that needs to be mowed. Immigrant magnet!

Ideas. I've got a million of them.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (GGCsk)

219 I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist. So basically we're fucked then? Well, at least it was a good run.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 01, 2014 12:11 PM (vd7A8)

220 I have every confidence our savvy Republican leadership will not let Democrats surpass them when it comes to pandering for Hispanic votes. Thus, when our Â“leadersÂ” reach across the aisle so as to ensure the swift passage of Comprehensive Immigration Reform (aka amnesty) and set these people on the path to the nearest voting booth, Hispanics across the board will show their eternal gratitude by voting 'Republican' in astonishingly overwhelming numbers. That IS the underlying Â“strategyÂ”, isnÂ’t it?

Posted by: alwyr at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (V0j3u)

221 I have a friend with extended family in Mexico. They live in the Southwest and their entire State is run by the Zetas Cartel. The Governor comes around and kisses babies, opens schools and picks up bribes and orders from the cartel. Cartel enforcers openly appear alongside the Governor's bodyguards. As far as his professed ideology, he would be considered a RINO Republican here in the States. He is hated with a passion by the general population. Just my $0.02.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (Yewno)

222 bonhomme: "Yeah, the average Mexican has a 3rd grade education. I'm not exaggerating."

I've been seeing videos of American college students. I think too many of them have 3rd grade educations, too.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (1CroS)

223 I'm still not convinced the majority of people vote based on policy/ideology. Barack Obama was reelected because he's a "cool guy" who sings Al Green songs.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (DNpio)

224 "I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it."

I remember the original 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty, signed by Reagan, and getting that horrible sensation in the pit of the stomach that you get after you realize a huge irrevocable mistake has just happened.

Meanwhile, all around me, chirpy GOP establishment types were saying "What? Why are you such a downer? Everything's fine!"

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (noWW6)

225 You don't realize when you first start taking those benefits, but the deck is actively stacked against you ever shedding yourself of them. The point at which benefits cut off is so low when compared with the lifestyle those benefits provide, people are actively encouraged to take the benefits forever.

But once you're hooked, you'll not only keep taking the benefits forever, you'll begin fighting against anyone who seems like a threat to those benefits.

It works nearly 100% of the time. And it's evil.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 03:57 PM (PYAXX)

--------------------------------------------

What's perplexing is that I know several people who loved working and providing for themselves before 2009, but then in the years of Dear Leader, have lost their jobs and had to go on the government dole.

They were conservative before, but now.........

It's a purposely induced national sickness. Why work when the gubmint will pay a person more than what he was making before.

Posted by: Soona at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (MzhHs)

226 The Mexican govt has exported their race problem. The Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande don't look like the Mexicans in the rich suburbs of Mexico City.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)

227 You rethugiKKKants need a catchy phrase "A burrito in every pot" That should do it

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 12:12 PM (z5U4s)

228 The "we need cheap labor" argument rings just slightly hollow in this economy and with historic unemployment. We have no manufacturing sector to speak of and the service sector has been pummeled. The answer is not to bring in more third world gardeners and construction laborers who aspire to be nothing more than that. And the quality of services provided by these immigrants are horrible. These are not the craftsmen and tradesmen who cam from Europe and Scandinavia to this country, contributed to her greatness and educated their children to become better off each generation.
Posted by: Marcus T
...........
Which is why the GOP needs to become more populist and stop kowtowing to groups like the Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at April 01, 2014 12:13 PM (Z7PrM)

229 Meanwhile, the Chamber of Commerce crowd and Washington Republicans will continue to push for unlimited illegal immigration so their cronies can line their pockets with the profits they maximized off all that cheap labor. I really don't understand why anybody thinks the business community is on our side.

Posted by: booger at April 01, 2014 12:13 PM (xRDdL)

230 O.T. People having to choose between Obamacare and groceries. Afiordable Care?!! Hardly. But Obama can take the victory lap. Sure. http://tinyurl.com/k9f5u76

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2014 12:13 PM (XyM/Y)

231 Scored some Pappy Van Winkle 23 that I was going to save. This thread killed that. I am uncorking it when I get home...

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (GGCsk)

232 "The Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande don't look like the Mexicans in the rich suburbs of Mexico City" Ever watch Telemundo? That's what rich suburbians look like in MXC.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (gOoFi)

233 I'm not hoping for a miracle, I'm praying for an implosion and separation of the states.

Sorry Bigby I don't think it is a wet dream to want the Red states allowed to exploit their resources and labor pools without the Socialist fetters.

The good news is I get my heart stress tested on the 7th to benchmark whether it is diseased or not.

The bad news is I am to the point I am not sure I care.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (TE35l)

234 The other way you win is to split the Dem Coalition. Get them fighting each other, support spoiler parties that want to take the whole pie as opposed to a piece of it. Funnel money to radical left groups for whom sharing the loot is an insult to their heritage/gender/sexuality. Get them to take larger chunks of the vote, and support this who hate the other factions as much as they hate us. In short, do what Rome did against the Barbarians who outnumbered them: play them off against each other.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (gvWL9)

235 There is little practical reason for white Americans to vote Democrat. Posted by: CJ at April 01, 2014 04:02 PM (9KqcB) Sure there is. Unions, Government employees (but I repeat myself) Bubble headed Actors, Lawyers, and welfare recipients. Plenty of white people voting Democrat.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (bb5+k)

236 229 You rethugiKKKants need a catchy phrase "A burrito in every pot" That should do it Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 04:12 PM (z5U4s And the Chicago Bears become the Chicago Soccer Ball Kicking Midgets of the Midway, awesome, fucking awesome.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (HVff2)

237 Off topic (Sorry Ace), check out "Sizzling Bacon" over at Netflix. It's an original production.

Posted by: SGT. York at April 01, 2014 12:14 PM (41iOe)

238 @228 You got that right! For some, Spanish is their 2nd language. Ingles? No se.

Posted by: F**k that s**t at April 01, 2014 12:15 PM (1/4XQ)

239 We just need another big Socialist Ugly like Nazi Germany and the USSR to tilt back to freedom.

Posted by: This at April 01, 2014 12:15 PM (Sn5UN)

240 The Mexican govt has exported their race problem. The Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande don't look like the Mexicans in the rich suburbs of Mexico City. It's Mexico's dirty little secret. It's run by people as white as white gets.

Posted by: eleven at April 01, 2014 12:15 PM (VhqUZ)

241 I still say some type of fraud occurred in Florida or the Florida voters are really pyschotic. They relatively just elected a Tea Party supported Senator and a Republican Governor before the Presidential election and then they by a significant margin voted for Obama? It just doesn't add up even if you account for a bigger minority turnout for the Presidential election.

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:15 PM (m2CN7)

242 Vicente Fox, former Mex prez, was a 6'5 German-Irish-Spaniard. His grandpa was born in Ohio.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

243 234 "The Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande don't look like the Mexicans in the rich suburbs of Mexico City" Ever watch Telemundo? That's what rich suburbians look like in MXC. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 01, 2014 04:14 PM (gOoFi) White?

Posted by: EC at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (doBIb)

244 >>Which is why the GOP needs to become more populist and stop kowtowing to groups like the Chamber of Commerce.<<

I pulled every possible cent I could from the CoC and local affiliated groups. If there answer to staying in business is to destroy my wealth, our country, culture and social fabric, they need to find another stooge to fund their stupidity. I no longer support anything their members sell or do.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (GGCsk)

245 I suspect better education would be a start. Do hispanics in TX swing more conservative than others? Someone threw up an interesting chart not long ago showing the graduation rates of hispanics, I think, in different states, sound familiar? The kids in TX graduated circles around those in CA, CHI, NY, etc. So I suspect that until we rescue kids from a path of public school union protected purgatory, and let them truly learn, they will not know any other way but liberalism. And Common Core is just another nail in that education coffin.

Posted by: LizLem at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (BF+2f)

246 But not to worry. John Boehner has purchased a sombrero. Once he puts that puppy on the senioritas will be lining up to vote GOP.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (gvWL9)

247 Also Romney's Florida polling had him comfortably leading.

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (m2CN7)

248 What conservative has run for presidential office after Reagan? It is not a demographic it is a commitment to core beliefs, making those beliefs into policy, and making the policy into a better life for all. I think the dems are damn wrong, but no one doubts they believe in the crap they spout. Republicans...they are not committed to anything.

Posted by: Mekan at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (zG16+)

249 121 HOLY SWEET FUCK. Yes!! Christ you can cut the doom and gloom around here with a knife

Posted by: NativeNH at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (CnVjs)

250 There are those in the consultantocracy, the Rove and Norquist types, who constantly tell us that Hispanics are "natural conservatives because of their strong family values". Joined by comfortable country club pundits such as George Will.

All of these people need to sit down and drink a big hot steaming mug of shut the fuck up, and then they need to read this piece by Heather MacDonald, which decisively puts paid to their thesis.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_4_hispanic_family_values.html

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:16 PM (noWW6)

251 Because when we do go off, there will be a body count. Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 04:03 PM (lUXJH) And this is what i'm thinking. This current supine behavior will not last forever. The real power lies with conservatives. In a war between conservatives and Liberals, the liberals will be dead meat.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (bb5+k)

252 238. And the Chicago Bears become the Chicago Soccer Ball Kicking Midgets of the Midway We have the Chicago fire and they are awesome

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (z5U4s)

253 Plenty of white people voting Democrat.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 01, 2014 04:14 PM (bb5+k)

In California it's the greens. So many white enviro lefties here. The only reason Prop 8 passed in California was because of minorities. Even though many are Socons, that's not their main reason to vote.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (WdbF7)

254 Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 04:14 PM (TE35l) You may not care, Sven, but people around you do "To the world you may be one person but to one person you may be the world." Take care of yourself. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (XyM/Y)

255 223 I have a friend with extended family in Mexico. They live in the Southwest and their entire State is run by the Zetas Cartel. The Governor comes around and kisses babies, opens schools and picks up bribes and orders from the cartel. Cartel enforcers openly appear alongside the Governor's bodyguards. As far as his professed ideology, he would be considered a RINO Republican here in the States. He is hated with a passion by the general population. Just my $0.02. Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 04:12 PM (Yewno) The cartels are predators. They make predation "cool." They need to be put down like rabid animals. They're a sickness on the continent.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (x3YFz)

256 236 Bevel Lemelisk at April 01, 2014 04:14 PM (gvWL9)

Si it is why I plan on going Plan Si and backing La Raza candidates on the donkey ticket after we own goal the should be donkey slaughter this fall.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (TE35l)

257 Don't buy it. They'll start aborting themselves away.

Posted by: Edwin H. Anger IV at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (ihRMJ)

258 Texas. Exit polls skip Texas, missing key demographic data [...]Although there was a clear budgetary rationale for omitting Texas from exit polling, it is a far more serious omission. Texas has one of the nation's Hispanic populations. It is one of the few states where Republicans have had some success in courting Hispanics, winning as much as 49 percent of their votes in 2004. Have all of those efforts fallen apart in the Obama era? Were Texas Hispanics as sour on Mitt Romney this time as Hispanics in other states? Did they swing further in Obama's direction, as they did in Colorado, or a bit away from him, as they did in Nevada and California? The Washington Examiner

Posted by: tasker at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (RJMhd)

259

LIB

and form a fresh Republic from the ashes

In the meantime, keep the illegals moving to the blue counties.

Posted by: GWB at April 01, 2014 12:17 PM (zFh/A)

260 The real worry is not Hispanics, a group the republicans have never done well with, but Asian Americans. Their share of the electorate is increasing faster than Hispanic origin AND Romney list them by a greater margin percentage wise than he did Hispanics. Hard work, sacrifice, education resonate within Asian American communities. Those are the 'natural conservatives' that the amnesty crowd purports Hispanics to be. Two things: if the Republican Party can get a majority of Asian Americans they cancel out the democrat hispanic edge and amnesty of Hispanics actually turns non Hispanic immigrant communities against the Republican Party. Unfortunately the republicans are so culturally ignorant of anything a lobbyist with a briefcase of cash doesn't tell them I have zero hope in the future. Hell I love living in Quito why shouldn't we turn Denver into a carbon copy huh?

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at April 01, 2014 12:18 PM (gkfSV)

261 "Mitt Romney attracted 59% of the white vote, but he lost the election due to losing so many minority votes." Um, no. Pretty to think so, but no. Byron York at the Washington Examiner covered this quite a while back: http://tinyurl.com/bqlm86y "What if Romney had been able to do something absolutely astonishing for a Republican and win 60 percent of the Hispanic vote? He would have lost by the same margin, 283 electoral votes to 255." "According to the Times' calculator, Romney would have had to win 73 percent of the Hispanic vote to prevail in 2012" Common wisdom, but not true according to the actual numbers.

Posted by: gekkobear at April 01, 2014 12:18 PM (2zHxV)

262 White people really need to flood the zone with lawsuits against Affirmative Action. It's insane that pure-blood Spaniard Conquistador-American who's family ran a slave-based sugar plantation in Cuba can come to America and get Affirmative Action cause they are an "oppressed" hispanic.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:18 PM (ZPrif)

263 " Do hispanics in TX swing more conservative than others? " Yes, by about 6 points or so based on the first result that google brought up.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 12:18 PM (hFL/3)

264 Christ you can cut the doom and gloom around here with a knife - I'm hoping for Kochtopia.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 12:19 PM (XUKZU)

265 If illegal aliens are not subject to our jurisdiction they cannot be prosecuted for any crime without the permission of their home government. No. Absolutely wrong. Though you're right in part- people were too scared/polite (even back then) just to say "Hey, all those slaves? They're citizens now, with all the privileges and duties attendant thereto. So f*ck you Southern Democrats." If you're here based only on your passport (say- a tourist) and your child happens to be born here, would you consider them an American citizen? Okay, with Anchor Baby tourism (< -- Really a thing) then perhaps, but not really. "Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant- a) not the Indians (who were separate nations) and b) not people who don't actually live here. As far as "not being able to try them for crimes" bull-crap. The 14th Amendment was never designed to be an Open Borders amendment- which your interpretation would specifically do. The sole purpose of the 14th Amendment was to convey citizenship and "equal protection" to former slaves and their children. It was not designed as a way to allow someone to become a citizen just because of geography.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 01, 2014 12:19 PM (PYAXX)

266 <<Cartel enforcers openly appear alongside the Governor's bodyguards.>>

The cartels are stain on society that should be eliminated with extreme prejudice and flamethrowers. Mostly flamethrowers.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:19 PM (GGCsk)

267 Moar jobs training!!! Well, training in Mexico. http://tinyurl.com/or3lqrs The Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) announced the approval of a $300 million loan to Mexico to continue supporting a program aimed at creating quality jobs, providing training, and increasing worker productivity. The program will benefit some 10 million people over a period of five years and result in about 4 million job placements. The specific goal of the program is to help people find better-paid employment with social security benefits by increasing the efficiency of job placement activities and linking job candidates with skills sought by employers. Through the National Employment System (SNE) and its program BECATE, the new operation will finance 800,000 scholarships for job skills training that will enable placement or continued employment. Support will also be provided for self-employed persons. Send money out to import workers. Pay our citizens enough with government benefits they can sit on their ass. What's the worst that could happen.

Posted by: RWC - hates April 1st. at April 01, 2014 12:19 PM (fWAjv)

268 When THAT doesn't work, ~~they'll~~ we'll start shooting them. How you doin'?

Posted by: Commander Cavil, on his throne of skulls at April 01, 2014 12:19 PM (naUcP)

269 So. It's 406 AD along the Rhine again, and Rand Paul says we have to get beyond ... ... everyone losing everything. The importation of millions of Socialists / Big Government types means that even they will not see that which they, or at least some of them, came for; Freedom, American Living Standards and The American Way of Life. How about, instead, we do not vote for Rand Paul, and at least try to hang on to what we have?

Posted by: Arbalest at April 01, 2014 12:19 PM (FlRtG)

270

Have fun storming the castle!

Think it will work?

It'll take a miracle!

Posted by: Miracle Max at April 01, 2014 12:20 PM (nbGZj)

271 Out in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl....

Posted by: Juan McCain's Greatesht Hitsh at April 01, 2014 12:20 PM (igKtt)

272 You have 3 options: 1 Suppress the minority vote through any means necessary. Obviously this is a horribly immoral idea and a non-starter. 2 Convince them. Ethnic pandering may be necessary but it worked for the Canadian Conservatives. For instance: 1/3 of all Republican candidates MUST be minorities. You might have to embrace (i.e. put a death grip on) Hispanics the same way Democrats embrace blacks through targetted goodies. 3 Get your asses in the pews and start cranking out babies at home. No one made conservatives embrace birth control and small families. The Amish and Hassidic and Mormons are growing at enormous rates.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 01, 2014 12:20 PM (LiHKo)

273

We shoot back.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 04:11 PM (lUXJH)

And that's the point where we can win. Not before.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 01, 2014 12:20 PM (fwARV)

274 The part "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" somehow just got completely ignored, along with the common sense that accompanied it. How in the hell can you be a citizen if your parents aren't citizens? Posted by: Nikita Kruschev at April 01, 2014 04:04 PM (0HooB) Been pounding on this note for going on six years. The only answer you will get from most is "PRECEDENT!!!!!!!"

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 01, 2014 12:20 PM (bb5+k)

275 Let.It.Burn.

Posted by: MtTB at April 01, 2014 12:20 PM (lQCe+)

276

Uncouple race from the equation and then you're dealing solely with ideas, and we have the better ideas: the primacy of individual freedom and smaller government, the dream of a truly merit-based society where who you are is determined by what you do. Longterm, the Republican Party, in its platform and in every public utterance of its leaders at every opportunity, should stress the need and desireability of a colorblind society, where ethnicity and skin color are, for purposes of government, irrelevant. To spread that message requires only that we draw upon Martin Luther King and other civil rights leaders, who placed enormous emphasis on content of character. That's the high road.

Short-term, ensure Republican people of color--Black, Hispanic, Asian--are well-represented in every local, state and national level office as is practicable. You don't like that idea? Okay, then tell me how else the GOP can dispel the notion that the Republican Party in general and conservativism in particular are solely white enclaves. We need a thousand Mia Loves, stat.

We don't need a miracle. We just need smart, savvy leadership with vision.

Okay, so maybe we need a miracle.

Posted by: troyriser at April 01, 2014 12:21 PM (O66NZ)

277 I'm hoping for Kochtopia. Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 04:19 PM I'll settle for Vagnado.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 01, 2014 12:21 PM (igKtt)

278 The family of the average Mex-American has only been in America for 1-2 generations. That means for the entire time their family have been in America, Affirmative Action and minority set-asides have been the law of the land. Not only were they and their parents not discriminated against by the government of America, but they and their family were beneficiaries of govt discrimination designed to help them and hurt white people.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

279 256 FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2014 04:17 PM (XyM/Y)

I'm in the unenviable position of possibly being worth more dead than alive to the family.

I am insured like I am earning at my peak, and Ogabe and Donkey have wrecked the economy to the point I may never earn peak again.

What Ace is DOOMing on is from my POV why the GOP coalition lost.

FiCon uber alles lost the culture war and the Whites forgot to breed somewhere along the way.

I am a FiCon I also accept we were in a culture war that too many on our own side were apathetic about and ignored flagrant Donkey law breaking on Amigo Grande!

I'll get to see liberty made a joke if I make my full span, I'm not sure I want to.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:21 PM (TE35l)

280 Here's a weird idea How about the rethugs go out and actually ASK the Hispanics what their beliefs are? Instead of worrying about liberal interest groups deciding for all of us Yep....I'm half Mexican And you are all racist

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 12:21 PM (z5U4s)

281 Perry hails from a large state with a sizable Hispanic population. Exit polls show that he won 38 percent of the Hispanic vote in Texas, a solid showing, in his race for governor in 2010. National Journal ***** Pretty sure Perry Peddles "small government" --big time.

Posted by: tasker at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (RJMhd)

282 Oh and one more thing. The solution to increasing republican share of the Hispanic vote is ruthlessly exploiting the cultural animosities and differences between Hispanics if Mexican origin and non Mexican origin. Ask a Chilean or Brazilian how they like being called Mexicans. This Peruvian sure as hell doesn't. They will never win a majority of Mexican American votes but they can sure win a majority of non Mexican American votes.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (gkfSV)

283 >>Those of us who oppose socialism will just have to take our Big Victory in the finding that while first generation Hispanic immigrants support socialism by 82-12, by the third generation of American citizenship, we can reduce that lopsided margin all the way down to 58-36. <<

That's a terrible rate of attrition and unless something drastic happens, this whole thing will be over before it actually turns around.

Posted by: Marcus T at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (GGCsk)

284 The #1 threat to the security of the American people isn't in a goathumper shooting a rusty mag in an AK at a camp in pakistan. It's in Juarez, Sinaloa, Monterrey. Until that's fixed, the problem will continue to get worse.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (x3YFz)

285 Hurry up, SMOD!

Posted by: Citizen X at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (7ObY1)

286 You want Kochtopia. You'll settle for Vagnado. You'll get Buttholia.

Posted by: eleven at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (VhqUZ)

287 33 Pandering is bullshit, don't even bother with it. Run on principle, stand on principle-win or lose. -- Word.

Posted by: votermom at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (GSIDW)

288 So. It's 406 AD along the Rhine again, Charles Martel, call your office...

Posted by: Commander Cavil, on his throne of skulls at April 01, 2014 12:22 PM (naUcP)

289 265 " Do hispanics in TX swing more conservative than others? " Yes, by about 6 points or so based on the first result that google brought up. Posted by: Lauren +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ So let's look at why that is. They see that it works, it means jobs, food on the table, a nice truck in the driveway, and a sense of pride and self-worth.

Posted by: Countrysquire at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (LSJmV)

290 Here's the thing; you attract people to your movement, party, whatever, by stating in bold colors clearly and resolutely what you believe in and what you stand for. And concomitantly you take down the utter failure of Democratic Socialism as boldly and forcefully as you trumpet your own position. This is how you win elections and more importantly shape a society and a culture. Worked for Ronald Reagan and massively. By the same token, every other GOP candidate since has done the exact opposite and we have lost. GWB's lousy performances notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (CMkNk)

291 It's a strange dichotomy. The Hispanic population I see day-to-day are hard working (most extremely hard working) and committed to their jobs. I don't know what percentage is legal versus "legal", but they aren't layabouts. As to the intent to siphon resources, there's no doubt many are funneled to public assistance particularly the ones who are new to the country.

So, we have a demographic that, collectively, works hard but that has a seemingly high incidence of taxing government resources. Clearly there's a strong work ethic and a "conservative" drive, but it's conjoined with incentive to acquire public assistance.

Seems to me that the GOP could tap into the more conservative traits rather than try to outpander the Democrats (which is a war that cannot be won).

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (1CroS)

292 Have the Cubs been eliminated yet or are they holding on for another game or two?

Posted by: Reggie Love at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (Aif/5)

293 282 Here's a weird idea How about the rethugs go out and actually ASK the Hispanics what their beliefs are? Instead of worrying about liberal interest groups deciding for all of us Yep....I'm half Mexican And you are all racist Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 04:21 PM (z5U4s) Looks like socialism and bennies according to that chart up there.

Posted by: EC at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (doBIb)

294 I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist.

Let me tell you about the escape pod I'm building in the garage.

Posted by: Phinn at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (i5GO4)

295 Naes1984 Or, even better marry a conservative Hispanic spouse and have lots of babies with them. This is actually a huge reason why Texas isn't a lost cause. I don't know anyone in Texas who doesn't have have a Hispanic Sister in Law or Wife or Uncle or whatever. Intermarriage is huge. And, small subset, but all of my friends with Hispanic spouses are conservative. And they have lots of kids.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (hFL/3)

296 B... I mean M...itch McConnell and Weepy Boner just emailed to tell me about the catchy new slogan they just thought up to attract more Hispanic voters.

"Republicans; we love taco benders." Woot!

Posted by: No Fool at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (9u2hL)

297 Out in the West Texas town of El Paso I fell in love with a Mexican girl.... Posted by: Juan McCain's Greatesht Hitsh at April 01, 2014 04:20 PM (igKtt) Including the number one hit, Tequila!

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (XUKZU)

298 282 Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 04:21 PM (z5U4s)

1/2 Mexican and all Jackass Donkey voter Mi Amigo...

I am sincerely in awe of a member of a party with Eric "My People" Holder, Bronko "Typical Whiter Person" Obama, and La Raza calling anyone "racist."

Mexopolis won't let Detroit mass emigrate to fill the Mequila jobs ese, and it sorta sickens me that every culture on this planet gets to protect its culture but Anglo-Saxon ones.

Go hug a rainbow.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (TE35l)

299 282 Here's a weird idea How about the rethugs go out and actually ASK the Hispanics what their beliefs are? Instead of worrying about liberal interest groups deciding for all of us Yep....I'm half Mexican And you are all racist Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 04:21 PM (z5U4s) ************ Exactly. Also I think Pew funding gets interesting like a heart attack.

Posted by: tasker at April 01, 2014 12:23 PM (RJMhd)

300

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 04:04 PM (ZPrif)

You don't have a #3?

Posted by: CJ at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (9KqcB)

301

Mekan: THIS TIMES 10000!

No conservative has ever run for office since Reagan. GWB paid lipservice, but before 9/11 his main goal was jerking of Ted Fucking Kennedy...

Posted by: prescient11 at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (tVTLU)

302 Hey, where's the thread on dear Leaders victory lap?

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (9+ccr)

303 "Meanwhile, the Chamber of Commerce crowd and Washington Republicans will continue to push for unlimited illegal immigration so their cronies can line their pockets with the profits they maximized off all that cheap labor. I really don't understand why anybody thinks the business community is on our side."

An existential moment is at hand where the Republican Party must decide once and for all whether it sides with Wall Street over Main Street. (As torque goes to sit and mutter in a dark back corner over cheap whiskey.)

See also why it was an incredibly boneheaded thing for the GOP to nominate a career Wall Street operator, even a clean and honest one, to head the national ticket in 2012.

The very last Republican presidential nominee to actually consistently voice an economically populist theme that the working class could get behind was Ronald flipping Reagan. Who consistently held up those workers as heroes and praised their central role.

Since then we've had Romneys and Bushes and McCains who are insulated by their family fortunes from the hard realities of economic life for the working class.

Anyone else remember Bush senior seeing a supermarket checkout counter laser scanner for the first time, and marveling aloud at this amazing new technology? When everyone else in America who actually works for a living and does their own shopping had long since come across the "amazing new technology" in question. Facepalm.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (noWW6)

304 Rhine-o.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (ZshNr)

305 Oh, another thing people ignore -- Obama has massively boosted immigration from Africa. That's where the next huge wave is coming from. And 2nd and 3rd generation black Africans become even more reliable Democrat voters as they become generic "black" and not Nigeria, Ghanaian, Somali, etc, etc. At least with hispanics we gain ground from 1st to 2nd to 3rd. With black African immigrants we lose ground.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (ZPrif)

306 295 EC at April 01, 2014 04:23 PM (doBIb)

There's a reason NCJ is a (-d)

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (TE35l)

307 "Republicans; we love taco benders." Woot! - "You can blow my leaves anytime."

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 12:24 PM (XUKZU)

308 Republicans KNOW they can't win Hispanics as currently configured. The plan is to rid the party of Conservatives so they CAN win later on. They figure there is no way to stop the onslaught of illegals so they will be joining the other side.

The result will be similar to what exists in the UK. 2 big government parties who will argue over who runs the bureaucratic state better. Our last shot will be the aftermath of the fiscal collapse of the federal government. Common sense MIGHT take hold at that time. Until then we are all wasting our time with partisan politics. There will be no major budgetary reforms until then.

Posted by: Chris Vaughn at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (h+2SD)

309

I'm hoping for Kochtopia.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 01, 2014 04:19 PM

I'll settle for Vagnado.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 01, 2014 04:21 PM (igKtt)

And you'll get Asspoundia.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (fwARV)

310 The Left controls most of the important cities in the South, too. And almost all the fast-growing ones. The capitals and college towns. Raleigh, Atlanta, Houston, Austin, etc, etc.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 04:09 PM (ZPrif)

-----------------------------------------

Secession would be even easier. Rural America needs to seperate from the metroplexes. Wouldn't even have to re-draw state lines. Just draw the circles around the cities. Let them fend for themselves under their precious socialist paradise. Let them answer to DC.

Posted by: Soona at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (MzhHs)

311 Yep....I'm half Mexican And you are all racist Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 04:21 PM (z5U4s) I'm half Italian, but being half mexican and all navy yer definitely fucked (LOL)

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (x3YFz)

312 One other thing, the "Hispanics will control everything in X years" mantra is a bit overblown and is really more about the media getting Republicans to cave and and pander to that group.

There was a great analysis of the exit vote in 2012 by Sean Trende, and it basically found that if Romney had won something like 80% of the Hispanic vote, he still would have lost.

Most of the Hispanic vote is located in states that aren't really in play like california and texas, not true swing states.

I'm not saying it's something we can ignore, but if Republicans had won like 2% more of white women, it would basically be the equivalent of handily winning the hispanic vote.

Posted by: McAdams at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (ceSyD)

313

Yep....I'm half Mexican

Hey, thatÂ’s great, champ.

You say Hispanics lie to pollsters? Shame on you.

Posted by: CJ at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (9KqcB)

314 "36 What "Hispanic" country is not a socialist/basket case at the moment?" USA, but give it a couple of years.

Posted by: Decaf at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (JB+e7)

315 Support unfettered immigration from Chile. They are the most right-wing, free market Hispanic country... and oddly the wealthiest Latin American country per capita. Not sure they would want to leave their country at this point and live in this sinking ship.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 01, 2014 12:25 PM (LiHKo)

316
Tax revolt is the only thing that can eventually be done. Do your best to not be the one paying for all these supposed govt services.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 01, 2014 12:26 PM (0Kobm)

317

Ronald Reagan presided over a unprecedented economic recovery but we still lost seats in both Houses during his terms.

As Churchill previously stated, " The best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter"

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:26 PM (m2CN7)

318 Republicans are running scared. Literally. Is there any issue that the R's aren't afraid of?

Posted by: soothsayer at April 01, 2014 12:26 PM (3BvsE)

319 Ok, last thing. I live in a middle class Hispanic neighborhood. Seriously, guys, our gas station has a taqueria in it. Our district voted for McCain and Romney, but we have a jackass lib for a state senator because he's Hispanic and no Republicans even ran. So, an obvious step would be for Republicans to run a candidate. Duh.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 12:26 PM (hFL/3)

320 A lot of doom and gloom doesn't take into account future voting trends. Who knows what the impact of inter-marriage between whites and hispanics and asians and whites will be? And if the hispanics start being overt in "taking" over the country, a lot of whites who currently vote Dem might reconsider voting Dem themselves. Same with blacks--it's not out of the realm of possibility that they start voting GOP at some point if they feel beseiged by the hispanics. I know that seems impossible now, but who knows? Maybe they'll be a big World War III that will bring us together--wars do have a tendency to assimilate newcomers and minorities right quickWe have to fight amnesty in all it's guises, but who knows for sure what future trends will hold--but I don't want to be depressed....

Posted by: Satchel Paige at April 01, 2014 12:27 PM (xoEeV)

321 I'm in the unenviable position of possibly being worth more dead than alive to the family. Sven, this is serious talk and sounds to me like clinical depression. Having some heart issues myself I know that it can lead to some depression. NO, Sven you are not worth more to your family dead than alive. No! No! No! If you are contemplating any thoughts of taking your life go get some medical help right away. I'm serious. I've had to deal with the after effects of too much mental illness in families including suicide. It'd devastating for survivors.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2014 12:27 PM (XyM/Y)

322 300. Go hug a rainbow I'll be damned if there isn't one to my left Do I get skittles or gold? The commercials confuse me

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 12:27 PM (z5U4s)

323

Polynikes:

I think we gained the Senate during Reagan's terms.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 01, 2014 12:27 PM (tVTLU)

324 Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 01, 2014 04:24 PM (9+ccr) The White House ‏@WhiteHouse 2m Obama: "Because of this law, millions of our fellow citizens know the economic security of health insurance." #7MillionAndCounting

Posted by: RWC - hates April 1st. at April 01, 2014 12:27 PM (fWAjv)

325 Asians (mostly Chinese) and Hispanics (mostly Mexicans) will not get along. Too many differences culturally, educationally, and economically. The key is for the GOP to reach out to Asians, and promote legal Asian immigration, mostly from China. That should create enough conflict in the Democrat party, mostly in California, to break it up leaving some group, probably Asians, as a GOP majority based on nothing else than self-preservation and self-interests.

Posted by: William Eaton at April 01, 2014 12:28 PM (rLRIj)

326 We are gonna be like Malaysia. Malaysia is majority Malay, but the Malay still get Affirmative Action -- cause otherwise the Chinese minority would get everything. Fun thing, America is finally getting our first market-dominant minority with east asians. That will be the distinguishing difference between us and Brazil -- nukes and an asian uber-class.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:28 PM (ZPrif)

327 Hello??

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 01, 2014 12:28 PM (3VwrO)

328 Hahahahahahahah.... I AM UNBANNED!! Woot!

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 01, 2014 12:28 PM (3VwrO)

329 The 14th stomped that flat. Born here, born a full citizen. No ifs, ands, or buts. Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 01, 2014 04:11 PM (5xmd7) You need to read the Debates on the 14th amendment. The principle Author, John Bingham, makes it quite clear that he had no intentions of granting citizenship to the children of non-citizen Aliens. He explicitly says so.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 01, 2014 12:28 PM (bb5+k)

330 The only reason hispanics vote a little more R in Texas is because it's a border state with a lot of relatives living in Mexico and both Bush and Perry don't do anything about illegals regardless of what they say, and Perry just barely gives any lip service to enforcing the law, Bush was just flat out pro-illegal. First R that wants to enforce the border will send hispanics running to the d's.

Posted by: booger at April 01, 2014 12:28 PM (xRDdL)

331 Nood up!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 01, 2014 12:29 PM (lUXJH)

332 313. I lol'd But being half wop means you're not half bad at least

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 01, 2014 12:29 PM (z5U4s)

333 I hope golf will be still allowed. Anyway, maybe a new state will arise, like a rightward moving Canada, or a broken European state that we can just buy. Capitalism may shrink but it will never die. And technology will follow us.

Posted by: redenzo at April 01, 2014 12:29 PM (WCnJW)

334 "The other way you win is to split the Dem Coalition. Get them fighting each other"

The percentage of the black population who have cushy government jobs is far larger than the percentage of the Hispanic population who have cushy government jobs. Despite the Hispanic population being more than three times as large as the black population.

And the friction is getting open and ugly in places.

In L.A., local Hispanic activists pointed out how vividly black the local post office employee rolls are, and said pretty bluntly, "Hola amigos! Some of you are going to have to get fired to make room for more of us!"

This went over with the AfAm postal workers about as well as you would expect.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:29 PM (noWW6)

335

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 04:24 PM (noWW6)

Are you serious with your last paragraph or being sarcastic? If serious, you got duped.

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:29 PM (m2CN7)

336 When the majority of Hispanics voted for TFG it was over with getting them to be anything but dems for life. Even the ones who attend mass regularly with their families now have a Pope who IMO embraces liberation theology and that is that ... It's just a matter of time. This country is fucked .. Not saying I won't resist until the end but I am old and won't be around long. Seriously would not want to be young person with kids now.

Posted by: Johnwas at April 01, 2014 12:29 PM (f/SAJ)

337 i have an idea...lets just run a real conservative so that we get all the republican voters to the polls this time instead of running a rino that some republicans wont (and didnt in 2008 and 2014) vote for

Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 12:30 PM (pk/NG)

338 323 FenelonSpoke at April 01, 2014 04:27 PM (XyM/Y)

Fenlon I am not talking about a self-adminsitered 9mm pain relief protocol.

The world pisses me off, my hyper-tension is likely stress related...my mind and heart are a bomb.

I used to worry about my health, now I am not as worried.

If the future belongs to Dede Genital in this fine Republic I need to either move, or just mark time 'til I die.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:30 PM (TE35l)

339 Getting rid of the "hispanic" category would help. Most hispanics would become generic "white" over generations. That's what happened in the past. But the Left, with a huge assist from Nixon, cock-blocked the melting pot.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:30 PM (ZPrif)

340 "FiCon uber alles lost the culture war and the Whites forgot to breed somewhere along the way."

See, I'm not sure if it's a race thing as much as it is a class thing. I don't think white liberals are breeding anymore. Every birthrate falls off a few generations after coming to the U.S., even hispanics. I also wonder how many people view themselves as hispanic or asian just because one of their parents or grandparents is, let's call it the Liz Warren Effect. I have many white friends who have asian or hispanic spouses with kids. Now are their kids white or not? I think the future of the U.S. racial make up will be hugely mixed.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2014 12:30 PM (WdbF7)

341 Quote: "Five words: Independent Republic of Greater Texas".

A quick online check of the population breakdown of Texas by ethnicity shows "37.6 percent of the population Hispanic or Latino (of any race)".

Not seeing the solution to the Hispanic problem there.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at April 01, 2014 12:30 PM (Am4vM)

342 There is still a little time left. Simply put, the Republicans need to run full-tilt on a nationalist agenda. That will energize the white working class and swing elections to the Repubs for about 10-12 years. During that time, they have to stop immigration, start deporting people left and right, and pound into those still here that it is assimilation or go home. Move like a buzzsaw through the education establishment. Cut-off every leftist group funded by the government. The Left will shriek but if the Republicans can sustain it for a decade, they can make headway. The thing is, the immigrants who stay will start to follow the lead of the winning party.

Posted by: Chris at April 01, 2014 12:31 PM (crkWb)

343 Perry hails from a large state with a sizable Hispanic population. Exit polls show that he won 38 percent of the Hispanic vote in Texas, a solid showing, in his race for governor in 2010. National Journal

Texas has a shit-load more 3rd+ generation Hispanics than other states

Posted by: phreshone at April 01, 2014 12:31 PM (kFxpe)

344 Sven, this is serious talk and sounds to me like clinical depression. If only for the missus, Sven, get the help.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 01, 2014 12:31 PM (naUcP)

345 I can't believe the myth is still out there that Romney lost because people stayed home. He lost because he lost 70% of non-White voters. And you can't win an election when you lose 70% of 30% of the population. This isn't rocket science people.

Romney got 1 million more votes than McCain by the way. But I still see people writing that Romney didn't even get all of McCain's votes.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 12:31 PM (0LHZx)

346 "The other way you win is to split the Dem Coalition. Get them fighting each other"

But, while the short term tactical merits of this are to be appreciated, the long term strategic consequences for the country are going to be horrible.

If we have an across the board pure ethnic spoils system in politics where everyone in the country starts doing what blacks do, voting monolithically for one party that gives them disproportionate perks, then we become Yugoslaviamerica real damn fast, and what happened to Yugoslavia will happen to us, also damn fast.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:32 PM (noWW6)

347 339:

We are Never going to let that happen. Muh-ha-ha-ha.

Posted by: Your betters at April 01, 2014 12:32 PM (9u2hL)

348 "328 We are gonna be like Malaysia. Malaysia is majority Malay, but the Malay still get Affirmative Action -- cause otherwise the Chinese minority would get everything. Fun thing, America is finally getting our first market-dominant minority with east asians. That will be the distinguishing difference between us and Brazil -- nukes and an asian uber-class." Diversity itself is not bad. You mention Malaysia. I'll point to Singapore as a free market beacon of order surrounded by an increasingly ugly Islamic nation. They key is to eliminate racial preferences and then the business of business erases a lot of petty differences. Unfortunately that looks like a job of the same court that called Obamacare a tax.

Posted by: Naes1984 at April 01, 2014 12:32 PM (LiHKo)

349 Importing people who vote socialist doesn't equal success? WHO THE FUCK KNEW!?

Posted by: Dan at April 01, 2014 12:32 PM (COpZ4)

350 The GOPe needs to recruit a Spanish speaking Rush Limbaugh or twenty...and they need to speak plainly about the issues to Hispanics. You came here to work hard and create a better future for yourself and your family....well, socialist government isn't a better future..socialist government is what you just escaped from in that shithole Mexico... Easy Peasy.... as Val Jarrett would say...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 01, 2014 12:32 PM (3VwrO)

351 The good news is I get my heart stress tested on the 7th to benchmark whether it is diseased or not. The bad news is I am to the point I am not sure I care. Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 04:14 PM (TE35l) All life is precious, yours included, fucker, and you do NOT have permission to quit. If you do, when we're both on the other side, I will kick your ass.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:32 PM (x3YFz)

352 I think we gained the Senate during Reagan's terms.

Posted by: prescient11 at April 01, 2014 04:27 PM (tVTLU)

Nope a net loss of 7 in the Senate. We gained one in first term and lost 8 in last term.

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:33 PM (m2CN7)

353 "Not seeing the solution to the Hispanic problem there. " Give Mexico back the Valley.

Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 12:33 PM (hFL/3)

354

Asian Americans will be voting conservative as the effects of racial preferences become more clear.

Go to them. And go appeal directly to Hispanics. Just by asking you might win 5% of the vote you would not previously. Beyond that, just taking the air out of the Racism Blimp will convince more to at least not go out of their way to vote AGAINST us.

Regardless, this issue is unfortunately more important than just about any other issue discussed here. On the current course, we either wonÂ’t be elected, or will have to jettison the values that make it matter whether weÂ’re elected.

Posted by: CJ at April 01, 2014 12:33 PM (9KqcB)

355 342 Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at April 01, 2014 04:30 PM (WdbF7)

My son was almost 1/2 Asian.

I could not give less a fuck, EXCEPT the Democrats are willfully turning the US Balkan to destroy the founding documents.

I didn't volunteer for this tribal ethnic shit the Democrats drafted me.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (TE35l)

356 and I will make you clean every latrine in heaven until you think pine oil is cologne.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (x3YFz)

357 186 The reality of NC defies beloved stereotypes so it is ignored. More evil Yankees moving in, all of a sudden the GOP controls the Legislature for the first time since automobiles were science fiction, must be a conspiracy.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 04:06 PM (ZshNr)

___________

Before Obama 2008, when was the last time NC voted for a Democrat? 1976. But yeah, all those Yankees have no effect on turning places blue. None whatsoever.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (0LHZx)

358 Well, we absorbed the German-Americans by fighting two wars with Germany and forcing them to pick a side. So maybe we should just start a war with Mexico. Worked with Hans, might work with Jose.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (ZPrif)

359 The only solution is to restrict immigration. Not just illegal immigration, although that must obviously be done. But also legal immigration. I don't mean reducing the number of legal immigrants, but rather in being selective in who those people are that we are allowing to join us. We should, for starters, be looking for people that embrace this country's way of life. Speak English, know the constitution, educated, capitalistic, etc.

Of course, anyone who proposes such a thing is raaaaacist.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (IN7k+)

360 Now, here's a demographic: Lesbian-Only Cemetery to Open in Germany Hahahahaha!

Posted by: Anti-Commie Pug at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (vFh9Q)

361 Asians vote more reliably Democrat than hispanics.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:34 PM (ZPrif)

362 Our strength lies in our diversity!

Somehow!

Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 01, 2014 12:35 PM (/AHDz)

363 348 torquewrench at April 01, 2014 04:32 PM (noWW6)

Quite Donkey got greedy and took the easy way out in 2008...

now it is simply devolving to its ugly conclusion and MATH will out.

*Yes* we are a "minority" soon but we are still the majority minority.

The US is finished.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:36 PM (TE35l)

364 Yes!! Christ you can cut the doom and gloom around here with a knife

Posted by: NativeNH at April 01, 2014 04:16 PM (CnVjs)

That's the norm for AoSHQ. If things are not perfect then everything is going to hell and woe is us. It makes me look like a cock-eyed optimist.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Stay Outraged, My Friends at the Outrage Outlet at April 01, 2014 12:36 PM (hLRSq)

365 355 "Not seeing the solution to the Hispanic problem there. " Give Mexico back the Valley. Posted by: Lauren at April 01, 2014 04:33 PM (hFL/3) work visas. fence. enforcement. foreign criminals are tossed into the ocean. You come here? Want to be a part of it? Cool. Shit, none of us are "from here." Welcome. Break the rules, we break you in half. Fixed.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:36 PM (x3YFz)

366 1980: reagan=conservative=elected 1984: reagan=conservative=elected 1992: hw bush=rino=defeated (i know...perot) 1996: dole=rino=defeated 2000: w bush="conservative"=elected 2004: w bush="conservative"=elected 2008: mccain=rino=defeated 2012: romney=rino=defeated

Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 12:37 PM (pk/NG)

367 The Governor and Assembly are Republican for the first time since whenever, are all these evil Liberals splitting the ticket? So they're only half-evil?

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 01, 2014 12:37 PM (ZshNr)

368 Up at 103 a really important point was made.

One of the reasons for this 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation situation is that all of the Spanish language media is full bore socialist.

I would like to see Heritage, et. al. reaching out in Spanish to make the case for conservative thought, before giving up on Hispanics.

Hell, I don't know if Locke or Hayek is available in Spanish or not.

Like it or not, the core of conservative philosophy is written and taught in English.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at April 01, 2014 12:37 PM (X8sZu)

369 I don't know anyone in Texas who doesn't have have a Hispanic Sister in Law or Wife or Uncle or whatever. Intermarriage is huge. And, small subset, but all of my friends with Hispanic spouses are conservative. And they have lots of kids. Posted by: Lauren Me too. When I was a kid Ike deported "wetbacks" and the long time TexMex families were proud that they were Texans and Americans and happy to see them go. As recently as 10 years ago random Hispanics I met socially in Austin (The San Francisco of Texas) were probably 50% intermarried with Anglos and conservative. The demographic change is because the border is more open than it has ever been since the 1800s and a flood of Mexicans and Central Americans are living in the USA bringing their own culture and pandered to by both parties; offered things Americans are not. Open the Canadian border and lets see what happens in the Liberal NE.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 12:37 PM (pz3Vz)

370 364 Our strength lies in our diversity! Somehow! Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at April 01, 2014 04:35 PM (/AHDz) It actually does.

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:38 PM (x3YFz)

371 Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 04:37 PM (pk/NG)

_________

Had the demographics of 2012 looked like 1980 Romney would have won more electoral votes than Reagan.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 01, 2014 12:38 PM (0LHZx)

372

Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 04:37 PM (pk/NG)

you left out

1988- GHW Bush = rino = elected

but that would have ruined your point.

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:39 PM (m2CN7)

373 Diversity actually is a source of weakness for most countries historically. It's also the cause of many, if not most, of the worst wars. The nation-state was the solution to Diversity. And it took a millenia of blood to achieve that peace.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

374 372 tangonine at April 01, 2014 04:38 PM (x3YFz)

Only if we are bound as a "tribe" by the document Mi Amigo....

that ship has sailed.

You can be suspended for wearing an American flag in Mexifornia but not a Mexican one.

The solution to this defacto invasion is insurgency but not enough people are willing to call what the left is doing by its name.

"Occupy America"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:40 PM (TE35l)

375 363, that's because they've come to realize that with their hard work and education, they will be at the top of the food chain in the LiberalDemocratWonderland they wager the U.S. will soon become...they will hold the levers of power in that scenario sort of like the Jooos do now...Remember Podhoretz quip about Jews "earning like Episcopalians and voting like Puert-Ricans? Substitute "Asian" for "Jew".

Posted by: JoeyBagels at April 01, 2014 12:40 PM (xoEeV)

376 370 Dave in Fla at April 01, 2014 04:37 PM (X8sZu)

The GOP and the professional Lobby class has decided its easier to tell the descendants of the founders "go fuck yourself" in Spanglish.

Sad but true.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 12:41 PM (TE35l)

377 wow. go figure that since hispanics love them some socialism, that: 1. South of the border is a socialiist shit pit. 2. They elect dear leaders for life. Of course, to the democrats, 1 and 2 are features, not bugs. 3. How about this? Stop importing millions of them a year? No one, not even Hispanics (well,except for LaRaza, whose views are rather exotic on this issue) want that much immigration.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:41 PM (+JbYP)

378 dukakis beat himself in 1988 dude...chuck schumer could have run as a republican and won it that year...

Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 12:42 PM (pk/NG)

379 Machiavelli is all you need to read and all you need to know. Break your political enemies, starve their constituencies, hollow out their institutions, and use force as needed.
Christie and Paul both seem to have Machiavellian tendencies which moves them up a notch in my book. .

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 01, 2014 12:42 PM (Ec6wH)

380 Linguistic diversity is the most destructive. Then religious. Then ethnic. America managed a fairly unique feat in crafting a generic "white" ethnic group for all the warring euros to meld into. It did that at the expense of black people.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)

381 This is fucking insane that the GOP is so in love with amnesty. It's unpopular and it's political suicide.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:42 PM (+JbYP)

382 When the money runs out as it inevitably will no matter what miracle oil fields or tech gadgets are invented, all bets are off. You can't get much more socialist than the French, and they just voted in a shitload of right wingers Who knows, other than what happens won't be pretty

Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2014 12:42 PM (aTXUx)

383 thats why i didnt include it because it was extranaeous info

Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 12:43 PM (pk/NG)

384 Hey, thanks for the free tuition!

Posted by: Conquistador-American at April 01, 2014 12:43 PM (ZPrif)

385 I can't believe the myth is still out there that Romney lost because people stayed home. He lost because he lost 70% of non-White voters. And you can't win an election when you lose 70% of 30% of the population. This isn't rocket science people.

Romney got 1 million more votes than McCain by the way. But I still see people writing that Romney didn't even get all of McCain's votes.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo

But he got way fewer REPUBLICAN voters than Bush did in 2004.
Bush lost the independent vote in 2004 narrowly, but made up for it with a big Republican turnout.

Romney WON independent voters by double digits. The missing key was Republican turnout. Had we had the Republican 2004 turnout, it would have been a Romney landslide and Obama and Michelle would be getting a divorce right now.

The Democrats had a much better machine in 2012. Say what you will about Rove, but he was able to get our voters to the polls.

The demographics change between now and 2004 does not account for who's in the White House, you're talking fractions of a percent in the swing states.

I can't predict what America will look like decades from now, but we have the numbers now to win back the country.

Posted by: McAdams at April 01, 2014 12:44 PM (ceSyD)

386 America has been so racist against hispanics for so long!

Posted by: Desi Arnaz at April 01, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

387 I blame Bill Dana.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 12:45 PM (1RcJ8)

388 as someome who was cognizant before Clinton, today's America is unrecognizable. They've permanently changed the country and the dickless GOP was too busy fighting stupid foreign wars to notice that we're importing wayyyyy too many commies and muzzies. The problem with open borders nutjobs is that they don't realize: a. there are more of them than there are of us. b. it's ok that we are us and they are them c. the GOP and most of the old-school DNC were what made this country great. By demographically eliminating that, well, duh, socialist shit hole.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:45 PM (+JbYP)

389 America hates Mexicans! Imagine how horrible it was to be Mex-American in the 1950s!

Posted by: Lee Trevino at April 01, 2014 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

390 "2000: w bush='conservative'=elected"
"2004: w bush='conservative'=elected"

Uh, Dubya a "conservative"? Fat fucking chance of that.

He was a congenitally weak-kneed Bush family RINO.

Who had to have the Supreme Court give him a solid shove in the butt across the finish line in 2000 because his margin was so vanishingly razor slim. One Justice on the other side of that decision and we would have had President Algor.

Bush then in his re-election bid came within 50K votes in Ohio, which is not a lot, of losing to Kerry.

This is not anything to be emulating.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:45 PM (noWW6)

391 388 America has been so racist against hispanics for so long! Posted by: Desi Arnaz *** I know, right? white guilt open borders nutters don't seem to understand that 1000 of anyone is ok. 10 million of anyone is a problem, regarless of race creed or skin color. There were only so many people in USA pre-open borders revolution.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:46 PM (+JbYP)

392 355 >"Not seeing the solution to the Hispanic problem there [in Texas]."

>>"Give Mexico back the Valley."

And they'll be satisfied with that? La Raza will just accept that solution and have no further grievances against white Anglo Texans?

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at April 01, 2014 12:46 PM (Am4vM)

393 The solution to this defacto invasion is insurgency but not enough people are willing to call what the left is doing by its name. "Occupy America" Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 04:40 PM (TE35l) I fly a flag. US and POW/MIA, varies on my mood. Currently a small one off the deck. 32 foot flagpole goes in this spring. Up at reveille, down at retreat. I'm going to place it where it can be seen for a good 1-2 miles. everyone gives me shit and laughs at me when I say it, but: "hold the line."

Posted by: tangonine at April 01, 2014 12:46 PM (x3YFz)

394 my old man (a lifetime democrat) had a good idea: take away their ability to own a home/rent an apartment, work, own/drive a car and they will self deport he says even give em a free ride back to mexico on a cruise ship with all the free tacos they can eat i totally agree

Posted by: sound awake at April 01, 2014 12:46 PM (pk/NG)

395 If you want to see where future immigrants are coming from -- just look at a map of fertility rates by country. And get ready for your neighbors from Mali, Somalia, Nigeria, and Burkina Faso.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:46 PM (ZPrif)

396 There's a saying with the folks in CA who want to control the borders.... "Nobody sneaks into Disneyland if they don't get to go on the rides" There have been many months in the last 6 years where there was net negative migration from Mexico being there was no work here for them If they get a welcoming handshake with the promise they don't have to work if they don't want to, then the amusement park goes broke before long

Posted by: kbdabear at April 01, 2014 12:46 PM (aTXUx)

397 Re: Why Romney Lost. Either we got our ass kicked, or people stayed home. If we got our ass kicked then demographic doom is here. Please refer to other multicultural socialist shit pits for hints on your best survival tactics.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:47 PM (+JbYP)

398 some Euros flee to Belize to escape the taxes and set up a business--then move on to the USA, immigrating here as 'Latin Americans' I know a Dutch family and some Swedes who did this; clever, they were _______________________ OR perhaps these (Dutch/Swede) families have exhibited awful timing by arriving just when EVERYTHING in the US starts turning to shit

Posted by: alwyr at April 01, 2014 12:48 PM (V0j3u)

399 "The missing key was Republican turnout. Had we had the Republican 2004 turnout, it would have been a Romney landslide"

Among the factors in the Romney loss:

Too many of the Reagan Democrats in the upper Midwest stayed home.

It's a manufacturing-heavy area. The Republicans ran a guy with a history of closing and offshoring factory jobs. Then the GOP brain trust were jaw-droppingly surprised when this wasn't greeted by acclamation in all quarters. Sheer genius there.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 12:48 PM (noWW6)

400 Seriously, though, the chain migration from the worst African shitholes has just started. And they tend to be Muslim and they get to jump to the front of the line for welfare handouts and Affirmative Action cause black.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 01, 2014 12:48 PM (ZPrif)

401 We can't win elections at the Presidential level without pandering to the Socialist population.

Posted by: Your GOP betters at April 01, 2014 12:48 PM (BdTJF)

402

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 04:45 PM (noWW6)

Now I understand. Your hatred for the Bush's allowed you to believe the myths reported by media to be duped by the scanner story.

Posted by: polynikes at April 01, 2014 12:48 PM (m2CN7)

403 Re: Why Romney Lost. I just hope it's a matter of your message can't be, the other guy's a good guy, he just made a tiny booboo. If we had as corrupt a pres as Obama, do you think the donkeys would be like, awww he's ok, he just make a mistake or two? yeah, that will really get the blue dogs and union guys to vote over the line.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:50 PM (+JbYP)

404 403 We can't win elections at the Presidential level without pandering to the Socialist population. Posted by: Your GOP betters **** not pandering to the socialists is only driving moderates from the GOP.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:51 PM (+JbYP)

405

I just want you to know, that there is no one more conservative than John Boner, as well as Paul Ryan. There aren't anybody more you can trust with conservatism than them, because, lookit, there is no one more conservative.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at April 01, 2014 12:51 PM (xggaJ)

406 284 Oh and one more thing. The solution to increasing republican share of the Hispanic vote is ruthlessly exploiting the cultural animosities and differences between Hispanics if Mexican origin and non Mexican origin. Ask a Chilean or Brazilian how they like being called Mexicans. This Peruvian sure as hell doesn't. They will never win a majority of Mexican American votes but they can sure win a majority of non Mexican American votes.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at April 01, 2014 04:22 PM (gkfSV)

THIS, though I don't know if I'd used the word exploit. If I remember correctly, the MSM/dems cautioned/threatened Mitt when he was musing VP candidates that Rubio would not help him with the hispanic vote, because he was Cuban, ie the WRONG kind of Latino. Who the crap determines that kind of stuff? But there is this idea out there that Mexican Americans are not inclined to vote for Cuban Americans. Multiply that by a bunch of Latin American countries.

Posted by: LizLem at April 01, 2014 12:53 PM (BF+2f)

407 1. We cannot win elections on the presidential level for many more years without significantly attracting more Hispanic voters.

2. Hispanics lean strongly progressive in all areas.

Well, ace, since the Republican Party "is" (or at least SHOULD BE) opposed to "progressive" big government programs, and Hispanics apparently loves them BIG GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS, exactly how are Republicans supposed to attract them? Unless you are suggesting that the 30% or so of 3rd-gen Hispanics are the ones we should be targeting? But wouldn't they tend to vote Republican anyway?

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at April 01, 2014 12:53 PM (wtvvX)

408 I suppose we need to hone McCain2008 and Romney 2012 messages that "gee, the democrat is a great guy but I do good stuff too" to get those third gen hispanics. Having wedges and messages really is so 1980.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:55 PM (+JbYP)

409 "Hispanic" in politics, is an artificial category created to make "Mexican" activism look twice as big as it really is. We even have white hispanics and non white hispanics (some of whom are black). It's nonsense and people of Panamanian or Cuban ancestry don't want to fall politically in line behind people of Mexican ancestry.

Posted by: Cackfinger at April 01, 2014 12:55 PM (BR5kP)

410 Among the factors in the Romney loss:

Too many of the Reagan Democrats in the upper Midwest stayed home.

It's a manufacturing-heavy area. The Republicans ran a guy with a history of closing and offshoring factory jobs. Then the GOP brain trust were jaw-droppingly surprised when this wasn't greeted by acclamation in all quarters. Sheer genius there.

Posted by: torquewrench

No doubt that hurt, but our numbers were down with registered Republicans, not moderate Democrats that often Republican at the Presidential level.

One big punch in the face we had to take was the auto bailouts. Romney obviously had to run against those bailouts, but it was a big deal in the swing states because it has heavy automotive-type manufacturing. It wasn't just GM and Chrysler employees, there's countless suppliers that would have also been potentially out of a job.

Posted by: McAdams at April 01, 2014 12:55 PM (ceSyD)

411 So we can't kick the criminal invaders out, and if we give them the vote they'll drag us into the cesspit they fled. I hope the oh-so-wise like Rand and the rest understand that if the law doesn't deal with the issue, there is a massive danger of the people doing so. I say me adopt Mexico's immigration laws. Mirror them, and when they squeal, ship back truckloads of their malcontents.

Posted by: Sick of It at April 01, 2014 12:55 PM (1iJ3a)

412 I'm dead set against appeasement just to gain votes. It's one thing to pitch your campaign to appeal to certain subsets of the population, but this is not multicultural, it's resigning yourself to a bicultural situation -- Hispanic and all the rest. I would not be averse to having whiskey available at the polls to bring in the Irish vote.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 01, 2014 12:56 PM (QBm1P)

413 the goofy thing about this is that real hispanics are of Spanish or Portuguese descent. They are quite conservative. Of course, we don't get those people because they're unloading the non-Euro natives on to us. FWIW.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 12:56 PM (+JbYP)

414 Amend the law to make illegal immigration a felony on the first attempt, then start convicting the shit out of people. That way they lose the right to vote, even if they eventually get citizenship. Also, get the Kochs to underwrite a campaign to win back all of the state Secretary of State offices. They run the elections and the right people could really crush the criminal vote.

Posted by: Haley's Buttery Biscuit at April 01, 2014 12:57 PM (wv4c5)

415 352
The GOPe needs to recruit a Spanish speaking Rush Limbaugh or twenty...and they need to speak plainly about the issues to Hispanics.

You came here to work hard and create a better future for yourself and your family....well, socialist government isn't a better future..socialist government is what you just escaped from in that shithole Mexico...

Easy Peasy.... as Val Jarrett would say...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 01, 2014 04:32 PM (3VwrO)

Crap, cannot remember his name but there is this great guy who fills in for Glenn Beck sometimes on his radio show. The guy is Latino and a hard core conservative. Don't know if the guy speaks Spanish but he's awesome. He is one of my fave talk radio subs, after Mark Steyn of course.

Posted by: LizLem at April 01, 2014 12:58 PM (BF+2f)

416 Now that Ted Kennedy's gone to his reward, can we skew immigration back to European?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 01, 2014 12:59 PM (QBm1P)

417 All this hand-wringing about 2012 is getting stale. Romney was a good man who would have made a good president. Should he have gone after Obama hard after the first debate? Of course. But Obama is a special case. He's a historical first and a lot of people couldn't bear to see him go yet--they wanted to hold on to his historical firstness for another four years---so they came out in droves (older blacks especially.) Romney couldn't counter THAT. Or Hurricane Sandy.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at April 01, 2014 01:02 PM (xoEeV)

418 "If I remember correctly, the MSM/dems cautioned/threatened Mitt when he was musing VP candidates that Rubio would not help him with the hispanic vote, because he was Cuban, ie the WRONG kind of Latino."

Not just the Democrats and their auxiliaries in the media who say that.

Consider that for political purposes, when we talk about the "Hispanic" vote, what we're really talking about is the Mexican vote. Because the "Hispanic" population of the USA is predominantly from Mexico.

A Mexican doesn't give a shit about a guy from Cuba. Here to tell you. From an area with a metric shit-ton of Mexicans. The linguistic commonality is the extent of the recognition.

And even Mexicans don't like one another very much. The rivalries between people from different geographies within Mexico are intense and often lethal, and carry over among Mexicans in the USA. A street fight between Sonora and Jalisco is something to see.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 01:03 PM (noWW6)

419 They answer is obvious. Romney would have beaten any other Democrat candidate in 2012. And Obama can't run for a third term, right?

Posted by: JoeyBagels at April 01, 2014 01:05 PM (xoEeV)

420 When they are wiping their asses with their hands a la Venezuela, will they reconsider?

Posted by: ejo at April 01, 2014 01:08 PM (GXvSO)

421 1) Hispanic's want high paying energy jobs more than extreme environment protection policies. 2) Hispanic's want water for agriculture jobs in the central valley of CA. Democrats and their special interest's block both opportunities.

Posted by: Titan Tom at April 01, 2014 01:08 PM (Xr5AE)

422

(they support, for example, abortion and gay marriage more than the baseline average of the country)

Well, from the survey report itself:

Virtually identical shares of Latinos (59%) and the general public (58%) say homosexuality should be accepted by society. However, on abortion, Hispanics hold a more conservative view than the general U.S. publicÂ—half (51%) of Hispanics say it should be illegal in most or all cases, compared with 41% of the general public.

So, not really 'progressive' in that regard at all. Not the half's view on abortion is that it should be illegal. And it is higher in the foreign born or 1st gen. And the question is not abojt gay marriage, but a choice about homosexuality being either 'accepted or discouraged in society'. Very one-ended question. There's a big gap between homosexuality 'being accepted or discouraged' vs gay marriage. The two are not at all the same thing.

"Nearly seven-in-ten (69%) immigrant Hispanics say religion is very important in their lives,"

This is about as far removed from 'progressive' as you can get. Personally, I think the GOP should make some subtle moves to highlight the anti-religious bigotry in 'progressives'. Not from D politicians, who watch their words, but the people who support them. Most Hispanics are probably not aware of the venom that comes out of them on a regular basis.

"Three-in-ten (30%) Latinos describe their political views as liberal or very liberal, compared with 21% of the general public."

Not exactly a groundswell. 32% say conservative.

"Can Most People Get Ahead with Hard Work or Are Hard Work and Determination No Guarantee of Success?"

75% say yes to the former. Again, this is the opposite of what 'progressives' preach.

So, the entire claim of hispanics being progressive or liberal is all about this one broad bigger government and more services question. But what government (federal/local?) and what services did the respondents have in mind. Perhaps they were thinking only of schools in regard to 'services'. No, I don't want fewer schools. We can't tell what they were thinking because the question is so broad.

Also, the sample was 2/3 foreign born. Only 15% were 3rd gen (both parents and adult born in US)

Might want to rethink things a bit instead of assuming something that isn't really true based only on that one loosely worded question and nothing else, most of which contradicts the 'Hispancis are progressives/liberals' line.

Posted by: Landru at April 01, 2014 01:08 PM (wygww)

423 Posted by: torquewrench You are too hard on W. He was a conservative leaning Republican who became assimilated by the already out of control federal government. He believed, I think, that he was compromising to govern and making life better for some. I think he was dead wrong on so many decisions he made; dear God look at the domestic security apparatus he started for one or the way he dealt with China, NK and Russia. But I think he was a perfect example of a good man overwhelmed by a culture so Far Left, domestically power hungry and sick he ended up living in a cyst rather than a bubble. Look how he started with a very conservative staff yet by the end didn't even get along that well with Cheney. I think all in all he will be judged decently by history while the books will say Barack sparked a Civil War. I liked him, but thought he could have been a much better President. I didn't see a better candidate at the time. YMMV of course.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 01:09 PM (aJyq1)

424 423 Titan Tom at April 01, 2014 05:08 PM (Xr5AE)

Which is PRECISELY the argument the GOP refuses to make.

Our current politics is a charade.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 01, 2014 01:10 PM (TE35l)

425 "sounds like desperation"

If it walks like a duck, and quacks ...

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at April 01, 2014 01:10 PM (w45V0)

426 420 "If I remember correctly, the MSM/dems cautioned/threatened Mitt when he was musing VP candidates that Rubio would not help him with the hispanic vote, because he was Cuban, ie the WRONG kind of Latino."

Not just the Democrats and their auxiliaries in the media who say that.

Consider that for political purposes, when we talk about the "Hispanic" vote, what we're really talking about is the Mexican vote. Because the "Hispanic" population of the USA is predominantly from Mexico.

A Mexican doesn't give a shit about a guy from Cuba. Here to tell you. From an area with a metric shit-ton of Mexicans. The linguistic commonality is the extent of the recognition.

And even Mexicans don't like one another very much. The rivalries between people from different geographies within Mexico are intense and often lethal, and carry over among Mexicans in the USA. A street fight between Sonora and Jalisco is something to see.

Posted by: torquewrench

I really don't think the average hispanic that lives here cares that deeply, it would be like whites caring if a politician had Irish or Scandanavian roots.

One issue that I do unfortunatley believe resonates is that some Republicans don't like "brown people" here. That why somebody like a Cruz or Rubio as a Republican would be a powerful force. I absolutely think a Cuban Republican would attract a Hispanic voter from Mexico by refuting that Democrat meme.

I hate playing the affirmative action game, but we're forced to,

Posted by: McAdams at April 01, 2014 01:12 PM (ceSyD)

427 @418 All Hail Eris Being an expat in Europe, you wouldn't want most white Europeans coming to the US. They would say the democrats are too conservative and Republicans are all lunatic-cowboy-war mongers.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 01, 2014 01:14 PM (96WPx)

428 The GOP can claim to be for everything Mexicans want and they still aren't going to vote GOP. They can pass everything Mexicans want and they still won't vote for the GOP.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 01, 2014 01:14 PM (1Y+hH)

429 I forgot to mention: I was living overseas while W was running and the press was universal in calling him an extreme Right Wing, racist and likely war monger (boy did that come around again after 9/11). All the (soon to be) EU Media hated him and basically called him a monster before he was even elected.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 01:15 PM (av/YM)

430 Anyone else remember Bush senior seeing a supermarket checkout counter laser scanner for the first time, and marveling aloud at this amazing new technology? When everyone else in America who actually works for a living and does their own shopping had long since come across the "amazing new technology" in question. Facepalm.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 04:24 PM (noWW6)

******************************

torquewrench, that was a flat-out lie made up by Andrew Rosenthal of the NYT, who was not even there.

http://www.mrc.org/ articles/great-george-bush-sr-grocery-scanner-urban-legend-lives (remove spaces)

http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/ blog/2008/08/the-bush-41-gro.html (remove spaces)

But Barack Obama not knowing how to use a credit card to pay for his purchases at the Gap? True.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/ news/gaffe-obama-visits-gap-amazed-credit-card-machine (remove spaces)

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 01, 2014 01:17 PM (UHIiO)

431 "I really don't think the average hispanic that lives here cares that deeply, it would be like whites caring if a politician had Irish or Scandanavian roots."

There still are places where playing up Irish roots, real or imagined, is politically productive (cough Bowelston cough).

Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 01:18 PM (noWW6)

432 At these rates will have our very own Latin American dictator in about 30 years.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 01, 2014 01:18 PM (9eDbm)

433 "Anyone else remember Bush senior seeing a supermarket checkout counter laser scanner for the first time, and..." No, but I remember it happening to Clinton.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning.... at April 01, 2014 01:18 PM (1Y+hH)

434 "(it's not surprising that immigrants from socialist countries favor socialism)"

Well, to me it is. If they wanted socialism, they could have stayed in their home countries rather than moving to a less socialist country. I mean, most Cuban immigrants are anti-Communist and strongly opposed to the Castro brothers.

Posted by: Joshua at April 01, 2014 01:19 PM (oCZ4e)

435 There's a reason why brown people the world over eat dirt for dinner every night

Posted by: Underprivileged Whitey at April 01, 2014 01:22 PM (Cs2tJ)

436 Sounds like somebody didn't get exactly what he wanted at the new TacoBell breakfast buffet! More fucking Counsels of Despair, in daily dosages.

I don't know where your "ancestors" came from (it is amusing as hell to guess), but not counting the ones who were already here, mine were all from socialist countries, nations, empires, duchies, or voivodeships. And they hated fucking socialism like the black plague. Why do your current "Hispanics" get a pass on this, where it's OK for them to be red because they're from Redland?

If our immigration procedures can't prevent open socialists from getting citizenship, it's time to eliminate it and institute new safeguards. Either that, or you believe in some form of "amnesty." And we stay so busy sucking up to the presumed New Masters of Demographics around here, may be you really do, deep down.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 01, 2014 01:22 PM (xq1UY)

437 @430 Daybrother "All the (soon to be) EU Media hated him and basically called him a monster before he was even elected." That was my experience as well. After he won the election in 2000, I had work colleagues gasp (was in Dublin) when I admitted I voted for the man. From 9/11 to the 2004 election living as a conservative American in Europe was surreal. Bush became the boogey man for alot of European "Angst".

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 01, 2014 01:23 PM (96WPx)

438 " We cannot win elections on the presidential level for many more years without significantly attracting more Hispanic voters."

Not true. If Romney had attracted 4% more of the white vote, he would have won. If he had increased his share of the Hispanic vote to 70%, he still would have lost.

And what would be more doable for Republicans, going fro 59 up to 63% of the white vote, or going from 27% up to 70% of the Hispanic vote?

Letting in tens of millions more socialism-loving voters is not inevitable; it is a choice we can choose not to make.

In any event, being pro-amnesty will not get the Republicans any more Hispanic votes, because Hispanics will tend to vote for the party of big government regardless. It will likely lose the Republicans lots of white votes, however.

Republicans need to be the party of people who value liberty and economic freedom, be they white, black, Hispanic or whatever. Maybe if they would start fighting for the interests of the people who vote for them, more would.

Posted by: Beef at April 01, 2014 01:31 PM (XERws)

439 From 9/11 to the 2004 election living as a conservative American in Europe was surreal. Bush became the boogey man for alot of European "Angst". Posted by: Buckeye Abroad Yup, that's a big me too buddy. After he was elected I had French friends that simply refused to even talk to me socially after they learned I supported him. I was suddenly shunned like a 13 year old girl. Dutch friends laughed and called me a cowboy. Of course being from Texas I took that as a compliment, which annoyed them.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 01, 2014 01:32 PM (8+c8C)

440 Ace: "I will be honest about this: I don't see what the hell there is to do about it. Voters will have their way, and the voters of the future will be voting socialist." ***** I am sorry, but you will have to appeal to white voters on racial levels, like brown, yellow and black voters are appealed to on racial levels. Once that happens, the monolithic racial spoils game will fracture, and become instead a set of shifting alliances, as one racial group forms and disolves alliances with other racial groups as the political landscape ebbs and flows.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 01, 2014 01:39 PM (C+qQ0)

441 Sure, Republicans have to get beyond deportation. And the wealthy have to get beyond lower taxes. Libertarians have to get beyond small government.

Posted by: Crude at April 01, 2014 01:39 PM (edicg)

442 "But Hoping for a Miracle doesn't sound like political strategy. It sounds like folly. It sounds like desperation."

Yeah, these are desperate times, my friend.

My husband used to say that Obama was a blessing upon America, because he would bring this country to such a horrible place that almost everyone would see what folly progressivism is. He thought this would happen in the nick of time, and that America can be saved for future generations. But not without a LOT OF PAIN.

Meanwhile, pray to God that He gives us what we need and not what we want.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at April 01, 2014 01:40 PM (R+h7Q)

443 431 Anyone else remember Bush senior seeing a
supermarket checkout counter laser scanner for the first time, and
marveling aloud at this amazing new technology? When everyone else in
America who actually works for a living and does their own shopping had
long since come across the "amazing new technology" in question.
Facepalm. Posted by: torquewrench at April 01, 2014 04:24 PM (noWW6)

That lie was debunked on, of all things, House of Cards season 2. I couldn't believe the writers actually had the guts to bring it up and cast W in a not horrible light for once. And if you've lost lefty TV show writers...

Posted by: LizLem at April 01, 2014 01:44 PM (BF+2f)

444 @439 Daybrother Cowboy. The euro-press called Reagan that during his entire presidency. I told a few Europeans that I understood they mean it as an insult, but told them Americans view cowboys as rugged individualists who are not afraid of the odds. We do take it as a compliment. BTW: Buckeye fan till I die, but I do have a UT Longhorn Sweatshirt with big TEXAS across it I occassionally wear here. I like to provoke

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 01, 2014 01:45 PM (96WPx)

445 363 Asians vote more reliably Democrat than hispanics.

That's a problem, but the GOP has never really tried to win them over. I'm an Engineer and I work with lot's of Asians and they are in general more naturally conservative then most whites, and especially most Hispanics.

As long as the GOP keeps chasing after Hispanics who will never appreciate what the GOP does for them and will immediately take a collective dump on Republicans the first chance they get, they have no chance of making headway with Asians.

It's just so bizarre how blind the so-called GOP leaders are.

Posted by: Pluskat's Dog at April 01, 2014 01:51 PM (kBca8)

446 Five words: Independent Republic of Greater Texas. I used to think this was crazy, paranoid, militia-weirdo type talk. Now, I'm not so sure. I think the odds are about 50/50 that I'll see some sort of secession in my lifetime. I wouldn't rule out civil war or a military coup or other banana-republic type stuff, either. I just can't see how it's going to be possible to run a successful government for a nation the size of the United States with the "one-size-fits-all" approach favored by the left. Traditionally, governments that are tasked with administering huge, wildly diverse populations have done so by permitting a great deal of local autonomy. The central government takes a hands-off policy as long as everybody ponies up at tax time. But liberals or progressives or whatever we're supposed to be calling them don't seem interested in that approach. Instead, citizens of Mule Hollow, Alabama, are apparently expected to embrace the lifestyles and values of San Francisco, California. There is simply no realistic way to make that happen that doesn't involve guns and tanks. Once upon a time, our leaders, no matter where they fell on the political spectrum, were able to grasp that. But now we've got a political class that is so far removed from the nation it governs that I sometimes wonder if they are even aware that there are actual, flesh-and-blood people living in those vast flyover expanses between New York and California. And that scares me. I mean, Eisenhower knew he could send federal troops to integrate a high school in Arkansas because he had an intuitive understanding that while white Southerners might be mad about it, they wouldn't consider it something worth taking up arms over. He knew how far he could push things without crossing the line. I'm not sure someone like Barack Obama understands that. He probably thinks he could send in troops to force gay marriage and gun control down the throats of Texas rednecks as easily as Eisenhower made Arkansas rednecks accept integration. He doesn't realize that would be tantamount to a declaration of war. Maybe Obama won't make such a stupid miscalculation, but I think he has increased the likelihood that some future Democrat will.

Posted by: Wes at April 01, 2014 01:52 PM (R1mDg)

447 Questions: I believe it is (almost) universally recognized that up until the mid 1970's or so, the United States had the most successful immigration policy in the history of mankind - A policy which had given rise to the 'melting pot nation' which was the envy of the world.... 1. WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY? 2. Where/when did the wheels fall off the trolley?

Posted by: alwyr at April 01, 2014 01:57 PM (V0j3u)

448 1. WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY? 2. Where/when did the wheels fall off the trolley? Posted by: alwyr at April 01, 2014 05:57 PM (V0j3u) ***** Senator Ted Kennedy and his legislation changed our immigration policy. Passed in 1968, I believe.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 01, 2014 02:00 PM (C+qQ0)

449 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 OK, 1965. My bad.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 01, 2014 02:02 PM (C+qQ0)

450 "Mitt Romney attracted 59% of the white vote, but he lost the election due to losing so many minority votes."

That remark in the context of the whole post is somewhat disingenuous. Romney could have won 100% of the Hispanic vote AND HE STILL WOULD HAVE LOST!

Even out to 2040 which ain't that far away if you don't capture a plurality of the white vote it does not matter how many minority votes you garner. The GOPers need to get that thru their heads. Period.

Posted by: pissantinPeoria at April 01, 2014 02:02 PM (RHBWt)

451 The GOPe needs to recruit a Spanish speaking Rush Limbaugh or twenty. George P. Bush?

Posted by: avi at April 01, 2014 02:07 PM (p/izY)

452 "1. WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY?"

Unsustainable levels for assimilation, and an anti-assimilationist government.

Instead of teaching immigrants about what has made America great, we bombard them with an indictment of everything America has done wrong. And why would they want to be part of the majority culture, when there are so many benefits associated with not being considered part of the majority culture?

Posted by: Beef at April 01, 2014 02:09 PM (XERws)

453 428 Buckeye Abroad Yeah, but I figure the ones who don't conform to the left/leftier/leftist mindset, and who have some drive, will want to come over. And hell, I was in the UK during the Clinton administration and America was excoriated for being a bunch of warmongering fascist oppressors who (horrors) had the death penalty. Any time someone went batshit crazy and killed, it was "American-style violence". When a video game (designed by benevolent Brits) had a high body count it was "American-style violence". European action movies had "Hollywood violence". Coalition actions were "American violence". Remind me again who instigated two world wars?

Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 01, 2014 02:10 PM (QBm1P)

454 453 Clarification - not the UK.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at April 01, 2014 02:13 PM (QBm1P)

455 No, Mitt lost because he failed to win enough WHITE votes.
There was an analysis right after the election that DIS-proved the theory that if Mitt had won more minority votes, he'd have won. It showed something like even if Mitt had won 75% of Hispanic votes (which would NEVER happen since Hispanics poll as socialists) he *still* would have lost. However, if Mitt had pandered just a little more to whites and won only a smidgen more of them over (something like a mere 2% more), he'd have won the whole thing. I believe that analysis was posted here at AoS, I'll see if I can find the link.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 01, 2014 02:15 PM (KL49F)

456 Aslan's Girl at April 01, 2014 06:15 PM (KL49F) ***** Yeah, I remember that.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 01, 2014 02:16 PM (C+qQ0)

457 Romney was good at explaining how he would help the entrepreneurs. But not so good at helping the law and order types who just want to live a middle class life.

Posted by: Taco Shack at April 01, 2014 02:18 PM (C+qQ0)

458 the GOP could attract the nonwhites if they figured out wedge issues that served those people. 1. blacks: school choice, no more under the table mexicans taking your jobs. 2. asians: uh, I dunno, lower taxes and no affirmative action which keeps their kids out of harvard. 3. hispanics: I don't know, they seem to have bought into voting donkey out of racial solidarity. Maybe play the Castro card for every whiskey dick tin pot banana republic dictator they are fleeing from? 4. arabs, I think, actually, saying you hate muslims would work. They're here, right? 5. Jews? Who knows. Ask Ben Stein. It's odd how much the Jewish piss on conservatives while cons are the only people that support Israel. But, just running on Mitt the Resume Romney's 2012, "obama is awesome but I am ok too" campaign will never get us: white union shitholes blacks arabs jews asians hispanics.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 02:24 PM (+JbYP)

459 I've long favored the old Roman idea of civitas sine suffragio. Citizenship without the vote. To the immediate cries of second class citizenship,I say well, yes, your citizenship will always be tainted by the fact you committed a crime by entering the country. You showed me your contempt for the concept of citizenship when you entered the country illegally. Watch democrats concern for illegals evaporate when they are no longer voters. Be happy you get to stay in the wealthiest (although in one sense the brokest) nation in the world. Which is why you came in the first place.

Posted by: Joseph Connell at April 01, 2014 02:32 PM (elnfy)

460 "It's odd how much the Jewish piss on conservatives while cons are the only people that support Israel. "

Weird for who, the pissers or the pissed-on?

Posted by: Beef at April 01, 2014 02:43 PM (XERws)

461 440 I am sorry, but you will have to appeal to white voters on racial levels, like brown, yellow and black voters are appealed to on racial levels. Once that happens, the monolithic racial spoils game will fracture, and become instead a set of shifting alliances, as one racial group forms and disolves alliances with other racial groups as the political landscape ebbs and flows. Posted by: Taco Shack at April 01, 2014 05:39 PM (C+qQ0) That's absolutely correct. It is foolish and suicidal for whites to be color-blind when no one else is. And no one else is. Every other racial and ethnic group is conscious of their group interest. Only whites are expected to ignore their own group interests. When politics becomes a zero-sum game where one group benefits at another's expense, we have no choice but to play along. We need to start thinking and voting explicitly along racial lines. The tenets of multiculturalism are that all cultures are equal except for Western culture which is uniquely exploitative and evil; and that all races are equal except for the white race which is uniquely racist and oppressive. When people of other races are constantly told that their problems are the fault of white racism, what do you think will happen to us when we are outnumbered, and become a minority? They will descend on us like vultures, with the full authority and power of the government behind them. It's "social justice". We've already had a preview of what happens. Countless urban neighborhoods which used to be majority white are now "no go" zones for whites. If present trends continue, this will happen on a national scale. It sucks, but I don't see where we have a choice. We didn't start it, but we have no choice to play the racial solidarity game, because every one else is. Our survival is at stake.

Posted by: rickl at April 01, 2014 02:47 PM (sdi6R)

462 I have to confess that I don't know why people coming from third world cesspools want to come here and duplicate the exact circumstances that they fled in the first place--it must be some sort of human nature, like the evil you know. We are not going to win the Hispanic vote any time soon, so the idea must be to make sure that the only Hispanics who vote are voting legally.

Posted by: TimothyJ at April 01, 2014 02:55 PM (ep2io)

463 both, I guess.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 03:02 PM (+JbYP)

464 @They don't want to duplicate the exact circumstances they fled, they just want their piece of our property. Voting socialist is how they get it.

Posted by: Beef at April 01, 2014 03:03 PM (XERws)

465 Two can play that game of demographics. I say we import the Afrikaaners from South Africa, for a start.

Posted by: ThePoliticalHat at April 01, 2014 03:05 PM (CTCNK)

466 "When people of other races are constantly told that their problems are the fault of white racism, what do you think will happen to us when we are outnumbered, and become a minority? They will descend on us like vultures, with the full authority and power of the government behind them. It's "social justice".

Well that's the plan anyway. You're not anti-justice, are you?

Posted by: Beef at April 01, 2014 03:07 PM (XERws)

467 So we should give up our values so that a bunch of socialist get free stuff until the free stuff runs out and they go back where the weather suits their clothes? Where are the Sam Houstons at?

Posted by: Huggy at April 01, 2014 03:08 PM (j9oR6)

468 After the uprising of the 17th of June The Secretary of the Writers' Union Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee Stating that the people Had forfeited the confidence of the government And could win it back only By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier In that case for the government To dissolve the people And elect another?

Posted by: Berthold Brecht at April 01, 2014 03:09 PM (CTCNK)

469 Oh yeah. Remember the Alamo. But especially the Battle of San Jacinto.

Posted by: Huggy at April 01, 2014 03:10 PM (j9oR6)

470 I'm depressed now.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at April 01, 2014 03:16 PM (g0H8G)

471 Well then, get 70% of the white vote.

Posted by: bildung at April 01, 2014 03:18 PM (riOeb)

472 wow, white guilt is corrosive. Cultural confidence is key. Need to get through think lib heads that 100 of anyone is ok, 1000000 is not.

Posted by: joeindc44 at April 01, 2014 03:18 PM (+JbYP)

473 Figures!
Why do socialists think socialism isn't responsible for turning their countries into crapholes?

Posted by: Ben(the original) at April 01, 2014 03:23 PM (DcG8N)

474 I cannot find the exact article I was thinking of, but these two make the same point -- all Mitt had to do was get 3% more whites to vote and he'd have WON. Republicans need to reach out to WHITES if they want to win and that means reject amnesty that would hurt said whites.

http://tinyurl.com/mw44cmw

http://tinyurl.com/m5ca7qa

ALSO, the reason Obama won, was more blacks and hispanics than ever before turned out -- obviously they were motivated by a black man on the ballot. That won't happen again more than likely.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 01, 2014 03:42 PM (KL49F)

475 >>I have to confess that I don't know why people coming from third world cesspools want to come here and duplicate the exact circumstances that they fled in the first place--it must be some sort of human nature, like the evil you know. Well in large part they don't, since in this country the police don't take bribes at roadblocks or bribe prisoners to get food or beat confessions out of suspects, and medicine isn't sterile water packaged fraudulently. So they avoided that by levanting here. If you're referring to things such as packing twenty people into a 4 bedroom house, fella, WE are the oddballs. Abraham Lincoln's generation didn't have our lavish standards of privacy or hygiene.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 01, 2014 04:37 PM (5xmd7)

476 Do dis mean Jihadi kan go border to?

Posted by: Taliban at April 01, 2014 04:51 PM (1jp4v)

477 I have to laugh when people keep insisting Ted Kennedy was behind the 1965 Immigration Act which doomed Whites in the USA. He was merely the goy spokesmodel.

Posted by: YourMomKeepsTexting at April 01, 2014 06:01 PM (c37Hv)

478 "Romney lost because millions of White people stayed home

they stayed home because no conservative was running for Prez"

Yup.

Posted by: Igor at April 01, 2014 06:08 PM (P0Ocs)

479 44 - Belize is not a Hispanic country.

Posted by: Dave M at April 01, 2014 09:00 PM (hnl07)

480 Sooner or later conservatives will begin to realize that fighting over the governance of this republic is a waste of time.

The republic must be broken up. Disintegration is the only solution. Secession the only recourse. In time, the independence movements will begin and whites will begin to fight back as their impending extinction becomes obvious. While whites embrace diversity, the others are using it as cover for demographic genocide. With the first signs of a rising Klan and what I have noticed as an emboldened defiance emanating from many whites, the back lash is coming. Diversity has failed. The republic has failed.

The republic must die.

Posted by: Malachi45 at April 02, 2014 01:35 AM (kHiog)

481 I guess all we can do is play for the near term and Hope a Miracle happens at some point -- that socialism will be more thoroughly discredited, that capitalism and freedom get some positive press, such that long-established political preferences can be changed. Instead of hoping for a miracle perhaps its time to face reality. The old right is finished. This article is a good start for reformed republicans - http://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/a-white-nationalist-memo-to-white-male-republicans/

Posted by: Podsnap at April 02, 2014 04:56 AM (cuDhS)

482 I like H A Covington's idea of a Northwest Republic. A Republic of TX would be nice too but whites will be a minority there within a few years. American is already dead and the maggots are fighting over the corpse.

Posted by: Whitey99 at April 02, 2014 05:33 AM (TRkgs)

483 The solution is to end Hispanic immigration. That is pretty obvious.

Posted by: Federale (@Federale86) at April 02, 2014 07:31 AM (NAlbk)

484 Or you could stop letting them in, start deporting like mad and repealing the 14th Ammendment. But advocating for that would require ballz, so none of the Establishment Conservative types will go for it.

Posted by: Lizzie at April 02, 2014 10:32 AM (a4yfs)

485 yep, we're doomed.

One thing I find interesting, though. Ace says he 'cares less about social issues than the increasing socialization of the nation'.

The two go hand in hand. If you want less spending and a smaller govt footprint, you must have prudent, thrifty, disciplined people. Bad behavior is expensive.

Posted by: scuds lonigan at April 02, 2014 02:46 PM (gbxmr)

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