January 03, 2014

Doctor's Office Spends Two Hours on Hold Seeking Obamacare Authorization for Surgery
— Ace

The doctor's office manager eventually gave up, and performed the surgery absent an authorization from the insurer.

Paperwork problems almost delayed suburban Chicago resident Sheri ZajcewÂ’s scheduled surgery Thursday, but Dr. John Venetos decided to operate without a routine go-ahead from the insurance company. That was after VenetosÂ’ office manager spent two hours on hold with the insurer Thursday, trying to get an answer about whether the patient needed prior authorization for the surgery. The office manager finally gave up.

“I’m not a happy camper,” said Nate Zajcew, the patient’s husband. The couple signed up for a Blue Cross Blue Shield bronze plan through the federal HealthCare.gov site on Dec. 16. “I understand it’s just a matter of paperwork and yesterday was a holiday. I can be an SOB, too, at times, but since they’re going on with the procedure, it’s OK.”

And it took a UK paper to report this story:

Hospital staff in Northern Virginia are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they can't determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect.

Patients in a close-in DC suburb who think they've signed up for new insurance plans are struggling to show their December enrollments are in force, and health care administrators aren't taking their word for it.

In place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can't afford.

'They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!' a coughing Maria Galvez told MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of Springfield.
She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.

'The people in there told me that since I didn't have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,' Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. 'It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.'

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1 Eventually, under 404Care all surgeries will be performed by the doctor's office manager, to cut costs.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 03, 2014 09:53 AM (Dwehj)

2 This never happened in Korea.

Posted by: Father Mulcahey at January 03, 2014 09:53 AM (t25XY)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 09:53 AM (PYAXX)

4 Good thing DC and Nova aren't experiencing a record cold snap with life threatening weather conditions.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 09:53 AM (ZPrif)

5 There's only going to be more of this. Hopefully we can get some politicians on our side to grandstand and demagogue the ever-loving excrement out of the mess that is Obamacare. If not, we're pretty much doomed.

Posted by: Sam Hill at January 03, 2014 09:54 AM (zgHLA)

6 The Democrats so love the poor,  sick,  and downtrodden that they work selflessly to create more of them.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 03, 2014 09:54 AM (hLRSq)

7 " I signed up last week like I was supposed to."

There's a sucker born every minute.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 09:54 AM (70Unk)

8 18,000 West Virginia Residents Forced To Re-Enroll In Obamacare Because of Website GlitchÂ… http://weaselzippers.us/?p=166483

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 09:54 AM (g1DWB)

9

It isn't hyperbole to say that this law will have a body count.  But I guess you have to break a few eggs to make for a brighter future, huh?

Posted by: dan-O at January 03, 2014 09:55 AM (D0bIN)

10 Who knew the death panels were also known as hold buttons?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 09:55 AM (IXrOn)

11 I do IT support for Doctor's offices... Trust me... the staffs are PISSED.... with all the cancelled policies they are having to check EVERYONE insurance... except Medicaid and Medicare...

Posted by: Romeo13....... at January 03, 2014 09:55 AM (lZBBB)

12 I am so incredibly happy that we found Christian Healhcare Ministries. I don't even want to think about what we would have done if we hadn't. What a freaking scoamf.

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 09:55 AM (hFL/3)

13 I guess the death panel wasn't back from Christmas vacation yet.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (Hx5uv)

14 I read the whole story. Maria Galvez chose the Carefirst BCBS BlueChoice Plus Bronze $5,500 plan, which means that even if authorization had gone quicker than shit through a goose, she STILL would have had to pay for her X-ray because $5,500 deductible. Enjoy your "free" care Maria!

Posted by: Weirddave at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (N/cFh)

15 Obama will get right on that as soon as he finishes his Shaved Ice and a ribald game of Spades with Reggie Love.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (t25XY)

16 Of course, with the huge deductible on the ObamaCare plan she may or may not have purchased, Galvez would have paid the full amount of the x-ray anyway.  The only real question is whether it would have counted against the deductible.  It's $500 out of her pocket in any case. 

Posted by: Guy in Texas at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (AcmH4)

17 Somebody..... go fetch willow.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (nELVU)

18 Obama could have done that surgery in less time with his eyes closed.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (IXrOn)

19 Okay... on the first one: that sucks, but it *does* happen. Even with private insurance, and especially in the first few days of the year. I've worked those phone lines, so I know of what I speak. On the second- that needs more air-time, but it needs to be made clear that the culprit is ObamaCare, not the Hospital. The Hospitals aren't "turning patients away," they're informing them that they'll be on the hook for the whole cost if they're not really insured- and then letting people decide for themselves if they want to be admitted or not.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (PYAXX)

20 NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS!!!!!* *also, all you people who predicted this? RACIST

Posted by: wizardpc at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (HDCAA)

21 *steps up onto stepstool* *points* *ahem* FUCKING. TOLD. YOU. SO. *steps down*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 09:56 AM (JpFMR)

22 8 18,000 West Virginia Residents Forced To Re-Enroll In Obamacare Because of Website GlitchÂ… http://weaselzippers.us/?p=166483 --- You call this a GLITCH?!?

Posted by: The Old Man, OCP CEO at January 03, 2014 09:57 AM (/Crba)

23 That said... 2 hours is insane, and I wouldn't have kept holding, either.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 09:57 AM (PYAXX)

24 Trust me... the staffs are PISSED.... with all the cancelled policies they are having to check EVERYONE insurance... except Medicaid and Medicare. Success!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 09:57 AM (WhJf8)

25 Not fair Poopypants.

Posted by: 8 year old stuck in a grown woman's body at January 03, 2014 09:57 AM (Aif/5)

26 Evil Republican Governor is at fault.
McAuliffe will fix this as soon as he's sworn in

Posted by: Roman Maroni at January 03, 2014 09:58 AM (fJS4a)

27 This is the kind of story the GOP could use to illustrate and hammer the Democrats at the same time, too bad nobodys home at the GOP.

To busy trying to figure out the proper time to spring comprehensive immigration reform.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 03, 2014 09:58 AM (Xkr8I)

28 I've done the prior approval calls to insurance companies and it was a pain in the ass. 

Obamacare - Now with even bigger ass pain.

Posted by: huerfano at January 03, 2014 09:58 AM (bAGA/)

29 Hospice and morphine are automatically authorized. No waiting for that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 09:58 AM (ZPrif)

30 You call this a GLITCH?!? Sure, and starving the Kulaks was an unfortunate oversight.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (WhJf8)

31 Note.... When my Ski Jump for the Olympics was behind schedule... I fired the Man in Charge, and then made fun of him on National TV.... My Ski Jump is done.... THAT is how you get results.... we LEARNED from our Communist days... you are just entering yours...

Posted by: Vlad Putin at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (lZBBB)

32 These people are probably republicans, and therefore ought to die.   The system is working.

Posted by: HHS Death Panel at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (AX3vC)

33 Nanner Nanner Motherfuckers! You voted for him, now suck it like the little bitches you are!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (vHRtU)

34 yeah.  Um.

Dude, this story was old on Drudge about 10 hours ago and it wasn't even good then.

Ace!  wtfru?

Dude, you need blankets?  Some fried chicken? 

I will send it!

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (x3YFz)

35 The only real question is whether it would have counted against the deductible. It's $500 out of her pocket in any case. There's also the question of how much they're allowed to charge. If they're In-Network with the insurance, they can only charge the Allowable Amount (for an X-Ray, probably $250 or so).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (PYAXX)

36

“I’m not a happy camper,” said Nate Zajcew, the patient’s husband.

 

Dammit to hell, don't people talk like adults anymore?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (zF6Iw)

37

Posted by:BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 01:56 PM (JpFMR)

 

 

Give that step stool back to Alex before she punches you in the ankle.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 03, 2014 09:59 AM (hLRSq)

38 Give that step stool back to Alex before she punches you in the ankle. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 03, 2014 01:59 PM (hLRSq) --- I'm going to sit over here and have some popcorn while she headbutts you in the dick.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 03, 2014 10:00 AM (/Crba)

39 6 The Democrats so love the poor, sick, and downtrodden that they work selflessly to create more of them. Posted by: Mikey NTH 10 Who knew the death panels were also known as hold buttons? Posted by: artisanal 'ette I hope somebody's collecting these. Hello, RNC?

Posted by: m at January 03, 2014 10:00 AM (omrQI)

40 Hospice and morphine are automatically authorized. No waiting for that.

Only aspirin. Period. End of discussion.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 03, 2014 10:00 AM (Dwehj)

41 27 This is the kind of story the GOP could use to illustrate and hammer the Democrats at the same time, too bad nobodys home at the GOP. To busy trying to figure out the proper time to spring comprehensive immigration reform. The DOPe does not want to dismantle 404Care. They want to run it. Both parties want the same Progressive agenda. Their only difference is over who gets to run it. Which is why we're well and truly fucked.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 10:00 AM (7ObY1)

42 interesting take on "the Roberts Trap" (American Thinker):

http://tinyurl.com/plh63xc

Posted by: Mallfly at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (bJm7W)

43 Thanks to the foreign press for doing the job our supposed gate keepers won't. Fuckers.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (FciyD)

44 Dammit to hell, don't people talk like adults anymore? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 01:59 PM (zF6Iw) Yeah, like, totes for sure.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (JpFMR)

45 Hospice and morphine are automatically authorized. No waiting for that. Heh. I know you're kidding, but my Dad takes morphine to dull the cancer pain. The hospital makes him come in every 30 days for his refill. You can't refill even a day early. If the Doc's not available for confirmation each time, no refill.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (9PrpA)

46 Wouldn't it be nice if we had a free press to report all this shit and an opposition Party to oppose it.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (T2V/1)

47 If you like your on-hold Muzak, you can keep your on-hold Muzak.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (7ObY1)

48 Which is why we're well and truly fucked. --- You mean proper-fucked?

Posted by: Mickey The Pikey at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (/Crba)

49 Re: "...like I was supposed to." ^^ what the fuck is wrong with some people? Btw, when will the new IRS forms with proof of approved health ins. be released? I look forward to penciling in "Go you yourself, next question?" like anyone who's seeious about liberty "is suppose to".

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 03, 2014 10:01 AM (d2QQ4)

50 I blame Ted Cruz

Posted by: Senator John McCain [/i] [/b] at January 03, 2014 10:02 AM (5ikDv)

51 'The people in there told me that since I didn't have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,' Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. 'It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.' Waaa. "It's not fair"! What to ask her to pay for the services she wants? LIVs have a strange concept of fair. If it's not free, it's not fair. We are so fucking boned.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:02 AM (0FSuD)

52 Did we send some of our Southern White Racists across the pond?

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2014 10:02 AM (fWAjv)

53

At the very least there should have been a waiting period anyway.   All of my employers had a waiting period before insurance kicked in for new hires.  This prevented people attempting to get hired for the insurance,  only to get major surgery the next week.  Also it allows the carriers time to implement the policy so these types of issues do not come up.  

 

If you were uninsured  all  the previous years of your life ,  a short waiting period should not be a big deal  and should not have been  a big deal for those wanting to implement Obamacare. 

 

Also this would  reduce the loophole created by requiring carriers to insure preexisting conditions.    The loophole makes it attractive to just pay the fine until such time as you might need insurance. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 10:02 AM (m2CN7)

54 Dude, you need blankets? Some fried chicken? I will send it! Two please.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:02 AM (9PrpA)

55
Remember when we were all called "racists" and "scaremongers" when we pointed out that a trip to the doctors office would be just like a trip to the DMV????


Good times, good times.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 10:03 AM (nELVU)

56 If you like your diseased spleen, you can keep your diseased spleen.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:03 AM (Hx5uv)

57 'The people in there told me that since I didn't have an insurance card, 'It's not fair � you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.' No insurance card? Did she pay her monthly premium? No pay, no go.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:03 AM (qc7at)

58 " Nanner Nanner Motherfuckers! You voted for him, now suck it like the little bitches you are!" OK, I totally get this impulse, and for the people who actually did vote for the idiot, I totally agree. However, there are lots of conservatives who did not vote for this shit who are still stuck in the exchanges because Obama made them lose their insurance policies. For them? Yeah, I'm thinking that the only feeling they have right now is fire hot rage.

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 10:03 AM (hFL/3)

59 Signed up for Zerocare did he? Fuck him to hell as far as I'm concerned. Chicago cockbite.

Posted by: maddogg at January 03, 2014 10:03 AM (xWW96)

60 The hills are al-ive, with the sound of com-mies.

Posted by: The Problem With Maria at January 03, 2014 10:03 AM (Dwehj)

61 Posted by: Mallfly at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (bJm7W) I don't buy 11-dimensional-chess arguments. Occam suggests the most likely answer is "he caved."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:04 AM (PYAXX)

62 Not a lie. Since Obama has taken control of the health insurance industry, he has responsibility for it - even if he doesn't want the blame.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 03, 2014 10:04 AM (h53OH)

63 Press 1 if you are having a major heart attack. Press 2 if you are blacking out Press 3 if you're dead. Please note, your call may be monitored by the NSA and for training purposes. Your wait time is approximately 4 hours and 23 minutes. We appreciate your patience. And thanks for calling SCOAMF care.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 03, 2014 10:04 AM (FciyD)

64 Yeah, like, totes for sure.

 

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (JpFMR)

 

Yeah, I left myself wide open, didn't I?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 10:04 AM (zF6Iw)

65 It infuriates me how little coverage this is getting when there were rows if reporters to get shots of soldiers returning in caskets from Iraq.

Posted by: Boone at January 03, 2014 10:04 AM (3p8HS)

66 Just saw update, Packers and Colts are sold out. Games on.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (ZshNr)

67 Dammit to hell, don't people talk like adults anymore? Totes mcgoats!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (qc7at)

68 Yeah, I left myself wide open, didn't I? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 02:04 PM (zF6Iw) Gotta spike those, Focker.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (JpFMR)

69 @42

John Roberts can go fuck himself sideways with a pineapple.

He had no idea this would be the monstrosity it has become and he re-wrote the law as presented to him.

He gets no grace.


Posted by: Kreplach at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (Xkr8I)

70 40 Hospice and morphine are automatically authorized. No waiting for that.

Only aspirin. Period. End of discussion.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 03, 2014 02:00 PM (Dwehj)

I thought my mom was 1 foot in the grave (2 years ago) and through an unfortunate set of events, she was in a hospice.

Worst.
Fucking.
Place.
Ever.

Makes prison sound like a vacation.

The shitbag shitfucking nutgrabbing nicklefucking cuntherders that work there should be hung by the ankles until almost dead.  Then released to fend for themselves in a desert filled with vultures and coyotes.

Cocksuckers.  The lot of them.  They're the shit that you miss on the rim of your toilet when you're cleaning it.

Have I expressed my derision for these sub-human vile degenerates adequately?

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (x3YFz)

71
"ACA Suicide Hotline........  Please Hold."

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (nELVU)

72 what the fuck is wrong with some people? The same thing that was/is wrong with throngs of gun-owners in CT lining up to register their weapons.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (PYAXX)

73 Dammit to hell, don't people talk like adults anymore?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 01:59 PM (zF6Iw)

Don't get all wee wee'd up.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:05 AM (Hx5uv)

74 You're gonna love it when they are calling for guidance during an emergency heart surgery...

Ogabecare more grist for the mill

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:06 AM (TE35l)

75 mcgoats! Mmmm, McGoats.

Posted by: mohammed at January 03, 2014 10:06 AM (t25XY)

76 Do they seriously think the Death Panel works on New Years Day?

Posted by: real joe at January 03, 2014 10:06 AM (xXhgd)

77 7 " I signed up last week like I was supposed to." There's a sucker born every minute. _________________________ She had signed up, but she had not yet paid a dime (although she still expected to be covered). What I find curious is the fact that this lady could not afford to pay $500 for an x-ray she needed, yet she is going to have no problem paying $450 a month in Obamacare premiums, plus the $5,500 yearly deductible. My guess is she was planning on "paying" for her Obamacare policy with a big fat subsidy check from the U.S. Treasury.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at January 03, 2014 10:06 AM (/sohm)

78 You mean proper-fucked?

Yeah.  Proper fucked.

Posted by: Turkish at January 03, 2014 10:06 AM (DrWcr)

79 Jesus, I lack the vocabulary to describe how much I hate these fuckers. And my vocabulary of vitriol is extensive, and vile.

Posted by: maddogg at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (xWW96)

80 11 Romeo 13,

That's true "sorta"...

I went back to my MD in Indiana pulled out 65 dollars from my right pocket.

"done"

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (TE35l)

81 John Roberts can go fuck himself sideways with a barbed wire wrapped pineapple. FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (yz6yg)

82 interesting take on "the Roberts Trap" (American Thinker):

http://tinyurl.com/plh63xc

Posted by: Mallfly at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (bJm7W)


-----


Yeah..... I read that the other day..... might I point out that the "bait" is other peoples lives.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (nELVU)

83 I signed up last week like I was supposed to

And then we boarded the rail cars to the camps, just like we were supposed to.

Posted by: Shari Zajdew at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (Dwehj)

84 How else are we going to decrease the surplus population?

Posted by: Anti-Human Ecologist at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (XvHmy)

85 If the Doc's not available for confirmation each time, no refill.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (9PrpA)



Yep. Same for my husband. Who had taken it every day for the past 12 years or so. Never had an issue with "losing" his meds, but they won't trust him to fill it a day in advance. Which makes pharmacies open on Sunday's an absolute must. It's nuts. For the two or three bad apples, make those in pain suffer even more.

Posted by: tcn at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (fwcEs)

86

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (x3YFz)

 

hospice is home care for the terminally ill.   You don't go to hospice.

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (m2CN7)

87 But single payer will work PERFECTLY!

Posted by: Michael Moore at January 03, 2014 10:07 AM (MMC8r)

88 Have I expressed my derision for these sub-human vile degenerates adequately?

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (x3YFz)

 

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.  What happened? 

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (DrWcr)

89 Please note, your call may be monitored by the NSA and for training purposes.
-
And any negative comments about Obamacare will be viewed as treason.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (Hx5uv)

90 Do they seriously think the Death Panel works on New Years Day? --- All is quiet on New Year's Day A world in white gets underway I want to be with you Be with you night and day Nothing changes on New Year's Day On New Year's Day

Posted by: U2 at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (/Crba)

91 They're the OC (original crackers).

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (9PrpA)

92 "It's not fair." I bet there will be LIV and members of the FSA who die with those words on their lips.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (yE8uc)

93 You have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (Pr6hk)

94 I don't buy 11-dimensional-chess arguments. Occam suggests the most likely answer is "he caved." While I agree that he simply caved, I think the article's argument reasonably contends for the least hypothesis. I personally have a fine-let's-do-it-your-way-and-we'll-see-WTF-happens streak about a mile wide.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (V3kRK)

95 Dammit to hell, don't people talk like adults anymore?

----

H8ers gonna h8.... brah.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 10:08 AM (nELVU)

96 Maybe they should put choo choo Joey Biden in charge of this since it has become such a train wreck,   huh?

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (9u2hL)

97 hospice is home care for the terminally ill. You don't go to hospice. Not entirely correct. In-home hospice is home care for the terminally ill. There is inpatient hospice, however, where you are kept at a medical facility much like a nursing home.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (PYAXX)

98 Is that the same Chicago that Obama is from?  I mean that would be sooo ironic.

Ya know?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (BZAd3)

99 What I find curious is the fact that this lady could not afford to pay $500 for an x-ray she needed, yet she is going to have no problem paying $450 a month in Obamacare premiums, plus the $5,500 yearly deductible. My guess is she was planning on "paying" for her Obamacare policy with a big fat subsidy check from the U.S. Treasury. Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at January 03, 2014 02:06 PM (/sohm) I signed up. What do you mean I have to 'pay?' -LIV

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (fWAjv)

100 "deductible'  n. a complicated complex insurance term only understood by an obscure antarctic clan of penguin herders, milkers, and breeders as it relates to insured marine vessels lost to unexpected ice flows. .

Posted by: Too old for this shit at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (h0Zsk)

101 God forbid TFG (said with spiteful emphasis) should interrupt his million dollar vacation to work on fixing the massive embrace of suck he collaborated in engineering.

Posted by: MTF at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (F58x4)

102 86 Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (x3YFz)

hospice is home care for the terminally ill. You don't go to hospice.

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 02:07 PM (m2CN7)

Uh.  Yeah.  If you're stupid, you do.  Are ya ignant?  I have first fist-to-face experience with hospice workers.

It's an industry, darlin.

Hospice = place to die and be robbed and raped.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (x3YFz)

103 55 fixerupper at January 03, 2014 02:03 PM (nELVU)


now we're just  butthurt southern white conservative racist homophobes....

never mind that I am a yankee....

anyway I love it when DeStalino in NYC invoked "finally we are unified!" and hell maybe in NYC they are

I am never in unity with Choom and the Gang

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (TE35l)

104 In the future, all hospitals are Taco Bell. Thanks, Demolition SCOAMF!

Posted by: wooga at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (2Ukpc)

105 "And it took a UK paper to report this [Obamacare] story"

The Daily Wail is a weird thing.

They are basically a flashy tabloid, absolutely stuffed with cheesy celebrity gossip about shallow people in whom I have not the slightest interest.

But, they're fearless about reporting certain types of stories, and unusually for a UK tabloid, they've realized that in the age of the Internet, they can draw a profitable US audience by covering stories from this side of the pond.

One of the things they are not editorially intimidated regarding is the identification of the race of the perpetrators of various criminal outrages. It's strange but true that I often have to go to their UK site to confirm suspicions about the ethnicities of criminals in ugly cases -- information which their US press counterparts have, but refuse to make public.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 03, 2014 10:09 AM (gqT4g)

106 Hey.. this Obamacare thing just started.. give them some more time to really fuck things up royally!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (f9c2L)

107 98 Is that the same Chicago that Obama is from? I mean that would be sooo ironic. Ya know? --- It's like raaaaaaaain... on your weddin' day!

Posted by: Alanis Morisette at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (/Crba)

108 John Roberts can go fuck himself sideways with a barbed wire wrapped pineapple ...grenade, sans pin. FIFY

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (qc7at)

109 interesting take on "the Roberts Trap" (American Thinker): http://tinyurl.com/plh63xc Posted by: Mallfly at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (bJm7W) yeah, interesting Time will tell.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (IXrOn)

110 >>hospice is home care for the terminally ill. You don't go to hospice. Not always. My dad was in hospice care for the last few days of his life and it was at a long term care facility.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (g1DWB)

111 ACA Suicide Hotline........ Please Hold How may I help you? FIFY. Self-denunciation, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Posted by: John Roberts at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (cHwSy)

112 So in advance if they are one of the rare non dem voting (dead or alive) in Chicago, I feel bad for them. If they voted for Barky McClown. Fuck em, own the suckage losers.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (FciyD)

113 Cartoon Flo is way hotter than the real Flo.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (t25XY)

114

John Roberts can go fuck himself sideways with a barbed wire wrapped pineapple.

 


FIFY

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2014 02:07 PM (yz6yg)

 

And by "pineapple," I presume you mean "grenade," don't you, Bannion?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 10:10 AM (zF6Iw)

115 I'm going to sit over here and have some popcorn while she headbutts you in the dick. ---- Did she borrow MWR's trampoline?

Posted by: J. Random Dudes phone at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (MLKRR)

116 Hospice = place to die and be robbed and raped. Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:09 PM (x3YFz) Maybe their facilities, but I've had multiple family members go through hospice's in home care and they were wonderful people. Every. Time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (JpFMR)

117 ObamaCare is a GBOW. Giant Ball of Wrong.

Posted by: eman at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (EWsrI)

118 I personally have a fine-let's-do-it-your-way-and-we'll-see-WTF-happens streak about a mile wide. Call me Mr. Silly Pants, but I would like my Supreme Court Justices to rule on the law as written, not as they'd *like* it to be written. Further, I'd like them to attempt to understand the law on which they're opining before so opining- such that knowing that the Individual Mandate was the lynchpin, and if it was unconstitutional the whole thing should have been axed.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (PYAXX)

119 I'm thinking that all the people Obama hired to dig up obscure 'good news' stories about obamacare should probably not use these. 

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (BZAd3)

120 @57, yeah, that's the first thing I thought of. You don't have insurance because you "signed up," you stupid bint. You have insurance when you've paid for it -- just like everything else you've bought. Another woman was in there sniveling because they said she didn't have insurance yet because she hadn't paid her premium, and she was claiming she hadn't gotten a bill yet. How can you explain to people that until you have paid for something, you haven't bought it? Also, if these people were so all-fired sick, why were they a) driving themselves to the ER, b) talking to reporters, and c) driving themselves away from the ER? It really is a market-place miracle that if you tell someone how expensive some elective procedure is going to be, they decide they're not sick enough to use it.

Posted by: sunny-dee at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (EBoCD)

121 94 FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 02:08 PM (V3kRK)

I have developed one.

Here's a question if a baker can be fined for not serving gays why is Starbucks not in the sling for "denying service" to the Glee Mafia's detractors?

Or is tolerance and public good a one way street?

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (TE35l)

122 It's like raaaaaaaain... on your weddin' day! Posted by: Alanis Morisette at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM Or your global warming crusie ship stuck in the thick ice!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (FciyD)

123 I signed up. What do you mean I have to 'pay?' -LIV That's the free part, bitchez. You pay so some other leech doesn't have to.....

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:11 AM (qc7at)

124 102 86
Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:05 PM (x3YFz)



hospice is home care for the terminally ill. You don't go to hospice.

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 02:07 PM (m2CN7)

So that whole part about my mom being in a hospice facility for 10 months while I visited her ever day and kept the vultures off her was just my goddam imagination?

Well, shit.

You need to get out more.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:12 AM (x3YFz)

125 And by "pineapple," I presume you mean "grenade," don't you, Bannion? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (zF6Iw) I could. I could also mean 40 lb shaped charge.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:12 AM (yz6yg)

126 Saw  this article this morning.  Bill Ayers can't be happier with how this is progressing.  Margret Sanger would be proud.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 10:12 AM (XAwim)

127 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (PYAXX)

What a novel idea. 

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 10:12 AM (BZAd3)

128 Since Obamacare requires health insurers to continue coverage for three months even if premium payments stop, and health providers who are paid for services during this time will be required to refund payment for said services if premium payment is not received, health care providers are now demanding to see not just a id card, or an approval notice, but PROOF of payment of premium in the month services are rendered. Keep your payroll stub, keep your a copy of cancelled checks or debit or credit card charge for the health providers. This will be a pain in the ass but who can blame them.

Posted by: Lester at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (2UPXV)

129 heh. seems cbs purged the comments to the oregonian and child who can't afford obamacare... couldn't handle the drudge commenter heat, I suppose. truth hurts, so hide it

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (IXrOn)

130 You need to get out more. Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:12 PM (x3YFz) Dude. Take it down a notch. No reason to be a dick right off the bat. Same team and all.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (JpFMR)

131 118 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (PYAXX)

You're not a silly pants and without a doubt Judas Iscariot Roberts caved and was a pussy in the face of public outcry over a Constitutional point he created wholecloth....

that said YOLO right?

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (TE35l)

132 Yeah, what an outrage. Meanwhile, the water cooler talk amongst most voters is...what? Not this, that's for sure. Homos in the Olympics? Homos in the NFL? More likely.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (SnFIT)

133 @NROcorner: Director of Oregon's Obamacare Exchange Resigns http://tinyurl.com/kukvzq3

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (bCEmE)

134

64: "Yeah, I left myself wide open, didn't I?"

 

How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Barney Frank at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (LJpVo)

135 BTW - I had a run in on a lefty website with some libtards..

When 404Care.gov crashed and burned, you could find a lot of lefties who were critical of Obamacare.  But now, they are all on board with how wonderful it is!  2 million people enrolled!  Most of them Medicaid!

They insist that people are seeing savings already.. despite the news stories to the contrary and despite all of the anecdotal stories of 200-300% premium increases.  If you post a link, you must be posting something made up by the Koch brothers!  Obama wouldn't lie!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 03, 2014 10:13 AM (f9c2L)

136 Cartoon Flo is way hotter than the real Flo. Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (t25XY) Cartoon Yosemete Sam is way haotter than real flo.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (XIxXP)

137 And by "pineapple," I presume you mean "grenade," don't you, Bannion? Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (zF6Iw) WellÂ….the hospice turnover is much higher in Florida - aka God's Waiting Room.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (yz6yg)

138 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (PYAXX) I agree with you completely. My point was that I wouldn't need all the points specified in the article to pull such an asshole move. For me, it's practically a reflex.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (V3kRK)

139 Maybe their facilities, but I've had multiple family members go through hospice's in home care and they were wonderful people. Every. Time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (JpFMR)


Yeah, until your relatives decide that  you have been alive too long and give you a big dose of morphine to end it. Until that part.



Hospice might be about palliative care, but they are just as much about euthanasia.

Posted by: tcn at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (fwcEs)

140 Wait until the LIV get schooled on the meaning of Deductible. I guess 0 deductible will be the next mandate from our lord Barack.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (9Bdcz)

141 Not always. My dad was in hospice care for the last few days of his life and it was at a long term care facility.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 02:10 PM (g1DWB)

 

Was he there already when hospice assigned?  My understanding, which you guys are telling is incorrect,  is that hospice is the care provided and is assigned to where you are when the  requirements for hospice arise.  I have not ever experienced someone being transferred  from their home to a facility to be cared by hospice.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (m2CN7)

142 Cartoon Flo is way hotter than the real Flo. I dislike the ads, and hate the CEO's politics, but I think Flo is cute. Too much makeup, but she's a cutie.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (9PrpA)

143 UghÂ…cut and past fail

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (yz6yg)

144 I left myself wide open Cutler will still overthrow it.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 10:14 AM (t25XY)

145 136 LOL

Posted by: Iasonas at January 03, 2014 10:15 AM (FHNkr)

146
Dude. Take it down a notch. No reason to be a dick right off the bat. Same team and all.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 02:13 PM (JpFMR)

I gotcha.  She pushed the "mom" button. 

steady.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:15 AM (x3YFz)

147 133 @NROcorner: Director of Oregon's Obamacare Exchange Resigns http://tinyurl.com/kukvzq3 --- Is this a repeat from last month?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 03, 2014 10:15 AM (/Crba)

148 Cutler will still overthrow it. Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 02:14 PM (t25XY) But for much more money now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:15 AM (yz6yg)

149 My old employer switched insurance companies starting this year and I haven't got a card yet.  And they notified us of the switch in October.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 03, 2014 10:15 AM (T2V/1)

150 21 *steps up onto stepstool*
*points*
*ahem*
FUCKING. TOLD. YOU. SO.
*steps down*Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 01:56 PM (JpFMR)

You're gonna need  bigger stepstool...

Posted by: Martin Brody, realizing Obamacare is even scarier than a shark at January 03, 2014 10:15 AM (BF+2f)

151 Another woman was in there sniveling because they said she didn't have insurance yet because she hadn't paid her premium, and she was claiming she hadn't gotten a bill yet. How can you explain to people that until you have paid for something, you haven't bought it? Remember? SCOAMT waved his magic wand and said that people had to be covered 1/1, but didn't have to pay until 1/10.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:16 AM (PYAXX)

152 Also, if these people were so all-fired sick, why were they a) driving themselves to the ER, b) talking to reporters, and c) driving themselves away from the ER? It really is a market-place miracle that if you tell someone how expensive some elective procedure is going to be, they decide they're not sick enough to use it. Posted by: sunny-dee at January 03, 2014 02:11 PM (EBoCD) ___________________________ I suspect they decided that they didn't want to pay for the procedure (with their own money), not that they weren't sick enough to use it. It's funny, isn't it, how much more careful people are about spending when the money they're spending is their own, and not "free" money from "Obama's stash." Gee, if only there were some way to use that fact in shaping public policies . . . .

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at January 03, 2014 10:16 AM (/sohm)

153 She pushed the "mom" button. Just like I did last night, with your mother, Trebeck!

Posted by: Sean Connery at January 03, 2014 10:16 AM (t25XY)

154 I dislike the ads, and hate the CEO's politics, but I think Flo is cute. Too much makeup, but she's a cutie. Posted by: bonhomme at January 03, 2014 02:14 PM (9PrpA) Moaner, screamer, or squeaker? These are the important questions in life.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:16 AM (yz6yg)

155 @NROcorner: Director of Oregon's Obamacare Exchange Resigns Back at work with a lib NGO in 5...4...3...2...

Posted by: --- at January 03, 2014 10:17 AM (MMC8r)

156 Wait until the LIV get schooled on the meaning of Deductible. I guess 0 deductible will be the next mandate from our lord Barack. Zero deductible equals system crash & burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:17 AM (qc7at)

157 154 Sean Bannion at January 03, 2014 02:16 PM (yz6yg)

I like crazy....

prefer wife's crazy to a few of my exes but crazy keeps you spry....

and uh in night terrors.

Happy New Year Bannion

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:17 AM (TE35l)

158 Good news, everyone- beginning this year you'll be able to deduct out of pocket medical expenses if they exceed 10% of your gross adjusted income (if you're under 65).

Previously it was 7.5% of AGI.  Enjoy the warm, fuzzy feeling you'll get from having a higher deductible while also being able to deduct less of it.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (SY2Kh)

159 My understanding, which you guys are telling is incorrect, is that hospice is the care provided and is assigned to where you are when the requirements for hospice arise That is incorrect. Well, more accurately: it is not *entirely* correct. That's a determination which is made when hospice care is determined as being necessary. If you're at home, the preference is for you to stay home, but other factors can influence that and have you moved to a facility.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (PYAXX)

160 When Bush was President the MFM showcased war casualties. Since Ofucknut took office not so much. If the GOP was anything like what it claims to be, it would cite the names every day on TV. They get on TV all the fucking time, but they do not rock the boat. They like the boat. They just want better accommodations.

Posted by: eman at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (EWsrI)

161 @131

He wasn't just a pussy which would have been bad enough, he re-wrote the fucking law as presented to him.

He has no business being on the Supreme Court let alone being it's Chief Justice.

To say he has been a disappointment is an understatement.


Posted by: Kreplach at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (Xkr8I)

162 Or is tolerance and public good a one way street? In a land where laws and their enforcement are completely arbitrary? Yes.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (V3kRK)

163 Honestly, the $12,700 deductibles are completely absurd, especially since the insurance won't even cover a doctors visit til you hit our it. These plans are basically super crazy expensive catastrophic plans.

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (hFL/3)

164 Is this a repeat from last month? Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 03, 2014 02:15 PM (/Crba) Nope...second person. For the second time in as many weeks, an official associated with Cover Oregon, the state’s troubled health-care exchange, has resigned. Executive director Rodney King submitted his resignation earlier this week after a month of medical leave In his letter, King explained that stepping down was “not an easy decision,” but cited the uncertainty of his health as his main reason. His resignation will go into effect in March when his medical leave ends. Despite the set October 1 launch date, Cover Oregon does not yet have a functioning online exchange and has been exclusively operating with paper applications for enrollees. Cover Oregon and state officials have come under fire for the program’s woes, prompting the Oregon Health Authority’s chief information officer, who was tasked with building the online exchange, to step down in December.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (bCEmE)

165 Funny piece by Sailer http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/hot-high-tech-startup-ideas-of-2014.html In recent years, Silicon Valley fortunes have been made by taking yesterday's depressing ways to eke out a few bucks -- taking in lodgers, hacking a gypsy cab, selling your possessions, etc. -- and giving them a 21st Century gloss. For example, Lyft and Uber would appear to be taxicab companies that employ you to use your own car, not theirs, to pick up strangers and drive them around. But Uber spokespersons deny that, explaining that Uber is actually a "ride-sharing smartphone app," so it's, like, awesome. Plus, Uber has an ironic name. Similarly, airBnB enables you to turn your home into a boarding house. But, while you are scrubbing the toilet after your latest paying guest has departed, you can console yourself that some guys in Silicon Valley have made a fortune off this, so it's actually much more glamorous and buzzworthy than it might appear at the moment from your perspective (on your knees in front of your second bathroom's toilet bowl).

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:18 AM (ZPrif)

166 Zero deductible equals system crash & burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 02:17 PM (qc7at)


Deductibles are RACIST!

Posted by: LIV puttin you some effin knowledge, YOLO at January 03, 2014 10:19 AM (BF+2f)

167 I signed up. What do you mean I have to 'pay?' -LIV Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2014 02:09 PM (fWAjv I was getting ready to post that. Great minds and all that shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:19 AM (0FSuD)

168 >>Was he there already when hospice assigned? My understanding, which you guys are telling is incorrect, is that hospice is the care provided and is assigned to where you are when the requirements for hospice arise. I have not ever experienced someone being transferred from their home to a facility to be cared by hospice. It depends on the condition of the patient, coverage, and health options in the area. My dad was ill for a long time, in and out of the hospital, and when it was determined that there was nothing left to be done he was transferred from the hospital to the hospice. We, my family, made the decision to go to hospice after many, many conversations with the doctors and because of his condition it was determined that the facility was a better place for the kind of care he needed. We were there with him the entire time and the nurses and aides who ran the place were incredibly kind and thoughtful to my dad and to all of my family.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 10:19 AM (g1DWB)

169 Executive director Rodney King submitted his resignation earlier this week after a month of medical leave Rodney King????? I guess we all couldn't just get along.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:19 AM (yz6yg)

170 Is this a repeat from last month?

Last month it was Minnesota.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2014 10:19 AM (SY2Kh)

171 but other factors can influence that and have you moved to a facility.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:18 PM (PYAXX)

ProTip:  Don't get moved to a facility.

just die in a ditch is my first choice over that.

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (x3YFz)

172 eman, for years I thought the GOP was just lazy and out-maneuvered. But now I know they're on board with all of it.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (SnFIT)

173 If you're at home, the preference is for you to stay home, but other factors can influence that and have you moved to a facility.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:18 PM (PYAXX)

 

don't disagree that you are correct,  but as I said,  I have not ever seen it occur in the many cases I've dealt with. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (m2CN7)

174 Deductibles are RACIST! Posted by: LIV puttin you some effin knowledge, YOLO at January 03, 2014 02:19 PM (BF+2f) I think the Deductibles opened fo Van Halen at Cal Jam 1.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (XIxXP)

175 Executive director Rodney King submitted his resignation earlier this week after a month of medical leave Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (V3kRK)

176 It took less time to authorize a standdown when Ambassador Stevens needed fucking combat support.

Thanks, Obama!

Posted by: Fritz at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (UzPAd)

177 170 Is this a repeat from last month? Last month it was Minnesota. --- I thought the same thing happened in Oregon, along with the state's CIO for being a fucking bonehead who said "We can do it in-house for cheap!"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 03, 2014 10:20 AM (/Crba)

178 I like the Lyft idea. Not for me, but people should be able to earn a few bucks driving their own cars if they can. The Taxi medallion racket is obscene.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 10:21 AM (ZshNr)

179 New 2014 Apps: Chim Chim Cher-ee -- Are there any small boys hanging around your house, not earning their keep? They probably don't mind getting dirty, right? Are they skinny and good at climbing? Just enter their maximum diameters into this app and soon they'll be rising to new heights in a time-honored career for boys. Slave -- Credit card minimum payments getting you down? Mortgage lender threatening to repossess your home? Now you'll never have to worry about money again! Just download the new Slave app and sell yourself (or a family member) into slavery. It's a state of the art rendition of a time-tested solution to financial concerns. Just enter a few details about yourself (e.g., good teeth, strong back, poor map-reading skills) and the auction begins! Thousands of oil sheiks, Mauretanian camel drivers, and UN diplomats are bidding constantly. A few taps on your cell phone screen and you'll have food and lodging provided to you forever! And note that Slave has to be good for you because it has an ironic name. Or does it? Perhaps the name is meta-ironic, which sounds even better ... In any case, you'll never know until you try! Biens -- You know how in Frank Capra movies hobos are always huddled around campfires, morosely eating from cans of beans? Sure, back then the media made it look kind of sad, but Average Is Over. Now that you have a smartphone to provide 24/7 video entertainment, who needs to eat meat or live indoors? Biens the App opens the door to you and the rest of the Ninety Percent to become high-tech hobos. Imagine you and your loved ones huddled around your glowing smartphone watching Mad Men as you all cluck condescendingly at how Americans used to eat steak and live in houses while barely noticing the horrifying truth about life in America in 1960: they only had three networks to watch. Biens is the lifestyle for the 21st Century, a new (yet old) way of living that's both luminous and leguminous. (Actual beans for eating sold separately.)

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:21 AM (ZPrif)

180 "Wait until the LIV get schooled on the meaning of Deductible."

That'll happen shortly after Schwalbe gets schooled on the fact that the LIV is genetically incapable of learning about deductables or damn near anything that  you couldn't otherwise teach a dog.

Actually, I'd expect most of the LIVs I know to piss on my carpet before I would my  dogs.

Posted by: Jaws at January 03, 2014 10:21 AM (4I3Uo)

181 Rememer when the Donks said the Rethug health plan was don't get sick?  Good timers.  Good times.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:21 AM (Hx5uv)

182 Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 02:20 PM (V3kRK) *ahem* ::: points to 169 ::: Type faster. ;-)

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:21 AM (yz6yg)

183 C'mon, guys. We're buying poi.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (t25XY)

184 161 Kreplach at January 03, 2014 02:18 PM (Xkr8I)

Oh it's worse....he didn't just "change the law" he invented whole cloth an entire new goddamned legal theory that says using the tax code as compulsion to engage in economic activity is just ducky...

There is no reason the feds cannot force you to buy a windmill for your domicile.

None.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (TE35l)

185 A debt ceiling increase is about to happen in the next few days. Expect it to occur with nary a mention from the Republicans or the Media.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (SnFIT)

186 De-duck-table? Isn't that where those rayciss Duck Dynasty h8ers eat dinner? On de duck table? Ooh look, Beyonce is on The View (waves to Beyonce)

Posted by: The LIVs at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (7ObY1)

187

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 02:19 PM (g1DWB)

 

That has been my  feedback from the  families I've dealt with also.

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (m2CN7)

188 I gotcha. She pushed the "mom" button. steady. Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 02:15 PM (x3YFz) Understood. End of life stuff is always raw. My great grandfather died of complications from a severely abscessed tooth. We're fairly certain that when the doc did the surgery to clean everything out, he cut a nerve or something in his neck. GG went in being able to swallow his food just fine, came out not being able to really at all. Any slight mention of that doc's name sends my grandfather into a rage.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (JpFMR)

189 BTW, I hope everybody stocked up on 60w and 40w      incandescants before Wednesday.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (AX3vC)

190 those are from that Sailer piece, of course. http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/hot-high-tech-startup-ideas-of-2014.html

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:22 AM (ZPrif)

191 don't disagree that you are correct, but as I said, I have not ever seen it occur in the many cases I've dealt with. I worked handling Predetermination of Benefits, DME disposition, and Exemption reviews for the Texas Health Insurance Risk Pool. We saw a lot of Hospice requests come through Pre-D. Also (on the level of it never being not-funny that ace banned himself from his own blog) a dude who OD'd on Pot.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:23 AM (PYAXX)

192 My mom was in a hospice home for her last few weeks. It was a good place, and they generally took good care of her, EXCEPT that it was hard to get enough painkillers. That is a big exception. I blame the war on drugs more than the hospice workers. The rules are very strict.

At one point, I asked if she wanted to dip into her secret stash, and she said YES to that. We had some Dilaudid set aside, thank goodness.

The place was $300 a day.

Posted by: qrstuv at January 03, 2014 10:23 AM (PwzQ6)

193 And ever since I read this story and linked it this morning I have smelled a rat.  This woman went to an ER with chest pains.  They would not have turned her around or allowed her to leave regardless of the status of insurance.


I suspect that she really had no symptoms. When I went in with my heart attack after I finally got through all the illegals blocking the admittance desk I was back with doctors and nurses immediately.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 03, 2014 10:23 AM (T2V/1)

194 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 03, 2014 02:21 PM (yz6yg) I even refreshed before posting to make sure somebody else hadn't already hit it.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 10:23 AM (V3kRK)

195

It's not about the (very serious, pathetic, inexcusable, and in a sane political world catastrophic) website problems, or enrollment glitches, or these sorts of stories in the first week of the New Order.

 

It's not about the (very serious, pathetic, inexcusable, and in a sane political world catastrophic) website problems, or enrollment glitches, or these sorts of stories in the first week of the New Order.

 

It's not about the (very serious, pathetic, inexcusable, and in a sane political world catastrophic) website problems, or enrollment glitches, or these sorts of stories in the first week of the New Order.

 

Now that we're clear on that.

 

It's about an electorate so dumbed down, so lazy, or so shamelessly short-sighted and selfish that the best medical care system in the world, with ridiculous and easily solved self-imposed financial and economic distortions, could be assaulted with 10X the level of the same state-centered pathologies (federal and state).  It's about the degradation of the insurance industry into an Argentine-style rent-seeking collaborating cartel.  It's about the complete absence of a political opposition that can be taken seriously.

 

It's about a shortage - a desperate, probably fatal shortage - of people in America who are, in any historically substantively meaningful sense, Americans.

 

Posted by: non-purist at January 03, 2014 10:23 AM (afQnV)

196 174 Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 03, 2014 02:20 PM (XIxXP)

I remember when deductibles was still a hot thing....

the E-surance Gal opened for the Deductibles back in '03

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:23 AM (TE35l)

197 178 I like the Lyft idea. Not for me, but people should be able to earn a few bucks driving their own cars if they can. Great idea, wait till you are injured in his car and his insurance does not cover paid trips. Yours won't either. You will be fucked.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:24 AM (0FSuD)

198 Roberts was supposed to be the smart pick after Miers pissed off Republicans.  Sigh...

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 03, 2014 10:24 AM (qiXMt)

199 Barack Obama and Rosanna Arquette star in DESPERATELY SEEKING SURGERY

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 10:24 AM (t25XY)

200 167 I signed up. What do you mean I have to 'pay?'

-LIV

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2014 02:09 PM (fWAjv

I was getting ready to post that. Great minds and all that shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 02:19 PM (0FSuD)

It's fun and sad all at the same time, watching this.  I'm gonna go with the raised right eybrow and soft chuckle at the stupid people.

We'll deal with the alternatives and fallout later.  For now?  I'm enjoying watching the next episode of "Voting Has Consequences."

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:24 AM (x3YFz)

201 Sure, Americans increasingly live poorer lives and can't afford meat or good dental care ... but they can binge watch Breaking Bad just like the ruling class!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:24 AM (ZPrif)

202 I thought the same thing happened in Oregon, along with the state's CIO for being a fucking bonehead who said "We can do it in-house for cheap!"

Ah.  Last month the Minnesota Exectutive Director of 'MNSure' (the MN exchange) also resigned. 

That she scheduled (and went on) a Caribbean vacation during the disasterous Obamacare rollout did not go over very well.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2014 10:25 AM (SY2Kh)

203 Funny piece by Sailer Yeah, there's some truth to what he said. The startups certainly sell an image of new cool and hip. However, under their glossy coating, and despite Sailer's cynicism, what the apps really are doing is making capitalism work. It's just better ways to distribute resources. I had an idea for a business to resell baby clothing. Sure, babies do gross things to their clothes, but they don't usually wear them out. So wash them up and pass them on. That was until I found out baby clothes are hard to source, because people already save and share them with friends and family. Most of these apps are the same thing, but with a wider pool of users.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:25 AM (9PrpA)

204 Zero deductible equals system crash & burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 02:17 PM (qc7at)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

So......what's the problem? 

Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy and the FSA hordes at January 03, 2014 10:25 AM (XAwim)

205 It's still a tax yo!

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at January 03, 2014 10:26 AM (q+zA9)

206 I like the Lyft idea. Not for me, but people should be able to earn a few bucks driving their own cars if they can. Those Rapey people would love that opportunity.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 03, 2014 10:26 AM (XIxXP)

207 That's one of the risks. Like I said, it's not for me.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 10:26 AM (ZshNr)

208 Oops, wrong doctor visit for that last post.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 03, 2014 10:26 AM (T2V/1)

209 **NOTE TO SELF-- finish business plan for the Home Tonsil Lopping and Vajayjay Bedazzling Kit™ Relurk

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 10:26 AM (g4TxM)

210 OK, OT. What in the fuck is with the Podcast audio?? Worse than usual.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:26 AM (JpFMR)

211 12 I am so incredibly happy that we found Christian Healhcare Ministries. I don't even want to think about what we would have done if we hadn't. What a freaking scoamf. Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 01:55 PM (hFL/3) Lauren, I checked them out along with three others. I ended up enrolling in one of them and am very pleased with the money we are saving.

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (Bs5ky)

212 BTW, I hope everybody stocked up on 60w and 40w incandescants before Wednesday. I plan on burning LIV's for light.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (qc7at)

213 Posted by: Lester at January 03, 2014 02:13 PM (2UPXV) the REAL kicker will be the deductible stuff... How in the hell is a Doctor's office know if you have met your deductible or not? How can they even give you a CLUE about what your out of pocket expenses will be?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (lZBBB)

214 What in the fuck is with the Podcast audio?? Worse than usual. The technical producer was drunk.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (PYAXX)

215 I blame the Tea Party

Posted by: Mitch McConnell [/i] [/b] at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (5ikDv)

216 I thought my mom was 1 foot in the grave (2 years ago) and through an unfortunate set of events, she was in a hospice. *** I was Blessed to deal with incredible nurses and staff when my mother was in Hospice Care. I am so sorry that your experience was so terrible.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (DmNpO)

217 @200 Yeah, the brothers bought into "Free Health Care". They have been going the ER already, so they know about Free Health Care. Now, they have to sign up and pay to get the policy and wait for a rebate. They are not going to be pleased. Course OFA will send out paid, by us, "helpers" to help them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:27 AM (0FSuD)

218 I plan on burning LIV's for light. Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 02:27 PM (qc7at) It's best to render the oil and use a lamp.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 03, 2014 10:28 AM (XIxXP)

219 I read one web article about the Lyft experience. But I saw a funny Conan O'Brien YouTube video and that piqued my curiosity. Can't link, easily search able. Ice Cube was in it, too.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 10:28 AM (ZshNr)

220 The alternatively moralled people have been doing something similar for years.  They steal your car an rent it out to the vbums and addicts for a modest6 fee.  They get cash.  Addicts get transportation.  Everybody wins. Well, except for you.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:28 AM (Hx5uv)

221 Posted by: Guy in Texas at January 03, 2014
My understanding of the deductibles is that only the approved charge (say $160 for an Xray) of an in network hospital (was this one even in this person's network?) of the 80% that the insurer would pay of this particular plan for this service of which the patient would be responsible for the other 20% upfront in cold hard cash on the spot, plus a co-pay of some determined amount of say $60 per service, would apply to this plans $5500 deductible. So $160 minus 80% is $124 minus $60 co-pay is $64 towards the $5500 annual deductible. So if they can prove they have insurance, AND paid the monthly premium, and are an in plan provider, they would have to shell out $160 for the XRay. This is just one part of the ER bill which would have physician services, medication, etc. The providers have no intention of getting stuck with un-paid deadbeat bills. And getting mad and storming out is not going to get people care but it may make them stop paying the premiums.

Posted by: Lester at January 03, 2014 10:29 AM (2UPXV)

222 BTW, I hope everybody stocked up on 60w and 40w incandescants before Wednesday. *** I found a stock of my faves, GE Reveals, at Publix and bought about ten sets. Then promptly returned home and dropped and broke about 1/3 of them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 10:29 AM (DmNpO)

223 Ah. Last month the Minnesota Exectutive Director of 'MNSure' (the MN exchange) also resigned. That she scheduled (and went on) a Caribbean vacation during the disasterous Obamacare rollout did not go over very well. Same with the Maryland director. Went on a Cayman Islands trip during rollout. Resigned.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:29 AM (qc7at)

224 Well, must get the youngen. She volunteers at the future meat market of America. AKA, the humane society.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 03, 2014 10:29 AM (XIxXP)

225 Mindy, glad you were able to find one that worked out for you guys!

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 10:29 AM (hFL/3)

226 I plan on burning LIV's for light. Posted by: rickb223 AKA Nero's stadium lighting.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:29 AM (9PrpA)

227 How in the hell is a Doctor's office know if you have met your deductible or not? How can they even give you a CLUE about what your out of pocket expenses will be We don't care, we going to get their shit one way or another.

Posted by: Da Collection Agency at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (0FSuD)

228 How in the hell is a Doctor's office know if you have met your deductible or not? How can they even give you a CLUE about what your out of pocket expenses will be? They won't. Well... sort of. What happens is this (in private insurance, where this stuff all works): when the office flags you as having a deductible instead of a copay, they call on the day of service to "Verify Benefits." Among other things, they get your total Deductible Amount and Deductible met. They also know (if they're in-network) what their allowed amount for a given service will be. So when you get to the window, they look at the most recent numbers (as of when they made that phone call that morning), and charge you based on that. Which, of course, for the ObamaCare plans means "they won't."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (PYAXX)

229 220 WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 02:28 PM (Hx5uv)

I like the cut of your jib and want to subscribe to your newsletter.....uh need a job in "recovery economics?"

//BHO esq

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (TE35l)

230 The technical producer was drunk. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:27 PM (PYAXX) No shit. Have you listened to it?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (JpFMR)

231 It's best to render the oil and use a lamp. Heh. Reminds me of when I cancelled my Consumer Reports subscription about twenty years ago over some overt communist ecotard bullshit. When they asked me why, I said it was because they downrated tires based on road noise. I guess it would depend on what your definition of "is" "best" is.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (V3kRK)

232 Thank you for calling ObamaCare. Press 1 for Spanish, 2 for English. Your approximate wait time is 2 hours. If you need immediate assistance you're screwed

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (1Jaio)

233 It's not fair – you know

----

Fair????

"Fair" is a hog show in August.  And you dont own any pigs.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (nELVU)

234 I was Blessed to deal with incredible nurses and staff when my mother was in Hospice Care.

I am so sorry that your experience was so terrible.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:27 PM (DmNpO)

Dude.

The doc called me on the phone and advised that they leave the catheter in her so she'd die of a UTI.  He said that.  To me.

Not.  Kidding.

Do I sound like a guy you want to make angry?

Posted by: tangonine at January 03, 2014 10:30 AM (x3YFz)

235 I found a stock of my faves, GE Reveals, at Publix and bought about ten sets. Then promptly returned home and dropped and broke about 1/3 of them. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:29 PM (DmNpO) On the plus side, clean up doesn't involve a hazmat suit, no worries about mercury poisoning and you're not out $100.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 03, 2014 10:31 AM (JpFMR)

236 More Sailer Apps: 3Balls -- Need some quick cash? Why sell your prized possessions on eBay when you can use them as collateral for a loan? This app turns your smartphone into a Pawnshop in Your Pocket! The Dickens -- Can't get a loan because you've gone bankrupt before? Feel like you have no collateral to offer? Don't be so unimaginative! You still have something to put on the line: your physical freedom. In this disruptive twist on the old tried and true motivational technique of debtor's prison, your banker permanently straps your GPS-equipped smartphone to your ankle. If you are late on a payment, your lender activates it and you simply never leave your house until your debts are paid off by your relatives. (When you think about it, don't they owe you?) Comes with a HuluPlus subscription so you can catch up on your Binge TV watching. (What happens if you try to sneak out? That's for us to worry about.)

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:31 AM (ZPrif)

237 Posted by: Lester at January 03, 2014 02:29 PM (2UPXV) Not at all correct... but I'm headed to a meeting and can't 'splain. Later.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 10:32 AM (PYAXX)

238 OT... Can't. stop. laughing. Can't. catch. breath. Call. 911. --> Rt @EW Report: Clay Aiken may run for Congress http://t.co/xRNDqQ1C2P

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 10:32 AM (DmNpO)

239 Sorry you had a bad experience with hospice. At separate times, both of my parents went to a hospice facility for their last few days. The caregivers were tender, compassionate, and respectful. Even though my parents were unconscious, the caregiver addressed them by name, explained what they were doing, and why. I watched one nurse give my Dad some medicine one drop at a time on his tongue. She had to be uncomfortable in that contorted position, but, it was all about him and making him comfortable.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at January 03, 2014 10:32 AM (uCwRt)

240 @221 Not sure if that is correct. BCBS always denied payment of stuff until my deductible was met. I get a $1000 x ray I pay it until my accumulated expenses reach my deductible.

Posted by: Da Collection Agency at January 03, 2014 10:32 AM (0FSuD)

241 It's a clusterfuck, wrapped in incompetence, and stuff inside a chicken. And it's going to get worse. On the Republicans could fail to crush their opponents in this environment.

Posted by: toby928© sobs quietly, but in a manly manner at January 03, 2014 10:33 AM (QupBk)

242 I once tried rendering LIV fat for heat and light. But their fat smells like Funyuns.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 10:33 AM (7ObY1)

243 The website really has nothing to do with the biggest problems with this.  For example, unless the surgery is extremely expensive, with the bronze plan (and huge deductible) the insurance company isn't going to be paying anyway.  The only question will be whether the $$ the patient pays goes against their deductible or not.  Go will the surgery goes well, with regards to Obamacare, the Zajcew's are not going to be happy, at all.

Posted by: dirks strewn at January 03, 2014 10:33 AM (kfcYC)

244

What did that sicko fromt he WaPo say about the Gosnell killing room?

It was just a local small story?

So, that's also what this is! No fucking problem, just an anecdote that is hyped up and blown up by the right wing assassin squad that hates everybody.

Ah, that's better.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunnies at January 03, 2014 10:33 AM (xggaJ)

245 On the plus side, clean up doesn't involve a hazmat suit, no worries about mercury poisoning and you're not out $100. *** The silver lining. I'm going to go buy more today if they still have them in stock.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 10:33 AM (DmNpO)

246 In Soviet Amerika, suck embraces you!

Posted by: Jackoff Smirnoff at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (27KAF)

247 They're going to bill her full freight since there wasn't official authorization.  You know they are.

Posted by: Filly at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (gr/p1)

248 Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at January 03, 2014 02:32 PM (uCwRt) That's the type of experience we had. I can't imagine doing that for a full time job. Takes a special kind.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (g1DWB)

249 Can't. stop. laughing. Can't. catch. breath. Call. 911. --> Rt @EW Report: Clay Aiken may run for Congress Qualifications for higher office? Shut up, wingnutz. He's teh ghey. All that matters is teh gheyness.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (7ObY1)

250 But their fat smells like Funyuns. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 02:33 PM (7ObY1) Huh. Must be a regional thing due to local diet. Here it smells like Cheetos.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (yz6yg)

251 How to be 100% sure of a clusterfuck? Let the Federal Government be in charge

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (nzKvP)

252 off damn sock

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (0FSuD)

253 Can't. stop. laughing. Can't. catch. breath. Call. 911.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:32 PM (DmNpO)


----

♪ da-do-dee♫


"All emergency health care circuits are busy.  Please hang up and try your call again later."

Posted by: fixerupper at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (nELVU)

254 Quoth Glenn at Insty?
"What could go wrong?"

Posted by: backhoe at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (ULH4o)

255 In Soviet Amerika, suck embraces you! --- Unfortunately, not in a good way either.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 03, 2014 10:34 AM (/Crba)

256 243 dirks strewn at January 03, 2014 02:33 PM (kfcYC)

I really do think the operating theory of this clusterfuck is to try to cow the American people into demanding "free healthcare"...the problem is they fucked it up so bad THEY look like the fuckups not the providers....


Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (TE35l)

257 Omni Consumer Products, enhancement droids, Model 209, say everything is one schedule.

Posted by: dick jones at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (Jsiw/)

258 Obamacare is completely fixable, my friendsh.

Sound the Bugle of Bipartisanship!

Posted by: Senator John McCain [/i] [/b] at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (5ikDv)

259 Only the Republicans could fail to crush their opponents in this environment. *from a submissive position on the floor* "Can I have some blow now, Mr Reid?" --Boehner

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (9PrpA)

260 Did ya hear about the dying man, at home, on his death bed? The family is all gathered around, awaiting the inevitable. Finally, the family grew weary of waiting and the mom went downstairs to the kitchen to bake some chocolate chip cookies. The family followed her. The smell of the cookies wafted upstairs to the dying man. With all of his remaining strength, he pulled himself out of bed. He struggled downstairs, made it to the kitchen. As he reached for a warm cookie his wife saidÂ… "GET AWAY from those! They are for the Funeral!"

Posted by: navybrat at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (AW7Gr)

261 163 Honestly, the $12,700 deductibles are completely absurd . . . These plans are basically super crazy expensive catastrophic plans. Posted by: Lauren Do you want that not to be an option?

Posted by: m at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (omrQI)

262 250 Sean Bannion at January 03, 2014 02:34 PM (yz6yg)

Wow it's the same here in Cali....

//Jharles Chonson esq

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (TE35l)

263 Yeah, until your relatives decide that you have been alive too long and give you a big dose of morphine to end it. Until that part. Hospice might be about palliative care, but they are just as much about euthanasia. Where/when did you run into this experience? I was pretty much begging for a big dose of morphine for my father in PA in 97. They wouldn't go there. When his feeding tube clogged we were allowed to starve him to death. A megadose of something would have been so much more humane.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 03, 2014 10:35 AM (1xUj/)

264 Rt @EW Report: Clay Aiken may run for Congress Qualifications for higher office? Expressive. Wrists.

Posted by: garrett at January 03, 2014 10:36 AM (t25XY)

265 Have a relative going to hospice now. She will do home hospice until she's in too bad of shape and needs 24/7 care, then she will transferred to a hospice facility.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:36 AM (ZPrif)

266 "A debt ceiling increase is about to happen in the next few days. Expect it to occur with nary a mention from the Republicans or the Media."

And a great big thanks to Paul Ryan for that.

The Beltway GOP completely panicked over the last debt fight -- after a bunch of wildly skewed polls showed they were being blamed for it -- and they folded like cheap card tables.

Their current excuse is, "Well, if we have another debt fight, it'll take Obamacare off the front pages. It would do Obama a favor."

Bullshit. The media aren't putting Obamacare on the front pages anyway. Not with genuinely critical coverage. What coverage there is of Obamacare is reliably of the "ironing out a few glitches" type.

There is a general rule of life that the more and different problems you can pile up on your adversary's plate at any one time, the better. It impedes their ability to react. Remember the old toast? "Confusion to our enemies!"

The Beltway GOP's new rule is "Clarity and simplicity to our enemies!"

Posted by: torquewrench at January 03, 2014 10:36 AM (gqT4g)

267

>>I have not ever experienced someone being transferred from their home to a facility to be cared by hospice.

.

.

.My cousin was in Ohio a few years back.

Posted by: Registered Voter at January 03, 2014 10:36 AM (MZGhy)

268 257 Omni Consumer Products, enhancement droids, Model 209, say everything is one schedule. --- I had a guaranteed military sale of ED-209! Renovation program, spare parts for 25 years. WHO CARES IF IT WORKED?!?

Posted by: Dick Jones at January 03, 2014 10:37 AM (/Crba)

269

>>>----ô da-do-dee♫

 

doo-WAHHH!

Nothing gets to you playing fresh, playing cool - with Mentos fresh and full of life!!1!

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 10:37 AM (3ZtZW)

270 Dude. The doc called me on the phone and advised that they leave the catheter in her so she'd die of a UTI. He said that. To me. Not. Kidding. Do I sound like a guy you want to make angry? *** Good God. I remember having the conversation with the Hospice nurses as well as with those at the nursing home where she resided and it was clear that they would not try extreme measures to save her life at that point but that issues such as infections or a choking event would be promptly tended to. It seems you had a nightmare experience. I am, again, so sorry you and your mother had to endure such a place and such people.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 10:37 AM (DmNpO)

271 I read one web article about the Lyft experience. But I saw a funny Conan O'Brien YouTube video and that piqued my curiosity. Can't link, easily search able. Ice Cube was in it, too.

Posted by: Lincolntf

heheh, yes, funny if you like man-on-the-street type skits.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 03, 2014 10:37 AM (dwArK)

272 BTW, I hope everybody stocked up on 60w and 40w incandescants before Wednesday. Yup, got a supply of 60w and 100w on the way to my front door. Won't last forever, but maybe I'll be able to postpone going blind for a few more years.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 03, 2014 10:38 AM (080XV)

273 @267 All things considered, I'd rather be in hospice.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 10:38 AM (ZshNr)

274 273 @267 All things considered, I'd rather be in hospice. --- Ah... Michigan fan, huh?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 03, 2014 10:39 AM (/Crba)

275 ER, let's leave the hospice shit alone. I am depressed enough thinking about Barack still being our President. Have I talked to you about Herba Life?

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:39 AM (0FSuD)

276 Honestly, the $12,700 deductibles are completely absurd
-
It's like not having insurance and paying for it, too.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (Hx5uv)

277 Yep. It's pretty bad.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (it9Mu)

278 Who wants to discuss tax policy?

Posted by: Justice John Roberts at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (q+zA9)

279 M, hell no. A $12,700 deductible catastrophic plan should cost $100/month, unsubsidized. Now those plans cost $400/month. Obama skewed the market. Those $400 plans should not exist, and wouldnt if not for our God King.

Posted by: Lauren at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (hFL/3)

280 How many morons does it take to change a light bulb?

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (3ZtZW)

281 Fixing this is going to take every White male Ivy League legacy admission we've got. We need to begin mobilizing now.

Posted by: Katzenbach and the Duke of Earl, they were friends of mine at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (G7Yr9)

282 I like how a racist like Ice Cube gets to become a cuddly celebrity. First he gets rich with songs about the joy of murdering white people, then he gets even richer making family movies and endorsing Sprite.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:40 AM (ZPrif)

283

'It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.'


HAH!

 

And like we all    were saying, sweetheart -- it doesn't matter what the gubmint says.  Insurance companies can't work miracles, and signing up a week before January 1st isn't going to do a damn thing to have your insurance in place by January 1st.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 03, 2014 10:41 AM (4df7R)

284 Talk about a slow news day. Local rag's lede is a story about Downton Abbey TV series.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:41 AM (0FSuD)

285 276 WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 02:40 PM (Hx5uv)

which used to be the joke at some duty stations about the Military's family dental....

I hate it when jokes get passed by reality

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:41 AM (TE35l)

286 You've been cut by--you've been cut by a smooth criminal!

Posted by: Zombie Michael Jackson, DOJ at January 03, 2014 10:41 AM (R6JT1)

287 14 I first read that as "CareFIST"

Posted by: x at January 03, 2014 10:41 AM (b7yum)

288 Honestly, the $12,700 deductibles are completely absurd
-
It's like not having insurance and paying for it, too.


See? It is just like a tax!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts at January 03, 2014 10:42 AM (8ZskC)

289 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 01:59 PM (PYAXX) Last X-ray my wife got had an in network charge for $30. The chargemaster price was over 200 though. The Time article on Chargemasters came to early. Last time I saw a doctor I had to sign a form saying if my insurance was denied I'd pay the chargemaster rate, which is not in anyway mounted in reality. They're using those made up numbers to bludgeon people. I suppose it's their right, although I had more than a few words to say to my friend about Catholic healthcare systems doing it without a second thought.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 03, 2014 10:42 AM (GaqMa)

290 'If it bleeds, we can kill it'

Posted by: Major Muscles at January 03, 2014 10:42 AM (omBWL)

291 Obama did say to take a pain pill instead of having surgery back in 2009

Posted by: Mark E at January 03, 2014 10:42 AM (w5RwR)

292 I guess Bill Ayers hasn't had his insurance cancelled. Are all the people who "just lived in the neighborhood" with Obama but just happen to share all his politics exempt too? I am not a violent person but everytime I see Ayers face the lesser angel of my nature momentarily feels like punching his lights out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 10:42 AM (BC6cY)

293 I have not ever experienced someone being transferred from their home to a facility to be cared by hospice.
.
.
.My cousin was in Ohio a few years back.

Posted by: Registered Voter at January 03, 2014 02:36 PM (MZGhy)

 

Another nail in my large anecdotal experience.   If I would have thought about all my cases , I would have realized that in every case, a relative was available to be at the home also  so a transfer to a facility was not necessary.   

Posted by: polynikes at January 03, 2014 10:43 AM (m2CN7)

294 In either case reported on at Daily Mail, the patients would have been responsible for meeting the deductible first even if they had insurance cards. So a reasonable compromise would look something like this -- You pay the full cost of the xray ($500)or initial admittance for chest pain ($3k) and if you can bring in proof of insurance later, we will submit your bill to the insurer to see you get credit towards your deductible amount or we will refund any overpayment if the insurer sends any dough.
 
But I have the feeling they were expecting free. Tch, tch.
 
I mentioned yesterday that it would be intereting to finally see some enrollment numbers with age breakdown and Medicaid to private plan info. A guy at conservativeintel (h/t BadBlue) did just that from Kentucky 2013 released info:
 
http://tinyurl.com/nm77gho
 
The numbers are on age breakdowns and are bad bad bad; he had to work to extract the age data from their raw data so give him credit. One quick number -- for ages 18-35 the gubmint needs about 40% of total signups; it was around 20%. Ruh roh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 03, 2014 10:43 AM (cHZB7)

295 195? non-purist?

It's about an electorate so dumbed down, so lazy, or so shamelessly short-sighted and selfish that the best medical care system in the world, with ridiculous and easily solved self-imposed financialand economicdistortions, could be assaulted with 10X the level of the same state-centered pathologies (federal and state). It's  degradation of the insurance industryinto an Argentine-style rent-seekingcollaborating cartel. It's about the complete absence of a political opposition that can be taken seriously.

This^ "The Marching Morons" was prophecy. Damn it all....

Posted by: backhoe at January 03, 2014 10:43 AM (ULH4o)

296 Remember the good ole days when lefty reporters started every news cast with the "pain at the pump" segments?  Yeah, those disappeared after the One took office.  Now the sombitches are going to boycott   any negative stories about the real life impact of 404care.  And where  is the GOP's press conferences trotting out real people who are being totally screwed with life and death matters?  Pitchforks for all the somebitches!!!

Posted by: Havedash at January 03, 2014 10:43 AM (gvqyH)

297 People actually pay this douche nozzle:

http://tinyurl.com/n4x8x6b

Best racket everrrrr.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 10:43 AM (BZAd3)

298

Ace wrote, "And it took a UK paper to report this story..."

The American press will never gain its credibility back. Ever.

 

And that's the big story of the last several years, the biggest story: the complete subversion and perversion of the once great and free American press to the service of the State. The reason most people have missed this biggest of stories is fairly self-evident.  We hear about it second-hand, from Fleet Street in the UK.

 

Personally, I get the sense we are in the penultimate act of a great national tragedy. What happens in the next act, the last act, is anyone's guess, but in Shakespearean tragedies, just about everyone dies in the last act except for that one guy left standing in the middle of the carnage whose job it is to explain what it all means.  If that one guy still standing is an American reporter, everything that comes out of his mouth is a self-serving lie.

Posted by: troyriser at January 03, 2014 10:44 AM (gNlvW)

299 Wow, new organization to rival the Boy Scouts started this year. theblaze Trail Life USA The idea for the organization came last September in Nashville, when 1,200 former scout masters, Eagle Scouts, parents, church leaders and other former professions with the Boy Scouts of America form 44 states gathered. The Trail Life USA membership standards for the organization includes, “The basis for the program’s ethical and moral standards is found in the Bible. In terms of sexual identification and behavior, we affirm that any sexual activity outside the context of the covenant of marriage between one man and one woman is sinful before God and therefore inconsistent with the values and principles of the program.” they will be under fire constantly

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 10:44 AM (IXrOn)

300 The silver lining.

I'm going to go buy more today if they still have them in stock.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:33 PM (DmNpO)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

I'm just resigned  to the fact that, at some point, I'm going to have to start buying the shitty alternatives.  So I've  decided to buy the expensive LED's and get it over with.  I've heard they last a long time.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 10:44 AM (XAwim)

301 Found this as comment on the Sailer bit: Career opportunities for 2020 and beyond: --Regional warlord --Minions of above --Grand Inquisitor --Harem eunuch --Itinerant firearms manufacture and repair --Gold assayer --Distiller of adult beverages --Bandit chief --Slave overseer --Slave hunter --Rat-catcher --Tax collector --Diversity manager

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 10:45 AM (ZPrif)

302 Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at January 03, 2014 10:45 AM (8ZskC)

303 Scandi Lutheran preacher eats to much lukefisk and becomes a sex addict. http://tinyurl.com/nywgypz Like I said, slow news day.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:45 AM (0FSuD)

304 Alright. Alright. Let's get this party started.

Fuzzy.

http://tinyurl.com/kma76c7

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 03, 2014 10:45 AM (Hx5uv)

305 I asked this question on Tuesday but no one answered.... Was Dec. 31st the last day to BUY incandescent light bulbs or the last day they would be manufactured but existing stock would still be sold?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 03, 2014 10:45 AM (bCEmE)

306 "Last X-ray my wife got had an in network charge for $30. The chargemaster price was over 200 though."

Paid CIHUF (cash in hand up front) for an X-ray two years ago.

$45.

And no insurance paperwork for me to wrangle.

This differential pricing crap is one of the biggest problems with American medicine.


Posted by: torquewrench at January 03, 2014 10:46 AM (gqT4g)

307 I'm very familiar with that INOVA Healthplex in Springfield.  I'd wager good money those interviewed were illegals.

Posted by: MacGruber at January 03, 2014 10:46 AM (S+el1)

308 the expensive LED's and get it over with. I've heard they last a long time.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 02:44 PM (XAwim)

 

 

I've had good luck with LED's

I've never had to replace a LED and we have some that are 5 years old.

 

 

Posted by: Refresh Data at January 03, 2014 10:46 AM (q+zA9)

309 I'm just resigned to the fact that, at some point, I'm going to have to start buying the shitty alternatives. So I've decided to buy the expensive LED's and get it over with. I've heard they last a long time.


You'll find that after a while, submission gets easier.  Best to start with the light bulbs and work up to the hard stuff.

Posted by: The East Germans at January 03, 2014 10:46 AM (8ZskC)

310 If you say anything about this, you will lose the independents.

Posted by: Steve Schmidt for Brains, brilliant GOP consultant at January 03, 2014 10:46 AM (G7Yr9)

311 $12,700 deductibles are completely absurd

I'm thinking that's a feature rather than a bug

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:47 AM (70Unk)

312 People actually pay this douche nozzle:

http://tinyurl.com/n4x8x6b

Best racket everrrrr.

-

The creases! The creases!

Posted by: David Brooks at January 03, 2014 10:47 AM (Hx5uv)

313 310 Steve Schmidt for Brains, brilliant GOP consultant at January 03, 2014 02:46 PM (G7Yr9)

It's unamerican to question imperial power....

//G Washington esq

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:48 AM (TE35l)

314 Waiting for the other Obamacare shoe to fall? Odds are it will be a loafer.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 10:48 AM (g4TxM)

315 I am not a violent person but everytime I see Ayers face the lesser angel of my nature momentarily feels like punching his lights out.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 02:42 PM (BC6cY)

 

 

----------------------------------------

 

 

Your nature's lesser angel is much  kinder than my nature's lesser angel.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 10:48 AM (XAwim)

316

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 02:45 PM (ZPrif)

 

I'm going to be the weapons expert

Posted by: Refresh Data at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (q+zA9)

317 So when people start dying from being denied care - and maybe its already begun - can we start yapping about Grim Milestones, etc? Becoz it does seem effective for the LIVs, distasteful as it is.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (3ZtZW)

318 306 "This differential pricing crap is one of the biggest problems with American medicine." No it isn't. It is, at most, an inconvenience. The government is biggest problem with American medicine.

Posted by: Katzenbach and the Duke of Earl, they were friends of mine at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (G7Yr9)

319 Good News: Everyone has insurance Bad News: Nobody takes insurance.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (0LHZx)

320

Is Barry still on his little vacation?

he is, aw that's so pleasant and nice, I hope he is having a great time doing nothing, except lounging about being a lazy shiftless idiot.

Just like he is in the WH.

Hi police state, thank you very much.


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunnies at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (xggaJ)

321 >>I'm just resigned to the fact that, at some point, I'm going to have to start buying the shitty alternatives. So I've decided to buy the expensive LED's and get it over with. I've heard they last a long time. Bought a few of them a couple weeks ago. Each 60W equivalent was $7 at Home Depot, they have a deal with the local utility that is subsidizing some of the cost. They are definitely brighter and they are supposed to last for 10 years and they use less energy. We'll see. I have LEDs on my boat and they are on year 5 with no issues. I actually like the LEDs but I don't like that I have had the choice taken away from me.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (g1DWB)

322 I'm going to try those IUDs...I mean LEDs. I've heard they will have a short life under restrictive shades though. They overheat apparently.

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (1Y+hH)

323 I've never had to replace a LED and we have some that are 5 years old.

Their internal ballasts will probably be the failure mode.  I find the extended lifetime claims not credible for this reason. 

The LED device itself  will be fine, but the ballasts will die.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:49 AM (70Unk)

324 >>>>It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.>>>>

Jeepers. Sorry about that. It'sd not like you weren't warned that Obama and everything connected with him is utter shit.

Hope everything works out. Keep smiling!

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (TJw7K)

325 Posted by: Tami at January 03, 2014 02:45 PM (bCEmE) Can't manufacture, selling is fine.

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (1Y+hH)

326 I think you can still buy whatever is on the shelves. When those blubs are gone, that's it. Amazon is still selling them.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (0FSuD)

327 315 Soona at January 03, 2014 02:48 PM (XAwim)

http://youtu.be/1Zzg3UP-x8k

Oh Bill...I love you so much....

//Kathy Bates in Misery

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (TE35l)

328

Career opportunities for 2020 and beyond:
--Regional warlord
--Minions of above
--Grand Inquisitor
--Harem eunuch
--Itinerant firearms manufacture and repair
--Gold assayer
--Distiller of adult beverages
--Bandit chief
--Slave overseer
--Slave hunter
--Rat-catcher
--Tax collector
--Diversity manager

 

================

 

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, eh?

What's the career exit for a Diversity Manager?

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (3ZtZW)

329 everytime I see Ayers face the lesser angel of my nature momentarily feels like punching his lights out. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 02:42 PM (BC6cY) ***** Heh. Apparently AoSHQ works its inexorable magic even on our most level-headed commenters.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (g4TxM)

330 156 Wait until the LIV get schooled on the meaning of Deductible. I guess 0 deductible will be the next mandate from our lord Barack. Zero deductible equals system crash & burn. Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 02:17 PM (qc7at) ____________ Most LIVs won't have a deductible. Those $5K deductibles only apply to evil rich people. Someone making $25K a year not only pays virtually nothing for insurance, he also has virtually no deductible and no copays too.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 03, 2014 10:50 AM (0LHZx)

331 they will be under fire constantly Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 02:44 PM (IXrOn)


Already are. I heard some interview soundbites, a lady compared the new Boy Scout laws to Don't Ask Don't Tell and excoriated the scouts for it. No time to celebrate the gay scouts being let in, they have already moved on to the next hurdle to take down...

Posted by: LIV puttin you some effin knowledge, YOLO at January 03, 2014 10:51 AM (BF+2f)

332 The numbers are on age breakdowns and are bad bad bad; he had to work to extract the age data from their raw data so give him credit. One quick number -- for ages 18-35 the gubmint needs about 40% of total signups Why did they count 18-26 yr olds? They should only be counting 27-35 yr olds.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 10:51 AM (qc7at)

333 I'm still finding 60W and 40W's on store shelves, they can still sell what they have in stock until they are gone. Snapping up as many as I can find.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 10:51 AM (7ObY1)

334 "So I've decided to buy the expensive LED's and get it over with. I've heard they last a long time."

Small print leads to big trouble.

On the LED bulb package, in big splashy print: LASTS THIRTY YEARS!

On the back, in tiny whispering type: one year warranty.

My general experience with consumer products is that it's fairly rare on average for them to live longer than 1.5x warranty life.

Also: I bought an LED bulb 60w equivalent for the low, low bargain price of $11.

It flickers when on a dimmer. Badly. Yay.

Thanks again, Republican Party and George W. Bush! Great fucking job!

Posted by: torquewrench at January 03, 2014 10:51 AM (gqT4g)

335 In the glorious Obamacare future I think the experience Tangonine had with hospice services will become the rule, rather than the exception.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 03, 2014 10:51 AM (dfYL9)

336 Is Barry still on his little vacation? he leaves either Monday or Tuesday you guys can have him back

Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 03, 2014 10:51 AM (MX68J)

337 @305

Manufacture and import are now prohibited.

Stocks of bulbs can be sold until there are no more stocks.

Home Depot where I live has been restocking as they are being wiped out of most common bulbs.

I have been also stocking up on vanity and other bulbs as people don't realize these are also part of the ban.

Also those funky vintage edison bulbs are part of the ban so if you like those types of bulbs snag as many as you can because that look cannot be faked by CFL or lead.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 03, 2014 10:52 AM (Xkr8I)

338 Can't manufacture, selling is fine. Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 02:50 PM (1Y+hH) Ok, thanks.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 03, 2014 10:52 AM (bCEmE)

339 Ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb

Duh duh, duh duh duh. Dah NA!~ Dah NA!!
Duh duh, duh duh duh...

Posted by: Tom Cruise in spandex creepin' [/i] [/b] at January 03, 2014 10:52 AM (dwArK)

340 I noticed the lightbulb legislation explicitly exempted left hand thread bulbs (often found in apartment/dorm hallway settings where bulb theft is an issue).

I expect someone will be selling R-L thread adapters soon.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:52 AM (70Unk)

341 318 Katzenbach and the Duke of Earl, they were friends of mine at January 03, 2014 02:49 PM (G7Yr9)

The disrupted clusterfucked price structure was created by:

1) govt interference in the form of medicare and medicaid

2) wage freezes leading to health insurance being a perk rather than insurance

3) the rise of HMOs that refused to pay full price

every time they try to grab the clean piece of shit they find another dirty spot

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:53 AM (TE35l)

342 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 03, 2014 02:50 PM (g4TxM) LOL. I felt that way before I ever came to AceofSpadesHQ. Mea Culpa. mea culpa. mea maxima culpa. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 10:53 AM (BC6cY)

343 Where's the twerking thread?  Did I miss it?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 10:54 AM (BZAd3)

344 Re bill ayers. If I am ever in the same location with him, I will shortly afterward be arrested taken to jail. And I will be happy about it.

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 10:54 AM (1Y+hH)

345 Off to home depot to buy some shit.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 03, 2014 10:54 AM (0FSuD)

346 The numbers are on age breakdowns and are bad bad bad; he had to work to extract the age data from their raw data so give him credit. One quick number -- for ages 18-35 the gubmint needs about 40% of total signups; it was around 20%. Ruh roh.
Posted by: GnuBreed

Deduct for non-payment after signup.  "Invincible" signup rates are ...?

Posted by: mrp at January 03, 2014 10:54 AM (HjPtV)

347 I expect someone will be selling R-L thread adapters soon.

Posted by: Purp at January 03, 2014 02:52 PM (70Unk)

 

 

heavy duty bulbs are exempt also

Posted by: Refresh Data at January 03, 2014 10:54 AM (q+zA9)

348 I signed up. Hope I'm covered. 2014 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code T18.5XXA Foreign body in anus and rectum, initial encounter T18.5XXA is a billable ICD-10-CM code that can be used to specify a diagnosis. ICD-10-CM officially replaces ICD-9-CM on October 1, 2014, therefore, T18.5XXA and all ICD-10-CM diagnosis codes should only be used for training or planning purposes until then.

Posted by: RWC at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (fWAjv)

349 You'll find that after a while, submission gets easier. Best to start with the light bulbs and work up to the hard stuff. Posted by: The East Germans ------------- That. Oh! I know..., next we'll do healthcare!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (aDwsi)

350 I expect someone will be selling R-L thread adapters soon. Posted by: Purp at January 03, 2014 02:52 PM (70Unk) Very interesting....

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (1Y+hH)

351 305 I asked this question on Tuesday but no one answered....

Was Dec. 31st the last day to BUY incandescent light bulbs or the last day they would be manufactured but existing stock would still be sold?

Posted by: Tami at January 03, 2014 02:45 PM (bCEmE)

 

 

 

According to the sales person at Lowes I spoke with, what's on the shelves now will be all there is.  They aren't/can't get more.  They will continue to sell until their stock is gone.   Once their stock is gone, it's gone.

Posted by: Havedash at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (gvqyH)

352 2014 - The year the world was saved from Thomas Edison. 


Evil bastard.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (BZAd3)

353 "So I've decided to buy the expensive LED's and get it over with. I've heard they last a long time. Posted by: Soona" The light on some of those is very dim, and is a weird color. I get a migraine headache just walking into a room where one is on. I've been ordering mine from Amazon. Not sure how long the stock will last. We can't find the incandescents in stores anymore.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (080XV)

354 It's when mama winger confesses to momentarily wanting to punch someones lights out that you'll know all the mostly level headed commentators have gone to pot-not literally of course. We don't live in CO, but you know what I mean. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 10:55 AM (BC6cY)

355 @334

Home depot has 60watt equivelnet Cree bulbs for $9.00

These bulbs have a 10 year warranty. So keep your receipt, you should probably scan it and print it on roll paper if you ever have to send it in for repair or replacement.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 03, 2014 10:56 AM (Xkr8I)

356 Two hours on hold? Wait until the other 90% are in the system. 1-800-F1UCKYO

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2014 10:56 AM (FcR7P)

357 340 I noticed the lightbulb legislation explicitly exempted left hand thread bulbs (often found in apartment/dorm hallway settings where bulb theft is an issue).
I expect someone will be selling R-L thread adapters soon.
Posted by: Purp at January 03, 2014 02:52 PM (70Unk)
How is it more difficult to steal a left hand thread bulb?
Do they require some special tool other than just twisting it the "wrong" way?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 03, 2014 10:57 AM (aVcgy)

358 Studies show having no insurance is better than having insurance. Studies. studies also show that socons ruin everythinglolomg

Posted by: blue.dot at January 03, 2014 10:57 AM (I8FOK)

359 LOL. I felt that way before I ever came to AceofSpadesHQ. Mea Culpa. mea culpa. mea maxima culpa. ;^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 03, 2014 02:53 PM (BC6cY) But you are doing it right. Want money, rob a bank. Want to help sinners, AOSHQ is the place for you!

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (1Y+hH)

360 It flickers when on a dimmer.

Modern dimmers vary wave duty cycle (with a gizmo called a triac) rather than voltage like old school rheostat based dimmers did.

With a filament bulb, the shorter on times are smoothed over by the filament staying hot'ish.  The instant on nature of LED's would naturally make the on/off cycles more noticeable.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (70Unk)

361 >>How is it more difficult to steal a left hand thread bulb? Do they require some special tool other than just twisting it the "wrong" way? The difficult part comes when you try to screw a left hand threaded bulb into a right hand threaded socket.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (g1DWB)

362 Do they require some special tool other than just twisting it the "wrong" way? Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. It won't fit in the lamp you want to use it in after you steal it. Or do they have converters for that?

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (080XV)

363 http://youtu.be/1Zzg3UP-x8k

Oh Bill...I love you so much....

//Kathy Bates in Misery

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 02:50 PM (TE35l)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------------

 

 

Didn't watch it.  Haven't watched that movie since the first time, and the hobbling scene is one of the reasons.  The other scene is when she refers to him as "Mr. Man".  Only bad things happen when a woman addresses one thusly.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (XAwim)

364 Kneel, Bitchez! Kneel before the SCOAMF you made your God!

Posted by: perturbed at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (TXq4O)

365 From twitter... That Walker dude was doing 100 mph down a city street when he crashed. It's fortunate he and his pal didn't take out anyone else in the process.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 10:58 AM (DmNpO)

366 Since I maintain a Punch Their Lights Out list, guess I am not part of the Level Headed Commentators crowd.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 03, 2014 10:59 AM (vWenq)

367 The light on some of those is very dim, and is a weird color. I get a migraine headache just walking into a room where one is on. I've actually been fairly pleased with the few I've bought as a test. The light is as bright and white as the incandescents they're next to. As long as they actually last as long as they claim (unlike those CFL shitbulbs), they're tolerable. Still, fuck Fred Upton.

Posted by: --- at January 03, 2014 10:59 AM (MMC8r)

368 "These bulbs have a 10 year warranty" The problem with long warranties is that the company is out of business by the time you go to cash in.

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 10:59 AM (1Y+hH)

369 Mrs. Galvez is a priceless example of the folly that is Obamacare: - "It's not fair! I signed up last week like I was supposed to!" - She has a cough, so naturally, she goes to the ER for a chest X-Ray (as opposed to, oh... getting a bottle of Robitussen cough syrup) - "No one ever sent me a bill" and - No conception that, covered or not, she was liable for a $5500 deductible and $450 premium each month... so, no matter what, treatment was not "free" because she "signed up last week" - So much for that whole 'reducing costs by cutting down on ER visits" for coughs idea, huh? But none of this is a problem with the law or the system. It's all due to racism, amiright? I denounce myself.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at January 03, 2014 10:59 AM (j0wOO)

370 "Hopefully we can get some politicians on our side to grandstand and demagogue the ever-loving excrement out of the mess that is Obamacare. " Hmm. Could'a used that, I guess, but hey - I've got some swell ideas about rape & sodomy. Anybody want to hear about 'em?

Posted by: Ken Cuccinelli at January 03, 2014 10:59 AM (gXRIG)

371 363 Soona at January 03, 2014 02:58 PM (XAwim)

It's a comedy by classical definition, he gets away in the end....

a tragedy would have either had him literally dying along with her or figuratively dying by marrying her.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 10:59 AM (TE35l)

372


>>>How is it more difficult to steal a left hand thread bulb?

 

Students are really really dumb

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (3ZtZW)

373 Why did they count 18-26 yr olds? They should only be counting 27-35 yr olds.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 02:51 PM (qc7at)

 

The data isn't perfect, and I don't know what he had to work with to start. But it's the only solid info I've seen; as you know, the Feds are being real sloooooow about releasing anything like this.

 

Must be similar news in their data.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (cHZB7)

374  That Walker dude was doing 100 mph down a city street when he crashed. It's fortunate he and his pal didn't take out anyone else in the process.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:58 PM (DmNpO)

 

 

he was the passenger

Posted by: Refresh Data at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (q+zA9)

375 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 03, 2014 02:32 PM

Good. I look forward to it. Just talked to my sawbones neighbor this a.m. and this is what I understood from him. He took the week off as he was on call Christmas.

Posted by: Lester at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (2UPXV)

376 How is it more difficult to steal a left hand thread bulb?

They're easy to steal, they just don't fit into right hand thread sockets, so you only steal one, then realize they're useless in your lamps, and you stop stealing them ;->

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (70Unk)

377 How is it more difficult to steal a left hand thread bulb? Do they require some special tool other than just twisting it the "wrong" way? --------------- You did note that they are often used in dorms. Have you spoken to a college student lately (between their texting bouts)?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (aDwsi)

378 If wife gets back from the library early enough, we're doing a light bulb run. We had a decent supply, but thought that sales were banned already. Definitely grab a few more caseloads.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (ZshNr)

379 Now the Chinese icebreaker "Snow Dragon" is stuck in the Antarctic ice shelf.

Posted by: mrp at January 03, 2014 11:00 AM (HjPtV)

380 One quick number -- for ages 18-35 the gubmint needs about 40% of total signups ...and by specifically exempting 18-26 year-olds they need about 80% signup of the 27-35 year-olds - a group which generally doesn't need or buy insurance. You can't tell me it wasn't knowingly designed to fail.

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2014 11:01 AM (FcR7P)

381 interesting take on "the Roberts Trap" (American Thinker): http://tinyurl.com/plh63xc Posted by: Mallfly at January 03, 2014 02:01 PM (bJm7W) btw, Whittle's newest video mimics some of this http://pjmedia.com/blog/into-the-river/ one can only hope he's right

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 11:01 AM (IXrOn)

382 360  Hrrrrmm.  And you think that at 60X/sec people would notice that???

Posted by: MAx at January 03, 2014 11:01 AM (b7yum)

383 Yes, Lauren. I was frustrated because there was no one to discuss my options with. I almost went with the same one you did because of the per-existing condition coverage, but decided against it since they don't share anything that could be covered by Medicaid.

Posted by: Mindy aka Cupcake at January 03, 2014 11:01 AM (Bs5ky)

384 Still, fuck Fred Upton.

Posted by: --- at January 03, 2014 02:59 PM (MMC8r)

 

I'm more interested in the Kate lass....

Posted by: Refresh Data at January 03, 2014 11:01 AM (q+zA9)

385 Studies show having no insurance is better than having insurance. Are you citing the "having no insurance is better than having Medicaid" study?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:01 AM (9PrpA)

386 365 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:58 PM (DmNpO)

Quite...had a person arguing that what they were doing was not reckless since I swear to God...

"his being in the films meant he had good judgement"

that's right kids movies are real

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:02 AM (TE35l)

387 Posted by: (gXRIG) STFU, cocksucker.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 03, 2014 11:02 AM (ka6ta)

388 I didn't even know they made left had threaded bulbs. You learn something new every day. Even if you don't want to!

I can't seem to find any of these Cree bulbs near me. No Home Depot nearby.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 03, 2014 11:02 AM (aVcgy)

389 How is it more difficult to steal a left hand thread bulb? Do they require some special tool other than just twisting it the "wrong" way? Not any more difficult. But what do you put them in when ALL your bases are right hand thread?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 11:02 AM (qc7at)

390 re 363: never saw the movie, read the book. Heck of a lot of coincidences involved.

Posted by: Mallfly at January 03, 2014 11:02 AM (bJm7W)

391 Ladies and Germs, our Leftist Better, MSNBC host Chris Hayes on winter weather stories:

"It is sexier and more fun to mock and to say, 'Oh, look at this!' than to be like, 'We are so screwed, America!' " he said. "I don't want to start the show that way."

JEEN-YOOS

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 03, 2014 11:03 AM (dwArK)

392 How many Lefty college students does it take to change a lightbulb? One. The Lefty college student hold the bulb and the world revolves around him.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 03, 2014 11:03 AM (7ObY1)

393 >>The problem with long warranties is that the company is out of business by the time you go to cash in. Funny thing, when the government takes out your competitors you tend to do better. Cree is growing like a weed.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 03, 2014 11:03 AM (g1DWB)

394 389 Not any more difficult. But what do you put them in when ALL your bases are right hand thread?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 03, 2014 03:02 PM (qc7at)
For some reason that didn't even cross my mind......DUH.  Oh well. My screwup.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 03, 2014 11:03 AM (aVcgy)

395 he was the passenger *** Are you suggesting he was pleading with the driver to slow down?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 11:04 AM (DmNpO)

396 And you think that at 60X/sec people would notice that?

Try the European 50hz standard.  That's probably induces siezures.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:04 AM (70Unk)

397 Not any more difficult. But what do you put them in when ALL your bases are right hand thread? Steal the base too and rewire your bulb? Or have an EE student do it for you?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (9PrpA)

398 The Daily Mail sent reporters here to get these interviews and reports. Yet the American press just couldn't be bothered, or just didn't want to know.
 
I'm guessing the latter.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (cHZB7)

399 Hey Purp Happy New year!!! I changed my nick so now I'm safe from the NSA

Posted by: MAx at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (b7yum)

400 What's the career exit for a Diversity Manager? Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 02:50 PM (3ZtZW) If there is any hope for the future world, it will be Guillotine Test Subject or Laser Beam- Headed Shark Feeder.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (j0wOO)

401 Not any more difficult. But what do you put them in when ALL your bases are right hand thread? Put them in boxes and sell them back to your school.

Posted by: --- at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (MMC8r)

402 391 weft-cut loop at January 03, 2014 03:03 PM (dwArK)

Thank God there has never been snow or cold in the United States before.


//Random Dispatches to Posterity from Valley Forge 1777

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (TE35l)

403 397 All yer bases are belong to us!!!

Posted by: MAx at January 03, 2014 11:05 AM (b7yum)

404 382 360 Hrrrrmm. And you think that at 60X/sec people would notice that??? Posted by: MAx ----------------- Yes. It becomes even more apparent (due to eye physiology) when off axis. Many, if not most, also perceive flickering in florescent bulbs.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (aDwsi)

405 Electing and re-electing a SCOAMF has consequences. It was your choice America.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (dvRYt)

406 HONOLULU (AP) — The Obama administration on Friday announced a pair of executive actions aimed at strengthening federal background checks for gun purchasers, with a particular focus on limiting firearm access for those with mental health issues.






What a surprise. More gun restrictions by way of executive action. Why have a Congress or any other branches of government when King Choom does whatever he wants.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (1Jaio)

407

Its easy to use left-hand threaded bulbs.

 

You just screw them in upside down.

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (3ZtZW)

408 a tragedy would have either had him literally dying along with her or figuratively dying by marrying her.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 02:59 PM (TE35l)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

The really scary part?  I know women like her.  No.  It's not comedy.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (XAwim)

409 I meant rewire your lamps.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (9PrpA)

410 From twitter... That Walker dude was doing 100 mph down a city street when he crashed. It's fortunate he and his pal didn't take out anyone else in the process.
-
No drugs or alcohol.  Just plain home grown stupid.

Posted by: David Brooks at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (Hx5uv)

411 397 I watched "Moneyball" and they said that stealing bases was a tactical error

Posted by: MAx at January 03, 2014 11:06 AM (b7yum)

412 395 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 03:04 PM (DmNpO)

That the words, "pull the fucking car over" were unable to be uttered by him?

Yeah let's nominate the guy for the heavens because he was not directly the wheelman

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:07 AM (TE35l)

413 Steal the base too and rewire your bulb? Or have an EE student do it for you? Posted by: bonhomme If they're making the bulbs "hard" to steal for college students, I don't want the same students rewiring my lamps.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 03, 2014 11:07 AM (080XV)

414 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 03, 2014 03:05 PM (cHZB7) Guess it wasn't a holiday in the UK.

Posted by: Golfman in. NC at January 03, 2014 11:07 AM (/djtm)

415 Do they require some special tool other than just twisting it the "wrong" way? Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr Everybody in the dorm is drunk and can't figure it out. But they don't have a drinking problem!

Posted by: Meremortal, throw your paper at January 03, 2014 11:07 AM (1Y+hH)

416 @368

Cree has been around since '87 is a big player in LED and I think they will be here to stay.

I have enough incands to last for about 10 years.

I will start buying CFL's or LEDS only when I have to.

CFL's have reached their floor in terms of price LEDS will reach their floor in a few years around $7.00-$8.00 dollars per 60watt equivelant or around 770% more expensive than incandecents.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 03, 2014 11:07 AM (Xkr8I)

417 ot Didn't realize you could sue the "president" (while in the post) but Rand Paul is doing it http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/03/Rand-Paul-to-Sue-Obama-over-NSA-Spying

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: wind chill... brrrrr... at January 03, 2014 11:08 AM (IXrOn)

418 Its easy to use left-hand threaded bulbs. You just screw them in upside down. Posted by: Bigby's ------------------ That's just silly. Everyone knows that you just use a mirror.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 11:08 AM (aDwsi)

419 408 Soona at January 03, 2014 03:06 PM (XAwim)

well in my defense I did say "classical Greek Comedy" thus his not dying is all that was required....

evidently the greeks were a grim lot

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:08 AM (TE35l)

420 with a particular focus on limiting firearm access for those with mental health issues. Please to be noting, we all have mental health "issues", it's a matter of degree and kind. I'm sure Obama will be careful and considerate when flagging what "issues" are problematic.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:08 AM (9PrpA)

421 HONOLULU (AP) — The Obama administration on Friday announced a pair of executive actions... Let me guess- our overseas, completely foreign king has increased the tax on tea?

Posted by: t-bird at January 03, 2014 11:08 AM (FcR7P)

422 I like the Lyft idea. Not for me, but people should be able to earn a few bucks driving their own cars if they can. eCarjack

Posted by: toby928© sobs quietly, but in a manly manner at January 03, 2014 11:09 AM (QupBk)

423

406  And it won't be long until a medical marijuana card makes you ineligible for a gun.  After all, you had to be diagnosed with an emotional or psychological deficiency to get it

Oh MAN dude. That's HARSH

Posted by: MAx at January 03, 2014 11:10 AM (b7yum)

424 Tyler Cowen, libertarian economist, writer of Average is Over, who expects ever more extremes of wealth concentration, thinks the key to social stability in the future is YouTube and Paxil He's pretty open in his belief that the majority of people on the planet are useless and that % will increase with automation and high tech. The key to social peace in the future, in Cowen's view, is binge watching Mad Men and mass use of mood stabilizers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 03, 2014 11:10 AM (ZPrif)

425

>>>Why did they count 18-26 yr olds? They should only be counting 27-35 yr olds.

.

.

.To make the numbers work silly!

Posted by: Registered Voter at January 03, 2014 11:10 AM (MZGhy)

426 The really scary part? I know women like her. No. It's not comedy.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 03:06 PM (XAwim)

 

You know women who would literally break your ankles to keep you from escaping?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2014 11:10 AM (DrWcr)

427 You  can't  make  an  omelet  without  breaking  some  eggs.  So  we  came  up  with  a  phony  omelet-making  cover  story   to  enable  us  to  carry  out  our  real  goal:  smashing  millions  of   eggs.

Posted by: Hussein Soetoro, B.A., J.D., C.-in-C., B.F.D. at January 03, 2014 11:10 AM (w41GQ)

428 'It's not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.' Little in life is fair, and it's even less so when the government is involved.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 03, 2014 11:10 AM (G5cc0)

429 eCarjack

Real Ferrari's at Tonka prices.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:11 AM (70Unk)

430


>>>Please to be noting, we all have mental health "issues", it's a matter of degree and kind.

 

I hear voices what give me lottery ticket numbers. Those lying SOBs better STFU

Posted by: Bigby's Frostbitten Fingers at January 03, 2014 11:11 AM (3ZtZW)

431 The hubby should have given them permission to cut off a foot, which would have put some extra cash in their pocket, right?  You have to adapt.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 03, 2014 11:11 AM (b9fEe)

432

HONOLULU (AP) — The Obama administration on Friday announced a pair of
executive actions aimed at strengthening federal background checks for
gun purchasers, with a particular focus on limiting firearm access for
those with mental health issues.

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

Mental health not withstanding,  I'm thankful that I've  already purchased all the guns I'm going to need.  Ammo too.  The only  gun I wish I had is a  .357 revolver.  Next gun show, I'm getting one.

 

I also want a lever-action shotgun.  Just because they're cool  looking.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 11:11 AM (XAwim)

433 >>> The Obama administration on Friday announced a pair of executive actions aimed at strengthening federal background checks for gun purchasers, with a particular focus on limiting firearm access for those with mental health issues. Mental health issues, huh? Wasn't there some HHS document that defined religious beliefs, Conservative values, voting Republican, Tea Party membership, and similar items as indicating mental illness and/ or terrorist ties? Oppose Obama= Mental Illness= No Guns for You! Soon to be followed by "Only a mental ill person would want to own a gun, i.e., no one can own guns".

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at January 03, 2014 11:11 AM (j0wOO)

434 426 Insomniac at January 03, 2014 03:10 PM (DrWcr)

Yeah.... not that much of a stretch...

"you REALLY DO WANT TO GO TO MY FOLKS"

uh no not really I am thinking I want to you know sleep I just pulled a double....

"DOODY YOU WANT TO"

marriage....choose wisely

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:12 AM (TE35l)

435 I seem to have made a post that didn't take. If I ever get the chance to punch bill ayers, I will soon after be happily headed to jail.

Posted by: Meremortal, your paper at January 03, 2014 11:12 AM (1Y+hH)

436 eCarjack I watched an episode of one of those car theft reality shows. Apparently it's very common for YOUEE to steal a car just to get around. They had a bunch of kids in a standoff of sorts where the kids knew the cops were there, waiting for the kids to get back into the stolen car. So they had no way of getting back home. The little thieves were just milling around, with no idea how to get out of there.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:13 AM (9PrpA)

437 Of course the first thing that comes to mind is carjacking/robbery/rip-offs, but I don't now if it's really been a problem. Drivers have to register to get paid, electronically, so they have no great criminal advantage. The riders might be sketchy, but if they look or sound wanky, the driver can just not pick them up.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 03, 2014 11:13 AM (ZshNr)

438 When I looked into the plans, the bronze plan looked a whole lot like catastrophic insurance; I think catastrphic is great, but most people don’t understand them—and with the vast premium hikes in the exchanges combined with the web site not working, a lot of people are going to buy it thinking they have normal insurance.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 03, 2014 11:13 AM (WX3R9)

439 More windmills! 

Because there are too many damned eagles (and other endangered birds).

Plus - we should embrace blighted scenery.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 11:13 AM (BZAd3)

440 You know women who would literally break your ankles to keep you from escaping?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2014 03:10 PM (DrWcr)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

Given the same circumstances as the movie or book, yes, I believe they  would.

Posted by: Soona at January 03, 2014 11:14 AM (XAwim)

441 That last comment was penance for previous thought crimes.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 03, 2014 11:14 AM (BZAd3)

442 438 Stephen Price Blair at January 03, 2014 03:13 PM (WX3R9)

they are selling catastrophic plans at near comprehensive prices.

If I had tried the same trick in 09 I'd have been sent to jail.

Believe it.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:14 AM (TE35l)

443 marriage....choose wisely

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 03:12 PM (TE35l)

 

Too late for me.  My ex divorced me for the hell of it, cleaned out half my retirement, got the house, etc. etc. 

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2014 11:14 AM (DrWcr)

444 Plus - we should embrace blighted scenery. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb ------------ And very expensive electricity.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 11:14 AM (aDwsi)

445 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 02:58 PM (DmNpO) Walker wasn't driving.

Posted by: Meremortal, your paper at January 03, 2014 11:15 AM (1Y+hH)

446 The only gun I wish I had is a .357 revolver. Next gun show, I'm getting one. I hate the rounded handle of revolvers. It doesn't fit my hand like a semi-auto does.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 03, 2014 11:15 AM (9PrpA)

447 443 Insomniac at January 03, 2014 03:14 PM (DrWcr)

I'm sorry.  No snark.

My Dad made a lot better money over his working life than it looks like but he had a marriage habit in the 60s to the 2000s...

I hope you regain some footing.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:16 AM (TE35l)

448 I also want a lever-action shotgun. Just because they're cool looking. Posted by: Soona You don't NEED that.

Posted by: Liberal Busybody Assoc. at January 03, 2014 11:17 AM (1Y+hH)

449 I'm sorry. No snark.

My Dad made a lot better money over his working life than it looks like but he had a marriage habit in the 60s to the 2000s...

I hope you regain some footing.

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 03:16 PM (TE35l)

 

Thanks, Sven.  It's going to be a bitch for a few years, with alimony and all that bullshit, but hopefully I can regroup eventually.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2014 11:18 AM (DrWcr)

450 444 Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 03:14 PM (aDwsi)

That only works "sometimes"

hey you know what's neat?

EUtopian Union told Jolly Ole' England to knock of subsidizing wind and solar....

fucking EUtopia is smarter than we are on energy....

BRILLIANT!

Posted by: Sven10077 at January 03, 2014 11:18 AM (TE35l)

451 >>> Now the Chinese icebreaker "Snow Dragon" is stuck in the Antarctic ice shelf. So much easier to type than Akademik Shokalskiy.

Posted by: fluffy has problems at January 03, 2014 11:18 AM (Ua6T/)

452 I also want a lever-action shotgun. Just because they're cool looking. Posted by: Soona ----------------- Yeah..., sure, 'cool. We never get any respect.

Posted by: Bolt Action Shotguns Everywhere at January 03, 2014 11:19 AM (aDwsi)

453 Now the Chinese icebreaker "Snow Dragon" is stuck in the Antarctic ice shelf.

So much easier to type than Akademik Shokalskiy.

Posted by: fluffy has problems at January 03, 2014 03:18 PM (Ua6T/)

 

Schadenfreude is still pretty easy to type, too.  As is schadenboner.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 03, 2014 11:19 AM (DrWcr)

454 406 And it won't be long until a medical marijuana card makes you ineligible for a gun. My understanding is that is already the case in Colorado.

Posted by: Liberal Busybody Assoc. at January 03, 2014 11:19 AM (1Y+hH)

455 they pretend to treat us, and we pretend to get better

Posted by: Comrade at January 03, 2014 11:20 AM (27KAF)

456 After 11 more months of these success stories the D party, in anticipation of losing landslide amounts of seats, will be renaming themselves the Happy Lucky Skippy Party and hoping no one will notice.

Posted by: Rich K at January 03, 2014 11:20 AM (X4l3T)

457 406 And it won't be long until a medical marijuana card makes you ineligible for a gun. My understanding is that is already the case in Colorado. May not matter on second thought, as MM cards aren't needed in Colorado anymore.

Posted by: Liberal Busybody Assoc. at January 03, 2014 11:20 AM (1Y+hH)

458 Mental health not withstanding, I'm thankful that I've already purchased all the guns I'm going to need. Ammo too.

I do not understand these words.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2014 11:21 AM (SY2Kh)

459 I'm very familiar with that INOVA Healthplex in Springfield. I'd wager good money those interviewed were illegals. Posted by: MacGruber I am too and bet you are right. I also look forward, over the next few days, for the "SUVs rape Mother Earth!" crowd to put out non-stop PSAs all around The District begging for volunteers with 4 wheel drive vehicles to pick up government and healthcare workers and take them into DC. Every blizzard; like clockwork.

Posted by: Hopped Up on Something at January 03, 2014 11:21 AM (Gz3bH)

460 they are selling catastrophic plans at near comprehensive prices. Yeah, it doesnÂ’t surprise me that people are confused. They are paying more for less and have to rely on verbal assurances because the written ones (the web site) is felgercarb.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 03, 2014 11:21 AM (WX3R9)

461 Happy Lucky Skippy Gleeful Party and hoping no one will notice. ---------- FIFY

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 03, 2014 11:21 AM (aDwsi)

462 My understanding of the deductibles is that only the approved charge (say $160 for an Xray) of an in network hospital (was this one even in this person's network?) of the 80% that the insurer would pay of this particular plan for this service of which the patient would be responsible for the other 20% upfront in cold hard cash on the spot, plus a co-pay of some determined amount of say $60 per service, would apply to this plans $5500 deductible. So $160 minus 80% is $124 minus $60 co-pay is $64 towards the $5500 annual deductible. Posted by: Lester at January 03, 2014 02:29 PM (2UPXV) This is wrong. Hospital bills $500. It's in network, so BCBS reduces charge to $200, agreed upon network price, returns claim to hospital. Plan has a $5500 deductible, patient is responsible for full $200 charge, all of which goes towards her deductible. (all numbers made up, of course). Coinsurance and/or co-pay doesn't kick in until the deductible is met. No need to make it more complicated than it is.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 03, 2014 11:23 AM (N/cFh)

463 D party, in anticipation of losing landslide amounts of seats, will be renaming themselves the Happy Lucky Skippy Party Maybe Joe Biden has a chance after all. “I had nothing to do with Obamacare and was too stupid to understand it. It’s all those smart people’s fault.” “Happy happy foot time.”

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at January 03, 2014 11:23 AM (WX3R9)

464 America, let's be honest. You made a stupid choice.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 03, 2014 11:24 AM (dvRYt)

465 America, let's be honest. You made a stupid choice. America didn't choose this plan. Oh, you mean THAT choice. *Nevermind*

Posted by: Emily Litella at January 03, 2014 11:25 AM (1Y+hH)

466 To Progressive Party Senate: "You shoulda killed all the healthcare patients."

Posted by: Angry Voters at January 03, 2014 11:27 AM (MUEXW)

467 the most transparent administration ever has gotten so good at not answering the questions asked of it, that now it automatically doesnt reply, even if the questions is as simple as "do I have health insurance or not?"

Posted by: losthusker at January 03, 2014 11:28 AM (Kp1HZ)

468 HONOLULU (AP) — The Obama administration on Friday announced a pair of executive actions aimed at strengthening federal background checks for
gun purchasers, with a particular focus on limiting firearm access for those with mental health issues.

Heaven forbid our Godking bother with the legislative process as called for in the Constitution.

Reading a couple of quick articles describing the EOs, the House probably would've played ball as they're fairly minor changes.

One of them is a bit confusing to me- he's expanding the definition of ineligible purchasers to include those involuntarily committed to an outpatient mental health facility.  How does that work, exactly?  Someone is involuntarily committed, but isn't held there?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 03, 2014 11:28 AM (SY2Kh)

469

Obamacare premiums, with subsidies, are dandy for the FSA.   Below a certain income level (2x poverty level or something like that) they get reduced deductibles and copays in addition to heavily subsidized premiums.

It's the working middle class, that won't qualify for subsidies or lower deductibles, that will be totally screwed.

 

 

Posted by: JPS at January 03, 2014 12:34 PM (LbNiA)

470 Why yes. I'm sure Walker was held captive in that speeding car driven by his friend.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 03, 2014 12:39 PM (DmNpO)

471 I nearly drilled a hole through my left thumb today, and did I go to the ER? Hell no. I fixed it myself.

Posted by: Erowmero at January 03, 2014 04:14 PM (OONaw)

472 As long as those being turned away and having to wait hours for authorization voted for Obama....I'm all good with it. More please!

Posted by: SlapNutz at January 03, 2014 05:05 PM (vVSAz)

473 I am SOOOOOOOOO waiting for the first person with an aortic aneurysm to die waiting for some sort of "authorization" to die. God I love socialism! Or maybe a supposed enrollee car accident collapsed lung internal bleeding....popcorn in hand

Posted by: Nunyobidnezz at January 03, 2014 09:17 PM (VsGnu)

474 Northern Virginia . . . most of them did vote for Obama. Serves them right! As for the rest of us, I wonder how close torch-and-pitchfork time is.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at January 04, 2014 04:54 AM (vFmT2)

475 Two hours?  That's about average for calling a government office.

Posted by: burt at January 05, 2014 08:28 AM (1+kJ5)

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