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January 27, 2014

Dues Paying Members Of Wisconsin Unions Drop Dramatically Thanks To Scott Walker's Reforms
— DrewM

As the saying goes, when people are free to choose, they choose freedom and Wisconsin union workers are choosing to free themselves from their unions.

The latest tax documents available show combined income of American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) dropped 45 percent in 2012 Â— the first full year of the law, according to The Capital Times.
In 2011, the four councils that make up the state organization reported a combined income of $14.9 million. In 2012 that dropped to $8.3 million. Dues revenue dropped 40 percent to $7.1 million.
Walker and supporters of the law said it was a way to help local governments reduce the costs of employee benefits, but the legislation also included measures aimed at financially weakening unions by ending automatic dues deductions.

It's funny but liberals have never explained why the state should have been in the business of collecting dues for unions that the unions then used to extract more money from the state. Funny that.

I'll leave the Walker pimping to CAC (I like Walker though his coyness about amnesty bothers me. However if Boehner gets his way, it might be moot by then) but that kind of reform is going to very popular with conservative primary voters next year.

The big problem Walker has is that while most of the top tier candidates have already begun their campaigns to one degree or another, Walker has a tough reelection battle this year. So while people like Chris Christie are campaigning across the country and in early primary states for Senate and House candidates (while collecting IOU's, meeting donors and building statewide networks), Walker is going to spend this year campaigning in Oshkosh and Green Bay.

On the upside, he'll have some impressive accomplishments to tout should he run.

Still, the way the modern presidential campaigns are structured, missing out on this year is going to be a big disadvantage for Walker.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:04 AM | Comments (173)
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1 I like Walker but his coyness about amnesty bothers me. That's most of the GOP these days. We really, really should have started work on an alternative 14 months ago.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 27, 2014 07:07 AM (naUcP)

Walker/Cruz 2016

Posted by: River Commander at January 27, 2014 07:07 AM (728Fx)

3 You really need to rethink the opening idea. You wrote, "As the saying goes, when people are free to choose, they choose freedom. . . ." I don't believe that anymore. Normal Americans will choose freedom, up to a point; but the rest of the world? I think people like their chains, as long as their masters don't tug on the choke collars too often.

Posted by: Smallish Bees at January 27, 2014 07:08 AM (sCqqL)

4 >>Still, the way the modern presidential campaigns are structured, missing out on this year is going to be a big disadvantage for Walker.

So missing out on publicity like Christie's is a bad thing?
I'm OK with candidates laying low right now.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 27, 2014 07:08 AM (POpqt)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 07:09 AM (PYAXX)

6 *Clamshells Clapping*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 07:09 AM (IXrOn)

7 It has to be Walker. I really want to have AT-ATs on political signs all over the place. Pretty please?

Posted by: AMDG at January 27, 2014 07:09 AM (t7OO0)

"So missing out on publicity like Christie's is a bad thing?
I'm OK with candidates laying low right now. "

Betcha Christie's PR guy's rethinking that old rubric "Any publicity is good publicity" right now.....

Posted by: River Commander at January 27, 2014 07:10 AM (728Fx)

9 10 to 1 the unions will start making threats in order to recover their lost dues.

Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 07:11 AM (GQ8sn)

10 It has to be Walker. I really want to have AT-ATs on political signs all over the place. Pretty please? Even better if Chuck Norris were to endorse him.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 07:11 AM (PYAXX)

11 It has to be Walker. I really want to have AT-ATs on political signs all over the place. Pretty please?

Imperial Walker?

Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 07:11 AM (GQ8sn)

12 Walker and Cruz would be Walker and Texas Ranger!

Posted by: AMDG at January 27, 2014 07:12 AM (t7OO0)

13 Is there a reason Jindal is no longer mentioned as a 2016 possibility?

Posted by: --- at January 27, 2014 07:12 AM (MMC8r)

14 10 to 1 the unions will start making threats in order to recover their lost dues. While I'm pretty sure you're right, I'm just not sure what threats they'll be able to make. If they've lost 40% of their membership, a walkout doesn't work anymore. Those cities that pandered to the Unions and kept old contracts are being hit hard, while all over the state there are cities saying, "Hey, look how much money we're saving!"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 07:12 AM (PYAXX)

15 How about starving the teachers union as well? Didn't the legislation make membership and dues checkoff optional for teachers in WI? I know Dane county would not have any of it, but how about the rest of the state?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at January 27, 2014 07:13 AM (tmFlQ)

16 If Boner gets his way I will no longer be voting for any Republican.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:13 AM (T2V/1)

17 Wisconsin is nicknamed the Badger State. Walker should take it to the Honey Badger level.* *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 07:13 AM (IXrOn)

18 I support annexing Mexico before they annex us.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 27, 2014 07:13 AM (OZmbA)

19 13 Is there a reason Jindal is no longer mentioned as a 2016 possibility? Posted by: --- at January 27, 2014 11:12 AM (MMC8r) Family in LA says people down there have soured on him, but I think that's just how it is down there. People give Les Miles trouble when he wins by two TDs, but didn't win the "right" way.

Posted by: AMDG at January 27, 2014 07:13 AM (t7OO0)

20 Is there a reason Jindal is no longer mentioned as a 2016 possibility? He hasn't shown a whole lot of interest, and hasn't made big news recently. If he throws his hat in the ring (or starts making those kinds of noises), then people will start discussing his relative merits.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 07:14 AM (PYAXX)

21 I actually like the fact that he hasn't started a presidential campaign yet. We are going to be heartily fatigued by these people come 11/16, so the less I see of them this year the better.

Posted by: joncelli at January 27, 2014 07:14 AM (RD7QR)

22 Still, the way the modern presidential campaigns are structured, missing out on this year is going to be a big disadvantage for Walker.

The way the Republican leadership has the primary rules rigged we will probably get the Fat Man who ate the GW bridge in 2016. Instead of making the primary rules better they made them worse.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:14 AM (T2V/1)

23 What Walker managed to get accomplished in Wisconsin is one of the few things keeping me positive about politics in America.

Posted by: Roadrunner at January 27, 2014 07:15 AM (w9qG3)

24 Unions are the scammiest scammers. When my late Miss Emily was First Flute, principle chair in the Jax symphony she got fired- for no cause-- so the mistress ( Yes, the SOB was married... ) of one of the "directors" could have her seat. Yeah, she was a union member, and no, they did not help her. She packed up and came home. Bastids, one and all.

Posted by: backhoe at January 27, 2014 07:15 AM (ULH4o)

25 One billion dollars coming back to Wisconsin taxpayers in the form of income tax withholding decrease and property tax decrease. Because as Scott Walker said, it belongs to us in the first place. Thank you Act 10. Sucks to be you, teachers union.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:15 AM (P6QsQ)

26 Hehe, Packers fans. 50. Green Bay is the Toilet Paper Capital of the World. http://www.50states.com/facts/wisconsin.htm#.UuaFSRAo600

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 07:15 AM (IXrOn)

27 Actually, Walker's biggest issue will be his penchant for surrounding himself with idiots. Too many direct staffers making pure bonheaded political decisions in his tenure right now. Stuff that will sink him in a presidential bid.

I say this as a current constituent and big backer. He's got to get smarter in that department.

Posted by: Exanter at January 27, 2014 07:16 AM (O4s23)

28 @ 15

Outside of the big three school districts ACT 10 has worked pretty well too for the teaching unions member rate. Where ACT really hit the teachers was the WEAC health plans. Basically the unions had their own health insurance company and were ass fucking us taxpayers every year for the benefits.

Massive amounts of savings for tax payers and the teacher unions lost their cash cow.

Posted by: H Badger at January 27, 2014 07:16 AM (n/0Nw)

29 4 >>''Still, the way the modern presidential campaigns are structured, missing out on this year is going to be a big disadvantage for Walker." Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I wish we could have met sooner but I was busy putting my state in the black and handing a billion dollar tax refund to my constituents. What did I miss?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 27, 2014 07:17 AM (XO6WW)

30 The way the Republican leadership has the primary rules rigged we will probably get the Fat Man who ate the GW bridge in 2016. Instead of making the primary rules better they made them worse. Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 11:14 AM (T2V/1) You can literally feel the push for this. But, you can also feel the pushback. I agree with you. Unless some Meta-Goliath steps up, the fat man will be singing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 07:17 AM (IXrOn)

31 You can literally feel the push for this.
But, you can also feel the pushback.
I agree with you. Unless some Meta-Goliath steps up, the fat man will be singing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 11:17 AM (IXrOn)

Please, no metal bra. I'm begging here.

Posted by: joncelli at January 27, 2014 07:18 AM (RD7QR)

32 13 Is there a reason Jindal is no longer mentioned as a 2016 possibility? Let's see, a candidate who has taken part in exorcisms? "I'm not a witch..."

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 27, 2014 07:18 AM (XO6WW)

33 So.... he stopped forcing people to pay union dues and they... stopped paying union dues?!

Who could have seen that coming? I mean, besides the unions.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 07:19 AM (fwARV)

34 Lots and lots of school districts in Wisconsin were in debt before Walker's reforms. Always a bond issue to "save our schools from having to cut gym, music, art", etc. Now they are solvent. We have money in the bank in our state.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:19 AM (P6QsQ)

35 30 You can literally feel the push for this.
But, you can also feel the pushback.
I agree with you. Unless some Meta-Goliath steps up, the fat man will be singing.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 11:17 AM (IXrOn)

NRO had an article blasting the RNC this morning that I linked to on the news thread. And NRO is not exactly the most conservative site out there.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:19 AM (T2V/1)

36 Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 11:19 AM (P6QsQ) I have a lot of respect for what Walker has done. I'm with Drew insofar as his coyness about amnesty is disturbing, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 07:21 AM (PYAXX)

37 Oh, BTW. Unions are racists. (Disclosure, my wife works for the Rauner campaign here in Illinois)

http://tinyurl.com/mtufvlo

Â“The local bricklayers union, which represents 65 downstate counties including the East St. Louis area, has 1,309 members. That total includes two females and 35 African-American men, making the organization about 2.7 percent black.

Â“The plumbers and pipefitters union local, which encompasses Champaign County and most of the seven surrounding counties, has approximately 450 members, including six females and 16 African-American men Â–making it about 3.6 percent minority.Â”

Posted by: CUS (hoping not to be barreled) at January 27, 2014 07:21 AM (wcLJG)

38 21 I actually like the fact that he hasn't started a presidential campaign yet. We are going to be heartily fatigued by these people come 11/16, so the less I see of them this year the better.

Posted by: joncelli at January 27, 2014 11:14 AM (RD7QR)

I agree. It's a two-edged sword, but I see fatigue as a major issue. On one hand, Hillary will be known by everyone. At the same time, there is a real issue with Clinton fatigue even now. A few more years of HILLARY!!! will only make that worse.

If (and I know that this is the idiot party) the Republicans can have a new, inspring fresh face to vote for in 2016, the fact that some voters won't know much about him will be more than offset by the horde of voters who will be tired of living in the albatross Obamacare economy and want a Republican alternative who isn't too scary. Walker seems to fit this bill.

Sure, he needs to win re-election. But if he does, he can start rebuilding the national contacts he developed during the recall race (that was a national campaign, if you remember) and still compete in 2016.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 27, 2014 07:21 AM (+/C3g)

39 Re: the overnight thread - I can see why the Norwegian olympic team might be worried about Russia's anti-gay laws.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 27, 2014 07:21 AM (YYJjz)

40 36 I have a lot of respect for what Walker has done. I'm with Drew insofar as his coyness about amnesty is disturbing, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 11:21 AM (PYAXX)

If he is "coy" about it now he will go full retard once elected. Don't forget, this is the official position of the RNC now.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:22 AM (T2V/1)

41 NRO had an article blasting the RNC this morning that I linked to on the news thread. And NRO is not exactly the most conservative site out there. Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 11:19 AM (T2V/1) thanks, I'll go dig it up. Wasn't around this morning. Missed all your goodies.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 27, 2014 07:22 AM (IXrOn)

42 Now *this* is a schadenboner! Suck it unions!

Posted by: KG at January 27, 2014 07:22 AM (p7BzH)

43 Re: the RNC changes on primaries. I don't like shortening it on the front end, but the earlier we wrap it up, the sooner the candidate can use general election funds. That was part of the issue of Mitt getting hammered w/ all the negative ads and unable to touch the gen fund money to respond. By the time the convention came about, he was already defined.

Posted by: AMDG at January 27, 2014 07:22 AM (t7OO0)

44 One good thing about Walker, pretty much anything that can be thrown at him has already been thrown. The union thugs across the nation did everything they could to try and damage him. They failed.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:23 AM (P6QsQ)

45 If he is "coy" about it now he will go full retard once elected. Don't forget, this is the official position of the RNC now. I don't know that to be true. Coming out as a fire-breathing deportationist isn't exactly a good idea, either. Like I said- benefit of the doubt for now. I would want him to stake his position much more clearly were he to run for President, but I'm not seeing anything immediately that would turn me off of voting for him.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 07:23 AM (PYAXX)

46 If he is "coy" about it now he will go full retard once elected

Of course he will. I suspect that he's not going full retard right now because doing so would cost him re-election.

Posted by: GMan at January 27, 2014 07:24 AM (sxq57)

Walker is my early endorsed candidate.

As Lincoln said about Grant, "I cannot spare this man! He fights!"

Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 07:26 AM (m2CN7)

48 My feeling is that Scott Walker hasn't taken a firm public stance on immigration reform because it really isn't an issue on his very busy plate at the moment. He's dealing with Wisconsin issues, not national ones. If he decides to run for president, of course that would have to change.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:26 AM (P6QsQ)

49 So far, Walker is my pick for 2016. I want a governor.

Posted by: Marmo at January 27, 2014 07:28 AM (QW+AD)

50 I'm not seeing anything immediately that would turn me off of voting for him.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 11:23 AM (PYAXX)

We also have to accept that there is *no* perfect candidate. Everybody's going to have some area where they are a bit of a squish- immigration, taxation, social issues (either too socon or too liberal), federal involvement in education/drug war/healthcare, etc. The question is, how bad is the candidate's weak area? Are we talking John McCain? Mitt on government health insurance? Fat man on almost everything but unions? That is what we have to be willing to have a serious discussion about.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 27, 2014 07:28 AM (+/C3g)

51 I hope Walker says, with respect to immigration and amnesty, "Our first responsibility is to the citizens of America."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 27, 2014 07:29 AM (0HooB)

52 On one hand, Hillary will be known by everyone. At the same time, there is a real issue with Clinton fatigue even now. A few more years of HILLARY!!! will only make that worse.

I don't think Hillary has a chance. It'll be Fauxcahontas or Cory Booker. The Dem primary voter is attracted to new-and-shiny above all.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 27, 2014 07:29 AM (B/VB5)

53 And because he's been flying under the radar and probably thinks laying low will make people forget: fuck you Rubio, I haven't forgotten your laying ass.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:30 AM (fT3qO)

...when people are free to choose, they choose freedom and Wisconsin union workers are choosing to free themselves .

not sure if unions are issue or dollars.

either way, people are choosing.

Posted by: dDan at January 27, 2014 07:30 AM (hwYmz)

55 I saw Clamshells Clapping open for Blue Oyster Cult at Red Rocks back in '87. I got stewed that night.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 07:31 AM (g4TxM)

56 13 Is there a reason Jindal is no longer mentioned as a 2016 possibility? Posted by: --- at January 27, 2014 11:12 AM (MMC8r) I hope it's not just because of his Mr. Rogers style delivery of the GOP response to the SOTU that one year. The guy is an actual soaring intellect, and not the Dem-style fake intellect, either.

Posted by: Mindy (Cupcake) at January 27, 2014 07:31 AM (mQwL2)

57 But if Boehner gets his way, it might be moot by then Up the highway, not across the street . . . . It has to be Walker. I really want to have AT-ATs on political signs all over the place. Pretty please? Imperial Walker? Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:11 AM (GQ8sn) Do not taunt Happy Fun Alex. Obligatory: http://youtu.be/-CVYOCMpJRY

Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 07:31 AM (VtjlW)

58 My 2016 ticket must include Trey Gowdy! He's a libtard thrashing machine like Newt...without all the baggage.

Posted by: Algore at January 27, 2014 07:32 AM (and2K)

59 "It'll be Fauxcahontas or Cory Booker." My money's on Booker. He's got the credentials Dems crave - black, Ivy League, Lawyer, and black.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:32 AM (fT3qO)

60 Watch what a man does, not just what he says he will do. So far, Walker has walked the walk.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:32 AM (P6QsQ)

61 shit, *lying ass* Rubio. (Mainly because I wanted to type that again)

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:33 AM (fT3qO)

62 Virginia SoCon, that is a very good point you are making, and it bears repeating frequently throughout campaign season.

Posted by: Mindy (Cupcake) at January 27, 2014 07:33 AM (mQwL2)

63 Mad respect here for Walker, but for now, Rand's my guy.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 07:33 AM (7ObY1)

64 Do not taunt Happy Fun Alex.

Obligatory: http://youtu.be/-CVYOCMpJRY

I LOL at Jabba every time.

Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 07:34 AM (GQ8sn)

65
He's got the credentials Dems crave - black, Ivy League, Lawyer, and black.

*****

And he's got electrolytes!

Posted by: Ready for Hillary! at January 27, 2014 07:34 AM (vgIRn)

66 Sorry, I would have posted sooner, but I heeded my doctors advice and the wifi in this place is terrible...

Posted by: CAC at January 27, 2014 07:34 AM (5/pTn)

67 not sure if unions are issue or dollars.

Their money. They don't like the idea of being forced to give it up for unions before they even see it. If they still support unions, they will donate.

Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (GQ8sn)

68 "My 2016 ticket must include Trey Gowdy! He's a libtard thrashing machine like Newt...without all the baggage." I heard he's got some immigration issues as well, but I don't know for sure. Maybe Vic knows?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (fT3qO)

69 Imperial Walker? Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:11 AM (GQ8sn) ---------------- Do not taunt Happy Fun Alex. Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 11:31 AM (VtjlW) Speaking of, guess what came in the mail the other day?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (GEICT)

70 >>Is there a reason Jindal is no longer mentioned as a 2016 possibility? I used to ask that. Lack of info seems to be the reason. Not anything he's done that people don't like--which means he could come charging out of the gate at some point.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (SUKHu)

#53- No way it can be Faucahontas. I mean, she may have been able to hoodwink Massachusetts voters and not respond or open records as to when she first starting moving up the educational world by claiming minority status, but if a presidential campaign started, she would be forced to open up about such discrepancies by the MS- oh, shit.

Nevermind.

(Actually, if she were the nominee, the stupid party would need to hammer on this theme again and again. Of course, since it's the stupid party, they won't. The Koch brothers of the world, on the other hand, might be willing to do so.)

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (+/C3g)

72 66 He's got the credentials Dems crave - black, Ivy League, Lawyer, and black. ***** And he's got electrolytes! Cory Booker...he's a floor wax AND a dessert topping.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (7ObY1)

73 I'd love to see him run but see him instead as the VP candidate. He can run his gubernatorial campaign and still get the bid for VP.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 27, 2014 07:35 AM (jnO9K)

74 Speaking of, guess what came in the mail the other day? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 27, 2014 11:35 AM (GEICT) I am. So happy. For you. You have to post pics when it's done.

Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 07:37 AM (VtjlW)

75 Walker/Huckabee 2016!!!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:37 AM (fT3qO)

76 Lack of info seems to be the reason. Not anything he's done that people don't like--which means he could come charging out of the gate at some point. ...... Stupid party or not, I didn't appreciate his eagerness to eat our own following Romney's loss.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 27, 2014 07:37 AM (jnO9K)

77 Dems are scared shitless of Rand. Beck was just talking about a recent libtard article on him describing his followers as, "John Birch Society members and 9/11 Truthers"

Posted by: Algore at January 27, 2014 07:37 AM (G0ITZ)

78 NDH I have to disagree with you there. No VP slot for Walker, please. He can do more here on the state level than he could do as veep. Let us keep him rather than waste him there.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:38 AM (P6QsQ)

Sounds like a case of 'what have you done for me lately?' has caught up to the unions. When membership is required and dues are automatically extracted the union leadership becomes more concerned with themselves than with representing the membership. Now with those crutches removed the membership is actually letting the union leadership know what they think about them.

Sort fo what happens to any monopoly when a little choice is let into the closed system.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 27, 2014 07:38 AM (hLRSq)

80 We now have a very moderate republican governor in Michigan who has gotten similar union reforms. Michigan now has a budget surplus. The unions hate him. When the teachers' unions hate the governor, you know he's on the right track.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 27, 2014 07:38 AM (x09C5)

81 The Koch brothers of the world, on the other hand, might be willing to do so.) Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 27, 2014 11:35 AM (+/C3g) ***** Okay, I admit I may be woefully ignorant, but what have the Koch brothers ever actually done in the realm of politics that has moved a needle anywhere. And why do they seem to be the sole mythical financial hope of conservatism. I'm just not seeing it. Someone put me straight.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 07:38 AM (g4TxM)

82 69 "My 2016 ticket must include Trey Gowdy! He's a libtard thrashing machine like Newt...without all the baggage." .... I think he'd be far more useful to us as Speaker.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 27, 2014 07:39 AM (jnO9K)

83 she would be forced to open up about such discrepancies by the MS- oh, shit.

Exactly.

I do agree with BTW that Booker is most likely the Dem. He's got the credentials lined up in a row, and he actually speaks fairly well unlike SCOAMF.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 27, 2014 07:39 AM (B/VB5)

84 69 I heard he's got some immigration issues as well, but I don't know for sure. Maybe Vic knows?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 11:35 AM (fT3qO)

He made some amnesty noises a few months ago but they were very mute and he did not repeat them. I got the impression he had been threatened by asshole Boner.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:39 AM (T2V/1)

85 In a primary, think the Mooch would get more dem votes than the Beast.

Posted by: Icedog at January 27, 2014 07:40 AM (r5sZy)

86 Re: the overnight thread - I can see why the Norwegian olympic team might be worried about Russia's anti-gay laws. Posted by: Titus ------------------- You did see Germany's outfits, right?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 27, 2014 07:40 AM (aDwsi)

87 Wisconsin has a $900 million surplus under Walker. And he plans to cut taxes to get the money back into the pockets of the taxpayers.

Posted by: Marmo at January 27, 2014 07:40 AM (QW+AD)

88 We now have a very moderate republican governor in Michigan who has gotten similar union reforms. Michigan now has a budget surplus. The unions hate him. When the teachers' unions hate the governor, you know he's on the right track. ..... I'm always surprised that 'OneToughNerd' doesn't get more attention from the right.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 27, 2014 07:40 AM (jnO9K)

89 "Beck was just talking about a recent libtard article on him describing his followers as, "John Birch Society members and 9/11 Truthers" Anytime anyone brings that up they should just say "And the Dems have NAMBLA and the Westboro Baptist Church, what's your fucking point?" Forget trying to bring up the fact that more Dems are on the troofer bandwagon than anything else. That involves quoting numbers, which are like holy water to leftists.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:40 AM (fT3qO)

90 If Boner gets his way I will no longer be voting for any Republican. Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 11:13 AM (T2V/1) The only one I will vote for is Cruz

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 27, 2014 07:41 AM (R8hU8)

91 All "conventional wisdom" about campaigns is now crap. Anyone can pop out of the woodwork and be a viable candidate. People don't rely on 3 stations for information and news anymore As always, it will be about the pushback of the liberal media's spin and getting out in front of the talking points.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 27, 2014 07:41 AM (A98Xu)

92 If you think Trey Gowdy has some amnesty issues take a look at the Republican gov of MI.

http://tinyurl.com/pg5z7hk

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:43 AM (T2V/1)

93 I'd like to see Walker become the nominee if only to watch Richard Trumpka's head split open.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:43 AM (P6QsQ)

94 Doesn't matter how much he works and how hard he tries, the Democrats have a national machine in place. The only fight is for who the Democrat candidate will be, not who wins the election.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 27, 2014 07:43 AM (zfY+H)

95 Paul looked good punching back at Gregory ... but could he keep that up over an entire Presidential Campaign ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 27, 2014 07:43 AM (zzS7u)

96
Okay, I admit I may be woefully ignorant, but what have the Koch brothers ever actually done in the realm of politics that has moved a needle anywhere. And why do they seem to be the sole mythical financial hope of conservatism. I'm just not seeing it. Someone put me straight.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (g4TxM)

Not all that much, to be honest. I think they have supported some of the TEA party candidates before they were favored. They have funded some of the independent groups that have aired ads. I threw in their name mostly because they are the left's boogieman right now, and to me they just represent any third party that *might* be smart enough to hit on a theme that the TOP.MEN. at RNC HQ either can't think of or are too afraid to implement.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at January 27, 2014 07:43 AM (+/C3g)

97 I would have said Cuomo after Booker, but after his latest verbal ejaculations, he might be a liability on the national stage for the Dems. Aww, who am I kidding?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:44 AM (fT3qO)

98 I have to disagree with you there. No VP slot for Walker, please. He can do more here on the state level than he could do as veep. Let us keep him rather than waste him there. A thousand times yesÂ—and not just for Walker, but for any good governor doing good work. We need strong Republicans at the state level. If there are no retired/about to retire good people, take from the House, maybe the Senate.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 27, 2014 07:44 AM (QF8uk)

Wait, the union had 15% of it's revenue from somewhere other than dues? Any idea what they are selling?

Posted by: Joe at January 27, 2014 07:45 AM (QFnhZ)

100 Good morning. Recovering from a migraine. Not fully functional. Ugh.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 27, 2014 07:45 AM (GrtrJ)

101 You Shinebox Johnnys and Suzie Seamstresses are too fcuking stupid to understand the nuances of macreconomics. Now put a spitshine on that, boy, and pay your dues!

Posted by: Krugtron the Invincible at January 27, 2014 07:45 AM (UzPAd)

102 Walker has, get this, experience managing a political bureaucracy. What a novel thing for a candidate for president to have.

Posted by: Marmo at January 27, 2014 07:46 AM (QW+AD)

103 You have to post pics when it's done. Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (VtjlW) Will do. I would like to take this opportunity to point out that TX has a multi Billion dollar surplus.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 27, 2014 07:46 AM (GEICT)

104 Grammies Winger, don't know if you've seen the reply I keep trying to get to you....

Just wanted to thank you for your sweet comment the other day and say I enjoy reading you as well.

Posted by: Mindy (Cupcake) at January 27, 2014 07:46 AM (mQwL2)

105 Wait, the union had 15% of it's revenue from somewhere other than dues? Any idea what they are selling? Could it have been health insurance? I vaguely recall that some Wisconsin teacher unions forced their members to buy union insurance, and that the law opened it up to competition.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 27, 2014 07:46 AM (QF8uk)

106 No way I'm voting for Booker. After two votes for Obama, my White Guilt bill has been fully paid...in spades!

Posted by: Honest Lib at January 27, 2014 07:46 AM (r5sZy)

107

68: Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:35 AM (GQ8sn)

true, but

80: Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (hLRSq)

is it a case of what have you done for me lately or is it i don't like you and never have.

dollars in pocket v unions? change of heart or pocketbook? one feeds the other.

Posted by: dDan at January 27, 2014 07:47 AM (hwYmz)

108 Wait, the union had 15% of it's revenue from somewhere other than dues? Any idea what they are selling? Posted by: Joe at January 27, 2014 11:45 AM (QFnhZ) *** Bake sale?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 07:47 AM (g4TxM)

109 "Anyone can pop out of the woodwork and be a viable candidate as a Democrat. People don't rely on 3 stations for information and news anymore; they rely on Comedy Central." Fixed it for precision.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:47 AM (fT3qO)

110 @105 Mindy Oh you are very welcome my dear!

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:47 AM (P6QsQ)

111 As far as the actual election goes, from what I have seen, the biggest issue is energizing the base AND building an election team that doesn't have their head up their ass.

We have failed on that the last several elections.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 07:48 AM (T2V/1)

112 Paul/Walker

Posted by: chemjeff at January 27, 2014 07:49 AM (Hvt9o)

113 Walker's ok but I'm not sure if he has both a pen and a phone.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 07:50 AM (g1DWB)

114 @106 Yes, the teachers union in Wisconsin , WEA, had a contract with WEAC, the teacher union-supported insurance company. Teachers in our state had to get their insurance thru the union company. Not anymore.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 07:51 AM (P6QsQ)

115

@ 112 Vic - "As far as the actual election goes, from what I have seen, the biggest issue is energizing the base AND building an election team that doesn't have their head up their ass."

You forgot about tossing the SoCons out of the coalition, too. Once we get rid of them, we're pretty much assured a win.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 27, 2014 07:51 AM (YYJjz)

116

It really is worth repeating ... the House can render this entire discussion 100% moot via AMIGO GRANDE.

FWIW ... I think Orange Boner and Friends will try. I really do.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 27, 2014 07:51 AM (zzS7u)

117

We need to work on our messaging with union members.

We are fighting FOR you, rank and file. Your bosses are the POS. I would guess at least 50% rank and file hate the leaders.

Look guys, if we don't get our fiscal house in order you are going to end up like Detroit city workers, pensions/benefits GONE.

Drive home the message that we are trying to honor existing contracts and get the fiscal house in order so that all those rank and file who worked decades to get those benefits are assured that the state will be able to pay them. And further we want to give rank and file more freedom with their own money. How is it bad to give workers more of their own fucking money back??

And change the system for new hires. It's as simple as that. That is a huge winning message. Union bosses versus rank and file. Every time.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 27, 2014 07:52 AM (tVTLU)

118 The Marlboro Man died.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 07:52 AM (LAN8Y)

119 "We have failed on that the last several elections. Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 11:48 AM (T2V/1)" I would add fraud as at least a close third. All they need is an effective fraud campaign in a few major urban areas of swing states. Republicans have failed on this at the state level. That was probably the biggest effect Repubs could have had after flipping so many statehouses, and there just hasn't been much done.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:52 AM (fT3qO)

120 "Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 11:31 AM"

That was freakin' hilarious.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 27, 2014 07:52 AM (wjJGE)

121 By "they", I meant the Donks.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 07:53 AM (fT3qO)

122 Amanda Knox is innocent and I hate the Eurotrash more than ever.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 07:55 AM (LAN8Y)

123 We need to work on our messaging with union members. And always specifically talk about government unions. ThatÂ’s where the real crazy lies: government official A negotiating with another government official B over the size of both of their kickbacks taken from other peopleÂ’s money.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 27, 2014 07:55 AM (QF8uk)

124 Who's giving the rebuttal tonight?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 07:55 AM (t3UFN)

125 Who's giving the rebuttal tonight? Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 11:55 AM (t3UFN) I mean tomorrow night

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 07:55 AM (t3UFN)

126 Paul/Walker

Posted by: chemjeff at January 27, 2014 11:49 AM (Hvt9o)

Aren't you afraid that team will go down in a firey blaze?

Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 07:56 AM (m2CN7)

127 A Union story. I used to work for a power company in Florida which is a right to work state (means I don't have to join the union). I hired on in the Operations Dept in a union job. About a year later I was thinking about joining the union. I was in one of our control rooms when the Chief Job Steward (and the plant's local representative) came in to talk to the two Control Room Operators who were both in the union. They wanted to find out why the union stabbed the operators in the back with compromises during the recent contract negotiations. He said; "The union does not exist for operators. It only exists for maintenance, clerical, and TnD (lineman)." Then he walked out. Those two operators and others in Ops left the union, and I never joined. And the union never cared. I saw just as many union guys/gals get screwed by their union, as I saw the company screw everyone else. Unions are dying, and it's their own damn fault.

Posted by: ExSnipe at January 27, 2014 07:56 AM (LKJt3)

128 Now a days, Unions are nothing more than an arm of the democratic and communist parties

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 07:56 AM (t3UFN)

129 I mean tomorrow night Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 11:55 AM (t3UFN) Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 27, 2014 07:56 AM (bCEmE)

130 Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers Posted by: Tami at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (bCEmE) Is she on our side?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 07:56 AM (t3UFN)

131 107 No way I'm voting for Booker. After two votes for Obama, my White Guilt bill has been fully paid...in spades!

Posted by: Honest Lib at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (r5sZy)

ISWYDT.

Racissssst.

Posted by: Some Other Lib at January 27, 2014 07:57 AM (wcvVw)

132 "125 Who's giving the rebuttal tonight?"

The Jackass is braying yet again? Gimme a break from this clown....

Posted by: backhoe at January 27, 2014 07:57 AM (ULH4o)

133 Drive home the message that we are trying to honor existing contracts and get the fiscal house in order so that all those rank and file who worked decades to get those benefits are assured that the state will be able to pay them. And further we want to give rank and file more freedom with their own money. How is it bad to give workers more of their own fucking money back?? It's as simple as that. That is a huge winning message. Union bosses versus rank and file. Every time. Posted by: prescient11 at January 27, 2014 11:52 AM (tVTLU) Absolutely. Credible Contractual Measures... whereas, Obama's first "accomplishment" in office nullified contract law (government motors)

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 27, 2014 07:57 AM (MhA4j)

134 123 Amanda Knox is innocent and I hate the Eurotrash more than ever. Fuckin' A. Let's not forget the role the American MFM played in this too. As bad as the Italian justice system comes off in this whole mess, it was the American MFM that judged and condemned Knox starting the day after the murder, based entirely on ZOMG SHE'S VAGUELY GOOD- LOOKING...GUILTY!!!!!1!ELEVENTY!!!!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 07:59 AM (7ObY1)

135 129. pervasive corruption given organized crime, whether leading a union, political party or government itself

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 27, 2014 07:59 AM (MhA4j)

136 I'm always surprised that 'OneToughNerd' doesn't get more attention from the right. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (jnO9K) I'm not sure he has what it takes for a national election. He's a bit boring. He's a businessman and he is a good executive, especially with budget issues and the unions. But I don't think he's particularly political and would probably put off a lot of conservatives. He's been in favor of amnesty and he's been in favor of expanding medicaid for Obamacare. That surplus? The democrats are all bleating like sheep over how it should be squandered. He's talking about saving some for a rainy day. I hate democrats for their irresponsibility, and as an alternative to them for Michigan, I like the guy. I don't think I'd like him as president.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 27, 2014 07:59 AM (x09C5)

137 >>Is she on our side? No way. She was on Team Romney last cycle so .. RINO

Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 07:59 AM (g1DWB)

138 "And always specifically talk about government unions. ThatÂ’s where the real crazy lies:" The problem is that they're a huge voting block, and they've got actual power...as we're seeing now, sadly enough. If you're going to call them out, you'd better be smart about it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 08:00 AM (fT3qO)

139 The RNC is trying to rig the system for Donut Boy and/or Jeb Bush- if conservatives want a voice and to play kingmaker's then we pretty much have to decide on a choice early- and early means before Iowa and New Hampshire, certainly no later than after Iowa- pick one, support them financially. Is that possible? I don't know. There are three right now who seem to have the right stuff - Cruz, Walker, Paul. We can't hop around from candidate to candidate like cocaine-fueled gerbils like last time. That's how we wound up with a limp noodle like Romney. So, this time around let's try to settle early and stick with them.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 27, 2014 08:00 AM (0cMkb)

140

Cuomo is the guy who was one of the main causes of our financial collapse. He is the one that forced banks to give loans to people who should never have been qualified. He actually forced banks to use unemployment payments as part of qualification income.

That is just bizarro world.

Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 08:00 AM (m2CN7)

141 MSNBC Gives Vile Race Baiter Joy Ann Reid Her Own ShowÂ… Same woman who attacked Sarah Palin for having a Christmas tree and called Second Amendment supporters Â“neo-confederates. Weasel Zippers: Well what do you expect from the Network of Al Shaprton

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 08:01 AM (t3UFN)

142 Hmmm, it's getting all True Con Cat in here. Me likey.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 08:02 AM (fT3qO)

143 107 "No way I'm voting for Booker. After two votes for Obama, my White Guilt bill has been fully paid...in spades!" The only real contribution Obama has made to race relations is that he was our FIRST black President and will likely be our LAST black President for at least two generations.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 27, 2014 08:03 AM (XO6WW)

144 128 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN)

Utility unions never have been worth a shit. And unions are actually in it for the union bosses. They have never gave a shit about the rank file.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 08:03 AM (T2V/1)

145 From the sidebar: " High school teacher arrested for dry humping his mailbox in the nude" So that's illegal? Noted.

Posted by: blaster at January 27, 2014 08:03 AM (W6bkf)

146 That is just bizarro world. Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (m2CN7) And that's different from what we have now?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 27, 2014 08:03 AM (fT3qO)

147

The only way we will be able to win in the future is to make Santa Claus deliver more coal.

Thanks to Obamacare, that may be happening.

Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 08:04 AM (m2CN7)

148 Posted by: naturalfake at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (0cMkb) The problem is that it's January 2014. So we don't even know (for sure) who will be running. My first choice is still Rick Perry- and he very well could run again. My second choice (at the moment) is Scott Walker. I'm not terribly interested in a Senator running for President, but I'd probably support Cruz as my 3rd choice (among the 4 of Perry, Walker, Cruz, and Paul).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 08:04 AM (PYAXX)

149 129 Now a days, Unions are nothing more than an arm of the democratic and communist parties

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN)

Now a days? Try from the start. The major unions were started by the Communist Party. Check out the real history of the AFL-CIO.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 08:04 AM (T2V/1)

150 I am not voting for Ralph Cramden if he runs.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 08:05 AM (LAN8Y)

151 if conservatives want a voice and to play kingmaker's then we pretty much have to decide on a choice early- Speaking of, RNC Preezy Straw Poll up over at my place. Click my nic.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 27, 2014 08:06 AM (0HooB)

152

Paid for and Panzer:

That's why I like to focus on unions. Reagan was President of a union.

I think, in large part, that contributed to his huge successes. I would really like CAC to do an analysis of this as far as %s of union workers in states like WI, MI, and PA for example.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 27, 2014 08:06 AM (tVTLU)

153 Now a days? Try from the start. The major unions were started by the Communist Party. Check out the real history of the AFL-CIO.

Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (T2V/1)

Started by the communists, run by organized crime.

Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 08:07 AM (m2CN7)

154 My first choice is still Rick Perry- and he very well could run again. My second choice (at the moment) is Scott Walker. I'm not terribly interested in a Senator running for President, but I'd probably support Cruz as my 3rd choice (among the 4 of Perry, Walker, Cruz, and Paul). Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (PYAXX) Bingo. This is exactly the way I feel.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 27, 2014 08:07 AM (GEICT)

155 new one

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 08:07 AM (T2V/1)

156 Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I wish we could have met sooner but I was busy putting my state in the black and handing a billion dollar tax refund to my constituents. What did I miss? - What did you miss? Christie closed a bridge in Libya causing four Americans to be killed and global warming is freezing the planet. And Beyonce is a slut but I guess we already knew that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 08:08 AM (PwZCO)

157

Posted by: dDan at January 27, 2014 11:47 AM (hwYmz)

It is hard to say without actually asking people.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 27, 2014 08:08 AM (hLRSq)

158 Can anyone impart over the air digital TV knowledge? I am far better at finding free streams for my shows then finding a way to make a TV pickup local channels after the Empire banned analog TV signals.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 08:08 AM (LAN8Y)

159 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 27, 2014 12:07 PM (GEICT) I'm still leery about Perry if only because I don't think the Dems are done running against Bush. And while I wish that wouldn't work a 3rd time, I don't trust the American public. (And before you say "he's not Bush" I *know* that, but I'm talking about a populace that's...well..stupid.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 27, 2014 08:09 AM (GaqMa)

160 129 Now a days, Unions are nothing more than an arm of the democratic and communist parties

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (t3UFN)

*******************

What's new about that? It's always been true. (Not union MEMBERS, necessarily, but yeah, the trade union movement has long been shoulder-to-shoulder with the other leftist statists.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at January 27, 2014 08:09 AM (wTSvK)

161 It is hard to say without actually asking people.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (hLRSq)

true. important thing is people making own choices.

Posted by: dDan at January 27, 2014 08:10 AM (hwYmz)

162 "He's dark like Joe McCarthy and besides, the GOP brought us Nixon!" --the hue and cry from Senior Citizens everywhere

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 27, 2014 08:10 AM (l3vZN)

163
Paul/Walker
Posted by: chemjeff at January 27, 2014 11:49 AM (Hvt9o)

Aren't you afraid that team will go down in a firey blaze?

Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (m2CN7)

Damn you for stealing the totally tasteless joke that I was going to make.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 27, 2014 08:11 AM (TIIx5)

164 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (PYAXX) Well, I love me some Perry. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. But, he's one who has to get out in front early (like right about now) and let his rivals and MSM use that stupid clip where he was on back meds, until it's simply old news. I'd love for him to be rolling into the primaries as a contenda'.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 27, 2014 08:11 AM (0cMkb)

165 159 Can anyone impart over the air digital TV knowledge? I am far better at finding free streams for my shows then finding a way to make a TV pickup local channels after the Empire banned analog TV signals.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (LAN8Y)

Depends on the distance from the TV stations and any obstructions. Generally if you are within 35 miles "crow-flight" from the station's transmitter you can get a good signal with an indoor antenna.

I am getting 9 stations on my TV upstairs with nothing more than a piece of wire. Not so good downstairs though due to being at the bottom of a hill.

Digital TV is much more sensitive to line of sight than the old analog.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 08:15 AM (T2V/1)

166 166 I tried the Leaf for $50. I couldn't get Fox. I think I might do better with a lamer antenna because I'm fairly close in.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 08:17 AM (LAN8Y)

167 Generally if you are within 35 miles "crow-flight" from the station's transmitter you can get a good signal with an indoor antenna. If you think about it, it's like so many other things this crew does--great for the cities, lousy for the rest of us. (Well OK, a lot of what they do sucks for cities, but they're trained ti think it's great.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 27, 2014 08:18 AM (naUcP)

168 Then again, I found this site in Montenegro with everything but Duck Dynasty on the same day the new show comes out. 30 second commercial for an hour worth of show.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 08:22 AM (LAN8Y)

169 I'm writing in Emanuel Goldstein for POTUS

Posted by: Fen at January 27, 2014 08:51 AM (a422o)

170 Galt Goldstein 2016.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 27, 2014 09:01 AM (LAN8Y)

171 Anytime anyone brings that up they should just say "And the Dems have NAMBLA and the Westboro Baptist Church, what's your fucking point?"

Not to mention Bull Connor (former DNC member), Jefferson Davis, George Wallace, Jim Jones, or John Wayne Gacy (former Chicago Democratic precinct captain). If they want to start flinging mud, our bucket is much, much bigger than theirs.

Posted by: Brown Line at January 27, 2014 09:18 AM (VrNoa)

172 The latest tax documents available show combined income of American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) dropped 45 percent in 2012 Â— the first full year of the law, according to The Capital Times.

MUUUWWWAAAAHAHAHHAHAHA!

Posted by: Beef at January 27, 2014 10:38 AM (XERws)

173

This happened in Indiana after Mitch Daniels did it back in 05 via EO ( first day in office) nobody made a big deal about it then though, unlike Scott Walker who faced a recall. ( Indiana doesn't have recall, but neither did the Unions protest all that much)

Posted by: midwestconservative at January 27, 2014 12:39 PM (eFTkY)

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