April 23, 2014

Elizabeth Warren's New Book Rehashes Her Past Vague Claims About Her Alleged Native American Ethnicity, But Fails to Address Any of the Important Questions Asked of Her
— Ace

Good recap at US News & World report.

First, what’s perhaps most notable about Warren’s book is that she even includes a section called “Native American,” in which she reportedly writes, “Everyone on our mother’s side — aunts, uncles, and grandparents — talked openly about their Native American ancestry. My brothers and I grew up on stories about our grandfather building one-room schoolhouses and about our grandparents’ courtship and their early lives together in Indian Territory.”

This is ironic because, until the Boston Herald first broke the news in April 2012 that Harvard Law School had repeatedly promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member, Warren never once mentioned these stories of her upbringing in a single press interview, speech, class lecture or testimony at any point, ever, in her decades-long career. What's more, Warren was not listed as a minority on her transcript from George Washington University where she began her undergraduate education, nor did she list herself as a minority when applying to Rutgers University Law School in 1973.

In fact, it was not until she was in her 30s and focused on climbing the highly competitive ladder of law school academia that Warren apparently rediscovered her Native American heritage. ItÂ’s important to note that entrance and advancement in the law school profession is governed by the Association of American Law Schools, which requires registrants interested in teaching at law schools to fill out a questionnaire detailing their education, experience, bar passage and, yes, ethnicity. This information is then disseminated to law schools around the country that, as Warren surely knew, are always on the lookout to add to the diversity of their faculty.

A copy of Warren's questionnaire currently resides in the Association of American Law Schools archives at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. However, only Warren herself has the authority to release the complete copy of her questionnaire and to date, she has refused to do so.

Her opposition to such transparency can perhaps be understood in the documented fact that in the years thereafter, starting in 1986, Warren began self-reporting herself as a "minority professor" in the Association of American Law Schools staff directory that lists all law school professors around the country. As the former association chairman told the Boston Herald, the directory once served a tip sheet for law school administrators, in the pre-Internet days, who were looking to identify and recruit minority professors.

Remarkably, Warren's explanation to the Boston Herald was that she listed herself as a minority in the hopes that she would be invited to a luncheon so she could meet "people who are like I am" and she stopped checking the box when that didn't happen. Perhaps it "didn't happen" because at no point, at any of the schools she attended or worked at, is there any evidence that Warren ever joined any Native American organizations on campus or in any way interacted with anyone in the Native American community.

The left's claims on this are, as usual, atrocious. They defend Warren (to the extent they'll even address the issue) by claiming that Warren honestly thought she was 1/64th (or was it 1/128th?) Cherokee.

But our "diversity" regime was not set up simply to act as a racial spoils system. The idea behind it is that minorities had themselves likely been harmed in some way by their race in the past -- whether victims of actual racism or not having many advantages in life due to, for example, one's great-great-grandparents being slaves and therefore having started out with almost no money whatsoever and sharply limited earning capacity.

For Elizabeth Warren to Play Indian when it suited her purposes is disgustingly self-serving. She is obviously one of two things:

100% White,

or, by her claim, merely 99.2% white.

Either way, she is White, and her parents were White, and her grandparents were White, and even her great-grandparents were White. I think you have to go to her great-great-grandparents before you find the one (1!) nonwhite contributor to her racial legacy.

In no way has Elizabeth Warren ever suffered the sting of racial animus from White People due her race (which is White), nor have missed out on job opportunities due to her race (which is White), nor does her family start out in a Racial Ditch due to discrimination against its race (which, in case I didn't mention this, is White).

Elizabeth Warren took advantage of racial set-aside employment opportunities for disadvantaged minorities despite never for one second in her entire life being disadvantaged by her race (which is White).

Has she ever been a victim of racism? How would a racist even know to discriminate against her, unless she busted out her "family lore" and showed pictures of her grandmother with her "high cheekbones" and convinced the skeptical racist that she was anything other than a White Person In Good Standing?

Her one "story" (I love how all of this is about "stories" and "feelings" and "narratives") of discrimination is her claim that her great-great-great-grandparents had to elope due to the extreme racial hostility her distant ancestor once allegedly experienced.

And yet those same great-great-great-grandparents had their wedding party right in their home town.

I guess somehow the town got over its extreme hatred of mixed Indian marriages in the few hours between the ceremony and the party.

She could disprove that she took advantages of programs designed to help minorities who are identifiable as such -- you know, people you could actually discriminate against based on appearance because they're, unlike Elizabeth Warren, not Completely, Blindingly, Albino's-Ass-in-Winter White -- but of course she refuses to release her "personal records."

No, she won't release the facts to you.

But she will keep offering up her "stories."

Posted by: Ace at 03:51 PM | Comments (509)
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1 Slanted topic, as always.

Posted by: Lou at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (VR5Zz)

2 All she is trying to do is to make some heap big whampum.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2014 03:55 PM (nzKvP)

3 Meanwhile the Yankess pitcher Pineada just got thrown out of the Red Sox's game for having pine tar on his neck. He needs some lessons in how to hide it and cheat properly. Actually maybe he can ask warren since she is a cheat and liar. See how I tied this into the thread?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2014 03:57 PM (nzKvP)

4 Diversity in appearance, uniformity in thought.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 23, 2014 03:57 PM (UvR6d)

5 She was competing, and winning, against minorities. It was likely a real minorities job that she took. But, she plays for the right team, so all is forgiven.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (UvR6d)

6 Hey, this is how the system works. If you think you can work an advantage, you'd be a fool not to. It got her into a good law school didn't it? Anyone here would do the same thing. If you say you wouldnt because, principles, well - that and about $4.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (oMKp3)

7 A copy of Warren's questionnaire currently resides in the Association of American Law Schools archives at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. However, only Warren herself has the authority to release the complete copy of her questionnaire and to date, she has refused to do so. This sounds sooooo familiar.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (T0NGe)

8 Hey now come on ace. Let's be fair here. Elizabeth warren does have a definite connection to the Cherokee people. As was reported here her ancestor was on the trail of tears... Forcing the Cherokee to relocate.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (z/Ubi)

9 Ace I am a dirty Scandi Program from planet Gamma Epsilon XVI....

don't taze me bro!

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (TE35l)

10 I love that Professor Jacobson has taken up residency rent free in her head!
He's "Some Blogger"!

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (L4CWX)

11 No integrity requested or required by the university or the party. I'm shocked.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:03 PM (DmNpO)

12 Still, I say this is why you have to denigrate law school as a credential. The only thing they'll tell you about themselves is that they graduated from law school. Fine. Let's talk about easy, easy law school. Let's talk about no-grades Yale. (Harvard is now no-grades too.)

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (T0NGe)

13 My great X 5 or so grandmother is recorded as "Indian Maiden" and was paraded about Europe as evidence that not all of them there red folk were complete savages. This has obviously greatly impacted my day to day life. Where is my Harvard professorship?

Posted by: Lauren at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (hFL/3)

14 she is full of shit my dad's uncle married an native American woman. I fact, looking at her family tree, there was inter marriage all the way back to the revolutionary war now, this was in the upper Midwest, and not in Oklahoma but it does not make me in any way native American furthermore, the department of the interior, and the tribes themselves, kept very good rolls of tribal membership those tribal and department of the interior tribal rolls existed far before these western states were states and were only territories if she were ever native American, she would show up on them. If not her, certainly her native American grandparent this would all very very very easy to prove or disprove not to mention DNA she is the example of the worst gaming of the current diversity schemes what discrimination did she ever endure that it must be alleviated by a preference? she is, at best, standing on the backs of actual native American applicants she disgusts me

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (zOTsN)

15 "Narrative" has its own special place in word-hell.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (HEo6y)

16 Republicans are racist. End of story

Posted by: We-r-fxxxxd at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (W3Zf/)

17 Someone on another site suggested that from here on out everyone should check the "Native American" box.  If Princes High Cheekbones can be native American why can't everyone else?

Posted by: rabidfox at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (COIkl)

18 What a lowlife. Jeb Bush will kick her ass in '16. *sob*

Posted by: Hopelessness at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (M3K4H)

19 Hey, this is how the system works. If you think you can work an advantage, you'd be a fool not to. *** Then I am a fool as are all the others with a distant ancestral link to another race but would never dream of exaggerating for our own personal gain. First of all, there shouldn't be any advantage based upon race!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (DmNpO)

20

I guess somehow the town got over its extreme hatred of mixed Indian marriages in the few hours between the ceremony and the party.



Sounds like a great plot for a 95 minute RomCom.

Posted by: mugiwara at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (3a584)

21 Mmmmmmmm . . . White woman speak with forked tongue.

Posted by: Chief Two-Dogs-Fucking at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (hB/NU)

22 My great X 5 or so grandmother is recorded as "Indian Maiden" and was paraded about Europe as evidence that not all of them there red folk were complete savages. This has obviously greatly impacted my day to day life. Where is my Harvard professorship? *** I sense how it pains you all these years later.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (DmNpO)

23 She's a liar She's from Mass. She's a lawyer She's a progressive She's an ideologue She hates the Military ( assumed )

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (nzKvP)

24 19 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 08:05 PM (DmNpO)

My Paternal Great Grandfather's mother was full blooded Sioux....

I am an American she was a brave lady to go east to Ohio....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:07 PM (TE35l)

25 BTW my great uncle married my native American aunt in the 1930s the tribal rolls go back into the late 1700s and I am told the tribes in Oklahoma kept very good records she is full of shit

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:07 PM (zOTsN)

26 19 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 08:05 PM (DmNpO)

It's not like we have a series of Amendments on the issue or anything....

FUCK I HATE THE LEFT

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:08 PM (TE35l)

27 Would it be considered "microaggression" to play Cherokee Maiden as her walk out music at the first debate?

Posted by: Lauren at April 23, 2014 04:08 PM (hFL/3)

28 Fauxahauntas....

Posted by: backhoe at April 23, 2014 04:09 PM (ULH4o)

29 Would it be considered "microaggression" to play Cherokee Maiden as her walk out music at the first debate? *** Half Breed

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:09 PM (DmNpO)

30 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 08:05 PM (DmNpO) Oh, sweetie! I hope you didn't think I was being serious. I was just felling a little, umm, Koo Koo.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:10 PM (oMKp3)

31 I'm hoping those Cherokee squaw follow her around asking about her lies if she tried to run.

See how the Media covers that up nationally.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:10 PM (JS0vr)

32

Even if, or especially if you agree with afirmative action, she took someone elses spot.

Posted by: Vizzy at April 23, 2014 04:10 PM (OvM+y)

33 But she's also a WOMYN, which makes her a Native Vagino-American! She's many-hued, like a friggin' rainbow.

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 04:10 PM (MMC8r)

34

27 - Squaws Along The Yukon?

 

http://tinyurl.com/lu3lyg6

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (uopHF)

35 One of my ancestors was adopted by the Shawnee for about four months before he ran away. I didn't figure this was worth mentioning when applying for grad school because. maybe I should have...

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (kN6FA)

36 8 Hey now come on ace. Let's be fair here. Elizabeth warren does have a definite connection to the Cherokee people. As was reported here her ancestor was on the trail of tears... Forcing the Cherokee to relocate. Posted by: Buzzion at April 23, 2014 08:00 PM (z/Ubi) That's right. One of her relatives was involved in forcibly relocating the Cherokees on the "Trail of Tears". Not the Indian relationship she was thinking of.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (doBIb)

37 Do what the cops do: follow her around and when she discards her Starbucks cup in the trash, fish it out and have it dna tested.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (8c12T)

38 Leave Elizabeth Warren alone! She's as Indian as I am!

Posted by: Iron Eyes Cody at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (CTCNK)

39 The only Native American blood her ancestors might have is on their hands.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 23, 2014 04:12 PM (z/Ubi)

40 Movie of the Week material! "My Struggle Against Lies,Stupidity and Republicans!" Oprah can produce and Moochelle can act as technical advisor.

Posted by: mallfly at April 23, 2014 04:12 PM (bJm7W)

41 Yes. And the idea that this woman is a legitimate presidential contender is unbelievably laughable. She flat out acknowledged after the race against Scott Brown that her best strategy was to not speak. She joked at the press conference the week after the election that she forgot the campaign was over, so now she could talk. That is how brazenly incompetent she is. In a state that wants nothing more than to vote for Democrats, she was only marginally better than Martha Coakley as a candidate - if that. In Liberal Massachusetts, Warren underperformed the Obama election numbers by 15%. Obama beat Romney 61-38, but Warren could only beat Brown by 8. Again, the idea that his person is a national contender is ridiculous on its face. It is amazing that people on the left continue to push this idea. I don't know if they're scared of Hillary and the backlash they could face with her as the nominee, but I cannot possibly imagine Elizabeth Warren could even touch Clinton's numbers in a national election.

Posted by: deadrody at April 23, 2014 04:13 PM (MxIYP)

42 When playing Lone Ranger with the neighborhood kids, she always played Tonto. How much more friggin authentic can you get?

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 04:13 PM (MMC8r)

43 I wish I could get the clip from Archer Season 1 Episode 3 (Diversity Hire) where Cheryl asserts that she's 1/64th Cherokee and they all groan at her. But Fox is fanatical about copyright.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 04:14 PM (T0NGe)

44 I can't see the smoke signals. Come here, Running Also. I'll need to stand on your neck to see what's politically advantageous.

Posted by: Squa Grabbing Wealth at April 23, 2014 04:14 PM (lq3Ak)

45 It would be refreshing if she would just have the courage to say, "you know what, I shouldn't have done that. I should have stood on my own merits and not claimed a disadvantage for being Native American In order to better my chances for that spot. In hindsight. I made an error in judgment. I apologize." That might actually earn her some respect.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:14 PM (oMKp3)

46 there's an ad for WAWA on the main page -- for SizzliTimes , they look like eggamuffins but better

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:14 PM (fW9N0)

47 She knows all the words to Half Breed.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:15 PM (JS0vr)

48 That's right. One of her relatives was involved in forcibly relocating the Cherokees on the "Trail of Tears". Far more likely she was related to me then.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:15 PM (Aqvh6)

49 Amazing all of these left wing superstars never release their college archives. Warren is a useless piece of twat leather. I despise her. Spit, spits some more

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 04:15 PM (HVff2)

50 Again, the idea that his person is a national contender is ridiculous on its face. Don't you get it? She was a Harvard Law professor. That means her IQ is at least, what 80?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 04:15 PM (T0NGe)

51 We've established in law that certain people from certain races are better and more noble than others -- and that White people are the worst of all people and the cause of everything bad. We hand out goodies and prestige and jobs and precious spots in elite universities if you are one of the Special People, who are Permanently Victimized. The Permanent Special Victimhood is burned into your ancestor's DNA and passed on down the generations for hundreds and hundreds of years. Doesn't matter if you are 1% Royalty, or 1% Dragon Blood, or 1% Navajo, or 1% Neo from The Matrix -- it's the same concept, you are Special by BirthRight.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:15 PM (ZPrif)

52 I'm amazed, and frankly cheered, by the fact that this even appeared in the MFM.  Better end the day on that note.

Posted by: Filly at April 23, 2014 04:16 PM (6O2H2)

53 Actually, the takeaway is what bullshit 'diversity' is.

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 04:16 PM (MMC8r)

54 This wannabe native american is not qualified to be a fucking dogcatcher. Goddamn scrunt should just shrivel up and go away somewhere. Preferably back to her make believe reservation. Gives real native americans a bad name.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 23, 2014 04:17 PM (Q8vlx)

55 "Remarkably, Warren's explanation to the Boston Herald was that she listed herself as a minority in the hopes that she would be invited to a luncheon so she could meet "people who are like I am" and she stopped checking the box when that didn't happen." why does that ring a bell..? cbs news dot com, Aug 6 1999: "Mrs. Clinton, who is Methodist, "has very fond childhood memories" of the second husband of her grandmother, Max Rosenberg, a Russian-born Jew, said Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for the first lady's Senate exploratory committee." and if I ever run for office, I will have very fond memories of the black guy what took care ob the synagogue what I done be bar mitzvahed at, ya'all.

Posted by: mallfly at April 23, 2014 04:17 PM (bJm7W)

56 I've seen things you can't even imagine, the great herds of crabs migrating across the plain.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at April 23, 2014 04:17 PM (dMSj2)

57 Posted by: rabidfox at April 23, 2014 08:05 PM (COIkl) Hmmm... interesting idea... My ancestors have been here since before this was a country.... And I was born here... So....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 04:17 PM (84gbM)

58 First of all, there shouldn't be any advantage based upon race! It's the disadvantages accrued by race that I'm concerned about.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:17 PM (Aqvh6)

59 Florida took out the trash, too! Robert Hendrix executed for brutal Lake killings http://goo.gl/bdM1qz

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 04:18 PM (8c12T)

60 Doesn't matter what she is, it's what people want to believe.

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 04:18 PM (g/zj9)

61 56 alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at April 23, 2014 08:17 PM (dMSj2)

Majesty you should see how tough it is to beat the mighty buffalo to the prairie scallops....

//Lieawatha "Liz" Warren

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:19 PM (TE35l)

62 If you say you wouldnt because, principles, well - that and about $4.50 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Klaatu - Sell Out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHJBO3eWQm0

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:19 PM (0HooB)

63 Jindal/Haley '16! The real Indian ticket!

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 04:19 PM (MMC8r)

64 My ancestors have been here since before this was a country.... Hey mine too, except they were killing indians, so that doesn't count.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:19 PM (Aqvh6)

65 56 I've seen things you can't even imagine, the great herds of crabs migrating across the plain. Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at April 23, 2014 08:17 PM (dMSj2) All those moments will be lost...in time...like tears in rain.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:19 PM (doBIb)

66 Liz Warren Claimed to be 1/32nd Indian, and the elope story was her parents. (She claimed her grandparents were super racist about the marriage, yet the families got along in later years) She never listed her heritage in anything but professional journals, EEOC filings and other career-helping ways. She is a fabulist in the tradition of Munchhausen. She also falsified data in her "economic" research and her very very stupid books. Worse of all her populist progressivism is essentially Italian model fascism.

Posted by: coondawg68 at April 23, 2014 04:20 PM (8UBs9)

67 I still say the true test would be to hang her by her pecs for 48 hours.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 04:20 PM (8c12T)

68 I have no Wawa's in my region, but it sounds vaguely familiar.

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:20 PM (fW9N0)

69 I could have done that. My mom always said we were part Choctaw. The fact that to this day I cannot grow sideburns and one of my brothers is virtually hairless on half of his body lent credence to my mom's claim. Seemed dishonest. If we were registered with the tribe, that would be different. But I look in the mirror and I look white. Turns out, like Lizzy, my mom was full of family history baloney. The Indian Princess that my great grandfather was married to turn out to be white. Mom had another great story about us being related to Gen. Ben McCulloch. Different, unrelated, McCulloch. Yeah. Mom's fake genealogy was much more interesting than reality.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 04:20 PM (V70Uh)

70 if she were NA her relatives, and her, would be on US Indian Census rolls

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:20 PM (zOTsN)

71 64 Jean at April 23, 2014 08:19 PM (Aqvh6)

My ancestors of my surname beat the nation by ~96 years and beat America to Ohio by about ten....

I am a native American and as we were here before the United States by God in heaven we will be here the fuck after.

No more running from assholes who hate Republics.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:21 PM (TE35l)

72 Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 08:20 PM (8c12T)

Why bother? She's already delusional.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:21 PM (JS0vr)

73 >>> See how the Media covers that up nationally. They didn't are in 2012.

Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 04:21 PM (Ua6T/)

74 Anybody who checks the "White" box is kinda stupid. Free shit if check the other, mixed, hispanic, Indian, etc, boxes. And the Diversity Nazis won't call you on it. No matter how White you really are. Just check the fuckin' box and get some of that Affirmative Action for you and yours.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:22 PM (ZPrif)

75 Actually, the takeaway is what bullshit 'diversity' is. It has replaced merit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (0HooB)

76 65 EC at April 23, 2014 08:19 PM (doBIb)

All those moments will be lost...in time..]like tears in rainon the trail....

Hey you you Cherokee asshole get off my fucking lawn

//Lez Warren's Grandpappy

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (TE35l)

77 Hillary will go full Wounded Knee on her if she gets in her way.

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (MMC8r)

78 I've seen things you can't even imagine, great dams taming rivers!, a prosperous middle class, rivers of steel born by men freeing the world, brilliance harnessing the atom, and rockets taking man to the moon!; oh wait, those were white guy things, sorry they suck

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (Aqvh6)

79 The thing is, if you go back far enough, everybody is something else. And today, there's a dramatic increase In multicultural marriages, resulting in multicultural children. So why are we even bothering to label people by race or ethnicity any more ? It's like trying to separate the sugar out of your sweet tea.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (oMKp3)

80 I am related, by marriage, to a descendant of the Marquis De Sade. That's right. The stompy boots, whips, and chains stuff.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (doBIb)

81 if it were her parents or grandparents, they would be on the US Indian Census Rolls 1880-1940

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (zOTsN)

82 After quite a bit of earnest study and sincere introspection ... I renounce the crass, simplistic racial/sexist stereotypes forced upon me by you all. I am no longer simply a Caucasian Male. I am now an Irish-American of the Penile Persuasion. You will address me as such.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (v3BJ5)

83
She is a fabulist in the tradition of Munchhausen. She also falsified data in her "economic" research and her very very stupid books. Worse of all her populist progressivism is essentially Italian model fascism.
Posted by: coondawg68




Still kicked my ass.

Posted by: Scott Brown 2014 - This Time for Sure. Presto!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 04:23 PM (kdS6q)

84 Only evil white racists with their disgustingly pale skin would say we shouldn't have racial preferences.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 04:24 PM (ZPrif)

85 Of late, I have been checking Mixed Race on every form that asks the question. I think I have more African than Warren has Cherokee. Certainly more Amerind.

Posted by: tobias minderbinder at April 23, 2014 04:24 PM (QupBk)

86 Dammit

Posted by: toby928© at April 23, 2014 04:24 PM (QupBk)

87 Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 08:23 PM (v3BJ5)

A Mick Dick?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:24 PM (JS0vr)

88 What's more fun to say? a) Wawa b) Winn Dixie c) Piggly Wiggly

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:25 PM (fW9N0)

89 Like many here, I am between two and three times as "native" as Warren is. My mother could have been enrolled as a tribe member but she was, her words, "too proud." I check the box every time it looks like I can fuck up somebody's statistics, but the idea that I could play my great-great-grandmother's tribal identity into grad school funding, it never crossed my mind. And I'm three or more years younger than Warren, showing what an innovative thinker she really was in 1973.

I was accepted at a Harvard graduate school (not her major though), but my white "ancestors" were unwilling to undertake the risk of backing me or co-signing. Loans were different then, as, I guess, were free rides. I'm not overly bitter, not until I have to think of her as a member of the ruling elite. Then my Injun temper gets up some. 

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 23, 2014 04:25 PM (xq1UY)

90 75 Anybody who checks the "White" box is kinda stupid. Free shit if check the other, mixed, hispanic, Indian, etc, boxes. When asked I check "other", and then write in "Virginian" on the line. Waiting for my free shit, I'll take something from the CMP.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:25 PM (Aqvh6)

91 Hillary's Indian name? Hunting Beaver.

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 04:25 PM (MMC8r)

92 Jean, I like your sense of humor.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 04:25 PM (V70Uh)

93 89 Soothie § at April 23, 2014 08:25 PM (fW9N0)

Abbatoir the new Goth convenience store on main street...


Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:25 PM (TE35l)

94 Ever notice how every minority has a derogatory name for white people?

Yet somehow only white people are racist.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:26 PM (JS0vr)

95 My ancestors have been here since before this was a country.... And I was born here... So.... Same here. I wonder when we get to claim our birthright?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:26 PM (0HooB)

96 Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 08:25 PM (MMC8r)

 More like Licking Beaver.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:26 PM (JS0vr)

97 Piggly Wiggly? We just call it "The Pig."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 04:27 PM (V70Uh)

98 23andMe... the best solution to the question.

Posted by: Cate at April 23, 2014 04:27 PM (chLX1)

99 I am related, by marriage, to a descendant of the Marquis De Sade. That's right. The stompy boots, whips, and chains stuff. Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 08:23 PM (doBIb) *sidles over* Hi. How you doin'?

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at April 23, 2014 04:27 PM (dMSj2)

100 I'm mixed race. Part Swede, part Norwegian. Nobody knows de trouble I seeeennn.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:27 PM (oMKp3)

101 she did it in 1973?? The Wounded Knee incident began on February 27, 1973, when approximately 200 Oglala Lakota and followers of the American Indian Movement (AIM) seized and occupied the town of Wounded Knee, South Dakota, on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. from wiki fucking poser she was too late to join the weather underground and the black panthers wouldnt take her flat ass

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:28 PM (zOTsN)

102 Diversity means strength. If you put young brown democrats in the same room with young white democrats, they'll outnumber young white republicans, whose views will be cowed into submission. See? Strength!

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 04:28 PM (g/zj9)

103 101 Grammie winger at April 23, 2014 08:27 PM (oMKp3)

my nick is at least dirty Scandi....

I guess it makes me an "Anglandi"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:28 PM (TE35l)

104 Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 08:27 PM (oMKp3)

Damn lutefisk gobbling scandi.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:28 PM (JS0vr)

105 documentary about Soaring Cuckoo Warren's Indian ancestor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLd8TrYtH9w

Posted by: mallfly at April 23, 2014 04:29 PM (bJm7W)

106 100 I am related, by marriage, to a descendant of the Marquis De Sade. That's right. The stompy boots, whips, and chains stuff. Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 08:23 PM (doBIb) *sidles over* Hi. How you doin'? Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at April 23, 2014 08:27 PM (dMSj2) I know! I told my wife, now that I learned that bit of family trivia, it gives me license to let my freak flag fly! "Go make me a sandwich! In your corset!"

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:29 PM (doBIb)

107 105 Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 08:28 PM (JS0vr)

No Lute no peace, Know Lute KNOW peace...or ballistic flatulence YMMV.

//Sven of Essen

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (TE35l)

108 Wawa celebrated its 50th birthday last week. http://www.phillymag.com/news/2014/04/16/wawa-50th-anniversary-50-facts/

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (a5ljo)

109 If you had to choose between Bush and Warren....

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (L02KD)

110 >>> I'm mixed race. Part Swede, part Norwegian. Nobody knows de trouble I seeeennn. Will you get drunk and yell at yourself on May 17?

Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (Ua6T/)

111 It's not clear if the Diversity Nazis actually handout the Free Shit for other or mixed race box checkers. We know they hand out the Free Shit for black, hispanic, and Native America box checkers. Sometimes they hand it out for asian box checkers, but often not. For college admissions, whatever you do, don't check "asian". That adds 100-200 pts on the SAT you need to get. "Hispanic" or "latino" is the ideal box to check since there's no way you can be called on it. You can be pure blood Spaniard and get Affirmative Action. You can be pure blood German, descended from Nazis who fled to Uruguay and get Affirmative Action. With Amerindian you run the risk of getting called out because the tribes actually keep records cause they don't want to split the Fed money they get.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (ZPrif)

112 I'm British-American. Where's my checkbox?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (0HooB)

113 If we keep this up, can we get the Walton's back on the air?

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (Aqvh6)

114 Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at April 23, 2014 08:30 PM (L02KD)

I'd hang myself.

Which may happen in '16.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:31 PM (JS0vr)

115 113 I'm British-American. Where's my checkbox? Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2014 08:30 PM (0HooB) Loyalist or rebel?

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:31 PM (doBIb)

116 I'm a whitino.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:32 PM (JS0vr)

117 haven't you heard? today you can "self identify" as whatever you please

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:32 PM (fW9N0)

118 she was applying for jobs in 1973 right after the American Indian Movement shoot out at Wounded Knee

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:32 PM (zOTsN)

119 Walton's were White Privilege and everything wrong with America.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 04:32 PM (ZPrif)

120 I would check my Give-A-Shit Meter but I threw it away because it always read "zero."

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:32 PM (x3YFz)

121 I'm French/German. What box do I check again? Surrendering warmonger?

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (Q8vlx)

122 BackwardsBoy, is a a Tory bitch. Burn his barn tonight.

Posted by: Over the mountain boys at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (Aqvh6)

123 Sometimes they hand it out for asian box checkers, but often not. For college admissions, whatever you do, don't check "asian". That adds 100-200 pts on the SAT you need to get. That shit makes me laugh. That's like reverse meta-racism.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (doBIb)

124 117 Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 08:32 PM (JS0vr)

Oddly as Sonia Sotomeyer is Codename Wise Latina I am Codename-Barely Coherent Anglo-Tueton

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (TE35l)

125 Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 08:30 PM (Ua6T/) I'm gonna hit the glogg and chase after myself with a Husqvarna.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (oMKp3)

126 So when whites are the minority, will they get a checkbox?

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (g/zj9)

127 Wawa is the Lenni-Lenape name for goose.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (a5ljo)

128 Good recap at US News & World report.

Well, yeah, it's an opinion piece by a Republican operative. Doesn't make it any less true, it's a good, fact-filled article, but it will be written off and ignored for that reason.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (I8YZX)

129 the spring of 1973 Wounded Knee was all over the papers

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (zOTsN)

130 You know nothing of discrimination.

*sob*

Posted by: WonderBread - American [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (5ikDv)

131 I'm half storm giant, half pixie.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 04:33 PM (Cq0oW)

132 Short story, and suming up: She's lying. She's a liberal who lies (shocked!) The end.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (x3YFz)

133 We haven't heard yet what tribe MooMoo has chosen. You know he has one.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (xq1UY)

134 After figuring out that my Great Grandparents were German, (Dad) and Jewish-Slovaks, (Mom)-? I finally figured out why my right hand would lead my left hand into the shower.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (lq3Ak)

135 >>> I'm gonna hit the glogg and chase after myself with a Husqvarna. Uff da!

Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (Ua6T/)

136 134 We haven't heard yet what tribe MooMoo has chosen. You know he has one. Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 23, 2014 08:34 PM (xq1UY) Whichever one that's been fucked over the greatest.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (doBIb)

137 and I want Warren to explain this: "In September 2011, the Cherokee Nation tried to expel 2,800 black members who were descended from the slaves of Cherokee members." ny times: http://tinyurl.com/mwnss3q

Posted by: mallfly at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (bJm7W)

138 white bread and miracle whip.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:35 PM (JS0vr)

139 132 I'm half storm giant, half pixie. Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 08:33 PM (Cq0oW) That's you're 3.5 goodness right there.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:35 PM (Aqvh6)

140 She's more like the pasty posterchild for Das deutsche Bundesmädchen

Posted by: Trotsky with an ice-pick in his head at April 23, 2014 04:35 PM (x0sN7)

141 So when whites are the minority, will they get a checkbox? --- That's an excellent question. No.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 04:35 PM (ZPrif)

142 135 After figuring out that my Great Grandparents were German, (Dad) and Jewish-Slovaks, (Mom)-? I finally figured out why my right hand would lead my left hand into the shower. Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 08:34 PM (lq3Ak) Thread winner and I'm going to hell for laughing.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:35 PM (doBIb)

143 In no way has Elizabeth Warren ever suffered the sting of racial animus from White People due her race (which is White), nor have missed out on job opportunities due to her race (which is White), nor does her family start out in a Racial Ditch due to discrimination against its race (which, in case I didn't mention this, is White).

Ummm. Affirmative Action. Of course, she will not make that argument, but the whole reason it was advantageous to her to claim to be "Native American" is that universities were (and are) discriminating against Whites in order to hire minorities. Asians might get all the press lately, but Whites are very much discriminated against in both education and hiring.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (IN7k+)

144 138 mallfly at April 23, 2014 08:34 PM (bJm7W)

Sadly my GOP Cherokee brothers and sisters are as racist as the White Man's GOP....

//Lieawatha "Lez" Warren

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (TE35l)

145 my grandma used to call on Christmas Eve and pretend to be Santa that doesn't make me a Claus

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (zOTsN)

146 Loyalist or rebel? Rebel. An officer in the British Army circa 1750.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (0HooB)

147 Heck, I guess I'd finally be employed if I just started lying about my race. But I'd probably get caught because...conservative.

Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (HDwDg)

148 Screw all you people ... Rock Ridge never said; "But we don't want the Scandis" etc... etc... Frankly ... in a just world ... closing liquor stores ought to be a hate crime against MY people. The Irish.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (v3BJ5)

149 Well.... here in California... children can now choose which sex they are... So... if we can choose sex... why not Race? Yep.... I disavow and condemn all your Race Normative categories that say I'm white...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (84gbM)

150 Liz Warren is just as White as Barack Obama (he just looks darker because he is full of sh*t)

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 23, 2014 04:36 PM (e8kgV)

151 I used this sock last week when I last posted, and forgot to wring it off. Now it is timely again.

Posted by: Elizabeth Warrren at April 23, 2014 04:37 PM (l3vZN)

152 148 Heck, I guess I'd finally be employed if I just started lying about my race. But I'd probably get caught because...conservative. Posted by: tsrblke (Phone) at April 23, 2014 08:36 PM (HDwDg) If you get caught, do what they do: distract and divert attention to your racist accuser.

Posted by: EC at April 23, 2014 04:37 PM (doBIb)

153 "That shit makes me laugh. That's like reverse meta-racism. " It is 100% true though. If you are Asian, but have a name that could pass as white, don't check the Asian box under any circumstance. It's the kiss of death in college admissions. The valedictorian of my high school had a perfect SAT score, volunteered for 3 different groups, lots of extra curriculars... Rejected from Harvard. Guess her race.

Posted by: Lauren at April 23, 2014 04:37 PM (hFL/3)

154 Off, you fraudulent sock.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 23, 2014 04:37 PM (l3vZN)

155 142 So when whites are the minority, will they get a checkbox? --- That's an excellent question. No. Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 08:35 PM (ZPrif) Central California? We already are.... and... no...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 04:38 PM (84gbM)

156 I honor of Chief Full-Of-Shit Warren, I say we each #NameOurOwnTribe and #ChooseOurOwnIndianName I am Talks With Cats of the Moron Tribe

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:38 PM (DmNpO)

157 I have Filipino relatives who insist on checking the "asian" box. Dumbest asian people on the planet. You look like a Mexican and your name is Jose -- stop checking the fucking "asian" box!!! Do you want your entire family to go to community college!!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:38 PM (ZPrif)

158 It is 100% true though. If you are Asian, but have a name that could pass as white, don't check the Asian box under any circumstance. It's the kiss of death in college admissions. College admissions, hell, it causes problems around here with high school admissions.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:39 PM (Aqvh6)

159 Elizabeth Warren took advantage of racial set-aside employment opportunities for disadvantaged minorities despite never for one second in her entire life being disadvantaged by her race (which is White).

Bullshit. The racial set asides are not reserved for disadvantaged minorities, they are reserved for any preferred minorities.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 04:39 PM (IN7k+)

160 And now I will tell you stories the elders told me when I was your age about Coyote and the White Buffalo. 

But first, you will blow the peyote button.

Posted by: White Dove Warren at April 23, 2014 04:39 PM (oJUxt)

161 I've kind of missed the musings from the wise Fauxcahontis

Posted by: Bruce Lee's Fist at April 23, 2014 04:39 PM (M+evy)

162 157 I honor of Chief Full-Of-Shit Warren, I say we each #NameOurOwnTribe and #ChooseOurOwnIndianName I am Talks With Cats of the Moron Tribe Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 08:38 PM (DmNpO) LOL.... in Elizabethan Fencing circles??? I'm Grey Wolf, of the Band of Black Tigers...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 04:40 PM (84gbM)

163 re 151: he might be whiter: have you ever seen Sen Lying Beaver Bleachblond on a golfcourse?

Posted by: mallfly at April 23, 2014 04:40 PM (bJm7W)

164 When Whites are a minority they will be treated the way the Chinese minority are treated in places like Malaysia. Or the White minority in South Africa. Or Jews in Europe. Allowed to prosper, have everything blamed on them, and suffer from the occasional genocidal riot.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:40 PM (ZPrif)

165 I am Swen from the Hell on Wheels Tribe hear me roawr....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:40 PM (TE35l)

166 Warren is 3 yrs younger than hill clinton, fyi.

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:41 PM (fW9N0)

167 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 08:40 PM (ZPrif)

So. Nothing will change, huh?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:41 PM (JS0vr)

168 Her pet project, The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), now examines tens of millions of Americans' personal financial transactions every year without the need for any warrant or permission but hey, don't worry, they say they delete all personal identifying information before adding it into their database. They need to examine all finances of every American so they can make sure things are "fair". I wonder if they have examined her multimillion dollar investments and questionable business dealings. Probably not since she hates the 1% and those rich republicans.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 04:41 PM (mXij7)

169 >>> I am Talks With Cats of the Moron Tribe Can't Find The Moose of the Fugawi band.

Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 04:41 PM (Ua6T/)

170 Oh, I should add that she was the valedictorian of a class of over 500. Weighted GPAs. No ties. At least she got in to Stanford.

Posted by: Lauren at April 23, 2014 04:41 PM (hFL/3)

171 167 Soothie § at April 23, 2014 08:41 PM (fW9N0)

Yup she is the hot young face of the Democrat "youth movement"...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:41 PM (TE35l)

172 163 157 I honor of Chief Full-Of-Shit Warren, I say we each #NameOurOwnTribe and #ChooseOurOwnIndianName I am the Roach with Steely Eyes, the tribe of survivors.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:42 PM (Aqvh6)

173 I still don't get the affirmative action for Hispanics/Latinos. Blacks, OK slavery. Native Americans, fine pushed off land. But Spanish is not a handicap. Also, I wonder why blacks don't get more upset at the widening of affirmative action categories. Increasingly, they're losing out on the special set-asides.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 04:42 PM (T0NGe)

174 I am Yob, of the Fuckawee.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:42 PM (0HooB)

175 *raises right hand*

How.

Posted by: Three Wolf Moon Short Sleeve T of the Amazonians[/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 04:42 PM (5ikDv)

176 I'm Grey Wolf, of the Band of Black Tigers... I am Jiggling Stoat of Clan McDrunken.

Posted by: toby928© at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (QupBk)

177 I am Slapping Weasels of the Tanning Hides Tribe.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (lq3Ak)

178 Frankly ... in a just world ... closing liquor stores ought to be a hate crime against MY people. The Irish. Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 08:36 PM (v3BJ5) I love people who can laugh at themselves. That must be why I hate liberals.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (ynL/v)

179 Me know how.

Me just want to know WHEN.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (JS0vr)

180 Allowed to prosper, have everything blamed on them, and suffer from the occasional genocidal riot. That might not work out the same way as it does elsewhere.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (Aqvh6)

181 Dangit! I should have saved that for an open thread.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (DmNpO)

182 Phuck. Phuck of The Mountains /off carlin

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 04:44 PM (Cq0oW)

183 Bullshit. The racial set asides are not reserved for disadvantaged minorities, they are reserved for any preferred minorities. Asians are starting to figure this out.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 04:44 PM (T0NGe)

184 she didn't build that

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:44 PM (zOTsN)

185 176 *raises right hand*

How.

Posted by: Three Wolf Moon Short Sleeve T of the Amazonians at April 23, 2014 08:42 PM (5ikDv)


You smokum peacepipe?

Posted by: Tribe of the Howling Wolf painted on back window at April 23, 2014 04:44 PM (M+evy)

186 rats. I think I go home.

Posted by: mallfly at April 23, 2014 04:45 PM (bJm7W)

187 My heritage is Nordic and Germanic. So. Question: why do American Indians get favored status to begin with? You were conquered? Enslaved? So fucking what. Join the club and quit your goddam whining. Bullshit on a stick.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:45 PM (x3YFz)

188 Will this book outsell "Pow-Wow Chow"? And how!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 23, 2014 04:45 PM (YbCsp)

189 Flatbush, I'll just check "Mixed." The Mixed majority won't care. Only racist blacks and aztlanders will be problems.

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 04:46 PM (g/zj9)

190 You have to remember the great historical discrimination the Latinos have suffered in America. Think of the millions of young Mex-Americans who arrived here in the 1990s during the Clinton administration. It was a dark time for my people. If you can imagine, there was no ESPN Deportes. Only Univsion and Telemundo. Of course, the White Man had both ESPN 1 and 2. So selfish, the White Man is.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 04:46 PM (ZPrif)

191 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at April 23, 2014 08:45 PM (YbCsp)

She should've lost the election on the title of that book.

That is so microaggressive and triggering.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:46 PM (JS0vr)

192 I love that her "Native American" recipe for her Oklahoman tribe contained oysters and cream cheese cant get more white than that

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:46 PM (zOTsN)

193 Howie Carr rips Lie-A-Watha a new one practically everyday. Comedy gold. He's got a good podcast from today talking about her.

Posted by: Sid Vicious at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (hScNR)

194 128 Wawa is the Lenni-Lenape name for goose. Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at April 23, 2014 08:33 PM (a5ljo) They have a goose in their logo. http://www.wawa.com/WawaWeb/ Although technically it's a convenience store, I thought it should have been included in the chain coffee shop map in last night's ONT.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (sdi6R)

195 I am Lutefisk Licker, of the Speaks in Tongues tribe. We only hold our ceremonies on Sunday nights, during The Christmas season.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (oMKp3)

196 I think the only genuine reference in print to this woman's relationship to Indians was that her Great Grandfather blew one away in 1908.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (l3vZN)

197 Amish, they don't get it because they're trained just to fixate on whitey.

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (g/zj9)

198 Hey Blonde Girl, stop belly dancing! You're appropriating my culture! Oh hi, Lizzie, no problemo if you want to appropriate the Native American culture for a little social advancement. We're totes cool with that!

Posted by: biancaneve at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (2sR50)

199

But, but I thought being born in America meant that you are a Native American.

- Princess Liawatha

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (KlVdw)

200 Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 08:47 PM (sdi6R)

I thought I saw them in it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (JS0vr)

201 186 176
*raises right hand*

How.

Posted by: Three Wolf Moon Short Sleeve T of the Amazonians at April 23, 2014 08:42 PM (5ikDv)

You smokum peacepipe?

Ungh. Squaw trade pipe for Hutzler 571 Banana Slicer.

Posted by: Three Wolf Moon Short Sleeve T of the Amazonians[/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 04:47 PM (5ikDv)

202 "And yet those same great-great-great-grandparents had their wedding party right in their home town" And it was over in time to join Barack Sr. and Stanley Ann on their march in Selma, Alabama.

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 04:48 PM (QeH9j)

203 What is this lenni lenape, I am unaware?

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:48 PM (fW9N0)

204 And every reservation I've ever been on is loaded with 1) busted ass trailer homes 2) liquor bottles 3) a casino I pushed troops through basic training for 5 years. Around 2,000 kids. After that, I taught at universities; around 500 or so kids, maybe more... eh doesn't matter. Know how many of ALL OF THOSE were American Indian? Zero. Not a single one. Nada.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:48 PM (x3YFz)

205 188 I dont think native Americans get favored status exactly. more just federal dollars since they're basically wards of the feds on a reservation. after that, its more standard leftard awe of the nonwhite that does it

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 04:48 PM (Cq0oW)

206 I guess somehow the town got over its extreme hatred of mixed Indian marriages in the few hours between the ceremony and the party. Heap big amounts of firewater washed away walls of ignurnt prejudice? It could happen...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 23, 2014 04:48 PM (YbCsp)

207 I'm about to open up the firewater, once game 4 between the Blues and Blackhawks start. 

Posted by: Dave S. at April 23, 2014 04:49 PM (UvR6d)

208 The Left protects its own.  The Media will not allow a Democrat to be derailed, unless that Democrat (Anthony Weiner) is determined to do so.

Her one "story" (I love how all of this is about "stories" and "feelings" and "narratives")

That's all the left has.  Remember the health care debate?  Those opposed to the ACA had facts, figures, potential damages and disasters.  Those in favor had hand-written letters boo-hoo-hooing.

Posted by: Null at April 23, 2014 04:49 PM (xjpRj)

209 Maybe she just wanted to enjoy 'justifiable rage' during Thanksgivings.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 23, 2014 04:49 PM (AC0lD)

210 I know my own truth.

Posted by: Elizabeth "Old Bay' Warren at April 23, 2014 04:49 PM (BAS5M)

211 No. You're right. They weren't there.

Neither was 7-11 which is definitely wrong to exclude them.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (JS0vr)

212 Have you ever seen Stossel's show "Freeloaders"? He compares the differences between the tribes who rely on the feds and those who are self-reliant, and the differences could not be more stark.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (DmNpO)

213 Liawatha has tom-tom stuck in wig-wam. Needs batteries changed...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (W7zKe)

214 Look, White People enslaved Black People and committed Genocide against the Native Americans. Getting screwed over in college admissions is small potatoes in comparison. And when I say White People, I mean all White People for All Time. This is Racial Guilt burned into your DNA. Just accept it.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (ZPrif)

215 True Fact ... in ancient Rome, "Canus Pergamentum", literally "White Trash", was colloquially referred to as "Island West of Provincia Britannia that we want nothing to do with". No less than Theodosius himself stated - "We'll make room for the Goths and the Huns - but we're not taking the Irish". So don't fucking tell me about oppression.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (v3BJ5)

216 Ungh. Squaw trade pipe for Hutzler 571 Banana Slicer.

Posted by: Three Wolf Moon Short Sleeve T of the Amazonians at April 23, 2014 08:47 PM (5ikDv)


*Nod* - It only works on bananas curved to left

Posted by: Tribe of the Howling Wolf painted on back window at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (M+evy)

217 Where I grew up, we'd play the rez kids in BBall. They'd in-bound a pass and the guy would never pass again. The one dude who got the inbound would *always* try to run the court and shoot the ball. Never passed. So easy to defend. We crushed them.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:50 PM (x3YFz)

218 >>> Ungh. Squaw trade pipe for Hutzler 571 Banana Slicer. Did she at least trade for the right handed slicer?

Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 04:51 PM (Ua6T/)

219 I'm an Indian outlaw
Half Cherokee and Choctaw...

Posted by: Liz Warren at April 23, 2014 04:51 PM (UvR6d)

220 I love that her "Native American" recipe for her Oklahoman tribe contained oysters and cream cheese cant get more white than that ***** Did she mention anything about crepes?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:51 PM (DmNpO)

221 oh so that's why Wawa landed on the man page; you mentioned it last night?

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 04:51 PM (fW9N0)

222 i hope when the next election is over we never hear of liawatha, along with a few others ever again.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:51 PM (nqBYe)

223 I used to play for the Cleveland Indians. ...does that count?

Posted by: Super Joe Charboneau at April 23, 2014 04:52 PM (lq3Ak)

224 Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 08:48 PM (x3YFz)

To be fair, they probably didn't self identify.

And many don't look much different than a hispanic or italian.

I'm guessing there were a few.

Lot's of Induns (their pronounciation) in the USMC.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:52 PM (JS0vr)

225 I dont think native Americans get favored status exactly. Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 08:48 PM (Cq0oW) Uh... free tuition at any university in the CONUS that accepts you? Not favored? Dude.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:52 PM (x3YFz)

226 you want to see cradle to grave socialism and free health care? go to the rez especially those without casinos or cigarette sales like in the upper Midwest that is third world

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:53 PM (zOTsN)

227 So. Question: why do American Indians get favored status to begin with? You were conquered? Enslaved? So fucking what. Join the club and quit your goddam whining. Bullshit on a stick. Posted by: tangonine There's a line in the book, Speaker for the Dead where Ender, the one responsible for the genocide of the Insect Race tells another new race that the only reason people have been gnashing and wailing about the extinction of the 'Buggers' for 3,000 years is because none are alive. He points out that if any were still alive things would be very different. Texas and the US went to war with Mexico twice for territory and Mexico got their ass handed to them both times. Now, long after both wars, people can't believe that Mexico lost territory and think it should all be given back. Now if it really were...

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 04:53 PM (rNGa+)

228 213 Have you ever seen Stossel's show "Freeloaders"?

He compares the differences between the tribes who rely on the feds and those who are self-reliant, and the differences could not be more stark.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 08:50 PM (DmNpO)


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I did see that, and it was quite jarring.

Posted by: Dave S. at April 23, 2014 04:53 PM (UvR6d)

229 i hope when the next election is over we never hear of liawatha, along with a few others ever again. *** We'll have to wait a couple of years but, if Harry Reid loses his seat, I might immediately rush into the nearest bar and buy a round for the house.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:53 PM (DmNpO)

230 I dont think native Americans get favored status exactly. Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 08:48 PM (Cq0oW) Oh. and no income tax. Ever. not favored? c'mon.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:53 PM (x3YFz)

231 226 didnt know that. seriously?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 04:54 PM (Cq0oW)

232 The only way to expunge your White Racial Guilt for the Crimes of Slavery and Indian Genocide are ... to discover you are 1% non-white. Then instead of being 100% Guilty of all White Crimes in History, you become 100% Noble Victim of the White Man. It's a pretty good deal. Just need the right relative/story.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 04:54 PM (ZPrif)

233 Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 08:52 PM (JS0vr) Had a Pacific Northwest type of Native American who worked for me on my last Destroyer... 6 ft 4 in.... 290 Lbs... solid muscle... and he was the Runt of his family... Navy kicked him out because he could never meet weight standards.... dumb dumb dumb...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 04:54 PM (84gbM)

234 I did see that, and it was quite jarring. *** Do I recall correctly that the one tribe was resisting official recognition and a congressman was trying to force it on them?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:54 PM (DmNpO)

235 especially those without casinos or cigarette sales like in the upper Midwest that is third world Ya, I have a friend who is a veterinarian. She practices outside a ways from Green Bay. They get all the reservation dogs. From what she says, it's pretty bad.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 04:55 PM (oMKp3)

236 We'll have to wait a couple of years but, if Harry Reid loses his seat, I might immediately rush into the nearest bar and buy a round for the house. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 08:53 PM (DmNpO from your lips 2..

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:55 PM (nqBYe)

237 I dont think native Americans get favored status exactly. Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 08:48 PM (Cq0oW) The ability to get drunk on a third of the hooch my part Irish ass needs doesn't count?

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:55 PM (Aqvh6)

238 Oh. and no income tax. Ever. not favored? c'mon. *** And they get what they paid for.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 04:55 PM (DmNpO)

239 Authentic Indian Backgrounds for sale cheap. Ask for Sgt. O'Rourke, Ft. Courage.

Posted by: Crazy Cat of the Hikawi at April 23, 2014 04:56 PM (MMC8r)

240 204 What is this lenni lenape, I am unaware? Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 08:48 PM (fW9N0) That was the Indian tribe that was native to southeastern PA. William Penn met them and regarded them as fully civilized, not savages. The earliest settlers got along with them fairly well. But his sons were assholes and swindled them out of much of their land.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 04:56 PM (sdi6R)

241 Show of hands if your race has been mocked in Bioshock - Infinite. Raises hand - because I'm part Irish. You know ... I think I may have to cut a ho'.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 04:56 PM (v3BJ5)

242 I went to college with three girls who were 1/32nd native American. Their dad owned a chain of drug store in the Dakotas. They were, by our lights, rich. They got free tuition, free books, free housing, and a stipend to attend classes. If they chose to, they would get the same treatment for law school and medical school. All free. In fact, paid to do it. the are favored all right all that being said, very very few take advantage of it the ones that do did NOT grow up on the rez or in the rez "culture"

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 04:57 PM (zOTsN)

243 Lots of govt favors to Natives. Cash money. That's why they keep a list and guard it. Biggest source of cash money, of course, is casino money. Just ask Chief Sitting On An Inside Straight.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:57 PM (ZPrif)

244 215 Look, White People enslaved Black People and committed Genocide against the Native Americans. Getting screwed over in college admissions is small potatoes in comparison.

Posted by: Wise Latina at April 23, 2014 08:50 PM (ZPrif)

Or as I like to point out at Thanksgiving. Maybe the white people were sent by the gods to avenge all of the victims of the Native Americans, those killed and buried, that the Native Americans didn't tell anyone about.

Unless it was all rainbows, unicorns and Skittles before the white man came, which university tells me it was.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 23, 2014 04:57 PM (AC0lD)

245 >>> Ya, I have a friend who is a veterinarian. She practices outside a ways from Green Bay. They get all the reservation dogs. From what she says, it's pretty bad. Dogs on the Sioux reservations don't go to the vet.

Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 04:57 PM (Ua6T/)

246 218 Where I grew up, we'd play the rez kids in BBall. They'd in-bound a pass and the guy would never pass again. The one dude who got the inbound would *always* try to run the court and shoot the ball. I had to wrestle Rez kids, they were tough.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 04:57 PM (Aqvh6)

247 205 tangonine at April 23, 2014 08:48 PM (x3YFz)

I'm shocked....

I had an Iron Knife in my unit and wife had a kick ass troop named BoneShirt...

Amerinds are overrepresented % of pop wise in the force...and these are legit Rez kids not Pow Wow Chow Cod Fishermen of the Plains

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:58 PM (TE35l)

248 Show of hands if YOUR National Rebellion was called out for failing in the last Twilight Movie ? That's right ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 04:58 PM (v3BJ5)

249 240 Authentic Indian Backgrounds for sale cheap. Ask for Sgt. O'Rourke, Ft. Courage. Posted by: Crazy Cat of the Hikawi at April 23, 2014 08:56 PM (MMC8r) Just don't trust-em Colonel....

Posted by: Running Board, Gopher Tribe at April 23, 2014 04:59 PM (84gbM)

250 "Show of hands if your race has been mocked in Bioshock - Infinite." Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 08:56 PM (v3BJ5) I held-off on getting that. It is on my list, now. I hope it is as good as I've read.

Posted by: Super Joe Charboneau at April 23, 2014 04:59 PM (lq3Ak)

251 245 Stateless Infidel at April 23, 2014 08:57 PM (AC0lD)

The Shawnee and the assholes in Cahokia are bastards....

//Adena and Hopewell of Ohio

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:59 PM (TE35l)

252 I had to wrestle Rez kids, they were tough. Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 08:57 PM (Aqvh6) They were great individual athletes. Shitty team players.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:59 PM (x3YFz)

253 Yeah, the rez is a true spirit killer for most. Men get drunk all the damn time. Hide from the world in their trailers, ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 04:59 PM (ZPrif)

254 Posted by: fluffy at April 23, 2014 08:57 PM (Ua6T/)

Dog on reservation; chow.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:59 PM (JS0vr)

255 I hope that dopey woman runs for president. Her blatant bullshit about her Native American heritage should make for a lot of laughs on the national stage. She can't or won't back any of it up. Even if it were true, her using her being 1/64th Indian to further her career is ridiculous and exploitative. I want her to run for president so this gets pushed into the public eye.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 23, 2014 05:00 PM (ynL/v)

256 I am really looking forward to AA for homosexuals and bisexuals and transexuals and whothe hellknowswhatsexuals. Easy to fake. How can they disprove whatever you check?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 05:00 PM (dfYL9)

257 Many blood moons ago, white man slaughtered all of the prairie crabs.  The crabs could not withstand the lethal applications of butter and lemon. 

Tragically, that day became known as the "Trail of Crab Cake Crumbs."

Posted by: White Dove Warren at April 23, 2014 05:00 PM (oJUxt)

258 I am Lutefisk Licker, of the Speaks in Tongues tribe.

Ungh. Lutefisk squaw drink heap big Tanquerey firewater. Big headache afterwards.

Posted by: OregonMuse at April 23, 2014 05:00 PM (I8YZX)

259 They were great individual athletes. Shitty team players. Kinda sums up the 1820-40 decades right there.

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 05:00 PM (Aqvh6)

260 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 09:00 PM (dfYL9) What I want is handouts for celibate people. I mean, talk about oppressed.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (oMKp3)

261 Here's the link to the Stossel piece about Indian tribes. The entire show is outstanding. http://tinyurl.com/ksp28zt

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (DmNpO)

262 Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal signed into law Wednesday a bill that expands gun rights in the state to allow weapons in government buildings, bars, places of worship, and school zones under certain circumstances Blood in the streets. BLOOD IN THE STREETS!

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (QeH9j)

263 haven't met too many native Americans. most were adopted kids or they just hang out in their own little world in the sticks. mostly because we killed a lot of them off

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (Cq0oW)

264 Considering the huge number of Europeans who immigrated after the South Got Uppity, very few whites are descended from slaveowners.

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (MMC8r)

265 Easy to fake. How can they disprove whatever you check? Federal glory holes ?

Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (Aqvh6)

266 alcohol was illegal on the rez in ND until recently so they would drink mouth wash and vanilla extract and nyquil they have recently legalized booze on the rez, and are going to legalize pot what could go wrong?

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (zOTsN)

267 Show of hands if Jack Ryan ever kicked pretty much everyone ass from YOUR Native Homeland in Patriot Games. That's right ...

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:01 PM (v3BJ5)

268 Soccer be takin' over America, yo! Empty Seats Galore ‏@EmptySeatsPics 49m New York Red Bulls match tonight. #MLS (ht @nruss00) pic.twitter.com/WHXs6sORfI

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:02 PM (ZPrif)

269 She appears to have more ancestral resemblance to Jane Hathaway, and we could somehow produce Jethro Bodine at one of her appearances I'd be willing to bet she'd crumble like a teenage girl with a crush.

Posted by: ontherocks at April 23, 2014 05:02 PM (FE8uH)

270 mostly because we killed a lot of them off -- Who's we?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:02 PM (ZPrif)

271 Posted by: OregonMuse at April 23, 2014 09:00 PM (I8YZX) Ya for shoor da. Glory be nikrsdaajojjomn.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:02 PM (oMKp3)

272 27 29 Rush uses "Half Breed" as his Elizabeth Warren theme song.

I think "Cherokee Maiden" would completely go over their heads. They've never heard of Bob Wills, or even George Strait or Asleep at the Wheel for that matter.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at April 23, 2014 05:03 PM (HubSo)

273 Who's we? *** I feel like that question is missing a Kemosabe

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 05:03 PM (DmNpO)

274 mostly because we killed a lot of them off Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich what are you talking about? a lot of them died of disease before we even got here

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:03 PM (zOTsN)

275 Posted by: Jean at April 23, 2014 09:00 PM (Aqvh6)

The last of the big tribes of warriors.

Ask the Germans and Celts and the Gauls and the Brits about how fighting as individuals works against a disciplined Army acting as a unit?

yeah.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 05:04 PM (JS0vr)

276 there was a huge amount of intermarriage with the French Canadian trappers in the northern tribes so intermarriage also contributed to the decrease

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:04 PM (zOTsN)

277 271 we is we. my family, extended version

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:05 PM (Cq0oW)

278 ahh, thanks for the concise AoS style explanation of lenni lenape I learned something today. The teacher became rhe student, for a change.

Posted by: Soothie § at April 23, 2014 05:05 PM (v2bko)

279 It is explicitly anti-American for the circumstances of a citizen's birth to determine his or her class.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:05 PM (T0NGe)

280 275 mostly because we killed a lot of them off My folks didn't get here till the twenties. The only thing we killed was a bunch of cod.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:05 PM (oMKp3)

281 "we"? my folks didn't get here till 1915

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 05:05 PM (g/zj9)

282 is intermarriage and assimilation equal to genocide these days?

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:06 PM (zOTsN)

283 95%+ of Amerindian deaths were due to disease. Disease brought over unwittingly by the Conquistadors from Spain and Portugal. Germ theory had yet to be discovered. Most Amerindians died without ever meeting a hispanic -- I mean white man. When British colonists arrived over a hundred years later, North America had already been depopulated by disease. It was a great historical tragedy. It was not a Genocide. Genocide, like homicide, requires intent. If I hate you and accidentally give you a cold and you get pneumonia and die, I haven't committed a homicide. There was no Genocide of the Native Americans. There was a Great Die-off. A historical tragedy that was sadly inevitable due to the lack of resistance to euroasian diseases.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:06 PM (ZPrif)

284 Many white men know me as Stands with a Beer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:06 PM (0HooB)

285 did i say you?

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:06 PM (Cq0oW)

286 my relatives came here in the 1860s. And some of them married them. Fucking haters

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:07 PM (zOTsN)

287 My ancestors slaughtered the natives, stole their land, enslaved the blacks, and exploited Mexicans and Asians for centuries. My ancestors were the winners.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 23, 2014 05:07 PM (kN6FA)

288 The Indians died because we brought them McDonalds and SUVs.

Posted by: --- at April 23, 2014 05:08 PM (MMC8r)

289 276 Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 09:04 PM (JS0vr)

ask the Romans how training their grandkids in the art of war worked for them when the Romans got too proud to pull their wagon....


coming soon to a superpower near you

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:08 PM (TE35l)

290 ok we never enslaved blacks, you fkn hater

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:08 PM (Cq0oW)

291 tribes all the way down now where's America?

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 05:09 PM (g/zj9)

292 Let me be more precise. Most Amerindians that died in the years after the Conquistadors arrived died from starvation. But the starvation was caused by the rampant disease that prevented them from planting and harvesting. Especially in North America. They couldn't survive winter. Imagine everyone getting the flu, colds, measles, mumps, smallpox, etc, etc. Wave after wave. Disease directly killed huge #s, but starvation killed the most. They were large agricultural societies. Without the manpower they couldn't farm.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:09 PM (ZPrif)

293 Ask the Germans and Celts and the Gauls and the Brits about how fighting as individuals works against a disciplined Army acting as a unit? Yeah, about that...

Posted by: Visigoths busy sacking Rome at April 23, 2014 05:09 PM (kN6FA)

294 Sad story: I knew a half-breed. Smart guy. Good student in HS. Joined the Navy. Did well. Got a service appointment to Annapolis. Washed out. Booze. Ugh. The assholes with "breeding" told him that he didn't belong. Plus, he didn't take the college-prep classes I had. He wasn't really prepared, academically. And his self-image didn't help.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:09 PM (V70Uh)

295 One interesting thing about the Lenni Lenape is that early descriptions and illustrations portrayed them as being fairly light-skinned. I don't know whether that is the case for other Northeastern Indians, but there is growing suspicion that some Ice Age Europeans migrated to North America by following the edge of the ice sheet across the North Atlantic while hunting seals.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 05:10 PM (sdi6R)

296 My heritage is Nordic and Germanic.


So. Question: why do American Indians get favored status to begin with?

You were conquered? Enslaved? So fucking what. Join the club and quit your goddam whining.

I know, right? 

My ancestors come from Northern England.  Not only were they de facto enslaved (i.e., serfs) for, oh, a couple of thousand years, their homeland was overrun by successive waves of invaders -- Scots, Picts, Romans, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. 

I'm the genetic product of 2,000 years of conquest.

Not to mention the whole "part Neanderthal" thing I've been hearing about lately.  That cross-breeding didn't occur all nice and peaceful-like, I don't think.

Posted by: Phinn at April 23, 2014 05:10 PM (i5GO4)

297 261 What I want is handouts for celibate people. I mean, talk about oppressed. Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 09:01 PM (oMKp3) -------------- No, no, no! Remember, handouts are for PREFERRED groups, not oppressed or despised ones. Celibates and virgins are disgusting. Barely a cut above pedophiles today. No soup for them!!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 05:10 PM (dfYL9)

298 self-image?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:10 PM (V70Uh)

299 293 omg stop. read military surveys of the day, esp in the northeast.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:10 PM (Cq0oW)

300 We used to hunt down and lynch Indians here in the South. They were harder to catch than other minorities when we were all liquored up and such. Then when I got older I realized my Grammy was part Indian and I felt sorta funny about it. Then I joined the Republican party and people just gave me money and stores gave me free stuff cause I'm White.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 05:11 PM (/6HIm)

301 Pixy hates i m a g e?

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:11 PM (V70Uh)

302 I am not guilty of the sins of my actual father or mother or uncles or grandparents or first cousins -- let alone everyone who shared a vaguely similar skin tone. I am responsible for my sins and noone else's.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

303 294 Visigoths busy sacking Rome at April 23, 2014 09:09 PM (kN6FA)

MY GRANDSON!

//Arminius

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:11 PM (TE35l)

304 Yeah, about that... Posted by: Visigoths busy sacking Rome at April 23, 2014 09:09 PM (kN6FA) On the other hand. *ahem*

Posted by: Francis Marion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:11 PM (yz6yg)

305 //Arminius Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 09:11 PM (TE35l) Hide! Daddy is looking for you!!!

Posted by: Thusnelda[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:12 PM (yz6yg)

306 When my father was about 17 the librarian in the town where he lived asked, "What is your ethnic background?" Thinking that this might be couched anti semetism he responded, "Shoshone" and with his dark hair and high cheekbones he certainly looked more Native American than Fauxchohantas. He never used it to get ahead in the academic world, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:12 PM (XyM/Y)

307 "Howie Carr rips Lie-A-Watha a new one practically everyday."

He has also pointed out that Fauxcohontas could resolve this entire question about possible Cherokee ancestry with a simple cheek-swab DNA test, which is now able to identify such ancestries with high reliability.

Carr has even offered to pay the cost of such tests. (Which are dirt cheap and would have been easily afforded by someone who had been pulling down $350,000.00 a year at Harvard Law.)

Warren has nevertheless not consented to undergo such a test.

There's an old Latinate legal phrase which I think they may even still teach at Harvard amid the indignant left-wing identity politics: _res ipsa loquitur_.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2014 05:13 PM (noWW6)

308 303 Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 09:11 PM (ZPrif)

Yeah it's almost like there is something in the bill of rights about that....

ah fuck it it was written by a bunch of slaver assholes.

//Barack "ConLaw" Ogabe

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:13 PM (TE35l)

309 Come listen to my story 'bout a man named Jed...

Posted by: Lieawatha Warren at April 23, 2014 05:13 PM (Dwehj)

310 Rez people choose to live in abject poverty on the rez. Period. What happened in the past is horrible, but it has no bearing on their future. The decisions they make are their own and they are responsible for their choices.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:13 PM (x3YFz)

311 Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 08:59 PM (x3YFz Hey T9 from previous thread everything is cool All you morons have a good nite & be well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 05:13 PM (HVff2)

312 301 We used to hunt down and lynch Indians here in the South. They were harder to catch than other minorities when we were all liquored up and such. Precisely why my ancestors - the Irish - were the Prey of Choice. Level playing field and all that.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:13 PM (v3BJ5)

313 I am pretty sure a great number were lost to assimilation and intermarriage. Not that they died, but that they ceased to identify as Indian

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:14 PM (zOTsN)

314 Bigby, what are you talking about? The Amerindian population by the time the British arrived was a fraction of what it had been. You should read more on the topic. There's been a lot of research in recent decades. We know for a fact that disease and the resultant starvation killed off the Amerindian tribes. Some survived, of course. But the British colonist were dealing with a remnant of what had been.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:14 PM (ZPrif)

315 There's an old Latinate legal phrase which I think they may even still teach at Harvard amid the indignant left-wing identity politics: _res ipsa loquitur_. Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2014 09:13 PM (noWW6) However, her argument in favor of her ancestry boils down to ipse dixit ::: fist bump :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion /i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:15 PM (yz6yg)

316 "Then I joined the Republican party and people just gave me money and stores gave me free stuff cause I'm White."

I find being white especially convenient when I"m caught committing crimes.

I just pull out my White Guy Card and show it to the cops. They have a good look round. If anyone is watching, they'll pretend to give me a hard time and shove me in the back of the cruiser.

Then they'll pull over a few blocks away and let me out. We all have a great big white laugh about the whole thing. It's great to be a white guy!

White Guy Card. Don't leave home without it.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2014 05:15 PM (noWW6)

317 Oh, man. Did anyone see Justice Breyer's daughter on Kelly File? Totally emblematic of what is wrong with the Episcopal Church.

Posted by: The Power of Rationalization at April 23, 2014 05:15 PM (aDwsi)

318 irish have curly tails, i heard

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:15 PM (Cq0oW)

319 StayPufft Marshmallow man met Elizabeth Warren and said, "Fuck! You're white!"

Posted by: Cicero Kid is white. Mom told me the same story about our Cherokee blood. at April 23, 2014 05:16 PM (Fp7JI)

320 O/T Miss Lindsey is pounding the TV with ads. So fucking what if he introduced legislation in the Senate to do blah blah blah. He voted in the Senate Judiciary Committee to advance Eric "The Red" Holder's nomination for AG to the Senate floor.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:16 PM (V70Uh)

321 I am pretty sure a great number were lost to assimilation and intermarriage. Not that they died, but that they ceased to identify as Indian Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 09:14 PM (zOTsN) uh.. you'd be surprised, maybe, to learn that that is not true. American Indians are tribal to a fault. They don't intermingle.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:17 PM (x3YFz)

322 White Guy Card. Don't leave home without it. Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2014 09:15 PM (noWW6) Whats in your wallet?!?! IYKWIMAITTYD

Posted by: The Black Guy Card /i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:17 PM (yz6yg)

323 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 09:09 PM (ZPrif)

Some in the SW were farmers but most NA were hunter gatherers.

Sure they may have cultivated a few patches of this or that here or there but they still led a nomadic way of life within a defined territory they claimed for their own and fought over with other tribes.

The idea of owning land was foreign to them and they laughed at the white man wanting to purchase land.

When ever they sold land to the white man, they laughed because they knew they didn't own it so they were cheating the white man.

They stopped laughing when the white man put up fences and started shooting anyone who trespassed.

The clash between the European settlers and the Indians was as much about perceptual differences as about territory and weaponry.

That the Europeans had the better tech and the numbers made the difference. That the Indians fought as individuals or raids and not groups/units and a disciplined action didn't help any.

Once the land was fenced and the herds were reduced the Indians didn't know what to do with themselves. Many refused to adopt white man ways and died in poverty. Many tribes (Hopi, Navajo ) adapted and are doing quite well comparatively.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 05:17 PM (JS0vr)

324 318 Oh, man. Did anyone see Justice Breyer's daughter on Kelly File? Totally emblematic of what is wrong with the Episcopal Church. Posted by: The Power of Rationalization at April 23, 2014 09:15 PM (aDwsi) I didn't see it. Did she call for going full-blown apostate?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:18 PM (oMKp3)

325 ? Totally emblematic of what is wrong with the Episcopal Church. Posted by: The Power of Rationalization at April 23, 2014 09:15 PM (aDwsi) She's the bad news. The good news is that there won't be an Episcopal Church in another 10 years. They'll all be in the Anglican Ordinariate of the Catholic ChurchÂ…or they'll be Unitarians.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:19 PM (yz6yg)

326 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_massacreý pretty good list of massacres there a ton in the east, quite a few by the spanish

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:19 PM (zOTsN)

327 It's also why the Conquistadors had crazy stories about dozens of men defeating thousands in battle. How could that possibly be? Well when the thousands are all crapping themselves and dying from the onslaught of disease it's kinda hard to fight back. The depopulation of the Americas from disease is one of the all time great historical tragedies -- which is incorrectly and maliciously labeled a Genocide. The Nazis really did try to kill all the Jews. The Spanish Conquistadors killed off most of the North American population without being aware they existed. Disease travelled faster than the white man did.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:19 PM (ZPrif)

328 318 - yes, I saw it - I wanted to throw something at the TV - she's a good little dhimmi

odd how these Interfaith groups almost always seem to be apologists for Islam


Posted by: Bigstar at April 23, 2014 05:19 PM (R6QU2)

329 317 White Guy Card. Don't leave home without it. That must be friggin' awesome. Here's my problem ... ... although I'm Irish-American (of the Penile Pursuasion), literally the Whitest of Races, I'm also genuinely Irish-American. And that means I'm not pure-bred. Let's face it - the Irish didn't discriminate back in the day, especially after a drink or six, also known as All the Damned Time. Thusly - I've got a fair share of Native, probably a tinge of Slave, and who knows what else going on. And that makes the White Guy Card a bit harder to play - especially up North.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:20 PM (v3BJ5)

330 so why not have someone pick up a glass she used, swab it and send it in for dna testing? publish the results and let her disprove them?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2014 05:20 PM (rDidD)

331 American Indians are tribal to a fault. They don't intermingle. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 09:17 PM (x3YFz) ********* That's not strictly true. A white woman friend of mine married a full blooded NA.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 23, 2014 05:21 PM (ojnk6)

332 My mom liked to tell the story of the Indians in Arkansas. They assimilated quickly (maybe the women were comely and the single white me were horny, no, that NEVER happens). Eventually, the U.S. Army comes in looking for Injuns. The Farmer (half-breed) tells the solders: "No Sir. There ain't no injuns round here."

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:21 PM (V70Uh)

333 328 Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 09:19 PM (ZPrif)

12 guys versus 20,000 makes good cinema but Amigo Grande!'s great grandpap had allies and force multiplier assets...

anyway if they didn't want the diseases maybe they shouldn't have eaten Amigo Grande el Senor's heart after they killed 'em?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:21 PM (TE35l)

334 Do I even have to say "What if she were a Republican?"

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 23, 2014 05:22 PM (9+ccr)

335 yeah, right, native Americans would never sleep with a white woman, just like the blacks, asians and hispanics. actually, I think there was a case about a native American man asserting his tribal privileges in a custody case claiming a kid he had with someone who was not native American.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (rDidD)

336 Yeah, about that...
Posted by: Visigoths busy sacking Rome at April 23, 2014 09:09 PM (kN6FA)

Sure take the conquering of Gaul and Germany and then 500 years later compare it as if the Empire was still the same.

Plus the reason the Visigoths conquered Rome is because they were trained by Rome. They were their Irregulars for centuries. Then when the Empire, weakened by wars and immigration, began to  collapse, it was easy pickens for a disciplined force.

Try again.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (JS0vr)

337 335 Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 23, 2014 09:22 PM (9+ccr)

Only if you say it in Arapaho

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (TE35l)

338 irish have curly tails, i heard ---- They don't start out that way. It takes years of sitting on a bar stool for it to happen.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (KKOmD)

339 318 A picture of Ms. Breyer http://tinyurl.com/na48xe7

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (aDwsi)

340 Only if you say it in Arapaho Ugh...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (9+ccr)

341 337 Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 09:23 PM (JS0vr)

Give the kid a break and address me....

//Arminius

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:23 PM (TE35l)

342
There are many condescendingly arrogant posts on this site from members of the unwashed proletariat who will meet their fate when I ascend to my rightful place in the governmental hierarchy. 

Posted by: Lizzy "Two Dogs Fucking" Warren at April 23, 2014 05:24 PM (nQjHM)

343 340 318 A picture of Ms. Breyer http://tinyurl.com/na48xe7 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:23 PM (aDwsi) Oh. Oh my.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (oMKp3)

344 well I think we can all agree, the real loser here is whoever married warren.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (rDidD)

345 There were plenty of massacres by the Conquistadors, of course. But there were plenty of massacres when Africa was colonized, too. And today there's 1 billion black people in Africa and whites are being expelled from the corner of southern Africa they briefly managed to dominate. Why? Why is sub-Saharan Africa still black and the Americas aren't amerindian? Because of disease. The amerindians were vulnerable to european diseases. The africans weren't. Hell the europeans were vulnerable to african disease. They couldn't conquer Africa till they had some meds to deal with malaria.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (ZPrif)

346 French-Irish-Sicilian. We get drunk and make an offer to surrender you can't refuse. And got here after the damage was done, so back the eff off.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Cylon/Cetacian hybrid at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (m9V0o)

347 339 They don't start out that way. It takes years of sitting on a bar stool for it to happen. MICRO-AGGRESSION !!! I'VE BEEN TRIGGERED !!! Now excuse me please. I've got one more tall-boy to knock back before I call it an evening.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (v3BJ5)

348 332 likely truer to say this is a large country with many varied indian tribes with their own history and ways of dealing with modernity. probably colorado and western indians are kinda tribal, etc

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (Cq0oW)

349 328 It's also why the Conquistadors had crazy stories about dozens of men defeating thousands in battle. How could that possibly be? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 09:19 PM (ZPrif) In the case of Cortez vs. the Aztecs, he had help from surrounding tribes who hated the Aztecs.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 05:25 PM (sdi6R)

350 A couple of spanish ships landed in Mexico a few years before Cortez. Only a few survived and european diseases were introduce which I believed wiped out a quarter of the population.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 05:26 PM (8c12T)

351 Twila Barnes, at http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com has researched the genealogy and Warren is not Cherokee, not even a smidgeon. She's the poster child for why "self-reporting" doesn't work as imagined.

Posted by: Watcher at April 23, 2014 05:26 PM (Mu1Tl)

352 mike that is some nasty shit

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 05:26 PM (g/zj9)

353 I would so love to say something. It would cause trouble. I'll drink something instead.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:26 PM (oMKp3)

354 "There are many condescendingly arrogant posts on this site from members of the unwashed proletariat who will meet their fate when I ascend to my rightful place in the governmental hierarchy." Posted by: Lizzy "Two Dogs Fucking" Warren at April 23, 2014 09:24 PM May Warrior's Longbow Find a Wounded Knee.

Posted by: No Crossbows at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (lq3Ak)

355 A picture of Ms. Breyer I thought Tiny Tim was dead.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (0HooB)

356 Sometimes ya feel like a squaw, sometimes ya don't.

Posted by: Lieawatha Warren at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (Dwehj)

357 340 A picture of Ms. Breyer http://tinyurl.com/na48xe7 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:23 PM (aDwsi) ---------------- Aaaaacccchhhh. Holy Mary of all the angels, pray for our deliverance from the demons.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (dfYL9)

358 my great aunt by marriage? her NA family intermarried with French Canadians all the way back to 1802 several generations of it perhaps that's just in the upper Midwest and Canada but the ones that stay on the rez no way its a ghetto mentality

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (zOTsN)

359 I swear to God, if this asshole gets anywhere near a nomination for President I will make it my personal mission to derail it. She is the biggest phony I have seen in politics in my lifetime, and that is saying something. Her "scholarship" on bankruptcy that first got her noticed was fraudulent, her faculty positions at Penn and Harvard were obtained under false pretenses, she is a greedy social climber masquerading as some populist heroine, and even some of her more colorful sayings are completely ripped off from others who said them first. There is nothing original, or intelligent, or remarkable, about her except for her capacity to fool millions of allegedly intelligent people into believing she is special. She is an even bigger con than Barack Obama, if that is possible.

Posted by: rockmom at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (vE1mx)

360 I heard the "two dogs fucking" joke at a company golf tournament. Not on the course. In the clubhouse at the dinner. I really like the guy who told it. But it was inappropriate for the audience. btw. Hawaiian with a Spanish surname. If a white guy tells it, he's gone.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (V70Uh)

361 The clash between the European settlers and the Indians was as much about perceptual differences as about territory and weaponry. That the Europeans had the better tech and the numbers made the difference. That the Indians fought as individuals or raids and not groups/units and a disciplined action didn't help any. Once the land was fenced and the herds were reduced the Indians didn't know what to do with themselves. Many refused to adopt white man ways and died in poverty. Many tribes (Hopi, Navajo ) adapted and are doing quite well comparatively. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 09:17 PM (JS0vr) The American Indian has, in my opinion, the greatest view on life. Respect everything. Be thankful for everything. It's a culture that is rich and loving. They didn't see the europeans coming. Not because they were stupid but because that type of greed and hubris never occurred to them. It just didn't make sense. Here's a quick example: Nowdays, when a kid goes off on his first hunt and drops a buck, he grabs the antlers and poses for a photo. To me, that's repulsive and vile. You just took a life, and evidently you think that's cool. It's fucking not cool. You're an asshole. Not because you took the life but because you revile in the act. Ignorant and selfish. I can hunt, if I need to, but fuck me if I'll ever take a moment of joy in taking a life. And the American Indian understands this.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:27 PM (x3YFz)

362 And clearly the euros were even more racist to black africans than indian tribes. First thing the Conquistadors did when meeting the amerindians was try to convert them. They were still debating whether black people were fully human.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:28 PM (ZPrif)

363 Elizabeth Warren fell into the flour sack. she got darker.

Posted by: Cicero Kid is white. Mom told me the same story about our Cherokee blood. at April 23, 2014 05:28 PM (Fp7JI)

364 358 Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 09:27 PM (dfYL9)

Dude not with Bruce Valanch's crank...

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:28 PM (TE35l)

365 in all seriousness, were the native Americans even using the wheel when the europeans showed up?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2014 05:28 PM (rDidD)

366 Drive by question, What was the first show with "canned laughter"? Off to watch Hockey.

Posted by: seamrog at April 23, 2014 05:29 PM (QShwc)

367 I don't know who Justice Breyer is, but what's wrong with the Episcopal Church can be well demonstrated by reading the confused nonsense of Easter Sermon of the Presiding Bishop of the ECUSA http://www.standfirminfaith.com/?/sf/page/31267 Another shining star of the Episcopal Church -or who a clever poster on "Stand Firm in Faith" calls SpongBobSquarePantheist" is Retired Bishop John Shelby Spong. Spong doesn't believe in a literal resurrection, doesn't really accept any authority of the Bible, thinks Jesus didn't perform any miracles reagardsthe atonement as "divine child abuse" and might as well be a Unitarian for any value he places on the historic creeds. Jesus was the ultimate social worker and luv will rule the day if think positive thoughts enough.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:30 PM (XyM/Y)

368 Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 09:25 PM (sdi6R)

yeah. Strange that the other tribes hated the Aztecs.

It surely wasn't that the Aztecs had this nasty habit of seizing their crops and their women and enslaving them and taking the men to top of pyramids and cutting their hearts out.

Probably was jealousy or something.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 05:30 PM (JS0vr)

369 The warriors (e.g. Sitting Bull) were too proud to farm, but not too proud to collect welfare.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:30 PM (V70Uh)

370 366 not for travel, but they didnt have horses either

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:30 PM (Cq0oW)

371 358 Aaaaacccchhhh. Holy Mary of all the angels, pray for our deliverance from the demons. Wow. All shitting aside, that chic is just ... Wow. She's really friggin' homely. She does not make my minimum cut. That, sadly, is a small club.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:31 PM (v3BJ5)

372 366 yankeefifth at April 23, 2014 09:28 PM (rDidD)

Not north of Mexic provably...

of course I suspect the Aztecs, Toltecs and Mayans had 'em....

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:31 PM (TE35l)

373 Now excuse me please. I've got one more tall-boy to knock back before I call it an evening. Heh.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 05:31 PM (Xn549)

374 Make that "SpongJohnSquarePantheist"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:31 PM (XyM/Y)

375 Yeah, there was help from smaller tribes who wanted revenge from the dominant tribes. But you can also imagine how confident the Conquistadors were when all the amerindians keep getting sick and they can just wade through them and never get sick. They honestly believed it was cause God was on their side. They had the cross and were protected. Cause nobody understood how disease worked.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:31 PM (ZPrif)

376 I know a guy in the military. Truly a very accomplished guy, but squadrons like to trash talk so when the squadon gave him his call sign? two dogs fucking they still call him two dogs

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:31 PM (zOTsN)

377 He wasn't really prepared, academically. That's the problem. Shouldn't have been accepted to Annapolis in the first place. It's one of the horrible effects of affirmative action. It means that someone who might have been able to compete and catch up by doing ROTC at a less-demanding school and succeed ends up washing out from Annapolis. Because the elites feel proud about bringing him into their club and leaving him to play with the ocelot.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:32 PM (T0NGe)

378 some Nigerians are calling for African chiefs to apologize for taking and selling slaves to Europeans whatever it's not like new world blacks are going to ask African tribes for 40 acres and a camel what they should do is go after rich Muslims

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 05:32 PM (g/zj9)

379 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 09:30 PM (XyM/Y) What I want to know is where is the accountability? Where is church discipline?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:32 PM (oMKp3)

380 296 One interesting thing about the Lenni Lenape is that early descriptions and illustrations portrayed them as being fairly light-skinned. Those Pacific Northwest tribes were in a big ass hurry to rebury my Caucasian looking ass before anyone got a better look, let alone good DNA samples.

Posted by: Kennewick Man at April 23, 2014 05:32 PM (QnqoN)

381 Has anyone asked Vic what actually happened in the 1600-1700s?

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 05:33 PM (3fEC+)

382
Oh, man. Did anyone see Justice Breyer's daughter on Kelly File? Totally emblematic of what is wrong with the Episcopal Church.
Posted by: The Power of Rationalization




Now, don't you think you're overacting just a --

[pic] http://tinyurl.com/kupq2cf

Oh, Dear Lord!  What's wrong with her face!


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 05:33 PM (kdS6q)

383 Drive by question, What was the first show with "canned laughter"? Off to watch Hockey. Posted by: seamrog I love lucy get off my lawn

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:33 PM (zOTsN)

384 I spend my days on the Blackfeet Reservation in northern Montana. My Blackfeet brothers think Ms. Warren is a poser trying to cash in on an ethnicity she has no connection to. If she wants to be an Indian, she needs to live like an Indian. The biggest "tell" to an Indian that you aren't one is when you claim to be related to a Cherokee princess. There are no Cherokee princesses.

Posted by: fairweatherbill deerslayer at April 23, 2014 05:33 PM (vA2UI)

385 When one of the kids or I catch a particularly good fish ... we usually smile for a picture and then are thankful we have corn-meal. But what can you expect, really ? We're part-Irish.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:33 PM (v3BJ5)

386 382 Daybrother at April 23, 2014 09:33 PM (3fEC+)

He was in the Royal Navy with Nelson at the time...

"priorities"

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:34 PM (TE35l)

387 I thought Tiny Tim was dead. Posted by: Backwards --------------- That was my precise thought.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:34 PM (aDwsi)

388 Some guy punched me in the face and now I have high cheek bones.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 23, 2014 05:35 PM (I9I9J)

389 "Because the elites feel proud about bringing him into their club and leaving him to play with the ocelot." Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 09:32 PM (T0NGe) Is this "A Thing"? Because if it isn't, it should be. -His arrogance allowed me to leave him alone. Let him play with the ocelot, as it were.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 05:35 PM (lq3Ak)

390 But my great-grandmother was a Choctaw princess. Daughter of the Chief. Yeah, that's right.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:35 PM (V70Uh)

391 "The American Indian has, in my opinion, the greatest view on life. Respect everything. Be thankful for everything. It's a culture that is rich and loving." You have obviously never read anything about the Shawnees and how they tortured captured combatants on the Kentucky frontier.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 23, 2014 05:35 PM (Fp7JI)

392 What's German for "a face in need of high cheekbones"?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:35 PM (T0NGe)

393 381 Kennewick Man at April 23, 2014 09:32 PM (QnqoN)

TRUST ME the Chinese were thrilled I am long since dust....

I am almost 7 feet tall with green eyes and a flowing red beard....

//Guan Yu of 185-219 AD hell raising on the Yangtze basin

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:36 PM (TE35l)

394 If Republicans were smart, we'd do an Operation Chaos and make sure she's the Dem nominee.

Posted by: Uniden at April 23, 2014 05:36 PM (13G+x)

395 When one of the kids or I catch a particularly good fish ... we usually smile for a picture and then are thankful we have corn-meal. But what can you expect, really ? We're part-Irish. you get my meaning. Sorry for the rant.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:36 PM (x3YFz)

396 If people want to make arguments against women in ministry-fine but the Episcopal woman priest needs some makeup, and a good haircut. It's not as if everybody in the RCC priesthood was a epitome of masculine pulchritude either.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:36 PM (XyM/Y)

397 My dad used to always say, when the grass was too tall ... "Boy, go cut that shit. That grass is asshole deep to a ten foot Indian".

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:36 PM (v3BJ5)

398 392 Cicero Kid at April 23, 2014 09:35 PM (Fp7JI)

Ohio had the right answer for the Shawnee and Miami extant....

not a lot of SouthWest Ohio tribes left.

//Simon Kenton

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:37 PM (TE35l)

399 Sorry; "An" epitome.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:37 PM (XyM/Y)

400 there are as many different NA cultures and belief systems as there are countries in Europe they don't all believe the same thing, have the same language, or the same mores that's modern wishful thinking

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:37 PM (zOTsN)

401 Is this "A Thing"? Because if it isn't, it should be. -His arrogance allowed me to leave him alone. Let him play with the ocelot, as it were. Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 09:35 PM (lq3Ak) I was just going with an Archer meme.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:37 PM (T0NGe)

402 "Hell the europeans were vulnerable to african disease."

Highly so.

That's why, inter alia, the cinematic depiction of slavers in Africa as shown by the hugely influential 1970s _Roots_ TV series is total bullshit.

Slavers burst into a peaceful African village and drag people away.

The slavers are, as depicted by the series, white men.

In reality? The slavers would have been African black men, who would take captives from other tribes to sell to whites on the coast, because whites who valued their lives in that premedical era would not enter the African interior.

"The Bight of Benin, the Bight of Benin. One man comes out where ten men went in!"

Posted by: torquewrench at April 23, 2014 05:37 PM (noWW6)

403 My great-grandmother was a Winnebago (Indian, not motorhome.) I actually met her when I was about 3 (or so the family narrative goes.) There's a picture of us. My dad even spent some time on the Res when he was a little kid.

Guess what? I'm as white as Hillary Clinton's ass.

Posted by: notropis at April 23, 2014 05:37 PM (bvlUm)

404 You have obviously never read anything about the Shawnees and how they tortured captured combatants on the Kentucky frontier. Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 23, 2014 09:35 PM (Fp7JI) It was a generalization. Obviously I don't speak for every indian.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (x3YFz)

405 396 i get it. fish aren't worthy of respect.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (Cq0oW)

406 331 so why not have someone pick up a glass she used, swab it and send it in for dna testing? publish the results and let her disprove them?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 23, 2014 09:20 PM (rDidD)

++++

You have to find someone to run the test for you.
From http://tinyurl.com/mashd7b

By 2012, 11 states had some form of comprehensive statute requiring consent for genetic testing, 15 states and the District of Columbia had no laws on DNA collection or disclosure at all, and most of the remaining states only limited DNA testing in certain contexts, such as insurance or employment.3

So, for the most part, you’re not committing a crime if you manage to snag a DNA sample without somebody’s consent. Getting it tested by a genetic genealogy company, on the other hand… well, you’d certainly be committing a fraud if you tried. All four places where I’ve currently tested — 23andMe, AncestryDNA, Family Tree DNA and National Geographic’s Geno 2.0 project — require that the sample be submitted by the person whose sample it is or by someone with the legal authority to consent for that person (such as a parent or guardian on behalf of a child).

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (IN7k+)

407 You have obviously never read anything about the Shawnees and how they tortured captured combatants on the Kentucky frontier.
Posted by: Cicero Kid at April 23, 2014 09:35 PM (Fp7JI)
All those stories are false.

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (I9I9J)

408 Fenelon - Don't get me started on Spong. Breyer is from the same same school. Her father (The Justice) is a non-practicing Jew, and her was not engaged in the church. She 'found' religion from some cowboy. Here's the scoop on her: http://touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=14-01-015-v Excerpt: "She begins her second semester of New Testament studies convinced that St. Paul is “a misogynistic zealot” who “has a lot to answer for.” She consigns most of his writings—which, of course, comprise the bulk of the New Testament—“into the category of things despite which I call myself a Christian.”

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (aDwsi)

409 396 you get my meaning. Sorry for the rant. Whenever I bag a really, really great buck ... I wake the hell up afterward. Because this is friggin' Indiana. Too many deer, not enough space, limits too low. What we call deer, some people call "A really well fed dog".

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (v3BJ5)

410 Episcopal woman priest needs some makeup, and a good haircut. And a dentist. Look, you can use their prayerbook, just don't use their dental practices.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (T0NGe)

411 The guy would have done fine at Annapolis if: he had spent another Senior year of HS: Trig, European History, English Lit, Physics. Smart guy. Didn't have the math and science underpinnings.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 05:38 PM (V70Uh)

412 One thousandth breed, that's all I ever herd.

Posted by: Lieawatha Warren at April 23, 2014 05:39 PM (Dwehj)

413 "I was just going with an Archer meme." Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 09:37 PM (T0NGe) *Roger that.* I liked it. It has a bouncy tone and cadence.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 05:39 PM (lq3Ak)

414 401 thunderb at April 23, 2014 09:37 PM (zOTsN)

I put my foot through a TV when Costner was narrating "500 nations"...

Look yes I respect the AmerInd but get this they were human not granola munching dandelion wine sipping fucking elves....

the goddamned Mohawks were hated by a lot of Great Lakes Tribes when we were just a myth from the Viking era to the Amerind.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:39 PM (TE35l)

415 fair enough fenelon

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 05:40 PM (g/zj9)

416
I'm as white as Hillary Clinton's ass.
Posted by: notropis




I'll take your word for it.  I ain't going downslope on The Hill to check.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 05:40 PM (kdS6q)

417 I keep saying that Dems prefer their candidates to lie.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 05:40 PM (BG5jZ)

418 "She begins her second semester of New Testament studies convinced that St. Paul is “a misogynistic zealot” who “has a lot to answer for.” She consigns most of his writings—which, of course, comprise the bulk of the New Testament—“into the category of things despite which I call myself a Christian.” Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:38 PM (aDwsi) oh for the love of pete

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:40 PM (oMKp3)

419 "Hell the europeans were vulnerable to african disease." Highly so. ------------------------- That's why I drink gin and tonic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:40 PM (aDwsi)

420 fish aren't worthy of respect. Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 09:38 PM (Cq0oW) i gave you ground. Stop poking.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:41 PM (x3YFz)

421 In reality? The slavers would have been African black men, who would take captives from other tribes to sell to whites on the coast, because whites who valued their lives in that premedical era would not enter the African interior. And frequently, there would be middleman who was an Arab.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:41 PM (T0NGe)

422 Yep, the white slavetraders stayed on the boat. The Spanish and Port Conquistadors only came to Africa and outbid the Arabs. The slave trade was pre-existing. The New World jacked up the prices though and the dominant tribes in West Africa started grabbing all the weaker tribes up and selling them. It was also used as a policing mechanism. Penalty for crimes. As the slave trade grew in the Americas the ruling tribes expanded the # of crimes where slavery was the punishment massively.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:41 PM (ZPrif)

423 And a dentist. Look, you can use their prayerbook, just don't use their dental practices. Posted by: Amish -------------- Now that[/i[] is damned funny.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:42 PM (aDwsi)

424 Will George Soros be buying up Warren's book in bulk as he did with Barack Obamas, or will he be waiting for the pre-nomination ghost written tome from Hillary?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:42 PM (XyM/Y)

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:42 PM (aDwsi)

426 416 Look yes I respect the AmerInd but get this they were human not granola munching dandelion wine sipping fucking elves.... Ever seen Lord of the Rings. They actually had granola munching dandelion sipping fucking elves. Get this - they all looked ... Irish.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:42 PM (v3BJ5)

427 I learned on my recent trip to New Orleans that black men had black slaves and Creoles also had slaves makes the reparation argument a little complicated

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:42 PM (zOTsN)

428 Whew! Near-barrel experience.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:42 PM (aDwsi)

429 Pre Book club comment: I read the autobiography of Cochise's grandson back in the '70s. He remembered being in the stronghold with the tribe at the end of the wars. He ended up in Hollywood at one point. It was a great book that left you with a vague profound feeling of a moment missed in Human history. An emptiness added. I think it was called. Ninõ.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 05:43 PM (jaEwf)

430 "Whew! Near-barrel experience." Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:42 PM (aDwsi) Did you see my relatives?

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 05:43 PM (lq3Ak)

431 429 thunderb at April 23, 2014 09:42 PM (zOTsN)

Nah bro not really FUCK YOU PAY ME!

//Al $lim $hady $harpton's Megaphone

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:44 PM (TE35l)

432 "She begins her second semester of New Testament studies convinced that St. Paul is “a misogynistic zealot” My theory on Paul is that he was dealing with a lot of Christian churches that were nothing more than sex cults with priestesses using sex as a central part of "worship". All sorts of weird stuff in the early church, the tamest of which would be gnosticism. Of course, Paul was the one who wrote the sexual and racial equality verse ("There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."), but this "young" woman knows more than anybody else, so let's listen to her "wisdom".

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:44 PM (T0NGe)

433 well I still contend that Warren had her NA "conversion" in 1973 because Wounded Knee was in the news that spring have any of her relatives confirmed these family "stories"?

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:45 PM (zOTsN)

434 429 I learned on my recent trip to New Orleans that black men had black slaves and Creoles also had slaves makes the reparation argument a little complicated Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 09:42 PM (zOTsN) The first genuine slaveowner in Virginia was...well, you know.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:45 PM (T0NGe)

435 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 09:41 PM (ZPrif)

Sort of like deportation to Australia, except somebody else provides the transportation and even pays you.

Posted by: notropis at April 23, 2014 05:46 PM (bvlUm)

436 but this "young" woman knows more than anybody else, so let's listen to her "wisdom". Posted by: Amish -------------- aka 'Self Actualized'..., and yet, and yet..., totally lacking self-awareness.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:46 PM (aDwsi)

437 she's a liar.

Posted by: Savage Stewart at April 23, 2014 05:47 PM (6j8ke)

438 I wonder if that Whiterun Guard in Skyrim is as Native American as Liz.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:47 PM (v3BJ5)

439 The Arabs were the slave traders. This goes back thousands of years. Take a look at an Egyptian mural sometime. In the Bible the black slaves are mentioned.

The actual slavers were (usually) the kings of the tribes. they either would sell off some of their population, (enemies and what not) or they would seize them during a raid or war with another tribe.

Then the Portuguese showed up and bought a couple. Cheap.

Europe was still depopulated from the plagues and labor was short.

For some salt and some beads you could buy a slave. The equivalent of a 4 cylinder engine these days in work output (accumulative not on tap).

These slaves also were kept on the coast in large huts so all the slave ship captains had to do was contract with the slaver and load 'em up. Sometimes the captains would try to bypass the slavers and sometimes this worked and other times they got eaten (by what or who ever).

This went on until white Christians decided that this was wrong.

Meanwhile the trade continues TO THIS DAY.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 05:47 PM (JS0vr)

440 Sure take the conquering of Gaul and Germany and then 500 years later compare it as if the Empire was still the same. Plus the reason the Visigoths conquered Rome is because they were trained by Rome. They were their Irregulars for centuries. Then when the Empire, weakened by wars and immigration, began to collapse, it was easy pickens for a disciplined force. Try again. It was intended as a goof, not a serious argument. If you do want a serious conversation, though, I have to point out that when Ceasar invaded Gaul, he was intervening in a Gallic Civil War, and never actually faced anything like a first-rate Gallic army. The Gauls were almost as advanced as the Romans were: quasi-republic/elective government, a developing town culture, coinage, iron-working technology better than the Romans, and even the beginnings of a truly professional army, IIRC. I can't remember how many Gauls were fighting alongside Ceasar, but he had plenty of logistical and political support from the locals and was never fighting anything more than a small part of Gaul at any given time. It is also worth mentioning that both Caesar and Tacitus mention the Germans fighting in formation, BTW.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 23, 2014 05:47 PM (kN6FA)

441 fish aren't worthy of respect. Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 09:38 PM (Cq0oW) And for the record, I do fish. And it does weigh on me when I take that life. You might think I'm mushy or some PETA guy. I'm not. Just my view of the world. Lions eat. Shoot, we have shrikes that impale finches on tree branches and nibble on the carcasses. All I'm saying is that it matters to me. That's it. Make all the fun of me you'd like but it won't change anything.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:47 PM (x3YFz)

442 BTW saw more than a few anti-Landrieu bumper stickers when in NO

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:47 PM (zOTsN)

443 my folks didn't get here till 1915 *** Some of mine came here in the early 1600's hence I am likely guilty of something

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 05:48 PM (DmNpO)

444 438 aka 'Self Actualized'..., and yet, and yet..., totally lacking self-awareness. After a decade or so of marriage, those amongst us who haven't "self actualized", cast the first stone.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:48 PM (v3BJ5)

445 380 What I want to know is where is the accountability? Where is church discipline? Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 09:32 PM (oMKp3) ---------------------- They are accountable to the Holy Zeitgeist. They are VERY disciplined, as any parish trying to buck the heretical trend knows. About the only thing a traditional parish can do to get around the hierarchy is to put themselves under the control of an African or S American bishop. Thus you may see an Episcopal church in Backwater, VA answering to the Bishop of Rwanda --- with a priest from Uruguay! But it's all very sad.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 05:48 PM (dfYL9)

446 It just really bugs me that the World's Greatest Crime -- the Genocide of the American Indian -- didn't really happen. It's one of the World's Greatest Tragedies. The deaths happened. But genocide requires intent. The Nazis didn't just say mean things about the Jews, kill some, and accidentally give the rest a fatal disease. They systematically tried to kill them all. Soviets and Chicoms really did purposefully starve millions to death. It's an abuse of language and history to call what befell the Amerindian tribes a genocide.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:48 PM (ZPrif)

447 Hey, um, O/T, but we're in the 400s right? Hi. Just found out about this, of possible interest to folks in the NE Oklahoma area, as a few of us get to be (Sherry? Soona?), so I rushed in here to share (sorry about banging the door): Liberty Rally Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Sarah Palin, and Oklahoma's "most conservative ever" Speaker of the State House and candidate for Coburn's Senate seat, T.W. Shannon. Tomorrow, Apr 24, 6pm, Green Country Event Center, 12000 E 31st Street, Tulsa, OK, 74146. RSVP at twshannon.com/rsvp, 918-246-6104, #TWLibertyRally We probably can't make it. Maybe you can.

Posted by: mindful webworker is inside your computer at April 23, 2014 05:49 PM (U13jb)

448 One of John Shelby Spong's greatest hit jobs was his contention that Paul was a self loathing closeted homosexual and without any evidence, of course, this was what his Thorn in the flesh" was.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:49 PM (XyM/Y)

449 aka 'Self Actualized'..., and yet, and yet..., totally lacking self-awareness. A pillar of conservatism is that 6000 years of human experience might have something to teach those of us who have only been around for less than 50 of them. Let alone less than 30.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:50 PM (T0NGe)

450 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:46 PM (aDwsi) I just can't fathom why a supposed minister of the Gospel would publicly disparage Scripture, and show derision for an apostle specifically and radically called by God. Whose side is she on, anyway? Who does she represent?

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:51 PM (oMKp3)

451 Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 09:47 PM (x3YFz) I get it. Being thankful isn't just for Thanksgiving. Alaskans often adopt that line of thinking, because ...Alaska. Gives a "new" definition to Animal Spirits.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 05:51 PM (lq3Ak)

452 Do you know why Eliz Warren and her handlers decided to include this chapter? I mean, do you know the real reason why? Because they think it helps her politically, naturally. Specifically, they think it's birther bait.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 05:51 PM (SlZiq)

453 Do you thing it strange that people who are always calling everyone else "Nazis" are perfectly comfortable with applying the Nazi "one drop of blood" racial standard when it suits them? Easily explained... they are inoculated from having to obey the rules of basic honesty that are applied to public figures who are not Democrats, and the media is the ever-vigilant family doctor who administers the vaccine that protects them, no matter how bad their behavior.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at April 23, 2014 05:51 PM (qIFL7)

454 Who does she represent? Posted by: grammie winger herself

Posted by: thunderb at April 23, 2014 05:51 PM (zOTsN)

455 I just can't fathom why a supposed minister of the Gospel would publicly disparage Scripture, and show derision for an apostle specifically and radically called by God. Whose side is she on, anyway? Who does she represent? Moreover, how did she get any type of position within the church?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 05:52 PM (0HooB)

456 A pillar of conservatism is that 6000 years of human experience might have something to teach those of us who have only been around for less than 50 of them. Let alone less than 30. Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 09:50 PM (T0NGe) ...and also why you keep a stack of history books next to the pooper.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:52 PM (x3YFz)

457 Grammie - I have posted this link several times in the past re The Episcopal Church, but perhaps you have not seen it: http://tinyurl.com/7q966rg

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:52 PM (aDwsi)

458 Incidentally, I still hate needles. This shit better be worth it.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 05:53 PM (SlZiq)

459 But it's all very sad. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 23, 2014 09:48 PM (dfYL9) Yes. Yes it is.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:53 PM (oMKp3)

460 456 See: 458

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 05:54 PM (aDwsi)

461 There clearly was a lot of brutal ethnic cleansing, as the European colonizers carved out territory. But not genocide. It's also why the areas that were geographically protected. -- like the Andean mountains or swamps of Guatemal -- are where the population today has the highest % of Amerindians. The geography protected some groups from outside contact enough that they were able to survive the transition and recover.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 05:54 PM (ZPrif)

462 All I'm saying is that it matters to me. That's it. Make all the fun of me you'd like but it won't change anything. Posted by: tangonine Respect.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 23, 2014 05:54 PM (ohOgf)

463 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:52 PM (aDwsi) Thanks Mike, I'll take a look. This whole thing grieves me.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:54 PM (oMKp3)

464 Incidentally, I still hate needles. This shit better be worth it. Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 09:53 PM (SlZiq) Just give them the "crazy eyes." Trust me.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 05:55 PM (x3YFz)

465 T9 a joke thats all

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 05:55 PM (Cq0oW)

466 442 And for the record, I do fish. And it does weigh on me when I take that life. You know ... I don't worry about it to your level - but in all seriousness I do like to end it quick, be it fish or fowl. Dicking around just seems sadistic. Does somebody mounting a trophy bug you ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 05:55 PM (v3BJ5)

467 449 One of John Shelby Spong's greatest hit jobs was his contention that Paul was a self loathing closeted homosexual and without any evidence, of course, this was what his Thorn in the flesh" was. Actually, given Spong's theses, it's easier to argue that Paul was a raging poonhound and the temptation of women drove him crazy.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 05:55 PM (T0NGe)

468 You want me to eyeball my syringes??

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 05:55 PM (SlZiq)

469 Posted by: Grey Fox at April 23, 2014 09:47 PM (kN6FA)

Well, I figured it was but still.

As far as discipline goes, the Germans may have had formations but they still had the "Warrior" mentality and after the first charge or sally, it was every man for themselves. Except maybe cavalry.

And who's to say whether the Germans were just mirroring what they say the Romans doing. I know that the Germans got their ass handed to them a few times and the Romans got it handed  to them a few times. (couple of legions wiped out)

Quantity has a quality all it's own.

But generally, armies that had the "Warrior" mindset did not do well against disciplined troops.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 05:55 PM (JS0vr)

470 Just to be clear, I am in no way targeting Episcopalians. There are certainly some Evangelical leaders going off the rails right now as well.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 05:56 PM (oMKp3)

471 ONT is UP!!!! -eleventy

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 05:56 PM (lq3Ak)

472 467 scoggdogg, Not if they use the meat and/or bury it... I'm no hippie and enjoy killing some things BUT: 1) love the target 2) respect God's gift 3) share if you're stocked up... I detest trophy guys who leave the carcass or waste meat.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 05:59 PM (TE35l)

473 Because the church has been taken over by leftists who are more concerned with income equality, gay rights and what the call social justice than the claims of the Gospel. The year before I was ordained in the 90s the "Jesus Seminar" came out with its list of things Jesus supposedly authentically said. They voted by the use of balls. If they thought Jesus said something they put in a white ball, if they were convinced he didn't say it they put in a black ball, and if they weren't sure I believe they put in a pink ball. These were biblical scholars across denominational lines including Roman Catholic. These are the kinds of things that infect and affect most mainline denominational seminaries.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 05:59 PM (XyM/Y)

474 The Canada Goose Gander statue in Wawa, Ontario, Canada - http://www.watertownhistory.org/Images/wawagoose.jpg Wawa was one of the two towns (Port Arthur / Fort William, now Thunder Bay was the other) for which the TV weatherman would provide temperatures and conditions for his "around the Lake (Superior)" report on his broadcast when I was a yoot living in Michigan's Upper Peninsula.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 23, 2014 06:00 PM (HsTG8)

475 T9, there are a bunch of early accounts -William Adair's History and Lewis and Clark's journals, off the top of my head - of Indians doing stuff like killing a herd of buffalo and taking only the tongues and hump, something that the white observers found abhorrent. Factor into this the extermination of the beaver by the Iroquois and the 15,000 deer hides that were killed by the southern tribes and shipped through Charlestown every year for most of the 18th century. Remember this when evaluating Indian customs towards dead animals...

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 23, 2014 06:00 PM (kN6FA)

476 Oh, yes, the "Jesus Seminar" came up with 27% or so being things that they felt Jesus actually said.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:01 PM (XyM/Y)

477 421 That's why I drink gin and tonic. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 23, 2014 09:40 PM (aDwsi) The story I heard about the invention of gin and tonic was, "The quinine was to treat malaria, the lime juice was to prevent scurvy, and the gin was to make you forget that you were living in a place where you had to worry about malaria and scurvy."

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 06:02 PM (sdi6R)

478 Gives a "new" definition to Animal Spirits. Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 09:51 PM (lq3Ak) Critters have souls. No more or less than you or I. That thing in Genesis about "dominion over the beasts?" Yeah... it's not about being #bossy, it's about being a steward of living things. Over the years I've been fortunate enough to have cared for many horses, cows, dogs, birds. Each one has a soul and they are all individuals. The more you realize it, the more the weight of caring for them and being a good steward descends. As far as I know, there is no life within at least 500 light years. So this is it. Life is precious, moreso than gold.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 06:03 PM (x3YFz)

479 473 I detest trophy guys who leave the carcass or waste meat. I'm the same. That's a pretty common attitude ... at least around here.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 23, 2014 06:04 PM (v3BJ5)

480 I like the analysis that shows the Mainline Protestantism morphed into "Social Justice" atheism. OTOH, I though St. JPII the Great had killed "Liberation Theology" but perhaps the death was exaggerated.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 06:04 PM (V70Uh)

481 The "noble savage" thing is a myth.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 06:06 PM (V70Uh)

482 tango , you'd have done better to not call a lot of hunters assholes . I'm happy when I make meat . Joyous even . You don't think indians had a fuckin' party after a successful buffalo hunt ? People that keep parrots are assholes . Oh , I'm sorry was that your ox that was gored ?

Posted by: awkward davies at April 23, 2014 06:07 PM (whqez)

483 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 10:01 PM (XyM/Y) Jesus wept. Of that I am sure. I just read the link that Mike provided. I think I'll join Jesus in some weeping as well My God. (Not said as taking His name in vain)

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 06:09 PM (oMKp3)

484 I understand grammie winger. :^) We have a situation which Timothy Keller who wrote "The Reason For God" in quoting Bonhoeffer called ""cheap grace" or a "non costly love from a non holy God who loves and accepts us as we are." I think God accepts us as we are and loves but doesn't want us to stay where we are. That's why this morning I posted the Easter letter from Pastor He clearly understands the costs and requirements of discipleship because he has suffered enormously. Much of the modern liberal church tends to thing of a political utopia as being the same thing as the Kingdom of God. And to be fair ,some other Christians think if we just had a conservative President we would be a Christian nation so there are people who are, IMO, off the rails all over the place.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:10 PM (XyM/Y)

485 The head of the Episcopal Seminary In MA called abortion a "blessing from God." It is evil and heart breaking.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:13 PM (XyM/Y)

486 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 10:10 PM (XyM/Y) Someday, you and I will meet. What a day that will be.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 06:13 PM (oMKp3)

487
Every single person the Demoleftists excrete into the populace is a complete and total fraud.

Pelosi: rich hag, liar and criminal
The guy out in San Fran: gun runner, makes laws that protect his illegal gun running.
Other pols in San Fran: pederasts
Hollywood: filled to the brim with drug addled insane pederasts
Obama
warren: liar and fraud, as big a fraud as a human being could ever be in our lifetime
The impartial media: bought and paid for, run out of the White House

Enjoy your evening!


Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Commissar at April 23, 2014 06:13 PM (HQml1)

488 Arrrrrrgh. Meant Easter message from Pastor Abedini

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:14 PM (XyM/Y)

489 FenelonSpoke, Thanks again for the mornings post. I have been reflecting upon "Cheap Grace" all day.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 06:14 PM (V70Uh)

490 Someday, you and I will meet. What a day that will be. Thank you. It may be in God's eternal Kingdom but it would certainly be much nicer if it happened before that. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:15 PM (XyM/Y)

491 Fenelon - have you heard pastor Abedini's wife? She is so strong and so sweet.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 23, 2014 06:15 PM (oMKp3)

492 ....I guess somehow the town got over its extreme hatred of mixed Indian marriages in the few hours between the ceremony and the party.... Howard Johnson - We'll have wedding receptions for the n*****s and the ch***s but not for the Cherokee..................Oh prairie shit everybody!!

Posted by: bobbymike at April 23, 2014 06:16 PM (hY7Vw)

493 I refuse to keep birds or fish. Most any animal really because I can't bring myself to keep them in any type of cage.

Dogs and Cats are more assimilated but then there's the concern for their welfare if something happens to their only care giver. which would be me.

I'd love to have a pet but I believe that would be selfish.

Plus a lot of animals don't really do well in captivity.

Some Birds especially.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 06:17 PM (JS0vr)

494 You're most welcome, Grandpa Jimbo, Everyhing I have ever read from that Pastor has been inspiring. He has a large share of the spirit of Paul and despite all he goes through he seems to have a great deal of joy so has taken Paul letter to the Phillipians to heart.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:19 PM (XyM/Y)

495 Cats never assimilate.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 06:19 PM (V70Uh)

496 I have heard his wife interviewed on the the ACLJ program. Yes, very strong and sweet.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:20 PM (XyM/Y)

497 Bonhoeffer could have stayed in the U.S. but felt compelled to return to Germany just before the War. I like the quote from George Patton earlier. Don't mourn men like this. Thank God that such men lived.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 06:22 PM (V70Uh)

498 ONT up. nice chat.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at April 23, 2014 06:23 PM (V70Uh)

499 Sorry, folks. i didn't mean to take this thread off of Warren and into a theological discussion. I'm going to blame it entirely on the guy who posted the picture of the Episcopal Women Priest, Just kidding, guy. ;^) It don't blame you and to be fair it doesn't take much to get me off and running on faith and theology.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:23 PM (XyM/Y)

500 Fauxcahontas vs Jeb. Popcorn?

Posted by: simplemind at April 23, 2014 06:28 PM (hTeQK)

501 And because i have a problem with social justice as it is thought by leftist religious folks it doesn't mean I think that the church shouldn't be about alleviating suffering or what is referred to the RCC as the corporal works of mercy. Jesus is quite clear about that. We're not supposed to accept Jesus as Lord and be pickled on the shelf until he comes back. We are supposed to grow in our faith and likeness to Jesus. It's just that too many churches are obsessed with gay marriage and abortion. As one Bishop In some other denomination (United Methodist?) said "If you are mainly concerned with those issues you don't belong in this church. We need to keep the main thing the main thing-spreading the Gospel and making disciples for Jesus Christ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:33 PM (XyM/Y)

502 O.k. I did it again. Sooorry. Bad Fenelon! Bad Fenelon! I'll go away now. Have a great rest of the evening.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 23, 2014 06:35 PM (XyM/Y)

503 "I guess somehow the town got over its extreme hatred of mixed Indian marriages in the few hours between the ceremony and the party."

Free beer will do that.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at April 23, 2014 07:02 PM (ab+jQ)

504 I said this the last time Elizabeth Warren came up, but I said it with a lot of words.  I'll use fewer now.

Warren is not Cherokee.

But IF she had Cherokee ancestry (which she does not), then there would be nothing illegal or immoral about her claiming it.  By federal and tribal law, anyone who can prove ancestry to a Cherokee-by-blood on the Dawes Rolls is Cherokee, and the blood quantum doesn't matter.

Anyone who agrees with Ace about the whole "self-serving," "99.2% white" deal is thus saying that it's somehow not okay for someone -- whom both the United States government and the Cherokee government would consider an Indian -- to not list that on the federal census, job app forms, etc.

If you think that, you're wrong.  It is perfectly okay for those people to do so, until and unless the laws change.  What makes it not okay for Warren is not that she's whatever percent white.  It's that SHE'S NOT INDIAN, by any objective or provable standard.

Posted by: Demosthenes at April 23, 2014 07:40 PM (PsN0n)

Posted by: Vic[/i] at April 24, 2014 02:52 AM (T2V/1)

506 My Mom always claimed one of her great-great relatives was Native American, and we have had a good laugh about it over the years. Now I feel like a fool. To think of all the ways I could have used this nugget of family folklore to my knowledge!

Posted by: Hamilton at April 24, 2014 05:02 AM (oMYHY)

507 Her Indian name is Old White Scrunt. She is also the lack of brains behind OWS.

Posted by: X at April 24, 2014 05:43 AM (KHo8t)

508 Please dear God! Make Warren the Donks' 2016 nominee.

Posted by: midwestconservative at April 24, 2014 11:12 AM (eFTkY)

509 Have you been catching all the Daily Beast and the Hill articles Promoting Warren as a more superior candidate than Hillary for the presidential nomination? They are really pushing the idea. Then again they are also pushing Dick Chaney's daughter to run for office.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at April 25, 2014 04:54 PM (vznMj)

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