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May 08, 2014

Federal Judge Shuts Down Secret "John Doe" Investigations of Scott Walker and Right-Leaning Groups
— Ace

I haven't written about this because honestly I continue not to understand it. I read almost the entire order shutting down the investigation (providing injunctive relief telling the progressive prosecutors from five counties to Shut It Down) and I looked up other writers discussing it but I still don't really understand what the prosecutors were doing.

John Ekdahl brought it up on the podcast a few times, and I didn't understand it then, either.

Well, I understand only the vaguest outline of it:

Prosecutors from five, get this, progressive-leaning counties were conducting a never-ending investigation into groups that just happened to support the union-limiting reforms in Wisconsin, based on a flawed reading (or deliberate misreading?) of campaign finance laws, and furthermore demanded that each target of the probe (and there were many) remain absolutely silent about it.

A judge has shut this anti-democratic, thuggish abuse of conservatives down.

The four-year effort by Democratic prosecutors to criminalize political speech in Wisconsin has hit the wall of the U.S. Constitution. In a ruling that could have consequences nationwide, federal judge Rudolph Randa issued a preliminary injunction Tuesday ending the secret John Doe probe of allies of Governor Scott Walker.
We've been telling you for months about the secret Wisconsin John Doe, which operates like a grand jury and forces targets to remain silent. The targets are right-of-center groups disliked by Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm, his special prosecutor Francis Schmitz, and the left-leaning state Government Accountability Board that regulates campaign finance...
Prosecutors had justified their dawn raids and harassment in the name of exposing illegal coordination between the Walker campaign and conservative groups. But Judge Randa ruled that the investigation was based on a mistaken reading of campaign-finance law that violated Mr. O'Keefe's First Amendment's rights.

One of the judge's key findings was that the law, supposedly put in place to prevent corruption and the rigging of political contests, cannot be permitted to be used as a club for corruption and the rigging of the political contests.

There's a minor epilogue as Judge Randa's order was technically defective but now he's reissued a correct order.

Update: This 2013 Legal Insurrection post seems to explain some of it.

As I understand it, the main complaint was that prosecutorial resources were being warped for partisan purposes.

As Wisconsin Reporter first revealed, the investigation, launched in early 2012 by the Democrat-led Milwaukee County District AttorneyÂ’s office, aims to prove conservatives illegally coordinated activities in the historic recalls of Gov. Scott Walker and Republican state senators, multiple sources say.
One source with knowledge of the investigation has told Wisconsin Reporter the ultimate goal is to bring down Walker, the bane of Wisconsin liberals.
Conservative targets and others close to WisconsinÂ’s latest politically charged John Doe contend the probe is nothing more than a Â“taxpayer-funded, opposition-research campaign.Â”
Â“This is not a question of what conservatives did wrong. ItÂ’s a question of one party in this state using prosecutorial powers to conduct a one-sided investigation into conservatives,Â” said one source who spoke on condition of anonymity due to his proximity to the probe.
What is striking is that no liberal organizations appear to be targeted in the John Doe, particularly interesting in light of the tens of millions of dollars pumped into WisconsinÂ’s unprecedented spate of recalls in 2011 and 2012 by union and left-leaning groups.

And it should be noted that these prosecutors were searching for evidence in their probe. One can then wonder why they didn't also think of searching for evidence of illegal coordination among Walker's opponents.

Posted by: Ace at 01:32 PM | Comments (277)
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1 Federal Judge... Not for long. We need recalls of Federal Judges!! Errr, in this case only...

Posted by: Teh Left at May 08, 2014 01:34 PM (FcR7P)

2 how do we get to the truth without endless investigations involving Republicans?

Posted by: mallfly at May 08, 2014 01:35 PM (bJm7W)

3 ...and the problem with these investigations was what?

Posted by: Lois Lerner at May 08, 2014 01:35 PM (w562C)

4 It won't be long before Judge Randa is accused of using a penis pump in court. NTTAWWT

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 01:35 PM (4nR9/)

5 Because persecuting conservatives ain't just for the vindictive obama sycophants at the IRS...

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at May 08, 2014 01:35 PM (K3RTK)

6 Intimidation.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:37 PM (9W+0f)

7 What did they call those laws in Nazi Germany which specifically targeted Jews? Oh yeah. "Nuremberg Laws". That Nazis are still the closest analog for these bastards.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 01:37 PM (bb5+k)

8 Prosecutors from five, get this, progressive-leaning counties were conducting a never-ending investigation... Rogue counties!! Nothing to see here...

Posted by: t-bird at May 08, 2014 01:37 PM (FcR7P)

9 Ideological Police State.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:37 PM (9W+0f)

10 Progress.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:38 PM (9W+0f)

11 Maybe if the prosecutor knew about hashtags....

Posted by: DM at May 08, 2014 01:38 PM (aRjVl)

12 Ok i had thought another Judge later in the day had interfered with that decision? or was this another case?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 01:38 PM (nqBYe)

13 Humane Progress.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:38 PM (9W+0f)

So Judge Randa's order will stand now?

Cool.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 01:38 PM (l/M30)

15 Ace on fire.

Posted by: m at May 08, 2014 01:38 PM (2AqeI)

16 Further reason for wanting a 2016 Walker run.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:40 PM (gmeXX)

17 Judge Randa was appointed by HW Bush. Does anyone doubt that had he been appointed by Clinton that the investigations and intimidation would have continued?

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 01:40 PM (bb5+k)

18 seems it has become a systemic problem . These guys have power to fight back, but honestly the rest of us don't have the kind of power and money to fight these bastards.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 01:40 PM (nqBYe)

19 willowed again

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:40 PM (yz6yg)

20 This is yet another example of the law being subverted, perverted, and compromised by liberal groups. It doesn't matter what the law says, or the intent of those who wrote it. This is just tyrants being tyrannical and disguising their actions in language acceptable to the gullible.

Posted by: Minority Report at May 08, 2014 01:41 PM (1UWg+)

21 #LetOurProsecutorsProsecute!

Posted by: Pouty Michelle Obama at May 08, 2014 01:41 PM (FcR7P)

22 16 Further reason for wanting a 2016 Walker run. Posted by: SH

And yet.....he's still an amnestista.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 01:41 PM (4nR9/)

23 one of the best parts of this was the judge noting there cannot be official immunity because the prosecutors never established probably cause.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 08, 2014 01:41 PM (FQLT3)

24 Fascism isn't wrong if it's all for your good, peasants.

Posted by: lyle at May 08, 2014 01:41 PM (PsvAT)

25 D Lamp can i say i wish it had been a dem appointee so i wouldn't feel They really won't stop and the dems are all just as corrupt as the next dem?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 01:42 PM (nqBYe)

26 Didn't the circuit court put aside this ruling?

Posted by: TimothyJ at May 08, 2014 01:42 PM (ep2io)

27 Little bit more from various local radio interviews as it gets a lot better.

There is a federal civil rights lawsuit ongoing with 1st Ammendment stalwart David Rivkin taking the lead as counsel for the conservatives targeted. They are going after the John Doe investigating DA's civilly also so they will have personal liability in this not covered by the taxpayers.

Rivkin also is intimating that the Government Accountability Board (GAB) which is supposed to be non-partisan was working hand in hand with the investigation...a major no no which could likely lead to its dissolution which would be great for the State of Wisconsin.

The DA's are going to pay for this one out of their own pockets big time...they've likely destroyed their own families in the attempt to take out Walker and they deserve everything that happens to them.

OKeefe deserves high praise for risking it and speaking out in the WSJ against the gag order that these DA's put out to anyone involved in the investigation

Posted by: H Badger at May 08, 2014 01:42 PM (n/0Nw)

28 I was expecting a Mike Litoris post. But this'll do.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:42 PM (KxmPO)

29 This is yet another example of the law being subverted, perverted exerted, extorted and distorted.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 08, 2014 01:42 PM (4nR9/)

30 one of the best parts of this was the judge noting there cannot be official immunity because the prosecutors never established probably cause.

Posted by: joeindc44

Sweet! That means civil suit with damages, right??

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at May 08, 2014 01:43 PM (JmGFJ)

31 Human beings are political animals. Therefore, everything is partisan. They're, in fact, political, ideological, philosophical, and Theological "animals." But a lot of bureaucrats are just animals, so they don't move much beyond the "political animal" stage.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:43 PM (9W+0f)

32 This is yet another example of the law being subverted, perverted exerted, extorted and distorted. It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:43 PM (yz6yg)

33 These prosecutors wasted tax money on a partisan fishing expedition who's sole purpose was to drive their ideological enemies into bankruptcy or at least cowed silence.

In olden times would have been called Inquisitors or Witch Finders. In the USSR, the KGB.

Someone needs to pay dearly for this malfeasance.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 01:44 PM (HZkuJ)

34 This reminds me of something. It's vague, but I seem to recall not too long ago some asshole prosecutor in Texas, I think, who was doing some nasty shit. Anyone remember this jerkoff and what he was doing?

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:44 PM (KxmPO)

35 But a lot of bureaucrats are just animals, so they don't move much beyond the "political animal" stage.

Do you have a life, or is this pretty much it?

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 01:44 PM (4nR9/)

36 oh i forgot *uptwinkles*

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 01:44 PM (nqBYe)

37 Power corrupts. And those who seek power above all else are probably corrupt to begin with.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:44 PM (9W+0f)

38 Further reason for wanting a 2016 Walker run. Posted by: SH And yet.....he's still an amnestista. ------ That's not my understanding. Truly, who knows where he really is on this issue. Time will tell. But for now, there is a lot to like.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (gmeXX)

39 How is this not a Deprivation under Color of Law?

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (QupBk)

26 Didn't the circuit court put aside this ruling?

Posted by: TimothyJ at May 08, 2014 05:42 PM (ep2io)

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I was wondering the same thing.

Apparently not?

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (l/M30)

41 What screams in my ears is in what America would it even be considered within the realm of possibility that this would be not just possible, tolerated? Yet people are attempting to defend this practice, just as they are actively excusing the persecution of specific groups by the IRS.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (BZAd3)

42 A Texas sheriff maybe? Oh, maybe it was an Arizona sheriff or prosecutor who was saying or doing some nasty shit.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (KxmPO)

43 At this point what difference does it make.

Posted by: Some blonde old hag who wants to be president at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (49izV)

44 It is clear, without a doubt, that Walker and his supporters conspired to conduct politics in the first degree. They need to be punished.

Posted by: Union Loving Leftie at May 08, 2014 01:45 PM (IN7k+)

45 Power unmoderated by wisdom is vice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:46 PM (9W+0f)

46 Shut up, you stupid stupids! The debate is over. Everything you say should be illegal. You're on the wrong side of history. And you should be arrested and punished for not joining our diversity.

Posted by: Every So-called progressive Everywhere at May 08, 2014 01:46 PM (0cMkb)

47 Anyone remember this jerkoff and what he was doing? ---- Ronnie Earle in Travis County. Went after delay who had his conviction overturned.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:46 PM (gmeXX)

48 18 seems it has become a systemic problem . These guys have power to fight back, but honestly the rest of us don't have the kind of power and money to fight these bastards. Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 05:40 PM (nqBYe) 19 willowed again Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 08, 2014 05:40 PM (yz6yg) I will point out that Willow wasn't willowed.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 01:46 PM (bb5+k)

49 And vicious.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:46 PM (9W+0f)

50 This reminds me of something. It's vague, but I seem to recall not too long ago some asshole prosecutor in Texas, I think, who was doing some nasty shit.

Anyone remember this jerkoff and what he was doing?

Posted by: Soothsayer

Do you mean Ronnie Earle, the prosecutor who torched Tom Delay?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (JmGFJ)

51 Hmm. I'm starting to see a pattern here.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (8ZskC)

52 32 This is yet another example of the law being subverted, perverted exerted, extorted and distorted.

It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.

Not to mention boisterous, anomalous, and lugubrious.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (4nR9/)

53 Repressive.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (9W+0f)

MILWAUKEE (WRN) For the second time in three days, a federal judge has ordered a halt to the John Doe probe into campaign activities surrounding WisconsinÂ’s recall elections.

Just a day after a federal appeals court stayed his initial order in the case, Judge Rudolph Randa ruled that an appeal by prosecutors to keep the investigation going was frivolous. The decision puts a preliminary injunction back in place ordering an end to the probe and the destruction of evidence.

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (nTgAI)

55 Regressive.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (9W+0f)

56 Damn. This will certainly delay the opening of the camps, at least for a while.

Posted by: Wisconsin at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (Dwehj)

57 I thought a second Federal judge reversed the stop order.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (mTyRc)

58 Ronnie Earle in Travis County. Went after delay who had his conviction overturned. Yep, that's the cocksucker. Thanks.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:47 PM (KxmPO)

59 Aggressively Progressive.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:48 PM (9W+0f)

60 You are thinking of the 2005 prosecution of Tom Delay by, get this, a liberal DA in Texas, who forum shopped his insane idea that using money legally was a form of money laundering because if you laundered money, it was then illegal. Guess what, he found someone to buy that. Then Delay had to step down because, get this, the GOP is bunch of dickless nancy boys.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 08, 2014 01:48 PM (FQLT3)

61 That Nazis are still the closest analog for these bastards. Posted by: D-Lamp ------------------------ That can not be repeated too often, but when speaking, I prefer the softer introduction to the idea that they are Democratic Socialists. The typical Left /Lib can't quite bring themselves to deny it, because it is manifestly true. Sooner or later they may connect the dots. Left/Lib : Who are you going to vote for? Me : Well, I've not decided, but it won't be Hagan. Left/Lib: Why not? Me: Well, because I could never bring myself to vote for a Democratic Socialist. Left/ Lib: Uh...., oh...., uh..., hmm.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 01:48 PM (aDwsi)

62 That's not my understanding. Truly, who knows where he really is on this issue. Time will tell. But for now, there is a lot to like.

There's the problem. It's an iron law of politics; if a politician's position on amnesty isn't clear, he's for it.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 01:48 PM (4nR9/)

63 25 D Lamp can i say i wish it had been a dem appointee so i wouldn't feel They really won't stop and the dems are all just as corrupt as the next dem? Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 05:42 PM (nqBYe) I can see your point, but I urge you to suffer under no illusions as to the integrity of Democrat Judges. One only need look at various supreme court rulings to realize that Dem judges are just a rubber stamp for Dem ideology. Expecting mercy from them is wishful thinking, i'm afraid.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 01:48 PM (bb5+k)

64 I will point out that Willow wasn't willowed. Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 05:46 PM (bb5+k) I noticed. Pal

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (yz6yg)

65 "It's a question of one party in this state using prosecutorial powers to conduct a one-sided investigation into conservatives..." Our hands are tied. It's policy.

Posted by: Milwaukee County DA John Chisholm, et al. at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (1CroS)

66 The lawyers should hang first.

Posted by: BEL at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (thLL8)

67 You should really listen to Winston Wolfs advice. The prosecutors have filed an emergency application to stay the judges order because something something standing something something preemption. The left unlike the right never gives up. Something to be learned from. Oh yeah one of the biggest news stories today is SNOOKI'S having a girl.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (8tAEF)

Posted by: Union Loving Leftie at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (IN7k+)

69 This is the same shit they did to Delay

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (T2V/1)

70 I was getting him mixed up with that douche bag sheriff in Arizona who couldn't keep his stupid Democrat mouth shut about the Tea Party to be blamed for Giffords.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:49 PM (KxmPO)

71 We were hoping to round up everybody who remotely disagreed with us by July 4th.

Posted by: Wisconsin at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (Dwehj)

Wisconsin Club for Growth attorney David Rivkin praised the decision, saying Judge Randa corrected a technical oversight identified by the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Rivkin says the decision re-affirms that Â“the John Doe probe is an abuse of government power to target private citizens for exercising their free speech rights.Â”

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (nTgAI)

73 Doesn't Scott Walker know that stopping secret, unamerican, illegal campaigns against the GOP, its donors and voters will only drive the moderates from the GOP. Please, we need to stop corruption, especially imagined GOP corruption. This is one reason why the Cooch lost in Virginia. I mean, can you think of any electorial success the GOP has had since Obama was elected?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (FQLT3)

74 The governor should hashtag the hell out of those guys. #TakeThisFuckers

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (+lsX1)

75 Not to mention boisterous, anomalous, and lugubrious. Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 08, 2014 05:47 PM (4nR9/) Oh....it's definitely lugubrious

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (yz6yg)

76 Here, everyone who donated to Scott Walker (or rightwing groups), you must now pin this Red Star to your lapel.

Posted by: teh Left at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (FXTmE)

77 well it's all intimidation tactics. they are attempting to throw a wrecking ball through normal political process , as they do with everything Have to admit they have me pretty intimidated but also madder than hell. i think mad will win this

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (nqBYe)

78 This reminds me of something. It's vague, but I seem to recall not too long ago some asshole prosecutor in Texas, I think, who was doing some nasty shit. Anyone remember this jerkoff and what he was doing? Posted by: Soothsayer Â§ at May 08, 2014 05:44 PM (KxmPO) Don't recall his name, but he was prosecuting Tom Delay. (Since exonerated.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (bb5+k)

79 Did the judges order prevent the destruction of evidence? Or order it?

Posted by: toby928© at May 08, 2014 01:50 PM (QupBk)

80 Then Delay had to step down because, get this, the GOP is bunch of dickless nancy boys. You remember it perfectly.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:51 PM (KxmPO)

81 The other thing about the DeLay "conviction" was that the Grand Jury failed to return a true bill twice before they shopped around and stacked one.

While technically not illegal it is never done.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 01:51 PM (T2V/1)

82 The Government can never become so big that it "polices itself." It will just end up policing everything else instead.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:51 PM (9W+0f)

83 Ot Debbie Wasserman Schultz was caught and released today as she was mistaken for a Mega Mouth Shark...

Posted by: 7 Days in May at May 08, 2014 01:51 PM (5V+Di)

84 Texas DA persecuting Tom Delay? Thought he starred in a movie called My Name is Earle?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (HZkuJ)

85 Please, we need to stop corruption, especially imagined GOP corruption. This is one reason why the Cooch lost in Virginia. I mean, can you think of any electorial success the GOP has had since Obama was elected? Posted by: joeindc44

Yeah, I wonder if McDonnell's wife regrets pressuring him to accept jewelry. Could'a had the big house.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (4nR9/)

86 There's the problem. It's an iron law of politics; if a politician's position on amnesty isn't clear, he's for it. ---- I don't think that is necessarily true. I am willing to give some leeway to conservatives running in blue states who have to get elected there. Not complete leeway, but some. I look at things in the aggregate, and Walker looks a lot different than say Christie. I'm not sure whether he has ever really thought about it - why would he as gov of Wisc? Unless there is something out there I don't know about, I'm willing to reserve judgment on how he feels about that issue for now.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (gmeXX)

87 The Government can never become so big that it "polices itself." It will just end up policing everything else instead. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 05:51 PM (9W+0f) It's cheaper that way.

Posted by: AFGE Local 1 [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (yz6yg)

88
"Early in the case, Democratic Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm and the others asked Randa to throw out the case, arguing they are immune from lawsuit as prosecutors and state officials. They also argued the case should be dismissed because federal courts are often barred from getting involved in state proceedings. "

Under the "no tag backs" clause of the Wisconsin State Constitution....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (kdS6q)

89 >>>This reminds me of something. It's vague, but I seem to recall not too long ago some asshole prosecutor in Texas, I think, who was doing some nasty shit.
Anyone remember this jerkoff and what he was doing?
Posted by: Soothsayer Â§ at May 08, 2014 05:44 PM (KxmPO)

Don't recall his name, but he was prosecuting Tom Delay. (Since exonerated.) Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 05:50 PM (bb5+k)<<<

Avenge me!

Posted by: zombie Ted Stevens at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (FXTmE)

90 Bureaucrats will end up "policing" politicians and activists. Thereby, becoming activists themselves.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (9W+0f)

91 Obstreperous, barbarous, dangerous, and cankerous.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (aDwsi)

92 Someone needs to ask Boehner, McCain, McConnell, Cantor, and Graham about this. I'm sure they'd defer, saying it was a local story.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 01:52 PM (g+d/y)

93 Oh. Thank you Jackhole. If the Socialists in Wisconsin had any sense they'd just dunk Walker; If he floats he's a Witch.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (ktO4n)

94 From this day forward, all of your cheese will be red. And you'll like it.

Posted by: Wisconsin at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (Dwehj)

95 Yeah, I wonder if McDonnell's wife regrets pressuring him to accept jewelry. Could'a had the big house. Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 05:52 PM (4nR9/) The one in Lorton, right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (yz6yg)

96 Hell, we have this going on at the national level as well. The fkn EPA is targeting firms based on donations, just like the IRS

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (ZkzmI)

97 The prosecutors have filed an emergency application to stay the judges order because something something standing something something preemption. The left unlike the right never gives up. Something to be learned from. The prosecutors have filed an emergency application to stay the judges order because something something standing something something preemption. The left unlike the right never gives up. Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 05:49 PM (8tAEF) I thought i'd read something liek that last night.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (nqBYe)

98 ~~Mega Mouth~~ Goblin Shark.

Posted by: BEL at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (thLL8)

99 Oh. Thank you Jackhole. Heh.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (KxmPO)

100 While Delay was exonerated on that issue, he wasn't perfect. Many here did not like him.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:53 PM (gmeXX)

101 Therefore, Government must be down-sized till politicians and bureaucrats can be "policed" by the electorate.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:54 PM (9W+0f)

102 Bureaucrats will end up "policing" politicians and activists. Thereby, becoming activists themselves. Posted by: Mirror --------------- You rang?

Posted by: The FEC at May 08, 2014 01:54 PM (aDwsi)

103 "Early in the case, Democratic Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm and the others asked Randa to throw out the case, arguing they are immune from lawsuit as prosecutors and state officials. They also argued the case should be dismissed because federal courts are often barred from getting involved in state proceedings. " Evidently he was absent in law school the day they covered pre-emption.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:54 PM (yz6yg)

104 Yes, Delay would never win over the Hunstman wing of the GOP. Since Hunstman loves science unlike us cavemen.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 08, 2014 01:54 PM (FQLT3)

105 Since we're all remembering shit, do you also remember that anal aperture from Arizona sheriff I mentioned.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:55 PM (KxmPO)

106 The alternative is totalitarianism. Whether "benevolent" or not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:55 PM (9W+0f)

107

This reminds me of something. It's vague, but I seem to recall not too long ago some asshole prosecutor in Texas, I think, who was doing some nasty shit.

Anyone remember this jerkoff and what he was doing?

Yes, but he's dead now.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2014 01:55 PM (ZkzmI)

108 Don't recall his name, but he was prosecuting Tom Delay. (Since exonerated.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 05:50 PM (bb5+k)

It was Ronnie Earl and he is now still practicing lawfare after the TX Supreme Court reversed the conviction he plans on appealing that reversal. I have no idea who he is going to appeal it to. DeLay was hounded from office by the RNCe because they believe in purity.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 01:55 PM (T2V/1)

109
Remember way back to the 2008 election when some Missouri prosecutors and sheriffs were going to arrest people for campaigning against obama.

That was an early indication of this tactic that the Dems have since been employing. This story from WI, IRS, EPA, BLM, DOJ, DOE, FBI, NASA, etc; all now used to politically target the Right.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 08, 2014 01:55 PM (hJauc)

110 Aggressive, ideological totalitarianism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:56 PM (9W+0f)

111 Many here did not like him. Many of the pussies, here, you mean. The ones who can't take the political heat and end up hiding behind the High Road.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 01:56 PM (KxmPO)

112 Ok.... back to the IRS Audits for a sec... IF 10% of the people are giving money to TEA party groups. AND 10% of them are being audited.... Then that's 1% of the population at the intersection of both groups... As the IRS only audits 1% of Taxpayers.... Doesn't that mean they are ONLY auditing TEA party folks?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2014 01:56 PM (84gbM)

113

"He issued a sweeping order calling not only for the probe to be closed but for evidence to be returned to the defendants and the prosecutors' notes to be destroyed. He said any effort to revive the probe would result in contempt order."

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 08, 2014 01:56 PM (nTgAI)

114 GOBLIN GIRL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1FGFV_i4G0

Posted by: Zombie Zappa at May 08, 2014 01:56 PM (CJ1mO)

115
Also, the Journal-Sentinel makes sure to run the story with a picture of Gov. Scott Walker giving his troops the traditional Republican "Hitlergruss".

http://tinyurl.com/oklngxq

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2014 01:57 PM (kdS6q)

116 I'll say this though, Delay could whip the votes, and he would never have the issues that Boehner had. But let's not remember Delay as being this great conservative rep that he was not.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:57 PM (gmeXX)

117

@26 Didn't the circuit court put aside this ruling?

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They put aside his previous ruling, which was pretty much identical. But they listed the technical reasons why that ruling didn't work, and outlined how to fix the ruling so that it would work. This is Judge Randa's ruling with all of the fixes in place.

Posted by: junior at May 08, 2014 01:57 PM (UWFpX)

118 Totalitarianism which always "discriminates" Leftists. Using the word properly.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 01:57 PM (9W+0f)

119 "Just a day after a federal appeals court stayed his initial order in the case, Judge Rudolph Randa ruled that an appeal by prosecutors to keep the investigation going was frivolous. The decision puts a preliminary injunction back in place ordering an end to the probe and the destruction of evidence." Well isn't that interesting. Now why would an up-and-up team of prosecutors and AGs need to bury/destroy evidence?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 08, 2014 01:57 PM (1CroS)

120 @98 Dude, I just snorted Pabst blue ribbon out my nose. Ruined a perfectly good keyboard.

Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 01:58 PM (8tAEF)

121 OT/But the Dems really have their panties in a wad over the Benghazi select Committee! Near hysterics .... Of course the media is backing them in calling this a "show" trial etc. Their tears are delicious!

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 08, 2014 01:58 PM (9+ccr)

122 Many of the pussies, here, you mean. The ones who can't take the political heat and end up hiding behind the High Road. --- No I mean many of the voters in his district, of which I am in. He had a reputation of being a corrupt business person and was not liked by many - though we voted for him.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 01:58 PM (gmeXX)

123 Our new state bird is now the Valkyrie.

Posted by: Wisconsin at May 08, 2014 01:58 PM (Dwehj)

124 Democracy just died tonight.

Posted by: Metro Wisconsin PJ Boy at May 08, 2014 01:58 PM (dvRYt)

125 Well isn't that interesting. Now why would an up-and-up team of prosecutors and AGs need to bury/destroy evidence? Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 08, 2014 05:57 PM (1CroS) I liked that touch by the judge. Basically he's saying, "I don't trust you nickelfuckers."

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/b][/s][/u] at May 08, 2014 01:58 PM (yz6yg)

126 In the Imperial Galactic Database Earth is classified as a Level 2 planet. Meaning a shithole with a few nice beaches. Visit at your own risk.

Posted by: eman at May 08, 2014 01:59 PM (EWsrI)

127 [hand wave] "This is not the evidence you are looking for."

Posted by: The Illusionist at May 08, 2014 01:59 PM (1UWg+)

128 Totalitarianism which always "discriminates" itself and its sycophants. Thereby becoming even more totalitarian.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 02:00 PM (9W+0f)

129

112...Doesn't that mean they are ONLY auditing TEA party folks?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2014 05:56 PM (84gbM)

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And people who donate to them...so, Yes.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:00 PM (l/M30)

130 125 Well isn't that interesting. Now why would an up-and-up team of prosecutors and AGs need to bury/destroy evidence? Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 08, 2014 05:57 PM (1CroS) I liked that touch by the judge. Basically he's saying, "I don't trust you nickelfuckers." Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 08, 2014 05:58 PM (yz6yg) Phone call to DNC from AG: can you believe that Judge? He's ordering us to destroy everything we've gathered.... so we're putting it in the trash.... sure hope no one steals the trash before the garbage men destroy it....

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2014 02:00 PM (84gbM)

131 OK, Ronnie Earl is not dead. Just wishful thinking on my part.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 08, 2014 02:00 PM (ZkzmI)

132 Didn't a WI appeals court issue a stay on this judge's stay?

From this morning link I had:

The Scott Walker "win" in court has been delayed by an appeals court. More lawfare from the Dems.

http://tinyurl.com/nnwm3o3

Posted by: Vic[/i] at May 08, 2014 02:00 PM (T2V/1)

133 My litmus test for candidates from now is on simple: Are you a totalitarian? If the answer is No, I'll vote for them. I don't care what else they do. But if they side with the D's on Anything, they're O-U-T eliminated from my consideration.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 02:01 PM (KxmPO)

134 oh by the way, has everyone heaped twitter scorn on the aussie teacher who thought the nazzzies were, get this, unfettered capitalists?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 08, 2014 02:01 PM (FQLT3)

135 This doesn't have anything to do with our litmus tests and keep in mind most of us wouldn't know a grand jury from Grand Funk Railroad and a lot of us are retired on public money pensions from state agencies, without being able even to grasp the irony. To us this somehow means that Boehner and McConnell are Mexican and should be deported. Or whatever.

Posted by: The "Base" at May 08, 2014 02:01 PM (pmsMR)

136 My litmus test for candidates from now is on simple: Are you a totalitarian? ---- That's a good test. Does that include anyone who thinks the state should be interfering with our private lives?

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:02 PM (gmeXX)

137 Totalitarian Idiocracy. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 08, 2014 02:03 PM (9W+0f)

138 OK, Ronnie Earl is not dead. Just wishful thinking on my part. Posted by: Vashta Nerada He's dead to me.

Posted by: Daybrother at May 08, 2014 02:03 PM (NpT96)

139 Hey, this would make a great book!

Posted by: Franz Kafka at May 08, 2014 02:03 PM (MMC8r)

140 I suspect that the next Republican presidential candidate will find his campaign funds seized by the IRS around mid-September of 2016.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 08, 2014 02:03 PM (tIvOy)

141 *federal courts barred from involvement in state proceedings* Yeah, federal courts just love being told that they don't have the power to do something.

Posted by: real joe at May 08, 2014 02:03 PM (xXhgd)

142 It depends. I'm not a free-for-all Libertarian.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at May 08, 2014 02:03 PM (KxmPO)

143 Ace they went on fact finding missions into people's homes, donors who gave to campaigns against unions, ruthless.

Posted by: Madamex at May 08, 2014 02:04 PM (vaWdD)

144 Localism is the key.

Posted by: toby928© believes that localism is the key at May 08, 2014 02:04 PM (QupBk)

145 I was expecting a Mike Litoris post. But this'll do. You left it a little raw & exposed in the last thread.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 02:04 PM (aJd5W)

146

@132Didn't a WI appeals court issue a stay on this judge's stay?

From this morning link I had:

The Scott Walker "win" in court has been delayed by an appeals court. More lawfare from the Dems.

http://tinyurl.com/nnwm3o3
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As the link points out, the appeals court basically told Randa how to fix the injunction. Which he did. Ace's post is about the fixed version of the injunction, which now must be appealed on its merits instead of on a legal technicality.

Or in other words, the investigators need to try and convince the higher court that their fishing expedition is justified.

Posted by: junior at May 08, 2014 02:04 PM (UWFpX)

147 137 OK, Ronnie Earl is not dead. Just wishful thinking on my part. Posted by: Vashta Nerada He's dead to me. **** great, this post is going to be the 2014 DNC midterm platform. because issues. "How dare the GOP not denounce some random blog comment. Now excuse us while we daydream about prison rape"

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 08, 2014 02:04 PM (FQLT3)

148 That's a good test. Does that include anyone who thinks the state should be interfering with our private lives? Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 06:02 PM (gmeXX) Is this comment about drugs? Cause i'm hearing the word "Drugs" when you say "interfere with our private lives".

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 02:04 PM (bb5+k)

149 83Â OtÂ Debbie Wasserman Schultz was caught and released today as she was mistaken for a Mega Mouth Shark...Â Posted by: 7 Days in May at May 08, 2014 05:51 PM (5V+Di) It would be easy to follow the oil slick that fucking hair would leave in the water.

Posted by: Killerdog at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (49izV)

150 One of these, some of those, and one of that. You want mockery, you'll read hackery, you get snark.

Posted by: Hacker, Mockery, and Snark LLC at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (1UWg+)

151 You left it a little raw & exposed in the last thread. There's a salve for that.

Posted by: toby928© believes that localism is the key at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (QupBk)

152 It depends. I'm not a free-for-all Libertarian. ----- That's why I asked, totalitarian seems .... large?

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (gmeXX)

153 My litmus test for candidates from now is on simple: Are you a totalitarian? ------ Most of the Left/Libs are in denial and/or ignorant of the long term consequences of their perspectives. They would deny that they are inclined toward totalitarianism, and in fact would claim the opposite.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (aDwsi)

154 Game "management" is also a key. Also, establishing the running game.

Posted by: Soothsayer Madden § at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (KxmPO)

155 Churchill said once: Â“Hope has returned to the hearts of scores of millions of men and women, and with that hope there burns the flame of anger against the brutal, corrupt invader. And still more fiercely burn the fires of hatred and contempt for the filthy Quislings whom he has suborned.Â” Just sayin'. History echoes.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (p4vr9)

156 All this crap get's me back to thinking about Harry Reid's "somebody told me that Mitt Romney hasn't paid taxes in, like, forever" comment. The SECOND he said that, the media and numerous legal, federal, and other agencies should have been all over Reid, demanding to know who was disclosing confidential tax information. Oh? You don't remember, Harry? Well, we're going to put you in this nice cell for your disclosure of confidential tax information on the Senate floor and as an accessory to the crime. It will be nice and quiet there. Might help jog your memory.

Posted by: Damiano at May 08, 2014 02:05 PM (j0wOO)

157 And once again, it don't mean squat till someone goes to prison.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 08, 2014 02:06 PM (yh0zB)

158 Is this comment about drugs? and the butt secks, for which there is also a salve.

Posted by: toby928© believes that localism is the key at May 08, 2014 02:06 PM (QupBk)

159 Ace, you have to post the reply to Dems from Arkansas Rep about Benghazi, on right scoop. He shuts them down in two minutes, excellent.

Posted by: Madamex at May 08, 2014 02:07 PM (vaWdD)

160 Is this comment about drugs? Cause i'm hearing the word "Drugs" when you say "interfere with our private lives". ---- Economics. Unlike libertarians who only seem to care about social issues and drugs, my primary libertarian concern is on economic issues. I'm thinking of anyone who can support the idea that the federal government should regulate what types of lightbulbs I can buy - one of my least favorite things of W who I like.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:07 PM (gmeXX)

161
Rivkin, the attorney for the Wisconsin Club for Growth, said he will seek monetary damages from prosecutors for violating the group's constitutional rights. Randa said in Thursday's order he would not consider such a request while the appeal is pending, so that issue will be put off at least for now.

Hans von Spakovsky, a fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation and a former member of the Federal Election Commission said he believes the Wisconsin Club for Growth would be able to recover attorneys fees but not the damages they are seeking. To do that, they would have to prove prosecutors knowingly and intentionally acted maliciously. "That is a very high bar," he said.

Lot's of one way streets in this part of town....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2014 02:09 PM (kdS6q)

162 Is this comment about drugs? Cause i'm hearing the word "Drugs" when you say "interfere with our private lives". ---- Economics. Unlike libertarians who only seem to care about social issues and drugs, my primary libertarian concern is on economic issues. I'm thinking of anyone who can support the idea that the federal government should regulate what types of lightbulbs I can buy - one of my least favorite things of W who I like. ----- Perhaps I should have said "who thinks the state should regulate our economic affairs."

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:09 PM (gmeXX)

163 The law, which they seem so willing to pollute for their partisan politics, exist not merely to stop me from doing harm: It exists as an equal force to dissuade me from self-help.

When the law no longer serves the ends of justice and fairness, I cannot see why I should be bound to it.

"No Justice, No Peace!" ain't that what you fuckers used to chant?

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 08, 2014 02:09 PM (VjL9S)

164 Economics. Unlike libertarians who only seem to care about social issues and drugs, my primary libertarian concern is on economic issues. I'm thinking of anyone who can support the idea that the federal government should regulate what types of lightbulbs I can buy - one of my least favorite things of W who I like. Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 06:07 PM (gmeXX) A lot of freight as moved down the rails laid by Wickard. I'm with you on this. Federal involvement should only be in regards to issue of actual Federal importance. Wickard and it's ilk need to be overturned.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 02:10 PM (bb5+k)

165 Ace they went on fact finding missions into people's homes,...
Ha! If it were in Boston the investigative team would have been offered coffee and blow jobs. #shelterinplaceyouweakmofos

Posted by: BEL at May 08, 2014 02:10 PM (thLL8)

166

Confused, but if I understand correctly, the District judge yesterday smacks down these prosecutors. The prosecutors filed an emergency appeal.

Last night the appeals court reviews it and reverses the ruling based on some technicalities. Literally some forgot to cross the t's and dot the i's level of bullshit. Appeals court judge doesn't seem to sympathised with the prosecutors though, as his ruling included step by step instructions on how to fix the technicality.

Today the district judge applied said fixes and now all is well with the ruling.

Or am I more lost and confused then I think I am?

Posted by: Carnivorus Herbavore at May 08, 2014 02:10 PM (h0ygp)

167
Unlike libertarians who only seem to care about social issues and drugs, my primary libertarian concern is on economic issues.
Posted by: SH

How much drugs cost.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at May 08, 2014 02:10 PM (kdS6q)

168 Crush the enemy, watch him run before you, hear the lamentation of his women.

Posted by: toby928© believes that localism is the key at May 08, 2014 02:11 PM (QupBk)

169 I'm not a huge fan of the FDA, so I guess drugs are included ...

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:11 PM (gmeXX)

170 In other news: Though not working quite as well as Venezuela yet: http://tinyurl.com/l9g6k9h Fundamental change promised by Obama continues apace.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 08, 2014 02:12 PM (BZAd3)

171 Ace, you have to post the reply to Dems from Arkansas Rep about Benghazi, on right scoop. He shuts them down in two minutes, excellent. Posted by: Madamex ------------------ Link: http://tinyurl.com/ouams5b

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 02:12 PM (aDwsi)

172 Crush the enemy, watch him run before you, hear the lamentation of his women. Always remember, pillage first, THEN burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 08, 2014 02:13 PM (aJd5W)

173 It's outrageous, egregious, preposterous.

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at May 08, 2014 05:43 PM (yz6yg)

Don't forget pusillanimous. Definitely pusillanimous.

Posted by: troyriser at May 08, 2014 02:13 PM (gNlvW)

174

@165Confused, but if I understand correctly, the District judge yesterday smacks down these prosecutors. The prosecutors filed an emergency appeal.
Last night the appeals court reviews it and reverses the ruling based on some technicalities. Literally some forgot to cross the t's and dot the i's level of bullshit. Appeals court judge doesn't seem to sympathised with the prosecutors though, as his ruling included step by step instructions on how to fix the technicality.
Today the district judge applied said fixes and now all is well with the ruling.
Or am I more lost and confused then I think I am?

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That's exactly right. The confusion seems to be with people who don't realize that today's injunction by Randa is a fix to the issues that the appeals court found.

Posted by: junior at May 08, 2014 02:13 PM (UWFpX)

175 Unless there is something out there I don't know about, I'm willing to reserve judgment on how he feels about that issue for now.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 05:52 PM (gmeXX)

I'm not. This is my red line, my hill. I can cut a pol some slack on less important issues, but not this one. Besides, I've heard Walker talking about amnesty, followed by the usual "clarifications" about how you misunderstood what he meant. No, I didn't.

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 02:13 PM (4nR9/)

176 168 I'm not a huge fan of the FDA, so I guess drugs are included ... Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 06:11 PM (gmeXX) Not a fan either. Simply believe that there must be some sort of regulation as regards dangerous narcotics as well as other potentially dangerous controlled substances. That's it for me people. Sometimes I have to get some work done.

Posted by: D-Lamp at May 08, 2014 02:13 PM (bb5+k)

177 Anyone dead set on getting/avoiding one of the major players in tonight's Draft? Unless the Pats trade up, we're picking 29th, not a lot of drama there. Teams picking in the top 10-15 have a lot of intriguing choices.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 08, 2014 02:14 PM (ZshNr)

178 95 Yeah, I wonder if McDonnell's wife regrets pressuring him to accept jewelry. Could'a had the big house.
Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 05:52 PM (4nR9/)

The one in Lorton, right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 08, 2014 05:53 PM (yz6yg)

She should fit right in with the other bored housewives there who fancy themselves artists. (There are actually some good ones)

Posted by: pep at May 08, 2014 02:14 PM (4nR9/)

179 http://tinyurl.com/ouams5b Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 06:12 PM (aDwsi) Excellent

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at May 08, 2014 02:16 PM (BZAd3)

180 152 My litmus test for candidates from now is on simple: Are you a totalitarian? Mine is simpler: If you were not running for or currently occupying an elected office, what work would you be doing? At present, every politician I can think of would otherwise be on the government dole or in an ancillary "private" industry, such as lobbyist. They are all disqualified in my book. In order to pass, they would have to have be or recently been successfully employed in something that produces value for at least 10 years. I don't care if it's flipping burgers, mopping floors, or CEO of something. I would accept "I'm a lawyer" on a case by case basis, so long as they actually practiced law independently or as part of a firm and have a valid law license (unlike Bubba, Hillary!, SCOAMF, and Moochelle). Elected office should not a be career or even a job. It's a responsibility that someone takes on grudgingly or out of a sense of duty, despite the fact that they can do something else that is productive.

Posted by: Damiano at May 08, 2014 02:16 PM (j0wOO)

181 Some people just need hanging.

Posted by: maddogg at May 08, 2014 02:17 PM (xWW96)

182 Simply believe that there must be some sort of regulation as regards dangerous narcotics as well as other potentially dangerous controlled substances. ---- Then let the states regulate it. Don't see anything in the Constitution that says it is the responsibility of the federal government.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:17 PM (gmeXX)

183 I wish I could find Judge Randa's full ruling, I had it before but can't locate it now. It had some wonderful language in it. Basically, he told the losers that they seemed to be unaware of this thing we have called a Constitution . Where you can't just barge I to someones home in the middle of the night with searchlights and gangs of thugs going thru your personal records all the while you are restrained from calling your attorneys and can't talk to anyone about it later either.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 02:17 PM (oMKp3)

184 A large part of the prosecution's purpose was to terrorize. Their methods of midnight raids, seizure of property, denial of the targeted to contact their attorneys during the seizures, gag orders, prosecutor's strategic leaking, threats of incarceration in a gulag, etc. Stalin would be proud of these goons.

Posted by: Lester at May 08, 2014 02:17 PM (2UPXV)

185 Since we're all remembering shit, do you also remember that anal aperture from Arizona sheriff I mentioned.

Posted by: Soothsayer Â§ at May 08, 2014 05:55 PM (KxmPO)

Yep, sure do. I don't remember the jackasses name, but I do remember that his department then shot and killed a former Marine in a no-knock warrant raid on his house.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 08, 2014 02:18 PM (yh0zB)

186 Lawfare

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at May 08, 2014 02:18 PM (5ikDv)

187 The throne of skulls grows.

Posted by: CAC at May 08, 2014 02:19 PM (TKp1W)

188 I would accept "I'm a lawyer" on a case by case basis ---- That's good because Ted Cruz and Trey Gowdy were lawyers. Not all lawyers are bad, but I think your test is a good one.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:19 PM (gmeXX)

189 34 The shitbird who went after Tom DeLay.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 08, 2014 02:20 PM (XO6WW)

190 186 The throne of skulls grows. Posted by: CAC

Thrones? pffffft.

Posted by: Tamerlane at May 08, 2014 02:20 PM (4nR9/)

191 As I and others that comment on this blog have said from time to time: America pretty much took it's last full breaths on the night of November 6, 2012.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 02:21 PM (g+d/y)

192 That's good because Ted Cruz and Trey Gowdy were lawyers. Not all lawyers are bad, but I think your test is a good one.

The good of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Posted by: Spock at May 08, 2014 02:21 PM (thLL8)

193 186 The throne of skulls grows. Posted by: CAC at May 08, 2014 06:19 PM (TKp1W) You were the first person I thought of when I heard the news.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 02:22 PM (oMKp3)

194 Some folks beg and plead for SMOD.

I'm more of Great Year of the Rope kind of guy.

Posted by: CozMark at May 08, 2014 02:22 PM (nDeB2)

195 How much more of this can we take? The left not only despises us, it is 100% committed to using everything it has at its disposal to wage war on us. Mobs of social media twerps. Journolists. Crazed scientists. Left-wing billionaires. Corrupt and fanatical bureaucrats. Against this, our party wants comity and reaching across the aisle. What universe are they living in? Are we supposed to just pretend they aren't only a few years from trying to impose martial law on us?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2014 02:23 PM (NvZnr)

196 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 08, 2014 06:23 PM (NvZnr) All that. And Scott Walker plods on, un-intimidated.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 02:25 PM (oMKp3)

197 Isn't this the same kind of crap they pulled up in Alaska against Sarah Palin? I ask because I really can't remember. I just know there was a parade of lawsuits against her.

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 02:25 PM (ILBCY)

198 For south Mississippi voters in District 4, Gene Taylor Blue Dog Democrat who served 22 years and who got ousted by Steve Palazzo, is trying to run against him as a newly minted 'I have seen the light' Republican.

When the run-off happens, send the mercenary Gene packing.

And make sure Trish Causey, one of the Democrat candidates who said Benghazi makes 'Republicans have orgasms,' is utterly crushed and sent back to her NYC digs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 02:25 PM (HZkuJ)

199 Rooker-Feldman abstension? Anyway, if the court proceedings are what is in fact causing the deprivation of liberty, Rooker Feldman doesn't apply. Otherwise Section 1983 is meaningless I always wondered what it would look like when we criminalized political opposition. Welcome to the late Roman Republic.

Posted by: imp at May 08, 2014 02:25 PM (XIXZz)

200 A large part of the prosecution's purpose was to terrorize. Their methods of midnight raids, seizure of property, denial of the targeted to contact their attorneys during the seizures, gag orders, prosecutor's strategic leaking, threats of incarceration in a gulag, etc. Stalin would be proud of these goons. Posted by: Lester at May 08, 2014 06:17 PM (2UPXV) so if trey did this? isn't it a misappropriation of Power? I would think it would be illegal , i mean we are speaking of Donors not a criminal enterprise i thought if you were american you had a right to be involved in the political process even donations? (unless felon) so they raided donors because they are Allowed to use their power to threaten and harass private citizens and their is No consequence to any of this? i admit again to be thoroughly blown away by all this shit i now know goes on.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:25 PM (nqBYe)

201 What this country needs, is a National Police Force, on par with the military.

Posted by: Pretty much something Oblammer said at May 08, 2014 02:26 PM (aDwsi)

202 there is no*

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:26 PM (nqBYe)

203 What this country needs, is a National Police Force ---- What could go wrong? Besides, from the reports I hear we already have about 10 national police forces.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:27 PM (gmeXX)

204

180 Some people just need hanging.

But you should give 'em a trial first...then hang 'em.

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at May 08, 2014 02:27 PM (l/M30)

205 I am liking Walker/Paul much more for 2016.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2014 02:27 PM (x0oWB)

206 I'm more of Great Year of the Rope kind of guy. Posted by: CozMark ------------------- Dude..! Hemp!

Posted by: Pretty much something Oblammer said at May 08, 2014 02:27 PM (aDwsi)

207 Pima County Sheriff Dupnik is who you refer to.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 02:28 PM (HZkuJ)

208 Actually would seem to be Younger abstention, but that has a bad faith exception. Better be careful of what they wish for, or the progressives are going to find themselves on the wrong end of an unchallengeable finding of bad faith, and an admitted liability Section 1983 claim against them personally (and possibly their counties as well)

Posted by: imp at May 08, 2014 02:28 PM (XIXZz)

209 Sock check

Posted by: Golfman in NC at May 08, 2014 02:29 PM (+h5v0)

210 I'm not clear on what Walker's position is on immigration reform. It's kind of not much on the front burner here. Besides, I'm of the belief that by 2016 all of this will be a moot point. It will already be a done deal.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 02:29 PM (oMKp3)

211 lol, a moment ago i felt all i'm mad so i can handle these toads. now i just want to live in another country , but are there any free countries left on the planet?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:29 PM (nqBYe)

212 Isn't this the same kind of crap they pulled up in Alaska against Sarah Palin? I ask because I really can't remember. I just know there was a parade of lawsuits against her.

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 06:25 PM (ILBCY)

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They've thrown everything at her. She's like Walker. She keeps her head high and soldiers on. I'm sure the phrase "fuck 'em" is used by both individuals.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 02:30 PM (g+d/y)

213 I'm sure the phrase "fuck 'em" is used by both individuals. I wouldn't be too sure of that.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 02:31 PM (oMKp3)

214 now i just want to live in another country , but are there any free countries left on the planet?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 06:29 PM (nqBYe)

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Not really. This is pretty much it. If we go down, the light goes out.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 02:32 PM (g+d/y)

215 one thing Walker seemed through the ordeal is, unflappable.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:32 PM (nqBYe)

216 yes, Dupnik thanks

Posted by: Soothsayer Madden § at May 08, 2014 02:32 PM (KxmPO)

217 200 What this country needs, is a National Police Force, on par with the military.

Posted by: Pretty much something Oblammer said at May 08, 2014 06:26 PM (aDwsi)

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Now you're talking my language. I always thought, "If only I had more agents everywhere, what great goods I could have accomplished."

Posted by: J. Edgar Hoover at May 08, 2014 02:32 PM (IN7k+)

218 214 one thing Walker seemed through the ordeal is, unflappable. Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 06:32 PM (nqBYe) I've never seen him be anything less than pleasant. Firm, but pleasant.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 08, 2014 02:33 PM (oMKp3)

219 I hope that Federal judge's tax documents are in order.

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2014 02:33 PM (zDsvJ)

220 Doesn't that mean they are ONLY auditing TEA party folks?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 08, 2014 05:56 PM (84gbM)

Since you put it that way, getting audited by the IRS two years ago makes me feel ever so special.

Posted by: troyriser at May 08, 2014 02:34 PM (gNlvW)

221 Soona , as i thought. bastards. I can remember not knowing anything , then 9-11 happened and i noticed we all stood together one nation.. and then, progressives wanted power, and lied, and cheated, and anyway, Surprised this dumb ass LIV.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:34 PM (nqBYe)

222 Dems love to pass reform laws. It gives them insider info on how to subvert them and use them to punish others.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 08, 2014 02:35 PM (5APFN)

223 I hope that Federal judge's tax documents are in order.

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2014 06:33 PM (zDsvJ)

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Heh.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 02:35 PM (g+d/y)

224 Women suck at driving.

Posted by: NCKate at May 08, 2014 02:35 PM (mEJkS)

225 They've thrown everything at her. She's like Walker. She keeps her head high and soldiers on. I'm sure the phrase "fuck 'em" is used by both individuals. ---- Walker seems to be more non-responsive about this than Palin - which I do not mean to be a negative. He strikes me as a Silent Cal type, which we could surely use. I don't agree that that type is unelectable in today's environment. I just hope he runs.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 02:37 PM (gmeXX)

226 I hope that Federal judge's tax documents are in order. Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2014 06:33 PM (zDsvJ) i hope he doesn't send too many emails , or chat on the phone too softly with women, or his wife didn't adopt kids from another country, or well etc.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:37 PM (nqBYe)

227 Women suck at driving. Posted by: NCKate ---------------------- * Do. Not. Say. Anything. *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 02:37 PM (aDwsi)

228 It's ok Mike.

Posted by: NCKate at May 08, 2014 02:38 PM (mEJkS)

229 * sits silently in the shadows *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 02:39 PM (aDwsi)

230 bah, i used to actually be paid to drive a truck. i don't suck, i'm just not as bad as some others.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:39 PM (nqBYe)

231

221 Dems love to pass reform laws. It gives them insider info on how to subvert them and use them to punish others.

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ObamaCare was sold as a 'reform', remember?

I would say that "Dems love to use the cover of 'reform' to pass their tyrannical laws".

They are predators.

All we needed were a few simple healthcare reforms.

The Dems prey on the need for a reform and use it as an excuse to take ever more Control over our lives.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:39 PM (l/M30)

232 Mikey, come out to plaaay.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:40 PM (nqBYe)

233 * cowers *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 02:40 PM (aDwsi)

234 I can remember not knowing anything , then 9-11 happened and i noticed we all stood together one nation..

and then, progressives wanted power, and lied, and cheated, and

anyway, Surprised this dumb ass LIV.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 06:34 PM (nqBYe)

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I remember being in a conversation with some people right after 9/11. Everyone was commenting on how it had finally brought the nation together for a common cause. I told them that all the seeming unity they were seeing was the beginning of the real division of this country, and that it'll start in a month or so. Only one other person agreed with me.

We were wrong. It started within two weeks.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 02:40 PM (g+d/y)

235 Even before Giffords Dupnik had legal issues. Now I am trying to remember all the details. But there had been a rapist on the loose, so a task force was created to find the mutt. Well they scooped up one guy for interrogation based upon bad evidence and then proceeded to interrogate him and deny him a lawyer even after he asked for one.

The no-knock SWAT raid that killed that guy trying to defend his home was just another example. And Dupnik was one of those law officers who refused to enforce Arizona's immigration law.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 02:40 PM (HZkuJ)

236 We may suck at driving, but AT LEAST WE ASK FOR DIRECTIONS! ;-)

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2014 02:41 PM (zDsvJ)

237 One of my reservations about Walker is how he handled this through the legal system. While it is proving to be a successful path, it extracts no blood from the opposition. I want to see our candidate in '16 fight like Cheney with rabies.

Why didn't Team Walker orchestrate five Republican prosecutors doing the same thing fishing thru the union's shit.

Posted by: Jean at May 08, 2014 02:42 PM (TETYm)

238

223 Women suck at driving.

Posted by: NCKate at May 08, 2014 06:35 PM (mEJkS)

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Pffft.

I've never caused an accident.

And the only accidents I have ever been involved in were caused by a male driver.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:42 PM (l/M30)

239 Damn, willow, you're going to have me whimpering in the corner and crying. I only thought I was pissed. Now, I'm just dejected.

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 02:44 PM (ILBCY)

240 I've never caused an accident. And the only accidents I have ever been involved in were caused by a male driver. Caused by male drivers getting distracted by you?

Posted by: EC at May 08, 2014 02:44 PM (doBIb)

241 suPffft. I've never caused an accident. And the only accidents I have ever been involved in were caused by a male driver. ck at driving. I agree. I've never even had a ticket. There's bad drivers in both sexes

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 08, 2014 02:44 PM (9+ccr)

242 soona, it took me a while to notice an issue, closer to 2003 . but yes. Mike, too funny. And if some woman drivers are shitty they definitely must come from California or maybe NY, except Peaches, because (hey i'm only a little dumb)

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:45 PM (nqBYe)

243

Based on my own experience...I could make a stupid generalization and say:

"Men suck at driving."

But I would be wrong.

However, I think there is probably some truth in the statement:

"Liberal women suck at driving."

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:45 PM (l/M30)

244 * congratulates self for avoiding minefield *

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 08, 2014 02:46 PM (aDwsi)

245 You could reorganize that sentence:" The best women suck while being driven" or should I hold that until the ONT?

Posted by: Jean at May 08, 2014 02:46 PM (TETYm)

246 O/T: I am hoping that this is the real reason R's held Lerner in contempt, in order to scare the IRS into complying with their demands.

http://tinyurl.com/lflfqfh

Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2014 02:46 PM (x0oWB)

247 no good deed. o man i'm sory, i guess i'm wearing my heart on the sleeve. we have many bright people on our side fighting back. look , er.. well there are! no really there are. ok someone help me out here. hugs , sowwy.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:47 PM (nqBYe)

248 We were wrong. It started within two weeks. Shit, it started that afternoon.

Posted by: HR stuck at work and the vending machine is out of Cheetos at May 08, 2014 02:47 PM (/kI1Q)

249 ChemJeff it would take a lot more IRS employees skulls on spearpoints to cow the IRS

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 02:48 PM (HZkuJ)

250 However, I think there is probably some truth in the statement: "Liberal women suck at driving Right you are... They are easily identifiable... They drive a Prius , never signal, and have a plethora of annoying bumper stickers on their cars... You know Co-exist, Women for Obama, Lesbians for Obama, You can't hug your kids with nuclear arms.... etc...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at May 08, 2014 02:48 PM (9+ccr)

251 I haven't written about this because honestly I continue not to understand it. Being a Republican is illegal. There you go.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at May 08, 2014 02:48 PM (dMSj2)

252 Libs got shot down on having equal representation on the Benghazi panel. Elections have consequences bitches.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 02:49 PM (QeH9j)

253 *applauds*

Thank you Counsel AlextheChick for the most excellent summation of this case.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 08, 2014 02:49 PM (HZkuJ)

254

239...Caused by male drivers getting distracted by you?

Posted by: EC at May 08, 2014 06:44 PM (doBIb)

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Heh.

Not my fault if they were.

Eyes on the road, fellas. Eyes on the road.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:49 PM (l/M30)

255 hi alexthechick! how are you this fine afternoon

Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2014 02:50 PM (x0oWB)

256 I just teasing you, willow. I'm still pissed. I hate to even ask how far this can go before we break or someone other than us takes notice and is alarmed by it.

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 02:50 PM (ILBCY)

257 I'll say this though, Delay could whip the votes, and he would never have the issues that Boehner had. But let's not remember Delay as being this great conservative rep that he was not.

Posted by: SH at May 08, 2014 05:57 PM (gmeXX)

Fuck no; he enabled the Repuke side of the GWB spending bonanza. The difference between the RINOs and conservatives is that conservatives can still acknowledge that Ronnie Earl should be deep in a Yemen jail for what he did to the Hammer. The fucking Repukes would look away and go tsk tsk.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 08, 2014 02:50 PM (qiiIB)

258 Anyone else see the Gowdy interview on The Kelley File last night. He's fearless and like a dog with a bone.

Posted by: Infidel at May 08, 2014 02:51 PM (Z1SI2)

259 >>Shit, it started that afternoon. With Barry's speech. Wasn't that within a couple of days after the attacks?

Posted by: Y-not at May 08, 2014 02:52 PM (zDsvJ)

260 I want the Hammer to pick up the cause of splitting Texas into five states to unsure Republican control of the Senate. Just him talking about it would scare the piss out of many Dims.

Posted by: Jean at May 08, 2014 02:53 PM (TETYm)

261 O/T: I am hoping that this is the real reason R's held Lerner in contempt, in order to scare the IRS into complying with their demands.

http://tinyurl.com/lflfqfh

Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2014 06:46 PM (x0oWB)

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We should hope. But I think the IRS is fully in the grasp of the regime. Too many fanboys and girls that have pledged their allegience to the lightworker.

Posted by: Soona at May 08, 2014 02:53 PM (g+d/y)

262 Scottie don't quit. He's the closest politician to Calvin Coolidge we got. I've seen the future, and it's Scott Walker busting govt unions and balancing the books. (Coolidge woulda loved him)

Posted by: TheThinMan at May 08, 2014 02:53 PM (KJXYt)

263

257 Anyone else see the Gowdy interview on The Kelley File last night. He's fearless and like a dog with a bone.

Posted by: Infidel at May 08, 2014 06:51 PM (Z1SI2)

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Yes, I did!

And Yes...he's awesome.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:53 PM (l/M30)

264 no good deed, yep i'm mad also. and i hope everyone keeps their heads glued on straight.

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:53 PM (nqBYe)

265 I didn't see the interview on the Kelley Files, but I did see the epic smackdown he delivered to the media.

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 02:54 PM (ILBCY)

266 yeah I remember, it was just a day or so after 9/11 that one of the more obnoxiously liberal professors at my university decided to send an email to the entire faculty saying that, you know, we shouldn't 'rush to judgment' and that, yeah we kinda had it coming. At the time she got some actual pushback for her comments but that was only temporary. Within just a year or so everyone was agreeing with her.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2014 02:54 PM (x0oWB)

267

I didn't see the interview on the Kelley Files, but I did see the epic smackdown he delivered to the media.

Oh, I didn't see that one.

Posted by: Infidel at May 08, 2014 02:55 PM (Z1SI2)

268 chemjeff, it would be nice to ask, so women deserve stoning? and children deserve rape and decapitation, and islam attacks the countries citizens in every almost country it lives in . and all those countries in the world attacked by islam deserve it?

Posted by: willow at May 08, 2014 02:57 PM (nqBYe)

269 @265...Chemjeff, that sounds exactly like what Barky said right after 09/11.

Posted by: wheatie at May 08, 2014 02:57 PM (l/M30)

270 Well, add 'sissies' to the ever expanding list of words that piss off the gay mafia. (At least it does today, tomorrow it may be their preferred term.) Out Boulder, an LGBTQ advocacy group, has launched an online petition seeking to pressure organizers of the Bolder Boulder to drop their slogan Â“Sea Level is for SissiesÂ” because they say the word Â“sissiesÂ” is derogatory. But race organizers say they have no plans to retire the slogan. Over at WZ.

Posted by: RWC at May 08, 2014 02:58 PM (QeH9j)

271 Here you go, Infidel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5FwBnCU6WU

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 03:01 PM (ILBCY)

272 I live in the Peoples Republic of Illinois I tell folks our future is to the north (The North Remembers) Balancing budgets, stop collecting union dues and lower taxes. Think RWR said something about hard choices, but easy solutions?

Posted by: TheThinMan at May 08, 2014 03:01 PM (LttFA)

273 Nude Bonga Bonga thread.

Posted by: toby928© believes that localism is the key at May 08, 2014 03:02 PM (QupBk)

274 New one up.

Posted by: no good deed at May 08, 2014 03:03 PM (ILBCY)

275 huh, that is interesting.
so if R's do take back Congress in 2014, could they then pass an enabling act that would allow Texas to split into 5 states?

would Obama have to sign it? the Constitution just says that Congress has to approve, not the President. but I don't know for certain.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 08, 2014 03:04 PM (x0oWB)

276 *waves at chemjeff* I'm well. Had to work at work today. I'm not a fan of that. How are you?

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at May 08, 2014 03:06 PM (dMSj2)

277 Oh yeah one of the biggest news stories today is SNOOKI'S having a ~~girl~~ cow. Posted by: Kreplach at May 08, 2014 05:49 PM (8tAEF) Fixed it for me 'cause it's funnier.

Posted by: Bill H at May 08, 2014 04:54 PM (3sZO1)

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