January 28, 2014

For Some Reason, GOP Determined to Thwart Its Base and Pass Some Kind of Limited Amnesty
— Ace

Sometimes a Sudden Betrayal has been telegraphed for so very long one begins to long for the Betrayal to finally just happen.

I guess the GOP is counting on that.

From the New York Times:

The principles say that Republicans do not support a “special path to citizenship,” but make an exception for the “Dreamers,” the immigrants brought into the country illegally as children, quoting a 2013 speech by Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House majority leader. “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,” Mr. Cantor said at the time. “It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children and who know no other home.”

Is there a great public demand for Immigration Reform Now? Allah, citing a new Pew poll, thinks not:

Immigration is now 16th on the list of Americans’ top 20 policy priorities. Just 41 percent said it’s a top priority this year — exactly the same percentage who said so five years ago. There’s a lot of interest in this topic among professional politicians because of the changing electorate, but among the public itself, there’s no movement.

Even one of the biggest RINO's on the planet -- MSNBC's pet RINO Joe Scarborough -- thinks this is all a bad political idea.

More than the substance of the Immigration matter itself is the anger over the underlying question: Who controls the GOP? The actual people who make it up and vote it into office, or the establishment figures being paid to staff it and their big-dollar donors, such as the corporate/business cartel?

It's pretty clear it's the latter.

And the GOP is fairly brazen about making this as clear as possible.

When it would really be in their best interests to hide it a little better.

Posted by: Ace at 02:29 PM | Comments (268)
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1 It will be to cold next November for me to vote for more than Governor in my state. Let the RINOs burn.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 28, 2014 02:31 PM (Lqb+9)

2 *too* Stupid words.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 28, 2014 02:32 PM (Lqb+9)

3 Aren't the FiCons in favor of amnesty? I know Larry Kudlow and Steve Moore drool over it daily.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2014 02:32 PM (F75MN)

4 *Tap tap tap* Is this thing on?

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 28, 2014 02:32 PM (Lqb+9)

5 If they vote for this I will not be able to hold my nose anymore.  Will not vote for another Republican again.

Posted by: Aleret1201 at January 28, 2014 02:33 PM (JJ9lU)

6 >>>Aren't the FiCons in favor of amnesty? I know Larry Kudlow and Steve Moore drool over it daily. the corporate/business wing definitely is.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:33 PM (/FnUH)

7 Mike Castle just called in to say it's a necessary betrayal, to make his former colleagues electable.  He also loved the profile you gave him on your Tim Carney podcast, at the expense of whatever Carney  might have said but couldn't get a word in edgewise.

Posted by: Born Free at January 28, 2014 02:33 PM (xL8Hf)

8 The Republicans can get fucked. Representative government is dead. The leaders want to elect a new citizenry.

Posted by: Golem_master at January 28, 2014 02:34 PM (i6/+j)

9 You have nothing to fear from MS-13, my firendsh!

Posted by: Se. Juan McCain at January 28, 2014 02:35 PM (Dwehj)

10 Apparently, the GOP forgot the incredible amount of pushback they got in 2007 when they and Bush attempted to pass the abortion of a immigration amnesty.  Dumbasses.

Posted by: huerfano at January 28, 2014 02:35 PM (bAGA/)

11

Is Boehner fucking insane?

 

Or is he being paid off by someone.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2014 02:36 PM (Wq5le)

12 I think we lost this damn thing on *tone* I kid you not. Stupid--but it is what it is. Think Sherman but not like the tank. And I'll have to eject becasue you can't even discuss that rationally on blogs mostly.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 28, 2014 02:36 PM (RJMhd)

13 Living in your own country is not some kind of punishment. It's called the accident of birth. Fate, karma, sucks-to-be-you, whatever. If your native country sucks, make it fucking better. I'm sick of this shit.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:36 PM (QupBk)

14 and of course I misspelled because. special.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 28, 2014 02:37 PM (RJMhd)

15 I would think amnesty appralis ro certain stripe of fiscon and Huckabee type big government socons.

Posted by: steevy at January 28, 2014 02:37 PM (zqvg6)

16 They are such a bunch of assholes.  And, as someone who lives in Tijuana Norte, let me just tell you that I am more and more convinced that the majority of these crimigrants have no desire to become legal and start spending their hard-earned remittance money on shit like 404Care and income tax. 

Time to let it burn.

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 02:37 PM (8lmkt)

17 You know. Looks like we have the Dems on the ropes for the midterms here. I have an idea. Let's do something profoundly dumb and piss off our base! (I said base, not our money people) All in favor say aye!

Posted by: The GOP Strategy Meeting Minutes at January 28, 2014 02:37 PM (C3Wjb)

18 If your native country sucks, make it fucking better. I'm sick of this shit. Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 06:36 PM (QupBk) - And damn well don't try to change the country you go into a replica of it thinking it will turn out different this time.

Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 28, 2014 02:38 PM (Lqb+9)

19 *too*

Stupid words. Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 28, 2014 06:32 PM (Lqb+9)


Official AoS Style Manual states that all such errors are the fault of auto correct.


I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why it is that the current immigration laws, you know, the ones that we were told when they were passed were uber necessary Because Compassion cannot be enforced before we pass another whole set of laws that will be ignored. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 02:38 PM (Gk3SS)

20 To expand on Monty's observation, citizenship is one of the many words and concepts which has had its meaning hollowed out.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 02:38 PM (36Rjy)

21 I think this goes to show that the establishment is as bad at politics as the Tea Party. Think about it, the best strategy is to stretch this out until 2015. Obama will be the lamest of ducks, the election's over, the GOP can pass any form of amnesty they want. They could get so many concessions from Obama in exchange, it would be like Christmas. This is awful politics from every point of view. It gives Obama a lifeline (even though he seems to be downplaying it and talking about "income inequality"), it's not popular among independents or Republicans. It's unpopular among working-class Democrats and blacks (who will, unfortunately, support whatever Obama wants). It's not even terribly popular among Hispanics, who aren't pro-illegal as much as they're anti-anti-illegal. They're not crazy about a wave of competition from Mexico, it's just that they feel targeted when they hear anti-illegal sentiment. I mean, I guess it would be the final nail in the coffin of the Obama economy, but Democrats don't suffer when the economy is bad. As a previous poster said, their policy is Munchausen by proxy. They create the problem they pretend to solve. I think the GOP is afraid of a 2014 landslide. They're afraid that, with a Republican Senate and a reinforced House majority, there won't be enough Democrat votes to pass this sop to the donors.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:38 PM (T0NGe)

22 Come on, give it another try, Charlie GOP!

Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt at January 28, 2014 02:38 PM (X3GkB)

23

10 Apparently, the GOP forgot the incredible amount of pushback they got in 2007 when they and Bush attempted to pass the abortion of a immigration amnesty.

Dumbasses.

 

---------

 

Yes! Thank you.

 

The GOP got their asses handed to them in 2006...in part because of all the talk of Amnesty.

And still, they went there in 2007. 

 

Have they learned nothing?

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2014 02:39 PM (Wq5le)

24 >>Aren't the FiCons in favor of amnesty? I know Larry Kudlow and Steve Moore drool over it daily. No. Big business types are but that doesn't make them conservative in any way.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 02:39 PM (g1DWB)

25 11 Is Boehner fucking insane?
Or is he being paid off by someone.Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2014 06:36 PM (Wq5le)
Those two are not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2014 02:39 PM (F75MN)

26 I honestly don't get what the hell they are thinking.  They will lose way more than they could ever gain.  They will legislate themselves into obscurity.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 28, 2014 02:39 PM (GrtrJ)

27 >>>Mike Castle just called in to say it's a necessary betrayal, to make his former colleagues electable. He also loved the profile you gave him on your Tim Carney podcast, at the expense of whatever Carney might have said but couldn't get a word in edgewise. what an idiot you are. The whole beginning of that podcast was an interview OF Tim Carney. We don't do interviews OF someone with one exception (Nick Searcy). So this "he couldn't get a word in edgewise" crap is just your emotional stupidity rearing up its angry head to make up some narrative about why people who disagree with you shouldn't be allowed to talk at all.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:39 PM (/FnUH)

28 just fuck the fuck off, Born Free. Get the fuck off the blog.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:39 PM (/FnUH)

29 fucking butthurt goddamned basket-cases.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (/FnUH)

30 You will be thwarted with extreme prejudice, my friends.

Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (UzPAd)

31 The GOP has just hired me as a campaign consultant.

Posted by: George Armstrong Custer at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (X3GkB)

32 Unlimited lawn care! Think about it!

Posted by: Sen. Juan McCain at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (Dwehj)

33 Is Boehner fucking insane? Or is he being paid off by someone. Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2014 06:36 PM I am going to say drunk over insane. And as far as being paid off. YES. Not to sound like a progtard but by the business that give these ratfucks money and stand to gain by having a shitload of cheap labor. FUCK THE GOP WITH AN OAK TREE SIDEWAYS.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (C3Wjb)

34 The RINOs merely see which way the wind is blowing and are too craven to stand up to the political persecution--D'Souza, for example--in the offing.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (36Rjy)

35 Left the GOP last year after years of support. To a man and woman, every long time registered Republican I know will do the same if the GOP supports amnesty. The GOP is dead. Time for a new party to gain a foothold. Let it burn until then.

Posted by: Carl at January 28, 2014 02:40 PM (AhCCF)

36 VALIDATE MEEEEEEE....!

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:41 PM (/FnUH)

37 ...and make California High Speed Rail's first terminal originate in Tijuana.

Posted by: wth at January 28, 2014 02:41 PM (wAQA5)

38 Wow, even the establishment Repubs want Let It Burn to happen.

Good for them!











Uh, bad for us.

Posted by: Gaff at January 28, 2014 02:41 PM (iV8i3)

39 15 No idea why that was so garbled.

Posted by: steevy at January 28, 2014 02:41 PM (zqvg6)

40 Some people need to learn the hard way. Republicans in D.C. are hard learners, apparently. The R's are going to be crushed in '14. Maybe they'll learn something from it.

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 02:41 PM (qbQhu)

41 I guess Born Free missed the part where Tim Carney said, why yes, I sure do think the Tea Party needs a bit more political maturation as far as deciding upon which candidates to support.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:41 PM (/FnUH)

42 Seal the border!

Posted by: Puncher at January 28, 2014 02:42 PM (LhAqq)

43 13 Living in your own country is not some kind of punishment. Exactly. We are not the only country in the world. You can go home. What's wrong with home? Somebody's got to live there. Why give amnesty to some and not to others? What about the law-abiding Mexicans who suffer in their own country? No other country of any substantial wealth has as open an immigration policy as we do. It's crazy how easy it is to get in here and stay here semi-permanently. And you know what the dreamers can do? Join the military.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:42 PM (T0NGe)

44
GOP: We're thinking of changing our name to the Kamikaze Party

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 28, 2014 02:42 PM (FE/sZ)

45 It should be frightening to live in a time where the two major parties are in a race to see who can fuck up the worst, yet oddly, I'm numbed.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:43 PM (QupBk)

46 I've asked here before - how many of the same dipshits were in Congress in 1986 and promised to secure the borders? Would someone at Fox ask f****n John McCain that?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2014 02:43 PM (/djtm)

47 Lincoln and Fremont and those others? Who gives a damn what they think? Where else are they gonna go?

Posted by: Whig Party Chairman in 1852 at January 28, 2014 02:43 PM (O66NZ)

48 If the old base won't play ball, then import a new base.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 28, 2014 02:43 PM (U+vgB)

49 Am I gonna witness an embannening? [bemoans lack of popcorn]

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2014 02:43 PM (X3GkB)

50 The Big Tent will now extend across the southern border.

Posted by: your betters in the GOP at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (bAGA/)

51 okay I've got two posts in draft, and then I'll do the Open Thread for the SOTU, and then I'm done. if I stay here one more second it's going to get ugly.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (/FnUH)

52 26 I honestly don't get what the hell they are thinking. They will lose way more than they could ever gain. They will legislate themselves into obscurity. Posted by: DangerGirl at January 28, 2014 06:39 PM (GrtrJ) They are thinking about protection from persecution--more important than staying in office. They know things we don't.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (36Rjy)

53

this is a joke right?

 

imigration reform in 2014?

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (q+zA9)

54 It should be frightening to live in a time where the two major parties are in a race to see who can fuck up the worst, yet oddly, I'm numbed.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 06:43 PM (QupBk)

Yeah, me, too, toby.  About the only thing that could really get me fired up is if they instituted sharia law and took my beer.

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (8lmkt)

55

And the GOP went where with this story?

 

The fucking NY Times.

 

I have voted for every RINO POS to come up.  Never again.  I will actually work to defeat GOP candidates at every level.

 

At least then I shall have a clear conscience.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (tVTLU)

56 good night.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (/FnUH)

57 37 ...and make California High Speed Rail's first terminal originate in Tijuana.
Posted by: wth at January 28, 2014 06:41 PM (wAQA5)
A one-way crazy train headed el norte.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (F75MN)

58 If the GOP want me to prefer them over the Dems, they gotta give me a reason.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 28, 2014 02:44 PM (lLwfW)

59 13 Living in your own country is not some kind of punishment. It's starting to feel like it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (N9zne)

60 *hic*

If we don't do this, then President Obama will illegally do this on his own...

*hic*

... and we'll lose all the credit for all the amazing things this will mean for the country.

*hic*

Posted by: John "Captain Caaaa-aaa-aaaa-aaaaave Man" Boehner at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (XCGHz)

61 The Big Tent will now extend across the southern border. Seriously. If it's going to come to that, let's do some conquering and nation building close to home.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (QupBk)

62 What the hell is (xL8Hf) bitching about? That was a fine podcast.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (T0NGe)

63 They will do jobs that Obama-voting, Cheeto-eating couch commandos refuse to do!

Posted by: Sen. Juan McCain at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (Dwehj)

64 A 3 year old boy was just killed by a drunk driving, uninsured, illegal alien. We can't notice that though because, racism.

Posted by: Lauren at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (hFL/3)

65 {{{{{{ace}}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 02:45 PM (8lmkt)

66 Why would the (R)etards do this? It's quite simple. Because their owners tell them to.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (vHRtU)

67 Who is Born Free?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (g1DWB)

68 The GOP (Gutless Old Pussies) are doing what they do best...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Establishment Republicans are just another branch of the Democrat Party. Democrat Party Lite. I'm just as sick of them as I am Democrats like Pelosi and Reid.

Posted by: SickOfRino's at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (KEy1O)

69 It is a paradox. While the Left is looking for multiculti welfare/D-voter careerists, Big Business sees in the very same cohort a bunch of 'worker bees.'

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (qbQhu)

70 Passing any kind of amnesty or path to anywhere with out first sealing the borders air tight is treason. But hey that just me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (t3UFN)

71 ... and we'll lose all the credit for all the amazing things this will mean for the country. Like all the credit Reagan gets for his amnesty. Oh, wait.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (T0NGe)

72 >>>What the hell is (xL8Hf) bitching about? That was a fine podcast. it's ridiculous to say no one let him get a word in edgewise. The whole first 30 minutes were interview format-- something we never do, except on one other occasion. Just another tribalist, emotional, irrational outburst.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:46 PM (/FnUH)

73 I have voted for every RINO POS to come up. Never again. I will actually work to defeat GOP candidates at every level. At least then I shall have a clear conscience. Posted by: prescient11 at January 28, 2014 06:44 PM I won't work to defeat them. But I will never ever vote Squish again because it's a slightly less stinky turd. They keep expecting us to do that and have ignored the conservative wing for too long. And our reward has been McCain, Mitt and caving on almost every issue we stand for. Oak Tree, sideways insert.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 28, 2014 02:47 PM (C3Wjb)

74 So Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster that is apparently unpopular with most Americans, so Republicans are seizing this political opportunity by focusing on immigration.

Posted by: Roadrunner at January 28, 2014 02:47 PM (xMSfj)

75 Who is Born Free? Does he have a Guatemalan beard? Or am I getting my trolls mixed up?

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:47 PM (QupBk)

76 To me, what just doesn't compute is usually when there's a betrayal, there is some sort of selfish reason (ie a Republican is afraid they will lose an election over an issue)

Passing any sort of amnesty is radioactive, there just doesn't seem to be any payoff for pissing off your base, especially considering the Democrats are indeed on the ropes for 2014.  What new voter is this going to attract?  Obama and Democrats will obviously take all the credit (the media will make sure of that)

The only people that are really clamoring for this are a handful of billionaire CEOs and illegal immigrants, neither of which are going to elect Republicans.

I will say though, if the worst of it is something like the "Dreamers" that's a huge step down from something like the Senate bill that was a blanket amnesty.  You're basically in the category of what Rick Perry was doing with illegal immigration in Texas (but I oppose that as well)

Posted by: McAdams at January 28, 2014 02:47 PM (HGsEn)

77 Ace honey, don't let one person with a stupid comment get you all crazy.  I see you do this all the time.  One person sets you off while the rest of us are having a perfectly fine discussion.  Whip out the hammer, let it fly and continue on like nothing happened.  Or let the stupidity stand, comment on it once and let it go.  No point in getting yourself riled all up over one comment.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 28, 2014 02:47 PM (GrtrJ)

78 Just another tribalist, emotional, irrational outburst. Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 06:46 PM (/FnUH) Is there some reason I should care what (xL8Hf) thinks about any subject?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:47 PM (T0NGe)

79 VALIDATE MEEEEEEE....!

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 06:41 PM (/FnUH)


You have to buy something before we'll validate.

Posted by: --- at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (MMC8r)

80 Just another tribalist, emotional, irrational outburst. Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 06:46 PM ........Slides some valurite across the table to Ewok Six Actual.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (C3Wjb)

81 There are Parties and there are Citizens. Parties do not represent Citizens; they represent Interests.

The party system is corrupt. What to do about it? No idea. I think it an immovable mountain until financial collapse brings it down.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (eHIJJ)

82 I've been "willowed"!! AGAIN!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (yz6yg)

83 52 They are thinking about protection from persecution--more important than staying in office. They know things we don't. Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 06:44 PM (36Rjy)
They don't want to be treated shabbily at the cocktail parties.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (F75MN)

84 please Please no post for the SOTU let's just give it what it deserves: a good leavin alone

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (qbQhu)

85 So Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster that is apparently unpopular with most Americans, so Republicans are seizing this political opportunity by focusing on immigration. Posted by: Roadrunner at January 28, 2014 06:47 PM (xMSfj) Yup, can you believe it? Stupid stupid stupid

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (t3UFN)

86 Can't wait to see Boehner, McCain, Ryan, etc. react to the "sudden betrayal" upon them by the Dems. They'll compromise and the Dems will *still* characterize them as the enemy just as they've done every damn time.

Wish I could enjoy it...

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 02:48 PM (POpqt)

87 It's a nationwide suicide!

Posted by: Alternative Bad Pearl Jam Song at January 28, 2014 02:49 PM (Aif/5)

88 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 06:45 PM (N9zne) Nailed it.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 28, 2014 02:49 PM (/djtm)

89 We'll bite the Dems' legs off! http://youtu.be/dhRUe-gz690

Posted by: GOP at January 28, 2014 02:49 PM (X3GkB)

90 74 So Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster that is apparently unpopular with most Americans, so Republicans are seizing this political opportunity by focusing on immigration. The GOP believes we are so mad about ObamaCare they can shove a shit sandwich down our throats and still pick up seats. They're evil cocksuckers.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 02:49 PM (N9zne)

91 Remember when they thought amnestied illegals would pay back taxes? 

That's like saying young people are dying to sign up for Obamacare.

Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2014 02:49 PM (UzPAd)

92 They are thinking about protection from persecution--more important than staying in office. They know things we don't.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 06:44 PM (36Rjy)



This frightens the shit out of me.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (GrtrJ)

93 If the Rparty doesn't pass immigration reform, then they are obviously extremist KKK haters of non whites who believe in their own racial superiority. So to disprove that, the GOP MUST pass amnesty. Just to be fair.

Posted by: Ronger P. D. Gnost at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (WG3O5)

94 please Please no post for the SOTU let's just give it what it deserves: a good leavin alone Only the high-octane mockery of Ace, the Cobbs and the Horde make this situation tolerable. Don't deny your nature.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (QupBk)

95 Let it burn.

If they pass this crap I will not vote GOP.  I may still donate to a few like Mike Lee and Ted Cruz and Rand Paul that I can trust.  But I'm not voting for anyone the establishment even remotely supports, not even if they vote against this thing.  Because probably they got permission from the leadership to vote against it.  If the leadership comes out for it, it shows that you can't even trust someone's voting record, its all kabuki to pull the wool over your eyes.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (ZMzpb)

96 >>>Ace honey, don't let one person with a stupid comment get you all crazy. I see you do this all the time. One person sets you off while the rest of us are having a perfectly fine discussion. Whip out the hammer, let it fly and continue on like nothing happened. SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (/FnUH)

97
I like their plan to do it after their local primaries so as to not be challenged for their phoney baloney jobs.  What a bunch of slime.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (n0DEs)

98 I just hit the tip jar (it's been FAR too long and the ewok clearly needs pudding).  Today might be a good day for a little fundraising drive.  Just sayin'

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (8lmkt)

99 An opposition party that grows government slightly less rapidly is apparently the best we're going to get. After all, what are you going to do, vote for the Democrat? Stay home? No. You vote for the lessor of two evils, like you are expected to do, and as you've always done. This is what you (we) get.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 28, 2014 02:50 PM (agLwc)

100 "Limited Amnesty"

No such term.

We've had Amnesty already. The Chamber of Commerce and the Progressives want another. And when that is deemed insufficient in a few years, they'll want yet another.

It's lies all the way down.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (eHIJJ)

101 They don't want to be treated shabbily at the cocktail parties. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2014 06:48 PM (F75MN) Many of them, sure. But I think things have become more serious than that. Real persecution is on the horizon.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (36Rjy)

102 Could it be that the Administration has scrounged secrets about some heavy hitters in the GOP? Remember, you're only paranoid if it's not true. Just a few ill advised google searches could be a game changer.

Posted by: Seems legit at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (A98Xu)

103 Obviously when the participation rate is historically low and falling is the prime time to look at importing 20 million slave laborers from the nearest third-world nation.

Posted by: --- at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (MMC8r)

104 Only the high-octane mockery of Ace, the Cobbs and the Horde make this situation tolerable. THIS. I, for one, will miss the live blog.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (yz6yg)

105 Filthy diseased whores.

Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (Cs2tJ)

106 No. You vote for the lessor of two evils, like you are expected to do, and as you've always done. The animals looked from man to pig and pig to man, and saw no difference.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 02:51 PM (N9zne)

107 Limited Amnesty is like being a little pregnant

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (t3UFN)

108 I think the R's think of Amnesty as their obamacare. Unpopular now, maybe cause a lot of seat-losses, but the base will get over it and come back to the reservation eventually. They're wrong of course.

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (qbQhu)

109 11 Is Boehner fucking insane?

Or is he being paid off by someone.

Paid off.  The only alternative explanation would be some kind of massive conspiracy to monitor all electronic communications and data that would allow for blackmail.  But that could never happen without us hearing about it, so it must be the pay offs.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (ZMzpb)

110 SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET No.way.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (QupBk)

111 They think that the choice is between the Democrats (Odipshitcare) and the Repubs (amnesty) ... they are playin chicken and dont think you have the balls to get all pissy and sit this out.

LIB

Posted by: ET at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (uGlk8)

112
a time where the two major parties are in a race to see who can fuck up the worst,
Posted by: toby928




It's like the 1960s and "everyone's a Keynesian" all over again.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (kdS6q)

113 My congress critter is Pete Sessions, who just happens to chair the rules committee.  I've called his office to voice my opposition to not just amnesty but immigration reform.  We're not enforcing the laws on the books now so what's the point in changing them?  I've also sent back every plea for money - including one with my own damn stamp - with the same message.  Not another dime until amnesty is dead, dismembered, and its remains scattered permanently.

And if amnesty passes I swear I'm voting straight Democrat from then on.  If I'm gonna get lied to and screwed anyway I might as well hasten the burning times.

This is a show stopper for me.  A sovereign nation has the right to determine its own immigration policy.  I will not have it dictated to us by people who chose to violate immigration law.

Bastards are going to help turn Texas purple and there's nothing I can do about it.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (kUgpq)

114 srsly, no live blog tonight?  :sadface:

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (8lmkt)

115 >>>I like their plan to do it after their local primaries so as to not be challenged for their phoney baloney jobs. What a bunch of slime.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2014 06:50 PM (n0DEs)<<<



Avenge me!

(with write-ins)

Posted by: Joe Miller at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (XCGHz)

116 I'd say let's vote them out of office but they've just ensured that themselves.
Permanent D majority w/amnesty..

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (POpqt)

117 Somebody tried to get all cute with "tree of liberty" crap in the last thread. So annoying.

Posted by: Smiley Bone at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (ZPrif)

118

Minnfidel, indeed you are correct.  GWB ran on a I'm like Reagan platform and BARELY made it.

 

Then he spent like a madman and went left on everything except judges and taxes.  And even judges -  Harriet fucking Myers anyone?

 

No more of this bullshit.  And Mike Castle can suck a dick.  So can Dick Lugar and the rest of these fuckwads. 

 

One Ted Cruz is worth a 1,000 Dick fucking Lugars.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 28, 2014 02:52 PM (tVTLU)

119 >>They're evil cocksuckers. Nah, they are career politicians. And money is their lifeblood. The donations and political help they get from business and groups like the Chamber mean more than we do. The last time they tried this shit under Bush the grassroots rose up and shut them down. Instead of bitching we should realize we can do it again.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 02:53 PM (g1DWB)

120 They are thinking about protection from persecution--more important than staying in office. They know things we don't. Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 06:44 PM (36Rjy) They don't want to be treated shabbily at the cocktail parties. In the Obama era, it's gotten worse. The illegals definitely target Congressional offices. They are not afraid to threaten and intimidate. Typical Alinsky stuff. No, these guys have gotten into the "afraid for our families' lives" territory.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:53 PM (T0NGe)

121 I've been "willowed"!!

AGAIN! Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2014 06:48 PM (yz6yg)


Awww Bannion, no.  Here.  *pats couch next to me*  You just sit there and I'll go fetch you a nice comfy blanket.  No, not a smallpox'd one BC you meanie mcmeanerson meanieface!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 02:53 PM (Gk3SS)

122 Aww, man. ace is all stressed out. I'll go get Jeff B to give you a backrub, ace. You'll like it, he's got soft hands that were made to caress.

Posted by: Warden at January 28, 2014 02:53 PM (HzhBE)

123  So Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster that is apparently unpopular with most Americans, so Republicans are seizing this political opportunity by focusing on immigration.

Posted by: Roadrunner at January 28, 2014 06:47 PM (xMSfj)



Sounds like idiocy doesn't it? This is the game they are playing - against us.  This is an issue that will further divide people and make it easier for them to keep the game going.  If people are able to unite against them, they're toast.  This will keep unity from happening.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 28, 2014 02:54 PM (BZAd3)

124 Bastards are going to help turn Texas purple and there's nothing I can do about it.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 28, 2014 06:52 PM (kUgpq)

 

 

rather than vote D stay home?

 

 

What ripple effects would happen if 15M R's just did not vote?

 

 

 

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 28, 2014 02:54 PM (q+zA9)

125 93 They are thinking about protection from persecution--more important than staying in office. They know things we don't. Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 06:44 PM (36Rjy) This frightens the shit out of me. Posted by: DangerGirl at January 28, 2014 06:50 PM (GrtrJ) I realize it does this to many, so they don't want to think about it. I had to struggle with fear to face it also. But face it we must.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 02:54 PM (36Rjy)

126 “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,” Mr. Cantor said at the time.

Invading a sovereign country = mistake

Why that sounds like something that shouldn't be punished at all.

Posted by: Methos, just about ready to end his GOP registration at January 28, 2014 02:54 PM (hO9ad)

127 Obviously when the participation rate is historically low and falling is the prime time to look at importing 20 million slave laborers from the nearest third-world nation. Among black male Americans, it's the lowest every recorded. Ever. Amnesty IS racism.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 02:54 PM (QupBk)

128 Nah, they are career politicians. And money is their lifeblood. Evil cocksuckers.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 02:54 PM (N9zne)

129 92 Remember when they thought amnestied illegals would pay back taxes? That's like saying young people are dying to sign up for Obamacare. Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2014 06:49 PM (UzPAd) Yeah, and all the "gay marriage" states were going to make a fortune in tourism. And CO and WA are going to get a windfall from marijuana taxes. That moolah's just rollin' in.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 02:55 PM (T0NGe)

130 Is JeffB really Peggy Noonan?

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 02:55 PM (qbQhu)

131 113 "And if amnesty passes I swear I'm voting straight Democrat from then on. If I'm gonna get lied to and screwed anyway I might as well hasten the burning times."

I'm with ya brotha... I will even kick in a few bucks for the democrat running against any amnesty lovin rino....

Posted by: ET at January 28, 2014 02:55 PM (uGlk8)

132 Big Horchata

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2014 02:56 PM (qGrlV)

133 No, these guys have gotten into the "afraid for our families' lives" territory. Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 06:53 PM (T0NGe) That's correct.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 02:56 PM (36Rjy)

134 >>Remember when they thought amnestied illegals would pay back taxes?
That's like saying young people are dying to sign up for Obamacare.


And Obamacare won't cover illegals and abortion.
Ask Bart Stupek, Hobby Lobby and the Little Sisters how those promises worked out.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 02:56 PM (POpqt)

135 Every time Ace gets like this I hit the tip jar.

Posted by: Bivalve Curious at January 28, 2014 02:57 PM (aGqSh)

136

It hasn't passed yet.  So my only hope is a last minute change of mind by enough repubs worried about their political futures, since that's the only thing that means anything to them.

 

If this goes forward with a majority of repubs, then  this next month I'm really going to make an effort to find a home overseas.  Like I said in the last thread,  I don't have that much faith in this country anymore.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2014 02:57 PM (AIfv5)

137 Yeah, and all the "gay marriage" states were going to make a fortune in tourism. And CO and WA are going to get a windfall from marijuana taxes. The only place that makes money nowadays is the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 02:57 PM (N9zne)

138 Threatening to vote for a democrat because you are sick of the Republicans going all Rhino or gutless is like deciding to vote for the Nazis because your local Jewish Temple voted against you for President of Young Judea

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 02:57 PM (t3UFN)

139 I can hardly wait for the elections. I want to see the shocked look on the GOP faces when they lose all over. I want to hear them crying "why why why" when they don't even have a majority in the House.

I want them to feel the pain I've been feeling since 1996 when it began to become clear that they would not act on all the promises they made for so long.

Go ahead and dis me and tell me it's all my fault that the country goes down the toilet because I won't vote for lying weasels.

Go ahead. I. Don't. Care. Anymore.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 28, 2014 02:57 PM (LSDdO)

140 Don't stay home.  But don't vote the R either.

Write in 'No Amnesty.'

If enough people do that, election officials will report it and word will get back.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 28, 2014 02:58 PM (ZMzpb)

141 The only place that makes money nowadays is the Federal Reserve. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 06:57 PM (N9zne)


Annnnd yoink!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 02:58 PM (Gk3SS)

142 When something doesn't make any sense, I believe it means there is something going on behind the scenes that we don't know anything about. Think Roberts. Think spiritual warfare.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 28, 2014 02:59 PM (P6QsQ)

143 LMAO. You Yanke wankers have no idea how to build a *winning* Conservative campaign! 1. Sell out. 2. ??? 3. Victory!

Posted by: David Cameron at January 28, 2014 02:59 PM (X3GkB)

144

All of this makes sense once you realize that the Ruling Class, regardless of party, does not want the middle class to exist.

The Middle Class folks annoy them, what with all their education, their understanding of finance, their book reading and the like. Makes 'em hard to control.

The Middle Class people have ideas. One of them is that politicians work for them.

The Middle Class also competes with the Ruling Class for scarce resources. If they save and invest, they might be able to buy a nice beach house someday. And that's a bunch of bullshit. All that nice stuff belongs to the Ruling Class, see?

Criminals and dumbasses, they can handle easily enough. But the Middle Class has got to go.

Posted by: Warden at January 28, 2014 03:00 PM (HzhBE)

145 138 Threatening to vote for a democrat because you are sick of the Republicans going all Rhino or gutless is like deciding to vote for the Nazis because your local Jewish Temple voted against you for President of Young Judea Yes. It is exactly like that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 03:01 PM (N9zne)

146 135 Every time Ace gets like this I hit the tip jar.

Posted by: Bivalve Curious at January 28, 2014 06:57 PM (aGqSh)


Yeah, I am so rarely here during the day, I don't get to see it much, but my immediate reaction was, whoa, couple sheckels to pull our leader back from the ledge . . .

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 03:01 PM (8lmkt)

147 Why do you think Boner needs to be threatened? What makes you think he was ever on your side?

Posted by: kartoffel at January 28, 2014 03:01 PM (07vvi)

148 Awww Bannion, no. Here. *pats couch next to me* You just sit there and I'll go fetch you a nice comfy blanket. No, not a smallpox'd one BC you meanie mcmeanerson meanieface! Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 06:53 PM (Gk3SS) ::: rests head on AtC's chest ::: Thank you. Thank you so much.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 03:01 PM (yz6yg)

149 145 138 Threatening to vote for a democrat because you are sick of the Republicans going all Rhino or gutless is like deciding to vote for the Nazis because your local Jewish Temple voted against you for President of Young Judea


Yes. It is exactly like that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 07:01 PM (N9zne)



It sure the fuck is.  Makes me want to cut a bitch . . .

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 03:02 PM (8lmkt)

150 I sure hope Val remembered to bring along one of those pregnant fainting broads this evening.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 28, 2014 03:02 PM (Dwehj)

151 Did you know it's possible to win the votes of immigrants without aping the opposition? Funny, I haven't gotten that phone call from Boehner yet.

Posted by: Stephen Harper at January 28, 2014 03:02 PM (X3GkB)

152 Well, so much for hate Obama night.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 03:03 PM (g1DWB)

153 It leaked out last year (memos, IIRC) that the UK's Labor government officials has been pushing increased immigration for over a decade  specifically to dilute conservative citizens power. And yet the Republicans think this time it will turn out differently.

Oh, and 1 out of 10 UK babies are name Mohammed, so that's a win for them, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 03:03 PM (POpqt)

154 The only thing I can surmise is that the reason the GOPe dickheads want to step on their own cranks with the spikes that they're scared shitless or winning the Senate because they would then be expected to do something under this fcuking Preezy.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 28, 2014 03:03 PM (ojnk6)

155 Amnesty in any form guarantees Harry Reid as Majority Leader until at least 2018 and will put Granny Botoxus back as Speaker of the House. With a new nuclear option, Obama will guarantee a very liberal last two years. And Hillary will walk into the Oval Office in January 2017

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 28, 2014 03:04 PM (VrVBw)

156 I voted for the guy from the Judea Youth party.

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 03:04 PM (qbQhu)

157 Posted by: Warden at January 28, 2014 07:00 PM (HzhBE) Pretty much this. A bourgeois middle class can't be ruled the way you can rule third-world slaves.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 03:04 PM (N9zne)

158 “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,” Mr. Cantor said"............ How about not being punished by the people that are supposed to represent us and uphold the laws we ALREADY have you fucking weasel.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 28, 2014 03:04 PM (C3Wjb)

159 What's worse: I don't want to have this fight. They know that the base will be firmly against this and it just makes Republicans look bad to have to keep making this argument. Yes, I'm sorry that nearly half of illegals are border jumpers (the other half are visa overstayers) and that most of the border jumpers are Hispanic. And while the fiscally insane Democrats just sit back and give goodies away that we can't pay for, Republicans have to have a fight with racial overtones.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 03:05 PM (T0NGe)

160 Illegal dreamer kills 3 year old in DUI crash. http://tinyurl.com/lnsasff

Posted by: RWC at January 28, 2014 03:05 PM (Q6HBD)

161 Vote for Pedro

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 28, 2014 03:05 PM (nTgAI)

162 ::: rests head on AtC's chest :::

Thank you. Thank you so much. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2014 07:01 PM (yz6yg)


There.  There.  Everything is going to be fine.  alex is here.


Ahem.   That hand doesn't go there.  Or there.  Or THERE.   How the hell did you even get it there in the first place? 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 03:05 PM (Gk3SS)

163 The (R)etards are the 'Designated Villain' of Political Wrestlemania. They follow a script and do exactly as they are told. This is simply Guerrilla Theater to entertain the few hoi polloi who are still awake. 2014 is already done. 2016 POTUS is already selected. Woodrow Wilson killed the representational republic, killed it dead. We have been utterly owned for 100 years. Shame, that.

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 28, 2014 03:05 PM (vHRtU)

164

...plus federal subsidies for taco trucks.

Posted by: wth at January 28, 2014 03:05 PM (wAQA5)

165 I voted for the guy from the Judea Youth party. Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 07:04 PM (qbQhu) I voted for the guy from the Youth Judea party. Splitters!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 03:06 PM (yz6yg)

166 Ruling Class Repubs favor amnesty because of the culture they live in. They are rich and mostly live in the richest DC suburbs that vote 80%+ for Obama. They have hispanic maids and gardeners that they personally like and want to give amnesty to. They really don't want their friends and neighbors and their children's friends and teachers to think of them as the evil, racist Republican who hates Mexicans. They swim in a culture where it is taken as self-evident that only racists could possibly oppose Amnesty. It affects them. They absorb the attitude through osmosis.

Posted by: Smiley Bone at January 28, 2014 03:06 PM (ZPrif)

167 Amnesty in any form guarantees Harry Reid as Majority Leader until at least 2018 and will put Granny Botoxus back as Speaker of the House. With a new nuclear option, Obama will guarantee a very liberal last two years. And Hillary will walk into the Oval Office in January 2017 This is Exactly how it will unfold. But leave the future-predicting to me, bub, k?

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 03:06 PM (qbQhu)

168 Ahem. That hand doesn't go there. Or there. Or THERE. How the hell did you even get it there in the first place? Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 07:05 PM (Gk3SS) Raw talent. Relax, this will only take 7 minutes.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 03:06 PM (yz6yg)

169 >>“One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,”

Where's that in the Constitution - next to the "good and plenty" clause that justifies Obamacare?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 03:06 PM (POpqt)

170 152 Well, so much for hate Obama night. Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 07:03 PM (g1DWB) Why should we hate the friend and partner in Immigration of the GOP? The so-called opposition party obviously doesn't hate him.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 03:07 PM (N9zne)

171 The GOPe defenders are late to the party? It's a good day to be Independent. After 6 years out of the party I'm not bothered anymore when they do this stuff, it's just another brick in the wall. The game is government against productive citizens. It's a very serious game. It's been lost. Let It Burn, Quickly. There are fortunes to be made on the other side of the canyon, but we can only go down, across and up to get there.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 03:07 PM (1Y+hH)

172 Why this push NOW? What odd timing. No one in the base wants it. It's right before an election thy are favored to win. It's in the middle of the Obamacare mess. Why now? Who is behind this push? Who is forcing this issue to the front? Something is very wrong here.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 28, 2014 03:08 PM (P6QsQ)

173 Every time Ace gets like this I hit the tip jar. Good point. What with all the ammo stockpiling and general angst, I've been remiss in paying for my reading pleasure. Ace, I pinged you a Grant. Go get a bottle of quality liquor, put up an open thread and join us in the comments.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 03:08 PM (QupBk)

174 Is this what Drudge meant by having an exit plan?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 03:08 PM (POpqt)

175 “One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,” Mr. Cantor said at the time.I don't think that's right.

Correct me if I'm mistaken here, but if a man robs a bank or engages in fraud and uses that money to buy a house, when he's caught, he's going to lose the house. His family, who may have known no other home, will lose it as well because he built it with stolen money.


Posted by: JImmie at January 28, 2014 03:08 PM (+pb/9)

176 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 06:57 PM (t3UFN) That was funny. Do more.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 03:08 PM (1Y+hH)

177 Okay, here's the thing- Or at least my thing- This whole free market, capitalism dealio it cuts both ways. If you're a rich dude like Zuckerberg or some guy running an industrial farm, and you get rich here in America and wages are low at the time.... well, good for you. But, let's say circumstances change and it costs you a bit more to pay 50 yr old American engineers or programmers or kids have done the right thing worked hard a graduated from good colleges with good grades, or, it costs more to get Americans to pick your corn or fruit- well, then you suck it up and pay that if that's what the free market here in the USA demands. You don't get to use your power and influence to harm your fellow citizens by undercutting their wages by importing millions of foreigners- Sorry, you just don't. The free market brought you wealth. The free market may require you to spend more. Deal with it. And if you don't really consider yourself an American but a citizen of the world and lookie here you can hire millions of someones from India or Mexico to destroy the middle class here in the US, then Be honest about it. Be a man about it. And go live and set up shop in India or Mexico or Botswana. Don't destroy our country just because you want to make $2billion instead of $1.75 billion. And Republican leadership- you should be ashamed of yourselves. You sell your souls cheaply.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (0cMkb)

178 I get all funny in my pants right before I'm about to speak.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (Dwehj)

179 Don't stay home. But don't vote the R either.

Write in 'No Amnesty.'

If enough people do that, election officials will report it and word will get back.

No, they won't.

 At least here in Illinois, before the polls open we get a list of people who registered as write-in candidates. Only write-ins matching for those people get tallied at the end of the night. If, as is frequently the case, that list is empty in the morning, no one ever looks at the write-ins.

Posted by: Methos, just about ready to end his GOP registration at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (hO9ad)

180 It's really such a horrible time to even contemplate amnesty .
unemployment,  financial  suckitude, more  families losing homes.

why? it doesn't even make sense to me.

Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (nqBYe)

181

When "your local Jewish Temple voted against you for President of Young Judea" and sided with the Nazis by promulgating the same goals then what difference does it make who you vote for?

 

I'm sorry, but there is no difference between being stabbed in the back by a "friend" and being stabbed by an enemy. At least your enemy doesn't hide his intentions.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (EYfcP)

182 Raw talent.

Relax, this will only take 7 minutes. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2014 07:06 PM (yz6yg)


I don't think you're supposed to quadruple dose like that.


In important not ripping each others' throats out news, both Hot Fuzz and Chronicle are on.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (Gk3SS)

183 Did "Born Free" actually get banned? I saw nothing explicit from Ace, so I'll assume not. Damn, it's been a while since I caught a banning live.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2014 03:09 PM (X3GkB)

184 Some Repubs honestly believe Amnesty is inevitable so the sooner we do it the better. There's a decent case for that. The argument is that the existing legal hispanic population is so large and growing so fast relative to the white population, and opposition to Amnesty is so easy to demagogue as purely due to race-hatred of Mexicans and latinos ... that Amnesty is inevitable. At best Repubs can delay it another decade before the hispanic voting % gets so high it gives Democrats permanent and total control, and then Amnesty happens. By that logic, best to do it now when Repubs have some say in the rules. I don't agree with that logic, but that's the logic.

Posted by: Smiley Bone at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (ZPrif)

185 >>Something is very wrong here.

Yeah, seems so.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (POpqt)

186 The illegals want amnesty for the same reason that gays want their 'marriages' legitimatized; access to Uncle Sugars bottomless pit of benefits. Not really. Gays make about 20% more than straights. It's all about psychological validation.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (T0NGe)

187 You just don't understand that Tim Carney throwing the girl into the volcano in Philadelphia was a symbol of how much Paul Thomas Anderson hates you for following Ayn Rand.  Go watch home videos of your grandmother.

Posted by: BORN ERG! at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (9F2c1)

188 152 Well, so much for hate Obama night.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 07:03 PM (g1DWB)
We can multi-task.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (F75MN)

189 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 06:57 PM (t3UFN) That was funny. Do more. Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 07:08 PM (1Y+hH) I only a few good ones in me each year, I have to be careful

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (t3UFN)

190 The thing is, they could ram it through during the lame duck session, I always figured they would. Why the fuck bring it up now? It's bad politics, bad policy, it's just plain fuck'n stupid.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (IV4od)

191 Speaking of Nazis, 'way back when, more years ago then seems possible,  in world history class, I used to think 'why didn't they leave the country?'. Or there would be a line in some guy's biography about leaving Germany in the '30's and bringing his family to the US where he became an industrial magnet [sic] and I would think 'why didn't more people do that'.

So here we are. I still don't get it. Nobody can see where we're going, no one can stop the train wreck, no one believes the train wreck will happen or it won't affect them. Everyone thinks they'll get a seat on the last helicopter out. They never see themselves as one of the mob of people at the embassy gate still trying to get in.

Posted by: Ronger P. D. Gnost at January 28, 2014 03:10 PM (WG3O5)

192 Which is worse?

Listening to TFG? or
Watching traitorous Speaker of the House golf clap the coup?


Posted by: NCwoof at January 28, 2014 03:11 PM (aUQgu)

193

Levin is bringing on Dr. Paul Kengor to talk about a more extensive search into Obama's and ValJar's backgrounds shortly.

 

http://player.listenlive.co/25111#en

Posted by: RushBabe at January 28, 2014 03:11 PM (hrIP5)

194 There's a decent case for that. The argument is that the existing legal hispanic population is so large and growing so fast relative to the white population, and opposition to Amnesty is so easy to demagogue as purely due to race-hatred of Mexicans and latinos ... that Amnesty is inevitable. Our financial collapse is also inevitable. Yet nobody wants to address that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 03:11 PM (N9zne)

195 fuck the RINO Party

LET
IT
BURN.

and the sooner the flames start, the better, in my book.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 28, 2014 03:11 PM (q+fqH)

196 When "your local Jewish Temple voted against you for President of Young Judea" and sided with the Nazis by promulgating the same goals then what difference does it make who you vote for? I'm sorry, but there is no difference between being stabbed in the back by a "friend" and being stabbed by an enemy. At least your enemy doesn't hide his intentions. Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 28, 2014 07:09 PM (EYfcP) I can't follow your logic but since your a Marine, can I buy you a drink?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 03:12 PM (t3UFN)

197 They are thinking about protection from persecution--more important than staying in office. They know things we don't.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 06:44 PM

Persecution or prosecution, baldi?

I haven't the slightest doubt that Choom Boy and his co-conspirators will follow the "by any means available" road for as long as they can get away with it (too long already) but please clarify your thoughts. There's a big difference.

By the way: to all those "I'll never vote R again if they do this" types, you will in essence be getting the same result whether you vote R or D.

I say punish all of them. Every friggin' one. If we applied existing laws, a conservative estimate is that at least 99% of Congress is eligible for heavy jail time. As, of course, ar President Historic First© and his band of traitors and terrorists.

This is the only way the country can be saved: a return the the rule of law, and the removal (and punishment) of every damned felon in D.C.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2014 03:12 PM (ff7/5)

198 I don't think you're supposed to quadruple dose like that. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 07:09 PM (Gk3SS) Probably. But what a way to go.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 03:12 PM (yz6yg)

199 We don't like this electorate. We want to import a new one. One that appreciates all the "free" stuff we give them.

Posted by: The GOP Establishment at January 28, 2014 03:12 PM (pginn)

200 I can hardly wait for Barky tonight. I heard great things from my boy Reggie.

Posted by: Jayson Collins at January 28, 2014 03:12 PM (X3GkB)

201 how did we get started with Nazis? Ace makes poat about lousy Republicans. Someone mentions Mike Castle. And then it was like BOOM! here come the Nazis.

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 03:12 PM (qbQhu)

202 Then there are the "National Greatness" Repubs like McCain. McCain wants Amnesty cause he wants American to have as large a population as possible so we can stay on top of China and #1 forever and so we have enough fodder for the glorious Sino-American War of 2037 when his grand-son gets to lead the American Navy in a great naval battle in the Pacific. Need more Mexicans for McCain's family line of naval warrior-statesmen to do important naval warrior-statesmen things with.

Posted by: Smiley Bone at January 28, 2014 03:13 PM (ZPrif)

203 >>>“One of the great founding principles of our country was that children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents,” Mr. Cantor said"<<<



If I broke into someone's house, stole their stuff and gave it to my kids (if I had them) the kids don't get to keep it. If I broke into someone's house and decided just to live there because it was nicer than my old house, my kids couldn't keep living there forever just because we mad it inside.

Not only that, I'd likely be thrown in jail for the offenses and then the kids lives would be all that much harder.

What a bunch of fucking idiots in the GOP!

Posted by: Hate Miser at January 28, 2014 03:13 PM (XCGHz)

204 nah I don't need tips. I guess I just needed a talking to, and to be told to take a deep breath. I'm fine now.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 03:13 PM (/FnUH)

205 why? it doesn't even make sense to me. Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 07:09 PM (nqBYe) Because, as you will hear tonight in exactly these words (if you're crazy enought to listen), "It's the right thing to do."

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 03:13 PM (1Y+hH)

206 "Amnesty in any form guarantees Harry Reid as Majority Leader until at least 2018 and will put Granny Botoxus back as Speaker of the House. With a new nuclear option, Obama will guarantee a very liberal last two years. And Hillary will walk into the Oval Office in January 2017"

Maybe that's what the party wants.  Much easier to fundraise as the minority party fighting hard for the last of your rights before we roll over and give the Democrats 75% of what they want.  With a promise to give them 40% more later.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 28, 2014 03:13 PM (kUgpq)

207 thanks for the words of support and comfort. They helped.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 03:13 PM (/FnUH)

208 Listening to McCarthy on Fox.  Doesn't sound like they are doing amnesty.  We'll see.

Posted by: The EPA at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (o9Rp5)

209 > 173 "Why this push NOW? What odd timing. No one in the base wants it. It's right before an election thy are favored to win. It's in the middle of the Obamacare mess. Why now? Who is behind this push? Who is forcing this issue to the front? Something is very wrong here." Mama, I mean Grammie, nothing odd here at all. This is strictly according to plan. The two party system is a myth. It died 100 years ago. This is simply bread and circuses for the masses, while the actual changes are done to benefit the very few. Family Dynasties is the answer. All else is smoke and mirrors for the kulaks...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (vHRtU)

210 btw, was it already mentioned that KABOOM is also the title of a very bad scifi/horror flick made in 2010? Let's liveblog it!!

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (qbQhu)

211 how did we get started with Nazis? Ace makes poat about lousy Republicans. Someone mentions Mike Castle. And then it was like BOOM! here come the Nazis. Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 28, 2014 07:12 PM (qbQhu) Don't be stupid, be a smarty, come and join the Nazi party!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (t3UFN)

212 Yes, let them put themselves out of our misery.  Have fun with those "natural conservative voters."  Let's see how well things work when you piss of the actual conservative voters. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (vBhbc)

213 Been reading all the comments, as usual, if I keep it up, there'll be a nood one before I catch up. Baldilocks, you're definitely on the right track. And that stuff has been going on for awhile. The surveillance society we're in now makes it easier. "We battle not against flesh and blood..."

Posted by: teej at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (/BwGa)

214 Fully engaged in enjoying the decline.

Posted by: Carl at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (AhCCF)

215 I only a few good ones in me each year, I have to be careful Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2014 07:10 PM (t3UFN) Holding the good stuff back until the primaries, I get it. It's going to get interesting.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (1Y+hH)

216 And then it was like BOOM! here come the Nazis. All the Nazis fled to South America. They migrated here. They'll get amnesty and start voting.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 28, 2014 03:14 PM (N9zne)

217 Everyone thinks they'll get a seat on the last helicopter out. They never see themselves as one of the mob of people at the embassy gate still trying to get in.

Posted by: Ronger P. D. Gnost at January 28, 2014 07:10 PM (WG3O5)


The only thing I know is that the first 53 who come through my door are gonna get capped.  Which reminds me, I gotta get my ass out tomorrow and buy more ammo.  Maybe some hollowponts, if I can get 'em.

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 03:15 PM (8lmkt)

218 I can hardly wait for Barky tonight. I heard great things from my boy Reggie. Posted by: Jayson Collins at January 28, 2014 07:12 PM (X3GkB) Barack knows how to take it to the hoop, Jay.

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2014 03:15 PM (qGrlV)

219 I hate the quitters usually, but why should I bother showing up to vote R? I probably will just to keep my "I voted" sticker collection going, but that may not compel other people.

Posted by: Beagle at January 28, 2014 03:15 PM (sOtz/)

220 Damn, thought I still had a Kal Penn sock on.

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2014 03:15 PM (qGrlV)

221 >>>If we applied existing laws, a conservative estimate is that at least 99% of Congress is eligible for heavy jail time. As, of course, ar President Historic First© and his band of traitors and terrorists.


Be nice, they're just the characters who need to show up on TV. Try emptying every single federal and state bureacracy into a very large wood chipper and barring their descendants five generations deep from working for the state or voting, and you'd get somewhere.

Posted by: kartoffel at January 28, 2014 03:15 PM (07vvi)

222 208 thanks for the words of support and comfort. They helped. Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 07:13 PM You're a good man Ace. Enjoy the valurite and try to relax.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 28, 2014 03:16 PM (C3Wjb)

223 "So here we are. I still don't get it. Nobody can see where we're going, no one can stop the train wreck, no one believes the train wreck will happen or it won't affect them."

i know where we're going, i can't stop the wreck and there's no place left to go, even if i had the resources to leave, which the last 5 years or so has made sure i don't, so i just say the magic words* and stand ready.

besides, if you run, you'll just die tired, so you might as well stand and fight.

*"Fuck It"

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 28, 2014 03:16 PM (q+fqH)

224 I'm fine now.

Well, then don't listen to me tonight. My STFU will put ya right back where ya started.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 28, 2014 03:16 PM (Dwehj)

225 @210 OG Sadly, I too am coming to that conclusion. We've been played for fools. With a very few exceptions, we have rulers now, not representatives.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 28, 2014 03:17 PM (P6QsQ)

226 Children would not be punished for the mistakes of their parents was one of the founding principles of the nation? WTF has Cantor been smoking? In Amerika, nobody is punished for their mistakes, unless they are white and middle class.

Posted by: Buddha at January 28, 2014 03:17 PM (s/sIv)

227 thanks for the words of support and comfort. They helped.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2014 07:13 PM (/FnUH)


dang, if I had the right equipment, I'd motorboat you right this minute . . .

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 03:17 PM (8lmkt)

228 219 I can hardly wait for Barky tonight. I heard great things from my boy Reggie. Posted by: Jayson Collins at January 28, 2014 07:12 PM (X3GkB) Barack knows how to take it to the hoop, Jay. Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2014 07:15 PM (qGrlV) He keeps the glass clean.

Posted by: Reggie Love at January 28, 2014 03:17 PM (X3GkB)

229 Oh Horde.


Netflix just told me that I want to see The Master.


I just fell off the couch laughing. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 03:17 PM (Gk3SS)

230 Netflix just told me that I want to see The Master. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 07:17 PM (Gk3SS) You rang?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 03:17 PM (yz6yg)

231 I guess I just needed a talking to, and to be told to take a deep breath. Or a good open-handed slap.

Posted by: Sean Connery at January 28, 2014 03:18 PM (qGrlV)

232 >>Listening to McCarthy on Fox. Doesn't sound like they are doing amnesty. We'll see. Much like reading the actual bill that Coburn/Hatch/Burr put out wasn't a bill to fix Obamacare, sometimes its better to get the fact before going to eleventh!!!!!! The Republicans are going to come out and demand border security before anything else gets done. Donks will balk. Nothing will happen. Watch.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 28, 2014 03:18 PM (g1DWB)

233 Because, as you will hear tonight in exactly these words (if you're crazy enought to listen), "It's the right thing to do."

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 07:13 PM (1Y+hH)


right for whom? those who chose to not count us as a soverign country and crossed illegally?

right for corporate america that want cheaper labor?


right for all american unemployed that  are now competing  for mick d's jobs?

Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 03:18 PM (nqBYe)

234 Netflix just told me that I want to see The Master. It keeps offering me Apocalypse movies. It's uncanny.

Posted by: toby928© at January 28, 2014 03:19 PM (QupBk)

235 Jack, well i like 12 better.

Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 03:19 PM (nqBYe)

236 alex going to watch the sotu address?

Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 03:19 PM (nqBYe)

237 "It keeps offering me Apocalypse movies. It's uncanny." Did you watch the terrible one with the pregnant chick and the evil midwife and the creepy twins?

Posted by: Lauren at January 28, 2014 03:20 PM (hFL/3)

238 nood

Posted by: Peaches at January 28, 2014 03:21 PM (8lmkt)

239 pssst willow nood

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 28, 2014 03:21 PM (yz6yg)

240 New thread.

Posted by: Boss Moss at January 28, 2014 03:21 PM (LAN8Y)

241 You rang? Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 28, 2014 07:17 PM (yz6yg)

*throatpunch*


No.


alex going to watch the sotu address?
Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 07:19 PM (nqBYe)


Don't be ridiculous, of course not.


I'm currently too busy plotting how to set up the televisions and dvd players to watch The Master and Volcano at the same time. 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 28, 2014 03:21 PM (Gk3SS)

242 He keeps the glass clean. Posted by: Reggie Love at January 28, 2014 07:17 PM (X3GkB) He's unstoppable in the Man to Man.

Posted by: Kal Penn at January 28, 2014 03:21 PM (qGrlV)

243 Much like reading the actual bill that Coburn/Hatch/Burr put out wasn't a bill to fix Obamacare, sometimes its better to get the fact before going to eleventh!!!!!!

---------------

Indeed.  Well said.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 28, 2014 03:22 PM (o9Rp5)

244 Persecution or prosecution, baldi? Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2014 07:12 PM (ff7/5) I used the word I intended to use. Prosecution is but one form of the persecution intended for those who won't fall in line and some of those who will, but outlive their usefulness.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 03:22 PM (36Rjy)

245 Vote for the SA because they're better than the SS!

Posted by: a different analogy at January 28, 2014 03:23 PM (NU/ou)

246

197>> I was referring to your admonition against voting for a Democrat because a RINO had sold us down the river.

 

If both parties are moving towards the same destructive policies, regardless if they're Dems and RINOs or and some Jewish temple and Nazis (your analogy) it seems silly to admonish someone for voting either way.

 

I'll take that drink in exchange for a cigar and we can comiserate or collaborate. Your choice.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at January 28, 2014 03:23 PM (4+PCd)

247 If you're wondering why Fuckerburg and all these douchenozzles are pushing this now, there is only one reason: To help the Democrats. They get the new voters, and Republicans lose their old voters. Any Republican who signs on for this suicide mission is a special needs whore. Now you see Dick Lugar and John Warner endorsing Democrats against viable Republican candidates. Now you know there were and still are traitors in your midst. This right here is the tell. Shitcan every one of 'em.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 28, 2014 03:24 PM (Y92Nd)

248 * sniffs * Hmm. I detect the odor of burned poster. Do I need to read upthread. Probably the prudent thing to do...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 28, 2014 03:24 PM (aDwsi)

249 Ukrainian PM has resigned and the military refuses to move against protestors.

Posted by: RWC at January 28, 2014 03:25 PM (Q6HBD)

250 Why this push NOW?

What odd timing. No one in the base wants it. It's right before an election thy are favored to win. It's in the middle of the Obamacare mess.

As somebody said above, it's because they think they can get away with it now. That we are so committed to ending Obamacare that we'll vote for them, no matter what.

One flaw among many in their thinking is that if they destroy the value of our citizenship we'll somehow trust them to end it.

Mathematics is going to end DC's schemes, more surely than any election will, and much sooner than any of them expect.

Posted by: Methos, just about ready to end his GOP registration at January 28, 2014 03:25 PM (hO9ad)

251 I'm currently too busy plotting how to set up the televisions and dvd players to watch The Master and Volcano at the same time.

Don't bother, it's all about how geniuses like me and Paul Thomas Anderson hate you stoopid wingnutz.  Especially the scene where the girl gets thrown into a volcano in Philadelphia.

Posted by: ERG! at January 28, 2014 03:27 PM (9F2c1)

252 154 It leaked out last year (memos, IIRC) that the UK's Labor government officials has been pushing increased immigration for over a decade specifically to dilute conservative citizens power. And yet the Republicans think this time it will turn out differently.

The UKIP party being the current fave party in the UK gives me a slight hope that the British spirit isn't dead yet. We'll see.

Posted by: LizLem at January 28, 2014 03:27 PM (BF+2f)

253 SOMEONE IS WRONG ON THE INTERNET Posted by: ace Funniest thing I've read in a month. Hands down. --Jazz hands down.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 28, 2014 03:27 PM (CAuLh)

254 I've only had time to read some comments, is there any defense of this idea out there? Is there someone here who can explain how this move will be beneficial to the country?

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 03:34 PM (1Y+hH)

255 To show you how little Cantor believes what he is saying about the son not being punished for the sins of the father all you need to do is ask him why this generation should pay for the debt run up by the previous ones?  Shouldn't it be zeroed out for each generation as they come along?  How can they owe for something they never agreed to and received no benefit from?  What right does the government have to commit generations yet unborn to pay for Sandra Fluke's party time, or to buy votes for Cantor and the other bastards that populate DC?

If they want to amnesty all of these people then at least make them buy their way in.  Divide up the national debt by the number of immigrants we want to import, or calculate the resources they have already used and make them pay for entrance so that they have skin in the game.  Otherwise the incentives are all wrong and they just receive nothing but bennies for violating the law and they feel no ownership of their citizenship since it was given to them rather than earned.

And everything has to be conditioned on closing the border or we will be repeating this ad infinitum.  Which is the plan as it stands now.

But I think either way, the Republican party is done.  It stands for nothing and believes in nothing.  The lesser of two evils is no longer enough.  There has to be an alternative which is why both parties are obsessed with the Tea Party.   They will keep attempting to marginalize it because it is the only thing that threatens to remove their noses from the trough.

Posted by: Thatch at January 28, 2014 03:34 PM (qYvEa)

256 right for whom? those who chose to not count us as a soverign country and crossed illegally?right for corporate america that want cheaper labor? right for all american unemployed that are now competing for mick d's jobs? Posted by: willow at January 28, 2014 07:18 PM (nqBYe) Whoops, you just moved above my pay grade, lovely willow. You'll have to listen to the President tonight to get the explanation. Why he claims the R's are "do-nothing" I'll never understand.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 03:39 PM (1Y+hH)

257 Can we no officially say we're a one party nation? Democrats and Democrat Lite.  No real difference.

/welcome to the banana republic of the u. s. of a., where taxpayers must finance for the insurance and benefits for those who are here illegally.

Posted by: shibumi at January 28, 2014 03:40 PM (25HWz)

258 Whoops, you just moved above my pay grade, lovely willow. You'll have to listen to the President tonight to get the explanation. Why he claims the R's are "do-nothing" I'll never understand. Posted by: Meremortal at January 28, 2014 07:39 PM (1Y+hH) He's a liar. What's to understand?

Posted by: baldilocks at January 28, 2014 03:41 PM (36Rjy)

259 _______________________________

If those bastards push through _any_ kind of an immigration bill that undergoes compromise with the Democrat run Senate and is finally signed into "law" under this president: the GOP will have committed suicide.

I - and many other conservatives - will not be willing to vote for a presidential candidate who doesn't denounce such a piece of crap.
But at the same time, the GOP won't be able to nominate a candidate for president who denounces such a piece of crap.

Conservatives will finally and truly desert the party in droves.

End of story. 


Posted by: _Dave_ at January 28, 2014 03:43 PM (07UzX)

260 How does raising the minimum wage while granting amnesty make sense? Minimum wage nullifies the cheap labor argument by the Chamber of Commerce.

Posted by: CheapHessian at January 28, 2014 04:05 PM (nJt8h)

261 Meremortal, there's a defence of it linked in my sock. It's stupid b.s. but the defence of it is there. Safe link to a conservative blog and not e.g. the NYT.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 28, 2014 04:05 PM (NU/ou)

262 Picked this up from the Corner at National Review: ....Call it "The Chamber of Commerce Protection and Affordable Lawn Care Act of 2014," AKA BoehnerCare.

Posted by: Budahmon at January 28, 2014 04:07 PM (bBSSG)

263 Wait! We can't deport all these people! (Even though they managed to get here somehow) Wait! We can't split up families! (Even though most are here sending money home to mama and the bambinos) Wait! We can't be all heartless and stuff and not share our country! Even though they all have perfectly good countries of their own! Hire a couple of fast food managers, we can serve 100's of thousands a year! Give us the army which also knows how to move large numbers of people, job done in a year. Take back our country. 1st leave in ninety days you can take all your stuff. We will provide the moving vans. 2nd after ninety days we load you up where we find you, and drive you over the border. 3rd guard our borders with our military which is the actual constitutional purpose and use of the military. Wow that was easy!

Posted by: Palooka at January 28, 2014 04:08 PM (Z7njD)

264 I believe the consequences for this betrayal will reverberate for decades.  The R's may still win the senate in 2014, but these fucking idiots have put that in doubt.  The R's will get crushed in 2016 possibly with all three branches under Dem control.  Then look the fuck out.  Unlimited immigration like we saw in Britain, gun control or even confiscation that will make the blood flow in the street.  Permanent Democratic majority.  Pure Socialism or worse.   Even if they don't succeed this year with amnesty, they keep coming relentlessly until they win.  Bet on it.  Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, McCarthy, Goodlatte are fucking traitors to a once great nation.  Let it burn.

Posted by: Dan in Michigan at January 28, 2014 04:19 PM (PVUxh)

265 "For Some Reason, GOP Determined to Thwart Its Base and Pass Some Kind of Limited Amnesty" Yeah it's probably because they'd like to win the presidency and control of the Senate again sometime in the next couple of generations Ace. It's always important when reading any of Ace's prognostications on any topics related to politics that this is the guy who predicted the day before the last presidential election that Romney would win with an electoral college vote of 348 to 190 even when all the real polling was showing Obama way out in front. It's impossible to take anyone that deluded seriously. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334683.php#334683 "So I have decided the state polls are simply wrong, and the national polls understate Romney's support by 3-4 points. ... So here's my prediction: Romney 348, Obama 190. ... that forecasts a big Romney win. ... Of all the polls I don't believe, Wisconsin is the one I don't believe the hardest. This is a state which has gotten used to voting Republican and, I might say, gotten rather good at it. But they're going to vote for Obama? I just don't believe it." Obama won Wisconsin with 52.8% of the vote. Everyone needs to face the fact that Ace hasn't got a fucking clue what he is talking about when it comes to politics especially at the national level.

Posted by: Fact back at January 28, 2014 06:28 PM (PmhHV)

266 _______________________________

Hey non-Fact, have you ever heard of the phrase, "Comparing apples to oranges."?

Lots of folks got the 2012 election wrong.
That has nothing to do with how the conservative base will react to the GOP if the GOP is as idiotic as you and pushes through an immigration bill.

The conservative base will not leave the GOP out of spite.

Rather, the conservative base will realize the GOP has utterly abandoned us.
At that point, it will be a truly sad but extremely simple choice to stop supporting the GOP.
We won't send money. And we sure as hell won't vote for them.
It will be over - that's all.

You see, there just won't be anything to vote for. We'll hate it. But we'll have no choice but to accept it.

Non-"Fact", if you believe the GOP can win a presidential election cycle without the basic support of its conservative base: then you are the delusional non-fact that you clearly are.





Posted by: _Dave_ at January 28, 2014 10:29 PM (07UzX)

267

More than the substance of the Immigration matter itself is the anger over the underlying question: Who controls the GOP? The actual people who make it up and vote it into office, or the establishment figures being paid to staff it and their big-dollar donors, such as the corporate/business cartel?

It's pretty clear it's the latter.


This is news?  You did not know this?  this has been crystal clear for at least 20 years.  There are some on this site and other conservative sites who claim there is no such thing as an "establishment" - that "establishment" is just a boogeyman used by stupid people who are "truecons" who are unwilling to compromise.


There is an establishment.  It is the actual elected GOP officials, those actually working for the GOP (the party chairman, the party staffers); the elected officials' aides, advisers and staffers; the GOP campaign professionals; and the big-money GOP donors.  These are the people who make all the decisions about what the GOP agenda will be, who will be the GOP's favored candidates in any primary and will get the support of the establishment, what will be pushed in congress, etc. 


It isn't some perfect hierarchy where we can say person "x" is in control of the establishment, but it is a pretty easy to read conglomerate.  Not every elected official has as much sway in the "establishment" as others.  Those not in the main-stream thinking of the establishment might not really even be part of it (i.e., Ted Cruz).  But the establishment exists and the establishment is NOT remotely conservative and does not want to pursue any conservative goals and does not want conservatives elected.


The only way to change the GOP - which is anti-conservative - is to change the establishment.  The only way to change the establishment is to either completely replace it (not going to happen.  electing one or two serious conservatives [i.e., those not just giving conservatism lip service to get elected] each year has no impact on the vast establishment, and those usually, over time, get co-opted by the establishment so over time you make no real progress).


the one way to change the GOP establishment is to put the fear of losing elections into it.  Not the fear of losing an election in a bad year generally for the GOP b/c independents went for the DNC.  but the fear that the GOP base - conservatives - is no longer going to vote for it.  Right now, the establishment (correctly) believes that it can lie to the base, promise the base what it wants to hear, and do the exact opposite every time and still get the base's money, volunteer efforts, and votes.  So, they continue to do just that - lie to us, tell us that they are against amnesty, against spending increases, for spending cuts, etc. - yet do the exact opposite every time.  Because they know we will keep voting for them. 


If they came to actually believe that we would stop voting for them, they would change.  They would have 2 options - stop lying about being conservative and instead vie for the same votes as the dems by being outright liberal or start delivering on their campaign promises and act conservative.


My money is on option 1 not being viable because if it is a race to the left, the DNC already has those votes locked up.  So, the GOP would be forced to act consistently with their campaign promises.


Which is why I advocate conservatives not voting GOP at all in the 2014 mid-terms.  Vote in your local elections, but refrain from voting in any Federal elections.  That will give actual statistics for the GOP to mull over. 

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 04:28 AM (sOx93)

268 Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 08:28 AM (sOx93)

Put a different way - if we don't change the GOP establishment, and it leaves me with a choice between a party that lies to me and does the opposite of what it says it will do (raise spending, increase gov't, amnesty) and a party that tells me what its going to do (raise spending, increase gov't, amnesty) - I guess I might as well take the honest party.  I'm getting the same result either way so I may as well not reward the party that is lying to me about it.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 04:37 AM (sOx93)

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