January 29, 2014

Fox Doubles MSNBC's Ratings, Quadruples CNN's
— Ace

CNN is faring badly.

umbers compiled by Nielsen Media Research show that Fox News is towering over the competition. Its total viewership surpassed CNN and MSNBC combined, with the gap increasing even further during prime time. Fox even surpassed its own record, coming up 6 percent in prime time viewers from this time last year. ItÂ’s great news for the cable network, which saw a slight decline in 2013 but now appears poised to regain that ground and more.

The big story, however, is CNNÂ’s precipitous drop in viewership. While MSNBC slowly bled viewers between last January and now, CNN hemorrhaged an astonishing 29 percent of its total viewers. And its prime time numbers are utterly abysmal, with 41 percent of its audience jumping ship in the space of just 12 months.

CNN will probably take from their precipitous decline that people are stupid, and that's why they watch Fox and not CNN. (And why they watch MSNBC and not CNN.)

That's the wrong take. People are in fact largely pretty stupid, but, as regards CNN's ratings health, they're not stupid enough.

It is true that Fox news has a partisan Republican and ideological conservative tilt. I think that's excusable because Fox's raison d'etre is to serve as a counterbalance to the relentless, ubiquitous partisan Democrat and ideological progressive tilt of all the other media (except for upstarts, like The Blaze).

And CNN would be right to think that MSNBC's viewers are stupid and crude, demanding constant partisan outrage fixes and ideological validation, like monkeys habituated to a cocaine drip.

But CNN is very nearly as biased to the left as MSNBC. CNN just uses the old model of media bias, one of implausible deniability. The denial of leftwing bias isn't plausible, but they're going to deny it nevertheless.

CNN would like to position itself as the smart, fact-based, probing news alternative to more demanding news consumers.

But they don't actually do the work necessary to be that. They pantomime their positioning. They offer less hot partisan hype than MSNBC. But scratch just a millimeter deep into Nonpartisan Real News paintjob and you find CNN loaded with all the same bias as MSNBC. They just convey it more subtly.

There probably is an audience for a straight-news, no bias news network. As the market fragments into smaller pieces, different approaches will attract different cohorts and wind up being profitable.

But CNN will never be able to attract such an audience when it continues to be "MSNBC with 50% less overt conservative-bashing and 90% less poop talk."

If CNN wishes to survive, it has to create a unique brand for itself and appeal strongly to an audience (even if that audience is fated to be smaller than MSNBC's and Fox's).

Simply being MSNBC's Somewhat-Better-Behaved-Big-Brother is not sufficiently unique.

On the other hand, if they confessed that Fox has a pretty good point as far as implicit and explicit bias, and sought to eliminate that without taking the next step of adding in Fox's own implicit and explicit bias, they might have a product that people would actually like.

But they won't. Their bias is too important to them. People don't go into the news business to make profits or report, neutrally, on the news. They go into the news business specifically to change minds, and specifically they want to change the minds of conservatives and independents towards the progressive viewpoint.

That's the fun part of the job, the satisfying part. The part that makes up for the fact that most people in the news media don't make a great deal of money, and also, by the way, don't hire many minorities.

I just thought I'd mention that.

Posted by: Ace at 10:22 AM | Comments (367)
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1 Ace, are YOUR numbers better than CNNs by now? Seriously.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (+cx5n)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:25 AM (PYAXX)

3 Much as we love to slam Piers Morgan, CNN is also home to Carol Costello, who is at least as big of a Palace Guard presstitute as any of the apparatchiks on MSDNC.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:26 AM (7ObY1)

4 If I had a la carte cable choice CNN and MSNBC would never get a nickle from me. Which is why you'll never have a choice.

Posted by: Comcast at January 29, 2014 10:26 AM (PYAXX)

5 CNN is actually broadcast? I thought they just had the contract for Airport and Hospital Waiting Room play?

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 10:26 AM (59naz)

6 And don't forget the donuts in the Green Room!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 29, 2014 10:26 AM (fA3u5)

7
CNN is fairing badly.


BWAhahahahahahahahah! [GAAAAAAASP] BWahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: joncelli, swinging his schadenboner at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (RD7QR)

8 If you look at the actual number of viewers, CNN is way under a million. Not being an expert of how TV stats work, does that mean per show, or per hour or what? And is there turnover hour-to-hour? Are the same 750,000 people watching all day long? And how many "unique Visitors Per Day" does AOSHQ get? Seriously, I bet a large-ish blog has a greater audience than many of these TV stations. And yet we still grant TV this "pride of place." Don't know why. If not AOS, then at leatst huge blog sites like The Blaze, HuffPo, etc. absolutely blow away cable news ratings, viewership-wise.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (+cx5n)

9

The only reason CNN's ratings are what they are is because they force you to watch that shit when you are stuck in an airport.

Posted by: dan-O at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (D0bIN)

10 In cases such as cable news stations and talk radio, ratings don't mean a thing. Ad buys are king.

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (QVbQw)

11 FNC also benefits from a lot of liberals watching it. Some conservatives may do oppo watching, say, MSLAD but by and large are not that masochistic. And let's face it: The babes on FOX outclass those on all the other news networks.

Posted by: logprof at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (X3GkB)

12 Isn't Headline News (HLN) a subsidiary or offshoot of CNN?   Because Headline fucking News is as batshit leftwing crazy as MessNBC.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (4df7R)

13 But they won't. Their bias is too important to them. People don't go into the news business to make profits or report, neutrally, on the news. They go into the news business specifically to change minds, and specifically they want to change the minds of conservatives and independents towards the progressive viewpoint. *********** I once read the psychological profile of people that are attracted to journalism. They see themselves as--"white knights" and as "fighting for the little guy" and therefore that dovetails nicely with the Noble Lies theory you have about Liberals. They bend the rules because they know what is best for the little guy. It's something like that.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (RJMhd)

14 Hasn't CNN also ventured away from all news in the past year and started more down the reality show and bloviating talking head path?

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (z+Xap)

15 Jan 27, 2014

Jeff Zucker on CNNÂ’s plan for more reality shows, original series and documentaries
( Wa Po link )

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (cxs6V)

16 360 is having a tough time drawing demo on Fire Island at this point

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (Pr6hk)

17 Basically it's arrogance. Arrogance and vanity. That's a really bad combo.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (RJMhd)

18 I thought they just had the contract for Airport and Hospital Waiting Room play? And gyms. The World Gym I use plays CNN, FNC and ESPN on the big screens in the cardio area. At least there's no MSDNC, and I watch FOX or ESPN. As long as Olberdouche isn't on ESPN.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (7ObY1)

19 Who woulda thunk that people interested in NEWS would eschew Liberal propaganda?

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (bb5+k)

20 Premiering this fall on CNN Anderson Cooper's Smear the Queer!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (oFCZn)

21 Television suits are right on par with slime mold for intelligence and good looks. CNN was a news network. That's the brand. DO NEWS and I will bet a substantial amount that you will begin to recover. The downfall came when they turned Headline News into wahtever the hell that is supposed to be and decided that paying Larry King $12 million was sound business practice. How many bureaus can you operate around the world for $12 million?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (659DL)

22 I wonder if they'll get a government bailout.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (IXrOn)

23 I watched MSNBC the other day just to be able to say I don't always watch Fox. At one point they had a panel of 6 that all agreed that Obama was the greatest.  Why bother to have 6 people on set to agree with a host?  Monkey are more fun and won't cost nearly as much.  And when they start flinging poo, the ratings will soar!

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (fA3u5)

24 Every single journalism student says the same damn thing. They want to be journalists to "make a difference". Perhaps someone should explain to them that they don't want to be journalists, they want to be propagandists.

Posted by: Lauren at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (hFL/3)

25 Jeff Zucker on CNNÂ’s plan for more reality shows, original series and documentaries So, they're going to pick up the syndication rights for the History Channel.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (659DL)

26

The CNN shiznit had become stone cold crazy dog

Posted by: Bernard Shaw at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (Pr6hk)

27 Yea, Fox leans right but there's another even bigger difference from MSNBC these days. MSNBC is no longer even in the news business. They don't even claim to be. They are a full time left wing partisan machine. How dumb do you have to be to think you are getting cogent political analysis from the likes of Al Sharpton or Ed Schultz? Thats a big reason we lose elections to these idiots, they really are idiots. Simple math is beyond their grasp, forget macro economics.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (g1DWB)

28 We're coming for you CNN.

Posted by: Al Jazeera America at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (OMxeO)

29 I wager than at least half the viewership at MSNBC is "hate-watching" by opposition researchers and people doing target practice with their Nerf guns.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (+cx5n)

30 Hollywood and     little brother alphabet networks have the most bizarre marketing scheme   I have ever seen.   They    preach to the indigent choir while they demean the very people that actually have the income to purchase the products they offer, either directly or through advertisers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (ZkzmI)

31 Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 02:27 PM (RJMhd) If you can deal with it, Newsroom has their complex on full display. It's a paean to themselves.

Posted by: AMDG at January 29, 2014 10:30 AM (t7OO0)

32 "If I had a la carte cable choice CNN and MSNBC would never get a nickle from me."

Yep. This is one of the most incredibly annoying things about the Beltway GOP establishment. Consumer choice bills to enable cable unbundling pop up and the establishment elders can't swat them back down fast enough.

Even though unbundling would do amazingly useful things from a conservative perspective, the Beltway RINOs aren't there to represent that perspective. They're there to carry the water of Big Business, including Big Media, and Big Media loathe the very thought of a la carte cable.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (gqT4g)

33
Another reason I think people hate watching CNN: they hate being lectured by rich, white, internationalist-class snobs like Wolf Blitzer, Christiance Amanpour, Erin Burnett, etc.  These people clearly think they know much more than the dumb hoi palloi watching their show. 

It turns out, people don't like being talked to, and they tune out.



Posted by: dan-O at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (D0bIN)

34 Our chief weapon is our relentless devotion to our cause.

Posted by: The CNN Spanish Inquisition at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (fA3u5)

35 Zombie @9, It's that pesky "broadcast media" thing. Much easier to shape the culture with TV (rather than, say, blogs) because of all the crap you can slide into the background. Bastards.

Posted by: Piercello at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (jJ97i)

36 I don't know that I agree with you that Fox has a "Republican and Conservative bias." Their news is more-or-less directed by Sheppard Smith. Their Prime Time lineup is BOR (he of the "Republicans say this! Democrats say this! So it must be the middle! You meathead!"), Hannity, and now Megan- but didn't she replace Greta? So, while they do have people who are Conservative/Republican (not the same thing) biased, they have enough other viewpoints in positions of power that I can't really say that the Network has the bias.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (PYAXX)

37 Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 02:30 PM (g1DWB) Saw a tweet last night from MSNBC. "Come check out our OFA hangout on MSNBC!"

Posted by: AMDG at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (t7OO0)

38 Arrogance and vanity.

That's a really bad combo.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 02:28 PM (RJMhd)

 

Good point

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 29, 2014 10:31 AM (nTgAI)

39 BRING BACK SOLEDAD O'BRAIN!

Posted by: --- at January 29, 2014 10:32 AM (MMC8r)

40 >>don't hire many minorities. Do the top jobs go mostly to men? Cuz that might be something for the prezident to look into to solve the wage gap.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 29, 2014 10:32 AM (SUKHu)

41 Every single time I switch on Special Ed Schultz, he's spitting out the word "Republicans" like he's spitting out a turd. I mean, every single time. I switch on MSDNC for one second and there's Special Ed saying "Republicans" in that sneering tone of voice. It's weird. Is that all he does for an hour every night?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:32 AM (7ObY1)

42 They preach to the indigent choir while they demean the very people that actually have the income to purchase the products they offer, either directly or through advertisers.

Half the ads I see when the breakroom TV is on CNN are "Medicaid! Get this doohickey at no cost to you!"--the cost will be borne by the taxpayers, who aren't watching because they're at work.

Posted by: HR at January 29, 2014 10:32 AM (ZKzrr)

43 Saw a tweet last night from MSNBC. "Come check out our OFA hangout on MSNBC!" Is that like a tree fort with a crudely lettered sign that says 'No gurls alowd'?

Posted by: --- at January 29, 2014 10:33 AM (MMC8r)

44 People are tired of the man (crying) Wolf.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:33 AM (IXrOn)

45

" But scratch just a millimeter deep into Nonpartisan Real News paintjob and you find CNN loaded with all the same bias as MSNBC. They just convey it more subtly."

 

First time I have ever heard Piers Morgan described as subtle, but compared to Ed Schultz....

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy a Hissy or Coniption, Get a Free Fitting! at January 29, 2014 10:33 AM (hLRSq)

46 Here's an idea.  CNN could re-brand itself as the media that relentlessly exposes government corruption, lies, scandals, evasions and generally villainous behavior regardless of party.  Sound interesting?  Let them start today and make up for lost time. 

They would be the first media company to do it since maybe the 1940's.

Posted by: whocares at January 29, 2014 10:33 AM (3bo9E)

47 I thought they just had the contract for Airport and Hospital Waiting Room play? Nope. Mortuaries.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:33 AM (0HooB)

48 It was funny, a few years ago, CNN Headline news (because it still broadcast the news) started out drawing CNN.  So instead of returning CNN to CNN Original, they made Headline batshit crazy too.

Get some real anchors, news stories from across the country, a sports half-hour or two, it might get actual ratings

Posted by: Bernard Shaw at January 29, 2014 10:33 AM (Pr6hk)

49 At some point amazon / Bezos will probably launch his own news network (just wild speculation)

Posted by: votermom at January 29, 2014 10:34 AM (GSIDW)

50 Are these 'ratings' audited like newspaper circulation numbers? Since advertising costs are based on 'ratings', like newspaper ads based on circulation, can we be sure these 'ratings' are accurate?

Seems like advertisers would want to put their ads out to the largest audience at the lowest possible cost.

Posted by: Thomas Farthing Sr. at January 29, 2014 10:34 AM (YrBDu)

51 BRING BACK SOLEDAD O'BRAIN! Look, LA dodged a bullet from her reentry and impact after that celebrity Jeopardy appearance. The crater is still smoldering and is to blame for most of the wildfires in California.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:34 AM (659DL)

52 32 Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 02:27 PM (RJMhd) If you can deal with it, Newsroom has their complex on full display. It's a paean to themselves. Posted by: AMDG at January 29, 2014 02:30 PM (t7OO0) ************ Are you referring to that HBO series? Hell to the no--I cannot deal with that. I read somewhere that the writer modeled the "hero" after Chris Matthews!? I think all I could watch was a clip on a blog.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:34 AM (RJMhd)

53

>>>CNN would like to position itself as the smart, fact-based, probing news alternative to more demanding news consumers.

>>>But they don't actually do the work necessary to be that. They pantomime their positioning. They offer less hot partisan hype than MSNBC. But scratch just a millimeter deep into Nonpartisan Real News paintjob and you find CNN loaded with all the same bias as MSNBC. They just convey it more subtly.


Exactly. Except for that last line with the subtly part. They are about as subtle as a freight train. Although you were comparing them to MSNBC, so I suppose you can get away with it.

There really is a demand for unbiased news, an outlet that would be equally willing to stick it to either side. And it doesn't surprise me that those working there would rather serve their own biases, but it does surprise me that stockholders don't demand better management so they could make more money.


Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at January 29, 2014 10:34 AM (IN7k+)

54

Every single journalism student says the same damn thing.



They want to be journalists to "make a difference".

 

Posted by: Lauren at January 29, 2014 02:29 PM (hFL/3)

 

 

That attitude pisses me off SO MUCH,   because it proves that these alleged journalists don't understand what the fuck journalism is supposed to be about.   It is not supposed to be about "making a difference."   Journalism is supposed to be about   recording events and facts in as clear and unbiased a way as possible so that THE    AUDIENCE CONSUMING IT    can decide if THEY want to do something or not.   The point of a   journalist is not to make the    news,  and not even to report the news.   The point of a journalist is to     put things down on paper so that a reader or     viewer can have access to information that they otherwise wouldn't have access to,  and can thus make informed decisions.

 

All    the "journalists" of the    last  thirty or forty years have     been nothing more than propagandizing     government mouthpieces, as bad as any Soviet    apparatchik.    They should be     tarred and fucking feathered,   every last one of them,    and left in a ditch   to be pissed on by passersby.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (4df7R)

55 I get most of my news from the internet nowdays.  I have FNC on for the static noise........and broads.  Ah, Andrea Tarantula.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (XrYtg)

56 FOX lost me with shep smith, but I did watch The Five, and there was a really good show on Fox Business in a bar with some dude who just went cowboy, but outside of that it's just lukewarm "have you seen this?"  bullshit.

MSNBC makes me kill baby kittehs with a shotgun.

CNN is irrelevant.  As are the alphabet news channels.  Watching local news will make you twitch.  For weeks.

So Fox is the best bullshit of all the bullshit.

Congrats, here's your turd.

Posted by: tedrush@ymail.com at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (x3YFz)

57 They bend the rules because they know what is best for the little guy. It's something like that. Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 02:27 PM (RJMhd) It is exactly like that. Conservatives go into business to support themselves and their families. Liberal Idealistic fools try to change the world by steering government or public opinion from positions of influence.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (bb5+k)

58 I have just what you need, CNN. Call me. *meadow*

Posted by: Dan Rather at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (DmNpO)

59 36 Zombie @9, It's that pesky "broadcast media" thing. Much easier to shape the culture with TV (rather than, say, blogs) because of all the crap you can slide into the background. Bastards. Posted by: Piercello Yeah, but if less than one million people -- which is one-third of one-percent of the nation -- are watching your culture-shaping propaganda, then it can't very very effective, can it? Due to history, we just ASSUME that all TV is the "big boy" when it comes to influencing the public. But is that really the case any more? Maybe the mainstream broadcast networks are still dominant, viewership-wise, but I suspect that cable is 500 niches, none of which individually can influence much.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (+cx5n)

60 I laughed, a lot, at the understatement of faring badly.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (Gk3SS)

61 They just convey it more subtly. *cough*Candy Crowley*cough*

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (IXrOn)

62 When you think Piers fucking Morgan is a good business decision, you deserve to get your ass kicked by MSDNC.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 29, 2014 10:36 AM (fT3qO)

63 So the CNN concept seems to be that while they'll put the dimmest of dim bulbs on air (Soledad O'Brien, anyone?) they will have Real Smart Producers in the back room feeding the dimwit via an earpiece (again O'Brien, famously).

Except you get occasional glimpses of the level of comprehension of the back room producers when you look at the chyron.

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/cnn_shuttle.jpg

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:36 AM (gqT4g)

64 Death to reality shows!

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 29, 2014 10:36 AM (E4MKN)

65 /looks at the sidebar... Ahhh... so.... I see the Weathermans Wu-Shu is Strong!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2014 10:36 AM (84gbM)

66 When you think Piers fucking Morgan is a good business decision, you deserve to get your ass kicked by MSDNC *** Have I shown you my Kinder Egg?

Posted by: Piers Morgan at January 29, 2014 10:36 AM (DmNpO)

67 Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 02:36 PM (gqT4g) LOL!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:37 AM (PYAXX)

68 e-mail in the wrong box!

Spam incoming.

Did this once before... and holy sweet low-crawling jeezus...

Posted by: aww fk me at January 29, 2014 10:37 AM (x3YFz)

69 on comparing CNN's viewers with uniques at this site: it's not even close; they are far larger. To get to that sort of comparison you'd have to look at the biggest blogs (hot air, instapundit) and the weakest shows. But that comparison would be deceptive, apples-to-oranges, as you'd be comparing the DAILY numbers for the blog versus the ratings for a particular show (which is one hour of ratings -- or maybe two, if they include the ratings for a later-at-night repeat). So no, there's really not a good comparison between TV and blogs, or, at least, not one that makes blogs look good and TV bad. There are one or two orders of magnitude in difference.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2014 10:37 AM (/FnUH)

70

Are these 'ratings' audited like newspaper circulation numbers? Since advertising costs are based on 'ratings', like newspaper ads based on circulation, can we be sure these 'ratings' are accurate?

Seems like advertisers would want to put their ads out to the largest audience at the lowest possible cost.

-

Yes they are audited independently, but the viewership numbers get padded by eyeballs, which is why a station like CNN will do anything to hold onto airports.

 

I'm sure the price per minute at CNN has declined substantially for the past few years.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 10:37 AM (ZkzmI)

71 Okay for some reason I was just reminded of this piece of hell video I saw at -- whitehouse.gov. Jay Carney is doing a video sort of blurb with an actor from West Wing to promote this thing the White House is having online called-- The White House Big Block of Cheese Day.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:37 AM (RJMhd)

72 Subtract trapped airport viewers from that equation, and then you get the real, just horrible and atrocious numbers of CNN.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 10:37 AM (tVTLU)

73 Wasn't it Don Lemon who wandered just a bit too far off the Left Plantation before he got attacked by his own?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:38 AM (IXrOn)

74 do their rating numbers count airports? if so they're doubly fucked.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 29, 2014 10:38 AM (HEa5q)

75 Rats like cheese.

Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 29, 2014 10:38 AM (QVbQw)

76 Cable News: "We're here to show you loops of video of the thing you heard about on the internet."

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 29, 2014 10:38 AM (gtjN1)

77 Is Robin Meade still on Headline News? I wouldn't mind a little of that...

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 29, 2014 10:38 AM (LSJmV)

78

I am disappointed that president Obama did not address his plan to arrest Bush last night. Bush lied to all of us and has gotten away with it. This really bothers me more then anything else

 

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (ZxqjT)

79 If CNN returned to its 1991 format, its ratings would double in 3 months, triple within the year.

Posted by: phreshone at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (Pr6hk)

80

They would more likely come to the conclusion that they are not leaning far enough to the left before they would ever even consider that unbiased news reporting might actually work or that there might actually exist a demographic that would like unfiltered news.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (BZAd3)

81 There are one or two orders of magnitude in difference. Posted by: ace at January 29, 2014 02:37 PM (/FnUH) I am not fat, Ace. What?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (659DL)

82 CNN biased to the left?  The hell you say.

Posted by: Paul Begala, Donna Brazile, James Carville, et al at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (SY2Kh)

83 "The White House Big Block of Cheese Day."

Oh, for a rapid-response opposition media crew who could quickly whip up a parody version, Big Block Of Government Cheese Day.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (gqT4g)

84 brb, clobberin

Posted by: lolrepgrimm at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (QVbQw)

85 Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 29, 2014 02:39 PM (ZxqjT) Have we met?

Posted by: Mary Bloggenstein from Battlebug, VT at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (fT3qO)

86 CNN pulls harder to the left than Clinton's dick.

Posted by: --- at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (MMC8r)

87 Jay Carney starring with Mr. West Wing in a promotion for the first evah-- White House--BIG Block of Cheese Day!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JJGDieJ5Tc (see if you can stomach watching that0

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (RJMhd)

88 If CNN returned to its 1991 format, its ratings would double in 3 months, triple within the year. Posted by: phreshone at January 29, 2014 02:39 PM (Pr6hk) This.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (659DL)

89 18 times the speed of light. Dear lord.

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (waJ+2)

90 OK O/T. Sure this has been posted. If you don't get a tear, then you need to go to Huff Po. http://tinyurl.com/me4zmry THIS is what being Southern is about!

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (0FSuD)

91 Isn't this line 150 straight months of FOX domination? I swear I saw something to that effect yesterday... I refuse to pay the outrageous feed for the crap that comes on anymore, so I watch none of them. I think, last time I had cable I rotated between about five channels.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (TwyVT)

92 My wife interrupted me once. Once.

Posted by: Rep Grimm[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (gtjN1)

93 All the "journalists" of the last thirty or forty years have been nothing more than propagandizing government mouthpieces, as bad as any Soviet apparatchik. They should be tarred and fucking feathered, every last one of them, and left in a ditch to be pissed on by passersby. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 29, 2014 02:35 PM (4df7R) Or broken in two and thrown off a balcony.

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (bb5+k)

94 If CNN returned to its 1991 format, its ratings would double in 3 months, triple within the year. Remember that it's 1991 format was being used as a cudgel against the FIRST eeeevil Boooosh. Circa 1993, they started showing that those first 2 years were biased, too. They've always been a liberal propaganda network. I've known more than a few Dessert Storm vets who blame CNN directly for Bush cutting the war short before we actually forced Saddam to say "uncle."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (PYAXX)

95 With the exception of Brett Bair's show I find FOX unwatchable as well. Becoming just as vapid and commercialized as the big networks.


 

Posted by: dananjcon at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (NpXoL)

96 85 "The White House Big Block of Cheese Day." Oh, for a rapid-response opposition media crew who could quickly whip up a parody version, Big Block Of Government Cheese Day. Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 02:39 PM (gqT4g) *********** Hell that's pretty good. I went too kinky with that cheesemucker guy in PA.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (RJMhd)

97

Fox's key to success = hot broads with nice legs and leg chairs.  And their people strike me as normal, if not in much better shape normal, Americans.

 

I mean seriously, outside of some dipshit college coffeeshop exactly how often do you run into someone who sounds and looks like Rachel Maddow.  And if that low % possibility actually happens, you treat them with respect and try to run the fuck away as quickly as possible.

 

No, I'm not having Maddow on my tv as background.  This is regardless of ideological bent.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 10:41 AM (tVTLU)

98 81 If CNN returned to its 1991 format, its ratings would double in 3 months, triple within the year. Posted by: phreshone at January 29, 2014 02:39 PM (Pr6hk) which was what 24 hour coverage of gulf war 1? The only that could help CNN now is all their competitors to suddenly go out of business.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 29, 2014 10:42 AM (HEa5q)

99 "And CNN would be right to think that MSNBC's viewers are stupid and crude, demanding constant partisan outrage fixes and ideological validation, like monkeys habituated to a cocaine drip."

Zinger!

Posted by: flounder at January 29, 2014 10:42 AM (Kkt/i)

100 Wife and I tend to watch CNN, in part because we like Foud Ajami as their middle east commenter, and in part because she buys into the whole "fox news isn't real" bit. For my part, I dunno, Fox's particular news lineup was never my style. I prefer "quick hits" as it were, if something interests me I'll go find more about it. Fox seems (when I do watch it) more interested in longer form discussion/debate about the news stories. Which is fine, I'm not calling it bad, just not my style. Having said all of that, I'll say this, we watch A LOT LESS news than we used to, and have just begun supplementing with local news (which we used to hardly ever watch.) CNN's new "360 later" is a joke, it's not even news. Not that we ever used to watch Larry King, but Morgan is entirely insufferable. Pretty much, I watch about 20 minutes of CNN during the day (to get the brief headlines while I'm eating lunch) and then we might watch Outfront while eating dinner, that's it. That's how insufferable it has become. Even an admitted CNN watcher goes "meh, I'd rather watch cartoons."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 29, 2014 10:42 AM (GaqMa)

101 >>White House--BIG Block of Cheese Day!! I thought Biden was the big block of cheese.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 10:42 AM (g1DWB)

102 In before "That's why I got rid of cabl...". Shit. Too late.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (LSJmV)

103 Who What When Where How

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (0HooB)

104 88 CNN pulls harder to the left than Clinton's dick. Posted by: --- at January 29, 2014 02:40 PM (MMC8r) Who told you that? It did twitch to the left as he came in my mouth in the oval office. Democrat leader of the free world. Nothing here to see, move along.

Posted by: Monica at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (0FSuD)

105 No, I'm not having Maddow on my tv as background. This is regardless of ideological bint.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (59naz)

106 The White House Big Block of Cheese Day. WasnÂ’t that the opening to Spinal Tap?

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (QF8uk)

107 There are one or two orders of magnitude in difference.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2014 02:37 PM (/FnUH)


Does that count all those other commenters at completely different blogs that are not this one or any of the commenters here in any possible way who hit refresh like a rat hitting the lever for a pellet of crack?


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (Gk3SS)

108 And what is the real rating once you factor out the airports that are forced to have it on?

(always liked the story of the frequent traveler who'd carry a universal remote and change the channel.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (VjL9S)

109 70 on comparing CNN's viewers with uniques at this site: it's not even close; they are far larger. To get to that sort of comparison you'd have to look at the biggest blogs (hot air, instapundit) and the weakest shows. But that comparison would be deceptive, apples-to-oranges, as you'd be comparing the DAILY numbers for the blog versus the ratings for a particular show (which is one hour of ratings -- or maybe two, if they include the ratings for a later-at-night repeat). So no, there's really not a good comparison between TV and blogs, or, at least, not one that makes blogs look good and TV bad. There are one or two orders of magnitude in difference. Posted by: ace Thanks for the clarification! However, your examples (instapundit, Hot Air) are still small compared to Huffington Post, Drudge, TheBlaze, and a few others, which I'm quite sure DO rival TV in number of viewers/readers per day. But definitely, on a person/hour-per-viewer basis, AOSHQ absolutely DESTROYS the cable networks. You have, what, one full-time worker (you), and eight part-timers? So that adds up to about five workers-per-day? And how many employees does CNN have? Thousands? Divide their viewership by their man-hours, and then divide AOS readership by YOUR man-hours, and you outshine by many orders of magnitude. Then if you combine your stats with, say, the other top 50 blogs, overall, they beat the cable networks in both total viewers and in man/hours-per-viewer.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (+cx5n)

110 "No, I'm not having Maddow on my tv as background. This is regardless of ideological bent." I find her strangely alluring.

Posted by: Harry Reid at January 29, 2014 10:43 AM (fT3qO)

111 Who was the woman that use to be on Fox mornings and moved to CNN? Giggly brunette. After E.D. Hill and before Gretchen Carlson I think. I cannot remember her name....Alzheimers sucks. Is she still on CNN?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 29, 2014 10:44 AM (bCEmE)

112 It's because they care so much ...

New York Times columnist and Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman is questioning Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom CoburnÂ’s claim that Obamacare caused him to lose his cancer specialist.

“It’s a garbage story, it really is,” said Krugman in a back-and-forth with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on CNN after the State of the Union on Tuesday.

Coburn, who announced earlier this month that he’ll resign from office at the end of the year as he battles his fourth bout with cancer, told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” that his oncologist was no longer covered under his health care plan.

Posted by: Baron Munchausen at January 29, 2014 10:44 AM (e8kgV)

113

And Ace, you're thinking about it the wrong way.  I don't know the raw numbers, but it is absolutely amazing that Instapundit beats ANY CNN show. 

 

Completely amazing, given TV's advantages that are inherent.  CNN's marketing budget is what?  What is Instapundit's?  I would also be curious as to the comparison of unique hits is as to cnn.com and instapundit.com.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 10:44 AM (tVTLU)

114 The big story, however, is CNNÂ’s precipitous drop in viewership. This time, you have me.

Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at January 29, 2014 10:44 AM (FcR7P)

115 Aside from The Five and Red Eye, FNC is mostly just background noise for me anymore. Take away Gutfeld, and to me, all that's left are the babes.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:44 AM (7ObY1)

116 Fox's key to success = hot broads with nice legs and leg chairs. I look great in a short skirt.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 29, 2014 10:44 AM (MMC8r)

117 I find her strangely alluring. Sweep the leg, Harry!

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (59naz)

118 You have, what, one full-time worker (you), and eight part-timers? So that adds up to about five workers-per-day? Don't forget the some sort of weasel that runs the software.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (659DL)

119 I would also be curious as to the comparison of unique hits is as to cnn.com and instapundit.com.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 02:44 PM (tVTLU)

 

 

How about Drudge  vs. CNN.com?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (4df7R)

120 I think I read somewhere recently that CNN has under 200,000 viewers  at any time  throughout the day.

Posted by: Marmo at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (QW+AD)

121 CNN hemorrhaged an astonishing 29 percent of its total viewers. How many airports were closed?

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (FcR7P)

122 All of CNN's problems are caused by Fox. 

I don't mean just because they are stealing their viewers.  The fact is, once Fox showed up with it's admitted Right-bias, that freed CNN to become more Left.

I'm old enough to recall the days not too long ago where CNN was fairly down-the-middle.  Sure, they were as biased as all the other mainstream media outlets, but the CNN of Bernard Shaw, Frank Sesno, old-school Crossfire with the likes of Buchanan and Novak, etc. was a reliable news organization, nay, an essential one. 

Especially in foreign/national security affairs: when bad stuff happened, the first thing you turned on was CNN, because you knew they would be the first network on the story (no need to cut in from Days of our Lives) and they had the bureau presence to always have an expert person on the scene at that very moment, whether it was Mike Chinoy, Peter "Why yes, I'm a useful idiot" Arnett, or anyone else on their bench.

Alas, those days are gone.  Why?  Two words: Matt Drudge.  When bad shit goes down, there's no reason you need to go to CNN.  They were better at news than the big three networks because they were all news, but now are they not only not alone on cable (hell, with the money they've poured into CNN Headline News, they're not even alone *on their own network*), people have the internet now to satisfy their breaking news addiction. 

So, what remains?  Crossfire featuring two people who agree with each other?  Paul Krugman giving Fareed Zakaria moustache rides?  Eh, not essential anymore, guys.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (issUS)

123 I saw Rats on Crack open for the Butthole Surfers in '91 at The Summit.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (LSJmV)

124 The White House Big Block of Cheese Day.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew

Pull my finger ...

( chuckelsnifflesnortguffawgrin )

Posted by: Sherrif Joe Joe Biden [/i] [/b] at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (cxs6V)

125 113 Who was the woman that use to be on Fox mornings and moved to CNN? Giggly brunette. After E.D. Hill and before Gretchen Carlson I think. I cannot remember her name....Alzheimers sucks. Is she still on CNN? Keiran Chetry? Don't see her on CNN anymore. Whatever did happen to her?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)

126 And never forget: CNN made a name for itself, hit the big-time over their coverage of the First Gulf War.
Which was only made possible by a secret agreement with Saddam Hussein to NOT report anything negative about Saddam.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (VjL9S)

127 91 18 times the speed of light. Dear lord. Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 29, 2014 02:40 PM (waJ+2) ?????? Is there a breakthrough of some sort of which I have yet to hear?

Posted by: D-Lamp at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (bb5+k)

128 New York Times columnist and Nobel laureate economist Former Enron Economic Adviser Paul Krugman FIFY

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:45 AM (PYAXX)

129 117 Aside from The Five and Red Eye, FNC is mostly just background noise for me anymore.
Take away Gutfeld, and to me, all that's left are the babes.
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 02:44 PM (7ObY1)

Megyn Kelly

That is all.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:46 AM (ZALPg)

130 And what is the real rating once you factor out the airports that are forced to have it on? Does TiVO release numbers on which shows were watched and for how long? I think that's the real number we should pay attention to. Actual interactive numbers, not just passively sitting on one channel in a bar or a gym wall.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 29, 2014 10:46 AM (gtjN1)

131 “It’s a garbage story, it really is,” said Krugman in a back-and-forth with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on CNN after the State of the Union on Tuesday. FUCK YOU, ENRON BOY.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:46 AM (659DL)

132 It is true that Fox news has a partisan Republican and ideological conservative tilt. I think that's excusable.. ------------------------ Ace - I'm not sure that an inclination to a rational perspective should be called a 'tilt'. Conservatives have allowed the Left to dominate the stage, thus (even among ourselves) we accept terms like 'Right-leaning'. I believe that most conservatives are in fact 'centered' in the context of traditional American values and culture. We ought to promote that perspective, I think, that we are the ideology of the 'Not-crazy', as opposed to the being a collection of opposing crazies.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 10:46 AM (aDwsi)

133 So, what remains? Crossfire featuring two people who agree with each other? They should rename it Crossing Streams.

Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2014 10:47 AM (FcR7P)

134 Megyn Kelly Yeah, but she's on during the day while I'm busy busting my ass to support Obama's Free Shit Army. But when I do happen to be home during her show, me likey.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:47 AM (7ObY1)

135 Hmmm.  Ace, your blog turned my post into iambic pentameter again, man.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 29, 2014 10:47 AM (issUS)

136 I usually go to lunch late & alone & sit at the bar. The televisions at most are either on sports or CNN. If they removed all forced viewings of CNN they would have less ratings. CNN was live in Egypt in 2011, when the first uprising began. I had FNC on and they had a Bill O rerun at 11 and then I put CNN on and they were still live. I donÂ’t know if that would be the case now.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:47 AM (z4WKX)

137 Keiran Chetry? Don't see her on CNN anymore. Whatever did happen to her? Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 02:45 PM (7ObY1) Yeah, that's her! I never watch CNN so I don't know.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 29, 2014 10:47 AM (bCEmE)

138 If I could have one wish, it would be to live long enough to see Paul Krugman turned into Lord Humungous' bitch.

Posted by: --- at January 29, 2014 10:47 AM (MMC8r)

139 CNN's on-air cast is whiter than the contents of Sen. Robert Byrd's special closet.

Except for Fareed. He's the token brown guy with the exotic-sounding name.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 29, 2014 10:48 AM (8ZskC)

140 So apropos of the media and ratings:

Obama's 2013 STFU pulled 33 million viewers. That was not only the lowest rating for an STFU address in his Presidency, it was the lowest rating in fourteen years' time.

Last night's STFU pulled under 22 million viewers. I am still trying to find how long it has been since there were that few people tuning in. It may hypothetically be the worst rated STFU in modern history.

To put that in perspective, about twice as many people watched the STFU last night as watched "NCIS".

These numbers are not harbingers of renewed popularity. Welcome to the worst quagmire any President can enter: Lameduckistan, where Americans just quit listening and quit caring and hunker down for the next President to show up. Three more years of blather going unheard.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:48 AM (gqT4g)

141 Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 29, 2014 02:45 PM (issUS) Crossfire as a half-hour format doesn't make any sense either. Tying it to a single topic each show is even more moronic. As much as I like to see Newt work, it's an insufferable show.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 29, 2014 10:48 AM (GaqMa)

142 He was lively and playful tonight.

Posted by: chris matthews at January 29, 2014 10:48 AM (WCnJW)

143 Damn it Rush, he's not African American. If you call him that you give him the race card on a platter

Posted by: Avi at January 29, 2014 10:48 AM (Vxe+6)

144 Oh goody! More Gretchen's penis and Rove's vajayjay.

Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 29, 2014 10:48 AM (Cs2tJ)

145 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 02:47 PM (7ObY1) She has a prime time slot now.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 29, 2014 10:49 AM (GaqMa)

146

On the other hand, if they confessed that Fox has a pretty good point as far as implicit and explicit bias, and sought to eliminate that without taking the next step of adding in Fox's own implicit and explicit bias, they might have a product that people would actually like.But they won't. Their bias is too important to them.

 

SOMEONE has to.  How can they (not CNN, but the REST OF THE MEDIA WORLD) let Fox have the non-liberal news audience all to themselves? I challenged anyone to find a product in the history of US consumerism that sold SO WELL but attracted not one competing supplier. Not one.

 

This canÂ’t last. And frankly IÂ’d love an alternative to Fox. I appreciate that it is there but itÂ’s painful to think that so many viewers get their first and only representation of conservative thought from Sean Hannity.

 

 

 

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:49 AM (9KqcB)

147 How about Drudge vs. CNN.com? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 29, 2014 02:45 PM (4df7R)



Isn't Drudge at a billion (yes, with a b) uniques a year?


http://bit.ly/1hNSpMv

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at January 29, 2014 10:49 AM (Gk3SS)

148 >>Aside from The Five and Red Eye, FNC is mostly just background noise for me anymore. Take away Gutfeld, and to me, all that's left are the babes. Watching Juan Williams get abused on Special Report every so often is a hoot. I think that was one of the things that drove Hume into semi-retirement. When Williams would say something predictably stupid Hume would look at him as if he was something that got stuck to his shoe. Priceless.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 10:49 AM (g1DWB)

149 Megyn Kelly Yeah, but she's on during the day while I'm busy busting my ass to support Obama's Free Shit Army. But when I do happen to be home during her show, me likey. *** You must have been away for a while. She's had her own 9 pm show for a while now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 29, 2014 10:49 AM (DmNpO)

150 Yeah, that's her! I never watch CNN so I don't know. Lesson to be learned for FNC personalities...don't go to CNN or your career is dead. Just look at what happened to S.E. Cupp.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:50 AM (7ObY1)

151 70 on comparing CNN's viewers with uniques at this site: it's not even close; they are far larger. To get to that sort of comparison you'd have to look at the biggest blogs (hot air, instapundit) and the weakest shows. But that comparison would be deceptive, apples-to-oranges, as you'd be comparing the DAILY numbers for the blog versus the ratings for a particular show (which is one hour of ratings -- or maybe two, if they include the ratings for a later-at-night repeat). So no, there's really not a good comparison between TV and blogs, or, at least, not one that makes blogs look good and TV bad. There are one or two orders of magnitude in difference. Posted by: ace at January 29, 2014 02:37 PM (/FnUH) ********** Ya--I think people heap way too much responsibility on blogger's shoulders. Hell CAC is flogging himself--excessively. Not good--at all. I think you need to go all Pope like and give him a dispensation or something. (or however the hell that stuff works.)

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:50 AM (RJMhd)

152 Anyone want to see up my colon?

Posted by: Katie Couric at January 29, 2014 10:50 AM (8ZskC)

153 18 times the speed of light. Dear lord. Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 29, 2014 02:40 PM (waJ+2) ?????? Is there a breakthrough of some sort of which I have yet to hear? Unicorn farts.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2014 10:50 AM (lUXJH)

154 145 Damn it Rush, he's not African American. If you call him that you give him the race card on a platter Posted by: Avi at January 29, 2014 02:48 PM (Vxe+6) IMO.... he is neither African... nor American... He is a Quisling... or maybe a Changeling...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 29, 2014 10:50 AM (84gbM)

155 115 And Ace, you're thinking about it the wrong way. I don't know the raw numbers, but it is absolutely amazing that Instapundit beats ANY CNN show. Completely amazing, given TV's advantages that are inherent. CNN's marketing budget is what? What is Instapundit's? I would also be curious as to the comparison of unique hits is as to cnn.com and instapundit.com. Posted by: prescient11 I know Instapundit's stats (I have behind-the-scenes access), but I am not at liberty to reveal them. But I can say, in a general way, that yes, Insty beats many of CNN's shows.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:51 AM (+cx5n)

156 Hmmm. From new DCCC email: BUT -- we just got some bad news. Yesterday during a closed-door meeting, two of John BoehnerÂ’s most loyal congressional underlings forked over $1 million EACH to the Republican effort to keep their obstructionist majority. ThatÂ’s a huge problem for us and President ObamaÂ’s agenda. I wonder who they are.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 29, 2014 10:51 AM (DmNpO)

157 Perhaps when CNN carries positive slanted news articles about Chik-Fil-A, people will watch them.

You know, positive and uplifting articles about the goodness of people and corporations....

Like this

http://tinyurl.com/mzn7g8e


Or as AtC says, it's time to get a Hatey shake with a side order of fries of oppression.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 29, 2014 10:51 AM (kFCo1)

158 Topic of CNN reminds me...they helped produce a doc shown at Sundance, "Ivory Tower," about the decaying higher ed system. Got to see it.

Tons of liberal sucker punches in it, despite CNN's attempt to label themselves as "fair." A lady in the doc blames Reagan outright for lowering the amount of state aid given to universities, thus forcing them to rely on raising tuition, and there is no rebuttal to this. Basically paints him as hating higher ed and education on general. Jerry Brown did the same thing in his state, slashing state funding, yet the doc skim over that inconvenient truth and touts him as a beacon of light, trying to find solutions. They also show Lizzy Warren and try to paint her as a sane person crusading for reform. No quotes from current conservative politicians that I could see. Because conservatives hate education or something.

And I felt bad for the Cooper Union students until I saw the doc; they came across as entitled OWSers. I think CNN is going to try to make this doc the next Inconvenient Truth or Bully, we'll see. As a doc trying to start the conversation about what to do to fix higher ed I liked it, but man oh man it is NOT politically neutral.

Posted by: LizLem at January 29, 2014 10:51 AM (BF+2f)

159 Did anyone read the link at Drudge that Bachmann is going to bring up a bill about King Obama? She wants to sue him.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:51 AM (z4WKX)

160 ?????? Is there a breakthrough of some sort of which I have yet to hear? Posted by: D-Lamp at January 29, 2014 02:45 PM (bb5+k) See torquewrench's comment @64. Tgat's the CNN chiron (sp?) about the speed of the Columbia shuttle.

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 29, 2014 10:52 AM (waJ+2)

161 OT: I heard Steve Stockman walked out on Barack Schikelgruber. Good!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 29, 2014 10:52 AM (olDqf)

162 effort to keep their obstructionist majority.

Lulz. How dare the people exercise their will!

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 29, 2014 10:53 AM (RUvjp)

163 Damn it Rush, he's not African American. If you call him that you give him the race card on a platter Posted by: Avi at January 29, 2014 02:48 PM (Vxe+6) Assuming we're talking about TFG, why not simply call him what he is: a Half-white?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:53 AM (PYAXX)

164 http://tinyurl.com/n2cr5of Here is link to Bachmann bringing up bill about TFGÂ’s exclusion of Congress.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:53 AM (z4WKX)

165 Oh and CNN plans to air Ivory Tower on their channel, then put it in theaters. So about 5 people will see it on TV then? They would be better off showing it on The Blaze TV.

Posted by: LizLem at January 29, 2014 10:53 AM (BF+2f)

166 Here is link to Bachmann bringing up bill about TFGÂ’s exclusion of Congress. Didn't someone else already sue?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:54 AM (PYAXX)

167 Hey, bigger and bigger loses for CNN just means less money sloshing around for buying blo jobs for Obama and leftoids. Make them lose a ton more!

Posted by: Gerard Van der leun at January 29, 2014 10:54 AM (Z01bq)

168 I know Instapundit's stats (I have behind-the-scenes access), but I am not at liberty to reveal them. But I can say, in a general way, that yes, Insty beats many of CNN's shows. Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 02:51 PM (+cx5n) ********* Well I doubt Insty beats CNN in the-- "time at" metric. Wouldn't it be about thirty second hits?

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:54 AM (RJMhd)

169

But CNN is very nearly as biased to the left as MSNBC. CNN just uses the old model of media bias, one of implausible deniability.

 

It’s bias via commission vs. bias via omission. Fox slants right by design. CNN slants left by putting a bunch of Democrats in its newsroom – implementing no bias safeguards - and letting the bias flow naturally. That's how it works across the industry.

 

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:54 AM (9KqcB)

170 Lesson to be learned for FNC personalities...don't go to CNN or your career is dead. Just look at what happened to S.E. Cupp. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 02:50 PM (7ObY1) Wiki says she's 'not currently working as a journalist.'

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 29, 2014 10:54 AM (bCEmE)

171 Did anyone read the link at Drudge that Bachmann is going to bring up a bill about King Obama? She wants to sue him.

Obama got an HPV vaccination?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 29, 2014 10:55 AM (SY2Kh)

172 msnbc - progs cnn - LIVs fox - not progs based on my in depth analysis, I think we will do pretty good in 2014 and 2016

Posted by: thunderb at January 29, 2014 10:55 AM (zOTsN)

173 NVM- different "exclusion of Congress." Mrs. Bachmann- there's already a procedure to sue (though the correct word is "prosecute") the President when he exceeds his Constitutional Authority. It's called impeachment. Anything else is just kabuki- and not very convincing kabuki at that.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:55 AM (PYAXX)

174 25 Every single journalism student says the same damn thing. They want to be journalists to "make a difference". Perhaps someone should explain to them that they don't want to be journalists, they want to be propagandists. Posted by: Lauren at January 29, 2014 02:29 PM (hFL/3) That should be a question in an interview. Anyone who answers, "To make a difference" doesn't get hired.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 29, 2014 10:55 AM (oFCZn)

175 122 I think I read somewhere recently that CNN has under 200,000 viewers at any time throughout the day. Posted by: Marmo And I strongly suspect that it is the SAME 200,000 viewers, hour-after-hour. Very little turnover. In fact, about 100,000 of those constant viewers are TVS left on in airports and hospital waiting rooms, with no one watching at all.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:56 AM (+cx5n)

176 CNN's viewers got stupider watching CNN and then left for Fox. Maybe they'll go back after Fox smartens 'em up. But then again we may just be a vicious cycle for stupid to smart to stupid - just like elections.

Posted by: Greg Toombs at January 29, 2014 10:56 AM (sYWQB)

177 As an aside, is there anyone from the Clinton administration who didn't land a job at CNN?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 29, 2014 10:57 AM (SY2Kh)

178 Didn't someone else already sue? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 02:54 PM (PYAXX) Allen G, I donÂ’t know. Who would have brought up bill to reign him in? Bachmann doesnÂ’t care because sheÂ’s not running for reelection. SheÂ’s not afraid of being called a racist just because she doesnÂ’t agree with him.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:57 AM (z4WKX)

179 Eighteen times the speed of light! Damn..., next to my Olds, that may be the fastest thing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 10:57 AM (aDwsi)

180

Did anyone read the link at Drudge that Bachmann is going to bring up a bill about King Obama? She wants to sue him.

 

Then it becomes all about Bachmann. IsnÂ’t she supposed to be leaving? Leave already.

 

 

 

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:57 AM (9KqcB)

181 Oh goody! More Gretchen's penis and Rove's vajayjay.


Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 29, 2014 10:57 AM (Cs2tJ)

182

Simply being MSNBC's Somewhat-Better-Behaved-Big-Brother is not sufficiently unique.

 

Nutshell.

Posted by: mark x at January 29, 2014 10:57 AM (OBioD)

183 And I strongly suspect that it is the SAME 200,000 viewers, hour-after-hour. Very little turnover. In fact, about 100,000 of those constant viewers are TVS left on in airports and hospital waiting rooms, with no one watching at all. Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 02:56 PM (+cx5n) ******** All so they'll notice the brain washing less. It's now part of the environment. B.F. Skinnerville.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:58 AM (RJMhd)

184 "I appreciate that it is there but itÂ’s painful to think that so many viewers get their first and only representation of conservative thought from Sean Hannity."

Ouch.

Or from the alternately bullying and unctuous Bill O'Really.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:58 AM (gqT4g)

185 A lady in the doc blames Reagan outright for lowering the amount of state aid given to universities, thus forcing them to rely on raising tuition, and there is no rebuttal to this. “You’re right, government screws up education. It should just get out of education completely and let educators manage it.”

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 29, 2014 10:58 AM (QF8uk)

186

CNN and MSNBC walk into a bar and try to order a drink  but  the bartender doesn't  see them. 

 

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 10:59 AM (m2CN7)

187 Assuming we're talking about TFG, why not simply call him what he is: a Half-white? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 02:53 Or just spot

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 29, 2014 10:59 AM (R8hU8)

188 As an aside, is there anyone from the Clinton administration who didn't land a job at CNN? Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 29, 2014 02:57 PM (SY2Kh) That's why it's the Clinton News Network. Thank you, thank you. Try the veal.

Posted by: Mainah at January 29, 2014 10:59 AM (659DL)

189 I became a Fox fan after watching E. D. Hill's first day as a morning anchor (I'm pretty sure it was the first day, a while back).  The opening was a  loooonnnnnggg and slow right-left camera pan at ankle-level.  Hill was seated at a table-style desk, which was open front and back.  The second camera finally settled on a face-torso focus and the first words out of E. D. Hill's mouth were "Nice leg shot."

Awesome.

Posted by: mrp at January 29, 2014 11:00 AM (JBggj)

190 169 Well I doubt Insty beats CNN in the-- "time at" metric. Wouldn't it be about thirty second hits? Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew Yer gettin' all technical on me here. Don't know enough of the specifics down to THAT level of detail, but then we can get into the "how effective/influential is the time spent?" One minute of seeing REALITY slap you in the face will affect your perceptions more than sitting in a chair for 60 minutes watching two people repeat the same lies over and over and over 60 times. So, the "number-of-seconds" metric may not be as important as the simply "popping in briefly to gather data" metric.

Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 11:01 AM (+cx5n)

191 Hi kids. That's good news for fox but am I alone in noticing the liberal jog they have been taking since, well since Glenn Beck left.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 29, 2014 11:01 AM (JFUyc)

192

They want to be journalists to "make a difference".  Perhaps someone should explain to them that they don't want to be journalists, they want to be propagandists.

 

As a former journalism major, I can tell you they are just repeating what they are conditioned to say. “Comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable” is the pithy mantra. Of course, the second you judge who is “afflicted” and who is “comfortable” youÂ’ve exited actual journalism into something else.  

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:01 AM (9KqcB)

193 Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 29, 2014 02:58 PM (QF8uk) sometime back the Chronicle of higher education (of all places!) had a quote where an administrator said they feared not raising tuition because their aid would be lowered if they didn't show huge gaps between "expected tuition" and "estimated family contribution." (The federal number calc'd on the FASFA.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 29, 2014 11:02 AM (GaqMa)

194 Okay, which one of you morons is responsible for this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/pxh5ydf

Posted by: joncelli at January 29, 2014 11:02 AM (RD7QR)

195 The only people that didnÂ’t get jobs in TFGÂ’s admin from Clinton WH seem to have landed at CNN.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:02 AM (z4WKX)

196 Fox needs to get rid  of  Shep Smith .  Not because  he is an obvious  left leaning news reader but that he sucks harder than a Hoover convention. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:02 AM (m2CN7)

197 Guess CNN had better start airing some prison shows.

Posted by: wth at January 29, 2014 11:03 AM (wAQA5)

198 Yer gettin' all technical on me here. Don't know enough of the specifics down to THAT level of detail, but then we can get into the "how effective/influential is the time spent?" One minute of seeing REALITY slap you in the face will affect your perceptions more than sitting in a chair for 60 minutes watching two people repeat the same lies over and over and over 60 times. So, the "number-of-seconds" metric may not be as important as the simply "popping in briefly to gather data" metric. Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 03:01 PM (+cx5n) ************ True. Still a lot of blog hits are coming from dudes in China looking for pron. At least that's true for Althouse.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 11:03 AM (RJMhd)

199 why does it not occur to them that the Universities, bloated with government loan money, are responsible for the explosion of tuition? like offering the stupidest least productive classes possible like bloated salaries and benefits like the perpetual feeding of pet projects with no regard to the bottom line (lets make the campus alllllll greeeeeennnnn, sustainability wheeeeeee) perqs and trips and conferences and boondoggles pet projects and politically scripted "research" advocacy and gay/bi/tri/trans everything everything everything but education

Posted by: thunderb at January 29, 2014 11:03 AM (zOTsN)

200 Lesson to be learned for FNC personalities...don't go to CNN or your career is dead. Just look at what happened to S.E. Cupp.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 02:50 PM (7ObY1)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

Who is a good example of the lesson that  more money doesn't necessarily mean a better job.  I made that mistake once.  Never again.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2014 11:04 AM (XrYtg)

201 A non biased 24 hour news network is impossible, it simply won't happen. You'll eventually stray one way or the other.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 29, 2014 11:04 AM (WdbF7)

202 "google "search hits I should say. And probably not from China--just the dairy states. Mr. Moo Moo par example.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 11:04 AM (RJMhd)

203 And let's face it: The babes on FOX outclass those on all the other news networks.

Posted by: logprof at January 29, 2014 02:27 PM (X3GkB)



That's by design per an interview with Ailes in which he said that if a person goes up to a wall of television screens all tuned to difference networks, he wants the attention to go immediately to Fox.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 29, 2014 11:04 AM (7FFZz)

204  Guess CNN had better start airing some prison shows.

Posted by: wth at January 29, 2014 03:03 PM (wAQA5)

 

Hah!   I admit I'm addicted to Lockup and Lockup Raw.   They need some  new ones though. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:04 AM (m2CN7)

205 One minute of seeing REALITY slap you in the face will affect your perceptions more than sitting in a chair for 60 minutes watching two people repeat the same lies over and over and over 60 times. ------------- Does this relate to the link at 194?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 11:05 AM (aDwsi)

206

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 02:58 PM (gqT4g)

 

And I'm not really judging  Hannity  or O'Reilly per se. It's just that they not likely to win converts to nonliberal  ways of thinking, and that is all I care about anymore.

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:05 AM (9KqcB)

207 in CNNs defense do you know how difficult it is to find attractive prog on air talent when Andrea Mitchell and Helen Thomas are the standard

Posted by: thunderb at January 29, 2014 11:06 AM (zOTsN)

208 It's called impeachment. Anything else is just kabuki- and not very convincing kabuki at that. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 02:55 PM (PYAXX) Allen G. Bachmann canÂ’t do that because Boehner would stomp all over her!

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:06 AM (z4WKX)

209 191 Hi kids. That's good news for fox but am I alone in noticing the liberal jog they have been taking since, well since Glenn Beck left. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 29, 2014 03:01 PM (JFUyc) I noticed that too. I think it has to do with a few things. They're in New York City and the people who work behind the scenes (writers, producers, etc.) work at the most watched new network by a mile but when they go out for drinks after work their industry peers just roll their eyes and say "oh you work for fox". An MSM drone at fox is education and credential wise no different than MSNBC or CNN or ABC, they just have Ailes making sure the on air stuff tracks more center.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (HEa5q)

210 I'm kinda just unable to grasp that people watch any television for news.

I can go to a few websites and skim more headlines in 10 minutes than CNN/CNNHN/Fox/ et al., etc. cover in a day.

And if there is any that interest me, another ten minutes and I've read the article with more in-depth, more detail than any network could possibly do in the 10 minute segment, repeated verbatim hour on hour.

So, I don't get this: "I know what's going on, I watch XYZ." No, you've a 10,000 foot flyby at Mach 2.

And the commentary?

Seriously?

You want to watch someone you don't like who knows about as much as you do about the issue give their opinion while you talk pointlessly to the screen?

Nah, I'd rather hang around here and listen to you morons. More cursing, better insults.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (VjL9S)

211 FOX really should be much higher, but for the major campaign from the left to slander them as "FAUX News". Obama participates in that, as well as the big boy networks that want no competition. And many think, "well conservatives have their channel" ... but FOX really is more balanced, and is puny compared to the MFM monster, the government union attack dogs, the Hollywood conglomerate, etc.

Posted by: Illini Bill at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (9q3r5)

212 Brooke Baldwin makes me feel funny in the pants. Otherwise, CNN is awful.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (YmPwQ)

213 do you know how difficult it is to find attractive prog on air talent when Andrea Mitchell and Helen Thomas are the standard Posted by: thunderb at January 29, 2014 03:06 PM (zOTsN) lol. Don't know whether she is a prog or not, but Robin Meade?

Posted by: Mainah at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (659DL)

214 A lady in the doc blames Reagan outright for lowering the amount of state aid given to universities, thus forcing them to rely on raising tuition, and there is no rebuttal to this. I've heard that when diamonds first began being sold in jewelry, they weren't really that much in demand. As such, they didn't fetch a very high price. Even once people started demanding them... well, they're actually fairly common, once you know where to look, so their price didn't go up much. Then two things happened- a very few families took over the diamond industry AND people began desiring them more (much of this is laid at the feet of 'the Diamond Cartel' as well). Now diamonds are among the most precious of "precious stones." Now, whether that particular story is true or not, we know that something very similar to that DID happen with college. Very close together, a college education became much more in demand AND the availability of a college education decreased (Jr. colleges began to be looked down upon, for instance, trade schools were right out). The way to reduce the cost of a college degree is to address both of these issues. First: not everyone needs to go to college. Even most professional careers don't really demand a college education. Let's start admitting that. Second: it should be easier to provide the correct education- accreditation should be easier, and we should pay more attention to what the degree actually focuses on, than the number of years you went to school to attain said degree.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (PYAXX)

215 Hah! I admit I'm addicted to Lockup and Lockup Raw. They need some new ones though. Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 03:04 PM (m2CN7) They used to show some true crime documentaries and I'll admit I liked watching them. Don't know if they do that anymore.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (oFCZn)

216 Trying to be helpful in the effort to get Ace laid, I posted a link to video of a hot Columbian girl coming down to breakfast in a skimpy outfit and refusing to eat bacon on the previous thread. That in itself would normally bring reams of off-color comments from both male and female morons, but there was nothing. Who are you people and what have you done to the regular commenters?

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (u2a4R)

217 everything everything but education It seems they just love to offer degrees in obscure fields that only have a handful of employees, but they sound oh-so-socially-conscious. Do kollidges not do any type of job-market research?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 11:07 AM (0HooB)

218 Very perceptive comments on CNN's current and future problem. I would actually be one of those who would watch the thing IF it actually tried to be a REAL news channel. You know the type that concentrated on NEWS. There's LOTS of news out there. All you have to do is report on it and for CNN that should be easy-peasy as it already has a World network of sources and talking heads. But as you say, to do that little thing you have to do nothing but report the news as it is. To take a small example, there would be LOTS of news that could be broadcast on the ME situation. but to do that would require not ignoring the Palestinian dysfunctions and implying that Israel was the side that had to 'give'. Just tell people what is happening and provide some context for the events by examining the societies there. CNN can't get there from here. They both don't know how and don't at heart really want to. As you rightfully described. So eventually it will die in the US as it appeals to fewer and fewer people of any persuasion.

Posted by: Dougf at January 29, 2014 11:08 AM (U3Bbd)

219

Hah! I admit I'm addicted to Lockup and Lockup Raw. They need some new ones though.

 

ItÂ’s fascinating but I can only take it in doses. You donÂ’t want to stay in that dark world too long. No tears, but itÂ’s just soul-crushing. And thatÂ’s just  the  stuff they show on TV.

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:08 AM (9KqcB)

220 n administrator said they feared not raising tuition because their aid would be lowered if they didn't show huge gaps between "expected tuition" and "estimated family contribution. Sweet Jesus on a pogo stick.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 29, 2014 11:08 AM (QF8uk)

221 I WISH that Fox was as conservative as it's detractors claim. They do their fair share of covering for the SCOAMF. But the fact that Fox is the only network that will mention Benghazi at all is enough to earn the undying hatred of the leftards.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at January 29, 2014 11:09 AM (YmPwQ)

222 "CNN would like to position itself as the smart, fact-based, probing news alternative to more demanding news consumers.
But they don't actually do the work necessary to be that."
That's it, that and the fact that if you pack a business with like-thinking radicals, their work is going to reflect this knee jerk view of things without even stopping to consider its wrong or confused. When you drum out every voice that says "uh wait a minute..." all you get is junk.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 29, 2014 11:09 AM (zfY+H)

223 Hi kids. That's good news for fox but am I alone in noticing the liberal jog they have been taking since, well since Glenn Beck left.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 29, 2014 03:01 PM (JFUyc)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Once they cross that  misty line of leftism, then  many in their audience will seek out other news streams, i.e., the intertubes, and then FNC will suffer the fate of CNN.

 

It's one of the reasons that I think  The Blaze has a good future.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2014 11:10 AM (XrYtg)

224 Or just spot Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 29, 2014 02:59 PM (R8hU ThatÂ’s a good one, Velvet Ambition.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:10 AM (z4WKX)

225 Bachmann canÂ’t do that because Boehner would stomp all over her! She *could.* She *won't.* Two different things. But the point is that the Courts will (if history repeats) just throw out her case saying "we don't get involved in procedural issues."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:10 AM (PYAXX)

226 They used to show some true crime documentaries and I'll admit I liked watching them. Don't know if they do that anymore.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 29, 2014 03:07 PM (oFCZn)

 

Yes those were good too.  Gave you both sides of the crime from the beginning through the trial.   Now I think Dateline does them or maybe MSNBC just reaired the  Dateline  pieces.    

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:10 AM (m2CN7)

227

Posted by: thunderb at January 29, 2014 03:03 PM (zOTsN)

The doc did a good job of showing the bloated overhead in education, how administrators get paid exponentially more than they should. It brought up the idea of party schools and the idea of coddling/courting students with fancy perks and expensive construction that does not tie into the education of those students might be foolish. It didn't cover the silly lib stuff on campuses but it did have some very cogent points. Like I said, thought provoking doc, just wish it had been unbiased.

And yes, it does NOT cover, to my knowledge, the idiocy of federalizing all student loans. Cannot talk about THAT.

Posted by: LizLem at January 29, 2014 11:10 AM (BF+2f)

228

Speaking of biasÂ….

 

Anyone see PBS Frontline: Secret State of North Korea?

 

I watched it, then checked the transcript of the show: In 5,888 words, not one was “communist” or “communism.”

 

Feel free to check my homework. http://to.pbs.org/1fnANaJ

 

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:12 AM (9KqcB)

229 It is true that Fox news has a partisan Republican and ideological conservative tilt.

Fox skews Republican, but it skews RINO, not conservative.  There is no conservative news network.

Posted by: Just A Guy at January 29, 2014 11:12 AM (CGzAz)

230 And never forget: CNN made a name for itself, hit the big-time over their coverage of the First Gulf War. Which was only made possible by a secret agreement with Saddam Hussein to NOT report anything negative about Saddam. Posted by: RoyalOil Indeed. And posting 'reports' that the US military was assassinating international 'journalists' while Arnett was embedded in the Ministry of Propaganda. Stringers were used from active Iraqi rifle squads. And in the end Eason came out and proudly said that although they lied and covered up the truth for ten years, they kept their Baghdad bureau open reporting....what exactly? They are a joke. They troll for the 'other' side openly. they are seriously probably losing market share to Al Jazeera.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:12 AM (qwxCu)

231 Shaka, when the ratings fell...

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 29, 2014 11:13 AM (V4CBV)

232 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 03:07 PM (PYAXX) I'd add that if you remove the Feds from the college loan business and allow people to default on them the prices of college would come way down. $75k for a degree in a field that at best makes $25k a year is a loser of a loan for all those involved. The only people who profit from the current system are the schools themselves.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 29, 2014 11:13 AM (HEa5q)

233 Some of MSNBC's ratings have to be viewers who just like a good train wreck.

Posted by: RWC at January 29, 2014 11:14 AM (fWAjv)

234 Fox news alert: Dow down 200+ pts

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 29, 2014 11:14 AM (DmNpO)

235 >>But the point is that the Courts will (if history repeats) just throw out her case saying "we don't get involved in procedural issues." Pretty much the same thing the Senate would do if the House ever brought charges against Obama.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 11:15 AM (g1DWB)

236 Dow down 200+ pts -------- Just the weather.

Posted by: Barky at January 29, 2014 11:15 AM (Aif/5)

237 IÂ’m trying to listen to CatoÂ’s SOTU analysis but having a hard time because they play clips of TFG. I wish I could just read it.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:15 AM (z4WKX)

238

When did Katie Couric's career really start tanking??  When they put her behind a desk and you couldn't see her legs anymore.

 

My "partner" hates when I point this out.  FNC has brilliant female personalities, but folks, sex sells and keeps people watching.  And not just really sex but classy portraits of broads.

 

Why do you think "Dancing with the Stars" is so highly rated??  The chicks dig the dancing and the guys enjoy watching broads that are pretty much almost naked lift their legs high into the air.

 

The formula is not that difficult...

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 11:16 AM (tVTLU)

239 Just the weather. Posted by: Barky at January 29, 2014 03:15 PM (Aif/5) *** Bush did it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 29, 2014 11:16 AM (DmNpO)

240 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 02:26 PM

Costello is why I put CNN on parental block in my office. Don't want to see her even accidentally or if someone else tries to change the channel.

Posted by: Lester at January 29, 2014 11:16 AM (2UPXV)

241

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 03:08 PM (9KqcB)

 

Don't disagree but I find it  interesting the difference between prisons depending what  State you are in .   The differing degrees of punishment vs rehabilitation  and also the living conditions / technology involved.    Not funny though are that  the  inmates / convicts  all have the same flawed personalities that put behind bars  in  the first place.   Also it  seems  CA  is the state that  has the most self segregated inmate population.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:17 AM (m2CN7)

242 Pretty much the same thing the Senate would do if the House ever brought charges against Obama. Nope. If the House Impeaches, the Senate *must* Try. Now, it would all be kabuki and a foregone conclusion- but at least it might wake some people up. But that doesn't really matter- because most in the House are all about "Showing How Upset They Are" without actually doing anything about being upset.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:17 AM (PYAXX)

243

"...90% less poop talk."

 

Yeah we need to step that up a bit, because you know, sex sells.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 29, 2014 11:17 AM (wAQA5)

244 CNN's on-air cast is whiter than the contents of Sen. Robert Byrd's special closet. Except for Fareed. He's the token brown guy with the exotic-sounding name. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 29, 2014 02:48 PM (8ZskC) What happened to Amanpor? I think that is her last name. IÂ’m sure I misspelled it but I donÂ’t care enough to look her up.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:17 AM (z4WKX)

245 Faux News is just Reich-wing hate paid for by the Koch brothers and read on-air by a collection of unrealistic blond bimbos.

Oh, and the brave homosexual pioneer Shepherd Smith, who proves not everyone from the South is a hopeless inbred racist.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 29, 2014 11:18 AM (3Z9LX)

246 Don't forget that CNN and now MSNBC's ratings are greatly inflated since they are the choice of airport waiting lounges, coffee houses and other public places. In fact, as of late there have been a lot more places switching to MSNBC- at least that's my experience.

So are those really "ratings"?

Meh, I don't know how that stuff is calculated. But if this  is a factor, people actually watching as opposed to people who willfully watch is quite different thing.

And it's "Faux News" according to the lefties. Ya know, because apparently their god-king is the standard bearer for truth or something...

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2014 11:18 AM (GGCsk)

247 "What happened to Amanpor? I think that is her last name. IÂ’m sure I misspelled it but I donÂ’t care enough to look her up." scrunt went to Al Jeezera America.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 29, 2014 11:19 AM (HEa5q)

248 >>Nope. If the House Impeaches, the Senate *must* Try. >>Now, it would all be kabuki and a foregone conclusion- but at least it might wake some people up. Thats exactly what I meant. What high crimes and misdemeanors do you think the House could bring that would wake some people up rather than turn Obama into a sympathetic victim a la Bubba?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 11:20 AM (g1DWB)

249

I kinda feel like we've had this discussion around here before.

 

What I really think we need to  talk about, and if it's been mentioned elsewhere, forgive  me,  is the fact that Archer is sucking eggs  this season.

 

What  happened?  How do you get this  unfunny in such a short period of time?

 

New  writers? 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2014 11:20 AM (TOk1P)

250 What happened to Amanpour? I think she went jihadi. She's burning churches in Cairo.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:20 AM (B5+l+)

251 What happened to Amanpor? I think that is her last name. IÂ’m sure I misspelled it but I donÂ’t care enough to look her up. -------- Chief international correspondent. And I love me some muzzie terrorists.

Posted by: Christine Amanpour at January 29, 2014 11:20 AM (Aif/5)

252 Quick - what has 2146 eyes?

Posted by: RWC at January 29, 2014 11:21 AM (fWAjv)

253

BurtTC:

 

Yes, what the fuck is up with that???  I actually missed Monday's show and didn't realize it until Tue.  I never would have done so in years prior.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 11:21 AM (tVTLU)

254 Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.

Posted by: Christine Amanpour at January 29, 2014 11:21 AM (Aif/5)

255 What high crimes and misdemeanors do you think the House could bring that would wake some people up rather than turn Obama into a sympathetic victim a la Bubba? How about "Gross violations of Constitutional Authority?" Though, personally, I prefer "Responsible for an Act of War against an allied nation- said Act of War also resulting in deaths of United States civilians."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:21 AM (PYAXX)

256 >>"What happened to Amanpor? I think that is her last name. IÂ’m sure I misspelled it but I donÂ’t care enough to look her up." <<

I am pretty sure she was one of the Russia suicide bombers, the so-called black-widows. Apparently someone told her it would be the ultimate ratings stunt.

But you may want to check that out with CNN or MSNBC to find the truth.. It could just be internet rumor.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2014 11:22 AM (GGCsk)

257 "Trying to be helpful in the effort to get Ace laid, I posted a link to video of a hot Columbian girl coming down to breakfast in a skimpy outfit and refusing to eat bacon on the previous thread."

Doesn't like bacon? Deal breaker.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 11:22 AM (gqT4g)

258 Hi kids. That's good news for fox but am I alone in noticing the liberal jog they have been taking since, well since Glenn Beck left. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 29, 2014 03:01 PM (JFUyc) OSP, No you are not alone. They started doing it at least during the run up to the 2012 election, some time in 2011 is when I noticed it. ThatÂ’s why I usually keep my television off, as compared to a few years ago, I would have FNC on in the background. Now they have too many hosts and or permanent guests that I canÂ’t stand. Huck, Geraldo, Shep Smith, Juan Williams, Karl Rove & others, a view or sound from one of them makes turn it off.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:22 AM (z4WKX)

259 Faux News is just Reich-wing hate paid for by the Koch brothers and read on-air by a collection of unrealistic blond bimbos.

Oh, and the brave homosexual pioneer Shepherd Smith, who proves not everyone from the South is a hopeless inbred racist.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 29, 2014 03:18 PM (3Z9LX)

 

 

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LOL!   That hit my funny-bone.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2014 11:22 AM (XrYtg)

260 Jwest:  please repost.  lol

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 11:22 AM (tVTLU)

261 Dow Jones down : just noise, fraction of a percent. Not a trend, no hockey stick or ski hill.

No need to panic, nothing more then a markets at work. If it were a fire sale, buildings would be burning.

Posted by: A. Rat (trying to make a difference) at January 29, 2014 11:22 AM (8nhHB)

262

253 -

 

You didn't miss much.  About 18 minutes of Pam crying, 3 minutes of Woodhouse being neglected, and maybe a minute's  worth  of "action." 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2014 11:23 AM (TOk1P)

263 Doesn't like bacon? Deal breaker. Perhaps the pointed elbows make up for it. http://tinyurl.com/n5nnfkv

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2014 11:23 AM (u2a4R)

264 >>How about "Gross violations of Constitutional Authority?"<<

Is being a consistently lying little bitch a misdemeanor at least?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2014 11:23 AM (GGCsk)

265 New writers?

Nope, same guy who did the good seasons.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 29, 2014 11:24 AM (RUvjp)

266 Also it seems CA is the state that has the most self segregated inmate population.

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 03:17 PM (m2CN7)

 

That might be smart. At least for palefaces  like me. I remember the 2004  Human RightsWatch report on prison rape.  Summary: Prisoners said  the unspoken rule was blacks only rape blacks, Hispanics only rape Hispanics, and EVERYONE rapes the white guys. Because the common perception was 'they had it coming' due to society's racism. 

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:24 AM (9KqcB)

267 Dammit. Word count counted every 'I' in the speech. How sad is it that I thought it was plausible for TFG to refer to himself that many times.

Posted by: RWC at January 29, 2014 11:24 AM (fWAjv)

268 What happened? How do you get this unfunny in such a short period of time? New writers? Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2014 03:20 PM (TOk1P)

I think I read somewhere the writers got bored of the spy stuff, so they were going to go in a different direction? TV malaise is a killer, better to go out on a high if they are just tired of doing it. But it is probably an easy paycheck, kaching.

Posted by: LizLem at January 29, 2014 11:24 AM (BF+2f)

269 Balancing bias is a damned tricky thing. Fifty or so years ago, print and (what was left of) commentary radio was dominated by middle of the road CoC viewpoints, the breeding ground of the Rockefeller Republicans. "Underground" papers and radio were, from a bias-balance POV, right to oppose them. The memory of Father Coughlin (for some reason, thought of as right-wing) and McCormick of the Tribune was still fresh. Readers Digest was a major power.

And they are still parked right there.  "The greatest mind of the 14th century" has been dead since 1955, and they're still flailing. The only thing that's changed in the NPR mindset in 40 years is that Israel made it uncool to be Jewish. All the kibbutz folksongs vanished overnight. The Weavers' songbook was decimated.

In the past, after you had earned your chops as a reporter and page editor, you might eventually be entitled to a public point of view if you got to be an editor-in-chief or publisher. Suddenly, every gumshoed beat man had to be Somebody.
I was a high school journalism major, and the newspaper editor. When I began to read at college bulletins (what you did in 1969 before there were "campus visits") and found that the Schools of Jounalism had all been renamed to Schools of Journalism and Public Relations, it struck me that The Man was running that show, and I got the hell out of that business as fast as I could motate.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 29, 2014 11:24 AM (xq1UY)

270 What I really think we need to talk about, and if it's been mentioned elsewhere, forgive me, is the fact that Archer is sucking eggs this season. What happened? How do you get this unfunny in such a short period of time? New writers? Posted by: BurtTC I think the writers all stopped taking drugs. Sure is suddenly boring. But be that as it may, of more concern is whether THIS season or the NEXT is the last one for Justified.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:24 AM (5eXw4)

271 What high crimes and misdemeanors do you think the House could bring that would wake some people up rather than turn Obama into a sympathetic victim a la Bubba? How about "Gross violations of Constitutional Authority?" Though, personally, I prefer "Responsible for an Act of War against an allied nation- said Act of War also resulting in deaths of United States civilians." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 03:21 PM (PYAXX) Allen G, thatÂ’s the best example, Libya. Who has the balls to do it?

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:25 AM (z4WKX)

272

262.

 

Sigh, I still need to buy last year's season.  I have to say that some of my favorite shows really fucking tank at about the fourth season, BSG, Archer, etc.  Only ones that didn't were Breaking Bad and Trailer Park Boys.  Those two stand out on an island for the "drama" and "comedy" categories.

 

HANDS DOWN!!

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 11:25 AM (tVTLU)

273 But they won't. Their bias is too important to them. People don't go into the news business to make profits or report, neutrally, on the news. They go into the news business specifically to change minds, and specifically they want to change the minds of conservatives and independents towards the progressive viewpoint. Journos complain that Ailes has too direct a hand in the day-to-day running of FNC, but he found the same thing. It's tough to keep the "straight news" crew from veering left all the time.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2014 11:25 AM (T0NGe)

274 Why do you think "Dancing with the Stars" is so highly rated?? The chicks dig the dancing and the guys enjoy watching broads that are pretty much almost naked lift their legs high into the air. The formula is not that difficult... Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 03:16 PM (tVTLU) Hmmm. How about me in a kilt?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (oFCZn)

275 Notice that the conservative news network makes money hand over fist. Yet there are no copycats. They love their bias more than money.

Posted by: Ernst blofeld at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (MON4G)

276 I look great in a short skirt. Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 29, 2014 02:44 PM (MMC8r) No asshole, that was your mother.

Posted by: Monica at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (0FSuD)

277 Allen G, thatÂ’s the best example, Libya. I was going with Fast & Furious. But Libya, too, I suppose.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (PYAXX)

278 "Also it seems CA is the state that has the most self segregated inmate population."

There was a fascinating piece written by a guy who was a Jew behind bars.

Where everything comes down to which prison gang you belong to, and you HAVE to belong to one for your own protection when inside. This gets down to minutiae such as what table you can safely sit at to eat.

Except there aren't any Jewish prison gangs for guys like this to join.

He ended up eating at the skinheads' table, but only after they left, in return for helping them write appellate briefs and the like.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (gqT4g)

279 Because the economy is going swimmingly...

@kausmickey

MT @ThePlumLineGS: Paul Ryan tells @chucktodd he supports undocumented working before border triggers met:


Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (cxs6V)

280

I saw Big Block of Cheese open for String Cheese Incident at the Mars Chees Catler in Kenosha,WI    great place

 

Posted by: Axl Rose at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (iWo0u)

281 serious u guys question: Who believes in Climate Change Warming Whatever more, You or a Leftist?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2014 11:26 AM (MiLnO)

282

270 -

 

I thought they said one more after this one!  I'm liking this season so far, and am really curious  how this thing is going to turn out with Art looking into the shooting at the end of last season. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2014 11:27 AM (TOk1P)

283 I liked the first ep of Archer. What really sucked was Chozen. Fat, white, gay rapper is a funny SNL skit premise. Not so funny for a full show.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:27 AM (ZPrif)

284

Cheese Castle       sheez

 

Posted by: Axl Rose at January 29, 2014 11:27 AM (iWo0u)

285 Beautiful women come in all colors. I never liked fake blondes.I wish they didn't have so many on Fox

Posted by: Avi at January 29, 2014 11:28 AM (w7chy)

286

Jwest:

 

Any time your American girl starts giving you shit, show them a picture of paola and say there are millions of such broads just dying to come over and be your wife.

 

Fantastic!!

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 11:28 AM (tVTLU)

287 I want BlazeTV on the air just to keep FoxNews tilting to the right. For FoxNews to grow they are gonna be tempted to veer to the center -- ie Left. And Action Shemp is already a left-winger.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:28 AM (ZPrif)

288 248 ----What high crimes and misdemeanors do you think the House could bring that would wake some people up rather than turn Obama into a sympathetic victim a la Bubba? Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 03:20 PM (g1DWB) ------------------------------------------- If we had him on tape raping a 3 year old child and shouting racist epithets,...... No wait. That doesn't even count as "moral turpitude" these days. The answer is that there is NOTHING our Historic First preezy could be charged with that would make the MSM turn on him. You can't impeach a POTUS without the media on your side.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 29, 2014 11:28 AM (dfYL9)

289 So how much play will Chick fil la get for giving all their food away in Al? http://tinyurl.com/me4zmry

Posted by: Monica at January 29, 2014 11:29 AM (0FSuD)

290 >>How about "Gross violations of Constitutional Authority?" >>Though, personally, I prefer "Responsible for an Act of War against an allied nation- said Act of War also resulting in deaths of United States civilians." Love to see Obama gone as much as anyone but I don't think either of those issues would get a lick of traction with the public. In fact I think it would have the opposite of affect. Hell, Clinton was obviously guilty, he was sanctioned by the courts for perjury, and his popularity went up not down.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 11:29 AM (g1DWB)

291 episode 1 of chozen had me laughing episode 2 i made if half way through and turned off.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 29, 2014 11:29 AM (HEa5q)

292
Who fucking cares?

As borne out by the last election, the majority of voters don't watch Fox.

And this has *NOTHING* to do with profit v loss. One of the most highly esteemed lib rags (The Nation?, IIRC) hasn't posted a profit since 1944. The left has more $$$ (and other resources) to spread their propaganda way more heavily than conservatives.

This is like us celebrating because our high school debate club has more moms watch them than the football team. While the football team gets the best parking spaces, all of the money, free food and screws all of the hot babes at school.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 29, 2014 11:29 AM (tOkJB)

293 The only people who profit from the current system are the schools and professors themselves. Posted by: Vote Lord FIFY

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 11:30 AM (aDwsi)

294 Though, personally, I prefer "Responsible for an Act of War against an allied nation- said Act of War also resulting in deaths of United States civilians." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. I agree and there would be bonus points because by law State had to sign off.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:30 AM (TRLjI)

295
Come on Fox, twist the knife, get the airport contracts.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 29, 2014 11:30 AM (n0DEs)

296 If this isn’t an action worthy of impeachment, it should be. Announcing surge of troops in Afghanistan, what was it 30,000 and at the same time announcing the date that they would be withdrawn. What was the point? He had no intention of winning the war, the “right” war he used to call it when he was running for POTUS. Instead if we could get our hands on the statistics, more of our troops were probably killed during that surge. Sending troops to die, intentionally, should be a crime.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:30 AM (z4WKX)

297 Chozen is awful!!!  It's like a reality show of a Jerry Springer guest.  Who could handle watching such garbage.  It's really not funny.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 11:31 AM (tVTLU)

298 The blonde thing is mostly about aging newsbabes trying to look younger. Must be some TV industry data on blondes and ratings. I prefer brunettes but it's done so much they must have data to back them up. It's like newsdudes and hairplugs. They all do it cause they must have data on baldness and viewership.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:31 AM (ZPrif)

299 Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 29, 2014 03:26 PM (cxs6V) Dang. My desk just broke. And I think I have a concussion.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:31 AM (PYAXX)

300 They all want to "comfort the afflicted and afflict to comfortable."

Except they have no clue who is comfortable vs. afflicted, or that it isn't their damn job to pick winners and losers, victims and enemies.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 29, 2014 11:31 AM (POpqt)

301 If CNN wants to survive, they need to go into sandwich mode- ie. a nice thick slice of conservatism between their bland-o-rific, libtard crapola. You know: Libtard slice - Wolf Blitzer - 30 min Nice thick conservative slice of programming -30 min Libtard slice - C. Amapour 30 min Nice thick slice of conservative programming - 30 min and so on. So, CNN gets it's libtard cred but also gets viewers with the conservative programming- In 30 minute increments, most people would be to lazy to switch channels. BAM! instant ratings jump.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2014 11:31 AM (0cMkb)

302 Ya--I'm pretty sure MSNBC is just operated as some kind of tax write off scheme for NBC/Universal. There is no killing it.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 11:31 AM (RJMhd)

303 Prisoners said the unspoken rule was blacks only rape blacks, Hispanics only rape Hispanics, and EVERYONE rapes the white guys. Because the common perception was 'they had it coming' due to society's racism.

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 03:24 PM (9KqcB)

 

That's why the Aryan Brotherhood was formed originally.  That it  would turn  into the most feared  prison gang  was  no surprise.   White  boys  be  crazy. 

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:32 AM (m2CN7)

304 Posted by: Monica at January 29, 2014 03:29 PM (0FSuD) Zero except on FNC & maybe a bit in an IBD editorial.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:32 AM (z4WKX)

305 285 Beautiful women come in all colors. I never liked fake blondes.I wish they didn't have so many on Fox Posted by: Avi at January 29, 2014 03:28 PM (w7chy) True, but that's also true of the national news media in general. Couric, Andrea Mitchell, and bunches of other news brunettes went blonde in recent years.

Posted by: stace at January 29, 2014 11:32 AM (9PXzx)

306
When are Paul Ryan and John McCain joining the dems?  Hurry up already.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 29, 2014 11:33 AM (n0DEs)

307 Love to see Obama gone as much as anyone but I don't think either of those issues would get a lick of traction with the public. In fact I think it would have the opposite of affect. You don't think a well prosecuted case about Fast & Furious (wherein we armed Drug cartels with the specific goal of allowing them to murder people) with a focus on the fact that a Border Patrol Agent and at least 1 civilian were murdered wouldn't move the needle? Like I said- I know he wouldn't be removed, but it might start showing some light on how evil this Administration has been- and get people to rethink their allegiances, politically speaking.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:33 AM (PYAXX)

308 Yeah, Chozen is a one-note joke. A fat, white, gay eminem trying to dominate the rape game by rhyming about how awesome naked black dudes are. Would be a kinda funny SNL skit. Maybe. Makes a horrible half hour show. They just beat the joke into the ground after the first 5 minutes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (ZPrif)

309 MT @ThePlumLineGS: Paul Ryan tells @chucktodd he supports undocumented working before border triggers met:

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Paul Ryan is such a huge disappointment.  I wonder what the WI voters think of him mainlining amnesty so fervently. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (Oa7B2)

310

291 -

 

Having  seen the previews was enough for me.  There is nothing even remotely appealing about  the concept that I can see.

 

One show I've never watched, but I feel like I should  is The Americans.  Interesting topic,  shedloads of fine actors involved, and  Felicity as a  ferakin'  Russian sleeper agent?  What's not to like!

Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (TOk1P)

311 I liked the first ep of Archer.

What really sucked was Chozen. Fat, white, gay rapper is a funny SNL skit premise. Not so funny for a full show.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 03:27 PM (ZPrif)

 

Bob's Burgers has replaced Archer as my favorite animated show.   I think some of the same writers or producers.  I  know  some of  the  same  voices. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (m2CN7)

312 With the high number of folks who've had their health insurance cancelled by 404Care, you might be able to fashion an impeachment on that. Might.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (0HooB)

313 293 The only people who profit from the current system are the schools and professors themselves. Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 03:30 PM (aDwsi) ---------------------------- The tenured professors, that is. But they don't do most of the teaching these days. Adjuncts, both full and part-time, do that --- and they get crappy pay.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (dfYL9)

314 the brave homosexual pioneer Shepherd Smith ****** Pioneer---LOL! Ya--that's a good add on.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 11:35 AM (RJMhd)

315 Wrong, no one who answered! It's a trick question. Neither of you 'believe' in Global Warming Climate Change.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 29, 2014 11:35 AM (MiLnO)

316 Yeah, Archer and Bob are the same dude. H. Jon Benjamin - retarded name.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:37 AM (ZPrif)

317 >>You don't think a well prosecuted case about Fast & Furious (wherein we armed Drug cartels with the specific goal of allowing them to murder people) with a focus on the fact that a Border Patrol Agent and at least 1 civilian were murdered wouldn't move the needle? Unfortunately, no I don't. Don't forget most people will be getting their information on this from the same media we have been talking about in this thread. None of the msm outlets and none of the cable outlets save for Fox has done any real reporting on any of the Obama scandals except to spin them in favor of Obama. What makes you think they would tell the truth about an impeachment trial of their boyfriend, the historic first black president?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 11:37 AM (g1DWB)

318 Posted by: Lady in Black at January 29, 2014 03:34 PM (Oa7B2) Well, all we have is a tweet. For all we know the question was some completely absurd setup to which Ryan said, "Okay. If something like that happened, I suppose I could support undocumented workers, but..." And then it just got reported as "He supports undocumented workers." That doesn't change the fact that the *correct* answer to any such absurd setup is- "What color is the sky in your world?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:37 AM (PYAXX)

319 He was the son on Dr. Katz, too. I think.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:37 AM (ZPrif)

320 One show I've never watched, but I feel like I should is The Americans. Interesting topic, shedloads of fine actors involved, and Felicity as a ferakin' Russian sleeper agent? What's not to like! That's a good show IMO. If you can watch the first season from start to finish, do so. The second season starts in a couple of weeks. Mmmm, Keri Russell...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 11:37 AM (0HooB)

321 Burt C, I liked the Americans. The second season starts at the end of February.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:38 AM (z4WKX)

322 Makes a horrible half hour show. They just beat the joke into the ground after the first 5 minutes promo commercial. FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2014 11:38 AM (lUXJH)

323 Fox News making money and paying people millions like O'Reilly so they can pay off people who they sexually harass does not help the conservative movement. Sadly. Paul Ryan and Boner and Fox News are going for amnesty, folks! Time for new party yet?

Posted by: Dan at January 29, 2014 11:39 AM (COpZ4)

324 With the high number of folks who've had their health insurance cancelled by 404Care, you might be able to fashion an impeachment on that. I doubt it. The main problem is that his lawlessness on Obamacare is mostly exempting people from it and postponing it. The rest of it was passed by congress. People who have been affected or will soon be effected want to be exempted from it and want it postponed. It would be too easy for the media to put the whole blame for Obamacare on the Republicans if they tried to impeach him for exempting/postponing.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 29, 2014 11:40 AM (QF8uk)

325 >>Maybe the mainstream broadcast networks are still dominant, viewership-wise, but I suspect that cable is 500 niches, none of which individually can influence much.

I think that cumulatively they do have an impact. If they are all covering the same story, say "outrage as Republicans attack saint Wendy Davis" they can give the story weight simply because you can't escape it - it's almost subliminal.
In addition, they are now working hand in hand with entertainment outlets, so in addition to having this "poor Wendy" narrative, you also have the late night shows, Jon Stewart, SNL, and some of those "ripped from the headlines" TV dramas (Law and Order, etc.) incorporate the narrative. Worse, MSNBC will replay a SNL political skit or Lat night joke over and over, so that they feed off of each other's telling-re-telling of the story.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 29, 2014 11:40 AM (POpqt)

326 Another example lf my incredible gift for prophecy: when Fox first started, I thought, "There's a waste of money.  CNN's got that market all tied up with a pretty little bow."

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 29, 2014 11:40 AM (XUKZU)

327 I have a question, seriously, is Shep Smith gay?

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:40 AM (z4WKX)

328 Yeah, I was being generous. He's fat. He's white. He's gay. We get it. Ha ha. Next joke please.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:40 AM (ZPrif)

329 Unfortunately, no I don't. Don't forget most people will be getting their information on this from the same media we have been talking about in this thread. Then we're truly f*cked, and deserve to be. We may as well give up, because the American Populace are too stupid to realize they're cattle in a pen. I happen to think it *would* move the needle. Not a lot, but some. The problem with the Clinton impeachment was that it was so focused on whether or not he "had sex with that woman." Now, there's a reason for that- you have to establish the truth before you can prove he was lying- but still. With F&F, you can actually just assert the evil behavior and begin from there.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:40 AM (PYAXX)

330 That doesn't change the fact that the *correct* answer to any such absurd setup is- "What color is the sky in your world?"

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True enough, but my thoughts were being coupled with the Drudge link of him jumping in with the Dems to cheer Barky's immigration reform.  Caveat: I didn't watch it.  Just going by headlines. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 29, 2014 11:41 AM (Oa7B2)

331 Shep Smith is a southern gentlemen who knows many mysterious secrets in the gardens of good and evil. And telling a secret spoils all the fun, now don't it?

Posted by: Shep Smith at January 29, 2014 11:42 AM (ZPrif)

332 $75k for a degree in a field that at best makes $25k a year is a loser

In my day, it was the ultimate status symbol. You could afford to be poor. It proved you came from Old Money. Like owning certain European motor cars, and sitting around the club boasting about how much basic upkeep and repairs had cost you this month.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 29, 2014 11:42 AM (xq1UY)

333 Posted by: Lady in Black at January 29, 2014 03:41 PM (Oa7B2) Oh, I think he's absolutely willing to sell us out- maybe even ready- I just don't think you can assert that from the one tweet.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:43 AM (PYAXX)

334 In other news, Jim Cantore is the big winner on Ow! My Balls!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 29, 2014 11:44 AM (XUKZU)

335 300 They all want to "comfort the afflicted and afflict to comfortable." I have never understood why the comfortable need to be afflicted. Hate that phrase.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 11:44 AM (7ObY1)

336

RIP Archer.

 

More sadly, the dearly departed "Jon Benjamin has a Van."

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:44 AM (9KqcB)

337 I started watching Fallen Skies because of the time slot and now find that I'm wondering what is going to happen. Not a great show but has some good moments. Weird combination of extreme overacting by some characters with very good performances by others. reasonable enough SciFi to feed my addiction.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:45 AM (pQjSL)

338 Go away, batin'.

Posted by: Shep Smith at January 29, 2014 11:45 AM (ZPrif)

339 We may as well give up, because the American Populace are too stupid to realize they're cattle in a pen. ---------------- It has always been that way. Thus Jefferson's reference to 'The Swinish Multitude'. The difference is that those who were elected (however avaricious and self-serving) still had a love of country that dominated their philosophy. That is no longer true.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 11:45 AM (aDwsi)

340 "What color is the sky in your world?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 03:37 PM (PYAXX)

You seem to be someone who tries hard not to coarsen the debate, but at some point the only response needs to be poking the person in the chest...hard, and asking:

"You can't possibly be that fucking stupid?"

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2014 11:46 AM (QFxY5)

341 I have never understood why the comfortable need to be afflicted. Hate that phrase. It isnÂ’t enough to raise the [afflicted] up. Our socialist friends want to tear the [comfortable] down more than they want to help the [afflicted].

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 29, 2014 11:46 AM (QF8uk)

342 They never seem to want to afflict Al Gore's comfort in his 27 room mansion.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:47 AM (ZPrif)

343 The problem with the Clinton impeachment was that it was so focused on whether or not he "had sex with that woman." Now, there's a reason for that- you have to establish the truth before you can prove he was lying- but still.

With F&F, you can actually just assert the evil behavior and begin from there.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 03:40 PM (PYAXX)

 

 

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Impeachment?  With the spineless shitweasel repubs we have in congress now?  I refer you  to a previous thread today about their courage in cutting back the farm bill. 

 

It will be only whispered about, and that's as far as it's going to go.  No one wants to be  branded  a raciss.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2014 11:47 AM (XrYtg)

344 Sorry, had to go do something. I still think the key is broadcast media (passive/lazy consumer) v. blogs (active consumer). The advantages the broadcast media, which includes state-run education, have over blogs are twofold. One, they intrude on the social environment in a way that "blog-reading" will never match. You don't have to be paying attention to absorb information. See airport tv. Two, they pump out vastly more information than the human attention span can process in real time, which means that most of what is said (and emoted) gets dumped straight into nonconscious processing. So conservatives have to either take over a legacy broadcast platform, or they have to craft a message that is so viral that other people will rebroadcast it on their own. Apologies for the length.

Posted by: Piercello at January 29, 2014 11:47 AM (jJ97i)

345 nood

Posted by: @JohnTant at January 29, 2014 11:47 AM (PFy0L)

346 I have never understood why the comfortable need to be afflicted.

Hate that phrase.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 03:44 PM (7ObY1)

 

Me neither. It requires a left-wing mindset that you don't have enough, it's because that other guy has too much. It feeds off  of envy, which is human nature, gets politicians elected, and allows  media types to justify their populist schlock. 

Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 11:48 AM (9KqcB)

347 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2014 03:46 PM (QFxY5) Yeah, but the "what color is the sky" is a good- and usually fairly well recognized- way of saying "you're certifiably insane." And it can't really be spun otherwise. Poking someone in the chest and asking "You can't possibly be that f*cking stupid" makes you "belligerent" and "hostile."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:48 AM (PYAXX)

348 331 Good post.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:49 AM (MUZDl)

349 In news of the dumb, CM Punk may or may not have quit WWE right before Wrestlemania. With pro wrestling I assume everything is always a work.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 11:49 AM (ZPrif)

350 Like owning certain European motor cars, and sitting around the club boasting about how much basic upkeep and repairs had cost you this month. ------------- I am reminded of Benjamin (The Graduate), floating in the pool and being asked by his father "What are you going to do?" He replies, of course, "You got me."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 29, 2014 11:49 AM (aDwsi)

351 Impeachment? With the spineless shitweasel repubs we have in congress now? I refer you to a previous thread today about their courage in cutting back the farm bill. Did you miss the part where I was calling Michelle Bachmann to task for her weaselly "I'm going to sue the President for bypassing congress?"

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 11:49 AM (PYAXX)

352 "belligerent" and "hostile."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 03:48 PM (PYAXX)

Yup.

We won't change minds, so we might as well make them afraid.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2014 11:50 AM (QFxY5)

353 Is this the Obama cum interview thread?

Posted by: chrissie matthews' kidneys at January 29, 2014 11:50 AM (abZxN)

354 Did you miss the part where I was calling Michelle Bachmann to task for her weaselly "I'm going to sue the President for bypassing congress?" Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 03:49 PM (PYAXX) Allen G. was responding to me with it, I posted it from Drudge.

Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 11:53 AM (z4WKX)

355 Me neither. It requires a left-wing mindset that you don't have enough, it's because that other guy has too much. It feeds off of envy, which is human nature, gets politicians elected, and allows media types to justify their populist schlock. Posted by: CJ It is the old Russian joke: "How can the State help you?" "It's my neighbor. He has a cow and I have none." "You want the People to give you a cow?" "No, I want you to kill his."

Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 11:53 AM (0m29n)

356 # 10 The only reason CNN's ratings are what they are is because they force you to watch that shit when you are stuck in an airport.

And 24 hour fitness...hate it.

Posted by: Lurk u longtime at January 29, 2014 11:55 AM (mdg8n)

357

The inherent vice of capitalism is the  unequal  sharing  of blessings and the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal  sharing of misery. ---- W.  Churchill

 

Oh and I can't help myself.   Racist!!!!

 

Obama and Michele walk into the Monkey Bar. 

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 11:59 AM (m2CN7)

358 Shepherd Smith is the only time of the day I will allow Faux News on my television. I want him to have the ratings support for when he bravely comes out of the closet.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 29, 2014 12:01 PM (3Z9LX)

359 Any way of knowing how many people visit AOSHQ ? How many commenters, or lurkers? Must be difficult to gauge.

Posted by: seamrog at January 29, 2014 12:07 PM (hN5Vb)

360 Fox doubles and quadruples the cable news race. Yet Barack Obama sits in the White House for 2 terms and the Democrats control the Senate. Why don't Republicans win if the ideologically aligned network dominates like it does? Because most people don't watch cable news.

Posted by: california red at January 29, 2014 12:29 PM (7jrCM)

361 WHAT'S AN UMBER? I'M SCARED!!

Posted by: FreeProofreading at January 29, 2014 12:32 PM (r17bn)

362 CNN is BBC without a government subsidy. They spend lots of money, they are arrogant and biased. Obama needs to give them a subsidy, make them PBS for cable.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 29, 2014 12:50 PM (0FSuD)

363 358 Shepherd Smith is the only time of the day I will allow Faux News on my television. I want him to have the ratings support for when he bravely comes out of the closet. Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 29, 2014 04:01 PM (3Z9LX) God Bless you Mary and where have you been? The closet ghey and liberal morons have been worried that you were snowed in or something even worse, eating non GMA food.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 29, 2014 12:53 PM (0FSuD)

364 They don't change any minds ... their job is to try and hold onto the college indoctrinated minds as long as possible ... liberals start out with 70 - 90% of college grads ... they just try to stem the bleeding ...

Posted by: JeffC at January 29, 2014 01:56 PM (TR6Cq)

365 #363, I have been dedicating my time to other hobbies. I have decided that neither attackwatch nor fightthesmears will ever courageously shut down this bastion of hate and racism on the Internet until our beloved multiracial President finally moves against the RethugliKKKan Party.

I have also written politicians in New York and New Jersey calling for legislation to protect garbage from sexual assault and to outlaw the public wearing of Ewok costumes.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 29, 2014 01:59 PM (3Z9LX)

366 You forgot the most important element: Fox has the hottest women.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 29, 2014 02:05 PM (dTh2r)

367 CNN: Hey, you know who'd make a great president? Jeff Zucker! The guy that somehow managed to run a major broadcast network into the ground.

One year later

CNN: Oops!

Posted by: Justin at January 29, 2014 03:25 PM (7KXNY)

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