January 22, 2014

Glenn Beck: Hey Sorry I Broke The Country and Stuff
— Ace

Just kidding. He's introspective and self-critical here (something our legendarily deep-thinking President appears to be incapable of) and throws, I think, too much blame on himself.

Then again, I didn't watch him much when he was in his Wild Man of TV period.

I did see him do one thing on FoxNews I really did not like. He was doing that chalkboard thing. On the chalkboard he had a map of the world. I believe the immediate topic was the unrest in Libya (which would eventually wind up being Qaddaffi's downfall).

The thing he did which I did not like is pure fearmongering without any suggested pathway through the Valley of Death. He portrayed Islam as single-mindedly seeking to impose a global caliphate on the world. Okay, there's some truth in that (at least as far as jihadi Islamist extremists).

But, on the other hand, he also railed against tinpot tyrants like Qaddaffi.

What I took away from his chalkboard lecture was that anything we did was doomed, futile, stupid, and advanced one dangerous enemy or the other.

By offering nothing more in this than fear, he just seemed to be stoking a fearful reaction in the audience. There wasn't a call, for example, to support Qaddaffi (on the odious, but sometimes true, premise that a monster we control is better than a monster we don't). There was no call to help depose him.

There was no call for anything, except to be fearful of, well, everything.

I don't think that was what Glenn Beck always did -- in fact, that sort of thing always seemed a bit out of character for him, because his general persona is one of good-humor and hopefulness. I think he does have a tendency towards Connect-the-Dot Conspiracy-Type stuff, but, you know, so does 20% of the general population and 30% of the politically-minded subpopulation.

90% of any political chatter really consists of connecting the dots between this and that. Below I got a post out of connecting Obama's "Fulfill Your Dreams" invocation to Chotiner's observations on Obama's babytalk. My point is just that dot-connecting is what politically-minded people do, day in, day out.

But I think it can be taken a bit too far. Only a genius with a Leafy Brain like Keith Olbermann can really see the lines.

But perhaps he feels guilty about Connecting the Dots of Conspiracy and Doom a few too many times, with too emotional a pitch.

He says this:

“I remember it as an awful lot of fun and that I made an awful lot of mistakes, and I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language,” he said. “I think I played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart.”

“I didn’t realize how really fragile the people were, I thought we were kind of more in it together,” he added. “Now I look back and I realize if we could have talked about the uniting principles a little more instead of the problems, I think I would look back on it a little more fondly. But that’s only my role.”

What does he mean by this? I could guess, but I'd probably be pilloried for my answer. Oh well, I'll guess anyway: I think he means that when people are in a dark place -- as most of us here are, in this Age of Obama -- it takes relatively little to set them off, often in ways that are both politically counter-productive as well as psychologically self-damaging.

I don't like what I've come to think of as "The Henny-Penny Stuff." The shrieking stuff. Some stuff is genuinely shriek-worthy. But most stuff isn't. The country is in such baleful shape that anyone with any sense is always, as Obama might say, poised to shriek.

But not every incidence of a provocation should trip the shriek switch. It's not healthy for the spirit and it's not useful in political mobilization.

Or maybe it's just me who thinks this.

I have Googled for a few minutes now and I see no specific reference for what it is, exactly, he means. All I see is a multiplicity of quotations of the same lines I quote above.

If any of you saw the interview, and know what he meant, specifically, let me know.

Respectability... AllenG suggests this is all about attempting to get TimeWarner and ComCast to pick up his cable channel.

That does make sense. As I understand it, Beck is sitting on what I have heard called "a mountain of money."

It is therefore likely his ambition has grown: He doesn't want to be a "rodeo clown" anymore (as he once described himself). He wants to be a Player, and that requires a certain level of restraint.

And so he could be attempting to reassure the hard progressive dickbags he has to deal with that he's every bit as capable of restraining himself as is, say, Leafy Brained Keith Olbermann, and therefore his cable channel should be aired.

If that's his goal, well, I approve. The fact of the matter is that rodeo clowns are dime a dozen; there will always be a new rodeo clown. Should a Rodeo Clown slot open up, due to the last one retiring, or moving on, or denouncing all his old beliefs and founding a company called Media Matters, there will be a new Rodeo Clown filling the slot within days.

But Players are rarer, and much more important.

So if he's attempting to sand down some of his sharper edges in order to become a Player, well, that's almost certainly good for the cause, generally.


Posted by: Ace at 12:05 PM | Comments (333)
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1 First?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 22, 2014 12:06 PM (ojnk6)

2 I didn't read single word, but Meg looks great in that blue shirt.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 22, 2014 12:07 PM (A1Dcl)

3 First time ever, and just in time to leave the insanity of the last thread.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 22, 2014 12:08 PM (ojnk6)

4 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:08 PM (PYAXX)

5 Fragile? I meant Hummel figurines.  Those suckers fracture at the mere sight of a ball peen hammer.

Posted by: Glenn Beck at January 22, 2014 12:08 PM (8ZskC)

6 Must be a porn tape out there or something.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:08 PM (MNq6o)

7 I quit watching Beck on Fox long before he left.  He was absolutely right on a lot of stuff, but colossally wrong on some stuff.  But what I could not take at all was the crying jags.


And I don't see where he is coming from on this latest load of shit.  The front runner on who broke the country (worse than it was already broke) is sitting in the WH now.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 22, 2014 12:08 PM (T2V/1)

8 But Megyn is looking good with her hair growing back out.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 22, 2014 12:09 PM (T2V/1)

9 OT:  any body see the live feeds from Kiev?

Posted by: NCwoof at January 22, 2014 12:10 PM (aUQgu)

10 What does he mean he didn't realize how fragile people were? We're adult for Gods sake Glen. Sometimes sticking to your principals means you're going to ruffle some feathers. Beck seems very unstable to me frankly. I was never a huge fan of his anyway and I am not sure what his angle is here.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 12:10 PM (C3Wjb)

11 If any of you saw the interview, and know what he meant, specifically, let me know. He meant: "TimeWarner, Comcast, and other cable and satellite providers, please carry my network." Whether he is *also* genuinely regretful over some of the things he did/said? I don't know, I don't think anyone but him does.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:10 PM (PYAXX)

12 >>>Must be a porn tape out there or something. and: >>>I quit watching Beck on Fox long before he left. He was absolutely right on a lot of stuff, but colossally wrong on some stuff. But what I could not take at all was the crying jags. And I don't see where he is coming from on this latest load of shit. The front runner on who broke the country (worse than it was already broke) is sitting in the WH now. ... I think you both misunderstand what he's saying. He's not renouncing his political beliefs (he just wrote a letter to Gov. Cuomo pushing back against his outrageous claims). I think his point is more subtle than that.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:10 PM (/FnUH)

13 >>>He meant: "TimeWarner, Comcast, and other cable and satellite providers, please carry my network." hah... yes, I suppose that's actually what he might mean!

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:11 PM (/FnUH)

14 What does he mean he didn't realize how fragile people were? *ahem* "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky animals and you know it."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:11 PM (PYAXX)

15 Did he cry? Dude loves to cry

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 22, 2014 12:11 PM (ZfBzk)

16 When Alex Jones started saying that Beck had stolen all of his good conspiracy theories (and didn't credit AJ for them), I knew it was time to put the Beck down.

Posted by: CozMark at January 22, 2014 12:11 PM (3xciN)

17 Sadly, doom and chaos are almost always the right prediction these days.  Hard to go wrong betting on them.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 22, 2014 12:13 PM (zxsxA)

18 I'm not sure what he means by that either. However Ace, I don't want to piss in your Cheerios too much, but the goal of the fathers of Islamic radicalism DO want to establish a caliphate that has worldwide influence. I mean, this is their stated goal. Surely that news shouldn't come as shocking to anyone or frankly "new". Boil down each one of Obama's foreign policy decisions. Many say he has no foreign policy, or that it is scattered or all over the place, inconsistent, weak. They are all wrong. Obama's foreign policy is to support Islamic radicals of all stripes, Sunni and Shia. In every situation where they are involved, he sides with them: Syria; Egypt; Libya; Tunisia; Turkey; Israel; Palestine; Iraq; Iran; Afghanistan, etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 12:13 PM (l5ZHm)

19 Beck seems better on the radio, actually very funny at times especially when he mocks the left and he's a lot smarter than any of the idiots at MSNBC. By the way, is Microsoft still affiliated with that network?

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 22, 2014 12:13 PM (DpEwG)

20 Yeah he's giving himself too much credit or blame or whatever. The biggest thing I remember about his show is him doing a lot of background on people like Samantha Powers, Cass Sunstein, etc.

Posted by: Adam at January 22, 2014 12:13 PM (Aif/5)

21 But not every incidence of a provocation should trip the shriek switch. It's not healthy for the spirit and it's not useful in political mobilization. Or maybe it's just me who thinks this. No, you're right. I say that as someone whose primary means of exercise is histrionics. Obligatory but. But. But things really are awful. That's the problem. There are all kinds of things about which we need to shriek because no one else is doing so. Maybe a shriek scale? Like, okay, the thing about the Nebraska primary candidates earlier today. Should we keep a weather eye on what's going on with who is supporting whom and why in various primaries? Sure. Is it Defcon twelvety? No. You know what I find odd about my own reaction to Glenn Beck? I could not stand him on television. Not in the least little bit. I found the persona to be annoying as all get out. I find him funny as hell on the radio. Yeah. I'll be over there being all snowflakey. Also, and this is only kind of sort of a germ of a thought, not a thought out idea or anything, but does it count as being a divider if you are trying to make an argument to get people on your side? Because the practical effect is division but the intention isn't division but rather inclusion.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 12:14 PM (VtjlW)

22 Must be a gay porn tape out there or something.

Posted by: If disagreement is h8 to Beck at January 22, 2014 12:14 PM (R6JT1)

23 But not every incidence of a provocation should trip the shriek switch. It's not healthy for the spirit and it's not useful in political mobilization. Or maybe it's just me who thinks this. ****** I've been there for awhile now. Looking for a uniter not a divider. I know that sounds simple and stupid. Don't Care. And I'll be trying to find that person on our side.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:14 PM (RJMhd)

24 A lot of stuff he said needed to be said, but he did not understand when to stop. Evidently he does not understand that no matter what you say, some people are going to be ofended.

Posted by: Harry at January 22, 2014 12:14 PM (ao2LR)

25 Ace,

Beck is just a guy.  He gets shit wrong.  Hell I get shit wrong.  You get shit wrong.

At least he has the cajones to admit when he does.

Chalk it up.  Hug a bitch.  Press.

Let's get after that next hill, shall we?  Ammo and chow in the rear, we move in 30.

Posted by: tangonine at January 22, 2014 12:14 PM (x3YFz)

26 I don't think he's backing down on his beliefs, just how he acted on them. And yeah, I think he probably has a point, it's easy to pile it all on to the point it feels like all is lost, God knows I feel that way sometimes. But then the sun comes up the next day, and you gotta chase that Roadrunner again. Because you still gotta try.

Posted by: Brother Cavil's Sharpened Stake and Rusty Garden Weasel Emporium at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (naUcP)

27 I think that is all just Beck's natural reformed-addict, religiously-devout self-critique and -doubt. But I don't think Beck was a major player in the schism we've had building for the last five years-- that was baked in the cake by bigger players than him. People like Soros and the Dems thrive on division, and they pushed through a radical racio-Marxist. That's division all the way down.

Posted by: --- at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (MMC8r)

28 I'll probably be exiled by the commentariat for this, but I was never a big Beck fan. When he was on CNN (or HLN I forget what) he seemed pretty good. I think he had an editorial staff that kept some of the crazy in check. but then when he jumped to Fox he seemed to go off his rocker. And it got worse from there. Now I worry he is just blatantly fear mongering for ratings (or worse he's actually paranoid.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (GaqMa)

29 I never was into Beck because he seemed like a fake. All the crocodile tears. He is a former alcoholic who needs to get his fix elsewhere. There is something about him that is not right. He also gave a bad name to conservatives with his kookiness. His radio program is just as bad. His co-host/helper guy sounds like a yes man who has no opinion other than Beck's. Tiresome.

Posted by: Kris E. at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (t+Ftz)

30 VDH column on the Obama Doctrine and the Muzzies.  I posted this link yesterday and it is very appropriate for here.


http://is.gd/j4t1nh

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (T2V/1)

31 I'm beginning to think Glenn has been "gotten to."

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (YYJjz)

32 It sounds like delusions of grandeur.

Posted by: I need a cool new sig at January 22, 2014 12:15 PM (q177U)

33 What does he mean by this? I could guess, but I'd probably be pilloried for my answer. Oh well, I'll guess anyway: I think he means that when people are in a dark place -- as most of us here are, in this Age of Obama -- it takes relatively little to set them off, often in ways that are both politically counter-productive as well as psychologically self-damaging. I actually agree with this. And it also comes back to the "You. No, not *you* you, just general you" conundrum. I don't think he's saying that everyone is fragile, or that he bears all the blame for the ongoing balkanization of the United States. I think he's pointing out- quite rightly- that there are people who are fragile, and that the Right is not immune to the mob mentality (wherein the collective IQ of a group is equal to the inverse of its square-root). But, mostly, I think he's trying to play nice so that he gets picked up on more providers.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:16 PM (PYAXX)

34 Obama's foreign policy is to support Islamic radicals of all stripes, Sunni and Shia. In every situation where they are involved, he sides with them: Syria; Egypt; Libya; Tunisia; Turkey; Israel; Palestine; Iraq; Iran; Afghanistan, etc., etc., etc. Posted by: prescient11

He's all for power redistribution.  He wants power to shift to anyone who hates the US.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:16 PM (MNq6o)

35 Couple points: 1) Everything Beck is doing now is about getting BlazeTV picked up by Comcast, TimeWarner, DirecTV, etc. He's trying to soften his image and get that honey pot of gold - automatic 20 cents a month from 100m cable subscribers. 2) He feels bad when he touched the 3rd rail of racial politics and said Obama didn't like white people, or something to that effect. That cause him tons of trouble and led to his eventual firing at Fox. He was Fox's golden boy up to that point, that's why he was on their morning show when he said it. They had him cross-promoting everything cause he was ratings gold. 3) The advertising boycott, which took off after that comment about Obama and white people, worked. It got Beck off TV, off FoxNews, and marginalized him. 4) Beck was motivating. Beck was a huge part of the 2010 elections. He got people moving. It was a huge coup when the Left got him pushed out at Fox. Beck was forced out in 2011 and totally marginalized in the 2012 election. The Restoring Honor rally Beck had in 2010 before the election was huge. Nobody did anything similar in 2012.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

36 He's definitely trying to expand The Blaze to the powerhouse cable companies. Carry The Blaze or something similar was trending yesterday on Twitter.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 22, 2014 12:16 PM (oFCZn)

37 I wonder what megyn would like in a Tampa bay cheerleader outfit doing jumping jacks

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 22, 2014 12:16 PM (ZfBzk)

38 The problem I always had with Beck was-- the crying. I blanked out on him after that.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:16 PM (RJMhd)

39 Beck was quoted in Tepid Air and didn't even say "in fairness...."?

I guess he's looking to do a kinder, gentler version of his act, a/k/a "will some bucks-up network please pick up my show?"

With the possible exception of Levin, most of the Big Guns of Conservatism have tamed their acts considerably over the years. (Well, I don't know about Hannity; stopped listening to him many moons ago.) It has apparently paid off.

I guess it's what one does to keep the spondulix rollin' in. Doesn't do much to offset the strident yowlers like Choom Boy, but whatever floats their boat....

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 22, 2014 12:17 PM (ff7/5)

40 16 When Alex Jones started saying that Beck had stolen all of his good conspiracy theories (and didn't credit AJ for them), I knew it was time to put the Beck down.

Posted by: CozMark at January 22, 2014 04:11 PM (3xciN)

Eh, I think Levin claimed that Beck ripped off of him, so I think that's more jealousy than fact on their part: http://preview.tinyurl.com/q7su24b

Although, in the past year or so, Beck has become even more crazy.

Posted by: Calvin at January 22, 2014 12:17 PM (mMlqY)

41 Gee, Ace.  Are you saying there isn't very much in the way of constructive ideas in the comments?

BTW - that's a rhetorical quesiton..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2014 12:17 PM (f9c2L)

42 My issue with Beck was his overhyping whatever message he had planned for the next week. "YOUR LIFE WILL BE CHANGED BY THIS AMAZING REVELATION" And, to be fair, the revelations were always pretty awful...but in the age of Obama hardly life changing. Perhaps that's what he's apologizing for?

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 12:17 PM (hFL/3)

43

A lot of people find it very profitable to hit the shriek-switch on a regular basis.  Politicians, 24-hr., cable, bloggers looking for that next big hit, etc.  Yellow Journalism was predicated on that whole idea.

 

 

Now, the interesting question (at least to me) is how long can that be done before the public gets jaded?  The shriek-switch is hit and the predicted disaster does not happen.  See AGW for an example.  Does upping the volume on the shriek-switch work?  Can it be upped so high that it actually damages the society?

 

If Beck is admitting that he was involved in that then I think a whole lot of people (looking your way, MSNBC) need to also get out there and hit the confessional.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (hLRSq)

44
the crying.

I blanked out on him after that.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 04:16 PM (RJMhd)

I thought it was touching, personally.

Posted by: Kordell Stewart at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (x3YFz)

45 >>it takes relatively little to set them off, often in ways that are both politically counter-productive as well as psychologically self-damaging.


The former possibly, but the latter, nope, at least not for me as it is cathartic.

Posted by: dogfish at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (nsOJa)

46 I've listened to beck on the radio for many years. He's always thinking the last thing he did was terrible. It's introspection to a fault. It must suck to be like that, but it does seem to drive him to each next big idea,

Posted by: BSR at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (3wrJ+)

47 Eh, Beck is ok. Way too histrionic for my taste and honestly he was always reporting stuff that we were talking about days after we were talking about it. But ok. As to fragile, if we're so fragile how come it was always him crying?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (g1DWB)

48 The alleged fragility of some people is no excuse for not being straight with them. When TSHTF, harsh words will be the least of worries, especially for the fragile.

And fear is a choice.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (36Rjy)

49 He was funny as poop on a plate when he was on the radio.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (MNq6o)

50 It's no accident that the peak of the Tea Party was also the peak of Beck on FoxNews. He was forced out after the 2010 election. His shows were very motivating. As evidenced by the huge turnout at the Restoring Honor rally just before the 2010 election.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:18 PM (ZPrif)

51 There is also the point that if you make your show all about how we are going to hell in a handbasket, there comes that moment in time when you have said all you can say, and then what? Sometimes it is good to mix a Little positive news in with the gloom and doom.

Posted by: Harry at January 22, 2014 12:19 PM (ao2LR)

52 My issue with Beck was his overhyping whatever message he had planned for the next week. "YOUR LIFE WILL BE CHANGED BY THIS AMAZING REVELATION" And, to be fair, the revelations were always pretty awful...but in the age of Obama hardly life changing. Perhaps that's what he's apologizing for? Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 04:17 PM (hFL/3) Buy gold and download Defense distributed's 3D printed gun.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:19 PM (GaqMa)

53 But I don't think Beck was a major player in the schism we've had building for the last five years-- that was baked in the cake by bigger players than him.

Oh yeah.


This is still funny, though...in a rueful, "wow, we knew it was going to be bad and it turns out we were optimists" sort of way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4

(I think this is the link.  IT is protecting me from it.)

Posted by: HR at January 22, 2014 12:19 PM (ZKzrr)

54 42 My issue with Beck was his overhyping whatever message he had planned for the next week. "YOUR LIFE WILL BE CHANGED BY THIS AMAZING REVELATION"
Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 04:17 PM (hFL/3)

Yeah, that kinda gets old real fast.

Goldline!

Posted by: tangonine at January 22, 2014 12:19 PM (x3YFz)

55 His Fox show was fun at first (because different), and then, when he started to take him seriously, enervating, and finally unwatchable. He isn't Jeremiah.

Posted by: Caliban at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (DrC22)

56 I think he thought, as so many of us still do, that volume and drama means that people will actually listen.

Well, we know what happened.  It didn't work.  Fact is that he was right about an enormous amount of things well in advance of others.  He's shifted from a flyswatter to honey.  That's all.

Posted by: grognard at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (/29Nl)

57 Beck started his own network. It is his. Where could Duck Dynasty run to? The Blaze. Regardless of your opinion of him or certain things that he has said, he deserves tremendous kudos for that. Any man that creates somewhere to run to for talented, independent, conservative people should be lauded for it. As far as alarmism as to the stated goal of radical islamists, I find the laissez faire attitude in this regard troubling. Yes, not everyone is out to "trip a sheikh" every time a Muslim country does something. But in the beginning, I doubt every member of the Nazi party was up for throwing Jews in ovens; or every member of the Communist party was up for starving millions of kulaks. Those in power matter. And the foundations of their beliefs need to be attacked and confronted at every turn. If it's a moderate muslim, great, but the moderates don't really have any power in muslim countries. Hell, the "democratic" vote in Egypt was 52% Muslim Brotherhood and 25% for the even crazier Salafists. Those sounding the alarm against this are not alarmists or crazy. They are the sane ones.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (l5ZHm)

58 BTW the more entertainment and comedy focused stuff on the Blaze is pretty good. I could take or leave beck himself! some some of the other stuff on that network is great

Posted by: BSR at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (3wrJ+)

59

Glen Beck walks into a bar.

 

The bartender says, " what can I get you to drink"

 

Beck says,  " I'm so sorry I can't  buy anything from you because I'm a recovering alcoholic.  Please , please forgive me.  And forgive me for telling others  that drinking almost killed me.  I didn't mean to hurt your business.  Again I am so sorry"

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (m2CN7)

60 So, who brought the pillory?

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (xq1UY)

61 I thought it was touching, personally. Posted by: Kordell Stewart at January 22, 2014 04:18 PM (x3YFz) ******** Ha! Damn it--how did you know I am a Steeler fan? It's the smell isn't it....

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:20 PM (RJMhd)

62 I've been willowed! Da fuq, people?!?!?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:21 PM (yz6yg)

63 When Beck was forced out by the advertising boycotts, he launched Blaze. It was gonna be this "over the top" digital network that bypassed the cable companies. Didn't work. So now Blaze is trying to work with the cablecasters and get on TV alongside FoxNews and CNN.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

64 Beck had to go because the folks were tired of his crying and his crazy theory that Obama was a socialist.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at January 22, 2014 12:21 PM (DpEwG)

65 Things are very delicate; they have been so and are only getting worse. I found myself getting screamed at recently by a dear friend just for questioning the 401K system (as far as how the regs require lower-tier employee participation) and made some (I thought) innocuous comment about how if I were 23 I wouldn't be so trusting about the worth of a 401k in 50 yrs . . . OMG I GOT MY HEAD BITTEN OFF. By a man who is very, normally soft-spoken and cheery. I just shut my trap. People are much, much more on edge than they look like, at least around me they are. They're looking for a life raft. Not my little Paulian digs.

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 22, 2014 12:21 PM (EZNxq)

66 Yeah, can't abide crying from a man who wants to be a leader. Don't be a pussy.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 22, 2014 12:21 PM (LSJmV)

67 His radio program is just as bad. His co-host/helper guy sounds like a yes man who has no opinion other than Beck's. Tiresome.

Posted by: Kris E.

No, his radio show was insanely bad. He swerved back and forth from being a re-incarnated Amee Semple McPherson to Morning Zoo radio jackass ( HONK-HONK! TOOT-TOOT! DING-DING-DING! )

Just a fucking awful show.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 22, 2014 12:22 PM (cxs6V)

68 Somehow autocorrect broke my last post

Posted by: BSR at January 22, 2014 12:22 PM (3wrJ+)

69 Blaze has been successful as a website. And Beck's radio is a cash cow. Unclear how successful BlazeTV has been. Since they've changed strategy from an internet only network to a tradition cable network, I assume that's because the old strategy didn't work.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:22 PM (ZPrif)

70 Is there a link between narcissism and alcoholism?

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:22 PM (RJMhd)

71 What drove me insane on his FOX show was almost every single fucking day he'd be all "OMG I have a story that is going to DESTROY this administration. This is thee biggest story in the history of stories...and I'll tell you all about it...on Friday's show." He'd then pimp his huge, awesome story all week and you'd get to Friday and it would be "Here's a little bit of my huge awesome story but you'll have to tune in MONDAY for the rest of it." And, of course, the whole thing was always a big meh. A total pffffft. Didn't take me long to catch on to his humbuggery.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 22, 2014 12:23 PM (7ObY1)

72 Meh.  Methinks Beck thinks his influence is greater than it really is.

The fact is that this nation had begun splintering long before he came on the scene.  It is continuing to unravel and it will not stop.  The only questions left to answer are will it slowly and miserably grind to a halt or will it fly apart in a hail of shrapnel and what exactly will we look like when that happens.  Nobody short of God Himself will ever put things back close to the way we once were.

In the meantime:

"Boo" 2016

"Four S's, Two P's, and an Axehandle"

Posted by: Jaws at January 22, 2014 12:23 PM (Rbtz3)

73 Yeah, can't abide crying from a man who wants to be a leader. Don't be a pussy. Posted by: Countrysquire at January 22, 2014 04:21 PM

Too bad no one ever said that to The Human Chee-To, John Boehner....

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 22, 2014 12:23 PM (ff7/5)

74 71 And, of course, the whole thing was always a big meh. Yeah, I fell for that once. Which was, of course, one too many times.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (eFRS+)

75 humbuggery. That sounds interesting. Call me?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (PYAXX)

76 62 I've been willowed! Da fuq, people?!?!? Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:21 PM (yz6yg) ********* Dude I did not. I was down there with the - "Noodems."

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (RJMhd)

77 Haha, looks like we are of the same mind, BlueStateRebel

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (hFL/3)

78 I wonder what megyn would like in a Tampa bay cheerleader outfit doing jumping jacks Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 22, 2014 04:16 PM ...................That's stupid....... It should be a Cowboys cheerleader outfit complete with cowgirl hat and a six gun. Or leather and a .45 cal. Wait, what were we talking about?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (C3Wjb)

79 Beck was forced out because the big national advertisers stopped buying ads on his show even though it was a ratings juggernaut. So only BuyGold advertisements were running. FoxNews was unable to monetize his ratings, so he was forced out.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (ZPrif)

80 Beck sounds quite a bit like Frank Luntz right now.  He's probably in a similar emotional place.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (ND9u8)

81

There is also the point that if you make your show all about how we are going to hell in a handbasket, there comes that moment in time when you have said all you can say, and then what? Sometimes it is good to mix a Little positive news in with the gloom and doom.

 

Seriously can we get a friggin movie review around here?

 

 

I'm building a decoy spider    as a statement about the decline of America.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (fsLdt)

82 Say what you will about Beck--I think he wants to be something like a right-wing Oprah, Oprah with 50% more Jesus or something--but he was and remains the ONLY media figure willing to discuss/expose who progressives are and what they believe. Back in '09-'10, he was doing it on a daily basis.

The only one. He should be given a medal for that alone.

Instead, he was forced/driven into exile. It's no coincidence that he fled to a compound in Texas.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 12:24 PM (4YUWF)

83 He's all for power redistribution. He wants power to shift to anyone who hates the US.

Obama thinks there needs to be anti-colonial counterweights to the US, even though the US has never been a major colonial power player.  Any territory of the US that ever asked for independence was mostly given it for the asking.

The greatest restraint to US "colonialism" or "imperialism" has always been the US itself.  We're lousy imperialists, always have been.  We can conquer easy enough, but we have no clue about the winner gets the spoils and plunder part.  Any place we've ever taken has far more money shoveled into it than extracted via exploitation.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 22, 2014 12:25 PM (zxsxA)

84

By the way, is Microsoft still affiliated with that network?

 

Nah, they sold their remaining shares of MSNBC to NBC in 2012.

Posted by: Armando at January 22, 2014 12:25 PM (5iuEW)

85 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:21 PM (yz6yg) I dunno Bannion but your metaphor makes me want to actually deal with that controlled burn the turkey hunting ground at the farm needs. "Pyro in a field of strawmen" sounds kinda fun actually...

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:25 PM (GaqMa)

86 The only one. He should be given a medal for that alone.

Instead, he was forced/driven into exile. It's no coincidence that he fled to a compound in Texas.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:24 PM (4YUWF)

 

I'll give him a medal.  I just don't want him to throw it over the fence. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (m2CN7)

87 What Minnfidel said: ...................That's stupid....... It should be a Cowboys cheerleader outfit complete with cowgirl hat and a six gun. What AllenG heard "It should be a cowgirl hat and a six gun." I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (PYAXX)

88 Eh, I think Levin claimed that Beck ripped off of him. I don't know how much Levin gets ripped off. But by listening to Levin you'd think nobody has content but him. He's always going off on someone "stealing" his stuff. Again, I don't know how much is true, just that it gets tiresome.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (P7Wsr)

89 And yes, he is a world-class doomsayer.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (4YUWF)

90 At least Beck was a break from the usual tabloid style Fox journalism and also from the bullying antagonism of O'Reilly. I wasn't a regular Beck watcher, but he had a individual style that I thought never fit well in the line-up. OT, but Sean Trende says GOP Senate prospects are excellent. Oh goody, now we can watch McVain, McConnell and Graham explain why the GOP Senate majority doesn't mean we can repeal TFG Care. http://bit.ly/1kYYOde

Posted by: MTF at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (F58x4)

91 and made some (I thought) innocuous comment about how if I were 23 I wouldn't be so trusting about the worth of a 401k in 50 yrs . . .

Shit.  I don't expect the government to let us keep our 401(k) past 2018 or so.

Posted by: HR at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (ZKzrr)

92 Nah, they sold their remaining shares of MSNBC to NBC in 2012. Posted by: Armando at January 22, 2014 04:25 PM (5iuEW) They had bailed on the cable network before that actually, and only stayed in MSNBC.com thinking it was good for MSN. Then they pretty much said "we need more diverse news than you're selling..." and bailed.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:26 PM (GaqMa)

93 I'm not so sure what he says or does has that much impact..... Ego much?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (9+ccr)

94 I don't want half-hearted apologies, I want cash on the barrel head, Beck.

Posted by: Fritz at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (TKFmG)

95 Since they've changed strategy from an internet only network to a tradition cable network, I assume that's because the old strategy didn't work. I thought the idea for BlazeTV was to start off digital and expand it from there. He was trying to buy AlGore's CurrenTV to use that as a platform onto most cable systems.

Posted by: --- at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

96 Beck is a media genius in many ways. His show worked. It drew huge ratings. And huge enemies. That successfully pressure the advertisers to stop buying ads on his show. Beck also had huge enemies at Fox. Beck is the reason Shep Smith started saying, "From the journalists at FoxNews". Shep's show led into Beck's. Shep wouldn't say his name. He would just say "That's all, from the journalists at FoxNews. Whack-doodle opinion starts next."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (ZPrif)

97 I wonder what megyn would like in a Tampa bay cheerleader outfit doing jumping jacks Posted by: Navycopjoe
..........
Better yet.. a Cubbies jersey!  Spooge Worthy!

Have you seen the new retro uniforms for 2014 special games?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (f9c2L)

98 Shit. I don't expect the government to let us keep our 401(k) past 2018 or so. me either HR but I didn't even dare say something like that!!! lol

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (EZNxq)

99 I dunno Bannion but your metaphor makes me want to actually deal with that controlled burn the turkey hunting ground at the farm needs. I'e got a recipe for homemade napalm if you need it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (yz6yg)

100 Variations on a theme of self-loathing and emotional incontinence. Get lost, Beck. When we lost Breitbart, we lost the last (and only?) true warrior.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (s/yC1)

101 I weary of the Us vs. Us stuff. I have said this before, and I'll repeat it now. Beck is flawed. We are all flawed, but he is one of the good guys, and I get weary of people focusing on the flaws rather than the much more important genuine contributions. Beck has seen a good bit of life, and he takes it to heart. If he gets weepy, well, so be it. People have different constitutions. I once was in a multi-way conversation with a Presbyterian minister who I greatly admire. Someone asked about Billy Graham (who is by no means completely respected among the professional clergy). The fellow paused for a moment, and said, "Well he certainly has brought many more people to Christ than I have." My feeling is that that attitude is the one to have about Beck. He may have his marginally irrational moments, but in the grand scheme of things, he is a reliable (I think) player for the true conservative team. I have met him, and had conversation. There is no sense of phoniness or self-promotion about him. He is greatly concerned about the direction the country is taking. As for the "Some stuff is genuinely shriek-worthy", I think that having a family and family responsibilities lowers that threshold.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 12:27 PM (aDwsi)

102 55 His Fox show was fun at first (because different), and then, when he started to take him seriously, enervating, and finally unwatchable. He isn't Jeremiah.

Posted by: Caliban at January 22, 2014 04:20 PM (DrC22)

Many in the Kingdom of Judah, including King Zedikiah, found Jeremiah unlistenable. It got most of them dead by starvation and got Zedikiah's eyes poked out.

Not saying that Beck is Jeremiah either, but...you get the point.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 22, 2014 12:28 PM (36Rjy)

103 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (yz6yg) Is it the one with Styrofoam and gasoline?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:28 PM (PYAXX)

104 Levin says everybody rips him off. Levin is notorious for picking fights with every other right-wing talker. He takes the advice about "punching up" seriously. He wants to be the #1 conservative talker, so he picks fights with those who get higher ratings than he does.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (ZPrif)

105 Posted by: --- at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (MMC8r) I had current, but as soon as AJ bought it, AT&T dumped it. (not that I cared either way, I only knew I had it when I looked it up after the buyout. And then again after the transition.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (GaqMa)

106 >>Again, I don't know how much is true, just that it gets tiresome. I literally can't listen to Levin for more than 10 minutes at a time. Way too much self-love and way, way too much screaming. If I wanted all that I would have stayed married.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (g1DWB)

107 I've been willowed! You were having such fun frying the troll, we didn't have the heart to stop you...

Posted by: Brother Cavil's Sharpened Stake and Rusty Garden Weasel Emporium at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (naUcP)

108 I'e got a recipe for homemade napalm if you need it. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (yz6yg) *sidles over* Hi. How you doin'?

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (VtjlW)

109 Is it the one with Styrofoam and gasoline? Soap flakes. Styrofoam works too.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (yz6yg)

110 OT, but Sean Trende says GOP Senate prospects are excellent. Oh goody, now we can watch McVain, McConnell and Graham explain why the GOP Senate majority doesn't mean we can repeal TFG Care.
Posted by: MTF
..........
Sure, a GOP majority Senate can repeal O'Care.. just as the GOP House has successfully voted to repeal it.

But until Barky leaves the WH, he's got a pen.. a veto pen.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 22, 2014 12:29 PM (f9c2L)

111 Shit. I don't expect the government to let us keep our 401(k) past 2018 or so. Prepare for the burn within a year after announcement.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (t+DWU)

112 As Melissa Francis says on her show, even when they say it isn't, it's always about money.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (hRNoZ)

113 Like I said, Beck always seemed a bit unstable to me for my taste. Remember when he left his show and did that weird self filmed confessional breakdown? That was kind of the last time I listened.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (C3Wjb)

114 "By the way, is Microsoft still affiliated with that network?" ---- They are not and they divested their interest fully in 2012 having already been working to downsize that partnership since around the 2007 time frame.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (7mQyC)

115 I assumed Beck meant saying Obama hates whitey, or whatever he said that made him lose his show. The entire left went after his advertisers.

Posted by: Baldy at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (2bql3)

116 *sidles over* Hi. How you doin'? Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 04:29 PM (VtjlW) Oh hai! WaitÂ…. Will we be having sex at some point, or is this just about the napalm?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (yz6yg)

117 I like Beck. Beck did more to slow Obama than almost anybody else in the country. Proof of his success is how the Left worked so hard to get him off TV after 2010. They don't care about talk radio. That's a ghetto. But an effective voice at FoxNews can do real damage.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (ZPrif)

118 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (yz6yg) I'm told they found agent orange in one of the sheds on the property. Someone recognized it from having actually used it apparently during the war. I didn't ask where, I'd rather not even see the stuff.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:30 PM (GaqMa)

119 that is why I stopped listening to beck 6 years ago. too much doom and gloom, not enough rallying the troops and searching for improvement.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (DllQU)

120 Posted by: ThisBeingMilt


Thanks!

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (DpEwG)

121 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:30 PM (yz6yg) It's not the ONT yet, Bannion.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (PYAXX)

122 100 Variations on a theme of self-loathing and emotional incontinence. Get lost, Beck. When we lost Breitbart, we lost the last (and only?) true warrior.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (s/yC1)



So pick up the flag and keep going.



Or, surrender. You know? Just surrender.

Posted by: tcn at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (fwcEs)

123
I'll guess too. I think he meant the old "if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem" rhetoric.  In other words, he got people riled up with no where to go.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (n0DEs)

124 Dang: I tend to agree. Which is why Russia is such an enigma for him. Support the strong man ex commie KGB head or the radical muslims that like to kill hundreds of schoolchildren. Choices, choices.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (l5ZHm)

125 Soap flakes. Styrofoam works too. Even with the phosphors removed?

Posted by: Brother Cavil's Sharpened Stake and Rusty Garden Weasel Emporium at January 22, 2014 12:31 PM (naUcP)

126 It's not the ONT yet, Bannion. It is for me! I was up at 3 a.m. today!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (yz6yg)

127 Is it the one with Styrofoam and gasoline?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 22, 2014 04:28 PM (PYAXX)

 

------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Takes too much Styrofoam to make a decent quantity. Soap flakes are better.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (u1jJP)

128 The Left seems to have their Shriek on a hair trigger and they're not doing so bad. Not saying we should do the same. Just pointing that out.

Posted by: Jeffstag at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (aQ3OJ)

129 Somehow autocorrect broke my last post Posted by: BSR

You should apologize.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (MNq6o)

130 Yes, we were in a dark place as well by the end of His Baptist Holiness Jimmah Carter's reign in 1978-79 when I was coming of age at 21 and beginning to be self-aware politically (Though I had been mesmerized by a certain speech by Ronald Wilson Reagan on TV several years earlier, thinking, 'Damn, that politician makes a lot of sense.')

At the end of Carter a lot of people had a lot of cynicism about the future of the country. We were in economic malaise. The best way to describe it is everything cost ten times more that it did ten years before and you couldn't get a job if you wanted one, at least in my part of the country. Inflation had been with us forever and we were "running out of oil" and the climate was "cooling toward an ice age."

Americans were being held hostage in Iran by a bunch of crazed Islamos who loved chanting and burning flags (not much changes, huh?).  Fashions were post-hippy disco, long hair and beards, kind of ugly pants. And what makes living more miserable than ugly bell-bottomed pants?

The sexual revolution had come and come again and come one more time and in my high school people smoked pot in class right before the teacher came.

Then Reagan was elected. The Islamos caved immediately ( I still wonder what was said/traded ) and released the hostages.  Attitudes went from sour to hopeful. Fashions morphed from hippy-disco wide lapel polyester to three piece suits and shorter haircuts with still too long sideburns, then no sideburns.  (the scourge of the mullet came along, but what can you say?)

Then just two years later the economy really began turning around (and leftists really started screaming about it. it wasn't fair! ). People got really optimistic. 

In short -- sorry I know this was anything but short -- the vision and optimism and plan of one man, and his ability to communicate and lead, turned the country around.

So. It can be done. That's all. Everything is not hopeless.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (OZmbA)

131 I assumed Beck meant saying Obama hates whitey, or whatever he said that made him lose his show. The entire left went after his advertisers. And yet Kanye West still makes millions from minimal talent.

Posted by: --- at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (MMC8r)

132 Beck's quote: "I'm not saying he doesn't like white people. I'm saying he has a problem. This guy is, I believe, a racist." That was on the Fox Morning Show. I agree with Beck, btw. I think Obama is a racist and does not like white people.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

133 What is the firefox add-on to block particular hashes?  I'm way overdue on one, and today it put me over the edge.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 22, 2014 12:33 PM (GrtrJ)

134 Beck was forced to apologize quickly by Fox, but the boycott was already in full stride.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:33 PM (ZPrif)

135
I say that as someone whose primary means of exercise is histrionics.











*snort*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 22, 2014 12:33 PM (TIIx5)

136 I weary of the Us vs. Us stuff.

I have said this before, and I'll repeat it now. Beck is flawed. We are all flawed, but he is one of the good guys, and I get weary of people focusing on the flaws rather than the much more important genuine contributions.

I miss Reagan. He had a way of pointing out the problems and leaving you with a bit of optimism that there were solutions within reach.

Posted by: Retread at January 22, 2014 12:33 PM (cHwk5)

137 Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (aDwsi) ********* Great comment. But--he has a family so his threshold is lower? I know guys that have spent-- let's see almost a decade --in critically manned fields of the military during the war on terror and they don't manipulate people by crying or emotionalism.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:33 PM (RJMhd)

138 He wants to be the #1 conservative talker, so he picks fights with those who get higher ratings than he does. Posted by: Flatbush Joe +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Who has higher ratings than Levin besides Rush & Hannity, who are his close friends? I listen to Levin nearly every day, and I'm yet to hear him criticize either of them.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 22, 2014 12:34 PM (LSJmV)

139 No, Beck got people riled up and the Repubs won a historic election in 2010. Then the Left got him removed from TV.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:34 PM (ZPrif)

140 GLENN BECK WAS DRIVEN INTO EXILE BECAUSE THE FED DOESN'T WANT THE SHEEPLE TO FIND OUT THE BEST WAYS TO BUY HEIRLOOM SEEDS AND GOLD COINS.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 22, 2014 12:34 PM (+lsX1)

141

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (aDwsi)

 

I agree but I  lose respect when people unnecessarily backtrack from their positions  because  it effects their power, position or money or perceived reputation.

 

Stick to your freaking guns unless you are proven wrong.  And then  go into hiding until everyone forgets.  I keed.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:34 PM (m2CN7)

142 See, this is why we are never going to win anything ever again. Everybody ripping Beck a new one for every petty reason imaginable. I didn't agree with everything he said, I found some of his mannerisms annoying, but dammit, he's on OUR side. Do you ever see Dems doing this ? Wanna know why they're winning ? Mutual Support, the exact opposite of a circular firing squad. I'll say it again, because I want to puke reading all this *#&%#*; this is why we are never going to win anything ever again. He's on OUR side, not theirs. Doesn't that count for anything ? Apparently not.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2014 12:34 PM (SwHqo)

143 I'e got a recipe for homemade napalm if you need it. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:27 PM (yz6yg) Seriously though, the turkey prairie needs burning and frankly the brush hog in the firing range is getting not worth it. But alas, it's not my farm, I only help with it in exchange for the hunting, and we're all to lazy to actually put the effort into a burn. That's a lot of prep work.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (GaqMa)

144 I didn't say Obama was racist, what I said was if given the chance Obama would murder every white person on the planet. Get your facts straight, or else.

Posted by: Glenn Beck at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (DpEwG)

145 I really like Levin a few years ago, but his sense of humor got subsumed by his inner rage-money and he became unlistenable.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (ZshNr)

146 It is for me! I was up at 3 a.m. today!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:32 PM (yz6yg)


So was I, but I don't think puking all over the bathroom really constitutes a change in the clocks here at the AoSHQ.

Posted by: tcn at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (fwcEs)

147  Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:24 PM (4YUWF) -- Beck was NOT the only one by a longshot. He just thinks he was. Levin, Quinn, Savage, Limbaugh, Breitbart, everybody, but I remember Sean Hannity was the one who got Rev Wright on his show. All of the people I mentioned, I listen to at various times, and Sean Hannity had Rev Wright on.

Posted by: Baldy at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (2bql3)

148 I never saw much in him. I didn't find much of his message false, just didn't enjoy the persona or the histrionics. So, meh. Then I took my dad to visit his old Army buddy -- the Louisiana and Texas Maneuvers, then the north shoulder of the Bulge, and Remagen, thanks for asking -- and I learned that somehow, Beck had gotten to this NW Pennsylvania family.

They'd been good old blue collar Catholic dems for my whole life, taking it as it was dished out, and that crazy bawling Mormon had turned then into radical new-wave conservatives. They were preaching the gospel to me as if I hadn't been a libertarian for 45 years. And they are happy about it. They're 92. And they vote.

Beck still doesn't appeal to me personally. But I have to give him credit for that.


Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (xq1UY)

149 What did I miss in the last thread? Was it MooMoo again? I feel like I missed something! ...and stay away from Bannion you trollops! oh and I hate to say it . . . but Reagan Era might have just been a little speedbump on our way down . . . I'm so cheery!

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 22, 2014 12:35 PM (EZNxq)

150 The Left seems to have their Shriek on a hair trigger and they're not doing so bad. Not saying we should do the same. Just pointing that out. Posted by: Jeffstag ---------------- Shriek? Here's shriek (William Barber): http://tinyurl.com/nhur6s9

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (aDwsi)

151 I also think Beck bought into a mindset that many conservatives still haven't gotten over.  He thought Obama could be attacked within the system. He thought the light of day would actually cleanse things.  He thought exposing Anita Dunn and Van Jones as Marxists would mean something to people.

But he didn't realize that #1 - the system is the problem and #2 - people haven't been taught what a Marxist really is. Not for a very long time.

Loudly yelling Marxist, Communist, Socialist - it doesn't work when anyone 40 and younger has been indoctrinated to believe they are just economic systems with no moral component other than "fairness."

In order for that to work, you have to make people understand what a Marxist is first, why the alternative is better, and then you can yell "Marxist!" and it will make an impact.

This entire world is so far from that positioning right now, it's frightening.

Posted by: grognard at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (/29Nl)

152 Beck pulls a lot of this "let's all come together as Americans, whether you're liberal or conservative for the good of the country". It's total bullshit. You don't win political battles by coming together. You win by defeating your opponent. You will never hear Rachel Maddow say anything like this. It's attack your opponent 24/7. If he says the sky is blue, you say fuck no you're crazy the sky is green. That's how you win, not by crying and getting emotional like a little girl.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (0LHZx)

153

Beck has his place in the media enviroment.  He was an alarmist in the beginning when he was with FNC.  But someone had to wake  the non-blog readers up about who the people were running the WH and what they had in mind for this nation.  I thank him for that. 

 

He's doing what he's doing now for, as some have pointed out, to gain a larger audience in the cable community.  I call that being a good businessman.  He's also doing it because I think he truly loves this country and people and doesn't want the chasm to get any wider  than it already is.

 

I can't but think in some of his remarks, however, that he has much faith in keeping the country physically together as it is now.  I think he's  trying to prepare us mentally and spiritually for the coming split.  I don't always agree with his method, but I do  agree with his overall  approach.

 

We're going to have to be a more moral people if a break-up occurs or there's going to be a bloodbath that we cannot imagine.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (Qf+FR)

154 >>>See, this is why we are never going to win anything ever again. Everybody ripping Beck a new one for every petty reason imaginable. i'm not.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (/FnUH)

155 top talkers are Rush Hannity Dave Ramsey Beck Levin Levin and Beck are basically tied at #4. Both have half the audience of Rush and Hannity, though. Talkers.com puts out regular rankings.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (ZPrif)

156 Hey Gris, barrel for all caps, I believe. Check the style manual.

Posted by: tcn at January 22, 2014 12:36 PM (fwcEs)

157 Sometimes I just skip letters, apparently.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2014 12:37 PM (ZshNr)

158 Levin is great on a rant but after about a minute it starts getting really depressing.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:37 PM (MNq6o)

159 ...and stay away from Bannion you trollops! ButÂ…butÂ… I'm a fan of trollops!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:37 PM (yz6yg)

160 Oh hai! WaitÂ…. Will we be having sex at some point, or is this just about the napalm? Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:30 PM (yz6yg) Just the napalm, of course. Duh. RE: 401(k) confiscation. I used to be all eyerolley contrails about that. Now? I'm stunned we made it through 2013. Insty's article about how the current administration is turning us all into conspiracy mongers was spot on.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 12:38 PM (VtjlW)

161 Ugh, anyone?  Please?

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 22, 2014 12:38 PM (GrtrJ)

162 i'm not. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:36 PM (/FnUH) I'm not even ripping him a new one, I'm saying he's not my style. I think he appeals to large swaths of the population though, and to that I say "Congrats." TBH though 90% of the conservative talking heads aren't my style.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:38 PM (GaqMa)

163 And yet Kanye West still makes millions from minimal talent.

He's "threatening"[sic] to emigrate. Because racism.   DLTDHYWTGLSY, but I've seen enough celebs promise to leave that I know they're all lying.

Posted by: HR at January 22, 2014 12:38 PM (ZKzrr)

164 "149 What did I miss in the last thread? Was it MooMoo again? " Yes.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 12:38 PM (hFL/3)

165 Beck was one of the only ones attacking Obama at his strength - Obama's claim of moral superiority. Almost all the Repubs were saying Obama is a good guy, a smart guy, a moral guy, I just disagree with him. That's what McCain did. That's what Romney did. That's what OReilly did. Beck said, no, he's not a good guy. He's a bad guy. You have to talk in that language to win. You have to talk good and bad, black and white. That's what Obama does. That's what the Left does. We aren't wrong in their eyes, we're bad people. Bad people with bad ideas who want to do harm to the good people with good ideas.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:39 PM (ZPrif)

166
I like Beck, I like Levin, I like Limbaugh, I like Hannity.  I rarely have a chance to listen to them, but I know they are generally on my side of things and I don't care about crying or high voices or fatness.

I have a problem with FAKE conservatives like Christie or Ryan or Rubio.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2014 12:39 PM (n0DEs)

167 148 I never saw much in him. I didn't find much of his message false, just didn't enjoy the persona or the histrionics. So, meh. Then I took my dad to visit his old Army buddy -- the Louisiana and Texas Maneuvers, then the north shoulder of the Bulge, and Remagen, thanks for asking -- and I learned that somehow, Beck had gotten to this NW Pennsylvania family. They'd been good old blue collar Catholic dems for my whole life, taking it as it was dished out, and that crazy bawling Mormon had turned then into radical new-wave conservatives. They were preaching the gospel to me as if I hadn't been a libertarian for 45 years. And they are happy about it. They're 92. And they vote. Beck still doesn't appeal to me personally. But I have to give him credit for that. Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 22, 2014 04:35 PM (xq1UY) ************* Unfortunately I think that story is outnumbered by the seniors MSNBC and CNN has turned around.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:39 PM (RJMhd)

168 The advertiser boycott against Beck started almost as soon as his Fox show did. Someone saying the things he said about Obama and the left on national television? Telling us what "progressivism" is all about? That wasn't going to be allowed.

He was also drawing prime-time ratings at 5 PM. Pretty sure The Five is, well, not.


Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 12:39 PM (4YUWF)

169 thanks lauren I'll have to go check it out Bannion was fighting the thing? coooooooool

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 22, 2014 12:39 PM (EZNxq)

170 >>>Beck pulls a lot of this "let's all come together as Americans, whether you're liberal or conservative for the good of the country". It's total bullshit. You don't win political battles by coming together. You win by defeating your opponent. You will never hear Rachel Maddow say anything like this. It's attack your opponent 24/7. ... Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:39 PM (/FnUH)

171 Sometimes I just skip letters, apparently. Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2014 04:37 PM (ZshNr) Autocorrect. It's always autocorrect's fault. It doesn't matter that you are using something that doesn't have autocorrect. Still autocorrect's fault.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (VtjlW)

172 here tropllops, trollops, trollops here trollops, trollops, trollpos....

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (q+zA9)

173 "139 No, Beck got people riled up and the Repubs won a historic election in 2010.

Then the Left got him removed from TV."

BINGO

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (4YUWF)

174 Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 04:38 PM (VtjlW) If they take my 401K I honestly don't know how I'll prepare for the future, I wasn't planning on SS, or any time of pension, and frankly trying to save money in this tax environment without the tax deferment isn't all that possible. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:37 PM (yz6yg) We're trying to save you from your wife .

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (GaqMa)

175

See, this is why we are never going to win anything ever again. Everybody ripping Beck a new one for every petty reason imaginable.

What are the petty reasons?  I see more ripping of Levin on this thread ( I happen to agree) .   I  agree though that  criticism could be limited to strategy of getting the message out and not personal attacks.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

176 Rush, Hannity around 14M Beck, Levin around 7.5M whole bunch in the 3-3.5M - Ingraham, Savage, Bennett, Medved, etc

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

177

"I say that as someone whose primary means of exercise is histrionics."

 

You're one of my favorite repeat customers, AtC.  I even got a stepstool with your name engraved on a brass plate in the Throwing-A-Fitting Room.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 22, 2014 12:40 PM (hLRSq)

178 >>You have to talk in that language to win. You have to talk good and bad, black and white. Reagan never did. You don't have to stoop you just have to do a better job of explaining.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (g1DWB)

179 Beck is really just a Showman - a huckster. He adheres to the old saying in show-business and marketing - "Always be selling. Always". From my years in the broadcasting business, I can guarantee you what he really thinks of his fans - I've seen it up close with other "talent" in broadcasting. They think very little of their fans. They only have respect for very few of those in their inner circle - and they treat those folks like cow shit. So, I would recommend that no one fall victim to the charisma these type of people project. None of it is genuine or real.

Posted by: Not an Artist at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (uRumV)

180 169 thanks lauren I'll have to go check it out It was petty brutal. I may or may not have been one of the primary flame throwers...

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (hFL/3)

181 What Beck did was make Ace of Spades an entire media company. Think about this. Soon if DirecTV pick it up and Comcast, an ENTIRE TV CHANNEL will be putting up media. It's the beginning of this. Not the end. And Beck did it when everyone said it was crazy TO EVEN TRY. Major kudos for that, although sometimes the crying annoys me, I agree, but who likes everything someone does, even the greatest among the conservatives.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (l5ZHm)

182 His major sponsors on his show are gold, alarm systems, and emergency food. So yeah - he's all about the fearmongering (but will deny it angrily when confronted with it, as a few callers have done).

His pitch for whipping up his listeners into badgering their cable companies to carry him? Hey, you're supporting Al Jazeera with your monthly subscription - why not support me as well.

I used to like him way back when (early 2000's) - he's now pretty much shilling and doomsdaying 24/7 - unlistenable.

Posted by: WayDownYonder at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (7W7x2)

183 He was also drawing prime-time ratings at 5 PM. Pretty sure The Five is, well, not. Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (4YUWF) _______ Ratings don't mean shit if there are no ads to sell. Nobody wanted to touch Beck except the "buy gold now" types. They don't pay Coke/Chevy type prices for ad space.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (0LHZx)

184 We're trying to save you from your wife . Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 04:40 PM (GaqMa) I dunno. After that pic AtC posted on the THC thread this morning, I'm in looooooooooove.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:41 PM (yz6yg)

185 He's sucking up to the hard Left - for crying out loud, his open letter to Cuomo was blathering on about Wounded Knee and how terrible Manifest Destiny is and was. He was just writing crap some bonghit wonders were feeding him so he could point at it to get "attaboy"'s. He's just doing this in prepping the ground game for a lawsuit against Cablevision, Cox, etc to include his channel. That's it.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 22, 2014 12:42 PM (UfYXk)

186 >>Loudly yelling Marxist, Communist, Socialist - it doesn't work when anyone 40 and younger has been indoctrinated to believe they are just economic systems with no moral component other than "fairness."

In order for that to work, you have to make people understand what a Marxist is first, why the alternative is better, and then you can yell "Marxist!" and it will make an impact.

Posted by: grognard

<<

^^This.  Yes. There's a whole generation that don't understand what misery and oppression communism by its nature leads to.  And, they're so immersed in a free system (relatively so) without being educated about the polar opposite that they take liberty for granted and don't see that it can be lost.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2014 12:42 PM (OZmbA)

187 No, ace, you're not. But out of the first 50 comments, maybe 30 to 40 were, and I got a little upset by it. I still stand by my point though, we on the dextrosphere do the circular firing squad a lot better than we do the one-squad-gives-covering-fire-while-the-other-squad-advances.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2014 12:42 PM (SwHqo)

188 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH)

 

Exactly.  Its the person who can do that the best.   In my lifetime that was Reagan.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (m2CN7)

189 Insty's article about how the current administration is turning us all into conspiracy mongers was spot on.

Seriously.  Things I used to dismiss outright will at least earn a second glance these days.  I wouldn't say it is an erosion of trust.  I would say it is a recognition that our trust has been misplaced.  I use "our" in the broadest sense possible. 

Posted by: no good deed at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (vBhbc)

190 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH)


And that's why we read you and hear about Beck second-hand.

Posted by: tcn at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (fwcEs)

191 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH) ********* True. And it starts at the college level. I ran for Prez in college as a joke then my Russian prof said-- "let's make it interesting..." Oh holy shit--that was an eye opener. Thanks ostracized Russkie prof! That was the lesson of a lifetime. Ya za. The "budget" was only three million dollars too.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (RJMhd)

192 Who has higher ratings than Levin besides Rush & Hannity, who are his close friends? I listen to Levin nearly every day, and I'm yet to hear him criticize either of them.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 22, 2014 04:34 PM (LSJmV)

Levin would never rip Hannity because he got his start on Hannity's radio show by being a regular guest/caller. And ripping Rush would be stupid, which Levin is not.

Posted by: baldilocks at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (36Rjy)

193 I'm not sorry I broke the country.

Posted by: Barry at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (pginn)

194 Beck got ratings at 5 pm that nobody had ever got, before or since. It was stunning. And, yeah, he was being groomed for prime time. The Left saw the threat and removed the threat. They were smart, they attacked the weak point, the advertisers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (ZPrif)

195 Ace -- you said: "I don't like what I've come to think of as "The Henny-Penny Stuff." The shrieking stufff..." I don't either Ace. Same way I feed about Mark Steyn -- always complaining, never offering answers. Don't you think your post yesterday re 'Mitt losing - tipping point' was kind of like that. A cry of it's over for America?! I hope it wasn't...

Posted by: Alix at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (56HR4)

196 That's how you win, not by crying and getting emotional like a little girl.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 04:36 PM (0LHZx)

 

You mean like how you start whining like a little shit when we start attacking abortion Barbie?

Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (LI48c)

197 Penn Jillette joins the pro-Blaze people. And do not add an -er suffix to that!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (vuh7l)

198 I dunno. After that pic AtC posted on the THC thread this morning, I'm in looooooooooove. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2014 04:41 PM (yz6yg) I preferred the second shot on the beach.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (GaqMa)

199 i always wondered if there were serious death threats that caused him to pretty much disappear off the radar. i didnt know he moved to Texas but that would make sense. But there I go in true Beck fashion....connecting the dots. oh yeah... buy gold.

Posted by: curious at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (XxCCS)

200 Why shriek? I am so past shrieking it is not the least bit funny. The American people so love the shit the media serves it must taste like Tasty Freeze whipped ice cream. Glen Beck ruined the nation, not in any way shape or form Harry Reid, Nanzi Pelousy, or King Putt. I helped I guess in not clapping. How were we to know the newly crafted Chicago "god" would be so fragile as to need Tinkerbellian applause?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (TE35l)

201 Autocorrect. It's always autocorrect's fault. It doesn't matter that you are using something that doesn't have autocorrect. Still autocorrect's fault. Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 04:40 PM Don't give Obama any ideas. Autocorrect acted stupidly.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (C3Wjb)

202 "Beck was NOT the only one by a longshot. He just thinks he was. Levin, Quinn, Savage, Limbaugh, Breitbart, everybody, but I remember Sean Hannity was the one who got Rev Wright on his show. All of the people I mentioned, I listen to at various times, and Sean Hannity had Rev Wright on."

All true.

Other than Rush, though, none of those guys were drawing Beck-size ratings.

Other than Hannity, none of them were on TV. And Hannity, while generally right, is too much of a blockhead to have an effect.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (4YUWF)

203 180 169 thanks lauren I'll have to go check it out It was petty brutal. I may or may not have been one of the primary flame throwers... Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 04:41 PM (hFL/3) Lauren, you kicked major ass and did yourself proud.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 22, 2014 12:43 PM (UAMVq)

204 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH) When you stop and realize that our political environment operates under the same pack dynamics as those of 13 year old popular girl cliques, things suddenly fall into place. Speaking of shivving, that Media Matters bon mot is nigh to a Platonic Ideal thereof.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 12:44 PM (VtjlW)

205 Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (4YUWF) ---------- From Wikipedia: ---------- The Five is currently the second-most-watched program in all of cable news in the United States, placing only behind The O'Reilly Factor,[5][6] also on the Fox News Channel.

Posted by: Baldy at January 22, 2014 12:44 PM (2bql3)

206 Dang: I tend to agree. Which is why Russia is such an enigma for him.


Support the strong man ex commie KGB head or the radical muslims that like to kill hundreds of schoolchildren.


Choices, choices. Posted by: prescient11

After I posted that I thought it looked like I was saying that Obama doesn't necessarily always want to help islamo-scum,  he does.  Every time.  He also wants to go easy on North Korea and anyone else who hates us.  He sees anyone who isn't in the US as an underdog and liberals always try to help the underdog,  even if he's a murderer being chased by the cops.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:44 PM (MNq6o)

207 That's how you win, not by crying and getting emotional like a little girl. The irony. It burnsÂ…..like napalm.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 22, 2014 12:44 PM (yz6yg)

208 >>>Beck pulls a lot of this "let's all come together as Americans, whether you're liberal or conservative for the good of the country". It's total bullshit. You don't win political battles by coming together. You win by defeating your opponent. You will never hear Rachel Maddow say anything like this. It's attack your opponent 24/7. ... you know this is an example of what I'm talking about. As I said above: Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united. ... I think most people would agree with the cynical wisdom of that statement. It's Machiavellian, sure, but so is politics. But there is this tendency among the Right right now to insist on counterproductive politics which feels emotionally good while being quite bad for us on a practical level. If a right poltiician says anything halfway conciliatory, he gets castigated for it. Even if his actions remain pretty conservative, he'll get castigated for even suggesting something fluffilly politically popular like "goodwill" and "all uniting together." This is the problem I'm on about: Some of us are so angry we are determined to see our anger reflected, *explicitly,* in our leaders, even while maybe understanding on a *rational* level that maybe that's not such a good thing. And yet the insistence remains, because rational processes are not guiding this ship. The stars being used to navigate this ship are emotional ones. We're angry, we want other people to show that anger, so that we can feel vindicated in our anger.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:44 PM (/FnUH)

209 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM .................Like a beer summit?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 12:44 PM (C3Wjb)

210 Beck has been crusading against Manifest Destiny for many years now. I don't agree with him on that, but he railed against Manifest Destiny back in 2010 when he was still on Fox.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:45 PM (ZPrif)

211
Anthony Weiner was the culprit who wrote letters to the SEC complaining about Goldline charging exorbitant prices and Glenn Beck and Fox News "dishonest business practices" as "an unfortunate by-product of the Tea Party movement."

Little Anthony bitched out Beck when gold was $550/oz and it eventually went to $1700/oz and currently trades at $1250 oz.  Beck must be a dick for advertising gold that made the proletariat money. 


Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 22, 2014 12:45 PM (pJF+c)

212 @167 Well, in the long run we'll see, won't we. But I don't think the likes of CNN has ever "turned" anybody. They've just lulled them into thinking they're still in Chet and David's world while they parrot the party line. True, that's a lot of LIV's in a lot of doctor's office waiting rooms and airport lounges, but "turned," I don't think so.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 22, 2014 12:45 PM (xq1UY)

213 I still stand by my point though, we on the dextrosphere do the circular firing squad a lot better than we do the one-squad-gives-covering-fire-while-the-other-squad-advances. The downside of not having group-think, we do tend to be prone to infighting. I'll take it any day, though. Keeps us (marginally) honest.

Posted by: Brother Cavil's Sharpened Stake and Rusty Garden Weasel Emporium at January 22, 2014 12:45 PM (naUcP)

214 Did a politician win an election bigger than a bread box? He's......not going to be a snow angel. Looking for priests in your politicians is a little like looking for a virgin with a tattoo in a whore house. Ain't gonna happen but you can keep on hoping.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:45 PM (RJMhd)

215 209 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM .................Like a beer summit? Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 04:44 PM (C3Wjb) Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 22, 2014 12:46 PM (UAMVq)

216 "Lauren, you kicked major ass and did yourself proud." *blush* Thank you. I think the hyperglycemia from fasting today has made me feisty.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 12:46 PM (hFL/3)

217 You mean like howyou start whining like a little shit when we start attacking abortion Barbie? Posted by: buzzion at January 22, 2014 04:43 PM (LI48c) __________ You missed my point obviously. I said don't attach a woman for attending Harvard Law. What you got from me was "ABORTIONS FOR EVERYONE ALL TH ETIME". But I digress.... Beck is a smart guy, a good businessman. He doesn't believe 80% of his own bullshit, but his followers do. And they buy his books and whatever the fuck else he sells. Can't fault him for that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:46 PM (0LHZx)

218 12 Ace, His point roughly translated is: The actions of the GOP show me there will be no attempt at the isolation and destruction of the liberal blacklist slinging autocrats running infotainmet.... I too can be funny! //Glenn Beck

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2014 12:46 PM (TE35l)

219 I know guys that have spent-- let's see almost a decade --in critically manned fields of the military during the war on terror and they don't manipulate people by crying or emotionalism. Posted by: Teleprompter --------------- As do I. That comment was aimed at the Ewok, and was merely intended to suggest that those with wives and children tend to take life a little more seriously than others, and their threshold regarding what is 'shriek worthy' is likely to be lower. By way of example, those here who have looked at Common Core know that it is stupid and debilitating anti-education. But however upset we may be, parents are (or should be) much more upset. I am merely saying that Becks threshold for 'shriek worthiness' (whatever the issue) is likely lower than Ace's. Does that mean more/less rational? I dunno.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 12:47 PM (aDwsi)

220 "Ratings don't mean shit if there are no ads to sell. Nobody wanted to touch Beck except the "buy gold now" types. They don't pay Coke/Chevy type prices for ad space."

Ratings do in fact mean shit if people are watching and listening. Which they were.

And the advertisers were spooked by the Media Matters, etc. boycott pressure, which, as noted, began almost the second Beck started on Fox.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 12:47 PM (4YUWF)

221 The Five has done well. Not as well as Beck in the ratings, but well. More importantly, there is no advertiser boycott so Fox can monetize the ratings of The Five and not just be forced to air the same Gold Bouillon commercial 20 times every hour. Fox's strategy is clearly to move to the center to avoid Leftist boycotts.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:47 PM (ZPrif)

222 Someone in here needs to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:47 PM (MNq6o)

223 Breaking the country isn't a bug. It's a feature!

Posted by: President Historic First at January 22, 2014 12:48 PM (4YUWF)

224 >>>I don't either Ace. Same way I feed about Mark Steyn -- always complaining, never offering answers. Don't you think your post yesterday re 'Mitt losing - tipping point' was kind of like that. A cry of it's over for America?! I hope it wasn't... 'Twas that. At least I was announcing that feeling. Yes, I feel that, as do many others. Whether that feeling is accurate I cannot say. But I think it is beyond contestation that many people *feel* this way. I don't know if that's Henny Penny stuff. I think of it as "Grim Resignation to Futility, Defeat, and Doom." I do think America is on the decline. I don't consider it a first-rate nation anymore-- except by the debased standards of the rest of the world, which is a low bar. Can it recover? Most don't. I never really believed in that idea of Exceptionalism, at least not in the sense that America was *inherently* exceptional. We're not. We are capable of all the same stupidity as the Europeans. What made us exceptional was not something inherent, but our devotion to a specific and exceptional ideal. But as we've largely abandoned that ideal, we are no longer exceptional. The ideal made us exceptional, nothing particular in the American blood or anything.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:48 PM (/FnUH)

225 nsty's article about how the current administration is turning us all into conspiracy mongers was spot on. Seriously. Things I used to dismiss outright will at least earn a second glance these days. I wouldn't say it is an erosion of trust. I would say it is a recognition that our trust has been misplaced. I use "our" in the broadest sense possible. Trust, but verify.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2014 12:48 PM (t+DWU)

226 Beck was extremely effective as an activist in the 2010 election cycle. Which is why the Left had him removed.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:49 PM (ZPrif)

227 Ace, How did Obama win in 2008? By attacking Bush relentlessly. How did Obama win in 2012? By attacking Romney/Bain and rich people relentlessly. What did McCain and Romney do? Not attack anyone. In today's age you win elections by attacking, not offering flowery sunshine bullshit rhetoric. The left gets this. The right, for some reason, does not.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:49 PM (0LHZx)

228 . Beck must be a dick for advertising gold that made the proletariat money. Posted by: Doctor --------------------- Turns that Weiner was the dick. Apparently there are pictures...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 12:50 PM (aDwsi)

229 We're angry, we want other people to show that anger, so that we can feel vindicated in our anger.


Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:44 PM (/FnUH)

 

 

Like the way the Left were (and are) about GW Bush.  They were darn near apoplectic from the time they woke up to teh time they went to bed.  I don't like to draw parallels with that time, but man, I have seen some meltdowns by people who don't like Obama that have been pretty spectacular.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 22, 2014 12:50 PM (hLRSq)

230 Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:43 PM (4YUWF) --- That is true. It is a shame that Breitbart is dead, though. I trusted him, and Beck showed his true colors when Breitbart died.

Posted by: Baldy at January 22, 2014 12:50 PM (2bql3)

231 Ratings do in fact mean shit if people are watching and listening. Which they were. And the advertisers were spooked by the Media Matters, etc. boycott pressure, which, as noted, began almost the second Beck started on Fox. Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:47 PM (4YUWF) _________ Beck could get 100 million viewers every day. But if nobody bought ads, it's the equivalent of him getting 0 viewers as far as Fox is concerned.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:51 PM (0LHZx)

232 Beck is a good guy who's done some great things. Hopefully he'll do more.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:51 PM (ZPrif)

233 not offering flowery sunshine bullshit rhetoric. ******** Really? Obama didn't do that? Hope and Change.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:51 PM (RJMhd)

234 Now, how about that pillory? I was promised a pillory.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 22, 2014 12:51 PM (xq1UY)

235 >>>Like the way the Left were (and are) about GW Bush. They were darn near apoplectic from the time they woke up to teh time they went to bed. I don't like to draw parallels with that time, but man, I have seen some meltdowns by people who don't like Obama that have been pretty spectacular. yes. I can't accept the proposition that the left was wack-a-doo and hyperemotional and silly and unmanned during that period, but when *we do it* it's okay because it's us and We're Right. So either I have to concede the Left was behaving perfectly rationally in 2003, or I have to fault the right for aping them in their wilder bouts of emotionalism. I have to choose the latter.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:51 PM (/FnUH)

236 >>But as we've largely abandoned that ideal, we are no longer exceptional. The ideal made us exceptional, nothing particular in the American blood or anything. I will not eat the Kaboom. Will America ever be the same? Probably not. Mostly because it never is. It could get worse and probably will. But after a period of down we can get right back on the beam and make it better. Again, not the same as before, maybe not even better in many ways but a hell of a lot better than it is today.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 12:52 PM (g1DWB)

237 Hope and Change. Posted by: Teleprompter ------------------- Heh.

Posted by: Yes We Can! at January 22, 2014 12:52 PM (aDwsi)

238 If a right poltiician says anything halfway conciliatory, he gets castigated for it. Even if his actions remain pretty conservative, he'll get castigated for even suggesting something fluffilly politically popular like "goodwill" and "all uniting together." This is the problem I'm on about: Some of us are so angry we are determined to see our anger reflected, *explicitly,* in our leaders, even while maybe understanding on a *rational* level that maybe that's not such a good thing. And yet the insistence remains, because rational processes are not guiding this ship. The stars being used to navigate this ship are emotional ones. We're angry, we want other people to show that anger, so that we can feel vindicated in our anger. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:44 PM Sure, we want vindication. However. I think anger at things like that is a natural reaction to conservatives continually getting stabbed in the back, sold out, and treated like lap dogs until they need our votes and then and only then do they say something that vindicates our anger. Then they go right back to backstabbing us. So when we sense that they are giving any quarter to the other side it stings even more.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 12:52 PM (C3Wjb)

239 >>>What did McCain and Romney do? Not attack anyone. Romney didn't attack Obama in his speeches, or that debate in which he cleaned his clock and embarrassed him on the national stage...? Tell me more.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (/FnUH)

240

Beck is a bit weepy for my tastes, but I cut him some slack.

 

I wouldn't expect a Carthaginian to strike the perfect tone either when espousing on their misgivings towards the Romans.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (f/s0F)

241 I haven't seen a damn thing from Beck since he left Fox News.While he was there I watched his show,at least a little,just about every day.I guess it worked out for him financially.

Posted by: steevy at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (zqvg6)

242 Really? Obama didn't do that? Hope and Change. Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 04:51 PM (RJMhd) __________ And what was the Change part? It was change from this ruthless dictator called George W. Bush. Hope was vote for me and there will be hope to get you out of this oppressive situation. If I had a dime for every time Obama said "policies of the past 8 years" in 2008 I'd be very rich.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (0LHZx)

243 Flatbush Joe: One caveat, when Dr. Savage was at his peak exposure, he was bringing in ratings second only to Rush.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (l5ZHm)

244 101 --- Mike Hammer---"I weary of the Us vs. Us stuff." This. We need all kinds of voices on our side. Different approaches and personalities that appeal to different people. I can find fault with nearly anybody. I may personally dislike certain styles. But I appreciate those who are out there fighting.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (dfYL9)

245 "So either I have to concede the Left was behaving perfectly rationally in 2003, or I have to fault the right for aping them in their wilder bouts of emotionalism. I have to choose the latter." Option C The left was hysterical about Bush for no good reason while the right is rightfully furious at Obama for his daily attacks on everything we hold dear.

Posted by: Lauren at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (hFL/3)

246 As do I. That comment was aimed at the Ewok, and was merely intended to suggest that those with wives and children tend to take life a little more seriously than others, and their threshold regarding what is 'shriek worthy' is likely to be lower. ********** Okay Mike I got ya. Great comment then. Makes me think twice about my assumptions. The problem could be mine.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (RJMhd)

247 Romney didn't attack the moral underpinnings of Obama and the Left the way the Left constantly attacked the moral underpinnings of Romney and the Right.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:53 PM (ZPrif)

248 not offering flowery sunshine bullshit rhetoric. ******** Really? Obama didn't do that? Hope and Change. He also didn't let up on the attack.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2014 12:54 PM (t+DWU)

249 Other than Hannity, none of them were on TV. And Hannity, while generally right, is too much of a blockhead to have an effect.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:43 PM (4YUWF)

 

 

---------------------------------------------------

 

 

Hannity can't debate worth  a shit.  But he's on our side and I appreciate his efforts, just like I appreciate anyone that takes a chance to speak out against the common enemies  of this nation.  We need all the voices we can get.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2014 12:54 PM (Qf+FR)

250 Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:48 PM

I think the global warming scam has had a lot to do with this.  People have a calling to bring the US economic activity down in order to save the planet.  Not to save the workers of the planet as in communism,  but the actual planet.  It's sick and it's worked.

Posted by: Dang at January 22, 2014 12:54 PM (MNq6o)

251

Kaboomocracy.

 

That's what made the man cry.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2014 12:54 PM (fsLdt)

252 And what was the Change part? It was change from this ruthless dictator called George W. Bush. Hope was vote for me and there will be hope to get you out of this oppressive situation. If I had a dime for every time Obama said "policies of the past 8 years" in 2008 I'd be very rich. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 04:53 PM (0LHZx) ********* Correct. But Obama still spun bullshit. Like the hope of diminishing the race divide--for starters.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (RJMhd)

253 Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:48 PM (/FnUH) There are things you can change... and things beyond your control.... The key is differentiating between the two... and realizing that what category things are in, changes over time. Right now I am in a place of Stoicism. I feel betrayed by Washington... and in my case Sacramento... but feel its time to hunker down, and save energy for when things get REALLY bad... and I can affect change...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (84gbM)

254 And that's why we will never win anything ever again. But we can all wear our moral purity to keep warm in the camps. And just in passing, I'm not advocating "groupthink", I'm talking about rational self-interest leading us to support each other rather than tearing down. Criticize, yes, but also support to the death. Ronald Reagan, remember him, said something about "if I agree with someone 51%, he's an ally, not an enemy".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (SwHqo)

255

Sometimes you have to hit rock  bottom before you  realize that real action is needed.   The doomsayers may or may not have that in mind . 

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (m2CN7)

256 Those not paying attention the 'Borking' of Tim Scott ought to. It is classic Democratic machine politics at work. Media cooperation, of course. Oh..., and the 'non-political' NAACP also. In fact the NAACP is at the heart of it.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (aDwsi)

257 Beck is a good guy who's done some great things. Hopefully he'll do more.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 04:51 PM (ZPrif)

 

I listen to Beck almost every day for an hour of so on the radio.

 

Beck is right on alot of things and gets thing really wrong too.

 

Beck was a LiV untill he was 35 or so.

 

Beck grasp of history is challenging.  Some history he knows a ton about others not so much.

 

Ask Beck about Charlemange, Charles Martel, etc. I bet he'd just blink at you

 

 

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (q+zA9)

258 Romney didn't attack Obama in his speeches, or that debate in which he cleaned his clock and embarrassed him on the national stage...?

Tell me more.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:53 PM (/FnUH)

 

Romney did not rip out Obama's spine and beat Candy Crowley to death with it, so he didn't attack Obama at all.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 22, 2014 12:55 PM (hLRSq)

259 Romney didn't attack Obama in his speeches, or that debate in which he cleaned his clock and embarrassed him on the national stage...? Tell me more. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:53 PM (/FnUH) _________ Come on Ace. You're telling me Romney went negative to the extent Obama did? Are you forgetting the part when Obama accused Romeny of killing a man's wife? Or when he was accused of not paying taxes for 20 years? Or when he was accused of torturing his dog?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 12:56 PM (0LHZx)

260 236 Jack Straw, "Yeah" uh Jack ther a reason the the democrats like Labour in England is hot to flood us with 1/3d "newer, better Americans".... We are nevr coming back as an Anglic nation, and our foreign policy will be sucking Islam's dick... I hate my political foe so completely I am looking forward to my twilight.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2014 12:56 PM (TE35l)

261 What made us exceptional was not something inherent, but our devotion to a specific and exceptional ideal.

But as we've largely abandoned that ideal, we are no longer exceptional. The ideal made us exceptional, nothing particular in the American blood or anything.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:48 PM (/FnUH)


The Founders gave us that ideal, but we got high and decided it was too much like work!!

Posted by: Barky O'Choomba at January 22, 2014 12:56 PM (o3MSL)

262 255 Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you realize that real action is needed. The doomsayers may or may not have that in mind . Posted by: polynikes

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You're right. No whiskey for me tonight.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2014 12:56 PM (OZmbA)

263 " I think of it as 'Grim Resignation to Futility, Defeat, and Doom.'"
================================

And with that, Ace perfectly encapsulates what I've been feeling. I've stopped worrying about what might happen because I know what's going to happen. Now I'm simply planning for when the SHTF. Not so much for me, but rather my children.

Posted by: physics geek at January 22, 2014 12:56 PM (MT22W)

264 Obama said: Romney was a rich asshole who didn't care about the poor or black people or anyone who wasn't a rich, white Christian. He's also a no-good liar. Romney said: Obama's basically a good guy. And smart, too. But he's just wrong about his ideas for the economy and he's been less that truthful about certain issues.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (ZPrif)

265 What Beck did or did not do is not really relevant. What he is trying to do is move himself more into the mainstream and have more effect. Because the cultural mainstream is what is killing us, literally. It's the mainstream "pop" culture that is killing us. It gives us droves of thoughtless voters, and makes voting for Barack Obama an "American Idol" show. Gee, all the cool people on TV LOVE OBama. Most everybody on this blog that comments, etc., is OUT of the cultural mainstream. I don't mean that as a point or criticism, but we have removed ourselves from it because it is POISON. Sometimes I watch TV and I think "Just how dumb are people for believing all this shit?" I mean, let's all talk about Richard Sherman.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (RFeQD)

266 So either I have to concede the Left was behaving perfectly rationally in 2003, or I have to fault the right for aping them in their wilder bouts of emotionalism.

I have to choose the latter.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:51 PM (/FnUH)

 

 

That is what inspired the whole "Outrage Outlet" thing in my nic.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Mid Winter sale! Thinly Veiled Contempt 1/2 Off! at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (hLRSq)

267 He  should  have  tried  to  glue  the  country  together,  like  me.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (w41GQ)

268 And what was the Change part? It was change from this ruthless dictator called George W. Bush. -------------- I don't think that is what Obama meant. I think he meant a fundamental change in America.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (aDwsi)

269 >>How did Obama win in 2008? By attacking Bush relentlessly. >>How did Obama win in 2012? By attacking Romney/Bain and rich people relentlessly. >>What did McCain and Romney do? Not attack anyone. >>In today's age you win elections by attacking, not offering flowery sunshine bullshit rhetoric. The left gets this. The right, for some reason, does not. Pretty small sample size and you conveniently left out the part about McCain actually leading Obama right before the financial meltdown and Obama having the power of incumbency against Romney. I think people are getting damn sick and tired of constant attack. It doesn't mean shit to someone who is out of work or just lost their health insurance. Atmosphere and environment matter a hell of lot more than most people admit. 2014 is setting up to be a bloodbath for the Dems and nobody has done any character assassination on our side. Facts speak a hell of a lot louder than attack ads.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (g1DWB)

270 Ronald Reagan, remember him, said something about "if I agree with someone 51%, he's an ally, not an enemy".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 22, 2014 04:55 PM (SwHqo)

 

That's the united rhetoric ace was referring to.    

Posted by: polynikes at January 22, 2014 12:57 PM (m2CN7)

271 Ah who to attack. That is the issue. Well, that should be driven by what do people hate? The system. An all intrusive government. Career politicians. Special interests. Even the media, or at least don't trust them. Attack these issues relentlessly. Paint our opponents as the defenders of these issues. Guess what, THEY ARE. Attacking "democrats" is simply wrong. A lot of good people vote democrat. We need to get the targets right.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 12:58 PM (l5ZHm)

272 267 He should have tried to glue the country together, like me. Posted by: Anthony Weiner
<<

Heh.  Can you text "glue?"

Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2014 12:58 PM (OZmbA)

273 Hey, I got alotta Henny-Penny stuff in my my pants pal!!


Posted by: the guy that has everything in his pants at January 22, 2014 12:58 PM (wmU4G)

274 Glenn Beck is awesome. He was almost single handedly responsible for the rise of the Tea Party crazy and the insane unelectable internal divisions within the GOP. Glenn Beck almost by himself got Obama elected and his continuing legacy got Obama reelected. Kudos Mr Beck. You did your country a great favor.

Posted by: John at January 22, 2014 12:59 PM (KOp/H)

275 Ace writes: "What made us exceptional was not something inherent, but our devotion to a specific and exceptional ideal...." I think there you are wrong. It might be that the majority of people are not devoted. But it might be that the majority never have been. It wasn't the majority who even wanted to separate and fight the British! It wasn't really the 'majority' in 2010 when we swept to giant victories through the Tea Party. It wasn't the 'majority' who really wanted Obama -- but extraoridinary circumstances. We've always had LIV voters. We've survived the Civil War (many wanted to break up then) where we slaughtered each other. We've had draft riots, three president shot between the years 1865 - 1901. Reconstruction, Depressions, Communist Unions, W. Wilson -- heck just read the history between Hamilton and Jefferson -- they hated each other and thought each would ruin the country! We will survive because THE important 'minority' in our Republic will save us again, right this ship -- as it always has. Geez...

Posted by: Alix at January 22, 2014 12:59 PM (56HR4)

276 9 OT: any body see the live feeds from Kiev? Posted by: NCwoof at January 22, 2014 04:10 PM (aUQgu) Did the rioting flare up again?

Posted by: joncelli at January 22, 2014 12:59 PM (/AYWV)

277 bwhahahahahah Ann Coulter on Wendy Davis Her story is the story of millions of Texas women? Only if their name is Anna Nicole Smith

Posted by: thunderb at January 22, 2014 12:59 PM (zOTsN)

278 I  tried  so  hard.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 22, 2014 12:59 PM (w41GQ)

279 What made us exceptional was not something inherent, but our devotion to a specific and exceptional ideal. But as we've largely abandoned that ideal, we are no longer exceptional. The ideal made us exceptional, nothing particular in the American blood or anything. Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:48 PM (/FnUH) ********** Well there is a whole theory that what made us exceptional was something physical-- America always had a frontier. It even went out to space--when the West was Won. That's why losing is NASA is more than what it might seem to be on first glance. Now I don't know where the new frontier might be--is it virtual? Hell if I know--but there's something inherently not real--or physical about that. It isn't going to feel as good. (Damn it I know some of you guys prefer the pron but you all know what the hell I am trying to say.)

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 01:00 PM (RJMhd)

280 Hannity's Happy Warrior thing is nice, but he's not that quick on his feet and he's not very good at turning a phrase. I agree with him but don't find him convincing. Beck is better at radio because, like Rush, he grew up wanting to be on radio, wanting to be an entertainer -- before he go into right-wing talk and punditry. Beck and Rush were entertainer's first. And that's why they are better at. Hannity is remarkably successful at it for someone that, imo, it doesn't come naturally to.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 01:00 PM (ZPrif)

281 MSNBC calling people "Davis Truthers" and crying sexism

Posted by: thunderb at January 22, 2014 01:00 PM (zOTsN)

282

EBT cards can be used to buy pot on CO.

 

Kaboom.

Posted by: eleven at January 22, 2014 01:00 PM (fsLdt)

283 274 John, Yawn go suck Obama and King Fahd's shriveled dick.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2014 01:01 PM (TE35l)

284 >>>This is the problem I'm on about: Some of us are so angry we are determined to see our anger reflected, *explicitly,* in our leaders, even while maybe understanding on a *rational* level that maybe that's not such a good thing.

Speaking as one that leans to the angry side, I'm not sure I agree.  I want my leaders to hold the line.  They don't have to be angry, just not cowering wusses.

Posted by: dogfish at January 22, 2014 01:01 PM (nsOJa)

285 2014 is setting up to be a bloodbath for the Dems and nobody has done any character assassination on our side. Facts speak a hell of a lot louder than attack ads. Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 04:57 PM (g1DWB) ________ Don't count those chickens yet.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 01:01 PM (0LHZx)

286 Come on Ace. You're telling me Romney went negative to the extent Obama did? Are you forgetting the part when Obama accused Romeny of killing a man's wife? Or when he was accused of not paying taxes for 20 years? Or when he was accused of torturing his dog?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 22, 2014 04:56 PM (0LHZx)

the difference is, Mr Rocket Surgeon, that Romney did it man-to-man, on stage, in front of the nation.  Obama did it through his little puppets, like the pussy he is.

THEN, Romney's staff, also rocket surgeons, decided winning a debate was detrimental.

You can't buy stupidity on this level, you just can't.

Posted by: tangonine at January 22, 2014 01:01 PM (x3YFz)

287 Sven274 is a troll

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 22, 2014 01:02 PM (q+zA9)

288 I keep seeing the Five references, a show I enjoy very much. I would say that Ace's style is a much more in depth, much more biting and funnier commentary than Gutfeld. Gutfeld is the short bus of hip, witty, edgy conservative commentary and humor. Ace is the long bus. And should reach much more people. Perhaps an opinion column on the Blaze? I liked the idea of your commentary on the Breibart Conversation website.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 22, 2014 01:02 PM (l5ZHm)

289 Good thing is, I think, future media will have less central control. Which means leftists boycotts will be less effective. I think.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 01:02 PM (ZPrif)

290 Nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2014 01:02 PM (t+DWU)

291 I wish I could understand this, it seems important, but it gives me a headache.

Posted by: Uri Pentilope at January 22, 2014 01:03 PM (a5enN)

292 nood

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 01:03 PM (/FnUH)

293 Beck and Rush are more like Howard Stern. Kids who grew up dreaming of being on the radio someday.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 22, 2014 01:03 PM (ZPrif)

294 "Ronald Reagan, remember him, said something about "if I agree with someone 51%, he's an ally, not an enemy". " ---- I believe the quote more accurately is "My 80 percent friend is not my 20 percent enemy".

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 22, 2014 01:03 PM (7mQyC)

295 >> Ace is the long bus.<<


Something we have in common.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 22, 2014 01:03 PM (OZmbA)

296 Hmm. Time to walk the dog. 22 Deg out side. Ugh.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 01:04 PM (aDwsi)

297 Who's nude?

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 22, 2014 01:04 PM (OZmbA)

298

The main reason Odictator won in 2008 was not because he attacked Bush, he simply won because he was black.  Pure and simple, if it offends it offends, but I don't know how many people thought that the country would finally be rid of the scar of slavery and the relentless calls of racism if he won.  Not to mention the billions of dollars in free advertising and cover he received from the MFM.

Limbaugh told them the race wars would get worse and it did.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2014 01:04 PM (n0DEs)

299 Glenn Beck is awesome. He was almost single handedly responsible for the rise of the Tea Party crazy and the insane unelectable internal divisions within the GOP. Glenn Beck almost by himself got Obama elected and his continuing legacy got Obama reelected. Kudos Mr Beck. You did your country a great favor. Posted by: John at January 22, 2014 04:59 PM No, who is responsible for getting Obama elected is the MFM the LIV and FSA who only ask what their country can do for it. And as for internal divisions within the GOP. That's the GOP's fault and no one else. When they continually treat the conservative wing of the party with open contempt and then expect is to keep voting for them then they have left me as a party. Take a look at immigration. They are going to sell us down the river (again) on a major issue that most conservatives and moderates agree on. Yet the gatekeepers of their RNC money want it so we'll get it, party be dammed. He's not my favorite media persona but NONE of that is Beck's fault

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 22, 2014 01:05 PM (C3Wjb)

300 285 Mr Moo Moo Correct when the Poppin' Fresh, Paul Ryan, Joh Boehner GOP passes Amigo Grande! I will never vote straight ticket GOP again and I will vote straight ticket D in 2014 to make a point.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2014 01:05 PM (TE35l)

301 I'm only going to say this once : Leave Mark Steyn alone.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 22, 2014 01:05 PM (DpEwG)

302 I have looked over into the future. Ace "nood"ing his own post.
There's your pillory.
This had better be good. Come on, Willow, let's go.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 22, 2014 01:06 PM (xq1UY)

303 >>Don't count those chickens yet. Never do. But how about you stop with the sky is falling stuff? This country always swings to the left and then to the right. Yes, its easier to swing to the left because it doesn't require any logic or reasoning, just pure emotion. There's a reason that groups like the Tea Party came to front, why more conservatives have been elected in both houses, why Gallup reports today that 66% of Americans think the federal government is too big. We are primed for a turn to the right because the country is primed for a turn to the right and a good deal of that has to do with the failures of the left, not character attacks.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 01:06 PM (g1DWB)

304

I couldn't take Beck on tv the time or two I watched him because he has crazy eyes. Right or wrong, he came off like a batshit conspiracy theorist to me and that just is not something I'm into.

 

I do think he scared the shit out of people, based on what some of my friends and family said. I don't know if that's good or bad, but I can't see that it was particularly useful because when you are trying to swing politics, you are trying to get at the middle and he was never going to do that.

 

What we need is a smart positive funny guy that can't be demonized.

Posted by: Lea at January 22, 2014 01:06 PM (lIU4e)

305

I do not see a GOP wave coming.

 

The potential is there. Plenty of angry people out there, and plenty of Dem targets to aim it at.

 

That's just not what the GOP does. Too uncomfortable. Too nasty.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 22, 2014 01:07 PM (f/s0F)

306 2014 is setting up to be a bloodbath for the Dems and nobody has done any character assassination on our side. Facts speak a hell of a lot louder than attack ads. Posted by: JackStraw From the perspective of January 2014, it "looks like" a bloodbath for the Democrats, but honestly, I doubt it. I expect the Republicans to pick up a net of two or three Senate seats, and maybe a half dozen more seats in the house. Big deal. And Obama will still be Prezzidentin'. It's hard. You have to have something to beat something. You can't fight something with nothing. The Republican Party has no unifying message to campaign on. Money will be collected and spent. The political consultants will prosper. Generic revulsion of the Democrats is high, but these people have to show up to vote. When the voting day comes in November, a lot of people won't show up because there is "nothing" to vote FOR.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 22, 2014 01:08 PM (RFeQD)

307 256 Those not paying attention the 'Borking' of Tim Scott ought to. It is classic Democratic machine politics at work. Media cooperation, of course. Oh..., and the 'non-political' NAACP also. In fact the NAACP is at the heart of it. Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 22, 2014 04:55 PM (aDwsi) *********** Thanks for the info. Florida---man o man.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 01:08 PM (RJMhd)

308 He wants to be the Rush Limbaugh of television. Not the same personality, but the same stature.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 22, 2014 01:09 PM (DmNpO)

309 This seems apropos here. I go back and forth on Christopher Nolan as I think he is phenomenally talented but he can also be a bit too technically oriented at times. That being said, the teaser for Interstellar made me cry. http://youtu.be/3WzHXI5HizQ Those two minutes seem to sums things up nicely. We've forgotten who we are. We shouldn't.

Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 01:12 PM (VtjlW)

310 Great, now we can't even like Bacon. Any other 16th century philosophers off the menu?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2014 01:14 PM (ZshNr)

311 On his worst day while he was at Fox, Beck was smarter, more informing, and clear-minded than all of NBC, ABC, CBS, and PMSNBC together. Sure, he could have dialed down the purple prose and exclamation points some, but he had a lot of good things to say then, and he still does now.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 22, 2014 01:14 PM (lJaja)

312 And, wrong thread.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 22, 2014 01:14 PM (ZshNr)

313 Those not paying attention the 'Borking' of Tim Scott ought to. It is classic Democratic machine politics at work. Media cooperation, of course. Oh..., and the 'non-political' NAACP also. In fact the NAACP is at the heart of it. Posted by: Mike Hammer See, this is the difference between the Democrats and Republicans. The Democrats are absolutely NOT afraid to go for the jugular and be really nasty, through their machine and surrogates (the Media), and get away with it. Maybe "Faux News" will be critical, but they get blown off by a lot of people. Tim Scott will lose re-election, in South Carolina. Bank on it now. They play dirty, every body gets on the stupid message, and the Republican Senatorial election committee will sit on it's thumb up it's ass. This is the reason why the Republicans will pick up a net of 2 or 3 seats in the Senate.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 22, 2014 01:15 PM (RFeQD)

314 Ask Beck about Charlemange, Charles Martel, etc. I bet he'd just blink at you

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 22, 2014 04:55 PM (q+zA9)


That's true of most people. Is that supposed to be exceptional on Beck's part?

Posted by: [/i]KG at January 22, 2014 01:20 PM (p7BzH)

315 Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 04:43 PM (4YUWF) --- That is true. It is a shame that Breitbart is dead, though. I trusted him, and Beck showed his true colors when Breitbart died. Posted by: Baldy at January 22, 2014 04:50 PM (2bql3) What did Beck do when Andrew died? I never watched his television show. It was on at five and once or twice I put it on when I happened to be visiting my mother at the nursing home and paying more attention to her than him. BeckÂ’s television show with the blackboards, etc didnÂ’t appeal to me. I like his radio show, heÂ’s funny. I listen to it on my way to work in my car.

Posted by: Carol at January 22, 2014 01:21 PM (z4WKX)

316 A righty who can't be demonized? Maybe Reagan, but that was 30 years ago. And even then, God knows they tried. Now? I don't think such a person exists. Even if we had Jesus himself spreading our message, the left and the media (BIRM) would rip him to shreds within a couple of weeks.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 22, 2014 01:22 PM (iXvqX)

317 "What I took away from his chalkboard lecture was that anything we did was doomed, futile, stupid, and advanced one dangerous enemy or the other." Yeah, I think that about covers the last five years. I don't see it getting any better either.

Posted by: OffendedMan at January 22, 2014 01:23 PM (ChM8W)

318 309 This seems apropos here. I go back and forth on Christopher Nolan as I think he is phenomenally talented but he can also be a bit too technically oriented at times. That being said, the teaser for Interstellar made me cry. http://youtu.be/3WzHXI5HizQ Those two minutes seem to sums things up nicely. We've forgotten who we are. We shouldn't. Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 22, 2014 05:12 PM (VtjlW) *********** Christopher Nolan is the bomb. Never doubt. Plus have you seen him and his brother? Hawt. Thanks for the link!

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 01:27 PM (RJMhd)

319 Ack--forgot to say thanks for the link.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 01:27 PM (RJMhd)

320 Wow....oy. Just got thinking about those two Nolan brothers and lost it. Now I know why Ace double posts.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 22, 2014 01:28 PM (RJMhd)

321 Actually you usually win political battles while calling for people to come together in harmony and goodwill while ruthlessly shivving your opponents while you piously call for us to all be united.

Posted by: ace at January 22, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH)


And the truth shall set you free.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 22, 2014 01:33 PM (0XBx+)

322 303 Posted by: JackStraw at January 22, 2014 05:06 PM (g1DWB) --- Forget Reagan (or any GOPer), we have been trending leftward for a hundred years.

Posted by: Baldy at January 22, 2014 01:50 PM (2bql3)

323 Has Rush recovered his lost ad revenue?

Posted by: Goatweed at January 22, 2014 02:13 PM (8HrdX)

324 >>AllenG suggests this is all about attempting to get TimeWarner and ComCast to pick up his cable channel.

Late to thread/whole site, work kicked my butt today, but yeah he mentioned on the radio today that he is *thisclose* to getting his cable channel picked up by a major company. Asked people to call their cable providers, flood the phones. He's been big on people coming together for a few months, so his comments tie in nicely with that. Getting your name in the news for wishing for more harmony? Not a bad move.

Hope the deal happens, we need more than just FOX news to rely on to get conservative viewpoints heard.

Posted by: LizLem at January 22, 2014 02:24 PM (BF+2f)

325 130 Yes, we were in a dark place as well by the end of His Baptist Holiness Jimmah Carter's reign in 1978-79 when I was coming of age at 21 and beginning to be self-aware politically (Though I had been mesmerized by a certain speech by Ronald Wilson Reagan on TV several years earlier, thinking, 'Damn, that politician makes a lot of sense.') At the end of Carter a lot of people had a lot of cynicism about the future of the country. We were in economic malaise. The best way to describe it is everything cost ten times more that it did ten years before and you couldn't get a job if you wanted one, at least in my part of the country. Inflation had been with us forever and we were "running out of oil" and the climate was "cooling toward an ice age." Americans were being held hostage in Iran by a bunch of crazed Islamos who loved chanting and burning flags (not much changes, huh?). Fashions were post-hippy disco, long hair and beards, kind of ugly pants. And what makes living more miserable than ugly bell-bottomed pants? The sexual revolution had come and come again and come one more time and in my high school people smoked pot in class right before the teacher came. Then Reagan was elected. The Islamos caved immediately ( I still wonder what was said/traded ) and released the hostages. Attitudes went from sour to hopeful. Fashions morphed from hippy-disco wide lapel polyester to three piece suits and shorter haircuts with still too long sideburns, then no sideburns. (the scourge of the mullet came along, but what can you say?) Then just two years later the economy really began turning around (and leftists really started screaming about it. it wasn't fair! ). People got really optimistic. In short -- sorry I know this was anything but short -- the vision and optimism and plan of one man, and his ability to communicate and lead, turned the country around. So. It can be done. That's all. Everything is not hopeless. Posted by: Sphynx at January 22, 2014 04:32 PM (OZmbA) I remember it just like you said. I still can't hear Reagan's voice without getting misty. I miss the way he made me feel about America. I miss the sense of pride and optimism. I get a glimmer of that old feeling again when I hear the optimism in the words and voice of Ted Cruz.

Posted by: Parteagirl at January 22, 2014 02:30 PM (Plx/u)

326 Beck is a live conspiracy blog and, as such, you have to take him as entertainment with maybe a scintilla of real information rolled in.  Like when the conspiracy blogs have real time reporting on a train problem or the WV water problem.  Otherwise they are mostly entertaining people with vivid imaginations. 

Maybe Beck, new grandchild on board is realizing that he's made a lot of people annoyed and they've stopped watching.  Promising "big news" and then delivering nothing sort of makes people turn away.

Michael Savage, being wholly sabotaged by wabc radio as they aren't carrying his third hour employing the services of two dimwits instead, talked about credibility today as regards Hannity.  Savage called Hannity out as soon as he made his emotional statement that he was leaving new york.  Those who know him know he's not going anywhere and he was just reacting with his heart and not his head.  Savage rightly called him out saying he'd be damaging his credibility if he continued in this vein. 

Credibility in a radio host, in a blogger, in a writer with a column is very important.  It helps you keep your audience.  People know they can trust what you say and do and count on you to give them the truth even if it tastes like castor oil.  More importantly they know you won't compromise your core values to keep your job or make more money.

As time goes on, Beck's audience is getting the sense that he's now suddenly willing to compromise his core values to make sure his mega company gets more mega and brings more money.  Hiring someone like dana shows this.  I guess he could have hired Anne instead but I guess he wanted a dark hared talking head and not a blond one as he's already hired laurie duie and was now letting her waste her talents reading the news.

I'd bet Beck has lost a lot of his audience.  People want someone who is genuine and credible.  Beck may be both but lately he's not coming off that way.  Lately he's coming off as the guy who has backed off of anything controversial in favor of pure entertainment and growing the beck mega mercury.

Posted by: think at January 22, 2014 03:20 PM (OroYa)

327 #326 Posted by: think at January 22, 2014 07:20 PM I really am doubting the credibility of Mark Levin these days too. With his constant selling of his book about the stupid Freedom amendments that cannot pass 3/4 the states! And the Freedom Works commercials to further the divide between the so called establishment and the Tea Party. I think he is a little imbalanced like Beck. Has anyone heard his show from years ago when his dog died and he was so depressed he was going to retire. It was weird...

Posted by: Alix at January 22, 2014 03:34 PM (56HR4)

328 Folks, who was gonna tell us about the crooks in the White House? The Caliphate? All that other democrat/islamocommunist plot stuff? Sure wasn't going to be 'media'. We will never be able to repay Beck for his service to America. And, damnit, he's right more than not. Limbaugh, Beck, Levin, and to some extent Hannity, have earned their keep. Don't muzzle the ox that treads out the corn.

Posted by: Erowmero at January 22, 2014 04:19 PM (OONaw)

329 Posted by: Erowmero at January 22, 2014 08:19 PM (OONaw)

Here's the problem with all of these guys.  They give the impression that they all know a lot more than they are saying as if they can't say what they know or they'll lose their programs. This frustrates a lot of people who think they are playing games.  Beck made a huge deal about some announcement about the Saudis and then suddenly never mentioned it again.  Bet he lost a lot of his audience over that one.  A running joke on a lot of blogs is "glen beck is going to make a huge announcement, in the third hour, so keep listening".  That's not a good reputation to cultivate cause when you do have something important to say, like the little boy who cried wolf, no one will be there to hear it.

Posted by: think at January 22, 2014 07:08 PM (OroYa)

330 Posted by: Alix at January 22, 2014 07:34 PM (56HR4)

I loved the mark levin who used to be a guest on hannity.  He was always interesting and you could listen to him for hours.  Over the course of his program, that guy has disappeared.  And, I am close to someone who faithfully listens every single day.  They think his feelings were hurt when rush and sean fled to the coast to coast am network leaving him behind.

Posted by: think at January 22, 2014 07:10 PM (OroYa)

331 If The Blaze avoids being Beck's personal soap box and instead becomes a legitimate cable channel, I betcha it will be beating MSNBC in the ratings within the year.

Posted by: midwestconservative at January 22, 2014 07:23 PM (eFTkY)

332 What do rodeo clowns do?  They save the cowboy that has fallen.

Posted by: Muddywood at January 22, 2014 08:48 PM (6l7jN)

333

Glenn Beck tells people to do their own research; unfortunately, most Americans only repeat Democratic talking points.  Hopefully a few on the right WILL do their own research.

 

Posted by: burt at January 23, 2014 07:30 AM (1+kJ5)

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