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January 08, 2014

Glenn Beck: "Let's not become what we despise"
— Ace

A general call for a detente in the War of Outrageous Outrage, and absolves Melissa Harris-Perry of the charge of intentional mean-spiritedness towards the newest Romney.

Needless to say, BeckÂ’s graciousness towards an opponent wonÂ’t be repaid the next time he says something controversial. Which he knows, of course. This is an argument about decency for its own sake, not some proposed truce in the outrage wars which everyone understands wonÂ’t last a day.

Right, there's not much to be gained tactically here -- the Left doesn't honor truces; they are forever at war with the society that shelters them -- but there is always the matter of virtue for its own sake.

One thing I'd continue to point out, however, is per Melissa Harris-Perry's own rules, what she said was racist. I don't believe that, of course. Yes, we do notice a single black face in a sea of white ones. It's human nature. And Melissa Harris Perry proves that even minorities notice this.

And use it as the jumping-off point for race-conscious jokes. Every joke they made was goofing on the baby for being different.

Does anyone doubt that, roles reversed, Melissa Harris Perry would have called Glenn Beck a racist for noticing, say, that the very-white Elizabeth Warren family had adopted a black kid?

Of course, Glenn Beck wouldn't have done this -- not because doing so would have been racist, but because doing so would have been falsely and absurdly alleged to be racist.

The Left doesn't bother to observe the rules they inflict on everyone else, obviously. And we must always point this out. For example, only someone comfortably on the Left could possibly write, and then have published, an article essentially accusing Catholics on the Supreme Court of dual-loyalty to the Vatican.

This sort of general anti-Catholic attack -- How can we trust Catholics to abide US policy when they're acting agents of the Papist Peril? -- has been considered rude and intellectually bankrupt since at least the mid-sixties, and yet here's a Leftist In Good Standing impugning Catholics' ability to discharge their duties as government officers owing to a spiritually allegiance to a foreign power.

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1 Fourth!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 11:55 AM (U1Tts)

2 HR, YK

Posted by: pcoast at January 08, 2014 11:56 AM (s72VS)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:57 AM (PYAXX)

4 The first step in successfully implementing The Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) is yours.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (XrGnJ)

5 Glenn and John Boehner seem to be hanging out at the same tanning palours.

Posted by: EC at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (GQ8sn)

6 >>>the very-white Elizabeth Warren family had adopted a black kid?<<<

HOW dare you???

Posted by: Suckagawea Warren at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (lbIW8)

7 Fen's Law. C'est Ã§a .

Posted by: Jenny at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (RJMhd)

8 HR, YK

No.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (ZKzrr)

9 MtTB to Glenn Beck: Never yell "Cease Fire!" until the enemy throws their weapons down and their hands up.........

Posted by: MtTB at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (lQCe+)

10 To the leftists (progressive) loyalty to the party line is everything, it's the only thing.

Posted by: Some (unknown) guy somewhere at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (XzUOa)

11 A general call for a detente in the War of Outrageous Outrage The major stumbling block to this is that the Left will never, ever, never in a zillion years call a detente on outrageous outrage. Never. Can't say it enough. Never. Not gonna happen. The sooner The Stupid Party gets this through their thick, addled skulls the better. And as for Beck the Crying Loon, I have watched the MHP clip several times and it was disgusting. If someone at Faux Noise had said that about, say, Bill DeStalino's kid...the howling rage would still be raging, and someone at FNC would be fired by now. You know it's true.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 12:00 PM (7ObY1)

12 Here's the deal, and I kind of think Glenn misses this. The media is both the battleground AND the enemy. We're not talking about (at least I'm not) whether or not they're going to Hell. I don't know about that, that's between them and God (whether they realize/acknowledge that or not). However, while I may be a Citizen-Subject of God's Heavenly Kingdom, I have to live in this world. And living in this world means certain things. The MHPs of the world think that it should mean they get to decide, not just how I act, but how I *believe.* I owe them no decency about things like this. The political arena will (and should!) remain no-holds-barred until the Left is defeated.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:00 PM (PYAXX)

13 By the way, did you hear that Tom Hanks died falling off a spliff?

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 08, 2014 12:01 PM (QF8uk)

14 I'm kind of digging Beck's white hair/beard.

Posted by: Lauren at January 08, 2014 12:01 PM (hFL/3)

15 Mercy is the mark of a great man...guess I'm just a good one...well, I'm alright. /ignites flamethrower

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 08, 2014 12:01 PM (naUcP)

16 I won't make a direct analogy. But I will say Republicans are not doing themselves a favor. Both in the way various factions interact with each other and the way they interact with the opposition.

Look at the Gallup Poll from today that finds a record low number of people declare themselves Republicans. It is time for everyone to take a real good look in the mirror. Because the level and type of dialogue today is vitriolic, not constructive and devoid of any modicum of respect.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:02 PM (GGCsk)

Who says I despise it?

A lot of us come from the Left, originally. Those of us who do, we know the tactics. We know, too, what levels of aggression there are and how ugly those will be. Not would be, if ... - but will be.

We need to give it back in spades. Silence = Death, as they say.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 12:02 PM (3ZtZW)

18 Does anyone doubt that, roles reversed, Melissa Harris Perry would have called Glenn Beck a racist for noticing, say, that the very-white Elizabeth Warren family had adopted a black kid?

Not for a m'fin' second.

Further, she lied in her apology. She *did* intend for the news piece to be fodder for the four f'ing comedians on the panel.

Doesn't matter to us at all; we're not the aggrieved. She's a flaming hypocrite liar.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 12:02 PM (dwArK)

19 >>>I'm kind of digging Beck's white hair/beard.<<<

Word.

Posted by: Tim Allen in the Santa Claus at January 08, 2014 12:03 PM (lbIW8)

20 If you want to avoid being victim of a Papist, you need a Pape- whistle.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 12:04 PM (ZshNr)

21 Oh my gosh, you're right. It is *totally* Tim Allen in the Santa Claus. Which, shamefully, is one of my favorite Christmas movies.

Posted by: Lauren at January 08, 2014 12:04 PM (hFL/3)

22 yet here's a Leftist In Good Standing impugning Catholics' ability to discharge their duties as government officers owing to a spiritually allegiance to a foreign power.

--------------------

Hmmmmmm.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 08, 2014 12:04 PM (P6QsQ)

23 I, for one, believe that there was a giant opportunity missed by Romney to get a jab in at the idiots as MSLSD for their constant attacks of Pubbies and conservatives. At some point, the Left's BS has to reach a critical mass with the public. Then we can sorta stand aside and say, "See? This is what we're talking about. You can't even do something as innocent as adopt a child without being criticized by these people. Nothing we do is right in their eyes."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (0HooB)

24 Because the level and type of dialogue today is vitriolic, not constructive and devoid of any modicum of respect. Posted by: Marcus -------------------- Most disturbing is when it is among ourselves. Beck has as much flack from the Left as anyone, and stands his ground. I'm not going to go on a rant about this deal and declare him persona non grata.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (aDwsi)

25 This sort of general anti-Catholic attack -- How can we trust Catholics to abide US policy when they're acting agents of the Papist Peril? -- has been considered rude and intellectually bankrupt since at least the mid-sixties As usual, lefties use the very attacks that they condemned in the past (the dual-loyalty thing was a common attack against JFK)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (jKE+l)

26 Mercy is the mark of a great man...guess I'm just a good one...well, I'm alright. Ben: She let me live! Giles: (removes glasses) Yes. And one day Glory will return and make her pay for that. She even knows it, and still couldn't take an innocent life. She's a hero, you see. She's not like *us.*

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (PYAXX)

27 It would be hard for Republicans to get any more spineless than they already are. They never fight back. Of course Glenn Beck is not a Republican. He is a Libertarian if anything

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (T2V/1)

28 Never judge a man until you've walked a mile wearing his tampon earrings.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (F9ftr)

29
I just don't like the attacking or mocking kids part, that bugs me. But as far as carrying this on, eh, she'll say something else just as stupid today, that we can mock her for tomorrow.

The left hates to be mocked, but are most deserving of it.

Posted by: Tom Hanks at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (n0DEs)

30 modicum of respect. Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 04:02 PM (GGCsk) And not an emoticon of respect, either.

Posted by: AMDG at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (t7OO0)

31 Wait wait wait wait wait. Feminists should love priest and the Pope. No PIV! The Pope is pretty much their perfect man, right? Especially this pope.

Posted by: Lauren at January 08, 2014 12:06 PM (hFL/3)

32 Hey, does this mean Beck is going to join "The Third Way"? We need another member to fill up the rental car.

Posted by: John Huntsman at January 08, 2014 12:06 PM (0FSuD)

33 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 04:05 PM (PYAXX) Oh Joss. He gets human nature so well in his writing, then tosses it right out for politics.

Posted by: AMDG at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (t7OO0)

34 Is a modicum more or less than a soupcon

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (ZshNr)

Didn't we sort of get past that with serial-philanderer J.F. Kennedy? The Demonrats' golden boy?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (4df7R)

36 Outrage is addictive to some people. It gets the neurons in their dullard brains firing. I am not sure if they muster the energy to get out of bed if they weren't revved up over something to be pissed off over. Like rage-a-holics they don't feel alive if they are not angry or aggrieved about some damn thing.

Posted by: Lester at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (2UPXV)

37 I think Beck missed the point. The point is not that HP was ascribing racism to the right, they do this every damn day, the point is that HP and her team of not funny comedians was bringing Romney's family into this crap. The left lectures us constantly about not bringing the families, particularly kids, of politicians into the fray but they do it with regularity. And for that she was wrong and needs to apologize.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (g1DWB)

38 - "Let's not become what we despise" --------------------- Wait... I'm in danger of becoming government?

Posted by: irright at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (Ze8oh)

39 Sorry, ain't buying it. Beck and others can afford to be magnanimous and chivalric. We as a despise minority cannot. Every day we very close to being made the other more and more to the point where one day someone with the power to act and not just threaten actually acts and begins to take action against our evil otherness.

Think the LIV mob out there won't go along? Will stand up and say it's wrong? We know the media won't standup. They've already set the stage a dozen times.

I'm not certain but somehow I believe that Jesus' saying to turn the other cheek was meant in some other way.

I cannot believe that a Christian is obligated to allow his enemies and infinite number of chances to annihilate them.

Neither will I and neither should anyone else. The left (as most thugs and bullys do) looks as honor and graciousness in the face of overwhelming provocation as a sign of weakness and a call to increase the attacks.

Anyone else can feel free to stand aside and forgive their enemy while that enemy hacks them to pieces or renders their arguments moot by their refusal to defend themselves.

Me, I'll be over here calling the bastards out and making them cry.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (LSDdO)

40 AllenG, you can change "traitor" back to "failure" now. He's a miserable failure.

Posted by: Eton Cox at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (q177U)

41 The "record low numbers of Republicans" is MFM hype. Yes, most people call themselves independents but they normally vote for one Party or the other w/o changing.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (T2V/1)

42 What's with that goofy beard? Beck joining the Mormons or something. What? Oh, never mind.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (0FSuD)

43 beck is a fool. Of COURSE we need to get down in the gutter to beat these creeps.

Posted by: trump at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (M7Awp)

44 That anti-Catholic screed at least just has the bigotry right out there in the open. No whispers or half-tones. No turned chin and raised eye brow. Nope. Those papists can't be trusted.

Posted by: AMDG at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (t7OO0)

45 I have no problem not stooping to the left's level. What I have a problem with is people who think that if you just continue to appease them, they'll stop. They won't. Ever. It's just not in their nature.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (U1Tts)

46 Would not hit.

Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 12:09 PM (KXm42)

>>>I'm not going to go on a rant about this deal and declare him persona non grata.

Never any reason to do that. I think he's correct about an awful lot, and he can be civil in his conduct becoz he has a mass audience and it costs him little. What about everybody else?

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 12:09 PM (3ZtZW)

48 MHP noticing that there was one black baby among a bunch of white people was not racist. Putting it forth for comedic purposes was racist.

Posted by: Sockless Joe at January 08, 2014 12:09 PM (R7uOf)

49 26- AllenG Nice Buffy reference.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (Zswg6)

50 Beck is just another fucking RINO!!1! You can have my outrage when you pry it from my cold outraged hands you fucking rinos.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (+lsX1)

51 @12 - You are dead on correct.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (vg8iE)

These leftist shitweasels in the MFM are some of the main perpetrators of the destruction of the Constitution and this country. Fuck being nice.

It's war. And we should give no quarter in war.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (PdEAn)

53 >>Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 04:05 PM (aDwsi) <<

Look at people like Mark Levin.

The man is a genius. He has probably done more to educate the American public on history, facts,events and law. That is when he is at his best.

But the vitriol and implied hatred with which some of it is done really hurts the cause. It's seen as short-sighted, crazed and unproductive.

I understand the passion. But the way you conduct yourself has much to do with whether you make progress or not. And we are not moving beyond this point any time soon.

By the way, that doesn't mean you don't expose the backroom dealing, lies and distortions- but there is a better way to do that.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (GGCsk)

54 AllenG, you can change "traitor" back to "failure" now. Until he's officially called to the carpet for letting 4 US Citizens be killed- and then covering up for the Al Qaeda linked terrorists who did it- in Benghazi, he will always be a traitor. I mean that word in it's actual definition: I think he should be tried and executed for treason.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (PYAXX)

Does anyone doubt that, roles reversed, Melissa Harris Perry would have
called Glenn Beck a racist for noticing, say, that the very-white
Elizabeth Warren family had adopted a black kid?

Of course she would, but she'd never have had reason to, because Glenn Beck would not have brought it up. It's irrelevant to any kind of public discourse, and on the right we still believe in a separation of personal and public.

Therein lies the difference between the two. Melissa Harris Perry made an innocent young child into a racialist pawn. Glenn Beck wouldn't do that. THAT is why she gets no forgiveness from me, anymore than Lawrence C.K. (or whatever the fuck his name is) deserves forgiveness for all his horrible attacks on Trig Palin.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 12:11 PM (4df7R)

56 If you have a one dollar bill, take it out and look at the picture of Adam Weishaupt. The Illuminati doesn't allow Papists in office.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2014 12:11 PM (u2a4R)

57 Nice Buffy reference. Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2014 04:10 PM (Zswg6) One of my favorite episodes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (PYAXX)

58
*cleans socks*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (n0DEs)

>>>The left lectures us constantly about not bringing the families, particularly kids, of politicians into the fray but they do it with regularity.

Why not? They bring in your kids to squeal on you, too. Its not like they give a shit about kids.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (3ZtZW)

60 Fen's Law explains all

Posted by: toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (QupBk)

61 The reason Beck wouldn't do it is that conservatives don't even notice it.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (dTh2r)

62 There has always been two sets of rules. One for Republicans and one set for Democrats. For example even though Democrats elected a President with little experience--Republicans will never get to do that. Why? Well Virginia--the media referees the game.

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (RJMhd)

63 I disagree with Beck to a large extent. No, I don't think we ought to demand people be fired or cast into outer darkness, but I do believe we should make a big stink about truly ugly statements on the Left. (The recent stuff by Bashir and Perry are in that category.) We need to put the pressure on, scream loud enough to get the word out, lest LIVs believe that only conservatives say baaaaad things. OTOH, I had no problem with Romney himself being gracious and super-forgiving. He's not a candidate now nor on the lines of battle. Let him be the generous victim in the drama ---- which only makes Perry look worse.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (dfYL9)

64 That SC op ed is retarded, but I'm not sure how trying to shoehorn Romney's family into a crack at the GOP's mostly white electorate is racist. Unless you're adopting the broad left version of what counts as that.

Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (KKla3)

65 Of course, the Left would be offended if anyone accused them of dual loyalty to their gods.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (YEQ2h)

66 We notice a single black face in a sea of white faces because our eyes and brain evolved to detect fucking contrast. We'd also notice a single white face in a sea of black faces. We can't help but notice. It's not cultural. There is not cultural imprint that can deactivate the fucking contrast sensing neurons in your visual fucking cortex.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (ZPrif)

67 Purge the Papal Peril Permanently!

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (zDsvJ)

68 When dealing with the left, kindness is weakness. It is a weakness that the left is hard-wired and duty bound to exploit.

Also, any compromise with the left is just another word for full capitulation.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (uUsh9)

69 So the left gets to play the knockout game with conservatives and conservatives are supposed to?

Posted by: RWC at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (fWAjv)

70 >>The "record low numbers of Republicans" is MFM hype. Yes, most people call themselves independents but they normally vote for one Party or the other w/o changing.

Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2014 04:08 PM (T2V/1) <<

Your response contradicts your point Vic.

Indeed most people will vote one way or another- or perhaps, more importantly not at all.

Republicans have offered little distinction between themselves and Democrats. It's why they don't win. They need to raise the level of dialogue and agree on broadly supported positions.

The American people have suffered because of Barack Obama and the Democrats. But they have continued to suffer because Republicans have done nothing about it. They are too busy engaging in rhetorical cannibalism

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (GGCsk)

71 Of course, the Left would be offended if anyone accused them of dual loyalty to their gods. Of course they would be. They ONLY owe allegiance to their gods.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (PYAXX)

72 We'd also notice a single white face in a sea of black faces.

We can't help but notice. It's not cultural. There is not cultural imprint that can deactivate the fucking contrast sensing neurons in your visual fucking cortex.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 04:13 PM (ZPrif)In general, Joe, it is the intention of the Left to compel us to ignore the obvious, and only listen to what they say.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (YEQ2h)

73 Beck's as full of shit as .......well.......he's dry packed.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (xWW96)

The media is both the battleground AND the enemy. We're not talking about (at least I'm not) whether or not they're going to Hell. I don't know about that, that's between them and God (whether they realize/acknowledge that or not).

However, while I may be a Citizen-Subject of God's Heavenly Kingdom, I have to live in this world. And living in this world means certain things. The MHPs of the world think that it should mean they get to decide, not just how I act, but how I *believe.*

I owe them no decency about things like this. The political arena will (and should!) remain no-holds-barred until the Left is defeated.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 04:00 PM (PYAXX)

Very good point.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (gvqyH)

75 Inferring non-blacks should not be able to adopt babies of color IS racist. MHP IS RACIST

Posted by: thunderb at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (4WxQ9)

76 My bad, misread

Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (KKla3)

77 O/T Just a little good news. Reps. Mike McIntyre (D-N.C.) RETIRING! Knew he would lose, decided to try getting appointed to something before The One leaves.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (0FSuD)

78 One of my favorite episodes. Almost was...really, should have been the show finale. And it would have been perfect. Alas.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (naUcP)

79 We shouldn't attack this bint for her comment, we should attack her for her hypocrisy

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (O3C36)

80 So my husband just got rejected for insurance from the VA. Seems we make too much money. What a joke. Guess the IRS is gonna have to send a goon squad.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (GrtrJ)

81 The working assumption seems to be that the questioner or the author of the criticism expects to be in the same country in two to five years as he or she was in their youth. They also assume that the two sides are opponents, not enemies. Both are false. Living under the hard left is living under tyranny. There is no peace, there is only a cold civil war at the moment. The only good result that can occur is that the Union voluntarily separates so that the left can tyrannize their own people and leave Americans alone. Without that, civil unrest and unending near-tribal strife is inevitable. The Union is dead. The Democrats killed it after 70-odd years of stabbing the hell out of it.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (xJS2Q)

82 70 Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 04:14 PM (GGCsk)

But they call themselves "independents".

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (T2V/1)

83 Outrage is addictive to some people. It gets the neurons in their dullard brains firing. I am not sure if they muster the energy to get out of bed if they weren't revved up over something to be pissed off over. Like rage-a-holics they don't feel alive if they are not angry or aggrieved about some damn thing.

That hits a bit close to home. But in fairness, I have a lot to be outraged about.

Posted by: toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (QupBk)

84 There is not cultural imprint that can deactivate the fucking contrast sensing neurons in your visual fucking cortex. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 04:13 PM (ZPrif) Sure there is. Become functionally brain dead. And vote Dem.

Posted by: AMDG at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (t7OO0)

85 I'd turn the other cheek but I'm out of cheeks.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (DpEwG)

86 Also, a good reminder. If you like Beck and/or want to keep pressure on FoxNews from drifting to the left -- call your cable company and ask for BlazeTV. My cable bill funds Al Jazeera and MSNBC and CNN and The Daily Show -- don't see why I shouldn't have the option to have it fund BlazeTV.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (ZPrif)

87 I hate when we cover for the bad guys. Just destroy them and win. That's what they do to us, why not do it back? Screw fairness and morals.

Posted by: Twig at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (w9N0m)

88 16 I won't make a direct analogy. But I will say Republicans are not doing themselves a favor. Both in the way various factions interact with each other and the way they interact with the opposition. Look at the Gallup Poll from today that finds a record low number of people declare themselves Republicans. It is time for everyone to take a real good look in the mirror. Because the level and type of dialogue today is vitriolic, not constructive and devoid of any modicum of respect. Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 04:02 PM (GGCsk) The Stupid Party has no one but themselves to blame for this. I was a proud Republican all my life and I've left the party. And I ain't the only one, we are legion. They are no longer the opposition to anything. The only argument left in DC is who gets to run things. The Repubs don't want to stop Big Government, they want to run it. Fuck the Vichy GOP. Sideways.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (7ObY1)

89 Tom Hanks is still ded.

Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (KXm42)

90 Almost was...really, should have been the show finale. And it would have been perfect. I'm willing to accept season 6 for the pay-off in season 7. But, yes, that would have been *a* perfect ending. "Buffy Summers: Loving Sister, Devoted Friend. She Saved the World A Lot."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (PYAXX)

91 Forgot to add:

In this instance, Beck is what I despise. A person who can not comprehend that we are fighting for everything of any worth or value, and it is a fight to the knife and knife to the hilt.

Those who are incompetent enough to believe that in this fight, only the "moral high ground" is of any import are, in fact, aiding and abetting the enemy, whether they realize it or not.

Holding only to the high round means each and every position can be surrounded, isolated and defeated in detail.

The low ground must also be contested with full vigor.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (uUsh9)

92 Posted by: Vic at January 08, 2014 04:08 PM (T2V/1)

The record low number of Republicans is representative of the disgust most have come to feel towards the party. To remove oneself from the rolls as a Republican and be left off solicitation mailings and calls.

We're not angry that they're fighting dirty, we're angry that they aren't fighting at all.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (LSDdO)

93 You get a lot of Ham n' Eggers with this President.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (j6DTo)

94 As a Catholic, I'm not against abortion because the pope tells me to be. I'm against abortion because it is the killing of fetuses. I believe that judges, including Catholic judges, should base their rulings on the constitution.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (udPIt)

95 Fucking NY Slime has now transformed it on line page to the same format as the shitty Ipad version. They must think everyone orgasms over Apple formatting. It sucks.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (0FSuD)

96 There is a difference between what Beck is proposing and what a lot of RINOs are proposing.

Did dropping MREs in Afghanistan and refusing to bomb mosques win favor for W with the MSM?
Did No Child Left Behind and Part D programs make progressives appreciate him?

Hint: NO.

But what Beck seems to be doing is sticking to his principles but advocating civility. Good for him.
Rand Paul does that, so good for him too.
O'Reilly even defended Ellen De Generes when she was about to be fired from a gig because she's gay. But he's still against gay marriage on prinicple. Good for him too.

My two cents.

Posted by: PJ at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (ZWaLo)

97 Inferring non-blacks should not be able to adopt babies of color IS racist. MHP IS RACIST

Posted by: thunderb at January 08, 2014 04:15 PM (4WxQ9)

Yep. This x infinity.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (4df7R)

98 If you haven't listened to the Nick Searcy podcast, I recommend it if for no other reason than his remarks on Melissa Harris-Perry and interracial adoption.

Posted by: Andy at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (XN0LR)

99 The media is both the battleground AND the enemy. Word.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (naUcP)

100 Lets not become what we despise. Jesus thats dumb. How did Marines beat the Japanese? By being just as brutal, cruel, and bloodthirsty as the Japs were. That's how, and the only way to get it done.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (xWW96)

101 Posted by: DangerGirl at January 08, 2014 04:16 PM (GrtrJ) Look up one of those cost-sharing ministry thingies like Lauren.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (PYAXX)

102

It's kinda simple: in any disagreement, you can respond one of four ways. 1. you can be passive, 2. you can be passive-aggressive, 3. you can be aggressive, or 4. you can be assertive.

We live in a world where Republicans tend to take approaches 1 and 2, and a lot of people around here would like them to take 3, but honestly, what almost always works best in any situation is 4.

Do Republicans take 4? Not that I can recall. Maybe not since Newt or Reagan.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 12:19 PM (TOk1P)

103 Of course, it doesn't matter how well you play chess, if your opponent is swinging a baseball bat, you won't be able to finish the game.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 12:19 PM (U1Tts)

104 The American people have suffered because of Barack Obama and the Democrats. But they have continued to suffer because Republicans have done nothing about it. They are too busy engaging in rhetorical cannibalism Posted by: Marcus ----------- I do not agree entirely. I continue to regard Democrats, in general, as a collective case of Battered Wife Syndrome. No matter how often, or how specifically you point out their affliction, they cling to their oppressors. They are least, just slightly insane.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 12:19 PM (aDwsi)

105 In keeping with the new tone, I present the best impersonation of David Frum ever seen on the interweb:

http://tinyurl.com/mgxtxtk

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (kxSZr)

106 i gives less than a damn what Glen Beck *or* MHP have to say about anything.

both are irrelevant to my world.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (q+fqH)

107 Beck is actually being very tactical here. Beck's #1 goal is getting BlazeTV picked up by the big cable/sat companies. Specifically he's campaigning to get on Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Charter, and DirecTV. The only big one BlazeTV is on is Dish Network. After that it's all tiny regional cable cos with a few hundred thousand subs. Beck wants the cable money to fund his growing media empire. Everything he's doing right now is geared to that goal. A goal I support.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif)

108 I'm kind of digging Beck's white hair/beard.

He went to his ranch for Christmas, and came back as Glenndalf the White?

Posted by: filbert at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (roTS7)

109 Graciousness is what one shows after absolute victory. Victory can not be achieved without treating scum as scum.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (XvHmy)

110

100 -

Some would say the way the Marines beat the Japs was to let the Army do most of the work, then swoop in and take all of the glory.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (TOk1P)

111

Perpetual outrage is the key to winning the only war worth winning - getting ratings in the 24/7 cable news network wars. And if the oh-so-forgetable lineup of MSNBC has to stoop deeper into the slime to beat out the Ingham County Livestock Report on public access then that is what they must do!

And remember - the outrage Outlet can provide you with all of the gear necessary to support you in the dumpster-diving manner you are accustmed to!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (hLRSq)

112 Here in SC you do not have to be a member of any Party to vote in the primaries so most people here are not members of a Party. But you can only vote in one primary or the other, can't do both.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (T2V/1)

113 That's what they do to us, why not do it back? Screw fairness and morals.

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No.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 08, 2014 12:20 PM (P6QsQ)

114 The Stupid Party has no one but themselves to blame for this. I was a proud Republican all my life and I've left the party. And I ain't the only one, we are legion. They are no longer the opposition to anything. The only argument left in DC is who gets to run things. The Repubs don't want to stop Big Government, they want to run it. Fuck the Vichy GOP. Sideways.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 04:16 PM (7ObY1)
Amen. Blue State, I carried W's water during his terms, despite a lot of flack from my non-aligned Conservative friends. It got painful a lot of times. No more. I don't have a "party" currently, just waiting I guess for one to emerge.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (YEQ2h)

115 As a Catholic, I'm not against abortion because the pope tells me to be. I'm against abortion because it is the killing of fetuses.

As a non-Catholic, same stuff.

Which all seems completely irrelevant to the procedural thingie [IANAL] Sotormayor actually assented to.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (ZKzrr)

116 >>Without that, civil unrest and unending near-tribal strife is inevitable. The Union is dead.<<

Democrats have created many devices with which to proliferate their power and ride over opposition. But what they do not anticipate is leaving office any tome soon.

That's not just because the media are lackeys for their agenda. But they have successfully divided the opposition which has continued to feed on each other. Without that factional conflict, this would all be over.

Problem is that anyone preaching some tolerance and incrementalism is immediately branded a traitor, sellout or Establishment supporter.

If we could overcome our divisions and win some elections, we will control all those levers Democrats put in place to maintain their power. It is their greatest weakness.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (GGCsk)

117 And MHP knew it was racist because she felt guilty and blubbed about it

Posted by: thunderb at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (4WxQ9)

118 Isn't tit for tat with some forgiveness proving to be one of the best strategies in Game Theory? The GOP fails at the tit for tat part, but I think Glenn Beck is following that pattern fairly nicely.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (gtjN1)

119 By the way, that doesn't mean you don't expose the backroom dealing, lies and distortions- but there is a better way to do that.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 04:10 PM (GGCsk)

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Levin fills a conservative niche. As does Rush and Beck. Each have their own loyal audiences. Many listen to all three as I do. The main point is that the message is being broadcast over a wide range of the American population, and they are listening.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (PdEAn)

120 Sorry, but Beck's statement is most representative of why we are in the sad state we are today. Taking the so called high road with the left is no less a mistake than trying to win the hearts and minds of the 7th century religion of peace. Showing weakness only invites more attacks. Showing a fight to win mentality is all they will understand. Anyone who doesn't treat the war we're in with the left as a war is either blind or fooling themselves.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (gvqyH)

121 Just like in war,sometimes you have to be as nasty as the other side.It has a cost but it is necessary.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2014 12:21 PM (zqvg6)

122 Where's Walshondo ?

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (m2CN7)

123 "Does anyone doubt that, roles reversed, Melissa Harris Perry would have called Glenn Beck a racist for noticing, say, that the very-white Elizabeth Warren family had adopted a black kid."

Because Beck wouldn't do that. I think the left now hates people on the right so much that they hate everything we do, even if it's something good. So now if those on the right act decent, the left wants to act indecent, just to further distance themselves from the right.

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (MNq6o)

124 OT - Is anyone else using Comcast 100 Mbs service? Have you checked to see what you are really getting for speed?

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (u2a4R)

125 Thinking that supreme court judges are showing allegiance to the pope is really out there. Using that reasoning, no person who holds any religious views should be allowed to hold public office. Jimmy Carter took his religious beliefs very seriously, probably more seriously than a lot of Catholics, and yet liberals trusted him to make decisions that were in the best interests of the country.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (udPIt)

126 Obviously it was Melissa's white part that was racist! As for the Catholic thing, there are a lot of anti-Catholic bigots out there including my father. I tell him to stuff it if he starts up on that shit.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (oFCZn)

127 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 04:16 PM (7ObY1) Amen. Blue State, I carried W's water during his terms, despite a lot of flack from my non-aligned Conservative friends. It got painful a lot of times. No more. I don't have a "party" currently, just waiting I guess for one to emerge. Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 04:21 PM (YEQ2h) I wanted to register "Whig" but they wouldn't let me, so I had to choose "Independent." My aversion to "Independent" coming from years of Rush Limbaugh's saying that "Independent" means not having any core beliefs or values. But it was my only viable option, so be it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (7ObY1)

128 And if this makes me a war-profiteer, a ghoul waxing rich on the misery of others, taking advantage of their weaknesses, then I answer You Betcha!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (hLRSq)

129 I will be fair and kind and moral to those who are not trying to destroy all I hold dear. Otherwise, no mercy.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (naUcP)

130 Some would say the way the Marines beat the Japs was to let the Army do most of the work, then swoop in and take all of the glory.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 04:20 PM (TOk1P)

And I would say that is maybe the most egregious lie I ever read.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 12:23 PM (xWW96)

131 Beck isn't just a right-wing pundit these days. Beck wants to be the next Roger Ailes. He's building a media empire in Texas. Radio and TV make real money. Vastly more than the Blaze website. Beck wants that 25 cents per month from 100M households that MSNBC gets.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 12:23 PM (ZPrif)

132 However, while I may be a Citizen-Subject of God's Heavenly Kingdom, I have to live in this world. And living in this world means certain things. The MHPs of the world think that it should mean they get to decide, not just how I act, but how I *believe.* I owe them no decency about things like this. The political arena will (and should!) remain no-holds-barred until the Left is defeated. Amen. Sweep the leg! Curb stomp them!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 12:23 PM (FNtJ6)

133 Using that reasoning, no person who holds any religious views should be allowed to hold public office. I think you're starting to get the picture...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 08, 2014 12:23 PM (naUcP)

134 They believe nothing they preach, they attack anything that dares disagree, and they will not stop ever.

The angels within my nature agree wholeheartedly with Ace and Beck, but the demons in my nature whisper "reciprocity."

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:23 PM (TE35l)

135 Using that reasoning, no person who holds any religious views should be allowed to hold public office. Exactly...

Posted by: AMDG at January 08, 2014 12:24 PM (t7OO0)

136 Yes, we do notice a single black face in a sea of white ones. It's human nature. And Melissa Harris Perry proves that even minorities notice this.

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Meh....

I, however, do REALLY notice the only human being on the planet that wears tampons around her head. That tends to catch ones eye.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 08, 2014 12:24 PM (nELVU)

137

Melissa Harris-Perry played the pundit version of the knock out game and Glenn Beck wants us not to be outraged.

He is out of his gord.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:24 PM (m2CN7)

138 I think that Glenn is on to something here, because clearly, graciousness wins elections.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at January 08, 2014 12:24 PM (1Rgee)

139 106 i gives less than a damn what Glen Beck *or* MHP have to say about anything. both are irrelevant to my world. Posted by: redc1c4 at January 08, 2014 04:20 PM (q+fqH) ********* That's probably true for 90% of the population. Maybe even more. Mathematically it doesn't make much sense to fight over Melissa Harris Perry. First how many people are watching MSNBC? How many people could spot her in a line up? Then how many people will even remember any of this next month?

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:24 PM (RJMhd)

140 >>I do not agree entirely. I continue to regard Democrats, in general, as a collective case of Battered Wife Syndrome. No matter how often, or how specifically you point out their affliction, they cling to their oppressors. They are least, just slightly insane.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 04:19 PM (aDwsi) <<

The way you beat a horde is with a greater force. We have one, but they are all encamped in different places nursing their egos and personal predilections. Join that army and we destroy the opposition.

Democrats don't have voters or party members. They have loyalists. Such people have no intellectual curiosity. They only have fanaticism. Those people will never join the other side.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:24 PM (GGCsk)

141 >>Problem is that anyone preaching some tolerance and incrementalism is immediately branded a traitor, sellout or Establishment supporter. >>If we could overcome our divisions and win some elections, we will control all those levers Democrats put in place to maintain their power. It is their greatest weakness. As someone who has been saying this for a long time and been branded both a RINO and an establishment supporter (which is doubly ironic since I am neither a Republican nor a supporter of the establishment) I concur.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (g1DWB)

142 He went into a big monologue about this on his Monday radio show. A line from it that I liked, that I actually took the time to write in my phone's note app, is that we need to "start behaving like a society that believes in good," and that we need to start behaving like Americans again.

Which, true. The problem is that this sort of thinking needs to start from the top down, not the bottom up, and be strictly enforced in the marketplace of ideas and conversations. Currently there is absolutely no incentive for the folks in power, whether in the media, the white house, or on capitol hill, to behave like decent Americans and modify their behavior. To paraphrase a famous line, vindictive, accusatory grievance mongering is their business, and business is good. Until that toxic culture changes we will keep having these sort of ridic outbursts from our betters in the media.

On Monday's radio show Beck read an open letter he sent to MSNBC, that he hopes will get back to Harris-Parry and convince her to contact him. I think he is trying to start a dialogue with her, much in the way he has with people like Penn Jillette, and change hearts and minds through one on one conversations and forging friendships. It probably won't work but at least he is trying something different.

Posted by: LizLem at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (BF+2f)

143 They believe nothing they preach

I'm still certain they believe whole-heartedly that my life--where I live, work, play, how and where I move about, what I'm allowed to eat, etc--should be constrained by force of government.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (ZKzrr)

144 I hate when we cover for the bad guys. Just destroy them and win. That's what they do to us, why not do it back? Screw fairness and morals.

Posted by: Twig at January 08, 2014 04:16 PM (w9N0m)

No no. You fight back and destroy them by SUPPORTING fairness and morals. By pointing out the left's staggering hypocrisies on both, and never wavering. You hold firm to YOUR convictions and demonstrate how the left's convictions are as ephemeral as smoke, to the point that they aren't convictions at all, just fairy tales.

That's how you beat them. You don't have to be nice about it, and I don't think we should be. But you don't sink to their level. You stand tall and squash them like a bug.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (4df7R)

145 I understand what Beck's saying here. You're trying to convince the public that the other side has crossed a line. Marching through Belgium, gas warfare, torpedoing the Lusitania. Of course, in the end if public revulsion isn't enough you've got to blow the shit out of them.

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (o+SC1)

146 Some would say the way the Marines beat the Japs was to let the Army do most of the work, then swoop in and take all of the glory. Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 04:20 PM (TOk1P) And I would say that is maybe the most egregious lie I ever read. Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 04:23 PM (xWW96) Probably ought to read a bit more about the history of WWII in the Pacific then. The Army pulled the bulk of the load, that's the fact. Bravery of the Marines, and Army, however, is not in question at all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (yz6yg)

147 Beck has already become what he despises: a preachy guy who is really serious and not very funny. So, too late for that one.

Posted by: Calvin at January 08, 2014 12:25 PM (yoDan)

148 Sweep the leg!

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"Do you have a problem with that??"

"No sensai."

Posted by: fixerupper at January 08, 2014 12:26 PM (nELVU)

149 Johny Manziel announces he'll enter NFL Draft.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 12:26 PM (ZshNr)

150 That's not just because the media are lackeys for their agenda. But they have successfully divided the opposition which has continued to feed on each other. Without that factional conflict, this would all be over.

Problem is that anyone preaching some tolerance and incrementalism is immediately branded a traitor, sellout or Establishment supporter.

If we could overcome our divisions and win some elections, we will control all those levers Democrats put in place to maintain their power. It is their greatest weakness.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 04:21 PM (GGCsk)

The problem with our side is we have to work around those on our side who actively undermine what we stand for. The left does not tolerate the same. We have RINOs. The left does not have DINOs. Ever noticed how that works?

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 12:26 PM (gvqyH)

151 Of course (dropping the comedy act) there is a difference between fighting back and being "just like them." No one said that being hard-hitting means taking the fight to someone's adpoted baby grandson.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 12:26 PM (hLRSq)

152 Problem is that anyone preaching some tolerance and incrementalism is immediately branded a traitor, sellout or Establishment supporter. It would help if they both preached *and exemplified* "tolerance" toward the rest of the caucus. Unfortunately, what they tend to say is (translated): "Shut up you mouth-breathers. Those Democrats are Nice People." I'd be more than happy if the Establishment would just shut up about amnesty (for example). I'll be more than happy to just shut up about abortion or gay marriage (except in opposition to specific policy or advocacy groups). If they want to aim their fire at Democrats instead of me, I'm more than happy to aim in the same direction.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:26 PM (PYAXX)

153 My aversion to "Independent" coming from years of Rush Limbaugh's saying that "Independent" means not having any core beliefs or values. Posted by: BlueStateRebel Rush was wrong. Independent = Independent from eith party. I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party raced left as fast and as far as they could & left me.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 12:27 PM (FNtJ6)

154 That's nothing, some of the justices have a dual loyalty to Satan.

Posted by: Caliban at January 08, 2014 12:27 PM (DrC22)

155 Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2014 04:22 PM (u2a4R)

1) they lie
2) you share a line with others so your speed will vary depending on the load at any time.
3) like all isps, you're using a particular server at any particular time. Sometimes you stay with one server for a while or you may be passed among different ones as time goes by and what you're accessing changes. Some of the servers don't perform quite as well as others the differences are slight but under load they may make a difference.

Get rid of comcast if you can, you're only supporting a democrat loving liberal if you stay with them. Plus you're also spending too much money for lousy service.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 08, 2014 12:27 PM (LSDdO)

156 Beck is also raising a false flag.

Perry acted rude and we called her out.

We did not start making fun of a photo of her with her adopted white baby. that would be "acting like them". That would be tit for tat. But it didn't happen, Glenn.

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2014 12:27 PM (MNq6o)

157 I can't register as independent here in the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois. By inference, there are probably a lot more independents out here than get counted by any measure. Incidentally, the state I'm being held in needs to be split up PDQ.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:27 PM (YEQ2h)

158 Johny Manziel announces he'll enter NFL Draft. Â…and will soon be playing for a shitty NFL team to be named later.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:27 PM (yz6yg)

159 The only way I warm up to the enemy is to cut his tendon while he sleeps. I will sleep with his women, eat his bread and drink his wine, but I will always aim to kill him in the end. Figuratively of course.

Posted by: redenzo at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (WCnJW)

160 >>Levin fills a conservative niche. As does Rush and Beck. Each have their own loyal audiences. Many listen to all three as I do. The main point is that the message is being broadcast over a wide range of the American population, and they are listening.<<

Yes, but many only hear what they want. If they believe vitriol and bypass the useful parts, in the end the words are meaningless.

People will stay home or stay divided from people they suspect are for the "establishment" or some other faction.

You never have a dialogue at that point because any compromise is positioned as surrender. There is no starting point for a recovery.

Ultimately that hurts everyone.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (GGCsk)

161 Probably ought to read a bit more about the history of WWII in the Pacific then.

The Army pulled the bulk of the load, that's the fact.

Bravery of the Marines, and Army, however, is not in question at all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2014 04:25 PM (yz6yg)

They had two separate areas of operation. One went South, the other swung North.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (m2CN7)

162

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2014 04:25 PM (yz6yg)

Reading "With The Old Breed" right now, for about the 3rd time.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (xWW96)

163 "impugning Catholics' ability to discharge their duties as government officers owing to a spiritually allegiance to a foreign power"

hmmm never heard God described that way but ok,

Posted by: it's me at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (OroYa)

164 134 They believe nothing they preach, they attack anything that dares disagree, and they will not stop ever. The angels within my nature agree wholeheartedly with Ace and Beck, but the demons in my nature whisper "reciprocity." Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:23 PM (TE35l) ********* Survival instincts should have you focus on the bigger issues--something other than this ant Melissa Harris Perry-- like Obama--and then work down form there. It could be some MSNBC media jujitsu--they wrap us up with peons and then get their people elected while we are distracted with the-- of nothings.

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (RJMhd)

165 I don't believe in unilateral disarmament.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (T0NGe)

166 Whatshisface has him going eighth to the Vikings. So, yeah.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (ZshNr)

167 16 Marcus at January 08, 2014 04:02 PM (GGCsk)

That's an excellent point Marcus, I recall the great interview given by Barack Obama wherein he told his lunatic fringe nutroots to "shut the fuck up sit in the back of the bus and just vote for me damn it..."

We are getting our teeth kicked in by a biased media, the game is rigged there are smart ways to use verbal and behavioral judo to flip the impact of coverage in small bites but that is about the limit of parity.

The Moderate wing had had their way the last two Presidential cycles and has been ascendant since 1998 we have achieved little at a cost to the "leave me alone" apathetic voter of the perception of ethical behavir to no gain.

I'd really like some of the fiscal sanity I have been promised for 30 years.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (TE35l)

168 Beck has one of the same tempermental weaknesses that Winston Churchill had in this regard. No sooner would Churchill win a decisive victory over some wrong-headed, opportunistic, implacable British political opponent than he'd do an about-face and reach out to him with some magnanimous gesture which, of course, his opponent would despise him for.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (SE8wF)

169 Â…and will soon be ~~playing~~ holding a clipboard for a shitty NFL team to be named later. FTFY

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (U1Tts)

170

So, there's some sentiment above for incivility, returning hate for hate. And in the nice Romper Room of the Horde it's fun, it's entertaining, it's cathartic.

But I've been thinking about how the good guys might actually win, and not just have better shout-y points than the bad guys. We know the Left is just a coalition of interest and identity groups who all agree to yell at us and vote each other favors. But we don't have to take them on that way.

It's patronizing to say to the blacks, the hispanics, the womens, the frail, the whomever, "vote for us and we'll give you goodies. the other guys are mean."

We need to say that free markets are good for everyone, keeping more of your stuff and deciding how to use it is good no matter how much melanin you have, our ideas are better in and of themselves. We need a Jack Kemp who is better at that than he was.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (A0sHn)

171
If Glenn was suggesting we not do what Melissa Harris Penis had done, I concur.

But if he's suggesting we shouldn't rake Harris Penis over the coals when she fucks with us, then I Do Not Concur.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (gYIst)

172 Whatshisface has him going eighth to the Vikings. So, yeah.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 04:28 PM (ZshNr)

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Fuck. Out of a job..... again.

Posted by: Matt Cassel at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (nELVU)

173 Glenn Beck's still trying to live down his "Barack Obama hates white people" stumble from 2009. The Left very nearly ruined him for that. I can see why he thinks people should lighten up on media figures who go a bit too far on occasion.

Posted by: rockmom at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (Q4elb)

174 @141, JackStraw:

Only problem with that is it only changes the D to an R of those who are pulling exactly the same levers for exactly the same reasons.

Those willing to compromise with destructionism in order to gain votes will continue to be destructionists in order to maintain votes.

Posted by: Grimmy at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (uUsh9)

175 @162 - read 'The Forgotten War'?

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 12:29 PM (o+SC1)

176 "The low ground must also be contested with full vigor." Racist!

Posted by: nip at January 08, 2014 12:30 PM (jI23+)

177 Jeeth. I thaid I wath thorry.

Posted by: Melitha Hawwith-Pewwy at January 08, 2014 12:30 PM (wAQA5)

178 They had two separate areas of operation. One went South, the other swungNorth. Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 04:28 PM (m2CN7) True 'dat. Go look at raw troop numbers between the two services now. Oh, and compare total numbers of amphibious landings by service also. My source? I'm U.S. Naval War College, Class of '98. I think the Navy knows what they're talking about in this area.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:30 PM (yz6yg)

179 "Get rid of comcast if you can, you're only supporting a democrat loving liberal if you stay with them. Plus you're also spending too much money for lousy service." I wish. Unfortunately, I'm right on the very edge of the sticks and it's just a fluke that I get Comcast here. I've got DirectTV, so they don't get that portion, but my only other alternative is a DSL line that is slow as death.

Posted by: jwest at January 08, 2014 12:30 PM (u2a4R)

180 I am of the belief that "turn the other cheek" is a law that applies only to those who have a basic morality.

We don't "turn the other cheek" when attacked by wild animals. And what is a human that fails to respect any of the rules of basic civilization but a wild animal?

And I'm not sure where God repealed the laws against worshipers of idols and false gods; these leftists certainly worship false gods and idols.

A picture I saw said, "Remember when you say "WWJD?" that it includes overturning tables and chasing people with a whip."

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2014 12:30 PM (VjL9S)

181 and will soon be playing holding a clipboard for a shitty NFL team to be named later.

FTFY

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 04:29 PM (U1Tts)

Hater.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:30 PM (m2CN7)

182 164 Checkers at January 08, 2014 04:28 PM (RJMhd)

I agree, and have used the judo metaphor. That said I am in no position to castigate Barack Obama to a wide audience like "my" political representatives and somehow they can never be bothered to go for the throat.

Mewissa Hawwis-Pewwy is within the range of my influence, he is not.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (TE35l)

183 Reading "With The Old Breed" right now, for about the 3rd time. Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 04:28 PM (xWW96) Right. Marine history. One would get a skewed version if that's all they read.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (yz6yg)

184 175@162 - read 'The Forgotten War'?

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 04:29 PM (o+SC1)

No. Not yet.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (xWW96)

185

130 -

I know a couple guys who were on Okinawa. They're still bitter about it. They didn't say the Marines didn't help, just that they got all the press, and the Army got none.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (TOk1P)

186
Decades of allowing the Left to be Shameless And Unaccountable is precisely what got us where we are today.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (gYIst)

187 >>I'd be more than happy if the Establishment would just shut up about amnesty (for example). I'll be more than happy to just shut up about abortion or gay marriage (except in opposition to specific policy or advocacy groups). If they want to aim their fire at Democrats instead of me, I'm more than happy to aim in the same direction. <<

I couldn't agree more. In fact people like Boehner and McConnell have done more to hurt our party and cause than anyone I can think of. Their cowardice is rooted in politics. Instead of following common sense demands supported by a majority of their party, they yield to political compromise which is against their interests.

But we need to make a more measured, reasonable and consistent case to the American people. The approach right now is too disconnected, uncoordinated and tactical.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (GGCsk)

188 Glenn Beck: "Let's not become what we despise" ------------------------------- LISTEN HERE, MR. SALT LAKE CITY MORMON-DAWG. DETENTE DON'T GO AROUND HERE, SAVVY?! I love these cocksuckers like a mirror, understand?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 08, 2014 12:31 PM (CJjw5)

189 and will soon be ~~playing~~ holding a clipboard for a shitty NFL team to be named later. FTFY Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 04:29 PM (U1Tts) I stand corrected, sir!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (yz6yg)

190 I gotta Glen Beck beard in pants!!

Posted by: the guy that has everything in his pants at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (wmU4G)

191 @171 - Since others have brought the subject up I'm big on WWI analogies right now. No, you don't go out and bayonet Belgian babies (not that it ever really happened, at least not much, but it was a good rallying call.) You proclaim that you're better than that, while you start teaching your draftees how to fix a bayonet just in case.

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (o+SC1)

192 "impugning Catholics' ability to discharge their duties as government officers owing to a spiritually allegiance to a foreign power" There are far stronger spiritual allegiances that impinge on peoples' ability to discharge their duties than religious faith. Just look at the cartwheels that John Roberts had to do because he believed in "the integrity of the court". The Left, as they often do, simply declare their previous ideological allegiances (say, Marxism or eugenics) to the memory hole. Jonah Goldberg's second book dealt with this. They cheat by forcing conservatives to accept all past sins, even sins of progressives, and reject their own history.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (T0NGe)

193 As part of this sucktackular, Atlantic hack Taneihesi Coates has labeled Tampon Ears 'America's Foremost Public Intellectual'; Dylan Byers of Politico questions his pick; Coates labels Byers a racist blind to his white privilege.

This is like watching two dust kitties fight to the death over who rules The Realm Under The Bed.

And, yeah, I spelled Coate's name wrong. Dude should be used to it by now.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (DLu2s)

194 Rush was wrong. Independent = Independent from eith party. I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party raced left as fast and as far as they could & left me.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 04:27 PM (FNtJ6)

Yeah I actually looked at those Gallup poll results both dems and rep have lost people since 08. They are both now at their lowest level in 25 years. Republicans seem to be fleeing to the independent side.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (WdbF7)

195 We don't need to get in the gutter with them. We can stand on the curb and just piss in the gutter.

Posted by: OG Celtic American at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (BUvIM)

196 Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 04:25 PM (g1DWB)

And how do you explain the years when the GOP had the Wh and Congress and yet could find nothing to cut? Could find no department to eliminate? Couldn't even get rid of PBS?

I call bs on your statement and maintain that unless you have conservatives in office, fiscal responsibility will be a pipedream. somehow never happening or even talked about.

So let's cut some deadwood and get more conservatives in office and not worry about electability but about presenting more conservatives for running and getting rid of the rinos.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 08, 2014 12:32 PM (LSDdO)

197 Beck isn't really making an argument. He just needs to not be cast as the racist who said Obama hates White People and got fired from FoxNews. He's trying to rehabilitate his image so he can get BlazeTV on premium cable. He's been consciously defending MSNBC for a while now as part of that sales pitch, saying he loves MSNBC and just wants BlazeTV to be part of the wonderful Diversity available to Americans. It's a sales pitch. Beck is in PT Barnum mode. I like Beck. I like that he's half radio dj, half huckster, half conservative think, and 2/3rd drama queen. I'm cool with the chaos and contradictions of Beck.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (ZPrif)

198 The Problem with being nice is twofold: 1). Personalizing and destroying works. 2). The other side will blame us for being nasty regardlessÂ… so we just might as well get some mileage out of it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (XvHmy)

199 I love these cocksuckers like a mirror, understand? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 08, 2014 04:31 PM (CJjw5) I need more EoJ rants in my day, dammit. I wonder if they can be consumed in pill form.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (yz6yg)

200 Sure, we can have a reasoned, civil debate. But... Oh, and fuck you.

Posted by: ... first, you will blow me. at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (bUmSq)

201 Not fighting back against progressives' bad behaviour and attacks on the Right only encourages them more. No response proves to them and their naive audiences that they were right to do so. We have no choice but to fight back.

Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (WbNDM)

202 Right. Marine history. One would get a skewed version if that's all they read. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2014 04:31 PM (yz6yg) ___________________ I read E.B. Sledge's book. I also read Chesty Puller's "How The War In The Pacific Was Won With No Help From Those Army Fags." So don't be telling me to broaden my perspective.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (CJjw5)

203 Some would say the way the Marines beat the Japs was to let the Army do most of the work, then swoop in and take all of the glory. Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 04:20 PM (TOk1P) And I would say that is maybe the most egregious lie I ever read.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 04:23 PM (xWW96)

-----------------------------------------------

All I hear sometimes is Marine this or Marine that, they fucking do everything. During WWII all the military branches did their part and at great cost. But I do have to agree with BurtTC on one thing. The Army had to pull the Marines' asses out of the fire on numerous occasions.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 12:33 PM (PdEAn)

204 Sorry, Ace--I am not inclined to be particularly civil to those who would destroy the country. The Romney thing was just the tip of an iceberg that defies physics and has something like Mount Everest protruding above the waterline in open sight.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (659DL)

205
Melissa Harris Penis accusing me of being a slaveholder IS NOT EQUAL to me responding to Harris Penis with a big loud FUCK YOU YOU LYING STUPID HACK.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (gYIst)

206 182 164 Checkers at January 08, 2014 04:28 PM (RJMhd) I agree, and have used the judo metaphor. That said I am in no position to castigate Barack Obama to a wide audience like "my" political representatives and somehow they can never be bothered to go for the throat. Mewissa Hawwis-Pewwy is within the range of my influence, he is not. Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:31 PM (TE35l) ************ Hmmmm...I wonder if you will get this then. A lot of people wasted energy fighting over pundit's personal wars--not for any bigger values. Like for example--Ann Althouse's box wine collection. It's a little like that.

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (RJMhd)

207
I understand the passion. But the way you conduct yourself has much to do with whether you make progress or not. And we are not moving beyond this point any time soon

moby alert!! moby alert!

Listen moby...it doesn't seem to impact the left's chances at all when they go full hostile. Actually, it seems to be a winning move. Further, you don't win against bullies by saying "excuse me, that's not very nice."

So, your "advice" is a bunch of feel good bullshit that won't do any real good.

Posted by: Gman at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (UkbKS)

208 We need to say that free markets are good for everyone, keeping more of your stuff and deciding how to use it is good no matter how much melanin you have, our ideas are better in and of themselves. We need a Jack Kemp who is better at that than he was. We do. We need Reagan again- but more willing to be the one who says, "Fine, then we'll just do nothing." We need about 8 years of NO NEW LAWS. None. No new "rules" or "regulations" or "guidelines." Then we can start making the argument "This is what the market can do for you when fettered, but at least promised stability. Let's see what it can do when we remove some of the most odious and burdensome legislation." But that has nothing to do with the Media. As I said above- the media is both battleground (we have to at least contest the field just to be heard) AND the enemy. They have to be defeated just as much (and maybe more) than Democrats. And the only way to do that is to make people realize how vulgar and (yes) evil they are- so that self-respecting people do not watch them any more.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (PYAXX)

209 Beck isn't gonna say anything that will prevent Comcast and DirecTV from taking his calls.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (ZPrif)

210 You proclaim that you're better than that, while you start teaching your draftees how to fix a bayonet just in case. Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 04:32 PM (o+SC1) ------------------------------ What is the Spirit of the Bayonet, Bannion?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (CJjw5)

211 I don't know what I'd do without MSNBC finding racism in every facet of society. White paper is racist. If you don't vote for a socialist with a BC glitch, your a racist. I assume night sky is a racist.

Posted by: UWP at January 08, 2014 12:35 PM (2hQRj)

212 171
If Glenn was suggesting we not do what Melissa Harris Penis had done, I concur.

But if he's suggesting we shouldn't rake Harris Penis over the coals when she fucks with us, then I Do Not Concur.

Posted by: soothsayer

This. It does make Beck look like he's grandstanding. If we don't call her out for vile behavior, how is she going to learn what vile behavior is? From her coworker who were laughing with her?!

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2014 12:35 PM (MNq6o)

213 >>The Moderate wing had had their way the last two Presidential cycles and has been ascendant since 1998 we have achieved little at a cost to the "leave me alone" apathetic voter of the perception of ethical behavir to no gain.

I'd really like some of the fiscal sanity I have been promised for 30 years.<<

And that's done by civilly, responsibly, articulately, consistently repeating a message and how you attend to achieve it. It also requires everyone reading from the same sheet of music.

Where is that in the Republican Party? Rhetorically- nowhere. There are no leaders at the helm.

By the way, we don't need Boehner or McConnell to do that. We can marginalize them by getting a big enough portion of the caucus to agree on positions and legislative strategy.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:35 PM (GGCsk)

214
oh dear

Christie just conceded that his aides did screw with bridge traffic. But he said this is the first he's heard of it.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 12:35 PM (gYIst)

215 I know a couple guys who were on Okinawa. They're still bitter about it. They didn't say the Marines didn't help, just that they got all the press, and the Army got none. Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 04:31 PM (TOk1P) Common complaint. Not without some foundation. I worked Army Legislative Liaison for a year or so during the Clinton Administration. We had 21 people in our shop - 8 of them uniformed. Marines - who were 1/5th of the size of the Army at the time - had 40 uniforms and the total size of their equivalent office was 87. It has always been thus.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:36 PM (yz6yg)

216 @194 - and I'm willing to bet serious money that if you actually talked to those Republicans who fled the party, they'd almost uniformly be fiscal-cons disgusted at one or both of (a) the foot-in-mouth social-cons and/or (b) the Boehner/Cantor/Ryan reacharound-as-reach-across 'compromise' wing.

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 12:36 PM (o+SC1)

217 I like Beck. I like that he's half radio dj, half huckster, half conservative think, and 2/3rd drama queen. I'm cool with the chaos and contradictions of Beck.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 04:33 PM (ZPrif)

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Sir.... a word with you if I may.

Posted by: MATH at January 08, 2014 12:36 PM (nELVU)

218

I have to say something: I actually AM outraged that an adopted baby would be the object of a bunch of sneering jokes.

The Romneys are white. Their baby is black. Big fucking deal. What year is this anyway?

Keep in mind, this scrunt isn't a comedian. She's ostensibly a journalist. Fuck her and. her ass saving apology. I want the bitch fired.

That segment was as mean spirited as it gets. Not only that, they fucking smeared conservatives even while making jokes about an adopted black baby.

No quarter for these goddamned fascists.

Posted by: Warden at January 08, 2014 12:36 PM (HzhBE)

219 Weird thing is I never heard of the bitch, but then didn't notice she was black till she pointed it out.

Posted by: UWP at January 08, 2014 12:36 PM (2hQRj)

220

169 -

I was gonna say the same thing, but I can't do the fancy strikethrough and bolding, so all I do is post the number of the comment to which I'm replying.

Less effective and slower.

I'm a failure.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 12:37 PM (TOk1P)

221 What is the Spirit of the Bayonet, Bannion? Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 08, 2014 04:34 PM (CJjw5) TO KILLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!! Blood makes the grass grow Drill Sergeant!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:37 PM (yz6yg)

222 Christie just conceded that his aides did screw with bridge traffic. But he said this is the first he's heard of it.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 04:35 PM (gYIst)

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Where.... oh where.... have I heard this before.....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 08, 2014 12:37 PM (nELVU)

223 205 Melissa Harris Penis accusing me of being a slaveholder IS NOT EQUAL to me responding to Harris Penis with a big loud FUCK YOU YOU LYING STUPID HACK. Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 04:34 PM (gYIst) ******** But it's all relative. Hardly anyone knows she did this--and no one will remember--not a significant amount of people. She pulled the crying card--and it's over. Basically it's in a forest and about 1% of us heard it--and only .25% of that group will remember this next election cycle.

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:37 PM (RJMhd)

224 I am of the belief that "turn the other cheek" is a law that applies only to those who have a basic morality. Turn the other cheek had to do with an insult rather than an injury. Hence it would apply if you want to get revenge against MHP because she wronged you. But she didn't wrong me, what she did is just what the Left has continued to do to the Right that has had real consequences.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 12:38 PM (T0NGe)

225 >>Posted by: Gman at January 08, 2014 04:34 PM (UkbKS) <

Exhibit #1

You know zero about me and do nothing to materially question my positions.

Just throw a quick ad hominem.

That is the very type of foolishness people who thrive on pathos appeals call debate.

It's not.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:38 PM (GGCsk)

226 "Yes, we do notice a single black face in a sea of white ones. It's human nature. And Melissa Harris Perry proves that even minorities notice this."

Um, it's a lot simpler than that. It's fckuing obvious.

If I look at a shelf of red spray paint at the store and there's a yellow tossed in, I'll notice. If I look at a row of buildings with a single-story house stuck in the middle, I'll notice. If I see a herd of wildebeests sweeping majestically as they flee something, yeah, I'll notice the predatory lion. This isn't some higher brain function. Living beings notice differences in patterns.

This is just noting the GD obvious. Also obvious? Melissa Harris-Perry is still a racist. She used the obvious to dishonestly smear and bludgeon someone she despises (for whatever reason, politics being one). She hates Whitey. That picture but for the exception represents the whitest-of-whites and she went after it with gusto using a professionally (technically) produced segment. It was an opportunity to discredit and destroy "whitehood". Demonize the mixing of a Black with a White via mockery. Make even the appearance of such an event toxic to those outside the clan.

Beck can forgive her. He's a bigger man.

I'm not. I won't. This is her and her peers' currency. It's not about the laughter. It never was. At all.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 08, 2014 12:38 PM (eHIJJ)

227 Oh Joss. He gets human nature so well in his writing, then tosses it right out for politics. Posted by: AMDG at January 08, 2014 04:07 PM (t7OO0)

Brilliant distillation. It still baffles me that the same guy that created Firefly could also be a raging lib Obamabot. Shiny creativity + political inclinations of a donkey's Pi Gu = a recipe for unpleasantness.

Posted by: LizLem at January 08, 2014 12:39 PM (BF+2f)

228 Christie just conceded that his aides did screw with bridge traffic. But he said this is the first he's heard of it. Yeah, we're already doing the peevish-children-as-an-administration thing. I don't want that again.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at January 08, 2014 12:39 PM (659DL)

229 Gov. Fattie press release:

I read it in the newspaper!

http://bit.ly/1dwShx9

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 12:39 PM (dwArK)

230 I painfully had reregister R on Monday. Here in CO you have to be affiliated to participate in caucuses and primary. It is an affiliation that WILL GO AWAY as soon as it's no longer needed.

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at January 08, 2014 12:39 PM (W3UHW)

231 Christie just conceded that his aides did screw with bridge traffic. But he said this is the first he's heard of it. Well, it worked for my idol with the IRS and NSA scandals. Why shouldn't it work for me?

Posted by: Chris Christie at January 08, 2014 12:39 PM (PYAXX)

232 >>Only problem with that is it only changes the D to an R of those who are pulling exactly the same levers for exactly the same reasons. >>Those willing to compromise with destructionism in order to gain votes will continue to be destructionists in order to maintain votes. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to bring forth a more conservative representation from the right, I absolutely want that as much as anyone. I just think far too often people paint with a broad brush and the only tool that is used is a hammer. Take Scott Walker for example. He was heralded as a conservative savior by the rightosphere after his victories both political and legislatively in WI. He has been promoted here by one co-blogger relentlessly as our next presidential nominee. But he came out yesterday and said that we should be more focused on taking out Dems and winning back the levers of power rather than purging heretics from our ranks. Outrage in the rightosphere ensued with the calls of RINO and sellout echoing throughout the intertubes. I do not agree that as bad as guys like McCain and Graham are they are no different than any Dem who would replace them. Neither of them voted for Obamacare for example. Work to primary them, of course, but if they win the primary I would still reluctantly want either of them over another liberal Dem which is pretty much the only type of Dem who wins these days.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 12:40 PM (g1DWB)

233

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2014 04:30 PM (yz6yg)

Numbers don't tell the entire picture. If you armchair the most strategically important battles , I would have the opinion that the Marines mostly fought those. Not that the Army would not have accomplished the same thing if they were selected to perform those plans.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

234 "This sort of general anti-Catholic attack -- How can we trust Catholics to abide US policy when they're acting agents of the Papist Peril?" I take it the love affair with the new Pope is over.

Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2014 12:40 PM (WbNDM)

235 So fatso know's as much about what is going on in his state as Obama knows about what happens in the WH.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2014 12:40 PM (zqvg6)

236 I want the bitch fired. Well, I don't. Because that's the MSNBC way. Push the outrage to 11. When it gets to 12, fire the offended party and do it all over again with somebody new. That's what the Left does, it gets rid of inconvenient people and starts again. I want her around MSNBC's neck for years to come. I want, when she does this again, for the crying "apology" to be played again.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 12:40 PM (T0NGe)

237 Plausible denial won't work for the fat boy.

Posted by: maddogg at January 08, 2014 12:40 PM (xWW96)

238 @197

I agree Joe, except for that last sentence of yours. I'm NOT "cool with the chaos and contradictions of Beck". I think the chaos and contradictions too often make Beck look like an unserious buffoon.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at January 08, 2014 12:41 PM (SE8wF)

239 Basically it's in a forest and about 1% of us heard it--and only .25% of that group will remember this next election cycle.

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 04:37 PM (RJMhd) I think you are on to something. Went to the local Walmart today. I have no doubt that not one in whatever have a clue about what we're going on about here. But EBT, they know about. And where it comes from.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:41 PM (YEQ2h)

240 206 Checkers at January 08, 2014 04:34 PM (RJMhd)

I do try to analyze if the scalp can be gotten. Your point is within my ability to understand. Few things make me happier than getting a moonbat newsie scalp.

Mewissa was almost gotten.

At any rate the GOP is on pace to lose the "message war" because the left is going to actually run for "we need more of the worst stagnation in 30 years!" trying to whip LIV into a frenzy and the GOP is going to hop on a leg and warble "Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamacare" ceding caucus stressing fights like the Unemployment extension with no concession by the left like the Keystone XL approval and risking getting rolled in conference on amnesty.

Something almost always beats nothing on the campaign trail...the media is going to try to rehabilitate the democrats to the point Obama will try to invoke "I need Nancy Pelosi back in the speakership to fix this mess Boehner caused."

Sane?

Nope but neither is a lot of the electorate.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:41 PM (TE35l)

241 Jersey payback. It still amazes me what people will actually say in email. Don't f'in do it. Not even in a text message. Face to face, and nowhere near a f'in Starbucks counter where the local reporter's friend-with-benefits is waiting for her half-caf.

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 12:41 PM (o+SC1)

242 Marcus, your platitudes have no method to them. We're not automatons, we're not reading from a script and we won't. You're starting to sound like you're saying we need proper fusion reactors and handheld non-intrusive medical scanners and antigravity - but you have to have a way to DO these things or it's just a distraction. Mind you I love distractions, but we're trying to talk about things to actually *do* here. It's kind of like a doctor telling someone to stop being so sick. If you want to try to form a caucus centered around specific proposals, then do that. Sounds like you're simply stating the obvious, vaguely. PS we know nothing about you because you're not telling us anything but "you can avoid being late by being on time."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 12:42 PM (qyfb5)

243 Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 04:40 PM (g1DWB) Sorry to remind you, but you loved TARP, too.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at January 08, 2014 12:42 PM (659DL)

244 214
oh dear

Christie just conceded that his aides did screw with bridge traffic. But he said this is the first he's heard of it.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 04:35 PM (gYIst)

He just read it in the paper...

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 08, 2014 12:42 PM (AWmfW)

245 Christie just conceded that his aides did screw with bridge traffic. But he said this is the first he's heard of it.
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Low level employees in Cincinnati.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 12:42 PM (Hx5uv)

246 I'm not surprised Gov. Christie didn't know anything about it. The fat fuck can't even see his own feet. Lotta real stealthy shit moving around that guy.

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2014 12:42 PM (MNq6o)

247 But EBT, they know about. And where it comes from. Yes! The Gub'mit!

Posted by: The FSA at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (PYAXX)

248
Exhibit #1

You know zero about me and do nothing to materially question my positions.

I'm using the evidence of what you're saying to call you out as a lying ass moby.

The words you're typing here are nothing but feel good bullshit, designed to make the right lose.

Posted by: Gman at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (UkbKS)

249 Beck is trying to build a media empire. He's trying to worm his way in and build "good friends" on the left in doing so. Just like McCain and others of the same ilk, his concern here is himself. Beck is just doing his own version of reaching across the isle. Never, NEVER underestimate the actions of someone who's trying to build a power base for themselves. They are doing it at your expense and using you as cover to get there.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (gvqyH)

250 Numbers don't tell the entire picture. If you armchair the most strategically important battles , I would have the opinion that the Marines mostly fought those. Not that the Army would not have accomplished the same thing if they were selected to perform those plans. Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 04:40 PM (m2CN7) Numbers never tell the entire picture. We're at the same place. Not sure I agree with you that the bulk of the Marine battles were strategic in importance. But the Marine PR operation is, and always has been, better. It has been for a reason. As a potential bill payer anytime the Navy wanted a shiny new ship, the Marines had to learn to work both Congress and public opinion in order to survive. They have done this, like that do everything - with gusto. I see eye-to-eye with more Marines than I do with Navy and USAF types, because Marines understand war as it actually is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (yz6yg)

251 And yes I know Okinawa had twice as many divisions of Army as Marines.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (m2CN7)

252 People are always telling me to not get down in the mud & wrestle the pig. I respond, "What makes you think I want to wrestle? I want to slit it's damn throat & carve off some bacon & hams!"

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (FNtJ6)

253 236 AmishDude at January 08, 2014 04:40 PM (T0NGe)

They've collected the scalps of our most effective media voices multiple times AmishDude, don't misunderstand from a purely moral standpoint I know my grandmother would likely say "I raised you better than this son...."

If all we are to be left with is a charred battlefield why not make a corner "ours?"

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:43 PM (TE35l)

254 >>I do not agree that as bad as guys like McCain and Graham are they are no different than any Dem who would replace them. Neither of them voted for Obamacare for example. Work to primary them, of course, but if they win the primary I would still reluctantly want either of them over another liberal Dem which is pretty much the only type of Dem who wins these days.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 04:40 PM (g1DWB) <<

This is a great point.

For example, will we get every single legislator who is a Republican to vote with us on every issue. The answer is no. They will (most often) vote in a way that will help get them reelected (all politics are local).

That's not saying we shouldn't pressure some who seem to most often vote against us.

But remember that politics is ultimately about math. If you have people that you can count on for major legislation, ever vote matters.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (GGCsk)

255 @234 - of course, the Papist Peril agitation that the left rattles on with today is the same Papist Peril agitation that did its best to keep JFK out of the White House.

Posted by: JEM at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (o+SC1)

256 I take it the love affair with the new Pope is over. Posted by: Decaf at January 08, 2014 04:40 PM (WbNDM) They found out he was Catholic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (yz6yg)

257 I painfully had reregister R on Monday. Here in CO you have to be affiliated to participate in caucuses and primary.

It is an affiliation that WILL GO AWAY as soon as it's no longer needed.

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at January 08, 2014 04:39 PM (W3UHW)

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It's why I'm keeping my repub registration too. I want to vote in the primaries.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (PdEAn)

258 I owe them no decency about things like this. The political arena will (and should!) remain no-holds-barred until the Left is defeated. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 04:00 PM (PYAXX) My sentiments exactly. Plus. A big fat fuck you on occasion.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (HVff2)

259 OT: Today is the birthday of Elvis, Stephen Hawking, and Kim Jong-Un.

The world is a weird place.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (ZKzrr)

260 245 WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 04:42 PM (Hx5uv)

By the stench in your nose you will know them.

His shit smells a lot like Obama's.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:44 PM (TE35l)

261
Same goes for the homosexual marriage nonsense.

The Left forcing homosexual marriage upon me is not equal to me vehemently resisting their agenda for the sake of "our side winning" or however Ace put it yesterday in the pot thread.

You see, the Left is fucking with Us and everything we hold near and dear. That's what they do. There is no equivocation here.

When a burglar comes into your house at night and you object with force or police action, are your actions on par with his? Of course not!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 12:45 PM (gYIst)

262 I thought they said, "peanutbutter and jam", not "traffic jam", so I ordered it.

Posted by: Gov. Fat Ass at January 08, 2014 12:45 PM (MNq6o)

263 How'd this plan work out for W Bush? Just turn the cheek and not stand up to the vitriol does nothing but invite more. Ms. Tampon earrings just cried because she was afraid she would be fired, not because she did anything wrong. Look how they all laughed. This is who they are off-camera during their little parties. I'm called a science-denier because I don't believe in their fabricated and fudged data revolving around 0.05% gas driving the temperature of the 99.95% that surrounds it. The 'deniers' part is to link us to 'Holocaust deniers' and therefore evil. Fuck them all.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 08, 2014 12:45 PM (9Bdcz)

264 MHP is just a leftist.

Leftists gonna be leftists.

Douches being douchey.

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 08, 2014 12:45 PM (wtvvX)

265 237 Plausible denial won't work for the fat boy. He's about to find out how much of a Republican he really is. Oh well, McCain never learned when the media turned on him.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 12:45 PM (T0NGe)

266 Save your powder for a battle worth fighting. MHP is nothing but a stable hand in the battle when the real target is the guy on the horse. She is not worth the time to worry about what she says other than pointing it out. Save the outrage for someone and something that matters. The weekend host on a show no one watches is not high on the list. More people watched it in the reports about it than saw it live.

Posted by: Trevor@TJexcite at January 08, 2014 12:46 PM (bkAvJ)

267 >>Posted by: Gman at January 08, 2014 04:43 PM (UkbKS) <<

What evidence and what point? Where?

At least attempt to make a semblance of an intellectual argument or a point for debate. Right now there are none.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:46 PM (GGCsk)

268

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2014 04:43 PM (yz6yg)

I will concede to your point and always thought the Army did not get the recognition it deserved in th Pacific. Hell most LIV think MacArthur was a Marine.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 12:46 PM (m2CN7)

269 Sorry, the well of tolerance and understanding and patience and goodwill and goodfaith towards these people has been bled dry. Kucf 'em.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 08, 2014 12:47 PM (BAS5M)

270 >>They found out he was Catholic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 08, 2014 04:44 PM (yz6yg) <<

Pure genius. +10

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:47 PM (GGCsk)

271

I am wary of calls not to rub their faces in their own hypocrisy, only because I firmly believe the Romney campaign (incompetent as it was in get out the vote efforts in Ohio) lost partly because the candidate was unwilling to seize upon hypocritical moments and use them to teach the voters.

Harsh is not by definition always bad.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 12:47 PM (B5y+v)

272
It's why I'm keeping my repub registration too. I want to vote in the primaries.
Posted by: Soona

Your futile defiance amuses us.

Posted by: Christie/Rubio 2016 - A Division of Republican Inc.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 08, 2014 12:47 PM (kdS6q)

273 Army = longbow

Marines = crossbow

Posted by: West at January 08, 2014 12:47 PM (1Rgee)

274
What evidence and what point? Where?

It appears that you aren't intelligent enough to figure out that the evidence I'm talking about is the words that you, yourself have been typing into the blog comment box.

Posted by: Gman at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (UkbKS)

275 I do try to analyze if the scalp can be gotten. Your point is within my ability to understand. Few things make me happier than getting a moonbat newsie scalp. ********** That's one part of the equation--I was addressing the other side of the problem. I think we over-defend our pundits. For example Ann Coulter when she went around saying--"women shouldn't vote." That was a loser but we still tried to defend it.

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (RJMhd)

276 >>And how do you explain the years when the GOP had the Wh and Congress and yet could find nothing to cut? Could find no department to eliminate? Couldn't even get rid of PBS? >>I call bs on your statement and maintain that unless you have conservatives in office, fiscal responsibility will be a pipedream. somehow never happening or even talked about. Your memory is a bit selective. You might remember we were attacked not long after Bush was first elected and that was pretty much the end of his domestic agenda for the first term. And virtually everyone here and on the right fully supported both wars which cost a shitload. Bush made social security reform the key aspect of his second term. He even made statements like I've earned a lot of political capital and intend to spend it on SS reform. Hell, Bush had been speaking about this for years, since he was back in Texas. But he was uniformly beaten on by the left and the msm (yes I know) and then came Katrina and Bush was essentially a lame duck for the remainder of his term. My hope is that we can do the exact same thing to Obama with Obamacare if we can actually get back in power. The msm will never help us, we have to do it by wining elections.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (g1DWB)

277 Army = longbow Marines = crossbow Oh, here we go!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (yz6yg)

278 Push 40.

now.

Everyone.

It's a command, and I'll push and tell you the #.

I don't ask anything I'm unwilling to do. 40.

push. Oh. and 70 flutter kicks.

Now.

I'm sorry did I not speak english? Un-ass your chair and PUSH!

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (x3YFz)

279 Army = longbow Marines = crossbow I've stayed out of this silly Pacific Theater WWII Army-Marine cock contest up to this point, but this is just going too far.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (U1Tts)

280 I want fatso's ambitions crushed.I do NOT want that fat fuck anywhere near being the nominee in 2016.

Posted by: steevy at January 08, 2014 12:49 PM (zqvg6)

281

250 -

As you say, everything they do is with gusto. This can be both a blessing and a curse. I say this with total respect for the Corps, but the criticism is that they will often put boots on the ground, in harms way, when when other tactical means of accomplishing the mission were available.

The feats of personal valor and sacrifice are never in question. The decisions of senior officers, however, are.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 12:49 PM (TOk1P)

282 I will say this: I don't care one way or the other if MHP is fired. What I want is for her to be reviled. I want people to associate her with the word "racist" forever. I want them to hear things from her and say, "Oh, well she's that chick who made fun of Mitt Romney's adopted grandson. Her opinion and $5 will almost get you a coffee at Starbucks." This is the same reason I think he should always be referred to as "Former Enron Financial Adviser Paul Krugman," or a certain friend of the president as, "Unrepentant Domestic Terrorist Bill Ayers." Until they are reviled for the kind of people they are, they can sway opinion. Our only option is to make them reviled for the kind of people they are.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 12:49 PM (PYAXX)

283 Look, I am all for the New Crusades. I mean, what are they going to say- now they have actual evidence of Catholic inferiority?

At least there will be fewer of them and we can intimidate a whole bunch more.

The bully is encouraged until the victim hits back.

Posted by: Marcus at January 08, 2014 12:50 PM (GGCsk)

284 Consider the 'queen' of MSNBC Rachel Maddow, the woman who sets the tone and calls the shots over there at the Amateur Network: Following a string of fired or rebuked hosts, their acknowledged leader creates a dishonest smear on the Kochs, indicting them for something that her very own network is equally guilty of. Holding yourself to a higher standard is one thing, but there's no way in hell that THEY will.

Posted by: --- at January 08, 2014 12:50 PM (MMC8r)

285 The problem is Fen's Law. So it's perfectly fair to hold MHP to the same standard that the left judges the right by. Even if it's not 'nice'.

This doesn't mean that we necessarily want to destroy MHP as a person or get her fired from MSNBC but her hypocrisy does need to be called out and rightly criticized.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 08, 2014 12:50 PM (pAlYe)

286 Save your powder for a battle worth fighting. MHP is nothing but a stable hand in the battle when the real target is the guy on the horse. She is not worth the time to worry about what she says other than pointing it out. Taking out the stable hand forces the guy on the horse to have to take care of his own horse. Usually suboptimally.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 12:50 PM (FNtJ6)

287 249 Beck is trying to build a media empire. He's trying to worm his way in and build "good friends" on the left in doing so. Just like McCain and others of the same ilk, his concern here is himself. Beck is just doing his own version of reaching across the isle. Never, NEVER underestimate the actions of someone who's trying to build a power base for themselves. They are doing it at your expense and using you as cover to get there.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 04:43 PM (gvqyH)

Somesuch.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 08, 2014 12:50 PM (AWmfW)

288 262 I thought they said, "peanutbutter and jam", not "traffic jam", so I ordered it. Posted by: Gov. Fat Ass at January 08, 2014 04:45 PM (MNq6o)

Traffic jam goes well with a bagel and schmear. Amiright?

Posted by: LizLem at January 08, 2014 12:51 PM (BF+2f)

289 284 "Consider the 'queen' of MSNBC Rachel Maddow"...... You mean the guy who wears black suits?

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:51 PM (YEQ2h)

290 "Of the total $178 billion in consumer credit expansion in the past 12 months, a tiny $9 billion, or just 5% of total, was to fund credit card purchases. The rest went - you guessed it - into purchases of cars and paying for tuition, for which GM and strateospheric(sic) college tuitions are most grateful. And that is the New Normal economy in a nutshell." --ZH But don't question the "recovery". The science is settled. In fact, the government has done so well lets have the EPA give land back to the Indians and open the borders. These are perfectly reasonable positions and both sides of the aisle can agree to work against the opposition Tea Party wacko Party.

Posted by: Daybrother doesn't buy it at January 08, 2014 12:52 PM (yc1qZ)

291 266 Save your powder for a battle worth fighting. MHP is nothing but a stable hand in the battle when the real target is the guy on the horse. She is not worth the time to worry about what she says other than pointing it out. Save the outrage for someone and something that matters. The weekend host on a show no one watches is not high on the list. More people watched it in the reports about it than saw it live. Posted by: Trevor@TJexcite at January 08, 2014 04:46 PM (bkAvJ) ****** Boom! ^this. And it's half the reason they try to be outrageous because they get rewarded for it. It's the simple theory of--"there is no such thing as bad publicity".

Posted by: Checkers at January 08, 2014 12:52 PM (RJMhd)

292 How conservatives are supposed to react to below-the-belt liberal attacks...
www.lowbird.com/data/images/2009/09/4gifs-spock.gif

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 08, 2014 12:53 PM (PK+r9)

293 Human decency toward liberals.

Ridiculous ROE's against al Qaeda.

Pearls before swine.

All really bad ideas.

Posted by: Jaws at January 08, 2014 12:53 PM (4I3Uo)

294 39 Sorry, ain't buying it. Beck and others can afford to be magnanimous and chivalric.
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That's just it.

They want to be the generals and have us lie down and die.

Just like Rush backing down over honest and truthful remarks regarding the Slut Fluke.

They can back down, they can treat it as a game. Because at the end of the day, they have theirs and no one can take it away.

But us poor bastards? We have no such retreat. And when the leftists get them to back down over and over, what does that signal and free them to do?

Or put another way: What if Rush or Palin or Beck went after them with as good as they got? Would the leftist still be so willing to casually and repeatedly smear any and all conservatives?

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2014 12:54 PM (VjL9S)

295 292 How conservatives are supposed to react to below-the-belt liberal attacks...
www.lowbird.com/data/images/2009/09/4gifs-spock.gif

Posted by: andycanuck at January 08, 2014 04:53 PM (PK+r9)For many, only with comity, collegiality, and a sense of fair play.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 12:54 PM (YEQ2h)

296 I am wary of calls not to rub their faces in their own hypocrisy, only because I firmly believe the Romney campaign (incompetent as it was in get out the vote efforts in Ohio) lost partly because the candidate was unwilling to seize upon hypocritical moments and use them to teach the voters. It's not just their own hypocrisy. How many Pubbies in DC have the balls to stand up and say, "The economy is in the shitter and has been for years. Here's the gubmint's own numbers to back up what I'm saying (while pointing to a board full of numbers)" How many Pubbies in DC have the balls to stand up and say, "You know, it's really rich that this administration all of a sudden wants to talk about "income inequality" when American poverty is at an all-time high under the Dimocrats reign." The GOP can't even bring itself to speak the truth about life under the Prog/Coms, how can they even talk about winning elections?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 08, 2014 12:54 PM (0HooB)

297 Chris Christie in "A Bridge Too Far".

Posted by: dantesed at January 08, 2014 12:56 PM (88xKn)

298 By the stench in your nose you will know them.

His shit smells a lot like Obama's.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:44 PM (TE35l)

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Yes. Yes it does.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 12:56 PM (PdEAn)

299 "so that self-respecting people do not watch them any more. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It" Good point, but I think part of the problem is that there is a dearth of self-respecting people walking around these days.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at January 08, 2014 12:57 PM (fk1A8)

300 What I want is for her to be reviled. I want people to associate her with the word "racist" forever. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. A worthy ambition but it will never happen She comes directly from the Cokie Roberts and James Carville machine. It would take a massive personal scandal to make her go away.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 12:58 PM (qNLzc)

301 Remember when conservatives successfully made Michael Moore the face of the Democrat Party during the Bush-Kerry campaign? We need to make MSNBC their face today --- and make every Democrat politician answer to EVERYTHING they say over there.

Posted by: Warden at January 08, 2014 12:58 PM (HzhBE)

302 Nood Christie thread up.
Mmm. Jam.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 08, 2014 01:01 PM (PK+r9)

303 ok, my 70 push ups are done for the afternoon. 200 flutter kicks.

Ya'll beat me, right?

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 01:01 PM (x3YFz)

304

"The GOP can't even bring itself to speak the truth about life under the Prog/Coms, how can they even talk about winning elections?"

===========================================

The Republicans have this incredibly silly faith in their historical method of running elections as if those elections turn on the 5% (or whatever) of "persuadable" Democrat voters coming over to vote GOP. In that process the Repub leaders just totally forget that they can't draw the indies or even the less-than-totally committed Repubs without a coherent ideological argument, and turnout suffers (as we saw in the frickin river districts in Ohio).

It isn't "don't vote for the other guy" that wins, it's "vote for me and here is why". So, in short, I totally agree with you.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 01:01 PM (B5y+v)

305 >>Sorry to remind you, but you loved TARP, too. Sorry to correct you but I did not love TARP. I made a rational decision that it was the least bad option facing us. So did Monty, King DOOM himself. Not to mention lots and lots of other people. And we got the money back, a point which you and those like you who where in favor of going over the falls never seem to remember.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 01:01 PM (g1DWB)

306

For the elections of 2014 and 2016 the political forces in DC, both dem and (establishment) repubs, will be focused on destroying the Tea Party ideals. That's really all they care about.

The Tea Party, Freedom Works, etc., are the enemy to these people. We need to understand this now.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 01:03 PM (PdEAn)

307 I'd be willing to entertain that loon's argument about Catholics...as long as she applies it to people like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden. Democrat double standard and all that, I know.

Posted by: Rick C at January 08, 2014 01:04 PM (A9FNw)

308 and yet here's a Leftist In Good Standing impugning Catholics' ability to discharge their duties as government officers owing to a spiritually allegiance to a foreign power. Yeah, who do those Catholics think they are? Democrats working for the IRS or something?

Posted by: Socratease at January 08, 2014 01:05 PM (SZUi2)

309 Accept an apology that has national attention. When people are watching, it's critical that we follow Beck's advice. The left are scum, and deserve continuous punishment, but the majority of the public are not left. If/when they are watching, they will appreciate honor and decency. We are better than the scum. When people are watching, we must always prove it.

Posted by: RobM1981 at January 08, 2014 01:15 PM (zurJC)

310 STOP!!!

Stop looking at inconsequential nonsense that does nothing but hurt feelings as racist.

This however is not without consequence. They are mocking a wonderful thing. There are hundreds of thousands of people who are willing to adopt. Most of them happen to be white. 80 percent of them are willing to adopt children who are not of the same race. Those adoptions are not happening in most cases because social workers are actual racists who believe you cannot properly love and care for a child unless their skin is the color of yours,.

MHP's snide little jokes support the racists.

Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at January 08, 2014 01:16 PM (FtCW+)

311 oh my beck's lesson about Gold and lars' email are quite interesting.

Posted by: it's me at January 08, 2014 01:18 PM (OroYa)

312 I don't watch msnbc or care what the fuck they think.I don't even watch much Fox anymore either for general news.I follow certain blogs and websites for general happenings and follow the links or do a little homework of my own. I'm surrounded everyday by clueless fucks who don't care except for their own private Idaho's.When those around you swim in the cesspool of liberalism there aren't many friends to be had and calling them the clueless dumb fucking bastards that they are it sure feels good seeing the look in their faces for being called on their bullshit.I usually use the "you really are that fucking stupid aren't you"and walk away.

Posted by: YTown Guy at January 08, 2014 01:21 PM (das+y)

313 Before this thread peters out, two things that may be of interest:

-Melissa Tampon-Harris is a professor at Tulane University. Her 'Ha ha see the minority in the Romney woodpile' schtick may have flashed back at her in the faculty lounge.

-Do a web search for images of this woman. From 2009 to now; wow, looks like a different person. Not just a new look; someone's REALLY put on a new identity. I'm thinking someone's trying to be all the right things to all the right people, and losing her mind in the process.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at January 08, 2014 01:22 PM (DLu2s)

314 I don't watch MSNBC or Glenn Beck, the former because it offers nothing worthwhile at all, the latter because he is like some big child who thinks every thing he learns is a new discovery that no one else ever knew.

Beck was great when he was a funny radio host. As a pedantic lecturer, he's just a bore. But I don't need him to tell me who to forgive and who not, either.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 08, 2014 01:34 PM (473jB)

315 To hell with MH-P, and to hell with "virtue" for its own sake. There is no "virtue" in grace toward malevolent idiots like her. And Romney handled it wrong too. He should have said either "no comment," or "I don't know who she is and I don't care what she does or says."

Posted by: gp at January 08, 2014 01:35 PM (mk9aG)

316 As the Gays come out of the closet, they want to force the observant Christians and Catholics into them.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at January 08, 2014 01:45 PM (LsJAk)

317 "So the left gets to play the knockout game with conservatives and conservatives are supposed to?"

Invest in brass and wait for the burning times. Whether is no longer a question, it's merely a matter of when.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 08, 2014 02:03 PM (kUgpq)

318 As the Gays come out of the closet, they want to force the observant Christians and Catholics into them.

Into the . . . closet, or into the . . .

eww.

Posted by: filbert at January 08, 2014 02:08 PM (roTS7)

319 A general call for a detente in the War of Outrageous Outrage, and absolves Melissa Harris-Perry of the charge of intentional mean-spiritedness towards the newest Romney. He's free to call one if he wants, but it's worth taking note of what the Palestinians do whenever a "truce" is called in their conflict with Israel.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 08, 2014 02:46 PM (G5cc0)

320 It was fucking racist. That's what racists do, point out the differences among people, separate out the minority and make them feel excluded. That was the first comedian singing the Sesame Street song. The next person uses it to score cheap political points by implying the black Romney black child represents the token "Uncle Tom" in the Republican party. Real fucking classy. The MPH herself, rather than make this the celebratory comment she intended as she lied about in her apology, says maybe one day the Romneys will catch up to modern times and one of their grandkids will marry Kanye West and Kim Kardashian's baby. How is that not racist? It's a child that has never been a focus of a campaign and was only featured on a personal family Christmas card. It was meant to be hurtful, and it succeeded.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 08, 2014 07:38 PM (Y92Nd)

321 Â‘CataclysmicÂ’: What You Probably DidnÂ’t Know About Germany Getting Its Gold Back From the Federal Reserve
http://tinyurl.com/kbgpfgd
Beck's aforementioned revelation.

On his radio show Beck mentioned some articles on Zerohedge. Oddly enough this was posted right after Beck's radio show went off air.
23 Reasons To Be Bullish On Gold

http://tinyurl.com/ohwvh3o

Posted by: think at January 08, 2014 10:11 PM (OroYa)

322 The fundamental hypocrisy of the left is that the 21st century left is 100% racial and that's why they win, but if you push back against their aggressive anti-white agenda, they will call you a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews and respectable conservatives will agree. The fundamental hypocrisy of the respectable right is that mass non-white immigration (and yes it is about race, because non-whites vote by race) means that the right will lose inevitably on every issue it claims to care about, yet the right won't push back on that. In fact it helps the left.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 09, 2014 04:23 AM (E7WgK)

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