January 08, 2014

Global Chillaxin': Meet the MIT Climate Scientist Who Accepts the Earth Has Warned But Doubts the Alarmist Line
— Ace

Via @rdbrewer4 in the sidebar, you've actually met this guy before-- Richard Lindzen, who a sharp skeptic of Global Warming Hysteria and is inconveniently a Credentials-Carrying Climate Scientist. The Weekly Standard's Ethan Epstain talks with him.

Lindzen doesn’t deny that the climate has changed or that the planet has warmed. “We all agree that temperature has increased since 1800,” he tells me. There’s a caveat, though: It’s increased by “a very small amount. We’re talking about tenths of a degree [Celsius]. We all agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. All other things kept equal, [there has been] some warming. As a result, there’s hardly anyone serious who says that man has no role. And in many ways, those have never been the questions. The questions have always been, as they ought to be in science, how much?”

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[L]indzen rejects the dire projections. For one thing, he says that the Summary for Policymakers is an inherently problematic document. The IPCC report itself, weighing in at thousands of pages, is “not terrible. ItÂ’s not unbiased, but the bias [is] more or less to limit your criticism of models,” he says. The Summary for Policymakers, on the other hand—the only part of the report that the media and the politicians pay any attention to—“rips out doubts to a large extent. .  .  . [Furthermore], government representatives have the final say on the summary.” Thus, while the full IPPC report demonstrates a significant amount of doubt among scientists, the essentially political Summary for Policymakers filters it out.

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If Lindzen is right about this and global warming is nothing to worry about, why do so many climate scientists, many with résumés just as impressive as his, preach imminent doom? He says it mostly comes down to the money—to the incentive structure of academic research funded by government grants. Almost all funding for climate research comes from the government, which, he says, makes scientists essentially vassals of the state. And generating fear, Lindzen contends, is now the best way to ensure that policymakers keep the spigot open.

Science was flush with government money after the success of the Manhattan Project, but science budgets have been cut now for decades. And that's the real Global Warming Crisis.

“It was recognized that gratitude [for the bomb that ended the War with Japan] only went so far,” Lindzen says, “and fear was going to be a much greater motivator. And so thatÂ’s when people began thinking about .  .  . how to perpetuate fear that would motivate the support of science.”

A need to generate fear, in LindzenÂ’s telling, is whatÂ’s driving the apocalyptic rhetoric heard from many climate scientists and their media allies. “The idea was, to engage the public you needed an event .  .  . not just a Sputnik—a drought, a storm, a sand demon. You know, something you could latch onto. [Climate scientists] carefully arranged a congressional hearing. And they arranged for [James] Hansen [author of Storms of My Grandchildren, and one of the leading global warming “alarmists”] to come and say something vague that would somehow relate a heat wave or a drought to global warming.”

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In a 2012 public letter, Lindzen noted, “Critics accuse me of doing a disservice to the scientific method. I would suggest that in questioning the views of the critics and subjecting them to specific tests, I am holding to the scientific method.” Whoever is right about computer models, climate sensitivity, aerosols, and water vapor, Lindzen is certainly right about that. Skepticism is essential to science.

Skepticism is essential to science -- but poison to a political cause. And thus Lindzen is despised by the Left and the politicized "scientists" of the United Apocalyptic Church of Global Warming Somethinging.

Meanwhile, also thanks to @rdbrewer4 in the sidebar, Everything Old Is New Again.

The polar vortex is a permanent polar cyclone of low-pressure cold air. When it moves south from the North Pole (or, I guess, north from the South Pole), it plunges habitable areas into miserable cold.

And it's always been doing that, obviously. Every winter that I can remember featured cold air blowing down from the Pole.

Time magazine now claims that the shifting of the polar vortex is due to Global Warming.

But in 1974, Time made an equally dire claim: that the shifting of the polar vortex was due to, yes, Global Cooling.

Some scientists are disputing this lunacy -- see, for example, Princeton Physicist Dr. Will Harper notes that polar vortices have been around "forever" and have nothing at all to do with carbon dioxide. They're caused by simple fluid dynamics -- the earth's rotation, the fact that the polar latitudes get almost no sunlight.

If I understand this right, the polar vortex forms a mostly-permanent front, the cold air abutting on the warmer air of the temperate zone. Any front is "unstable" in the sense that it's going to move, as warm air pushes into the cold area, and cold air into the warm area.

What does this have to do with carbon dioxide?

And, by the way, a polar vortex Saved America.

Like any fluid system at “high Reynolds number,” the jet stream is highly unstable, and from time to time it develops meanders to low latitudes, like the one we have had the past few days. About this time of year in 1777, just before the Battle of Princeton, there was a similar sequence. On January 2, Cornwallis’s men marched south from New York City through cold rain and muddy roads to try to trap George Washington and his little Continental Army in Trenton . On the night of January 2-3, a polar vortex swept across New Jersey, with snow and a very hard freeze. Aided by the extremely cold weather, Washington was able to evacuate his troops and artillery over newly frozen roads and to avoid Cornwallis’s encirclement. Reaching Princeton on the viciously cold morning of January 3, Washington won another battle against the British and escaped to winter quarters in Morristown. Thank you polar vortex!

And thank you, Global Somethinging.

Podcast: The Weekly Standard has a podcast in which Michael Graham talks with Ethan Epstain about his article.

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1 FIrst!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 08, 2014 10:37 AM (o3MSL)

2 Accepts the Earth Has *Warmed* Ha--I think they will switch to --Global *Warning*

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 10:38 AM (RJMhd)

3
he lost me at "CO2 is a greenhouse gas"

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 10:38 AM (gYIst)

4 Anyone seen Jane D'oh?  Hoping everything is OK with her and with D''oh  Boy

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 08, 2014 10:38 AM (PZ6/M)

5 Climate Vhange: In three months it will be spring. Then the climate will change again & it will be summer. Then fall. Then winter........

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 10:38 AM (FNtJ6)

6 There is no man-made global warming.  The entire thing is a criminal scam and the warmies like Gore should be in jail.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 10:38 AM (T2V/1)

7 It's filled with words.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2014 10:39 AM (WGO2r)

8 The Unicorns are suffering.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at January 08, 2014 10:40 AM (j6DTo)

9
Do you know when CO2 is a "greenhouse gas," i.e., having a greenhouse effect in a space?

In a friggin greenhouse!

Earth's atmosphere is not a greenhouse. Not even close. Is it?

IS IT?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 10:40 AM (gYIst)

10 I have high hopes that someday the scientific method will trump politics and repeatable, observable reality will become the order of the scientific day.  Let the progressives move on to corrupt some other aspect of human existence and leave science be.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 10:40 AM (B5y+v)

11 climate is what you expect, weather is what you get - said someone

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 08, 2014 10:41 AM (nTgAI)

12 Does professor Lindzen have a take on a pistols fire-ability when submerged in vaggie juice?

Posted by: ajlfour at January 08, 2014 10:41 AM (HZzK2)

13

United Apocalyptic Church of Global Warming Somethinging.

 

Since the Al Gore enviro-thriller came out, I've been calling it the Church of Environtology.  Seems to rile up the useful idiots fairly well.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 08, 2014 10:41 AM (NF2Bf)

14 Ed henry is asking carney questions, the temperature went up 3 degrees.

Posted by: redenzo at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (WCnJW)

15

>>Time magazine now claims that the shifting of the polar vortex is due to Global Warming.

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.Yep saw this in yesterdays Lexington Herald Newspaper.  They claim NASA has proven that Global Warming has interrupted the natural cycle of Polar air and is causing massive shifts in the currents which caused the most recent Polar Vortex, even though there has been no warming anywhere for 17 years.

Posted by: Registered voter at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (xqjwP)

16 And there is no "scientific method" involved the AGW scam.  The conclusion was invented with no science at all and manufactured data.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (T2V/1)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (PYAXX)

18 So if the airmass is unstable, does it become a bi-polar vortex???

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (wtvvX)

19

George Washington and Polarvotex walk into a  bar.

 

 

George Washington  says,    " Get  whatever you want.   Drinks  are  all  on  me  tonight.  "

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (m2CN7)

20 You're talking about skepticism as a virtue but the whole point of the argument is whether the theory's justified enough that skepticism is unwarranted. Saying "skepticism is good" doesn't answer that.

Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (KKla3)

21 It's always been about the money.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at January 08, 2014 10:42 AM (QM5S2)

22

Eisenhower warned about the academic-research grant complex, and here it is described in full.

 

(No really - he did.)

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 10:43 AM (hLRSq)

23 The Church of What's Warmenin' Now!

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 08, 2014 10:43 AM (wtvvX)

24

>>>>climate is what you expect, weather is what you get - said someone

 

Sun is what you want

Climate is what you'll accept

Weather is what you wind up with

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 10:43 AM (3ZtZW)

25 The current state of natural sciences is worse than you paint, Ace. Anyone who has ever spent time in a grad-level life science course can attest there are many there who have no problem with a Kuhnian model of scientific truth, and there are even some whose main motivation is to perfect a process for human parthenogenesis.
...until the day when the only AHR (Authorized Human Reproduction) will be by politically-approved lesbians, si se puede! venceremos!

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 10:43 AM (pHsgM)

26 Some scientists are disputing this lunacy -- see, for example, Princeton Physicist Dr. Will Harper notes that polar vortices have been around "forever" and have nothing at all to do with carbon dioxide. They're caused by simple fluid dynamics -- the earth's rotation, the fact that the polar latitudes get almost no sunlight. ********* That reminds me--you know that hole over Aussie Land--in the ozone? Have you scene the size of the shits--an Aussie can take? Fiber is going to be illegal in Australia- when the Global Warmists figure that one out.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 10:43 AM (RJMhd)

27 You know, I think I could take the left more seriously if they were consistent in their beliefs.

This cooling/warming fiasco is just one more example.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 08, 2014 10:44 AM (fwARV)

28 Have you *seen* the size of the shits--an Aussie can take? (damn it- it's catching)

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 10:44 AM (RJMhd)

29 the fact that the polar latitudes get almost no sunlight.

We must fight SUNLIGHT INEQUALITY!!!

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 10:44 AM (ZKzrr)

30
I'm watching CNN make a big deal about Christie's "bridge scandal."

And I'm laughing me bum-bum off!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 10:45 AM (gYIst)

31 Just last week cops found a lady with a polar vortex in her vajayjay.

Posted by: Dang at January 08, 2014 10:45 AM (MNq6o)

32 Thank you, Ace, thank you!  Clean up on that ENTIRE last thread please - with bleach.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 10:45 AM (gvqyH)

33 he lost me at "CO2 is a greenhouse gas"

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 02:38 PM (gYIst)

 

Well technically it is.       The question   is   whether      its presence in the atmosphere in current   or    future   expected     quantities     is   responsible for catastrophic climate change,  and the answer is no.      We are not Venus.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:45 AM (4df7R)

34 Michael Crichton (Rip) -- a genius

Posted by: Zombie Curtis Le May at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (4JkHl)

35 >>>he lost me at "CO2 is a greenhouse gas" It is. There are certain things that really are proven and to argue them makes one sound foolish. CO2 IS a greenhouse gas-- albeit a very weak one. And, based on 100 years of temperature records, the earth has warmed by one degree C (1.6 degrees F). And yes, the fraction of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased in the past 50 years (or when they started measuring it) from about 300 parts per million to 400 parts per million. These are actually established facts that even skeptics do not deny.

Posted by: ace at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (/FnUH)

36 It seems to me, that any serious scientific discussion of man-made global warming should begin an irrefutable case that the sun isn't responsible for any temperature effects that have been observed.

But of course, if the sun was responsible, then politicians couldn't exploit it to ram socialistic policies and social engineering down our throats.

Posted by: Brewer at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (eV1I0)

37 So my wife says, not tonight I have polar votex.

Posted by: rodney dangerfield at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (WCnJW)

38

>>>The current state of natural sciences is worse than you paint

 

No kidding! I just read about Global Sedimentation and how that's gonna bury us all!

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (3ZtZW)

39
America! killing you in your sleep on Christmas and Vortexing the crap out of the enemy!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (n0DEs)

40 We must fight SUNLIGHT INEQUALITY!!!
Posted by: HR



Sunlight Desserts.

Word.

Posted by: Moochelle Obama at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (MNq6o)

41 @33 Ban dihydrogen monoxide!!eleventy!

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (pHsgM)

42 This whole mess is now and has always been merely an excuse to commit more government.  It's about control, not science.   About the smart and enlightened few telling those the enlightened see as a large group of vagina holster wearers what the hell they can and cannot do.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 10:46 AM (B5y+v)

43 I bought a painting entitled "Wold Howling at Polar Vortex" in Sante Fe, New Mexico back in 1997. It was in a lovely little art gallery run by a nice lady. It was focused on "Outsider" Navajo art. Very quaint. It was sandwiched between two other art galleries and a Starbucks. Brand new gallery. I think I was her first sale that month.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 10:47 AM (ZPrif)

44

Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 02:42 PM (KKla3)

 

 

The theory is "proven" by computer models, and the models are not matching reality.  So I guess skepticism is the order of the day.  If you want proof and be doing actual science that is.  If you want power, fame, and lots of research grants you deride skepticism and tell people to believe based on faith.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 10:47 AM (hLRSq)

45 Yeah and if we decide to do something about man made global warming while China and India decide it's not worth their time, then what?

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 08, 2014 10:47 AM (WdbF7)

46 You're talking about skepticism as a virtue but the whole point of the argument is whether the theory's justified enough that skepticism is unwarranted. Saying "skepticism is good" doesn't answer that. Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 02:42 PM (KKla3) First of all, it's a collection of shifting hypotheses, not a theory. Secondly, until you have a robust collection of successful tests, it's not a theory. If you change the hypotheses you're sort of starting again. Thirdly, skepticism is warranted until you get to the point of a robust collection of successful tests, and as we've seen, the predictive tests of the larger hypotheses have pretty much all failed, mostly very badly. Even after that a *little* skepticism is warranted. Part of the problem is the political advocates want to reverse the null hypothesis without ever actually testing against it. That should have been the first step, and it wasn't, because this was never about science, it was about power and control.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 10:47 AM (qyfb5)

47 Does professor Lindzen have a take on a pistols fire-ability when submerged in vaggie juice?

Posted by: ajlfour at January 08, 2014 02:41 PM (HZzK2)

 

"Seems fishy to me."

 

-Prof Lindzen

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:47 AM (4df7R)

48 The other seldom mentioned thing is that any warming that has actually occurred since 1800 occurred earlin the century.  There has been virtually no warming in the 20th century and we have actually been cooling since 1998.  And they are making it appear to be flat lining by manipulating the raw data.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 08, 2014 10:47 AM (T2V/1)

49
CO2 IS a greenhouse gas-- albeit a very weak one.

Yeah, broseph, I already made that point.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 10:48 AM (gYIst)

50 Climate Science is a shape-shifter and Dr. Who doesn't approve of shape-shifters. 

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 10:48 AM (B5y+v)

51 >>> The other seldom mentioned thing is that any warming that has actually occurred since 1800 occurred earlin the century. yeah 1834 is actually the warmest year on record. Global Warmists wet themselves when current years almost beat 1834.

Posted by: ace at January 08, 2014 10:48 AM (/FnUH)

52 Sorry, I do like my Zombie Curtis Le May sock but its not appropriate here.  He actually understood the limits of fear as a tool of policy and the need for actual fire, lots of fire.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 10:49 AM (4JkHl)

53 Sunlight Desserts.

Word.

Posted by: Moochelle Obama at January 08, 2014 02:46 PM (MNq6o)

 

 

Mmmm, sunlight desserts.   Followed by moonlight cocktails.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:49 AM (4df7R)

54 Hey Al!!  I gotta hockey stick in my pants!!

Posted by: the guy that has everything in his pants at January 08, 2014 10:49 AM (wmU4G)

55 he lost me at "CO2 is a greenhouse gas" Oh, I'll buy that. But it's also a trace gas. These people are dependent on "climate models" that they PROUDLY say involve no data.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (T0NGe)

56 I heard on the radio news today that the DOJ is going after four weight loss companies for fraud, one was a powder yo sprinkle on, one was a cream you rub on, one was a diet pill, and it didn't say what the other was. The DOJ is imposing a $34 million fine.

This weight loss stuff is no doubt a fraud but it pales in comparison to global warming and Obamacare.  Holder is worried about a mosquito bite when Dracula has us by the neck.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (Hx5uv)

57

>>Well technically it is. The question is whether its presence in the atmosphere in current or future expected quantities is responsible for catastrophic climate change, and the answer is no. We are not Venus.

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.Under certain very limited pressure conditions yes.   See Mars. 

Posted by: Registered voter at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (xqjwP)

58 Of course CO2 is a greenhouse gas. It has become a point of contention and name-calling because, just like "theory" doesn't mean the same thing in science as it does in general conversation, neither does "greenhouse." And also because CO2 doesn't have a linear response, the effect of the scattering of IR falls off with concentration, and even then it's kind of trivial compared to moe common heatsinks, atmospheric pressure, etc.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (qyfb5)

59 We might actually break into the above 0 mark today here in MN for the first time in 4 days. Faster with that warming shit please.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (FciyD)

60 This thread does not live up to the standards for this blog. I demanded genitals and firearms!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (9NK1Z)

61 All I wanna know is, is it a- gonna keep the Mooch in Hawaii and b - keep the beer cold.

Everything else is secondary...

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (zL/eJ)

62 Yeah, broseph, I already made that point.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 02:48 PM (gYIst)

 

Yes, but saying it's not a greenhouse gas when it IS a greenhouse gas is silly.  Whether or not that was your intention, that's how    your comments came across.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:50 AM (4df7R)

63 @46 As far as I know, the only actual experiment in global warming took place on September 12, 2001, when suddenly the airlines stopped pumping jet exhaust into the stratosphere.
Guess what happened.

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 10:51 AM (pHsgM)

64 In short: "Global Warming as a crisis to be 'fixed' is a hoax, has always been a hoax, and always will be a hoax."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 10:51 AM (PYAXX)

65 The key is that it's a religion. Human's are inherently religious. For the Ruling Class, Environmentalism has crawled into the desiccated husk of Christianity. It unites them in a Great Cause. It gives them Meaning and Purpose. In their mind they are literally saving the planet, like the hero in an action movie.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 10:51 AM (ZPrif)

66 Have you seen the size of the shits--an Aussie can take? No, but my nine year-old nephew left a movement unflushed once. I doubt an Aussie can beat what I saw in there.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 10:51 AM (o4Xc4)

67

61 All I wanna know is, is it a- gonna keep the Mooch in Hawaii and b - keep the beer cold.

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Yes and Yes

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 10:51 AM (B5y+v)

68 You're talking about skepticism as a virtue but the whole point of the argument is whether the theory's justified enough that skepticism is unwarranted. Saying "skepticism is good" doesn't answer that.

Posted by: JL

No, he didn't. He wrote,"Skepticism is essential to science."

It's right there in the post.

Further, he's correct. Skepticism is part of the scientific process. If one doesn't use skepticism throughout research, one is not doing science.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 10:51 AM (dwArK)

69 Under certain very limited pressure conditions yes. See Mars.

Posted by: Registered voter at January 08, 2014 02:50 PM (xqjwP)

 

Yes, but we aren't Mars either.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:52 AM (4df7R)

70 @59 Word, dude! On my way to Winona today, I passed acre after acre of ruined banana plants.

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 10:52 AM (pHsgM)

71 "And also because CO2 doesn't have a linear response, the effect of the scattering of IR falls off with concentration, and even then it's kind of trivial compared to moe common heatsinks, atmospheric pressure, etc. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith"

I doubt you need to get all fancy with the physics.  The error is there in instrument and reporting error, spatial sampling error (and spatial analysis error), and simple observation bias.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 10:52 AM (4JkHl)

72 35 >>>he lost me at "CO2 is a greenhouse gas" It is. There are certain things that really are proven and to argue them makes one sound foolish. CO2 IS a greenhouse gas-- albeit a very weak one. And, based on 100 years of temperature records, the earth has warmed by one degree C (1.6 degrees F). And yes, the fraction of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased in the past 50 years (or when they started measuring it) from about 300 parts per million to 400 parts per million. These are actually established facts that even skeptics do not deny. Posted by: ace at January 08, 2014 02:46 PM (/FnUH) ******** Most of it coming from China and India probably. And here's the thing we lost *Elitist Libertarians* and other assorted Know It All Republicans --over this. When-- Senator INHOFE was right all along. Where are the mea culpas from those lecturing nits? That's right--they've moved on.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 10:52 AM (RJMhd)

73 That idiot, Chomsky is also an MIT prof, so... as far as credibility goes, not much of it.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 10:52 AM (x3YFz)

74 Global warming is real! You want to argue about it?Who's crazy now? You or me?

Posted by: Jenny McCarthy at January 08, 2014 10:53 AM (9NK1Z)

75 Didn't somebody post an article that basically shows additional CO2 in the atmosphere isn't going to do anything, because the current amount of CO2 is *already* absorbing all the heat there is to be absorbed (at least- in the IR range which CO2 can absorb)?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 10:53 AM (PYAXX)

76 Money can not really explain the global success of the eco-movement across so many disparate countries, cultures, languages, and ruling classes. A lot of other scares could have been hyped up. Environmentalism and Global Warming succeeded because it filled a spiritual void in the global ruling class that had abandoned the faith of their fathers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 10:53 AM (ZPrif)

77 It's not 'settled science' -- it's sloppy science. Imagine a ninth grader turning in an Earth Science paper using only one variable to describe some effect while dismissing all others. It would be a paper well deserving of an F- grade. Or imagine a bibliography with only one source, CO2.

Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at January 08, 2014 10:53 AM (VtKs5)

78 Prof. Will Harper at Princeton: a lone sane voice at an institution that has sold its soul, and its sanity.    
From one who knows.

Posted by: jb at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (3tdHf)

79 @65 But it's all true! The only thing that can save us now from the evil, tool-using bipeds is more abortions to appease Moloch, and angry and narcissistic god.

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (pHsgM)

80 I'm watching CNN make a big deal about Christie's "bridge scandal." And I'm laughing me bum-bum off! Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 02:45 PM ..............Benghazi? Meh. OMG he closed a bridge!!!! Off with his head! That being said, fuck that fat tub of RINO filled goo with an ice auger, sideways.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (FciyD)

81 Venus always comes up. Venus has atmosphere as thick as water, there's just a lot more mass to hold heat. And closer to the sun. And IIRC produces more heat than it receives - it's a net radiator of heat. Basically it's comparing apples and cast iron stoves.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (qyfb5)

82 Yeah, CO2 is a greenhouse gas. There's no real debate about that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

83 66 Have you seen the size of the shits--an Aussie can take? No, but my nine year-old nephew left a movement unflushed once. I doubt an Aussie can beat what I saw in there. Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2014 02:51 PM (o4Xc4) ********** Okay. But--I'm talking about the Aussies that they send over here for certain training. One place now pre-orders porta potties before they visit.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (RJMhd)

84 And, based on 100 years of temperature records, the earth has warmed by one degree C (1.6 degrees F). I thought it was 0.7 degrees C, sometimes rounded to one degree. Also, didn't that one degree (rounded) get mostly wiped out sometime in the last decade?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (o4Xc4)

85 Anyone remember  all the hype about the   hole in the Ozone layer  and how that all quietly disappeared.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (gvqyH)

86 This whole article just makes me think of Ghost Busters. "I've worked in the public sector. It's awful. The expect results!"

Posted by: Lauren at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (hFL/3)

87 It's always been about the money.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at January 08, 2014 02:42 PM (QM5S2)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

And power. 

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 10:54 AM (PdEAn)

88

It's always been about the money.

 

Not only about the money.  It's been hijacked to being about anti-capitalism, industry, progress, and my big honkin' XTerra.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 10:55 AM (A0sHn)

89 Glenn's response is always the best:
I'll believe it's a crisis when those telling me it's a crisis start acting like it's a damned crisis. Until then, I don't want to hear another damned word about my carbon footprint.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2014 10:55 AM (VjL9S)

90 I'm watching CNN make a big deal about Christie's "bridge scandal."
-
Christie ate a bridge?

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 10:55 AM (Hx5uv)

91 And, based on 100 years of temperature records, the earth has warmed by one degree C (1.6 degrees F).

I thought the guy said it was 'tenths' of one degree.

Posted by: Hampton (Rhodes) Beddington at January 08, 2014 10:55 AM (2u20D)

92

Venus always comes up. Venus has atmosphere as thick as water, there's just a lot more mass to hold heat. And closer to the sun. And IIRC produces more heat than it receives - it's a net radiator of heat.



Basically it's comparing apples and cast iron stoves.

 

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 02:54 PM (qyfb5)

 

 

*sigh*

 

Yes, I know.     That is why I said we are not Venus.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:56 AM (4df7R)

93 Until they re-publish the baseline work with the upside-down data series from that lake in Finland corrected and they're statistical methods validated - and then issue corrective statements in the subsequent referencing literature, its not science.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 10:56 AM (4JkHl)

94 "He says it mostly comes down to the money—to the incentive structure of academic research funded by government grants. Almost all funding for climate research comes from the government, which, he says, makes scientists essentially vassals of the state."

Yep. And then Mikey NTH beat me to the punch. I was going to sock Ike and repeat the warning from his farewell address.

It's funny how liberals absolutely adore quoting Eisenhower on the inherent dangers of the "military-industrial complex", but those same liberals always discreetly dance away from what Eisenhower warned of virtually in the same breath, which was the capture of policy by a "scientific-technological elite" itself dancing on the strings of federal funding.

The entirety of the address is worth a read. Completely absent from it, of course, is any of the incessant I-me-my egotism of Obama speechifying.

Note also the gentle humility with which Eisenhower announces at the end how he proudly welcomes becoming a private citizen. It's clear he considered that role as a centrally important one in American life. How long has it been since our current arrogant New Class elites recognized or paid any fealty to that principle?

Posted by: torquewrench at January 08, 2014 10:56 AM (gqT4g)

95 From the North Pole, every direction is south.  From the South Pole, every direction is north.

Posted by: CUS at January 08, 2014 10:56 AM (wcLJG)

96 75 Didn't somebody post an article that basically shows additional CO2 in the atmosphere isn't going to do anything, because the current amount of CO2 is *already* absorbing all the heat there is to be absorbed (at least- in the IR range which CO2 can absorb)?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 02:53 PM (PYAXX)

Yup. Like 10 years ago.  or 20.

You guys know I'm a physicist and take this somewhat personally because these assclowns are fkn up my field.  I'm not happy.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 10:56 AM (x3YFz)

97 "Anyone remember all the hype about the hole in the Ozone layer and how that all quietly disappeared. Posted by: Havedash"

Yes, put to bed quietly - but did you notice that you didn't get your freon back?

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 10:57 AM (4JkHl)

98

90 I'm watching CNN make a big deal about Christie's "bridge scandal."
-
Christie ate a bridge?

 

I thought he was playing bridge.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 08, 2014 10:57 AM (EGPJQ)

99 I thought he was playing bridge.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 08, 2014 02:57 PM (EGPJQ)

 

No, the bridge was played by Brian Dennehy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 10:57 AM (4df7R)

100 Yup. Like 10 years ago. or 20.

You guys know I'm a physicist and take this somewhat personally because these assclowns are fkn up my field. I'm not happy.
Posted by: tangonine

Dude, I build FTIRs - Ive measured the saturation - twenty years ago.  It all been a scam from day one.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 10:58 AM (4JkHl)

101 "To coordinate these hundreds, they quickly organized the Climate Action Network, the central body on climate. There would be, I think, actual meetings to tell them what the party line is for the year, and so on. Skeptics, on the other hand, are more scattered across disciplines and continents. As such, they have a much harder time getting their message across." ------------------- At the risk of going OT, this is, not un-coincidentally, the problem that conservatives have in dealing with the Left/Liberl/Progs in general.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 10:59 AM (aDwsi)

102
There are other articles that also theorize that a 2 degree warming would be unbelievably helpful for humans in food production.  So much new land would be available for farming.

Leftists want people to starve!!!eleventy!!!!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 10:59 AM (n0DEs)

103 Scientists push it to get money from bureaucrats and politicos, who push it to get power. But anti-AGW people are paid off by Big Oil, and Big Government doesn't buy anybody....

Posted by: --- at January 08, 2014 10:59 AM (MMC8r)

104 Yep. Ruling Class Eco-Fascists: Oh my God!! Climate Change is gong to kill us all. We're all going to drown! By the way, you really have to come visit my new beach house in Miami. It is to die for! And thank god the town council closed the public beach that was just a mile down the road. Worst. People. Ever. I tried to talk to some of those fat, pasty tourists once about Climate Change and they looked at me like I was crazy. Probably Republicans.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

105 Didn't somebody post an article that basically shows additional CO2 in the atmosphere isn't going to do anything, because the current amount of CO2 is *already* absorbing all the heat there is to be absorbed (at least- in the IR range which CO2 can absorb)?

Posted by: AllenG

Yes, but already dodged by the alarmists. That's why they had to come up with 'forcing,' water vapor and other factors amplifying the long wave uptake.

It's one long exercise in ad-hoc bullshit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 10:59 AM (dwArK)

106 Yes, I know. That is why I said we are not Venus. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 08, 2014 02:56 PM (4df7R) I wasn't criticizing you, MWR. Not every post on the same topic has to be a fight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 10:59 AM (qyfb5)

107 Venus is all screwed up. Their 'day' is longer then a year. Makes for a pretty decent 'Happy Hour' though I imagine.

Posted by: Recovering Businessperson [/i] at January 08, 2014 11:00 AM (VtKs5)

108 I thought he was playing bridge. Posted by: Foghorn --------------- That was Spades..., and it was Reggie and The Barker.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:00 AM (aDwsi)

109 Their day is longer than a year? I think I once worked on Venus.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 11:01 AM (ZshNr)

110 Dude, I build FTIRs - Ive measured the saturation - twenty years ago. It all been a scam from day one.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 02:58 PM (4JkHl)

It makes me want to throat punch someone.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:01 AM (x3YFz)

111 "Skepticism is part of the scientific process. If one doesn't use skepticism throughout research, one is not doing science."

Feynman. Caltech. 1974. Some assembly required.

http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm

Posted by: torquewrench at January 08, 2014 11:01 AM (gqT4g)

112 Makes for a pretty decent 'Happy Hour' though I imagine. Posted by: Recovering Businessperson ----------------- If I ever open a bar for Morons, it is going to feature an 'Unhappy Hour'. Open mic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:01 AM (aDwsi)

113 Crichton based his global warming skeptic professor in State of Fear on this Lindzen guy, right?

Posted by: mugiwara at January 08, 2014 11:01 AM (diGvP)

114 I'm sorry but his arguments and "science" don't convince me as much as a well time, Jon Stewart snark-smirk-smug. signed, xxoo most of my dipshit lib friends on facebook

Posted by: that guy at January 08, 2014 11:02 AM (QxSug)

115 It is the job of scientists to disprove what 'experts' say.

Posted by: Something I Think Richard Feynman Said at January 08, 2014 11:02 AM (aDwsi)

116 The public doesn't buy this anymore. Before this cold snap.

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:02 AM (zOTsN)

117 - But of course, if the sun was responsible, then politicians couldn't exploit it to ram socialistic policies and social engineering down our throats. Posted by: Brewer at January 08, 2014 02:46 PM ---------- Oh yeah???

Posted by: Barky's tanning tax at January 08, 2014 11:02 AM (Ze8oh)

118 Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 08, 2014 02:59 PM (dwArK) First, I just noticed your hash, and it puts me in mind of all I hear whenever a warmist opens his mouth: "dwaaaark!" Second, the problem is they're fast-talking with that (which, of course, you already knew). Because even with "forcing" and water vapor and such, they're still trying to restrict CO2 emissions- which would do nothing about those other factors.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:02 AM (PYAXX)

119

>>>It makes me want to throat punch someone.

 

Anytime you wanna be the frat pledge, we've got lists.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 11:03 AM (3ZtZW)

120 Crichton had a good point in State of Fear, the protagonists just gave up and said, here, we'll print this shit out for you since you refuse to believe anything not preapproved by your leftist overlords.

Posted by: that guy at January 08, 2014 11:03 AM (QxSug)

121 106 Yes, I know. That is why I said we are not Venus.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 08, 2014 02:56 PM (4df7R)

I wasn't criticizing you, MWR.

Not every post on the same topic has to be a fight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 02:59 PM (qyfb5)

Group hug.  Now. 

Don't look at me that way.

Hug.

Or I will PT both of you until your earlobes bleed.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:03 AM (x3YFz)

122
Group hug. Now.

Don't look at me that way.

Hug.

Or I will PT both of you until your earlobes bleed.

Posted by: tangonine

Hands! Hands!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 11:04 AM (dwArK)

123

 he lost me at "CO2 is a greenhouse gas"

Oh, I'll buy that. But it's also a trace gas.

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

In medicine, trace, most of the time,  means "of no diagnostic importance".   I've never understood the enviro-wackos insistence on keeping CO2 as their premiere destroyer of life on earth.  IT'S  THE GAS THAT KEEPS THE EARTH GREEN.  Fucking stupid asswipes.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 11:04 AM (PdEAn)

124 Yes, put to bed quietly - but did you notice that you didn't get your freon back? Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 02:57 PM ............Or our friggen incandescent light bulbs! God I hate econazi's! BTW. Do those idiots think people are going to go to the trouble of recycling these shitty bulbs?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 11:04 AM (FciyD)

125 Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 03:03 PM (x3YFz) Ummm... I don't think MWR trusts a "hug" from Merovign. Just sayin'. Mero- her back isn't down there!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:04 AM (PYAXX)

126

>>*sigh*

Yes, I know. That is why I said we are not Venus.

.

.I thought you said we aren't on Mars.

Posted by: Registered voter at January 08, 2014 11:05 AM (xqjwP)

127 Ruling Class Eco-Fascists: Oh my God!! Climate Change is gong to kill us all. We're all going to drown! Posted by: Flatbush Joe --------------- I got an email from a liberal acquaintance, wherein he stated "... we're going to choke to death on CO2.." I didn't even bother to reply.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:05 AM (aDwsi)

128

If I ever open a bar for Morons, it is going to feature an 'Unhappy Hour'. Open mic.

 

I assume there will also be regular appearances by Hadji?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 08, 2014 11:05 AM (NF2Bf)

129

They can tell me what the temperature will be in 20 years but can't tell me for sure if its going to rain Sunday or not.  

 

I'm not making a tee time 20 years from  now. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 11:05 AM (m2CN7)

130 Or I will PT both of you until your earlobes bleed.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 03:03 PM (x3YFz)


OOooooooohhhh... I managed to never hear that one ever.  That's nice.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 08, 2014 11:06 AM (fwARV)

131 Yes, I know. That is why I said we are not Venus. . .I thought you said we aren't on Mars. Is this going to turn into an argument about Space Aliens?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:06 AM (PYAXX)

132 Don't you think it is a relative operation in futility to try and control the "Free World" via Global Warming regulations when most of it is coming from places we can't control--China and India? And those places are probably only going to amp up production--so to speak. I kind of doubt you riding a bike to work would make much of a difference.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:06 AM (RJMhd)

133 Is this going to turn into an argument about Space Aliens? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 03:06 PM (PYAXX) Oh, we couldn't *get* that lucky.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 11:06 AM (qyfb5)

134 The only reason they chose CO2 as the bogeyman is that it's a natural byproduct of human life and a byproduct of human advancement. They control that, they literally control everything.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 11:07 AM (ZshNr)

135 Women are from Venus Men are from mars Enviro-nazis are from Uranus

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:07 AM (zOTsN)

136

>>Is this going to turn into an argument about Space Aliens?

.

.

.Space Pirate Ninja Zombies.

Posted by: Registered voter at January 08, 2014 11:07 AM (xqjwP)

137 @118 The E.P.A. wanted to regulate dust last year.
Dust. From non-point sources.
They're insane.

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (pHsgM)

138 those big white fluffy things in the sky made of water and the big yellow ouchy to look at thing in the sky have much more impact on global temps than CO2. Sure sure, CO2 may be a greenhouse gas but the correlation doesn't seem to pan out in the real world where CO2 has gone up but global temps have stayed level for 17 years.

Posted by: that guy at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (QxSug)

139 Vagdough time!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (FciyD)

140 ot -4dead in USAF Helicopter Crash in UK

http://tinyurl.com/mvebhe7

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (TE35l)

141 - 95 From the North Pole, every direction is south. From the South Pole, every direction is north. ----------------- What about up?

Posted by: said the smartass at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (Ze8oh)

142 English majors are the problem.  Bill McKibben, for example, sets himself up as a climatologist when in reality he is an ignorant scum-sucking progressive seeking only to control the population.  Fuck 'em.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (B5y+v)

143 I kind of doubt you riding a bike to work would make much of a *significant* difference.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (RJMhd)

144 Do those idiots think people are going to go to the trouble of recycling these shitty bulbs?>>

Though they probably didn't think ahead. But that will be a new "We're all gonna die" cause in the future. Where giant Super Slush Funds will be allocated for the cleanup.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 08, 2014 11:08 AM (tf9Ne)

145
CNN: GOP identification at lowest level in 2013 (25%) in the past 25 years, Democrat i.d. unchanged (31%) for the last 4 years.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 11:09 AM (gYIst)

146 Yes, I know. That is why I said we are not Venus. . .I thought you said we aren't on Mars. -------------- Heh. I thought that it was a male-female dust-up. Doesn't pay to jump into the thread late.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:09 AM (aDwsi)

147 Gotta run, fellow morons. Thx, enjoyed that.

Posted by: Life 'n' Liberty Lover at January 08, 2014 11:09 AM (pHsgM)

148 All you need to know about AGW is that 1) The data is falsified, faked, coordinated, covered up by both climate mongers and their media and responsible scientists who try to set a level field with a rational discussion over actual verified evidence are totured by lost funding if possible and then burned at the stake. 2) Look at the UN and World AGW Conference agendas every year; They begin with plans to establish a planet-wide central power structure to administer "Climate Justice". 3) Profit!

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 11:09 AM (MphdD)

149 those big white fluffy things in the sky made of water ... have much more impact on global temps than CO2. And didn't I read somewhere that we're not even sure exactly *what* the impact is (warming or cooling)? I could have sworn I saw something like that a year or so ago on WUWT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:09 AM (PYAXX)

150 Do those idiots think people are going to go to the trouble of recycling these shitty bulbs?

As long as GE gets everyone's money, they don't care.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:10 AM (ZKzrr)

151 And yes, the fraction of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased in the past 50 years (or when they started measuring it) from about 300 parts per million to 400 parts per million.
============
And every single study that has been done has concluded that plants evolved in a climate where carbon dioxide was double or more of that.
They grow bigger, grow larger fruit and use less water every time they test it.

Yet, they'll never, ever tell you that. What with them being the "party of science and evolution. (except the parts that we don't like, which is most of it.)"

Fear of global warming due to CO2 is pure anthropocentric blather--the plants, who outnumber humans by several multiples, will love it.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2014 11:10 AM (VjL9S)

152 Anytime you hear the word "justice" attached to something, know its a redistributionist plot

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:11 AM (zOTsN)

153 Or I will PT both of you until your earlobes bleed.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 03:03 PM (x3YFz)

 

OW!   Why'd you have to go do that for?

 

*hugs Merovign*  

 

I'm in a bitchy mood, Merovign, so I apologize for being snarky.   This week is hell.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 11:11 AM (4df7R)

154
The only reason they chose CO2 as the bogeyman is that it's a natural byproduct of human life and a byproduct of human advancement. They control that, they literally control everything.

Precisely.

And all I can add is It's All Bullshit.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 11:11 AM (gYIst)

155 129 They can tell me what the temperature will be in 20 years but can't tell me for sure if its going to rain Sunday or not.

I'm not making a tee time 20 years from now.

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 03:05 PM (m2CN7)

Had this discussion with a colleague recently.

The most demanding, pure blood/sweat/tears degree is meteorology.  It's brutal.  complex systems, transforms, math coming at your face... it's a beast.

So you can do what?  Be wrong 80% of the time?

We determined that it's just witchcraft.  I can predict the weather for 48 hour by walking outside, taking a deep breath and looking at the clouds.

Meteorology is the #1 waste of time, energy and money.  Too many dependent variables.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:11 AM (x3YFz)

156 ot -4dead in USAF Helicopter Crash in UK Prayers for the families. God bless them.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:12 AM (PYAXX)

157
This "greenhouse" farce has given some of the "progressive" communities such things as "No Idle Zones."


Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 11:12 AM (gYIst)

158 So, let me see if I have this right: another "climate scientist" is being skewed for not adhering to the radical "OMG!!!11! We're all gonna DIE!!11!" agenda. Gee, why does this always happen?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 08, 2014 11:12 AM (0HooB)

159

.I thought you said we aren't on Mars.

 

I thought I made it clear in the Polar Vortex thread that we are   on Neptune.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 11:12 AM (4df7R)

160 fluid dynamics != simple

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:12 AM (guzmA)

161 The E.P.A. wanted to regulate dust last year.
Dust. From non-point sources.
They're insane.>>

It is being used to try and stomp on frac sand mining and transport currently.

http://www.startribune.com/local/190313011.html

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 08, 2014 11:13 AM (tf9Ne)

162 145
CNN: GOP identification at lowest level in 2013 (25%) in the past 25 years, Democrat i.d. unchanged (31%) for the last 4 years.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 03:09 PM (gYIst)

 

====================================

 

If the GOP stood for something  coherent  and  ideological,   ie,  something   other than "hey- lets win the next election!",  these numbers would be different. 

 

Losing two presidential elections in a row against a weak opponent hasn't convinced the party leadership, though, so I don't expect numbers like these to have an impact either.  I expect to hear "see, we need to run a Democrat-light in order to win" when they react.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 11:13 AM (B5y+v)

163 You want Earth You'd settle for Mars You'll get Pluto*

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 11:13 AM (ZshNr)

164

I'm surprised that no one is talking about the biggest scam of all:   The government grant cabal.  It's all political.  And the bullshit started with tobacco and the scientific "myths" that surround that research.

 

The gubmint saw that the tobacco panic worked and have spread out to most other disciplines of science.  It's all agenda driven and is eating up our liberties faster than  the gestapo on meth.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 11:13 AM (PdEAn)

165

4dead in USAF Helicopter Crash in UK

 

God bless and keep them, and give their loved ones comfort. 

 

Rest in peace, good souls.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 11:13 AM (4df7R)

166 Money can not really explain the global success of the eco-movement across so many disparate countries, cultures, languages, and ruling classes.

A lot of other scares could have been hyped up.
Environmentalism and Global Warming succeeded because it filled a spiritual void in the global ruling class that had abandoned the faith of their fathers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 08, 2014 02:53 PM (ZPrif)

 

 

It is an easy religion.  Your sins are easy sins to do penance for.  They are teh sort of sins that permit one to brag about how they are being overcome.  And for that you receive the applause of all the other rigth-thinking people.  And it is very up-to-date compared to other, more difficult religions.

 

It is the sort of thing that people who say "I am spiritual, but not religious," get involved in.  If it wasn't environmentalism it would be Veganism or Animal Rights, or Yoga, or something equally easy to do to grab the correct self-righteous smug.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 11:14 AM (hLRSq)

167 Prayers for those airmen and their families

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:14 AM (zOTsN)

168 I'm in a bitchy mood, Merovign, so I apologize for being snarky. This week is hell. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 08, 2014 03:11 PM (4df7R) Hell week? We have this in common. {{hugs}}

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 11:14 AM (qyfb5)

169 148 All you need to know about AGW is that 1) The data is falsified, faked, coordinated, covered up by both climate mongers and their media and responsible scientists who try to set a level field with a rational discussion over actual verified evidence are totured by lost funding if possible and then burned at the stake. 2) Look at the UN and World AGW Conference agendas every year; They begin with plans to establish a planet-wide central power structure to administer "Climate Justice". 3) Profit! Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 03:09 PM (MphdD) ********** Some of it was simply bad math. No joke. Years ago they discovered that an experiment involving weather balloons taking the temperature of the earth's upper atmosphere-- where the scientists forgot to account for or subtract the heat that was bounced back on the thermometer by the reflective material of the weather balloon.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:14 AM (RJMhd)

170 Remember that scene in the movie 2012 where the Tibetan Monk is ringing the bell just before the ocean swallows him, and his monastery positioned at 20,000 feet up in the Himalayas?  That's gonna happen to the whole Earth next Tuesday, January 14, 2014.  So, no use you all keeping your money.  Please send to me by wire to [redacted] and I'll be sure to take great care of it while you are all drowning.

Imbecile off/


Oh, and yes, we are in a 10k year interglacial warming period in the middle of an ice age (see wikipedia - sorry to beat a dead horse), which coincidentally is about the time period where humans were actually able to stop wandering around and were able to invent agriculture, and therefore "civilization" (scare quotes, because really, any "civilization" that has a high functioning retard like Obama as its most powerful person really isn't one).

The Warmening Cycle we are in allows humans to thrive.  Hang on another 1000 years or so, and we'll be back to Huge Fuzzy Ice Ball Earth, like most of the Earth's history.   

Posted by: Sharkman, channeling ManBearPig at January 08, 2014 11:15 AM (TM1p8)

171

>>>Anytime you hear the word "justice" attached to something, know its a redistributionist plot

 

Unless its a Steven Seagal movie. Then it's just crap.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 11:15 AM (3ZtZW)

172 CNN: GOP identification at lowest level in 2013 (25%) in the past 25 years, Democrat i.d. unchanged (31%) for the last 4 years. Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 03:09 PM .....................GOP: Meh, more of the same for you peons. You need to keep voting for us, cuz we're a little less stinky of a turd!

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 11:15 AM (FciyD)

173 160 fluid dynamics != simple

Posted by: Purp at January 08, 2014 03:12 PM (guzmA)

Au contraire!  Energy and path of least resistance.

Those two concepts solve every physics problem.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:15 AM (x3YFz)

174 Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 03:13 PM (ZshNr) D*mn you. {sings: Once upon a time in our Solar System, we couldn't make do without 9. Pluto's not a planet now, so 8'll do fine. Oh the cat'll have to live with 8 lives now The Chinese will be out of luck. Vampires will have to think of some other method 'Cause without their canines -how will the suck? Seven ate nine...}

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:15 AM (PYAXX)

175 It's called CLIMATE CHANGE--covers hot and cold weather.

You frickin' Nazi Deniers.  Ignoring the eleventy!1!est environmental Holocaust/Crisis facing manbearpigkind evah. 

Now pay your carbon tax and stfu.

Sincerely,

Leftist Frauds

Posted by: eureka! at January 08, 2014 11:16 AM (xiXna)

176 tango - My great regret is that I did not endeavor to become a weatherman. No one expects you to get it right, no one blames you when you are wrong, and if you haven't had time to work up a forecast, just flip the weather coin. My favorite forecast? 50% chance of rain..., maybe it will, maybe it won't.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:16 AM (aDwsi)

177 You want Earth You'd settle for Mars You'll get Pluto* Uranus.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 08, 2014 11:16 AM (FNtJ6)

178 Though they probably didn't think ahead. But that will be a new "We're all gonna die" cause in the future. Where giant Super Slush Funds will be allocated for the cleanup. Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 08, 2014 03:08 ......Probably, because 90% of people will not go to the trouble of recycling them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 11:16 AM (FciyD)

179 Here's a toast to the host Of those who love the vastness of the sky, To a friend we send a message of his brother men who fly. We drink to those who gave their all of old Then down we roar to score the rainbow's pot of gold. A toast to the host of men we boast, the U.S. Air Force

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:17 AM (zOTsN)

180 CNN: GOP identification at lowest level in 2013 (25%) in the past 25 years, Democrat i.d. unchanged (31%) for the last 4 years.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 03:09 PM (gYIst)


Um you failed to mention the dem number is at an all time low. It peaked in 08 at 36%.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 08, 2014 11:18 AM (WdbF7)

181 Hell week? We have this in common.

{{hugs}}

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 03:14 PM (qyfb5)

You guys so need to go with me to Don Shipley's Extreme SEAL Experience this summer.

Sugar cookies!

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:18 AM (x3YFz)

182 Look..., I would not be on NPR, PBS, the internet & etc., saying these things if I did not know what I am talking about. I mean, why else would those people be paying me to do this?

Posted by: Bill Nye, Science Guy, Mechanical Engineer at January 08, 2014 11:18 AM (aDwsi)

183 OT,b ut that picture of Roger Ailes at Drudge keeps making me do a double take, wondering why they've posted a picture of Alfred Hitchcock.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 11:18 AM (4df7R)

184 Au contraire! Energy and path of least resistance. Those two concepts solve every physics problem. Stringy vs loopy!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:19 AM (WhJf8)

185 - 177 You want Earth You'd settle for Mars You'll get Pluto* -------- Uranus. ------------------------------ No, that belongs to me.

Posted by: teh Gubmint at January 08, 2014 11:19 AM (Ze8oh)

186 My great regret is that I did not endeavor to become a weatherman. No one expects you to get it right, no one blames you when you are wrong, and if you haven't had time to work up a forecast, just flip the weather coin. I really wish that TV & Radio stations had to publish the accuracy of their weather forecasts, and how they came to that number (if 50 degrees is the predicted high, but the temp only hits 48, is that 96% accurate, or 0?)

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:19 AM (PYAXX)

187
Take issue with CNN, not me.

Like I've always said, Polls is where it's at. Polling is a racket to shape public opinion. We ought to be doing it.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 11:20 AM (gYIst)

188 We determined that it's just witchcraft. I can predict the weather for 48 hour by walking outside, taking a deep breath and looking at the clouds. Still, I'd rather watch Maria Molina get it all wrong.

Posted by: garrett at January 08, 2014 11:20 AM (tUsoZ)

189 Global Praxis

Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 11:20 AM (KXm42)

190 Also independents are at an all time high of 42%

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 08, 2014 11:20 AM (WdbF7)

191 Next up on Theories as to Why Global Warmening Seems Like Complete Bullshit!:


All of the extra heat has been captured by the enormous heat sink that is Cormack McCarthy's ex-wife's cooch. 


Happiness is a warm gun.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 08, 2014 11:20 AM (TM1p8)

192 DDDDamn, it's sssso wwwwarm in hhhhere!

Posted by: whoever at January 08, 2014 11:21 AM (zu9Ee)

193 if you haven't had time to work up a forecast, just flip the weather coin. Even easier than flipping a coin, predict what it was yesterday. You'll be right more often than the guys who use science.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:21 AM (WhJf8)

194 You want Earth
You'd settle for Mars
You'll get Pluto*

--------

Uranus.
------------------------------

No, that belongs to me.

Posted by: teh Gubmint

Get jour' ass to Mahz!

Posted by: Arnold [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 11:21 AM (dwArK)

195 I have a friend who's a TV weatherman.  Studied meteorology and stuff.  He's been pushed to weekends and prime time weather gets read by thin girls with racks. 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 11:21 AM (A0sHn)

196 187 Take issue with CNN, not me. Like I've always said, Polls is where it's at. Polling is a racket to shape public opinion. We ought to be doing it. Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 03:20 PM (gYIst) ******** I don't think any Republican outfit could keep up with those crack moneys at PPP.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:21 AM (RJMhd)

197 My favorite forecast? 50% chance of rain..., maybe it will, maybe it won't.

Either way, you've called it right.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:21 AM (ZKzrr)

198 You guys so need to go with me to Don Shipley's Extreme SEAL Experience this summer. Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 03:18 PM (x3YFz) I'd love to do that! Mind you I'd be dead inside twenty minutes, but I'd love to do that! My cardiologist would have a stroke, though.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 11:22 AM (qyfb5)

199 - You guys so need to go with me to Don Shipley's Extreme SEAL Experience this summer. ----------- What do you do after they teach you to balance the ball on your nose?

Posted by: irright at January 08, 2014 11:22 AM (Ze8oh)

200 Yes, I know. That is why I said we are not Venus. . .I thought you said we aren't on Mars. Whose on Mars?

Posted by: Costello at January 08, 2014 11:22 AM (9TDtS)

201 All the "environmentalism as religion" may be true for some but is kinda funny when the other side doesn't just think GW wrong, but purposely made up as part of an anti-capitalist/scientific grant seeking conspiracy.

Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 11:22 AM (KKla3)

202 112 ----If I ever open a bar for Morons, it is going to feature an 'Unhappy Hour'. Open mic. Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 03:01 PM (aDwsi) -------------------- Gotta serve Kaboom in little snack bowls. No peanuts or pretzels. Those are for Apple Jacks kids. Just Kaboom.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 08, 2014 11:23 AM (dfYL9)

203 The odd thing about the left is they will usually tell you exactly what they are going to do before they do it but people far too often either refuse to listen or don't bother to hold them accountable. The left decided years ago to use the totally made up theory of AGW to gain power and control, they said as much. And for the last few decades thats exactly what they have been doing. >>"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill....All these dangers are caused by human intervention....and thus the “real enemy, then, is humanity itself....believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is “a real one or….one invented for the purpose." Club of Rome

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 11:23 AM (g1DWB)

204 Tonight's forecast is dark. Scattered darkness early, followed by complete darkness later on.

Posted by: The Hippy Dippy Weatherman at January 08, 2014 11:23 AM (0HooB)

205 The E.P.A. wanted to regulate dust last year.

entropy laughs

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:23 AM (guzmA)

206 JL is concerned. Some kaboom?

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:24 AM (zOTsN)

207
My favorite forecast? 50% chance of rain..., maybe it will, maybe it won't.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 03:16 PM (aDwsi)

Hah!  playin the odds.  That degree is a syphilis (sp?) infected rattlesnake from hell.

Coordinate transforms up the wazoo.  It ain't for the weak. 

And there's no payoff.  No one hires you.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:24 AM (x3YFz)

208 Yeah if you look at that Gallup poll since 08 dems have taken a bigger dive then Republicans. They have just been able to stabilize at 31%, which again is their lowest point in 25 years as well.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 08, 2014 11:24 AM (WdbF7)

209 Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 03:22 PM (KKla3) Would someone like to translate that?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:24 AM (PYAXX)

210 Re 160 That's not what i remember... Right after I got comfortable calculating Reynolds numbers in English units our Prof wanted us to only do it in metric units. (I'm old so I was doing this on a slide rule) - yeah those were good times.

Posted by: Iosif Vissarionvich at January 08, 2014 11:25 AM (ldp7b)

211

>>>I have a friend who's a TV weatherman. Studied meteorology and stuff. He's been pushed to weekends and prime time weather gets read by thin girls with racks.

 

Thin girls with racks totes know their shit bout the weather. Everybody knows this.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 11:25 AM (3ZtZW)

212 I really wish that TV & Radio stations had to publish the accuracy of their weather forecasts, and how they came to that number (if 50 degrees is the predicted high, but the temp only hits 48, is that 96% accurate, or 0?)
=============
They all just copy NOAA anyway.

Seriously. You should read the stuff NOAA gives away for free. Why would a station pay someone to "verify" that?

Some, like the Weather Channel, just juice the precipitation chances a bit and claim they've arrived theirs independently. 

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2014 11:26 AM (VjL9S)

213 yeah 1834 is actually the warmest year on record. Global Warmists wet themselves when current years almost beat 1834. The good old days.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 11:26 AM (T0NGe)

214 He's been pushed to weekends and prime time weather gets read by thin girls with racks. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch ----------- My theory is that the NWS uses a synthesized voice because no one wants to be tied to their forecasts. I post again, for those who missed it, the weather warning issued in N.Dakota two days ago: http://tinyurl.com/ken6bnj

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:26 AM (aDwsi)

215 Thin girls with racks totes know their shit bout the weather. Everybody knows this.>>

Well they can make it rain at the strip club.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (tf9Ne)

216 Right after I got comfortable calculating Reynolds numbers in English units our Prof wanted us to only do it in metric units Okay... for the ignorant among us: what is a "Reynolds number?" Because, to me, that's Nathan Fillian's cellphone #.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (PYAXX)

217 Tenure, mutha phukaaaaz!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (BZAd3)

218 Thin girls with racks totes know their shit bout the weather. Everybody knows this.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 03:25 PM (3ZtZW)

Say "totes" one more fucking time and you get the barrel.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (x3YFz)

219 201 JL at January 08, 2014 03:22 PM (KKla3)

That would be "beacuse it is"...

you are not "just wrong" for 18 fucking years if you are a scientist.

http://tinyurl.com/lkqdyle

What part of Mann's games do you not understand?

They stifle contrary analysis from the journals, they doctor and tweak the datasets with no oversight, they refuse to release the pure data(likely because they fabricated entire fields)

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (TE35l)

220 JL equates enviro-religionists with conservative conspiracy nuts who believe it's really an income redistribution scheme He doesn't know Van Jones I guess

Posted by: Thunderb at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (zOTsN)

221 I don't know if it's really a "conspiracy" per se, because it's entirely in the open. Universities offer tutelage in grant-seeking, and the deepest pool of stupid money has been "Green" for decades now.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (ZshNr)

222 I have a friend who's a TV weatherman. Studied meteorology and stuff. He's been pushed to weekends and prime time weather gets read by thin girls with racks. The thinnest girl in the world reads my weather. iPad.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (T0NGe)

223 The good old days.

That was about a generation earlier:  The year without a summer.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:27 AM (ZKzrr)

224 Like I've always said, Polls is where it's at. Polling is a racket to shape public opinion. We ought to be doing it.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 08, 2014 03:20 PM (gYIst)

--------

 

75% of respondents said they believe polls are made-up B.S.*

 

 

 

* Results might not be from an actual poll.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2014 11:28 AM (Zswg6)

225 Skepticism is part of the scientific process. If one doesn't use skepticism throughout research, one is not doing science. And it’s not even supposed to be up to “skeptics” to provide it. The theorist themselves are supposed to be the skeptics: when a scientist creates a theory, they also provide some means to falsify the theory.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 08, 2014 11:28 AM (QF8uk)

226 221 I don't know if it's really a "conspiracy" per se, because it's entirely in the open. Universities offer tutelage in grant-seeking, and the deepest pool of stupid money has been "Green" for decades now. Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 03:27 PM (ZshNr) People are really arguing with this?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 08, 2014 11:28 AM (T0NGe)

227 I gets really cold every winter. Monday morning, my thermometer read -17F. But I saw -19F about 5 years ago. And every year, we have at least one night at -10F. This weather is just not that exceptional. Stupid people and democrats (BIRM) must have incredibly short memories.

Posted by: Chris M at January 08, 2014 11:29 AM (k3w9p)

228 Totes mah goats!
http://is.gd/IW2j66

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:29 AM (ZKzrr)

229  I have a friend who's a TV weatherman. Studied meteorology and stuff. He's been pushed to weekends and prime time weather gets read by thin girls with racks.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 03:21 PM (A0sHn)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

So what's your point?

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 11:29 AM (PdEAn)

230 Van Jones went from self described Communist to Environmentalist. He knows that people swallow that a lot easier than Communism. That tells you everything you need to know about environmentalist.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 08, 2014 11:29 AM (bCEmE)

231 203 JackStraw at January 08, 2014 03:23 PM (g1DWB)

Correct the entire field is simply a beard for coercive control of both the supply AND demand of Quality of Life mobility....

They do not beat around the bush about who and what they are, and true science can be disproven and is not a matter of a wandering zero of faith ballistics because "models"...

if AGW is not a religion have Uncle Al tell me what the Temp is supposed to be five years from now with 100% precision on pain of castration.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:29 AM (TE35l)

232 Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 03:22 PM (KKla3)

Would someone like to translate that?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It.

 

Pudding!

 

*licks window*

 

*fucks couch*

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 08, 2014 11:29 AM (NF2Bf)

233 It gets! Not I gets.

Posted by: Chris M at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (k3w9p)

234

I post again, for those who missed it, the weather warning issued in N.Dakota two days ago:
http://tinyurl.com/ken6bnj[/]

 

Heh.  Funny.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (A0sHn)

235 All the "environmentalism as religion" may be true for some but is kinda funny when the other side doesn't just think GW wrong, but purposely made up as part of an anti-capitalist/scientific grant seeking conspiracy. Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 03:22 PM (KKla3) Not all of it is a "conspiracy" (though if you look at the Club of Rome quote above, some of the other materials surrounding the original Earth Day and the early climate hearings, and the Climategate e-mails, you will see some). There is also the factor of acculturation. A lot of people were raised on PBS/NPR, university political culture, and in communities that will simply uncritically take the word of outspoken figures that reinforce their general opinions about the environment and politics, especially if those people have the proper accoutrements. Culture is upstream of politics. In a sad sort of way, its upstream of science as well (take the extreme examples of Soviet and Islamic science). The very *fact* that "skeptic" has become a bad word inside the community tells me something very, very pathological has happened.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (qyfb5)

236 The E.P.A. wanted to regulate dust last year. entropy laughs Posted by: Purp at January 08, 2014 03:23 PM (guzmA) Tell us about it!

Posted by: /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (XvHmy)

237 Also independents are at an all time high of 42% Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 08, 2014 .I would be in that 42%. I switched my party affiliation last year.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (FciyD)

238 they refuse to release the pure data(likely because they fabricated entire fields) Also because the East Anglia CRU freaking lost a bunch of it. Gone. The stuff they do release is sometimes massaged, sometimes not. And they won't tell you why or how they massaged it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (WhJf8)

239

They went from global warming (whereby they looked ridiculous when it got cold)

to climate change (so they might avoid looking like idiots when it was cool (but they could still say "warming!"))

Might I suggest TEMPERATURE CHANGE.


They'd look like geniuses every hour of every day.


"Did you see how much it warmed up since the sun came up!!"

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (BZAd3)

240 When I was driving to work one morning, the local radio station said the weather forecast for the day was clear and cloudy. I almost drove my car off the side of the road trying to figure that out.

Posted by: dantesed at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (88xKn)

241 I don't know if it's really a "conspiracy" per se, because it's entirely in the open. Universities offer tutelage in grant-seeking, and the deepest pool of stupid money has been "Green" for decades now. Posted by: Lincolntf at January 08, 2014 03:27 PM (ZshNr) People are really arguing with this? Posted by: Amish --------------------------- Uh..., we aren't even discussing it.

Posted by: MSM at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (aDwsi)

242


>>>Say "totes" one more fucking time and you get the barrel.

 

I gotsta put mah books somewheres yo

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 11:30 AM (3ZtZW)

243 Here goes my first attempt at serious discussion here: I love science, I think it should be reasonably funded. This not withstanding, the grant process is horribly screwed, there are stupid studies involving way too much money for crap like how does a bear shit in the woods (I DO hope I am joking there but unwilling to research it). The grant writers are awarded a large chunk of cash and have a career for this? Please let some common sense into science. Note: I do not claim to be a well educated science major, just an old lady who scorns waste. It is probably one reason I approve of crowdsourcing. /off soapbox

Posted by: FCF at January 08, 2014 11:31 AM (Khja4)

244 O/T Breaking News: Tom Hanks dead... occured 8 Jan. in NZ.

http://is.gd/qh2ig2

Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 11:31 AM (lJaja)

245 Based on memory Re = a unit less number used to determine whether flow is laminar or turbulent

Posted by: Iosif Vissarionvich at January 08, 2014 11:31 AM (ldp7b)

246

Oh sweet Mary and Jesus, did y'all already talk about this genius FB post from    NBC?

 

TWITCHY: http://tinyurl.com/ou9mp9t


 

No, NBC.   That is not a picture of the polar vortex above Chicago,    as seen from a plane. 

 

Just... I just...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 11:31 AM (4df7R)

247 "We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy...Basically it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization...One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore." Ottmar Eddenhofer UN-IPCC

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 11:31 AM (g1DWB)

248 thin girls with racks.
-
Mmmmmm racks.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 11:32 AM (Hx5uv)

249

So what's your point?

 

200+ posts in someone has to make a boobeh reference.  It's in the Style Guide.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 11:32 AM (A0sHn)

250 228 Totes mah goats!
http://is.gd/IW2j66

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 03:29 PM (ZKzrr)

Well, I kinda knew that was coming, given the horde.  So here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:32 AM (x3YFz)

251  I gets really cold every winter. Monday morning, my thermometer read -17F. But I saw -19F about 5 years ago. And every year, we have at least one night at -10F. This weather is just not that exceptional. Stupid people and democrats (BIRM) must have incredibly short memories.

Posted by: Chris M at January 08, 2014 03:29 PM (k3w9p)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

Two years ago from next month, Oklahoma set an all time low temperature of -35 degrees F in a town just northeast of OKC.   The fucking MFM didn't call it a polar vortex then.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 11:32 AM (PdEAn)

252 Sigh, I really should read the comments lol

Posted by: FCF at January 08, 2014 11:32 AM (Khja4)

253 All the "environmentalism as religion" may be true for some but is kinda funny when the other side doesn't just think GW wrong, but purposely made up as part of an anti-capitalist/scientific grant seeking conspiracy.

Posted by: JL at January 08, 2014 03:22 PM (KKla3)

 

I have found that what ever the Left accuses others of is what they have done, are doing, and plotting to do.  Human beings - and scientists are humans - like power, they like adulation, they like lots of money, they like to be thought well-of and have people praise them.  So yes, I can quite easily believe that global climate alarmism is used by others as their means to get themselves possession of those things I just listed.  Al Gore made himself a multi-millionaire out of this crusade after all.  To me he is just like some televangelist telling people to send him money or they're going to Hell.  Only he is calling for others to give research grant money to his foundations and such or we will bring Hell here - no need to pack for the trip.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 11:33 AM (hLRSq)

254 When I was driving to work one morning, the local radio station said the weather forecast for the day was clear and cloudy. I almost drove my car off the side of the road trying to figure that out. Posted by: dantesed ----------------------------- Going on a weekend camping trip,I listened/watched weather forecasts carefully. No mention of *any* possibility of rain. That afternoon, I ended up in the worst thunderstorms I have ever been in..., outside..., with no rain gear.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:33 AM (aDwsi)

255 Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:31 PM (lJaja) Well, 24 hour rule- but that kinda sucks.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:33 AM (PYAXX)

256

Mark this one down...

 

Worst  flame war in  the history of AoSHQ.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 11:33 AM (TOk1P)

257 People are really arguing with this? Slashdot bots sure do. Anyone who "denies" Global Warming (including any and all of the dire predictions) is being paid. The bots will use their sarcasm-words if you tell them the Climate Scientists are in it for the money.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:33 AM (WhJf8)

258 Back above freezing on the Gulf Coast, at least, during the day.

Posted by: toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 11:33 AM (QupBk)

259 244 O/T Breaking News: Tom Hanks dead... occured 8 Jan. in NZ. http://is.gd/qh2ig2 Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:31 PM (lJaja) ********* Really?

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:34 AM (RJMhd)

260 for the ignorant among us: what is a "Reynolds number?"

There a wiki entry for it, but it might be more understandable to the layman in its aerodynamic application terms.

ex. the difference between how a small model airplane and a large airliner behave is that while you can shrink the full size one to a model physically, you CAN'T shrink the air it flies in. 

Its kind of a measure of scaling effects in fluid environments. 




Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:34 AM (guzmA)

261 I really wish that TV & Radio stations had to publish the accuracy of their weather forecasts, and how they came to that number (if 50 degrees is the predicted high, but the temp only hits 48, is that 96% accurate, or 0?) Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. Ah yes. I remember well a few days before I got hit by Katrina how the NO weatherman showed the storm "moving right up into the Florida panhandle and blowing itself out over the East Coast. We can forget about that one." I also woke up to a quarter inch of "no rain at all in the forecast" this morning.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 11:34 AM (4IT55)

262 THIS STORY IS STILL DEVELOPING... Actor Tom Hanks died while filming a movie in New Zealand early this morning - January 8, 2014. Preliminary reports from New Zealand Police officials indicate that the actor fell more than 60 feet to his death on the Kauri Cliffs while on-set. Specific details are not yet available. The accident occured at aproximatly 4:30 a.m. (UTC/GMT +12). Additional details and information will be forthcoming. ** Wow.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:35 AM (RJMhd)

263 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 08, 2014 03:31 PM (4df7R) I can't even tell what that's a picture of. I mean, besides a city on a sea (or lake, if it's Chi-town). But... but... why are they all so stupid?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:35 AM (PYAXX)

264 Sadly, or happily Tom Hanks is not dead or so says TMZ

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:36 AM (TE35l)

265 For when you really want to win the game....

http://teespring.com/Choosesig

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 08, 2014 11:36 AM (zL/eJ)

266 262kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 03:35 PM (RJMhd)

Heard as he fell...."willllssssssoooonnnn"

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (TE35l)

267 He doubts it because he is, obviously, a moron! The good kind of moron, not one of those other brain-dead zombies.

Posted by: and irresolute at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (RqHWH)

268 I can't even tell what that's a picture of. I mean, besides a city on a sea (or lake, if it's Chi-town). But... but... why are they all so stupid? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 03:35 PM (PYAXX) It's a frozen Navy Pier.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (bCEmE)

269 Going on a weekend camping trip,I listened/watched weather forecasts carefully. No mention of *any* possibility of rain. That afternoon, I ended up in the worst thunderstorms I have ever been in..., outside..., with no rain gear. My sweet wife is a track coach. She pays attention to the forecast because they're generally right. If they say cold, it'll probably be cold. If they say rainy, it'll probably be rainy. But she keeps rain gear, warm coats, and changes of clothing and shoes in the car because they're wrong. Often.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (WhJf8)

270 Its kind of a measure of scaling effects in fluid environments.




Posted by: Purp at January 08, 2014 03:34 PM (guzmA)

As a fairly stupid physicist, I'm unfamiliar with the term.  I'm furiously smashing the keyboard on google.

Ya just never learn it all, do you?

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (x3YFz)

271 Al Gore made himself a multi-millionaire out of this crusade after all. To me he is just like some televangelist telling people to send him money or they're going to Hell.

OTOH, the televangelists get voluntary rube money.  Gore gets involuntary taxpayer money--he made a bundle off the porkulus alone.  Sucks to be taken in by either one, but only one has harmed all of us.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (ZKzrr)

272 Just to screw with these people, how about Republican lawmakers in various red states start creating grants funding academic research to see if the Earth is cooling too rapidly or refuting global warming.  Basically, turn academics against one another in the quest for grant money.

This is all about the money.  Amazing too how most of these "climate scientists" also wear the hat of political activists.

Posted by: McAdams at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (50t0S)

273 Tom Hanks is dead?

Posted by: Joe Montana at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (F9ftr)

274

re: Hanks.

 

Who the fuck is swellserver.com and why do they have tom.hanks before the domain name and not after a slash?  Looks bogus, and no hint of it on google news.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (A0sHn)

275 ex. the difference between how a small model airplane and a large airliner behave is that while you can shrink the full size one to a model physically, you CAN'T shrink the air it flies in. Okay. I still didn't understand that, but I can at least sort of understand that there's something to understand. Me not physics geek. Computers much simple.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (PYAXX)

276 O/T Breaking News: Tom Hanks dead... occured 8 Jan. in NZ.

http://is.gd/qh2ig2

Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:31 PM (lJaja)

----------

 

When I clicked on the other banner, it went to fake a wish headlines. So I thinking the story is fake as well.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 08, 2014 11:37 AM (Zswg6)

277 hmmm--Aussies, and the New Zealand Herald don't have it yet. Cant' find it at the BBC. Still trying to find other sources.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:38 AM (RJMhd)

278 There is also the factor of acculturation. A lot of people were raised on PBS/NPR, university political culture, and in communities that will simply uncritically take the word of outspoken figures that reinforce their general opinions about the environment and politics, especially if those people have the proper accoutrements. It's all brainwashing. It just takes some people longer than others to succumb to the relentless pressure of propaganda. But succumb they will. Notice how very few politicians have bucked the idea. They understand how much power is at stake.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 08, 2014 11:38 AM (0HooB)

279 Pretty sure the Tom Hanks thing is a hoax.

Posted by: Adam at January 08, 2014 11:38 AM (Aif/5)

280 But... but... why are they all so stupid?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 03:35 PM (PYAXX)

 

I have no idea.   I didn't think it was possible for functioning adults to be so unbelievably dumb. 

 

Are they    envisioning the polar vortex like some kind   of     ghost?   Like the smoke   monster from   Lost?     Like   it's something you can actually witness   with anything less than a satellite image from space?     Just,   WTF?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 08, 2014 11:39 AM (4df7R)

281 O/T Breaking News: Tom Hanks dead... occured 8 Jan. in NZ.

http://is.gd/qh2ig2
Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:31 PM (lJaja)

*********

Really?
-
No, it's a's a hoax site where you can create fake stories about celebrities. However, Charlie Sheen remains a giant douche.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 11:39 AM (Hx5uv)

282

Sadly, or happily Tom Hanks is not dead or so says TMZ

 

Damn, have  him in my dead pool this year

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 08, 2014 11:39 AM (NF2Bf)

283 264 Sadly, or happily Tom Hanks is not dead or so says TMZ Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 03:36 PM (TE35l) That's good because he was just announced as a presenter at the Golden Globes awards. That's hard to do if you're dead.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 08, 2014 11:39 AM (bCEmE)

284 DuPont's patent on refrigerant freon was running out. That's who ginned up the crisis. GE destroyed their competitors by the banning of incandescents. Always follow the money.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 08, 2014 11:39 AM (Yu+KI)

285 Actor Tom Hanks died while filming...

Hoax.  The same thing has happened to Duval and Will Smith.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:39 AM (guzmA)

286 Pretty sure the Tom Hanks thing is a hoax. It's best to wait 24 hrs with these things.

Posted by: Zombie Jeff Goldblum at January 08, 2014 11:40 AM (F9ftr)

287 261 Daybrother at January 08, 2014 03:34 PM (4IT55)

Correct and I posted here and Jim Weatherguy over at LGF that it was shaky whether it would die...

it is seldom difficult to get impact point near right if you follow NOAA and have a pencil...

you look at conewith a thumb tack factor in wind everymetal length dragged toward wind direction  factoring in the pressure seems for negation....

They missed Katrina....but they Totes can tell you the impact of CO2 in 100 years

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:40 AM (TE35l)

288

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 03:37 PM (ZKzrr)

 

I did note the difference between Al Gore and your garden variety televangelist.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 11:40 AM (hLRSq)

289 Not dead. Premature report.

Posted by: Tom Hanks [/i] at January 08, 2014 11:40 AM (VtKs5)

290 I told him to stay on that island, but did he listen to me? Nooooo.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (aDwsi)

291 Tom Hanks thing  is a hoax.  A quick search shows this has been brewing for days. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (TOk1P)

292 >>That's good because he was just announced as a presenter at the Golden Globes awards. That's hard to do if you're dead. Not if you're a really good actor.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (g1DWB)

293 That's hard to do if you're dead.

I lol'd.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (ZKzrr)

294 Looks like it's a hoax Tom Hanks Hanks wasn't even in New Zealand when a fake news site said he had been killed after falling 60 feet from the country's Kauri Cliffs. (Photo: Kevork Djansezian/Getty Images) http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/entertainment-deathhoaxes/17/

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (RJMhd)

295 I'm still not over    Jeff  Goldberg's  passing.




I can haz pizza?

Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (KXm42)

296 Oh my God! The polarvortex killed Kenny!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (Hx5uv)

297 #287 LGF Jharles Chonson hardest hit.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (7ObY1)

298 262 THIS STORY IS STILL DEVELOPING...

Actor Tom Hanks died while filming a movie in New Zealand early this morning - January 8, 2014.

Wow.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 03:35 PM (RJMhd)

It's unfortunate.  And I won't pray for their family any more than I'd pray for some random critter that also died today.

Eh.  My give a fuck meter reads (taptap) yup.. zero.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:41 AM (x3YFz)

299 Pretty sure the Tom Hanks thing is a hoax. Same here. Twitter has nothing on it. People on the set would be on Twitter while he was still falling.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:42 AM (WhJf8)

300 O/T Breaking News: Tom Hanks dead... occured 8 Jan. in NZ.

wow, if true.  From a fall off a cliff on set.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 11:42 AM (n0DEs)

301 If a Tom Hanks falls in the Kauri Cliffs, does he make a sound?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 11:42 AM (7ObY1)

302 280 But... but... why are they all so stupid? Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 03:35 PM (PYAXX) I have no idea. I didn't think it was possible for functioning adults to be so unbelievably dumb. Are they envisioning the polar vortex like some kind of ghost? Like the smoke monster from Lost? Like it's something you can actually witness with anything less than a satellite image from space? Just, WTF? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 08, 2014 03:39 PM (4df7R) I'm sure the Eskimos have about three thousand words for it. Which makes it totally awesome.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 11:42 AM (LIQGY)

303 Story: "Hanks hoax haunts headlines"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:42 AM (aDwsi)

304 - No, it's a's a hoax site where you can create fake stories about celebrities. However, Charlie Sheen remains a giant douche. Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 03:39 PM (Hx5uv) ******* Ya--took me awhile.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:42 AM (RJMhd)

305 He died in my arms.

Posted by: Jennifer McCarthy at January 08, 2014 11:43 AM (DrC22)

306

Actor Tom Hanks died while filming a movie in New Zealand early this morning - January 8, 2014.

Preliminary reports from New Zealand Police officials indicate that the actor fell more than 60 feet to his death on the Kauri Cliffs while on-set. Specific details are not yet available.

The accident occured at aproximatly 4:30 a.m. (UTC/GMT +12). Additional details and information will be forthcoming.

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

I've seen nothing about it on FNC and I'm sure they'd report it, especially with Sheppy at the  starship  helm.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 11:43 AM (PdEAn)

307 Jeff Goldblum's  death  really  made me think,  too.

Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 11:43 AM (KXm42)

308 266 262kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 03:35 PM (RJMhd) Heard as he fell...."willllssssssoooonnnn" Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 03:37 PM (TE35l) ****** LMAO!

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:43 AM (RJMhd)

309
Ok fake.

 typical.

Abe Vigoda died though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 11:43 AM (n0DEs)

310 244 O/T Breaking News: Tom Hanks dead... occured 8 Jan. in NZ.

http://is.gd/qh2ig2

Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:31 PM (lJaja)

======================================

 

When asked about his death today Hanks said only "stop believing everything you read on the internet".

 

I will direct our friends who are climate change believers to that quote from now on.

Posted by: MTF at January 08, 2014 11:44 AM (B5y+v)

311 297 BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 03:41 PM (7ObY1)

Jharles melted down and ran him off after 06 I think...

pity he was a real asset to the site....

Jharles is the perfect symbol of the average leftist's understanding of weather let alone climate.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:44 AM (TE35l)

312 Shaka when the Hanks fell ...

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 08, 2014 11:44 AM (dwArK)

313 in before Jeff Goldblum!

Posted by: toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 11:44 AM (QupBk)

314 There's no shame in dying.

Posted by: David Carradine at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (DrC22)

315 Things I wish I had thought of a half hour ago:

C*ntsealed carry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (Hx5uv)

316
Falling off a cliff is like a box of chocolates.  Your shit gets real.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (n0DEs)

317 Slashdot bots sure do. Posted by: bonhomme at January 08, 2014 03:33 PM (WhJf That has to be one of my biggest disappointments on the web. It really was a free-wheeling geek site and I spent half my web time there, then the Moonbats moved in and started attacking everyone who didn't conform, until it just wasn't worth it - same thing in academia, media, bureaucracy... And we're too scattered and have our lives to lead, so we don't push back hard enough, and so the resource turns into *their* resource. It went from a place where people just had ideas to a place where you'd come under attack for them in short order.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (qyfb5)

318 does it become a bi-polar vortex???

For bi-curious it's been hanging around not for the hunting a long time.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (DL2i+)

319 309
Ok fake.

typical.

Abe Vigoda died though.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 03:43 PM (n0DEs)

Abe Vigoda is dead?  Mother*$*&#!

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (x3YFz)

320

309 -

 

Stop it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (TOk1P)

321 Doh!

Posted by: toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (QupBk)

322 301 If a Tom Hanks falls in the Kauri Cliffs, does he make a sound? Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 08, 2014 03:42 PM (7ObY1) *********** I just want to know if he would bounce.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:45 AM (RJMhd)

323 Next thing you'll tell me Francisco Franco is also dead. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

324 Jharles is the perfect symbol of the average leftist's understanding of weather let alone climate. Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 03:44 PM (TE35l) Which I take to mean he walks the fine line between rank eco-activism and general insanity.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 11:46 AM (LIQGY)

325

Hey!  Guess what, people..........

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 08, 2014 11:46 AM (PdEAn)

326 Sorry for posting a hoax... blame the Jawa Report :p

Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 11:46 AM (lJaja)

327 I saw Dead Tom Hanks open for Nirvana in   '92.

Posted by: Roy at January 08, 2014 11:46 AM (VndSC)

328 Death is like a box of chocolates. You never know when someone will kill you.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (Hx5uv)

329 Does anyone else have Mickey Rooney in their dead pool beside me?

Posted by: dantesed at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (88xKn)

330 Things I wish I had thought of a half hour ago:

C*ntsealed carry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 03:45 PM (Hx5uv)

 

Late entry keeps you from winning the interwebz. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (m2CN7)

331 If I'm not mistaken, we used to refer to a Polar Vortex as a "cold snap." Then again, we used to refer to a Derecho as a "line of thunderstorms." The shit we didn't know!

Posted by: Caliban at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (DrC22)

332 Name that party. Link in sig.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (BXLPR)

333 Ya just never learn it all, do you?

Never. 

As applied to large weather systems of different temperatures, there's gonna be differences in density (PV=NRT) to complicate the mass interactions at the boundary too.  Wouldn't want to even begin to try and characterize how the heat equations perform in that chaotic interface layer.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (guzmA)

334 316 Falling off a cliff is like a box of chocolates. Your shit gets real. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 08, 2014 03:45 PM (n0DEs) ******** And if it was Ben Affleck it might be enough shit to break his fall.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:47 AM (RJMhd)

335  Tom Hanks is dead?

Posted by: Joe Montana at January 08, 2014 03:37 PM (F9ftr

_____________________

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 08, 2014 11:48 AM (32Ze2)

336 "The science is settled." Everyone who has taken elementary school science knows that the science is never settled. In astronomy, medicine, geology, physics, they continually reexamine and retest.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2014 11:48 AM (udPIt)

337 326 Sorry for posting a hoax... blame the Jawa Report :p

Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:46 PM (lJaja)

No worries.  If Tom Hanks was standing on the edge of a cliff and I had the opportunity to push him over?  I can't say I wouldn't.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:48 AM (x3YFz)

338 Does anyone else have Mickey Rooney in their dead pool beside me? Posted by: dantesed ------------------ * conducts inventory * Hmm, no. But I've got Andy Rooney, will he do?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:48 AM (aDwsi)

339 Global warming is eerily like Fundamentalist Christianity. Both will take evidence and facts contrary to their dogma and discount it because, well, it just doesn't fit the narrative.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 11:48 AM (YEQ2h)

340 326 Sorry for posting a hoax... blame the Jawa Report :p Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 03:46 PM (lJaja) ****** Got ya. Twas good for a laugh.

Posted by: Kraft--there's been a run! at January 08, 2014 11:48 AM (RJMhd)

341  Oooh.  Pizza.

Posted by: HR at January 08, 2014 11:49 AM (ZKzrr)

342 There's no way Rooney's still kickin.

Dude was ancient when I was a kid.





Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 11:49 AM (KXm42)

343 324 model_1066 at January 08, 2014 03:46 PM (LIQGY)

Quite, he does not understand the system but he actually believes that the climate sci guys have mastered ALL the variables of the most complex dynamic system known to man on a 300 year track BUT they don't go into "even more accurate than accuweather" weather forecasting when indutries would pay THROUGH THE NOSE to know with precision weather forcasts in businesses like logistics, fishing, energy exploration....etc etc.....

Right Jharles they are just "that selfless"

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:49 AM (TE35l)

344 That's good because he was just announced as a presenter at the Golden Globes awards. That's hard to do if you're dead. Posted by: Tami at January 08, 2014 03:39 PM (bCEmE) Not really.

Posted by: James Franco at January 08, 2014 11:49 AM (T0NGe)

345 Breaking News: 1 dead, 1 missing on Navy helicopter crash off Va. coast. Out of Norfolk Naval Station. I think it was a crew of 5... Just walked in & turned on TV, so I know nothing more.

Posted by: shredded chi - broke, busted & disgusted at January 08, 2014 11:49 AM (dSa5I)

346 The heck with Kaboom cereal - I want the old stuff they had in my neighborhood - MotherF*ckers - "so good, you'll b*itchslap yo momma!"

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 08, 2014 11:50 AM (zL/eJ)

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 11:50 AM (YEQ2h)

348 329 Does anyone else have Mickey Rooney in their dead pool beside me?

Posted by: dantesed at January 08, 2014 03:47 PM (88xKn)

Mickey RORQUE.  Not Rooney.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:50 AM (x3YFz)

349

We had a dead pool last year, four people:

 

Queen Liz, GH Bush, Maggie Thatcher, and Lindsey Lohan.

 

Unfortunately,  the winner was.....

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 11:50 AM (TOk1P)

350
Houston, we have a problem cliff.

Posted by: Tom Hnnks at January 08, 2014 11:50 AM (n0DEs)

351

>>>Name that party.

 

DONNER! [burp]

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at January 08, 2014 11:51 AM (3ZtZW)

352 Hey, look on the bright side... I gave the morons a nifty new toy, a fake headline generator.

Think of the possibilities...

Posted by: CPT. Charles at January 08, 2014 11:51 AM (lJaja)

353

Everyone who has taken elementary school science knows that the science is never settled.

 

I hammer this into my kids.  When I was in school T Rex was a green lizard who stood upright and flailed at the air with useless arms, now he's a pink bird who runs with his body leveled over massive legs with big chompers out front.

 

There's about a zillion things we were taught that are no longer so, and it's instructive to remember that science is "as far as we know so far" on many things.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 08, 2014 11:51 AM (A0sHn)

354 I think it was a crew of 5... Just walked in & turned on TV, so I know nothing more. Posted by: shredded --------- Last I heard, 1 remains missing, 4 recovered, one of those has died.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:51 AM (aDwsi)

355 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 03:45 PM (qyfb5) I understand why, but that's a great example of why the Left is winning the media war. In general, Conservatives just want to be left alone. We don't want to worry about "all that crap" all the time. So when some idiot comes mouthing off about "Global Warming" or whatever, we try to ignore him. Then his buddies show up, and we still just try to talk around them. Eventually someone ventures that, "Hey, this isn't the place for that, and it's all made up anyway" and then the trap closes- suddenly the loudest commenters either want that guy banned or at least to shut up. Pretty soon, the people who didn't have an opinion think of it as "settled science."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 11:52 AM (PYAXX)

356 339 tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 03:48 PM (YEQ2h)

I've met glazed snake handling Christians....they are capable of grasping not all things are a matter of faith.

There is less danger in anything short of Al Qaeda level zealotry than evangelical Atheism or AGW worship....

Religion mostly tries to answer metaphysical questions on morality and set up some sort of referee to balance accounts when you cash out after you pass on....

AGW makes judgement calls on your QoL and liberty while you are alive and resisting.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:52 AM (TE35l)

357

352 Hey, look on the bright side... I gave the morons a nifty new toy, a fake headline generator.

 

 

 

 

The NY Times has been around for a helluva lot longer.

Posted by: Roy at January 08, 2014 11:52 AM (VndSC)

358 The heck with Kaboom cereal - I want the old stuff they had in my neighborhood - MotherF*ckers - "so good, you'll b*itchslap yo momma!"

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 08, 2014 03:50 PM (zL/eJ)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

In Vietnam, we called the Ham and Lima Beans C-rations, Ham and Motherfuckers.

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 11:53 AM (PdEAn)

359 So, are we going over Rorke's Drift again?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:53 AM (aDwsi)

360 They can't decide whether or not Pluto is a planet, but "weather" is settled science.  Yeah, right.

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 11:53 AM (gvqyH)

361 333 Ya just never learn it all, do you? Never. As applied to large weather systems of different temperatures, there's gonna be differences in density (PV=NRT) to complicate the mass interactions at the boundary too. Wouldn't want to even begin to try and characterize how the heat equations perform in that chaotic interface layer. Posted by: Purp at January 08, 2014 03:47 PM (guzmA) Then you gotta consider the energy associated with water changing phases ...

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 11:53 AM (3hIs0)

362 I have been trying to get Ramsey Clark dead on S. Weasel's pool for a couple of years. Rid the earth of his shadow forever.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 08, 2014 11:53 AM (Yu+KI)

363 Re 260 I know what a Reynolds number is but I don't understand the Wiki definition. They must have assigned a non engineer to come up with their definition. Re is just a way to describe flow. It is commonly used by engineers to 1) determine whether flow is laminar or turbulent . 2 to calculate pressure drop

Posted by: Iosif Vissarionvich at January 08, 2014 11:53 AM (ldp7b)

364
James...earn this fall....earn it.

Posted by: Tom Hanks at January 08, 2014 11:54 AM (n0DEs)

365 Back in the Dark Ages, when science was objective, the first principle of science I was taught was that it was falsifiable.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 11:54 AM (YEQ2h)

366 By the way, the global warming in Michigan is gorgeous. I'm not joking now. I'm looking out the picture window at my Dad's house and the homes across the street look like they came from a Christmas card. There is pure white snow on the roads, yards, and roofs of houses. There is flocking on the trees. The problems are driving, roof raking, and shoveling. On the plus side, the dog poop is under a ton of snow, so I have an excuse to not clean it up until some of the snow melts.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2014 11:54 AM (udPIt)

367 339 Global warming is eerily like Fundamentalist Christianity. Both will take evidence and facts contrary to their dogma and discount it because, well, it just doesn't fit the narrative. Posted by: tubal the bad at January 08, 2014 03:48 PM (YEQ2h) Thanks for sharing!

Posted by: Caliban at January 08, 2014 11:54 AM (DrC22)

368 I understand why, but that's a great example of why the Left is winning the media war. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 08, 2014 03:52 PM (PYAXX) Yep. Having identified the problem, yet not having identified the solution - other than becoming the pushy asshole who spends all their time pushing, which is not what most of us want to be.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 11:54 AM (qyfb5)

369 354 I think it was a crew of 5...
Just walked in & turned on TV, so I know nothing more.

Posted by: shredded
---------

Last I heard, 1 remains missing, 4 recovered, one of those has died.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 03:51 PM (aDwsi)

USN CSAR are the best in the business.  That said, the ocean doesn't forgive.  Fair winds and following seas to the lost sailor.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:55 AM (x3YFz)

370 The heck with Kaboom cereal - I want the old stuff they had in my neighborhood - MotherF*ckers - "so good, you'll b*itchslap yo momma!" We has Prostituties: they didn't snap, crackle or pop. They just laid there.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 08, 2014 11:55 AM (0HooB)

371 OT: On the 50th anniversary of LBJ's war on poverty:

Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) wants to change the way Americans think of welfare.

And to that end, she suggest during a House speech Wednesday, we should start thinking of welfare as a “transitional living fund.”


Posted by: WalrusRex at January 08, 2014 11:55 AM (Hx5uv)

372 Run Forest! Run...Oh Wait!

Posted by: Jenny at January 08, 2014 11:55 AM (RJMhd)

373 Thanks Mike. Apparently he's been in the water since before 11? Wearing a suit, can stay in the water 8 hrs, but it doesn't look good.

Posted by: shredded chi - broke, busted & disgusted at January 08, 2014 11:56 AM (dSa5I)

374

There's no crying in cliff fall!

Posted by: Tom Hanks at January 08, 2014 11:56 AM (n0DEs)

375 360 They can't decide whether or not Pluto is a planet, but "weather" is settled science. Yeah, right. Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 03:53 PM (gvqyH) But what about the weather on Pluto?

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 11:56 AM (LIQGY)

376 361 Jean at January 08, 2014 03:53 PM (3hIs0)

speaking of "violating the laws of thermodynamics"...

Mann's bullshit on 4000 hiroshimas...?

Yeah someone ran the Math evidently were 95 times hotter than the sun now or something.....

Pure I wish actionable in court for metal trauma BULLSHIT....

I wish I were a DA who could prosecute him for yelling Fire in a crowded theater

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 11:57 AM (TE35l)

377 In Vietnam, we called the Ham and Lima Beans C-rations, Ham and Motherfuckers.

I saw Ham and Motherfuckers open for Linda Ronstadt in '86.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 08, 2014 11:57 AM (xm1A1)

378 89 Glenn's response is always the best: I'll believe it's a crisis when those telling me it's a crisis start acting like it's a damned crisis. Until then, I don't want to hear another damned word about my carbon footprint. Posted by: RoyalOil at January 08, 2014 02:55 PM (VjL9S) Glenn can't seriously expect Al Gore to fly with the rabble on commercial flights, much less all those super committed environmentalists from the entertainment industry. They might have to have actual contact with the dregs of society in the business section.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 08, 2014 11:57 AM (udPIt)

379 Zsa Zsa Gabor is in my death pool along with Abe Vigoda and Amanda Bynes.  Don Rickles gets honorable mention.  Just imagine when Abe Vigoda does die.  We are going to break out the black bunting and render our garments all day.

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (32Ze2)

380 Don't go chasing after that  damn volleyball, Tom.  Leave it! 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (TOk1P)

381 Yep. Having identified the problem, yet not having identified the solution - other than becoming the pushy asshole who spends all their time pushing, which is not what most of us want to be. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 03:54 PM (qyfb5) If I understand correctly, I respectfully disagree: they have a solution, and are fishing around for a problem.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (LIQGY)

382

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at January 08, 2014 03:58 PM (32Ze2)

_____________________

Sock fail.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (32Ze2)

383 Great. Now I want to watch 30 Days of Night.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (VtjlW)

384 375 360 They can't decide whether or not Pluto is a planet, but "weather" is settled science. Yeah, right. Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 03:53 PM (gvqyH) But what about the weather on Pluto? Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 03:56 PM (LIQGY) Gonna go with cold.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (3hIs0)

385 “transitional living fund.” Posted by: WalrusRex ------------------ 'Transitional' is fine so long as it isn't 'transitional' from unemployed to permanent dependency.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:58 AM (aDwsi)

386 Gonna go with cold. Posted by: Jean ------------------- Not enough CO2.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (aDwsi)

387 376 361 Jean at January 08, 2014 03:53 PM (3hIs0)

speaking of "violating the laws of thermodynamics"...

Mann's bullshit on 4000 hiroshimas...?

Yeah someone ran the Math evidently were 95 times hotter than the sun now or something.....

Pure I wish actionable in court for metal trauma BULLSHIT....

I wish I were a DA who could prosecute him for yelling Fire in a crowded theater

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 03:57 PM (TE35l)

Buddy, sometimes your context is magnificently disjointed.

Slow.
Down.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 11:59 AM (x3YFz)

388 - And to that end, she suggest during a House speech Wednesday, we should start thinking of welfare as a “transitional living fund.” ------------------------- that sustains you in the transition from cradle to grave.

Posted by: irright at January 08, 2014 12:00 PM (Ze8oh)

389 381 model_1066 at January 08, 2014 03:58 PM (LIQGY)

I went to the IPCC accidentally when we were on a tour and needed a key to the bathroom...the leader said "the answer is to put use taxes on every economic activity" called me a denialist subhuman took 1 of my 5 bucks and handed me a bucket.....

//Johnny Miller PS385 Class 4 aged 9

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:00 PM (TE35l)

390 Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:00 PM (TE35l) And then you broke his jaw and pissed on his unconscious face?

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:02 PM (LIQGY)

391

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 03:57 PM (TE35l)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

You were on the pot thread last night, weren't you?

Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 12:02 PM (PdEAn)

392 If I understand correctly, I respectfully disagree: they have a solution, and are fishing around for a problem. Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 03:58 PM (LIQGY) *We* don't have a solution to the problem, at least one we're willing to undertake. Which is why we are where we are.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 12:03 PM (qyfb5)

393 383 Great. Now I want to watch 30 Days of Night.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 08, 2014 03:58 PM (VtjlW)

Can I get a make-up hug first?

I'm kinda cute, and I have extremely sexy green eyes.

comon. <open arms>

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 12:03 PM (x3YFz)

394 No wants Lima Beenz.

Posted by: PizzaCatAbides at January 08, 2014 12:03 PM (KXm42)

395 That has to be one of my biggest disappointments on the web. What you said. Turned into the nastiest place ever almost overnight. I spent many happy hours there before it became a recess playground for screaming proudly ignorant jingoist Progressive Nation idiots. "WHAT ARE YOU? A CHRISTIAN NEOCON KNUCKLEDRAGGING.....EVERYBODY KNOWS...ELEVENTY!!" Last time I went there it was like Kos but with High School students instead of junior high people. *Sigh*

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (oUQKc)

396 But what about the weather on Pluto?

Pluto has been warming recently too.  Apparently CO2 on earth got quantum coupled in some as yet unexplained manner with CO2 on Pluto.

Or perhaps Pluto residents transitioned from ag to industrial basis.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (guzmA)

397 *We* don't have a solution to the problem, at least one we're willing to undertake. Which is why we are where we are. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 04:03 PM (qyfb5) But I'm saying that the AGW fanatics incorrectly insist that there is problem needing to be solved...

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:05 PM (LIQGY)

398 But what about the weather on Pluto?
Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 03:56 PM (LIQGY)

Gonna go with cold.

Posted by: Jean at January 08, 2014 03:58 PM (3hIs0)

 

 

 

Wrong!  See, there ya go.  The first Pluto climate denier!  Science says it's hot due to the  Halaburton  man-made    hockeystick shaped moons in orbit around it.  Do you even realize the amount of fossil fuels it takes to keep those things in orbit?   And that settles the Pluto weather science!     Now leave us alone while we determine if Pluto even exists or not. 

Posted by: Havedash at January 08, 2014 12:06 PM (gvqyH)

399 Saying it wrongly, alas.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:06 PM (LIQGY)

400 387 tangonine at January 08, 2014 03:59 PM (x3YFz)

and it is mostly on purpose...this time I am just near a rage stroke thinking on his smug....

http://tinyurl.com/ojkqjzm

http://tinyurl.com/lokt43f

the bottom one is a partial debunking....

so one of the Watt regulars who is math savvy broke down the numbers... they are pure alarmism taken one day the result is "near unnoticeable" because hey "radiation from Sol"

If you use it the way it offered and spread out the blast radius equally over the Earth's surface we are in an environment 95 times hotter than the sun.

If I had legal power I would prosecute his ass for knowingly inciting a panic.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:06 PM (TE35l)

401 Or perhaps Pluto residents transitioned from ag to industrial basis. Posted by: Purp at January 08, 2014 04:05 PM (guzmA) It's that goddamned Voyager what did it...we've graduated to interstellar litterbugs now.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:07 PM (LIQGY)

402 Yeah someone ran the Math evidently were 95 times hotter than the sun now or something.....

Yeah, Watts Up With That?  http://is.gd/mVenFr

Posted by: toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 12:08 PM (QupBk)

403

>>Wrong! See, there ya go. The first Pluto climate denier!

.

.

.Uh Pluto can't have a climate, it got demoted and is no longer a Planet.  Sorry.....

Posted by: Registered voter at January 08, 2014 12:10 PM (0DC/m)

404 402 toby928© blurts at January 08, 2014 04:08 PM (QupBk)

Yup...

I was mad enough thinking about Gore and the acolytes smug last year that I saw stars for a second...

sorry about the disjointed typing.

It enrages me, I am a Christian but I was raised that if the Bible is to be in your right hand you should carry science in your left. 

In politicizing something this big and poisoning how laymen think about science they are doing damage to the human race.

Science is to me, literally a gift from God and in no way threatens my faith or devotion and they desecrate it.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:11 PM (TE35l)

405 If you use it the way it offered and spread out the blast radius equally over the Earth's surface we are in an environment 95 times hotter than the sun.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:06 PM (TE35l)

You kinda have to marry up Rage + Intended Audience.

Believe me, I've been a dick before on teh interwebs.  It never works out.

Slow.

Down.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 12:11 PM (x3YFz)

406 Believe me, I've been a dick before on teh interwebs. It never works out. Slow. Down. Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 04:11 PM (x3YFz) Depends on whether you're trying to persuade or just have fun, I guess. Guilty of both myself.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:12 PM (LIQGY)

407 Climate Science has been compromised by politics??? Thanks, Professor Weather! What are you going to tell us next? That the sky is blue?

Posted by: Phinn at January 08, 2014 12:13 PM (8nJeY)

408 It is an easy religion. Your sins are easy sins to do penance for. They are teh sort of sins that permit one to brag about how they are being overcome. And for that you receive the applause of all the other rigth-thinking people. And it is very up-to-date compared to other, more difficult religions. It is the sort of thing that people who say "I am spiritual, but not religious," get involved in. If it wasn't environmentalism it would be Veganism or Animal Rights, or Yoga, or something equally easy to do to grab the correct self-righteous smug. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 08, 2014 03:14 PM (hLRSq) This In Vietnam, we called the Ham and Lima Beans C-rations, Ham and Motherfuckers. Posted by: Soona at January 08, 2014 03:53 PM (PdEAn) ....and this. The salty old dudes talked about them all the time.

Posted by: Dr. A at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (CzZl8)

409 *Sigh* Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 04:05 PM (oUQKc) Yep. If enough people had wasted their lives fighting back, it *might* have just turned into a hostile warground - which is their "fallback win" - if you can't take the ground, ruin it. But I'm saying that the AGW fanatics incorrectly insist that there is problem needing to be solved... Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 04:05 PM (LIQGY) I was talking about the Long March - the leftists, in general, taking institutional territory and driving other ideas out, which requires an organized and persistent response. If that response happens, they just amp up the hate and try to wreck the institution.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (qyfb5)

410 Toby928th my favorite was when a guy literally gapped out 400,000 Fatmen blast radii.....

Yeah Al it's just like that, the problem is how many laymen think of the 400,000 gapped bombs blast impact rather than its radiation impact?

Anyway I should learn not to be so angry about AGW it'll probably kill me even if it is fake.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (TE35l)

411 407 Climate Science has been compromised by politics??? Thanks, Professor Weather! What are you going to tell us next? That the sky is blue? Posted by: Phinn at January 08, 2014 04:13 PM (8nJeY) Ahem. The sky is only blue during the daytime. I keed!

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:14 PM (LIQGY)

412
sorry about the disjointed typing.

It enrages me, I am a Christian but I was raised that if the Bible is to be in your right hand you should carry science in your left.
 and in no way threatens my faith or devotion and they desecrate it.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:11 PM (TE35l)

We should chat offline.  I'm student of physics and a plebe of faith.  I think we might get along.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 12:15 PM (x3YFz)

413 407 Phinn at January 08, 2014 04:13 PM (8nJeY)

Evidently someone needs to memo in Jharles and a bunch of folk.

Including the guy upthread who thinks that this coordinated interlocking "oopsie daisy hot or cold the answer is a global tax based on GDP and social justice" is not a conspiracy.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:16 PM (TE35l)

414 Posted by: Sven 10077 Dude, it's One hand with a bible and one hand with a gun. You hold up Science with the hat trick.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (dOgaW)

415 sock.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 08, 2014 12:17 PM (CzZl8)

416 I was talking about the Long March - the leftists, in general, taking institutional territory and driving other ideas out, which requires an organized and persistent response. If that response happens, they just amp up the hate and try to wreck the institution. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 08, 2014 04:14 PM (qyfb5) Yeah, that is their general strategy, and AGW is the latest all-out push for control. Their solution is the same as it is for every other trumped-up crisis: give more money and power to gubmint: climate stuff is desperately trying to be made into the latest problem.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (LIQGY)

417 412 tangonine at January 08, 2014 04:15 PM (x3YFz)

It's be a pleasure at a meetup.  I am not a scientist, I am a historian by inclination but I was taught to use the scientific method and reason to sniff out fraud.  I respect the good scientists and engineers almost as deeply as veterans in esteem.

I do not hold Michael Mann in high esteem.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:18 PM (TE35l)

418 414 Daybrother at January 08, 2014 04:17 PM (dOgaW)

According the other thread I thought I was to hold the pistol in one of my bad touch areas...?

Heh

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:19 PM (TE35l)

419 410 Toby928th my favorite was when a guy literally gapped out 400,000 Fatmen blast radii..... Yeah Al it's just like that, the problem is how many laymen think of the 400,000 gapped bombs blast impact rather than its radiation impact? Anyway I should learn not to be so angry about AGW it'll probably kill me even if it is fake. Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:14 PM (TE35l) I want to know what tiny fraction those 400k nukes are compared to lightning discharges, energy-wise.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (LIQGY)

420 417 412 tangonine at January 08, 2014 04:15 PM (x3YFz)

It's be a pleasure at a meetup. I am not a scientist, I am a historian by inclination but I was taught to use the scientific method and reason to sniff out fraud. I respect the good scientists and engineers almost as deeply as veterans in esteem.

I do not hold Michael Mann in high esteem.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 04:18 PM (TE35l)

irc.webchat.org

/join #OneTeam

we'll take it from there.  it's a filter.  I'm posting this full public but the room isn't.  You have to jump through a flaming hoop or two to be let in.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 12:22 PM (x3YFz)

421 Tubal the bigot goes on "ignore."
Dunce.

Posted by: backhoe at January 08, 2014 12:28 PM (ULH4o)

422 What do you do after they teach you to balance the ball on your nose?

Posted by: irright at January 08, 2014 03:22 PM (Ze8oh)

... if you were looking for a dim stare of condescension, you got one.

Posted by: tangonine at January 08, 2014 12:34 PM (x3YFz)

423 Found my answer (sort of) on Wiki: in relating the energy of a primitive nuke compared to things we can relate to: less pants-pissing-panic than they would have you believe, even if their claims were remotely close to being true. Amounts are in Joules...don't Jimmy me, Joules! LOL 8.8×1013 J yield of the Fat Man atomic bomb used in World War II (21 kilotons)[139][140] 9.0×1013 J theoretical total mass-energy of 1 gram of matter[141] 1014 6×1014 J energy released by an average hurricane in 1 second[142] 1015 peta- (PJ) > 1015 J energy released by a severe thunderstorm[143] 1.0×1015 J yearly electricity consumption in Greenland as of 2008[144][145] 4.2×1015 J energy released by explosion of 1 megaton of TNT[44][146]

Posted by: model_1066 at January 08, 2014 12:42 PM (LIQGY)

424 420 tangonine at January 08, 2014 04:22 PM (x3YFz)

I have to get lad, maybe some other time.


Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 08, 2014 12:48 PM (TE35l)

425 Any front is "unstable" in the sense that it's going to move, as warm air pushes into the cold area, and cold air into the warm area. Warm air doesn't push anything around, except perhaps warmer air. Just like in any kinetic action, the one who is lower, or has the greater density, wins the fight. The cold air shoves the air out of its way, much like a 300 lb offensive lineman shoves a 220 lb defensive back out of the way. If the cold dense air retreats, the warm air follows in its wake.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 08, 2014 03:03 PM (1hM1d)

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