January 30, 2014
— Ace And they're compelling reasons, too.
This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying as a Republican. There is no point supporting a Team of Losers who furthermore don't even actually have the same goals in mind I do. Not that that would make a big difference, as they are Losers, and cannot advance their goals.
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C'mon ace, we all know the Chamber of Commerce pays better.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2014 01:21 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 30, 2014 01:21 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 01:21 PM (MMC8r)
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Posted by: GuyfromNH at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (kbOju)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (027eb)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:22 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: Weeping Boner and Sen. Juan McCain at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Speaker Boner at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (0FSuD)
This is a "Hey, look! We have a "Standards for Immigration" policy document and everything!" piece of crap..
Look at #1 - "Border Security and Interior Enforcement Must Come First"
Uh huh.. and I stopped reading right there, because if they stick to that, the Dems are not on board and the whole thing is dead.
There is no consensus for this shit.. it's dead.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (Z7PrM)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:23 PM (8ifMA)
"This is part of the reason I gave up on politics and stopped identifying
as a Republican."
Posted by: Ace at 05:18 PM
Welcome to the party, pal
Posted by: John McClane at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (bStrg)
We should be afraid when they use the word 'Reform' in DC...
They called ObamaCare..."Healthcare Reform".
In DC, 'reform' obviously means FUBAR.
Posted by: wheatie at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (d+eIv)
Posted by: --- at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (MMC8r)
I don't care anymore.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 05:21 PM (IXrOn)
While I agree that the Republican party is broken and is probably beyond saving, and that a third party is the logical next step for people...with you know....actual conservative principles; I care a lot.
Because we will be in the wilderness for a very long time if we split from the Republicans. And I don't think that the country will survive.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:24 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: BignJames at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (HtUkt)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (zDsvJ)
It's hard to figure out what's going on in the rest of the country when you spend most of your time in the wealthiest area of the country, having no economic problems whatsoever, where there are still bidding wars over waaaay overpriced homes. If that is your reality you wonder what these ungrateful SOB's are whining about back home. Besides to secure your requisite lobbying position you have to play the game right, now, not later, you have to have a history to point out.
Posted by: think at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (OroYa)
And this is the point where I am.
Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Dave S. at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (J+V/o)
Here's how we do a 3d party: We have a party, a HUGE one.
Invite all your friends. Goes on for days.
THEN
We throat snatch all the commies in republican clothing up, toss them off the coast (pick one), and go back to two parties, one of which is focused, founded and determined.
Then we'll see what's what.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at January 30, 2014 01:25 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Boss Moss at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (g5X0d)
Twice is coincidence.
Three times is enemy action.
What is this, like time 50, for the GOP leadership with this bullshit?
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (I2cH2)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 30, 2014 01:26 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: AMDG at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (t7OO0)
Posted by: Weepy Temptation Eyes at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (xZxMD)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 30, 2014 01:27 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Government Hammer at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Valiant at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (aFxlY)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:28 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 05:25 PM (84gbM)
The democrat party will have majorities in both houses, maybe even 2/3.
That, plus the looming 10-20 million+ new democrat voters will push the country over the edge.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (exFew)
Posted by: Jean at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: fluffy at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
I didn't split from the Republicans. They split from me.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 05:27 PM (xZxMD)
Nice Reagan hat tip there. And I agree. My values are unchanged. It's the assholes in congress who are spineless who've changed. My rep, Doug Lamborn, is one of them.
Never heard of him? It's because he hasn't done anything worth a shit, that's why.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:29 PM (x3YFz)
The Republican base tend towards 'law and order'. As such...the 'illegal part' of 'illegal immigration' is non-negotiable.
Even in the event that republicans give up their 'law and order' stance...the last thing big labor wants is an influx of 'cheap non-union labor'.
So we end up with this rather bizarre cat and mouse game of derailing immigration reform by one side or the other and not being seen to be the party derailing the reforms.
Hence...the Republican 'embrace' immigration reform then big labor suddenly claims the republican reforms are 'not really reforms' and 'doing nothing' is better then the Republican plan.
As a result of this game I don't get myself upset over various immigration reform pronouncements....because it's just a big game of chicken to get someone on record as being 'anti-immigrant'...in this case 'Big Labor' has already blinked.
The 'good' union jobs are all for big companies. Big companies make a habit of checking the documentation of job applicants. As a result big companies don't employ illegal immigrants and the 'union' jobs are protected.
As soon as those 'illegal immigrants' become 'legal'...they can get past the personnel office at big companies and displace the current union membership. As immigrants are generally happy to work for less then 'union wages' the union loses.
Posted by: harrywr2 at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (fDMbO)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (g1DWB)
The talk of your bromance is all over the place So... you are officially "out?"
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Eddie Baby at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (XXNF8)
The Two-Party Duopoly is an illusion of democracy. It's still the State versus the Citizen. The State always wins until there is a collapse. The GOP apparently wants to collapse itself first to expedite the next, bigger collapse.
I disavowed being a Republican during the last amnesty push under Bush. Now I'm essentially running against it. No "lesser of evils" game anymore. Amnesty was the last straw.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (3a584)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 01:30 PM (Bps3R)
@75
I'm a ok with not hearing about a congressman. Its when they want to be "historic" we get fucked and hard.
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (t06LC)
But most GOP in my state are now shills to big gov, and need to reenact the part of the tea in the Boston tea party pronto. State GOP is trying to end the caucus system, which would be disastrous for libertarian, tea party candidates. And I worry that they are going to somehow undermine Mia Love and get a different republican in her place, because they are usurping entitled idiots.
Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: Will work for sig at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (q177U)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Fred Thompson at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 01:31 PM (dfYL9)
National IDs, bitches. Papers, please.
If we aren't allowing new ones in per their points above, why do we need this? I bet the Dems won't go for that; why, it would be easy to require you display your NID to vote. Ruh roh.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (IoTdl)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (GEICT)
Now I'm one of them.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 30, 2014 01:32 PM (8ZskC)
I'm all for legalization provided current illegal aliens would be required to waive their right to pursue citizenship if they accept this legalization status.
The only way they could be put on the path to citizenship is to return to their country and apply like everyone else.
That is not part of the GOP plan and would never be accepted by the Left so its just a pipe dream.
Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (m2CN7)
So its official now. The Democrats with an R after their name have decided amnesty is the hill to die on.
Posted by: Vic at January 30, 2014 05:21 PM (T2V/1)
Die, lie; what's the difference? El PRL has been lying on their backs on so many hills it now takes a mountain to move them.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (o44nj)
>>Visa and green card allocations need to reflect the needs of employers
>>It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children
Who needs to make sense? Certainly not the House GOP.
Posted by: kartoffel at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (07vvi)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Nancy Grace at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: David Brooks at January 30, 2014 01:33 PM (Pr6hk)
I've been Unaffiliated voter status in Cali for a very long time...
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 05:31 PM (IXrOn)
Girl.... being a conservative in CA is like being white on MLK Blvd at 0200.
RUN! (as Chris Rock says)
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (4YooD)
So let's write some new laws of ever increasing scope that will amnesty illegals and, well, nothing else because the law still won't be enforced.
Kabuki.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Mike at January 30, 2014 01:34 PM (Rk8LS)
Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 05:32 PM (GEICT)
It's no use denying it...I read it in a blog.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (9T/th)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:35 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (exFew)
How cute, they think the MSM will deign to give them credit? Sheesh, you would think they were all political newbies or something. And yet young upstarts Cruz and Lee are supposedly the dumb ones.
Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (BF+2f)
I respect some of you that do not want the pain of a 3rd party. Really do.
But I'm ready for a little wilderness myself. Could give a fuck less if the country survives. This is the clincher for me.
I'm sitting this shit out, at the Fed, State, and Local levels. To Hell with the GOP. I will not vote for another one.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (QryZ9)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:36 PM (olDqf)
Brilliant!
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (I2cH2)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 05:24 PM (QFxY5)
----------------------------------------------------
Some of it will. But not all of it. It will not look like the US has looked for so many years. It's time to seriously start thinking about a divorce from DC.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:37 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Fight friendly fire with indignant fire at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (R6JT1)
This Jew will never be unarmed.
We need to talk....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (QFxY5)
Want some matches ace? Plenty to go around. hehehe.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (RJMhd)
I can't figure this out. Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:23 PM (A98Xu
Let's say , they're corrupt?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 01:38 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (Bps3R)
Posted by: Al at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (40XA1)
Can't someone do something to help that poor man?!
Posted by: The Citizens of Rock Ridge at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (8ZskC)
Anyway.
The biggest reason the GOP is hot to trot on amnesty is like this: All the big problems--the one's Americans say are their top priorities over and over and over--are hard. Very hard.
They require difficult choices, ones that really will piss many people off.
But, amnesty?
Down there at the bottom. Eh.
They figure they can make some sort of half-assed, fig leaf and get a big WIN they can bring back home to run on in fall.
So, they really do think we are that stupid.
They see it as meaningless and an easy win. They don't give a fuck what we see happening. We are not smart enough to be elected to Congress. They are. That makes you stupid; stupider than they.
They think they're going to bring us peace in our time.
They're going to be pretty damned lucky if they don't get tar and feathers.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 05:36 PM (GEICT)
You and me both.
Somebody mentioned you and a bromance in a comment and I ran with it.
Don't worry -- your secret is safe with me.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Conservative Crank's iPhone at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (qQWQE)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 30, 2014 01:39 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (dfYL9)
How about this, GOP, stop anchor babies, period.
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Anchor babies are the straw purchases of immigration policy. There is no law in place that give citizenship to children of illegals.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (9T/th)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (4YooD)
I believe these idiots think they HAVE to get rid of the "Republicans hate Hispanics" stink, and they think amnesty's going to happen anyway. So, they support it, because "We can win the Hispanic vote if we just prove we don't hate the Hispanics"!
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:32 PM (IoTdl)
All the while ignoring that if even Romney had gotten Hispanics to break for him at a percentage even greater than Obama got them he still would have lost. I don't imagine McCain's chances were much better.
Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (LI48c)
I respect some of you that do not want the pain of a 3rd party. Really do.
But I'm ready for a little wilderness myself. Could give a fuck less if the country survives. This is the clincher for me.
I'm sitting this shit out, at the Fed, State, and Local levels. To Hell with the GOP. I will not vote for another one.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 05:36 PM (QryZ9)
I'm with you brother.
We're turtling up. I'll not share specifics online (this aint FB) but we have means, and we're one one side: our own.
To borrow and modify the Marine slogan,
Be polite
Be Professional
Trust no one
Have a plan to kill everyone you meet
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (m2CN7)
They don't think that even if this shit is shot down or has no chance that the public will still revolt against the basic concept and against them?
I'll tell you one thing, they go forward with this, whether it's some super sekrit plan towards failure or not, they will lose a LOT of support.
Posted by: DangerGirl at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (GrtrJ)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:40 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)
I an nominally a member of the R party so I can vote in primaries (wanted to vote for W over McCain a number of years ago, for example). However, no allegiance and no dollars to them, they are off the rails.
Why now?, says it all. Only thing that makes sense is twofold.
(1) Heavy pressure from Chamber of Commerce/crony capitalist lobby.
(2) If they wait, people will still be livid come the Presidential election in 2016. If they push it now and it fails, it goes away. If it passes, they figure this will allow several years for anger to ebb away and apathy to set in by the time the Presidential race arrives.
Ugh.
Posted by: RM at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (fRppw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: rev dr der commisar miller at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (kI7xg)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (exFew)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (A98Xu)
Posted by: buzzion at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:42 PM (4YooD)
Huge mistake not pushing English as the national language. Besides EVERYTHING else, imagine what it will cost to comply with the inevitable laws requiring everything be in spanish as well as english.
Posted by: Seems legit at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (A98Xu)
Just wait until it's "Press 3 for English." (spoken in Arabic)
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:43 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (IoTdl)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (olDqf)
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by: Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 05:40 PM (m2CN7)
Aye.
When the next idiot that the RNC prances out to run, courtesy of Lance Prepubescent, I'll just choose to.... play golf? My cars need some work, holy cow, there's a ton of things I could better spend my time doing than
Vote For The Next Idiot Loser.
but never demoncrap. nope.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (x3YFz)
What happens when the Fed can't turn the spigot off? Seriously, what is the cap? 20m? 50m? 70m?
Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 05:42 PM (fGPLK)
What's the population of Latin America?
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:44 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (QryZ9)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 01:45 PM (kkuhJ)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (9T/th)
Posted by: Null at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (P7hip)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (exFew)
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (/FnUH)
I agree Ace, and I have arrived at the point many around here have....that I will no longer support the lesser of two evils.
My only point is that our country will become something radically different in the span of a few years if we break away from the Republican party, and that makes me sad, because I love this country.
It's almost certainly going to happen anyway, but still.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (QFxY5)
No problems with that, in fact...don't we have laws concerning this?
Implement Entry-Exit Visa Tracking System
No problems with that, in fact I wouldn't have a problem with expanding the temp workers visa program either, but once again...don't we already have laws for this?
Employment Verification and Workplace Enforcement
I thought we were already supposed to be doing this?
So for the first three points...how about enforcing existing law? It does have the advantage of never being tried, apparently.
Youth
I actually don't have a problem with some sort of limited dream program either, except that I know that it will eventually be used to bring all the relatives in with the "legal" one being the sponsor.
Individuals Living Outside the Rule of Law
Anything that doesn't include the phrase "immediate deportation" is bullshit, and this is where they lose most of the rest of us.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: NSA Clerk #A55561 at January 30, 2014 05:43 PM (yn6XZ)
as if the last 4 years isn't enough? dude... might as well just loop gaotse
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (x3YFz)
I'm starting to get talked into that.
I read that guy's accomplishments--and it's almost like porn for me. Posted by: tasker
So you like amnesty, then.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:46 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (ZPrif)
Most importantly, how do I get in on this sweet fucking scam?
Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (exFew)
...was thinking exactly both those thoughts.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (x3YFz)
ENFORCE THE LAW!!!
SECURE THE BORDER
TRACK VISAS
DEPORT THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BE HERE
There's a list for the GOP to ponder.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 01:47 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: garrett at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (exFew)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (IXrOn)
I think most Ruling Class Repubs support Amnesty for the same reason W Bush supported Amnesty -- they are rich blue-bloods that have Mexican nannies and gardeners and servants that they like and they think it would be kinda mean to not give them amnesty.
Everything you just said is bullshit emotional crap.
Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 01:48 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: traye at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (f7Iot)
I honestly don't know what to think of the GOP. They could have the greatest electoral triumph this year, and they seem determined to help the Democrats out of their troubles.
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Because they have a far greater enemy - a populace who wants to direct their own life, and spend less. Call it the tea party or any other name, they are the enemy. The establishment GOP and the democrats are like shia and sunni arabs - there may be differences between them, but from the perspective of a Christian caught in their lands, they are almost identical.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (9T/th)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (bCEmE)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 01:49 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (IoTdl)
Why would Walker comment on that?
He did. He was asked in an interview. He said he could see a path to naturalization, sure.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (84gbM)
The republicans did a very good job of getting terrible obamacare stories out of the news and everyone talking about amnesty. So....win. or something.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (n0DEs)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 30, 2014 01:50 PM (naUcP)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (QxSug)
The Republicans also flatly refused to go to conference. Straight up or down votes on bills. This will never pass the Senate.
This is not going anywhere.
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 05:38 PM (g1DWB)
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So you think this is just another example of Boehner's procedural genius?
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Iblis at January 30, 2014 01:51 PM (9221z)
Let's face it, if the donks would have actually needed a GOP vote for Obamacare, they'd have gotten it. Were it not for pro-2nd Amendment donks, they'd have gotten their gun registry a year ago. I actually trust more Dems to oppose Obama than the GOP.
Posted by: mugiwara at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (3a584)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (0cMkb)
Clueless, frantic, busy work.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 05:48 PM (IXrOn)
So it's you that was spying on me trying to do laundry yesterday.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)
Corporate money funneled to reelection campaign accounts that will ensure that the congressmen in question will remain in office for as long as they want.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (QFxY5)
The penalty for knowingly hiring an illegal alien is $1M. Anyone who provide information leading to the convinction of someone for hiring an illegal will receive $100K.
EOS.
You won't even need border agents.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (P3U0f)
Any bets how long it would be until the first lawsuit is filed? And any bets on whether or not that would stand up in court?<<<
Can just hear the illegal advocacy groups starting with the "no taxation without representation" chants -- claiming that they're just holding true to Tea Party-esqe principals.
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 30, 2014 01:52 PM (I2cH2)
***
and more importantly a job as a lobbyist afterwards.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (P3U0f)
In what fucking universe does the economic need of the country call for more immigration?
Posted by: Adam at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)
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Money. It's always the money.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (uQw9t)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 30, 2014 01:53 PM (9T/th)
CAC has his hopes pinned on Walker.
I'm starting to get talked into that.
I read that guy's accomplishments--and it's almost like porn for me.
Posted by: tasker
So you like amnesty, then.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)
*************
Really?
Why would Walker comment on that?
Did he?
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 05:48 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (Bps3R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan
Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 05:51 PM (QxSug)
Unfortunately, as a student of history and a bookworm, I acknowledge that 1) you're right and 2) You're so right it's scary.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ace at January 30, 2014 05:37 PM (/FnUH)
You mean like a Mexican standoff...
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 01:54 PM (uQw9t)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (84gbM)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (IXrOn)
What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)
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Money. It's always the money.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 05:53 PM (5PeyL)
How come I get short-changed here? After all, without me, money doesn't mean jack shit.
Posted by: The Power at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:55 PM (ZPrif)
This.
The GOP is using anti-ObamaCare sentiment as the carrier for all the other sh*t it wants to pass now. It has done nothing to shrink the Leviathan and is coopting Progressive government. Just like "border security" is held hostage to "path to citizenship", so is any conservative legislation policy held hostage to anti-ObamaCare rhetoric. ObamaCare sentiment is the vehicle to escort big government policies conservatives won't accept.
It won't work. I refuse to play.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (eHIJJ)
GoP can't even claim 2% of the Chicano vote, much less non-English speaking new arrivals from the hinterlands of S America.
Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (fGPLK)
Deviate from this nomenclature, and you will have snails (hungry, angry snails who've been poked with sticks and threatened with Salt) placed upon your nether regions.
//end decree
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:56 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Bob Beckle at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (uUXp6)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (ZPrif)
What's the cold, logical argument for Republican support of amnesty?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:50 PM (IoTdl)
I'll need to know your definition of amnesty before I could answer your question. At aos, it seems to be anything less than the immediate deportation of the 15 to 25 million illegals.
Posted by: polynikes at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (FGsJM)
http://tinyurl.com/m2tz7e8 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk
In your link, he claims he was taken out of context. So clarify it. "I will never, under any circumstances, give legal status to those who came to this country illegally, and furthermore, my first order of business will be to seal the border by building a 40' wall along it's entire length. " See? Simple.
You know who else says he doesn't support amnesty? Marco Rubio and Paul Ryan. If you don't support amnesty, it's pretty simple to convey that point.
Walker did not back a pathway to citizenship, as he clearly laid out in his interview with Bannon. At the time, he was presented with a purely hypothetical situation.
What does that even mean? Either you reject amnesty or you don't. Hypothetically or not, if you mean it, you can convey that. This just isn't that hard.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Golem_master at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (i6/+j)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (cHZB7)
The fix is in. This is the deal. The Senate stays about the same so the Dems have control in return they slack off on the House elections so's the GOP can claim a victory.
This is why they don't care about what we think about amnesty; the FIX IS IN.
They'll be going through the motions just in case of a double cross but basically the GOP stays the minority in the Senate and the GOP has the House. But that's okay with the Dems because they know they can roll right over the GOP anytime they feel like it and the GOP is okay with the Dems in the Senate cause they can blame their leftward lurches on them and other such excuses.
Too bad. I may even vote Democrat just to screw up their little deal.
Sadly, it's the only way someone like me can influence what's going on.
It's like a little kid who does bad stuff to get mommy's attention because that's the only time she pays attention to them.
Waaahhh. Fuck You Republicans.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: steevy at January 30, 2014 01:57 PM (zqvg6)
I'm now taking bets on whether our near-future will look more like the 1850s or the late 1810s.
My money's on the latter - El PRL is looking to merge with the Rats just like the Federalists did.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 05:39 PM (Bps3R)
FIFY, by removing the threat of the Scandi snow-wop iceback scourge...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 05:56 PM (fGPLK)
Have you ever seen mexican TV?
1 girl + tights + camel toe + fat mexican guy who thinks he's funny + laugh track.
Your IQ will drop 0.5/minute so don't watch too long.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 01:58 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (IoTdl)
Posted by: NCwoof at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 30, 2014 01:59 PM (uUXp6)
Posted by: Not theoretical at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (FGsJM)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (qNzkX)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Johnny "Redneck" Boehner at January 30, 2014 05:58 PM (yn6XZ)
There's some places where redneck is a compliment.
Boner hasn't earned that patch.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (6TB1Z)
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But pep, why would he say that? He's not running for President. He's running for Governor of the state of Wisconsin.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 02:00 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (29vnO)
Posted by: Fritz at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (UzPAd)
This.
Posted by: kartoffel at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (07vvi)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 30, 2014 02:01 PM (uUXp6)
Posted by: 13times at January 30, 2014 05:56 PM (fGPLK)
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....or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria.........
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:02 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (i+Vw2)
Too bad. I may even vote Democrat just to screw up their little deal.
Sadly, it's the only way someone like me can influence what's going on.
It's like a little kid who does bad stuff to get mommy's attention because that's the only time she pays attention to them.
Waaahhh. Fuck You Republicans.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (LSDdO)
I called my congressman's local office this morning and told the staffer there that if he wants my vote, he better not vote for any agreement concerning immigration anything in the house. I told them I will actively pound the pavement for the democrat in this district come this november.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: The Women at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (M+t3U)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (84gbM)
Reasonable questions.
1) He was asked his opinion on this topic in the interview.
2) Do you really think he isn't running for President in '16? His response then may have been careless, but his followup wasn't. He's doing damage control.
I'll bet you some form of public humiliation that he is running. Not that I want to see you humiliated because you seem nice, but still.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (6TB1Z)
This is why many states are now hard blue, the FOB crowd is solid blue on many issues that Americans disagreed with pre-1986 amnesty.
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan
Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (QxSug)
And the solution to the problem is... well, to put it bluntly, global warfare. I try to think tactically and strategically, but strategically, this war... well, not to pour hot sauce on peoples' pancakes, but this shit is nearly irrecoverable.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:03 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (cHZB7)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (4YooD)
Posted by: Bete resigned to just watching the world burn at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (Lqb+9)
I keep hoping this is some sort of kabuki smoke and mirrors thing cooked up to show the GOP has a plan and cares, but they will make sure it goes nowhere. Bring it up now so that this fall it can get shelved as "oh we covered that," then let the employee mandate, or O-care enrollees soon to get letters saying they applied wrong so their coverage is dropped, take front page. But that is wishful thinking on my part, as it assumes facts not in evidence: that the GOP is actually smart.
Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (BF+2f)
Lots and lots of money. That's what they ran for; now they've got it. Lots and lots forever and ever.
Posted by: NCwoof at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (aUQgu)
Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 30, 2014 02:04 PM (29vnO)
Boner hasn't earned that patch.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (x3YFz)
Besides, he is an orangeneck.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 30, 2014 02:05 PM (F75MN)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:05 PM (qNzkX)
This is why many states are now hard blue, the
FOB crowd is solid blue on many issues that Americans disagreed with
pre-1986 amnesty.
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan
Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 06:00 PM (QxSug)
And the solution to the problem is... well, to put it bluntly, global warfare. I try to think tactically and strategically, but strategically, this war... well, not to pour hot sauce on peoples' pancakes, but this shit is nearly irrecoverable.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:03 PM (x3YFz)
BUT... having said that.
We weren't put here to quit or give up or capitulate.
We fight.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:05 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:05 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (o+SC1)
The best thing anyone right of center can do is declare themselves as not participating in the US electoral system. Roughly half the country announcing the system as illegitimate would do more than continually voting for guys who can't wait to stab you in the back at every opportunity. Even if you believe in the idea of representative government, there is no way to win because your so-called representatives want to replace you.
Posted by: Golem_master at January 30, 2014 05:57 PM (i6/+j)
Who's going to come in and enforce a regime change on said illegitimate system? The rest of the "civilized" world is cheering on the Communists and the Rat78s/Partido Republicano Legado in their war against us, and the Islamokazis, while supportive of "regime change", only will support a change to a subservient client Caliphate state.
We're on our own, and the last of a dying breed. Either we fight and probably die now or lie back and surely die.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 30, 2014 02:06 PM (yz6yg)
THE BASE DID NOT STAY HOME!
Apparently they want to try it and see how that works for them though.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (QxSug)
While registering them to vote. Almost no one checks to see if you lied when you checked the "citizen" box (because that would be racist), and when Iowa's SecState found foreign nationals on the rolls, he was sued by a Dem group and legally prohibited from removing them.
Posted by: MSNBC at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:06 PM (o44nj)
We all die eventually. I will not cede my integrity, and I don't fear anything.
non timebo mala
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:08 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 02:09 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 02:09 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 02:09 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: Kensington (@NYKensington) at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (Z7toi)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (84gbM)
I think it's time for a drink
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 30, 2014 06:06 PM (yz6yg)
Raises an interesting question... lol
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (x3YFz)
But by then it won't matter.
I foresee people acting on their convictions and moving out of their states or hunkering down while the progressives go on a law making binge that overloads the capacity of the organs that are vested with the responsibility of enforcement.
It's like with the NSA if they're listening to everybody, they can't pin down anybody.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 02:10 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:11 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:09 PM (GEICT)
so wrong. so so wrong.
I fear nothing because of love.
silly.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:11 PM (x3YFz)
I'll bet you some form of public humiliation that he is running. Not that I want to see you humiliated because you seem nice, but still.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 06:03 PM (6TB1Z) ========================
I think he's probably exploring the idea, yes. The thing that made me think that is the autobiography he has recently published, titled "Unintimidated".
I love him as my governor. I'm not sure he'd make a great presidential candidate. He's a good, solid, pleasant business manager mostly. I'd like to keep him here at the State level if we could, because I think he'd have a tough time in an aggressive campaign. He is Midwestern nice.
It's lovely that you think I am nice too. See - I CAN fool some of the people most of the time! 
Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 02:11 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Draki at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (L8r/r)
Posted by: cynicus maximus at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (H+j7N)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (qNzkX)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:03 PM (g1DWB)
Yeah tell that to the first judge who sees this bill that crosses his/her desk. Any legalization without citizenship or benefits will not fly and will be struck down two seconds after Obama's ink is dry.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:12 PM (buZ/8)
Why aren't all Republicans wholly subsidiaries of the Tides foundation?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 30, 2014 05:59 PM (IoTdl)
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What makes you think that many repubs haven't bought into the Tides Foundation? It looks like some of them have, especially the leadership. Just because we haven't heard anything about it doesn't mean it's not happening.
I have a very strong feeling that what we know as public information about the goings-on in this congress is just the very tip of a very large iceberg.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:13 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: Cher at January 30, 2014 06:10 PM (e0nsQ)
you mean the "architect?" who hasn't gotten shit right in 14 years? uh... yeah.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:13 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at January 30, 2014 02:13 PM (uUXp6)
drudge headline: gop wants to work with obama on his "year of action".
all the signals are there, the gop wants no part in a resurgence of conservatism.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 02:13 PM (n0DEs)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (ZEvg7)
Posted by: Woodward and Bernstein at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (t3sZY)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (wkEVf)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 06:12 PM (8FyP4)
I love him, but he's about 0.03 cm from ragestroke.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 02:14 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:15 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:15 PM (qNzkX)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:16 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 02:16 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:16 PM (qNzkX)
drudge headline: gop wants to work with obama on his "year of action".
all the signals are there, the gop wants no part in a resurgence of conservatism.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 30, 2014 06:13 PM (n0DEs)
(looks at calendar)
November.
There's going to be a reckoning.
And if any of you idiots that work for congresscritters are perusing this site? (you are, I know this).
Update your resume by August. just a pro-tip.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:17 PM (x3YFz)
Except for that whole theory vs. practice thing.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 30, 2014 02:17 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 30, 2014 02:17 PM (l3vZN)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
The Republicans have already split from us.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 30, 2014 02:18 PM (ZMzpb)
Several big corporate donors including AT&T sent a letter to Congress demanding, among other things, that illegals be made legal.
I can't find that letter anywhere on Google or Bing.
Anybody possibly have a link?
Thanks!
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 02:18 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 02:18 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (ZEvg7)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: teej at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (xDlyw)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (T0NGe)
That way the Dems will be able to claim Repubs hate Mexicans for decades more and are just trying to prevent them from voting. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 06:02 PM (ZPrif)
How do you say "separate but not equal" in Espanol? I see that going up on a sea of signs.
Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 02:19 PM (BF+2f)
Posted by: Cato at January 30, 2014 02:20 PM (i+Vw2)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 02:20 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 02:20 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 02:21 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 02:21 PM (zDsvJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:22 PM (ZPrif)
Those that truly have no fear whatsoever, well, that's a mental disorder. We all have something that we fear losing.
Loving something to the point of being willing to die for it, in defense of it, doesn't remove the fear of losing it.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:19 PM (GEICT)
I'm going to let this one go because it's evident you have exactly no fucking idea what you're talking about.
I like your posts here and think you're a good guy. We're obviously not going to agree on this because we come at it 180 degrees apart.
I will say that for you to assume I haven't suffered loss and therefore act in a manner (which you call "fear," I don't) to protect my sphere is inaccurate.
But you don't know me, and I don't know you, so let's just leave it there.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:22 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 30, 2014 02:22 PM (6S6me)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:22 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:22 PM (ZEvg7)
I was thinking Congress but it was to the President. Here is the preamble for your reading and dry heaving pleasure...
http://tinyurl.com/kzyscbz
January 15, 2014 The President The White House Washington, DC 20500 Dear Mr. President: America’s business leaders believe that there is no greater domestic priority for Congress and the Administration than getting our economy growing faster. Business Roundtable would like to share with you our 2014 growth agenda “Invested in America.” If we want to control the deficit, preserve key entitlement programs, educate our children, grow jobs, and offer upward economic mobility for everyone, we have to return the U.S. economy to its full growth potential.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 02:22 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 02:23 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 30, 2014 02:23 PM (dvRYt)
Fuck them. I'm done.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:23 PM (oA2WS)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (GEICT)
Posted by: NCwoof at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (aUQgu)
Come on, Jack, you don't really believe that crap, do you?
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 02:24 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 30, 2014 06:14 PM (Aif/5)
I thought this was a joke...but it's not. Per BB, she's likely to run for his seat.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 02:25 PM (cHZB7)
The _mistakes_ of their parents?
As though one day the father suddenly leaps up and slaps his forehead Homer Simpson style and shouts,
"D'oh! I screwed up! Kids, I actually meant to sneak into Argentina illegally but instead by mistake I snuck into America! It's all because of those darned 'A' letters. So confusing!"
Let's be clear. These parents didn't make mistakes. They committed a crime. Knowingly and actively so.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 02:25 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:25 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:25 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: elaine at January 30, 2014 02:26 PM (GNZ0/)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (EGq3p)
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (RZ8pf)
Again, anybody who presents this legalization bullshit as a viable option to sate the insanity coming from the GOP needs to go get their mental status checked.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (eie1R)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker Waitress Model Actress Wears Prada at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (GeVLX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:27 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:28 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:28 PM (ZEvg7)
- John 12:25 -
There are similar sayings in Zen Buddhism/Bushido
To act rightly one must not focus on what will be lost or gained but focus on the moment and making the right moves for the conditions and actions of others.
The correct move now is if the GOP endorses/enacts an amnesty bill and that bill passes and is signed into law then they must be removed for they have failed in their duty to those who believed their promises and claims.
They will have forced this fight to be fought during a General Election because they will not reveal what they plan on doing until after the Primaries.
They have set the stage. They are trying to force those of us who have claimed principles to now make a much starker choice than in a primary. We will now have to face the fact that to show our resolve we will have to at least temporarily surrender gov't to the Democrats.
Remember THEY HAVE MADE THIS FIGHT WHAT IT IS.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (13th Level SoCon) at January 30, 2014 02:28 PM (LSDdO)
The history of the last 50 years is that once you start down this path, judges and the Dems will ensure that whatever they think is to their advantage, happens, the law and the will of the people be damned. Why on earth would you trust them on something that will give them an electoral lock for the next century, and allow them to permanently alter this country, and not for the better?
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 02:28 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:09 PM (GEICT)
Or maybe has nothing left to lose?
Either way, this is not me. I fear for a lot of things, either because there are things I love or there are things I have left to lose.
The problem is that I don't see much that I can do about it.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 02:29 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 30, 2014 02:29 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 02:30 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:30 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 02:30 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: Lilredhen at January 30, 2014 02:30 PM (u3yX3)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 02:31 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at January 30, 2014 06:14 PM (zDsvJ)
Fifteen Democrat-held seats.
Fifteen at least conceivably up for grabs.
Now this?
Immigration is the perfect epi-pen for a GOP allergic to success.
Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 06:27 PM (eie1R)
Why don't you adjust for GOP insanity in your next poll thread. I would suggest -4 seats for the senate as a starting point.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:31 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Cicero Kid waits a few more years before bugging out at January 30, 2014 02:32 PM (Bps3R)
I keep bringing it up but here it is again: In most respects, the current GOP Establishment is in an eerily similar position to that held by Whig Party leadership of 1852. The base of the Whig Party, frustrated with its leadership's go-along and get-along attitude towards the Democrats, as well as the Whig Party's abject refusal to oppose the Democrats over the Fugitive Slave Act, split off and formed the Republican Party. Big political names like Lincoln and Fremont crossed over and joined the new party. Others followed, and the Whigs withered into irrelevance.
Yes, the issue was slavery then, the biggest and most divisive issue in our history, but right now, the Republic is being destroyed, supplanted by an increasingly tyrannical socialist superstate. And guess what? The GOP Establishment refuses to fight--hell, they even refuse to avoid internal divisions over immigration reform because they're so eager to please the big money donors so hot for amnesty.
A party split would not be unprecedented, but I can't even guess at the outcome. The Magic 8-Ball says COME BACK LATER.
Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2014 02:32 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 30, 2014 02:32 PM (cHZB7)
And that's a good start.
Posted by: Fritz at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (pginn)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (itCai)
I assume you know this, but the 3/5 vote was intended to keep slavery out of new states entering the union. Libs think is was to keep the black man down.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (oA2WS)
Can't wait until our currency is completely debased and the powers that be decide we will participate in the New World Order currency, whatever that will be....
/so, I guess those nut jobs on Coast to Coast am were right all along? Also... gold bithez!
Posted by: shibumi at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (25HWz)
Nevermore. I'm done with "being a good citizen." I'll watch out for myself, my family of Black Angels, and the Cute Cat Lady- as much as she allows.
Gone Galt- as far as I can.
Posted by: backhoe at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (ULH4o)
How did that work out?
And I didn't disagree with you on that, and said so right here. I wasn't sure, and so was willing to listen to both sides on the shutdown. I also think the GOP may have come out ahead by having Cruz put that stake in the ground.
But having established my bona fides as someone who's open-minded and willing to see both sides, there is no other side here. It's national suicide, and it is complete folly.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 02:33 PM (6TB1Z)
There's a multi-billion dollar class action suit developing where Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc. coordinated wage controls and hiring of staff/management to drive down wages. The whole Green Card game for STEM is not to fill slots with qualified applicants; it's to fill slots with the cheapest labor possible. Wholly qualified engineers, programmers, and expertise are being driven out of work (or their wages anti-capitalistically capped) by foreign and temp hires who are not citizens. It is these globalist entities that wish to import cheaper labor even though the talent pool already exists.
So Amnesty and its tentacle legislation is going to hit every class as far as employment and wages are concerned, nevermind the import of voting patterns that will weigh heavily socialist/fascist.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (eHIJJ)
But if you want to walk back and keep it civil, fine.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 30, 2014 06:24 PM (GEICT)
we can take it up in e-mails if you'd like.
Brother, I'm not walking back. I've lost more troops, brothers (like yeah, my two brothers... from mom brothers), dogs, cousins, friends; in the last 3 years than I can count.
You imply that because I "didn't fear" the loss that I'm mentally deficient. That's beyond insulting. But I let it go because you don't understand.
In every case, from dogs to troops to brothers, I did everything I could to the best of my ability to keep them alive for as long as I could. Offered the best advice I was capable of, made sure every troop was trained and had the gear, fed the pooches the highest quality food money could buy.
But in the end. I'm not the boss. The universe is. And it decides. All I can do is what I can do. Fear doesn't enter the equation. No time for it, no tolerance of it.
Get me?
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker Waitress Model Actress Wears Prada at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (GeVLX)
Posted by: CAC at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (eie1R)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: shibumi at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (25HWz)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (o+SC1)
Immigration Reform: AmericaÂ’s unique competitive advantage has always been its ability to attract the best talent. Congress should fix the broken immigration system to create a larger pool of visas for higher-skilled workers, enact a new visa system for lower-skilled workers, offer a path forward for undocumented workers already living in the United States, and allocate greater resources to strengthen enforcement and secure our borders. Done right, reform can increase our economic growth rate, reduce our deficit, and contribute significantly to AmericaÂ’s future.
Done right, we can easily donate to GOP candidates rather than Dem candidates and create an indentured workforce that will outwork a Hebrew pyramid builder! Please ignore the Americans that we are laying off right and left.
Ok, I made that last part up.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 30, 2014 02:34 PM (5ikDv)
Those of you who actually live where you have Republicans on the other end of the phone had better light up those phones right now. Pols always assume silence equals assent.
But please, please don't get harsh with the poor low level schlubs who have to answer the phone. It really does matter how you come across. Personable and polite but firmly determined works best.
"You know I've voted for Senator Stemwinder regularly in the past, and I had hoped to continue that, but if he supports this reckless amnesty, there's just no way I will ever be able to vote for him again. If the Senator wants support next election, he had better not support this nonsense."
You don't have to actually voice the concept that if Stemwinder gets tossed out on his rear, so does the staffer you're talking to. And you don't have to explicitly explain that the staffer's job prospects after politics are not anywhere nearly as lavish as Stemwinder's are. Staffers understand all that quite well already.
Postal letters work well too. Especially a lot of them at once. There's something about the visual impact of overflowing mail sacks in the office anteroom that scares the pants off of pols.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 02:35 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:35 PM (tmzN0)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker Waitress Model Actress Wears Prada at January 30, 2014 02:36 PM (GeVLX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 02:36 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:36 PM (oA2WS)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 02:37 PM (E+uky)
That's as good an explanation as any, isn't it?
Posted by: shibumi at January 30, 2014 02:37 PM (25HWz)
Yep, I do. Course I also believed that letting Obamacare play out was a much better strategy than shutting down the government over an issue we could never win was a better strategy too.
How did that work out?
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:28 PM (g1DWB)
We could never win on that issue because we still have the same people leading the republican party then as are leading it now. The same people who were undercutting the shutdown at every opportunity, who passed a TRILLION DOLLAR FARM BILL, who passed a debt ceiling increase without a fight (because that was a hill to die on), who rid us of the sequester cuts after saying it was here to stay, who removed veterans benefits but could not bear to cut food stamps, who will not investigate by select committee: Benghazi, the IRS scandal, the NSA, or Holder's Fast and Furius.
I could go ON AND ON. And you tell us now that legalization won't lead to citizenship? What facts based on the history of this party lead you to this conclusion? Because any sane individual would look at this and laugh in your face for your Charlie Brown level of idiocy.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:37 PM (buZ/8)
The thing that really makes me crazy about this whole thing is the why. Why the fuck are they doing this? There is zero upside, yet they are all tripping over themselves to get it done. Why? WHY?
Posted by: Lauren at January 30, 2014 05:28 PM (hFL/3)
The GOP Establishment is humping the legs of the big money corporate donors who lust after some of that sweet, cheap labor.
Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2014 02:37 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:38 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 02:38 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:38 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 02:38 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: BSKB at January 30, 2014 02:38 PM (4KWOY)
Article V Convention people. Might as well try since these fuckwads in DC have no balls, convictions, and hate people outside the beltway.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 06:15 PM (buZ/
You do realize that as soon as the Beltway Motherfuckers recognize 34 states as wanting an Article V Convention, they will hijack it to "constitutionally" force the USSA on us, no further state legislature involvement required, right? There is no mechanism requiring Congress to recognize a state's right to choose its own delegates to either the national convention or its own ratification convention.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 02:39 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 06:36 PM (oA2WS)
I'm going to vote. I'll write in my dog, Maggie. She could govern with fewer negative consequences than these idiots do.
She just wants scritches.
And some chicken. (apologies to The Chicken)
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:39 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:39 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 02:39 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:39 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 02:40 PM (8FyP4)
My only regret is that I have but one perfectly-trimmed boxwood hedge to give for my country.
Posted by: Zombie Nathan Hale at January 30, 2014 02:40 PM (8ZskC)
For the first time in my life, I may actually sit out the election in November. The GOP hasn't earned my vote. In fact, all they've done was piss me off.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:40 PM (oA2WS)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 30, 2014 02:41 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: blue oyster cult at January 30, 2014 02:41 PM (SgWU/)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 30, 2014 02:41 PM (E+uky)
Good point.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:41 PM (oA2WS)
Posted by: elaine at January 30, 2014 02:41 PM (GNZ0/)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:41 PM (g1DWB)
(rhetorical, metaphorical, and a silent plea for attention.)
Posted by: Ralph q. Esq. at January 30, 2014 02:42 PM (tc40V)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 02:42 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: BSKB at January 30, 2014 06:38 PM (4KWOY)
News: I am a Tea Party extremist and I'm growing more radical by the day. Of course, my extremist views consist of loving freedom and a fervent desire to preserve the Republic, so I guess I'm an extremist the way Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Adams, et al were extremists.
People seem to forget that the Founders were genuine revolutionaries.
Posted by: troyriser at January 30, 2014 02:42 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 02:43 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: CPAC Welcome Committee at January 30, 2014 02:43 PM (Cs2tJ)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:43 PM (ZEvg7)
I've argued before that a brutally direct pitch should be made to the senior citizen bloc about amnesty versus entitlements.
"You paid into the system for your benefits. Now they're talking about adding thirty million more people to the system, who didn't pay in a dime, or who if they paid in, paid far less then you did. Now, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MONEY WILL COME FROM FOR *THEIR* BENEFITS? It will come from reducing yours. Simple as that."
Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 02:44 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 02:44 PM (g7osp)
It would just be way too hard to enforce current laws, you know like Mexico does, or Namibia.
Posted by: GOP leadership at January 30, 2014 02:45 PM (wAQA5)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 06:33 PM (oA2WS)
And also as an attempt to keep the slave states from having their cake and eating it, too, by claiming slaves as citizens to gain extra representatives (that the slaves, as not-really-citizens, wouldn't be allowed to vote for).
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 02:45 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 30, 2014 02:45 PM (P6QsQ)
Embrace this cluster foxtrot called amnesty,
Their days will numbered and rightfully so,
These gelded eunuchs of the rino status quo,
To the dustbin of history they will be.
Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 02:45 PM (J+cfY)
Posted by: Albie Damned at January 30, 2014 02:46 PM (cGaCp)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:46 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: whoever at January 30, 2014 02:46 PM (zu9Ee)
I couldn't agree more. So build the damn fence. That way, people might actually be willing to believe that you mean what you say.
Do you honestly think Boehner and other Republicans don't get that lots of people in their base don't want amnesty? Do you think they don't realize if they make these guys citizens they are hurting themselves?
Marco Rubio would like a word with you.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 02:46 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:46 PM (oA2WS)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 30, 2014 02:47 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 30, 2014 02:47 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:39 PM (o44nj)
What are you talking about? An article V convention is independent of the Federal Gov't. They can try to appoint whatever they want, but the states are the controlling factions here. And any amendment coming from a convention would need to pass 3/4 of the state legislatures. The amendments would have to be pretty popular to pass. I don't think a communist dictatorship would come from this.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:48 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 02:48 PM (ZEvg7)
Posted by: mc at January 30, 2014 02:48 PM (lrfmC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:48 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 30, 2014 02:48 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:48 PM (g1DWB)
Or, we can vote for third party, or a write-in, hopefully costing some of the more despicable reps their seats. If Boehner is ousted, he's done. He won't run again.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 30, 2014 02:49 PM (oA2WS)
Yeah, I know...
All we can do is fall on our knees and pray.
Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 02:49 PM (ZWaLo)
Somehow stories like yours never get brought up in the cheery "doing the jobs Americans won't do" narrative.
I had an earnest liberal giving me the big old classic "taxes are the price we pay for civilization" routine.
I said, "How then do you square that up with having millions of illegal aliens employed on under the table cash terms which are specifically meant to avoid taxes? Isn't that by your lights undercutting our civilization?"
Fish out of water eye-rolling and mouth-flapping ensued.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 02:49 PM (gqT4g)
How did that work out?
-------------------------------------------------
I think the shutdown did what it was supposed to do. And that was to show the American people just how far the DC government is willing to go to oppress our voices. If nothing else, it was a great lesson on the attitudes of those in power.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:49 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 30, 2014 02:50 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:50 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:50 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 02:50 PM (J+cfY)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 02:51 PM (/o+xv)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM
Is this a rhetorical question? Multiple choice?
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:51 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Costanza Defense at January 30, 2014 02:51 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM
YES!
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 30, 2014 06:43 PM (/o+xv)
I give you all a video of a DC politician smarter than all of us. The man is brilliant!
http://tinyurl.com/kz56ufe
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (g1DWB)
So where is all their cheap labor going to come from then?
Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: blaster at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (4+AaH)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 06:41 PM
Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:52 PM (x3YFz)
--
I realize there's a nood, and I probably am left commenting to myself...but I don't think "we" lose over and over on this issue. Conversely, the majority of the public doesn't want amnesty. Well, at least according to every poll that seems to come out.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 30, 2014 02:53 PM (Oa7B2)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 02:53 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 02:53 PM (3qFD9)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 30, 2014 02:53 PM (tmzN0)
Posted by: tasker at January 30, 2014 02:54 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 30, 2014 02:54 PM (ZPrif)
What are you talking about? An article V convention is independent of the Federal Gov't. They can try to appoint whatever they want, but the states are the controlling factions here. And any amendment coming from a convention would need to pass 3/4 of the state legislatures. The amendments would have to be pretty popular to pass. I don't think a communist dictatorship would come from this.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 06:48 PM (buZ/
It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states. There is nothing other than nearly-230-year-old precedent (that violated the Articles of Confederation, BTW) that says the states have a role in selecting who goes to that convention. No mention in the Constitution that states have the right to send dlegates, no federal statute that says the states have the right to send delegates - nothing.
Further, Congress, at its discretion, can call state-level conventions for ratification in lieu of ratification by state legislatures. Again, there is nothing that says that Congress can't hand-pick the delegates.
As we've seen over the last 100-some years, if there is no prohibition against the federal government usurping the powers of the states (and even in cases where there is a prohibition), the federal government will usurp states' powers.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 02:55 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 02:55 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:52 PM (x3YFz)
Beat you to it!
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 02:55 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 30, 2014 02:55 PM (g7osp)
Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 02:55 PM (J+cfY)
Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 06:49 PM (ZWaLo)
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At this particular point I feel that's all we can do. We the People are powerless.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 02:55 PM (5PeyL)
I've been suspicious of the motives of Big Business ever since the Reagan years.
You will recall Lenin's adage that "the capitalists will sell us the rope we will use to hang them". Well, the corporate fat cats were fucking well clamoring for rope export permits to let them trade with the USSR.
The fat cats said sheepishly, "Well, they pay on time." Yeah, the blood money from slave labor and genocidal theft arrives promptly. What a thing to be proud of.
I later learned, once I got a bit further up the cynicism curve, of the extensive cooperation between Big Business in the USA, and that in Nazi Germany. Including right in the middle of the war!
Posted by: torquewrench at January 30, 2014 02:56 PM (gqT4g)
Yeah. They know far more than a blogger who can run a website and write code. Congress. brilliant.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:56 PM (x3YFz)
Pyramids builders were egyptians, faithful peons that built them in the Old Kingdom. Jews and other slaves captured to do The Jobs Egyptians Just Won't Do, ie build temples and tombs, did their work during the later eras. But yes your point still holds.
And yes Countrysquire, I learned the wrong explanation for 3/5 slave counting from elementary school to AP American History. Is standard K-12 lies.
Posted by: LizLem at January 30, 2014 02:56 PM (BF+2f)
Ah, he repented out of fear for his political life. Well then, I guess I should trust him and his judgement and likewise that of his brethren. They know what they're doing, no need to trouble myself.
Posted by: pep at January 30, 2014 02:57 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 30, 2014 02:57 PM (HVff2)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 02:58 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 02:58 PM (5xmd7)
At this particular point I feel that's all we can do. We the People are powerless.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (5PeyL)
No. Enough of this "I give up" nonsense.
The only power they have is that which we give them. Focus on that. FFS FIGHT!
Never quit.
You even look at that bell with the intention of ringing it and I will PT you until your earlobes bleed.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 02:58 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: RioBravo at January 30, 2014 02:59 PM (O3xRV)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 03:00 PM (ZEvg7)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 03:00 PM (g1DWB)
Amnesty Part III.
To be followed by Part IV, Part V, until we are a territory as opposed to a State.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 30, 2014 03:01 PM (eHIJJ)
Beat you to it!
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (buZ/
Damn you Faster Keyboard/Mouse Guy!
//shakefist
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 03:01 PM (x3YFz)
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Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (o44nj)
Incorrect:
Article V
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, {{{or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments,}}} which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution,
"shall call a convention" gives congress no authority to reject such convention. The states can amend the cons without any input for congress.
Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (J+cfY)
It is Congress that calls the national convention, not the states.
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Nope. You're wrong. States can and are gearing up for a Article V Constitutional convention. All perfectly within the realm of the Constitution. It was the last stopgap (right before armed rebellion) the founders put in (at the insistance of the states) against a runaway fed government.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (PEvUl)
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Amnesty Part V, Pedro Takes Manhattan
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (Oa7B2)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 03:02 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 07:00 PM (g1DWB)
Uh. No.
Joe Biden insulted every immigrant from India and got a pass (just ONE example of mr. can't keep his mouth shut)
Dan Quayle spells one word wrong.
Difference? Liberal commie media. Has nothing to do with the merit of the man.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 03:03 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 03:04 PM (ZEvg7)
Posted by: RioBravo at January 30, 2014 03:04 PM (O3xRV)
Further, Congress, at its discretion, can call state-level conventions for ratification in lieu of ratification by state legislatures. Again, there is nothing that says that Congress can't hand-pick the delegates.
As we've seen over the last 100-some years, if there is no prohibition against the federal government usurping the powers of the states (and even in cases where there is a prohibition), the federal government will usurp states' powers.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 06:55 PM (o44nj)
State level conventions are not a norm. Most amendments were passed with state legislatures. On you other point, there is nothing that says that congress can pick the delegates either. No legislation has been passed on a federal level dealing with this. In fact the only thing the constitution states is that congress shall call when 2/3 of the state legislatures call for a convention.
The states can simply deny any authority congress claims it has because congress has no authority over a article V convention.
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 03:05 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 07:02 PM (o+SC1)
the hell? Nebraska? Co Springs.
No one wants to drive to nebraska, and the food is horrible. just truckstop cheeseburgers. ugh.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 03:06 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: PJ at January 30, 2014 03:06 PM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 03:07 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Your Owners at January 30, 2014 03:07 PM (vHRtU)
The only power they have is that which we give them. Focus on that. FFS FIGHT!
Never quit.
You even look at that bell with the intention of ringing it and I will PT you until your earlobes bleed.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 06:58 PM (x3YFz)
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I didn't say that we should quit. I said, "at this particular point". We need to start seeking guidence as to where we go from here, because our choices are being narrowed down exponentially and will become that much more difficult to make. We need to choose well, or we only think we're seeing chaos.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 03:08 PM (5PeyL)
ShannonJoy @ShannonJoyRadio
Cruz to GOP: "Anyone pushing an amnesty bill should go ahead and put a ‘Harry Reid’ bumper sticker on their car"
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2014 03:08 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 30, 2014 03:09 PM (ZEvg7)
Posted by: ATTILA727 at January 30, 2014 03:09 PM (J+cfY)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 03:10 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 30, 2014 03:10 PM (hqh2d)
Article. V. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 03:10 PM (buZ/8)
Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2014 03:10 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 03:11 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: JEM at January 30, 2014 07:07 PM (o+SC1)
An unbelievable thought, and it is even more depressing because I agree with you!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 03:12 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 07:08 PM (5PeyL)
Go small.
City councils. School boards. Zoning meetings. State senate. State reps.
It's a grind. We can't win back what's been lost over 100 years in 1 election cycle or 1 lifetime. But we owe it to our kids and grandkids to fight for our principles.
And you owe it to your own soul.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 03:12 PM (x3YFz)
Oh how I long for the days when the laws were written down and not subject to the whims of a madman!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 30, 2014 03:14 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 07:10 PM (5xmd7)
I'd place next months mortgage payment on the lizard that's been occupying my basement for the last 6 weeks over sheila jackson lee.
Lizard, 4:1
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 03:15 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Ronald W. Reagan at January 30, 2014 03:15 PM (pmsMR)
“It’s important to act on immigration reform because we’re focused on jobs and economic growth, and this is about jobs and growth,” Boehner said in his pitch in the closed meeting.
Not jobs for you -- per se. More "jobs" in a broad, all inclusive, dare I say holistic sense of the term.....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 30, 2014 03:16 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 30, 2014 03:16 PM (6j8ke)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 03:16 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 30, 2014 07:16 PM (6j8ke)
Everyone is. but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpH5L8zCtSk
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 03:18 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 07:16 PM (ojnk6)
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No. I think they're idiots. Fearful idiots, but idiots just the same.
Posted by: Soona at January 30, 2014 03:19 PM (5PeyL)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 03:19 PM (5xmd7)
No one wants to drive to nebraska, and the food is horrible. just truckstop cheeseburgers. ugh.
Posted by: tangonine at January 30, 2014 07:06 PM (x3YFz)
So now you've managed to piss off an entire state, a state that grows that food you deem to be so horrible. Nice work jackass.
FWIW, I grew up 70 miles east of Omaha NE. Been to Nebraska many times. Took my first (preliminary) oath at a MEPS station there. Have relatives there. If you are basing your opinion of Nebraska from interstate truck stops you're an idiot.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 03:21 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 30, 2014 03:24 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 03:24 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 30, 2014 03:27 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: A message at January 30, 2014 03:28 PM (fsHdl)
Posted by: rickl at January 30, 2014 03:30 PM (sdi6R)
1: Write and call your Congressman ASAP to tell them you will not be voting for anyone who supports ANY "immigration reform."
2: A man named J.D. Winteregg is challenging John Boehner in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.
3. A man named Dave Brat is challenging Eric Cantor in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.
4. Flood John Boehner's Twitter with protestation.
5. Flood your own Congressman's Twitter with protestation.
They need to know that anyone who supports this--ANYONE--will not have support this November.
It's time we get organized about this.
Posted by: Mr Estrada at January 30, 2014 03:34 PM (FvBWN)
Posted by: retired military at January 30, 2014 04:38 PM (8xtZc)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 30, 2014 05:00 PM (5xmd7)
Posted by: Goerge at January 30, 2014 05:16 PM (rdFOT)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 30, 2014 05:20 PM (g1DWB)
1: Write and call your Congressman ASAP to tell them you will not be voting for anyone who supports ANY "immigration reform."
2: A man named J.D. Winteregg is challenging John Boehner in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.
3. A man named Dave Brat is challenging Eric Cantor in the primary. Give him a donation, follow him on Twitter, and like him on Facebook.
4. Flood John Boehner's Twitter with protestation.
5. Flood your own Congressman's Twitter with protestation.
They need to know that anyone who supports this--ANYONE--will not have support this November.
It's time we get organized about this.
Posted by: Mr Estrada at January 30, 2014 05:21 PM (FvBWN)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 07:09 PM (6rG0z)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 07:21 PM (6rG0z)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 07:36 PM (6rG0z)
There is one little tiny favor I want to ask all of y'all, though. Since you are "leaving" the GOP, is it too much to ask you to kindly BUTT THE HELL OUT of our Party primaries and policy discussions? I mean, I'm sure you'll be plenty busy working on your new party, won't you?
If you are serious enough about "LEAVING THE GOP" to whine incessantly about it and to allow Democrats even more victories and power, shouldn't you be "leaving" in a way we will notice besides your usual betrayal of staying home when you don't get your way?
How can we ever miss you when you just will not go away?
Posted by: Adjoran at January 30, 2014 07:44 PM (473jB)
Posted by: Tony Montana at January 30, 2014 09:19 PM (Hit9r)
For steveegg, the relevant part of the constitution dealing with Article V:
Article. V. The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress;
Posted by: NWConservative at January 30, 2014 07:10 PM (buZ/
Read the parts I bolded carefully. It is Congress who would call the national convention, not the states. Therefore, it is Congress who would decide how said convention is formed, not the states.
I'm sure most states are like Wisconsin, with absolutely no mechanism for creating a ratifying convention. In that vacuum, Congress would step in and define how the ratifying conventions are set up as part of demanding their use to ensure a successful and unanimous "ratification".
The time to have implemented an Article V Convention was between 2003 and 2006, before the proto-Communists took control of Congress. Then we would have had a 50/50 shot of not getting fucked with a lit stick of dynamite. Now, with the proto-Communists ruining the Senate and the wanna-be's ruining the House, it's a choice between getting a lit stick of dynamite and getting a white phosphorous grenade with the pin pulled.
If it sounds like I'm saying it's too late for political salvation, I guess I am.
Posted by: steveegg at January 30, 2014 10:09 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 30, 2014 11:41 PM (IEIYC)
translated - "I'm smarter than you because I blindly support the GOP".
I love such intelligent, well thought out arguments for why the GOP is doing the right thing.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 04:32 AM (sOx93)
I wish you would use your platform to encourage other conservatives to sit out the 2014 elections.
The only way to change the behavior of the GOP is to get its attention. The only way to get its attention is to withhold our votes. (a primary here and there simply does not work - we have tried it for 30 years and the tactic has not moved the GOP to the right in the GOP's actions. Granted, the GOP's rhetoric has moved to the right, but its actions have decidedly not moved to the right and actions are all that is important).
think of it like a company selling a product. If the product's sales drop suddenly by 10% or so, the company is going to notice and try and figure out why.
In this case, the GOP is selling a product. It takes its base consumers - those who regularly buy their product (with votes), for granted. It assumes that those consumers will continue to buy its product no matter what.
So, in order to try and expand the sale of its product, it is changing the product dramatically to suit other tastes. As long as the base consumer keeps buying the product, there is no downside to doing this and lots of potential upside (new consumers).
But, if the company instead loses market share by doing this (i.e., loses a large percentage of its consumer base), it will realize that the strategy of radically changing the product is not good.
Here, the analogy is not perfect because the GOP never actually provided the product marketed to us - it never has acted conservative. But, it is now edging even further and further left in the hopes of attracting new consumers - in the belief that its present consumers (we conservatives) will not care.
If we vote GOP in 2014 - we prove this theory correct and the GOP will move even further left.
But, for a boycott/strike by conservative to work - we need champions with large audiences to sell the strategy and get people on board.
Yes, if we do this, the GOP probably won't win the Senate and may lose the house in 2014. But, what is worse in the long term - not winning this election cycle or the GOP moving even further to the left than it already is?
Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 04:41 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: Tony Montana at January 31, 2014 01:19 AM (Hit9r)
See my post at Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 08:41 AM (sOx93)
This is exactly why we need to prove them wrong. What "mortal sin" will the GOP do next believing that we will vote for them no matter what? Every cycle it is something else - raising spending, increasing gov't, amnesty.
And, Boehner, McConnell and most of the GOP establishment has made it pretty clear that it will not repeal Obamacare, only "fix" it. Which means that the next mortal sin will be not only embracing Obmacare, but giving Obamacare the veneer of a bi-partisan program, meaning we won't even be able to run against Obamacare when it fails miserably because the GOP will have bought into Obamacare.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 04:46 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (5xmd7)
What I am proposing is a last-ditch effort to salvage the GOP. If that doesn't work, then sure - we should try and form a new party. the problem with trying to start a new party is it is a LOT more than a few thousand people.
If we could get most of the big conservative blogs on board with starting a new party, and maybe a bunch of the conservative talk-show hosts (Hannity, Rush, etc.), we could probably pull it off.
but, even at conservative sites like this, most of the people still support the GOP no matter what it does. And these are the high-information, politically active conservatives. Getting all of the much less informed, much less active people who vote GOP, donate $ to the GOP, etc. on board with a 3rd party is a decades long endeavor.
So, while I'm not against doing so, I say we try to salvage the GOP if we can. Problem is, conservatives won't do it. They'll keep voting GOP no matter what the GOP does "because we can't let the dems win". It is not rational - it is purely tribal. They don't see allowing the GOP to lose an election as a tactical move to force the GOP rightward - they only see things in terms of which letter wins an election.
The GOP can pass amnesty, raise spending, sign on to Obamacare, and do all kinds of anti-conservative things, and conservatives will just smile and take it.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 31, 2014 08:07 AM (sOx93)
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