February 11, 2014

GOP Congressfolk Describe Obamacare Plans
— Gabriel Malor

Two general proposals were made this week by Republicans in Washington, D.C. for fixing the mess President Obama and the Democrats made of healthcare in this country.

The first up is Sen. Ron Johnson's plan for what we can do while Obama is still in office:

Sen. Ron Johnson presented an extensive PowerPoint proposal to "repair the damage" of Obamacare. Johnson had once hoped to repeal the law but conceded that now, after its implementation, "you don't just wave a wand and repeal it and it goes away." So he is collecting ideas for a bill he hopes would instead remove some of the most problematic parts of Obamacare. Johnson stressed that his proposal, in whatever final form it takes, will not be a systematic replacement but rather a set of individual fixes that could offer relief to some of the Americans most burdened by Obamacare.

Among the ideas he's considering are doing away with the individual and employer mandates, creating a "true grandfather clause" to let people keep their insurance if they like it, allowing any state that chooses to simply opt out, ending the bailouts for the insurance companies and ending the tax penalty for people who buy insurance on the individual market, allowing the sale of insurance across state lines, and creating high-risk pools to insure people with preexisting conditions.

Johson's plan is pretty straightforward. Obamacare is deeply unpopular, but Obama isn't going to allow its repeal while he is in office. So the GOP should press its advantage by offering small, popular ideas to replace the worst parts of Obamacare. In particular, many Democrats are running on the claim that they want to "fix" Obamacare. The idea is to make them put up or shut up.

Johnson acknowledges that this is just the limit of what can be done so long as Obama refuses to budge. Johnson notes that other parts of Obamacare will have to be transitioned out of existence (he names the subsidies) after the President is gone.

That's on the Senate side. On the House side, conservative Reps. Tom Price and Mike Roe outlined their plan to replace Obamacare.

And physician Reps. Tom Price (R-Ga.) and Phil Roe (R-Tenn.) promoted their ideas for tackling a long-running conservative priority: replacing President Obama’s healthcare law with a system that allows people to buy health insurance across state lines and take it from job to job, that reduces “defensive medicine” through tort reform, and that expands health savings accounts.

Price acknowledges, however, that this isn't happening until after Obama is gone:

But Price cautioned the new system he envisioned was, practically speaking, years away.

Obama, he said, is “not going to sign a bill to repeal his signature legislation.”

“What will happen, I believe firmly, is that in three to five years, we won’t be living under this law,” Price added.

I'd love to see the Democrats forced into some hard votes on this craptastic law.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 08:30 AM | Comments (272)
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1 Harry Reid has been the best friend to this regime. Ron Johnson is going to need to go to the press and hard for his idea to ever get any light.

Posted by: AMDG at February 11, 2014 08:32 AM (t7OO0)

2 I believe firmly, is that in three to five years, we won’t be living...,”

Fixed it for him.

Posted by: navybrat at February 11, 2014 08:33 AM (AW7Gr)

3 Also, good on the portability. That not only repeals part of 404care, but even makes things freer and better than it was before.

Posted by: AMDG at February 11, 2014 08:33 AM (t7OO0)

4 The way things are going, we'll soon be reduced to leeches and bleedings.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 11, 2014 08:33 AM (38LLM)

5 America, America, God shed his grace on thee.....

ratatatatatatatatatatatat

Posted by: grognard at February 11, 2014 08:34 AM (/29Nl)

6 Wait, why are we fixing their mess again? Repubs didn't want it, not a single one of them voted for it, it's hurting the Dems. Yeah, let's "fix" that right away, says The Stupid Party.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 08:34 AM (7ObY1)

7 This is a marvelous opportunity to present free-market policies as the reasonable and attractive alternative to a heavy-handed government presence in health-care.

It will be the true measure of the Republican party how they manage this.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:34 AM (QFxY5)

8 If one of these proposals calls for beating Nancy Pelosi with a giant gavel, then I'm all for it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2014 08:34 AM (8ZskC)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:35 AM (PYAXX)

10 Wah wah Republicans offering no viable alternatives wah wah wah

Posted by: Sound of one left hand fapping at February 11, 2014 08:35 AM (TjI1n)

11 It's all too iffy...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 11, 2014 08:36 AM (IXrOn)

12 Wait, why are we fixing their mess again?
Repubs didn't want it, not a single one of them voted for it, it's hurting the Dems.
Yeah, let's "fix" that right away, says The Stupid Party.

Methinks it has less to do with actually "fixing" it than forcing the Dems to vote for NOT fixing it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 08:36 AM (SY2Kh)

13 Among the ideas he's considering are doing away with the individual and employer mandates, creating a "true grandfather clause" to let people keep their insurance if they like it, allowing any state that chooses to simply opt out, ending the bailouts for the insurance companies and ending the tax penalty for people who buy insurance on the individual market, allowing the sale of insurance across state lines, and creating high-risk pools to insure people with preexisting conditions. How is that less disruptive than repeal? Note that I am not against this plan nor do I care to listen to everyone say everything they always say about repeal, I am addressing Johnson's own statement that you can't just wave a wand and make it go away. If the goal is to be less disruptive, I don't see how this avoids that. Not only would general counsel for insurance companies be injecting heroin into their eyeball during a board meeting, so would insurance commissioners during public hearings to determine how the hell to put back into place the grandfathered polices, not to mention the prior networks. Which isn't to say I'm against this, because I'm not, I'm just saying that it is as disruptive as full repeal.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 08:36 AM (VtjlW)

14 It's Phile Roe, not Mike Roe (but Mike Rowe is teh awesome).

Posted by: Lizzy at February 11, 2014 08:36 AM (POpqt)

15 So the GOP should press its advantage by offering small, popular ideas to replace the worst parts of Obamacare. Oh, yes. Let's accept the premise that the Federal Government has any say in my health care or health insurance. That's a great idea. No way that could *possibly* backfire. What you get for continuing to argue for full repeal is- once there is a President other than TFG, you might actually get a repeal. Once you accept the premise that this is not a wholly unconstitutional power-grab, you may as well implement single payer yourself- because that's what *will* come.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:37 AM (PYAXX)

16 Yeah, let's "fix" that right away, says The Stupid Party. Posted by: BlueStateRebel --------------------- The Handmaidens of incrementalism.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 11, 2014 08:37 AM (aDwsi)

17 What happened to ace on Twitter? I can't find him.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 11, 2014 08:37 AM (38LLM)

18 Fuck you, Ron Johnson.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 08:37 AM (zF6Iw)

19 Methinks it has less to do with actually "fixing" it than forcing the Dems to vote for NOT fixing it. Oh. eleventy-dimension chess again. Right.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:37 AM (PYAXX)

20 Democrats?  Hard votes?

Never happen.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 11, 2014 08:38 AM (fwARV)

21 What about the vending machine rules?

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2014 08:38 AM (IS2o0)

22 7 This is a marvelous opportunity to present free-market policies as the reasonable and attractive alternative to a heavy-handed government presence in health-care. It will be the true measure of the Republican party how they manage this. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 12:34 PM (QFxY5) Why does 'they'll F*ck it up' immediately pop into my head?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 08:38 AM (bCEmE)

23 Once any major bill is passed it is almost impossible top "Unpass" it. Which is why comprehensive immigration reform is such a bad idea. obamacare is has deeply crippled health care in this Country for decades to come

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 08:38 AM (t3UFN)

24 We have to do something! If we don't we'll look petty and lose voters.

Posted by: RINO Overlords at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (Aif/5)

25 If you can't repeal it, you don't propose to fucking "fix" it for him.  You make God damn well that bastard, and everyone who voted for him, has to live with it.  Then, you make sure that all of those people know why.  Over and over and over.

These people are imbeciles.

Posted by: grognard at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (/29Nl)

26 No matter how smart and good the ideas are, even if they are ideas the Democrats would ordinarily support, they will oppose any coming from Republicans, no matter what. These ideas have zero chance of going anywhere.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (zfY+H)

27 I like it.  It looks like a repeal without using the word repeal.

Posted by: Dang at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (MNq6o)

28 Why does 'they'll F*ck it up' immediately pop into my head? Average (or better) pattern recognition?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (PYAXX)

29 so.

it's if you don't Like your law you get to keep it with a few tweaks?

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (nqBYe)

30 Which isn't to say I'm against this, because I'm not, I'm just saying that it is as disruptive as full repeal. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:36 PM (VtjlW) I believe the wand-waving referred more to there's only so much to be done while O is still in office, rather than about disruption. At this point, we kind of want disruption, don't we?

Posted by: AMDG at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (t7OO0)

31 I think Ace is basically using Gabe to get us to accept the fag agenda. I mean, why else would a "conservative" employ a homosexual as one his main people, when they are only 2% of the population? You really just had to pick the one guy who was a homosexual? There was really nobody else? This is not an attack on Gabe. I have nothing against him. But what is basically being done is that we are being desensitized against the homosexual agenda. Attacks on homosexuality will have to be prohibited here under the pretext of not hurting Gabe's feelings.

Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (LmD/o)

32 Why does 'they'll F*ck it up' immediately pop into my head?

Posted by: Tami at February 11, 2014 12:38 PM (bCEmE)

Functioning synapses?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:39 AM (QFxY5)

33 It will be the true measure of the Republican party how they manage this.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 12:34 PM (QFxY5)


I don't think you really want to know the full measure of the Republican establishment, unless you have a really well-stocked bar!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (o3MSL)

34 I'd love to see the Democrats forced into some hard votes on this craptastic law public pillories on the Mall in DC.

FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (MPIX5)

35 And further, every option given by Republicans will be portrayed as heartless, cruel, and harming the poor, the minorities, and women by the press.
Tearful children and widows will be interviewed about how the very idea of these changes caused someone to die of cancer and starve.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (zfY+H)

36 But what is basically being done is that we are being desensitized against the homosexual agenda. Attacks on homosexuality will have to be prohibited here under the pretext of not hurting Gabe's feelings.

Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (LmD/o)


Holy shit, you're a fucking idiot.

Posted by: grognard at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (/29Nl)

37 Johnson stressed that his proposal, in whatever final form it takes, will not be a systematic replacement but rather a set of individual fixes that could offer relief to some of the Americans most burdened by Obamacare. I detect the distinct smell of bullshit in the air.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (659DL)

38 Let's accept the premise that the Federal Government has any say in my health care or health insurance.

That premise got accepted in 1964.  1965?  Decades before your parents even thought about you, at any rate.

Posted by: HR at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (ZKzrr)

39 Daily reminder. All trolls are Average Joe.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (PYAXX)

40 In three to five years, we won't be living at all.

Posted by: Null at February 11, 2014 08:40 AM (esMvf)

41 Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (LmD/o)


Fuck off.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (8ZskC)

42 Wait a minute...  who's to say Obama would enforce this shit if it did become law?

Posted by: Dang at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (MNq6o)

43 I like it. It looks like a repeal without using the word repeal. Posted by: Dang at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (MNq6o) Look. If you want to take my tl;dr and make it pithy, you just do that, okay? I'll be over there, not pouting and glaring and plotting revenge. SOON.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (VtjlW)

44 Posted by: Dang at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (MNq6o) Ditto.

Posted by: AMDG at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (t7OO0)

45 What we really need is a health insurance market that is limited to EMERGENCY healthcare costs and that encourages people to spend out of pocket for stuff that costs less than a flat screen TV.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (IS2o0)

46 I don't think you really want to know the full measure of the Republican establishment, unless you have a really well-stocked bar!  Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 12:40 PM (o3MSL)

::: looks up from inventory sheet :::

Check!

Still don't want to know.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (MPIX5)

47 One of the only smart things I have done in the last 10 years is join the Navy and get me some Tricare Health. I don't know what I would do without Tricare. It might have bankrupted me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (t3UFN)

48 "Holy shit, you're a fucking idiot."
No, he's just really bad at satire.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (zfY+H)

49 Clean up on aisle 31, please.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 08:41 AM (zF6Iw)

50 Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (LmD/o)

I disagree with Gabe about many (most) things.

Especially about you, because my bet is that he will ignore you because you are such an asshole.

But I'm not going to ignore you, I am going to call you what you are...an ignorant douchebag troll.

And....fuck you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:42 AM (QFxY5)

51 I'll be over there, not pouting and glaring and plotting revenge.  SOON.  Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:41 PM (VtjlW)

::: slides AtC her afternoon Xanax :::

Tea?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:42 AM (MPIX5)

52 ObamaCare (ACA) is unworkable, unconstitutional and a tyranny of incompetence as presently written. But is is "the law of the land". As long as the Weasel in Chief, our Prezzident Obama, makes weekly decrees vacating his own "signature legislation", the rule of law is just a phrase for High School civics. It is non-operative. You can't replace something with nothing. Any clear proposals put in front of the public, even if they fail to pass or are vetoed, makes the public actually look at this trainwreck. And it gets the Democrat gangsters going on record of what they actually think. They are going to have to take a stand somewhere, even if Obama creates new fiat law to dodge the inevitable. If the Republicans do "nothing", then Obama will continue to use his pen and phone and a supine Media (or a fellating media) to just as he will, and a lot of people will never know the difference.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 11, 2014 08:42 AM (RFeQD)

53 Oh. eleventy-dimension chess again.

Right.

No, more like two dimensional checkers.  Bringing up a vote for the purpose of putting your opponents on record is Congressional Politics 101.

Surely this commonplace practice is not too difficult for you to understand.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 08:42 AM (SY2Kh)

54 Further, if these bills somehow pass, President Obama will just ignore them and do what he wants anyway. Congress seems to be under the delusion that they have any purpose in the present government.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:42 AM (zfY+H)

55 Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (LmD/o) wrong thread. wait for the men's figure skating thread

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 08:43 AM (t3UFN)

56

>>"Sen. Ron Johnson presented an extensive PowerPoint proposal to "repair the damage" of Obamacare. "

 

 

Fuck that. Take the pain and make people feel it, go to the polls in 2014 and 2016 and aim for full repeal and replacement of a market- and patient-centered reform.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 11, 2014 08:43 AM (s/yC1)

57 So, I see John "Obama's Bitch" Boehner just caved on the debt-ceiling bill. I. Am. Shocked.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 08:43 AM (7ObY1)

58 Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 12:41 PM (MPIX5)

Can I put you on my short list of associates for when the burning times begin?

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 08:43 AM (o3MSL)

59 I mean, why else would a "conservative" employ a homosexual as one his main people, when they are only 2% of the population? You really just had to pick the one guy who was a homosexual? There was really nobody else? Employ is too strong a word. ace lets talented people post here. Gabe's views get strong criticism here, but he is a talented writer and his thoughts are worth reading.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 11, 2014 08:43 AM (J79eW)

60 54 Further, if these bills somehow pass, President Obama will just ignore them and do what he wants anyway. Congress seems to be under the delusion that they have any purpose in the present government. Congress=Politburo It's Obama's Transformed America.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 08:44 AM (7ObY1)

61

If you can't repeal it, you don't propose to fucking "fix" it for him. You make God damn well that bastard, and everyone who voted for him, has to live with it. Then, you make sure that all of those people know why. Over and over and over.

 

This.  THIS x 1000.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 08:44 AM (zF6Iw)

62 Ideally, instead of banning trolls we'd make their post invisible to everyone but themselves. Then they'd be hyper-annoyed that everyone was ignoring them.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2014 08:44 AM (IS2o0)

63 But I'm not going to ignore you, I am going to call you what you are...an ignorant douchebag troll.

And....fuck you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 12:42 PM (QFxY5)


Pretty much sums it up.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 11, 2014 08:44 AM (BZAd3)

64 This is not an attack on Gabe. I have nothing against him.  Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (LmD/o)

After personally attacking Gabe, you have nothing against him.  Got it.

I feel sorry for your inability to understand the English language. Or logic either, for that matter.

But mostly I feel bad about your brain damage.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:45 AM (MPIX5)

65 62 Ideally, instead of banning trolls we'd make their post invisible to everyone but themselves. Then they'd be hyper-annoyed that everyone was ignoring them. Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2014 12:44 PM (IS2o0) We can even get italics without jumping through hoops.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 08:45 AM (bCEmE)

66 That premise got accepted in 1964. 1965? Decades before your parents even thought about you, at any rate. I disagree. Medicare is, while an "entitlement" not actually a requirement. Oh, it's nigh impossible to find actual private insurance if you're over 65 now, but not actually impossible. Medicaid is specifically a State program (albeit, one forced on the States by the Federal government). COBRA and HIPAA are more problematic- but even they aren't actually about the specifics of your coverage or care. Until 404Care, there was still a demarcation (however thin) between the Federal Government and my actual health care/health insurance. That has been completely erased at this point. To try to "fix" 404Care is to accept that erasure. I do not- I reject it fully.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:45 AM (PYAXX)

67 Further, if these bills somehow pass, President Obama will just ignore them and do what he wants anyway. By jove, someone understands the real problem...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 11, 2014 08:45 AM (naUcP)

68 ::: slides AtC her afternoon Xanax ::: Tea? Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 12:42 PM (MPIX5) Yes, please. Also, release the full Ravage and the Flying Manatee Brigade, s'il vous plait.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 08:45 AM (VtjlW)

69 can = can't Of course it does.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 08:45 AM (bCEmE)

70 Ideally, instead of banning trolls we'd make their post invisible to everyone but themselves. Then they'd be hyper-annoyed that everyone was ignoring them. Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2014 12:44 PM (IS2o0)

I am still a huge fan of replacing their droolings with, "Hodor!"

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:46 AM (MPIX5)

71 Everybody seems to think that post was serious, its not. I think its a really poor attempt at satire.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:46 AM (zfY+H)

72

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2014 12:43 PM (7ObY1)



Official GOP Congressional Handbook (Excerpted from Original Version)*



Page 3: Always reach out to your bipartisan friends across the aisle and in the White House but punish your base whenever possible.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 08:46 AM (o3MSL)

73 But mostly I feel bad about your brain damage.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 12:45 PM (MPIX5)

I am not sure that you are correct.

I think his brain is functioning exactly how it should.

It's just really small and underpowered.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:46 AM (QFxY5)

74

Everybody seems to think that post was serious, its not. I think its a really poor attempt at satire.

 

These days, who can tell the difference?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 08:47 AM (zF6Iw)

75 You can't replace something with nothing. I do it all the time when I'm writing programs. var thinger = 5; thinger = null; *BOOM* something replaced with nothing.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 11, 2014 08:47 AM (J79eW)

76 Posted by: Realist at February 11, 2014 12:39 PM (LmD/o)

Feel free to continue making social conservatives look like boorish assholes. Just do it somewhere else, douchebag.

You are a bad person. Gabe is not a bad person. That matters to most of us far more than who either of you prefer to sleep with.  If your sister consented, it's no business of mine.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (SY2Kh)

77 As long as Obama is in office, he can continue to define ObamaCare and any other law any way he wants.  Even if Congress repealed ObamaCare in its entirety, Obama could ignore the repeal and continue the enforcement of ObamaCare by executive fiat using the same rationale he's using now, "I'm President, and I can do anything I want."

Posted by: OCBill at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (rFipM)

78 Where's MWR? I need to rest my head upon her shoulder. I went out for lunch. Boss had anti-skid stuff dumped on the steps and sidewalk in anticipation of Snowmageddon tomorrow. Guess what I did? Just. Guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (VtjlW)

79 Everybody seems to think that post was serious, its not. I think its a really poor attempt at satire.  Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 12:46 PM (zfY+H)

Well if that's satire, then it's still posted by someone who's brain damaged.

So the critique stands.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (MPIX5)

80 Gabe's views get strong criticism here, but he is a talented writer and his thoughts are worth reading.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2014 12:43 PM (J79eW)


Much as I generally disagree with Gabe ^^ THIS ^^!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (o3MSL)

81 Keep hearing Feeding America commercials.  20% of American kids are hungry.

I suppose this is somebody else's fault.  IYKWIMAITYD


Banana republic indeed.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (BZAd3)

82 Guess what I did? Just. Guess. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW)

A perfect arabesque??

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:48 AM (MPIX5)

83 I went out for lunch. Boss had anti-skid stuff dumped on the steps and sidewalk in anticipation of Snowmageddon tomorrow. Guess what I did? Just. Guess. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW) Oh no! Tell me you didn't spill your hate fries, did you!?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 08:49 AM (bCEmE)

84
I have nothing against Gabe.

I got 99 reasons to disagree with Gabe.

Being gay aint one of them.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 08:49 AM (nELVU)

85 >>> But I'm not going to ignore you, I am going to call you what you are...an ignorant douchebag troll. Yeah, what the Dildo said.

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2014 08:49 AM (Ua6T/)

86 The GOP does not want to and will not repeal obamacare. If they claim the senate all They will say is we need the white house to do anything. Its one sorry excuse after another for their impotence. At this point the only thing that is acceptable is full implememtation as written. They should be offering up bills to do away with their own exemptions and all of the other exemptions doled out by this corrupt administration.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 11, 2014 08:49 AM (UjSt7)

87 Surely this commonplace practice is not too difficult for you to understand. Show me where a) it's been done in the last 5 years and b) where it has even moved the needle. And, for the record, what happens if your opponent decides "hey, they're right- I can vote for this (knowing full well it will never go into effect) and then shore up my anti-Obama cred! Score!"? If the "politically difficult vote" (snicker) is Politics 101, then the "vote for something you don't believe because it's a safe vote" is part of the prep-work to be able to *take* Politics 101. Even assuming you're right (you're not) about the VAG's motives, it's a losing strategy.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:49 AM (PYAXX)

88 "Among the ideas he's considering are doing away with the individual and employer mandates"

1. Repeal all the mandates.
2. Allow purchase of health insurance across state lines.
3. Rollback the massive medicaid expansion.
4. Tort reform.

Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 11, 2014 08:50 AM (oNqbW)

89 Yeah, what the Dildo said.  Posted by: fluffy

Only on AoSHQ will you find such a sentence.

Damn, I love you people.

Group hug!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:50 AM (MPIX5)

90 I went out for lunch. Boss had anti-skid stuff dumped on the steps and sidewalk in anticipation of Snowmageddon tomorrow.


Guess what I did? Just. Guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW)

 

The luge?

Posted by: Heralder at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (/Mxso)

91 >>Everybody seems to think that post was serious, its not. I think its a really poor attempt at satire. Maybe. But some douchebag calling himself Realist was in here the other day and every other word out of his mouth was f*g or f*gg*t. What are the odds that two mouth breathers show up here in a couple days to entertain us with the same sarcasm?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (g1DWB)

92 I guess whatsisname is okay with the lesbian agenda, though.

Posted by: --- at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (MMC8r)

93 Guess what I did? Just. Guess. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW) Used the stool to get up the first step

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (fWAjv)

94 Single-Payer For Lawyers. Maybe Then They Will Understand.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (T0NGe)

95 watch out ,Gabe just might throw some fabulous stuff up in here.

sigh.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (nqBYe)

96 Medicaid is specifically a State program (albeit, one forced on the States by the Federal government). COBRA and HIPAA are more problematic- but even they aren't actually about the specifics of your coverage or care. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) When ACA was passed, Lieberman made them take out the "Public Option". Medicaid will now be the default "public option" for people without a plan. This has to shouted out loud and clear, and people have to realize the actual results of being forced onto Medicaid. This will be "more pain" for the voting public. This again, was the craptastic thinking behind ACA from almost the beginning. Which is why the government was forcing the Medicaid expansion on the states.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at February 11, 2014 08:51 AM (RFeQD)

97 I WAS HACKED!

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 08:52 AM (fWAjv)

98 Hard votes only if the press does its job, which it doesn't.

Posted by: irright at February 11, 2014 08:52 AM (8GKDa)

99 Guess what I did? Just. Guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW) 

You do know it's damn near impossible to skid on non-skid, right?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 11, 2014 08:52 AM (fwARV)

100 Trying to figure out how my employer (and I) pays $20k, based on my W2, for my health insurance when it's steaming pile of dog shit. Shopping around I could get way better coverage for 2/3 that cost on the private market.  It is a mystery.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at February 11, 2014 08:52 AM (ZWvOb)

101 A perfect arabesque?? Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (MPIX5) Sure. For certain definitions thereof. Tami, no, the hate fries were fine. I mean, if the choice is dumping the fries and saving the remnants of my dignity or toppling over and saving the fries, well, I have my priorities in the proper place. *checks fag agenda* Next up, finish this stupid thing I'm working on. brb getting moar pink sparkly pens.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 08:52 AM (VtjlW)

102 Posted by: Kreplach at February 11, 2014 12:49 PM (UjSt7)


My consistent advice to all teh  winning clients of my consulting group is that teh GOP establsihment needs full control of  the House, Senate, and White House for at least ten years before we make any bold moves.  For any condition short of that, there is no hill to die on because we might alienate the illegal alien vote!

Posted by: Karl Rover at February 11, 2014 08:53 AM (o3MSL)

103 Guess what I did? Just. Guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW)

bought some sparkly thingy?

and tea.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 08:53 AM (nqBYe)

104 Guess what I did? Just. Guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW)


I'm going to guess that you either have, or left, skid marks.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 11, 2014 08:53 AM (L8r/r)

105 ack i kn ew it!

but i was late.  so it was sparkly pens .

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 08:53 AM (nqBYe)

106 Oh no! Tell me you didn't spill your hate fries, did you!? Posted by: Tami

LOL

Posted by: mrp at February 11, 2014 08:54 AM (JBggj)

107 I'd love to see the Democrats forced into some hard votes on this craptastic law.

This is the real point.

Vote for change and be branded a sellout by the Dems and lose your reelection funding.

Vote against change and be pilloried by your constituents and maybe lose your reelection.

Schadenfreude!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:54 AM (QFxY5)

108 >>> Group hug!!!! C'mere, Kernel Panic, ya big lug!

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2014 08:54 AM (Ua6T/)

109
She has a sparkly pen, and I'll bet, a sparkly phone.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 08:54 AM (nELVU)

110 Group hug!!!!

watch those hands.

Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 08:55 AM (nqBYe)

111 *checks fag agenda*   Next up, finish this stupid thing I'm working on. brb getting moar pink sparkly pens.  Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:52 PM (VtjlW)

Well, then that's not advancing the fag agenda, is it?  That's advancing the Hello Kitty agenda.

Now....if you were advancing the fag agenda you'd be looking for moar mauve or chartreuse sparkly pens.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:55 AM (MPIX5)

112 Gabe - what are your thoughts on the ad hoc / discriminatory application of the law? Could that be grounds for throwing it out?

Posted by: gm at February 11, 2014 08:55 AM (K0tm3)

113 Tami, no, the hate fries were fine. I mean, if the choice is dumping the fries and saving the remnants of my dignity or toppling over and saving the fries, well, I have my priorities in the proper place. Atta girl!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 08:55 AM (bCEmE)

114 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 12:54 PM (QFxY5) In a perfect world yes. But remember, it's the GOP.

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 08:56 AM (fWAjv)

115 watch those hands.  Posted by: willow at February 11, 2014 12:55 PM (nqBYe)

Do you have to ruin all the fun?

C'mon.  You might like it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:56 AM (MPIX5)

116 Hey, what do you have to do around here to get a steward to drop a hunk of filet onto your plate?

Posted by: Bo The Dog at February 11, 2014 08:56 AM (8ZskC)

117
If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos hug me, and I'll kill you.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 08:56 AM (nELVU)

118 Whatever. My investment in a hospital ships just off the coast in internvational waters is going to pay big dividends. Buckeye-care. A short helicopter flight for complete and competent care with top notch doctors and post-surgeory examination. Cash only.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at February 11, 2014 08:56 AM (eApcZ)

119 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 12:54 PM (QFxY5) 1) Harry Reid controls the calendar. 2) Democrats are positively famous for allowing members of the Tribe to vote "the wrong way" when those votes won't matter. The Dems in danger will vote for whatever changes are offered (assuming it ever even came to the floor). Then the Democrat national party will still fund them while they get to go home and talk about how "I love me some Federal Health care, but we can't pretend that ObamaCare doesn't have its problems..."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 08:57 AM (PYAXX)

120 I agree with this tactic in both houses. Let It Burn is fine (and I agreed with what Cruz did btw), but now It has Burned. Let the Dems be the party-of-no this year.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 11, 2014 08:57 AM (m5+rk)

121 You do know it's damn near impossible to skid on non-skid, right? Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 11, 2014 12:52 PM (fwARV) My mad skillz. Fear them. It was a perfect storm of alternate competence. My ankle rolled when I took a step down and the side of my foot caught on a pile of the stuff that was just high enough to unbalance me and given the particulars of weight distribution on my frame, over I toppled. So, to be fair, I didn't exactly skid. So I have that going for me.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 08:57 AM (VtjlW)

122 Show me where a) it's been done in the last 5 years and b) where it has even moved the needle.

For starters, the 40-odd votes in the House to repeal Obamacare.  Not a one of them was ever expected to pass.

Is it effective?  They've been employing this tactic for as long as I can remember, and likely before that too.

You've seen the resulting campaign ads.  You can't not have seen them.  Soon, you will see more of them.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 08:57 AM (SY2Kh)

123 *cough*

Posted by: Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution at February 11, 2014 08:57 AM (x3YFz)

124 One thing is clear here: This ceding vast regulatory authority to bueraucrats and the executive because of some vague 'will of Congress' puffery has to end.

Posted by: --- at February 11, 2014 08:58 AM (MMC8r)

125 Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 12:56 PM (fWAjv)

Oh, I fully expect them to screw it up. However they will have to exert real energy, because this is such an easy attack on the Dems. It will take some imaginative caving.

But...a fellow can dream.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:58 AM (QFxY5)

126 If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos hug me, and I'll kill you.
 

Lighten up, Francis

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 08:58 AM (MPIX5)

127 "Keep hearing Feeding America commercials. 20% of American kids are hungry."
From my memory as a kid, I was 100% hungry all the time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:58 AM (zfY+H)

128 "...alternate competence."

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:57 PM (VtjlW)

I am in awe of the delicate turns of phrases around here, and this is a great one.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 08:59 AM (QFxY5)

129 Gee most of these vimen figure skaters have such fine as...ugh I mean technique, yeah technique, that's what I mean

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 08:59 AM (t3UFN)

130 The GOP only does this stuff and claims to oppose Democrats to give them materials for campaign commercials. All they care about is power.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 08:59 AM (zfY+H)

131 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 12:58 PM (zfY+H)

Well, there was the five minutes after every meal during which it wasn't front-and-center, but yeah.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 09:00 AM (QFxY5)

132 You've seen the resulting campaign ads. You can't not have seen them. Soon, you will see more of them. On that- I'm in Texas where the Republican Primary tends to be the "real" election. So, no. As for it being effective... I have yet to see any evidence of it. Missouri elected a known fraud (as in: actual fraud) because of one (admittedly, indescribably bad) errant comment. The Republicans have shown me no evidence that they have the will or the wherewithal to capitalize on such things. And, as I said about Ted Cruz when complaining that he was "another lawyer," I'd love to be wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 09:00 AM (PYAXX)

133 It was a perfect storm of alternate competence.

This is my new favorite phrase.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 11, 2014 09:00 AM (B/VB5)

134 you don't just wave a wand and repeal it and it goes away. Only I can do that!

Posted by: Barky McDouche at February 11, 2014 09:00 AM (FcR7P)

135 I heard 'Law of the Land' 1000 times while attacking Cruz's attempt at delaying it. Now stop fucking trying to change it. Hold the President to his law, and impeach if he deviates. Law of the Land, remember?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 11, 2014 09:00 AM (9Bdcz)

136 How do you weigh 300 lbs and become a figure skating coach?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 09:01 AM (bCEmE)

137 Couple figure skating standings: Russia and Germany fighting it out? I think I saw this movie

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 09:01 AM (t3UFN)

138 I'm going to ask the same question as Dr. Spank upthread.  Where's Ace?  Did I miss the reveal or is this some super secret that only the premium AoSHQ members know.  I'm not saying this out of jest.  I'm serious, you guys.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2014 09:01 AM (kPiYr)

139 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 12:59 PM (t3UFN)

Went out with an ice dancer in high school.

She had a perfect...technique.

And then she went to Hamilton!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 09:01 AM (QFxY5)

140 How do you weigh 300 lbs and become a figure skating coach? Posted by: Tami at February 11, 2014 01:01 PM (bCEmE) "Comrade, if you don't lift her correctly this time, next time you'll be lifting me."

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 09:02 AM (t3UFN)

141 "And then she went to Hamilton!"
Scott Hamilton? I thought he was alternately sexualized.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:02 AM (zfY+H)

142 Repeal is the fix. If the goal is to have people insured, to have care improved, and to have costs lowered, you don't continue with Obamacare.

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2014 09:02 AM (FcR7P)

143 How do you weigh 300 lbs and become a figure skating coach? Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Or, perhaps more likely- they were rather more in shape in their youth (Olympic athletes rather famously eat for an army), and never got out of the eating habits while simultaneously not keeping up the exercise regimen.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 09:03 AM (PYAXX)

144 Well, then that's not advancing the fag agenda, is it? That's advancing the Hello Kitty agenda. Now....if you were advancing the fag agenda you'd be looking for moar mauve or chartreuse sparkly pens. Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 12:55 PM (MPIX5) Obligatory Hello Kitty AK-47. http://bit.ly/1bSkDFb

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 09:03 AM (VtjlW)

145 Group hug!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 12:50 PM (MPIX5)

 

Don't touch me, Bannion.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 09:03 AM (zF6Iw)

146 Obama is having a state dinner outside tonight in Washington, D. C.  After tonight France will no longer be our ally. 

Posted by: burt at February 11, 2014 09:03 AM (1+kJ5)

147 Republicans make courageous stand on debt ceiling...



Ha!  You thought I was serious.  You should have seen your face!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 11, 2014 09:03 AM (BZAd3)

148 Nevergiveup: which one? I preferred the sequel

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 11, 2014 09:04 AM (m5+rk)

149 Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2014 01:01 PM (kPiYr)

-----

Well, said said he was taking off time last week.... and psted everyday.  Said he'd be back this week.

This week?   Nadda.


Alternate competence.  Indeed.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 09:04 AM (nELVU)

150

Yay!  Here they come to save the day!  Teh  REPUBLICANS  are gonna fix it, mom.

 

See, I  told you they care.  They  really really care!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2014 09:04 AM (TOk1P)

151 Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Oh....so like AmishDude?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at February 11, 2014 09:04 AM (bCEmE)

152 "The Dems in danger will vote for whatever changes are offered (assuming it ever even came to the floor). Then the Democrat national party will still fund them while they get to go home ..."
=====
I don't think it matters much at this point.  The ACA, modified by the pen hourly, will graze where it will, devouring jobs, personal wealth, time, and lives as a matter of course.  Then comes November, 2014, followed by November, 2016.

Posted by: mrp at February 11, 2014 09:04 AM (JBggj)

153 The GOP only does this stuff and claims to oppose Democrats to give them materials for campaign commercials. All they care about is power.

If by "power" you mean "getting elected", then yes, that's pretty important to them.  Why would it not be?

People need to get over this idea that if only House Republicans were as angry as themselves, then somehow they'd use their heretofore unknown Magic Powers to DO SOMETHING and repeal Obamacare.

That they haven't performed this impossible feat can only mean they don't want it enough, right?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 09:04 AM (SY2Kh)

154 Uh.... so the Repubs are going to Fix Obamacare... uh.... WHY???? Were are the DEMOCRAT plans to Fix O'Care? Why are the Dems in Congress SILENT on this? All the Repubs need to do is say... you broke it.... YOU fix it.... But instead... they play right into the Dems plan... forcing THEM to act like they have Ownership of this mess... Party.... of Dumb....

Posted by: Romeo13, proudly wearing his Mk3 Tinfoil Hat at February 11, 2014 09:05 AM (84gbM)

155 Don't touch me, Bannion.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 01:03 PM (zF6Iw)

Be nice to Bannion. He has an M1A1 that he might be convinced to loan out.

http://tinyurl.com/me6ygtk


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 09:05 AM (QFxY5)

156 Is President Tinkerbell the only one with a wand?

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2014 09:05 AM (FcR7P)

157 Or, perhaps more likely- they were rather more in shape in their youth (Olympic athletes rather famously eat for an army), and never got out of the eating habits while simultaneously not keeping up the exercise regimen.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 01:03 PM (PYAXX)


----


Also known as the "Tonya Harding Multiplier"

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 09:05 AM (nELVU)

158 Don't touch me, Bannion. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 01:03 PM (zF6Iw) Here, MP4, I'll hug you instead. *smish* Bannion. You do know I can still tell where your hands are, yes?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (VtjlW)

159

We can even get italics without jumping through hoops.

 

 

Showoff.

Posted by: The Ampersands at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (A0sHn)

160 151 Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.


Oh....so like AmishDude?


Posted by: Tami at February 11, 2014 01:04 PM (bCEmE)

those who can't do can't teach for shit, either.

Posted by: tangonine at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (x3YFz)

161 Those who can, do.

Those who can't, teach.

Those who can't teach, teach journalism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (QFxY5)

162 "If by "power" you mean "getting elected", then yes, that's pretty important to them. Why would it not be?"
Its secondary do obeying the constitution and doing the right thing.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (zfY+H)

163 Also known as the "Tonya Harding Multiplier" *Snort.* It's also a fairly frequent occurrence among football players, I believe.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 09:06 AM (PYAXX)

164 No.  No, no, NO, NO, NO.

"Obamacare is deeply unpopular, but Obama isn't going to allow its repeal while he is in office."

He isn't going to ALLOW it?  ALLOW it?  He's not a fucking king.  Where in the blue, gay sphincter of Hell is it his place to allow it or not allow it.  If "Obamacare is deeply unpopular" - that is to say, the majority of Americans want it GONE - and (yeah, this part is a stretch) Congress exists to do the will of the people who its members allegedly represent and whose job it is to to their will, then what not repeal it? Why not vote it out of existence?

You want a viable alternative?  Here's my viable alternative.  First, somebody put their finger on wherever it is in the Constitution that empowers the Federal government to dictate, manipulate, or otherwise fornicate with the provision of medical care in this country.  Once they admit that such a piece of text doesn't exist, then repeal Obamacare once and for all.  Then, for those people who want to purchase medical coverage, or catastrophic coverage, or whatever else the insurance industry is willing to offer, let them do so, in whatever form or fashion they are willing to contract. For those who desire to not have insurance and pay for whatever medical care they need out of their own resources, recognize their freedom to do that as well.  For those who are in need of medical care but, owing to their inability or unwillingness to earn the money to either buy coverage or pay for the services themselves, this is the role of private charity, not redistribution from earners to non-earners through the auspices of the central government bureaucracy.  Americans are the most charitable people on God's green Earth; we are, in fact, the great check-grabbers of the planet.  The donating public can decide whether to support abortions for the poor and the promiscuous, immunizations for the indigent, medications for those infected with the AIDS virus for whatever reason, and the like.  There are some I would gladly donate funds to; there are some I would not.  And that's my business.

Guys, you know I RARELY flip out on this blog, but dammit, there are days when I'm about a fly's eyelash from militant resistance, and this is an issue that makes this happen.  Sorry if I'm out of line.  For any weak-kneed Congresscritters who want to say "this is not the hill to die on," let me tell you that it's not the hill to surrender on, either.  Because math is an iron-plated bitch, and what can't go on indefinitely, won't.  If Obamacare is allowed to go on existing, it will bankrupt the nation, and then there won't be anyone to write the entitlement checks, and there won't be a mechanism to write them.

Thanks for letting me vent.  We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at February 11, 2014 09:07 AM (DMtT+)

165

141 -

 

Apparently not.  He's one of those charter members in the group:  Guys You Just Assumed Were Gay, But Aren't.

 

Him and  the recently departed  Mr. Phillip Seymor  Hoffman.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 11, 2014 09:07 AM (TOk1P)

166 Obama: "The American people and their employers." Because being an employer means you're not really an American.

Posted by: Michael at February 11, 2014 09:08 AM (c5voz)

167

People need to get over this idea that if only House Republicans were as angry as themselves, then somehow they'd use their heretofore unknown Magic Powers to DO SOMETHING and repeal Obamacare.

 

Power.  Of.  The.  Purse.  Do you speak it?



That they haven't performed this impossible feat can only mean they don't want it enough, right?

 

Since they're talking about "fixing" this nickelfuckery - no, they don't want it enough.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 09:08 AM (zF6Iw)

168 I'd love to see the Democrats forced into some hard votes on this craptastic law. Pipe dream, Gabe. I mean, you're dreaming big and I like that, but it just isn't happening. Here's why: the House Dems could vote en masse for these measures, or they could abstain from a vote, and it would still pass the House. Harry Reid will never allow any of these bills to see the light of day in the Senate. Emperor TehWon has no need to abolish the Senate, the Dems there are his Grand Moffs.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at February 11, 2014 09:08 AM (1hM1d)

169 Johnson had once hoped to repeal the law but conceded that now, after its implementation, "you don't just wave a wand and repeal it and it goes away."






Doesn't King Barry just wave a wand to implement or put off any law he likes or dislikes? So why not just wand it out of existence.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2014 09:08 AM (1Jaio)

170 "He isn't going to ALLOW it? ALLOW it? He's not a fucking king. Where in the blue, gay sphincter of Hell is it his place to allow it or not allow it."
Veto pen and executive orders. Even if by some miracle the GOP got the stones to take action and by an even greater miracle the repeal passed, there isn't enough votes to overrule a veto. And even if by some act of God there were enough, President Obama would just implement it anyway.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:08 AM (zfY+H)

171 Realist, If you don't like the fact that Ace allows Gabe to post on *his own* blog, you can post elsewhere. No one is forcing you to come here and post diatribes that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand. If all you can think when you read and Obamacare post is that's the author is gay, then perhaps you should get your mind checked out. You may be a little obsessed.

Posted by: chique at February 11, 2014 09:08 AM (r+7wo)

172 My ankle rolled when I took a step down and the side of my foot caught on a pile of the stuff that was just high enough to unbalance me and given the particulars of weight distribution on my frame, over I toppled.  

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:57 PM (VtjlW)

A very elegant way of stating your rack makes you top heavy.

Posted by: Heralder at February 11, 2014 09:09 AM (/Mxso)

173 161 Those who can, do.

Those who can't, teach.

Those who can't teach, teach journalism.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 01:06 PM (QFxY5)

be nice to us conservative college lecturers that have to put on the hip waders.

Posted by: tangonine at February 11, 2014 09:09 AM (x3YFz)

174 I'm going to ask the same question as Dr. Spank upthread. Where's Ace? Did I miss the reveal or is this some super secret that only the premium AoSHQ members know. I'm not saying this out of jest. I'm serious, you guys. Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2014 01:01 PM (kPiYr) lots were happening when he kinda signed off last the loss of a commenter the comments were hit hard by really disgusting leftist trolls, so posts had to be deleted etc his last twitter was Feb 7 https://twitter.com/AceofSpadesHQ

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 11, 2014 09:09 AM (IXrOn)

175 A very elegant way of stating your rack makes you top heavy. So, that awkward intersection of physics and physiology.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 11, 2014 09:10 AM (naUcP)

176 "Obama isn't going to allow its repeal while he is in office. " Along with this defeatist notion is the idea that incumbent Republicans will not accept criticism of their 'pragmatic' collaborative efforts to "fix" Obamacare without repealing it; and even with a Republican President, Senate and House, repeal would be "extremist".

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 09:10 AM (5xmd7)

177 It's also a fairly frequent occurrence among football players, I believe.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 01:06 PM (PYAXX)


**raises hand


GUILTY.  At one point in my late thirties I was almost 300lbs even.  Worked that down to about two and a quarter and hovered there ever since.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 09:10 AM (nELVU)

178 Realist, I suggest you find a different blog. Maybe Westboro "Baptist" "Church" has one you'd like to hang out at?

Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2014 09:11 AM (KO0bZ)

179 Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Or, perhaps more likely- they were rather more in shape in their youth (Olympic athletes rather famously eat for an army), and never got out of the eating habits while simultaneously not keeping up the exercise regimen. There have been a couple of US Olympians on "The Biggest Loser". Holly Mangold was a powerlifter and Rulon Gardner was a surprise Gold medal winner in Greco Roman wrestling. A person who competes at that level is 100% focused on their sport alone. Their coaches tell them when to do everything. Then when their career is over, the coaches go away and they're in charge of their life with no coaches to bug them. Not all of them go crazy eating. There are a LOT of Olympians that stay in amazing shape. But some of them do.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 11, 2014 09:11 AM (J79eW)

180 Bravo Keith Arnold

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 09:11 AM (5xmd7)

181 "Harry Reid will never allow any of these bills to see the light of day in the Senate. Emperor TehWon has no need to abolish the Senate, the Dems there are his Grand Moffs."
Correct. Its pointless to even try anything, Reid has proved he has no interest in the constitution, the will of the American people, or even the laws of God against molesting children, as some say.
The Senate is under absolute control by one man. He's not an administrator, he's just a dictator.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:11 AM (zfY+H)

182 So, that awkward intersection of physics and physiology.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 11, 2014 01:10 PM (naUcP)



Ace of Spades HQ.


Come for the sharp, insightful political analysis.


Stay for the bewb physics!



Posted by: EC at February 11, 2014 09:12 AM (GQ8sn)

183 >>You want a viable alternative? Here's my viable alternative. First, somebody put their finger on wherever it is in the Constitution that empowers the Federal government to dictate, manipulate, or otherwise fornicate with the provision of medical care in this country. Once they admit that such a piece of text doesn't exist, then repeal Obamacare once and for all. How? >>Because math is an iron-plated bitch, Yep. And math says you need 67 votes in the Senate to override a Presidential veto assuming Reid would allow a vote on repeal which he has refused to do 40+ times already, so again, how?

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 09:12 AM (g1DWB)

184 Not all of them go crazy eating. There are a LOT of Olympians that stay in amazing shape. But some of them do. Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2014 01:11 PM (J79eW) And some of us go.... other.... directions...

Posted by: Bruce Jenner at February 11, 2014 09:12 AM (84gbM)

185 >> I'm going to ask the same question as Dr. Spank upthread. Where's Ace? He's attending to some off-blog bidness. Will be back soon.

Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2014 09:12 AM (KO0bZ)

186 After tonight France will no longer be our ally. Posted by: burt at February 11, 2014 01:03 PM (1+kJ5) The French are our Allies? Who knew?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 09:12 AM (t3UFN)

187 Any reform that doesn't eliminate the individual and corporate mandate is an affront to freedom. Any reform that doesn't eliminate must-issue and community-rating is an affront to economic sanity. The rest is just liberal junk.

Posted by: toby928© at February 11, 2014 09:13 AM (QupBk)

188 "The GOP does not want to and will not repeal obamacare. "

That's why a maximal fix/rollback is vital.
Never CALL it repealed, let the Democrats own the mess ... just gut it like a fish so that it doesnt become embedded in our system like a tick.

Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at February 11, 2014 09:13 AM (oNqbW)

189 The Senate is under absolute control by one man. He's not an administrator, he's just a dictator. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 01:11 PM (zfY+H) Then you need to break the Democrat hold.... go find the 10 most moderate Dem Senators, and ask them if they LIKE Reid's Tyranny.... if they like them usurping THEIR power...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (84gbM)

190 "assuming Reid would allow a vote on repeal which he has refused to do 40+ times already, so again, how?"

Even money that Reid's a Bronie.

Posted by: tangonine at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (x3YFz)

191 I'd love to see the Democrats forced into some hard votes on this craptastic law. -Gabe And I would love to win the fucking lottery and be carefree but I don't see that happening either.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (HVff2)

192 Guess what I did? Just. Guess.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 12:48 PM (VtjlW)


*** Gasp, pushes fur covered goose down pillow thru the USB for thy nether regions! ***

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (kXoT0)

193 Ace was like a brother to me. And when I say "brother," I don't mean it like an actual brother. I mean it like the way black people use it. Which is more meaningful, I think.

Posted by: Aces Eugoogly at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (vgIRn)

194 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (Q6pxP)

195 I am of the opposite opinion. Every time the Democrats propose something, the GOP should take it a step further and push for it. You voted for these people, okay America, take it. Take it all until you can't take any more.
You want health care? OK we're passing that, and also food controls. You want to stop coal? OK we're passing that and adding limits on gasoline.
Its the Sherman's March version of politics.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:14 AM (zfY+H)

196 Power. Of. The. Purse. Do you speak it? JackStraw has been all over this one. ObamaCare has its funding built in. How do you propose defunding something that has its own private funding intrinsic to the law?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 11, 2014 09:15 AM (J79eW)

197 He's attending to some off-blog bidness. Will be back soon.

Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2014 01:12 PM (KO0bZ)

Well that's boring.

Can't you make something up that's a bit more salacious?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 09:15 AM (QFxY5)

198 Romney/Bush 2016!

Posted by: N.H. Primary Voters at February 11, 2014 09:15 AM (Aif/5)

199 "Then you need to break the Democrat hold.... go find the 10 most moderate Dem Senators, and ask them if they LIKE Reid's Tyranny.... if they like them usurping THEIR power..."
Short answer: yes. As long as it matches their agenda.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:15 AM (zfY+H)

200 It's also a fairly frequent occurrence among football players, I believe. I'm on a team with three kids just out of HS football who each weigh 350 lbs. This is them in shape (well, sort of). What's going to happen when they 'let themselves go'?

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (FcR7P)

201 Obamacare is not the hill to fight on

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (Q6pxP)

202 After tonight France will no longer be our ally. Posted by: burt at February 11, 2014 01:03 PM (1+kJ5) The French are our Allies? Who knew? Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2014 01:12 PM (t3UFN) David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 4h My state dinners will be catered by In-N-Out. For France, Taco Bell. #Iowahawk2016

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (IXrOn)

203 People need to get over this idea that if only House Republicans were as angry as themselves, then somehow they'd use their heretofore unknown Magic Powers to DO SOMETHING and repeal Obamacare. That's not it. Though, MP4 has a point- they *could* actually use the Power of the Purse, instead of rolling over and crying like little babies every time they're threatened. The point isn't that we're mad that they *haven't* repealed ObamaCare, but rather that they keep signaling that they don't think it's so bad. "Repeal and Replace." No. Repeal. Period. "Fix it." No. Repeal it. Period. You do not win converts to your cause by saying, "Yeah, our desires are completely unreasonable."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (PYAXX)

204 Start targeting Reid's appropriations and earmarks.

Posted by: --- at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (MMC8r)

205 go find the 10 most moderate Dem Senators....

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I dont think you'll find 10.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 09:16 AM (nELVU)

206 He's attending to some off-blog bidness. Will be back soon.

Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2014 01:12 PM (KO0bZ)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

Thanks.  That's all I wanted to know.  I  just kept picturing  him in a ditch somewhere, while hobos stood around arguing which orifice to corrupt first.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2014 09:17 AM (kPiYr)

207 Can't you make something up that's a bit more salacious?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2014 01:15 PM (QFxY5)



I'm pretty sure "off-blog bidness" translates to "rounding up and moving the hobo herd down from the high country Times Square for culling and branding of the breeding stock."

Posted by: Country Singer at February 11, 2014 09:17 AM (L8r/r)

208 Police have announced they have a suspect in the 39-year-old disappearance of the Lyon sisters in Maryland. Anyone who lived in MoCo in the '70's will remember this case. It marked the end of care-free childhood and the end of innocence. The suspect is already in prison on other charges.

Posted by: biancaneve at February 11, 2014 09:18 AM (2sR50)

209 A very elegant way of stating your rack makes you top heavy. So, that awkward intersection of physics and physiology. Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 11, 2014 01:10 PM (naUcP) Yeah. That. My way of phrasing it made me look moderately less lame. I am torn between not wanting to piss off ace and then suffer the ensuing front page spider post and suggesting that the Horde engage in a spirited round of What Is Ace Doing Other Than Boring Non-Blog Business*. Decisions, decisions. *taps chin* *The souls in those jars over there will feel awful if it turns out it was some serious family thing.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 09:18 AM (VtjlW)

210 JackStraw has been all over this one. ObamaCare has its funding built in. How do you propose defunding something that has its own private funding intrinsic to the law? Posted by: bonhomme
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Not only that, but didn't the Dems also add language that attempted to bind future Congresses to a super-majority vote in order to change the ACA (clearly unconstitutional)?  But Barry can change ANYTHING in the law with the stroke of a pen.

Posted by: mrp at February 11, 2014 09:19 AM (JBggj)

211

Here, MP4, I'll hug you instead.

*smish*

 

Your time in the Imperial Workout Room shows benefits, Malevolent One.


Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 09:19 AM (zF6Iw)

212 Well that's boring.

Can't you make something up that's a bit more salacious?

He's marrying that giant rock that CAC posted about.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (B/VB5)

213 If obama is breaking the law in regards to obamacare as everyone says, then why aren't federal courts issuing injunctions?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (nyPW+)

214 My Queen, that sounds awful. I am glad that you are fine and that the fries of hate were unscathed.

Posted by: chique at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (r+7wo)

215 "JackStraw has been all over this one. ObamaCare has its funding built in. How do you propose defunding something that has its own private funding intrinsic to the law? Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2014 01:15 PM (J79eW) " Forbid the use of federal funds in the hiring, training, and evaluation of persons using those funds; forbid the use of federal funds to secure the office space, furniture, telephone and wireless services, utilities, and maintenance of offices to spend those funds. This isn't rocket science. It's not even unprecedented. Precedents for it aren't limited to the United States. Just because the executive is guaranteed a certain level of funding doesn't mean they can't be frustrated when you deny them enough to get the job completed.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (5xmd7)

216 Obama wants/will use EO to again delay the employer mandate which is a violation of his "signature law".  Laws shmaws.....

Posted by: Cheri at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (G+Wff)

217
Status update: Putin is doing donuts on Obama's lawn.

Obama is doing donuts on Boeher's lawn.\

Boehner is doing donuts on our lawn.


Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2014 09:20 AM (XUKZU)

218 If obama is breaking the law in regards to obamacare as everyone says, then why aren't federal courts issuing injunctions? Posted by: Soothsayer at February 11, 2014 01:20 PM (nyPW+) Everyone! In a round! Standing standing standing. Now just the baritones!

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 09:21 AM (VtjlW)

219 >>I dont think you'll find 10. Even if you did you'd have to find a way to get Reid to put it on the calendar for a vote.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 11, 2014 09:21 AM (g1DWB)

220 If obama is breaking the law in regards to obamacare as everyone says, then why aren't federal courts issuing injunctions?

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Because.... in a country with 350 million people... apparently, not ONE has "standing".

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 09:21 AM (nELVU)

221 >> Can't you make something up that's a bit more salacious? Yeah, like I'm going to tell you people where he's moving the hobo remains to. Oh. I've said too much.

Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2014 09:21 AM (Ras6A)

222 The Republicans in the Senate could show their anger at the Searchlight Strangler's usurpations by denying unanimous consent to everything on the agenda. Every single thing. Gum the whole place up. I think that even a single Senator can do this. That they do not, not even Paul or Cruz, shows they may be peeved, but they are not really hot about it.

Posted by: toby928© at February 11, 2014 09:22 AM (QupBk)

223 "If obama is breaking the law in regards to obamacare as everyone says, then why aren't federal courts issuing injunctions? Posted by: Soothsayer at February 11, 2014 01:20 PM (nyPW+) " We talked about this yesterday. There's one member of Congress suing him at present for the Congressional waiver, and its winding its way to a hearing. The changes done this week apply to a limited population, and I haven't heard any of them have sued yet in the past couple of days.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 09:22 AM (5xmd7)

224

Obama cares for nothing but himself.  He doesn't care if Democrats go down in flames so long as his* signature achievement lives on.  So do what damage control that can be done and wait for him to pass from the scene.

 

I am open to other plans so long as those plans are within shouting distance of reality.

 

*Ha!  Everybody in the Democrat caucus had their grubby paws all over this.  That albatross belongs to them all.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - President's Day Sale - All Red Hot Rage 15% Off! at February 11, 2014 09:22 AM (hLRSq)

225 I dont think you'll find 10. Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2014 01:16 PM (nELVU) *Ahem*

Posted by: Genesis 19:20-32 at February 11, 2014 09:22 AM (PYAXX)

226 Short answer: yes. As long as it matches their agenda. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 01:15 PM (zfY+H) But that's just it.... I don't think it does... there ARE more moderate Dems... there are DINOs... This voting block has somehow held together.... but I think its more fragile than people imagine... But that would take the Whigs in the GOP to get some nads, and actually talk to individual members of the Dem caucus... Do you really think there are not 10 or 12 DEM Senators, who do not like the Power Play??? Who do not SEE what it is doing to this country??? And who do not understand that Reid has usurped THEIR power? The Founders based the Constitution checks and balances on people being greedy for power... somehow the Dems have bypassed that.... but it does not mean that Greed is not there... I simply can't believe there are NOT Dems out there grumbling.... but they DO need both a Spark to set them off.... and a LEADER...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 09:22 AM (84gbM)

227 I've said too much. A friend will help you move, a good friend will help you move a body. A best friend brings his own shovel.

Posted by: toby928© at February 11, 2014 09:23 AM (QupBk)

228 Status update: Putin is doing donuts on Obama's lawn. Obama is doing donuts on Boeher's lawn.\ Boehner is doing donuts on our lawn. Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2014 01:20 PM (XUKZU) Then, we shall do crullers on the WH lawn. Big ole tracker wheel crullers.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 11, 2014 09:23 AM (IXrOn)

229 Obama wants/will use EO to again delay the employer mandate which is a violation of his "signature law". So, regulatory agencies can essentially write law when it supposedly enacts the 'will of Congress,' but failing to uphold the law as expressly written is also legal? Time to get a grip on your fucking balls, Boner.

Posted by: --- at February 11, 2014 09:23 AM (MMC8r)

230 Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2014 01:12 PM (KO0bZ) Do you have the 'power of unbannening +7 critical'?

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 09:23 AM (fWAjv)

231 until this posting i never realized GM was gay. I couldn't care less and still enjoy his postings

Posted by: Avi at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (p/izY)

232

What Is Ace Doing Other Than Boring Non-Blog Business

 

Putting on a Liza Minnelli wig and singing "Is That All There Is?" to his reflection.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (zF6Iw)

233 We can't just ONE judge that thinks at least ONE citizen has standing?

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (nyPW+)

234 I believe ace is out surveying the location for the future AoSHQ SMOD antenna, or SMOD ROD as it will be called. 

Posted by: Heralder at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (/Mxso)

235 Bannion. You do know I can still tell where your hands are, yes?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 01:06 PM (VtjlW)

::: shifty eyes :::

Ummmm, yes, my Queen.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (JpC1K)

236 Boehner is doing donuts on our lawn. Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2014 01:20 PM (XUKZU) And we are yelling in unison "GET THE HELL OFF OUR LAWN!!"

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (fWAjv)

237 Status update: Putin is doing donuts on Obama's lawn.


There's donuts?

Lieutenant, bring donuts.  Now!

Posted by: Bo the Imperial Dog at February 11, 2014 09:24 AM (8ZskC)

238 230 until this posting i never realized GM was gay. I couldn't care less and still enjoy his postings Posted by: Avi at February 11, 2014 01:24 PM (p/izY) See! See! That's ace's plan!!!!! To get you not to notice!!

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2014 09:26 AM (fWAjv)

239 I'm on a team with three kids just out of HS football who each weigh 350 lbs. This is them in shape (well, sort of). What's going to happen when they 'let themselves go'? Well, if they've done it "right" that's not too bad. Bodybuilders are supposed to weigh about 3-4 lbs per inch of height. Say the kid is 6'2", that puts them at 296lbs. Add 50lbs of fat and you're right at 350ish. If you're eating like a bodybuilder and not just carb-loading, when you're done playing you can simply back off the portions as you exercise less. But yeah, I get it. Most HS athletes have no clue about nutrition. Some programs really emphasize it, but how many HS Football coaches are pounding that information weekly?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 11, 2014 09:26 AM (J79eW)

240 "The Republicans in the Senate could show their anger at the Searchlight Strangler's usurpations by denying unanimous consent to everything on the agenda. Every single thing. Gum the whole place up. " The Congressional Record is a journal of everything done on the floor of the Senate and House. Members are allowed to "amend" the record with corrections to omissions. This is traditionally abused to include matters on the record that were not actually discussed, such as congratulations to constituents, or speeches, or letters from constituents. It would waste time to read all that in, so they're allowed to include it as if the chair would have let them hog the microphone as much as they wanted during sessions. As a matter of procedure, any one member can waive the reading of this record. They would then have to stop while the clerk read the Record aloud to the membership. It should be considered a last resort, to be done after all other less offensive methods were attempted. Such as, assault and battery with a baseball bat.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 09:26 AM (5xmd7)

241 ::: shifty eyes ::: Ummmm, yes, my Queen. Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 01:24 PM (JpC1K) You do realize that was a subtle hint to remove them from the Imperial Personage, yes? Or would you prefer me to engage in some unsubtle hinting?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 09:27 AM (VtjlW)

242 Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 01:22 PM (5xmd7) Simpler answer??? It takes YEARS for things to wind through the Courts.... and meanwhile, the ACTS are going forward... Take the blatant illegal Recess Appointments for the Labor Relations Board.... By the time it made it through the Courts... their appointments were already moot... AND everything they did.... stood... The Courts are not FAST enough to stop Executive Tyranny.... because they can only Redress something that has already happened.... not STOP it in its tracks before it does...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 09:27 AM (84gbM)

243 Further notes for Cavil's Amendments: Those affected by a law always have standing to challenge it. Unwritten corollary: If it's that much a pain to defend it, maybe you shouldn't have passed it?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at February 11, 2014 09:27 AM (naUcP)

244 The point isn't that we're mad that they *haven't* repealed ObamaCare, but rather that they keep signaling that they don't think it's so bad.

"Repeal and Replace." No. Repeal. Period.

You are insane.  The fact that they have an alternative plan does not imply that they're groovy with Obamacare.  Hence the whole "appeal" thing.

It is your opinion that the pre-Obamacare health system in the US was perfect?  That no improvements by federal lawmakers were possible?  Say, tort reform?  Interstate competition?

Running solely as the Party Of No isn't going to work.

"I don't like that guy's plan, and I have none of my own!  "Vote for me!"

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 09:28 AM (SY2Kh)

245 Oops-

Hence the whole "repeal" thing.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 09:28 AM (SY2Kh)

246 You do realize that was a subtle hint to remove them from the Imperial Personage, yes?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 01:27 PM (VtjlW)

Props to Bannion for a masterful execution of delay tactics.

Posted by: Heralder at February 11, 2014 09:29 AM (/Mxso)

247 Time to get a grip on your fucking balls, Boner.

Posted by: --- at

 

I don't watch BOR but read recently that he thinks Boner is secretly a democrat.  Not so much a secret I'd say.

Posted by: Cheri at February 11, 2014 09:30 AM (G+Wff)

248 You do realize that was a subtle hint to remove them from the Imperial Personage, yes?  Or would you prefer me to engage in some unsubtle hinting?

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 01:27 PM (VtjlW)

Just one more squeeze?

::: puppy eyes :::

Please?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 11, 2014 09:31 AM (JpC1K)

249 "But that's just it.... I don't think it does... there ARE more moderate Dems... there are DINOs... "
You misunderstand. Their agenda is to retain power and stop Republicans. Reid is doing that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:31 AM (zfY+H)

250 "You are insane. The fact that they have an alternative plan does not imply that they're groovy with Obamacare. Hence the whole "appeal" thing."
Step back, calm down, and read what he said. Please. Go ahead and re read it, not as an attack on you personally, not as something to jump on and fix, not as an insult, but just the words as written.
I think you'll find far more you agree with than disagree with, if you view it fairly and objectively. It is plainly not "insane" by any rational standard.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:33 AM (zfY+H)

251 I simply can't believe there are NOT Dems out there grumbling.... but they DO need both a Spark to set them off.... and a LEADER... Posted by: Romeo13
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They went all in just before Christmas, 2009.  They're stuck in the Obamacare tar pit.  The more they struggle, the deeper they sink.  Dems in Mass. voted for Scott Brown as the 41st vote to stop the cloture vote for Obamacare.  Think about that at your leisure, because the "moderate" Dems sure as hell didn't consider the effects of the law on the people of their respective states when they signed on for the long ride.

Posted by: mrp at February 11, 2014 09:33 AM (JBggj)

252 I simply can't believe there are NOT Dems out there grumbling.... but they DO need both a Spark to set them off.... and a LEADER...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 01:22 PM (84gbM)

 

 

---------------------------------------------------

 

 

I  don't think there are  any moderate dems in congress now.  They've all been chased away by the likes of Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, King, etc.  The dem caucus is run by the iron fist of these marxists.  No one speaks against the leadership lest they become fresh meat for the MFM jackals  and ruined politically.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2014 09:33 AM (kPiYr)

253 Just one more squeeze? ::: puppy eyes ::: Please? Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 11, 2014 01:31 PM (JpC1K) No.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at February 11, 2014 09:34 AM (VtjlW)

254 It is your opinion that the pre-Obamacare health system in the US was perfect? That no improvements by federal lawmakers were possible? Say, tort reform? Interstate competition? "I don't like that guy's plan, and I have none of my own! "Vote for me!" Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2014 01:28 PM (SY2Kh) There is NO Constitutionally enumerated power that even lets Congress get involved... Health insurance was governed by STATE Law... and it was Federal Law that said you could not sell it over State lines... (thus no Commerce Clause). So it would be up to the STATES to fix it... NOT the Congress. Now... Tort Reform? notice Obamacare did not touch it???

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 09:34 AM (84gbM)

255 There is NO Constitutionally enumerated power that even lets Congress get involved...

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**facepalm**

Good grief.... I think I have to spell it out for you wingers.

T - A - X.

Posted by: Chief Justic Roberts at February 11, 2014 09:37 AM (nELVU)

256 You misunderstand. Their agenda is to retain power and stop Republicans. Reid is doing that. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 01:31 PM (zfY+H) No.... I do understand... and I also have a few clues about Human Nature... There is no way a group this large, random people from all over the country, can actually believe in the exact same agenda... You just have to peel them off using Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 09:38 AM (84gbM)

257

Chipping away at ObamaCare is a slow tactic but right now it appears to be the only one that can be accomplished.*  It has the side benefit of keeping this on the agenda, highlighting one disastrous part after another, showing how ObamaCare hurts this person and then this person and so on.

 

Force the Democrats to defend hurting individual people.  That is much more powerful than hurt people in abstract.

 

*Not that all of the delays and exemptions and so on aren't destroying ObamaCare as we sit here and type.  We want to get our kicks in also before it expires.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - President's Day Sale - All Red Hot Rage 15% Off! at February 11, 2014 09:39 AM (hLRSq)

258 You misunderstand. Their agenda is to retain power and stop Republicans. Reid is doing that. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 01:31 PM (zfY+H) And to add.... Reid is asking them to take a very unpopular position, in order to retain HIS power... Think about that...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 09:40 AM (84gbM)

259 "It is your opinion that the pre-Obamacare health system in the US was perfect? That no improvements by federal lawmakers were possible? Say, tort reform? Interstate competition? Running solely as the Party Of No isn't going to work." Affirmation of state control of health insurance regulation is not just saying "No", and it involves the ABSENCE of federal management of health insurance. It is too bad there isn't a press conference that Senators and Congressman can do to implement that. It is just too, too bad. Since there's only 535 of them, we can cycle personnel til we find 535 who can stand it.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 11, 2014 09:40 AM (5xmd7)

260 I get what you're thinking but it doesn't matter. There aren't enough who care enough to do anything, even if you managed to get some rebels collected. Any attempts would be met with threats of cutting off senate reelection funds and refusals to consider their legislation.
Short answer: no, you can't find them.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 11, 2014 09:41 AM (zfY+H)

261
  Find solutions to Obamacare and watch them get shot down.  I get the impression that nothing can be done in respect to ANY perceived or real problem, reading here.

    I guess for true , the hill to die on is that there is no hill to die on.

     Flippin discouraging.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 11, 2014 09:41 AM (SAMxH)

262 You just have to peel them off using Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 01:38 PM (84gbM)


True, but, there very first need is to be reelected and the Dim leadership has mastered scaring folks into toeing the party line or ELSE.  It's hard to be reelected when you had zero success as a legislator and your own party works against you.  There were some moderate to conservative Dims elected in the 90s and the Dim party took them aside upon arrival and explained the realities of life to them--they fell in line--the one or two that resisted, served their two years and were gone.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at February 11, 2014 09:42 AM (kXoT0)

263 Now... Tort Reform? notice Obamacare did not touch it???

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2014 01:34 PM (84gbM)

 

 

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I can remember  hearing a speech he made to a group of physician sycophants when he was discussing Ocare.  Everything he talked about was met with applause. 

 

Then he  added that some doctors think that there'll be tort reform  (applause).  There's not going to be tort reform  of any kind.  Everyone is still held to the  same tort laws as before..........(silence). 

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2014 09:44 AM (kPiYr)

264 Whatever happened to getting government out of health care and letting the market actually work?

Posted by: Iblis at February 11, 2014 09:45 AM (9221z)

265 Whatever happened to getting government out of health care and letting the market actually work?

Posted by: Iblis at February 11, 2014 01:45 PM (9221z)

 

 

Probably because that idea can't be sold yet.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - President's Day Sale - All Red Hot Rage 15% Off! at February 11, 2014 09:56 AM (hLRSq)

266 If you like your employees you can keep your employees. If you don't like your employees, well too freaking bad! BTW, Wheres my salmon on White house China?

Posted by: Barry's_Dog_King_Barky at February 11, 2014 10:02 AM (cCxiu)

267 >>Johson's plan is pretty straightforward(sic)<<

It also has fail written all over it.

Obamacare is made up of component parts. Johnson's approach leaves taxpayers holding the bag for many of these changes.

So what's the point? Give employers relief but leave taxpayers saddled with the cost?

Unacceptable.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 11, 2014 10:05 AM (GGCsk)

268

what makes anyone think the American voters will put someone in office who will repeal it?  The electoral math in this country virtually guarantees a Democrat president.

Posted by: SamInVA at February 11, 2014 10:15 AM (Q52VH)

269 Prohibition, that was the only one that went backwards, right?

Posted by: Erowmero at February 11, 2014 10:33 AM (OONaw)

270 Obamacare is cancer

Posted by: AAA at February 11, 2014 10:37 AM (fG412)

271 And again, why is Congress even funding it? Why give funds to the IRS to hire the agents? Why give funds to the "Community Groups" and "Facilitators" to implement it? Congress' check on an out of control President is the purse. Use it!

Posted by: Iblis at February 11, 2014 10:43 AM (9221z)

272 They already made the hardest vote which was passing this POS. Quit dicking around. Repeal it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 11, 2014 12:40 PM (Y92Nd)

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