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January 12, 2014

Gun Thread (1-12-2014)
— andy

Well done, Redditor. Well done.

This may be the best use of 3D printing ever.

If thereÂ’s one thing the anti-gun zealots at Mother Jones hate, itÂ’s firearms in the hands of law-abiding American citizens. If thereÂ’s another thing Mother Jones hates, itÂ’s probably the ability of those same law-abiding citizens to manufacture their own means of self-defense from the comfort of their own homes via a 3D printer.
One gun lover at reddit decided to 3D-print his own homage to Mother Jones: a homemade lower receiver for an AR-15-style rifle, complete with serial number. And just for kicks, he made sure the serial number matched the phone number for the main office at Mother Jones. The redditor even printed the Mother Jones logo on the receiver.

ZOMFG!!11! Florida Is Going To Allow 'Warning Shots'! Or Not.

Any time a news story about self defense law hits, I check to see what Andrew Branca has to say about it.

FloridaÂ’s misnamed Â“Warning ShotÂ” bill, Senate Bill 448, has advanced another step, with a 5-to-0 vote in favor by the State Senate Criminal Justice Committee, chaired by State Senator Greg Evers [R]
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In fact, [there is no] mention of Â“warning shotsÂ” whatever. [The bill and its companion in the Florida House] are, in fact, really merely efforts to fix an apparent glitch in FloridaÂ’s current self-defense law framework (hence their overwhelming support).
A close reading of FloridaÂ’s various self-defense statutes Â— including 776.012 Defense of Persons, 776.013 Home Protection, and 776.031 Defense of Others, and 776.032 Immunity Â— can result in the interpretation that they address only the actual use of force against another, and not the mere threat of the use of such force.
This has resulted in cases where a person who has merely threatened the use of force Â— e.g, displaying a defensive firearm to an attacker Â— finds himself with less legal justification than if he had taken the next step of actually using that forceÂ–e.g., shooting their attacker. The seeming result would be to encourage the use of deadly force, even in circumstances where the use of such force could have been avoided.

Read the whole thing. You'll likely hear a lot about this bill in the MFM, and most of what you hear will be wrong.

Gun Of The Week

(answer below) Marksmanship Award

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— Cam and Company (@CamAndCompany) January 9, 2014

Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Finnish Jatimatic submachinegun. Why a Russian invader of the US was carrying one in Red Dawn, I'll never know.

Ariel Sharon, RIP

He knew his way around a gun.

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Posted by: andy at 06:00 AM | Comments (123)
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1 Mornin', Morons!

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 06:02 AM (Tjkt6)

2 The Romanians made a Jamamatic

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at January 12, 2014 06:03 AM (MhA4j)

3 I didn't know what that gun was but it looked like a really cheap POS. And I love that Mother Jones AR-15.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 12, 2014 06:03 AM (T2V/1)

4 Shit! I went and found the link to the Sharon photo and was going to post it. Well, here's a larger and lighter copy: http://goo.gl/ZpjG3s

Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 12, 2014 06:05 AM (Qev5V)

5 Good stuff thanks

Posted by: djone at January 12, 2014 06:06 AM (gkvRF)

6 The jamamtic must be a lot of fun to shoot looking at the upward angle of the barrel.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 12, 2014 06:06 AM (1DV31)

7 Ammo too expensive for warning shot.

Posted by: Dingbat63 at January 12, 2014 06:07 AM (f6cbT)

The mother jones gun is the bomb!

Hi NSA.

Posted by: Infidel at January 12, 2014 06:07 AM (6bvBO)

9 oooo, how about a Piers Morgan model?

Posted by: --- at January 12, 2014 06:07 AM (MMC8r)

10 Jatamatic! (sp?)

First and last time I saw one - or ever heard about it - was a review in Soldier of Fortune back in the day. Way to dig deep!

(now I'll look at the answer and see if I embarrassed myself)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:08 AM (celt+)

11 That looks like the Jatimatic in 12 ga. Amiright?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 12, 2014 06:08 AM (g4TxM)

12 #4 Love the grenades on the belt.

Posted by: Infidel at January 12, 2014 06:09 AM (6bvBO)

13 Oooh, pink.

Posted by: HR at January 12, 2014 06:09 AM (hO8IJ)

14 Day 117 waiting for Mrs VIA's paperwork to clear.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 12, 2014 06:09 AM (GcYmn)

15 "That looks like the Jatimatic in 12 ga."

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9mm. But I like your idea better.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:10 AM (celt+)

16 Well done, Taro! H/T to Ben K. for that one. He was all Red Dawn this week and it reminded me of the gun. I remembered it being called a "Jati", which was damned close.

Posted by: Andy at January 12, 2014 06:11 AM (vGQV1)

17 The massacre in the camp that they try to blame Sharon for was by arabs seeking revenge for their families being massacred by palistinians. In the early days of cnn, they had one of the killers on. His face and voice was disguised and he described what happened. It was pretty chilling. He said that he did not see them as people - that all he thought of was how his own family murdered and the women raped and murdered. Things don't happen in a vacummn but it's the muslims who always claim they are the victims. Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 12, 2014 06:12 AM (Qev5V)

18 Why is the GOTW's barrel pointing up? I thought there was a shoulder thingy for that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 12, 2014 06:13 AM (0HooB)

19 shooting has become the Sport of Kings. One clip can cost over 30 bucks!!! Now you know damn well that they cannot not disarm you , the powers try to starve your ammo supply... Speaking of recommendations for a present for the little woman. Check out the Bersa Thunder 380 cc model.. Awesome value and features..

Posted by: 7 Days in May at January 12, 2014 06:16 AM (j6DTo)

20 I picked up a Wilson triple tennis racket bag from Amazon for a bit over twenty bucks (and went through AoS to do it; gotta give Ace his vig.) Fits a broken-down AR-15 perfectly. I wrapped the halves in towels to keep them from marring each other.

I may get fancy and put some padding on the insides, but for now it's a perfectly adequate discreet case. I don't have an AK folder, but I imagine one would fit.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:16 AM (celt+)

21 "Why is the GOTW's barrel pointing up?" **** That model is strictly for firing waring shots.

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at January 12, 2014 06:17 AM (MhA4j)

22 Check out the Bersa Thunder 380
Awesome value and features.

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Yep, hear nothing but good about them. Had my eye out at my LGS's for years, nothing yet.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:18 AM (celt+)

23 Should I go to the Jackson gun show today?

Or stay in and write. Think I better write.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 06:20 AM (B8vRO)

24 anna do you need anything or are you wanting to sell anything?

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 46 days until spring training at January 12, 2014 06:21 AM (u8GsB)

25 You'll likely hear a lot about this bill in the MFM, and most of what you hear will be wrong.

Like every else in the MFM.

Posted by: Mark formally in Spokane, now in Sandy Ut at January 12, 2014 06:22 AM (xGX1p)

26 Thanks Andy. It's the only formal recognition Sharon's death has gotten here

Posted by: Thunderb at January 12, 2014 06:24 AM (zOTsN)

27 Re: the Jatimatic's barrel - It doesn't matter if the barrel points up as long as the sights are parallel with it. The neat thing is that the recoil force goes directly to the firer's hand rather than at a higher normal axis. That reduces muzzle climb.

The French MAS 38 SMG was the opposite - the barrel angled downward. Because French.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:24 AM (celt+)

28 Hey, thanks for the mention, Andy! :-) --Andrew, @LawSelfDefense

Posted by: Law of Self Defense at January 12, 2014 06:25 AM (8gaTv)

29 Sharon was a strategic military innovator, one the we learned from

Posted by: Thunderb at January 12, 2014 06:27 AM (zOTsN)

30 The French MAS 38 SMG was the opposite - the barrel angled downward. Because French. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 10:24 AM Well, when you look down on the rest of the world, it makes sense!

Posted by: Secundus at January 12, 2014 06:28 AM (FkSC4)

31 That is the Yatimatic...?

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 12, 2014 06:29 AM (TE35l)

32 PG. Define need something at a gun show.

I really don't know. Look and chat perhaps.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 06:31 AM (B8vRO)

33 Hey Anna! Check this out! http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/ I found it by following a link in the ONT. Go to "Model Kitsets" in the left sidebar, pick one, then click "Model Images". I've been drooling over those pictures since last night. I used to build model planes, but I was never this good. I still enjoy looking at pictures of models by people who really know what they are doing. (This isn't completely off-topic. The planes have machine guns, after all.)

Posted by: rickl at January 12, 2014 06:31 AM (sdi6R)

34 Kind of O/T Wife and i saw "Lone Survivor" last night. My review: Holy. F'n. SHIT! Wild, Wild West. It was INtense.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 12, 2014 06:31 AM (3Dg5d)

35 27 Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 10:24 AM (celt+)

You wouldn't want to hit the target it thwarts cessation of hostilities quicker...

//Pierre L'stinque Armorer Miliatiare Armes Syndiacte

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 12, 2014 06:31 AM (TE35l)

36 It took four months to get the .22LR conversion kit for my Glock 21 but it arrived last Wednesday. I still have to wait a little to try it since I'm in Cameroon.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 12, 2014 06:32 AM (Yu+KI)

37 After acquiring some Tipton dummies and cycling the action at least 100 times, the uts-15 cannot utilize 3" slugs. Overall the uts-15 is not a very good shotgun. Anyone want to buy a slightly used well broke in shotgun?

Posted by: Kreplach at January 12, 2014 06:33 AM (Xkr8I)

38 Re: the Florida warning shot law. It's kind of like that in Texas too. If you have a CHL you can not show your carry piece unless you're intending on using it or you can lose your license. If you discharge your weapon you better be trying to hit hit someone or else.....

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 06:34 AM (PGO8C)

39 Overall the uts-15 is not a very good shotgun.

How much?

Posted by: EC at January 12, 2014 06:38 AM (doBIb)

40 They have sights on guns? when did they start doing that?

Posted by: Chicago Gang banger at January 12, 2014 06:38 AM (1DV31)

41 >> Holy. F'n. SHIT! Wild, Wild West. It was INtense. I'm going at 12:45 today. Will probably do a post on it when I get home.

Posted by: Andy at January 12, 2014 06:40 AM (vGQV1)

42 Sharon screwed up with Kadima and destroying the Israeli settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, other than that, he totally kicked ass. RIP

Posted by: TexasJew at January 12, 2014 06:40 AM (U+u4A)

43 Re: the Jatimatic's barrel - It doesn't matter if the barrel points up as long as the sights are parallel with it Seeing the lines on the thing, it didn't strike me as an 'accuracy' weapon.

Posted by: --- at January 12, 2014 06:41 AM (MMC8r)

44 Trays, you live at Home Depot? Me too

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 06:41 AM (PGO8C)

45 She had to see my peace since I conspicuously put my hand right there, but she just said "hi, welcome." No big eyes, nothing. I was impressed.

Probably frozen in fear.

Posted by: EC at January 12, 2014 06:42 AM (doBIb)

46 .
Several Redditor users advertise their gun / accessories in the comments section of Mother Jones articles.
.
Then they brag about their sales. . . very nice . .
.

Posted by: FireNWater at January 12, 2014 06:42 AM (PYabA)

47 Rickl, those WWI planes can be pretty sweet. Luckily they make decals for the German WWI lozenge camouflage.

For insanity of detail, the 1/32d scale P-51D
http://store.spruebrothers.com/product_p/zkmsws004-os.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 06:43 AM (B8vRO)

48 44 --- at January 12, 2014 10:41 AM (MMC8r)

The rumor mill says it is actually a very accurate bullet hose.

Finnish doctrine loved the SMG and they made game use of the Suomi

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 12, 2014 06:43 AM (TE35l)

49 I hate going to Home Depot. if I am beginning a project and I need 5 items they will only have 4.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 12, 2014 06:44 AM (1DV31)

50 @40 Are you asking how unreliable it is or how much I would ask for it? It has an unacceptable FTF/FTE with 3" slugs and I am not happy with 3" shot either. It can handle 2-3/4" of both acceptably. I would like $800 for it.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 12, 2014 06:45 AM (Xkr8I)

51 Speaking of Finnish weapons...

I always like to play the "Rank the best gun designers in the world" game. JMB is obviously #1, but things get contentious after that. One guy I've never thought of before, but who deserves consideration, is Aimo Lahti. Fifty designs, including:

The Suomi SMG (which inspired the Soviet PPSh)
The Lahti L-35 9mm pistol
The Lahti-Saloranta 7.62mm LMG
The Lahti L-39 20mm semiautomatic (!) anti-tank rifle.

That's some serious range right there. His designs were little-used outside of Finland, not because they weren't excellent (they were), but probably because they were designed primarily to work in brutal winters. The Lahti pistol, in particular, is huge for a 9mm.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:46 AM (celt+)

52 It has an unacceptable FTF/FTE with 3" slugs and I am not happy with 3" shot either.

Doesn't sound too inspiring. Does it specifically say it can handle 3" shells? Maybe that's the problem.

Posted by: EC at January 12, 2014 06:47 AM (doBIb)

53 45 Yes I do right now, but yesterday was a special case. Individually I had out of the blue. One electrical circuit quit (gfi stopped working) then a sink leak (seems that when it was installed years ago, it was bearly on the edge of being done right) then a roof leak (a single roofing nail had worked its way out over the years). And to relate that all to guns, after I was finished, I was ready to shoot somebody.

Posted by: traye at January 12, 2014 06:47 AM (FHGdN)

54 I hate going to Home Depot. if I am beginning a project and I need 5 items they will only have 4. Posted by: Cicero Skip I know, I was joking. I usually wind up having to go to HD, Lowes, and then getting something online to finish. I wonder why they don't carry ammo at hardware stores?

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 06:48 AM (PGO8C)

55 lindafell, would a nailgun suffice?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 06:49 AM (B8vRO)

56 48 Rickl, those WWI planes can be pretty sweet. Luckily they make decals for the German WWI lozenge camouflage. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 10:43 AM (B8vRO) Did you see the Sopwith Pup in Japanese markings? I meant to point that out, but forgot. http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=28&cat=5

Posted by: rickl at January 12, 2014 06:50 AM (sdi6R)

57 And to relate that all to guns, after I was finished, I was ready to shoot somebody. Traye Oh, that's why they don't carry ammo at hardware stores...

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 06:50 AM (PGO8C)

58 41 They have sights on guns? when did they start doing that? Posted by: Chicago Gang banger

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OK, hold your gun out in your right hand as if you're about the shoot a rival.

See those things on the left side of the slide? Those are the sights.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:50 AM (celt+)

59 I wonder why they don't carry ammo at hardware stores? Posted by: lindafell They do. Only place you can get 22. But then again it's only useful for nailing.

Posted by: traye at January 12, 2014 06:51 AM (FHGdN)

60 Which hardware stores carry ammo?

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 06:53 AM (PGO8C)

61 Chigago Gang Banger, have I got a product for you!

Homeboy Nyte Sytes!

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-gag.html

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:54 AM (celt+)

62 #55 1968 Gun Control Act?

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 12, 2014 06:54 AM (KCvsd)

63 Taro, LOL

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 06:57 AM (PGO8C)

64 @53 Supposed to be able to use both as per the manual. The tube capacity for 2-3/4 and 3 is written on the sides of both tubes. 12 for 3 and 14 for 2-3/4 topped of it can hold 13 or 15 rounds. It's a nice concept but maybe the bullpup design needs some work, I understand the kel-tec has its own problems.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 12, 2014 06:57 AM (Xkr8I)

65 Plenty of local hardware stores in Maine have an ammo shelf. Hell, we've got this place:

http://www.funnysigns.net/files/guns-wedding-beer.jpg

(For those who don't want to copy and paste the link, it's a sign at Hussey's General Store that advertises GUNS - WEDDING DRESSES - COLD BEER)

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 06:58 AM (celt+)

66 Guns for the father of the bride.

Wedding dress for the expecting mother.

Cold beer to counteract the cold feet of the jittery groom.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 06:59 AM (B8vRO)

#55 :I wonder why they don't carry ammo at hardware stores?"

Because if they stocked guns, ammo and beer in hardware stores the men would never leave.

Posted by: Judgmental White Person at January 12, 2014 07:00 AM (XO6WW)

68 I'm in Texas and haven't seen ammo in a hardware store. Maybe in a really rural area but I've been to a few of those too??? Maybe it's a state by state thing.

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 07:02 AM (PGO8C)

69 20 I picked up a Wilson triple tennis racket bag from Amazon for a bit over twenty bucks (and went through AoS to do it; gotta give Ace his vig.) Fits a broken-down AR-15 perfectly. I wrapped the halves in towels to keep them from marring each other. I may get fancy and put some padding on the insides, but for now it's a perfectly adequate discreet case. I don't have an AK folder, but I imagine one would fit. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto TT, the Easton bat bag can fit a 16" carbine, stock collapsed, complete with no disassembly/reassembly required. I used to have an Arsenal AK with folding triangle stock, and they fit great in the tennis racket bag. I miss the sneaky aspect of that, but never could warm up to the AK platform, no matter how much I admired it. Used to have a para-FAL, and the double-racket bag would hold it with stock folded as well. I actually carried it 4 times up-and-down a crowded elevator in Asheville (forgot my car keys in my room), nobody batted an eye. The fact that the locals woulda' had a serious case of the vapors if they knew what was in it gave me serious wood. Also, uploading pics of my new CZ now. Link forthcoming.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 07:04 AM (Tjkt6)

70 Because if they stocked guns, ammo and beer in hardware stores the men would never leave. Posted by: Judgmental White Person You do have a valid point..... Heh.

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 07:04 AM (PGO8C)

71 Ace Hardware here deep east Tx has ammo, but have to asked ie not on shelf

Posted by: Ender at January 12, 2014 07:05 AM (uLtWl)

72 Czech her out, TT: http://s134.photobucket.com/user/rshauk/library/CZ%20550

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 07:10 AM (Tjkt6)

73 "I used to have an Arsenal AK with folding triangle stock, and they fit great in the tennis racket bag. I miss the sneaky aspect of that"

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I always get a kick out of the Mittys on the gun boards when they start a "what's the best camo?" thread.

My shooting camouflage? Khakis, a button-down shirt, baseball cap and a tennis racket bag. I call it "Tactical Yuppie Pattern".

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 07:12 AM (celt+)

74 66 Plenty of local hardware stores in Maine have an ammo shelf. Hell, we've got this place: http://www.funnysigns.net/files/guns-wedding-beer.jpg (For those who don't want to copy and paste the link, it's a sign at Hussey's General Store that advertises GUNS - WEDDING DRESSES - COLD BEER) Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 10:58 AM (celt+) That's why they call it a general store. That's all your needs, right there.

Posted by: rickl at January 12, 2014 07:12 AM (sdi6R)

75 Since when did they start putting pointy elbows on the book thread?

Posted by: lindafell at January 12, 2014 07:14 AM (PGO8C)

76 73 Czech her out, TT:

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Oh, man, what a beaut! The figure on that wood looks like fiddleback maple in spots. Seriously, the whole forearm-to-muzzle section looks like a Pennsylvania Rifle. Nice score.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 07:14 AM (celt+)

77 73 Czech her out, TT: http://s134.photobucket.com/user/rshauk/library/CZ%20550 Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 11:10 AM (Tjkt6) Me. Want.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 12, 2014 07:15 AM (JQuNB)

78 Rickl, that Sopwith Pup with the Rising Suns was pretty nice. And at that scale, one starts to sense how truly fragile those kites were.

Taro I may take umbrage at calling those idiots Mitty types. Since Mitty dreamed of being a hero. These guys are just wanna-bes wanting to live out a dystopian fantasy in RL instead of on the computer. And they obviously never took to heart the sage pronouncement from Monty Python - "How not to be seen."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2014 07:17 AM (B8vRO)

79 OT, sort of: I have a house full of rats from VMI that I'm taking back tonight, to time the arrival as late as we can before furlough ends. This afternoon I'm setting up the thrower and we'll shoot some clay birds out in the field. Money into noise is always a good way to take their mind off of their fate. These last three weeks as rats will be the hardest yet.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 12, 2014 07:21 AM (l3vZN)

80 "Taro I may take umbrage at calling those idiots Mitty types. Since Mitty dreamed of being a hero. These guys are just wanna-bes wanting to live out a dystopian fantasy in RL instead of on the computer."

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Y'know, I used to think the same thing, especially with the zombie nonsense. Now I've got a slightly more charitable view. I think that people are just so scared shitless now, and the problems we face are so insurmountable and so complex, that people are anxiously latching onto fantasies that give them a comforting sense of control.

Zombies are a simple problem (zombie) that has a simple solution (shoot the zombie).

I don't think they're relishing the fantasy itself, but the simple solution. They're not motivated by hostility or aggression or death-worship, but by fear. And I'd wager there's not a person who reads this blog who isn't scared shitless by the state and direction of civilization right now.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 07:26 AM (celt+)

81 Oh, man, what a beaut! The figure on that wood looks like fiddleback maple in spots. Seriously, the whole forearm-to-muzzle section looks like a Pennsylvania Rifle. Nice score. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January Thanks, I'm very happy with her. Been wanting one for years. Just got the rings in last night, had the Leupold for about a week, just sitting there taunting me, unmounted. Gave me time to tune the trigger, and relieve the stock channel to free-float that barrel (had a little binding). It came stock with a 5-round flush magazine, but one little-known secret is that the CZ 750 Counter Urban Sniper .308 10-round magazine fits the CZ 550s in both .243 and .308. Painful at $120 a pop for the mags, tho. The wood is beautiful, but has me confused. I thought all the CZ wood stocks were made from Turkish Walnut, but when I set this one next to my other CZ, they don't even look like the same kind of wood, so I'm clueless. I'm a wood (lower-case-m) moron.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 07:31 AM (Tjkt6)

82 Ture Value hardware in Alpine, TX has a guns and ammo section. That little store has everything you need in life except fresh food, so you have to go across the street to the grocery store for that. Last time I was there I ordered a county commemorative Henry rifle in .22. It may take 6 months to arrive.

Posted by: stace at January 12, 2014 07:31 AM (9PXzx)

83 Y'know, I used to think the same thing, especially with the zombie nonsense. If you're into prepping, check out the Zombie Squad forums. Great prepper site. They have great fun with the theme, but tons of good info. One of the disclaimers in the about page, paraphrased, is: "Yes, we know there's no such thing as zombies. But if you're prepared for a Zombie Apocalypse, you're prepared for anything up to and including one. So might as well have fun while prepping."

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 07:34 AM (Tjkt6)

84 My shooting camouflage? Khakis, a button-down shirt, baseball cap and a tennis racket bag. I call it "Tactical Yuppie Pattern". Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 11:12 AM (celt+) Just esthetically, if I buy something in camo, I prefer two of our local Texas camo patterns, Game Guard and Brush Country. I am a chick, and I just think they are prettier than real tree and the others, and more appropriate for our vegetation anyway.

Posted by: stace at January 12, 2014 07:36 AM (9PXzx)

85 The wood is beautiful, but has me confused. I thought all the CZ wood stocks were made from Turkish Walnut, but when I set this one next to my other CZ, they don't even look like the same kind of wood, so I'm clueless. I'm a wood (lower-case-m) moron.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 11:31 AM (Tjkt6)

Oedipus, my CZ-owning (452) BH says he was offered the choice of Walnut or Beech. Might it be Beech?

Scroll down to the bottom here to see what fancy maple on an M1 looks like

http://dgrguns.com/4-stocks-extra-fancy-walnut-t1.htm

Posted by: Steck at January 12, 2014 07:36 AM (5i94q)

86 Posted by: stace at January 12, 2014 11:36 AM (9PXzx)

We're going need pics of you in said camo.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 12, 2014 07:40 AM (sBXOp)

87 Oedipus, I really like the extended mag with the Mannlicher stock. It gives it a great late-1800s military carbine look. I've always thought those were the neatest rifles:

http://tinyurl.com/k3tqu7y

I could never cotton to rifles without iron sights.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 07:42 AM (celt+)

88 @87 or, considering where we are after all, out of it.

Say, if you've run out of other things to do, if you ever want to make long-term enemies with Gurrl Gun-Bloggers, just ask that "What gun for wife" question. It brings out the worst in people. There is one, and only one answer: take the woman in question shooting. Let her try several different types. Show her what is available. Kind of like if you were dealing with, you know, a man. Then let her choose.

Sure it spoils the surprise, but, when you think of it, cars, houses and jewelry kind of work the same way. For those of you buying jewelry for men.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 12, 2014 07:44 AM (xq1UY)

89 Oedipus, my CZ-owning (452) BH says he was offered the choice of Walnut or Beech. Might it be Beech? Scroll down to the bottom here to see what fancy maple on an M1 looks likehttp://dgrguns.com/4-stocks-extra-fancy-walnut-t1.htm Posted by: Steck It's definitely colored more like beech stocks I have on other manufacturer's weapons (Israeli FAL forearm and buttstock, Marlin 336...both of which I know are beech), but I've never noticed that kind of figure in beech. Of course, my other CZ (455) has the reddish stain/varnish on it from the factory, so no idea what the natural color of the wood is. Again, wood moron. My 455 was factory-new, this 550 was bought used, so no idea what has been done to the stock, if it was stripped, etc... In between posts, I've been looking into different CZ wood types. Seems they have alternated between American Walnut and Turkish Walnut at times, so maybe that accounts for the difference? Regardless, I'm happy with it, just curious, cuz I like to know these things.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 07:51 AM (Tjkt6)

90 I use a tennis bag for my AR as well. Took some closed cell foam and made an insert to protect everything. Been using it for about three years now. I can drop the bag on concrete and kick it around with no damage (not that I make a habit of it)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 12, 2014 07:51 AM (TIIx5)

91 And the Jati was Stallone's bullet hose in Cobra, with a primitive laser sight

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 12, 2014 07:55 AM (TIIx5)

92 We're going need pics of you in said camo. Posted by: Country Singer at January 12, 2014 11:40 AM (sBXOp) I have a Game Guard shirt with pink trim, a small Game Guard range bag, and a Game Guard soft cooler. All I need to buy is some matching shoes to complete the ensemble, and then I have some pearls and a LaRue Tactical cap to top it off. This is haute couture in our house. Don't know whether I should admit that. My poor husband has to put up with this.

Posted by: stace at January 12, 2014 07:56 AM (9PXzx)

93 Took some closed cell foam and made an insert to protect everything.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur

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ITC, where's a good place to find that? Home Depot? Craft stores?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 07:59 AM (celt+)

94 "My poor husband has to put up with this."

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I live in Maine, where flannel nightgowns are considered lingerie. Your hubby is doing fine.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 08:00 AM (celt+)

95 @73

A scout configured Enfield ?,
Cool

Posted by: Putter at January 12, 2014 08:01 AM (JkrPf)

96 96 @73 A scout configured Enfield ?, Cool Posted by: Putter Ishapore 2A, at that. I'm a fan of .308, and consolidating calibers. It's since been reverted back to wood stock configuration, the new stock and mount sold to fund other purchases. Couldn't bring myself to cut the barrel down to get it into a true scout configuration. I like to tinker. I like wood. So many likes, so little money, lol. Looking through my other albums, I sure have gone through some firearms. I had forgotten about some of them, lol.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 08:06 AM (Tjkt6)

97 TT, you'll probably have to look at local packaging companies or dumpster dive in light industrial parks. I salvaged my foam from packaging material scraps at work. Cut with a SHARP thin knife and use a hot glue gun to assemble. Don't use super glue unless you have full MOPP gear. The fumes are brutal when it reacts with the plastic in the foam

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 12, 2014 08:07 AM (TIIx5)

When high school drop outs can make zip guns it's NOT that difficult. I know gunsmiths that can manufacture anything you want. Bonnie & Clyde armed themselvess with BARs (Browning Automatic Rifles). They simply stoled them from the US government. This is a good example why Barrack Obama is a moron.

Posted by: burt at January 12, 2014 08:08 AM (1+kJ5)

99 There's an Ace Hardware near me that has guns and ammo. I also like to point out that Ohio has a Constitutional Carry bill wending its way through the legislature. It has a decent shot.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at January 12, 2014 08:10 AM (DjPa7)

100 98 - Thanks!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 08:14 AM (celt+)

101 Oedipus, I used to have #4 mk 1*, and a Enfield .22 training rifle, a M1 carbine and a bunch of other stuff until that tragic boating accident.

Posted by: Putter at January 12, 2014 08:30 AM (JkrPf)

102 Once I ran off a guy who had a restraining order from my neighbor by carrying a shotgun from my car to the apartment. Total lucky timing after shooting clay birds. He cruises by at two miles an hour, looks at me, floors it. Never saw him again. Same guy drunkenly once tried to open my (unhinged, sealed) skylight to get in next door. Their skylight would not have opened either. So drunk he missed by one skylight, and neither opened anyway, at 3 in the morning. Front door? Nah, he'd lost his key (pre-restraining order). I saved his life that night. Not sure he knows it. At three in the morning on my skylight, I still did not shoot at movement without IDing the dipshit. Had to go outside to do it thinking someone might be breaking in. The second time, another girl neighbor in apartments, I intentionally this time ran off a guy screaming he was going to kill her. Just had to go to the window with a 12 gauge after he threatened to kill us for yelling we were calling the cops in response to his screamed threats at her. Guns can save lives without a shot being fired. Abusive assholes prefer soft targets. So my question is, was merely holding a gun -not pointing at anyone- enough to get me in trouble in FL and I got lucky? Or, is/was pointing and threatening the legal issue?

Posted by: Beagle at January 12, 2014 08:32 AM (73dYA)

103 102 Oedipus, I used to have #4 mk 1*, and a Enfield .22 training rifle, a M1 carbine and a bunch of other stuff until that tragic boating accident. Posted by: Putter Damn boats. Seems to be an epidemic.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 12, 2014 08:44 AM (Tjkt6)

104 Does anyone have a good source for M16A1 furniture? My wife was so impressed with my recent AR build she wants one. But, she wants it built like an old school M16A1 like she used during her Army service.

Posted by: Beer Ninja at January 12, 2014 08:54 AM (598AG)

105 105 Beer Ninja at January 12, 2014 12:54 PM (598AG)

http://tinyurl.com/nvr2jew

Retro Black Rifle

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 12, 2014 08:56 AM (TE35l)

106 I saw a great comment on the interwebs the other day:

We are not supposed to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics.
So then why do we judge all gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics?

Posted by: PJ at January 12, 2014 09:04 AM (ZWaLo)

107 Beer Ninja:

http://tinyurl.com/kjozr8w

http://www.uscoreplicas.net/

I think you'll have a challenge in finding an A1 upper receiver and a pencil barrel. Check out Centerfire Systems for an almost-complete set of used A1 parts, which will get you the upper receiver but won't help you with the barrel.

Also, register with AR15.com. They have a whole Retro forum section you can ask questions of, and an Equipment Exchange where you might be able to source those hard-to-find parts.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 09:05 AM (celt+)

108

93 "This is haute couture in our house."

When I went back to Los Angeles for the big Operation Gratitude Millionth Package event, I visited my old favorite coffee shop (M Street Coffee, Studio City). (OpGratitude,com)

Stuck on my training Stetson (big hat, no band), a Cedar Creek camo shirt worn open over a "We Don't Dial 911 in Texas T-shirt, jeans and boots. Stuck a big ole wad of gum in one cheek and stood in line with a fake spit cup in one hand. They freaked until they recognized me under the hat and 'stache.

Posted by: Judgmental White Person at January 12, 2014 09:05 AM (XO6WW)

109 108 Sportsman's Guide has been selling surplus M16A1 kits. Original forearm and barrel.

Posted by: Judgmental White Person at January 12, 2014 09:06 AM (XO6WW)

110 Now, if your better half will be satisfied with just the triangle handguards and the A1 pistol grip, you might be good to go with an A2 receiver and heavy barrel. I don't know if the triangle handguards are compatible with the heavy barrel, but I suspect they may be.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 09:07 AM (celt+)

111 110 - I think they're sold out of that. All they show is a kit with the quad rail forend and collapsible stock. Also, I don't think that previous kit (or this one) included a barrel.

D'oh - and it seems the Centerfire kit is actually not including the stock and handguard.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 09:13 AM (celt+)

112 I was going to build myself a "looks like it from twenty feet away" XM-177 style carbine with an A1 receiver and a slip-over fake moderator. Got tired of waiting for A1 upper receivers to come back in stock, so I just bought an A2. Now it'll be a forty-feet-away build.

Meh. It'll still look salty.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 09:17 AM (celt+)

113 Thanks for the tips guys. She does want it with the old triangle hand guards. I do seem to remember from my days as a unit armorer that the old handguards are compatible with the heavier a2 barrel. Since I'm stuck in CA this will be on an 80% lower to give the state a big FU on thier new long gun registration.

Posted by: Beer Ninja at January 12, 2014 09:18 AM (598AG)

114 114 - Cool. Should be an easy build, then.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 09:21 AM (celt+)

115 Posted by: Judgmental White Person at January 12, 2014 01:05 PM (XO6WW) Now that Cedar Creek is some good looking camo, and useful too since half of TX is covered in cedar. Lol on the LA freakout. They don't deal well with different cultures, do they. When I attended Texas A&M back when girls were still a minority, the classrooms had "no tobacco products" signs rather than "no smoking" signs. No dip cups allowed in class.

Posted by: stace at January 12, 2014 09:21 AM (9PXzx)

116 Are any other lurkers or morons planning on attending Shot Show? I'll be there a few days next week.

Posted by: Hvy Mtl Hntr at January 12, 2014 09:33 AM (iC62B)

117 117 - Lucky bastard.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 09:41 AM (celt+)

118 Are any other lurkers or morons planning on attending Shot Show? I'll be there a few days next week. Posted by: Hvy Mtl Hntr at January 12, 2014 01:33 PM (iC62B) You suck. Couldn't go even if I could afford it, I'm covering the shop alone that week.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 12, 2014 09:56 AM (TIIx5)

119 247
Did I ever tell you how much I hate Ben Franklin actors? People hate clowns; I hate Ben Franklins.

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Suppose you were a laughable hack, and suppose you were a Ben Franklin actor. But I repeat myself.

Posted by: Mark Twain actor at January 12, 2014 10:20 AM (celt+)

120 D'oh! Wrong tab!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 12, 2014 10:20 AM (celt+)

121 I'm looking forward to seeing the latest and greatest- it really is a great attitude booster to check out the toolbox of Freedom.

Posted by: Hvy Mtl Hntr at January 12, 2014 10:22 AM (iC62B)

122 I know I'm late to the thread, but for retro AR stuff you should check out Nodak Spud online. Neat stuff.

Posted by: Jaws at January 12, 2014 12:15 PM (Rbtz3)

123 "52 I always like to play the "Rank the best gun designers in the world" game. JMB is obviously #1...."

I think Mannlicher might be a tie with Browning.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at January 12, 2014 02:23 PM (lILC0)

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