February 02, 2014

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1 The story of the man selling a $30,000 rifle for a $200 gift card is like the story of Obama.

Posted by: Mark Muray at February 02, 2014 07:24 AM (Aif/5)

2 No way first!

Posted by: Mr Wolf at February 02, 2014 07:24 AM (By2z5)

3
So even on SB Sunday, no babe with big semi-automatic elbows?  For shame.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 02, 2014 07:27 AM (n0DEs)

4 Gun of the week is too easy. Its a Glock. /journalist

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 02, 2014 07:28 AM (aYjRw)

5 Guns are so mean and kill people. President Obama should take guns away from everyone so that we are all safer. Should love everyone for what they are except Bush who is a liar and a skunk.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at February 02, 2014 07:28 AM (iB0Q2)

6 waited for this my lastest hate machine is a compact .45 which came with 5 10 round mags of course they stick out a little is there like a cover or boot on the market I can buy for them or should I just get 7 rounders? I picked up two Kimber mags but they are like $30 each

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:30 AM (At8tV)

7 Ah, the Sturmgewehr 44. It was pure coincidence that Hugo Schmeisser, head of the Haenel design group, was captured by the Russkies and pressed into service at their arms design bureau at roughly the same time they were developing the AK-47.

The two greatest Soviet triumphs, the AK-47 and Sputnik, sure had lots of Germans in the vicinity.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 07:30 AM (celt+)

8

Andy, you can always find visual filler, of girls with guns n' sharp elbows.....  EAA Firearms ads.  Look 'em up, but wear safety glasses.  Remember, some of those elbows are SHARP!

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 02, 2014 07:31 AM (vvk2F)

9 The two greatest Soviet triumphs, the AK-47 and Sputnik, sure had lots of Germans in the vicinity. ------ Try walking into the NASA control room in the sixties and shouting heil hitler. They'd fall all over themselves jumping to attention.

Posted by: Mallory Archer at February 02, 2014 07:33 AM (Aif/5)

10 Ahhh, the gun that gave the term 'assault rifle' to the masses.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2014 07:33 AM (9+w3c)

11 also, if the legendary Andrew shows up, have you read "when cops kill, the aftermath of a critical incident"? finished it Friday, very informative

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:35 AM (At8tV)

12 Gun storage?

Some people love Harbor Freight
Some people hate Harbor Freight

I noticed that the reviews for this Executive Safe all address firearm storage.

http://tinyurl.com/2dx5ftg


If you live near a store, go and touch it.
Price vs quality is a matrix that only the individual purchaser can answer.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2014 07:35 AM (w3OHe)

13 my lastest hate machine is a compact .45 Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 11:30 AM (At8tV) What is it? I've thinking about getting a small .45.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 07:37 AM (LKJt3)

14 I'm very interested in safe recommendations. We have 4 kiddos so a gun safe is an absolute must before we bring a gun into the house. What I'm looking for: Something that is quick and easy to get into for us, but impossible for the kids/an intruder. And....Go!

Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2014 07:37 AM (hFL/3)

15 12 Price vs quality is a matrix imho, when you are dealing with weapons you always go with quality same for scuba gear

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:37 AM (At8tV)

16 As far as safes go, mine is a big Champion (I forgot the model number).  About 5.5' x 3'.  I went with electronic lock, de-humidifier, LED lighting kit, and had it bolted to the garage floor.  Just to be sure.

I even built a cabinet around it with doors and storage above for all my cleaning supplies.  When the garage door is open you can't tell there is a safe in there from the street.

Question:  Am I the only one who keeps their ammo in the safe?

Posted by: Bayou City at February 02, 2014 07:38 AM (HDxwj)

17 9 Try walking into the NASA control room in the sixties and shouting heil hitler. They'd fall all over themselves jumping to attention. Posted by: Mallory Archer at February 02, 2014 11:33 AM (Aif/5) LOL. It would be interesting to consider an alternative history in which Germany won WWII from a standpoint of technology, with all those German scientists staying in Germany. How far ahead of the rest of the world would they be by now? OK, maybe this belongs in the book thread.

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2014 07:38 AM (sdi6R)

18 Here's a little tip to help you get on paper faster when sighting in a new rifle. If it's a bolt action, or an AR, or any design that allows you to remove the bolt and look down the barrel from behind, you can boresight.

Put the rifle in a cradle. You can use a cardboard box that has notches cut out at opposite ends to hold the rifle at the front and back. Now pick out your target at the distance you're sighting for (let's say 100 yards). Adjust the cradle until you can see the target when you look down the barrel. Now look through your sights/scope and adjust until they're on the target as well. Go back and check that the bore is still centered on the target. When you're all matched up, you're boresighted. This should hopefully be enough to get you on paper with your first shots.

The beauty is that you can do this at home, sighting out of your window at a convenient target. Just make sure you're far enough away from the window that your neighbors won't be phoning the cops about the sniper across the street.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 07:39 AM (celt+)

19 That StG probably has a thing that goes up. It's hard to tell, though, because it's sideways in that picture.

Posted by: Carolyn McCarthy at February 02, 2014 07:39 AM (JQuNB)

20 Also waiting for the pointy elbow thread before the game...GO Hawks!

Posted by: Paladin at February 02, 2014 07:39 AM (kIkMu)

21 BC: No need of a safe. You can store them at my place.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 02, 2014 07:39 AM (l3vZN)

22 13 a springfield V10 3.6" barrel fits my hand like a glove, even better than my beretta storm I was told it replaced the officer issue colt

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:39 AM (At8tV)

23 Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2014 11:38 AM (sdi6R) Iron Sky!

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2014 07:40 AM (9+w3c)

24 Delivery costs on safes can be significant.

Costco occasionally has sales in which they include delivery and setup.

That's what I did and it was great.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2014 07:40 AM (QFxY5)

25 Question: Am I the only one who keeps their ammo in the safe?

Nope... in case of a fire you have to tell the firefighter to stand back and let it burn.

No sure what this will do for the insurance settlement...

Posted by: Paladin at February 02, 2014 07:42 AM (kIkMu)

26 18 ill try this when the sun comes out I tried to sight the newest AR and due to the 25 yards limit could bring the rounds down didn't help I was using the 22long conversion

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:43 AM (At8tV)

27 RE safes - My old boss knows more but manual dial lock hands down. Been a long time but an S&G 6730 (I believe) or something comparable is a good choice. Make sure it has a good fire rating. If it can have that and be bolted to the floor so much the better. Don't remember ever working a theft where the bad guy drilled, or attempted to drill the safe but at least a 1/4 inch of hard plate between the lock and dial is still a good idea. Only locksmithed for 10 years and it's been about that long since I have so...

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2014 07:43 AM (GhSTE)

28 This time last week, I was at the range, finally putting fluffy to good use!  So fun!!!  97 rounds with my fluffy and also shot a couple rounds with friends' guns.  One a very sweet little automatic with all the action on the inside (so the outside was completely smooth) -- belonged to my friend's grandfather from, iirc, 1913.  Also another buddy had me shoot his AR. 

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 07:44 AM (8lmkt)

29 If anyone is interested, Sig is having a buy one .45 1911, get a free .22 1911 promotion.

Posted by: traye at February 02, 2014 07:44 AM (iL9QP)

30 Brent The factor that i look at is fire rating. The temp and length of time play a big factor in what i even consider. I am linking two different sites that you can look at. http://superiorgunsafes.com/ http://www.cannonsafe.com/

Posted by: cowboyup at February 02, 2014 07:45 AM (wG6KW)

31 25 same here, but we keep an extra mag with the guns in the lockboxes the guns themselves are loaded with one in the pipe of course

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:45 AM (At8tV)

32 "Try walking into the NASA control room in the sixties and shouting heil hitler. They'd fall all over themselves jumping to attention. Posted by: Mallory Archer"

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Touche...

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 07:46 AM (celt+)

33 There's a replica Stg '44 in .22LR that's been released recently that's kinda fun. It's a bit heavy for a .22 rifle in general, but it looks great and is a neat conversation piece. As for the gun cabinet question, you need to define what the goal is: protection from thieves, fire, kids, etc. If you really want protection, you need a gun safe, which is pretty expensive, but protects against everything. If you're more concerned about kids getting into the guns, you can get a simple gun cabinet...it's basically a locker setup for guns. It won't delay a determined burglar or fire, but it will keep youth out. I bought a two door model from Stack-On and was very pleased: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Stack-On-10-Gun-Double-Door-Security-Cabinet-Black/20753951 Added a small pistol cabinet on top that attaches, so plenty of storage space for rifle, pistols, ammo, and accessories!

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 02, 2014 07:46 AM (jCIoO)

34 Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 11:39 AM (At8tV) Does it use the same mags as a M1911?

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 07:46 AM (LKJt3)

35 Remington has a $75 rebate on the 1911 R1 for the next few months. Remmie has earned itself a poor rep the last few years, but I've heard nothing but good about the R1.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 07:47 AM (celt+)

36 Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 11:44 AM (8lmkt) About time. Haven't you owned fluffy for about 5 years?

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 07:48 AM (LKJt3)

37 Also another buddy had me shoot his AR.
Posted by: Peaches

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Peaches, last week I predicted you'd take to it like tiramisu. Was I right?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 07:49 AM (celt+)

38 @13

I just picked up a used Citadel 1911 A1 45ACP.  New, they are ~$550 from Academy.  I traded for mine, but it was for sale for $450. 

Made in the Phillipines by the same company that make RIA pistols.  Solid steel frame and slide, 3" barrel.  Dang tight build for what it is.  If it's for carrying, you might find it a bit on the heavy side, but that works for you when you shoot it.

I got it for the truck and bedside.  I've got the full size Les Baer locked up tight in the safe. 

Posted by: Bayou City at February 02, 2014 07:50 AM (HDxwj)

39

Pro-Tip on gun safes.

 

 

If it's 59" tall, it's almost certainly made in China.  A full 60" will (more than likely) be a U.S. made product.

 

 

For Chinese safes, cut those fire ratings about in half.  We could get into raging physics wars on how the moisture content in gypsum works in a fire, but suffice to say that China isn't eggzaktly known for quality sheetrock.

 

 

And also, virtually every "gunsafe" sold, is at best, a Residential Security Container, falling well short of the UL listing requirements for a "safe" or "vault".  If you want to see what the good stuff really is, try Graffunder Safes.  Be ready to take out a 2nd mortgage, while you're at it.

 

 

I'm happy with my "Red-Head", 60"x30"x22" gunsafe (RSC, actually), the house brand of Bass Pro, actually manufactured by Granite Safes, in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area.  For a few years, Granite went with a Chinese manufacturer, but persistent quality issues and a lack of production control....well, they're building 'em in the USA once again.  Oh, and all those Winchester brand safes you'd see at Sam's Club?   Made by Granite.

 

 

But seriously, do your homework DEEP into the safe industry.  You'll be sickened when learning that even many "Made in USA" safes are really just final-assembled here, from Made in China components.

 

 

This is an area where the learning curve will amaze you, and where some of the debates are epic, stubborn, opinionated, delve very deeply into science, physics and voodoo....  ideal stomping grounds for Morons and Moronettes!

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 02, 2014 07:50 AM (vvk2F)

40 LOL, feels like it, ExSnipe.  Actually, I got her on June 3.  It was getting pretty embarrassing!

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 07:50 AM (8lmkt)

41 Sorry, the S&G 6730 is the lock not the safe. Also I recommend Duracell batteries if you have an electronic lock that isn't self powered.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2014 07:50 AM (+jNI+)

42 34 Does it use the same mags as a M1911? yep T's Kimber came with 2 7rd mags, I need more for her and me I saw on gunbroker they have 5 7rds for like 90 bucks, may buy some there

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:50 AM (At8tV)

43 the guns themselves are loaded with one in the pipe of course.

I'm not a big fan of that..the sound of racking one in the chamber can prevent a gunfight.  I've often thought an alarm that has the a recording of a 12 gauge slide being rack would be nice feature.  Sure as hell would wake me up faster than "OH my husband is home!"

Posted by: Paladin at February 02, 2014 07:51 AM (kIkMu)

44 Peaches, last week I predicted you'd take to it like tiramisu. Was I right?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 11:49 AM (celt+)


You don't blow through 97 rounds in less than 2 hours if you're hating it, Taro!  Yeah, I loved it.  My first time shooting at a range -- I've only shot in fields and stuff before.  NOT fun standing next to rude assholes with their semi-automatics and their brass flying all over me and my stuff.  Other than that, the people were great out there, it was really fun!

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 07:52 AM (8lmkt)

45 43 I figure T is just waiting to claim she thought I was a burgler to get the insurance and that's why we store them like that

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:54 AM (At8tV)

46 Well, I had the SW MP15 Sport upper receiver, pistol grip and flash hider left over after cannibalizing it for two builds. So of course I had to rationalize building another upper. Mission accomplished. I picked up a lightweight ER Shaw barrel assembly in .223. I figured that since the receiver didn't have a FA or dust cover, it would be good for a lightweight build. The second rationalization is that my other two uppers are 5.56mm (1/7 and 1/9). So now I have a dedicated upper for .223.

Slapped a polymer railed handguard on it which will get white-painted ladder rail covers. Gonna paint the grip and a couple of mags white as well, just because I've always thought winter camo looks pretty salty. That's the third rationalization.

That should scratch the itch for awhile. Until I decide that for some reason I need a .300 Blackout upper.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 07:57 AM (celt+)

47 45 NOT fun standing next to rude assholes with their semi-automatics and their brass flying all over me and my stuff. pro-tip: stay as far right on the line as you can if a fool fans the line (points the barrel in a bad location ex: while racking the slide) he'll almost always do it to the left

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:57 AM (At8tV)

48 Posted by: Bayou City at February 02, 2014 11:50 AM (HDxwj) Thanks. I'll look at that one too.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 07:57 AM (LKJt3)

49 Has to be an AK variant.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 02, 2014 07:58 AM (T2V/1)

50 46 Until I decide that for some reason I need a .300 Blackout upper ha, i'm looking at one on gun broker now for $550

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 07:58 AM (At8tV)

51 NOT fun standing next to rude assholes with their semi-automatics and their brass flying all over me and my stuff. Other than that, the people were great out there, it was really fun! Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 11:52 AM (8lmkt) Best move I made was joining a private club where I can go whenever I want - during daylight of course. 100 bucks a year is worth it to not deal with range rambos.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2014 07:59 AM (9+w3c)

52 One other safe company to look at. http://www.championsafe.com/

Posted by: cowboyup at February 02, 2014 07:59 AM (wG6KW)

53 48 the V10's are obsolete now and will easily run you a grand I got one for $600 at the shop heard the price and snatched it up immediately

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:00 AM (At8tV)

54 Peaches,

"NOT fun standing next to rude assholes with their semi-automatics and their brass flying all over me and my stuff. Other than that, the people were great out there, it was really fun!"

Get yourself a Mini 14 or Mini 30 and you can knock em' down with flying brass!  Those things will throw brass into the next county.

Posted by: Bayou City at February 02, 2014 08:01 AM (HDxwj)

55 Navycopjoe, I don't know what you're looking for as far as maker and bells and whistles, but here's a CMMG at Exile Machine for five-and-a-quarter:

http://tinyurl.com/keswzo4

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2014 08:01 AM (celt+)

56 51 we have one private but its $300 a year and you have to use their ammo which of course is twice the price then there's the newly opened outdoor public one where of course everyone was a sniper or SEAL

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:02 AM (At8tV)

57 Looks like I was wrong.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 02, 2014 08:02 AM (T2V/1)

58 {i]...just waiting to claim she thought I was a burgler to get the insurance and that's why we store them like that

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 11:54 AM (At8tV){/i]


My wife is partial to wheel guns, so I won't get any warning.

Posted by: Paladin at February 02, 2014 08:02 AM (kIkMu)

59 Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 11:50 AM (At8tV) Don't need any new ones. I have about a dozen mags I bought years ago, for a couple bucks each.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 08:03 AM (LKJt3)

60 One of the guys had a little black net basket deal that attached to the side of his weapon and caught his brass.  It looked kind of dorky, but it was really very cool.  I saved all my brass and gave it to my friend who reloads -- easy for me, though, with a revolver.

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 08:03 AM (8lmkt)

61 I have a photo of my spouse's great uncle decked out in his Gebirgsjaeger kit sporting a Sturmgewehr 44 in Finland ca. 1945.

Posted by: RS at February 02, 2014 08:04 AM (YAGV/)

62 Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 12:02 PM (At8tV Mine is set up where you basically pay that 100 for the gate code. I really have days when I am the only one there.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2014 08:04 AM (9+w3c)

63

pro-tip: stay as far right on the line as you can
if a fool fans the line (points the barrel in a bad location ex: while racking the slide) he'll almost always do it to the left

 

Wish I had know that when I took my CC range test way back when.  Live and learn.

 

Congrats Peaches!

Posted by: Infidel at February 02, 2014 08:04 AM (6bvBO)

64 55 im looking for one with no front sight, I can't add the optics and pop-up sights i'm going for this one, with bid in a few hours http://tinyurl.com/n2vqugc

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:06 AM (At8tV)

65 I endorse this safe without reservation:
http://beesafeusa.com/snapsafe/

You can take it apart, if you have to move (or to move it), in a half hour into pieces that one hearty operator can move without a crew. Delivered by regular package service, unlike the big names which require a dedicated truck at considerable cost. Assembled, it is as sturdy, airtight and fireproof as any safe, and has all the same features. Not especially expensive as safes go, and marketed by a multiple national champion. 

Yes we have one. We like it very much.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 08:06 AM (xq1UY)

66  My first gun safe was a converted up rite freezer. Lockable and who would look in a freezer for firearms.

Posted by: Farmer at February 02, 2014 08:08 AM (CKkWS)

67 63 besides being the most hated in the military..a navycop, i'm also the most hated of shooters...a RSO, I see it all the time (also a range master and instructor) not bad for a democrat

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:09 AM (At8tV)

68 4 Gun of the week is too easy. Its a Glock. You make funny joke, everyone knows that's a mussel loader. Why they ever loaded mussels is beyond me, they taste just great with a nice red sauce.

Posted by: CNN Editors at February 02, 2014 08:10 AM (0FSuD)

69 OT: the groundhog saw his shadow suck it snow dwellers back to boomsticks

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:11 AM (At8tV)

70 I saw this post by Matt Bracken at WRSA last night. I linked it earlier in an open thread, since I didn't know when the gun thread would show up. Dear Mr. Security Agent http://tinyurl.com/kz7kdff It's pretty strong stuff. I would say it falls under the category of "fair warning". It's sad that our country has come to this point, but it has.

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2014 08:14 AM (sdi6R)

71 This range was jam packed on a Sunday morning.  There aren't a whole lot of places in the LA area -- this was about 30 miles from me, kinda out in the boonies, looked like mostly non-fancy horse properties and meth labs.  It was $15, but I had a $2 off coupon.  During the week it's cheaper and half price Tuesdays for 55 and over.

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 08:14 AM (8lmkt)

72 71 get thee butt out here and we'll open the arsenal for you

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:15 AM (At8tV)

73 But seriously, do your homework DEEP into the safe industry. You'll be sickened when learning that even many "Made in USA" safes are really just final-assembled here, from Made in China components.


This is an area where the learning curve will amaze you, and where some of the debates are epic, stubborn, opinionated, delve very deeply into science, physics and voodoo.... ideal stomping grounds for Morons and Moronettes!



Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 02, 2014 11:50 AM (vvk2F)


Well, living in a deep rural area, I have serious doubts that one of those "RSC" safes would be of any use at all. Burglars are opportunistic bastards. Why leave a red flag out that says "Guns! Bust in here."? I simply make sure that my firearms are well hidden in the house, such that a quick scan by burglars wouldn't turn them up. There are plenty of blind cavities in most homes that could be made into hidey-holes for pistols and long guns by anyone with a little skill.



Would such a hiding place withstand a dedicated search by law enforcement? Probably not, but then, neither will a big-dollar gun safe. If LE confiscation is a concern, then maybe have a cheap-ass gun safe, with some cheap-ass guns for them to find, and the good stuff well-hidden, maybe even off-site.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 02, 2014 08:15 AM (60Q+L)

74 Don't you clingers know that these guns may get up and walk into a child's toy box or something? And pay no attention to the Blaze article debunking our statistics!

Posted by: Diane Sawyer at February 02, 2014 08:16 AM (Aif/5)

75 9 The two greatest Soviet triumphs, the AK-47 and Sputnik, sure had lots of Germans in the vicinity. Vee had no Germans around, for da rockets stuff. And non of us were Nazi's, ha ha

Posted by: Wernher von Braun at February 02, 2014 08:17 AM (0FSuD)

76 Since there's no open thread below this one I'm putting this here. I'll tie it to guns by saying "shoot me now." Caption: Game Day http://tinyurl.com/ohzv8gq

Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2014 08:20 AM (hFL/3)

77 The best gun safe is one that no one sees. I have a false door to a heated and constantly alarmed room. If I was really paranoid, I would have built a solid room with blocks filled with concrete. The problem with that? The assholes that build it will know where it is and why it is there.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 02, 2014 08:20 AM (0FSuD)

78 While it is true that German assault rifle was turned in for a gift card, a sharp eyed police officer removed it from the pile, id'ed it and made arrangements for the owner to have it auctioned or sold to a museum qualified to own the weapon.

Posted by: pat at February 02, 2014 08:20 AM (KCg4m)

79 http://tinyurl.com/kz7kdff

???
The writer is an old friend from Free Republic days.
Pretty much spot-on.
"Interesting Times...."

Posted by: backhoe at February 02, 2014 08:21 AM (ULH4o)

80 @76 Thanks for ruining my day. Note banner United States in English and Spanish. Fuck this guy

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 02, 2014 08:22 AM (0FSuD)

81 My primary gun safe is built in. A beautiful Browning, manual lock. The best defense for theft is guns and ammo in the safe. It is simply too heavy to tote off.

Posted by: pat at February 02, 2014 08:24 AM (KCg4m)

82 Caption: Game Day

http://tinyurl.com/ohzv8gq

Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2014 12:20 PM (hFL/3)


barf!

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 08:24 AM (8lmkt)

83 for the girls http://tinyurl.com/mfrk68a h/t a nice man on the lifestyle fb page

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 25 days until spring training at February 02, 2014 08:24 AM (u8GsB)

84 @76 Wouldn't you say he's "out of the pocket"? IYKWIM.

No offensive line on the field, yet if sacked he whines like Romo. That's my Prez.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 08:25 AM (xq1UY)

85 PG!!!  That is the cutest thing ever!

Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 08:26 AM (8lmkt)

86 peaches!!!! i know!!!! it's really lovely!

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 25 days until spring training at February 02, 2014 08:27 AM (u8GsB)

87 Posted by: Peaches at February 02, 2014 12:14 PM (8lmkt) You should drive out to the desert and find a nice spot to shoot. Not necessarily for accuracy, but just to get used to the weapon. But keep an eye out for drones, they're everywhere.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 08:28 AM (LKJt3)

88 Sorry, Nip Sip. I saw it and, like the video from The Ring, I had to share my misery.

Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2014 08:29 AM (hFL/3)

89 An RSO at my club was giving me a hard time at every cease-fire. I'd pull the mag, rack the slide, and set the firearm down, muzzle downrange. With my left hand. And he's gigging me cuz he can't see the clear chamber. After a while, he'd just shake his head, and move on.

Posted by: Normal man spitting on his hands at February 02, 2014 08:29 AM (agLwc)

90 Liberty safes in San Jose CA. are outstanding.
Also, bring money. They ain't cheap.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 08:30 AM (AW7Gr)

91 89 And he's gigging me cuz he can't see the clear chamber. kind of anal i'd let it go

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:32 AM (At8tV)

92 @89 Suggest you invest heavily in one foot of fluorescent weed-whacker line, and inform your RSO that if he trusts his eyeball for empty chamber he does not have a hair on his obviously-failed-his-certification ass.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 08:33 AM (xq1UY)

93 88 Sorry, Nip Sip. I saw it and, like the video from The Ring, I had to share my misery. OK, don't ever do that shit again!! This guy simply has no fucking shame. It is depressing that no one in the media calls him out. Es Verdad?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 02, 2014 08:33 AM (0FSuD)

94 @91 You're a Democrat.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 08:34 AM (xq1UY)

95

"And he's gigging me cuz he can't see the clear chamber."

I'm waiting for the day we can change the ejection/port direction on pistols like we can on some long guns. Until then, I'm a fan of open top slides

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at February 02, 2014 08:35 AM (PGXA8)

96 oh protip #2: if you're at the range and someone is nice enough to let you use his/her 1911 clone killing stick.....don't hit the release and let the slide slam down its a serious dick move any gun and that's a dick move

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:35 AM (At8tV)

97 And he's gigging me cuz he can't see the clear chamber. --------- Yeah there's a club near me that's like that. That's why I prefer going to a family friends land. Downside is its a clearing in the woods so you can only get about 75 yards from the dirt mound unmolested by trees.

Posted by: Adam at February 02, 2014 08:36 AM (Aif/5)

98 i'd let it go Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 12:32 PM (At8tV And he eventually did, but I still got the disapproving head shake. Worse still was later in the year I was working to be more proficient with the right hand, so he saw me doing it "right" occasionally. So then he thought I was just fucking with him. We've gotten to know each other now. It's amazing how conversation brings understanding.

Posted by: Normal man spitting on his hands at February 02, 2014 08:36 AM (agLwc)

99 94 yes I am in fact i'm the unicorn of politics, a real life blue dog democrat...aka Reagan democrat now pls send food or ammo

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:37 AM (At8tV)

100 One of the better ways to hide firearms (not protect them from fire) is the water heater trick. Get a water heater that has failed, cut out a space opposite of the controls, clean out the inside, paint, etc, stash a few guns in it and place it in a corner where one would expect a water heater. Run a couple of dummy pipes and wiring or vent pipe into a drop ceiling. People walk by water heaters.

Posted by: Bill at February 02, 2014 08:38 AM (uvyrw)

101 Liberty Safes are the ones Glenn Beck advertises for, right?

Posted by: Lauren at February 02, 2014 08:38 AM (hFL/3)

102 you know, there's some paranoid people here today get a safe, alarm system and homeowners insurance

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:39 AM (At8tV)

103 101 Liberty Safes are the ones Glenn Beck advertises for, right? only if they're made of gold ~~sob~~

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:40 AM (At8tV)

104 Buy safes made out of gold!!

Posted by: Benn Gleck at February 02, 2014 08:40 AM (F9q0l)

105 99?

"now pls send food or ammo"

OK- I have a ton of Shanes stuffed potato left over....
( Huge spud, stuffed with cheese & butter & sour cream, loaded with Brunswick stew....)

~shoves some in USB port~

Posted by: backhoe at February 02, 2014 08:41 AM (ULH4o)

106 5 hours left on the 300 upper no one has bid yet so still at $540

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:41 AM (At8tV)

107 The Winchester electric opening we have is a pain in the butt to change batteries. The Liberty manual is much easier.

Posted by: Molly at February 02, 2014 08:42 AM (/VV1j)

108 105 yum!! us tall skinny dudes need to keep the tapeworms happy

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:42 AM (At8tV)

109 Who says Khaki's don't think alike.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2014 08:42 AM (F9q0l)

110 Multiple shooters on the line + no physical empty-chamber indicators = you're going to get someone killed. You should hope it's just you so you don't have to die of shame.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 08:43 AM (xq1UY)

111 mmmm   I like the way the Swiss take care of national security

Posted by: NCwoof at February 02, 2014 08:43 AM (aUQgu)

112 You are not going to find a transferable MP-43/STG-44 for a measly $30k.

Start at $100k.

As for safes ... any of the more spendy ones are OK, Browning, Winchester brand safes, Liberty, Ft. Knox.

They can all be defeated in 5 minutes by a pro: Buy a duplicate safe, take the back cover off the door to examine the workings, make a template, and get a drill hammer out. Underwriter's Labs can defeat most safes in less than two minutes this way.

What is more important is reliability of the lock mechanism, and bolting it down to wall studs or a concrete basement floor so the safe cannot be stolen by some meth-head.

Get any safe with an S&G combination lock, or an S&G electronic lock. Make sure it is heavy enough so a crack-head with a hammer and chisel can't defeat it. Electronic locks are a bit more fragile than combination locks ( fragile as in requiring a locksmith to replace them if they fail ... they will still stay locked ). Combo are more robust, but take longer to open, which may be an issue in an emergency.

If you are going to buy a fireproof, be sure you store your ammo and reloading powder in a locker in a shed away from the house ... the local fire department will refuse to get near your home if ammo is cooking off.




Posted by: Kristophr at February 02, 2014 08:43 AM (c6N69)

113

I'll amend my earlier post. As a lefty shooter, it can be really awkward to hold the pistol, pull the slide back, and check the chamber from the right side.

 

ncj, any particular reason not to use the slide release on my own firearms? Or is it just a courtesy using another's?

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at February 02, 2014 08:44 AM (PGXA8)

114 Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2014 12:14 PM (sdi6R) You just outed yourself as a IIIper. But is sounds a little like Vanderbough's rant from a few years ago.

Posted by: Normal man spitting on his hands at February 02, 2014 08:44 AM (agLwc)

115 That's S -and- G locks.

Stupid ampersands.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 02, 2014 08:45 AM (c6N69)

116   You can't go wrong with a Fort Knox safe.  Solid, secure, and really quite attractive.  Outstanding customer service.

Posted by: Dan in Michigan at February 02, 2014 08:46 AM (2yD4G)

117 for the boys I give you my future wife and her gun NSFW http://tinyurl.com/nx6ugfz

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:46 AM (At8tV)

118 I don't listen to GB enough to say if they advertise on his show or not.
I own one.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 08:47 AM (AW7Gr)

119 Is that a Sturmgewehr in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at February 02, 2014 08:48 AM (Pr6hk)

120 Multiple shooters on the line + no physical empty-chamber indicators = you're going to get someone killed. You should hope it's just you so you don't have to die of shame. Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 12:43 PM (xq1UY Mag out, slide locked open.... it ain't going off without manipulation.

Posted by: Normal man spitting on his hands at February 02, 2014 08:49 AM (agLwc)

121 Only the guards at the re-education camps shall have Sturmgewehrs

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 02, 2014 08:49 AM (Pr6hk)

122 navycopjoe?

They have a website- not sure the spud is listed but the ones locally are wonderful. Huge, never seen bigger potatoes. You can have them stuffed with stew or BBQ. I've been eating this thing a week and there is a ton left.

BTW, my late wife was a Dem- a conservative Southern Democrat- we got along fine.

Posted by: backhoe at February 02, 2014 08:49 AM (ULH4o)

123 113 its been said that it can damage the slide stop also if done with an empty chamber can damage the extractor and possibly the frame

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:51 AM (At8tV)

124 Tamp 'em up solid.

Posted by: Dan Rather at February 02, 2014 08:51 AM (Pr6hk)

125 backhoe:

If your wife was still alive, the marxists would have driven her into the Republican Party.

Bill Clinton is only tolerated because he still brings in the bucks.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 02, 2014 08:52 AM (c6N69)

126 122 i'm in Hawaii, shipping food here is usually a no-no so we make everything fresh...plus after living in Italy we do that anyway T is a hardcore conservative repub from the south she says i'm a repub in denial

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:54 AM (At8tV)

127

123

k thanks. I have read elsewhere to be gentle closing the slide on an empty chamber, but never any reasons attached.

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at February 02, 2014 08:55 AM (PGXA8)

128 DiT football up

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 02, 2014 08:56 AM (T2V/1)

129 127 one of the local shops here will not sell you a handgun if you do it the owner will tell you to read up on handling first hmmm, the range is about to open in a couple minutes and I have a fresh set of targets on the frame and an ar that needs a couple hundred rounds put through it

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 08:58 AM (At8tV)

130 I was watching a movie on Netflix (forget what it was, it was not so good) anyway at one scene a sniper rifle was revealed and the actor describing said it was "555 by 762 with a bayonet suppressor".

That was it, had to turn it off.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 09:01 AM (AW7Gr)

131 Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 12:51 PM (At8tV)

I agree about using a slide release on an empty chamber. But firing a semi-auto cycles the slide just like releasing the slide stop would.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2014 09:01 AM (QFxY5)

132 Put a Zielgerät 1229 Vampir on that MP44 and it would be perfect for nighttime hobo hunting.

Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2014 09:05 AM (TKFmG)

133 What is it? I've thinking about getting a small .45. Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 11:37 AM (LKJt3) I have the Glock 36 and I haven't decided if I like it or not yet. I bought it a few months ago and the weather has been too shitty to shoot it more than a couple of times. The pluses are that it fits my hand well, it points well, recoil isn't bad at all, it groups well. Minuses are mag only holds six rounds, it seems picky about ammo, with several failures to feed with handloads that work fine in my 1911, and it shoots high and to the left. The rear sight can be adjusted for windage, but there doesn't seem to be any adjustment for elevation.

Posted by: Iowa Bob at February 02, 2014 09:06 AM (SREVj)

134 131 agreed but the cycled bullet also acts as buffer I was forced trained to practice like I play so I always rack it by hand plus with my luck I would screw it up and armorers are really expensive

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 09:08 AM (At8tV)

135 How about American Security safes? This is pretty similar to what I have: http://tinyurl.com/mqwvkub I bought it about five years ago and am happy with it. My house hasn't caught fire or been broken into, though, so it hasn't been put to the test.

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2014 09:09 AM (sdi6R)

136 nck is loading boxes into the lunchbag looks like i'm taking her shooting we use a coleman hot/cold soft carrier for ammo because ammo has to be separated from the weapons

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 09:12 AM (At8tV)

137 Go on youtube,type in firearms education,search channel for gun safe vids.There is a guy that knows more about safes then most anybody.Very informative.

Posted by: shama lamadingdong at February 02, 2014 09:12 AM (q8Cyz)

138 The main feature of a good safe is one that thieves can't carry off the whole thing and should fire rated for at least an hour at fire temps.

Also, never locate a safe any place where it could fall on someone if a fire started underneath. Your local firefighters will appreciate the consideration.

Mine is set in to concrete in my garage.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 09:18 AM (AW7Gr)

139
mmmm I like the way the Swiss take care of national security

Posted by: NCwoof at February 02, 2014 12:43 PM (aUQgu)








Old joke about the Swiss.

Before WWI, the Kaiser visited Switzerland on a state visit, and he was present at a Grand Review of the Swiss Army. While standing on the stage, he asked a Swiss general how many men he had under arms.

"Once we receive the mobilization order, we can have 1 million men under arms in 24 hours."

The Kaiser sneers "And what if I were to invade Switzerland with 5 million men?"

"Each of my boys fires 5 shots, and then we go home."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 02, 2014 09:19 AM (aYjRw)

140 @120 Slide locks fail. Your personal say-so that your chamber is empty is also subject to error. This is why empty-chamber indicators are made.

I won't argue with you any more, but you are just internet-tough-guy wrong on this.
There isn't any excuse for doing things fatally dangerous when it's so simple to master the safety habits required by every competition rule book.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 09:23 AM (xq1UY)

141 okay, trying taro's sighting thingie right now before we leave for the range hope the guys in the hotel across from us don't freak out

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 09:27 AM (At8tV)

142 Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 02, 2014 01:23 PM (xq1UY) When the slide is locked back, what exactly will the empty chamber indicator indicate? Nobody's trying to be a keyboard commando here, you just seem extraordinarily nervous about such things. NCJ is an RSO, he'd let it go. The RSO at my club let it go. You should too.

Posted by: Normal man spitting on his hands at February 02, 2014 09:33 AM (agLwc)

143 Posted by: Iowa Bob at February 02, 2014 01:06 PM (SREVj) Thanks for the info.

Posted by: ExSnipe at February 02, 2014 09:34 AM (LKJt3)

144 #71 - Saugus?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 02, 2014 09:35 AM (XO6WW)

145 My turn. From reading the previous comments, I assume that the intent of a safe is to store one's non-self-defense firearms; anything (and its magazines and ammo) intended for self-defense at 2:00AM will be stored not in the safe. Trying to open a safe, in response to a wakeup alarm from breaking glass or a door being forced open, strikes me as a very bad plan. A safe indicates something of value is present ... guns, jewelry, cash ... not a good advertisement in most places. Big safes require very public deliveries, by big trucks. A locksmith who had a used TL-30 jeweler's safe for sale mentioned these points to me. There is something to be said for a cabinet the size of the HF (or maybe the Lowe's or HD) "executive" unit. The door is thick enough so that it will slow down a couple of fools (a claw hammer won't do it), probably enough so that they will move on. But the units are cheap ... get 2, maybe 3 ... which one first? Mount them in inconvenient ways (in a corner; door hinge side is away from the walls, etc.) in inconvenient locations (the side of a coat closed) to make access with pry bars difficult. A fire-resistant box or 2, for car titles, wills, deeds, insurance, maybe a revolver, is still needed, and can be stored inside the larger units. WHen stored inside a fire-resistant cabinet, this does make the fire boxes much more likely to preserve their contents ... unaffected.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 02, 2014 09:35 AM (FlRtG)

146 When I lived down the Bayah' a few years after Katrina I was looking for a used SUV. Every Tuesday morning the local want ad paper came out and showed up at the corner gas station about 8:00 am. One morning I picked it up and started thumbing through it. Found an ad that said "MP44 for sale $1000". This was about 8:30 AM. I called and called and called but there was never any answer and no address listed. That night there was an item in the regular newspaper that ATF had seized an unregistered StG 44 machine gun. If only I had picked up the paper earlier...

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at February 02, 2014 09:37 AM (PdsnX)

147 I always have my handgun available when I am at home.
All the others are in the safe.
The other thing you can do is leave the safe unlocked while you are home.
Just remember to lock up when you leave.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 09:39 AM (AW7Gr)

148 Andy, did you catch the 20/20 hit piece on guns a few nights ago? It was all about children and guns and the Captain Obvious-levels of agenda-driven slant rose to new, preposterous levels. With about 10 minutes left in an hour-long program they decided to beef up their fair-and-balanced bona fides with 3 whole minutes of coverage about how guns save lives. Which, of course, was followed with 5 more minutes of "but, but, but..." It's worth watching, just for the giggles, if nothing else.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 02, 2014 09:40 AM (DmNpO)

149 Way late to this thread, but I'd throw in some interesting videos...

The Gerat 06 and 06H:  http://is.gd/F4bXnl

And, the VG1-5 (ultra-rare working model):  http://is.gd/tPkjHJ

(From the YT Forgotten Weapons channel... lots of rare and interesting weapons, and book reviews.)

I'll repeat these next gun thread.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at February 02, 2014 09:49 AM (lJaja)

150 I keep two pistols with magazines loaded and nothing chambered; one in the dresser drawer next to my bed and one at the other end of the house in a drawer in my office. Spare rounds are in the ammo boxes in the closet. We don't have small kids at home, and everyone in my house can shoot either pistol, and the shotguns. When my granddaughter comes over, all weapons and ammo go in the closet on the top shelf except the personal CCW (that goes in the drawer), and she knows she is not allowed in our room. She'll learn respect for, and how to handle weapons (bladed and firearms) as soon as she is old enough to pick one up.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 02, 2014 09:56 AM (60Vyp)

151 Navyjoecop, We have a bunch of Wilson Combat magazines we use in our Kimbers.

Posted by: lindafell at February 02, 2014 09:58 AM (PGO8C)

152 As for stealth, I don't care who sees my safe. You are not getting in to it, and you are not carrying it away, not even you and three others. 

If you do either of those things, you jolly well deserve it.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 09:59 AM (AW7Gr)

153 151 I was looking at them too also about $30 each

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 10:02 AM (At8tV)

154 I just went through the research phase of gun safe buying and ended up going w/ a Cannon CA 23. It's a 24 gun safe w/ a UL rating for burglary and a 1 hr fire rating. Cost: $1300 including sales tax & installation. Check out this brand as it's a good value for the money.. Features vs price & all that. This came w/ the door pockets, LED lights, and a digital/mechanical combo lock. They call it the EMP Lock. The warranty covers natural flooding(unique), in addition to fire/burglary, and is transferable. Go for at least 1hr fire rating. 12 ga. Steel is fine for residential use and is what most safes you can afford are using. Professional safe crackers like the kind in the movies aren't going to be why you need a safe for 99.9% of the time so save your $10,000 for the currency of the future: cigarettes and ammunition. Check Craigslist in your area, you might get lucky or you'll at least discover some safe vendors in your are. Check out the gun shows. I got mine from a guy who sells safes @ the gun shoe and saved $300 from list price, which is all you'll find if you google these safes or buy them at a retail outlet.

Posted by: RedHeadedStepChild at February 02, 2014 10:34 AM (yrSgX)

155 If you are in Washington;

http://www.nwsafe.com/

Has a nice assortment, the price includes delivery, and there is no sales-tax.
It's where I got mine.
Good people and good service...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 02, 2014 10:46 AM (w0lJR)

156 When I bought my safe, the main consideration was size. I knew where I wanted to put it and anything wider would have blocked a heating vent. It's big enough for my needs, though. I don't have that many guns. Mine has a 45 minute fire rating. Obviously longer is better. Which raises the question: How long does it take for a typical house to burn to the ground, in a worst-case scenario?

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2014 11:03 AM (sdi6R)

157 "How long does it take for a typical house to burn to the ground, in a worst-case scenario?"

I don't think there is such a thing as "typical" in that regard.
I have seen some places be fully involved by the time the FD responded.
In which case the FD is there only to contain the blaze and keep it from spreading.

Posted by: navybrat at February 02, 2014 11:41 AM (AW7Gr)

158 "Which raises the question: How long does it take for a typical house to burn to the ground, in a worst-case scenario?" I avoided this question, because the time is quite variable. The peak and average fire temperature are also variable. Further, the question of "How long is the fire allowed to burn?" comes into play. Will the fire be put out in 20 minutes (and was the safe within the fire?), or was it a 2-hour burn to the ground? Finally, the question of "what temperature will the contents of the safe reach?" must be considered. For a 20 minute fire, maybe, with good luck, the safe exterior never saw 1400 deg F. On a 2-hour burn, I'm guessing 2300 deg F. Paper ignites at 450 deg F. But steel will heat-treat/re-heat-treat/turn-to-scrap when it reaches about 300-350 deg F. Firing a firearm that has reached 350 deg F is a very bad idea IMO. I'd rather collect the insurance money and have to re-equip myself. I live in an apartment, so the risk of fire is slightly higher, and I feel the need to NOT advertise that I may or may not have guns and valuables. Therefore, I see a cabinet or 2, like the HF "Executive", for $300, as a good choice. If I had a house in a reasonable neighborhood, I'd spend much more money: 2-hours at 2300 deg F, and maybe even TL-20 break-in resistance.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 02, 2014 11:51 AM (FlRtG)

Posted by: Arbalest at February 02, 2014 11:51 AM (FlRtG)

160 rickl I wouldn't even begin to give an answer on that question. I was givin some good advice on placement though that does make sense. Place the safe in a corner of the house or along the outer wall versus in the middle or closer to the inside of the house. The heat will still be high but not as high as in the middle of the house.

Posted by: cowboyup at February 02, 2014 11:52 AM (wG6KW)

161 TL-20 >> TL 30

Posted by: Arbalest at February 02, 2014 11:52 AM (FlRtG)

162 Rock Island .45's an exact copy of the 1911 45 acp at cheaperthandirt for $399 (New in box). Made in the Philippines but I've heard good things about them. Just ordered one will let ya all know what I think when it arrives. Also ordered an Ishapore Enfield No 4 MK1 (with the wire wrapping so it didn't blow apart while launching grenades) from AIM surplus. All the British ones were gone. Can't believe how fast they sold out. It is WWII vintage and shootable, will let ya all know when it arrives. For you enfield fans out there, Aim Surplus has been getting small lots of various Enfields. If you go to the site and sign up and click 'notify me when avaliable" they will send you an email when they come in. They sell out so quick now, they don't even put them on the site, they send out the emails.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 02, 2014 11:56 AM (cCxiu)

163

AIM Surplus seems like a nice outfit.  Have actually only bought ammo there, once, but nearly tapped into their Mosin-Nagants a few times.  Called them for a selection request and they were friendly and cooperative.  And during the last panic (2009-2010) their mainstream ammo prices and availability (9mm, 38, 45ACP) were usually far better than most - now I reload and so don't price/look for ammo much.

 

Didn't the "rebels" find some gubamint warehouse in Syria with 5,000 STG-44s new-in-box (actually, greased and in original German crates)?  Makes perfect sense, if true.  Soviet military foreign aid (like ours) often included WWII surplus in the 50s/60s; the USSR provided Syria under Assad pere a crap ton of conventional military aid starting after the Six Day War (I think after), no stretch to imagine them sending some of their vast stock of German booty from May 1945.   Story was that the rebels had no use for the things, as their caliber is not available for ammo.  Imagine several thousand new/like-new STG-44s like that.  Too bad (again, if true) some very enterprising wildman didn't get collector investors and mount an expedition to "rescue" the guns.  I'd guess just wads of cash would suffice, for the most part, to get the things, as they had no military use for the opposition.

 

Oh, and dead dead thread.  My name ain't willow, but I sub for her on occasion.

 

Posted by: non-purist at February 02, 2014 12:05 PM (afQnV)

164 STG 44's in Syria. It would not surprise me. They have a crap load of Mauser broomhandle pistols over in China the military has been holding since the revolution. A lot them rusty (not stored correctly). But some enterprising young fella with cash, and an electrolysis tank could make a bundle. You would have to warehouse them in another country for at least 5 years to be able to duck the Clinton era ban on Chinese weapons import. But you could sell them straight up in Canada and some other countries.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 02, 2014 12:21 PM (cCxiu)

165 "123 113 its been said that it can damage the slide stop
also if done with an empty chamber can damage the extractor and possibly the frame

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 02, 2014 12:51 PM (At8tV)"



Using the slide release on a 1911 to release the slide will damage the gun?  In particular the steel frame?


There are only two logical possibilities:



1)  This is an old wives' tale and untrue.



2) The Model 1911 .45 pistol is an outdated piece of crap antique and has about as much business being used for self defense in the 21st century as a muzzle loading cap and ball revolver or a matchlock arquebus, however much fun they might be to shoot at the range.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at February 02, 2014 12:45 PM (BcCwi)

166 The Rock Island 1911s are a great value. Make sure to get the "tactical" models, as they have better sights (really, more easily replaced sights). The front sight on the "GI" model is crap, and replacement sights of the "staked" type are less common and less stable. You'll need to play around with ammo though. Mine works great with all ball ammo, but hollow-points are highly variable depending on brand/type.

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 02, 2014 02:15 PM (jCIoO)

167 All ammunition is being recalled, an NO, ammunition will not be replaced !  Thanks for your naivete, suckas.  Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Obama ! 

Posted by: ron n. at February 02, 2014 07:14 PM (c7HxG)

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