May 04, 2014


— andy

More From The NRA Annual Meeting

John, Ben and I got together and did a special podcast episode on last week's NRA Annual Meeting.

Referenced:


So, So Stupid


This is as uninformed as the "gun tech" guy we talked to at the NRAAM (discussed on the podcast). They've constructed a straw man argument that the NRA is full of luddites that oppose all sorts of technological breakthroughs in "gun safety".

Meanwhile, companies have been making biometric gun safes for years. If the Wired folks weren't so busy sneering, they might've attended the NRA Annual Meeting and dropped by Gun Vault's booth.


Gun Of The Week

(answer below) Marksmanship Award

And we didn't even fire a shot ...



Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Ohio Ordnance HCAR mentioned in the podcast


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1 This thread should be up any minute now.

Posted by: rickl at May 04, 2014 12:49 PM (sdi6R)

2 Leftists are waging a War on Gun Owners. Later.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 04, 2014 12:55 PM (9W+0f)

3 I'm black and I'm proud.

Posted by: The Rifle at May 04, 2014 01:00 PM (LJ7Ze)

4 Wow, a couple of hit and run comments. I like pretty much everything I see about Daniel Defense except the price!

Posted by: Old Dog at May 04, 2014 01:01 PM (tQYJH)

5 So does the HCAR have a thing that goes up?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 04, 2014 01:04 PM (/FZPk)

6 All I had left after cannibalizing my MP15 Sport for two other builds and another upper was the stripped upper receiver. So of course I had to buy a charging handle, bolt carrier group, Magpul forend, Troy Industries fixed rear sight, gas tube, delta pack, .308 flash hider and a .300 Blackout barrel assembly.

I mean, I had no choice.

Building AR's is like smoking crack. If this keeps up I'll be blowing truckers for blemished PSA lower receivers.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 01:07 PM (4ckfx)

7 Can I get one in 300 Winchester mag, or 7mil Remington mag?

Posted by: Average, ordinary Guy at May 04, 2014 01:07 PM (rpqW1)

8 OH, and I'll take one of those biometric weapons if you can guarantee that I get my life back if it ever fails to fire.

Posted by: Average, ordinary Guy at May 04, 2014 01:09 PM (rpqW1)

9 Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 05:07 PM (4ckfx) No kidding, I have the parts for both a AR-10 and a AR-15 laying on the bench screaming for TIME to work on them!

Posted by: Old Dog at May 04, 2014 01:10 PM (tQYJH)

10 Modernized BAR? *drool* If I thought I'd actually make enough money to get that HCAR, I'd consider becoming a rent-boy or possibly a journalist.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 04, 2014 01:11 PM (AHzA7)

11 OK, the HCAR is kinda neat, but I've got to believe that I could have DSA build me a heavy-barrel Israeli FAL for half the price, and I'd have the same concept but in a lighter package that retains its historical coolnez.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 01:11 PM (4ckfx)

12 And am I the only person who thinks that a collapsible AR stock on anything but an AR looks like a prosthetic device?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 01:13 PM (4ckfx)

13 I like the HCAR better than the K Car.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2014 01:13 PM (LJ7Ze)

14 Andy, didja buy anything kewl at the gunshow last week? And is it at the bottom of a lake somewhere already?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 01:14 PM (4ckfx)

15 13 I like the HCAR better than the K Car. Posted by: Boss Moss

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If I had a million dollars

(If I had a million dollars...)

I'd buy you an HCAR

(A BAR-derivative SAW...)


Posted by: Barenaked Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 01:16 PM (4ckfx)

16 Still have the star wars Empire theme marching through my head, dun dun dun, dun de dun dun de dun and Putin is threatening to move armor into Ukraine. The weather must be getting better if Armor can move. dun dun dun, dun de dun, dun de dun.

Posted by: Average, ordinary Guy at May 04, 2014 01:17 PM (rpqW1)

17 Those two doohickeys under the barrels (!?) are very assaulty looking.

Posted by: eleven at May 04, 2014 01:17 PM (9Mfnb)

18 Boss Moss, a box of rocks is better than the K Car!

Posted by: Old Dog at May 04, 2014 01:17 PM (tQYJH)

19 And am I the only person who thinks that a collapsible AR stock on anything but an AR looks like a prosthetic device? Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 05:13 PM (4ckfx) Nope. Even worse is when AR collapsibles are added to rifles/shotguns that normally have angled stocks. Often they're just grafted on haphazardly at the same angle as the original stock. Causes all kinds of problems with the stock/buttplate angle and the sight line above the barrel.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 04, 2014 01:19 PM (AHzA7)

20 It needs a bigger magazine to make it to the end of the movie.

Posted by: Boss Moss at May 04, 2014 01:19 PM (LJ7Ze)

21 Yay, guns!  I was over at the gun shop yesterday, getting the bff a gift certificate for his birthday on Tuesday.  Was window-shopping the automatic handguns.  Some of them are quite pricey!  They have a bunch used, though, for about 600 and under.  I kinda want one. 

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 01:20 PM (8lmkt)

22 I don't understand the left's obsession with biometric gun locks. Is this thing indestructible? If not what makes it any more safe than a regular gun lock? It can only be opened by it's owner? So what, a gun lock can only be opened by the guy with a key. Or both can be opened with a hack saw. As for "biometic guns" What a load of shit, part of the appeal of a gun as a self defense weapon is that they're fairly simple mechanism that aren't overly prone to failure. Unneeded tech changes that.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at May 04, 2014 01:20 PM (HDwDg)

23 tsrbike, you clearly misunderstand the thinking (or lack thereof) of the DemProg mind. The fact that the Tech might fail and cause a bitter clinger to die is a big plus for them. Not to mention the idea of a remote kill switch on such Tech makes them orgasm in their knickers.

Posted by: Old Dog at May 04, 2014 01:25 PM (tQYJH)

24 I think the Fox link is funny as shit. Thugs don't show up when there are 70,000 NRA members hanging around, at least half of them armed. Old fuckers with weapons are not to be fucked with. I am one.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 04, 2014 01:32 PM (0FSuD)

25 Peaches what semi-autos were you looking at? Do you remember brand names or models? I just added one of those 3x magnifiers to my Eotech on my AR-15. Man, that thing is fun to shoot!

Posted by: Pilot141 at May 04, 2014 01:35 PM (nPwzA)

26 OK the food thread got me hot for a steak. Anyone need anything at da sto?

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 04, 2014 01:35 PM (0FSuD)

27 Peaches what semi-autos were you looking at? Do you remember brand names or models?

There were all kinds -- S(ampersand)W, HK, Springfield Armory (?), Glocks (very pricey!), others that I was unfamiliar with.  Best course for me would be to cheese one off my friend (who promised it to me years ago and never delivered).  Not in any rush, good with fluffy for now, but cannot get .38 specials for love or money.  Blew a bunch of hollow-points at the range last month, but they really dirtied up the gun.

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 01:37 PM (8lmkt)

28 I gots to run and pick up my car.  brb.

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 01:37 PM (8lmkt)

29 Those two doohickeys under the barrels (!?) are very assaulty looking.

Yes. And they aren't even biometric.

Posted by: The douchebags at Losely Wired at May 04, 2014 01:39 PM (Dwehj)

30 Apparently the convention this year gave several NPR bags of used douche-fluid palpitations... to bad they didn't go full cardiac arrest...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at May 04, 2014 01:40 PM (W7zKe)

31 I don't understand the left's obsession with biometric gun locks. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at May 04, 2014 05:20 PM (HDwDg) Right now, the main thing they're after is the legal stuff associated with biometrics. Laws in several states trigger new bans on older guns once biometrics hit the market. Same thing with the microstamping thing. They don't give a rat's ass about its effectiveness, just that it triggers new gun bans that are already written in the law.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 04, 2014 01:41 PM (AHzA7)

32 Glocks (very pricey!)

Many Glocks are well under $600, brand new.

Posted by: Gun Thread Lurker #2 at May 04, 2014 01:43 PM (Dwehj)

33 If I knew LittleMissRightie was going to be there, I would have considered going.

Posted by: garrett at May 04, 2014 01:45 PM (S+ymW)

34 Shooting Grip Essentials: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDnEkFSMRik /hat tip Liberty's Torch

Posted by: rickl at May 04, 2014 01:45 PM (sdi6R)

35 Those two doohickeys under the barrels ...would have to go, if it were me. Have yet to ever find a need for an integral bipod on a weapon I want for portability and ease of employment in close quarters. I am not going to hunt elk with it and I am too used to firing prone supported by my elbow. That lower "barrel" appears to be the gas return, which looks very similar to the M-60 series system.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at May 04, 2014 01:46 PM (158hS)

36 OT: but hell, its is fishing rods and tackle, so it's not too far off the mark. I just finished cleaning, checking and lubing the reels and checking the tackle for the boat and guests. I realized my tackle box is now 45 years old! The plastic is an eroded, dusty shadow of its former self, but the hardware on the inside is as good as new and made with brass fittings. Like I said, not a gun topic, but pretty close.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 04, 2014 01:47 PM (ZMNcC)

37 dammit!!! The ancient tablet (3 yrs old) won't 'squinch' out the text on this thread! I don't know if it's this thread or the tablet? (no probs today on other threads) Anyway, heading to the folks place in Arkansas tomorrow. The two scoped ARs are loaded up to sight in. There's a free, Forestry Service range, five miles from their house.

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 04, 2014 01:48 PM (4DCSq)

38 Many Glocks are well under $600, brand new. Yep. Got a new G23 about a month ago for $550. Now my SIG sickness is another story....

Posted by: Pilot141 at May 04, 2014 01:49 PM (nPwzA)

39

>>Many Glocks are well under $600, brand new.

Yep. Got a new G23 about a month ago for $550. Now my SIG sickness is another story....

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.I have a Glock 22 and 26 and am now holding out for a 42.  I am bending the size curve down on my Glocks.  I picked up the 22 as a Police Trade in and it literally looked brand new at $395 with two mags and no box. 

Posted by: Registered Voter at May 04, 2014 01:56 PM (0DC/m)

40 I realized my tackle box is now 45 years old! You just made made me realize my Plano 8606 is 32 years old..... ...and there must be $900 bucks in Rapalas in it, at least. Where is my spinner bait box? Hmmm.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at May 04, 2014 01:56 PM (158hS)

41 Blew a bunch of hollow-points at the range last month That must have made the FMJs jealous!

Posted by: Insomniac at May 04, 2014 01:58 PM (NtHdR)

42 Got a new G23 about a month ago for $550.

Same here - G23, Gen 4, OD. Love it. I carry it loaded with Hornady Critical Duty 175 gr FlexLock, which it loves.

Posted by: Gun Thread Lurker #2 at May 04, 2014 01:58 PM (Dwehj)

43 I have my dad's tackle box. 1932.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 04, 2014 02:04 PM (0FSuD)

44 Same here - G23, Gen 4, OD. Love it. I carry it loaded with Hornady Critical Duty 175 gr FlexLock, which it loves. Yeah I carry mine loaded with Critical Defense. Was at the range yesterday. After shooting a few others I pulled the G23 out of its IWB holster and fired off 13 rounds. Accurately, quickly and reliably. Gotta love the confidence that it will go bang when needed.

Posted by: Pilot141 at May 04, 2014 02:05 PM (nPwzA)

45 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 05:11 PM (4ckfx)

Or a SCAR 17 for $2,800.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 04, 2014 02:07 PM (QFxY5)

46 This is an old Plano box, probably one of their first, for before that metal boxes were the norm. I still have some Herter's lures in it.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at May 04, 2014 02:09 PM (ZMNcC)

47 @46 Mine is all metal and I stupidly threw away a bunch of his old lures.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 04, 2014 02:13 PM (0FSuD)

48 it will go bang when needed.

Posted by: Pilot141 at May 04, 2014 06:05 PM (nPwzA)

So will I!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 04, 2014 02:18 PM (QFxY5)

49 #35, considering the HCAR is a derivative of the M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, which precedes the overall dismal M60 by a couple decades....

The HCAR will be one of the rifles used by the good guys in Seth Anderson Bailey's third novel. Anyone who likes guns and violence would appreciate his work.

I was at the NRA convention as well, and if anyone made it to Marty Morgan's "Guns of Normandy" or "Guns of D-Day" presentations, I was at both, plus MAJ Plaster's "Guns of MACV-SOG." Marty and Mark are both good buddies of mine.

For me, it had three major highlights. One, finally meeting Aimpoint's babe Angela Jennings (Google her, you're welcome), getting my hands on an R51, and seeing LTC Grossman for the first time in twenty years. He was still MAJ Grossman when I knew him.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at May 04, 2014 02:18 PM (VZyOx)

50 Hmm.. Guns or fishin'? I fricken' love my old Daiwa (20+ years old) bait casters. Oh, and btw, I'm really partial to my M92 vs Glocks...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 04, 2014 02:18 PM (4DCSq)

51 I think the Glock's were all .45s, which is way too much gun for me.  And I was just looking at what they had in the cases.  Plus, it's Cacafornia and kind of a pricey shop to begin with.

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 02:28 PM (8lmkt)

52 Fucking Courts: Court refuses trial by combat By David Sapsted12:01AM GMT 16 Dec 2002 A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence. Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter. Magistrates sitting at Bury St Edmunds on Friday had disagreed and instead of accepting his offer to take on a clerk from Swansea with "samurai swords, Ghurka knives or heavy hammers", fined him £200 with £100 costs. Humphreys, an unemployed mechanic, was taken to court after refusing to pay the original £25 fixed penalty for failing to notify the DVLA that his Suzuki motorcycle was off the road. After entering a not guilty plea, he threw down his unconventional challenge. Humphreys, from Bury St Edmunds, said: "I was willing to fight a champion put up by the DVLA, but it would have been a fight to the death." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html

Posted by: Elders of Zion at May 04, 2014 02:41 PM (8c12T)

53 Better now.

Posted by: Pugs of Zion at May 04, 2014 02:42 PM (8c12T)

54
  My newest fishing reel is a Mitchell 300L.

   Favorite fly rod is a Fenwick 7'5" 5weight.

  The Coleman stove was new in 68, along with the lantern.

   Both still have the original generators.

   Point of this?   They made some good stuff back then.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 04, 2014 02:45 PM (SAMxH)

55 Guns N Boobs - Nice 38 pic.twitter.com/XjN9Q0AvmR

Posted by: kbdabear at May 04, 2014 02:46 PM (aTXUx)

56 Am having trouble loading page.  If it's just me, well disregard.

Posted by: NCwoof at May 04, 2014 02:48 PM (aUQgu)

57 Got my handgun and a lesson in how to disassemble and clean it. Hoping to get a chance to actually *shoot* it next week.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 04, 2014 02:50 PM (GDulk)

58 A lesson in how to shoot would be a good thing.

Posted by: NCwoof at May 04, 2014 02:52 PM (aUQgu)

59 i'll put my 7.62 AR-15 up against that HCAR anyday so nck got me a sightmark combo....poor man's eotech it worked amazingly well today

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 02:52 PM (awUfe)

60 51 I think the Glock's were all .45s, which is way too much gun for me T is 100lbs and 5' even her carry piece is a compact Kimber in .45 you would like the caliber increase and I think could easily handle it

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 02:54 PM (awUfe)

61 Posted by: Elders of Zion at May 04, 2014 06:41 PM (8c12T)

that's hilarious!

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 02:55 PM (8lmkt)

62 @54 So Iron, how did that "window cleaning" go. he he.

Posted by: Nip Sip at May 04, 2014 02:56 PM (0FSuD)

63 Wired is a bunch of leftist geeks in San Francisco who would scream in terror if you pointed a water pistol at them at one of their Google Bus stops But they love to play He-Man on weekend paintpall parties or Call of Duty consoles

Posted by: kbdabear at May 04, 2014 02:57 PM (aTXUx)

64 you would like the caliber increase and I think could easily handle it

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 06:54 PM (awUfe)


Interesting, ncj.  I'll have to have the bff bring one to the range next time and give it a try.  I've got 5" and 7 lbs. on your wife. 

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 02:58 PM (8lmkt)

65 58 There is obviously a wide range of experience here. But, where to begin for the basics? Maybe an NRA website?

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 04, 2014 02:59 PM (4DCSq)

66 Sgt Dan - Opinion re R51 ?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 02:59 PM (aDwsi)

67 48 it will go bang when needed. Posted by: Pilot141 at May 04, 2014 06:05 PM (nPwzA) So will I! Posted by: Sandra Fluke at May 04, 2014 06:18 PM (QFxY5) Everyone knows that.

Posted by: Geogetown KA's AND SAE's at May 04, 2014 02:59 PM (0FSuD)

68 The ex had a 75 Coleman pop-up camper, the small one with a canvas top. Dragged that well made thing all over the country in the 80s and early 90s. When she left me for an internet friend I tried to buy it but the bitch wouldn't sell it.10 minutes to set up, I loved that thing.

Posted by: J. Chevers Loophole at May 04, 2014 03:00 PM (ahBY0)

69 Peaches, The .45 ACP has a big ol', fat bullet, but its velocity is pretty slow. Try it, you'll love it!

Posted by: Spun and Murky at May 04, 2014 03:03 PM (4DCSq)

70 New thread? Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at May 04, 2014 03:04 PM (9W+0f)

71 MUMR Kid, you ain't right.

Posted by: Ronster at May 04, 2014 03:06 PM (puNd6)

72 doohickeys Never leave home without 'em.

Posted by: BignJames at May 04, 2014 03:08 PM (HtUkt)

73
   While I was cleaning windows someone made a cherry pie and there's a steak ready for broiling, so I am a happy camper.

    Off to start supper now.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 04, 2014 03:10 PM (SAMxH)

74 Kid, you ain't right.

Posted by: Ronster at May 04, 2014 07:06 PM (puNd6)

I know!  Why does he even come here?  It's not like we'd miss him if he moved on . . . 

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 03:12 PM (8lmkt)

75 72 doohickeys Never leave home without 'em. Posted by: BignJames at May 04, 2014 07:08 PM (HtUkt) What about us?

Posted by: Thingamajigs at May 04, 2014 03:14 PM (NtHdR)

76 Very true Peaches.

Posted by: Ronster at May 04, 2014 03:18 PM (puNd6)

77 Hey Peaches, did they ever get the assholes breaking in by you?

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 03:19 PM (ahBY0)

78 Yesterday realized what my 100 buck entry and 100 per year buys. 20+ rifle 'lanes.' 10+ pistol 'lanes.' And a shotgun area. Only myself and my buddy by ourselves for over an hour. Then the rush of three other people. Beautiful day helped as well.

Posted by: RWC at May 04, 2014 03:21 PM (QeH9j)

79 Hey Peaches, did they ever get the assholes breaking in by you?

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 07:19 PM (ahBY0)


Not to my knowledge, and on the crime map, it appears they've gone a little further east and are plaguing the poor folks over there.  Just heard this morning there's another guy peeping in windows early mornings and late evenings.  The woman who saw and confronted and called the cops on him thinks he was casing places but at those times of day, I'm guessing he's just peeping.  I fuckin' hate LA.

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 03:25 PM (8lmkt)

80 I fricken' love my old Daiwa (20+ years old) bait caster... i love my daiwa fresh water pole my pop took me to get when i was like 12 or so. (memories) used it in santa cruz at oceans edge and got king and perch, one after another. before that we'd ride ponies to the creek with buckets and come home with 50 or more freshwater crawdads the parents would cook up...many, many moons ago.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 03:25 PM (XBJ/G)

81 Carol Marin, Chicago Sun-Times columnist, referred to something as a .50 Barrett "Assault Rifle". She, of course, is a moron.

Posted by: ejo at May 04, 2014 03:25 PM (oQvpB)

82 Interesting, ncj. I'll have to have the bff bring one to the range next time and give it a try. I've got 5" and 7 lbs. on your wife. I've got at least 8" on Barack.

Posted by: Michele Obama's Landing Strip at May 04, 2014 03:26 PM (645Ii)

83 Come back to Chicago girl. This town needs more folks with sand and a little bark on the guy guys side.

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 03:27 PM (ahBY0)

84 good

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 03:28 PM (ahBY0)

85 MUMR On weekends, Ace has set up the blog to be run by generous volunteers who post on a wide variety of interesting topics. There are also open threads to discuss anything you like. Personally, I think Ace is entitled to his weekend, don't you agree? And there are so many different topics posted that surely you could find one that interest you. If not, as I said, Open Thread. But it's rude to complain when kind people do something for free to keep us all entertiained and informed, week after week. Be grateful or be quiet.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 04, 2014 03:29 PM (oMKp3)

86 We still have peepers? I would have thought the internet would have addressed that freak a long time ago.

Posted by: Jean at May 04, 2014 03:30 PM (Aqvh6)

87 86 We still have peepers? I would have thought the internet would have addressed that freak a long time ago. Posted by: Jean at May 04, 2014 07:30 PM (Aqvh6) I would imagine the risk is part of the thrill.

Posted by: RWC at May 04, 2014 03:31 PM (QeH9j)

88 We still have peepers? I would have thought the internet would have addressed that freak a long time ago.

Posted by: Jean at May 04, 2014 07:30 PM (Aqvh6)


lol, Jean.  my first thought was, well, whoever goes out of their way to see me naked better have a strong stomach.  sadly, i'm in the phase of my life where i now look better with the clothes on than off.  lucky for me, the cats don't seem to care!

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 03:33 PM (8lmkt)

89 does anyone know of or have a husqvarna bolt action 7mm? it has sweden on the barrel, and tacoma, washington. my mom gave it to my pop one christmas eve in the late 60's...real pretty with crisscross etching in the wood.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 03:35 PM (1YgVg)

90 85 There are also open threads to discuss anything you like. like the soon to be super bowl champs da bears?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 03:40 PM (awUfe)

91 like the soon to be super bowl champs da bears?

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 07:40 PM (awUfe)

bless your heart, ncj . . . you sure that won't be too much excitement for you, coming so close on the heels of the Cubbies winning the Series?

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 03:42 PM (8lmkt)

92 Posted by: NCwoof at May 04, 2014 06:52 PM (aUQgu) That's the plan. Neighbor across the street who gave the cleaning lesson belongs to a gun club. When he gets some free time he takes Son and myself and has been letting us shoot one of his guns. Next time we'll actually be able to shoot ours.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 04, 2014 03:42 PM (GDulk)

93 or the soon to be Stanley Cup winning Blackhawks...

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 03:43 PM (ahBY0)

94 90 85 There are also open threads to discuss anything you like. like the soon to be super bowl champs da bears? Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 07:40 PM (awUfe) Unfortunately NCJoe, there will probably never be such a thread as long as the Packers are in the same division. Jordy!!

Posted by: grammie winger at May 04, 2014 03:43 PM (oMKp3)

95 like the soon to be super bowl champs da bears?

Even I can't pull that one off.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at May 04, 2014 03:43 PM (Dwehj)

96 Next time we'll actually be able to shoot ours.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 04, 2014 07:42 PM (GDulk)


Polli, you will have SO MUCH FUN!!!  And, don't feel bad, I got fluffy last June and didn't ever fire her up until maybe January or February.  It's a blast.  Take a lot of ammo, you will not want to stop!

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 03:44 PM (8lmkt)

97 Please don't mention the cubs, I just ate.

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 03:45 PM (ahBY0)

98 97 Please don't mention the cubs, I just ate. Cubs vs Cardinals. 15 minutes from now on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 04, 2014 03:47 PM (oMKp3)

99 Peaches I never knew you considered me your BFF. I'm flattered really

Posted by: Buzzion at May 04, 2014 03:48 PM (z/Ubi)

100 Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 07:35 PM (1YgVg) Just a quick search and I am prepared to offer you 50 bucks for it Just kidding. From what I read it is a really good quality rifle. It was imported by Tradewinds out of Tacoma, WA.

Posted by: RWC at May 04, 2014 03:49 PM (QeH9j)

101 Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 07:44 PM (8lmkt) I expect to. We missed a month's shooting due to neighbor's schedule and I was surprised how disappointed I was. Jim in Galveston's plan for the SETX MoMee includes scaring targets at a nearby range so I really hope I'll be able to attend.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at May 04, 2014 03:50 PM (GDulk)

102 98 Cubs vs Cardinals 3-0 cubbies in the series so far I smell a sweep a few changes were made and it looks like the cubbies are playoff bound next year they win it all

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 04, 2014 03:50 PM (awUfe)

103 Bears, Packers games are going to be good this year but hell navycopjoe, you've been saying that for 100 years

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 03:54 PM (ahBY0)

104 you've been saying that for 100 years

heh, good practice for the next 100

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 03:56 PM (8lmkt)

105 RWC...why gee thanks...she only paid 99 bucks for it. do you drive a truck?

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 03:58 PM (XBJ/G)

106 Peaches, i'm keepin mum, still gotta test and demo, etc., but i saw pics and i'm jumpin for joy.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 04:01 PM (XBJ/G)

107 105 RWC...why gee thanks...she only paid 99 bucks for it. do you drive a truck? Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 07:58 PM (XBJ/G) No, why?

Posted by: RWC at May 04, 2014 04:02 PM (QeH9j)

108 Peaches, i'm keepin mum, still gotta test and demo, etc., but i saw pics and i'm jumpin for joy.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 08:01 PM (XBJ/G)

tee hee, yay!!!!  and, don't forget, 99 bucks was serious money back in the late 60s.  like a month's rent or house payment.  hell, you could buy a brand new car for about 1200 bucks.

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 04:02 PM (8lmkt)

109

Peaches,

 

 

Three things:  1.  We all hope you can attend, too!  2.  Look up all the training tips and other info at Kathy Jackson's site "Cornered Cat"  http://www.corneredcat.com .  I fully endorse every bit of what she's got in there.  ESPECIALLY learn n' memorize The Four Rules.  3.  After you've "found" the pistol you want, shop for it on Gunbroker  http://www.gunbroker.com .  You might not end up buying via that site, and some (many) of their sellers won't do CA sales for obvious reasons.  But, studying the site will educate you as to the price/condition matrix on used guns.

 

 

Oh, and at The Arms Room, where the Hou MoMeet should commence.....has full auto goodies available for rent.  Turning money into noise, at 800 rounds per minute!

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2014 04:03 PM (vvk2F)

110 Of old family gear, I have a Remington Model 34 .22 that my Grandad bought used for $6 during the Depression. Also my Remington .22 bolt action I bought with my lawn mowing plunder. Dad did the negotiations and I would get maybe $4 for mowing a widder woman's acre. Made $164.00 one summer mowing every widow's lawn in Goodrich. I also still have my Bear recurve I bought in 1961. Longbow.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at May 04, 2014 04:05 PM (R//kR)

111 my mom gave it to my pop one christmas eve in the late 60's...real pretty with crisscross etching in the wood. Posted by: concrete ---------------------Sounds interesting. Where are the marks located? The wood work is called 'checkering'. Given the vintage of your rifle, it was almost sure done by hand. These, it is done by machine or laser, and not nearly so nice

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:05 PM (aDwsi)

112 Good stuff, Jim, thanks!  I have a couple of very close friends who are complete gun nuts and, although I picked out fluffy all on my own, I later ran across a lovely internet article that called it as close to a perfect first gun as one could wish for.  So, I'm in very good hands here (metaphorically speaking).  Would KILL to be at the Hou MoMeet at the range, dammit.  Unfortunately, it's a really long drive!

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 04:06 PM (8lmkt)

113 concrete - to clarify, I meant 'where are the markings on the steel located'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:08 PM (aDwsi)

114 Jim, I am west of Houston an hour but would attend if I'm in the country when the date firms up. Do you live on your boat?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at May 04, 2014 04:08 PM (R//kR)

115 $100 beater was in better shape in those days than one that costs $1200 now. I wish I would have kept a few of those.

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 04:09 PM (ahBY0)

116

Mr. Dave,

 

 

You'd be welcome at the meet, for certain!  Sadly, Hurricane Ike ate the boat for lunch.  I did live aboard, for seven years.  But, she is no more.  Hence the "Sunk" New Dawn...........sig line USED to be "Sloop New Dawn".

 

*le sigh*

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2014 04:10 PM (vvk2F)

117 Target Vision Cam: "The transmitter sits down range about 10-15 feet from the target and..." I'm pretty sure that should read 'up range from the target..',

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:11 PM (aDwsi)

118 Hammer, still will do the Song of the South for you. Mucho trabajo.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at May 04, 2014 04:12 PM (R//kR)

119 a few changes were made and it looks like the cubbies are playoff bound
next year they win it all

Sure, and if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at May 04, 2014 04:13 PM (Dwehj)

120 66 Sgt Dan - Opinion re R51 ? Posted by: Mike Hammer

----------------

I'll jump in and say "AVOID".

It's an unmitigated clusterfuck for Remington. Who by now are no slouches at clusterfucking.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at May 04, 2014 04:14 PM (4ckfx)

121 Jim, I saw the damage on Pelican Island. Boat piled up everywhere from Ike. We helped a friend chainsaw his way to his place in Port Arthur. Took a couple of days to clear the road.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at May 04, 2014 04:15 PM (R//kR)

122 111 - "...it was almost sure done by hand. These, it is done by machine or laser, and not nearly so nice.." Well, that was barely coherent. Up until 2:30 a.m. last night with some very irresponsible people. Then up at 7:45 for the 5 hr. drive home this morning. Hangover has abated but rather need some sleep.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:16 PM (aDwsi)

123 Hammer, still will do the Song of the South for you. Mucho trabajo. Posted by: Mr. Dave -------------------- Mr. Dave. Thank you sir. Having waited many years, a month or two more is no big deal. Do it at your leisure.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:18 PM (aDwsi)

124 oh, sure, Hammer, blame it on your friends!!!  and, for what it's worth, I had no trouble reading or comprehending that previous comment. 

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 04:18 PM (8lmkt)

125 It's an unmitigated clusterfuck for Remington. Who by now are no slouches at clusterfucking. Posted by: Taro ---------------------- OK..., but could you expound on that a bit.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:18 PM (aDwsi)

126

Mr. Dave.

 

 

Meet the Sunk New Dawn. 

http://tinyurl.com/k34sxya

 

Hull-Deck separation, mast torn away and broken into 3 pieces, companionway and both hatches carried away, engine torn from mounts, 16 gallon fuel tank split, and much other damage besides.  Totaled, of course.

 

 

Was a nice seven years aboard ship though.  No regrets.

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

 

 

Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2014 04:19 PM (vvk2F)

127 I like a slow post. Reminds me of pulling up on a bar stool in an almost empty bar, except I gotta get my own beer

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 04:20 PM (ahBY0)

128 from left to right on the top of the barrel... TRADEWINDS, INC. TACOMA, WASHINGTON HUSKY MODEL H-5000 7MM REM. MAGNUM on the top piece where two screws go into the barrel there's a crown stamp with what looks like an "h" in fancy scroll, then SWEDEN just below. on the side (of the bolt action?) it says: HVA ACTION-MADE IN SWEDEN

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 04:21 PM (1YgVg)

129 Meet the Sunk New Dawn.
http://tinyurl.com/k34sxya

Oh, my!  That's pretty sad, Jim. 

Posted by: Peaches at May 04, 2014 04:23 PM (8lmkt)

130 oh, sure, Hammer, blame it on your friends!!! and, for what it's worth, I had no trouble reading or comprehending that previous comment. Posted by: Peaches ----------------------- This is good. My friends here are adapting to Hammerese. A well-known language among my compatriots. It is similar to 'Mike Time'..., which is different than ordinary time. Peaches, I would never[/] have stayed up that late drinking and telling lies were it not for the unwholesome association with those people. It was peer pressure..., yeah..., that's it, peer pressure..., and free booze. But mostly pressure.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:24 PM (aDwsi)

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:24 PM (aDwsi)

132 Very near brush with the barrel... Just too tired. Nap. Bye

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:25 PM (aDwsi)

133 Belfast Cowboy on the box

Posted by: dumbartist at May 04, 2014 04:26 PM (ahBY0)

134

Concrete Girl...........that'd be a Husky built on a Mauser '98 pattern, but in civilian, rather than military details.  SWEET rifle. 

 

 

If it doesn't shoot as well as you'd like, it's a cinch to get rebarelled and/or restocked..... the action itself though?  It'll last several lifetimes.

 

 

That rifle was made from some of the finest steel ever made on this planet.  Swedish Proof Tool Steel.  It's an heirloom, keep it and pass it down.

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 04, 2014 04:26 PM (vvk2F)

135 concrete - Tradewinds was the Husky importer. The rifle was made in Sweden, and I suspect is quite nice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 04, 2014 04:27 PM (aDwsi)

136 the wood crisscrossing is about 8 inches on both sides of the ? stock just below the sight and also towards the end after the trigger where you hold the gun after you've shot. one heckeva recoil :-)

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 04:29 PM (1YgVg)

137 All 'Husky' marked Husqvarna rifles were imported by Tradewinds. These were modified 1600-series rifles specifically for import to the American market in the late 1960's - early 1970's. Should have a 98 Mauser-type action. Unfortunately, the Husky's dont pull the bucks that the other Husqvarna rifles might. Figure $300 or so. Husqvarna also manufactured rifles for Smith & Wesson, plus were imported by a short list of other companies - all now defunct.

Posted by: RWC at May 04, 2014 04:32 PM (QeH9j)

138 I have the Loeb 7mm Model 1894 Mauser made in 1896.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at May 04, 2014 04:32 PM (R//kR)

139 thanks guys, you're the best! i had to take it out to get everything right. it sure is pritty. i'll never forget the day pop gave it to me. hammer, sweet dreams, git some bed.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 04:35 PM (1YgVg)

140 Screwed that all up. Model 1895, made at the Loewe plant in 1896. Chilean

Posted by: Mr. Dave at May 04, 2014 04:35 PM (R//kR)

141 i shot rabbits with it once. obliterated em. too many rabbit holes for the cattle to trip into and break their legs.

Posted by: concrete girl at May 04, 2014 04:38 PM (1YgVg)

142 I have my grandfathers falling block .22 made by Mossberg. Haven't shot it for years.

Posted by: Ronster at May 04, 2014 04:40 PM (puNd6)

143 Taro, I wouldn't call the R51 a clusterfuck yet. Let's let Big Green get some out on the street and see how they do.

Yeah, it's a weird design, an update of Pedersen's Model 51 in .380 from the 1930s, and a friend has two of those. Yes, it is possible to put it back together wrong. Protip- it's not a pistol you're going to rack up a really high round count with, so it's not going to have to be taken all the way down much. Wipe it down, pull a Boresnake through it, and call it good.

Me, I have big old meathook hands. I usually carry a 1911. But right now I don't have the coin to get a bobtail Commander like I really want, so I want something smallish in 9mm for shorts and T-shirt season down here in the South. I can't get my hands onto a Diamondback, Kel-Tec, or Kahr happily. My first choice is a Boberg, which is a Cadillac pocket pistol at a Caddy price, and my second choice is the R51. Fits my hand well, it's at a price point I can handle, and the trigger's not bad for what it is. 7+1 capacity. And with the swapped out palm-swell grip panels, it fit my hand considerably better than the standard one. One of the display guns at NRA had them fitted.

So I'm going to let the early adopters get theirs, see what reports trickle back in, and jump on one if it seems a good move.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at May 04, 2014 05:06 PM (VZyOx)

144 A couple of years ago I bought three T53s from SOG for $94 each as a package deal. I was pretty disappointed with their appearance, one with a big pit on the receiver and another with a visible crack in the stock. I just kind of put them into the attic still in the cosmoline and left them but today I decided to strip and clean them and see how bad they really are. And not really that bad. All are shootable and disregarding The Pit, the metal is really quit good on all of them. Shiny bores and good rifling on two of them, and one with the black sewer pipe look that has been known to clean up with a bit of brass brushing. If I put the best metal with the best stock I'll have one good T53, an okay one, and a beater.

Posted by: toby928© at May 04, 2014 05:25 PM (QupBk)

145 I have many guns and one of the reasons honestly was to feel more prepared than the rest of the population. Now that gun ownership is higher than ever I've switched to obtaining various body armor to get that one up feeling again. Not as hard as you would think .

Posted by: Burt Toste at May 04, 2014 05:59 PM (knDqF)

146 @144Toby, I like them ole T-53s and have several. They have real character. Price was right on em. Actions smooth because they have been used and broken in. I like my SKS's better though. I like them SKS's even better than my AK's.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 04, 2014 06:17 PM (kRQ2J)

147 I like them SKS's even better than my AK's. I love my Yugo 59/66. The only knock on it is the 10 round capacity. I didn't have an AK pattern weapon until I bought the PSL. I still do not have an AK47 or 74 but I might get one at some point. A buddy of mine just got one of those VZ58/2008s from AIM. He jonesing to go shoot it. Maybe next week we can go.

Posted by: toby928© at May 04, 2014 06:35 PM (QupBk)

148 @Toby147] I have thought about buying one of them VZ's. I have 11 SKS's . I tried to snag one from every country. 3 yugos (2 M59/66's and 1 M 59), 3 Chinese, a Romanian , a Russian, 2 Albanians among others. Still looking for the Polish , DDR and elusive NORK and Nam models. I recently purchased a SKS that was from the honor guard out of Croatia. It has this cool little Croatia coat of arms inset into the stock.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 04, 2014 06:50 PM (kRQ2J)

149 Oh BTW, If you ever are in the market for an AK buy a Yugo underfolder. I have 2. They are the Cadillac of AK's. You can fold it down and carry it under a duster jacket.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at May 04, 2014 07:30 PM (kRQ2J)

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