April 18, 2021
— Open Blogger
I bought my first gun. It is a sweet Rossi 22lr pump action with a wood stock and 18' barrel. You might wonder how I got here. It is an interesting story.
Back last August, I had just moved to Bethesda and excited about attending the NoVa MoMe. I couldn't wait to meet the wonderful Hordians who had virtually held my hand while I made the biggest move of my life. I asked about Ubering there and got an email from Weasel introducing me to JesseinDC who offered me a ride. This is the beginning. Then came Texas and the opportunity to actually hold a gun and some expert advice from Satrose and Eromero and others as well as fun and laughter and new like minded friends.
Jesse believes all women should learn to shoot and proceeded to back this up by inviting me to go shooting. We went to a range in VA with his friend Rick. Every time we went, he brought a bunch of different firearms and I got expert help figuring out what I needed to do to succeed which included wearing a patch on my left eye. One day, he put an old Rossi pump action rifle in my hands, showed me how to load it and put me in front of a bunch of metal targets, spaced at different intervals and many different sizes. I put the rifle to my shoulder and proceeded to hit everything I aimed at. All the other shooters could hear the pings as I hit the targets and were cheering me on. It is hard to describe how that made me feel, but I knew I wanted to own that type of rifle and Rossi had just reissued this pump action Gallery gun. I got to handle it at my first gun show a few weeks ago and ended up ordering it from Guns.com. It was cheaper than the show and they sent it to a local gun shop for me to pick up after I filled out the paperwork and they ran the background check.
I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet and I need to learn how to clean it but hoping to do that shortly. Ammunition is relatively cheap and available so another good reason to own a 22lr. Next thing is to figure out what kind of handgun I want to own, but in t he meantime, I'm going to have great fun shooting my new rifle.
As the saying goes "A handgun is only good til you can get to your rifle".
Next up our pal f'd shows what ammo prices looked like in the before time.
Found this in an old ammo stash. 38 Special - 13 cents per round. Don't know the vintage but pre Y2K I think.
Picked up a can of 200 tracer rounds from the 50's. Examples of the best and worst of the bunch in the pics.
I pulled the bullet from the ugliest one. Looked and smelled good. Now to try to set the night on fire.
Yesterday at the range, I got a hot brass caught just above my eyebrow under my plastic eye wear. Glad I had it on!
Is there any safety equipment that is particularly superior by brand or type? What kind of goggles do glasses wearers use? How about headphones? I have the noise canceling battery powered headphones and I like them even if I get really mussed flat hair, haha. As an 'ette, I know better than to wear low cut shirts to the range, but are there other recommendations? Anyone wear gloves using handguns or long guns? Just picking the brains of longtime shooters.
I just saw A.H. Lloyd's good notes about cleaning after every use on the latest gun thread, and have my own little reason to add:
Invariably, while cleaning, I would find myself doing a sort of after-action review, which was not only enjoyable, time at the range makes me happy, but possibly even productive in helping me curb bad practices and reinforce good ones.
OK, two questions for the horde:
Any recommendations for an inexpensive muzzle-loader?
And, how about an air rifle? Would you avoid the ones requiring a cylinder?Posted by: GWB at March 21, 2021 09:45 PM (QTm+F)
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Posted by: Doof at April 18, 2021 07:01 PM (mZUr4)
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Posted by: Anna Puma at April 18, 2021 07:07 PM (Rv+cn)
Went to the range yesterday with CBD. Had to start from scratch zeroing my scope. It is very helpful having a second pair of eyes.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 18, 2021 07:07 PM (QjRKG)
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No shit....
Posted by: Norman Spiny at April 18, 2021 07:09 PM (68uBc)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2021 07:09 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 18, 2021 07:10 PM (KSXRc)
Posted by: Oddbob at April 18, 2021 07:10 PM (fMYrG)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:11 PM (MVjcR)
I'm just sitting here looking at a (partial) 50 rd. box of CCI Velocitor, .22LR. Ten of 'em have been fired by whoever had the box before me.
40gr. lead, copper plated hollowpoint. Box proclaims 1435 fps. velocity.
We're all accustomed to 36gr. pills moving out like that, but for a 40 gr. round, that's just flat out screaming downrange. Looks like I'm going to have to break out the CZ-452 Lux for a bit of a testing session. Kind of the opposite end of the spectrum, I'd imagine, from the Remington 40 gr. Sub-Sonic rounds which could barely be heard to fire at the TxMoMeet.
Pity, I can't go shoot till the 29th, at soonest. Damn 10 day quarantine.
I gots the 'vids, dammit. The good news? I'm locked-down in the Gun Room, with all the booze, guns, cigars and books. Roughing it, I tellya! Damn well roughing it!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 07:12 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:12 PM (MVjcR)
Looking at property. We go walking the agent grabs a little .40 for his carry piece. Never know what we might find he says.
Says to my SiL I have a couple of guns in the truck right now but if it was hunting season it would be 5 or 6.
He says people around here like their guns. Noted.
Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2021 07:13 PM (wKtwp)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 07:13 PM (iBg56)
Posted by: The Neon Madman at April 18, 2021 07:10 PM (KSXRc)
Even though it specifically banned tracer rounds on the liability waiver, some yute thought it would be fun to shoot tracer rounds at the indoor range I'm a member of. The shredded rubber that they were using to absorb the rounds caught fire. My range was closed for three months to repair the damage.
Posted by: Old Blue at April 18, 2021 07:13 PM (VNmG1)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 07:14 PM (kTF2Z)
And what IS a good 22lr handgun???
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:14 PM (UUBmN)
For eyes I Peltor Sport SecureFit glasses in either clear, yellow or gray (see link at Amazon)
https://tinyurl.com/4924efmp
Inexpensive and does not interfere if you wear ear muffs.
For ears I have Walkers Silencer's ear buds and for a backup I have Howard Leight electronic ear muffs.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 18, 2021 07:14 PM (QjRKG)
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 07:16 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: MkY (Lost my AR) at April 18, 2021 07:16 PM (09A+N)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:16 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 18, 2021 07:16 PM (QjRKG)
I always wear one when I go shooting. Normally I prefer a hat with a brim for maximal shade, but when shooting, I want that extra forward cover (plus the ear protection fits over it better).
I can't tell you how many times brass has bounced off the visor. I don't even flinch anymore. It's just a thing. I've also noticed that most (if not all) the "pro shooters" on youtube have baseball hats on when they do their drills.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:17 PM (llXky)
Only reason why ammo prices might be going down is that scared people have seen their credit card statements...I figure it's like last year's toilet paper panic where in a few years we'll have episodes of Storage Wars where they break open a locker and there will be 20,000 rolls of TP in it.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 18, 2021 07:17 PM (fMYrG)
I haven't shot in 3 weeks. I really miss it. But... I have a friend who says he can get me my 380. Hopeful! Want to get daughter back on the range.
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 07:17 PM (nxdel)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:14 PM (UUBmN)
I have a Ruger SR22 (10 rds) and a Keltec p17 (16+1). I like the Ruger better. Easier to break down and clean.
Posted by: Old Blue at April 18, 2021 07:18 PM (VNmG1)
Posted by: Bert G at April 18, 2021 07:19 PM (sAW0o)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 07:19 PM (nxdel)
Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2021 07:19 PM (wKtwp)
If you're talking a .22lr pistol, I've had a blast with the Ruger Mark II. But the new Mark IV is much easier to field strip.
Posted by: callsign claymore at April 18, 2021 07:19 PM (I+zD5)
Posted by: Aviator at April 18, 2021 07:20 PM (HQ9Sl)
A good friend of mine in Blanco has it too right now. See if you can access a tank or 2 of oxygen to supplement with if you have trouble breathing or feel really run down. She has a lingering case going on 10 days now. She finally started taking HCQ on Friday and is starting to feel better but is really tired and worn down. I dropped off several canisters of "Boost Oxygen" since I couldn't source any canisters of medical O2. It's better than nothing in a pinch. I wish I could have found her a canister or 2 of O2 for her to breath.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:20 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:14 PM (UUBmN)
For .22 rifle glass, use the same premium stuff you would for a centerfire rifle, but do ensure that it has a parallax adjustment down to 25 yards. Many "big rifle" scopes won't adjust down to under 50 yards. Don't go cheap on scope or rings, ma'am. Buy once, Cry once.
For .22 handguns? Semi-auto, I don't think you can beat a Browning Buckmark UDX, with the flat-sided, forged and machined steel 6" barrel. The versions with an aluminum barrel with a steel liner are..inferior. But, the Buckmark has 1911 ergonomics, and what I think is the best trigger in the common-market .22 pistol world. You'd have to go up to a Hammerli Free Pistol to do much better.
Conversely, you can NEVER go wrong with a S&W model 17 .22 revolver. But it's going to cost you, dearly.
Other end of things? Heritage Rough Rider .22 Single Action (cowboy gun). Very often found at under $200, retail. More straight up FUN that the law might allow.
Those are my $0.02 worth of opinionage.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 07:21 PM (QzJWU)
Prices were always going to spike, but having Remington's machinery idled made it a lot worse. I don't think we'll ever get back to the Good Old Days, but things should get better.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:21 PM (llXky)
I live in NYC and go to NJ to shoot. Granted, not as many States as you but from one region that hates guns to another that tries to outdo it.
Retirement cannot not come quick enough so I can get away from these hell holes.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 18, 2021 07:21 PM (QjRKG)
Posted by: Jesse in DC at April 18, 2021 07:22 PM (Yp3Ga)
By the way, I scored some 45 acp, it was stocked, on the shelves, in Prescott, AZ. Only $50 a box! Such a deal! I did run across 45 acp as high as $89 a box, but, passed. I wasn't quite that desperate.
Now, for a range report: I have a rifle competition coming up, and made the two hour drive to a range that was set up for me to get adjustment data for my K31 out to 700 yards. Yep, I started my very first log book! And, after I was done, realized I might not be able to trust what I'd written down. But, it's a building block toward developing shooting data.
Thanks, Weasel, for starting my down this road!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (2SdPm)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
You need to wear at lest two hats.
Posted by: Aviator at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (HQ9Sl)
I bought a Ruger Wrangler 22 revolver this week. For infrastructure.
Posted by: Frankly at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (HuRak)
Posted by: f'd at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (Tnijr)
Howdy weasel! Thank you for another informative, interesting thread.
Haven't been to the range in a few weeks. Excuses, excuses.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (U2p+3)
Damn! It's too long since I've had any trigger time!
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 18, 2021 07:23 PM (bAe71)
Posted by: MkY (Lost my AR) at April 18, 2021 07:24 PM (09A+N)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 18, 2021 07:24 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: f'd at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (Tnijr)
they are good people and always have some weapons in their auctions
they just sent me an email for their next auction, May 1st
Posted by: REDACTED at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (6iURM)
I don't shoot .380 any longer and I have over 800 rounds of it. That was the only center fire caliber I could tolerate for about six months after my surgery so I bought a metric crap ton of it including about 500 rounds of Hornady XTP ammo.
That stuff is going for $4.00-$5.00 a round right now. I paid shmaybe 40 cents a round for it three years ago. Got four sealed 125 round boxes of it.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (iBg56)
I recently had a very mild case of Covid, and on the day I got out of quarantine I woke up feeling extremely fatigued. I called my doctor and she prescribed Ivermectin, but after 3 days it wasn't healing and it turned out I had Covid pneumonia. I think if I had called her right away when I got my positive test and gotten on the ivermectin at that time, I wouldn't have gotten worse.
I'm perfectly recovered and fine and dandy now, by the way.
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (wyw4S)
For ears I use the Howard Leight muffs, the big un's for indoor and if anyone is using artillery (muzzle braked 338, etc) nearby. Skinnier ones for most of the time, outdoors (I double up with plugs and the big muffs indoors). Don't have the model numbers, but I picked them by NRR (the system used to rate noise-reduction) - I think they had the highest ratings on that scale when I bought them.
Midway had Walker's electronics on sale (maybe they still do) for a sweet price, but to be honest I've never noticed needing/wanting that kind (and I'm an RO at an outdoor range). My hearing is excellent, so (so far) my hearing protection doesn't interfere with me hearing what I need to. I do have a cheapie electronic set next to the bed, for the 1/1,000,000,000,000,000 contingency of home invasion and needing to empty brass indoors.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 07:26 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:26 PM (UUBmN)
If buying used, look for a Thompson/Center Renegade. Half stock, adjustable sights, and double set triggers. I've used one for over thirty years. Get one in fifty caliber for easy to find round ball.
If you want a revolver, look for a Pietta in 44 caliber on sale. Steel frames are preffered but the brass frame versions will be find if you keep the powder charges around 20 to 25 grains.
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 07:26 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: Ben Had at April 18, 2021 07:26 PM (fidon)
Answer: that you still live in a city.
Posted by: Smurf High Command at April 18, 2021 07:27 PM (i7UvS)
Thanks, Mr. W......the gun thread means I am heading into my last shift for the week, and a few days off......
Posted by: jasonj at April 18, 2021 07:27 PM (4Tpar)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:14 PM (UUBmN)
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I really like the Beretta Cheetah. Some of the MiMorons have shot it.
That said, I don't like .22LR pistols for anything other than training because rimfire ammo is just so finicky. For self defense I'd look at .25 auto (which was designed by Browning to have the same ballistic performance of 22LR fired through a rifle) or maybe .32 ACP.
Nice thing about .32 is that there are tons of cheap but good Euro guns available in the caliber.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:27 PM (llXky)
Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2021 07:28 PM (FsVxE)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 07:28 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 07:30 PM (BXZLC)
Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 07:12 PM (QzJWU)
Know any horse people in your local area, Jim? You could get some Ivermectin. Safer than Aspirin, and proven to help one beat the WuFlu.
Posted by: ex-CongressPerson Katie Hill at April 18, 2021 07:30 PM (mzC78)
Any recommendations for an inexpensive muzzle-loader?
It's hard to beat the cheapo $100 or so* Traditions .50 caliber starter kit that you can (could?) pick up at any big box store. I've taken dozens of whitetail with one that I've had for decades. Nothing fancy, but I have zero ethical questions with iron sights and 50-70 yard shots. I'm sure others can take a deer at longer distances, but that's about where my old man eyes limit me. I've become partial to the sabot style of bullet, too.
And if you can find them in stock the little pre-measured powder tablets are the way to go.
* Enough time has passed that it's probably closer to $200 by now, I guess.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 07:30 PM (em09h)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:30 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 07:30 PM (iBg56)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 07:31 PM (OTzUX)
For the ladies, it's important to have a bandanna (the ever-indulgent wife keeps two in her range bag so she can loan one out as needed). Tie it around your neck cowboy style and it will cover any neckline gap.
Posted by: KCSteve at April 18, 2021 07:31 PM (gw2g1)
I don't know if I can do all of them...Maybe 2. I'm still figuring out how to break it to hubby. I'm thinking I'm going to bring the girl though... She would benefit from it.
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Long Running Fool at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (Oa5xy)
Peace thru superior firepower to you all.
Posted by: DB- just DB at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (iTXRQ)
Posted by: Old Blue at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (VNmG1)
Posted by: Skip at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (Cxk7w)
Yep switch to 9mm if you can handle the recoil. ammo is way cheaper than .380.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (JUOKG)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (JUOKG)
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Basic "ball" ammo is much cheaper and easier to come by. Everything is hit or miss. The truck rolls in and hey! You win three boxes of almost reasonable ammo!
Or it's packed with crate after crate of match-grade .308 Winchester.
Saw a shipment come in with six boxes of 9mm and the rest was .222 Swift.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (llXky)
Looks like I'm going to have to break out the CZ-452 Lux for a bit of a testing session.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 07:12 PM (QzJWU)
Got a 455 FS...sadly discontinued...so sweet.
Posted by: BignJames at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (AwYPR)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 07:34 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 07:35 PM (UUBmN)
Have come close to buying a CZ 452 and its successor platform, or the Polish training rifle (patterned on the Mosin-Nagant platform), just recently hemmed/hawed/didn't pursue a local private sale of a Kimber USG training rifle (my brother will scorch me for that).
If I shot more I'd probably have more 22s.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 07:35 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: jasonj at April 18, 2021 07:35 PM (4Tpar)
They have field grade SA (springfield) and H&R for $650 14-16 week delivery
They have service grade SA and H&R for $750 14-16 week delivery.
and nonfunctioning drill rifles for 400.
A holes like me bought em all up. I'd get one while I could. I waited to buy a M-1 Carbine and poof, they were gone. I had to source my carbines on the private market and they weren't as cheap as CMP.
see link for CMP rifle prices
https://tinyurl.com/2vbwtax3
Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 18, 2021 07:35 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2021 07:35 PM (FsVxE)
Bluebell & Lin-Duh, greetings & thanks. Just got the official diagnosis a few hours ago. Nothing more than a 99.2 fever, mild, scratchy cough and muscle aches.
Food still tastes good, and the sniffer works just fine, too.
At this moment, I don't have a Covid doc., but there is one at UTMB (medical teaching college, Galveston) who IS a strong HCQ advocate. I'll get what I need, there. My regular MD up in League City isn't a fan of HCQ, being more of the "conventional thinking" herd. He's a good doc for GP and blood pressure stuff, but I won't be seeing him for Covid treatment.
Right now, I feel at about 96% Good to Go, but I know better than to lack diligence where this is concerned.
Which is why I already have the soldering iron plugged in and preheated. Hot Iron, bay bee!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 07:36 PM (QzJWU)
For semi-auto, check out the Phoenix Arms HP-22. The are dirt cheap; you used to be able to get their "range package" (the pistol with it's standard 2" barrel, the 5" "target" barrel, a couple of mags, and a case) for less than $200
Posted by: AltonJackson at April 18, 2021 07:37 PM (DUIap)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2021 07:33 PM (JUOKG)
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Counterpoint: If .380 suits you, go with it. Whatever savings you get from cheaper ammo can easily be wiped out by needing to go through tons of it to learn to control the weapon.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (llXky)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (2DOZq)
I lived through the 2013 panic, and I think the prices of both ammo and components right now are a bit higher (with components there's usually just nothing available at all in the commercial channel).
Have been musing about selling a can or two of surplus 7.62X54R from my vast stockpile. Doubt I'll ever get around to shooting it all. And the mark-up from my purchase price would be dizzying.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (OTzUX)
I can really see the wisdom of the Southwest Airlines approach -- buy one thing and buy a cubic shitload of it so all the parts are uniform. If I had to start over I'd get everything in 9mm but it's too late now.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (fLVm1)
Went to the Phoenix Gun Show, yesterday and today. Met retired sheriff Joe Arpaio, and got a copy of his book. Bought an AR-15 80% lower, and today got 9mm upper with a 20" barrel, and all the bits to complete a build.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (mzC78)
Posted by: bill in Arkansas not gonna comply with nuttin at April 18, 2021 07:39 PM (I58tH)
Until day 11, when I woke up to find I had been hit by a Mack truck.
Get on the ivermectin. You'll be glad you did.
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 07:40 PM (wyw4S)
Posted by: Martini Farmer at April 18, 2021 07:40 PM (3H9h1)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 18, 2021 07:40 PM (fLVm1)
Posted by: Common Tater at April 18, 2021 07:41 PM (83Vsn)
I bought an air rifle. It's a Crossman pump. Honestly, I bought it partly because it reminded me of my dad's, with which I grew up shooting. This one is *very* hard to break open.
Unfortunately, I discovered when it arrived that it's made in f***in' China. A disappointment, that. But I do have an air rifle now. And it came with a cheapo scope, so cool. (It's the only scope I own at this point.)
I'm also working on some lights for a couple of my weapons. I noticed that AKs don't have much of any way to add gewgaws like the AR. No chainsaw bayonets for AKs.
Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2021 07:41 PM (pjVux)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 07:42 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:42 PM (MVjcR)
Other end of things? Heritage Rough Rider .22 Single Action (cowboy gun). Very often found at under $200, retail. More straight up FUN that the law might allow.
Uberti is another one to consider, although I have no personal experience with the factory .22. I *do* have personal experience with their Single Action Army clone (Cattleman, $185 new) with a .22 adaptor in it, and it has been outstanding.
That pistol in long Colt always pisses off a dear friend of mine who paid about $1400 or so for an authentic Colt. I always have to remind him I've got a $200 piece of junk and he's got an authentic Colt, but he always reminds me that my $200 piece of junk outshoots his fancy Colt whenever we take them out together.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 07:43 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Winston GOPe not one dime, not one vote at April 18, 2021 07:44 PM (8s6Nt)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 07:44 PM (iBg56)
Posted by: f'd at April 18, 2021 07:44 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: VN Redleg at April 18, 2021 07:45 PM (1tJlA)
Take vitamin D3 now, at least 4000IU. Also zinc, I think I get 50mg. You can get Ivermectin horse wormer from Amazon and there are even reviews from folks that used it for Wuflu. But that vitamin D is critical.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2021 07:45 PM (YynYJ)
One my M1s has a rear vertical sight issue (aperture slips down during firing) and the other one needs the front sight moves a tiny bit to the right (but screw is frozen - waiting til I do one of the infrequent total disassemblies to use Kroil on it and try to break it).
But they work fine overall, and I have some key spare parts (all USGI) for them.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 07:45 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 07:46 PM (kTF2Z)
Jim, prayers for you to be back to 100% "Good to Go" very soon!
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 18, 2021 07:46 PM (kTRt4)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 18, 2021 07:38 PM (fLVm1)
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I take the opposite view: by having diversity of calibers odds are something will pop up and the price won't be half bad.
One of the last calibers to run out was .32 and I loaded up on it while it was in stock. Fun to shoot, love the Euroguns that run it.
Hitting the gun shows have been fun because people are clearly cleaning out their sock drawers and dumping 20-year-old 7.65mm Browning for *twice* what they paid for it. Since they paid $10, it's not a bad deal.
I'm really tempted by some of the oddball prices. .32 S&W Long is calling me because the weapons that use it are so cheap.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:46 PM (llXky)
Friend told me today he shot an Arex Rex Zero. I had no idea what that was until I looked it up on the interwebs. Apparently a Slovenia company that cloned the P226.
Interesting. Thanks for this. The P226 is one of my favorite pistols, and a fine, easy shooting gun. I'll keep my eyes out for one of these.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 07:47 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 07:47 PM (2DOZq)
Guns and liquor. A match made in heaven.
GREEN!!!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 18, 2021 07:47 PM (fLVm1)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 07:46 PM (kTF2Z)
No, I am pretty sure Weasel Dog and Little Joe are keeping their eyes on us.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at April 18, 2021 07:48 PM (QjRKG)
. Our current paranoia is that biden et al will stop internet sales of ammo. Any thoughts on that? Obama stopped internet sales of tobacco with just his pen.Posted by: Az-357 at April 18, 2021 07:48 PM (XTpzI)
It was a lot of fun putting it all in writing, but I am so thankful I found this place.
Jesse, I shot a Ruger 22 I think on our first trip to the range. It was a pretty comfortable fit as I recall and maybe something for Lin-Duh to consider. If you could post the details. Obviously, I have no idea. Also, this site, Guns.com has really interesting articles. Sent me one the other day about a new Glock 22 that they thought was pretty good. Reviews and other info at the site. My son thought I was making a joke when I told him I ordered the rifle from Guns.com. Wonder how they managed to secure that name.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 07:49 PM (sd8p8)
Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2021 07:50 PM (wKtwp)
A Utah reporter showed up unannounced at EMTs house to ask him about his 10 dollar donation(on live tv) to Kyle Rittenhouse.
Now his job is investigating him.
Can someone wake up our 'leaders' to start fighting this shit?
Posted by: war at April 18, 2021 07:50 PM (4U8XC)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at April 18, 2021 07:40 PM (fLVm1)
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There was a local company that did remanufactured ammo. They went under before all this started, but they sold 250 round bags at the gun shows for superb prices. I've got a little of it left and yesterday I was reflecting with one of my buddies who also bought their product...
Would it have killed us to bought that extra bag or two?
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:50 PM (llXky)
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 07:51 PM (em09h)
I'm really tempted by some of the oddball prices. .32 S&W Long is calling me because the weapons that use it are so cheap.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd
My Pop inherited, and now brother has, a Colt Police Positive (1925) that only shoots S&W long.
Weird, eh?
Posted by: MkY (Lost my AR) at April 18, 2021 07:51 PM (09A+N)
Bluebell & Lin-Duh, greetings & thanks. Just got the official diagnosis a few hours ago. Nothing more than a 99.2 fever, mild, scratchy cough and muscle aches.
Food still tastes good, and the sniffer works just fine, too.
At this moment, I don't have a Covid doc., but there is one at UTMB (medical teaching college, Galveston) who IS a strong HCQ advocate. I'll get what I need, there. My regular MD up in League City isn't a fan of HCQ, being more of the "conventional thinking" herd. He's a good doc for GP and blood pressure stuff, but I won't be seeing him for Covid treatment.
Right now, I feel at about 96% Good to Go, but I know better than to lack diligence where this is concerned.
Which is why I already have the soldering iron plugged in and preheated. Hot Iron, bay bee!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 07:36 PM (QzJWU)
I'd second the vitamins and minerals...and I'd recommend picking up a finger pulse oximeter (from anywhere, but Amazon is the easiest place to purchase). What will kill you is not realizing your O2 saturation is too low til it's too late. It's also a great tool to know if you feel bad, but can stay home or you feel good, but you have to get help (aka - O2 saturation drop isn't normally noticeable til it's too late)...
I'll be sending thoughts and prayers your way that you stay in Phase 1 and get well, and never get to any Phase 2 of the disease...
Posted by: Nova local at April 18, 2021 07:51 PM (b1h2x)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 07:52 PM (kTF2Z)
Hope to meet you some day.
Posted by: nurse ratched at April 18, 2021 07:52 PM (U2p+3)
It took firemen 4 hours and 32,000 gallons of water to get the fire out. The damned batteries, which are quite dangerous, kept reigniting on them. They had to call Tesla for advise on how to put the battery fire out. No details on what, if anything, Tesla advised, other than MOAR WATER.
Posted by: publius, Rascally etc,etc at April 18, 2021 07:52 PM (Mzdiz)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 07:53 PM (2SdPm)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:53 PM (MVjcR)
Lots of good info from long term shooters.
Posted by: callsign claymore at April 18, 2021 07:53 PM (I+zD5)
First handgun I owned was a Ruger P95
(fistbump)
We've discussed it before, but that's my preferred SHTF pistol. It has NEVER not fired anything that I've put through it. And yes, I'd take it over my 226.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 07:54 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 07:54 PM (MVjcR)
I'm really tempted by some of the oddball prices. .32 S&W Long is calling me because the weapons that use it are so cheap. Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:46 PM (llXky)
You know, somebody could make a nice little business by manufacturing "80% frame" revolvers with the ability to be built in any one of the plethora of obsolete and modern pistol cartridges.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 18, 2021 07:54 PM (mzC78)
Posted by: callsign claymore at April 18, 2021 07:54 PM (I+zD5)
I think our fire department needs some re-training. If they knew it was a Tesla then it was obvious it was a chemical fire which you don't put out with just water.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 07:54 PM (2DOZq)
They can easily say that it is consistent with 2A and no court will say boo.
I wouldn't be surprised on any given day if it happens. I don't think that's too cynical. They promised to do it. They have a like minded Congress. And no effective opposition.
Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2021 07:55 PM (wKtwp)
Posted by: Winston GOPe not one dime, not one vote at April 18, 2021 07:55 PM (8s6Nt)
Posted by: callsign claymore at April 18, 2021 07:56 PM (I+zD5)
Posted by: MkY (Lost my AR) at April 18, 2021 07:51 PM (09A+N)
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The older revolvers offer some incredible bargains. Younger crowd doesn't much care for them, but you can find some in excellent condition going for grocery money. The ammo is a little trickier, but like I said, at shows you'll see battered old boxes fished out of someone's closet that are still good to go.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 07:56 PM (llXky)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 07:56 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 07:58 PM (sd8p8)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (YynYJ)
Posted by: Common Tater at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (83Vsn)
Posted by: Ben Had at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (fidon)
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (kTRt4)
Posted by: publius, Rascally etc,etc at April 18, 2021 07:52 PM (Mzdiz) I think our fire department needs some re-training. If they knew it was a Tesla then it was obvious it was a chemical fire which you don't put out with just water. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 07:54 PM (2DOZq)Ok, somebody's gonna have to go back and get a shitload of baking soda!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (kTF2Z)
The last time we shot tracers there we only made a couple of little fires.
The RO at NAS Pensacola was pissed as hell after the fires started. Ejected us from the range he did. Thought better of it as he needed us to help stomp out the brush fires.
Way, way, way too much paperwork involved if the Fire and Emergency Department gets called out.
Truly - nothing in the world prettier than pallets of expired .50 Cal M17/M20 cans sitting around the range. Snif - Brings a tear to my eye, it does.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (Rvt88)
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at April 18, 2021 07:25 PM (JUOKG)
That's great just for the odd number. I see 100 or 150 or 50, but that's different.
Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2021 07:59 PM (pjVux)
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 18, 2021 08:00 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: bill in Arkansas not gonna comply with nuttin at April 18, 2021 08:01 PM (I58tH)
(Although I don't think the Schulz estate will ever allow a Snoopy-branded AR15 to be licensed.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 18, 2021 08:01 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (sd8p8)
Interesting info on older ammo. What do you think would fit a H&R 632?
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (7bRMQ)
Posted by: publius, Rascally etc,etc at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (Mzdiz)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 18, 2021 07:45 PM (YynYJ)
I've got everything but the ivermectin "on board" already. My vitamin D load is far above average at baseline, as I'm always out in the sun, and am a confirmed, raging milkaholic. Whole milk w/ D enhancement. But another couple thousand IQ on top of all that can't hurt.
Plus Zinc and B complex caps.
The secret ingredient though, of course, is Bourbon. Think of it as slapping a liquid hot iron to it.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (QzJWU)
Posted by: blaster at April 18, 2021 08:03 PM (wKtwp)
And .22LR is anything but cheap these days. The pre-panic prices were $8.00 for a brick of 100. Now, I can't find it locally, and online prices are $25.00 for 100 rounds plus I have to pay shipping which is often another $25.00. So you pay for 5 boxes and get 4!
I've been shooting a pellet gun for practice and doing routine maintenance and looking for a few spare parts.
Be safe and practice where and how you can.
What's the word on the next NoVaMoMe? I haven't heard anything and my wife asked about it today.
Posted by: wareagle82 at April 18, 2021 08:03 PM (+Kpte)
How's everyone today?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 18, 2021 08:04 PM (bgJ0E)
The secret ingredient though, of course, is Bourbon. Think of it as slapping a liquid hot iron to it.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (QzJWU)
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We had multiple confirmed cases of H1N1 in our family. I didn't get sick at all. Bourbon and spicy chili. It's all you need.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 08:04 PM (llXky)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 18, 2021 08:04 PM (b8eqQ)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 08:04 PM (sd8p8)
Heh. I was just looking -- Tesla has put out emergency guide for fighting battery fires. "Lots of water" is indeed one of the recommendations. The reason is to try to absorb heat.
Any documentation stating the amount of miles required by X number of electric cars to make up for the emissions from the batteries burning into the atmosphere?
Or are we just supposed to not count that part?
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:05 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:05 PM (2DOZq)
Know your calibers, especially which one is the most deadly of all!
https://tinyurl.com/5dumyzzn
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 18, 2021 08:05 PM (L2ZTs)
Posted by: Cowboyneal at April 18, 2021 08:05 PM (U2zo0)
They have been selling the Philippine rifles since 2018. Right now the IHC's and WRA's are sold out (all grades) .
Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 18, 2021 08:05 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:06 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 08:06 PM (wyw4S)
They had to call Tesla for advise on how to put the battery fire out. No details on what, if anything, Tesla advised, other than MOAR WATER.
Posted by: publius, Rascally etc,etc at April 18, 2021 07:52 PM
Bad advice, if given. Lithium fires need a dry extinguisher.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 18, 2021 08:06 PM (DMUuz)
Oh man, the kits have been sold out for months, it seems. I was really interested in one after putting together my AR15.
Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2021 08:07 PM (pjVux)
The secret ingredient though, of course, is Bourbon. Think of it as slapping a liquid hot iron to it.
Sometime last year a moron had posted an image to a DIY COVID test that was something like smoking a cigar and drinking bourbon. Roughly:
Can you smell the smoke and taste the bourbon? [ ] yes [ ] no
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:07 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Common Tater at April 18, 2021 08:07 PM (83Vsn)
Posted by: Old Blue at April 18, 2021 08:07 PM (VNmG1)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:08 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 08:08 PM (iBg56)
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 18, 2021 08:09 PM (L2ZTs)
My daughter got my pulse ox at Target for $26.99.
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 08:09 PM (wyw4S)
USE WATER TO FIGHT A HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY FIRE. If the battery catches fire, is exposed to high heat, or is generating heat or gases, use large amounts of water to cool the battery. It can take approximately 3,000 gallons (11,356 liters) of water, applied directly to the battery, to fully extinguish and cool down a battery fire; always establish or request an additional water supply. If water is not immediately available, use dry chemicals, CO2, foam, or another typical fire-extinguishing agent to fight the fire until water is available. Apply water directly to the battery. If safety permits, lift or tilt the vehicle for more direct access to the battery. Apply water inside the battery ONLY if a natural opening (such as a vent or opening from a collision) already exists. Do not open the battery for the purpose of cooling it.
Posted by: publius, Rascally etc,etc at April 18, 2021 08:09 PM (Mzdiz)
Screaming in Digital, definitely let us know if you are coming our way even if it's not til October. (as long as it doesn't conflict with Texas). It is so much fun to get to meet people in person. Iris is also close and Jesse.Posted by:Sharon
Will do! It's scheduled for early October, so no conflict with Texas. My oldest nephew also lives in that region, so I don't want to miss a rare opportunity to see him. If I have to get a covid shot to fly... well I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. I'm driving to Texas but it's too far to drive to Baltimore/DC.
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 18, 2021 08:10 PM (kTRt4)
Posted by: Jesse in DC at April 18, 2021 08:11 PM (Yp3Ga)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 18, 2021 08:02 PM (7bRMQ)
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Revolvers are interesting because they have the ability to chamber all sorts of stuff that may or may not be good for them.
Take the .32 ACP for example. It's semi-rimmed, so it should fit into any revolver chambered for .32 caliber.
BUT it has much higher pressure than what those revolvers were built to accept. You can literally blow up the damn gun. Lots of those older revolvers were originally built for black powder loads and when smokeless became the thing, they simply kept making ammo at the old pressures. The interwebs say that the 632 was built for S&W .32 Long which means that it can also handle .32 S&W short.
BUT the key is to do the research and see what the pressure of those rounds are. After WW I, a lot of British Webley's were "shaved" to accept .45 ACP which they are NOT able to handle. Pressure is too high.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 08:11 PM (llXky)
Posted by: Grog at April 18, 2021 08:12 PM (YFj/0)
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 08:12 PM (7EjX1)
enemy-of-the-people-utah-journo-goes-to-paramedics-house-to-ask-about-his-10-donation-to-kyle-rittenhouse
(And I think this TV news insect reader should consider himself lucky he's still breathing.)
Posted by: qdpsteve at April 18, 2021 08:13 PM (L2ZTs)
Hangin' loose, like Jacinda Ardern's package.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 18, 2021 08:13 PM (mzC78)
Most of the people on the main range seem to reload, and I keep meaning to ask people up on one of the handgun ranges how they're getting/affording their ammo these days.
Another RO had a dueling tree target, but not steel - the paddles are this self-healing plasticy stuff. The "frame" is just 2x4s (so, replaceable as they get shot up ..... if you can afford it now!). Very interesting. Our range rule book has nothing on such targets, so request has gone up the chain to develop SOP and rules.
No particularly unusual gunz to report. But one thing - another day on which there were two distance rifle shooters with very impressive set-ups. Last month it was a guy with some kind of "sonic" system that reported, via wi-fi, his bullet impact points instantly back to his tablet. He had a LabRadar chrono on the other side of him. So he just got up on his elbows, checked to the left, checked to the right, and instantly had his velocities and impact points. This month, guy had some kind of camera-based system that reported his hits back to the line. Good thing I am not a distance or precision shooter - I think there is a theoretically infinite amount of $$$ that can be poured down the toys and gadgets if you have that form of the disease.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:14 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 08:14 PM (jvt6t)
No bullets, no sabot and other stuff. Just round ball loads.
Yeah, for plinking I only use lead balls. If I'm putting meat in the freezer - and trying to take the animal in the quickest, most ethical way possible - I use the sabots.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:15 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 08:15 PM (jvt6t)
Still got a Springfield model tucked away. It looks good at gun displays of the MG's, artfully placed on the floor to help the impression that the Gee rand was dropped while fighting to get to a proper weapon.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 18, 2021 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:16 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
Hangin' loose, like Jacinda Ardern's package.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 18, 2021 08:13 PM (mzC7
Dude.... I cannot unsee the mental picture. Damme your eyes sir.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at April 18, 2021 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 08:18 PM (jvt6t)
Thanks, I have no idea about production date, so I'm not sure how old it might be. Probably at least fifty years or more.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 18, 2021 08:18 PM (7bRMQ)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:19 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 08:19 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: Justsayin' at April 18, 2021 08:21 PM (Fs5vw)
That is kind of what I had in mind by gathering the parts to build an AR-15 in 9 mm. Readily available, low cost ammo, and can reach out past a hundred yards, if need be.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 18, 2021 08:21 PM (mzC78)
Moron Robbie, painless for the animal?
Yes, but for us both, honestly. I approach hunting in a fairly bittersweet way and have almost given it up a few times after watching animals teaching their young and the little ones playing. I'm not giving up meat, though, and I still do it partly for the tradition and partly to remind myself that something's life has to be sacrificed so that my family's does not. The least I can do is try to make it quick.
Way too many people think meat just grows in the grocery store in clean little styrofoam packages. I don't want to ever take it for granted.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:21 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Ben Had at April 18, 2021 08:22 PM (fidon)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 08:22 PM (sd8p8)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
Really not a bad idea. The AR platform is the Mr. Potato Head of rifles, and the 9mm is the most common of ammos (I think).
Posted by: MkY (Lost my AR) at April 18, 2021 08:23 PM (09A+N)
Finally got the boss to the range and it appears she likes the S&W Model 60 (snub-nose 357/38 revolver). She shot it well, said she enjoyed it. It has a very effective CrimsonTrace laser grip on it, which I have yet to demo for her in the dark. Guy I bought it from dialed it in perfectly.
So even as we virtually speak, I'm plotting a new load to work up for her practice, something between the light lead bullet loads I use for revolver matches and the Federal and Speer self-defense ammo I have for this revolver. I have a bunch of 130gr FMJ bullets in 357 I've never found a good use for, so now I have one.
And I discovered that, somehow, I loaded a bunch of 9mm too light to cycle my XD9 properly. There has been a reloading stand-down, and a formal investigation has been launched. Firings and stern letters may result. Always work up my loads for semi-autos to where they cycle the gun, and then add a small margin (.1 extra grain of powder), for reliability. Did so with this load, but there's no doubt - get a FTE/FTF about every 6th or 7th round. Was able to confirm the pistol's OK yesterday after a match, ran some mags of factory ammo, and some other reloads, through it - no problem.
I'm going to get cute and see if using my old recoil spring will allow these reloads to work, if not, then a fellow RO buddy who always gives me stuff will get a few hundred rounds - his Glock cycled just fine with them this week.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:23 PM (OTzUX)
It wasn't a cold.
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 08:23 PM (wyw4S)
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 18, 2021 08:24 PM (b8eqQ)
Posted by:Ben Hadat April 18, 2021 08:22 PM (fidon)
------Congratulations!!!!!!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:24 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 08:25 PM (wyw4S)
It does not seem that it's all newbies with a new gun and two boxes of ammo. Today I met two new guys who were former Marine snipers and were looking to get back into long range. Great gear and they knew the language.
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:26 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 08:27 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by:Common Tater
--- The vitamin D absorption is "latitude" dependent. I think it was everyone north of Denver(?) can be outside naked all day in the winter and not get enough vitamin D.And for the rest of us there are certain times of the day you have to be out to get your skin working at making vitamin D. And the bad news: after you're, ahem, 29 your skin doesn't work as well as it used to; so, you need to supplement anyway.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 08:27 PM (gtatv)
In an attached condo, or apartment building, or typical suburban development, you might not want a WWII battle rifle to stop someone who's down the hall. For many reasons.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:27 PM (OTzUX)
That is kind of what I had in mind by gathering the parts to build an AR-15 in 9 mm.
AOP, look at a magwell adaptor and 9mm upper. You'll need to get a heavier buffer (8oz or above IIRC), but you can use a 5.56 AR lower you've already got.
I think RRA sells everything at their website in the link above, but they're pretty proud of the magwell adaptors. I think those are around $100 or so at other stores.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:28 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 08:29 PM (sd8p8)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 18, 2021 08:18 PM (7bRMQ)
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It's possible to figure out the production date based on serial number and then see what the specs were when it was made.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 08:29 PM (llXky)
Ben Had, thank you for posting the Good News 'bout Rancher Bob & the CowHorse Queen's son's Happy Blessed Day!
As "friends of the blog" go, they're about as top of the heap as it gets.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 08:29 PM (QzJWU)
Good luck and God bless.
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:29 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 08:30 PM (zl7B8)
Here's to many, many years of happiness and love!
Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2021 08:30 PM (Rvt88)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:30 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 08:30 PM (iBg56)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:31 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: screaming in digital at April 18, 2021 08:32 PM (kTRt4)
Posted by:Ben Had
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Congratulations to the parents and may the newlywed have many happy years in their future.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 08:32 PM (gtatv)
Second: To practice and save ammo, consider getting an air rifle or pistol and a bullet trap for indoor fun. For the air guns there are plenty available with good accuracy at the limits of your basement range that don't make a huge dent in your pocket book. Remember that you are working on your shooting muscle memory and sight picture. For a bullet trap, I like the one I got from Sig-Sauer. It has right and left knock down targets with a center reset target that, IIRC, was about 30-40 bucks.
Third: For a Black Powder rifle I have a T/C 50 cal Hawkins and it is an absolute blast (SWIDT) to shoot. Mine is a finish it yourself kit that I got in the mid-90's. Don't know if they're still available though. There is something about the slow, methodical loading and firing of a black powder rifle, especially using a patched round ball, that makes it one of my favorites when I'm stalking the wild tin can.
Posted by: Fritzy at April 18, 2021 08:32 PM (VY+MJ)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:33 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:33 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 08:33 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 08:34 PM (sd8p8)
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at April 18, 2021 08:34 PM (sd8p
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A really great family all around!!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:35 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Heidi at April 18, 2021 08:35 PM (S4jmh)
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Congrats to all!
Posted by: dartist at April 18, 2021 08:35 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:35 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:36 PM (BXZLC)
I just bought wrist rocket and 1600 steel ball bearings. Hey, ya never know.
Stock up on replacement spark plugs and spurval bearings. They sell out quickly.
Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2021 08:36 PM (Rvt88)
No worries there. I think i have that covered.
Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 08:36 PM (jvt6t)
Yesterday's was very good. Shot the 1911 because of my reload/cycling adventure with the XD (and this is not the revolver-friendly ICORE-ish monthly match, this is the other one). Slowed down, paid attention to finger position on the trigger, and shot fairly well.
In the last year I've shot less than in the previous 8 or 9. Getting back into these matches will raise my round count nicely.
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:37 PM (OTzUX)
Posted by: Heidi at April 18, 2021 08:37 PM (S4jmh)
Posted by: Jak Sucio at April 18, 2021 08:37 PM (jvt6t)
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Where has Bob been? Tell him I said hello, please.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 08:37 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: bluebell at April 18, 2021 08:37 PM (wyw4S)
I find it hard to believe that CowHorseQueen is old enough to have a son of marriageable age, but since you said it was so, I wish their son and his bride many happy years together!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 08:38 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by
uke Lowellat April 18, 2021 08:33 PM (kTF2Z)
At least you shouldn't put your own eye out with it.
Posted by: Roy at April 18, 2021 08:38 PM (Ti+Tv)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:39 PM (BXZLC)
Fritzy, Spot on. T/C no longer makes the Hawkin or Renegade although there are a bunch of used ones out there. The pace of loading and firing traditional muzzleloaders is part of the attraction for many of us. Not to mention the connection to history.
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 08:39 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:39 PM (em09h)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:40 PM (MVjcR)
I think RRA sells everything at their website in the link above, but they're pretty proud of the magwell adaptors. I think those are around $100 or so at other stores. Posted by: Reverend Chanequa Moron-Robbie Deonkay Smith III at April 18, 2021 08:28 PM (em09h)
I got an Obsidian Arms 20" 9 mm upper, with bolt, although it measures out at about 18" from the rear of the chamber to the end of the muzzle. It has an M-Lok label on it. I got the buffer tube, heavier buffer plug, and small parts kit as well. Also an adaptor that goes in a regular 5.56 P-Mag to allow it to stack and feed 9 mm.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 18, 2021 08:40 PM (mzC78)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 08:41 PM (0OP+5)
I'll go fully against convention here, so get'cher slings and arrows aimed and ready.
The "blackpowder" rifle for me will be a modern one with breech loading, and the ability to wrench out the percussion cap breech and spin-in a 209 primer-ready breech in it's place. Or the reverse, as might be required. Versatility.
Breech loading, cause if it was good enough for the Ferguson Rifle, it's classic enough for me.
What I don't know is whether I'd go traditional blackpowder, modern pseudo-blackpowder, or the pressed cylinders of pre-measured boomy pills.
Sabot loads as primary, ball as practice and backup. And a twist rate selected to serve both, if possible.
If I'm resorting to the primitive, I want mine to be the most non-primitive one in the field. Because going to that Last Ditch implement means exactly that, and no one will care if I'm true to Davy Crockett's long rifle or Kit Carson's Hawken.
I just want gear that's gonna work, even if in the pouring rain.
That said? The smallbore Pennsylvania Rifle is about as pretty as they come, and the art in some of those is mind blowing in the extreme.
Owning and shooting one of those WOULD be for entertainment purposes, and especially if "squirrel" was the headliner for the day's entertainment.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at April 18, 2021 08:42 PM (QzJWU)
I completely agree with this idea. Since I got back into handgun shooting, I use 3-5 targets and then take them home and look at them. I'll maybe fire around a hundred rounds or so, but I'm not really keeping track. I remember, usually, when I shot at that particular target, and I try to remember any specific ideas I was thinking at the time.
There are certainly times when I was nailing the center, and times where the broad side of a barn were safe. I remember the good shots and try to figure out how I was holding, the stance, and anything else. I also try to remember the bad shots, and what I was doing wrong.
Then, I take my pistol out, check it to make sure it is empty, make sure the ammo is not in the room, check it again, and then practice dry-fire. My grip has improved, the feel is just more comfortable and natural, and I can concentrate on my next area of improvement, the trigger pull.
For me, anyway, this is working, and often I am not firing a round, saving money.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 18, 2021 08:45 PM (sy5kK)
She said "we already did that."
I said "let's do it again!"
Posted by: Covfefe Joe at April 18, 2021 08:45 PM (S4jmh)
[ AndyRooneyVoice ] Didja ever do something* dumb and, while you're doing it, say to yourself "Self, this is probably a dumb thing" and then go ahead and do it anyway? [ /AndyRooneyVoice ]
* keeping the topic restricted to gun purchases, lest we be here all night
I bought another project rifle when I haven't finished the last two I started. This one is a Savage model 12 in 6mm BR. Which is not a bad cartridge but this barrel has a twist that's way too slow for the heavier bullets I'm going to want to shoot. I've already accepted the idea that I may need to rebarrel and if I do that, I probably won't keep it 6BR. 6mm Dasher might be a good choice, or maybe .308 since I already have dies and it would let me shoot in F/TR. And right now all my stuff is packed up preparing for a move. I'm hoping to have a working, presentable rifle by MoMe time but we'll see.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 18, 2021 08:46 PM (qc+VF)
Posted by: Gouverneur Morris at April 18, 2021 08:46 PM (PHxng)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 08:47 PM (iBg56)
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 08:38 PM (OTzUX)
I believe they still have a second location still open. Boyerts Gun range. Very interesting history if you have time to look them up.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:48 PM (2DOZq)
THIS is why we come here! More and bigger is better!
Posted by: Covfefe Joe at April 18, 2021 08:48 PM (S4jmh)
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 08:48 PM (pO7gM)
no range time, but ammo is showing up more and more and, happy day, i moved something here in Asshole Central, and found an 8# jug of IMR 4350.
now to try and remember WTF i was going to load with that...
Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated at April 18, 2021 08:49 PM (/KPPD)
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 08:50 PM (pO7gM)
Yup, love mine. So sweet, and it has always worked like a champ.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 18, 2021 08:50 PM (sy5kK)
They bring it to my house in big boxes. Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 08:47 PM (iBg56)Your range brings you big boxes of ammo? Where is this range? Asking for, well, everyone.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 08:50 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Tonypete at April 18, 2021 08:51 PM (Rvt88)
Yup, love mine. So sweet, and it has always worked like a champ.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at April 18, 2021 08:50 PM (sy5kK)
They are really a lot of fun!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:52 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 08:52 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 08:53 PM (0OP+5)
Jim, No slings or arrows needed. Just a matter of preference. My interest in MLs and BP guns in general grew out of interest in history. As it turned out, the traditional style also can lead to more involvement in the hobby with making gear, learning older ways of doing things, etc. Since I don't hunt anymore I take a wider and more relaxed approach to using the guns. And in my case, the guns often feel better than modern ones for balance and recoil.
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 08:53 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: Heidi at April 18, 2021 08:53 PM (S4jmh)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:53 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 08:54 PM (iBg56)
Quite a bit of steel cased .223 and 7.62 x 39 around and getting a bit cheaper. Aimsurplus has quite a bit as does JG Sales. Brass reloadable .223/5.56 is around but about 1 buck per round unless buying in bulk. Plenty of .308 Winchester around.
Other rifle calibers depend on US usage--.30-06 in short supply and high. Euro calibers are around and just slightly elevated.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 08:55 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: The Walking Dude at April 18, 2021 08:55 PM (cCxiu)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:55 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 08:56 PM (iBg56)
Too creaky now to do the shade tree mechanic thing and pay others to do it.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 08:57 PM (pO7gM)
uke Lowell
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Just curious, which brand WR? Have you used a WR in the past?
I used to be quite the shot with a WR and small rocks (out shot some friends with 22lr on close stuff). I've been contemplating getting another.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 08:57 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:57 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:57 PM (2DOZq)
Maybe take pics between groups?
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:59 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at April 18, 2021 08:59 PM (a4EWo)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 09:00 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 08:57 PM (2DOZq)
Maybe take pics between groups?
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 08:59 PM (MVjcR)
Yes that is an obvious solution . Morons can be also be morons sometimes.Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:02 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 09:02 PM (UUBmN)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 09:03 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:03 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 09:02 PM (UUBmN)
Did they catch the guy yet?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:04 PM (2DOZq)
Oddbob, check out the 6mm ARC it's pretty much a BR all sammi-ed up...Thanks for the suggestion but if it's a Grendel head diameter, then I would need to change bolt heads. Which is certainly doable on a Savage, so... Another one to put on the think pile. I'm not exactly an early adopter when it comes to calibers though. Other than an oddball Contender barrel, the 6BR is the first rifle caliber I've owned that was USGI standard issue at one point or another.
Posted by: Oddbob at April 18, 2021 09:04 PM (qc+VF)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:04 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 09:04 PM (iBg56)
Hope to get out the range this week finally. Been tied up with work and some health issues.
BTW, old S&W Hand Ejectors, Rossi Model 69's, and Colt Police Positive in .32 S&W Long (aka .32 Colt New Police) revolvers are around for a lot less than .38 Special. Fun to shoot and easy on the hands. It is pretty much a reloading proposition right now unless you want to pay about 1 buck per round.
Buffalo Bore makes some decent self defense ammo in .32 S&W Long that is safe in solid frame revolvers made by Colt, Rossi, or S&W. Do not use this ammo in the break open revolvers. It is standard pressure but hard on those old break open revolvers as their heat treatment was either absent or not that well done on key action parts.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:05 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 09:06 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: f'd at April 18, 2021 09:06 PM (Tnijr)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:07 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 09:07 PM (UUBmN)
still hoping to make the MoMe as a couple, but Resident 3vil getting dumped on April Fool's Day kinda puts a crimp in all sorts of things.
Posted by: redc1c4 *OTUS Zhou Bai-Din Cheated at April 18, 2021 09:07 PM (/KPPD)
PCC's are my first love.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:08 PM (2DOZq)
What's a Bronie?
Some weird sexual prevert I reckon....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 09:08 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 09:09 PM (BXZLC)
Posted by: lin-duh at April 18, 2021 09:07 PM (UUBmN)
I read about it when it first broke and he was on the run. I thought they may have caught him by now. Unfortunately he's probably in Houston now.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:09 PM (2DOZq)
You can still find them, used, but at a premium price.
Posted by: davidt at April 18, 2021 09:10 PM (ez/ed)
You can still find them, used, but at a premium price.
Posted by: davidt at April 18, 2021 09:10 PM (ez/ed)
Is that what Jeremiah Johnson had?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:11 PM (2DOZq)
Not related to PPE, but normal glasses. I cannot count the number of times wearing spectacles has probably saved my eyes from serious damage.
Posted by: Davod at April 18, 2021 09:12 PM (fGRf+)
CowHorseQueen and RancherBob are great friends to this site. Their son got married yesterday and I would like for folks to wish the happy couple well.
(* miming raising a glass to CHQ, RB, and the happy couple *)
Posted by: Oddbob at April 18, 2021 09:13 PM (qc+VF)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 09:13 PM (gtatv)
Some weird sexual prevert I reckon....
Posted by: Hairyback Guy"
My Little Pony Penis fan.
Posted by: f'd at April 18, 2021 09:13 PM (Tnijr)
Reports are out there via John Farnam's DTI that Winchester and Remington have been having some issues QC wise on range ammo. The Federal companies, Speer, Federal, Blazer, CCI, are reportedly fine.
Handguns blaster ammo, usually keep some reloading notes by cartridge but don't bother to have separate notebooks for particular handguns. Those bound lab or school notebooks for a single class make good cheap notebooks for particular rifles or loads.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:13 PM (pO7gM)
Male fans of the animated "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic" kids show, many of whom overlap with the notorious furry community, i.e., people who like to dress up as anthropomorphic animals.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:15 PM (+WWsf)
My Little Pony Penis fan. Posted by: f'd at April 18, 2021 09:13 PM (Tnijr)And such a person would turn out to be a bit off in the head? Huh.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:15 PM (kTF2Z)
The killer in IN reportedly expressed wishes that he actually could become a particular pony on the show in real life.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:16 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:16 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:15 PM (kTF2Z)
Yes but violent would be my last guess.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:16 PM (2DOZq)
Jeremiah probably had an original, from the Hawken bros in St Louis.
https://tinyurl.com/8t5bf87h
Posted by: davidt at April 18, 2021 09:16 PM (ez/ed)
Ok.....don't know what that is either but freaks gotta freak.
Thanks f'd!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 09:17 PM (R/m4+)
Caught a semi-jacket straight back onto them during an IDPA match. Didn't even nick them.
Posted by: sardiver at April 18, 2021 09:17 PM (s0DTB)
Posted by: RI Red at April 18, 2021 09:18 PM (BXZLC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fVOF2PiHnc
It's 70 minutes long, and way more than you'd ever wanna know about the subject, but if you enjoy learning about weird internet subcultures, then enjoy.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:18 PM (+WWsf)
Got it. Dude needs to grow up but too late now I figure.
Thanks whig!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 09:18 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at April 18, 2021 09:18 PM (RJCvt)
You can still find them, used, but at a premium price.
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I have the flintlock kit that I never finished in the 80s. I wonder what a gunsmith would charge to put it together.
Posted by: dartist at April 18, 2021 09:18 PM (+ya+t)
If firing hard recoiling handguns or those that are prone to hammer and slide bite, I wear shooter's open tip gloves.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:19 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:19 PM (MVjcR)
Yes but violent would be my last guess. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:16 PM (2DOZq)If someone is crazy enough to think he can be a real life version of a cartoon pony, I'm thinking that nothing is off the table.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:20 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:21 PM (2DOZq)
Hormones do have a part in how people behave.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:21 PM (pO7gM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equestranauts
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:22 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 18, 2021 09:22 PM (llXky)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Equestranauts
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:22 PM (+WWsf)
That was a good one. Equestranauts.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:23 PM (2DOZq)
First things first. I have yet to buy a weapon.
Posted by: Davod at April 18, 2021 09:23 PM (fGRf+)
Especially as they have their own range.
Posted by: Davod at April 18, 2021 09:24 PM (fGRf+)
Thanks whig. You always have good intel.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 09:25 PM (R/m4+)
Apologies for being absent during the middle of the thread. Had to do some thread housekeeping. Anyhoo, thank you all for being here. As I said above I really do appreciate all of you spending part of your weekend here. This place wouldn't be the same without you!! Hoping you enjoy what is left of your evening and wishing you a great week!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:25 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:25 PM (dNykz)
Posted by: Ladyl at April 18, 2021 09:26 PM (TdMsT)
Twenty bucks, same as in town.
Posted by: 4 at April 18, 2021 09:26 PM (KnJdm)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:27 PM (kTF2Z)
I see we have similar tastes in .22 bolt guns. I took mine out this Saturday morning to shoot steel silhouette for the first time at Rio Salado. More fun than you should be allowed to have with only rounds of .22 LR.
Posted by: The Osprey at April 18, 2021 09:27 PM (3XXzv)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:26 PM (MVjcR)
Ya didn't even flick the lights or announce last call.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:28 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:28 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:27 PM (kTF2Z)
This.
Posted by: 4 at April 18, 2021 09:29 PM (KnJdm)
Ya didn't even flick the lights or announce last call.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:28 PM (2DOZq)
It ain't over yet!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:29 PM (MVjcR)
Excellent point.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 18, 2021 09:29 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:30 PM (+WWsf)
Agree. In this case the red flag was the FBI interview and taking his shotgun. I'm not quite sure if he bought the rifles before or after the interview though either has its own set of issues.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:31 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:31 PM (dNykz)
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Man, that's no shit.
Posted by: dartist at April 18, 2021 09:33 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:33 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by:Walter Freemanat April 18, 2021 09:30 PM (+WWsf)
You are missing "Make it impossible for anyone to buy a gun legally." Which the left are going to push and the GoPe will failure theater all over, cause their corporate masters will demand their performance.Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 09:34 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 09:34 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by:Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Greenat April 18, 2021 09:31 PM (dNykz)
May I suggest you do not do an image search, and especially not with filters turned off.How God hasn't smote us I will never know.
Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 09:35 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by:klafternat April 18, 2021 09:34 PM (RuIsu)
I will bet But have no desire to know) that Pron hub has a channel about rising Bronies.
Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 09:36 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: davidt at April 18, 2021 09:36 PM (ez/ed)
Posted by: JTB at April 18, 2021 09:36 PM (7EjX1)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth
Shotgun was confiscated in March. He bought the rifles in July. Complete failure but hey a couple new laws will remedy that.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:36 PM (dNykz)
Is the happy couple registered somewhere? Perhaps we could give them a combined gift from the TxMoMe group?
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at April 18, 2021 09:37 PM (e6bHS)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:37 PM (+WWsf)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 09:37 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2021 09:38 PM (FsVxE)
Posted by: Bete
My curiosity does not extend that far. I saw the Bob's Burgers episode.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:39 PM (dNykz)
Posted by:Eromeroat April 18, 2021 09:37 PM (0OP+5)
Unless stated otherwise I assume all medical professionals are all in on taking guns away "for safety" and conduct all conversations with them accordingly in what I disclose.Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 09:40 PM (Ojki1)
Of course on the range your timing is right on the money!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 09:40 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:40 PM (MVjcR)
If he needed help from the VA later, he could be flagged. Crenshaw should be flogged.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:41 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 09:41 PM (0OP+5)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:41 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Eromero at April 18, 2021 09:06 PM (0OP+5)
and not so subtle encouragement along with tacit approval
Posted by: Braenyard at April 18, 2021 09:41 PM (zl7B8)
That's the thing though. Simple confiscation without criminal charges or a mental health hospitalization means his local police were holding the shotgun down at the precinct, and there's a process for getting the gun back, usually a written request, and maybe an in-person interview.
It's an informal procedural matter, not codified law.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:42 PM (+WWsf)
But what is this strange new world? I can order ammo online with no hassle, yes, but it's mostly out of stock and far more expensive than I ever imagined. The brands are different. I remember Federal being the good stuff, and CCI being OK range ammo, but there's like a million choices now, some of them are probably terrible, some wonderful, and I don't know where to begin.
I would have look for the archives of previous gun threads, but we all know why I can't do that. So, a couple of questions:
What are good ammo sources online?
What are good ammo brands, both the good stuff and good reliable range fodder.
Bonus question: where the hell can I find ammo for my 264 Win Mag rifle?
Posted by: Splunge at April 18, 2021 09:42 PM (RzGcW)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:43 PM (dNykz)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 09:44 PM (nxdel)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:45 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 09:45 PM (2SdPm)
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Let alone admit to using any cannabis product. Of all the liberal shit they're pouring over us how come weed is still illegal federally?
Posted by: dartist at April 18, 2021 09:45 PM (+ya+t)
Posted by: Splunge at April 18, 2021 09:46 PM (RzGcW)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 09:46 PM (nxdel)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 09:44 PM (nxdel)
Yeah, Jewells is a stern task master. You bet I'll behave from now on!Posted by: Jewells' heating pad at April 18, 2021 09:46 PM (2SdPm)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:47 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:47 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:42 PM (+WWsf)
No they have to present case to the court after two weeks if they want to continue to hold the weapons.
I don't agree with red flag laws based on subjective danger but I do believe we can't ignore objective danger and maybe not sell guns to someone who was just interviewed by the FBI for cause without another check. You don't need new laws for that.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:48 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2021 09:48 PM (FsVxE)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 09:48 PM (nxdel)
Well, it doesn't get better than that. Thank you.
Posted by: Splunge at April 18, 2021 09:49 PM (RzGcW)
Posted by: Splunge at April 18, 2021 09:42 PM (RzGcW)
I recently had the pleasure of shooting one of those. Impressive round.Buddy of mine has one, and found a couple of boxes of ammo in an out of the way gun shop a couple of months ago. Didn't even pay scalper prices.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 09:49 PM (2SdPm)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 09:50 PM (nxdel)
I'm kidding!! You know I love you!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:50 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Walter Freeman
That by itself is troubling. If a firearm is removed for valid reasons it should be based on codified law. Without a strict standard to apply that lends itself to abuse.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:50 PM (dNykz)
Posted by:dartistat April 18, 2021 09:45 PM (+ya+t)
Because then Dems can run eternally on the issue, using the idea their candidate may change the law to get otherwise apathetic voters for whom this is their issue to come out and vote. and with opposition decreasing as time goes on, it is a net gain in terms of issues to run on.Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 09:50 PM (Ojki1)
You don't need new laws for that. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:48 PM (2DOZq)I don't trust the FBI any further than I could throw the Hoover building.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:50 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by:Splunge
--- I have used ammoseek and set parameters to get rid of ammo I will not use (Al and anything from Tula/Wolf). I have been *very* pleased.
If you need to shoot some .38/.357/9mm let me know and we can meet at Rio Salado or the desert near the bush hwy and the bee line (my preference).
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 09:51 PM (gtatv)
Da comrade, I see you are beginning to understand!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at April 18, 2021 09:51 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at April 18, 2021 09:51 PM (2SdPm)
Federal, CCI, Speer, etc. have excellent quality control and no problems noted.
Winchester White Box is generally ok range ammo but dirty. Recently, Winchester took over the Lake City Ammo plant from Federal and some people report some QC issues of late. Winchester also opened a new .22 LR plant in Mississippi that is supposedly, haven't checked, to take the place of their Illinois plant for .22 LR.
Remington had severe issues as the company was going under, like Cash on Delivery for components, etc. Federal has now taken over the plant and reopened it.
Foreign ammo, Prvi Partisan is good, S&B okay, Norma and Lapua, premium stuff there including brass and bullets. GECO is another Euro brand quite good, Eley is premium .22 LR match stuff from Great Britain, and Ruag (Swiss) is also good.
Barnaul, Red Star Army, Wolf (the Wolf Gold is better and sourced differently also SK makes some of their .22), Golden Bear, Silver Bear, etc. are all steel cased and usually, not always, bi metal (aka steel) in the jackets of the bullets. Can introduce a worry about barrel wear for some. Not reloadable generally with Berdan primers and fired ammo can often smell like cat pee depending on the powder used.
.264 Winchester--try Midway USA and put the notifier function to send you a message when back in stock.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:52 PM (pO7gM)
How could someone who had his shotgun confiscated be OK with his 4473? No specific question on such issues?
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 09:53 PM (OTzUX)
Heh Jewells...Plan on it.
I also have a dental appt to get my permanent crown in the morning, since the back surgery kinda took precedence.Posted by: SMH at April 18, 2021 09:53 PM (FsVxE)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 09:53 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:50 PM (kTF2Z)
Do you trust the family who called the authorities? I understand the slippery slope argument but everything can be a slippery slope.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:54 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: cfo mom at April 18, 2021 09:54 PM (Q8bDL)
Hi Weasel!
Took two youngest kids to the farm to shoot the handguns. First time for both with handguns.
Youngest daughter has tiny hands and weighs 98#. She shot the 9mm great.
Son did OK, but he has exceptional fine-motor skills. He thinks he should only be knocking out bullseyes.
I sure wish they had a better instructor! (I am a terrible shot.)
Both had great fun.
Youngest daughter gave me the "teenager look" while going over the safety rules. After she saw the damage that the 9mm did to the target backing board, her respect for the gun went way up. She was VERY diligent on her safety rules after that.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 18, 2021 09:55 PM (tkyK5)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:55 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: davidt at April 18, 2021 09:55 PM (ez/ed)
Posted by: jewells45 is having a sale! at April 18, 2021 09:56 PM (nxdel)
Fantastic information, thank you.
Posted by: Splunge at April 18, 2021 09:56 PM (RzGcW)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:55 PM (MVjcR
Glad to hear that. Thanks for the update, sir.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 18, 2021 09:56 PM (Q87rR)
Posted by:AlaBAMAat April 18, 2021 09:54 PM (Q87rR)
Its day 14 of #TwoWeeks.At least there isn't bagpipe music this time I guess.
Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 09:56 PM (Ojki1)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
Love those little red stars y'all have on your berets. Very helpful for target acquisition.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 09:56 PM (dNykz)
Boutique firms, Black Hills (excellent but limited in cartridges), Nosler (excellent bullets and brass), Weatherby (Norma used to load for them dunno about now) but top notch stuff. Buffalo Bore is useful if you like Hardcast for a number of old timey rifles and pretty good in self defense category as well.
Fiocchi, some of their stuff is good, some is okay. Fiocchi has a plant in MO that produces some of their ammo here.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 09:57 PM (pO7gM)
That seems, I dunno, like an unbelievable QC problem. Given the liability obsession (quite intense among ammo makers, obviously), and what I would think would be normal QC procedures (which wouldn't be affected by 24/7 production ramp-ups).
Posted by: rhomboid at April 18, 2021 09:57 PM (OTzUX)
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Wait. No thing which tells time in the stock?
Posted by: Ralphie at April 18, 2021 09:57 PM (fLVm1)
Perhaps, but police aren't going to go out of their way to return weapons to the home in question. If no case, then the gun remains in evidence inventory until the suspect comes down to ask for it back, and I assume most never bother. It's a pocket veto sorta situation. Completely informal.
And, legally speaking, yeah, actually, we do kinda need new laws, if we're gonna setup any sort of red flag system. There needs to be clearly defined circumstances for prohibiting non-violent, non-felons from buying guns, time limits, official appeal processes, etc. Otherwise, any such prohibition would never survive a court challenge. There's no way to make any of this work without new bureaucracy.
Posted by: Walter Freeman at April 18, 2021 09:57 PM (+WWsf)
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I'm sure that's exactly it. They can still fuck with users for gun control.
Posted by: dartist at April 18, 2021 09:58 PM (+ya+t)
Do you trust the family who called the authorities? I understand the slippery slope argument but everything can be a slippery slope. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at April 18, 2021 09:54 PM (2DOZq)Slippery slope? Thayer pass red flag laws and it will be a slippery cliff.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 09:58 PM (kTF2Z)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 09:58 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:02 PM (MVjcR)
I doubt it's coincidence but I'm very grateful that states are putting forth legislation to push back against the Washington Commies.
Alabama is passing a lifetime CCL and also has a bill going for signature that makes it a crime for any Alabama lawman to enforce any Washington dictate that violates gun rights.
It's a start.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at April 18, 2021 10:02 PM (Q87rR)
I don't remember any promises of 2 weeks though, Pixy has kept saying "don't know when our server will be up" until today's report.
Catastrophic failures take a little while to fix unless you're paying for 24 hour uptime (cha-ching).
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 10:02 PM (gtatv)
Hornady is probably one of the ammo makers most similar to Federal and the key is to know what bullets are being used as Hornady has blaster grade bullets but also can have some excellent bullets with innovative technology at the high end. Hornady is also quite adept at working with rifle manufacturers to come out with new cartridges.
If you want to fire at serious long range for targeting etc., Weasel should be able to help.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 10:03 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:05 PM (MVjcR)
Sending prayers your way for some healing.
Good luck on the drive. I agree with Jewells about stopping frequently to move/walk/stretch.
My physical therapist's favorite phrase for any hurt body part is, "Motion is Lotion!"
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 18, 2021 10:05 PM (tkyK5)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Shecky's orange is Green at April 18, 2021 10:05 PM (dNykz)
Posted by:AZ deplorable moronat April 18, 2021 09:51 PM (gtatv)
That second one sounds really promising. Distant enough that it would be a weekend venture, but definitely plausible.
I do have some pistol ammo coming this week. Mrs. Splunge and I would be very much up for this, schedule permitting (hers, I mean; mine is pretty flexible).
Posted by: Splunge at April 18, 2021 10:06 PM (RzGcW)
Posted by:Weasel
Completely agree. I was glad to get the stripped down, barely workable, replacement!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 10:06 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: ck at April 18, 2021 10:07 PM (iBg56)
Completely agree. I was glad to get the stripped down, barely workable, replacement!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 10:06 PM (gtatv)
There's probably even a lesson in there, too!
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:07 PM (MVjcR)
That's just great! Now what are we supposed to do?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 10:08 PM (kTF2Z)
I had a pond report today from one of my buddies. An osprey was diving on fish and a Bald Eagle was also keeping an eye on his place.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 18, 2021 10:09 PM (tkyK5)
Posted by: jaggedskye at April 18, 2021 10:09 PM (d/NDV)
Catastrophic failures take a little while to fix unless you're paying for 24 hour uptime (cha-ching).
Posted by:AZ deplorable moronat April 18, 2021 10:02 PM (gtatv)
Pixy has been getting updates from the server farm, and at one point it was the end of the week (week one) then Friday (the 16th) was mentioned. At soe point one does wonder if the delay isn't just so the Server Farm can make sure all the Equip is LEO snooping approved.Posted by: Bete at April 18, 2021 10:09 PM (Ojki1)
I do know that during the last two ammo crunches, I got pistol rounds that were mangled, rifle rounds that would not feed, one round had the bullet inserted backwards from Winchester and Remington, and Fiocchi 7.62x39 had case necks that were too short to reload although my SKS did not miss a beat in firing them. Had some issues with .38 SPC and .357 with Atlanta Arms on reloads along with
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 10:09 PM (pO7gM)
t second one sounds really promising. Distant enough that it would be a weekend venture, but definitely plausible.
I do have some pistol ammo coming this week. Mrs. Splunge and I would be very much up for this, schedule permitting (hers, I mean; mine is pretty flexible).
Posted by:Splunge
---Not really far. It's just out of the area on the Bee Line (hwy to Payson). The Bush hwy is one one that goes by Saguaro Lake.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 10:10 PM (gtatv)
10:08 - is it happening again? Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:09 PM (MVjcR)No no no nooooooooooo
Posted by: Duke Lowell at April 18, 2021 10:10 PM (kTF2Z)
A long time ago Weasel recommended to me a barrel cleaner called "Wipe-Out Patch-Out." I have used it for the last year or two and it is fantastic. I don't bother with Hoppe's any more. This stuff is amazing!
Thank you Weasel!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 18, 2021 10:11 PM (Q9lwr)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:12 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by:Bete
Oh, I never believed any of those estimates, so I discounted them as soon as I read them... Hardware replacement after a fire and configuration of software takes a while to get right.
BTDT.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 18, 2021 10:14 PM (gtatv)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:14 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:15 PM (MVjcR)
Thanks Weasel as always.
Finally got my AR style extractors from PTG for the PTG bolt on my Remington project. Now to the barrel and then stock. Thinking that I will install a Remage type barrel nut barrel so that I can switch barrels among the same general type of cartridge. Will give up some accuracy in exchange for more surety in having ammo (or components) to feed it.
Starting with a .280 Remington I believe because I have a long action, then maybe a .284 Winchester barrel in a year or two.
Already reload for 7x57, 6.5x55, so then the next barrel in the lot after the .284 might be a 6.5 x 284.
Posted by: whig at April 18, 2021 10:16 PM (pO7gM)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:16 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 18, 2021 10:17 PM (7bRMQ)
Posted by: Weasel at April 18, 2021 10:21 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: OrangeEnt at April 18, 2021 10:23 PM (7bRMQ)
Ah well.
Not much to add except that I did buy on auction a Rock Island 1911 in .38 Super. Sigh. Another mouth to feed....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 18, 2021 10:33 PM (uxJPn)
Gateway pundit
Posted by: Corner Stone at April 18, 2021 11:18 PM (f+DSe)
Posted by: Coelacanth at April 18, 2021 11:30 PM (OCzl8)
Posted by:Sebastian Melmothat April 18, 2021 08:35 PM (2DOZq)
You should have bought the place, instead!
Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2021 11:38 PM (QTm+F)
Posted by:dartistat April 18, 2021 09:18 PM (+ya+t)
I'd do it for free. Of course, I'd want to keep it afterward.....
Posted by: GWB at April 18, 2021 11:53 PM (QTm+F)
Posted by:Splungeat April 18, 2021 09:42 PM (RzGcW)
I've stated before that Georgia Arms has impressed me with a small steady stream of what appears to be good ammo. You're not buying in bulk form them, probably, but you're getting 100 rounds at a time. ANd their prices seemed competitive.Otherwise, I scour different sites: Classic Firearms Wholesale Hunter Ammoland Ammo Man Midway USA Georgia Arms Palmetto State Armory Target Sports USA Bulk Ammo Ammunition Depot
Posted by: GWB at April 19, 2021 12:03 AM (QTm+F)
Posted by:Walter Freemanat April 18, 2021 09:57 PM (+WWsf)
Only if you burn down the old one, first.
Posted by: GWB at April 19, 2021 12:11 AM (QTm+F)
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