1 Spend spend spend

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

3 Why this isn't anything like what they promised to do during their campaigns.

4 I'm shocked!

5 Am I up to a thousand cuts yet?

6 So compromise of the House asking for a $39M cut and the Senate asking for $4M, the middle ground is obvisouly...$8M. Oh, ok then.

7 The outlook for the GOP is GrimmÂ…

8 Like even one of the twats in congress read the damn bill. Absolute worthless assholes.

9 RIP Gay Ray

10 And the pigs line up at the trough.

11 It's a good thing that the GOP primary is open. Now that I've abonded my R credentials, at least I can still try to get rid of Cornyn.

12 Related: A contentious bill to screen welfare recipients for drug abuse and limit residents to buy only “nutritional” foods with food stamps is moving forward. State representatives voted 71-22 in favor of the bill Tuesday. The bill would require residents who receive money from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families to take a questionnaire screening for substance abuse and possibly face drug testing. The bill also would restrict what can be bought through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, formerly known as food stamps. Recipients only would be able to purchase foods deemed “nutritional” by the state, which state Rep. Jud McMillin of Brookville says likely would prohibit using benefits to buy candy and soda.

13 The Age of Stupid abides.

14 $39 billion vs $4 billion. Am I just wrong, or wouldn't the "halfway point" be $21.5 bn? Of course, no one really has the guts to cut SNAP. They don't even have the guts to cut corn subsidies (or other crop subsidies for that matter)- and that would have huge support everywhere outside of Iowa.

15 Maybe there's some good to come out this business as usual mess the GOP has once again agreed to. Anyone want to bet on that? Don't give The Stupid Party any credit. The DOPe plays chess in negative dimensions.

16 Three more years. What will be left to plunder?

17 conservatives aren't happy There's just no pleasing some people.

18 The economy is kicking so much as that we have to increase the SNAP budget. YAY!

19 Being afraid of the House getting killed in Onference? Like owngoaling on purpose? Yeah that's just silly. Look GOP not a joke, not a threat....try me on immigration.

20 These draconian cuts will lead to starving children.

21 Why this isn't anything like what they promised to do during their campaigns. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 29, 2014 12:36 PM (7FFZz) Why doesn't the hamburger I get at Wendy's look like the one in the commercial? They have your money, sucka. F.U. Apply above sentiment to politician after being elected except with vote substituting for money.

22 I can assure you all - and I think Chi-Town Jerry would agree with me - that passing this farm bill was the best thing we could do.  If we didn't, it would alienate moderates and fiscal conservatives, costing us at election time.

23 Posted by: Natasha and Boris at January 29, 2014 12:38 PM (Bps3R) Somebody had one of those slapped down by SCOTUS recently, didn't they?

24 as = ass damn autocorrect

25 Our elected leaders are Kronies & Bronies.

26 But we should keep voting GOP no matter what right?  Because the dems are worse?  right? 

I mean, if we let the Dems win, we'll get more spending and bigger gov't and that's bad, right?  So, we'll vote for the GOP who will give us bigger gov't and more spending? 

Am I missing something?

Now comes the chorus - the GOP can't do anything with just the house.  Of course, when they held the house, Senate and WH - they increased spending and gov't.  So, the next claim will be "we can't do anything without an enormous majority".

then the claim will be "you're just a 'truecon" who doesn't understand the long game".  Well - the part of the "long game" is true.  I don't understand what possible conservative objective the GOP can claim to have based on its actions.

27 Wait, what's this in my mouth?

28 "Recipients only would be able to purchase foods deemed “nutritional” by the state..." In a few years we'll all just line up for our daily cup of soup, infused with calming drugs and vitamins. And equality will finally be achieved!

29 25 Our elected leaders are Kronies & Bronies.
Posted by: Votermom at January 29, 2014 12:40 PM (GSIDW)
And Stonies.

30 Oh. Goody goody gumdrops. Just thinking about agriculture policy will keep me warm, what with all the hate. “It was something Republicans, not just conservatives, could have hung their hat on. We could have accepted a lot of crap if we preserved that separation,” Mulvaney said after the meeting. “If the new normal is going to be that we pass really good House bills but get killed in conference, I think it does raise legitimate questions about whether or not we should go to conference” on immigration. You fucking think? Anyone who is all wide eyed innocent what what why don't you trust the Republicans, welp, here you go. Also this isn't even bullshit cut to the rate of increase as cut, it's cut as in we are going to claim that fewer people will qualify thus cut!

31 26 Monkeytoe, I'm pretty sure they're the "true cons"

32 Any word on how many jobs were saved or created by this bill? I don't know who I am more angry at anymore, politicians or the jackasses that consistently vote for them.

33 Anyone else feel like we're on a sled headed over an icy cliff?

34 I am reaching the point where I hate the republicans almost as much as I hate the democrats.

35 If converted to cash, the federal programs to combat pverty could raise everyone below the poverty above it...FIVE TIMES OVER. Suicidally inefficient. It takes effort to combine the two.

36 Bi-paristan? Is than near Peruvia?

37 Why doesn't the hamburger I get at Wendy's look like the one in the commercial?

They have your money, sucka. F.U.


Apply above sentiment to politician after being elected except with vote substituting for money.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 29, 2014 12:40 PM (0cMkb)

I get a lot more satisfaction from Wendys than I do from the GOP.

38 Something something not the hill to die on something.
 
$8 billion in maybe cuts over 10 years in a program that spends $80 billion a year. Austerity, thy name is Fuck You.
 
Well, there's always the debt ceiling debate, coming soon. Here's how that will go:
 
TFG -- Raise the limit. No conditions.
Boner -- The House members won't go along with that. Give us a bone.
McConnell -- We won't shut the gubmint down. He wins.
TFG -- Okay, one condition. Boner has to wear this pink tutu as well.
Boner -- Oh fuck. I've seen this Robot Chicken episode already.
McConnell -- I surrender again, in case you didn't hear me the first time.
TFG -- Boner will now have to ride this unicycle before I sign.
Boner -- Someone fetch my scotch; I'll be out on the balcony having a cig and measuring my feet for the clown shoes.
McConnell -- At least he didn't make me wear a Hillary 2016 shirt. Hahahaha.

39 Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 29, 2014 12:43 PM (VtjlW) But calling it "absurd" to believe that legalization of illegal aliens would inevitably lead to citizenship is somehow out of bounds.

40 34 Anyone else feel like we're on a sled headed over an icy cliff? Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 29, 2014 12:44 PM (wtvvX) Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

41 34 Anyone else feel like we're on a sled headed over an icy cliff?Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 29, 2014 12:44 PM (wtvvX)
Maybe a truck stuck in Atlanta.

42

They said if I voted democrat, spending would go up.

They said if I voted republican, spending would go up.

They are      always right.

43 Now witness the awesome power of this fully operational FSA.

44 At least the stock market is up today.

45
We need a new party.


They've rigged the game in their favor and against the country.  You can almost see how it happens; They start off working for the country and then one of the old hands tells them how they can make out personally in the game while still doing good for the country.  After a while, they start saying to themselves that if it's good for them, it's good for the country.  Eventually it's automatic - if it's good for them - who knows - it might be good for the country, and so what if it isn't, it's still good for them.

46 I've gotten so cynical about this sort of thing that I'm surprised that anybody is surprised.

47 I get a lot more satisfaction from Wendys than I do from the GOP. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 29, 2014 12:44 PM (7FFZz) True. On the upside, the GOP will also put something warm in your mouth. So, we got that working for us.

48 Hey, here's some money to not grow something.

49

'"it does raise legitimate questions about whether or not we should go to conference” on immigration'

(facepalm X 1,000)

 

The fiscal situation is catastrophic.  The constitutional situation has arguably only been more grave during the Civil War.  Powerful elements of the federal govt. have been weaponized against the citizenry on political lines.  The international situation is - almost all avoidably - drifting towards great peril for our interests.

 

And the "opposition" party is even thinking of doing anything WRT "immigration"?  A topic that polls below 10% on national surveys of priority issues.

 

Politically, substantively, morally, philosophically ridiculous and indefensible.  Anyone want to enlighten me here? 

 

 

50 I just can't get enough to eat!

51 Why bother going through the farce of having elections every year? Why bother pretending that there is a difference in the 2 parties? I am sick and tired of what is going on, and I feel so powerless.

52 "Anyone else feel like we're on a sled headed over an icy cliff?" No, Europe tells our future. A slow decline into hell. They've got this down to a science. People can adapt to anything given a little time. Vicktor Frankl wrote the definitive book about that human ability.

53 Posted by: non-purist at January 29, 2014 12:47 PM (afQnV) We'll make it up on volume!

54 Remember when a $1,000,000,000,000.00 bill seemed like fantasy.

55
Congressional repubs are in competition with dems to see who can be the most incompetent.

56 Let's Moooove!

57

22 -

 

I know somebody else who will be along shortly to remind us that  the R party doesn't  have 60 Senators or the White House, so it's not like  they could do anything anyway. 

58 I love the coverage of the 'farm bill' featuring combines harvesting grain and bucolic rural scenes. Everything about our government now is a fraud, and the press aid and abets all along the way.

59 55 Remember when a $1,000,000,000,000.00 bill seemed like fantasy. Posted by: RWC at January 29, 2014 12:48 PM (fWAjv) If you use common core math, it's really only like ten bucks.

60 I often ask What Are The Republicans Gonna Run On In '14 and '16? Cutting Food Stamps, politically, is not a 'winner,' even if the 'cut' is negligible. These Republicans really are stupid.

61 It's not the baby-mama driving around in her escalade on the way to the wig/weave store with her SNAP or EBT card to blame....it's the WalMarks and PigglyWigglys of the world WHO accept the SNAP and EBT and reap large profits from these programs. Fascist economics at it's best....private companies and interests profiting from the Gubmint programs and us the taxpayers left holding the bag. Mussolini would be proud.

62 Chick-fil-A feeds stranded drivers Posted: Jan 29, 2014 11:28 AM CST Updated: Jan 29, 2014 11:41 AM CST Birmingham, Ala. Chick-Fil-A owner Mark Meadows (Courtesy Lauren Dango) Birmingham, Ala. Chick-Fil-A owner Mark Meadows (Courtesy Lauren Dango) Military Humvees to stranded school buses in Georgia By FOX NEWS - A number of motorists who had to abandon their vehicles in the snow on Highway 280 outside of Birmingham, Ala. were able to find shelter in the storm thanks to the kindness and generosity of Chick-fil-A restaurant employees and the restaurant's owner, Mark Meadows. “We cooked several hundred sandwiches and stood out on both sides of 280 and handed out the sandwiches to anyone we could get to – as long as we had food to give out.” The staffers braved the falling snow and ice and Chick-fil-A refused to take a single penny for their sandwiches. Man I wish we had them up here.

63 Everything about our government now is a fraud, and the press aid and abets all along the way. We need a Conservative news station (to be to Fox what MSNBC is to CNN) that would cover crop subsidies with video of crops being burned/destroyed and fields left fallow.

64 A while back I had posted about my surprise that my freshman GOP rep has been solid as hell and has not been bullied by the GOPe. Now this morning I read that he called TFG a 'socialistic dictator'. Now I like him even more!

65 The Republican grassroots are not the problem. The R leadership and it's minions are the problem. I prefer the enemy that looks me in the eye and says just what it's going to do to me. That would be the Socialists in control of the executive branch and the Senate. If you wonder how fiscally and socially sane things would be if R's controlled the White House and Congress, you don't have to look back very far. It's not pretty. In politics, actions speak not words.

66 Vicktor Frankl wrote the definitive book about that human ability. --- The two things I remember from Frankl: - people who held on to hope survived - when all choices are taken away from you, even up to death, you will still have the power to say no. #freewill

67 62 Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 29, 2014 12:51 PM (4/cQ Creating the conditions so you don't need food stamps. In other words, conservatism. But the GOP is anti-conservative, so forget that.

68  Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 29, 2014 12:43 PM (VtjlW)

But calling it "absurd" to believe that legalization of illegal aliens would inevitably lead to citizenship is somehow out of bounds.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 12:45 PM (PYAXX

 

If that is your position now then you are really slow on the uptake because the facts had not changed when you were partially onboard with the legalization / no citizenship proposal.      What else will you support and then call other people absurd down the road for supporting the same thing?

69 “We cooked several hundred sandwiches and stood out on both sides of 280 and handed out the sandwiches to anyone we could get to – as long as we had food to give out.”

The staffers braved the falling snow and ice and Chick-fil-A refused to take a single penny for their sandwiches.


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h8trzzzz

70 Posted by: Meremortal at January 29, 2014 12:53 PM (1Y+hH) I'm re-reading the Harry Dresden books ('cause I like em), and in one of them, Harry says something like, "I could respect monsters like [badguy]. It was refreshing to have someone wanting to kill me openly for a change, instead of hiding in the shadows waiting to strike at me..."

71 Let's pause and assess the R party for a moment. To the average Dumb Person who votes, the Republicans are the party that: -- cuts Food Stamps -- cuts off Unemployment insurance -- wants to take away Free healthcare -- is opposed to raising Min Wage -- wants more tax breaks for the rich and corporations

72

44: "Now witness the awesome power of this fully operational FSA."

 

As true as it is funny.

 

They have the votes. Unless we undergo a great calamity , such as a natural disaster, disease, or war, where reality and consequences can not be avoided, there is no changing course.

 

This train will not stop. It will not be steered onto a different path. It can only be derailed.

73 Film trivia... "I'm absolutely enthralled by combine harvesters." What movie is this from?

74 >>No, Europe tells our future. A slow decline into hell. They've got this down to a science. People can adapt to anything given a little time. Vicktor Frankl wrote the definitive book about that human ability. If you want to boil a frog you don't throw him into boiling water. You put him in the pot and turn the heat up slowly.

75 Never fear, I'll calm all your worries, soothe all your pain, cure all your ills.  I'm sooooooo ready!

76 By FOX NEWS - A number of motorists who had to abandon their vehicles in the snow on Highway 280 outside of Birmingham, Ala. were able to find shelter in the storm thanks to the kindness and generosity of Chick-fil-A restaurant employees and the restaurant's owner, Mark Meadows. “We cooked several hundred sandwiches and stood out on both sides of 280 and handed out the sandwiches to anyone we could get to – as long as we had food to give out.” The staffers braved the falling snow and ice and Chick-fil-A refused to take a single penny for their sandwiches. ===== Those friggin' Socons!

77 Posted by: votermom at January 29, 2014 12:53 PM (GSIDW) Yes. Another book with great lessons is "The Worst Hard Times" a shocking book about the Dust Bowl. Harrowing stories, very difficult to read.

78 I am reaching the point where I hate the republicans almost as much as I hate the democrats.

Posted by: Harry at January 29, 2014 12:44 PM (ao2LR)

I hate the Republicans more--with the exception of the few Conservatives left.  The Republicans have lost me by doing the following:

* Abandoning the rule of law and the Constitution because fighting is hard or something

* Allowing Dim dirty tricks to always succeed--don't the bastards ever want to win one

* Telling me they know what is best for me with regards to Taxes and Immigation--they have proved conclusively that they don't know best.

79 JJ, the Republicans would be Alpha if they became The Paycheck Party.

80 “We cooked several hundred sandwiches and stood out on both sides of 280 and handed out the sandwiches to anyone we could get to – as long as we had food to give out.”

The staffers braved the falling snow and ice and Chick-fil-A refused to take a single penny for their sandwiches.

======================

OMG, they forced total strangers to consume Hate Chicken?  Oh, the humanity!

81 The staffers braved the falling snow and ice and Chick-fil-A refused to take a single penny for their sandwiches. H8 meals to the rescue!

82 67 Posted by: Meremortal at January 29, 2014 12:53 PM (1Y+hH) If the conservative base were in control of the GOP, SCOAMF nor Hilary would ever have been elected. Ronald Reagan's biggest mistake was selecting George HW Bush as his VP, in the hopes of unifying the party. Instead, he should have chosen Paul Laxalt and purged the party of the Country Club Quisling class.

83 I didn't think it was possible to live without a spine.

84 Step on the gas, Louise!

85 What else will you support and then call other people absurd down the road for supporting the same thing? Probably lots of things as I grow older and learn more. I hold a lot of positions in contempt which I once held. When I was a late teenager and in my early 20s, I was all hot on "Compassionate Conservatism" too. Am I supposed to pretend that's not absurd? I believed in purely protectionist trade policy once. Am I supposed to pretend that's not absurd? It is absurd to believe legalization will lead to anything other than citizenship for current illegal aliens. You keep acting like it's somehow beyond the pale to say that, yet your only point seems to be I once thought otherwise. Were I to have once believed in Flat Earth, and then changed my view, should I not call Flat Earth believers "absurd?"

86 We like to think that the FSA is comprised exclusively of leftists, but that's not the case.

Slash ag subsidies and watch how many "conservative" Republican voters in the ag industry come out of the woodwork with torches and pitchforks.

Ditto with Social Security or Medicare.

Yes, it sucks.  No, it's not going to change anytime soon.  The Left knew what it was doing when they got the public addicted to federal spending programs.

87 Anyone else getting tired of being stabbed in the back?

88 A while back I had posted about my surprise that my freshman GOP rep has been solid as hell and has not been bullied by the GOPe. Now this morning I read that he called TFG a 'socialistic dictator'. Now I like him even more!

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 29, 2014 12:53 PM (LSJmV)

I like my Frosh Tea Party Republican as well--Bridenstine--his first vote was against confirming Boner as Speaker.

89 Anyone else getting tired of being stabbed in the back? "Getting?"

90 What, no shake?

91 Anyone else getting tired of being stabbed in the back?

Posted by: Boomslang Joe at January 29, 2014 01:00 PM (nsg2T)

==============

Life becomes much easier once you learn to expect it.

92

@ 67 - "The Republican grassroots are not the problem.

The R leadership and it's minions are the problem."

 

Only partially true.  The Republican grassroots ARE part of the problem since they consistently refuse to make substantive efforts to hold the party leadership accountable.  All they do is show up at county and state level GOP meetings, get out-manuevered by the politicos, and then go home and grumble.  Repeat every two years.

 

If they wanted to be part of the solution, they would give the GOP the ol' heave-ho en masse and go third party.  Make the GOP into the third party and attract a lot of disaffected moderate Ds and Indies who have dropped out of the game altogether.

93 If the conservative base were in control of the GOP, SCOAMF nor Hilary would ever have been elected.

Is the weather nice in that alternate universe you're commenting from?

94 Were I to have once believed in Flat Earth, and then changed my view, should I not call Flat Earth believers "absurd?" I once used to cut across the neighbors' lawn on my bike. Now that I have a lawn & take care of it, get off my lawn!

95 Anyone else getting tired of being stabbed in the back?

Posted by: Boomslang Joe at January 29, 2014 01:00 PM (nsg2T)

A little higher, to the right, and in between the shoulder blades, Thanks!

96 What movie is this from? 70s version of the Jackal. I think the quote is slightly off though.

97

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 12:59 PM (PYAXX)

 

You held the opposite position less than a month ago but now feel you can scold others  by telling them  that  same  position is  absurd  is my only issue.

 

Actually its not my issue.  Whatever you can live with.     

98 They stopped stabbing us in the back a long time ago. It would be almost refreshing if they waited for us to turn around, anymore.

99 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 12:55 PM (PYAXX) Word.

100

The goal of democrats is to have the republicans sign off on a bill that cuts expenditures   by a nominal amount, meaning virtually     no actual cut.  That way, their dependent voters don't see a reduction in their free stuff, but the democrats can run on 'The GOP cuts your   program'.

 

And, the GOP falls for it every time.  If they had any brains, they would realize that their base doesn't want to see just any cuts, but only meaningful cuts.  If you are actually willing to cut a program, you      need to make it count.

101 Another book with great lessons is "The Worst Hard Times" a shocking book about the Dust Bowl. Harrowing stories, very difficult to read. Posted by: Meremortal at January 29, 2014 12:57 PM (1Y+hH) -- I'll put that on my summer read list. I'm afraid if I read it in winter I might get depressed. It's hard to keep positive as it is.

102 I would like to take this opportunity to preemptively apologize to the next person from the Republican party that calls me for a donation. My Mom may she rest in peace always taught me to be polite to others. Well I think she would understand in this case. So to whomever it is that calls me looking for money again. I apologize for the verbal can of whoop-ass I will be opening on you.

103 Anyone want to bet on that?-Drew Might have been born at night, but not last night. Pass on the bet Mr. Drew.

104 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 01:05 PM (ZkzmI)

But swearsies, the cuts will happen in the out years (after at least four House elections).

105 Let it burn.

106 Isn't that the constant bellowing whenever term limits are discussed? "We'll lose our committee chairmanships!" Well, with representation like this, I don't see a downside.

107 You heldthe opposite position less than a month ago but now feel you can scold others by telling them that same position is absurd is my only issue. A bit more than a month there, skippy. But sure. Indeed, even *when* I showed "tepid" (your word) support for legalization, it was usually laced with lots of caveats that "but the guarantees I want are never going to happen- so no." And it's not "scolding" it's "arguing." You're free to argue back. But it seems you'd rather focus on the fact I previously offered "tepid" (your word) support for the concept, but none of the specific plans.

108 So wait. Are we supposed to be angry with Michael Grimm? My only problem with how he handled the little pick journalist was that he didn't throw him off the balcony.

109 Correct. Day of the Jackal 1973. Colette de Montpelier: "I'm enthralled by combine harvesters. In fact, I yearn to have one as a pet."

110 oh I forgot one: The Republican party is also known for: -- cutting benefits for Veterans

111 By FOX NEWS - A number of motorists who had to abandon their vehicles in the snow on Highway 280 outside of Birmingham, Ala. were able to find shelter in the storm thanks to the kindness and generosity of Chick-fil-A restaurant employees and the restaurant's owner, Mark Meadows.

“We cooked several hundred sandwiches and stood out on both sides of 280 and handed out the sandwiches to anyone we could get to – as long as we had food to give out.”

The staffers braved the falling snow and ice and Chick-fil-A refused to take a single penny for their sandwiches.

Man I wish we had them up here.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 12:52 PM (C3Wjb)

How many people did GLAAD feed or for that matter ever help unless they are some Commiewood douche?

112

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 01:07 PM (PYAXX

 

Whatever Corkey. 

113 it pains me to take points away from Drew, but he failed to use "unexpectedly" in his post, which means he gets dinged on the all important "ironic content" requirement.

RINOs acting like RINOs isn't news.

114 And, the GOP falls for it every time. If they had any brains, they would realize that their base doesn't want to see just any cuts, but only meaningful cuts. They're acting from a position of weakness that's self-imposed. They are venal creatures. They cling to their positions because their positions are comfortable. They are not fighters, they are gamblers and thieves. They have no virtue. They make non-substantive cuts because that's the most they're willing to stretch in order to keep up appearances of being on our side.

115

Isn't that the constant bellowing whenever term limits are discussed? "We'll lose our committee chairmanships!" Well, with representation like this, I don't see a downside.

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That, plus things like charimanships are merely based on house and senate    rules.  If the filibuster can be ignored   or changed at will, so can seniority rules.

116 111 So wait. Are we supposed to be angry with Michael Grimm? My only problem with how he handled the little pick journalist was that he didn't throw him off the balcony. Posted by: mugiwara at January 29, 2014 01:07 PM (3d63f) Yeah I'm not feeling the rage either. He should've made that little bitch eat that microphone.

117

What i want to see if we retake the Senate is spending bills broken into hundreds to small bills. If we can't do a line item veto, let's pass line item bills. One bill, one spending authorization.

No burying the bad spending in a bill along with legitimate spending.

118 But is there a human being on the planet Earth that wouldnÂ’t want Barack Obama as a son? I mean look at what this young man has achieved, and what heÂ’s done on his own, and how heÂ’s become this great leader. -Jerry Springer I'll just slowly back away from the keyboard now.

119

think we, as conservatives, need to sit out the next election.

 

The GOP believes two things:

 

1)         conservatives will always vote for them regardless of what they do; and

 

2)         even if #1 isnÂ’t correct, they can win without conservatives.

 

Both of those notions must be disabused before the GOP will move right.

 

And, if the GOP doesn’t move right – then the GOP must be terminated.

 

I urge everyone who considers themselves a conservative to sit out the next election.

 

Yes, I know, we “have a good chance to win the Senate”. So what? What, exactly, do you believe that will get us?

 

I’m not offering “sit an election out” lightly. I’m offering it because it is the only way we will move the GOP right quickly enough to do any good (and I’m not talking about moving them to be as conservative as I am, I’m talking reasonably conservative here – which they currently are not).

 

Energy spent being loyal team players and electing who our betters tell us to has accomplished exactly what conservative goal?

 

When the GOP held the WH, Senate and House – did they reduce spending? No, they increased it. Did they reduce the size or scope of gov’t? No, they increased it. Did they get rid of any stupid federal agencies, programs, or statutes? No, they added to them.

 

And, since then, what has the GOP actually done? Capitulate. Say they will capitulate (McConnell and Boehner both stated he did not intend to repeal Obamacare – only “fix” it). Say they will do really, really stupid things (amnesty). And “compromise” away any potential for cutting spending or fixing entitlements (see Paul Ryan’s newest crowning achievement).

 

The GOP wants to be a Center-left party, just to the right of the DNC. Anyone who doesn’t believe this is naive at best. Actions count – not words. In elections, they tell us they are conservative. But they never act that way in office.

 

I challenge anyone to explain the conservative “victories” that blind loyalty to the GOP has produced. Pointing to some nominees to a court or to an agency not getting through does not suffice. Because one liberal nominee is stopped, doesn’t mean another liberal nominee – not as vocal – is not confirmed. These are illusory victories, with little meaning. They feel good but accomplish nothing.

 

Yes, if in control, the GOP will be slightly less liberal than the DNC. That is not the same thing, even remotely, as furthering any conservative goals. It is the opposite.

 

I am arguing to change the entire GOP’s thinking. Those who argue we shouldn’t sit out, but instead support a “conservative” challenger in a primary or support a “conservative” candidate in the general election are talking about making insignificant changes – rearranging deck chairs.

 

The GOP establishment (by which I mean incumbents, their staffs, the people working for the GOP, professional campaign people, and big money donors) easily works around the few true conservatives in its midst. Adding a few more here or there won’t change anything. We would have to replace at least 51% of GOP incumbents to change the GOP’s behavior. That is simply not possible. If we change 2 or 3 an election cycle, by the time we get near the 51% mark, the first 1/2 we put worked to elect will have been co-opted by the establishment, making us start all over. Incumbency is powerful, making challenges hard to begin with. Add to that most decent candidates don’t want to piss the party off – so don’t want to challenge, leaving us with a limited pool of potential challengers. Then add the power and organization of the GOP against independent challengers in multiple states, and we can never effect the change we need.

 

We thought challenging incumbents would change other GOP incumbent behavior. It didn’t. We’ve been working on changing the GOP for over 30 years. Where has it gotten us? Here. Exactly here. Everything wrong with the U.S. – the GOP had a hand in. Everything except Obamacare. Remember that.

 

The problem is that the party controls things.

 

As voting for a conservative democrat is counterproductive – because in reality that allegedly conservative democrat merely allows the liberal democrats to run things and push its agenda, voting for a “conservative” GOP candidate (and they all CLAIM to be conservative at election time) is counterproductive because it allows the GOP – which is not at all conservative – run the show.

 

So, we vote for a “conservative” GOP candidate. Someone who promises to be anti-amnesty, for cutting spending, for cutting the size and scope of gov’t, etc.

 

And let’s assume they stick to those guns and vote that way (very rare). But, they help the GOP form a majority. The GOP leadership than pushes a budget that increases spending, increases the size and scope of gov’t, and pushes amnesty and instead of repeal of Obamacare – pushes a “fix” of Obamacare.

 

And all of those things pass with majority republican votes.

 

What has your vote for a “conservative” GOP candidate accomplished?

 

And, even if we had, say, 40% of the incumbent GOP as true conservatives, the remainder would work with democrats to pass stuff – as they already do. For instance, this Ryan compromise will likely pass with more D votes than R votes – (so that R’s can go back and claim to be against it to their constituents and in primaries). That is the kind of party shenanigans I am talking about.

 

The reality is, the primary system doesnÂ’t work. A) incumbency has too much power, b) the ones who win get co-opted 90% of the time by the establishment and c) for the most party, the establishment ignores, works around conservatives. Why do you think Mitch McConell and Jim DeMint hate each so much? Why do you think the GOP establishment people hate Cruz and call him names publicly? Why do you think Mitch McConnell and Boehner are publicly calling for the defeat of conservatives.

 

We have made some progress. . But it is very slow progress and we won’t shift the GOP right for over 50 years at this rate. In that 50 years, we will see the collapse of SS, collapse of various state and local pension systems, exploding debt, exploding Medicare, and Obamacare costs. And the GOP will do nothing about it – instead we will get the same B.S. we have received til now – more spending, more gimmicks, more entitlements and more gov’t.

 

Yes, in 75 years, if we work hard at it and challenge GOP incumbents here and there, etc., we will move the GOP right. But in 75 years itÂ’ll probably be too late to do much good.

 

In the meantime, voting for the people who will pass amnesty, agree to Ryan’s ridiculous “compromise”, increase spending, increase the size and scope of gov’t, and have stated, repeatedly that they have no intention of actually repealing Obamacare (both Boehner and McConell have publicly stated this). Voting for these people will not “reform” the GOP, but empower it to continue behaving in this way.

 

Not voting and letting republicans lose will mean that the party must look at what it does and decide whether it will move right.

 

Think of it as “primarying” the entire party.

 

The reality is we have a 2 party system – that is unlikely to change. And none of the various third parties will win any time soon. So, voting for some third party will not do anything.

 

And, voting the “conservative” line won’t really do anything because 97% of the time, it’s just the GOP candidate.

 

And, in case you haven’t noticed, the party itself is fighting conservatives. The establishment is not conservative – never was (the GOP was not founded as and has never been a conservative party – it is merely a party with some conservatives in it and that is to the right of the DNC – that does not make the party conservative) and the current establishment people are unlikely to ever be ideologically conservative.

 

They donÂ’t want to be conservative because they like govÂ’t and believe in govÂ’t and the big-money donors make lots of money off big govÂ’t. So they fight against conservatives and conservative influence on the party.

 

The only way to get them to toe the conservative line at all puts the fear of losing their jobs and their influence into them. The only way to do that shows them our voting power and that we WILL IN FACT use it by NOT voting for them.

 

They currently believe we (conservatives) will ultimately vote for them no matter what they do. And, the reality is, they have been right about this because we have done just that.

 

To change the dynamic, we have to prove they are not right about this – that conservatives are willing to sit out if they cross us.

 

As someone else said in a comment:

 

It demonstrates that the GOP *must* take the conservative base seriously, and behave more conservatively – even if it means they get walloped in an election – then it could be worth it.

 

Otherwise, going the route we’ve been going down for decades now – just reinforces to the GOP they *can* continue to be ‘liberal lite’, take conservatives for granted, and there is *no* reason for them to behave conservatively because they *can* continue to be squishes, giving the Dems what they want, and there will be *no* penalty for doing so.

 

Anyone who disagrees with this needs to explain how continuing to vote for the GOP – as we’ve done for decades – will suddenly result in something *different*, I’m afraid.

 

The only way to win the fight is to change the party. We will not change the party through constant support of the party despite its actions.

 

Voting for the GOP despite its behavior will not change the GOP. As an example – if a child does something wrong – do you reward the child for that behavior? If you do, you are fool because you are guarantying that behavior will continue. Well, the same is true with the GOP. If you reward the GOP by voting for it – you are incentivizing that same behavior in the future.

 

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Voting for the GOP when the GOP is not remotely conservative and expecting them to act conservative fits well within the definition of insanity.

 

IÂ’m seriously asking you to look at the GOPÂ’s actions over the last 20 years and think rationally.

 

I realize that it goes against the grain to sit out and potentially allow the DNC to win. But, in reality, this is the only way we will change the GOP in our lifetimes. We have been trying to change the GOP through action, primaries, involvement, etc. for 30 years. And it has not happened.

120 Ace is giving us plenty of time to go out and play, today!

121 Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 29, 2014 01:02 PM (YYJjz) I don't know that part of politics, and we've never been in this position before. Perhaps 'normalcy bias' is holding the grassroots back. One wonders how the Founding Fathers and there followers reached the point that led them to risk all.

122

Not to insert myself into some squabble I was part of, but solely on the substance of the issue, if not absurd it is not very realistic to expect that some second-class/special status for semi-legalized illegal aliens would not led to citizenship. 

 

Let's face it - even to those of us with a rational and sensible concept of "fair", it would not be American or fair to have some gastarbeiter class among us.  And while our reasonable consciences would not embrace it, rely on the fact that the judiciary (now essentially an unaccountable super-legislature any time is feels the urge or whim) will easily find it unconstitutional and over-turn it in a nanosecond.

 

Folks - we have had open, explicit, in-writing lawlessness in place for years ("sanctuary cities" and all the other state/municipal-level lawlessness).  Two thirds of the 1986 act were simply ignored, for the most part.  The fence-building legislation (2004?) was almost completely ignored.  The DOJ issues unbelievable orders that have the effect of gutting basic existing law.

 

Any suggestion/proposal other than that existing law be enforced, and that the lawlessness now rampant at the federal and state level be completely erased, is either naive, unserious, or stupid (use "absurd" if you prefer).

 

123

If we can't do a line item veto, let's pass line item bills. One bill, one spending authorization.

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The same people who pass a spending       'cut'   that isn't actually a cut will get right on that if they take the senate...........................

124 So wait. Are we supposed to be angry with Michael Grimm? My only problem with how he handled the little pick journalist was that he didn't throw him off the balcony. The journalist interrupted a camera interview, right? To pose a gotcha question? Grimm should carry a newspaper so he can swat their noses when they do that.

125 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 01:09 PM (ZkzmI The complaint was always specious. "We" wouldn't lose "our" committee chairmanships. If elected Republicans held firm on their campaign promises, then when they were termed-out, a new Republican would be elected. Thus Republicans would keep the committees. The only people who would "lose" would be the entrenched incumbents who would suddenly be forced to find private-sector jobs again (even K street only needs so many lobbyists).

126 "Anyone else getting tired of being stabbed in the back? Posted by: Boomslang Joe at January 29, 2014 01:00 PM (nsg2T) At this point, they're just re-stabbing existing stab wounds.

127 So Monkeytoe, how was the movie?  You can tell me from the Barrel.

128 121 Posted by: RWC at January 29, 2014 01:11 PM (fWAjv) Bitch slap through the usb

129 What I don't get are some of those who continually bitch about the way so many in the GOP vote after they abandon and denigrate a candidate who has said something stupid. The same candidate who would vote the way they would hope for 90%+ of the time. The left doesn't do this, they just simply ignore the stupid action or comment and move forward. The most active and well known in the on-line 'conservative' political world seem to be the worst offenders. Just pisses me off to no end.

130 monkeytoe. Enjoy the barrel.

131 Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:11 PM (sOx93) Your turn in the barrel.

132

Re 122:  Is there a barrell big enough for that?

133 I had to scroll a lot to blow past whatever Monkeytoe posted. Was it worth reading?

134 The Western Rifle Shooters Association re-posted the short story "What I Saw at the Coup" last night, in honor of the STFU address. I'm sure the timing was purely coincidental. http://tinyurl.com/mowpfyl

135
When you are searching for something to give you hope, do not look to politicians or the Republican Party or to the government.  That is not where hope comes from.

It's been said that government is a necessary evil.   Personally, I think  the balance has tipped mightily from "necessary" to "evil". 

When confronted by evil, do not look to the source of that evil to bring about good.  Turn to the One who is good to vanquish the evil.  That is where true hope lies.



Thus endeth grammie's socon lesson for today. 

136

The  Free Shit Army  needs more free shit?   No sweat, we'll just cut a little more from the worthless vets.

137 That may take two barrels, Monkeytoe.

138

124: "One wonders how the Founding Fathers and there followers reached the point that led them to risk all."

 

They were made of sterner stuff than we. To my shame and regret.

139 We're going to need a bigger barrel.

140

If we can't do a line item veto, let's pass line item bills. One bill, one spending authorization.
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The same people who pass a spending 'cut' that isn't actually a cut will get right on that if they take the senate...........................

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You know, my expectations are so low that i think i've blow my load if i heard anyone in office just advocate the idea.

141 Posted by: bonhomme at January 29, 2014 01:08 PM (45N4D)

A free ride where you get to write "laws" that exempt you from their consequences and give you pretty much unfettered access to campaign donor cash is a sweet spot in the life of an ugly stupid person, so you can hardly blame your "representatives" from lining up to screw the taxpayers to insure that they stay in power no matter the consequences to the country.

142 Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:11 PM (sOx93)

You don't just come here for the barrel fishing, do you?

143 I just feel like if they limit the food allowable to purchase on Snap cards then eventually there will be whining about food racism or something and then we will all be limited in the food we buy even if we pay for it with out own money. Either that or if they limit it there will be riots when people can't their hot cheetos and takis.

144 Afternoon, all.   This is totally OT, but how're our southern Morons doing with the utter catastrophe that is    the effect of having    more snow and cold than expected?    I find it amazing that there are people who have been stranded on the road and out of their homes for so long!   I get that things are bad, but my New Englander brain can't comprehend things being THAT bad.  I hope y'all are okay!

145 The same candidate who would vote the way they would hope for 90%+ of the time. The left doesn't do this, they just simply ignore the stupid action or comment and move forward. It's because the Dem who is 90% Dem is 100% on the issues important to Dems- or at least toes the line when the chips are down. For Rs, it always seems that "10%" is always the stuff that is important to Conservatives.

146 Posted by: votermom at January 29, 2014 01:05 PM (GSIDW) Mom, for you and any others, there is a great used boook site, ABEbooks.com. Great prices and every book I've bought has been in acceptable condition, if not virtually unblemished.

147 Tangentially on topic.... There are certain books and movies one should read and see if you're going to be considered to be well read and informed. The Day of the Jackal is both. The book is great and the movie is still an instruction on how a movie should be made. Some of our younger morons may have missed this. It's time well spent to catch up.

148 They were made of sterner stuff than we. To my shame and regret. Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 29, 2014 01:14 PM (LJpVo) Can't argue with that sentiment.

149 A free ride where you get to write "laws" that exempt you from their consequences and give you pretty much unfettered access to campaign donor cash is a sweet spot in the life of an ugly stupid person, so you can hardly blame your "representatives" from lining up to screw the taxpayers to insure that they stay in power no matter the consequences to the country. Not to mention the evil line they get to use with young people, "Sure, I'd love to write you a letter of recommendation. What can I expect from you in exchange?"

150 I'm just gonna leave this here. EXCLUSIVE: Obama's high school pot dealer who he thanked for the 'good times' was beaten to death with a hammer by his gay lover after fights over flatulence and drugs http://tinyurl.com/lazhvdu

151 Lone Star Heeb, We need to split from the GOP & start a Conservative party, maybe the Tea Party would join with Conservative Party. GOP has passed that red line into Stupid Party.

152 The Day of the Jackal is both. The book is great and the movie is still an instruction on how a movie should be made. The scene where the assassin is nose to nose with a cop who is looking for any sign of nervousness / guilty conscience gave me chills.

153 Allen, I didn't do a good job articulating my point. I'm talking about Tea Party type candidates who make a statement that's out of line or not politically correct.

154 112 Correct. Day of the Jackal 1973.
Colette de Montpelier: "I'm enthralled by combine harvesters. In fact, I yearn to have one as a pet."
Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2014 01:07 PM (u2a4R)
How about the combines in "Prime Cut"?

155 Monkeytoe, haven't you learned not to do this yet? WTF?

156 Isn't that the constant bellowing whenever term limits are discussed? "We'll lose our committee chairmanships!" Well, with representation like this, I don't see a downside.
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That, plus things like charimanships are merely based on house and senate rules. If the filibuster can be ignored or changed at will, so can seniority rules.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 01:09 PM (ZkzmI)

I'm not pro or anti term limits.  I just don't think it will solve the problem of the GOP being a left of center party.  The problem is structural - the big-money donors, the aides, advisers, staffers, and campaign pros who make up the "professional" GOP - the people behind the elected officials, are not conservative - they are instead broken down into different categories:

-  big money donors - these tend to be people donating to achieve some personal benefit to themselves or their companies (and don't confuse big-business with conservative, big business is often very much in favor of big-gov't because they can make money off it).

-  people who like to play the game of politics - these are staffers, advisers, etc. who just like the power, influence and fun of the game.  They have no real principals and - as we all know - when you don't have actual principals you will always go left because it is easier to give away "free" stuff.

- big gov't technocrats who are not socialist.  Think Mitt Romney.  People who believe that big gov't isn't a problem, just that it is being "managed" badly.  they think gov't can (and should) solve everyone's problems, just that the right people need to be in charge.

- people who consider themselves republican because their parents were or that is what is convenient based on their location.  They have no right of center beliefs, but consider themselves republican for tribal or convenience reasons (i.e., live in a republican area so easier to be elected as a republican or get a job as an aide to a republican).

The GOP "establishment" has very few (almost no) principled conservatives. Instead it is people from one of the above categories.  Term limits won't solve that problem

157 I wonder if like most "cuts" this is just a reduction of an increase. I've not read anything yet but willing to lay odds on it being the latter. A pox on both their houses. And oh yeah... let it burn.

158 147?

So far the WX in the Golden Isles is vile but bearable. Drizzle and cold, but at least no wind is blowing. When that happens the heat blows right out of my drafty Victorian. I learned to drive on wet red clay roads so if it snows or ices I'm not worried about it....

159 Winston-Salem is slowed to a halt, but nothing like Atlanta. I drove to the grocery store, very few on the road, but no strandings or jams or anything. The pics's I've seen from ATL are gnarly. I've been there, both literally and figuratively. Forced to spend 6 hours driving to Charlotte Airport during a freak snowstorm a few years ago, strandings everywhere, had to stay at a hotel when I finally picked her up. And I've driven through that nest of highways, freeways, overpasses that is downtown Atlanta. Thousands of people stranded on that is a cluster, you can't really pull of or go around or go back. Sucks.

160 158 Monkeytoe, haven't you learned not to do this yet? WTF?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 01:20 PM (ojnk6)

You are free to skip a comment you are not interested in.  And shut your idiot mouth.

161 158 Monkeytoe, haven't you learned not to do this yet? WTF? Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 01:20 PM (ojnk6) I know, right?! Every.damn.time.

162 Of course, no one really has the guts to cut SNAP. They don't even have the guts to cut corn subsidies (or other crop subsidies for that matter)- and that would have huge support everywhere outside of Iowa.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 12:39 PM (PYAXX)

and Nebraska...and Illinois...and Indiana...and northern Missouri...all around the midwest, really. More states than Iowa grow corn.

163 Congratulations on not screwing up the blog this time Monkeytoe.

164 "Devere is now living on the mainland after serving his life sentence"

Ummm....how screwed up are we as a society that that phrase can be put in print with a straight face?

165 We need to go back to old school insults more like "a pox on both their houses" my favorite Shakespeare one is the "do you bite your thumb at me sir?"

166 I learned to drive on wet red clay roads so if it snows or ices I'm not worried about it.... You've got mud in your tire.

167 Posted by: Countrysquire at January 29, 2014 01:19 PM (LSJmV) Oh, well they're completely unelectable. I'm told. And, honestly, that's often true. Aiken should have dropped out of the race after his abortion remarks- they were simply beyond the pale even for most conservatives. COD gets smacked around a lot- and she *was* politically inept in too many ways (thus the reason she lost). But you're right that we need to be much more accepting of the occasional "gaaaaaaaff" than we are.

168 The GOP are afraid of arguing about anything before 2014.  I don't blame them.  Put more tea party people in until the RINO party is RINO in name only.  Primary the fuk out of everyone not bona fide Tea Party.  Then elect the Republican left standing even if its MCCain or McConnell.  (OK, Maybe not McCain).  Under no circumstances let Dems be elected due to lack of support for the GOP, such as they are. You've got 9 months before an Obamacare avalanche against the Dems, I don't blame GOP for not playing small ball on everything.  Yes, they are stupid for not understanding how to couch an argument.

169 OT - Roads in Atl still suck, and look to stay that way until Friday. Anyone who wants to bust on those of us who live here, come on down and try driving for yourselves.

170 38 Why doesn't the hamburger I get at Wendy's look like the one in the commercial? And why doesn't the counter girl look like that hot, sassy ginger in the commercials? Instead I get a 300 pound LaQuisha texting on her ObamaPhone and picking her hair while I'm trying to order.

171 You are free to skip a comment you are not interested in. And shut your idiot mouth. Two toe snaps! And a Z snap for the ladies!

172 *knock* *knock*

Anybody home?

Hello?

173 Monkeytoe.....once again, with feeling....you can't post from Word/Word Processor....use Notepad.

174 142 We're going to need a bigger barrel.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 29, 2014 01:14 PM (1Y+hH)

I guess one of the reasons conservatives never learn anything is because they are too damn stupid and lazy to read anything longer than 2 sentences. 

I'll just post "I don't like the GOP" from now on and let you little minded lazy idiots continue pretending to have thoughts.

175 Speaking of farm subsidies...how about the dairy subsidy? How about the sugar subsidy? Sugar beets? Lots of agricultural subsidies, it used to tickle me to see these farmers lined up at the counter drinking coffee and bitching about welfare queens...but oh lordy don't start talking about cutting the fallow acres subsidies because FAMILY FARMS!!!eleventy!!!

176 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 01:22 PM (yh0zB) But those states don't support the corn subsidies nearly as strongly. Texas grows corn, and Texans (in general) would LOVE to see those subsidies cut (or removed), as a general matter. It only seems to be a Religious Issue in Iowa. At least, as far as I can see from here in TX.

177 my favorite Shakespeare one is the "do you bite your thumb at me sir?"

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle

"You blocks, you stones,
You less than senseless things!"
Julius Caesar (1.1.36)

178 GFY Monkeytoe. Sack up.

179 I know, right?! Every.damn.time.

Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2014 01:21 PM (bCEmE)

That is some thoughtful commentary that advances conservatism right there.  Good thing you are here on this comment thread.

180

163: "And shut your idiot mouth."

 

Is there a newsletter where a mug can get more of such witty repartee?

181 I guess one of the reasons conservatives never learn anything is because they are too damn stupid and lazy to read anything longer than 2 sentences.

*makes notes*

182 However? When I turned in to Walgreen's I was passed by a whole squad of DOT heavy dump trucks- equipped with snow plows, headed for St. Simons- WTH?

183 And why doesn't the counter girl look like that hot, sassy ginger in the commercials? Now you don't need money when you look like that, do you honey?

184 "We need to go back to old school insults more like "a pox on both their houses" my favorite Shakespeare one is the "do you bite your thumb at me sir?""
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I do bite my thumb, sir.

BURN!

Now good day to you, sir.

185 181 GFY Monkeytoe. Sack up.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 01:25 PM (ojnk6)

Sack up?  I'm not the one crying because someone posted something I was too lazy and stupid to read.

You are free to follow your own advice.

186 "The scene where the assassin is nose to nose with a cop who is looking for any sign of nervousness / guilty conscience gave me chills." Just like The Godfather (part 1), there isn't one second of wasted "filler" in the movie. Every scene, every line of dialog advances the story. Quite a difference from 90% of the crap Hollywood puts out today.

187 "But you're right that we need to be much more accepting of the occasional "gaaaaaaaff" than we are." Just need to take a page from the Dems: 1. Casually dismiss gaffe 2. Counterattack. Like Paul did recently about the War on Wimmenz. His stock shot up immensely with me after that. That is how it's done.

188 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 01:23 PM (7ObY1)

Be thankful she's not picking her nose!

189 Monkeytoe, stop stubbing yourself.

190 My favorite Shakespearian insult (man, when The Bard got on a roll, he really got on a roll!): A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; base, proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, super-serviceable finical rogue; one-trunk-inheriting slave; one that wouldst be a bawd, in way of good service, and art nothing but the composition of a knave, beggar, coward, pandar, and the son and heir of a mongrel bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition. King Lear (2.2.14-24)

191 Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:24 PM (sOx93) The issue isn't the length of the comment- though blog-posts in comment form ARE discouraged. The problem was the formatting. When you copy/paste from any Microsoft product (Word, Wordpad, IE, Excel, etc.) it seems to really jack with the formatting of the comment- making it harder than normal to read a long comment.

192 Maybe while Monkeytoe is in the barrel he can finish his book on influencing people.

193 Is there a newsletter where a mug can get more of such witty repartee?

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 29, 2014 01:26 PM (/qzu7)

Sure. It's called Asshole Parade and is edited by your mom while she sucks my cock. 

194 Hey guys-- check out the sidebar: USA Today: Weatherman Jim Cantore knees man while on-air In the nuts. [rdbrewer] LOL! Are all the Boys from Brooklyn going NUT!!! Ha!

195 Oh goody, erg 2.0 is here.

196

177: "I'll just post "I don't like the GOP" from now on and let you little minded lazy idiots continue pretending to have thoughts."

 

I must bow to your wit sir.

 

Or maybe it's a cramp from laughing too hard. Difficult to tell the difference.

197 When did Monkeytoe go full retard?

198 "That is some thoughtful commentary that advances conservatism right there. Good thing you are here on this comment thread."
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You're going to need me if you wwant to keep digging!

199 Not to mention the blowing out of the margins that occasionally happens and makes reading comments impossible for those of us on phones.

200 188 As someone noted above, learn to use notepad or tinyurl, dipshit. How hard is this?

201 Derp. Derp. Derpity Derp.

202 Books for sale. Cheap. Anybody need a copy?

203 Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 01:29 PM (RJMhd) Somebody posted that either in the THC or Dump threads this morning. Pretty funny.

204 Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 29, 2014 01:22 PM (RZ8pf)

my favorite Shakespeare one is the "do you bite your thumb at me sir?"

I'm a big fan of the reply. "No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I
bite my thumb, sir."

205 some good "classic insults" on goodreads quotes: “A member of Parliament to Disraeli: 'Sir, you will either die on the gallows or of some unspeakable disease.' That depends, Sir,' said Disraeli, 'whether I embrace your policies or your mistress.” ― Benjamin Disraeli

206 I'm not the one crying because someone posted something I was too lazy and stupid to read.
You are free to follow your own advice.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:26 PM (sOx93)

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Monkeytoe - I don't think you are getting it.  No one is complaining about the content of your thoughts.  The complaint is the mess you make while copying and then pasting those thoughts into the blog. 

You do see that it is a mess, right?  Lots and lots and lots of blank white space, filled with Word commands and other assorted tomfoolery. 

You have to copy and paste from NOTEPAD - not WORD. 

207 I believe there is some thumb biting going on in this thread.

208 That is some thoughtful commentary that advances conservatism right there. Good thing you are here on this comment thread. Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:25 PM (sOx93) And you took up that much space to tell us to 'sit out elections to teach the GOP a lesson.'? Thoughtful commentary indeed.....

209 That is how it's done.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 29, 2014 01:26 PM (fT3qO)

I said here a while back that Rand's response to unindicted criminal Gregory "gotcha" question should be required viewing (preferably an endless loop for 24 hours) for every conservative candidate's MFM pre-interview preparation.

210 Damn it! I want SOUND with the nutting!!!

211 mso-para-margin-right:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:10.0pt; mso-para-margin-left:0in; line-height:115%; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; mso-ascii-font-family:Calibri; mso-ascii-theme-font:minor-latin; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-theme-font:minor-fareast; mso-hansi-font-family:Calibri; mso-hansi-theme-font:minor-latin;} Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:11 PM (sOx93) I guess one of the reasons conservatives never learn anything is because they are too damn stupid and lazy to read anything longer than 2 sentences. I'll just post "I don't like the GOP" from now on and let you little minded lazy idiots continue pretending to have thoughts. Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:24 PM (sOx93) Seriously guys, that was pretty deep, if only you all weren't so dumb you'd have understood that profundity.

212 198 Hey guys-- check out the sidebar: USA Today: Weatherman Jim Cantore knees man while on-air In the nuts. [rdbrewer] LOL! Are all the Boys from Brooklyn going NUT!!! Ha! Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 01:29 PM (RJMhd) Is Cantore from Brooklyn? Well, I liked the move. Unfortunately he's a global warming propagandist, so there's that.

213 But you're right that we need to be much more accepting of the occasional "gaaaaaaaff" than we are.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 01:23 PM (PYAXX)

It would help if our idiot politicos would learn the art of short concise answers. Instead they see that camera light blinking and cannot overcome the impulse to run their suckholes, and the media is more than willing to let them talk until they say something that can be used against them.

Every.

Damn.


Time.

214 Shut your whore mouth!

215 and then it was like BOOM!, Nazis everywhere!

216 207 Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 01:29 PM (RJMhd) Somebody posted that either in the THC or Dump threads this morning. Pretty funny. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 01:30 PM (PYAXX) ******** Allen--did that one have sound? I swear I might search for it.

217 "Curse you sudden but inevitable betrayal!"

218 Unfortunately he's a global warming propagandist, so there's that. I can temporarily forgive that in light of him kneeing some frat-boy in the crotch.

219 209 That depends, Sir,' said Disraeli, 'whether I embrace your policies or your mistress.” ― Benjamin Disraeli Posted by: votermom at January 29, 2014 01:30 PM (GSIDW) Liberalism or Moochelle's hoo-hoo? Some choice.

220 208 I'm a big fan of the reply. "No, sir, I do not bite my thumb at you, sir, but I
bite my thumb, sir."Posted by: Big Ol Fat Guy at January 29, 2014 01:30 PM (BpQmM)
But first you will bite my thumb.

221 Allen--did that one have sound? I think it did, but I don't know- I can't have the sound up here at work.

222 The problem was the formatting. When you copy/paste from any Microsoft product (Word, Wordpad, IE, Excel, etc.) it seems to really jack with the formatting of the comment- making it harder than normal to read a long comment.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 01:27 PM (PYAXX)

Not really, if you look at the comment there is some formatting problem up front - easily skimmed over and at the end - easily skimmed over.  The body is mostly fine.  I have mentioned before that Ace's comments are the worst of any blog-site out there in terms of being user friendly.  I often admit to not being that technically savvy when it comes to this stuff.  But this is the only site with these problems.

I don't really care though.  I'm just having fun at this point.  Jumping in and getting people pissy. Which I find enjoyable as people cry and complain - like it's the end of the world.  Makes me laugh.

223 Is Ace in time-out ?

224 The economy's still middling and food stamps are the hill you wanna die on? And other Republicans are the dumb ones. OK then

225 That is how it's done. Posted by: Burn the Witch It's really that simple. I'm not advocating continuing support when someone clearly goes too far. But continue supporting someone who might have spoken an uncomfortable truth and we are labelled 'truecons' or 'purists', etc. Who is it that's actually seeking perfection here?

226 Plus we need more use of words like "tomfoolery" and "kerfuffle". I myself am a member of the kerfuffle army. I try to use it at least once a week in conversation. Oh and jackanapes, I love that word too. Yeah, yeah I am not advancing the GOP conversation. Meh.

227

197: "Sure. It's called Asshole Parade and is edited by your mom while she sucks my cock."

 

Oh shit! Oh damn! But my was that a good one! Prose for the ages.

 

Biff would be proud. 

228 Seriously guys, that was pretty deep, if only you all weren't so dumb you'd have understood that profundity. Posted by: mugiwara at January 29, 2014 01:31 PM (3d63f) Well, cameltoe crammed all that into two sentences, so I was able to wrap my feeble, profoundly dumb brain around it. Barely.

229 Next time just apologize instead of flexing your anus.

230 This one fits Obama “Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go.” ― Oscar Wilde

231 216 198 Hey guys-- check out the sidebar: USA Today: Weatherman Jim Cantore knees man while on-air In the nuts. [rdbrewer] LOL! Are all the Boys from Brooklyn going NUT!!! Ha! Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 01:29 PM (RJMhd) Is Cantore from Brooklyn? Well, I liked the move. Unfortunately he's a global warming propagandist, so there's that. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 29, 2014 01:31 PM (olDqf) *********** I dunno. He's Italian. Aren't they all eventually from Brooklyn? (Ya that Global Warming Crap.) Speaking of Rep. Grimm-- He apologized. Grimm and the reporter are "doing lunch." And Charlie Rangel basically said-- "It's Brooklyn--faget about it!--That's how they roll!"

232 It would help if our idiot politicos would learn the art of short concise answers. This. Actually, I use this in real life. "Answer the question that is asked." When someone asks an open-ended question, keep the answer concise. When they ask as a closed-ended question, just answer and stop. Coupled with challenging the premise of the question (where necessary), you get some really powerful rhetorical weapons.

233 228 The economy's still middling and food stamps are the hill you wanna die on? And other Republicans are the dumb ones. OK then Posted by: JL at January 29, 2014 01:33 PM (m+BIj) It's not about food stamps. It's about why way more Americans are forced to rely on them than ever before. Articulate that so the LIV hordes can understand it and you will win, voter fraud notwithstanding.

234 You do see that it is a mess, right? Lots and lots and lots of blank white space, filled with Word commands and other assorted tomfoolery. You have to copy and paste from NOTEPAD - not WORD. Posted by: grammie winger at January 29, 2014 01:30 PM (P6QsQ) --One thing I like about Opera is that what I type in the comment box has *never* been eaten, which is useful when that "long lines of annoying text" message pops up after submitting. I have always been able to click Backspace and the content is still there intact.

235 don't really care though. I'm just having fun at this point. Jumping in and getting people pissy. Which I find enjoyable as people cry and complain - like it's the end of the world. Makes me laugh. Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:32 PM ..............Well thanks for letting us know upfront that you're going to continue to be a dick. Maybe you could ask for a refund of your premium AOSHQ membership. Or you could go eat a bag of dicks, one or the other.

236 230 Plus we need more use of words like "tomfoolery" and "kerfuffle". Big fan of both myself, especially "kerfuffle." We also should revive "humbuggery." 1. Something intended to deceive; a hoax or fraud. 2. A person who claims to be other than what he or she is; an impostor. 3. Nonsense; rubbish. 4. Pretense; deception.

237 The body is mostly fine. Not on my machine. It's a hot mess.

238 He's Italian. Aren't they all eventually from Brooklyn? You are thinking of The Bronx.

239 Makes me laugh. ------- Well at least you're honest about being an asshole.

240 227 Is Ace in time-out ? Posted by: grammie winger at January 29, 2014 01:32 PM (P6QsQ) ******* If he is--he probably did it to himself.

241

The economy's still middling and food stamps are the hill you wanna die on? And other Republicans are the dumb ones. OK then

 

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Cut one program at a time until the federal government is no longer so large that it prevents the economy from growing.   Oh, and BTW, when you cut a program, it is generally advisable to actually spend less in the future than today.

 

I can     assure you that the economy will not recover until the bureaucracy is reduced.

242 "The economy's still middling and food stamps are the hill you wanna die on? And other Republicans are the dumb ones. OK then" So which hill is worth dying on and what evidence have the Republicans given you that they're willing to die on it. Take your time. Show your work.

243 227 Is Ace in time-out ? Posted by: grammie winger at January 29, 2014 01:32 PM (P6QsQ) He either banned himself, forget the password or is sick. Maybe all three.

244 243 He's Italian. Aren't they all eventually from Brooklyn? You are thinking of The Bronx. Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 01:35 PM (59naz) ********* Damn it! I can't keep it straight. The boy toy is from Queens. Sometimes--he tries to draw me pictures. #$%@

245 Sir Winny. An all time classic:

“'You are drunk Sir Winston, you are disgustingly drunk. 'Yes, Mrs. Braddock, I am drunk. But you, Mrs. Braddock are ugly, and disgustingly fat. But, tomorrow morning, I, Winston Churchill will be sober.”

246 OT - Roads in Atl still suck, and look to stay that way until Friday. Anyone who wants to bust on those of us who live here, come on down and try driving for yourselves. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 01:23 PM (ojnk6) I really didn't need to hear that.

247 Don't forget skullduggery and jiggery pokery - those have a place too.

248 What's that sauce--puntanesca? I blame that.

249 OT - Roads in Atl still suck, and look to stay that way until Friday. Anyone who wants to bust on those of us who live here, come on down and try driving for yourselves. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 01:23 PM (ojnk6) I really didn't need to hear that. Posted by: Country Singer at January 29, 2014 01:37 PM (CWquH) To clarify, I need to get through either Birmingham or ATL ASAP; going to try to do it tomorrow.

250 Serif vs. sans serif has been vexing typographers ever since old guttenberg first fired up his press. Just when you think the argument is settled an upstart Like Calibri comes along.

251 He either banned himself, forget the password or is sick. Maybe all three. Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2014 01:36 PM ...............Laying in an alley, empty Valurite and pudding cups everywhere. Hobo's going through his pockets as we speak. That will probably wake him up.

252 Coupled with challenging the premise of the question (where necessary), you get some really powerful rhetorical weapons.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 01:34 PM (PYAXX)

Channeling the premise of the question, and challenging the language of the question itself can be powerful tools.  I wish some conservative candidates would use them every now and again.

253 It only seems to be a Religious Issue in Iowa. At least, as far as I can see from here in TX.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 01:25 PM (PYAXX)

Not many purely corn farmers in Texas, most corn goes to feed livestock IIRC. But talk to Texas corn farmers (the ones who ONLY grow corn, not the ones who grow a couple of acres of corn to feed their cattle) about cutting corn subsidies and you will get a different story, I promise you.

And, FWIW, I find it funny how Texans feel qualified to talk about what a "religious issue" something is in Iowa, where most of them have never been. One word. Football. (I've lived in Texas.)

It doesn't have to be corn, though. There are a lot of agricultural products that are subsidized to "save the family farms" and no other reason. We have become so good at growing food that fewer people can do it on fewer acres, and a lot of that has to do with the degree of mechanization that is used to do so.

254 nood

255 All this DrewM guy does is bitch that a really conservative House GOP caucus isn't so rightwing that it'll adopt a retarded, suicidal gut spending agenda that has zero to do with addressing our particular econ situation. the next time anyone complains about a Todd Akin keep in mind they're not nearly as artard as the "reasonable" apocalyptic ficon types. keep predicting a collapse that never happens dude.

256 I don't really care though. I'm just having fun at this point. Jumping in and getting people pissy. Which I find enjoyable as people cry and complain - like it's the end of the world. Makes me laugh.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2014 01:32 PM (sOx93)

 

Yeah that's exactly what you were doing.

257 55 Remember when a $1,000,000,000,000.00 bill seemed like fantasy. Posted by: RWC at January 29, 2014 12:48 PM (fWAjv) Hey, you print it we can spend. I mean after we whine about it first, then we'll spend it.

258 Ace woke up....

259 OT - Roads in Atl still suck, and look to stay that way until Friday. Anyone who wants to bust on those of us who live here, come on down and try driving for yourselves. Meh, it's not like you southerners know how to make a right turn when the roads are dry. NASCAR Driver v. Rally Driver debate?

260 Dang, somebody needs more coffee or a cigarette.

261 251 I'm sorry to hear about your situation Country Singer. I'm a private pilot and checked with the local Gen Av airports to see if they would rent me one to get you there, but they said no rentals until at least Friday if not Saturday.

262 O/T, Sorry. Is The Military Channel accurate? I put it on at 11 this morning and watched the last of the series on WWI.

263 Eerily prescient of the hookup culture: “If all the girls attending [the Yale prom] were laid end to end, I wouldn't be at all surprised.” ― Dorothy Parker, While Rome Burns

264 BTW, Georgia Morons and Moronettes: Be sure to call/write/fax/email/bludgeon the cranium of your State Rep. HB 875 is coming up and needs all the support it can get. Main provisions: -Removal of fingerprinting for renewal of Weapons Carry Licenses (“WCL”). -Prohibiting the state from creating and maintaining a database of WCL holders. -Creation of an absolute defense for the legal use of deadly force in the face of a violent attack. -Removal of the sweeping restrictions on legally carrying a firearm with a WCL in churches and bars, leaving this decision to private property owners. -Lowering the age to obtain a concealed WCL for self-defense from 21 to 18 for active duty military, with specific training. -Repealing the unnecessary and duplicative state-required license for a firearms dealer, instead requiring only a Federal Firearms License (FFL). -Preempting a ban on firearms in public housing, ensuring that the right to self-defense should not be infringed based on where one calls home. -Codifying the ability to legally carry, with a WCL, in sterile/non-secure areas of airports. -Incorporation of the NICS Improvement Amendments Act for mental health reporting. -Stating that under a declared state of emergency, all law-abiding gun owners will not have their Second Amendment rights restricted or infringed by executive authority through Emergency Powers protection. -Strengthening current firearms preemption statutes through further clarification of the regulatory authority of local governments, excluding firearm discharge ordinances. -Allowing school systems to decide whether staff and faculty may carry a firearm on school property, pending approved training, similar to the NRA’s National School Shield program. -Allowing the lawful carry by WCL holders in government buildings where it is not currently restricted or security screening personnel are posted during regular business hours. Text of the HB875 is here: http://tinyurl.com/m4l9ggk

265 What's puzzling to me is that the GOP is considering giving 10 mil illegals resident status and helping to drive job market into a nose dive (and there isn't much altitude to dive) yet the first things they do to supposedly help restrain government spending is to cut aid to american and (coincidentally) illegals.

First off the snap spending cuts are a drop in the bucket (yes even the GOP ones) and don't really save all that much compared to how much we're spending.
Second all that money feed directly into the economy and the redistribution is at a level which helps more people.

They never seem to think that the fair thing to do is across the board cuts. This wouldn't please anybody and more but it would look more fair and the ones affected would range from the rich to the poor.

But for some strange reason they never do that. Do they? Yet they wonder why they don't win any applause for their "fiscal responsibility". (and a lot of folks here reflect this same attitude which makes the GOP just look petty and mean.)

Tom Corbett did the same thing in PA and he's about to have his ass handed to him because it's stupid, it's counter productive when so many are out of work or are underemployed and it looks petty and mean. (which Corbett is. He's a poster boy for the GOP and he's going to lose unless something drastic happens in the next 6 month).

This trying to solve the financial problems and the overspending solely on the backs of those in financial difficulty themselves has always been stupid and mean which I why Monty's Doom Posts always got me so riled up. Never a suggestion of cutting other stuff long with the safety net. No it's all poor people's fault we're bleeding red ink. The bloated safety net is a RESPONSE to the bloated spending on stuff we either don't need or are just high tech make work for the middle class and defense industries.

We should be spending out money exploiting/exploring the solar system. Instead we're building crappy weapons systems for a war we can't win (or don't try to win).

- let the flames begin -

266 I don't really care though. I'm just having fun at this point. Jumping in and getting people pissy. Which I find enjoyable as people cry and complain - like it's the end of the world. Makes me laugh. Cobs? Banhammer Monkeytoe for the confession?

267 268 O/T, Sorry. Is The Military Channel accurate? I put it on at 11 this morning and watched the last of the series on WWI. Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 01:42 PM (z4WKX) Why? Who did they say won?

268 "Posted by: Big Ol Fat Guy at January 29, 2014 01:36 PM"

I'm paraphrasing, but one of my favorite Churchill exchanges was along the lines of "If I were your wife, I would poison your coffee."  Churchill: "If you were my wife, madam, I would drink it."

269 Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 01:41 PM (ojnk6) I appreciate you checking!

270 If we can't do a line item veto, let's pass line item bills. One bill, one spending authorization. - The same people who pass a spending 'cut' that isn't actually a cut will get right on that if they take the senate........................... Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 01:11 PM (ZkzmI) ThatÂ’s a novel idea, but they love to lump everything into one giant bill so we donÂ’t see way else they put in it.

271 Meh, it's not like you southerners know how to make a right turn when the roads are dry.

Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 01:40 PM (59naz)

HAHAHAHAHA!

dick.

272 Why? Who did they say won? Posted by: Tami at January 29, 2014 01:43 PM (bCEmE) The Allies, by storming one city in Germany that they thought was a losing cause. I donÂ’t remember the name. Thank you, Tami.

273 I didn’t listen to SOTU, I listened to podcast from Friday at work, it was late & I was only one there. Then I put Mark Levin on again. Mark had Dr. Paul Kengor on, he called the SCOAMF a “red diaper baby” because of Frank Marshall Davis being his mentor. Kengor also said that in TFG’s book, he repeatedly mentions Frank but never with a last name. I’m reading an article from American Thinker from 2012 about the influence of Davis on TFG, ValJar & Axelrod. After his 2004 DNC convention speech, TFG has the audio book of his blank out paragraphs with any mention of Frank.