January 07, 2014
— Ace @AOSHQDOOM linked this last night. If you've gotten the sense that America has lost its way and doesn't even seem to want to find its way back, Frank Luntz has the data to back that up. And he's depressed about it.
America's best-known public-opinion guru hasn't suddenly gone vegan. Luntz—the tubby, rumpled guy who runs the focus groups on Fox News after presidential debates, the political consultant and TV fixture whose word has been law in Republican circles since he helped write the 1994 Contract With America—has always been a hard man to please. But something is different now, he tells me. Something is wrong. Something in his psyche has broken, and he does not know if he can recover.Frank Luntz is having some kind of crisis. I just can't quite get my head around it.
"I've had a headache for six days now, and it doesn't go away," he tells me as we take our seats at a table downstairs. "I don't sleep for more than two or three hours at a time. I'm probably less healthy now than I have ever been in my life." He's not sure what to do. He's still going through the motions—giving speeches, going on television, conducting focus groups, and advising companies and politicians on how best to convey their message....
The crisis began, he says, after last year's presidential election, when Luntz became profoundly depressed. For more than a month, he tried to stay occupied, but nothing could keep his attention. Finally, six weeks after the election, during a meeting of his consulting company in Las Vegas, he fell apart. Leaving his employees behind, he flew back to his mansion in Los Angeles, where he stayed for three weeks, barely going outside or talking to anyone.
..."I spend more time with voters than anybody else," Luntz says. "I do more focus groups than anybody else. I do more dial sessions than anybody else. I don't know shit about anything, with the exception of what the American people think."
It was what Luntz heard from the American people that scared him. They were contentious and argumentative. They didn't listen to each other as they once had. They weren't interested in hearing other points of view. They were divided one against the other, black vs. white, men vs. women, young vs. old, rich vs. poor. "They want to impose their opinions rather than express them," is the way he describes what he saw. "And they're picking up their leads from here in Washington." Haven't political disagreements always been contentious, I ask? "Not like this," he says. "Not like this."
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In reelecting Obama, the people had spoken. And the people, he believed, were wrong. Having spent his career telling politicians what the people wanted to hear, Luntz now believed the people had been corrupted and were beyond saving. Obama had ruined the electorate, set them at each other's throats, and there was no way to turn back.
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[W]hat if the Real People are wrong? That is the possibility Luntz now grapples with. What if the things people want to hear from their leaders are ideas that would lead the country down a dangerous road?
"You should not expect a handout," he tells me. "You should not even expect a safety net. When my house burns down, I should not go to the government to rebuild it. I should have the savings, and if I don't, my neighbors should pitch in for me, because I would do that for them." The entitlement he now hears from the focus groups he convenes amounts, in his view, to a permanent poisoning of the electorate—one that cannot be undone. "We have now created a sense of dependency and a sense of entitlement that is so great that you had, on the day that he was elected, women thinking that Obama was going to pay their mortgage payment, and that's why they voted for him," he says. "And that, to me, is the end of what made this country so great."
Neo-Neocon discusses Luntz's dour assessment of the American psyche.
This is why the Democrats have picked themselves up from the debacle that Obamacare has been and are counting on their campaign against “economic inequality” to appeal in this way. But the message is hardly new, and of course it hardly began with Obama, although he has delivered it repeatedly. The soil was carefully fertilized first before he could plant those seeds and have them take root so well. This is a strain in politics and in culture—both in America and abroad—that has been building for literally hundreds of years. And it rests on a foundation that is inherent in human nature, although that aspect is not always dominant and is ever at war with another desire, one towards liberty and independence.Obama could not have been elected (remember what he said to Joe the Plumber?) without the ground having been prepared by nearly a century of ever-increasing entitlements, and most especially a “progressive” takeover of the major institutions that shape both the growing mind and the adult one (education, the MSM, and entertainment), as well as the slow and steady undermining of the traditional family.
There is no mystery here, and there should have been no surprise. If Luntz and many others were surprised, they werenÂ’t paying attention.
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Despair about this is not an option, although it is sometimes a temptation. Obamacare is a little window of opportunity that needs to be opened. But the stupid party (you know who you are) had better get a lot smarter very soon. ItÂ’s late, and getting later.
Read the whole things, both.
Hot Air's Quotes of the Day were mostly about this. Well, this, and an Internet Vaporware Meme that "The Right Craves a New King, because they don't believe democracy will produce good results any longer." But the silly "king" meme is just an expression of frustration with the voters' choice to begin hooking up with Socialism, and maybe even let Socialism get to Fourth Base.
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Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 09:55 AM (6T8Ay)
So la Luntz discovered what was becoming obvious sometime around the Nixon administration?
Posted by: Honest Dave Bolls at January 07, 2014 09:56 AM (Nvd6O)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 07, 2014 09:58 AM (qtpPt)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 09:59 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 09:59 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: John McCain at January 07, 2014 09:59 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: corporate stooge at January 07, 2014 10:00 AM (dskTv)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 07, 2014 10:00 AM (9PrpA)
Having spent his career telling politicians what the people wanted to hear, Luntz now believed the people had been corrupted and were beyond saving. Obama had ruined the electorate, set them at each other's throats, and there was no way to turn back.
Well yes. That's kind of the problem. When politicians depend on telling people what they want to hear instead of what they need to hear, and the people do not argue or think critically about what they're hearing, you end up with a spoiled electorate that expects its whims to be catered to and an equally spoiled political class who expect to be elected without actually accomplishing anything so long as they say the right words.
This was not unforeseen. It is, however, extremely depressing. On that, Luntz and I agree.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:00 AM (4df7R)
The Right Craves a New King, because they don't believe democracy will produce good results any longer."
Democracy doesn't produce good results. At its best, it produces results that hurt the fewest amount of people. And just for the record, I don't want a king.
I want a Robespierre.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (t7OO0)
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I crave a new King. Well, He's not really new.......
Maybe this year it will be time.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 02:00 PM (4df7R)
::: sigh :::
We're all depressed.
So...up on the trampoline with you.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (ZPrif)
Of course, the original idea was that representatives would use their own best judgement, that they were elected because they were of good moral character and exhibited sound decision making, and were expected to find the best solution for the whole nation not a constituent part. but that was a long time ago and this is now where things are different.
Posted by: Super Dave Osborne at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (Nvd6O)
Not a declaration of intent, but an acquiescence to reality.
Let it burn, baby, 'cause it's already on fire. Pray. Prepare if you want, but remember, at the end of the day, preparations will go awry, food will go bad, gold will be stolen, and ammunition will be spent.
All you can trust in is Jesus Christ and His salvation. Everything else is crumbling fast.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 07, 2014 10:01 AM (Rlm59)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:02 AM (8D0/R)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:02 AM (PYAXX)
So we're boned then.
Posted by: EC at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: jwest at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 02:01 PM (6T8Ay)
*sniffle* Too depressed.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MMW at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (kt/h1)
Posted by: maddogg at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: spongeworthy at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (r5w1L)
Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (t7OO0)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 07, 2014 10:03 AM (xm1A1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 10:04 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 07, 2014 10:05 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 10:05 AM (7kkQJ)
So...up on the trampoline with you.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 02:01 PM (6T8Ay)
Elegant segue....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2014 10:05 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: OregonMuse at January 07, 2014 02:03 PM (xm1A1)
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I lol'd. Then I threw up a little in my mouth.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 10:05 AM (P6QsQ)
It's not the conservative right who want a tyrant monarch. and pundit knows it
(covers ass by labeling it 'vaporware internet meme')
Posted by: Super Dave Osborne at January 07, 2014 10:05 AM (Nvd6O)
I raise my glass to you, madam, I await the same.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 07, 2014 10:05 AM (Rlm59)
Posted by: Fritz at January 07, 2014 10:06 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 10:06 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 07, 2014 10:06 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 07, 2014 10:06 AM (5MGEE)
But anyway: It's often said but it bears repeating: Conservatives engage in sieges and rearguard actions. Leftists engage in long occupations and campaigns of propaganda. And the latter is what usually wins.
Posted by: joncelli at January 07, 2014 10:06 AM (RD7QR)
It sounds simple....doesn't it?
Yet I can think of no solution to our problems. Even term limits will simply compress the thievery and influence gathering into a smaller window, but won't eliminate it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2014 10:07 AM (QFxY5)
Ditto.
And sickly to boot.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:07 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: mongo78 at January 07, 2014 10:07 AM (amCAe)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:07 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:07 AM (RJMhd)
Dennis Miller's fallen down that depression hole.
I bawled my eyes out on election night. That's how fundamentally depressed I was. It was final proof for me of the fact that the America I knew and loved was gone, replaced by a disparate herd of gluttonous parasites. I still ahven't gotten over it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (4df7R)
Lutz is stuck. I feel for him.... I really do. Alot of us felt this way after the 2012 election.
The difference between Lutz and alot of us here are three little polysyllabic words.
Let.It.Burn.
Once Frank accepts this a the only true long term solution to the 52%, he'll feel much better.
And before you dismiss LIB as apocalyptic fantasy.... let me point out a few recent news stories that make the case.
* That Obama "cheerleader" pissed off about he Bronze plan??? Burning
* That business owner in OK that shuttering her business.... Burnt.
* 5.4 million folks that lost their existing plans??? Burning
Maybe Ace can get Lutz a 90 Day Free Trial For Platinum AoSHQ Membership ...... and throw in a couple dozen ampersands for free...... just to give Frank some sense of hope.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (8D0/R)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (PYAXX)
*remembers that husband does not have PIN to the bank account*
*sighs, gets back up*
Posted by: Filly at January 07, 2014 10:08 AM (gr/p1)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 10:09 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 10:09 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Progtard 2000 at January 07, 2014 10:09 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: LIV at January 07, 2014 10:09 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:10 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 07, 2014 10:10 AM (l3vZN)
Posted by: Marry Poppins' Pratically Perfect Piercing at January 07, 2014 02:01 PM (zF6Iw)
Alex can play Napoleon. She's got the attitude already down.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:10 AM (hLRSq)
I don't give Luntz too hard of a time, I was also shocked to the extent of the size of the FSA after that election, and I already thought it was huge.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 07, 2014 10:10 AM (MaP11)
Posted by: X at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (KHo8t)
"The Right Craves a New King,
Not me.......more and more each day I long for it all to dissolve. Why should a group of people who hate each other be forced to exist together in a political party or (more importantly) a government?
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (iurE1)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 02:06 PM (CJjw5)
This sums it up. a lot of people underestimate it's power. Not only do they think they can change it, but that it will become a utopia when the "suceed"
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 02:10 PM (hLRSq)
And the altitude (or lack thereof).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: elaine at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (GNZ0/)
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 10:11 AM (92FlR)
Posted by: Marco Rubio, Schumer's Bitch at January 07, 2014 10:12 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: OxyCOn at January 07, 2014 10:12 AM (xBryS)
Posted by: Mindy at January 07, 2014 10:12 AM (Bs5ky)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 10:12 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:12 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: X at January 07, 2014 10:12 AM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Chelsea Johnson at January 07, 2014 10:13 AM (QM5S2)
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 07, 2014 10:13 AM (5MGEE)
I sure hope, for your sake, that AtC doesn't check that link.
::: checks stockage level of Raptor Chow :::
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:13 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: Mindy at January 07, 2014 10:13 AM (Bs5ky)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 02:12 PM (ZPrif)
Don't you go getting any clever ideas, gringo.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 07, 2014 10:13 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (YJSRY)
Crack a fuckin history book, Frank! It's tribalism - it's how human beings have arranged their affairs from the beginning of time, genius.
People like Luntz forget that America as constituted is an aberration. Compared to the rest of human history, America is an anomaly. And the problem with anomalies is that they tend to be worn down to match the status quo unless they are actively promoted and elevated.
Luntz thought that Americans would always be the same because they were Americans. He seems to have forgotten that the very concept of being an "American" barely even registers on the anthropological scale of history. It was always ours to lose.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Witchwind at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (pginn)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 10:14 AM (hFL/3)
> Sacrifice? What's that?
Posted by: LIV at January 07, 2014 02:09 PM (hFL/3)
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Look around. It's not just the LIV that are refusing to sacrifice.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 10:15 AM (92FlR)
Posted by: Commander Crunch at January 07, 2014 10:15 AM (yhJhK)
Does this country deserve to survive? I'm leaning more and more to "no".
+100000000000000000000000000000000
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 10:15 AM (iurE1)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:16 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 10:16 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Erowmero at January 07, 2014 10:16 AM (OONaw)
Posted by: Filly at January 07, 2014 10:16 AM (gr/p1)
//Sven10077(?)
The American people want THIS or rather THIS is empowered because the American people want wealth without work, gain without thrift, and a consequence free existence....
If the GOP offered a program giving 2,000,000 per head to FSA to leave this nation and never come back I'd back it no shit....
the land itself is bountiful, the position wonderful but the people incorrigible.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 07, 2014 10:17 AM (TE35l)
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Wow, that speaks volumes...
Posted by: Filly at January 07, 2014 10:17 AM (gr/p1)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 02:12 PM (ZPrif)
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Hell.... the left is entirely tribal... and not just by ethnicity. Just try cutting against the grain of the gays, the unions, pro choice, pro environment, the wymyns movement.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 10:18 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 10:18 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Mindy at January 07, 2014 10:18 AM (Bs5ky)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 02:16 PM (7kkQJ)
Oh....how quaint!
Hope you have all of your licenses.
Posted by: Dept. of Regulating Out of Existence at January 07, 2014 10:18 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Null at January 07, 2014 10:18 AM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 10:19 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 10:19 AM (MMC8r)
"The Right Craves a New King."
I beg to differ, the Left are the ones that worship humans and bow down to them, creating cults of personality.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:19 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:19 AM (J5lvw)
You were just infected with some spamware. I'll clean it out and then we just need to reboot.
Just turn America off and then back on for me.
Thanks
Posted by: Your IT department at January 07, 2014 10:19 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 10:19 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 10:20 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 10:20 AM (t7OO0)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:20 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 02:19 PM (MMC8r)
and crying like a little bitch about it. It's one thing to identify an issue, it's another to let it emasculate you.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:20 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin at January 07, 2014 10:20 AM (8ZskC)
We are the closest we have ever fucking been to having a GODDAMNED KING I want a FUCKING PRESIDENT constrained by the US Constitution....
like I ranted about the MN town that fucked 70% of homeowners who rent
Do YOUR GODDAMNED JOB politicians and QUIT WORRYING ABOUT PISSING OFF "the wrong people"...
I shit on all of them.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 07, 2014 10:21 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 10:21 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: jwest at January 07, 2014 10:21 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Mindy at January 07, 2014 10:21 AM (Bs5ky)
We have 32 Republican Governors and won 24 States in the Presidential election. Its bad but its recoverable.
That said I will always be in favor of a peaceful split.
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 10:22 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Beef at January 07, 2014 10:22 AM (XERws)
Posted by: SamIam at January 07, 2014 10:22 AM (FKt6g)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 10:22 AM (7kkQJ)
but I know it won't be as long as "principled" "conservatives" refuse to show up and vote for anyone other than their "dream" candidate.
As a principled Conservative, allow me to kindly say "kiss my ass"
I thought by eliminating all us SoCon nutjobs, the new adherents to the RINO nation would be legion.
Getting scared are you?
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (iurE1)
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everything the left says is not only wrong, but as wrong a wrong can be. For example, Al Gore's book and movie were entitled An Inconvenient Truth when they were a convenient lie.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Mindy at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (Bs5ky)
Posted by: elaine at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (GNZ0/)
Posted by: t-bird at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (FcR7P)
We had a kill hat (small Korean man with a gravelly voice - imagine it in your mind) at Aircrew school who destroyed our souls one morning. Instead of getting the 'name of exercise' followed by the 'number of repetitions,' we got this:
"We will do side-straddle hops. We will do ... *menacing pause, voice drops half an octave* ... many of them."
I mean, if they're willing to SAY '200', how the fuck many is 'many'?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (ZPrif)
Look, I design military patches. Have a few under my belt.
I want to make one for AoS 'rons and 'ettes.
It'll involve viking helmets, lots of mysterious latin letters, flaming swords. And be as offensive as possible.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:23 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 07, 2014 10:24 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 10:24 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:24 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 10:24 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 07, 2014 10:25 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 07, 2014 10:25 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 10:25 AM (QupBk)
The poor man.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 07, 2014 02:22 PM (BZAd3)
He certainly has some problems. The headaches that won't go away should be sending him to a doctor now to check for an aneurysm or a tumor, and that could be the actual source of his depression.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:25 AM (hLRSq)
They suck Obama's dick after simpering over Bush's outrageous use of power...
the fact is they just want their fucking way...and that is "okay"....so lonmg as they amend the contract or we split....
if they want to play might makes right there are many forms of might.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 07, 2014 10:25 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: PJ at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 07, 2014 02:25 PM (WdbF7)
Right?
"I will PT you until your ass is sucking buttermilk!"
- R. Lee Ermey
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:26 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 10:27 AM (jdOk/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 10:27 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: SamIam at January 07, 2014 02:22 PM (FKt6g)
You're almost right.
American women have emasculated the men in this country, and more than a few men have allowed it to happen.
Women. Don't. Want. Weak-assed, limp-wristed, pussified, spineless, ball-less, push-over, theta men. They want MEN.
Women, however, as a species, have become convinced they want the former more than the later.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (fwARV)
Know that one?
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 02:26 PM (RJMhd)
Actually! I do know exactly that patch! Shoot, now I have to go find it. Eagle drivers, I think, off the top of my head.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Regular Guy at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (N3Al8)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (8D0/R)
Remember, the Left is all projection, all the time. See where their minds are headed.
#UnGovernable2016
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (QupBk)
Bless you for upholding cherished AoSHQ traditions in a time of trouble and strife.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Null at January 07, 2014 02:18 PM (xjpRj)
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I and a number of other morons said basically the same thing on that horrible evening. "America as we've known it has ceased to exist".
And I'm still saying that we need to give a big FUCK YOU to the fed government and start working with state governors and legislatures to carve out areas where freedom still rings. It's the only chance we've got now, I'm afraid.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 10:28 AM (92FlR)
Le sigh.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (Oa7B2)
Posted by: Beef at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (XERws)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (t7OO0)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (PYAXX)
A rousing rendition, the presence of Ted Turner and Robert Byrd notwithstanding.
http://youtu.be/UVeSKwM--1M
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 02:23 PM (x3YFz)
I'd buy a few.
Hawaii - 509th Tactical.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:29 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:30 AM (J5lvw)
Being an American and / or becoming American used to mean proudly joining and becoming a part of a tribe. The best tribe in the world.
The lefties have made it their mission to eliminate that attitude and put down America and everything American. Everything is America's fault. The population has essentially been brainwashed .
Posted by: polynikes at January 07, 2014 10:30 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:30 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:30 AM (8D0/R)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2014 10:30 AM (FciyD)
Amen, the GOP cannot win by being the "other governing heavy party" b/c frankly the donks are in evil Santa mode...
we MIGHT win by being the "I won't not only not come in your mouth...I won't fuck YOU in the first place" party....
I'd like to know if the American people are simply greedy or evil so I can make some decisions.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 07, 2014 10:31 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: lindafell at January 07, 2014 10:31 AM (PGO8C)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 10:31 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 02:28 PM (fwARV)
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Shhhhhhhh! PIV lady will hear you.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (jdOk/)
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (QupBk)
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The Republicans stand for something?
I do think I've figured out why the RINOs hate us so bad. The RINOs know that the Obama/Reid/Pelosi coalition will never give an inch on anything so therefore they must betray us and we aren't bending over and taking it like we should. It puts the RINOs in an awkward position.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 10:32 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 02:29 PM (hFL/3)
My last effort was a descending angel, Michael, wings and sword, .... well, poop... here: http://greyttimes.com/?p=745
The patch company couldn't capture it correctly in the stitching, but they did try. Had to abandon the patch. Maybe someday later.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:33 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 02:23 PM (x3YFz)
I would so be down with that. Sign me up.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 02:30 PM (ZPrif)
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Poll tax? Heck , we can't even get Voter ID.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 07, 2014 10:33 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 10:33 AM (hFL/3)
"Does anyone here believe the Founding Fathers envisioned functional idiots being the deciding factor in elections?"
If you are under the impression that this country wasn't filled to the brim with idiots, knaves, hucksters, con men, gulls, cheats, and all other sorts of self-serving lowlifes and their gullible marks right from the beginning then you really haven't been paying attention to American History.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:33 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:33 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (LSJmV)
- R. Lee Ermey
There was an exercise in basic involving an M14 held at arms length while the PT instructor got in your face and screamed at you to hold that weapon up.
That was the day I almost broke. It was so cold they stopped training and moved everyone back inside to warm up. When the order came to fall out, I almost didn't go, until I remembered all the people 'back home' who would be disappointed if I gave up. It was much easier from then on.
Posted by: Regular Army at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (Nvd6O)
Meh.... we didnt lose country when we gave the women the vote.
We lost it when we gave them SHOES.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (nELVU)
We are not the only people angry about the course of our nation. My hope and dream is that the times once again bring forth the man or woman who can see it.
Posted by: PJ at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Roy at January 07, 2014 10:34 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 07, 2014 10:35 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:35 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 10:35 AM (ZshNr)
Women, however, as a species, have become convinced they want the former more than the later.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 02:28 PM (fwARV)
Which is why I am a loud and proud misogynist. Fuck the vaginalogues. And not in the good way.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:35 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:36 AM (8D0/R)
Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 10:36 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:36 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: lindafell at January 07, 2014 10:36 AM (PGO8C)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:37 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Regular Army at January 07, 2014 02:34 PM (Nvd6O)
nice. We've all been there. It's a place you have to visit; where you want to ring that bell, but you stop, wipe the snot from your nose, adjust your panties and stand up without a word.
/nod
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:37 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:37 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 02:23 PM (fwARV)
Holy shit.
I got a shudder just thinking about that.
About as bad as the one I got when I realized the pit at Harmony Church had it's own plumbing system.
Bastards.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: Lauren at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (hFL/3)
That's pretty much what we have now.
Many of us simply have trouble accepting that the will of the people or of their district is not what we want it to be.
We as conservatives are, to put it indelicately, extremists. Cite the Good Old Days or the Constitution all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that we are a rather small minority. Being right doesn't make a sliver of difference.
We scream and bitch when a GOP member of Congress doesn't vote or act how we want them to, but most of the time they're doing exactly what you suggested- following the will of the people.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 07, 2014 10:38 AM (8D0/R)
Posted by: Regular Army at January 07, 2014 02:34 PM (Nvd6O)
My Dad's advice to me right before I shipped out for boot camp: "Son, if you ever get to a point where you think you can't take it anymore, that you want to quit, just keep in kind that people a helluva lot less capable than you made it through."
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 10:39 AM (L8r/r)
Which is part of the reason for the original requirement to own property.
Posted by: Typo Dynamofo at January 07, 2014 10:39 AM (FtCW+)
217 Ok, anyone else need a new thread before they kill themselves?
Posted by: lindafell at January 07, 2014 02:36 PM (PGO8C)
Post #217. how's that ADD coming along?
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:39 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: brak at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (M2qTM)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: awkward davies at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (WK8VM)
Disapora then if able....Galt if not.
Fuck this.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 07, 2014 10:40 AM (pginn)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 10:41 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 10:42 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 02:32 PM (QupBk)
I actually think it's used too often. Words like "liberty" and "freedom" have been used so much that they've lost all meaning. Their actual importance and how they should make you FEEL have gone by the wayside. They've become sentimentalist slogans without any real bite behind them. And that fault lies squarely on our elitist political class.
There's a recurring movement here in NH that resurfaces every few years to scrap the state motto - "Live free or die" -- because it's too "off putting" and "angry." That should tell you all you need to know of what stupid people understand about freedom.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 07, 2014 10:42 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 10:42 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 07, 2014 02:38 PM (6T8Ay)
Every one of them. However, comma, how badass do you feel when you remember the shit you pulled off in a properly-motivated state of mind?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (qtpPt)
i think most could relate.
yeah division was the key along with promising free shit to .
guess divided we fall never reached the ears of the liv's.
1. more thing, fk them.
Posted by: willow at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (nqBYe)
Ditto.
It's often followed by...
"The Dying Cockroach!!!"
"THE DYING COCKROACH, SERRRRGEANT!"
.....
Mommy! Make the bad man stop!
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: drill_thrawl at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (/2ciC)
Heh, I was just out at Harmony Church a few weeks ago. BTW, you'll be pleased to know that recruits now get to bring their cell phones to Basic and post on Facebook while they're there.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 02:41 PM (CJjw5)
Now why you gotta call us DI's "bad man?"
I always kept it simple: "Drop. Push."
said in a loving tone.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:43 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 02:33 PM (hLRSq)
Yes, but the difference is that, in the beginning, not all of those idiots could vote.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:44 AM (4df7R)
And when all the brokenhearted people
Living in the world will turn
There will be an answer, let it burn....
For though they may be parted
There is still a chance that they will learn
There will be an answer, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Let it burn, let it burn
Yeah, there will be an answer let it burn.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 07, 2014 10:44 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 10:44 AM (jdOk/)
Ten feet tall and bulletproof.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:44 AM (6T8Ay)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 07, 2014 10:44 AM (DmNpO)
but most of the time they're doing exactly what you suggested- following the will of the people
You really believe this?
ObamaCare
Immigration Reform (Amnesty)
Rampant spending
On ans On and On and On............ You really think these things are the will of the people? Furthermore, do you really think these things are the will of the people in the reddest of red districts (and YES this DOES HAPPEN)?
If you think the pols are representing the will of the people, then this country is truly fucked and NO amount of "getting R's elected" is going to help
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 10:45 AM (iurE1)
That was the day I almost broke. It was so cold they stopped training and moved everyone back inside to warm up. When the order came to fall out, I almost didn't go, until I remembered all the people 'back home' who would be disappointed if I gave up. It was much easier from then on.
Posted by: Regular Army at January 07, 2014 02:34 PM (Nvd6O)
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January, 1968. Ft. Campbell, KY. I know exactly from where you speak.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 10:45 AM (92FlR)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:45 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 07, 2014 10:45 AM (CJjw5)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 07, 2014 02:40 PM (DmNpO)
I. Love. 'Ettes.
Seriously.
Now if you'll excuse me. Bunk.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:45 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: lindafell at January 07, 2014 10:46 AM (PGO8C)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:46 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 07, 2014 10:46 AM (LSJmV)
Perhaps we should discuss the whole driving thing first.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 07, 2014 10:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 10:47 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 07, 2014 10:47 AM (FciyD)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 07, 2014 10:47 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 10:47 AM (g1DWB)
"This limited the # of retard votes."
The usual thing was property ownership. That in itself doesn't preclude the voters from voting representatives that will give them goodies. Crony capitalism isn't a new development in teh history of the USA. It is just the government is so much bigger that there is so much more of it.
Property ownership doesn't preclude non-retardic voting patterns.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:47 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (6CyKG)
It'll involve viking helmets, lots of mysterious latin letters, flaming swords. And be as offensive as possible.
Want. Many.
Posted by: sinmi at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (TuiTY)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (GaqMa)
I was the last group to go through OSUT in Harmony Church. Everyone after us went to Sand Hill.
I (fondly??) recall the night 40 years of filth backed-up in the latrines and flooded them to the depth of 6 inches.
Drill Sergeant's solution to that was MOPP-4, mops, squeegees, and bleach.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (6T8Ay)
Yeah, you look at what they are saying, then you look at what the Democrats say when they think they are among friends--it is fucking de-press-ing.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 02:43 PM (L8r/r)
So... Liberals are running basic now?
I wonder how that flies on Parris Island...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 07, 2014 10:48 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (zOTsN)
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: soothie at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (J5lvw)
Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (t7OO0)
Posted by: Shoot Me at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (qiXMt)
Posted by: --- at January 07, 2014 02:47 PM (MMC8r)
Oooohhh, ME ME ME ME ME!!!!!
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (L8r/r)
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That's it! I knew there had to be a reason why Obama won and that's it! Chem trails!
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 07, 2014 10:49 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: lindafell at January 07, 2014 02:46 PM (PGO8C)
ISWYDT
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (x3YFz)
anti-tribalism and anti-women screed in one
love the hypocrisy
time to go train
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 07, 2014 02:43 PM (IXrOn)
I don't think it's anti-tribalism. Tribalism IS. You can't get away from it. What you can do is try to make tribes work together for the common good, thereby improving every tribe's station. America was always at its best when we were a melting pot of different cultures working together, not this preposterous "salad bowl" of separate groups existing in close, uneasy proximity.
And as for the anti-women bit, damn right I'm anti-vaginalogue. They aren't women. They're estrogen-soaked hysterics who have no business opening their mouths in public and expecting to be taken seriously. They wouldn't know how to be a woman if they were given a how-to guide. Fuck them all. They have doomed us as badly as any racialist "preacher."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (jdOk/)
Obama and the progressive left thrive on dissension and pessimism.
A people concerned mainly with hanging on to what little they've got and at their neighbors; throats are a people who are never going to bestir themselves to object to or even question the defining down of deviancy -- gay marriage, free dope, abortion on demand, a rampaging welfare state, the demonization of organized religion, the marginalization of people of faith, and the conversion of the nation to a one-party state.
Posted by: Powderhouse Rules at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (YBusZ)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 07, 2014 10:50 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 02:23 PM (x3YFz)<
I'll take 3. Really. May I suggest a raptor for the design?
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (KjlbF)
AoSHQ. come for the erudition, stay for the scatology.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (6T8Ay)
That, my good man, is a fine point.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (4I3Uo)
Perhaps we should discuss the whole driving thing first.
Now your really ahead of the curve. We need to get that whole working outside the house thing fixed first.
Posted by: drill_thrawl at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (/2ciC)
This misses a big part of the reality. Sure - the left has made a majority of Americans willing to be dependent on the Gov't. But, the left did not do that alone. The GOP helped almost every step of the way.
George W. Bush said in his campaign (paraphrasing): "when people hurt, the gov't has to act."
The GOP has never really fought against the idea of the gov't solving people's problems. The GOP has instead done the same exact thing as the dems in telling people it will solve their problems and give them stuff, albeit to a lesser extent than the Dems. That is because the GOP is not a conservative party. It is a slightly less liberal than the DNC party. That is not the same thing.
This is why I say we, as conservatives need to sit out the 2014 elections and put the fear of always losing elections into the GOP. If we don't move them to the right now, we never will. this is our last best chance. The stars are aligned.
I say this because a) 2014 doesn't matter all that much in that a "lost chance" to win the Senate will not lose much, if anything. Obama will still be in office and therefore Obamacare won't be repealed. And no other conservative stuff will get done (assuming - wrongly - that the GOP would pursue any such conservative things). So, it's not a big loss not to win the Senate in 2014.
Meanwhile, because it is looking like very good circumstances for the GOP. If conservative defections cost them elections - they will not be able to ignore it.
Finally, because of how bad Obama is and how bad Obamacare is, 2016 will likely still be a good opportunity for the GOP to win.
This is the year to make a real effort to force the GOP to the right. The only way to do that is to prove to the GOP that conservatives will not vote for a left-of-center GOP just because the Dems are worse. The only way to prove that is to sit out an election.
Absent that, the GOP will not change. it would have no reason to. First, the majority of candidates who run as conservatives are not - so once in office they are happy to go along with the GOP leftism. Second, those that are actually conservative are in such a huge minority in the GOP, they have little sway. The idea that we will change the status quo with a primary here or a primary there is inane.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 10:51 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 02:43 PM (L8r/r)
I pushed troops through basic 91-96.
Please tell me you're kidding. Say you're kidding.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 02:44 PM (4df7R)
But the ones who could vote were also idiots. I have no illusions about what my ancestors and the rest of my species is like - at least no pleasant illusions. The voting population of the USA has never been composed of a bunch of backwoods Solons holding forth in some arboreal salon. Politics has always involved the lowest behaviors and very few very good men have ever been involved in it - so few you can actually recall their names.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (hLRSq)
274 -
Jack is almost always wrong, as he is here. No, there is not a greater rift between Democrats and Republicans than there are within the Republican Party.
At this point I think it's more accurate to refer to the mainstream of the Republican Party as leftist, in the same strain of leftism that elected people like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter.
That the Dem Party is now fully socialist (socialism has gone beyond fourth base, and has been giving the Dem Party Cleveland Steamers and Dirty Sanchezeseses) does not change the fact that the Republican Party is more in line with them than it is with its right wing.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 07, 2014 10:52 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 02:50 PM (4df7R)
::: swoon :::
Yo, Nearsider?
Any room in that bunk?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 07, 2014 10:53 AM (6T8Ay)
166 One thing that should be realized is that it is largely the case that American women have betrayed their men and their country. They, by far, are responsible for Obama and the other elected radicals in the Democrat party.
Posted by: SamIam at January 07, 2014 02:22 PM (FKt6g)
And I say again, those aren't women. They're vaginalogues. They've been told their whole lives that they're special and precious because they have a dick slot, and that their sole reason for being is so they can have sex and kill unborn babies without feeling the least bit guilty. They're a bunch of fucking worthless quim swabs.
But the Ettes are women. Women are smart.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at January 07, 2014 10:53 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 10:53 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at January 07, 2014 10:53 AM (DmNpO)
Yep, Sand Hill is where it still is. Harmony Church now houses the Armor School and some other training entities like RTB and Sniper School.
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at January 07, 2014 10:53 AM (L8r/r)
you know as the media is used to politically screw with us we should use our buying power , advertisers , anything legal at our disposal to screw them up.
The left have done this for years , we should do it .
Posted by: willow at January 07, 2014 10:54 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 10:54 AM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Beef at January 07, 2014 10:55 AM (XERws)
Posted by: joncelli at January 07, 2014 10:56 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: AMDG at January 07, 2014 02:49 PM (t7OO0)
Heh. Everything changes but nothing changes.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 10:56 AM (92FlR)
"I don't drink."
Don't worry. When the Hillary! 2016 juggernaut administers the coup de grace, you'll have another opportunity to crawl into the bottle like any reasonable man would.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 10:56 AM (4I3Uo)
ObamaCare
Immigration Reform (Amnesty)
Rampant spending
On ans On and On and On............ You really think these things are the will of the people?
In a word: yes. This evidenced by the fact that the politicians who've supported such things keep getting re-elected.
If you can't abide by that, feel free to join the ranks of irrelevancy with those in the Constitution Party who routinely get .2% of the vote.
Posted by: The Donner Party at January 07, 2014 10:56 AM (SY2Kh)
Hey what's crazier, chem trails or Obama saying paying people not to work creates jobs?
Posted by: drill_thrawl at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (/2ciC)
And your point is?
That I'm tired of hearing shit about how if my "principled conservative" ass doesn't "eat my big old shit sandwich one more time" and vote for the "lesser of two evils" then I am somehow worth less than the dogshit on the bottom of someon'e shoe.
If we elect the "same" people, we will get the "same" results.
Fuck voting for someone who does not represent me just to get R's in. I won't do it, and I don't think I'm alone.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (iurE1)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: rickl at January 07, 2014 10:57 AM (zoehZ)
Give a brother a break. I was at lunch.
Posted by: R. Kelly at January 07, 2014 10:58 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 07, 2014 10:58 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 07, 2014 10:58 AM (V3kRK)
Not at all. I have a CW3 buddy whose son just went through basic at Fort Sill. He was appalled. His kid asked him to send "some good TP, because I don't like this stuff they have here." CW3 friend told him to suck it up and stop being a pussy. Son asked his grandmother for the same, and she sent it. He got to keep and use it. He also had sent to him: burned CDs for the barracks boom box and cough drops...because they aren't allowed candy, but they can have cough drops. Did he write letters to request this stuff? Nope. Text messages and Facebook posts.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 07, 2014 10:58 AM (L8r/r)
Let.It.Burn.
Once Frank accepts this a the only true long term solution to the 52%, he'll feel much better.
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That's the depressing part. Used to be, you'd throw a big war and do a draft, then the parasites and stupids would die off in waves, quickly. It were Darwin at work, ripping off the band-aid. The fast and crazy Burn. Now its all slow-motion and full of misery.
Posted by: Bigby's Kung Fu Grip at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Frank Luntz at January 07, 2014 10:59 AM (aTXUx)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 07, 2014 02:53 PM (g1DWB)
I would prefer it if the Base of The Party would stop defeating themselves mentally before they even begin. I know a lot about losing and the one thing I do know is that you are guaranteed to lose when you defeat yourself - psych yourself out - before the contest even begins.
The Horde can go ahead and do this, but I won't and I simply do not recommend that as a tactic. You may or may not when if you are pysched up, but you will definitely lose if you are psyched out.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 11:00 AM (hLRSq)
But the Ettes are women. Women are smart.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 07, 2014 02:53 PM (4df7R)
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Damn, I love this blog.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:00 AM (92FlR)
OK, but you'll have no standing to complain when the country moves even further leftwards.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 07, 2014 11:01 AM (R8hU8)
If you can't abide by that, feel free to join the ranks of irrelevancy with those in the Constitution Party who routinely get .2% of the vote.
Already have......but there are more of us than you think.
GOP is in for a BIG surprise, I think come Nov.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (iurE1)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (jdOk/)
Let me put this in English.
"You may or may not win if you are pysched up, but you will definitely lose if you are psyched out."
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 11:02 AM (hLRSq)
Please tell me you're kidding. Say you're kidding."
The Army lost me when they gave out Stress Cards.... I took one from one of my new Private's, looked at it, and asked how many bullets it would stop.
... then proceeded to chew on it like Red Man...
Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (zL/eJ)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 07, 2014 11:04 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 07, 2014 03:01 PM (SY2Kh)
Really? According to who? You? Well - screw you.
The GOP is just as bad as the dems. Please tell me what conservative thing the GOP has accomplished? When has it cut spending? When has it abolished a federal program? When has it abolished an agency? When has it NOT increased the size, scope and expense of gov't when in a majority in either house?
The answer to all of those questions is never.
People who keep empowering the GOP to increase spending, and increase the size and scope of gov't are the problem. You think you are a real patriot because you vote GOP no matter what?
That just makes you an idiot who believes doing the same thing over and over will get different results. I'll complain my ass off when I refuse to vote for the GOP leftist party and the party continues to move leftward because idiots like you empowered the GOP to continue acting like leftists.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:05 AM (sOx93)
Go ahead and indulge in poor me all you wish.
I'll be over here doing my damndest to change the trajectory in my own small way.
I unabashedly love my country and will sacrifice my life to help save it if necessary.
Isn't ANYONE going to stop me from trying.
Laugh at me, deride me, don't give a fat fuck.
So you may join or watch, it'll be interesting either way.
Posted by: irongerampa at January 07, 2014 11:06 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:07 AM (92FlR)
How do we get out from under this shit without a war?
How do we get that no fault national divorce?
I don't know, and that's what scares me.
All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American.
I would not fight for her as currently constituted, and I damned sure wouldn't spill my son's blood for it. As someone upthread alluded....why should I die for a fellow American? There is a good chance they hate me anyway, so fuck them.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:07 AM (iurE1)
Sadly +100
Alien vs Predator
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 11:09 AM (QupBk)
I'll be over here doing my damndest to change the trajectory in my own small way.
I unabashedly love my country and will sacrifice my life to help save it if necessary.
Isn't ANYONE going to stop me from trying.
Laugh at me, deride me, don't give a fat fuck.
So you may join or watch, it'll be interesting either way.
Posted by: irongerampa at January 07, 2014 03:06 PM (SAMxH)
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I'm with ya, IG.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:09 AM (92FlR)
How do we get that no fault national divorce?
I don't know, and that's what scares me.
All I can tell you is that for the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American.
I would not fight for her as currently constituted, and I damned sure wouldn't spill my son's blood for it. As someone upthread alluded....why should I die for a fellow American? There is a good chance they hate me anyway, so fuck them.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 03:07 PM (iurE1)
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'm in favor of a left versus right shooting war in the U.S. to resolve these issues.
They want a completely different country than what we want. You cannot compromise between full on socialism and liberty. At some point, we have to fight.
The sad thing is that most of the kind of crap that the founders were against have already happened to us by our own gov't, being voted for by our own citizens.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:10 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: free shit trooper at January 07, 2014 11:10 AM (jdOk/)
I would not fight for her as currently constituted, and I damned sure wouldn't spill my son's blood for it. As someone upthread alluded....why should I die for a fellow American? There is a good chance they hate me anyway, so fuck them.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 03:07 PM (iurE1)
I'm not. I'm ashamed of some Americans - in and outside of government - but I am not nor have I ever been ashamed to be an American. I leave that sort of things to the Michelle Obama's of the world. You know, the sort of sourpusses that no matter how blessed they are in life are seething because everything is not perfect as they imagine it should be.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 11:10 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 07, 2014 11:11 AM (G5cc0)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 07, 2014 11:12 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 03:07 PM (iurE1)
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So you'll only fight for America if people like you? Kind of limiting yourself, aren't you?
When I have and will fight for America, I'll fight for the freedom of everyone to be whatever angel or asshole they CHOOSE to be.
Posted by: Soona at January 07, 2014 11:13 AM (92FlR)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 07, 2014 11:16 AM (OZmbA)
It'll involve viking helmets, lots of mysterious latin letters, flaming swords. And be as offensive as possible.
Posted by: tangonine at January 07, 2014 02:23 PM (x3YFz)
It must have a Paul Anka quote.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 07, 2014 11:18 AM (rXcBX)
NEVER EVER be ashamed of this country.
The shame falls directly on those who would harm her--no matter who they are.
What made this country the most exceptional on the planet still shines through the layer of filth currently deposited on it.
It will shine bright again,in time.
You and I may not live to see it, but the course will alter by the effort of those who will NOT desert her.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 07, 2014 11:18 AM (SAMxH)
because everything is not perfect as they imagine it should be.
I certainly hope you weren't trying to insinuate that I feel this way, because I have never said any such thing.
I don't expect "perfection" from my candidates (as evidence by being a straight ticket R voter since 1987. I DO expect "a difference".
If you can't offer that, then I will find a candidate who will, or not vote.
I have a great life and am very grateful for my blessings. That doesn't mean that I'm going to sit around and cheer while the GOP aids and abets the Commies in destroying America. You know...."America" the idea. The one that is (or soon will be) dead
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:21 AM (iurE1)
If only it was still so easy to draw up sides, don the blue or the grey, march smartly off into the countryside, and go at it until the ground was saturated with blood. No, we won't have it so easy next time like we did back in the 1860's. Next time it'll be neighbor vs neighbor, house to house, and street to street.
I'm not in favor of it. No sane man would be. But I think it's coming. I see no other exit off this long, miserable road into serfdom. The question will be whether the masses can possibly be rousted from their TV sets long enough to even realize they're being enslaved.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 11:22 AM (4I3Uo)
But of course the TP has been vilified by our friends in the press
Fuck that. The TP has been vilified by our friends in THE GOP.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:22 AM (iurE1)
I'll fight for the freedom of everyone to be whatever angel or asshole they CHOOSE to be.
Why?
They don't give a shit about you. In fact, they actively steal from you and yours to give to themselves. They would cheer if you ceased to exist.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:24 AM (iurE1)
The shame falls directly on those who would harm her--no matter who they are."
And just what, IG, is to happen to those people you describe? Will they ever face a reckoning?
I don't think so. Nope, they'll just jet off to the tropics with their account numbers and mistresses and have a good laugh.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 11:25 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 03:21 PM (iurE1)
Oh, no - not you. I didn't mean that. I was directing it to the Michelle Obama's, those who have been given so many blessings and it still isn't enough. Think about all of the trust fund OWSers wailing on about the 1% and they themselves are in the top 5%; think of the Hollywood actor rewarded beyond all sense and ability who cannot find one thing good to say; think of the tenured professor all set to haul down the system that has set him up so well.
Those are who I meant.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 11:25 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 03:22 PM (4I3Uo)
I don't agree with the "no sane man would be". Sometimes war is necessary. It doesn't make one insane to see that it is necessary and therefore be in favor of it.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:26 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:27 AM (iurE1)
Jeez, if you think the Republican Establishment is a problem, wait until you see what the Dems will do to ya. (Nah, man, I'll totally be brave against the Dems! It's the Establishment that's the TRUE enemy!)
Posted by: Shoot Me at January 07, 2014 11:27 AM (qiXMt)
It will shine bright again,in time.
I wish I could believe that Grandpa, but I don't.
This experiment is over.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:28 AM (iurE1)
Jeez, if you think the Republican Establishment is a problem, wait until you see what the Dems will do to ya.
At least then I'll know where the fucking is coming from and so will the rest of the country. If you "the GOP" will not do anything to stop it, then I say "Drop the hammer, full speed ahead".
But, lets let the Dems be in charge of it, so everyone will know just where the blame lies.
Posted by: FITP at January 07, 2014 11:31 AM (iurE1)
Posted by: rickl at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: whoever at January 07, 2014 11:34 AM (zu9Ee)
Joe ubi est
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 03:34 PM (QupBk)
Something like "The 'rons Get shirts; the 'ettes don't" but in Latin so that it is classy.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 07, 2014 11:35 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: ace at January 07, 2014 11:37 AM (/FnUH)
Oh, it's necessary. But a sane man can have some precognition of the condition of his soul after he's forced to put a bullet in his neighbor in order to protect himself, his family, and his way of life when the wheels finally fall off this thing. The greater political goals of it all won't mean quite the same thing to him then.
The sane thing would have been to have found the least expensive way to stop this descent into Hell long ago. But that's fantasy at this point.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 11:39 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: whoever at January 07, 2014 11:45 AM (zu9Ee)
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 07, 2014 11:46 AM (gxtMZ)
Posted by: Shoot Me at January 07, 2014 03:27 PM (qiXMt)
Not this idiot again. With his same old (and only) argument. "But the Demmmmmsssssss! What about the Demmmmsssssss!!"
See, it's perfectly great for the GOP to increase spending and gov't because - you know - there's an "r" next to the name. God forbid a "d" does it. You see, the logic old shit himself has here is that it is a "win" if a republican wins an election. Doesn't matter that the republican passes amnesty, increases spending, passes more gov't entitlements, etc. as long as there is an "r" it's a victory!! 11!
And, shit himself will tell us that he is a true patriot and we are traitors. You see, the mark of a true patriot (tm) is voting GOP no matter what. That, my friends, is a true patriot (tm) in old shit himself's books.
Idiot.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:50 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 03:39 PM (4I3Uo)
What? I don't believe my soul will be harmed by fighting for liberty. The greater political goal will mean more once fighting is actually underway and people are making real sacrifices to achieve said goal.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 07, 2014 11:53 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 07, 2014 11:54 AM (qtpPt)
Don't fool yourself. It won't be a rebellion. No manly standup fight. It will be resistance. Which translates to murder mostly, and sadly. I don't look forward to what is probably coming.
Posted by: toby928© at January 07, 2014 12:06 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: free shit trooper at January 07, 2014 12:12 PM (jdOk/)
Go Read some EB Sledge and get back to me. You can do all the right things for the right reasons in war, yet the horror will always follow you.
It's coming and it's necessary. I can't delude myself about that. But, please don't delude yourself about the life-altering nightmare it'll be.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 12:14 PM (4I3Uo)
We have taken the wrong path in the past and corrected, we've been down and come back. We are a strong people but have to realize that things happen and it is our job to correct our course.
Posted by: J at January 07, 2014 12:25 PM (+r8NE)
Posted by: Shoey at January 07, 2014 12:30 PM (jdOk/)
Posted by: Fred at January 07, 2014 12:34 PM (jlm/B)
Posted by: Socratease at January 07, 2014 01:02 PM (SZUi2)
In it, it's gotta have a black cat with his tail shaped into a '9', and an eagle tattoo on his biceps.
Posted by: Erowmero at January 07, 2014 01:07 PM (OONaw)
Posted by: Emily at January 07, 2014 01:49 PM (7Rn+/)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 07, 2014 04:16 PM (J1/lU)
At this point I think it's more accurate to refer to the mainstream of the Republican Party as leftist, in the same strain of leftism that elected people like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter."
Completely wrong. See, the problem with is not their ideology at ALL, its the lack of ideology, except for some nice american-apple-pie lets-all-get-along and be nice a compromise on whatever issue it is.
LEFTISM IS LIKE ACID AND THIS RINO-ISM IS LIKE COPPER. Different, but leftism melts that stuff away, defeats it and turns it into putty for its own use.
That's why you THINK part of the Republican party is leftist. Because the RINOs are such fools and tools for the left and they dont even know.
Those who ARE aware of the leftist takeover of the Democrats and the impact the left has had on our politics, for the most part awful and bad....
Posted by: Zombie Commie Walter Cronkite at January 07, 2014 06:19 PM (oNqbW)
Posted by: Slapnutz at January 07, 2014 06:40 PM (vVSAz)
Posted by: usa1 at January 07, 2014 06:52 PM (hF6V7)
It's coming and it's necessary. I can't delude myself about that. But, please don't delude yourself about the life-altering nightmare it'll be.
Posted by: Jaws at January 07, 2014 04:14 PM (4I3Uo)
Some people are effected differently than others. Fine. But this nonsense that everyone that was ever in combat throughout history is traumatized and has PTSD is just that, nonsense.
It is a fiction that has been created over the last 50 years. Just as the left portrays every combat veteran as a loose canon with PTSD, as every movie portrays vets that way, etc. It is a fiction.
Some small percentage of combat vets suffer this type of thing, not even close to a majority do. To claim otherwise is simply wrong.
It's a very modern and silly thing to make these claims. It just isn't true.
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 08, 2014 03:52 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 08, 2014 08:06 AM (5xmd7)
The Fortune 200 for which I labor had the inconceivable brilliance to have Frank facilitate one of our annual top 400 leadership venues several years ago. This outfit is run by the Finance gang so investing long coin on a personality is a rare thing indeed. While I recognized Frank from Fox News, that was about all I knew of him. He started off by dropping a George W. Bush joke, an insulting joke. "W" was President at the time. Believe me, and I'm very proud of it, the joke plummeted into the ether like a boulder into a very large black hole. In a ballroom holding over 400 people, you could have heard a pin drop. Not a soul in the room smiled. Great company. Anyway, to this day, I don't know why Frank did that. He redeemed himself quickly and lead a lively and productive forum afterwards. But, it was a mysterious way to begin a leadership venue in a deep red flyover state.
Posted by: Mazzuchelli at January 08, 2014 09:32 AM (168MX)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 07, 2014 03:01 PM (SY2Kh)
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I voted for Romney. And here we are - leftward. And I still have no standing.
If he'd have won, we'd still be going leftward, just slower. Romney's victory would only have been an emotional, psychological blow to the left more that an actual, political blow. The RINO's would have been reaching across the aisle the next day. You know this to be true. Amnesty, anyone?
Yet you continually and blatantly ignore the reality that voting for current Republicans ALSO moves the country leftwards. Which is why people have quit voting for them. This is not hard to understand, but you keep deliberate dismissing it - you're stuck on Stage One Thinking - "we must vote R no matter what, or else the D's will win!" Sad, sad.
It ain't R v. D. That's labels. It's limited govt. v. big govt.. And Repubs are not limited govt.
Posted by: Saltydonnie at January 08, 2014 10:40 AM (i6shs)
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