March 19, 2014

Huh: Study Questions Long-Assumed Link Between Saturated Fat and Heart Disease
— Ace

The problem with people ain't so much ignorance as it is knowin' thing that just ain't so.

[N]ew research, published on Monday in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, did not find that people who ate higher levels of saturated fat had more heart disease than those who ate less. Nor did it find less disease in those eating higher amounts of unsaturated fat, including monounsaturated fat like olive oil or polyunsaturated fat like corn oil.

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But Dr. Frank Hu, a professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health, said the findings should not be taken as “a green light” to eat more steak, butter and other foods rich in saturated fat. He said that looking at individual fats and other nutrient groups in isolation could be misleading, because when people cut down on fats they tend to eat more bread, cold cereal and other refined carbohydrates that can also be bad for cardiovascular health.

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He said people should try to eat foods that are typical of the Mediterranean diet, like nuts, fish, avocado, high-fiber grains and olive oil. A large clinical trial last year, which was not included in the current analysis, found that a Mediterranean diet with more nuts and extra virgin olive oil reduced heart attacks and strokes when compared with a lower fat diet with more starches.

Alice H. Lichtenstein, a nutritional biochemist at Tufts University, agreed that “it would be unfortunate if these results were interpreted to suggest that people can go back to eating butter and cheese with abandon,” citing evidence that replacing saturated fat with foods that are high in polyunsaturated fats – instead of simply eating more carbohydrates – reduces cardiovascular risk.

Their study has concluded there is no link between fat intake and heart disease, but they say they don't want you to think that eating fat's okay, because, you know, the risk of heart disease and all.

Meanwhile, a doctor claims that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) simply doesn't exist.

He believes that a large group of symptoms is just being labeled as "ADHD" because no one has any real idea what causes vague symptoms like a lack of focus. He also says that some real problems are being misdiagnosed as ADHD just because it's such an easy (false) diagnosis to make:

ADHD makes a great excuse,” Saul notes. “The diagnosis can be an easy-to-reach-for crutch. Moreover, there’s an attractive element to an ADHD diagnosis, especially in adults — it can be exciting to think of oneself as involved in many things at once, rather than stuck in a boring rut.”

In private practice, Saul found himself wondering, what other problems do these patients have besides being easily distracted? One girl he treated, it turned out, was being disruptive in class because she couldnÂ’t see the blackboard. Correct diagnois: myopia. She needed glasses, not drugs.

A 36-year-old man who complained about his addiction to online games and guessed he had ADHD, it turned out, was drinking too much coffee and sleeping only four to five hours a night. Correct diagnosis: sleep deprivation. He needed blackout shades, a white-noise machine and a program that shut all his devices off at midnight.

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One by one, nearly all of SaulÂ’s patients turned out to have some disease other than ADHD, such as TouretteÂ’s, OCD, fragile X syndrome (a genetic mutation linked to mental retardation), autism, fetal alcohol syndrome, learning disabilities or such familiar conditions as substance abuse, poor hearing or even giftedness. A boy who was disruptive and inattentive in math class (but no other) was, simply, bored by the material and needed to be advanced a grade to regain his concentration.


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1 It doesn't save you from slipping on ice either!

Posted by: dr atkins at March 19, 2014 12:29 PM (hn5v5)

2 In my many years on this Earth, I have learned to trust no experts.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 12:30 PM (8ZskC)

3 Their study has concluded there is no link between fat intake and heart disease, but they say they don't want you to think that eating fat's okay, because, you know, the risk of heart disease and all. Meanwhile, a doctor claims that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) simply doesn't exist. Bacon bitc, ooh look, squirrel!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:30 PM (GjYxB)

4 I long ago gave up listening to the scolds.  Eat what you want in moderation.

Posted by: Turnip Defense League [/i] at March 19, 2014 12:30 PM (O7Q1u)

5 When I stay low carb *all* my blood numbers are in the optimal range.  And that's when I'm eating butter and ribeyes and peanuts - things with a lot of fat.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 19, 2014 12:30 PM (WvXvd)

6 The food pyramid was pushed by none other that failed B & B owner George McGovern.

Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 12:31 PM (Ua6T/)

7 we have had so many    food-related    studies coming out lately   that are either  contradictory of each other or else    contradictory of  something that was published   last year, two years, or ten years ago, that I've given up paying attention to them.   I'm going to eat what I like   in moderation.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 19, 2014 12:31 PM (4df7R)

8 Eggs, good, bad, then good again. I don't know how many times coffee has changed sides.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 12:31 PM (4+AaH)

9 He said people should try to eat foods that are typical of the Mediterranean diet, like nuts, fish, avocado, high-fiber grains and olive oil.


Pizza is a Mediterranean diet food, isn't it?  If so, I'm all in.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 12:31 PM (8ZskC)

10 Big pharma hardest hit.

Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 12:31 PM (y7PFk)

11 /Godzilla roar!

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (KRTiE)

12 It turns out salt isn't bad for you either and salt melts ice!

Posted by: dr atkins at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (hn5v5)

13 Ahh that new thread smell

Posted by: NativeNH at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (DzZzT)

14 hahaha @ Dr. Hu!

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (KRTiE)

15 Just do as I say. Because I say so.

Posted by: Moochelle at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (6Z9cJ)

16 I like my butter and cheese with a big scoop of abandon.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (8ZskC)

17 I have been hearing this Mediterranean diet thing for 20+ years. Mediterraneans live a low stress life. Lose the stress, eat what you like.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 12:32 PM (4+AaH)

18 A study was wrong?  Again?  Color me shocked.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 12:33 PM (GrtrJ)

19 Dr. Frank Hu...Harvard... said the findings should not be taken as “a green light”...looking at individual fats and other nutrient groups in isolation could be misleading It wasn't 'misleading' before, though, was it? Fuck you, Hu. Idiot.

Posted by: t-bird at March 19, 2014 12:33 PM (FcR7P)

20 The paleo diet people have been saying this for years. A good reminder never to trust some expert study. The only one I have ever believed was the Texas A&M study that concluded not bagging grass clippings saves you time when mowing.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:33 PM (gmeXX)

21 Not Huh. HU!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (olDqf)

22 New study says old study is crap.

Posted by: Studying like a Boss at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (QM5S2)

23 Honestly nutritional science seems about like climate science; they may understand a few specific mechanisms well, but the big picture of how all the myriad mechanisms integrate together to create the whole system is apparently all speculation.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (rAMJ8)

24 Soo ... how many times and in how many ways has the "China study" been debunked? 

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (P7Wsr)

25 This is why science research is crap -- because of scientists...and politics, but mostly scientists.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (KRTiE)

26 Hu's on first.

Posted by: The International Diet Symposium at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (8ZskC)

27 I do like the whole, "well yeah, the study shows no link...but don't pay attention to it anyway" panic cry of the academia.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (GrtrJ)

28 Mediterraneans live a low stress life. Lose the stress, eat what you like. Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 04:32 PM (4+AaH) This. Cortisol is triggered by stress, and cortisol then causes a cascade reaction that causes weight to be retained. Less stressÂ….eat what you like. Within reason. Moron lifestyle hardest hit.

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at March 19, 2014 12:34 PM (yz6yg)

29 I eat eggs and butter and heavy cream and steaks and bacon bacon bacon with lots of veg.  I do not eat bread or potatoes or rice or pasta or, unfortunately, fruit.  I feel fine. 

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 19, 2014 12:35 PM (6H6o8)

30 26 Hu's on first. Posted by: The International Diet Symposium at March 19, 2014 04:34 PM (8ZskC) NaturallyÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:35 PM (olDqf)

31 /Godzilla Godzirra roar! FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:35 PM (GjYxB)

32 The science is settled.

Posted by: Al Gore at March 19, 2014 12:35 PM (Aif/5)

33 No, Wut's on first, Hu's on second

Posted by: CSMBigBird at March 19, 2014 12:35 PM (jsWA8)

34 31 /Godzilla Godzirra roar! FIFY. Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 04:35 PM (GjYxB) Godzirra loal?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:36 PM (olDqf)

35 So, bad and lazy science used to justify bad and lazy decision making. I'm shocked, shocked...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 12:36 PM (naUcP)

36 @29 How you doin'?

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 12:36 PM (4+AaH)

37 I find it hard to believe that there is any misdiagnosis in the psychiatric field, particularly when drug sales are on the line.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (gmeXX)

38 It turns out salt isn't bad for you either and salt melts ice! Turns out it's a topping & a floor wax!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (GjYxB)

39 "Meanwhile, a doctor claims that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) simply doesn't exist. I actually think he's juicing the headline and means it exists, but only in a very small number of people, and we're needlessly medicating a lot of kids just for being kids." With kids at least I'd bet 99% of it could be attributed to a collapse of discipline in school along with young boys just feeling caged in and bored like livestock. I don't know about y'all, but for me K-12 was incredibly, incredibly boring. The only relief was goofing off or finding some mildly destructive way to have fun.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (rAMJ8)

40 There are exceptions, but in my observations most of the kids diagnosed with "ADHD" would be better described as having PDDD- "Parental Discipline Deficiency Disorder".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (SY2Kh)

41 I do not eat bread or potatoes or rice or pasta or, unfortunately, fruit. I feel fine.

More importantly, how do you look?

Posted by: The Moron Horde at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (8ZskC)

42 Feed those antifat cocksuckers to Dr Hu's pigs.

Posted by: al swearengen at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (hn5v5)

43 32 The science is settled.

Posted by: Al Gore at March 19, 2014 04:35 PM (Aif/5)

----

Ummm.....This.

Posted by: WisRich at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (hdpay)

44 Sleeper was prescient, not comedy.

Posted by: steve walsh at March 19, 2014 12:37 PM (9TS9J)

45 I straight up believe the ADHD thing. (Next mostly-fake diagnosis: autism.) My mom was a kindergarten teacher, and the kids whose mothers were most loudly claiming the kid had ADHD were the ones with lunchboxes full of cans of soda, candy, and Hostess cakes, no regular bedtimes, whose parents didn't believe in spanking, and who played video games all day.

Somehow, kids who got 8 or 10 hours of sleep, had relatively healthy lunches, exercised, and had parents who taught them manners had pretty good behavior overall.

Posted by: sunny-dee at March 19, 2014 12:38 PM (bxdmt)

46 The unhealthiest thing of all is listening to experts. That shit'll get you killed.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 12:38 PM (VndSC)

47 Couldn't read the entire post..., I found myself distracted..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 19, 2014 12:38 PM (aDwsi)

48 My kids' pediatrician refused to diagnose any child with ADHD. She told me normally, parents were sent in by teachers who interpreted normal childhood behaviors as a pathology to get kids drugged up and quiet during class time.

Posted by: RS at March 19, 2014 12:38 PM (YAGV/)

49

I would be lacking focus if I had teachers that were either boring scolds, Progtard drones, pants-wetters,  or perverts.

Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at March 19, 2014 12:38 PM (3ZtZW)

50 This whole ADHD thing is just... Squirrel! /runs off

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:38 PM (x3YFz)

51 Kid behavior is usually linked to parenting. Where do I pick up my check for that insight?

Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (y7PFk)

52 My mother was a school teacher. She told me she had kids that the mother would get diagnosed as ADHD so they could take the Ritalin as a diet drug.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (4+AaH)

53 Without enough Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) kids out there, there just won't be enough easy access to Methylphenidate (Ritalin) for those folks about to take their SATs.

Posted by: Jimi Hendrix at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (e8kgV)

54 Can someone Long Story Short this poat for me?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (KRTiE)

55 >>>This. Cortisol is triggered by stress, and cortisol then causes a cascade reaction that causes weight to be retained. ... Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (/FnUH)

56 Salt's fine unless you already have severe hypertension.

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (hFL/3)

57 Yep, always knew it Pro-tip: lard + butter + bacon grease = flavor

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (3uIOB)

58 I mix it up quite a bit in what I eat and I've never found it necessary to take any vitamins. My cholesterol is high, but that is due to poor exercise habits and a fondness for beer. Not due to diet. I suppose you could say that beer is part of my diet, but then I'd just stick my tongue out at you.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (wNF3N)

59 With kids at least I'd bet 99% of it could be attributed to a collapse of discipline in school along with young boys just feeling caged in and bored like livestock. I don't know about y'all, but for me K-12 was incredibly, incredibly boring. The only relief was goofing off or finding some mildly destructive way to have fun. ---- A lot of this is common sense. Young boys (and girls) have a lot of energy that they need to burn off. They do not want to sit at a desk for 4-6 hours. There is a direct correlation with the lack of recess time and ADD diagnosis. But more recess just means more bullying opportunities, more injuries and lawsuits, and less drug sales.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:39 PM (gmeXX)

60

Dr. F. Hu...?

 Insert joke here.

 

Posted by: wheatie at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (Xs26g)

61 something we've been saying forever.

Posted by: oejay44cday at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (LEEQ+)

62 I do not eat bread, pasta, sugar, fruit, beer, or rice. Feel fine, look fine (according to wifey), and the blood work numbers tell a very good story.

Posted by: steve walsh at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (9TS9J)

63
I thought for sure that headline was about Mooch's fat taxpayer subsidized trip to China.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (0Kobm)

64 Somehow, kids who got 8 or 10 hours of sleep, had relatively healthy lunches, exercised, and had parents who taught them manners had pretty good behavior overall.


It's always the same story.  They're just fine until one day they chew a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (8ZskC)

65 He believes that a large group of symptoms is just being labeled as "ADHD" because no one has any real idea what causes vague symptoms like a lack of focus.


...but big money for Special Ed services and all!

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (N3Y73)

66

"Their study has concluded there is no link between fat intake and heart disease, but they say they don't want you to think that eating fat's okay, because, you know, the risk of heart disease and all."

***

Basically! Once you realize that they will continue to promote advice that not only has been proven wrong scientifically but annecdotally led to a huge increase in obesity in our country, well you can see why an entire subset of the populace is tuning this shit out entirely.

Posted by: Lea at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (lIU4e)

67
The food pyramid was pushed by none other that failed B & B owner George McGovern.

Posted by: fluffy at March 19, 2014 04:31 PM (Ua6T/)











I'd like to point out that pyramids are generally tombs.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (TIIx5)

68 A majority of all published medical research is false. This has been known for a decade now. Only a large body of research is sufficient to have moderate confidence a finding is true. Especially something as variable as human health with so many confounding factors. Why Most Published Research Findings Are False John P. A. Ioannidis Citation: Ioannidis JPA (2005) Why Most Published Research Findings Are False. PLoS Med 2( : e124. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124 Published: August 30, 2005 Summary There is increasing concern that most current published research findings are false. The probability that a research claim is true may depend on study power and bias, the number of other studies on the same question, and, importantly, the ratio of true to no relationships among the relationships probed in each scientific field. In this framework, a research finding is less likely to be true when the studies conducted in a field are smaller; when effect sizes are smaller; when there is a greater number and lesser preselection of tested relationships; where there is greater flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes; when there is greater financial and other interest and prejudice; and when more teams are involved in a scientific field in chase of statistical significance. Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a research claim to be false than true. Moreover, for many current scientific fields, claimed research findings may often be simply accurate measures of the prevailing bias. In this essay, I discuss the implications of these problems for the conduct and interpretation of research.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif)

69 55 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck. Posted by: ace at March 19, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH) First, send me $5000 US via Western Union to cover all modalities, then I send you happenstance and luck. Remain blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (olDqf)

70 Interesting how many children, especially boys, have been diagnosed with ADHD. It's a good thing that public schools are cutting back on so many forms of physical activity at recess.

Posted by: Furious George at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (yFb77)

71 She told me she had kids that the mother would get diagnosed as ADHD so they could take the Ritalin as a diet drug.

The SSDI check is nice, too.

Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (ZKzrr)

72 Eat all things in moderation and you will be fine....studies are usually skewered to whom funds the study so they can use the results to control your behavior in what you buy and eat. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.....

Posted by: IrishEd at March 19, 2014 12:40 PM (D0NZx)

73 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life?

I mean, apart from happenstance and luck.

Posted by: ace at March 19, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH)



First, get 10 million dollars.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (8ZskC)

74 they make cortisol blockers, or so they say

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (KRTiE)

75 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck. <<< Stop posting things on internet websites... or reading them.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (VndSC)

76 55. Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck. Easy Just don't sweat the small shit

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (3uIOB)

77 "The paleo diet people have been saying this for years." The paleo diet advocates correctly identify that the traditional establishment view on nutrition is unfounded speculation and nonsense, but then proceed to try and establish their own version of a crazy diet founded mostly on speculation. There was no "paleo diet"; the entire thing is based on naive oversimplifications of how people actually lived back then, and you can find good review articles by anthropologists saying as much.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (rAMJ8)

78 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck. Posted by: ace at March 19, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH) Ahhh. Young padawan. One must first not care for fecal matter. Ambivalence to the rescue!

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (x3YFz)

79 My brother went on a diet of salads for lunch and steak for dinner, with almost no vegetables and absolutely no bread.

He lost 30 pounds in 4 months

Posted by: Oscar Wilde at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (e8kgV)

80 Weed helps with stress.

Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (y7PFk)

81 67 I'd like to point out that pyramids are generally tombs. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2014 04:40 PM (TIIx5) And schemes, but once you've got one, right?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (olDqf)

82 And another line of crap: Obama has a brain.

Posted by: Killerdog at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (EYp+q)

83 I should have been diagnosed with ADHD in school. Or boredom. Late 60's, early 70's. And I got my ass blistered regularly at home. School sucked. Recess ruled.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (GjYxB)

84 Where do I go for an apology, for years of turning down nummy fatty treats?

Posted by: A Good Man in a Bad Trade at March 19, 2014 12:41 PM (PQQHz)

85 73 First, get 10 million dollars. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 04:41 PM (8ZskC) Money doesn't buy happiness; just a more comfortable form of misery. Or so I'm told.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (olDqf)

86 Easy way to reduce stress. Lower expectations. Wait, I think that's how we get to socialism. Nevermind!

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (hFL/3)

87 I just eat stuff that's too slow to get away. So far, so good.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (x3YFz)

88

He believes that a large group of symptoms is just being labeled as "ADHD" because no one has any real idea what causes vague symptoms like a lack of focus. He also says that some real problems are being misdiagnosed as ADHD just because it's such an easy (false) diagnosis to make:

 

 

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Same thing could be said about Bipolarism.  Way over-diagnosed.

 

Sometimes I think,  knowing that the vast majority of the mental health community are hardcore lefties, that some of these over-diagnosed mental diseases are just an excuse to apply chemical shackles.

 

Remember.  A mellow populace is a controlable populace.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (sx5Tc)

89 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? ------- I would amend it to: eat what you like and buy a punching bag. Beat the shit out of the punching bag 3 or 4 times a weeks for 15 minutes. Helps with weight and with stress.

Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (Aif/5)

90 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck --- (A) its not stress, its chronic stress. Humans evolved under stressful conditions, and faced certain life/death (i.e., stress) often. That is good for us. (B) you don't. You adapt and learn which stress is harmful and can be avoided and which can't. (C) I do not follow my own advice on B

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (gmeXX)

91 If "science" is going to make pronouncements about things with the metaphysical certainty of a mathematical proof, they really ought to be punished in some way when they're wrong.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (xSegX)

92

So if the actual scientists are still trying to figure out what parts of a diet are good, this means the First Lady gets to design school lunches.

 

Because hey - her guess is as good as anyone's.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (hLRSq)

93 Money doesn't buy happiness; just a more comfortable form of misery.

Or so I'm told.


I'll volunteer for a double-blind study.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at March 19, 2014 12:42 PM (8ZskC)

94 Salt's fine unless you already have severe hypertension.
Yeah. Riiiight.

Posted by: Lot's wife at March 19, 2014 12:43 PM (hn5v5)

95 There was no "paleo diet"; the entire thing is based on naive oversimplifications of how people actually lived back then, and you can find good review articles by anthropologists saying as much. Berries, roots, tree bark soup. Occassional wooly mammoth steaks.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:43 PM (GjYxB)

96 Almost all of the current "myths" surrounding heart disease originated from the "nurse study" conducted way back in the 40s.


Following my heart attack I read everything I could find regarding the subject, both old and new books.  What I found of the major causes was this listed in order of importance.


Ancestry - by far the largest indicator.  If your family has a history of heart disease you are a prime candidate.


Unhealthy eating/exercise habits - eating a lot and getting little or no exercise.


Smoking


There are others that some say like those on salt and eating fatty foods, but if they have any impact at all, it is minor.


On the first item if your family has a history of heart disease one needs to avoid the next two items like the plague.  One also needs to get regular checkups for heart disease building up.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 19, 2014 12:43 PM (T2V/1)

97 Can someone Long Story Short this poat for me?

Everything in moderation is a-ok.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 12:43 PM (0Kobm)

98 94 Salt's fine unless you already have severe hypertension. Yeah. Riiiight. Posted by: Lot's wife at March 19, 2014 04:43 PM (hn5v5 "Don't look, Ethel!!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:43 PM (olDqf)

99 79 My brother went on a diet of salads for lunch and steak for dinner, with almost no vegetables and absolutely no bread.

He lost 30 pounds in 4 months

Posted by: Oscar Wilde at March 19, 2014 04:41 PM (e8kgV)


Same result just getting calories from alcohol..but wait where the fuck am I and who are you people?

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (N3Y73)

100 Neither of those stories surprises me. I've been reading more and more often lately that high-fat, low-carb diets are healthier.

Posted by: rickl at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (zoehZ)

101 97 Can someone Long Story Short this poat for me? Everything in moderation is a-ok. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 04:43 PM (0Kobm) Except for socialism, rape and the GOP.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (olDqf)

102 Retweeted by Jim Hoft Uncle Si ‏@Siduckdynasty So sad America ranks 25th in the world in math. At least we're still in the Top 10 though!

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (ZPrif)

103 Everything in moderation is a-ok.


Ditto

Posted by: Aristotle at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (8ZskC)

104 DDT was bad for birds too, they said. It was a bad-ass bitch for mosquitoes with malaria.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (VndSC)

105 I do not eat bread, pasta, sugar, fruit, beer, or rice.

Yeah, I'd rather die.


A mellow populace is a controlable populace.

Duuuuuude!  *toke*

Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (ZKzrr)

106 I'd like to point out that pyramids are generally tombs.

Hmmmm...I never thought of it that way.
But I will now.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (nsQhi)

107 Meanwhile, a doctor claims that Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD) simply doesn't exist.



I have been saying that for years.  It is an excuse to drug over active boys in school so they can avoid disciplinary actions.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 19, 2014 12:44 PM (T2V/1)

108 As someone who has kids with ADD (girls, who routinely don't get diagnosed because it manifests itself in different ways), I'd like to say a hearty "FU" to the esteemed doctor. The difference between our kids on medication and off is profound - and they are the first ones who will tell you that. Yes, some kids don't have it; but you are doing a huge disservice when you dismiss it as some quack diagnosis. Now, off to eat some bacon.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (PZ6/M)

109 Money doesn't buy happiness; just a more comfortable form of misery. Or so I'm told. I'd rather be unhappy in a Ferrari than on a moped.....

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (GjYxB)

110 Yeah, and stress causes ulcers, not bacteria.

Posted by: All Doctors prior to Barry Marshall at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (bb5+k)

111 More importantly, how do you look?

Posted by: The Moron Horde at March 19, 2014 04:37 PM (8ZskC) [\i]


After you've had a few drinks, I look pretty damned good.

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (6H6o8)

112

"With kids at least I'd bet 99% of it could be attributed to a collapse of discipline in school along with young boys just feeling caged in and bored like livestock. I don't know about y'all, but for me K-12 was incredibly, incredibly boring. The only relief was goofing off or finding some mildly destructive way to have fun."

***

My little nephew is having trouble paying attention in school right now and my mom thinks she and my brother have ADHD so she is convinced he has it but I'm like it's called 'HES FIVE' mom! He needs recess and something that doesnt' bore him. The teachers will think he's not paying attention and ask him a question and he always knows the answer. Just leave him alone. Sheesh.

Posted by: Lea at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (lIU4e)

113 105 A mellow populace is a controlable populace. Duuuuuude! *toke* Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 04:44 PM (ZKzrr) Opium is the opium of the masses. And now, THC.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (olDqf)

114 29 I eat eggs and butter and heavy cream and steaks and bacon bacon bacon with lots of veg. I do not eat bread or potatoes or rice or pasta or, unfortunately, fruit. I feel fine. Posted by: kathysaysso at March 19, 2014 04:35 PM (6H6o This, pretty much. I follow the paleo/primal thing. I do include heavy cream and grass fed butter (Kerrygold is the bomb), but seriously limit the cheese because I tend to have allergies flare up when I eat it. I do include a little bit of fruit, usually a green apple with raw almond butter for a treat, or dates finely chopped into almost a paste and rolled in unsweetened coconut. So good. Anyway, I lost weight doing this and my doc, who owns a weight loss clinic as a side business and pushes those vitamin shots plus the under 1000 calorie diet very hard was angry when he found out what I did to lose weight. Insisted my heart would be on the verge of explosion. When my numbers all came back well within the healthy range on everything he was quite stunned.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (qFpRI)

115 For dinner tonight, then I'll have some . . .

. . . what's that outside the window???

Posted by: Former ADHD Sufferer at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (BDU/a)

Posted by: kathysaysso at March 19, 2014 12:45 PM (6H6o8)

117 I have always been extremely suspicious of ADHD. To me, it's mostly an excuse for parents and teachers not to do the hard work of training kids to behave properly.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (r+7wo)

118 Money can't but love, but it can't buy something that looks and acts just like it....I've heard.

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (N3Y73)

119 There are others that some say like those on salt and eating fatty foods, but if they have any impact at all, it is minor. On the first item if your family has a history of heart disease one needs to avoid the next two items like the plague. One also needs to get regular checkups for heart disease building up. Posted by: Vic at March 19, 2014 04:43 PM (T2V/1) My parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts: Can't kill 'em. Will not die. Everyone in my family outlives their usefulness by about 20 years (like 80's/90's). No cancer. No heart disease. They eat like crap, smoke, drink. Just won't die.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (x3YFz)

120 I think the paleo diet people are mostly right. There are some who are more rigid than others, but the basic gist of it is eat meat, veggies, fruit on occasion, and minimize sugar and grains (which are fairly new to human eating). That's not bad advice.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (gmeXX)

121 ADHD is an excuse to make little boys act like little girls.

Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (VndSC)

122 buy 'love'...gees. never mind. now its ruined.

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (N3Y73)

123 And the Eco-Nazis want to totally reorganize modern society based off some computer simulations of climate change. They show zero humility. Over and over again it is shown that the majority of published scientific research is actually false. But they say, no, on this one let's reorder trillions in the energy industry. We're like, super confident about this climate stuff.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 12:46 PM (ZPrif)

124 genetics, genetics, genetics, some people can smoke six packs a day and live forever, some people will get cancer and have their limps fall off because of diabetes. 

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 19, 2014 12:47 PM (WdbF7)

125 ADHD is very real, but very much overdiagnosed.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 12:47 PM (oMKp3)

126 Long story short?


Everything that study just said is bullshit.

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 12:47 PM (GrtrJ)

127 I do like the whole, "well yeah, the study shows no link...but don't pay attention to it anyway" panic cry of the academia. Posted by: DangerGirl ---------------------- It's settled science, so just shut up.

Posted by: Global Warmonger at March 19, 2014 12:47 PM (aDwsi)

128 Remember this; Butter is bad for you heart, use margarine.

Then years later...

Oops. Margarine is worse than butter. In fact it's like putting sludge in your veins and guess what- butter is naturally processed by you body when used in reasonable amount.

That garbage left this part of the scientific community dead to me.

My motto is- everything in moderation. If you notice, people who follow that largely live the longest...

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 12:47 PM (GGCsk)

129
The only relief was goofing off or finding some mildly destructive way to have fun.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 04:37 PM (rAMJ









"Mildly" destructive?

Fuckin' RINO.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 19, 2014 12:47 PM (TIIx5)

130 I'd like to say a hearty "FU" to the esteemed doctor. ---- See, you are taking this to personal. He didn't say it was a sham. He simply said it was overly and many times improperly diagnosed. You interpret that as meaning that he was directing right at you.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (gmeXX)

131 My friends and family all say I live a "stress free" life, I say I just don't bitch about my life, so how would they know? Keep a sense of humor, steer clear of skeevy people, don't get in financial grief or legal trouble and that's about all anyone can do.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (ZshNr)

132 Bonhomme, From last thread, I wrote Honestly? In response to what you wrote about returning British soldiers not being allowed to carry a pointy knife. I'm using iPad & can't cut & paste with it. I am sorry if I made you think you did something.

Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (gjOCp)

133 104 DDT was bad for birds too, they said. It was a bad-ass bitch for mosquitoes with malaria. Posted by: Roy at March 19, 2014 04:44 PM (VndSC) Planned Parenthood and the EPA - better Klansman through chemistryÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (olDqf)

134 Settled science isn't.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (ZPrif)

135 118 Money can't but (buy) love, but it can't (can) buy something that looks and acts just like it....I've heard.

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 04:46 PM (N3Y73) 


I have ADHD...don't judge me.


Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (N3Y73)

136 I wish my limp would fall off.

Posted by: hopalong cassidy at March 19, 2014 12:48 PM (6H6o8)

137 "...because no one has any real idea what causes vague symptoms like a lack of focus."

The determinant is low IQ. I should know.

Posted by: Joe Bidenopolous at March 19, 2014 12:49 PM (1CroS)

138
ADD and ADHD drugs are mostly given to white kids because pharmacies are racists.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 19, 2014 12:49 PM (0Kobm)

139 @55 ace, it isn't just happenstance and luck, though they help. But as they say, chance favors the prepared. I say that people who live in the Med regio live stress free lives, at least in comparison with the US. I lived in Greece and Italy, I have seen it. Italian food and Greek food would not be considered health food by any stretch in the US, and yet, they say do a Mediterranean diet. Exercise helps on the stress front. Yes, it is good to burn energy, but it helps you get your stress out, too. Sometimes it just takes a major internal change to address stress. Stress isn't about the things that happen, it is about how you react to them. You may not want to hear this or believe it, but faith in God helps on the stress reduction. I had an intensive course in dealing with stress going through West Point, not something everyone gets. But dealing with stressful situations helps you deal with stress, the same way exercise can build muscles. Even with that under my belt, I used to let a lot of things stress me that I no longer do. Maybe I am older now and full of less piss and vinegar, but things that used to really spin me up, I can let go of. There are still things there, there are still things that are stressors, but I don't let them affect me the same way I used to. I can't give you a specific checklist, but what I have written gives you a flavor.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 12:49 PM (4+AaH)

140 I have been saying that for years. It is an excuse to drug over active boys in school so they can avoid disciplinary actions having to acknowledge boys and girls have different "normals". Questions?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 19, 2014 12:49 PM (naUcP)

141 I never understood the demonizing of pasta and bread when people in Italy consume incredible quantities of it, but are much slimmer than Americans on average. When I visited my wife's family in N. Italy the amount of bread consumed was staggering. According to the carb demonizers they should have all been dead 100 years ago, yet Italy remains. For every X food demonized, you can find a country that eats tons of X yet is slimmer than Americans on average. The takeaway point is it's not what you eat, it's just a matter of not eating like a pig while living a sedentary life.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 12:49 PM (rAMJ8)

142 I have to avoid soy in my diet. To do that I have to eat mostly whole foods. Soy is in everything else it seems.

Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 12:50 PM (y7PFk)

143 124 genetics, genetics, genetics, some people can smoke six packs a day and live forever, some people will get cancer and have their limps fall off because of diabetes. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 19, 2014 04:47 PM (WdbF7) Yup. As I approach my 46th trip around the sun, I've seen what appear to be perfectly healthy people get a bad case of the dead. Quicklike. You ask a few questions and lo and behold... yup, history of this cancer, that heart disease. People can mitigate the risk if they're paying attention. But, hell, no one makes it out of here alive anyway.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:50 PM (x3YFz)

144 I'm told that anybody who eats tomatoes is going to die, but I'm a "denier."

Posted by: Oliver Stone at March 19, 2014 12:50 PM (e8kgV)

145 Yep. Eat pure. It's that simple. Don't overeat, and get some normal exercise. If people do not understand what "processed food" is just look at the label.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Woohoo ManU 2-0!! at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (IXrOn)

146 I think a lot of the ADHD craze has to do with trying to treat little boys like little girls. There are undoubtedly other factors at work. One that cannot be discounted is the regular exposure of toddlers, pre-schoolers, and young elementary-school children to electronic media of a certain kind. I'm talking about the flashing lights and rapid change of scenes so common in children's programming today. Read the now classic Endangered Minds by Jane Healy, who documents how the Sesame Street style of programming damages the neural development of focus and attention span.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (dfYL9)

147 Problem with doing paleo or Atkins for me is I really don't like meat much.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (r+7wo)

148 wasn't olive oil bad for you at one point...now good stuff?

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (N3Y73)

149 My motto is- everything in moderation. If you notice, people who follow that largely live the longest... Except for cooter & boobehs. Overindulge. Only way you die early is if the Mrs. or her husband catches you.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (GjYxB)

150 ADHD in kids and depression in adults should be the last alternatives in differential diagnosis, after physical ailments have been ruled out. Because once you medicate the symptom its harder to find the underlying cause.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (GSIDW)

151 Soy is in everything else it seems.

I need to start making my own salad dressings.  They're all nothing but soy oil and modified food starch.

Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 12:51 PM (ZKzrr)

152 A fap a dayÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (olDqf)

153

"but then proceed to try and establish their own version of a crazy diet founded mostly on speculation."

****

The Paleo diet mostly involves eating real food: meat, fruit, and vegetables, with natural fats. I don't know how that kind of diet has ever gotten labeled as 'crazy'.

Posted by: Lea at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (lIU4e)

154 Med diet?  yeah, 'cause dem paisans aint got no heart problems, knowhatimsayin?

Posted by: Jimmy Gandolfini, blood type:Raghu at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (vmAFq)

155 The experts ain't.

Posted by: toby928© at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (QupBk)

156 what is the number 1 killer ? being caucasian.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (WYUAi)

157 148 wasn't olive oil bad for you at one point...now good stuff? Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 04:51 PM (N3Y73) Only the stuff from Genco Olive Oil Co.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (olDqf)

158

#117 THIS

 

My mother taught school from 1953 to 1995. She finally quit because half the kids were on meds. She said in the 1950s, kids went outside and played 3x per school day - a mid day recess (15 min), a lunch / recess HOUR, and a mid-afternoon recess (15 min).  She had no problem with boys paying attention so long as they got to get up and run around every few hours. You know, actually be boys. And most of them rode a bike or walked to school back in the old days, which took the edge off them before they even GOT to school. The ones who took a bus lived on farms, and they had been up doing farm chores before school, which also took the edge off them.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (yK44T)

159 There ain't nuthin extra virgin about Olive Oyl

Posted by: Popeye at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (ScUhd)

160 I would amend it to: eat what you like and buy a punching bag. Beat the shit out of the punching bag 3 or 4 times a weeks for 15 minutes. Helps with weight and with stress.
I have four punching bags!

Posted by: well-off moslem guy at March 19, 2014 12:52 PM (hn5v5)

161 Problem on ADHD is that every elementary school, school psychologist and associated doctor does the diagnosis. Then they ensure their victims are put on drugs by pressuring the parents- who they scare with tales of woe.

Meanwhile it is what we cured years ago with a stern talk, kick in the pants or some sports activity- which you can't get sitting on your ass and only using your thumbs.

Yet, they wonder why there is a false epidemic.  It's like having a vet diagnose problems with your investment portfolio.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (GGCsk)

162 NASA: Redistribute Wealth or Face Societal Collapse... Sheesh! What the fuck happened to exploring outer space?? Talk about mission creep! Let's redistribute the people who work there wealth.

Posted by: Zombie Pug at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (r7mtu)

163 151 There are some brands without soy. But I usually make my own anyway.

Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (y7PFk)

164 It's all lies!  You peasants aren't allowed to eat any fat!



*more for me more for me more for me tee hee hee

Posted by: Michelle Obama at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (tv7DV)

165 Only the stuff from Genco Olive Oil Co.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 04:52 PM (olDqf)


I love me them GMO's...

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (N3Y73)

166

For the love of sweet fancy Moses, the study says that it doesn't make things much worse.  It doesn't make anything better, either.

 

The only way to improve or reverse Corornary Artery Disease is a diet that has less than ten percent of calories from fat.  I cannot overemphasize this enough.  Find a copy of Esselstyn's aptly-named "Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease".  He lays out the science about why he was able to help people who had been sent home to die by their cardiologists.

 

(I get fragged every time I talk about genuinely low-fat eating, but I have a close relative who had to have open-heart surgery twice due to a birth defect.  I will spare you the gory details, but why anyone would voluntarily undergo having their chest sawed open when they could easily avoid it by eating differently eludes me.)

Posted by: I have MS-NBC for that at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (sq9q3)

167 The act of cooking can also be relaxing, especially if you're only cooking for yourself. Ergo, the best way to live a long life is to cook a lot of steak.

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 12:53 PM (hFL/3)

168 Settled science? If it isn't where do the global change Nazis come into play?

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (HVff2)

169 148:wasn't olive oil bad for you at one point...now good stuff?   See my documentary movie for details, please.

Posted by: Lorenezo's oil, miracles stronger than majik retahds at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (vmAFq)

170 If people do not understand what "processed food" is just look at the label. Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Woohoo ManU 2-0!! at March 19, 2014 04:51 PM (IXrOn) I'd say if it ends in "-ose" or "-cetane" or you need to bust out your sophomore chem book to look up the pre/suffixes then it's a no go.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (x3YFz)

171 165 I love me them GMO's... Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 04:53 PM (N3Y73) Guido Modified Olives?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (olDqf)

172 Just stay on the Ron's diet of Barley, yeast, hops and water and you'll be just fine.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (acnx4)

173 120 I think the paleo diet people are mostly right. There are some who are more rigid than others, but the basic gist of it is eat meat, veggies, fruit on occasion, and minimize sugar and grains (which are fairly new to human eating). That's not bad advice. Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 04:46 PM (gmeXX) The other nice thing about this lifestyle is that for me it killed my allergies. I was diagnosed several years ago with asthma that was triggered by severe allergies. Since dropping grains, legumes, and all the processed crap my allergies are almost non-existent. I have to practically roll in pollen to have a flare-up and haven't had to use my inhaler in a very long time. I'm sure that some of that is genetics. For some reason my body doesn't like those things that I cut out and whenever I eat them not only do my allergies flare, I also pack weight back on and no amount of exercise or calorie counting reverses it.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (qFpRI)

174 I have always been extremely suspicious of ADHD. To me, it's mostly an excuse for parents and teachers not to do the hard work of training kids to behave properly.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at March 19, 2014 04:46 PM (r+7wo)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

Very much this.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (sx5Tc)

175 Extra Vrigin Olive Oil is good for you. What's better is coconut oil. MCT's, read about them.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (KRTiE)

176 I have four punching bags! Posted by: well-off moslem guy at March 19, 2014 04:52 PM (hn5v5) Don't beat your goats dude, animal abuse is not cool.

Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (Aif/5)

177 But, hell, no one makes it out of here alive anyway -- My plan is to live forever. So far, so good.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 12:54 PM (GSIDW)

178 Read the now classic Endangered Minds by Jane Healy, who documents how the Sesame Street style of programming damages the neural development of focus and attention span. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 19, 2014 04:51 PM (dfYL9)


Hey, I grew up watching Sesame Street and I'm just...... *wanders off*

Posted by: DangerGirl at March 19, 2014 12:55 PM (GrtrJ)

179 Another reason for the huge increase in ADHD diagnosis in the past decade or so is the FSA getting quack doctors to diagnose it so they can apply for SSDI for their 27 illegitimate children.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 19, 2014 12:55 PM (T2V/1)

180 Ace, I live with too much stress & in chronic pain. I live on painkillers, antiinflammatories & muscle relaxers. It took six months to get the right mix. Valium is the one muscle relaxer I can take without side effects. It is a good drug, it works on muscle spasms & mental stress. If you ever read anything I've written in past year about my younger brother Paul you'd see it helps. I eat whatever I want & don't weigh 100 lbs, but that is my goal.

Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 12:55 PM (gjOCp)

181 >>The act of cooking can also be relaxing, especially if you're only cooking for yourself. <<

Whatever happened to sex on the kitchen table as the best relaxing experience.

What have they done to my country!!??

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 12:55 PM (GGCsk)

182 Only the stuff from Genco Olive Oil Co.


That Genco Olive Oil has a lot of buffers.

Posted by: Willi Cici at March 19, 2014 12:56 PM (8ZskC)

183 Easy Just don't sweat the small shit As trite as it might sound- this. Call it First World Disease- we face so few real, immediate, life-threatening serious problems on a in our daily lives that we instead allow ourselves to get worked up over little stuff- getting a parking ticket, getting a bad review at work, temporary financial trouble, an argument, etc. And there's a LOT of little things in our lives with the potential to cause stress (if you let it). None of that shit really matters much. Roof over your head, food on your table, the safety and security of yourself and loved ones- those things matter. If you watch a documentary about hunter-gatherer tribes, a couple things stand out- they have quite a bit of free time, and for the most part they're pretty chill. If it's not an impending threat to their family, tribe or basic survival they don't much give a shit.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2014 12:56 PM (SY2Kh)

184 Time to feed the kitties a healthy can of mush. Later.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:56 PM (olDqf)

185 "Whatever happened to sex on the kitchen table as the best relaxing experience. What have they done to my country!!??" Just remember to place oven mitts under the lady's buttocks.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 12:56 PM (rAMJ8)

186 @158. Kids do need to be more active. Its easy to say, but society works against that. There isn't just one cause. Having two working parents makes it less likely that a kid will spend time outside because they are at school or a daycare all day. I do think schools can be more proactive. As a start, I'd stop testing and do more recess.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 12:56 PM (gmeXX)

187 182 That Genco Olive Oil has a lot of buffers. Posted by: Willi Cici at March 19, 2014 04:56 PM (8ZskC) My own personal thread winner! LOL.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 12:56 PM (olDqf)

188 NASA: Redistribute Wealth or Face Societal Collapse... Sheesh! What the fuck happened to exploring outer space?? Talk about mission creep! Let's redistribute the people who work there wealth. Posted by: Zombie Pug at March 19, 2014 04:53 PM (r7mtu) When I saw that this morning I just shook my head. Evidently the new definition of "aeronautics" and "space" includes telling me I have to give my money to meth heads. To think I once wanted to work there. Sweet, combat ready jesus, this country has gone to shit.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 12:57 PM (x3YFz)

189 >>Their study has concluded there is no link between fat intake and heart disease, No, based on what was excerpted their study did not find a correlation between saturated fat and heart disease risk. And, apparently, it did not control for (or look at) the effects of the other dietary components in their study group.

Posted by: Y-not at March 19, 2014 12:58 PM (zDsvJ)

190 Whatever happened to sex on the kitchen table as the best relaxing experience. What have they done to my country!!?? The terrorists have won.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 12:58 PM (GjYxB)

191 >>NASA: Redistribute Wealth or Face Societal Collapse... <<

I think the extra dollars for our defense budget have just been found.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 12:58 PM (GGCsk)

192 Costanza Defense: "They show zero humility. Over and over again it is shown that the majority of published scientific research is actually false."

This is what troubles me so about the scientific community.

Go to any medical library. Or more broadly, science/tech library. Go back to the 19th and early 20th century shelves. Now walk past the shelves to the present. You could fit several decades of research on a single shelf or a row of shelves. Before long the shelves to cover an equivalent period of time grow exponentially.

Not all of that research in very small print filling volume upon volume is due just to advancements and expansion into the discipline of science. An increasingly large portion of that content is turning out to be crap. Expansive, expensive, counterproductive crap. And each of those papers referenced translate into tens to hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars per paper.

This is a problem.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 12:58 PM (1CroS)

193

Ergo, the best way to live a long life is to cook a lot of steak.

 

Ohh....I'm all over that.

Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 12:58 PM (fsLdt)

194 Correct diagnosis: sleep deprivation. I think we all know who the 36-year-old is...

Posted by: t-bird at March 19, 2014 12:59 PM (FcR7P)

195 Not all fats are alike. Human metabolism is a complex system. Tinkering with one dietary variable can have different outcomes depending on compensatory tinkering with the other dietary variables.

Posted by: Y-not at March 19, 2014 12:59 PM (zDsvJ)

196 The studies that didn't have shit methodology were dubious on fat and heart disease already. Unfortunately, everybody, and I mean *everybody*, thinks they know every fuckin' thing, so no significant progress will be made soon on heart disease, or for that matter ADHD, IBS, Diabetes, or anything else everybody thinks they know every fuckin' thing about.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 19, 2014 12:59 PM (qyfb5)

197 Guido Modified Olives?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 04:54 PM (olDqf)



I've heard GMO fish can grow twice as fast as the current farmed fish. Can't wait till i can grow a fish in my kitchen ten minutes before I eat it. Fresh frankenfish..yum!






Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (N3Y73)

198 Honestly, when you get down to it, a lot of these problems are because of top-down technocracy from experts. The government imposed the food pyramid which was completely discredited. The goverment forces schools to test more which means they want more classroom time and less recess. Its almost as if there a lot of unintended negative consequences from the government's involvement in society's lives.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (gmeXX)

199 To me, it's mostly an excuse for parents and teachers not to do the hard work of training kids to behave properly. And getting little boys doped up on Ritalin so they behave better like little girls.

Posted by: t-bird at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (FcR7P)

200 Whatever happened to sex on the kitchen table as the best relaxing experience.
-----
If it is relaxing it is not being performed correctly.  It should be a key part of the daily workout. The relaxation should be reserved for after. Failure to follow these guidelines results in post-coital tristesse.

Posted by: Bivi at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (cs6+R)

201 Whatever did mankind do before scientists told us what to eat?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (oMKp3)

202 "They show zero humility. Over and over again it is shown that the majority of published scientific research is actually false." ---- Wow.

Posted by: Y-not at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (zDsvJ)

203 Not all fats are alike.


So be sure to get references to avoid disappointment.

Posted by: AirBnB at March 19, 2014 01:00 PM (8ZskC)

204 So does it mean they can make French Fries again that don't taste like shit to save us all from ourselves?

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 19, 2014 01:01 PM (/rlXg)

205

A long overdue admission of the truth.  They have been refusing to admit that the real problem is the fact that the stuff sticks to your arteries at all.  The blockages build up because of scarification of the artery walls, which create a place for the plaque to accumulate.  In a study of several thousand samples of blocked artery tissues, nearly all of those samples had scars created by infection from bacterial infection. 


The best thing anyone can do it avoid doctoring unless you have a clear emergency.  Otherwise their ministrations do at least as much harm as good, giving you a few more shitty years at the end of your life in exchange for your treasure and peace of mind now. 

 

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2014 01:01 PM (jfeoD)

206 I may have said that there is no such thing as ADHD once, but no more. My son, who is well-grounded in hard work, prayer, study, and morality is completely unable to get through a school day or even Mass without his meds. It is not a lack of trying, or just normal boy heebie-jeebies, but an actual inability to sit still or concentrate without some sort of distraction. I'm told it is mostly inherited, but that's hard to say in his case because we never met his first dad. It is possible that he could be diagnosed with something else, and I would prefer he NOT be medicated, but nothing else really fits and his meds work wonders.


I love doctors who say something doesn't exist but don't tell us what else might account for the issues. That article was long on denial and not too long on alternatives.

Posted by: tcn at March 19, 2014 01:01 PM (fwcEs)

207 NASA: Redistribute Wealth or Face Societal Collapse...



Okay, their new strategy is to scare people off the planet.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 19, 2014 01:02 PM (WdbF7)

208 I've heard GMO fish can grow twice as fast as the current farmed fish. Can't wait till i can grow a fish in my kitchen ten minutes before I eat it. Fresh frankenfish..yum! 3D printed lungs are on the horizon. Fuck that. How about 3D printed ribeyes?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:02 PM (GjYxB)

209 "190 Whatever happened to sex on the kitchen table as the best relaxing experience. " See that sounds less relaxing and more "ouch, crap. ok wait scoot up a little."

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 01:02 PM (hFL/3)

210 On a serious note, I think people should learn to listen to what their body tells them. Don't just follow the latest health fad.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 01:02 PM (GSIDW)

211 First salt, now fat. Getting to the point where the only thing you can eat that's certain to kill you is pussy.

Posted by: Michael Douglas at March 19, 2014 01:03 PM (TM1p8)

212 "And the Eco-Nazis want to totally reorganize modern society based off some computer simulations of climate change. They show zero humility. Over and over again it is shown that the majority of published scientific research is actually false. But they say, no, on this one let's reorder trillions in the energy industry. We're like, super confident about this climate stuff." Some craziness in nutrition and climate science hardly means that the "majority" of published research is false. Science reporting is terrible; like incredibly terrible. For every 1 good advance that happens (like the discovery of giant magnetoresistance which led to awesome hard drives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_magnetoresistance ) there will be 10 entirely bullshit speculative science stories that get pimped in popular magazines. Stories get into the popular magazines not because of superior science, but because they are the best at being sexy and superficial. For example has anyone here heard of a SQUID? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQUID Lots of badass research has been happening in the last 50 years, you just never hear about it through our sensationalist and incredibly superficial media industry.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 01:03 PM (rAMJ8)

213 My brother sometimes bursts out about how stressed he is when we're fishing or something. I've taken to just giving him a look when he does that. If he didn't want stress, maybe he shouldn't be a cop with two families, both of which were started out of wedlock and both of whom live within a half hour of his home. That is until his new "wife", a girl my age who we've known since she was ten and has a wacky/dysfunctional family, recently booted him out of the family home where they, and their two kids, had been living. Really Jimbo, you don't know why you're stressed? Could it have anything to do with your decisions?

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (ZshNr)

214 We have a great weight loss program in my country, starvation and Aids. That is if we make into adulthood with all the head chopping off shit and other tribal wars.

Posted by: Stick man from Somalia at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (IV4od)

215  Kids do need to be more active. Its easy to say, but society works against that. There isn't just one cause. Having two working parents makes it less likely that a kid will spend time outside because they are at school or a daycare all day.

I do think schools can be more proactive. As a start, I'd stop testing and do more recess.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 04:56 PM (gmeXX)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------------

 

 

Step back a minute and look at what you just wrote  and ask yourself a question:  Why is it that both parents have to work now?

 

Clue:  One  of the answers  is coming due April 15th.

 

When the mothers left the home to work, that's when we started having problems with the kids.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (sx5Tc)

216 203 Not all fats are alike. So be sure to get references to avoid disappointment. Posted by: AirBnB at March 19, 2014 05:00 PM (8ZskC) He's never been to the NCO club after 1 AM has he? Oh, wait.... he meant fatty *food* I did it again.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (x3YFz)

217 I think people should learn to listen to what their body tells them.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 05:02 PM (GSIDW)

My body tells me to have intercourse with Kate Upton.

In the interests of my long-term health (freedom)I am going to ignore that advice.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (QFxY5)

218 Of course, here is the thing. I know full well that eating a bowl full of Fettucini Alfredo is bad for my health. That giving my kids goldfish every morning instead of an egg or two is probably not the best breakfast. I don't need any study to tell me why both of those are not optimal health choices. But I like Fettucini. I like it when my kids sit quietly eating goldfish. Those things make me happy. And just maybe some happiness is more healthy than the other stuff. How about I just make my own choices, good or bad.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (gmeXX)

219

Interesting fact:

 

The British Medical establishment does not even recognize ADHD as a disorder.

 

So there's that.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (tVTLU)

220 199 To me, it's mostly an excuse for parents and teachers not to do the hard work of training kids to behave properly.

And getting little boys doped up on Ritalin so they behave better like little girls.

Posted by: t-bird at March 19, 2014 05:00 PM (FcR7P)



Exactly how I felt once, but my son? He doesn't behave like a little girl, but he no longer gets frustrated and hits other kids, or spends most of his class falling out of his chair and pestering everyone. His teacher works harder than any public school teacher ever did, as do his father and I, at training him to behave, and he knows what that takes, but he is unable to do it, and it makes him even more frustrated.



With meds, he can cope, but he isn't dopey and he is still all boy, believe me.

Posted by: tcn at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (fwcEs)

221 In RE to "They show zero humility. Over and over again it is shown that the majority of published scientific research is actually false."
----

Y-not: "Wow."

I think it's not really "false" as much as non-reproducible by another lab. That's a pretty damning development considering the basis of science is that your work must - MUST - be reproducible by others. This is not an insignificant matter.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (1CroS)

222 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life? I mean, apart from happenstance and luck. Posted by: ace at March 19, 2014 04:39 PM (/FnUH) Exercise. You cannot live a stress-free life, we're human, but you can reduce the effects. I won't say yoga to you, but, honestly, I'm in heaven after yoga, and it is long lasting. But, I also do weights, cardio, etc. I switch it up depending on my mood, how much time I have, and what I did the day before (weights every other day, regardless). We sit too much, which can cause ill health and death. And, of course, being a sun worshipper. Get your Vitamin D3 directly whenever you can store it up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: Woohoo ManU 2-0!! at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (IXrOn)

223 Hire people with hooks.

For a good time call 606-4311;
Ask for "Ken."

Take heart amid the deepening gloom
That your dog is finally getting enough cheese.

Posted by: Peter Banning at March 19, 2014 01:04 PM (e8kgV)

224 I also have a friend whose husband is a psychologist. His theory is that exercise cures a lot of ills (he is a mountain climber and triathelete who freely acknowledges that he likes the runner's high). He starts small with his patients ... "Let's go for a walk in the park."  Depending on the level of fitness of his client, he might even make it brisk. Sometimes he brings his dog along. He tries to get his clients to move up to running with him, or taking dancing lessons, or taking up swimming ... and he says he thinks he getting somewhere with his philosophy. He thinks being physically exhausted is really good for the mind.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 19, 2014 01:05 PM (yK44T)

225 I'm also curious about cholesterol drugs. Clinical studies show they can lower cholesterol, but I don't think there are any smoking gun studies that show they also lower risk of heart disease.

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at March 19, 2014 01:05 PM (RHLfG)

226 Step back a minute and look at what you just wrote and ask yourself a question: Why is it that both parents have to work now? ---- I elaborated after my original comment. I blamed everything on the government. I think we can all agree on that.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 01:05 PM (gmeXX)

227 Wait. So human civilization has thrived all these years, and made scientific and technological achievements in leaps and bounds, without Socialism, but now it is imperative we take a lot from one small group and give a little to another big group?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:06 PM (KRTiE)

228 For example has anyone here heard of a SQUID? Calamari?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:06 PM (GjYxB)

229 210 On a serious note, I think people should learn to listen to what their body tells them. Don't just follow the latest health fad.

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 05:02 PM (GSIDW)


I'm sitting at a local college trying to get some work done. Some super hot Hispanic ladies coming out of English class. If I listen to my body  I'd be in jail. No wait Ms. Guido would knife me...no jail time.

Posted by: Guido at March 19, 2014 01:06 PM (N3Y73)

230 Its the fat chicks you have to watch out for........

Posted by: squashed skinny lying in bed at March 19, 2014 01:06 PM (xWW96)

231 The British Medical establishment does not even recognize ADHD as a disorder. --- No funds for meds I'm guessing?

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 01:07 PM (gmeXX)

232 How about I just make my own choices, good or bad.

Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 05:04 PM (gmeXX)

Because you are not sufficiently evolved and elite to be able to decide for yourself what is good and what is bad.

Did you go to Harvard and then onto Columbia J School or Harvard Law?

I thought not.

You will do what we say.

Posted by: Your betters in DC at March 19, 2014 01:07 PM (QFxY5)

233 But, hell, no one makes it out of here alive anyway.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 04:50 PM (x3YFz)

**************

 

 

 

 

This.  And there is such a thing as living too long.  Gimme a nice heart attack or massive stroke, and swift doom.  Beats the hell out of rotting to death in an old folks home.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 19, 2014 01:07 PM (jfeoD)

234 van Persie - hat trick!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:07 PM (IXrOn)

235 "Call it First World Disease- we face so few real, immediate, life-threatening serious problems on a in our daily lives that we instead allow ourselves to get worked up over little stuff- getting a parking ticket, getting a bad review at work, temporary financial trouble, an argument, etc. And there's a LOT of little things in our lives with the potential to cause stress (if you let it). None of that shit really matters much. Roof over your head, food on your table, the safety and security of yourself and loved ones- those things matter." /agree Related: "It's like a tire fire, trying to put it out only makes it worse. You just gotta let it burn.. grab a beer and let it burn."~Hank Hill

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 01:07 PM (rAMJ8)

236 My mother taught school from 1953 to 1995. She finally quit because half the kids were on meds. She said in the 1950s, kids went outside and played 3x per school day - a mid day recess (15 min), a lunch / recess HOUR, and a mid-afternoon recess (15 min). She had no problem with boys paying attention so long as they got to get up and run around every few hours. You know, actually be boys. And most of them rode a bike or walked to school back in the old days, which took the edge off them before they even GOT to school. The ones who took a bus lived on farms, and they had been up doing farm chores before school, which also took the edge off them.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 19, 2014 04:52 PM (yK44T)


Exactly, there is a certain percentage of kids that just run and scream or sing or yell for a few minutes when they go out for recess.  They are not bad, nor are they crazy.  They just need to burn off their excess energy.  If they are allowed this time to just burn it off, they usually go find a group and join in some game.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 19, 2014 01:08 PM (kXoT0)

237 My body tells me French Fries quite often.

Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 01:08 PM (fsLdt)

238 Do you know how you know today's NASA is out of ideas and useless?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:08 PM (KRTiE)

239 "everything in moderation"

This is the dumbest saying ever. If you just eat a moderate amount of dogshit it isn't bad for you! It really isn't that hard to just eat real food and skip the shitty processed sugar soy wheat tasty-o's.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:08 PM (+lsX1)

240 Something else I noticed about Mediterraneans. They are very emotive. They get angry, they express it. But then it's gone. They don't repress and internalize it. So it's true, all that hate will burn you up. Let it out, quickly. Don't hang on to it.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 01:08 PM (4+AaH)

241 It's been, what, 30 years, since NASA did anything new?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 01:08 PM (KRTiE)

242 I want to see a morphology on why "extra virgin" is the healthy form of olive oil
It has a lighter taste, is all, for use in salad dressing. "Pure" grade has the same fat.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (xq1UY)

243 Posted by: Brass Bancroft at March 19, 2014 05:05 PM (RHLfG)

There are prelimanry data that show it, but you are correct that it is not "settled science."

My doctor prescribed statins, but also said don't be an idiot. Exercise and maintain a healthy weight.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (QFxY5)

244 The only fat that kills is Tubby Riefenstahl and Krispy Kreosote.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (olDqf)

245 artisanal 'ette: Woohoo ManU 2-0!!: "And, of course, being a sun worshipper. Get your Vitamin D3 directly whenever you can store it up."

Yes, yes my pretties! Worship that sun!

Posted by: Dermatologists and Oncologists Unite at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (1CroS)

246 Can you hear me, Dr. Hu?

Posted by: Richard Saul, fronting Steely Dan at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (roTS7)

247 So human civilization has thrived all these years, and made scientific and technological achievements in leaps and bounds, without Socialism, but now it is imperative we take a lot from one small group and give a little to another big group? Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 05:06 PM (KRTiE) The best minds that haven't fled from NASA like rats off a sinking ship apparently believe so.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (x3YFz)

248 Something else I noticed about Mediterraneans. Nice tans.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:09 PM (IXrOn)

249 I try to do all sorts of stuff, even if only once or twice, so that if I'm lucky enough to live a long life and some of it has to be with limited mobility I won't have so many regrets. I figure as long as I can see or hear or think or speak, I don't mind living a few years in assisted living before I check out.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (ZshNr)

250 238
Do you know how you know today's NASA is out of ideas and useless?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 19, 2014 05:08 PM (KRTiE)

 

 

 

 

Not out of ideas, just made useless by the most useless administration in history.

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (xWW96)

251 Yea, butter!

Posted by: Marlon Brando in Last Tango at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (AVz13)

252 237 My body tells me French Fries quite often. Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 05:08 PM (fsLdt) Freedom Fries!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (olDqf)

253 ADHD is a fucking crutch to get some speed to pass your exams. Everyone knows that. It only takes 15 minutes to get diagnosed, everyone knows that. Famous speed addict? Bill Buckley took Ritalin all his life. No wonder the fucker wrote so many books.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (0FSuD)

254 I said listen to your body, not obey it blindly. Sheessh

Posted by: votermom at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (GSIDW)

255 251 Yea,butter! Posted by: Marlon Brando in Last Tango at March 19, 2014 05:10 PM (AVz13) Goes good with anal rape-rape, non?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (olDqf)

256 Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 05:09 PM (xq1UY)

Probably because extraction of the other forms of olive create some saturated fats.

[Just a guess]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (anti-Irish Bigot) at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (QFxY5)

257 Remember the name Reshat Ametov. If you think the Tatars will stay out of this Crimean conflict- you're missing the big picture.


I just don't believe this ends well for Putin. Besides slowly destroying hats left of Russia's economy, there will be some type of counter insurgency. 

Posted by: Marcus T at March 19, 2014 01:10 PM (GGCsk)

258 Does a Mediterranean diet include Andrea Tantaros?

Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (Aif/5)

259 If the kids in school hitting other kids got punched in the face every time they hit someone, they might stop hitting kids.

Posted by: NCKate at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (y7PFk)

260 To see how truly dangerous Saturated Fat is for humans one needs to remember a simple medical fat.., I mean fact.

Human brain is made up of fat, mostly saturated fat.

Posted by: Comrade J at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (6kkPP)

261

So it's true, all that hate will burn you up. Let it out, quickly. Don't hang on to it.

 

a.  I would be banned from here.

B  Knock on door.

Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (fsLdt)

262 The job of NASA is to make muslims feel good about themselves!

Posted by: steevy at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (zqvg6)

263 @248. Yes, indeed. Some is their darker complexion, but they are out in the sun. A lot. I think that is a part of it, too.

Posted by: blaster at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (4+AaH)

264 For people worried about drowning their heart in fat, it doesn't hurt to skip a meal now and again, or to purify yourself with martinis.

I learned this from the esteemed Dr. Hawkeye Pierce.

Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (UzPAd)

265 I want to see a morphology on why "extra virgin" is the healthy form of olive oil It's extra cost lightens your wallet so you don't kill yourself carrying around all that cash??

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:11 PM (GjYxB)

266 Easy
Just don't sweat the small shit

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 19, 2014 04:41 PM (3uIOB)


But what about the big shit? I don't stretch like that, man.

Posted by: [/i]KG at March 19, 2014 01:12 PM (p7BzH)

267 Yes, yes my pretties! Worship that sun! Posted by: Dermatologists and Oncologists Unite at March 19, 2014 05:09 PM (1CroS) Never enough. ;-)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:13 PM (IXrOn)

268 That Serenity Prayer you see hanging in needlepoint at Grandma's is sound medical advice.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 01:13 PM (ZshNr)

269

Does a Mediterranean diet include Andrea Tantaros?

 

Hey now..........

Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 01:13 PM (fsLdt)

270 I don't mind living a few years in assisted living before I check out.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 05:10 PM (ZshNr)

Oh, we doubt that.

Posted by: ACA at March 19, 2014 01:13 PM (QFxY5)

271 But what about the big shit? I don't stretch like that, man. Moar salad.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (GjYxB)

272 I would munch Andrea Tantaros's taco.

Posted by: maddogg at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (xWW96)

273 Obamacare will reduce this quackery by spending all the money on bureaucracy.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (DL2i+)

274

I went paleo 2 months ago. I eat predominantly meat and veggies. Really the only thing IÂ’ve cut out completely are grains. I donÂ’t feel hungry in the least. I exercise moderately a few times a week, and I have a sedentary job.

 

In those two months IÂ’ve lost 38 pounds. The easiest weight IÂ’ve ever lost and I have no desire to go back to the way I ate before. Above and beyond the weight loss, I feel better than I have in years. I have more energy, joint pain is gone, acid reflux is gone and IÂ’m more alert.

 

I’m no expert, but based on my personal experience it seem the “avoid fat, eat gains” mentality is crap.

Posted by: bruscar75 at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (lW5rm)

275

My doctor has me on statins to keep the bad cholesterol down. He admits that there is no direct link between high cholesterol and heart disease but makes a good case that high cholesterol levels are a bad thing. The drugs let me eat ice cream every night without guilt.  

Statins probably cause autism but I don't plan to get pregnant.    

 

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (AVz13)

276 Does a Mediterranean diet include Andrea Tantaros? Posted by: Adam at March 19, 2014 05:11 PM (Aif/5) For me, it's extra olives in my martini's.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:14 PM (IXrOn)

277 When I was a kid, Space Camp was like the coolest thing ever. Everyone wanted to go. Time passed. I ended up at Vandenberg AFB for a bit and volunteered at Space Camp. Place was desolate. No funding, no takers. And that was 2004. No astronauts. No space program. Nothing except a bunch of assholes working on convincing me the CO2 I breath out is a death sentence. National Ass Sucking Administration.

Posted by: tangonine at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (x3YFz)

278 The difference between our kids on medication and off is profound - and they are the first ones who will tell you that.


Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at March 19, 2014 04:45 PM (PZ6/M)


I could be wrong, but if you give a kid a drug intended to change their mood/behavior... their mood/behavior will change. So, yea, of course there will be a difference in the kid on/off medication.

Posted by: [/i]KG at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (p7BzH)

279 Nood.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (GjYxB)

280 See that sounds less relaxing and more "ouch, crap. ok wait scoot up a little."

Posted by: Lauren at March 19, 2014 05:02 PM (hFL/3)

 

That I even have to pause and think about a 30-year-old knee injury before engaging those kinds of carefree fun-and-games takes the spontaneity right out of it.

 

God I'm old.

Posted by: troyriser at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (O66NZ)

281 Ace, Please nothing more on missing plane. I am so sick of it I keep television off more than usual.

Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 01:15 PM (gjOCp)

282 Never enough. ;-)

Ten minutes at noon in June will peel for a week.  (And noon Indiana time is 10 a.m. sun time...)

Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (ZKzrr)

283 Not all of that research in very small print filling volume upon volume is due just to advancements and expansion into the discipline of science. An increasingly large portion of that content is turning out to be crap. Expansive, expensive, counterproductive crap. And each of those papers referenced translate into tens to hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars per paper.

This is a problem.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 04:58 PM (1CroS)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Everything is agenda driven now.  I'm in the medical profession and I can say, without doubt, that most medical journals are filled with nothing but pompous bullshit designed to try to change a persons behaviour.   Unless it's about a particular procedure (and even that can be skewed) it's probably going to be statistical horseshit.

 

And if you think that's bad.  Look at a few of the business management journals.  It's fucking mind-blowin.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (sx5Tc)

284 blaster: "Something else I noticed about Mediterraneans. They are very emotive. They get angry, they express it. But then it's gone. They don't repress and internalize it."

What's the lifespan for a New Yorker/New Jerseyer 'cause I noticed mostly the very emotive, angry, expressive types when I visited. It was like a population of Tourettes Civilians... not so much personal animosity as much as self-centered angst to cope with large volumes of interpersonal encounters.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (1CroS)

285 "ADHD is a fucking crutch to get some speed to pass your exams. Everyone knows that. It only takes 15 minutes to get diagnosed, everyone knows that. Famous speed addict? Bill Buckley took Ritalin all his life. No wonder the fucker wrote so many books." The psychologists show a readiness to dispense drugs that would shame even pushers on the street. When I had a dark period of bad depression I visited a psychologist at the university and had antidepressants (real ones, not fake sugar pill) from literally the first visit. The first visit. At that point why not just have drug vending machines instead of psychologists? It would be more efficient, and honest.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (rAMJ8)

286 He thinks being physically exhausted is really good for the mind.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 19, 2014 05:05 PM (yK44T)



My son is outside as soon as he gets home, no matter the weather, or else he is off to hockey practice, baseball practice, swimming lessons, laps at the track, etc, etc. He hikes with us in the summer, plays at the beach, paddles a canoe, does household chores, all that good stuff. He still can't sit still and do his homework without his meds. Some kids really do have this, but I can't speak to the over-diagnoses that probably happen all of the time by quacks. He had a long evaluation by a psychiatrist, and is monitored accordingly on his meds. I don't believe we are making a mistake, but I pray we aren't doing the wrong thing. Doesn't help to have armchair quarterbacks.

Posted by: tcn at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (fwcEs)

287 They get angry, they express it. But then it's gone. They don't repress and internalize it.

Tell that to Amanda Knox.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:16 PM (+lsX1)

288 My mom died at the age of 93 of pneumonia after a minor stroke. My dad is still alive at the age of 96. Neither of these two has had heart surgery or heart attacks. They ate margarine, deserts at least once a day, whole milk, red meat, full fat salad dressing, sour cream, cheese, and pretty much everything they tell you not to eat. My mother never served vegetables or potatoes without putting a good dollop of margarine on it. Of course they ate these things in old fashioned amounts. Which means portion sizes were about half of what most people eat today. When I was growing up the idea of eating a hamburger with a half pound patty was unheard of. And probably the best way to avoid a heart attack? Have good genes. My mother came from a very large family and I never heard of anyone from at least 4 generations having a heart attack.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 19, 2014 01:18 PM (1/IUa)

289 WSJ has article today that Clinton supporters aren't all for her running in 2016. I am for her being indicted for Benghazi this year.

Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 01:18 PM (gjOCp)

290  That Serenity Prayer you see hanging in needlepoint at Grandma's is sound medical advice.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 19, 2014 05:13 PM (ZshNr)

 

 

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Yup.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:19 PM (sx5Tc)

291 242 I want to see a morphology on why "extra virgin" is the healthy form of olive oil It has a lighter taste, is all, for use in salad dressing. "Pure" grade has the same fat. Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 05:09 PM (xq1UY) I've read about the differences in labeling of coconut oil, between regular stuff, virgin, and extra virgin. The difference is in the degree that it is processed. The higher amount of processing it takes to extract the oil, the less it retains in the natural content of vitamins and minerals. If I remember correctly, the processing usually involves pressing (extra virgin and virgin) and heat (plain) to extract the oil, and the heat kills off nutrients. I'm assuming the same is true for olive oil.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (qFpRI)

292 ADHD = Absence of Discipline, Home-based Discipline

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (AskuI)

293 My doctor has me on statins to keep the bad cholesterol down. He admits that there is no direct link between highcholesterol and heart disease butmakes a good case that high cholesterol levelsare a bad thing. The drugslet me eat ice cream every night withoutguilt.
Statins probably cause autism but I don't plan to get pregnant.

Pretty solid case alright. You're in the best of hands.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 19, 2014 01:20 PM (+lsX1)

294 5 When I stay low carb *all* my blood numbers are in the optimal range. And that's when I'm eating butter and ribeyes and peanuts - things with a lot of fat.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 19, 2014 04:30 PM (WvXvd)

Same here, but I'm not really all that low.  Basically following paleo.  My lipid numbers are all in the optimal range, which even some pretty hardcore medication wasn't doing for me.  Also, lost weight (20 lbs in six weeks, which months of a low-cal diet wasn't getting rid of) while *increasing* caloric intake from about 1000 cal/day to about 1800.  I get about 40% of my calories from protein, 30% from fats and 30% from carbs. 

Posted by: Simon Jester at March 19, 2014 01:21 PM (6B2Vm)

295 The Saturated Fat/Heart Disease links was conclusively debunked several years ago. How? Eskimos! Apparently there was a long-running health study of Eskimos, dating back to the mid-20th century or even earlier. Someone in recent times reviewed the long-ignored data and found some astonishing facts: 1. Eskimo traditional diet is INCREDIBLY high in saturated fats. They eat walrus blubber raw, for example, sometimes as their primary food for months at a time. 2. Eskimos on the traditional diet had an incredibly LOW rate of heart disease! This was the exact opposite of what "modern nutritional science" predicts. He then discovered that over the decades, as eskimo populations transitioned from ultra-high-cholesterol blubber/fat diets to "healthier" Western-style diets, their rates of heart diseases SKYROCKETED. Again, the polar (pardon the pun) opposite of what was expected. And then he looked at accompanying data and found something even MORE astonishing: Those eskimos that transitioned to a Western-style diet ALSO got simultaneously got another benefit of western civilization: indoor running water. And he discovered that there was an even greater correlation between "getting running water" and "getting heart disease" than there was between "eating Western food" and "getting heart disease." What the hell is going on here?, he asked. So he probed further. Traditional eskimos only very rarely bathe. Especially in winter, as you might imagine. (Cold.) They might take a few snow-melt lake "baths" in the summer months, but for the other 9 months -- no all-body bathing. And when they did bathe, it was just straight water -- no soap in Eskimo culture. But those eskimos moving into towns and becoming "modernized" adopted the western habit of taking all-body soapy showers with hot water rather frequently. And he discovered: The more hot-water soapy-showers you take, the higher your blood cholesterol, and the higher incidence of heart disease. WTF?????????? And then - bingo! -- the dawning realization: What is cholesterol even doing in our blood in the first place? Well, one of the main reasons is that our skin needs sebum to keep it supple and ward off infections, and sebum (i.e. the oiliness on your skin) is synthesized from cholesterol. So your liver makes the cholesterol, sends it into the bloodstream, where it is carried to the skin and becomes sebum, so we don't get all crackly and dry up. Normally, for millions of years, our sebum stayed on our skin basically all the time, and was replaced little by little. But there's only one good way to remove ALL your sebum at once: soap and hot water. So every time you take a soapy shower you are chemically removing all the sebum from your skin. You liver detects this and says "Holy cow! The skin needs more sebum! Quick, produce a bunch more cholesterol and send out to the skin via the bloodstream!" And then the next day -- we wash it all off again! And so the liver goes into overdrive again - and then we wash it all off again! And again and again! Every day! As a result, your liver is almost constantly in emergency mode manufacturing replacement cholesterol to get the sebum back on the skin. And as a result, our bloodstream is constantly filled with too much cholesterol, where it eventually starts to stick to the walls, clog up the arteries, and cause heart disease. So the answer is: High blood cholesterol is caused by taking too many soapy showers! It is NOT -- I repeat, NOT - primarily caused by diet. (Further research showed that diet contributes maybe 10%-15% of blood cholesterol problems, but no more.) He then "went rogue" (he was forced to because his theory was too paradigm-breaking) and did small self-funded studies, following people with high-cholesterol and then putting them on a "no hot soapy showers diet." Result: They all got lower cholesterol readings! Even if food/diet was unchanged. This theory is still "unofficial" and considered a little too mind-bending to be part of the standard discussions, but those who look into it (and try it) have discovered it works, with amazing results. (Note: Showering WITHOUT soap is much better, because it is the soap that chemically removes the sebum.)

Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 01:21 PM (mizYg)

296 Posted by: tcn at March 19, 2014 05:16 PM (fwcEs) You do what's best for your child and ignore internet second guessing.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 19, 2014 01:22 PM (oMKp3)

297 "The Paleo diet mostly involves eating real food: meat, fruit, and vegetables, with natural fats. I don't know how that kind of diet has ever gotten labeled as 'crazy'." I'd be very interested in a non-pseudoscience definition of "real food", and why grains and cheese aren't included in that. Plenty of French, Swiss, and Italians eat large amounts of cheese and grains yet remain slimmer than US on average.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 19, 2014 01:23 PM (rAMJ8)

298 Andrea Tantaros is a stunning human creature. But "extra virgin," nah bro.

Know what I always notice about the Mediterraneans? All the goddamn bread.
It's not like Lebanon or Greece or Italy or Spain aren't famous for their bread.
But "Ask a Doctor" and it's that bad bad English, German, Scandi wheat that's killing everybody. I have to wonder if some of these doctors even go to the Med.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (xq1UY)

299 J. J. Sefton, I didn't see you here on yesterday early am thread. I am avoiding early am thread because it makes me later for work, but I missed you yesterday.

Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 01:24 PM (gjOCp)

300 Zombie that's incredibly interesting.

Posted by: eleven at March 19, 2014 01:25 PM (fsLdt)

302 There's some bossy, trying to control your life organization that had done "studies" on various kinds of restaurant food, Mexican, movie theater, Chinese, and so on. They told you that eating Mexican food was bad for you, eating Chinese food was bad for you, eating Italian food was bad for you, eating movie popcorn was bad for you. The thing was, if you read the article, they would pick out the most high calorie item that that restaurant sold, then assume that you were eating the entire order in one sitting. They completely ignored the fact that many of us go to a Chinese or Italian restaurant with the idea that we are taking home enough food for tomorrow's dinner. I can't remember the name of the group, but they were serious spoil sports.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (1/IUa)

303 Re 236, Kids playing to burn off energy. In Finnish elementary schools, the rule is that the kids have to have 15 minutes to play for every 45 minutes of class. Sometimes the teachers do back to back classes, 90 minutes, and then let the kids out for 30. Playtime is usually outside and the kids are superfast at getting in and out of their outdoor clothing. Probably not coincidentally, very few Finnish kids are medicated for ADHD, only about one or two percent. (Anecdotal from some Finnish teachers I know.)

Posted by: Emily at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (7Rn+/)

304

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Interesting.  Makes sense  physiologically.   Had never read this explanation.

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (sx5Tc)

305 Wait. So hobos are healthier than the average moron and likely have a better vascular system? This is a troubling discovery. I'm going to have to upgrade my crossbow.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 01:28 PM (1CroS)

306 Ten minutes at noon in June will peel for a week. (And noon Indiana time is 10 a.m. sun time...) Posted by: HR at March 19, 2014 05:16 PM (ZKzrr) suntan lotion...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 19, 2014 01:29 PM (IXrOn)

307 300 Zombie that's incredibly interesting. Posted by: eleven Too bad I posted it after the thread was already dead! I could have saved countless lives if I could type faster.

Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (mizYg)

308 They completely ignored the fact that many of us go to a Chinese or Italian restaurant with the idea that we are taking home enough food for tomorrow's dinner. 

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 19, 2014 05:28 PM (1/IUa)

 

 

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Who's "us".  I generally lick that plate clean.  Especially Chinese. 

 

 

 

Posted by: Soona at March 19, 2014 01:30 PM (sx5Tc)

309 Zombie, A dermatologist once told me you only need soap on private parts, feet, etc. places that smell. A gentle cleanser will remove makeup.

Posted by: Carol at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (gjOCp)

310 After a bout with cancer (not skin cancer but cancer nonetheless), my main suntan lotion is called a roof. SPF 10,348.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 19, 2014 01:32 PM (1CroS)

311 See, you are taking this to personal. He didn't say it was a sham. He simply said it was overly and many times improperly diagnosed. You interpret that as meaning that he was directing right at you. Posted by: SH at March 19, 2014 04:48 PM (gmeXX) I believe that there are a few people who have something called ADD or ADHD. However there are school personnel who, when faced with a child that is rambunctious, are way to quick to start talking about labeling the usually ( often a boy) as ADD and putting him on ritalin. I knew an elementary school teacher who avoided consulting with her school's social worker when she had a student with a behavior problem, because the woman almost always looked for ADD.

Posted by: nerdygirl at March 19, 2014 01:34 PM (1/IUa)

312 Well, let's say I'm curious: How exactly does one go about living a stress-free life?

** shifty eyes **
Serial killing

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 19, 2014 01:35 PM (DL2i+)

313 309 Zombie, A dermatologist once told me you only need soap on private parts, feet, etc. places that smell. A gentle cleanser will remove makeup. Posted by: Carol Precisely. Have high blood cholesterol? Want to lower it? Here's how: 1. Eat whatever you want. 2. Take fewer showers. 3. When you do shower, try to limit soap use to the "stinky zones" -- underarms, crotch, feet, maybe neck/ears. Otherwise, just use hot water on the majority of your body surface. Live long and enjoy life!

Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 01:36 PM (mizYg)

314 And don't forget the ass-crack! Use lots of soap there too. Shampoo is also OK because your scalp is really only a percent or two of your overall skin surface. So to amend #3 above: 3. When you do shower, try to limit soap use to the "stinky zones" -- underarms, crotch, ass-crack, feet, maybe neck/ears, hair. Otherwise, just use hot water on the majority of your body surface.

Posted by: zombie at March 19, 2014 01:39 PM (mizYg)

315

I think the Swedes (or was it the Swiss) have already revised their dietary guidelines to recognize low-carb.

 For 30+ years, they've been pushing low fat and Americans have reduced their fat intake in response. In those same 30 years, obesity rates have *doubled*, diabetes has *tripled* and heart disease remains the number one killer.

  Obviously something ain't right.

  The conclusion I've come to come to is the culprit is "fast carbs", refined sugars an starches that are absorbed quickly by the human body, spiking blood glucose and then insulin in response.

   Sugars, breads, potatoes, etc. A Russet baked potato, for instance has a higher glycemic index than pure table sugar, actually. Cereals, etc.

   If you read what they're finding, you'll find that spiking insulin/blood sugar is what triggers fat production (and your own cholesterol production). This is what drives the fasting lipid numbers in the wrong direction, not eating fats.

   The human body needs so many calories and when you reduce the fat, you've got to replace it. In response to our idiot govt and other dietary haranging, we've cut that fat, but replaced it with the worst thing we could, fast carbs.

Posted by: publius(NotBreitbartPublius) at March 19, 2014 01:45 PM (ClQSA)

316 303?

   nerdygirl ?

Since I'm a poor widower one of the rare luxuries I allow myself is takeout dinners. Usually Chinese or Mexican. It's delicious and always cooked fresh.

But know what? A Big Mac is not bad, either. As #4 mentioned? "I hate scolds." My theory has always been God has a great big Simplex time clock in the sky running on you. He punched you in, at birth. At some point? He'll punch you out.

Until then? "A thousand may fall at your right side, ten thousand at your left- but you will remain unharmed...."

And when God decides to punch you out? Not a thing of Earth can save you...

Life is to be lived, and enjoyed. My first wife dragged me to every 5-star restaurant she could find- and their meals were good.

My second? Was happy with bread toasted on a griddle and topped with fried corned-beef hash and a fried egg. It all was good.


Posted by: backhoe at March 19, 2014 01:48 PM (ULH4o)

317 Some experts, huh? I've been telling everyone I know for the past decade+ that in the context of a low-carb diet there is zero evidence of a connection between saturated fat and heart disease - and I'm no "expert." I like all of those caveats that say even though this study says what it says, don't go crazy and totally listen to it, and don't take the fat out of context with everything else. Where were these caveats all these years when they were telling us to load up on rice and pasta and that fat is going to kill us all in 18 months?

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Posted by: bobbymike at March 19, 2014 01:58 PM (9trNv)

319 I've beaten this drum a million times now. Frankly, it doesn't matter a lick what you eat, just don't over indulge. I was 260 pounds and am now 225. What did I cut out of my diet? Nothing. I just stopped the buffets and work out more regularly. What's more, all the important health markets are way up our down as appropriate.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at March 19, 2014 02:01 PM (ZNIRz)

320

141 "I never understood the demonizing of pasta and bread when people in Italy consume incredible quantities of it, but are much slimmer than Americans on average. When I visited my wife's family in N. Italy the amount of bread consumed was staggering. According to the carb demonizers they should have all been dead 100 years ago, yet Italy remains. "

 

 Exactly. Plus risotto and pasta. The frogs start the day off with a croissant and eat bread at every meal and yet they are much thinner than we are. The diet of poor people the world over consists largely of beans and rice. That's the biggest reason I don't buy this "carbs are the devil" crap.

 

The reason there are a zillion diets out there and "the experts" all contradict each other is because Americans love to declare one particular food group or ingredient Satan and they cut it out of their diets and 5 or 10 years down the pike everyone is fatter than they were before. We do demonization well - moderation not so much.

Posted by: Donna and V. (no ampersand) at March 19, 2014 02:27 PM (R3gO3)

321 For the next three years it is whatever Mooch says it is. 

I'm betting Chinese food soon.

Posted by: gracepmc at March 19, 2014 02:39 PM (rznx3)

322 I'm sure there are plenty of people who use ADHD as an excuse because an ADHD diagnosis is one of the best ways to justify your loser ways and let yourself off the hook.

However, there are a LOT of people who are motivated, driven, intelligent people who have ADHD - they don't use it as an excuse, but they do recognize it as a disadvantage that has to be managed and accounted for.

I'm one of those people - I love to learn, read, write, but I have trouble following schedules and pacing myself to meet deadlines.

ADHD isn't really about being distracted by random things, it's about impaired executive functions and being really bad at estimating the time it takes to get things done. One of the leading experts says it should be renamed "time blindness".

I had terrible grades in school because I could never get my home work done - I would just lock up, unable to get the answers out consistently. Yet I was a very fast learner with an excellent memory - I scraped by getting A's on tests and F's on homework and projects.

Didn't go to college, but I hold down a six figure job at a fortune 50 company. I work from home and have almost complete control over my schedule. This works for me but I have a lot of times where I don't keep up and have to work late and cram to meet deadlines and if I had to be consistently punctual I would probably be homeless.

Nobody really understood ADHD when I was a kid and I wasn't hyper active, but I had a hell of a time getting school work done, despite wanting to do it. It's hard for people to understand a condition that inhibits your ability not to take in, process and understand, but to simply output the answers. Teachers would turn it into a moral problem and decide you were doing it "on purpose" (usually to make the teacher look bad - why I would do that, I still have no idea). Imagine how frustrated a crippled person would be if they were consistently told that they could walk, they just don't want to because they like screwing with everyone - that's how a lot of people with ADHD feel.

This is anonymous so I'll just say it - my shrink told me I was the highest IQ she had ever measured in her career. That was nice to hear, but there were a lot of good opportunities that were closed to me because I didn't understand why I had so much trouble applying myself - with no lack of desire or interest. It still feels crazy when I talk about it, but I've accepted it - intellect is not the only thing needed for certain life paths.


Posted by: ADHD guy at March 19, 2014 02:43 PM (EsxAc)

323

Late to the party, but...

ADHD: It's real, just overdiagnosed. A CAT scan of an ADHD brain and a "regular" brain reveals two different images entirely; SOMETHING is going on in there. ADD meds and other stimulants calm my brain down, they don't rev it up. I think unfortunately ADHD just becomes a catch all for behavior problems. It is also used as an excuse to aim lower in life, to not develop good manners, or to game the ADA system; which, as someone with legit ADD, really ticks me off.

Saturated fat: I have no prob believing this, we still do not understand all the ways our body actually uses the food we put in. Follow the money. Is the same with oils; the canola companies paid money for studies to say coconut and palm oils are eeevil. Now it turns out new studies say Omega 3's, which canola oil contains, might be bad for you. Just practice sensible eating, will be all right in the end.

Posted by: LizLem at March 19, 2014 03:33 PM (BF+2f)

324 Why, hello there!

Posted by: Two Pounds of Apple-Smoked Bacon at March 19, 2014 04:50 PM (AymDN)

325 ADHD guy, it sounds like one condition you certainly have is giftedness--which can be a curse as well as a gift--a whole other topic. Glad you were able to figure out a way to function in the world. What a shame that it had to be such an ordeal. I wonder if there is any program out there addressing the group I think of as the "X-Men"--gifted kids, usually guys, who had miserable high school careers and did not go to college. If there's a college out there interested in gathering up these 20-somethings from their pizza delivery jobs and parents' basements and giving them some mentoring by really smart people, they could start turning out some really interesting graduates.

Posted by: Emily at March 19, 2014 05:10 PM (7Rn+/)

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