January 16, 2014
— DrewM A few morning quick hits:
1. Could The GOP Actually Give Up On Repealing ObamaCare?
Short answer...of course. It's the GOP for crying out loud.
Longer answer: Erick Erickson makes a strong case that the groundwork is being laid for just such a cave. The groups that are siding with the GOP establishment in the ongoing intra-party wars are accommodating themselves to "fixing" not "repealing and replacing" ObamaCare. It's not a huge stretch to expect that their allies in the GOP will follow along in due course.
Yes, most Republicans continue to say the right things, but they always say the right things before they do the wrong ones. Case in point...the sequester spending caps were supposed to be sacrosanct or traded for some big entitlement reform. How'd that work out?
This is why it's important to keep the pressure on "the establishment" from the right and not buy into their "focus on Democrats" nonsense. Left to their own devices the GOP will...go left. Every time.
We talk more about that on this week's podcast with Washington Examiner reporter Tim Carney. He covers a lot of this "establishment" vs. "tea party" stuff, so follow him on Twitter if you don't already.
2. Could The GOP Cave On Amnesty?
I'm not even sure it's a cave at this point since so much of the party leadership and donor base wants it but let's pretend for the moment it would be.
How could the GOP cave and still claim they didn't? Just get a little pregnant with amnesty.
[House Judiciary Committee Chairman Robert] Goodlatte has said he would instead offer a provisional legal status to illegal immigrants, then allow those who can demonstrate they are eligible to apply for permanent residency — a document known as a green card — through the existing system, based on sponsorship by a family member or an employer. Obtaining a green card is the crucial step toward American citizenship.The foundation’s report, prepared by Stuart Anderson, its executive director, finds that even without major changes to current immigration law, 3.1 million to 4.4 million immigrants now illegally in the United States would be eligible for green cards because they are parents of American citizens. As many as 600,000 could gain green cards as spouses of citizens and legal residents, and up to 45,000 could receive green cards within two decades as low-skilled workers.
So everyone gets legalization but only those who would be eligible through the current criteria for Green Cards would be put on that path to citizenship. See, it's not a "special path to citizenship", it's just letting law breakers who aren't eligible for any legalization right now to jump on the citizenship line and the rest just get legalized. See. nothing "special" about that.
The problem with this or any half measure is the GOP will raise anger on both sides. Amnesty folks will say it's not enough and pro-current law folks will say it's a sellout.
No one will be happy and everyone will be angrier with the GOP than they were before. Brilliant!
Of course, if it does pass, the amnesty people will turn their anger into pressure to get the rest of the loaf while the rest of us will be left playing defense and hoping the best cast is maybe 5-6 million illegals get a pass on breaking our laws.
Left! Ever to the left!
Speaking of anger...if you oppose amnesty, get ready to make yours heard.
Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, Republican Conference Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers, and immigration-law expert Bob Goodlatte, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, are writing the principles with Boehner.They intend to start vetting them with House Republicans, likely next week after GOP leaders hold a meeting to prep for their conference's Jan. 29 retreat. By the time the principles go public (or are leaked), leadership hopes to have more than half of the conference on board.
Then, according to aides, the plan is to gauge public reaction. If House members are deluged with nothing but hate mail from their districts, Republicans might decide to do nothing but emphasize border security, perhaps even voting on the border bill produced last year. That's at least until 2014 primary-election filings are over. (The biggest threat to Republicans on immigration is in the primaries anyway, strategists say. No one will lose in the general election because they are too soft on immigration.)
If public reaction is what will sway the GOP then that's what they'll have to get. Preferably in terms of donations to credible primary challengers. That's what will really scare them.
3. GOP Gets Their Moderate Dream Senate Candidate In Virginia.
It's going to be fun watching the Dems and the publishers of their daily newsletter, The Washington Post, turn Ed Gillespie, a moderate, pro-amnesty, party hack into a monster that's to the right of Ken Cuccinelli. Should be fun. I hope conservatives in Virginia give Gillespie all the support that moderates gave Cuccinelli last year.
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Posted by: Low Intelligence Voter at January 16, 2014 07:20 AM (V70Uh)
Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2014 07:21 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: No Intelligence Voter at January 16, 2014 07:22 AM (mETGQ)
Ugh.
You know what? I'm just going to go over there and stand in the corner and wallow in the warmth I feel over the fact that "The Butler" (and race hustler Oprah in particular) didn't get a single Oscar nomination. I need to cling to SOMETHING positive today.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 07:22 AM (4df7R)
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Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2014 07:23 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: wing.....and a prayer at January 16, 2014 07:23 AM (dLNm7)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 16, 2014 07:23 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 16, 2014 07:24 AM (NSh5j)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 16, 2014 07:24 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 07:24 AM (lZBBB)
Should be fun. I hope conservatives in Virginia give Gillespie all the support that moderates gave Cuccinelli last year.
If you dont wanna retake the Senate, why do you care about the GOPs position on Obamacare? It would be inconsequential, wouldnt it?
The crazy LiB nonsense, the intra-party fights and the incitement to party-disunity by the nutty fringe have to stop or you will deliver America to Hillary on a silver platter!
Posted by: Begonia at January 16, 2014 07:24 AM (HjPvx)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 07:25 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 07:25 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Godfrey Parke at January 16, 2014 11:22 AM (DrC22)
Ben found the squatting position too difficult, so he's just going to hold it.
Posted by: [/i]KG at January 16, 2014 07:25 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 16, 2014 11:23 AM (DrC22)
You sir, are an imposter and a liar.
Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at January 16, 2014 07:25 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: lindafell and sees no point in getting up at January 16, 2014 07:25 AM (PGO8C)
Posted by: The Muse at January 16, 2014 07:26 AM (DrC22)
Beck is tearing apart Harvey Weinstein on his radio show this morning. Makes you wonder how weinstein could be so successful but yet have no ability to think the things he proclaims through.
Posted by: think at January 16, 2014 07:26 AM (OroYa)
Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2014 07:26 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 16, 2014 07:26 AM (HsTG8)
Posted by: Adam at January 16, 2014 07:27 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 07:27 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Shrillary Clinton at January 16, 2014 07:27 AM (32Ze2)
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So, that's what we call the squishes now?
Posted by: Biff Boffo at January 16, 2014 07:27 AM (YmPwQ)
Ed Gillespie was at the wheel during the worst of the Bush years when the GOP lost both houses of Congress.
So basically he's the perfect loser pick for the VA GOP.
Posted by: Sam In VA at January 16, 2014 07:27 AM (Q52VH)
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 16, 2014 07:28 AM (Oa7B2)
Posted by: Huma the Puma at January 16, 2014 07:28 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: traye at January 16, 2014 07:28 AM (NwE0s)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 07:28 AM (OZmbA)
The best part was he said we need no guns in America. Then Stern asks him "well what if something like the Holocaust was happening again". He replied oh I'd go find one somewhere if that was happening. What a fucking tool.
Posted by: Adam at January 16, 2014 07:28 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Saltydonnie at January 16, 2014 07:29 AM (i6shs)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 16, 2014 07:29 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 07:29 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 16, 2014 07:29 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 16, 2014 07:31 AM (W3rmB)
Drew.. can you try to get it into your head there is no caving.. there is no repealing Obamacare.
Obama would have to sign off on repealing it. Even if we win the Senate back, and even if both the House and Senate pass repeal bills, Obama just laughs and vetos it. (This is how this legislation shit works in Washington, Drew)
Jeeesus.. enough with the repeal shit already.. it's the law.. we lost our chance with Romney and won't get another shot at it until 2016.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 16, 2014 07:31 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 07:31 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 16, 2014 07:31 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Lt. Col Hal Moore at January 16, 2014 07:32 AM (lZBBB)
If the GOP goes down the amnesty road, they're going to get slaughtered in 2014. I genuinely could see a 3rd Party rise up in response, which would mean Democrats would take back every branch of government and we'd be Venezuela in a few years.
I don't want to get comfortable and I want the heat to be put on, but I don't see an amnesty deal from the GOP house unless Boehner really is a Manchurian candidate that wants to throw Obama and Democrats a life preserver.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 07:32 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 07:32 AM (XaO9F)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (Y92Nd)
Has everyone gotten into their outrage yet? Some perspiration? Breathing audibly through your nose? Grinding teeth, visible vein on your forehead throbbing with your pulse?
Good. Wouldn't want any of you to go mellow or anything. That would be bad for business, both for AoSHQ and the Outrage Outlet.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - We Have the HRC Designer Vindictivenous Line Exclusively! at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Ficas Plant at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (cUARf)
Let me guess. Stern let him off the hook, huh?
Probably. That was just in the article I read about it.
Posted by: Adam at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Mega at January 16, 2014 07:33 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Lady in Black
You may be right. That, or dissolve America.
Posted by: backhoe at January 16, 2014 07:34 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 07:34 AM (XaO9F)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 16, 2014 07:34 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 16, 2014 07:34 AM (0HooB)
OK, I just realized this question is totally unrelated to the topic at hand.
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 07:34 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:34 AM (aDwsi)
Capture the Senate in 2014 to stop Obama! Battlecry!!
Why? Stop him from what? What are "we" stopping?
Stopping contributions will only stop lining the pockets of people like Karl Rove or the rest of the "consultant" class. They will stop nothing, because they are making money selling us cancer.
It is and always has been about who gets money to do what, and whatever they appear to be doing.
We're screwed and there is absolutely nothing of consequence we can do about it, unless we are ready to take up Jefferson's remedy as outlined in the Declaration of Independence.
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yeah, kinda.
I mean, if things stay as they are now, that is the only way back.
But, events are doing funny things lately.
We'll see.
Anyway, had a pre-paid large envelope from the GOP, left over solicitation from last year: Wrote, "Empty like your promises" on the inside and sent it back.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (+EVcO)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Ficas Plant at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (FNVzS)
Posted by: Killerdog at January 16, 2014 07:35 AM (otLZT)
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 07:36 AM (HjPtV)
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In Soviet America, journalists are people who don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 07:37 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2014 07:37 AM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 16, 2014 07:37 AM (RFeQD)
The repubs need obamacare as much as the lefties to, to continue to spend and take they way they've done for decades. They don't want to change the status quo because it is too good for them.
Need a new party.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 07:37 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 07:38 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 07:38 AM (FNVzS)
Posted by: Roy at January 16, 2014 07:39 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: GOPe at January 16, 2014 07:39 AM (1Y+hH)
I am not either and getting a little tired of the "us vs. us" stuff.
How about pretty much nobody wants Obamacare and would like it repealed and replaced with sensible measures.
How about pretty much nobody wants an amnesty bill or a threefold increase in legal unskilled workers, most of whom we would end up supporting with gobs of our existing and future tax money.
That's not exclusive to the "Tea Party".
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 07:39 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 16, 2014 07:39 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:40 AM (aDwsi)
How about pretty much nobody wants an amnesty bill or a threefold increase in legal unskilled workers, most of whom we would end up supporting with gobs of our existing and future tax money.
That's not exclusive to the "Tea Party".
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 11:39 AM (GGCsk)
How about you are pretty much bullshit.
Posted by: [/i]KG at January 16, 2014 07:40 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: blue star at January 16, 2014 07:41 AM (GJGsz)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD)
Obviously we need a fresh, new one. And one for Atlanta, as well....
Posted by: backhoe at January 16, 2014 07:41 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Morning relief at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (COglZ)
It all goes back to the media Marcus...
In a saner time the GOP or Democrat party could go one way or the other on Amnesty and Ogabecare and the American people would have crossed over based on that issue...
2012 proved the media can generate enough tribal noise to prevent it.
"Binders full of women" Sanfly Fluke's HooHoo
We're fucked...the Media runs the country not us and by *us* I mean the people not conservatives.
Ask Cindy Sheehan if the people run the Democrats or the Media.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (TE35l)
Mike, it's the tinyurl preview page. Click on 'proceed to this site' link. I double-checked and it worked.
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 07:42 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at January 16, 2014 07:43 AM (XsOa7)
That's not exclusive to the "Tea Party".
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 11:39 AM (GGCsk)
Uh, yeah it is. And if you don't support amnesty for Mexicans and Central Americans in this country you are a racist. And you're denying the GOP new voters ( said no one else except clueless GOP establishment types, ever).
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 07:43 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:43 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 07:43 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 07:44 AM (FNVzS)
Posted by: blaster at January 16, 2014 07:44 AM (W6bkf)
19: "There is NO way to assimilate that many people.... American culture will be done."
Perhaps we can just create our own barrios at that point and start making them press 1 for Spanish?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 16, 2014 07:44 AM (LJpVo)
How about EATADIK?
How is that for civilized?
Want to talk substance? We can do that. I prefer it.
Want to go medieval and uncivilized? Put on your MTV shithead.
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 07:44 AM (GGCsk)
“Obama was angry at the revelations, privately excoriating Mr. Snowden as a self-important narcissist”
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 07:45 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 07:45 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:45 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: toby928© at January 16, 2014 07:45 AM (QupBk)
That's more succinct.
My argument over at Tepid on NH's pot shit...
basically everybody wants their one cookie they do not want to address ANY structural issues....
I want Obamacare repealed not because it is poorly executed or badly done, I want it repealed because it is a government overreach that disrupts liberty as are all Federal interventions on the matter...
ah fuck it...why bother people like "JohnGalt23" will argue until the cows come home they are striking a blow against Wickard v Filburn when in fact they are doing no such thing.
Repealing Obamacare to "fix it" means I have less incentive to vote GOP...
GOP is pretty firmly establishing they have no interest in taking America back to Liberty and Constitutional Government.
They just want the keys to Obama's hot rod.
This gun's just about retired not for hire.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 07:46 AM (TE35l)
Gaylord, "How dare Snowden claim to be a narcissist!!! This country can only afford one and that one is me!"
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 07:46 AM (FNVzS)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:46 AM (aDwsi)
WHY? Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca
How much does the Chamber of Commerce-types really donate? Will it pay for a nasty primary, because that's what that $2,000 check is going to buy.
At the end of the day politicians need votes, not money. Those 30 pieces of silver are going to end a Republicans career. If Boehner really is the Manchurian candidate and he brings up something like the Senate bill, 90% plus of Republican House members will vote against it because they know they'll be a dead man walking in the next primary. And Boehner will no longer be Speaker.
I actually think the Chamber crowd is being played by not slamming the door in their face, they're seeing how much money they can get before they say no, but we'll just have to see who's going to get screwed, them or us. Even if a Republican politician had zero principles and was only looking out for themselves, the smart play would be "no" on ANY amnesty deal, even if it meant a little less money.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 07:46 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 07:46 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 07:47 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 16, 2014 07:47 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 07:48 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at January 16, 2014 07:48 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: maddogg at January 16, 2014 07:48 AM (xWW96)
I am pretty sure there is a healthy chunk of newly minted Independents who recently left the Republican Party in droves because they see this coming and don't trust what the party calls leadership to do what the voters want.
Republicans are counting on winning the Senate, which they probably will.
But anybody who thinks they will match Democrats scorched earth strategy to put this country back on track is smoking the cheeba.
Boehner and McConnell don't have a set of balls, spine or brain between them.
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 07:49 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:49 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 07:50 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 16, 2014 07:50 AM (plJvF)
http://tinyurl.com/lj7m9xu
From climate change.
How could I have been so wrong?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 07:50 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: F the GOP at January 16, 2014 07:50 AM (vYB+W)
Posted by: Internet Tough Guy at January 16, 2014 07:50 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 07:50 AM (VtjlW)
I mean, weren't those the laws that were passed because kindness and humanity? Because I seem to recall, rather distinctly, some representations and warranties being made in re: those laws and my mouth. Posted by: alexthechick
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If you read Vic's links in the morning thread, you would have found one that says the courts are dismissing as many as 25% of deportation cases on "prosecutorial discretion" grounds - mostly because the illegals have kids here that were automatically granted American citizenship.
WTF is wrong with this picture?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 16, 2014 07:51 AM (f9c2L)
Exactly the GOP is showing its willpower to thwart leviathan so well I may register democrat and either not vote or vote Democrat....
They are NOT passionate about why Obamacare is wrong, or rather they can't be.
Obamacare is wrong because they didn't make the Fascistic fusion with insurance efficient enough.
Being a registered D will let you breathe a bit easier and longer...
to get ready to fight when it implodes...assuming of course they don't go all Jolly Ole' England on us and import their new voters to the point of insanity...
but fuck it....nobody seems bothered enough to reestablish America the United States of America the nation that fought WW2....
the nation that settled the west?
Fuck that we want the gold blend of France's TOO hard Socialism and Hong Kong's old "too free" economy...
so "saving America" is not going to happen through political means and we lack the numbers and the will to force a long march infiltration to win it through lawfare...
Liberty is about 20 years from death by old age.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 07:51 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 16, 2014 07:52 AM (0FcyN)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 16, 2014 11:34 AM (Ec6wH)
hahahhahahhahah that sort of nails it in one hysterical sentence.
Posted by: think at January 16, 2014 07:52 AM (OroYa)
Posted by: Dr. Pug at January 16, 2014 07:52 AM (Qev5V)
Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2014 07:52 AM (u2a4R)
http://tinyurl.com/mlsshow
Who would begrudge Biden his $90k for entertainment?
No one! Am I right?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 07:53 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 07:53 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 16, 2014 07:53 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 07:54 AM (Y92Nd)
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That, and the management class dislikes competition and entrepreneurs. People who create new markets with new technologies that bypass the Big Gov-Big Business gateway. Can't have that.
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 07:54 AM (HjPtV)
No, I think you are wrong. Things are lining up for them to win big and have a majority.
And just like last time, they are too busy bending over for each other to keep it for long. They are already tying themselves in knots trying to be like Democrats-Lite again.
Notice anyone who oposses them is "extreme" and part of the "Tea Party"?
You know who invented that? Chuck Schumer.
And now Republicans have adopted the line of attack for people who are part of their own party.
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 07:54 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:54 AM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dr. Pug at January 16, 2014 07:55 AM (Qev5V)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at January 16, 2014 07:55 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 07:56 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 07:56 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 07:56 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 07:56 AM (aDwsi)
Spelunking we will go
Hi Ho the merrio
Spelunking we will go
*Battlecry of the GOP*
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 07:56 AM (wNF3N)
R's will probably keep the House...but just barely.
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Wherein they will think the reason they lost is because they haven't gone left enough. They'll continue going left and continue bleeding what support from conservatives they have left until the party implodes.
Posted by: Lady in Black at January 16, 2014 07:57 AM (Oa7B2)
Thanks for using the correct figure. I used to cover this at "Thunder on the border" at Free Republic and I believe about 30,000,000 is close to the real number.
Posted by: backhoe at January 16, 2014 07:57 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 07:57 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Roc Ingersol at January 16, 2014 11:52 AM (0FcyN)
You do realize that Paul Ryan has defended the cuts to retired military, right?
Posted by: [/i]KG at January 16, 2014 07:58 AM (p7BzH)
Posted by: MTF at January 16, 2014 07:58 AM (F58x4)
Posted by: Typical LIV at January 16, 2014 07:58 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: OW! at January 16, 2014 07:58 AM (1Y+hH)
I am a Republican at all because of Reagan intoning US Liberty and the founding.
Contrary to a deathbed conversion I had a playpen conversion essentially.
The GOP has willfully undermined his case and squandered its opportunity from 1994-2006 to undermine the structural integrity of the foundations of leviathan.
I did not leave the GOP(yet) but the GOP is leaving me.
The next time Paul Ryan says "elections have consequences" I am going to send 500 dollars to his district's Democrat Party because he SURE AS FUCK NEVER MADE THAT STICK WHEN BUSH WON and I am sick and fucking tired of his aiding the democrats in ATTACKING OUR FUCKING VETERANS AND MILITARY.
End of story..
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 07:59 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 07:59 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Typical LIV at January 16, 2014 07:59 AM (OZmbA)
17 trillion about to be 18 any day now....
//Rads giggling
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:00 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:00 AM (Y92Nd)
Once you pass a law that basically forbids deportations, it's amnesty in my book.
What some conservatives are naive about is the whole "we won't kick you out, but you're not citizens yet, and you have this application process, yada yada.
At that point it's over, unless the GOP wants to then make the case that Hispanics should remain 2nd class citizens. They'll be full blown citizens with an election cycle or two. Once you can't deport them for being here illegally, it's amnesty.
I don't have a problem per se with streamlining guest workers or making reforms to LEGAL immigration, but it's simply too dangerous to play with right now. And with our economy in the shitter and our still current jobs crisis, why are we even having the conversation about importing labor from abroad?
This is a perfect populist moment for Republicans to give the middle finger to greedy CEOs that simply want to fire their current workers and pay 3rd world wages.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 08:00 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:00 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: TommyVee at January 16, 2014 08:01 AM (GXOnG)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 16, 2014 08:01 AM (RFeQD)
Pot. Kettle.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:01 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 16, 2014 08:01 AM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:02 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:03 AM (t3UFN)
It's like over spending by a couple thousand dollars a month and deciding to cut back on Altoids. We're still on an unsustainable path.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of
doing algebra or something at January 16, 2014 11:55 AM (659DL)
Unless you're a veteran.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 08:03 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Typical LIV at January 16, 2014 08:03 AM (OZmbA)
I am right there with you. In fact, it is hard for me to even understand why I am still a registered Republican. I am one key vote or event from leaving for good.
People like Boehner and McConnell don't represent me. I don't even know who they represent besides themselves and other people that have been in Washington for too long.
And guys like Reince are just babbling tools.
Posted by: Marcus at January 16, 2014 08:03 AM (GGCsk)
I'm seriously thinking of voting Democrat for the first time in 42 years because, hey at least the Democrats are honest about what they're going to do (more or less. They still lie but you KNOW what they're going to do). I'm tired of hoping and hoping and then having my hopes dashed like, like, well like a Cubs Fan.
I might as well vote my own self interest (it'll only be temporary till the economy implodes) since the GOP is going to screw me while telling me that's not dick I feel in my ass but a mild discomfort and wait until we have a majority and THEN we'll fix EVERYTHING.
Nothing I'd like better than to see their shocked orange skin, white hair framed faces when they lose the House and sink into obscurity.
It's like in Wheel Of Time. Rand had to clear out the old seals and other detritus so that he could install a new and better one to keep the Dark One (Socialists/Progressives) imprisoned again.
Time to clear out the dead wood and since it's hard to tell who's who, then clear them all out. I don't have a decent Senator to vote for my Representative is a Democrat in disguise visited on me by the loss of a seat so this guy doesn't represent me, so screw 'em.
I apologize in advance to any of you all who are hurt or think you're hurt by my actions but I've just had enough. I want to hurt the GOP back for all the years it's screwed me.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 08:03 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:04 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: @JohnTant, now boasting a Clinton Disloyalty Index of 6 at January 16, 2014 08:04 AM (PFy0L)
The GOP has been a con game since impeachment.
I have wasted about well I don't want to brag or rather broadcast the depths of my idiocy.
Let's just say I could have paid for my son's technical school desires rather easily had I been more discerning.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:04 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 16, 2014 08:04 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 08:05 AM (XaO9F)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:05 AM (nUH8H)
He doesn't *have* to. He could take Amtrak like Joe Biden. Intercontinental railroad!
O_o
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 08:05 AM (ZKzrr)
>>As a lefty peering into the conservative echo chamber,
Needed a break from the Lefty echo chamber? And tell me, how many disparate voices in these relative echo chambers? Because I only hear one voice and its million echoes from the Left.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 16, 2014 08:06 AM (s/yC1)
Posted by: chiefjaybob at January 16, 2014 08:06 AM (DdBwm)
I do enjoy playing with my ass. Until mommy comes downstairs and catches me, then it gets awkward.
Posted by: TommyVeeeeee at January 16, 2014 08:07 AM (Aif/5)
The local talk radio show used to have a Liberal caller- not really a bad sort-- whose sign off was "don't vote- it only encourages them...."
He might have been right after all.
Posted by: backhoe at January 16, 2014 08:07 AM (ULH4o)
LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ohbhz5g
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 08:07 AM (HjPtV)
Hey fuckstick it already has failed you shithead.
You built a fucking bomb retard.
Are you so HOT to have the power of life and death over us or is it that you seem unable to grasp that EVERYWHERE IT IS IN PLAY is on the Liverpool Pathway?
If you answer that "the state" has the power to Kill that way, I would like to suggest you ponder that in this Country the State is the people....
I will happily await that idiocy to start taking its bodycount...
the Death Panelists will be in WitSec.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:07 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: GOPe at January 16, 2014 08:08 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:08 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:08 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Typical LIV at January 16, 2014 08:08 AM (OZmbA)
Wow. Thanks for those words of concerned wisdom. I have decided to drop all opposition to 404Care immediately and embrace the suck.
On second thought, go suck an egg.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 08:08 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2014 08:09 AM (U1Tts)
Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2014 08:09 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2014 08:10 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 08:10 AM (OCBPC)
Posted by: BuddyPC at January 16, 2014 08:11 AM (jfUIE)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 08:11 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: GOPe at January 16, 2014 08:11 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Cicero at January 16, 2014 08:12 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2014 08:12 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 08:12 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:12 AM (RD7QR)
Today's Distracting Scandalª, until Academy Award nominations are announced, is Air Force Nukegate.
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Some good snark from Dennis Miller:
Trust me, before this is over Hillary will explain away the lack of reinforcements in Benghazi on traffic on the George Washington Bridge.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 08:12 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:13 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for C.W. McCall at January 16, 2014 08:13 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:13 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Biffo Boffo at January 16, 2014 08:14 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 16, 2014 08:14 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: BuddyPC at January 16, 2014 08:14 AM (jfUIE)
Posted by: toby928© at January 16, 2014 08:15 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: SangreTheBold at January 16, 2014 08:15 AM (iQSE6)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2014 08:15 AM (U1Tts)
I know cats with a better grasp of reality. And they think I'm one of them.
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 08:15 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 08:16 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: boned to the bone at January 16, 2014 08:16 AM (Ph479)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2014 08:17 AM (U1Tts)
I know cats with a better grasp of reality. And they think I'm one of them.
What's hilarious is that he seems to think the left has no echo chamber and is, in fact, a group of soooooper genius independent thinkers.
Which is - quite obviously - how we get statements like, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:18 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Let's see how this works at January 16, 2014 08:18 AM (vgIRn)
Posted by: chiefjaybob at January 16, 2014 12:06 PM
And there you have it, though I no longer believe the Party Not in Power even exists. The lords in D.C. are looking out for themselves, big donors and their tight pals, in that order. The rest of us? Fuggedaboutit.
Scratch any member of Congress and you'll find a greedy, amoral thug. They are nearly identical in their beliefs; some play the part of "opponents" from time to time, but are reading from a well-worn script full of cliches, excuses and weasel words.
And they are able to act this way with impunity. There are no consequences for immoral or illegal behavior; the worst they can expect for malfeasance is a gentle rebuke from the Poppin' Fresh crowd in the media, or, in extreme case, a mild rebuke from Teh Conservative Press.
I have no faith that the situation will improve in our lifetimes. No one will stand up against the lords in D.C., not courts, law-enforcement personnel at any level, not patriotic citizens. The deck is stacked, so completely that it would require some very unpleasant actions -- of a sort for which no one has the nerve -- to unseat the ruling class.
In short, it WILL "burn," but the satisfaction our Komputer Kommandoes expect to feel when the system collapses around the greedheads currently in power will be replaced by pain and fear when they realize the fire will engulf them as well.
Posted by: MrScribbler at January 16, 2014 08:18 AM (ff7/5)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (U1Tts)
Posted by: John McCain at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: toby928© at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (QupBk)
Which is - quite obviously - how we get statements like, "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."
We're losing 500 million jobs a week, we have to pass a stimulus bill!!!
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (nUH8H)
Indeed it does. Indeed it does.
That homogeneity has a positive knock on effect when it comes to implementing social policy.
Or, in words the troll can understand:
"We're not Switzerland."
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:19 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: The GOP at January 16, 2014 08:20 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2014 08:20 AM (AskuI)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 08:20 AM (OCBPC)
It's a little like talking about what you're going to do when you find out your wife has been sleeping with your best friend, even though it hasn't happened.
People are talking about sitting out elections, starting a 3rd party, or actually voting Democrat like it's a done deal.
I'm all for keeping up positive pressure to do the right thing, but if the GOP gets the idea that conservatives want nothing to do with them, I don't see them moving to the right, I see them going to the left and pursue a different coalition.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 08:20 AM (8TkX9)
You probably thought that because it was written in Greek.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:21 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 16, 2014 08:21 AM (RFeQD)
Here I was thinking the Iliad was written in Greek.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 12:20 PM (OCBPC)
Quiet. He's on a roll.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:21 AM (RD7QR)
Hey, don't judge us 'til you've had us.
Posted by: A Sock at January 16, 2014 08:21 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: boned to the bone at January 16, 2014 08:22 AM (Ph479)
220 -
I can't imagine anyone who has been forced to study Latin would not prefer to make love to a sock... unless... you've never made love to a sock before, in which case, you should try it. Boy are you in for a surprise.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2014 08:22 AM (TOk1P)
The only way to attempt to achieve conservative goals (in the near term) is to move the GOP to the right. The only way to move the GOP to the right is to prove to the GOP that it will lose elections if it betrays conservatives. The only way to prove that point is for conservatives to go on a general strike and sit out the 2014 mid-terms and allow a lot of GOP candidates to lose.
Otherwise, you are just deluding yourself in thinking that any of the following will ever happen in our lifetimes:
1. Repeal of Obamacare;
2. Lowering spending;
3. Entitlement reform; or
4. Preventing amnesty
All 4 of the above are things the GOP absolutely does not want to do. And, if we reward the GOP with our efforts, money and/or votes, they will believe they can get away with doing the opposite of these 4 things.
History shows us that the GOP will never do 2 or 3 unless we put the fear of God into them. And bitching and moaning on blogs does not do that. Calling their offices does not do that. The only thing that will change GOP behavior is a lesson that conservatives aren't playing their game anymore.
Number 4 above is a given that GOP wants to do the opposite. How do we know this? Because, despite promises in almost EVERY SINGLE GOP incumbents' last few campaigns, the GOP leadership and GOP caucus desperately wants to pass an amnesty. They have made that crystal clear. We have had outrage, millions of phone calls, and mass protests against this every time they tried to do it - yet they still are attempting to do it. Why? because they do not believe it will cost them any conservative votes at election. Prove them wrong.
Number 1 is also pretty much a given that the GOP will not repeal Obamacare. Both Boehner and McConell have made statements making it pretty clear that they do not intend to repeal Obamacare, just fix it. As they are the GOP leaders in congress, that means that is the GOP's actual position - regardless of what any single candidate claims or any fund-raising letter claims. And, they are going to do this because again, they don't believe it will cost them any conservative votes to NOT repeal Obamacare. Again, we must prove them wrong.
If we simply help more republicans get elected and help inumbents get re-eleccted, no matter what you argue, you are sending the message to the GOP that they can do what they are telling us and showing us they are going to do, which is:
1. NOT repeal Obamacare;
2. NOT lower spending;
3. Not reform entitlements;
4. Pass amnesty.
The GOP could not make its position on these things more clear if they held you down and spit in your face. Yet you - conservatives - continue to support the GOP and vote for it, claiming that "at least they are not as bad as democrats".
But you are wrong. The GOP is worse because it gives a "conservative" imprint on the liberal messes, making it that much harder to convince low information voters that conservatism makes sense. Without republican involvement, we could at least lay the various messes at the feet of liberalism. But the Republicans make that difficult because they give so much cover to liberal idiocy.
I know the regulars will come on and tell me how stupid I am and how treasonous and that the best way to make progress is to keep doing what we've always done, because this time it will be different and the republicans will do something worthwhile if we just have faith. that is a really, really dumb argument that is not based on any facts. Indeed, all facts actually support my argument. There is no factual evidence that the GOP has any intention of ever pursuing any conservative agenda. All evidence points in exactly the opposite direction. Yet the same people will ridicule me and tell you that supporting the GOP is our only option. Does that really make sense to those of you who can think?
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 16, 2014 08:22 AM (sOx93)
You, ummmm....you got lotion, right?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:22 AM (JpC1K)
"No one will lose in the general election because they are too soft on immigration"
That just may be the stupidest fucking thing I've read in a while. Why oh why are we taking advice from the National fucking Journal?? I would follow Ted Cruz's advice much much more closely.
If GOP estab. thinks that, then they are truly retarded.
And you can hope for more "gun control" in VA now that we have Terry at the helm. Hope all that anal fucking was worth it for the smear artists that down Ken C.'s campaign.
Yay!!
Posted by: prescient11 at January 16, 2014 08:22 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (OCBPC)
Posted by: The GOP at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Let's See How This Works at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: boned to the bone
Look, we're competing against these guys. We're winning.
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 12:20 PM (8TkX9)
Gee, Gus. That leg is mighty infected but we gonna wait and see if it gets any worse. Maybe a drink of kool aid will help....
Posted by: maddogg at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (xWW96)
::: looks up from his 500 Latin verbs textbook :::
Huh?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:23 AM (JpC1K)
Problem is, you're expecting logic. Media will spin that the Tea Party drove away GOP voters and the GOPe will believe it.
Posted by: A Sock at January 16, 2014 08:24 AM (OZmbA)
"The GOP: We're the only thing standing between the Democrats and a REAL opposition party!"
Posted by: Kasper in Arrears..... at January 16, 2014 08:24 AM (HqpV0)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:25 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:25 AM (nUH8H)
http://is.gd/uYDKZA
It was originally invented to make use of a waste product.
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 08:25 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: A Sock at January 16, 2014 08:25 AM (OZmbA)
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Look at the "poll" the conjured up saying Christie hasn't lost any support.
That thing has establishment Gentry GOP fingerprints all over it.
They'll latch onto slim reeds like that and ignore the oak tree of opposition to their policies.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 16, 2014 08:25 AM (VjL9S)
http://is.gd/uYDKZA
It was originally invented to make use of a waste product.
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 12:25 PM (ZKzrr)
I always thought it was a petroleum byproduct. I wonder who the first person to eat it was?
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:26 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: wth at January 16, 2014 08:26 AM (wAQA5)
It depends on if we get the deal the Soviets had with the world when it dies.
The states will likely have to rely on resource exploitation and wages will have to fall...
Nobody is saying Let It Burn is fun...the Soviets who became Russians or "whatever" had a REALLY bad go of it...
the trick is trying to get out before the world reserve currency changes....
which since EUtopia Dollars are being demanded more than US Dollars may be "soon"...
"thanks 52%"
FUCK I HATE THEM
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:26 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: A Sock at January 16, 2014 08:26 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 08:27 AM (OCBPC)
Posted by: Let's see how this works
You should try reading Hamlet in the original Klingon next.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 16, 2014 08:27 AM (nZiT2)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:27 AM (lZBBB)
bibo
bibere
bibi
bibitum
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:28 AM (JpC1K)
Everyone in those countries works for the government, even if they are privately employed. The taxes are enormous. They get to keep a fraction of their salary. Plus everyone gets a free college education. They have no debts and medical care and education and jobs. And their governments won't let you come into the country unless you are taking a job no natural born citizen will do.
Libs always only see what they want to see.
Posted by: think at January 16, 2014 08:28 AM (OroYa)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 16, 2014 08:28 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 08:29 AM (LSDdO)
Correct...until maybe when the welfare checks stop...
Who the hell knows?
If they keep the game going another 30 years there is almost no chance we get anything looking like the Republic back...
the last people who have ANY idea of what a powerful US was are aged 40 or so now.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:29 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:29 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: Let's See How This Works at January 16, 2014 08:29 AM (Aif/5)
That's because reality harshes their mellow.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:29 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 12:20 PM (8TkX9)
As opposed to what? What they are doing now? You seem to believe the GOP is currently pursuing any conservative agenda. That is wrong. Show me the conservative agenda being currently pursued by actions - not words - by the GOP.
Where have they cut spending? (I Know - they don't control everything so that means they HAVE to vote to increase spending. Also, from 2000 - 2006 they controlled everything and they increased spending. So, when they don't control everything, they increase spending and when they do control everything they increase spending. But somehow, they are conservative?)
It is pretty clear they are going to ram amnesty through. So there is that.
This idea that if we just have faith and support the GOP no matter what is delusional.
And, if they "move left to form a different coalition" doesn't that just prove that none of these people are remotely conservative in the first place? Which, ultimately, proves the point. If their default to conservative anger at them betraying conservatives is to move left - then isn't that telling us something?
Posted by: monkeytoe at January 16, 2014 08:29 AM (sOx93)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 08:30 AM (XaO9F)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 16, 2014 08:30 AM (XO6WW)
OUTSTANDING!
That's at least 4 more wins for the Patriots.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:30 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:30 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 08:31 AM (XaO9F)
On reflection, the 47% comment was very offensive in that it exposed how fucked up the establishment GOP's thinking is.
The concept of low taxes and balanced budgets appeals to people who right now don't make enough to pay taxes. I mean, don't they dream of making enough money to pay taxes??
Conservative principles are true and correct because they are INHERENTLY true and correct.
By pitching a low tax and balanced budget philosophy, or apparently pitching it to those people, to only the people that actually pay taxes, we are cheapening our message and makes the whole thing sound self interested.
No wonder we lost in 2012. Where was our dream? Where was our hope? Where was our principle? Let's hope that is rekindled and actually represented this time around.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 16, 2014 08:31 AM (tVTLU)
Even the astronomy threads! j/k
Posted by: Biffo Boffo at January 16, 2014 08:31 AM (YmPwQ)
Humm, I don't know ... that gona require people with a pair.
Posted by: Paladin at January 16, 2014 08:31 AM (4kpbt)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 08:32 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 16, 2014 08:32 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 08:32 AM (XaO9F)
Posted by: Begonia at January 16, 2014 11:24 AM (HjPvx)
This deserves a succint response.
Fuck.
You.
RINO.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 08:33 AM (zF6Iw)
These questions should not even be raised. There should be no room for doubt about repealing ObamacideCare, holding firm against amnesty. Stupid GOP leadership.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2014 08:33 AM (BAS5M)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 08:33 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:33 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2014 08:33 AM (AskuI)
Might be a mistranslation from the original Faroese.
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 08:33 AM (ZKzrr)
Compromise on procedure is fine, Compromise on Principals is not. And good men & women know the difference.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at
One thing - what are your principals?
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (xFg3I)
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Does a RINO shit, well, everywhere?
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (7ObY1)
===
The King's Party gambit. Pledge fealty - receive your fief.. First recorded, I'm sure, on a Sumerian clay tablet.
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (HjPtV)
Right "get America back to working and producing" is not a dream...
Hopium is a communist thing not an American one...scratch that....
Hopium is an American thing not an economic liberty one.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (TE35l)
Mel? Is that you?
Posted by: Oksana Grigorieva[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (fWAjv)
Pathetic.
Posted by: Formerly loyal commenter at January 16, 2014 12:31 PM (NYnoe)
He's onto us. Might as well just reveal that Red State bought the site and replaced all the real commentators with A.I. sub-routines.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth AKA 10001000111011011 at January 16, 2014 08:34 AM (Q9qpj)
285 -
Right. The astronomy threads don't leave a rage headache, just a slightly ill feeling from all the bong smoke CAC brings with him.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (TOk1P)
You dont beat them by running away from the party. On the Republican side that does NOT mean leaving the party! It means throwing out the bastages in primaries and throwing tantrums that get the RINOs careers ended.
Effectively the counterculture leftist agenda has become the establishment status quo and if you want to defeat it you have to throw a spanner in the machine. The leftists own the Democrats and have been wheedling to neuter the the GOP. Thanks to RINOs like McCain, they have made inroads.
It's why the left hates the Tea Party. They dont mind a pet poodle other party, but they hate ideological competition because, lets face it, leftism is stupidity on meth with a bad hair day.
There are only 3 things that matter in Congress right now:
The Budget, Amnesty/immigration, and obamacare.
Lamer Alexander, Lindsey Grahamnesty, Thad Cochran, Mitch, etc.
These guys are 0 for 3. Take 'em out.
Fix the GOP by defeating anyone who is wrong on any of those 3 items.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (nZiT2)
Tell me 3 things the Republicans have done to give us any surety- even any hint of surety- that they won't sell us out.
We're talking like they've already sold us out because we have reason to believe they have. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It.
On what issue? ObamaCare?
How about he fact that every single elected Republican in Congress voted against it? How many repeal bills has the House passsed? What about the government shutdown that absolutely destroyed themselves in the polls and actually made ObamaCare more popular? That's not enough?
ObamaCare is not going to be repealed as long as Obama is President. Unless you expect a coup, that's the way our government was set up. If you want things to change, you win elections.
If you want to start a new party, just go ahead and move forward with that. Quit bitching and start it. I think many conservatives just want some sort of pity party or groveling more than they actually want to change things. Start voting for some ridiculous 3rd party dingbats that want to run Christine O'Donnell type campaigns that way you'll never be disappointed.
I happen to think our problem is Democrats in power that passed ObamaCare. Conservative blowhard opinion makers however want to blame ObamaCare on stuff they imagine Republicans might do. Oh, and make sure you buy my newsletter and buy a ticket to my event where we can discuss how much we hate Republicans.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (8TkX9)
How can we miss ALM if he never goes away?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 11:36 AM (HjPtV)
You meant the quitter? You betcha!
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (xFg3I)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:35 AM (t3UFN)
Hillary isn't even going to win the Dem nomination.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2014 08:36 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 16, 2014 08:36 AM (7ObY1)
Hey, could you rotate the pod bay doors?
Posted by: Sean Bannion v8.2[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (xNEka)
That should be "who are your principals", and I'm not sure the gov't skrewl unions are going to be much help.
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 12:36 PM (XUKZU)
Thread winner.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Lets see how this works at January 16, 2014 08:37 AM (Aif/5)
Hillary isn't even going to win the Dem nomination.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2014 12:36 PM (B/VB5)
The debates will be a hoot though, especially if Slow Joe runs. At this point I'm just going to eat popcorn and watch the whole thing burn.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:38 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 16, 2014 08:38 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth AKA 10001000111011011 at January 16, 2014 08:38 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: AoS Dept. of Concern at January 16, 2014 08:39 AM (Dwehj)
Interesting how often the progg callbacks ring out through the "conservative echo chamber."
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 08:39 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:39 AM (lZBBB)
Which was the real reason for Rove's famous crying tantrum on FNC on election night - reality had just dealt his "knowing best" what would usually be a knockout blow.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2014 08:39 AM (B/VB5)
http://www.ufunk.net/en/artistes/diddo-ecce-animal/
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 08:39 AM (FNVzS)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 08:40 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:40 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: TommyVee at January 16, 2014 08:40 AM (GXOnG)
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When the Iliad was written, Rome was just just a few huts around around a crossroad. They didn't even have pizza.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 08:40 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:40 AM (Y92Nd)
I think many conservatives just want some sort of pity party or groveling more than they actually want to change things. Start voting for some ridiculous 3rd party dingbats that want to run Christine O'Donnell type campaigns that way you'll never be disappointed.
Well, shit damn, Cletus! Our plan done got EX-posed!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 08:40 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:41 AM (t3UFN)
Interesting how often the progg callbacks ring out through the "conservative echo chamber."
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 12:39 PM (ZKzrr)
Exaaaaaactly
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 08:41 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: FAP-9000 at January 16, 2014 08:41 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:41 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (A7zvX)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (XaO9F)
The crazy LiB nonsense, the intra-party fights and the incitement to party-disunity by the nutty fringe have to stop or you will deliver America to Hillary on a silver platter!
Posted by: Begonia at January 16, 2014 11:24 AM (HjPvx)
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You mean like the way the GOP Establishment delivered Virginia to McAuliffe on a silver platter?
Is that what you mean?
The reality is that you demand that conservatives kneel down and blow the Establishment out of party loyalty, yet when the kneepads are on the other legs, you fuckhead douchenozzles are nowhere to be found.
Posted by: @JohnTant, now boasting a Clinton Disloyalty Index of 6 at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (LSJmV)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (xNEka)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 12:40 PM (XUKZU)
I thought the Iliad and the Odyssey were recited orally by Homer (don't tell Bawney Fwank) and later recorded (in I know not what language).
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 12:40 PM (OZmbA)
I've found that even if you don't know Peruvian, you can still understand the intent of the author with a basic knowledge of Patagonian.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (BZAd3)
Just finished reading the Iliad in the original Latin. You? You just made love to a sock.
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Bastard! BASTARD!!
**weeps, looks for chocolate**
Posted by: The Toaster at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:42 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 12:39 PM (lZBBB)
Romney's response to the "binders of women" kerfluffle similarly should have been.
"Yeah. I got a little tongue-tied there, huh? But it's not like I called them Corpsemen, or thought Austrian was an actual language, or that the U.S. had 57 states, huh?
So, yeah, I got tongue tied. Happens to all of us. At least I an operate an umbrella."
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:43 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 08:43 AM (FNVzS)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2014 08:44 AM (A7zvX)
Posted by: Mike Castle at January 16, 2014 08:44 AM (YmPwQ)
True. And highly likely.
Posted by: joncelli, predenounced for your pleasure at January 16, 2014 08:44 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: TommyVee at January 16, 2014 12:40 PM (GXOnG)
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If you're going to be a troll, at least use linebreaks.
As for your posts, I've met puddles with more depth than you.
Posted by: @JohnTant, now boasting a Clinton Disloyalty Index of 6 at January 16, 2014 08:44 AM (PFy0L)
"As a lefty peering into the conservative echo chamber, the blind confidence on the right that ACA would fail always seemed strange to me."
You need to learn something. Like how evil, backward, stupid and wrong leftism is. And the fact that is NOT what conservatives were saying. It's never been considered a slam-dunk that the bill would repeal itself. On the contrary, it's been understood that this ACA would be like a case of Herpes. A dreadful experience that we cant get rid of. Hence Ted Cruz. Hence the urgency to have a Republican leadership that WILL repeal for real as soon as possible. 2015 is a possibility if we had a leadership with the Cohones to put it on Obama's desk and make it the price of continued cooperation on ANYTHING ELSE.
"Now US insurance executives have high confidence that ACA will work out in actuarial terms"
Never did and never will in reality - it will cost $2 trillion over ten years. Killing jobs and ripping off millions plus throwing hundreds of billions in taxes... AND ripping off the young and healthy. all to keep the spinning top working. It's as stable as a
"With around 9 million people already covered by ACA (Medicaid plus private plus renewed policies meeting ACA regs) "
of course the dependency crowd have constructed their captive audience, enslaved enough to the chains of dependency to avoid actually FIXING things to be better for all. Meanwhile, 100 million losing what they had. Covered by a bad system that costs too much, and ruins the freedom, choice, innovation and cost-effectiveness we deserve.
We can do WAY better. leftists lack imagination in their dislike of freedom.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 08:44 AM (oNqbW)
When I was in the 82d, we had an exchange with the Greek airborne battalion.
Did you know that their motto is "Never leave your
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:45 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 12:34 PM (xFg3I)
My Country right or wrong. And take it from there
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 12:35 PM (t3UFN)
Then you must be supporting Obama.
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 08:46 AM (xFg3I)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2014 08:46 AM (0cMkb)
307 -
This is completely and utterly false: "What about the government shutdown that absolutely destroyed themselves in the polls and actually made ObamaCare more popular?"
Don't worry, cupcake. You're going to get your wish. No more pesky conservatives around to mess up your party. Congrats on that.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 16, 2014 08:46 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:46 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:47 AM (t3UFN)
Your MOM was a quitter last night.
Gave me 2 blowjobs and then she went home. To the trailer.
Not saying she's trash but she had a tattoo on her back said BFI.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 08:47 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 08:47 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:47 AM (Y92Nd)
When The Davinci Code was playing, a local radio DJ pulled a prank on the other theater goers by pretending to take a cell phone call during a VERY PIVOTAL scene where Hanks' character explains the female character's family background. During that scene, the DJ (very loudly) tells the caller on the phone that he can't take his call right now because he was just about at the part where it's revealed that she's the descendent of Jesus Christ.
Hahahaha!
Posted by: EC at January 16, 2014 08:48 AM (GQ8sn)
I think many conservatives just want some sort of pity party or groveling more than they actually want to change things.
Posted by: McAdams
Truly, at times one longs for a brave revolutionary like Lamar Alexander to sweep clean the corridors of power as would the mighty Heracles cleanse the Augean Stables....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 16, 2014 08:48 AM (kdS6q)
"Now US insurance executives have high confidence that ACA will work
out in actuarial terms"
Worth exactly Jack and Squat.
NASA senior managers had high confidence in Challenger's 1986 launch in spite of naysaying from Morton-Thikoll engineers saying it was too cold.
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2014 08:49 AM (BAS5M)
Wrong! The Left loves the Tea Party. The Tea Party gives such wonderful candidates as the dopey broad who said she was not a witch in Delaware, the ding bat who lost to Harry Reid in Nevada and the fool who tripped on his own cock in Indiana who could not answer a reap/abortion question.
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 08:49 AM (xFg3I)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 08:49 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: 10,000 Bogus Ethics Complaints at January 16, 2014 08:49 AM (Q9qpj)
Truly, at times one longs for a brave revolutionary like Lamar Alexander to sweep clean the corridors of power as would the mighty Heracles cleanse the Augean Stables....
Oh! Oh!
Moving up quickly on the inside for Thread Winner.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:49 AM (JpC1K)
ANY legal status is ipso facto AMNESTY.
If any Republican supports this but opposes 'amnesty' they are two-talking us.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 08:49 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 08:50 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 08:51 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: toby928© at January 16, 2014 08:51 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 08:51 AM (Y92Nd)
Robots to Build Homes on Moon?
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Good thing, too. We don't want those bucket butts down here.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 08:51 AM (XUKZU)
There is no attempt to try to address why this letting of millions of welfare leeches will some how benefit the U.S.
There is no attempt to prove why it's a great idea to increase the amount of competition for good jobs during a severe recession.
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That's easy. Adding millions of welfare leeches will artificially increase GDP, and keeping the economy from recovery is a time-tested way to keep power in DC - See, Roosevelt, Franklin.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2014 08:52 AM (AskuI)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 08:52 AM (nUH8H)
You couldn't tell by the plethora of logical fallacies?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:52 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 12:26 PM (HjPtV)
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Spitto, spittere, hactui, splat
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 16, 2014 08:52 AM (OtQXp)
http://tinyurl.com/kdkjan3
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 08:52 AM (FNVzS)
Your MOM was a quitter last night.
Gave me 2 blowjobs and then she went home. To the trailer.
Not saying she's trash but she had a tattoo on her back said BFI.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 12:47 PM (LSDdO)
Where did you get that witticism from - Mark Foghorn Levin? It sounds as if you are describing Bristol Palin. Btw St. Sarah of Wassila did quit the governorship and she did go down to Arizona and campaigned for John McCain's re-election. So much for her lofty principles.
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 08:52 AM (xFg3I)
I wonder. That algorithm (stay home) dont work. You get more Dems, and the losing GOPers decide to move ... LEFT.
Better solution:
1. Kick every RINO you can out of office in the primaries.
2. Vote Republican in the fall AND
3. MOST IMPORTANT - harrass them mercilessly to do what YOU want them to do.
We all know that Democrats wake up everyday and ask themselves:
"What can we do to make life worse for American taxpayers, working family folks, rich people and conservatives?" and they go do that.
If the answer is letting more Democrats win office, its a stupid question.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 08:53 AM (oNqbW)
throwing out the bastages in primaries and throwing tantrums that get
the RINOs careers ended.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 12:35 PM (oNqbW)
That's exactly what everybody says. But the game is rigged and it isn't just individuals in the parties who have done the rigging. The entire game is rigged in favor of incumbents and for those who go along and do what they are told by the incumbent old timers. The parties both operate the same way and they scratch each others back. Trying to work within the established parties is a pipe dream, imo. There's nothing sacred about the Republican party and there shouldn't be. If party loyalty were so necessary, Lincoln would have never been elected.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 08:53 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Insurance Company Executives at January 16, 2014 08:53 AM (Q9qpj)
Vashta: i wouldn't count on that.
As for Erick Erickson, I didn't like a lot of what he wrote previously, but he has been headed the right direction lately.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 16, 2014 08:54 AM (tVTLU)
Common mistake.
They only watch the cartoon in their head that they like the best.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:54 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:55 AM (lZBBB)
What could possibly go wrong? Oh wait the Karl Marx robot #01010101 leads a revolution declaring Luna a Robot Homeland and aims a laser beam at DC.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 16, 2014 08:55 AM (FNVzS)
Now now Froggy. Don't take it personal.
We just don't like your kind around here.
Do you really think most of us CARE what you think about . . OH
ANYTHING AT ALL?
Froggy went a trolling and he did go ribbit, ribbit.
Froggy went a trolling and he did go . . SPLAT!
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 08:55 AM (LSDdO)
My Country right or wrong. And take it from there
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 12:35 PM (t3UFN)
Then you must be supporting Obama.
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 12:46 PM (xFg3I)
"My country! May she always be in the right, but my country, right or wrong!"
Posted by: The Toaster at January 16, 2014 08:55 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 16, 2014 08:56 AM (5ikDv)
Tell me how Republicans are representing my interests. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It.
This is just such a stupid form of reasoning. I guess a GOP Congressman also could have brought a gun to the floor and started shooting people. They're practically traitors for not doing it.
The Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate with 60 votes. And the White House. ObamaCare passed comfortably in both chambers and the President signed it. Every Republican voted against it. That's the process in the our Constitution.
I remember a VERY vigorous opposition by the GOP, one that led to the Republicans taking back the House in 2010 and Ted Kennedy's seat going to a Republican.
Again, if you want to believe that Republicans secretly want socialized medicine, just start voting for the "Constitution Party" or write in random names when you go in the voting booth.
I know that our best shot to get rid of ObamaCare is throwing Democrats out of office. I will believe that until I see otherwise. If I saw a substantial amount of Republicans voting against repeal or voted FOR ObamaCare when it came up, I could see the point, but that's simply not the case.
Why do you vote Republican if you actually believe they are just lying to you?
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 08:56 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: Insurance Company Executives at January 16, 2014 08:56 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 08:56 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 16, 2014 08:56 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 08:56 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:57 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 08:57 AM (t3UFN)
Section 8-bit housing?
Posted by: Count de Monet
Well played sir....
Posted by: ASK21 at January 16, 2014 08:58 AM (hppbQ)
If you try to resist, it just hurts more.
Posted by: Felicia Favarens at January 16, 2014 08:58 AM (FG6ys)
This "new" GOP plan for "amnesty" doesn't even sound like it requires legislation .. it's actually a PR campaign.
Pointing out to illegals that they are eliglable for a Green Card is really all it is. Use the system, especially while the current Administration is less liely to deport you (is that ture?).
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 16, 2014 08:58 AM (9eNG/)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 08:58 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: mrp at January 16, 2014 12:51 PM (HjPtV)
Dream on, she would not even win her home state of Alaska if she ran for the Senate. If she was such a fighter how come she did not fight for her job as Governor and why did she not run in 2016?
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 08:58 AM (xFg3I)
Cave on Amnesty? You Betcha!
(late to thread but I posted this last night.)
Excerpt from Letter from ATT CEO*
"Immigration Reform: AmericaÂ’s unique competitive
advantage has always been its abilityto attract the best talent.
Congress should fix the broken immigration system to create alarger
pool of visas for higher-skilled workers, enact a new visa system for
lower-skilledworkers, offer a path forward for undocumented workers
already living in the UnitedStates, and allocate greater resources to
strengthen enforcement and secure our borders.Done right, reform can
increase our economic growth rate, reduce our deficit, andcontribute
significantly to AmericaÂ’s future."
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 16, 2014 08:58 AM (5ikDv)
I remember a VERY vigorous opposition by the GOP, one that led to the Republicans taking back the House in 2010 and Ted Kennedy's seat going to a Republican.
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You seem to conflate electoral wins by republicans with policy wins by conservatives. I see no correlation.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (AskuI)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 12:52 PM (nUH8H)
No need to. Democrats support the wanton, indiscriminate murder of children. If you didn't, Abortion Barbie would be hiding in her house for fear of lynching by an outraged populace.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 12:56 PM (8TkX9)
Maybe some of the people here no longer vote Republican.
And why do you dismiss the notion of forcing the Obamacare bill to be read, in its entirety, on the floor?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (DrC22)
The idea here is that the GOP not receive proportional representation to its contribution to the GOP and "shut the fuck up or DONKEY DONKEY!"
Ok, not a fucking problem.
You "Super Moderates" show us what a conservativeless GOP can get done...
because "Donkey Donkey" is happening anyway.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (TE35l)
If you try to resist, it just hurts more.
Posted by: Felicia Favarens at January 16, 2014 12:58 PM (FG6ys)
After all, it's not RAPE rape.
Posted by: Whoopie at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (OZmbA)
Posted by: Couch Humper at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (Aif/5)
Somebody else mentioned that raising dogs and children aren't all that different, which I agree with. Both are a cause/effect/reward system.
The training instructor for the class said to bring our dogs hungry.
They have to "work" for the treats to learn anything.
It's also important not to over-treat the behavior.
Which makes me wonder if numerous small contributions to a puppy-politician as opposed to a complete meal from the PAC isn't the more effective way to go.
Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 16, 2014 08:59 AM (3Tv+N)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 09:00 AM (lZBBB)
You know what's green and smells like shit?
YOU DO!!!!
Is Mark Levin who you listen to to imagine how real conservatives talk and act?
Bad Froggy, Bad Froggy.
Here let me heat your bath water for you.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 09:00 AM (LSDdO)
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So I can feel good about my "fuck you" to the VA GOP? Excellent.
Posted by: physics geek at January 16, 2014 09:01 AM (X7MMs)
I would double down on the 47% comment merely to state that it is shameful that almost half of the country doesn't make enough money to pay taxes.
The principle, however, that people who don't pay taxes won't care about conservative messaging, is as far off as I can imagine.
A shit ton of those people who don't make enough to pay taxes are our fucking people, our voters. That was my big problem with Romney's statement and this kind of thinking.
It's as if we don't even know who our own voters are. Reagan knew and knew what principles he believed in. GWB lost the popular vote to fucking Al Gore.
Look RINOs, we've gone your way since '88. Time to give the reins back to the conservatives again and we can win some elections.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 16, 2014 09:01 AM (tVTLU)
"ObamaCare is not going to be repealed as long as Obama is President."
What could be done: Put the Upton or similar 'you gt to keep it' bill on the President's desk along with the next year of appropriations. Gut other parts of Obamacare via cutting spending.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 09:01 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at January 16, 2014 09:02 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 09:02 AM (OZmbA)
Axelrod promised them free chancre care.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:02 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Worf at January 16, 2014 09:03 AM (DrC22)
The Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate with 60 votes. And the White House. ObamaCare passed comfortably in both chambers and the President signed it. Every Republican voted against it. That's the process in the our Constitution.
I remember a VERY vigorous opposition by the GOP, one that led to the Republicans taking back the House in 2010 and Ted Kennedy's seat going to a Republican.
I remember a certain NE scrunt letting Obastardcare through because she heard history calling and squirted in her panties.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 09:04 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 09:04 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 16, 2014 09:05 AM (P7Wsr)
I'm not seeing the downside.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2014 09:05 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 09:05 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 16, 2014 09:06 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 09:06 AM (VtjlW)
Import a bunch of semi literate foreigners who will be so grateful to have gotten out of the disease infested shit hole they were born in.
Put them to work instead of American born unemployed but who desire a wage that pays their bills and who won't put up with lousy working conditions and who can't be threatened with deportation.
Let them vote for whoever because the Chamber of Commerce doesn't give a shit and they'll still fund our reelection to be the 2nd place party.
Eventually all those whiny patriots will die out or will do something we can arrest them for (and we're working on redefining some crimes to facilitate that) and ship them of to prison where they can labor for even less money and less benefits.
Meanwhile as we wait for the World Financial Implosion that will cause realignments all over the world and Democracies and True Republics become endangered species, we can enjoy ourselves at the latest State Department soiree.
And all you TEA Party types can suck our ball juice.
- Karl (Fathead) Rove _
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 09:06 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 16, 2014 09:06 AM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 09:07 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Daybrother "Hail SMOD, we await you" at January 16, 2014 09:07 AM (Ei3N+)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2014 09:07 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 09:08 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2014 09:09 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 12:56 PM (8TkX9)
Ahhh.... now you get to the HEART of the problem... Posted by: Romeo13
Here's the thing, I think YOUR side is lying. I don't really think you guys believe this, it's like a negotiation. You think if you make ridiculous demands and insults, the end result will be closer to what you want.
The problem is, the reality is much different. If your wife screams at you and throws dishes every time she IMAGINES you may want to cheat on her it doesn't mean you're going to be faithful. It means you're going to be out the door looking for another woman.
Again, if you really believe what you're saying, why are you even debating it? Leave. If I truly believed most Republicans secretly wanted ObamaCare, I would be out the door without hesitation.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 09:09 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: George Costanza at January 16, 2014 09:09 AM (rFLtm)
Axelrod promised them free chancre care.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 16, 2014 01:02 PM (JpC1K)
They come here because the glassy eyed sycophants would never hear the jackasses in their own party disagreeing with each other. Just a bunch of head nodding and ass kissing.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 09:09 AM (BZAd3)
So that would be what we call a "gamble".
You could roll the dice however and just hope it's a she/she.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 01:07 PM (RJMhd)
Now which one is Hilary again?
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 09:10 AM (OZmbA)
::: shifty eyes :::
.....
GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!!!!
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:10 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 09:11 AM (nUH8H)
Ah, I see you've read DKos and HuffPo
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:11 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: fluffonutta at January 16, 2014 09:12 AM (Ua6T/)
3%
GOP financing throughout the campaign could have overcome that EASILY.
But they chose NOT to support Cuccinelli.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 16, 2014 09:12 AM (5ikDv)
Move over.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:12 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 09:12 AM (nUH8H)
My only money comes from SS and it's so low that I don't pay taxes.
I would LOVE to have kept working. I'd love to get a job NOW but there aren't any available. (especially for an older person who's been out of work for 2 years now)
So that idea that some think because folks don't pay taxes that somehow they're the problem or don't "have skin in the game" is just bullshit.
There are some like that sure but you can't brand an entire group based on their tax status like that.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 09:13 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Hillary! at January 16, 2014 09:13 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 09:13 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 16, 2014 09:13 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2014 09:14 AM (zqvg6)
Obamacare will not be repealed by the GOP, not sure how much more evidence everyone needs that they aren't interested in this.
Posted by: mugiwara at January 16, 2014 09:14 AM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Squirrel at the window at January 16, 2014 09:14 AM (rFLtm)
OK.
But hand over the Reese's
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:14 AM (JpC1K)
428 One girl has herpes and talks about it and you can see the sore on her lip--
one girl you suspect has herpes--
which one do you date?
Might as well go full Sandra Fluke. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 09:14 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 09:15 AM (RJMhd)
http://tinyurl.com/kac5buk
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 16, 2014 09:15 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2014 09:15 AM (zqvg6)
You all just don't understand her like I do!!!
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:16 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Caliban at January 16, 2014 09:16 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 01:08 PM (VtjlW)
How could we tell?
Yes, I denounce myself.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 09:16 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 09:16 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 09:16 AM (OZmbA)
Hoss, you're the one making threats, so lets see you make good on them. Where's your Party and candidates?
If the GOP votes en masse against a repeal of ObamaCare, you can then say I told you so, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 09:17 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 16, 2014 09:17 AM (BXLPR)
Posted by: rickl at January 16, 2014 09:17 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 09:17 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2014 09:18 AM (zqvg6)
Posted by: THIngs under AtC's Desk at January 16, 2014 09:18 AM (rFLtm)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 16, 2014 01:11 PM (JpC1K)
When late night hosts say things like "maybe you should pick up a newspaper", its not a huge step to conclude there's not a plethora of original thought firing off on that side of the spectrum.
http://tinyurl.com/n7zdoymPosted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 09:18 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 09:18 AM (VtjlW)
If they don't play ball, they get sent back home empty handed to stockholders that will be pissed off.
-----
Oh..... there gonna be pissed off, one way or the other.
Posted by: MATH at January 16, 2014 09:18 AM (nELVU)
Nice bedside manner, Doc.
I think when you compare and contrast records, the side you're backing falls pretty short on that scale.
Physician, heal thyself.
I already left the fucking party, genius. And I'm not the only one.
Posted by: grognard at January 16, 2014 09:19 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 09:19 AM (OZmbA)
I'm good with that. I thought about trying an E. Makes it easier to read.
Posted by: Mega at January 16, 2014 09:20 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2014 09:20 AM (bf+1U)
I don't even understand the point of teaching a unit on "how people show sexual feelings." Who the fuck needs to be taught that? How many public-school 13-year-olds have never seen television, heard FM radio, read a YA novel, or listened to their peers talk in the hallways (or watched Roxanne give her pizza-faced scumball boyfriend a hand-job next to their locker *shudder* while fetching your math book between classes *shudder*)?
Posted by: HR at January 16, 2014 09:20 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Pulp Fiction Sock at January 16, 2014 09:20 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 16, 2014 09:21 AM (IXrOn)
Got it, boss.
::: arms Claymores :::
Need me to take care of MPPPP while I'm at it?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:21 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 16, 2014 09:21 AM (RJMhd)
My only money comes from SS and it's so low that I don't pay taxes.
I would LOVE to have kept working. I'd love to get a job NOW but there aren't any available. (especially for an older person who's been out of work for 2 years now)
So that idea that some think because folks don't pay taxes that somehow they're the problem or don't "have skin in the game" is just bullshit.
There are some like that sure but you can't brand an entire group based on their tax status like that.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That
I hear you. Same here- been looking for a job since 2007 or '08-- been so long I've forgotten the exact year. There are no jobs on the GA coast. If I did not have my wife's death benefit I'd be living in a box under the Lanier Bridge. But the TV shows pretty pictures so the voters think "all is well- remain clam...."
Posted by: backhoe at January 16, 2014 09:21 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Sphynx at January 16, 2014 01:21 PM (OZmbA)
Next year? Pretty sure Denver gets this one. But, good luck next year.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 09:22 AM (BZAd3)
And they're worried about '14.
Posted by: Mega at January 16, 2014 09:23 AM (hHFOx)
FIFY
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:23 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 16, 2014 09:27 AM (LSDdO)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 16, 2014 09:27 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 16, 2014 09:27 AM (P7Wsr)
Right because Mitt Romney's sudden conversion to pro-life was sincere...
and John fucking McCain is always the GOP's six o'clock tailgunner when the Democrats are strafing us?
The only Republican who adhered to the written platform the last 20 years was George W Bush and he won.
Bob Dole was too old and unable to run hard at Clinton...pity he hadn't found Viagra yet.
I agree on RINO the proper term is "Republican" of which I am pondering not being one.
It is Gabe's party not mine...
if the GOP just caves on amnesty, every social issue, guns, free-market economics, and individual liberty we are going to run through walls...
well by "we" I mean *you*
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 09:27 AM (TE35l)
I am a DIE HARD Patriots fan. My first game was watching Jim Plunkett's rookie debut for the Boston Patriots in Harvard Stadium on Soldier's Field Road. I endured the hell of the Rod Rust years. I watched them get smashed on Janaury 25, 1986 in the Super Bowl after an 18 hour cross country drive from Ft. Benning to Ft. Riley, KS timed JUST so I could get to see the game.
I've been there through good and bad and I take a backseat to no one in my loyalty to the team, I am the COMPLETE Patriots homer and I say this...
I don't see us making it out of Denver.
Bellichick has done an awesome job when you consider he's got about $27M worth of top-tier talent on IR right now. It's been a hell of a ride. But I just don't see it happening.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 16, 2014 09:28 AM (JpC1K)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 09:29 AM (nUH8H)
Posted by: Daybrother "Hail SMOD" at January 16, 2014 09:30 AM (dt6zU)
By pitching a low tax and balanced budget philosophy, or apparently pitching it to those people, to only the people that actually pay taxes, we are cheapening our message and makes the whole thing sound self interested."
Yes, and that's why candidates with conservative principles ARE MORE ELECTABLE because they have more going for them than "Hey, I am a rich guy and know how to get other rich guys to do well."
The 47% comment was clueless because it showed that Romney lacks the core conviction that conservative principles are good for ALL Americans, and lacked the confidence to sell those principles.
From a campaign strategist POV, yeah, some voters just wont vote for you, but that's not how a candidate should think or express himself - leave no voter behind.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 09:32 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 16, 2014 01:29 PM (nUH8H)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 16, 2014 09:34 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 16, 2014 09:35 AM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 09:36 AM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2014 09:36 AM (u2a4R)
Need me to take care of MPPPP while I'm at it?
Give it a shot, Bannion. This shako and sabre ain't just for show.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 16, 2014 09:39 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2014 09:41 AM (r7HIE)
She didnÂ’t fight for her job as governor because she believed there were reforms that Alaska needed that were being blocked because she was the governor. She put her state above herself.
And I strongly believe that she didnÂ’t run in 2016 because she got fooled by Rick Perry right along with the rest of us. If Rick Perry hadnÂ’t screwed up his own candidacy, a Palin run would have destroyed his chances. Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan a
If you really believe that you really are delusional. A Palin candidacy would be a 47- 49 state blow out victory for the Democrats.
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 09:43 AM (xFg3I)
They've been addled and ruined by leftist indoctrination along the way, like at J-school, where they think its their JOB to advocate for a position.
I was tipped off to this back in the 1980s when some TIME mag editorette admitted that her real goal was environmental advocacy. Journalism, ie inserting the favored POV in TIME articles, was just the METHOD to get it done.
Leftists ruin culture by politicizing everything in our culture. Politics, ie, the power relationships around reality, is everything to them. Journalism is never unbiased and those who claim to not be biased are just - lying or clueless.
We need to educate people to modern conservative thinking or its an uphill battle.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 09:43 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 16, 2014 09:43 AM (BXLPR)
I prefer to think of Ted Cruz as not insane but the one-eyed man in the land of the blind (in DC). He describes thinks to the rest of DC and they think he's insane because he sees things they dont.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 09:45 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: Paul at January 16, 2014 09:46 AM (9qDRl)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2014 09:47 AM (AtRJ2)
Right because Mitt Romney's sudden conversion to pro-life was sincere..
As if you guys really care about black and brown welfare babies being aborted.
Posted by: Froggy at January 16, 2014 09:48 AM (xFg3I)
>>>Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 16, 2014 01:36 PM (Y92Nd)
All of that is true, and that's why it's so aggravating to see every single bad thing blamed on a conspiratorial cabal of GOPers. They never want to admit they have a habit of pursuing policy goals that are unpopular with vast swathes of America, and that's why they fall behind in fundraising, and that's why they lose. Even in this post Drew is still floating the tired old Cooch-was-stabbed-in-the-back canard.
Posted by: Paul at January 16, 2014 09:49 AM (9qDRl)
Not both sides. Schumer, et al, in the "Gang of 8" scheming sessions 'promised' GOP leaders he will manage the "Amnesty folks" such that the GOP leaders will keep their cushy seats...
After all, that's what this whole "amnesty reform" is all about.
Posted by: Dr. Deano at January 16, 2014 09:49 AM (NXgTz)
Well obviously democrats don't or they would not fanboy abortion...
in wanting an economy that is predicated on production and wages being based on industry I am not casting out the black and brown...I am having faith in their work ethic...
what the fuck is Obama's excuse?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 09:51 AM (TE35l)
Whereas Nanzi Pelousy tripling down leftardward got her sweet fuck all 'til 2006 but was the answer...
again whether you are a fucking retard democrat or a squish fucking republican have it your way...
watch the nation go Marxist without us....it is not like we had to fucking drag the Rockerfellerian asses out of the fucking fire in the 80s or anything.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 09:54 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2014 09:55 AM (NXZ98)
You've got to realize that the only person who is going to hire you at this stage of life is you.
Buy something and sell it for a profit.
Better yet, sell something for a profit then buy it.
Rinse, repeat.
The age of paychecks is long dead."
WISDOM.
Good news is that if you are a good and experienced professional, you can make better $ timewise as a contractor/consultant type than employee.
Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 16, 2014 09:55 AM (oNqbW)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 16, 2014 09:59 AM (qabgA)
Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2014 09:59 AM (u2a4R)
My specialized skills are logistics and anti-armor rocket gunnery...
I'll always have prospects.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 10:13 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2014 10:15 AM (u2a4R)
That's part of combat arms fieldcraft genius...
I have no problem digging ditches to eat...
and ditches can be used, for hobbies.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 10:16 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: jwest at January 16, 2014 10:20 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Chico Esquela at January 16, 2014 10:29 AM (PuX55)
I already left the fucking party, genius. And I'm not the only one.
Posted by: grognard
Okay, who do you vote for on Election Day?
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 10:37 AM (8TkX9)
In all likelihood Mitt Romney....
so did I...
ever hear of the term "went to the well one too many times?"
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 10:38 AM (TE35l)
So what now?
When someone says "I left the Republican party" to me that says you're no longer voting for Republican candidates.
If it means something meaningless like "I changed my registration to independent", big deal. That's a pointless gesture.
My question is, what does that mean when it comes time to cast your vote? Is it 3rd party, or just sitting it out?
If you have that one special Republican you hate, I get it, but when you say they're all dead to you so you're leaving the whole party, what does that mean?
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 11:02 AM (8TkX9)
I am a Reagan Republican, I based my political life around Locke, Smith, Friedman, and Hayek.....
I believe in minimalist government bound by a Constitution...
The first politician I hated was Ted Kennedy followed by John McCain.
John McCain and the Keating Five undermined the reform case for the GOP.
This is his party, not Reagan's...
Nominate a "True Republican" that lacks any trace of conservatism and reverence for the founding and I am voting for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 11:11 AM (TE35l)
I am a Reagan Republican, I based my political life around Locke, Smith, Friedman, and Hayek.....
I believe in minimalist government bound by a Constitution...
The first politician I hated was Ted Kennedy followed by John McCain.
John McCain and the Keating Five undermined the reform case for the GOP.
This is his party, not Reagan's...
Nominate a "True Republican" that lacks any trace of conservatism and reverence for the founding and I am voting for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Sven 10077
The same Reagan that passed an amnesty and nominated Anthony Kennedy that gave us gay marriage?
What about the rest of the ticket moving forward? Also Democrat? You're going to vote all Democrat because you don't like McCain?
I also loathe McCain, but I'm not letting him "take" the party. I'm amazed conservatives will be run off by a handful of bad candidates. A new party does not mean "no more assholes in Congress", it's the nature of politicians in every political party on Earth.
For the record, I don't think the GOP should chase votes of "conservatives" who promise to vote for Hillary. I'd be happy parting ways.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 11:20 AM (8TkX9)
Reagan was dealing with a confrontational house longer than Bush, further he acknowledged that Amigo Grande! was a horrible mistake before he passed.
John McCain was once the exception to the voice of the GOP, he has essentially managed to hijack the party and spread his horsefuckery into a group of acolytes. Rubio, Graham, the Maine Twins of yore...
You'd like to pretend that McCain is the anomaly, I understand but he was almost the candidate in 96 and 00 and made noise about switching parties in 04 and STILL got the nomination.
No it is okay, I understand trust me.
Mitt Romney was a good and decent man, and I would shout that from the roof of the ESB or a radio tower until my voice gave out...
he's also an uber moderate who attacked his primary opponents with 6 times the ferocity he could be bothered to lob left.
I am under no illusions the GOP gives a fuck about me, I assure you. Yet I can't help but wonder after having been or nearly been a max donor to the Presidential races in 04, 08, and 12 if they don't at least a little bit miss my blindly sending them money? They keep asking ME for thousands at a time you see, I very seldom bother calling them.
A GOP addicted to weak assholes who refuse to grasp they are in a fucking war with neo-marxists are hardly worth my time or vote.
I don't expect the GOP to be bothered I am leaving, just like the GOP doesn't expect I really will vote Hillary!
Thing is if we are doomed by GOP soft-dickedness to suffer this Kleptocracy without chance of genuine reform and rule of law...
it's better to keep one's head down.
Call me a McCain democrat...
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 11:37 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Freedom Man at January 16, 2014 11:44 AM (KOp/H)
So you're mad that the GOP doesn't find hard enough against the "neo-Marxist" Democrats, so the solution to that is you yourself are going to start voting for the "neo-marxists" Democrats and help put them in power? Sounds like a plan.
I sympathize being frustrated with certain Republicans, but I'm not going to join the enemy ranks to make a point.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 11:46 AM (8TkX9)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 16, 2014 11:46 AM (5xmd7)
If a conservative said "I live in AZ and I hate John McCain, I'm going to write in X instead" you wouldn't get any argument from me.
It's the "I'm no longer voting Republican, in fact I'm voting Democrat because John McCain hurt my feelings" that gets so tiresome.
I would love it if liberals stopped voting Democrat because a Joe Manchin or Zell Miller pissed them off. Unfortunately, they are able to see the big picture.
Posted by: McAdams at January 16, 2014 11:54 AM (8TkX9)
------------------------------------
We didn't have the House in 2009-2010. The only reason he didn't pass amnesty is because he didn't want the blame. Now republicans are willing to give him cover, and they will take the blame.
Posted by: moose at January 16, 2014 12:05 PM (ZvLh8)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane
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And btw, we DO have amnesty. It's called Obama's illegal Dream Act Executive Order that the House has done absolutely nothing about.
Posted by: moose at January 16, 2014 12:09 PM (ZvLh8)
Posted by: Saber Alter at January 16, 2014 12:09 PM (DNu5Y)
Yeah you're right the McCain gang is totally on top of holding the weaponized civil service at bay, or controlling Obama.
My bad you caught me.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 01:37 PM (TE35l)
Again, please tell me how voting more GOP helps. Wow, they can "fix" the ACA now if they get numbers? Try again...
Posted by: Mehow at January 16, 2014 08:47 PM (7A0yf)
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The good news from VA is that Jim Moran is retiring. The bad news is he will probably be replaced by someone equally pathetic.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 16, 2014 07:18 AM (32Ze2)