1 First! I'll go get the others.

2 Hmmm wonder what Wise Latina is up to on this?

3 Department of Justice, my ass.

4 Pffft! It's only the law if Obama says it is.

5 If the Little Sisters of the Poor could have seen their way to a campaign donation, I'm sure a waiver could have been rustled up somehow.   

6
How did Mr. Kagan vote, or did he have a say in the matter?

7 Serious thread? Bah, out of the shadow of that awful .gif back there. I'll take it.

8 Little Sister donchoo...

9 Obama:  Eric, start researching those records on SC phone calls (you know, the records that don't exist, wink, wink).

10 I heard Huckabee wants to have the nuns forcibly raped and then made to abort their fetuses - but without government funding. Really, he said it. Damn socons.

11 Hmmm wonder what Wise Latina is up to on this? Nuns = scared shitless.

12 *sigh* I remember the good old days, when the people were the Master, and the government was the Servant.

13 "Bring out the DOJ, the IRS, and the NSA.  We have some more enemies of the state to take care of."     

-  POS, head of the regime

14 I loved that Obama figured he could work out some sort of mess that would play with the Principle of Cooperation to get the Catholics on board. I bet Slow Joe had a hand in this. Perhaps the worst part is that I know more than one place that was OK with the compromise.

15 Obama:  Will no one rid me of these troublesome nuns!

16 New hotness: Catholic KnowNothing Busted Junk: Wise Latina

17 Nice Convent you have there, shame if something happened to it...

18 LITTLE SISTER http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-JJHbqVBBk

19 If the Little Sisters of the Poor could have seen their way to a campaign donation, --------------------- $50,000 in a brown paper sack works for me.

20 I remember the good old days, when the people were the Master, and the government was the Servant.
***
Government, like fire, is an essential tool, but a terrible master.

21 Those SCOTUS h8ters are clearly socons.

22 Roberts: Well, it does seem to be a tax if you look at it just right in the shadow of an emanation from a penumbra!

23 Shes mean and she's evil Like that old boll weevil Guess I'll try my luck with you .. Little Sisters....

24 I can't believe that these h8rs are so cruel that they refuse to buy birth control for 70-year-old nuns.

25 So...is John Souter Roberts going to reconsider his betrayal?

*Whatever* Obama has on him it can't be as bad as the way he threw away his reputation...

26 Is it really fair that the supreme court gets to give out mandate exemptions?  I mean, those justices can't trade them for votes!

27 It's ATTACKS!!

28 Is it really fair that the supreme court gets to give out mandate exemptions?
***
Why not have all three branches in on the fun?

I mean all of the nobility in feudal Europe got to determine how the serfs lived...

29 Got his ass kicked by the little sisters of the poor. I'm not surprised.

30 So, is this a victory for "our side," Ace?

31 If you like your Creed, you can keep your Creed.

32 With any luck (hah), this will cause a lot of other groups to start asking why they can't get exemptions as well.

33
I wanted to be a nun, but my bumping my hoo-hoo with Oscar Telemente on the building roof prevented me from applying for the job.

34 Got his ass kicked by the little sisters of the poor.
___
Their rulers are actually more painful then Michelle's open hand.

35 Pope Huckabee is laughing inside the Little Rock Vatican.

36 SCOTUSblog ‏@SCOTUSblog 19m Little Sisters of the Poor get temporary win from #SCOTUS in challenge re ACA's contraceptive mandate. Story is here: http://goo.gl/o6jIMY

37

Those darn SoCons!  When are they going to stop their nonsense so Conservatives can start winning again!?

 

38

Fantastic news.  I have a feeling that Obamacare is going to get a swift kick in the nuts.

 

Every one of the Supremes is either catholic or jewish.

39 Good.  This is good news.

40 Roberts: This decision has the potential to drive a stake in the heat of the First Amendment, so let's carefully consider how we can define it as a tax!!

41 Simple question, aren't most Mexicans Catholic? Do they pay attention to anything?

42 Is it really fair that the supreme court gets to give out mandate exemptions? I mean, those justices can't trade them for votes!

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 24, 2014 04:38 PM (/i3Yt)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

I find it troubling that the government is in this at  all.  This is our future.  Any freedom we have  will now have to be  reviewed by  the SCOTUS.  I think a precedent was set here.

43 34 Got his ass kicked by the little sisters of the poor. ___ Their rulers are actually more painful then Michelle's open hand. Posted by: Barack Obama But not as bad as mooch's teeth. Not the jef would know about that. Reggie's teeth, different story.

44 So, the non-establishment clause, which has been contorted into the non-preferential treatment clause says what about Muslim orgs not having to provide abortifacients? Or is it pretty much dead-letter except to harass Christian orgs?

45 My Moron Radar sees a revisit to last night's abortion topic.

Seen it, been there.

Setting up claymores and running concertina wire now.  Clear fields of fire 300 yards out. 

Check mags, all air goes through me.  Assets on station, refuel in 40.

46 Little Sisters of the Poor, I believe, would never, ever  give in and sign any form.

47 Ry Cooder : "Little Sister", from 'Bop Till You Drop",a great album, btw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-5bxb7AlEU

48

What's amazing is that this admin is going after nuns.  Fucking nuns!!!???

 

And why haven't we kicked their ass yet???

 

Unbelievable.  Stop the war on nuns.

 

And it's meant kind of jokey but it really isn't.

49 GOOOOOO, LITLE SISTERS!!!!

SHOVE THAT LAW UP BARKY'S ASS!!!!!!

50 As you post, please remember that these are social conservatives and thus must be derided on Ace's blog.

51 But not as bad as mooch's teeth. Not the jef would know about that. Reggie's teeth, different story.

Posted by: traye at January 24, 2014 04:43 PM (uuAPD)

------

Dude, don't remind us. There's some stuff even we didn't want to watch.

52 Didn't one of the little sisters get knocked up recently so they transferred her to another country? 

53 Any freedom we have will now have to be reviewed by the SCOTUS. I think a precedent was set here.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2014 04:42 PM (S5gpl)

I think this is merely frosting on the cake of government control.  I haven't seen any fundamental freedoms running loose for some time now.  Just wait 'til Barky stacks the Court.  I hope Scalia and Thomas have food tasters.

54 The Administration will now push for more nun-control.

55 Ace:

You need to look into trademarking or copyrighting stuff generated by the AoSHQ.

This guy >> http://tinyurl.com/lvu7qeb << gets arrested for attacking some people with a blow dart and states to the TV reporter "I'm a moron".


THIS SHOULD NOT STAND.

He has impugned Morons everywhere.

56 Check mags, all air goes through me. Assets on station, refuel in 40. Posted by: tangonine --------------- Flechettes for the 106's.

57 In before somebody asks (again) whether a ruling could potentially invalidate Obamacare completely because there's no severability clause.

No.

58 As you post, please remember that these are social conservatives and thus must be derided on Ace's blog.
Posted by: Viridian

This kid's got potential. 

59 41 Simple question, aren't most Mexicans Catholic? Do they pay attention to anything? Yes and no.

60
From NDH's comment in the last thread.....

Shannon Bream ‏@ShannonBream now
SUPREME COURT on Little Sisters (2/2) - LS must inform HHS in writing it is non-profit, holds self out as religious, has religious...











We all know where this is leading, yes?

61 So that means the only ones not qualifying for exemptions in Obamacare are the people in the middle class - have I got that right?

62 This guy >> http://tinyurl.com/lvu7qeb << gets arrested for attacking some people with a blow dart and states to the TV reporter "I'm a moron". THIS SHOULD NOT STAND. He has impugned Morons everywhere. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 24, 2014 04:46 PM (LSDdO) Indeed! Shoulda used a longbow. Of all the nerve.

63 Simple question, aren't most Mexicans Catholic? By culture MUCH more than practice. Do they pay attention to anything? The average Mexican has a third-grade education. So, it depends on how long they've been in country. Second and third generation immigrants from Mexico are better-educated, but still lack a lot of the drive you see in other groups.

64 The Administration will now push for more nun-control. Posted by: --- --------------- Damnit.

65 Obama's granted a waiver to his signature law to every lefty organization that's asked. Why try to destroy this order of nuns? The left has long dreamed of destroying religious involvement in charity. I read articles in the Nation 25 years ago fantasizing about it... for the same reasons that the Communists forbid private charity. The government must be mother, and father, and God to all. This is the whole point of Obamacare, its very essence.

66 SCOTUS

Supreme
Commanders
Of
The
Unbelievable
Shitstorm

67 The Little Sisters of the Poor you will always have with you.

68 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 24, 2014 04:47 PM (TIIx5)

Ve haff many vays to kontrol you!

69 As you post, please remember that these are social conservatives and thus must be derided on Ace's blog.

Is there a group of people this side of the West Bank with a more severe Martyr Complex than SoCons?

70 Everybody stop trying to get ace all riled up. He hates socons and finds fault in their every move, so lets leave it at that.

71 Tango one, foo gas?

72 Is there a group of people this side of the West Bank with a more severe Martyr Complex than SoCons? Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2014 04:49 PM (SY2Kh) Atheists/agnostics?

73

Homo Liberalis: A Field Guide to Identifying Liberals in the Wild

 

 

                Zoologists have long been fascinated by the species Homo Liberalis, known widely by its non-scientific designation as the Wild North American Yellow-Bellied Liberal.  This species, found all across North America, differs somewhat from its more successful European cousins.  Though widely considered a pest creature by farmers, small business owners, and taxpayers, this species has nevertheless garnered the interest of scientists seeking to study it in its natural habitats. 

 

 

                The best way to study homo liberalis is in the wild.  Indeed, it is considered detrimental to try to domesticate this species or to import it into your own habitat, due to the destructive and corrupt tendencies it displays.  As with any wild animal, caution is recommended when interacting with liberals.  This species can be very unpredictable if you do not know how to handle it properly.  Under no circumstances should the field observer ever voluntarily allow homo liberalis near a voting booth.

 

 

                It is our hope that, by heeding the instructions and advice of this field guide, your experience of observing homo liberalis from a distance will prove to be instructive and rewarding.  Despite its many shortcomings, this species can be highly entertaining, and indeed, in many cases individual liberals can provide hours of amusement as they are observed in their natural habitats.  Below are listed several of the most common subspecies of homo liberalis that you will encounter in the wild.  This is not, of course, an exhaustive listing of the wide variety that can be found among this species.

 

 

 

Homo Liberalis Marxistus

 

 

Habitat: Washington D.C., Ottawa, all the state and provincial capitals, New York City, university humanities departments all across the continent.

 

 

Marxistus is considered by many zoologists, as well as many individuals within this subspecies itself, as being the most primitive and “pure” of all the homo liberalis subspecies.  Indeed, the other subspecies of liberals appear to genetically derive from marxistus.  This subspecies is most commonly found wherever political power is concentrated; taxpayer monies appear to be one of the primary sources of sustenance for marxistii.  This invasive subspecies exhibits a ravenous appetite and will aggressively seek other food sources when it exhausts its current supplies.

 

 

Many liberologists who observe marxistii in the wild have noted that this subspecies will often engage in swarming behavior similar to that seen with termite infestations.  Individual marxistii will serve as “scouts,” establishing themselves within the architecture of a university, political party, or other territorial unit.  These scouts will them chemically signal to other marxistii who then can invade the new nesting ground with little resistance.  In this way, marxistus propagates without ever having to build anything for itself.

 

 

When making observations of marxistus in the field, certain precautions must be taken.  It is wise to keep your wallet on a chain, or even not to bring it on safari, due to the marxistus habit of picking pockets.  Be careful not to anger marxistii which occupy positions within government – while not a direct physical threat, marxistus is still capable of ruining your day using their bureaucracy stink glands.  If you should find yourself the object of marxistus attention in the wild, expect to be the target of a regulatory charge – therefore, it is highly recommended that you do not encourage marxistus by overfeeding it. 

 

 

 

Homo Liberalis Unionus

 

 

Habitat: The Rust Belt, non-right to work states.

 

 

                Unionus is perhaps the most physically robust of all subspecies of homo liberalis, which is likely due to the greater proportion of meat in its diet as compared to the other subspecies.  This, as well as its tendency to camouflage itself with flannel, denim, and work clothing, allows it blend in more easily among other, non-liberal, creatures.  However, unionus will soon unmask itself whenever a dispute over monetary sustenance arises, and unionii will almost always seek to sap the source of that sustenance in an effort to destroy it.

 

 

                Like marxistus, unionus is widely observed to display swarming behavior.  Unionii in large numbers have even been known to overwhelm entire industries, forcing them to flee their former habitats and even cross oceans to escape the exorbitant territorial demands of unionus.  As a result, this subspecies, especially, should be classified as an invasive pest, and efforts have been made by liberologists to control its spread.  Thankfully, recent control efforts in several states appear to have been successful in confining unionus to a more restricted habitat. 

 

 

                Extreme caution should be exercised when interacting with unionus, especially when it is engaged in swarming behavior.  This subspecies is noted for its violence when attempting to establish itself in a new habitat, and in many cases, its behavior would approximate that typically associated with “organized crime” among more advanced species of creatures.  It is recommended that field observers dealing with unionus should carry with them either forged membership cards or a large-caliber safari rifle for self-defense.

 

 

 

Homo Liberalis Affluentius

 

 

Habitat: The Acela corridor from Washington D.C. to Boston, Toronto, any suburban or urban area where the homes are valued at greater than $500,000. 

 

 

                Affluentius is an interesting specimen.  This subspecies is often considered to be suspect by other subspecies of liberals.  As a result, affluentius has developed behavioral patterns designed to ingratiate its self with them.  Adept at mimicry, homo liberalis affluentius will seek out and emulate behavioral goals held by other subspecies of liberals, often changing its mimicry pattern several times a year based upon its perceptions about its environment.

 

 

                Because affluentius generally inhabits wealthy regions across the country, this subspecies is often relied upon by other subspecies, especially marxistus, as a source of monetary sustenance for fueling ongoing territorial expansion by homo liberalis.  The female members of affluentius, especially, are prone to trying to defang or otherwise render incapable of self-defense members of non-liberal species.  It must be emphasized again that this subspecies appears to display behavior that, in higher organisms with more developed brains and central nervous systems, would be described as “guilt,” because of the relative glut of food resources available to them.  However, despite this abundance, affluentius rarely yields its own excess supplies to poorer creatures, but rather seeks to develop mechanisms for inducing other, less well-funded creatures to do so instead. 

 

 

                Affluentius is easily identified in the wild.  Because of the relative restriction of their habitat, the field observer need not bother looking for this subspecies in rural areas, or indeed, in any region that does not have ready access to yachting, snow skiing, or high-end shopping.  This subspecies will often decorate its transportational devices with plumage identifiers known as “bumper stickers,” by which it will signal to other subspecies of liberals its solidarity with them, despite the transportational device costing more in monetary sustenance than the entire nesting sites of some other liberals. 

 

 

 

Homo Liberalis Rusticus

 

 

Habitat: Scattered populations throughout the Mountain West and the Northwest seaboard, though isolated populations can be found in mountainous and forested areas throughout the United States and Canada. 

 

 

                Rusticus is somewhat unique among Homo Liberalis subpopulations in that it is primarily found in rural and wilderness areas instead of the typical urban-to-suburban habitats in which most wild liberals live.  Sightings of rusticus were first reported in the early 1970s, and field observations at the time reported many rusticus individuals engaging in a behavior known as “seeking a Rocky Mountain high.”  Because of this, some liberologists have theorized that rusticus is in fact a mutated form of another homo liberalis subspecies known as dirtiushippius, which is now almost extinct. 

 

 

                Rusticus is perhaps the most genuinely ecologically-minded of all the liberal subspecies.  Because of its preference for wilderness biomes, this subspecies often engages in what has been described as “eco-friendly” cottage industries, especially those involving pottery, weaving, and other handicrafts.  Rusticus is also known to have a strong preference for collecting and arranging scrap metal into more or less random arrangements, constructions which are referred to in its native language as “art,” a term which liberolinguists theorize most closely translates to “piles of junk” in English.  Most often, these “piles of junk” are displayed on the individual rusticus' nesting ground, and those which include various types of noise-making devices are hypothesized to be mating calls, alerting other rusticii of the opposite sex of the individual's fitness as a “piles of junk” builder.

 

 

                When interacting with rusticii in the field, caution is generally not necessary as the subspecies tends toward docility due to its habit of burning various weeds that it finds in its environment and breathing in the smoke.  Note, however, that this tends to make the rusticus hungry, so it is advisable to bring along a pizza or other munchies when observing rusticus in its natural habitat.  A homo liberalis rusticus can often be discerned at a distance by the subspecies' habit of wearing extensive facial hair, nearly always for the males, somewhat less so for the females.  Due to its infrequent bathing habits, this subspecies can also be identified by smell.

 

 

 

Homo Liberalis Activistius

 

 

Habitat: Urban and suburban areas continent-wide.

 

 

                The subspecies activistius is distinguished from other subspecies of liberals by its loud squawking noise and tendency to invade the personal space of individuals from other groups.  The noise it produces is theorized to be a mechanism of social dominance used to cow other species into submission and obedience.  Indeed, this subspecies of liberal is believed to be the most concerned of them all with domination and power relationships towards other creatures.  This theory is substantiated by the peculiar habit of activistius of decorating itself with brightly colored plumage in the form of signs and banners.  This plumage is understood to “rank” individual activistii within their subspeciesÂ’ social system, and the flocking behavior that accompanies the displays of this plumage appears to be intended to intimidate other species into submissive activity.

 

 

                Activistius comes in several varieties.  Feministus is identified by the verbal dominance of its females, the passivity and emasculation of its males, and the horrific tendency to kill its own young.  Sodomitus is remarkable for its biologically stultifying reproductive behavior.  Civilrightsius is extremely territorial and has been observed in the wild as demanding ever larger shares of territories belonging to other creatures.  Surveys of inmigrantus illicitus, similarly, have shown this variety to be very expansionistic, invading the habitats of other creatures and undercutting their economic ecologies.  Antibellus is identified by its loud and expressive opposition to armed conflicts; however, this variety has been observed to undergo prolonged hibernational periods whenever a Democrat occupies the office of the Presidency.  Envirowackius is somewhat unique in that it appears to carry a detrimental mutation that affects its sense of touch and feeling; the colder this individual gets, the warmer it mistakenly believes its environment to be.  These varieties are certainly capable of interbreeding and producing hybrids as well; sodomitus, however, tends to disdain this activity, choosing instead to reproduce itself by stealing the young from the nests of other creatures.

 

 

                Caution is recommended when approaching activistius in the field.  Individuals from this subspecies have been known to become violent when they perceive that their territorial imperatives are not being taken seriously by other creatures.  This subspecies of liberal also tends to flock together in large numbers and, as a result, the collective volume level is amplified synergistically.  Earplugs are highly recommended.

 

 

 

Homo Liberalis Scholasticus

 

 

Habitat: College towns all across the United States and Canada.

 

 

                This particular subspecies is noted for its immaturity and mimicry of behavioral patterns considered obsolete by older members of other, non-liberal, species.  Scholasticus is most commonly found nesting on university campuses – occasionally it may be found indoors in classrooms, but most often in open areas where it can be seem engaging in automimicry behavior with its fellows.  Despite possessing little in the way of survival skills or instincts, scholasticii nevertheless have a tendency to view themselves as well-adapted to just about any habitat, including those such as “business,” for which they are particular poorly prepared.  Field observations indicate that some scholasticii tacitly acknowledge their lack of adaptation and prefer to remain in their natural habitat, often nesting in specialized nurseries known in their language as “graduate schools.”

 

 

                Scholasticus is an enigmatic and poorly-understood creature.  Many liberologists have reporting conflicting behavioral patterns from this subspecies.  While considering themselves to be solitary hunters and gatherers, most scholasticii actually display a tendency towards flocking behavior on par with that seen in activistius.  Indeed, mimicry and imitation appear to be the most outstanding traits of this subspecies.  Further, while many scholasticii pretend to identify with other creatures that lack in monetary sustenance, in reality, many of this subspecies, especially at more costly universities, are the recipients of a steady stream of sustenance from food storage sources known as “trust funds.”

 

 

                When observing scholasticus in the wild, the subspecies can often be identified by unique plumage identifiers such as “dreadlocks,” colorful feathering known as “tie-dye” and “rasta beanies,” and a general unkempt appearance.  Many liberologists have also noted that this subspecies gives off a set of unique odors that closely correlate with patchouli oil. It is unknown at this time whether this is inherent to scholasticus, or if it is another attempt at biomimicry.  Danger from this subspecies should be relatively low, though patience is often needed when dealing with undomesticated individuals.

74 This...feels like good news. Folks around here laugh nervously when I mention a decent chunk of my spare time is devoted to repealing my current workplace.

75 Atheists/agnostics? Posted by: Tami

True, and it's not very appealing.  Why replicate the behavior?

76 Simple question, aren't most Mexicans Catholic? Do they pay attention to anything?

Yes, but why would you expect them to differ from American Catholics who disproportionately vote Democrat in this country?

77 Right now the IRS, Department of Labor, The FEC, NSA and every other government organization Obama controls are looking into the Little Sisters of the Poor to harass, intimidate and otherwise make them pay for challenging the Democrats god-king

78 Is there a group of people this side of the West Bank with a more severe Martyr Complex than SoCons?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2014 04:49 PM (SY2Kh)

I'm a socon, but I'm not a dick about it.

Be a dick to me about it and I'll pay for the excavation crew to fill in the crater where you last existed.

79 Posted by: Tami at January 24, 2014 04:49 PM (bCEmE) No fedora-wearers around here that I saw. But yes, outside of the HQ...yes.

80 Homo Barrelis

81 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Admit it, you've had that queued up for months now.  No way did you type all that for this post.

82 As you post, please remember that these are social conservatives and thus must be derided on Ace's blog.
Posted by: Viridian


How about you just remember that this is Ace's blog.

83 Is there a group of people this side of the West Bank with a more severe Martyr Complex than SoCons? Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2014 04:49 PM (SY2Kh) Libertarians. You should hear them whine about how laws against drugs are tantamount to Jackbooted Fascism.

84 Mexico are better-educated, but still lack a lot of the drive you see in other groups Is it the naps?

85 Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 24, 2014 04:50 PM (YYJjz) A little snippet with a link would of done.

86 41 Simple question, aren't most Mexicans Catholic? Do they pay attention to anything? Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at January 24, 2014 04:42 PM (oDCMR)


Yes.
They pay attention but their Catholicism takes a back seat to other things such as, "the racist Republicans hate immigrants."

At least that's the answer I've gotten from every Mexican I work with whom I asked how they reconcile their pro-life views with their voting straight Democrat.

87 Would it be wrong to invoke the Winston Wolfe rule in a thread about the Little Sisters of the Poor? 

88 Nice insult there Hollowpoint, classy.

89 Pixy let 73 thru?

90 >>>As you post, please remember that these are social conservatives and thus must be derided on Ace's blog. Posted by: Viridian so, so many Victims but those blacks should just shut up about all their made-up silly crap about being disrespected Disagreement = derision at least for oneself.

91 I'm a socon, but I'm not a dick about it.

Honest question: is SoCon a synonym for religious conservative?   IOW, is this about political positions or faith?

92 How about you just remember that this is Ace's blog. *** sound advice

93
Obama is a tyrant.

94 "Annus horribilis" - Queen Elizabeth

95 It's the Roberts Court.

Which means they will invent something to ensure the Little Sisters lose to their dear leader.

96 The test for a stay is fluid.  One element is the harm if granted.  There's no freaking harm.  Horny employee spends the cost of a latte on some protection, or takes a long walk with oneself.

97

"A little snippet with a link would of done."

 

There is no link.

 

98

So no mention of its a 'Tax'. Wonder what happened, did Roberts grow a pair?

99 Posted by: DangerGirl at January 24, 2014 04:52 PM (GrtrJ) I got about the same response talking to the black Democrats I know.

100 The left has long dreamed of destroying religious involvement in charity. I read articles in the Nation 25 years ago fantasizing about it... for the same reasons that the Communists forbid private charity. The government must be mother, and father, and God to all. This is the whole point of Obamacare, its very essence.

Posted by: theCork at January 24, 2014 04:47 PM (hbAdE)

 

 

----------------------------------------

 

 

Agree.  Ocare's purpose was to finally  bring to a close the long march through the institutions.  Medicine was really the last major one.  As long as Ocare stands, the government will have complete control over our lives.

101 Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 24, 2014 04:50 PM (YYJjz)

Have you thought about getting your own blog? If not, you should.

102 If I remember correctly, all Sir and St. Thomas More was asked to do was sign a form as well.

103 Those damn gays seem to confuse "tolerance" and "respect" for "enthusiastically supporting every plank in their platform."

104 Nobody should be paying for anyone else's birth control.Nobody.

105 Time to go work on dinner....

106

@ 91 - "Honest question: is SoCon a synonym for religious conservative? IOW, is this about political positions or faith?"

 

Another question - does someone count as a "SoCon" if they are a movement conservative, meaning they hold to all three "legs" of conservatism (fiscal, social, and defense policy)?

107 HP, gays. People who hate SoCons. Muslims. Feminists. Mac users. Minority "activists." Anyone who is a fan of some show that got canceled.

108 And I've given up on SCOTUS.

They are the Fifth Column in this country.

They ensure what is in their best interest, not ours.

They have become everything the Framers feared they would be.

A bunch of unelected oligarchs making decisions that rightly belong to the people.

109 92 How about you just remember that this is Ace's blog.


***

sound advice

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 24, 2014 04:53 PM (DmNpO)

For some reason, today, some folks feel the need to just lose their mind and forget that AoSHQ is courtesy of 1 pretty good dude.

And has been for nearly a decade.

But nope, they just roll in, take a shit, and leave.

Some bitches 'round here need throat punched. 

110 Titus you magnificent bastard.  Just for the length.  haha.

111 I'm a socon, but I'm not a dick about it. Be a dick to me about it and I'll pay for the excavation crew to fill in the crater where you last existed. Posted by: tangonine at January 24, 2014 04:51 PM (x3YFz) Cut. Jib. Newsletter?

112 Honest question: is SoCon a synonym for religious conservative? IOW, is this about political positions or faith? Political positions. I'm a pretty religious conservative, but pro-life is as far as I get with socon stuff.

113 Is it the naps? Spanish conquerors, French conquerors, dictatorships, and a heaping helping of socialism have driven most good hardworking habits out of the people. That's my guess.

114 So the Pentagon can relax military uniform standards to allow for beards and turbans and other "sincerely held" religious beliefs, but companies must provide The Pill. We are indeed living in interesting times.

115 The Constitutional Scholar doesn't seem to fare too well when stuff finally reaches the SC, with the exception of the genius logic 'A Penalty Is A Tax'.

116 no seriously: Can we have ONE rule on whether basic decency requires enthusiastically supporting every political demand a group makes, instead of one for Those Darned Gays and another one for Socons? Is it now seriously contended that, like Obama's black supporters, socons are insulted and disrespected (and subject to racial animus) every time one of their leaders is criticized?

117

@ 101 - "Have you thought about getting your own blog? If not, you should."

 

No, because if i did, I'm sure I'd just lose control of it to SoCons eventually.

118 Right now a courier is delivering 8x10s of John Roberts in the gimp suit and swim fins to the back door of his office as a reminder.

119 How about you just remember that this is Ace's blog.

Posted by: dogfish at January 24, 2014 04:52 PM (nsOJa)

He didn't build that!

120

I love how we can take what appears at first blush to be a win and turn it into a circular firing squad.  The horde is getting better at that than the GOP.

 

121 Nobody should be paying for anyone else's birth control.Nobody. *** I'm going to start a foundation through which individuals can choose to sponsor women in need of birth control. I'm thinking of calling it Adopt-A-Ho

122 Shit, I didn't read the comments. Are we fighting again?

123 Yep, insult them then insult them for noticing the insult. What thin-skinned, self-pitying wusses they must be. Disagreement isn't derision. But constant derision is actually derision.

124

Nuns are having to go to the Supreme Court for the right to do their work and abide by their beliefs.

 

Think on that for a while.  Is this America?

 

What the fuck is going on with OUR country?

125 John Souter's Fax Line has been burning up with photos of his 'Tiny Shoe' collection.

126 FOCUS people, focus!!!

127 Shit I got a pen and a phone.  A stroke and a call and I'll have those robed fools replaced.

128 No, because if i did, I'm sure I'd just lose control of it to SoCons eventually. *** Sorry, but this made me chuckle.

129 >>>Disagreement isn't derision. But constant derision is actually derision. Right, I derided you by disagreeing with you. I'm hate-criming your race of Socon.

130 106 @ 91 - "Honest question: is SoCon a synonym for religious conservative? IOW, is this about political positions or faith?" Another question - does someone count as a "SoCon" if they are a movement conservative, meaning they hold to all three "legs" of conservatism (fiscal, social, and defense policy)? Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 24, 2014 04:55 PM (YYJjz) ********* I've got the same question. So good question. Heh. Ace said last night that he is a Social Con.

131 etting up claymores and running concertina wire now. Clear fields of fire 300 yards out. Check mags, all air goes through me. Assets on station, refuel in 40. Posted by: tangonine at January 24, 2014 04:44 PM (x3YFz) CAS hot in 30 seconds.

132 Just out of curiosity, how many justices had to go along to implement the stay? I'm not positive, but I don't think they would have needed a majority.

133

134
Are we fighting again?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2014 04:58 PM (hpVGZ)

It's not a party until an 'ette takes off her shirt.

135 Ace said last night that he is a Social Con.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew


LOL.

136 123 Yep, insult them then insult them for noticing the insult. What thin-skinned, self-pitying wusses they must be. You, of course, are talking about microaggressions committed against black people.

137 I am more of a KHAN ! Con

138 >>I said in my last number, that the supreme court under this constitution would be exalted above all other power in the government, and subject to no controul. The business of this paper will be to illustrate this, and to shew the danger that will result from it. I question whether the world ever saw, in any period of it, a court of justice invested with such immense powers, and yet placed in a situation so little responsible.<<

http://tinyurl.com/l5rrn6v

139 We need Barbara bush to come out a say it - if your dating a man who can't afford a condom, your doing something wrong. The backstory on this contraception push has been the "unfair" position that Birth Control pills weren't covered by insurance but ED/Viagra was. The simple solution is to drop ED pills, which in the vast major of cases are not medically necessary, from insurance coverage. But, no, we need to offend the consciences of millions.

140 GAY GUY: If you disagree with me, you're guilty of H8! Nothing else can explain your disagreement with me! SOCON: Nonsense, you're coming to the political market seeking changes, and I oppose your agenda. "hate" doesn't enter into it, except as your rhetorical effort to silence me and win the debate by forfeit. But... ACE: I really think this heavy judging stuff is outside the sphere of politics and shouldn't be part of it. And it's killing us with women. SOCON: How dare you attack my faith. You hate Christians.

141 Socon to me means taking  total responsibility for all your own actions and decisions.

142 Crazy zealots that help the poor insist that they have some kind of right or something. Coming soon from the spigots of tolerance of the usual suspects.

143 The Women in Black Take Down JEF Jeebs

144 Ban ion, your on the mortars

145 73 ... The subspecies activistius is distinguished from other subspecies of liberals by its loud squawking noise and tendency to invade the personal space of individuals from other groups. ... Okay, that made me laugh.

146 A Turgid member is a Right!

147 Honest question: is SoCon a synonym for religious conservative? IOW, is this about political positions or faith? Posted by: pep at January 24, 2014 04:53 PM (6TB1Z) Social Conservative. Someone who is conservative on issues other than Finance i.e. "Fiscal." It has long been my belief that Fiscal and Social components of our society are simply perturbations at 90 degrees out of phase with each other. Prosperity makes people socially liberal. Social Liberality causes financial collapse. Austerity causes a strengthening of Social conservatism. Social Conservatism transforms economic activity back into fiscal prosperity. And the cycle repeats.

148 And we're off to the races

149 116 no seriously: Can we have ONE rule on whether basic decency requires enthusiastically supporting every political demand a group makes, instead of one for Those Darned Gays and another one for Socons? Is it now seriously contended that, like Obama's black supporters, socons are insulted and disrespected (and subject to racial animus) every time one of their leaders is criticized? Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 04:57 PM (/FnUH) ********** It's the disproportionality of it. The band wagon--the herd mentality. The Mass Liberal Media does it so we all have to follow their lead. Plus we even have to distort right with them--to the most unfriendly reading and misconstrue a micro portion while ignoring the macro of the politicians' statement .

150 SOCON: How dare you attack my faith. You hate Christians.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:01 PM (/FnUH)

Oh, now you're just teasing them. 

ISWYDT

Poking them is fun, but of little use.

151

It's not a party until an 'ette takes off her shirt.

 

^ ^ ^ This!

152 Shrug, its okay Justice Roberts will change his opinion at the last minute out of fear that his court will be considered radical, damaging his legacy. He'll rule the leftist way.

153 Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2014 05:01 PM (4JkHl) Meh, much of this goes back to the Judith Jarvis Thompson types of the 70s who thought that sex was akin to breathing. You simply cannot live without it. I'm not exaggerating either. In JJT defense of abortion she uses air as a metaphor for sex. Listen, I'm not going to tell you that sex isn't good, fun or desirable. I think it's all 3 of those and more. However it's not exactly medically necessary either. These things are worlds apart.

154 I don't think Bannion would stoop to mortars.

155 A Turgid member is a Right!

Posted by: Boner Pill Fan at January 24, 2014 05:02 PM (hNkBv)

 

So is a tan

156 Bannion, your on the mortars Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2014 05:02 PM (4JkHl) I am not carrying that fucking base plate again!!!

157 It's not a party until an 'ette takes off her shirt.

Posted by: tangonine at January 24, 2014 05:00 PM (x3YFz)

 

 

------------------------------------------------------

 

 

Is AtC away from the ravage cages?  Yes?

 

AtC!  AtC!  AtC!

158 I don't think Bannion would stoop to mortars. I was, briefly, an 11C.

159 And I've given up on SCOTUS.

They are the Fifth Column in this country.

They ensure what is in their best interest, not ours.

They have become everything the Framers feared they would be.

A bunch of unelected oligarchs making decisions that rightly belong to the people.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2014 04:55 PM (0MaYq)

 

This Court decided the last two religious freedom cases 9-0, both times against the Administration.  I think it's kind of a big deal to them. 

160 >>>Oh, now you're just teasing them. ISWYDT Poking them is fun, but of little use. ... but this is precisely what is going on. Just as they find it repulsive to cast every single disagreement they have with gays is due to "h8," I'm getting a little sick of fucking hearing every criticism I have of the socon agenda is "animus against Christians." They're employing the same damnable tactic they shriek at when it's directed at shutting them up.

161 If the media says we all have to talk about an issue that is a loser for us--like Chirstine O'Donnell then we all just mindlessly follow. I think it is inevitable. They are our Thought Leaders and we will never escape their reign or reins. Hell it happens on the Left even. Bill Bradley complained about the media driven herd when he tried to debate the absolute lies of Al Gore.

162

@ 130 - "Ace said last night that he is a Social Con."

 

Well if Ace is a SoCon, then he doesn't belong on this blog.  Or in New York.

163 "Libertarians. You should hear them whine about how laws against drugs are tantamount to Jackbooted Fascism."

Right, because no one in America has ever been killed by police officers/SEAL wwannabes in the name of saving them from the scourge of marijuana.

164 who thought that sex was akin to breathing. You simply cannot live without it. Shit, there was a few years of a dry spell way back when that I was a zombie then.

165 It's killing us with which women? The un married, urban ones who vote for us anyways, those women, all three of them.

166 ...sex was akin to breathing. You simply cannot live without it. You can, but the consequences are quite dire. Abstinence is a gateway drug. Sooner or later, you'll be up late at night mainlining Etymology.

167 I got about the same response talking to the black Democrats I know. Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 04:54 PM (ZEvg7) Most people tend to follow the tribe of ethnicity as opposed to following the tribe of like minded thinking. Humans tend to be tribal. It has long been my hope that we could all choose to be a tribe of like-minded proponents of natural law and the rights of man. With a few exceptions, it's not looking so good so far. If anything our culture seems to be devolving back to something more primitive.

168 So some Klingon agitators say Kirk is gay... 

Kirk would never pass this up - http://tinyurl.com/ktmpne7

What a Yeoman!

169 s it now seriously contended that, like Obama's black supporters, socons are insulted and disrespected (and subject to racial animus) every time one of their leaders is criticized? Ooh, nice strawman. I have an intense dislike for Huckabee, he is no leader of mine. But he is on our team. And the Dems and the media (BIRM) are on the other team. Yeah, I am making it tribalist, sue me. And when the other team is lying about someone on our team, I don't think it is smart to go, oh, see, some of the doofuses on our side just are too stupid to live. This is why we lose. It isn't what Huckabee said - which was a criticism of Dems - but rather what the other team said he said - and people who should putatively be on our team should not be piling on with the other team, especially when they are lying about someone on our side. That, my friend, is why we lose. Cuomo said Pro-lifers have no place in his state. The wagons drew around him. Did you hear ANYONE on the Left say, dang, he needs to not say those things. No, he was applauded for it.

170 135 Ace said last night that he is a Social Con. Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew LOL. Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2014 05:00 PM (DpEwG) ********** No it's true. I got all dizzy and I had to go get a vodka solid.

171 @140, except, Ace, you keep missing that Huckabee did not say or imply what you are complaining about. Huckabee said one thing ("Democrats infantilize women and reduce them to lady parts -- lady parts that they are too stupid to handle responsibly.") Then you went for paragraph after paragraph about how Christians are moralizing buzzkills who run off moderate voters and just need to STFU. So, yes, many of us religious people and SoCons kinda took that as an attack on us. Mainly because of the attacking.

172 Damn you people riling up the ewok again!

173 Hey you guys, you can get that special someone a dozen long stem kitthens for V-day at Think Geek. That place is dangerous.... To my wallet.

174 @153 - My point since day one (cribbed it from somewhere, can't recall) is that contraceptives are a recreational expense, not a medical expense. So if you want Obamacare to pay for your contraceptives, I want Obamacare to pay for tires for my track car. And my rubbers are a lot bigger than yours.

175 Iweve got a big AHG thing tonight, so this is going to fire up the room.

176 >>I'm thinking of calling it Adopt-A-Ho

Slut Shamerrrrrrrr!!!!!

177 >>>Well if Ace is a SoCon, then he doesn't belong on this blog. Or in New York. my point was that virtually every conservative, from Libertarian to Full Socon, is at least partly a socon. I said the argument was between, in D and D terms, a 7th level socon (me) and 14th (name) level socons. And even people who are less soconny on this blog are probably 3rd or 4th level.

178 Instead of beating each other up Let's reframe the argument. We are not fis con or so con, we are pro liberty

179

So wedding photographers and bakers must be slaves to ghey weddings, i.e., CANNOT REFUSE to do them OR THEY WILL LOSE THEIR BUSINESS/LIVELIHOOD and be fined out of existence.

 

Nuns taking care of poor old people MUST PROVIDE BIRTH CONTROL directly against their beliefs.

 

Yeah, this new tolerance wafting out there is aching for a sledgehammer to slam it back down.

 

The nazis are back, draped in the rainbow flag.

180 104 Nobody should be paying for anyone else's birth control.Nobody. Posted by: steevy at January 24, 2014 04:55 PM (zqvg6) Or to house, feed, and shelter the children created when they didn't control their own libidos. Somehow a lot of people think it's okay to foot us with the bill.

181 163 @ 130 - "Ace said last night that he is a Social Con." Well if Ace is a SoCon, then he doesn't belong on this blog. Or in New York. Posted by: The Very Esteemed Governor Andrew Cuomo at January 24, 2014 05:05 PM (YYJjz) ******* It's there. Hmmm... I also confessed that I am not one--but arguing for them/with them--because their arguments are pretty damn persuasive.

182 Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2014 04:51 PM (0MaYq) Do you know the movie, "The Trouble With Angels" with Haley Mills and Rosalind Russell as the Mother Superior,?This is the talk she has with the headmaster of a Progressive school. Mother Superior: As for the social graces, I'm convinced that your school encourages barbarism and concerns itself only with free thinking, free wheeling and finger-painting. Mr. Petrie: The finest educational minds in the country happen to be on our side! Mother Superior: God is on ours! The nuns may lose ultimately, but it won't be a pretty picture if 70 year old nuns are hauled out in handcuffs, and although not RC or 70, I'll be with them. They've got prayer. I have my doubts that anyone in the Obama administration prays

183 Uh, y'all saw what the Ewoks did to those imperial AT-ST's, didn't you?

184 Another question - does someone count as a "SoCon" if they are a movement conservative, meaning they hold to all three "legs" of conservatism (fiscal, social, and defense policy)? Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 24, 2014 04:55 PM (YYJjz) -------------------------- No, because then you couldn't be as easily dismissed. Simpler to just call you a one-issue, Jeebus-shouting, sister-humping godbag that wants to ruin everyone's good time. Why the FUCK would anyone want to know what you think when it's easier and more personally satisfying to tell you what they think you are, and then dry-fuck that strawman until it reaches its ignition point. Who the fuck are YOU? What makes YOU worthy of respect or the benefit of the doubt? Years of readership and financial support? Pfft. Fuck off, you one-dimensional Jesus freak. The important people are fucking this monkey. You're lucky if you get to hold the head.

185 Ace, you're pro choice, pro decriminalization of drugs, pro butt-sex, it's clear your not a socon and everyone here knows it so when you take a statement from a socon, Huckabee, and parse into sentence fragments to criticize him, like the left would do, you're going to get push-back.

186 a 7th level socon (me) ******* Damn it you said 4th SoCon last night before I hit the gin fizzy/.

187 As I've age (quite nicely, I think... /flex) I've become aware of this little creature that is wisdom.

Wisdom slows and increases you response time (you old dogs know exactly what I'm saying).

My faith in God (oh, and btw I'm a physicist), has never been stronger.  I don't do church (wackos!), but I'm founded.

When folks go off the rails, you learn to let them.

No one learns by success, they learn by failure.

Slow and steady.  Ace,  from a guy that's been with you from day 1:  slow is fast, fast is slow.  You're astute, you'll be fine.  Your site is exceptional and an island in the storm.  Steady.

188 "I sense a strong disturbance in the Force.  Or is that my pants?"
 - Obi-wan Kenobi.

http://tinyurl.com/l6un8xk

189
I have to admit I like obama's your-signature-or-your-brains approach to contract negotiating.

190 The simple solution is to drop ED pills, which in the vast major of cases are not medically necessary, from insurance coverage. But, no, we need to offend the consciences of millions.

The big difference is that ED pills are used to treat a medical condition to allow normal bodily function, and BC pills are used to cause a medical condition that prevents normal bodily function.

That's not a knock on birth control, but it was always a bit disingenuous to compare the two.

191 >>>@140, except, Ace, you keep missing that Huckabee did not say or imply what you are complaining about. Huckabee said one thing ("Democrats infantilize women and reduce them to lady parts -- lady parts that they are too stupid to handle responsibly.") Then you went for paragraph after paragraph about how Christians are moralizing buzzkills who run off moderate voters and just need to STFU. So, yes, many of us religious people and SoCons kinda took that as an attack on us. Mainly because of the attacking. right and this is the part where I disagree. Now what do we do about that? And yes, all the heavy moralizing? Not helping. I do not understand how people fail to see that just as lefty moralizing/judgment of themselves puts THEM off, that other people might be similarly put off by the very same style of moralizing/judgment emanating from rightist quarters. The attitude seems to be, "Oh no, people like when we do it." No, they don't. I mean, really?

192 Honest question: is SoCon a synonym for religious conservative? IOW, is this about political positions or faith? Posted by: pep at January 24, 2014 04:53 PM (6TB1Z) No. One can hold conservative social values or political positions without being Christian or even religious. One can be Christian (or otherwise religious) and be a Leftist or libertarian when it comes to social values and policies.

193 I have my doubts that anyone in the Obama administration prays I don't.

194
Can someone please put the throbbing Justine Blieber pic under a fold? Please?

195 Like when I was seven and would pretend to be watching 'Lost In Space' while my parents screamed obscenities at each other in drunken rages, I'm just going to sit here and finish my beer.

196 In a Kansas court ruling ....

Judge orders sperm donor to lesbian couple owes child support ..

http://bit.ly/LHwLyW

Be Afraid, David Crosby

197 >>>Damn it you said 4th SoCon last night before I hit the gin fizzy/. no i said 7th for me. I said the least soconny commenter on the site was probably 4th level.

198 Wait... it's all relative in New York--see Cincinnatus 's Liberalis treatise-- Ace is a FLAMING So Con.

199 404Care already allows an exemption for the Amish, which is a religious freedom issue itself. So why would it even be in doubt at all that other religious groups can have objections to all or part of the law?
 
It seems like this could be another path to the takedown of 404Care itself.

200 I have my doubts that anyone in the Obama administration prays Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 24, 2014 05:09 PM (7kkQJ) In fairness, I see in Biden a church-goer. He reportedly warned against the HHS mandate. Sure, he barely gives to charity and he plagiarizes, but I've met similar people at church.

201 Oh hell, and this isn't even the Huckabee thread.

202 I have my doubts that anyone in the Obama administration prays

I don't.

Posted by: Zuul at January 24, 2014 05:11 PM (yz6yg)

Me neither.

203 Can someone please put the throbbing Justine Blieber pic under a fold? Consider it done.

204 198 >>>Damn it you said 4th SoCon last night before I hit the gin fizzy/. no i said 7th for me. I said the least soconny commenter on the site was probably 4th level. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:11 PM (/FnUH) ******** Okay got ya. So it was that you/you thingy. You're a 7th So Con?

205 Which SoCon leader is that?

Huckabee?

He's not a "leader" as in someone who leads a group.

He's a leader in his own mind and the minds of the media.

They proclaim him a leader so that they can then (when he screws up or they can put words in his mouth) make him look bad and tarnish the entire group.

BTW when did SoCon gain group status? What are the requirements to belong?

Are we ever allowed to disavow that status? Or are we like blacks and our politics and proclivities are set in stone by other people with a different agenda? (Some that really are beginning to appear to be not very friendly or forgiving).

It's just like everyone has their definition of the TEA party yet most don't come close to the facts.

206 I have an intense dislike for Huckabee, he is no leader of mine. But he is on our team. Pfft. Hucksterbee's no friend of mine. He's out for himself, don't be fooled. Same statism, different trappings.

207 Is it now seriously contended that, like Obama's black supporters, socons are insulted and disrespected (and subject to racial animus) every time one of their leaders is criticized? Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 04:57 PM (/FnUH) I take exception to the characterization of Huckabee as one of our "Leaders." I have not the slightest use for the man, and would not even consider him for higher office or as a spokesperson for the movement.

208 Every time I've tried to play let's pretend in the courtroom, its never gone well.

209 >>>No, because then you couldn't be as easily dismissed. Simpler to just call you a one-issue, Jeebus-shouting, sister-humping godbag that wants to ruin everyone's good time. Why the FUCK would anyone want to know what you think when it's easier and more personally satisfying to tell you what they think you are, and then dry-fuck that strawman until it reaches its ignition point. Who the fuck are YOU? What makes YOU worthy of respect or the benefit of the doubt? Years of readership and financial support? ... that's exactly what I'm doing, EoJ. I've attacked you by saying I disagree with you. So I must hate you, as you, in turn, obviously must hate the gays. Nothing but hate can account for differences of political opinion. Right? RIIIIGHT?

210 Some so-con issues are more important than others to this so-con. But to each their own.

211 Prosperity makes people socially liberal. Social Liberality causes financial collapse. Austerity causes a strengthening of Social conservatism. Social Conservatism transforms economic activity back into fiscal prosperity.
***
We can certainly see the correlation here, but an interesting question is whether this is in fact a deterministic law of human society, or if this is an effect of the corporatist party almost completing controlling the media and driving their agenda?

212 I think we all agree on that,nobody should be paying for other peoples birth control and abortions.

213

Yes, but why would you expect them to differ from American Catholics who disproportionately vote Democrat in this country?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2014 04:51 PM (SY2Kh)

 

 

Reuters/Ipsos exit polling found that 51 percent of Catholics favored President Barack Obama, compared with 48 percent for Republican contender Mitt Romney.

 

 

Why, what a disproportionately high number!

214 Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2014 05:11 PM (SY2Kh) Depending on the cause of the ED, it may be normal bodily function. Take for example all the new Low testosterone drugs. They used to call that "old age"

215 Empire of Jeff, you should get a thicker skin, then come back. Oh and by the way, if there was anything to agree on about the Huckabee post, it was that the word "libido" should not be in the dictionary of any R.

216 And obviously, per this rule that EoJ now endorses, we all collectively hate blacks, right? Riiiiiiight? Hate and disrespect is the only thing that can account for differences of opinion. And you show tolerance for someone by adopting each and every one of his political positions as your own. Riiiiiight?

217 Huck may not be a leader, but he does play in your rhythm section.

218

@ 178 - "my point was that virtually every conservative, from Libertarian to Full Socon, is at least partly a socon. I said the argument was between, in D and D terms, a 7th level socon (me) and 14th (name) level socons. "

 

ISWYDT

219 Posted by: Zuul at January 24, 2014 05:11 PM (yz6yg) To whom do you think they're praying-Bahomet?

220

It's killing us with which women?

 

I grew up in one of the Places That Matter.  Bucks County, PA.  There are swing states and there are swing bits of those states.  Still a lot of red and blue counties in PA, but you tip a swing county and the state goes that way and all of presidential politics is about tipping the right counties.

 

Women in Bucks County are persuadable.  They vote both ways.  They are grown up, non-LIVs.  You may "know" that certain groups are unreachable and unpersuadable, in which case you may as well give up.  Or you can treat everyone as if they were smart grownups and your message will hit the persuadable few who matter.

221 @185 *golf clap*

222 I'm doctrinaire SoCon and I say fuck the Huck. How did that clown get frocked as our "leader"?

223 404Care already allows an exemption for the Amish, which is a religious freedom issue itself. So why would it even be in doubt at all that other religious groups can have objections to all or part of the law? It seems like this could be another path to the takedown of 404Care itself. Amisk. Muzzies. Probably others. One would think that.

224 NDH I am not even bothering anymore.

Here we have HHS putting a gun to nuns' heads and saying "You are wrong, the State has determined this is moral and right.  So comply or die."

And what do we have here?  Drive by pop shootings.

225 ACE: I really think this heavy judging stuff is outside the sphere of politics and shouldn't be part of it. And it's killing us with women. Whether this was sarcasm or not, it's true. People like Huckabee creep me out. Sorry, he just does. I know too many women holding their right to choice tightly and deeply. Whether they believe in abortion or not, stay away from my right to choose. This sounds contradictory, but, it's a fact. It boggles the mind that politicians still yammer on about this, knowing that that is the exact moment a woman will flip the switch. This is all it takes. Take it or leave it. It's the truth.

226 But constant derision is actually derision.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 24, 2014 04:58 PM (ZPrif)

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

227 As drew would say, Huckabee's a pawn. He has some use, but he's not someone I would support and I consider myself a so-con. But since I also consider myself a fi-con, I do not have much use for Huckabee. But if he can get people to the polls to vote for the right people, then who am I to complain. I'm just not sure he can do that.

228 208 Agreed,he is an extreme socon(20 th level) and ,worse,he's a big government,big spender republican.Can't stand him( plus I feel he is a nasty phony).

229 To whom do you think they're praying-Bahomet? There is no Bahomet. There is only Zuul.

230 If Little Sisters prevails it may start a stampede to the courtroom from business owners, which could pretty much nullify the worst part of ObamaCare.

Posted by: Regular Moron at January 24, 2014 05:05 PM (oGrEy)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Business owners?  It'll be a stampede of everyone  with health insurance   that doesn't believe in footing the bill for someone else's sex life.

231 Hate and disrespect is the only thing that can account for differences of opinion. And you show tolerance for someone by adopting each and every one of his political positions as your own.

That's what we're told, every fucking day.

232 EoJ: Tell me, straight up: Is the conservative movement for Christians only, yes or no?

233
Consider it done.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnel at January 24, 2014 05:13 PM (hNkBv)

I need brain bleach or someone gets their arm broken, ripped off and the ragged bones slammed into their liver.

234 Someone go get the firehose.

235 If you want to find out who in Obama's Cabinet prays, the solution is simple. Throw them all in Federal prison, then observe. Hell, it'd make a hell of a sociology PhD thesis. Wonder if I could get funded...

236 So, we just had a Dungeons and Dragons/SoCon stream crossing. It was inevitable I suppose. If I roll consecutive 20s, we get to nuke Iran.

237 Who walked in here with Huckabee on their shoes and tracked it all over the fucking rug?

238 ISR on station. Scanning for targets.

239 FAC says you are cleared hot. JFST will guide you in.

240 "Oh: One of the prerequisites for the granting of an injunction is a likelihood that the party will prevail on the merits of the actual case. So it appears, hopefully, that the Court believes Little Sisters will/should prevail at the court level." Unfortunately the last line of the order says: “The Court issues this order based on all of the circumstances of the case, and this order should not be construed as an expression of the Court’s view on the merits.”

241 Could we perhaps not rehash the vitriolic arguments from last night and talk about this thread topic? Didn't everyone say what they needed to? Heck, people on the East Coast were still up at 2:00 flapping their gums about it. I noted this being a much more low key gun flapper on the ONT.

242
ot- I have a love/hate relationship with cars.  Love the old cool looking ones, f'ing hate the new plastic pieces of crap that cost alot of repair money, #@$#%#$%$%&^%!!!!!.

Now back to your regularly schedule blastfest.

243 Don't mind me, I'm just chuckling at being referred to as a f***bucket. I've been called everything up to and including a "white boy," but that's a first.

244 DOWN WITH THE BASS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ysQ1duhNeY

245 Hey I actually have my CoT setup on this tablet, so let's call some fires.

246 >>>That's what we're told, every fucking day. yup and I get told that by some commenters, every fucking day. Don't like Palin? You must hate her. And also hate women. Didn't like something the Tea Party did? You must hate the Tea Party. Thought Rush's comment should be treated as a joke and not defended as a Holy Writ? you just hate Rush. You're jealous. So let's stop patting ourselves on the back for being the ones who don't take offense at everything or claim every disagreement is due to "hate" when we're obviously ready, willing, and able to do all of these things.

247 I am a seventh level socon mage.

I smite you with my Rod of Purity, (sex -3) and follow up with my Spell of Sanctification (ego +4, scorn +7)

248 Yeah, this new tolerance wafting out there is aching for a sledgehammer to slam it back down.

The nazis are back, draped in the rainbow flag.
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The fundamental problem and you see this across many political issues, is that the left never stops pushing to punish those they define as their enemies, and political right never, ever, does so.

Basically, until our political leadership is willing to do the kinds of things the left does we will continue to slide further into leftwing authoritarianism.

As a specific example, I would have loved to see Bush 43 revoke JFK's authorization of public sector unions.

249 @242 - yeah, might start to smell like Hot Air around here...

250 Right, because no one in America has ever been killed by police officers/SEAL wwannabes in the name of saving them from the scourge of marijuana. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 24, 2014 05:05 PM (kUgpq) Yes, the one thing is exactly equivalent to the other.

251 Tango Nine, post #189 might help.

Or - "Can you make the timey whimy sound?"
http://tinyurl.com/l6f5bd5

252 233 EoJ:

Tell me, straight up:

Is the conservative movement for Christians only, yes or no?

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:16 PM (/FnUH)

Ace... uh  //points

It's JeF.  2d troll only to jwest.

Never directly engage.  ffs how many times to I have to explain flanking maneuvers?

253 And yes, all the heavy moralizing? Not helping. *********** Well talk about heavy handedness-- your dissection of Huckabee's statement was hypercritical and joining the larger mass of critiques-- so in the grander scheme of things hyper-intolerant of his effort to even be heard. It's kind of how kids end up stuttering cluster--you know what's and I dare say it's part of the Left's shut up mentality. It's probably how Bush, Perry and other right talkers end up barely able to talk because they realize every damn word they say is going to be-- hyper-criticized--taken out of context and/or purposefully misconstrued. It's stealth censorship of a sort.

254 I know too many women holding their right to choice tightly and deeply. Whether they believe in abortion or not, stay away from my right to choose. This sounds contradictory, but, it's a fact. Not contradictory so much as human nature. It is a species of I-don't-wanna-do-it-anyway-but I'll-be damned-if-you're-going-to-tell-me-I-can't-have-it-ism. And as suchÂ…understandable.

255 >>>Don't mind me, I'm just chuckling at being referred to as a f***bucket. I've been called everything up to and including a "white boy," but that's a first. ... good one, huh? I'm hoping it goes viral. Then in five years I'll tell my son: "Someone called you a fuckbucket? *I made that happen.*"

256 There is no Bahomet. There is only Zuul.

Posted by: Zuul at January 24, 2014 05:16 PM (yz6yg)

Bitch, please!

257 tries to find the  bone so it can be buried in the backyard 6 feet deep.

258 I can't wait for the Stoned WoW addition.

259 Someone go get the firehose. And the lotion!

260 @260 - does Obamacare pay for that?

261 Ace, I think you're missing the point on EOJ's frustration with you.

262 233 EoJ: Tell me, straight up: Is the conservative movement for Christians only, yes or no? Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:16 PM (/FnUH) I have Jewish friends who own machine guns, in Boston. So no. I don't expect to see them at the camps, either.

263 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 24, 2014 05:15 PM (IXrOn) Interestingly though in this case Huck was right. Democrats see women as nothing more than irresponsible sex crazed machines. Every one of their policies has this at it's core. It's kinda demeaning really. But if you take a close look at a lot of their proposals, this is the underlying animus behind it. And yet, when called on it by Huckabee, suddenly we warm up the circular firing squad. WTF?

264 It's JeF. 2d troll only to jest. Uhhhhh, throwing the bullshit flag on that one. Not a troll. Passionate about THIS issue? Yeah. But not a troll.

265 Could we perhaps not rehash the vitriolic arguments from last night and talk about this thread topic? Didn't everyone say what they needed to? Heck, people on the East Coast were still up at 2:00 flapping their gums about it. I noted this being a much more low key gun flapper on the ONT. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 24, 2014 05:18 PM (7kkQJ) Can't we just have another nice threat about proto-Indo-European grammatical cases? Or boobehs.

266 Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2014 05:20 PM (4JkHl) Psssst. Think they can get me a SAW?

267 On a visit to Ireland, I witnessed this exact same thing; two brothers fist fighting.  Then hugging.  No lie.

268 So let's stop patting ourselves on the back for being the ones who don't take offense at everything or claim every disagreement is due to "hate" when we're obviously ready, willing, and able to do all of these things. -------- I take offense to nothing. I hate our society that is offended by everything. Don't like it, fine, but are you really offended. I don't like hate either. Hate is what the left has. Hate is why they will lose in the end, though hate also brings some destruction.

269 you got a bone to pick!@!
I sure do  Your bone sat next to my bone  and tried to blame my bone for everything@!

And i was all like sitting all nice beside my bone and witnessed my bone did nothing  but check out the dog in fear.

270 I think this thread needs an Old Priest and a Young Priest.

271 Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2014 05:18 PM (P3U0f)

hah... I love your nic and the fact you stick to it.

I know exactly what it is, pats fan.

//tips hat

dedication, right there.

272 and then dry-fuck that strawman until it reaches its ignition point.

Yeah.  This is why I come here.

273

I must have missed something big last night, but Ace's point on the "libido" dropping is fine. 

 

Why must we get dragged into this shit.  I mean, if somebody brings up birth control, can't we just laugh them off the fucking stage.  Were women being denied the pill or free condoms somewhere, Alabama maybe??  I mean, women had access to birth control under dem and gop presidents for decades, but now it's the defining issue of our time.  LAUGH THEM OFF THE FUCKING STAGE. 

 

And I'm not talking about Huckster's comments, which I thought were ok, but it's a simple fucking pivot.

 

No, I don't believe in pissing on nuns and forcing them to cover birth control.  As birth control was widely available during 8 yrs of GWB, as it always has been, this is not a crucial issue facing us today.   I believe women are worried about the same serious issues facing our country.  The future for our children and grandchildren.  That's what's at stake here.

274

We're killing ourselves here.

275 All I want to know is who where is the s-4 with the beer? It's Friday dammit.

276 SEX WITH AN EX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHIa3zr_vTQ

277 The nazis are back, draped in the rainbow flag. Posted by: prescient11 at January 24, 2014 05:09 PM (tVTLU) Oddly appropriate because the original party members were rainbows draped in a Nazi flag.

278 Might have to break out the old flame war thread to air our grievances out.

279 I really think this heavy judging stuff is outside the sphere of politics and shouldn't be part of it. And it's killing us with women.
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So here is the interesting thing...the single female dynamic doesn't like conservatives, but I'm not clear that they have a stronger dislike for a soc-con/fin-lib like Huckster then they do for a so-lib, (sorta) fin-con like Romney.

280 @273 - I saw Scorched Foreskin open for the Jam at the Old Waldorf back in '77.

281 Posted by: Þe Political Hat I'm warnin' ye, if mugiwara comes in here with his faggy long-s characters, there's gonna be hell to pay.

282 >>>no seriously: Can we have ONE rule on whether basic decency requires enthusiastically supporting every political demand a group makes, instead of one for Those Darned Gays and another one for Socons?

>>>Is it now seriously contended that, like Obama's black supporters, socons are insulted and disrespected (and subject to racial animus) every time one of their leaders is criticized?

OK, here's the rule: when you take the position that certain members of of the loose coalition general described as the center/right, in this case certain so called socons, just need to shut up because you are sick of having to defend them, you are going to get some pushback. Especially when you paint with such a broad brush rather than staying focused on some particular statements you disagree with.

Nobody, or at least hardly anyone, expects you to be quiet about your beliefs. But, when you start using the scattergun approach and start blasting people who view themselves at socially conservative on at least some issues, they will take offense. Even if many will probably agree with you on some specific instances.

I personally consider myself to be largely libertarian, or at least libertarian leaning. But, I am not a purist. I believe in national borders, for example, as well as the rights and duties of citizenship. I am also pro-life and against much of the gay agenda.

I do not want to see laws prohibiting gay sex, adultery, or pretty much almost any vice. I know where I would like to see us get to as a society, but it is also important how we get there. Having judges make it up is not acceptable, especially since they like to make up a bunch of shit I don't like.

So, when we end up having to debate new sodomy laws, I reserve the majority of my derision for those that made the new debate necessary: Kennedy and his cohorts on SCOTUS. Thomas had the right of it: the sodomy laws, while stupid, are not unconstitutional. I may disagree with those who wants to reimplement them, but I do not scorn them. They are going about it the right way: through the political process. So, I would criticize their ideas, I do not find them personally offensive.

283 I smite you with my Rod of Purity, (sex -3) and follow up with my Spell of Sanctification (ego +4, scorn +7) Posted by: DangerGirl at January 24, 2014 05:18 PM (GrtrJ) Anyone know what counters the Rod of Purity?

284

18-1.

 

I agree wholeheartedly.

285 S-4?  Sean Bannion got that 47 Delta loaded with beer right?  On the cargo hook while the cargo space has a BBQ grill and about 300lbs of steak?

286 Or boobehs.

http://is.gd/mGVWLf

287 Everyone loves a dog pile. I hate that instinct.

288 I am a seventh level socon mage. Magic Missal! Magic Missal!

289 >>Anyone know what counters the Rod of Purity?<<

The god of cooter?

290 The nazis are back, draped in the rainbow flag. Posted by: prescient11 at January 24, 2014 05:09 PM (tVTLU) Oddly appropriate because the original party members were rainbows draped in a Nazi flag. Posted by: D-Lamp at January 24, 2014 05:22 PM (bb5+k) Why, hello there!

291 Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:18 PM (/FnUH) This of course is why I want off this planet. People see us in a perpetual state of war with each other. No longer can we just look at an action or situation on it's flaws/merits, everything is refocused through either a political or culture wars lens. I'm getting tired of it. "We must hate the media" (even if they do something we agree with!) "It's always about Abortion!" "What he said has political relevance!" (Even if he was just discussing what he thinks makes for a moral life, not trying to legislate it.) I'm tired of this shit, why can't we just get along every now and then.

292 @284 - The Sandrafluke (embarrassment +12)

293 Anyone know what counters the Rod of Purity? Planet Hillary. All rods are useless against it.

294 And it's killing us with women. ----- I tend to think that is simply what they say because it sounds better than saying hey we just like free stuff.

295 Might have to break out the old flame war thread to air our grievances out.

Posted by: CDR M at January 24, 2014 05:22 PM (LsJl

or scads of cute guy pics.

oh alright throw in a few cute gals  also.

296 >>>And even people who are less soconny on this blog are probably 3rd or 4th level.<<<

I was raised by socons so I understand them.  But you know, if a lady friend is pulling her panties off, the socon mode gets bypassed by the battleshort mode in a NY minute.

297 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 24, 2014 05:20 PM (GaqMa) Wasn't this the point of a thread a week or so ago when we all made fun of those "got insurance?" ads with the floozies?

298 265 It's JeF. 2d troll only to jest.

Uhhhhh, throwing the bullshit flag on that one.

Not a troll. Passionate about THIS issue? Yeah.

But not a troll.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2014 05:20 PM (yz6yg)

Well, I've been around here for a long time.

But, Sean, I'll defer based on your comment because I know you've got your gear wired tight.

Perhaps I'm wrong.  I don't think so, but... I'll give it another look.

299 Is 300 lbs of steak enough?

300 The birth-control mandate also includes abortifacient drugs. facere = to make/induce. facient = making/inducing.

301 I've attacked you by saying I disagree with you. -------------------------- You disagree with me all the time. What you don't always do is act like such a dick while you do it. I feel I've been supportive of what you do here regardless of where we stand on a given issue, because I figure you come by your views honestly, at least. The last 24 hours have been disgusting.

302 Oh and the scapegoat crap. I'll fight that shit tooth and nail every damn time.

303 Is the conservative movement for Christians only, yes or no? My answer is no. Counter-question: If a Christian says "two parent households are more stable, produce happier, more law-abiding, more educated children", is that expressing an emotion that is of the kind that drove the Amanda Knox railroading?

304 S-4? Sean Bannion got that 47 Delta loaded with beer right? On the cargo hook while the cargo space has a BBQ grill and about 300lbs of steak? Yes. But since this is the HQ you know some numbskull forgot to bring the grounding hook, so there will be no sling loading.

305 Anyone know what counters the Rod of Purity?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2014 05:23 PM (yz6yg)

The Sandra of Fluke?

306 Or boobehs. http://is.gd/mGVWLf Posted by: HR at January 24, 2014 05:23 PM (ZKzrr) Better than this s**t getting rehashedÂ… again.

307 >>>OK, here's the rule: when you take the position that certain members of of the loose coalition general described as the center/right, in this case certain so called socons, just need to shut up because you are sick of having to defend them, you are going to get some pushback. Especially when you paint with such a broad brush rather than staying focused on some particular statements you disagree with. Nobody, or at least hardly anyone, expects you to be quiet about your beliefs. But, when you start using the scattergun approach and start blasting people who view themselves at socially conservative on at least some issues, they will take offense. Even if many will probably agree with you on some specific instances. ... 1. I write posts more carefully (comments come out more in rush), but apparently the posts too, which specifically say exactly what statement I find problematic, are equally condemned, because an attack on one socon statement is an attack on all socon statements. 2. There is too much goddamned offense being taken, everywhere, and this is especially hypocritical among people who are CONSTANTLY telling others to stop taking personal offense at every political disagreement.

308 new post

309 We need a gun thread. At least we can agree on that.

What was your favorite new product at SHOT?

310
I need some facts, anybody know the supposed breakdown in percentage of women voters and the percentages that went dem/gop/indy?

311 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 24, 2014 05:20 PM (GaqMa) Huck brought "libido control" into it. Lot of baggage there.

312 I smite you with my Rod of Purity, (sex -3) and follow up with my Spell of Sanctification (ego +4, scorn +7) Posted by: DangerGirl at January 24, 2014 05:18 PM (GrtrJ) Anyone know what counters the Rod of Purity? Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2014 05:23 PM (yz6yg) A Rogue. Who can Pick Pocket.

313 Leftism does have a certain obsession with sticking it to Christianity.

314 Ace, may you have many sons. So you can explain/take credit for the term "fuckbucket." Often.

315 But, when you start using the scattergun approach and start blasting people who view themselves at socially conservative on at least some issues, they will take offense.
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I didn't support Guilani back in 2008 because he was a soc-lib...but I respected that he spent effort trying to achieve common ground with soc-cons in a constructive way.

Conversely it seems that the Republican leadership has now decided to actively pick fights with soc-cons which is entirely self defeating.

316 I'm tired of this shit, why can't we just get along every now and then.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 24, 2014 05:24 PM (GaqMa)

easy, crusher.

This is why got invented horses and trout fishing.

317 And the Constitution.

318 New post, with 90% less circular firing squad.

319 And the Free Market.

320 Evil talks about tolerance only when it’s weak. When it gains the upper hand, its vanity always requires the destruction of the good and the innocent, because the example of good and innocent lives is an ongoing witness against it. So it always has been. So it always will be. And America has no special immunity to becoming an enemy of its own founding beliefs about human freedom, human dignity, the limited power of the state, and the sovereignty of God. – Archbishop Chaput

321 i'd rather throw the huckabee post as far into the air and use a flame thrower on it until it hits the ground with a Boom!

322 And Limited Government.

323 or scads of cute guy pics.oh alright throw in a few cute gals also. Posted by: willow at January 24, 2014 05:24 PM (nqBYe) Careful what you wish for! One 'ron has submitted his pic for Guess The 'Ron. No 'ette's have stepped up yet.

324 >>>Counter-question: If a Christian says "two parent households are more stable, produce happier, more law-abiding, more educated children", is that expressing an emotion that is of the kind that drove the Amanda Knox railroading? no that's fine, but it will cause you some trouble. It's a fact of life that some true statements are going to cause trouble. In fact, in American 2014, it's not the obviously false statements that will be most politically troublesome, as most people apprehend they are false. It's the obviously true statements that will get you into trouble, because while true, they are uncomfortably true, and our political speech code is that we must falsify statements to protect anyone from discomfort. Especially an obviously true statement that hurts precisely because people apprehend it is true.

325 Whenever I get into one of these threads,  my mind starts turning over and over again with the song, "It's a Big Wide Wonderful World".

326 Is there a test I can take to determine my so con status?

327 We can certainly see the correlation here, but an interesting question is whether this is in fact a deterministic law of human society, or if this is an effect of the corporatist party almost completing controlling the media and driving their agenda? Posted by: 18-1 at January 24, 2014 05:13 PM (P3U0f) From my reading of various discussions of the subject, the phenomena is apparently as old as recorded human history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyklos http://honestintrospection.com/2012/07/25/the-tytler-cycle-and-decline-of-america/

328
What was your favorite new product at SHOT?

Posted by: Marcus T at January 24, 2014 05:26 PM (0MaYq)

Missed SHOT this year, my matey was off in mexico on his honeymoon, and Vegas alone is... ghey.  Next year, though.

329 And it's killing us with single women. Married women are more conservative than single men. It's not so much a gender gap than a marriage gap.

330 Muh, muh, muh, muh My Li-bi-do

331 >>>I didn't support Guilani back in 2008 because he was a soc-lib...but I respected that he spent effort trying to achieve common ground with soc-cons in a constructive way. what an odd inversion, because I did not respect him for that. I think his effort was horrible and half-hearted. He had no argument for his position. He did not really attempt to explain it in any way that would make sense to a socon. He did not make the most minor modifications to it that would make it borderline acceptable (well not really but who knows) to any socons. He just went to socons and said "I'm pro-life, I'm sorry, that's what I am.' Terrible. I don't think he did ANY bridge-building at all. Like Rick Perry and immigration, it didn't seem to me he'd even thought about it much at all.

332 Trying to employ State power to compel people to sin against God doesn't seem very nice.

333 Leftism does have a certain obsession with sticking it to Christianity.
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Christianity sets up a moral standard completely separate from the state, and as such is a real problem for the left which wants the State to determine what morality is (while changing it up a regular basis).

This goes to the core of liberalism - look at the French revolution. As soon as the left came to power they were executing priests...

334 Where was I moralizing, ace? Show me. (Which you can't.) And, for that matter, you can't show me in what Huckabee said, that one time. (Geez, and I hate Huckabee...) You don't like that he used the word libido. Your entire grievance is based on that you don't like his using the word libido because in strawmen, stereotypes, and other quotes, people who used similar words seemed like moralizing nags. You are arguing the wrong thing. As an example, is there racism? Yes, sure. Is the term "blackhole" racists? John Wiley Price thinks so -- but that is because his brain is broken and his only argument for anything is racism. That fact that racism exists does not validate John Wiley Price's crazy. Are there moralizing SoCons and religious people? Oh, yeah. But that was not what Huckabee said, it is not what an honest reader would interpret him as saying, and being offended that a religious person used a word in completely proper context makes you the SoLib version of John Wiley Price's racism. You reacted to something that, quite literally, did not exist, and it shows a sensitivity that is out of proportion.

335 Little sister don't you do what your big sister done

336 Lawyers don't necessarily use the term in this manner, but Obama Care certainly seems to have a "disparate impact."

337 You'll see the look and you'll see the lies You'll eat the lies and you will Stone Temple Pilots http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht672-wYelc

338 It's quite "discriminatory."

339 There is too much goddamned offense being taken, everywhere, and this is especially hypocritical among people who are CONSTANTLY telling others to stop taking personal offense at every political disagreement. ------------------- This is true of society as a whole, so I'm sure its true of this board to some extent. Why would anyone take offense to someone having a different view than them. Now I can find you ignorant, stupid, dumb, lazy or evil for holding a viewpoint, but it doesn't offend me in the slightest. Though now that i just looked up the definition of offend (feel upset, annoyed, or resentful), maybe it does a little.

340 Intolerant.

341 Huck brought "libido control" into it. Lot of baggage there.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:27 PM (ZEvg7)

 

Huck brought "Libido Control" into it because he was talking about how democrats treat women like they are nymphos that can't keep their legs shut and so need Daddy Government to give them their birth control in order to protect them from their actions.  But he said "can't control their libidos" instead of "horny sluts" because yeah that would have really gone over well.

 

Huckabee is not like here by pretty much anybody.  Even the biggest religious socially conservative here among us do not seem to have really any use for him at all and want him to go away.  So when there are a large number of people saying that the reading of what Huck said is incorrect there's probably some merit to that.

342

D-Lamp:

 

That actually is, I think, ironic!!  lol

343 And it does violate the principle of the Separation of Church and State.

344 328 Is there a test I can take to determine my so con status? Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2014 05:29 PM (SJX5m) ********** Shit seriously.

345 And the First Amendment.

346 238 Who walked in here with Huckabee on their shoes and tracked it all over the fucking rug? Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2014 05:17 PM (hNkBv) Now that's good.

347 But, like the Second Amendment, the First Amendment is Gay.

348 Huck brought "libido control" into it. Lot of baggage there. Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:27 PM (ZEvg7) I never understood this baggage frankly. There are two sides of this coin. One that is prudish to the point of being Puritanical, the other is "Floozy mode" (for lack of a better phrase). The dems are clearly adopting the second side of this coin. Meanwhile most of us are saying "you know, this isn't a black/white dichotomy, and in making it so you guys are being stupid." But somehow that puts us on the "puritan" side of the coin regardless? Consider a nominally politically neutral group: The American College of gynecologists. They want to make standard of care an IUD in every 13 year old girl. Under the idea that every teenage girl will have sex, they simply can't control themselves according to ACOG. Is this really presumption we should just roll with? I frankly think it's demeaning to both parents and young women. But apparently that makes me a prude or something. (The democrats writ large are no different, except they also believe you can't pay for the IUD either so they want to give it to you.)

349 "The big difference is that ED pills are used to treat a medical condition to allow normal bodily function, and BC pills are used to cause a medical condition that prevents normal bodily function."

Doesn't birth control become pretty much irrelevant in the case of erectile dysfunction?

Women enjoy sex too, right?  Then shouldn't treating ED be a cornerstone of women's sexual health as well?  Why should a sexually confident woman have to live in frustration because her spouse or partner is afflicted with ED?

It's time to push back against this notion that insurance covering ED only benefits men.  ED treatments help women enjoy a normal, healthy sexual relationship with their partner.

350 306 S-4? Sean Bannion got that 47 Delta loaded with beer right? On the cargo hook while the cargo space has a BBQ grill and about 300lbs of steak? Yes. But since this is the HQ you know some numbskull forgot to bring the grounding hook, so there will be no sling loading. Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2014 05:26 PM (yz6yg) EoJ will volunteer to ground out the lift, god bless him.

351 Like Rick Perry and immigration, it didn't seem to me he'd even thought about it much at all. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:30 PM (/FnUH) ************ Na--he just dealt with the reality of it for years. And had a physical record. Instead of pretty, pretty lies-er words. Heartless. Dog Pile Muther Muckers!!

352 He just went to socons and said "I'm pro-life, I'm sorry, that's what I am.' It's funny but I didn't get that impression at all. I thought he was being honest and respectful of the position. He said he was pro-choice, but would support conservatove judges. Unfortunately it wasn't enough - I was afraid the media and GOP would pronounce abortion a settled issue and we wouldn't even get lip service anymore if I supported him. That and he had some unfortunate underling indictments.

353 Anyone else find it mildly sad that in an OP lauding and hoping that the Little Sisters will win their religious conscience case against the state, Ace is then getting attacked in that same thread for hating SoCons? Even though he was the one who wrote, lauded, and hoped? Cognitive dissonance anyone?

354 It's the obviously true statements that will get you into trouble, because while true, they are uncomfortably true, and our political speech code is that we must falsify statements to protect anyone from discomfort. Especially an obviously true statement that hurts precisely because people apprehend it is true. Honestly, I was angry with things you said yesterday. I thought you were saying general statements of Christian belief are necessarily judgmental and therefore "shaming" and psychically harmful. Even so, you've been very civil with me. I appreciate that. For whatever it's worth. Cheers.

355 I'm a Pro-BonerCon.

356 Let me give an example on the "Two parent household" thing: This is obviously true. But let's think about it. Don't you imagine that many single mothers would in fact like to be married? You know, I'm sure, that it's very hard for a single mother to land a husband. Men, being men, generally do not want the baggage of kids they didn't conceive. In other words: Don't you think this may be, for many single mothers, a wound into which you are rubbing salt? Something they sort of know is true, and are already kind of smarting about? So in this kind of statement, I'd say it's a real danger area. I'd say it depends on what your goal is, and who you're criticizing. For example, if you directed this sort of statement to delinquent dads who won't man up and do the right thing, you're obviously going to be upsetting single women less (and I guess, delinquent dads more, if we care about that). And it depends on how you put it. This is why social conventions dictate so much rhetorical throat clearing -- "Look, I think well of black people, and I support them, but the black crime rate..." -- before saying something critical. Now does that work? Actually, usually not. People skip right to the criticism. But it at least helps, sometimes, in marginal cases. A bunch of pointed statements calling people out unadorned by this Rhetorical Flourishes of Goodwill and Respect beforehand are going to sound a lot worse than the sort of critiques that are more cautiously offered.

357
Is the conservative movement for Christians only, yes or no?


I've got to tell you you have lost your mind. On your very blog, the most commonly used term of derision is SoCon. The way to signal unity is to claim to be a FisCon.

Meanwhile in the realm of actual politics, the people being actually shouted down, and forced to bend to the morality of one side are the SoCons

358 Y'all are burying the lede. Ace said he has a son back up the comment thread.

359 Not in a gay way, though.  At least not until it's mandated anyway.

360 Cognitive dissonance anyone? Residual hangover form the threads last night.

361 You know why our politicians end up stuttering cluster mucks? It's the Huckabee-ing. And you minutiuaed like a lawyer.

362 361 Not in a gay way, though. At least not until it's mandated anyway.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 24, 2014 05:37 PM (kUgpq)

 

He doesn't look like Trayvon does he?

363 Huck brought "Libido Control" into it because he was talking about how democrats treat women like they are nymphos that can't keep their legs shut See, this is the problem. What's Huck's definition of women (all women, not just married) "keeping their legs shut"? Is it abstaining from sex altogether? Or is it NFP-style workarounds? Prominent posters advocated the former view several times in the thread. That view is untenable.

364 *minutiae-d* like a lawyer. Holy microscope Batman.

365 >>>It's funny but I didn't get that impression at all. I thought he was being honest and respectful of the position. He said he was pro-choice, but would support conservatove judges. ... Well he was respectful yes, and honest, yes, but honestly, to seek the nomination of a pro-life party, I think he had to be more than this. He had to be a little apologetic, a little "I beg your forgiveness." I suppose it counted for something that he showed respect but that's not such a high bar is it? And furthermore, from a political point of view, this obviously wasn't nearly enough, as he was soon out of the race. (There were a bunch of reasons for this, including his horribly passive debate performances and the saga of his mistress and the cops who were escorting them around for their trysts (remember this? I just saw reference to it yesterday, stumbling across it for some reason), but he did not at that point have any kind of solid rapport with socons and so this other crap and that together doomed him.)

366 I've got to tell you you have lost your mind. On your very blog, the most commonly used term of derision is SoCon. The way to signal unity is to claim to be a FisCon. Hell no. The most prominent, prolific, and well-liked posters are almost always socons. Get off the victim horse.

367 >>>Y'all are burying the lede. Ace said he has a son back up the comment thread. I meant in the future. Now that I have coined "Fuckbucket," I have a reason to actually conceive a child.

368 It's a thing called "Legacy," folks.

369 Plus--what if you held your own writing to the Huckabee-ing standard? Would that decrease your output and in effect shut you up? Stealth censorship--there you go.

370 Let me put it this way to the two socons I'm talking with about Giuliani: Whatever Giuliani did, it was merely enough to secure a low level of affection. It did not earn your vote. So then: Not enough.

371 Well he was respectful yes, and honest, yes, but honestly, to seek the nomination of a pro-life party, I think he had to be more than this. He had to be a little apologetic, a little "I beg your forgiveness." Romney did that, and it always seemed opportunistic to me and most other SoCons too, I'd imagine. I didn't support Giuliani, but I like him still. It was actually his other baggage that made me look somewhere else.

372 "He just went to socons and said "I'm pro-life, I'm sorry, that's what I am.' Terrible. I don't think he did ANY bridge-building at all. Like Rick Perry and immigration, it didn't seem to me he'd even thought about it much at all." Agreed. That's why he never got off the ground. It's a similar problem to what Romney faced (on different issues). He announced his positions, but never explained them in a convincing, coherent way. One of many reasons why the nuts who says Reagan couldn't get elected today are all wet. Most serious people will overlook differences on a few specific matters if they believe the politician is coming from a coherent, grounded philosophy. Thus, we could disagree with RR without suspecting he was a "squish." We knew what he stood for and if he had to make a compromise we could bite our lips and understand that he was still with us.

373 I actually thought Gulianni was engaged in pulling the exact same shit that John Kerry did in 2004.  Both are Catholic.  And both pulled the "Personally Pro-Life but can't push my personal views onto the people I represent."

374 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 24, 2014 05:43 PM (+NYjg) That, and mayor to prez is a big jump. Now, as AG he would have been awesome.

375 I hope some pedantic asshole who remembers how to graph grammar haunts the fuallippah outta you. (justice.)

376 Whatever Giuliani did, it was merely enough to secure a low level of affection. It did not earn your vote. So then: Not enough. But, had he won the nomination, I would have supported him wholeheartedly.

377 So in this kind of statement, I'd say it's a real danger area. ------ Ace I think this is absolutely true. But does that mean we shouldn't bring it up. I don't think you would think that in total, but many times it does mean you should just shut up. I think the problem is that it takes some skill to talk about this without getting in big trouble. Just like dealing with rape v. abortion. Paul Ryan dealt with it a lot better than Akin. You can't ignore it completely because then you just cede the argument. So you can't ignore the argument that the 2 - parent household is probably better for society in general. But obviously going there is fraught with risk. A difficult thing that should be left to the most skilled politician methinks.

378 >>> Plus--what if you held your own writing to the Huckabee-ing standard? Would that decrease your output and in effect shut you up? Stealth censorship--there you go. ... it would indeed, and this is a fair point. My general way to parry it is to say "But I'm not running for President." But that's kind of bullshit, because sometimes I suggest that plain ol' commenters could probably help things by not popping off with upsetting statements. So I don't know. I think this is a good point, and I don't really have a great answer to it. But there is something to the fact that Huckabee is running for president. He speaks for a lot of people; I really dont' speak for anyone but myself. I don't even speak for the Morons, who disagree with me on many things.

379 Why, what a disproportionately high number!

My fault for not specifying- I meant compared to other Christian denominations.

380 ACE: I really think this heavy judging stuff is outside the sphere of politics and shouldn't be part of it. And it's killing us with women.

SOCON: How dare you attack my faith. You hate Christians.

Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:01 PM (/FnUH)

And here is where I note the sophistry.

381 I don't even speak for the Morons, who disagree with me on many things. I don't agree with this all.

382
See, this is the problem. What's Huck's definition of women (all women, not just married) "keeping their legs shut"?

Is it abstaining from sex altogether? Or is it NFP-style workarounds?

Prominent posters advocated the former view several times in the thread. That view is untenable.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:38 PM (ZEvg7)

 

Why does Huck's definition of women matter?  He was talking about how democrats view them which ends up boiling down to nothing but a vagina with a body around it.

383 EoJ: Tell me, straight up: Is the conservative movement for Christians only, yes or no? Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:16 PM (/FnUH) --------------------------- No. And thanks for that. I thought I had earned myself some benefit of the doubt here, and that is my mistake. When it's dick joke time, great to see you. When it's core issues time, fuck off. This place is what it is. Nothing more. Like I said, my mistake.

384 Meanwhile most of us are saying "you know, this isn't a black/white dichotomy, and in making it so you guys are being stupid." Well, a lot of the baggage is that talking about women's libidos and the control of such goes back to the idea that women are the sexual gatekeepers, and therefore the double standard with respect to promiscuous men vs. promiscuous women. Also, as artisanal 'ette pointed out upthread, that word coming from Huck sounds creepy.

385 Is it abstaining from sex altogether? Or is it NFP-style workarounds?

Prominent posters advocated the former view several times in the thread. That view is untenable.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:38 PM (ZEvg7)

This is a load of bullshit. They did no such thing.

386 Look, when commenters are coming to the defense of Huckabee you may need to rethink some shit.

387 Why does Huck's definition of women matter? He was talking about how democrats view them which ends up boiling down to nothing but a vagina with a body around it. Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 05:46 PM (LI48c) Huck's definition of women keeping their legs shut. damn it, buzzion, read.

388 Well he was respectful yes, and honest, yes, but honestly, to seek the nomination of a pro-life party, I think he had to be more than this. He had to be a little apologetic, a little "I beg your forgiveness." ------ I liked Giuliani a lot, but the pro-life issue is basically a proxy for the judges you would appoint. With Giuliani, I never had any confidence he would appoint a conservative justice.

389 @358, I kind of disagree. There are things that are true for individuals that may not be true for a group. Like, think of a teacher shaming a student for turning in a really crappy paper. I mean calling that kid out, dunce cap treatment and all. It is hell for the kid -- but the rest of the group learns a lesson as well, and that can be a very good thing. We have deified single moms. They're sacrificial saints, the hardest workers around, living in a rarified sphere. By and large, that's not true. For most of them, they were irresponsible, have poor impulse control, and live crappy lives of hardship and poverty that they brought on themselves. Individually, they deserve compassion because their lives suck. But, societally, I'm actually for a lot of shaming here -- because it could keep girls on the margin from making very bad, very damaging, very stupid and avoidable choices. * I know several single moms. With one exception (who is a great lady), they are actually really selfish, crappy moms. But they pat themselves on the back a lot, so I guess their self-esteem is good. ** One of my idiot teenage cousins purposely got pregnant because she loved her boyfriend so much and she didn't want him to leave for a different school after they graduate. Her even dumber younger sister is seeing all the fawning attention that her sister is getting and has been posting to FB about how she can't wait to get pregnant, too. She's already been treated for STDs, so she's on the right track! Those impressionable, fickle, weak girls are the ones who would be positively impacted by some public shame. If it doesn't look cool, it would deter them more effectively than anything else.

390 >>>Ace I think this is absolutely true. But does that mean we shouldn't bring it up. I don't think you would think that in total, but many times it does mean you should just shut up. I think the problem is that it takes some skill to talk about this without getting in big trouble. Just like dealing with rape v. abortion. Paul Ryan dealt with it a lot better than Akin. You can't ignore it completely because then you just cede the argument. So you can't ignore the argument that the 2 - parent household is probably better for society in general. But obviously going there is fraught with risk. A difficult thing that should be left to the most skilled politician methinks. right I mean this is what I'm saying. Let's say I wanted to do a post on the black crime rate. I keep bringing this up not because I really want to talk about it but because this is one of those things htat makes people intensely uncomfortable. Now, do I do one of my normal, roll out of bed at the crack of 11 slapdash specials on the topic? No. If I do such a post, I plan to write it, edit it, send it to the cobs for comments, and make it bulletproof in terms of fact and defensability, and I make it as NON-insulting as possible, knowing, in the end, no matter now NON-insulting I want it to be, it will be very insulting indeed to many blacks. Here's my thing: If Huck had given a long, thoughtful, careful speech on the values of controlling one's libido, I actually... WOULD HAVE HAD NO PROBLEM. But I do think serious subjects need to be discussed seriously, and senistive subjects should be discussed sesnitively. What annoys me is this sort of Popping Off Without Much THought or Care About Consequences sort of ethic that is not only being defended in the movement, but often celebrated, as in "Good for him, he's authentic, he gave them what's what."

391 Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 05:46 PM (LI48c) ^^^This. You'd be surprised how many liberals I know whose basic assumption is "we have to get IUDs in everyone because these women don't wake up in the same bed twice, so pills are far to restrictive." By the by, these are liberal women who have said this to me.

392
>>>Get off the victim horse.

No victim horse. Merely pointing out things as I perceive them.

Yes there are many Rons and Ettes who seem well liked in the comments. The interactions with the bloggers seem to differ.

I generally enjoy the rough and tumble disagreements here. I'm just a little stunned that Ace seems to think that the Moral Majority is some overweening force in society right now while we go "slouching toward Gomorrah".

393 EoJ, >>> And thanks for that. I thought I had earned myself some benefit of the doubt here, and that is my mistake. dude, you've been basically trolling and parodying me for three days. I'm not crying about it, and I'm not telling you you can't do that or shouldn't do that, but you've been pretty hard on me. So, fine, I'm a big boy. You want to give me a shot, you get to give me a shot. But now how do you turn this around and say that you've earned a benefit of the doubt from me?

394 This is a load of bullshit. They did no such thing. Posted by: KG at January 24, 2014 05:47 PM (p7BzH) AllenG and others effectively translated "libido control" as abstinence before marriage, which they asserted was completely doable. Well, it is, but they sure didn't endorse any other definition. So no, not a load of bullshit.

395 Yoshi you have been lying your ass off about the commenters who disagreed with ace. Really disappointing.

396 This is obviously true. But let's think about it. Don't you imagine that many single mothers would in fact like to be married? Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:36 PM (/FnUH) Wish we had time to discuss this aspect in depth. Do you know why there is so much difficulty nowadays for single women getting married? It's because they fucked up the monopoly they used to have. (Literally and figuratively.) The pussy cartel used to require marriage as a prerequisite to sex. When they threw that away, they threw away the leverage to get what they wanted out of life. Crude and simplistic, but this is a quick description of this social dynamic. Where did they start going wrong? 1. Discovery of Antibiotics. 2. World War II creating a scarcity of males. 3. Birth Control pill. All that stuff added together broke the monopoly to the detriment of what most women really want out of life.

397 AllenG and others effectively translated "libido control" as abstinence before marriage, which they asserted was completely doable.

Well, it is, but they sure didn't endorse any other definition. So no, not a load of bullshit. Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:51 PM (ZEvg7

No, they said controlling one's libido included abstinence. Lauren brought up NFP, which ace repeatedly dismissed.

398 But I do think serious subjects need to be discussed seriously, and senistive subjects should be discussed sesnitively. ---- Some politicians are better than others. For our side right now, I think Ryan, Cruz and Paul can get stuck in the weeds on these tough issues because they are not going to say something stupid. Though even now there are things that Cruz should stay out of just because of how he is perceived. It would be better for the movement to let Ryan or Paul make the arguments.

399 But now how do you turn this around and say that you've earned a benefit of the doubt from me? ------------------------- I didn't say I had. I said I thought I had. And if you think I'm trolling, then fine - I'll go. I'm not wearing that one.

400
Huck's definition of women keeping their legs shut. damn it, buzzion, read.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:48 PM (ZEvg7)

 

You know when you eliminate a major portion of my own comment to push your point you really don't have a lot of room to whine when I do the same to you.  Learn to read yourself buddy.

401 Yes there are many Rons and Ettes who seem well liked in the comments. The interactions with the bloggers seem to differ. Well of course they're going to disagree a lot with Ace and the cobs. Doesn't change the fact that 90% of the comments are socon-favored.

402 And it depends on how you put it. This is why social conventions dictate so much rhetorical throat clearing -- "Look, I think well of black people, and I support them, but the black crime rate..." -- before saying something critical. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:36 PM (/FnUH) Most "social conventions" are lost on blogs and comment sections. All you've got is text. I notice a lot of people taking things out of context, misreading, not reading entire dialogs or threads, etc. And, of course, not knowing Ace's previous posts or comments (even days, months, years back) it's hard to explain what one is trying to say. And, I also see people who seem to argue for the sake of arguing. What's the point in that. Anyway, time to mix up a drink for TGIF. People just need to take all of this less seriously.

403 Yay, another socon smackdown thread!

Not a socon here. Sort of a libertarian isolationist paleocon.

Completely happy to have socons in the party. Someone once a long time ago said some stuff about big tents. Perhaps it would be good to think about keeping as many people in the tent as possible. In order to, y'know, win elections and things.

But, here's the rub. If socons are going to be in the tent, is it too much to ask that socons exercise a reasonable duty of care in their public statements about hot-button issues?

Because going off on frankly clinically insane tangents about how women have magic rape sperm detectors in their vajayjays is something that doesn't prop up the tent so much as it does light the goddamned thing on fire.

And before anyone says defensively, "That was just the one guy," no, it bloody well was not just the one guy. A bunch of other socons, incredibly, actively rushed to his defense after he had said the indefensible. Enormously bad optics.

404 398 Yoshi you have been lying your ass off about the commenters who disagreed with ace. Really disappointing. Posted by: KG at January 24, 2014 05:51 PM (p7BzH) You're a drive-by bullshit poster. I'd be disappointed, but I didn't have respect for you to begin with.

405
AllenG and others effectively translated "libido control" as abstinence before marriage, which they asserted was completely doable.

Well, it is, but they sure didn't endorse any other definition. So no, not a load of bullshit.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:51 PM (ZEvg7)

 

Actually the person that was insisting that Libido Control could only mean abstinence was ace.

406 And, I also see people who seem to argue for the sake of arguing. What's the point in that. ----- Well some people find that fun. ------ People just need to take all of this less seriously. ------ I think most of us just come here for the fun of venting with people on political issues. You really can't have these conversations at the water cooler or family dinners (well not for long in my family).

407 You're a drive-by bullshit poster. I'd be disappointed, but I didn't have respect for you to begin with.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 05:56 PM (ZEvg7)

It is yourself you are damaging.

408 You know when you eliminate a major portion of my own comment to push your point you really don't have a lot of room to whine when I do the same to you. Learn to read yourself buddy. Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 05:54 PM (LI48c) You realize I quoted your whole post?

409 Because going off on frankly clinically insane tangents about how women have magic rape sperm detectors in their vajayjays is something that doesn't prop up the tent so much as it does light the goddamned thing on fire. ---- I do think it is somewhat unfair to socons to attribute his statements to the socon population at large. But I say that as someone who considers himself a socon.

410 It is yourself you are damaging.

Posted by: KG at January 24, 2014 05:57 PM (p7BzH)

Blah, terrible grammar there, heh.

Anyway, yea, I'm not drive by, been here years lurking then commenting. Like I was trying to say in the quoted comment, your actions speak louder than your words.

411 Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 05:56 PM (LI48c) AllenG repeatedly asserted that there were only two options - sex or birth control. Now if he meant NFP stuff to be under "birth control," then I am wrong about his position. But he never said this, and most people don't understand it that way.

412

My Whole post:

 

Huck brought "Libido Control" into it because he was talking about how democrats treat women like they are nymphos that can't keep their legs shut and so need Daddy Government to give them their birth control in order to protect them from their actions. But he said "can't control their libidos" instead of "horny sluts" because yeah that would have really gone over well.

Huckabee is not like here by pretty much anybody. Even the biggest religious socially conservative here among us do not seem to have really any use for him at all and want him to go away. So when there are a large number of people saying that the reading of what Huck said is incorrect there's probably some merit to that.

Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 05:33 PM (LI48c)

 

 

What you quoted:

 

365 Huck brought "Libido Control" into it because he was talking about how democrats treat women like they are nymphos that can't keep their legs shut

 

You didn't even quote my entire sentence let alone my whole post.  You know how I know you're a liar?

413 buzzion, A lot of socons tell me they spring into quick defense/attack mode because they're so tired of the endless attacks on them. They're tired of all the attacks, weary from them. Okay, fine. Let's analogize from that. Women are voting Democratic. Among the reasons (there are more than just this one, but this is among them) is that they feel that the GOP kind of insults them. Do you accept the possibility that if one expects an insult one will be more likely to hear one? And if so: Does that mean people should maybe be cognizant of this fact as far as their own speech? And please answer the question in both cases. Please don't give me a double-standard answer where you tell me I need to watch my tendency to offer insult where none is intended but major GOP candidates do not have to do the same with respect to single women.

414 Posted by: KG at January 24, 2014 05:59 PM (p7BzH) Drive-by describes your MO, not the length of time you have been reading. You only come out of lurkdom to snipe at somebody's comment with 1-2 sentences of purified vitriol.

415 Meanwhile in the realm of actual politics, the people being actually shouted down, and forced to bend to the morality of one side are the SoCons

I hope you're not getting splinters from that cross you've hoisted yourself on. 

Tell me- how many pro-gay marriage Republican Senators are there?  How many pro-abortion GOP nominees have we had in recent history?  How many faith-based groups were given an audience by the candidates?

Shouted down?  Being forced to bend?  Yes- by you lot.

The slightest suggestion that just maybe it's smart politics to tone down the Whore Pills rhetoric a bit, or that economic issues resonate more with voters during a bad economy than abortion and you people go apeshit playing the poor, neglected victim.

No matter how passionately and frequently your SoCon ass gets kissed, it's never enough.

416 NFP is a form of birth control, but I agree most people wouldn't consider it to be because we think of birth control as being "artificial." Sometimes you just have to accept constructs that society has created even though it would be technically correct to say that abstinance and NFP are forms of birth control.

417 Why drink the water from my hand? Contagious as you think I am Just tilt my sun towards your domain Your cup runneth over again Don't scream about, don't think aloud Turn your head now baby just spit me out Don't worry about, don't speak of doubt Turn your head now baby just spit me out Why follow me to higher ground? Lost as you swear I am Don't throw away your basic needs Ambiance and vanity Collective Soul - December http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utYjsmDzMi0 (It's a religious song)

418 I think what a lot of people are pissed off about is the use of generalizations when criticizing the various coalitions within the republican party. No party of the party is homogeneous, socons, ficons, no one, so calling socons x pisses off a lot of socons who aren't x.

419 Tell me- how many pro-gay marriage Republican Senators are there? How many pro-abortion GOP nominees have we had in recent history? ----- Let me just say that I find one to be more damaging than the other.

420 Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 06:01 PM (LI48c) Fine, you want to bring the entire conversation into it? Then please explain how my response to that post took your quote out of context. I don't think it did. Your snipped response, though, definitely did misunderstand my post.

421 I'm only half goofing about the mandated thing.  In the near future I can see gay sex being a requirement for graduation in some schools.  Like the required volunteering requirements.

422 Which I'm okay with - I'm the farthest thing from a SoCon.

423 So the market had a good day.

424 Not that there's anything wrong with that.

425

Do you accept the possibility that if one expects an insult one will be more likely to hear one?

And if so: Does that mean people should maybe be cognizant of this fact as far as their own speech?

And please answer the question in both cases. Please don't give me a double-standard answer where you tell me I need to watch my tendency to offer insult where none is intended but major GOP candidates do not have to do the same with respect to single women.

 

Yes that goes without saying.  I don't even know why you would think I would offer up some double standard.

426 >>>I think what a lot of people are pissed off about is the use of generalizations when criticizing the various coalitions within the republican party. No party of the party is homogeneous, socons, ficons, no one, so calling socons x pisses off a lot of socons who aren't x. sorry, I don't think this is true. I can restrict my criticism to one single socon, and bring no one else in, and the socons will take offense on his behalf, and take it as an attack on them. If I say "some socons," it means all. If i say "Mike Huckabee," it means all socons. If I say "Sarah Palin," it means all socons. Whatever I say winds up being part of the narrative of "socons are always under attack."

427 425 I'm only half goofing about the mandated thing. In the near future I can see gay sex being a requirement for graduation in some schools. Like the required volunteering requirements. Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at January 24, 2014 06:07 PM (kUgpq) Jeff B. and Monkeytoe went on an hours long diatribe about how someone must be a complete wacko nutjob to suggest that schools will ever require participation in homosexual activities. Then a few days later, there were THREE DIFFERENT EXAMPLES in the news of this exact same behavior occurring. People need to keep an open mind about the possibilities of how ugly things can get.

428 The party would function a lot better if everyone thought the same thing I did.

429 >>The slightest suggestion that just maybe it's smart politics to tone down the Whore Pills rhetoric a bit, or that economic issues resonate more with voters during a bad economy than abortion and you people go apeshit playing the poor, neglected victim.


That's bullshit. No one here came to Akin's defense, the only defense I saw was in the form of  a question :  Why do liberals rally around their wounded politicians and republicans rush to throw them under the bus?
Maybe it's because some republicans, such as yourself, hate socons and wish them political harm, just spitballin' here.

430 the only defense I saw was in the form of a question : Why do liberals rally around their wounded politicians and republicans rush to throw them under the bus? Doesn't that imply we should have rallied around Akin, aka defending him? ?????

431 Whatever I say winds up being part of the narrative of "socons are always under attack." ---------- What if you say Rand Paul? I don't think so cons are always under attack. In fact, they have quite a bit of control in the political world. Maybe on this board they are under attack by some (it is just a blog with passionate commenters), though not every criticism is an attack. I completely disagree with the sentiment that if we just got rid of the socons we'd be much better off. I also believe a lot of socon politicians actually set the socon movement back. And some socon issues are more important than others. I don't believe the mainstream socon movement in any way supports sodomy laws. But every group has its fringe that is often used to smear the entire group. That's life.

432 That's bullshit. No one here came to Akin's defense, the only defense I saw was in the form of a question : Why do liberals rally around their wounded politicians and republicans rush to throw them under the bus? Maybe it's because some republicans, such as yourself, hate socons and wish them political harm, just spitballin' here. Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2014 06:13 PM (DpEwG) Was very pissed at both Akin AND Murdock. (sp) Couldn't believe anyone would be so stupid as to fall into the trap of discussing that stuff, and then blowing up not only their own chances, but probably pushed the national election into the operating range of Barry's cheating machine. I find the idea that those two cost us the Presidency to be an all too plausible theory.

433 Fine, you want to bring the entire conversation into it? Then please explain how my response to that post took your quote out of context. I don't think it did.

Your snipped response, though, definitely did misunderstand my post.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 06:06 PM (ZEvg7

 

Your response was nonsensical.  Focusing on a topic that had nothing to do with what I had written.  I had written about Huckabee talking about how Democrats view women.  And how they view women is nothing more than a vagina.  And one of the ways they view them as just their vaginas is that they are nymphos that can't keep their legs closed that require the government to protect them from the consequences of their actions.

 

And then you started asking me about Huckabee's definition of women who can't keep their legs shut.  And that serves exactly what purpose?

434 >>>sorry, I don't think this is true. I can restrict my criticism to one single socon, and bring no one else in, and the socons will take offense on his behalf, and take it as an attack on them.

<grin>
There you go again. You say "the socons will", instead of "some socons". Even though you immediately go on to talk about how saying "some socons" doesn't work. What doesn't work is the broad brush. When you say something about the whole group, then every member of the group believes that you said something about them personally. Because you did.

435 >>sorry, I don't think this is true. I can restrict my criticism to one single socon, and bring no one else in, and the socons will take offense on his behalf, and take it as an attack on them.


I think what socons were pissed about with respect to Huckabee is that they saw the criticism of him misplaced, in this instance, and perceived it as opportunity for you to attack socons in general, i.e.socons need to watch what they say, maybe just shut-up, and show up to vote and get out the vote.

436
That's bullshit. No one here came to Akin's defense, the only defense I saw was in the form of a question : Why do liberals rally around their wounded politicians and republicans rush to throw them under the bus?
Maybe it's because some republicans, such as yourself, hate socons and wish them political harm, just spitballin' here.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2014 06:13 PM (DpEwG)

 

Actually there were some.  Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney was one of the idiots that was constantly defending Akin and wanting everyone to double down on the support for Magic Rape Sperm Goalies in women's cooters.

437 Doesn't that imply we should have rallied around Akin, aka defending him?

????? Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim


Why try that when it's much easier to bury him.

438 The problem with Akin is that he damages the pro-life movement more than he helps. He's like Captain Sobel. He may be very well intelligent, but he doesn't quite know how to lead the fight. He is more of a liability than asset in the pro-life cause. Now of course, his statement to me is pretty innocous compared to Wendy Davis who thinks it perfectly acceptable to kill babies after 20 months. But I understand the battlefield that we pro-lifers are fighting on. It may not be fair that we have to navigate these landmines, but it is what it is.

439 I find the idea that those two cost us the Presidency to be an all too plausible theory. ----- I don't buy that for a second. I'm not going to let Mitt Romney off that easy.

440 433 Or one of the reasons we are "Conservative" (those of us who are SoCons included) is we have a passing affection for what is True, Just, and Consistent. Now the question Akin got asked is not an easy one, but you can do a hell of a lot better at answering the question than he did. Then when he was called on it (which was the entire point of the question) he dug himself further with the magic rape detector ovaries. If you call the left on their circle the wagons mentality, but then yearn for the same treatment no matter what bone headed things our side says or does, you, rightfully, open us up to calls of hypocrisy. Is what the left does right? Hell no. But if we win by using the same tactics as they do, well that is as pyrrhic a victory as I can think of.

441 If you believe winning elections is the ultimate goal, then throwing people under the bus seems a strange tactic to achieve those goals.

442 "Now the question Akin got asked is not an easy one, but you can do a hell of a lot better at answering the question than he did. Then when he was called on it (which was the entire point of the question) he dug himself further with the magic rape detector ovaries. "
He just noted (with an awkwardly way) the same thing that the Johns Hopkins institute has found: women who are raped are less likely to get pregnant than under ordinary conditions. Much less likely.
But nobody wants to hear that or think about it, its easier to just kick him in the pills and look around to see if anyone on the left was watching and pats you on the head.

443 If you believe winning elections is the ultimate goal ----------- I don't believe that. Moving the country in a conservative direction is the ultimate goal for me.

444 Your response was nonsensical. Focusing on a topic that had nothing to do with what I had written. I had written about Huckabee talking about how Democrats view women. And how they view women is nothing more than a vagina. And one of the ways they view them as just their vaginas is that they are nymphos that can't keep their legs closedthat require the government to protect them from the consequences of their actions. And then you started asking me about Huckabee's definition of women who can't keep their legs shut. And that serves exactly what purpose? Yeah, I got that Huckabee's message was that "Democrats view all women as horny sluts," which is insulting to women. PROBLEM: what if Huck's definition of a horny slut is different from the average single woman's definition? What if Huck thinks an unmarried woman who regularly engages in NFP sex qualifies as a horny slut? Now the response is "that's not Huck's definition" - but how the hell is anyone supposed to know that? NFP is NOT defined under birth control for most people.

445

He just noted (with an awkwardly way) the same thing that the Johns Hopkins institute has found: women who are raped are less likely to get pregnant than under ordinary conditions. Much less likely.

 

It was very awkward.  It was horribly awkward.  It was taking the chance of getting pregnant in rape being reduced to making it next to impossible

446 That's bullshit. No one here came to Akin's defense, the only defense I saw was in the form of a question : Why do liberals rally around their wounded politicians and republicans rush to throw them under the bus?

In other words, defending him.

447 He just noted (with an awkwardly way) the same thing that the Johns Hopkins institute has found: women who are raped are less likely to get pregnant than under ordinary conditions. Much less likely. Even if this is true, likelihood has no bearing on this discussion. The fact is, some rapes do result in pregnancies, and total pro-lifers have to articulate a good response to that. Saying "most of them don't" is completely irrelevant.

448 He just noted (with an awkwardly way) the same thing that the Johns Hopkins institute has found: women who are raped are less likely to get pregnant than under ordinary conditions. Much less likely.

So much for that "nobody was defending him" thing.

449 446 Well, I cannot speak for everyone here, but I am not looking for a pat on the head. To me, Akin's comments were badly put and thought out. To me. If someone is going to ask you a question about abortion and rape (and you know in this day and age every moderator is going to ask) you have to have a better put together and thought out argument. But, even his argument is a form of dodge of the question. Even if what he says is true, that women are less likely to conceive when raped, then he is not answering the original question of whether abortion would be allowed IF THEY DO. If you are going to dodge the question, which is what he was trying to do, there are better ways than avoiding the original minefield of the question, but then picking a new more dangerous minefield to go traipsing through.

450 So much for that "nobody was defending him" thing.
Posted by: Hollowpoint

We're up to one person, congratulations, you've won the internet.

451 Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2014 06:33 PM (DpEwG) I'm more interested in how you suggest the correct option is "bury him." Yeah, how are we supposed to do that without loudly rejecting his views when the media trumpets them nationwide, 24/7? There is no way to "quietly disappear" Akin when CNN is broadcasting his remarks.

452 "It was very awkward. It was horribly awkward. It was taking the chance of getting pregnant in rape being reduced to making it next to impossible"
Except he didn't say that. he just said women's bodies have a way of taking care of that, he didn't say anything about odds or remotely anything about impossible. That's presumed by people. Maybe he thinks so, Akin comes across as kind of dumb, but nothing he said suggests it.
Hollowpoint is the perfect example of the guy who doesn't give a crap what actually was said, and insists on being in there first for the kick in the ribs. He's always totally rejected the facts and actual dialog and substituted what the press told him it was about, and I've never understood why.
Maybe the medical data on this is wrong and women aren't less likely to get pregnant from rape, but I haven't seen any data that supports such an assertion.
All I see are people who want to be first in line to condemn the guy without thinking about it.

453 455 I think part of what we need to do is a better way of preparing our candidates. That would also help us weed out the ones who have obvious hoof in mouth issues. Maybe ask them the same types of questions they will be asked in the general during primaries. I dunno, it is not an easy thing. I do not think that Akin was a bad guy or an asshole, just that he was not ready for primetime.

454
I'm more interested in how you suggest the correct option is "bury him." Yeah, how are we supposed to do that without loudly rejecting his views when the media trumpets them nationwide, 24/7?

The Republican Party did all they could to get him to drop out of the race.  Romney denounced it.  The state Republican party here in Missouri urged him to drop out but they don't have the power to force him out (because *he* is on the ballot, not "the party").  The national party cut off funding.  There is not anything else that could have been done for the official Republican apparatus to express their disapproval, except perhaps execution by firing squad.

The reason why Akin was such a millstone nationally was because the Democrats successfully nationalized the story.  That is why. 

455 I think what socons were pissed about with respect to Huckabee is that they saw the criticism of him misplaced, in this instance, and perceived it as opportunity for you to attack socons in general, i.e.socons need to watch what they say, maybe just shut-up, and show up to vote and get out the vote. Posted by: Dr Spank at January 24, 2014 06:18 PM (DpEwG) I didn't get pissed, but, you're right, others did for this reason. I really dislike Huckabee, but, didn't see the rationale of the attack, either. And, somewhere else you touched on just how or how many. I don't see a lot of people fighting Ace on the "socon" stuff in proportion to the level of heat it creates. I guess I just see a handful, and also imagine there are so many others who are reading, who aren't commenters, or regular commenters who just don't get involved. It always seems like a minimal number of people arguing, on whatever issue, not just socons.

456 Its not like any of this matters. We're not turning this nation around no matter what tactics are used. There's no fixing things at this point, just brace and be ready to rebuild.

457 381 >>> Plus--what if you held your own writing to the Huckabee-ing standard? Would that decrease your output and in effect shut you up? Stealth censorship--there you go. ... it would indeed, and this is a fair point. My general way to parry it is to say "But I'm not running for President." But that's kind of bullshit, because sometimes I suggest that plain ol' commenters could probably help things by not popping off with upsetting statements. So I don't know. I think this is a good point, and I don't really have a great answer to it. But there is something to the fact that Huckabee is running for president. He speaks for a lot of people; I really dont' speak for anyone but myself. I don't even speak for the Morons, who disagree with me on many things. Posted by: ace at January 24, 2014 05:45 PM (/FnUH) ******** Okay thanks. That addresses the issue on the micro level but what about the bigger picture-- this: Well talk about heavy handedness-- your dissection of Huckabee's statement was hypercritical and joining the larger mass of critiques-- so in the grander scheme of things hyper-intolerant of his effort to even be heard. It's kind of how kids end up stuttering cluster--you know what's and I dare say it's part of the Left's shut up mentality. It's probably how Bush, Perry and other right talkers end up barely able to talk because they realize every damn word they say is going to be-- hyper-criticized--taken out of context and/or purposefully misconstrued. It's stealth censorship of a sort.

458

Except he didn't say that. he just said women's bodies have a way of taking care of that, he didn't say anything about odds or remotely anything about impossible. That's presumed by people. Maybe he thinks so, Akin comes across as kind of dumb, but nothing he said suggests it.

 

Here's your problem yes it does.  He first of said ""If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."  That sure sounds a lot like making it next to impossible.  Then after the blow up he was on the next day or the day after talking about how he had just learned that yes it is possible that women can get pregnant during a rape.  So yes he definitely did think that it was impossible for women to get pregnant during a rape.  He even admitted he thought that by talking about what he just learned.

459 I doubt if there was anyway to save Akin but it's interesting that no one on our side ever tries in those situations, and the Party is quick to denounce unless it's one of their own.

460 Posted by: chemjeff at January 24, 2014 06:43 PM (p0Ap4) Wow. We really did pull out all the stops.

461 buzzion, you ever going to respond to 448?

462 I guess ace has punched out for the week, or "punch a socon" as he likes to say.

463 "'Here's your problem yes it does."
You're free to infer that if you want, but its not what he said.
I think the reason people get so heated on this and attack social conservatives/fiscal conservatives so bitterly is the delusion that if only we get the right politicians in place everything will be okay. That only if the right folks are elected and put into power we'll be able to fix everything and those stupid (insert group you dislike here) would just shut up and go along we'd win.
The guys at the top reflect the nation, not the other way around. The people who are in power are what the voters choose. We can't turn around anything from the top down, in a democracy. You have to change the culture and shift the worldview, and that only can happen with time, education, and hard, hard work.
The left figured this out over 100 years ago and they worked for decades to get it done. Now they're reaping the rewards. Voting for x or y candidate won't change that. Even if they won they couldn't change this culture, and they'd face a constant uphill battle from the bureaucracy and the agencies.
Everybody wants a short term answer to fix things fast, and that is simply not possible.

464

Back on topic, I'm wondering if this stay, or even an ultimate "win" for the charity's exemption, is really a win at all. 

 

Borrowing some of JackStraw's logic on O-care - and it is sensible and nobody has really questioned the a priori logic of it - anything that "fixes" or ameliorates - or reduces the swatch of destruction - of O-care *could* be seen as hurting the basic cause of repealing it.   So, "wins" against O-care aren't wins at all, really, if they lessen in any degree the pain and outrage (rightly) felt as a consequence of that idiotic, indefensible, unconstitutional atrocity.  (BTW, the sort of language that should always be used by GOP office-holders when speaking publicly about it)

 

On a non-tactical level, there is also something that smells very wrong about exemptions, yes even those for charities or religious groups.  The point is that, thanks to the constitution (plus two centuries of history), we ALL get exemptions from noxious gubamint interference in our lives.  One shouldn't have to "qualify".  It's very different from say, conscientious objection to military service under conscription.  In that case, the service burden is an extraordinary and short-term kind imposed for (nominally) vital national and social interests, and the resolution is to provide many alternative sorts of options for service.  O-care is taking over your financial and medical life to a great extent (and forever), an unprecedented and laughably impermissible assault on freedom in a constitutional and open society.  Very different.

 

So ..... aside from my sympathy meter simply not moving off zero for religious outfits that preach social fascism at home and de facto support for genocide ("pacificism") abroad, why should I welcome a "win" that merely deletes one small feature from the vile monstrosity of O-care, and thereby might reduce the breadth and intensity of the movement for its complete repeal?

465 465 buzzion, you ever going to respond to 448?

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at January 24, 2014 06:51 PM (ZEvg7)

 

Here's my response.  You're focusing on a side issue which is pointless to the topic.  A side issue I have no need to address.  A side issue which I cannot answer because I actually don't give a damn about Huckabee.  But I can acknowledge that he is right on how democrats view women.

466 Posted by: buzzion at January 24, 2014 07:01 PM (LI48c) That side issue is the reason the average single woman hears a speech like Huck's and takes away "he thinks I'm a slut, so fuck him." Thereby destroying the entire point of a Republican making that speech. So I disagree it's a side issue.

467 We're up to one person, congratulations, you've won the internet.

You forgot the person in the mirror.

468 On a visit to Ireland, I witnessed this exact same thing; two brothers fist fighting. Then hugging. No lie. Posted by: dogfish at January 24, 2014 05:21 PM (nsOJa) Hence my "pub" comparison from a different thread. Yeah, it's like that. Ace drives me nuts sometimes, and he can be as frustratingly bull-headed as SoCons, but that's part of that AoS lifestyle charm. That and the Val-U-Rite. I don't mind the infighting. It's not as if it really matters in the long run, and it's better to get your RAEG on in a good pub brawl and work that frustration out. The leftists are too PC to admit we need a virtual Fight Club.

469 Posted by: Hollowpoint

I defended him where?

470

It is a side issue.  Because it takes the focus away from the point, which is about how democrats actually view women.

 

Now if you want a discussion about whether Huckabee should be the spokesman bringing this up or whether how he said it is the proper way to bring the point across, well then perhaps you might want to go back and read that comment you swore you quoted the entirety of but didn't even quote the entirety of the sentence and the answer on that should be fairly clear.

471 damn sock. Also. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 24, 2014 06:55 PM (zfY+H) This. As much as a quick fix to our financial woes would be fantastic, it's not really possible until you eliminate (metaphorically) the FSA LIVs. The only way to do THAT is by changing the culture. Sadly, that's going to take a while. The Democrats are already ahead of the game by decades.

472 I defended him where?

Are you joking or being intentionally dishonest?

Whining about how he was thrown under the bus isn't defending him?  Really?

473 476 I defended him where?

Are you joking or being intentionally dishonest?

Whining about how he was thrown under the bus isn't defending him? Really?
Posted by: Hollowpoint

I'm sure your brain worked well enough at some point so you could afford a computer, I'm assuming you've had some kind of brain injury since then(you might want to check your diaper cuz something smells funny).
My point was that we always throw our idiots under the bus while the left almost never does. It's a complex thought so show it to a couple of people so they can explain it to you.

474 My point was that we always throw our idiots under the bus while the left almost never does. It's a complex thought so show it to a couple of people so they can explain it to you.

Dishonesty status: Confirmed.

475 For Hollowpoint, if you don't hate someone as much as he does, you're a supporter.