April 23, 2014

Jeb Bush Says He's Thinking About Running for President
— Ace

I haven't seen this much buzz and hype about a product America had no particular desire for since Cop Rock.

But, as Steve Jobs said, how does the customer even know what he wants? I guess that's the theory of a Jeb Bush bid.

From Politico, via @drewmtips:

Jeb Bush on Wednesday was the most vocal heÂ’s been about considering a run for the White House in 2016.

The Republican told a crowd of about 200 people at a Catholic Charities fundraiser in New York that he is “thinking about running for president,” according to an attendee.

The response came to one of the first questions posed to Bush at the Union League luncheon. After his answer, the room went wild, and then someone [who I will speculate is Jen Rubin-- ace] said they hoped he would take the step.

I don't get this, I just don't. Larry Kudlow was ecstatic.


Bush was praised by Kudlow for his focus on immigration reform and urged not to back down.

“Why would I back down from it? It’s the right thing to do…we’ve got to be an inclusive party,” Bush said, according to the attendee.

On his support of Common Core educational standards, Bush noted, “I’m getting hit from both sides on this one.”

I dunno. Jeb seems to be one of those politicians who has a set of ideas he's not willing to compromise with the base on, nor is he willing to make basic efforts at persuading him of his ideas. "Act of Love" isn't persuasion. It's a very weak effort at emotional shaming, which is (rightly) perceived as a hostile form of communication.

So this is what the Establishment has cooking, huh?

Meanwhile, Rand Paul states the obvious -- the law on abortion won't be changed until the public's consensus opinion on abortion has changed -- but that sort of concession probably won't be well-received by those for whom the pro-life cause is of paramount importance.

This sort of "Pro-Choice in my heart but not as a practical governing platform" may read as centrist to some, and will gain some votes and lose others.

AllahPundit notes Paul has similarly made centrist noises on gay marriage...

[Q:] Right. But it seems what theyÂ’re saying is that the Republican Party should stay out of issues like gay marriage.

[A:] I think that the Republican Party, in order to get bigger, will have to agree to disagree on social issues. The Republican Party is not going to give up on having quite a few people who do believe in traditional marriage. But the Republican Party also has to find a place for young people and others who donÂ’t want to be festooned by those issues.

This may be a good thing, and this may be a bad thing: But the Republican Party is currently so divided on so many things I'm not really sure what the Republican Party is any more.

That isn't necessarily bad. Maybe it's a sign of openness and adaptability.

But all of my instincts are in favor of someone that "unites the base," and I'm not sure who the hell can even do that any longer.

Is such a thing possible?

Maybe my basic notion that we need a candidate who "unites the base" (and hence papers over deep philosophical differences) is just wrong, and such a thing is impossible, and we actually cannot avoid an actual intramural war to decide what this party actually is. Maybe we will have to have Losers and Winners.

Posted by: Ace at 02:59 PM | Comments (323)
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1 No. Just No.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 23, 2014 03:00 PM (bb5+k)

2 Oh Joy...

Posted by: Hello it's me Donna and I know nuthink! at April 23, 2014 03:01 PM (9+ccr)

3 Yeah Ace...Jeb "Teddy" Bush is as wanted as Apple's Newest Idea the "I-Cod" jockstrap...


Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:01 PM (TE35l)

4 He will NEVER be President. Two words: Terry Schiavo.

Posted by: LibertysLeviathan at April 23, 2014 03:01 PM (G22e9)

5 American royalty - the Clintons and the Bushes. Because, as we know, they are the best this country can offer. And that says more about the country than it does about them.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 03:01 PM (BZAd3)

6 Why can't he open a restaurant like every other self absorbed douche.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at April 23, 2014 03:02 PM (JFUyc)

7 1 No. Just No.  Posted by: D-Lamp at April 23, 2014 07:00 PM (bb5+k) ---------- On both counts.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 23, 2014 03:02 PM (Eri3o)

8 "Why can't he open a restaurant like every other self absorbed douche." Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at April 23, 2014 07:02 PM (JFUyc) Take a lap!

Posted by: Don Schula at April 23, 2014 03:03 PM (lq3Ak)

9 GW was at least likable,Jeb is a pudgy faced scold.

Posted by: steevy at April 23, 2014 03:03 PM (zqvg6)

10 It's an "Act of Love"...for AMERICA!!!

Posted by: tu3031 at April 23, 2014 03:03 PM (1Hxgp)

11 Rand is doing an awesome job making the case for Cruz in the primaries.

Posted by: Boomslang Joe at April 23, 2014 03:04 PM (HDgQ/)

12 PLEASE GOD, MAKE IT STOP!!

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at April 23, 2014 03:04 PM (5fSr7)

13 If he calls us TeaParty Hobbits or extremists he's got my vote. Racist against brown folks would be a cherry on top.

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:05 PM (QeH9j)

14 I'm reminded of a quote from ASOIAF, which I've adapted for our use: “The White House is mine by rights." Jeb said. "All those who deny that are my foes.” “The whole of the realm denies it,” said the GOP voter. “Old men deny it with their death rattle, and unborn children deny it in their mothers’ wombs. They deny it in Texas and they deny it in Alaska. No one wants you for their president. Sorry.”

Posted by: TenthJustice at April 23, 2014 03:05 PM (BUaSt)

15 11 Rand is doing an awesome job making the case for Cruz in the primaries. Posted by: Boomslang Joe at April 23, 2014 07:04 PM (HDgQ/) You said a mouthful right there.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 03:05 PM (BZAd3)

16 11 Boomslang Joe at April 23, 2014 07:04 PM (HDgQ/)

You can take the Nor out of Luap but evidently not the Luap out of Darn.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:05 PM (TE35l)

17 The Left didn't wait for public opinion to change to change laws (via judiciary mainly) on gay marriage.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:06 PM (ZPrif)

18 A couple points: 1. If you are any person of influence in the GOP, of course you are thinking of running for nomination. If you say you don't then you lose your influence. And of course you put out certain feelers because that is how you gauge what influence you have. So Rand, Jeb, Ted, Rick, Marco, and Chris may all have interest, but I doubt they will all run. I'm not much interested in who all has interest at this point. 2. I have no doubts about Paul's pro-life belief. If you think he is like his father, you shouldn't either. They have always been strongly pro-life. And to some extent I agree with him. However, laws can also move opinion. We won't overturn abortion in one fell swoop. It will take some incrementalist approach. I don't doubt Paul would keep trying to move that ball forward. All that being said, the pro-life question is really a litmus test for the kind of justices you will appoint - since that is where the law will be changed. He may be right, but if he were elected and won, he would have a potential opportunity to move us closer to the pro-life side through his nominations.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:06 PM (gmeXX)

19 Momentary OT: If you've missed Silicon Valley on HBO, they are now running the first three episodes in succession. Back to regularly scheduled commenting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:06 PM (DmNpO)

20 Left damn sure didn't wait for public opinion to support socialized medicine before imposing Obamacare.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:06 PM (ZPrif)

21 Left routinely imposes gun control laws against public will when it can.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:07 PM (ZPrif)

22 Oh,and I'll never believe marriage is for anyone but one man and one woman.

Posted by: steevy at April 23, 2014 03:07 PM (zqvg6)

23 Jeb? No.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 03:07 PM (0HooB)

24 Posted by: TenthJustice at April 23, 2014 07:05 PM (BUaSt) ASOIAF?

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (QeH9j)

25 The definition, to me, of open minded is someone who's either empty headed or just unwilling to take a stand for fear of offending someone.

Neither one of which is very intelligent or someone I'd want to lead the country.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (JS0vr)

26 kewl. this way, the Dead Elephant Party can shuffle off to the Hidden Whig Graveyard and we can move the phuck on

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (Cq0oW)

27 LIV preference for "status quo" means some of the LIVs will change opinion to agree with whatever the status quo is. So if you change the law they'll change their opinions to match, cause sheep.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (ZPrif)

28 18 SH at April 23, 2014 07:06 PM (gmeXX)

No I think Luap Darn is son of Nor because of his batshit conspiracy mongering WRT a set of conflicts I have lost about a dozen military friends to.

The whole Pro-Life sorta and "only the left gets to do whatever the hell it wants" shit is just frosting on the Luap Cake

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:08 PM (TE35l)

29 JEB BUSH -- INSANELY GREAT!!!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:09 PM (JS0vr)

30 Rand Paul is starting to do what I absolutely loathe Jeb Bush for doing. Lecturing the base. Jeb Bush is notorious for lecturing the base. "Act of love" isn't new for him. He's always telling us what terrible people we are for not liking his latest hairbrained scheme. I figured it was a tic when it was just his love of limitless immigration, but I have absolutely had it when it comes to Common Core. If Romney couldn't get conservatives out enough to get elected, what makes Jeb think a fatter, older, less likable candidate who has the name "Bush" stands a better chance?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:09 PM (T0NGe)

31 The media-savvy candidate who makes a case for federalism has a chance. Otherwise, we're all screwed.

Posted by: Furious George at April 23, 2014 03:09 PM (P85Pz)

32 Left does this regularly with the idea that you can accelerate public opinion changes by forcing public fights on the issue and, when you can, pass laws in the face of public opinion.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:09 PM (ZPrif)

33 Old ladies in Florida love Jen Bush. Just like they loved Mitt. And McCain.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (glXHi)

34 All this supposed love for Jeb... To whom do the powers-that-be attribute this great adoration because, I'm a Floridian, and don't know a single other Floridian who supports him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (DmNpO)

35 My guess is that this will probably help Rand Paul more that it will help Jeb Bush: https://tinyurl.com/m7uex8h 40,000 voters registered in both Virginia and Maryland.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (BZAd3)

36 I know Republicans are way out of touch, but if Jeb Bush thinks he's saying the right things to get the R nomination...

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (fW9N0)

37 While on the topic of Bushes, let me go out on a limb and say that IMHO GWB gets almost as much a raw deal from revisionist conservatives nearly as from Boosh deranged lefties. Yes I am not behind the whole "nation building" thing (or massive Medicaid expansion) but the guy had a rock solid love of this country and a deep appreciation of America's role as leader of the free world (albeit with too much sticking our nose in and keeping it there) That said, no more Booshes obviously.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (HEo6y)

38 Jeb Bush must be running for the D nomination. That makes more sense.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:10 PM (fW9N0)

39 This is another example of the ridiculousness of politics. Clinton vs Bush? Aren't we sick of this crowd? Jeb, I'm begging you, please, please go away.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (A98Xu)

40 That was a quality "Cop Rock" blast, Ace. -The media are forever telling the conservatives "what they need". -"If they only ran So-And-So, we'd hate them less!" -I say that knowing full-well that the GOPe is desperately looking for "Daddy MFM's" abusive love, as well. How about we run on Money and Money alone? When someone asks about social issues, (even though you believe what you believe), you simply say: "I'm the only one in this race looking to diminish executive power."

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (lq3Ak)

41 >>Maybe we will have to have Losers and Winners. So far we got the "Loser" part pretty much covered.

Posted by: Aviator at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (3rrMW)

42 9 GW was at least likable,Jeb is a pudgy faced scold. Posted by: steevy at April 23, 2014 07:03 PM (zqvg6) I resent that!

Posted by: Ashley Judd at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (T0NGe)

43 edit need to syntax hard

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 23, 2014 03:11 PM (HEo6y)

44 I guess for me the primary problem is total dishonesty. EG, the celebration of GHWB, a war hero, statesman, and family man, who demands we thank him for lying to us about raising taxes to get a budget deal. The deal was repudiated by the next President. It didn't balance the budget. It merely got his nards out of the mangle for that summer. This has become the height of Republican statescraft. It doesn't matter what they swore to get elected. It doesn't matter whether it works. All that matters is escaping the crisis this week. That ought to be good enough. With people committed to that foolishness, there can't be any negotiation. They will always be looking for a way to get out from under their commitments. So arguing the merits of conservatism is really pointless. I could win on every point, today; but 2 months from now I will be betrayed. And ordered to like it.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 23, 2014 03:12 PM (5xmd7)

45 the Republican Party is currently so divided on so many things I'm not really sure what the Republican Party is any more.

The one thing liberals, moderates, and conservatives agree on is that all of them hate the Republican party.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 23, 2014 03:12 PM (6GRz5)

46 Jeb and Hillary mean we're aristocratic, that is, out of new people and out of ideas. Losers both.

Posted by: Feh at April 23, 2014 03:12 PM (g/zj9)

47 42 Ashley Judd at April 23, 2014 07:11 PM (T0NGe)

Puffy did you read the script for the SyFy project I am pitching?

Adder the story of the last honest person at Treasury being pursued by a 30 foot snake?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (TE35l)

48 Jeb? Perfect excuse to totally ignore 2016. LIB.

Posted by: Old Glazier at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (XFES9)

49 Rand Paul will be the nominee. It will be Rand Paul vs hillary clinton (and the clinton-obama-media machine). And clinton will win. So all this chatter and speculation is academic, moot, and pointless.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (fW9N0)

50 I love how the Leftoids got to indulge their Id with Ogambe, but our side is always and forever expected to compromise. With Jeb and Rand, we see the live and let live with the Left approach from both the establishment and the libertarian wings' respective mainstays. And that approach has served us just smashingly the past two decades. Give me one candidate who doesn't accept the Leftist fucktard critique of what's possible or that this is what's going to pass for our culture and country from now on. I want a leader whose sole mission in life is to roll these pieces of shit back.

Posted by: Boomslang Joe at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (HDgQ/)

51 Let's assume that Jeb is self-aware and knows (a) the base loathes him by now and (b) nobody with the last name "Bush" will be President again in my lifetime. Stalking horse for Rubio?

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:13 PM (T0NGe)

52 There are parts of Jeb that I like. I know many on this board disagree, but his family is generally likable. And at one time, he probably would have been a good choice for the GOP. I think even in 2012 he would have been a better choice than Mitt. But I don't see the appeal of Jeb in 2016, particularly if HRC is the other nominee. I'm not totally against another Bush in the WH, but there is something unrepublican about it. And we do not lack for other nominees (like we did in 2012). I'm still hoping for Walker to gain some traction. The one benefit of Jeb running is that he could prevent Christie and Rubio from running. The former missed his chance, and the latter is just not ready (just keep him in the Senate). I don't think Jeb is anywhere near a sure thing if someone like Walker or Pence runs.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:14 PM (gmeXX)

53 All this supposed love for Jeb... To whom do the powers-that-be attribute this great adoration because, I'm a Floridian, and don't know a single other Floridian who supports him. Me neither. He was meh as guv down here, certainly nothing to make me vote for him for preezy. At least I had a job whilst he was guv, so there's that.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 03:14 PM (0HooB)

54 @34 NDH don't go all Pauline Kael. Jen Bush won the governorship with 55 and 56 % of the vote, so somebody in Florida must like him.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:14 PM (glXHi)

55 Jeb and Hillary? The Aristocrats? I sense a bad visual accompanying a joke headed my way.

Posted by: Furious George at April 23, 2014 03:14 PM (P85Pz)

56 6 Why can't he open a restaurant like every other self absorbed douche. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton   And sell sammiches named after famous people, like a Terry Schiavo or an Elain Gonzales. Mmm mmm good.  

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 23, 2014 03:14 PM (uopHF)

57 "When someone asks about social issues, (even though you believe what you believe), you simply say: "I'm the only one in this race looking to diminish executive power."" ...Regulatory power, as well. Let's save some money and you'll figure out just how much of this CRAP you don't need.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 03:14 PM (lq3Ak)

58 All your base belongs to me.

Posted by: Scott Walker at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (oari7)

59 OT: But if they built a pipeline for this alternative energy, they Obama would have no trouble at all approving it. https://tinyurl.com/lbm828q And by the way - we'd better pray that G-d doesn't exist... otherwise, we're doomed.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (BZAd3)

60 re 49 Are you saying that Cruz is definitely ineligible? My money says Cruz over Rand with a majority of conservatives and Cruz way over Rand with conservatives-leaning independents.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (HEo6y)

61 Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 07:13 PM (T0NGe) You give a politician a lot of credit they don't deserve but you may be right.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (A98Xu)

62 Jeb Bush v Chris Christie Two men enter. No donuts leave.

Posted by: garrett at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (H5WiS)

63 It will be Rand Paul vs hillary clinton (and the clinton-obama-media machine). And clinton will win. *** I would pay to see Hillary debate Rand.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:15 PM (DmNpO)

64 59 LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 07:15 PM (BZAd3)

Why do you think I've just about given up TJ?

God is shifting his glorious gaze elsewhere and He SHOULD.

The Chinese or Brazil will have his protection.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:16 PM (TE35l)

65 "Hear the trumpets, hear the pipers. One hundred million angels singinÂ’. Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum. Voices callinÂ’, voices cryinÂ’. Some are born anÂ’ some are dyinÂ’. ItÂ’s AlphaÂ’s and OmegaÂ’s Kingdom come." Oh yeah, when the man comes around....

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 23, 2014 03:16 PM (kduZC)

66 The public consensus is shaped by what is taught, shown, etc.  People tend to support abortion or homosexuality because they are exposed to a polished, spun, "friendly" and biased view on it. If they actually had a sit down no bullshit explanation of the nitty grittys of both, and the effects they've had on law and society so far, you'd have 80% or more opposed.

And by the way, abortion has been removed from public oversight, and when the public is asked about gays, via voter referendum,  and they voice their opinion,  its disregarded by courts and legislatures.

Posted by: Saltydonnie at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (BSHik)

67 Should this country be festooned with a President Jeb Bush? Ouiji Board sez:" no"

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (BMrpO)

68 Dude, when even your Mom doesn't think you should run for President, don't run for President.

Posted by: alexthechick - Oh save us mighty SMOD at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (dMSj2)

69 Maybe Chelsea Clinton carries Jeb Bush's love child? Could it be possible?

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 23, 2014 03:18 PM (BMrpO)

70 I liked Jeb a lot more when his education policy focused on vouchers rather than common core

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:19 PM (gmeXX)

71 Winning Florida is key to a Republican winning. It is a lot of votes, and being east coast sets the expectation. So if you are a political strategist (not an ideologue), there are a number of pluses in a Jeb Bush candidacy. Florida. Name recognition. And a direct pipeline to money that fueled three successful Presidential campaigns. I am not saying that this means Jeb should be President. But these political guys are like Hollywood producers. Hey, let's remake that movie everyone loved and put that guy everyone likes in it.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:19 PM (glXHi)

72 59 OT: But if they built a pipeline for this alternative energy, they Obama would have no trouble at all approving it. https://tinyurl.com/lbm828q And by the way - we'd better pray that G-d doesn't exist... otherwise, we're doomed. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 07:15 PM (BZAd3) Here we goooooo. 5..4..3..2..

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:19 PM (QeH9j)

73 Dammit, I wish someone would take this deep philosophical argument seriously: Bill will allow Hillary to implode so that he can spend his last 8 years having sex, not meetings. If Hillary is president, he gets no sex. It's as simple as that. There is no way that the first female president will allow herself to be humiliated. She will have him watched day and night. Bill knows this, so he has a simple choice. He's under lock and key for the next 9 years (including the primary) or he spends his last remaining years tappin' a little ass. Advantage Bill's Penis.

Posted by: MJ at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (oari7)

74 Whats really depressing is the realization that the GOP hasn't won a singe Presidential election since 1928 without either a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket. Yup, in 86+ years one of three men (Bush I, W, or Tricky Dick) were on the ticket.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (CTCNK)

75 Jeb Bush scores 9 out of 10 Romneys on the Electability Meter. Take it to the bank!

Posted by: GOP Establishment at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (8dNrT)

76 The Media playbook:  find someone the base will not vote for, and push him relentlessly as the Nice candidate, the Sensible candidate, the Candidate who Isn't a Maniac Candidate.

They did this will Romney in '12.  All kinds of positive stories until he had the nomination, and then the stories changed and it came out that he was Nasty, Mean, Insensitive, Not Like You. 

Get ready for another Democrat in the White House in '16.

Posted by: Null at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (xjpRj)

77 For f*cks sake I haven't been this excited since I got underwear in my Christmas stocking when I was an 8 year old child. This is just f*cking awesome.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (HVff2)

78 NDH don't go all Pauline Kael. Jen Bush won the governorship with 55 and 56 % of the vote, so somebody in Florida must like him. *** Yes. He did. Twelve years ago. And he has lost traction since. There might be a shitton of old ladies in South Florida who like him, but I've yet to meet one in NEFL.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (DmNpO)

79 How is he going to distance himself from George W.

Posted by: Javems at April 23, 2014 03:20 PM (ZnvRl)

80 The Chinese or Brazil will have his protection. Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 07:16 PM (TE35l) It is so ghastly degenerate that it is nearly impossible to believe.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (BZAd3)

81 I mean, Jeb and his handlers must've looked at Huntsman in 2012 and said hey that's a great campaign strategy, let's do but even more so! And then Team Jeb said and let's add in Rick Perry's remarks about illegals 'cuz that went over great with the primary voters!

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (fW9N0)

82 Do. Not. Want. If intramural war is the alternative, then intramural war is what we got. Kinda feels to me like the establishment is already on board for that, says this hobbit.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (V0aFE)

83 Jeb. Jaysus. I can't even.

Posted by: MDH3 at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (GKyUC)

84

... and when the public is asked about gays, via voter referendum, and they voice their opinion, its disregarded by courts and legislatures. Posted by: Saltydonnie

And those who participated in voicing their opinion are hunted down and rooted out in vindictive witch hunts. No more pool party invites either.

Posted by: OK, Thanks, Bye at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (uopHF)

85 The Special Report Online show is pretty good. Every wednesday at 7 pm. Half hour. Basically a more casual version of the normal panel segments. Funnier, too, usually.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (ZPrif)

86 I think Hillary's penis has an advantage also.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:21 PM (A98Xu)

87 As for Rand's statement on gay "marriage", we've seen it is only for (1) Orwellian redefinition of language in order to (2) empower the persecution of Believers - be they Jewish, Christian, or otherwise. But it is made primarily to empower the persecution and eventual de-humanization into animal status those who disagree. We've seen this, it is not some far off thing. It is what is coming. Any candidate who supports gay "marriage" is covering for fascism and mass persecution.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (Qp0nB)

88 Jeb Bush is the exact opposite one would do to win the R nom, is what I'm saying.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (fW9N0)

89 >>Maybe Chelsea Clinton carries Jeb Bush's love child? Could it be possible? No. It's mine.

Posted by: Turk E. Baster at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (3rrMW)

90 Jeb 2016:

Because McCain Already Has A Job

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (5ikDv)

91 As a public service for those who haven't seen her: Wayne Gretzky's daughter: World class genetics, are world class genetics.

http://tinyurl.com/k4v34oc

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (ylhEn)

92 How is he going to distance himself from George W. ---- If I were him, I wouldn't even try. Conventional wisdom is often wrong. Like the conventional wisdom of the GOP establishment finding the electible candidate or finding the candidate who can win FL.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:22 PM (gmeXX)

93 I'm not saying that if the GOP nominates Jeb Bush and Rand Paul runs a 3rd party campaign I'd vote for Paul....wait. That's exactly what I'm saying.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (8dNrT)

94 NO (just no)

Posted by: Max Power at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (QCc6B)

95 76 Null at April 23, 2014 07:20 PM (xjpRj)

Damn it Patton you read my book!

//Juan "Mav" Rommel

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (TE35l)

96 Jeb Bush is the exact opposite one would do to win the R nom, is what I'm saying. Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 07:22 PM (fW9N0) Mirror Universe Jeb Bush for President! Vote for the one with the goatee!

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (CTCNK)

97 I know this sounds shallow but I find Jeb repulsive looking.

Posted by: Sir Pug A Lott at April 23, 2014 03:23 PM (8c12T)

98 Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 07:20 PM (CTCNK)

I think I'm going to be sick.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (JS0vr)

99 93 DrewM. at April 23, 2014 07:23 PM (8dNrT)

curious Drew out of love for Luap Darn or just as a conscience saving fuck you to the GOPe?

Not being critical.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (TE35l)

100 Why would Rand Paul run as a 3rd party candidate?

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (gmeXX)

101 If Romney couldn't get conservatives out enough to get elected, what makes Jeb think a fatter, older, less likable candidate who has the name "Bush" stands a better chance? Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 07:09 PM (T0NGe) Hey let go of my ego

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (HVff2)

102 74 Whats really depressing is the realization that the GOP hasn't won a singe Presidential election since 1928 without either a Bush or a Nixon on the ticket. Yup, in 86+ years one of three men (Bush I, W, or Tricky Dick) were on the ticket. Huh? What about that young Ronald Reagan Fella?

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (kduZC)

103
This, this Jebbie thing can be reduced to its core by one observation.

As governor he stopped all drilling off of Florida's coast. 


Posted by: CO at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (TiOn5)

104 I often listen to "Imus in the Morning", to see how the common idiot thinks, using only emotions and culture-driven ignorance. The funny thing about Imus? He thinks he knows what he is against -Only. He's never "for" anything except the "Anti-Whatever". That's how the clueless think*. Get them to be against something and you'll have a fighting chance. You can then get away with, "it doesn't really matter Exactly What I think because I just want to get out of your way and stop wasting money." Righteous indignation works both ways and it won't matter what the MFM says. Emotions play to Peoria and Sell in Branson, as well. "Just think. If someone gave you Seventeen Trillion Dollars tomorrow and you were still broke? ...what would you think about the guy who runs your checkbook?"

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (lq3Ak)

105 Every person serious about educating children in America is against Common Core. Jeb Bush? No, he's loving him some Common Core.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:24 PM (A98Xu)

106 57 "When someone asks about social issues, (even though you believe what you believe), you simply say: "I'm the only one in this race looking to diminish executive power."" This. While so terribly sad, abortion is radioactive. Best left out of the conversation. To win, there are more impactful issues important to the LIV.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 03:25 PM (lbN/1)

107 Bush was Reagan's running mateÂ… you know that coveted Texas vote.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:25 PM (A98Xu)

108 80 LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 07:21 PM (BZAd3)

It's the Liverpool way when a dose of Sanger is added.

God bless and keep you TJ.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:25 PM (TE35l)

109 Which party?

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 23, 2014 03:26 PM (ZG3Fa)

110 You know what Jeb (Excellence in Education) Bush majored in, in college? Latin American studies. He majored in a "studies" and dares to say anything about education. I have spoiled yogurt in my refrigerator that has the requisite intelligence to get a degree in Latin American studies. Callate, Jeb.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:26 PM (T0NGe)

111 Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 23, 2014 07:21 PM (BZAd3) You may have been away but it has been going on in a couple British hospitals as well.

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:26 PM (QeH9j)

112 osted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 07:09 PM (T0NGe) Nailed it.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:26 PM (A98Xu)

113 88 Jeb Bush is the exact opposite one would do to win the R nom, is what I'm saying. To that end, you know what would be cool? Have him grow a goatee like Spock did in the Mirror Mirror episode of the old Trek. So, with a goatee we'd all KNOW he really is an arch conservative! That's gold, jerry, Gold!

Posted by: Havildar - Major at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (kduZC)

114 Bwahahahaha.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (x3YFz)

115 106 Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 07:25 PM (lbN/1)

Right that is why John "Bulldog" Boner and Mooch "Dam" McDonald are all over the IRS, Benghazi, and Ogabecare 24/7 with a side order of EPA overreach and fuel prices....

oh wait....oh

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (TE35l)

116 obviously the solution is to find a Nixon relation to run against Jeb

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (Cq0oW)

117 Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 07:24 PM (TE35l) If I have to pick between an idiot who is closer to what I want (Paul) or an idiot who wants pretty much the opposite of what I want (Jeb), I'm going with the former. It's not that complicated.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (8dNrT)

118 24 Posted by: TenthJustice at April 23, 2014 07:05 PM (BUaSt) ASOIAF? Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 07:08 PM (QeH9j) Floppy wieners.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (mx5oN)

119 >>>"The Left didn't wait for public opinion to change to change laws (via judiciary mainly) on gay marriage. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 23, 2014 07:06 PM (ZPrif)" I'm not sure you are aware of the public's view on gay marriage.

Posted by: Max Power at April 23, 2014 03:27 PM (QCc6B)

120 >>>But the Republican Party is currently so divided on so many things I'm not really sure what the Republican Party is any more.>>> I'll tell you what it is: someone else's party. And if they want me to vote for their party or candidates, they're going to have to persuade me. And, currently, I'm not all that receptive to their persuasion.

Posted by: gm at April 23, 2014 03:28 PM (/kBoL)

121 Floppy wieners. Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 07:27 PM (mx5oN) Thanks! That helped! Wait, no it didn't. Que?

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:28 PM (QeH9j)

122 When I consider the possibility of Bush vs. Clinton in 2016, I'm reminded of the War of the Roses. In late 15th Century England, the House of York and the House of Lancaster fought a series of battles for the English throne. As far as I can tell, it was basically a glorified turf battle between rival Mob families. Did the average peasant really give a shit who won?

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 03:28 PM (sdi6R)

123 Jeb; bese me mi pinga.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (JS0vr)

124 does that idiot Lance (running the RNC) really...no really...think we'd vote for jeb bush? If there's a golden plated dipshit of the century award, I have a nominee. And his name is "Lance" (fuck me... Lance? srsly)

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (x3YFz)

125 Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 07:27 PM (8dNrT) It really isn't. Is it?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (HVff2)

126 I don't see what Paul would give away his Senate seat for a 3rd party run. I guess if it is HRC v. Jeb, that could be interesting and he could appeal to all who want to avoid another Bush-Clinton in the WH. Paul will have far more influence as a two time senator in what may be the majority party than a guy who lost a 3rd party run even if he does as well as Perot did in 92.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (gmeXX)

127 Jeb 2016:

Embrace the Suck.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 03:29 PM (5ikDv)

128 117 DrewM. at April 23, 2014 07:27 PM (8dNrT)

Thanks for the reply.

Luap Darn was actually #2 to Perry in my "please" wish list right up until this last 5 weeks.

I am just about to the Solomon in the Temple phase.

All the best,
Sven

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:30 PM (TE35l)

129 Republicans should focus their minds on keeping the House this November.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:30 PM (fW9N0)

130 121 Floppy wieners. Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 07:27 PM (mx5oN) Thanks! That helped! Wait, no it didn't. Que? Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 07:28 PM (QeH9j) Heh. A Song Of Ice And Fire. Game of Thrones. Floppy wieners.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 03:30 PM (mx5oN)

131 I just looked up "establishment republican" in the dictionary and they had a picture of Jeb Bush.

Posted by: Seems legit at April 23, 2014 03:30 PM (A98Xu)

132 124 does that idiot Lance (running the RNC) really...no really...think we'd vote for jeb bush? If there's a golden plated dipshit of the century award, I have a nominee. And his name is "Lance" (fuck me... Lance? srsly) Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 07:29 PM (x3YFz) Reince Preibus Not Lance

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:30 PM (HVff2)

133 I bet the Fox News shills are just giddy about the announcement.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 03:31 PM (thLL8)

134 you mean Prince??

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:31 PM (fW9N0)

135 And isn't Lance's (kills me every time I type it... Lance...) claim to fame that he's done exactly nothing?

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:31 PM (x3YFz)

136 @78 NDH again, don't go all Pauline Kael. As recently as a year ago Jeb was polling at 56% favorable in Florida, so, again, somebody there likes him. Again, not saying that he should be President, just that presuming based on the people you know in NEFL (my mother is a 4th generation Floridian born in St. Augustine, my grandfather did the first multimillion dollar real estate deal there in St Johns county, and Bone Mizell, the original Florida Cracker, is a relative). So I do know a thing or two about Florida politics and what the old ladies there like. Not trying to trump you, just saying I am not talking out of my ass.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:31 PM (glXHi)

137 About 18 months from now, in the Fall of 2015, the primary candidates for the Party nomination (of either party) will be pretty much locked in to the public view. The keys are 1) name recognition 2) ability to raise money 3) energize the base of the respective Party, to win the primary (because only the concerned base will turn out) Walker of Wisconsin has little national name recognition, and may not be able to raise the kind of money to campaign all through the primary season. Perry of Texas has better name recognition, but a lot of that is bad (outside of Texas) due to his performance in the last primary, when he was drugged up on pain killers. Rand Paul, some name recognition, perhaps some ability to raise money Chris Christy - better name recognition, and can probably really raise a lot of money. Turns off the base, though. May be a "dead candidate" walking. Jeb Bush - NAME RECOGNITION!, Able to make big piles of money appear. So the Old Men of the Party see him as likely. Turns off the base? Well citizens, that's your problem.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (BMrpO)

138 Last time I saw Prince Reebus was at the supermarket last week on a milk carton.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (fW9N0)

139 Reince Preibus Not Lance Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 07:30 PM (HVff2) Lance, Reince. eh. There's a difference?

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (x3YFz)

140 Heh. A Song Of Ice And Fire. Game of Thrones. Floppy wieners. Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 07:30 PM (mx5oN) Ohhhhh. Thanks. OT- don't talk about my dreamy man-crush! “He called the president an asshole … that is a fact … I said the President was my longtime friend and then he said ‘your friend is an asshole.’ … At that point I told Steve that HE was an asshole and I wasn’t going to sit at his table while he was being such a jackass. “And I walked out. There were obviously quite a few more adjectives and adverbs used by both of us. Those are all the facts. It had nothing to do with politics and everything to do with character.” It had everything to do with politics you F'ing drone.

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (QeH9j)

141 >>>110 You know what Jeb (Excellence in Education) Bush majored in, in college? Latin American studies. Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 07:26 PM (T0NGe)>>> My sister majored in Chicano Studies. She had to go back to college and try again in order to get a job. But, throw "Bush" behind her name and she could have been a governor? Go figure.

Posted by: gm at April 23, 2014 03:32 PM (/kBoL)

142 Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 07:29 PM (gmeXX) Right now Kentucky law won't let him run for the Senate and the presidential nomination at the same time. So if he gives up his Senate seat and runs for the nomination and doesn't get it, why not run 3rd party? He'd be done in the GOP I hadn't thought of it but it's in the Hot Air post Ace linked.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (8dNrT)

143 Do these idiots not recall what happened to them during the Bush administration, when they made a similarly effort to guilt trip us into an amnesty? And do they recall the real rate of unemployment then versus what obtains today?

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (aUUA+)

144 Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 07:27 PM (TE35l) Good to see you posting Sven. I commend you on your temperance.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (/djtm)

145 139 Reince Preibus Not Lance Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 07:30 PM (HVff2) Lance, Reince. eh. There's a difference? Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 07:32 PM (x3YFz) Both names are totally ghey.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (mx5oN)

146 "I don't get this, I just don't. Larry Kudlow was ecstatic." I do. They are ecstatic because Jeb is like having a Republican when you're not having a Republican.

Posted by: Decaf at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (ilbeM)

147 I thought Prince went back to work for Warner Brothers?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (JS0vr)

148 NO (just no) Your eyes say "yes".

Posted by: rapey GOPe at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (BF1y5)

149 Jeb Bush, the banana in the GOP's tailpipe...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 03:33 PM (W7zKe)

150 Hi: I'm 'thinking' of running for President....Please send money (and lots of it) to P.O. box 123, Lagos, Nigeria. Thank you.

Posted by: alwyr at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (V0j3u)

151 Well I do like to talk out of my ass, I find it refreshing.

Posted by: Hairy Reid at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (A98Xu)

152 >>>Reince Preibus Not Lance Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 07:30 PM (HVff2) Lance, Reince. eh. There's a difference? Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 07:32 PM (x3YFz)>>> He's Prince Ribus to me. That's how I always read it anyway. And I don't care enough about him to try to get it right.

Posted by: gm at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (/kBoL)

153 Jeb: 2016?

Smashing idea!

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Vooorhies IV [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (5ikDv)

154 That was Steve Wynn.

Posted by: RWC at April 23, 2014 03:34 PM (QeH9j)

155 Right now Kentucky law won't let him run for the Senate and the presidential nomination at the same time. ---- My understanding is he can't run for Pres and Senate at same time - not nominations. Is that incorrect? If he runs for the GOP nom does he give up his Senate seat (I guess maybe because he can't run for a Senate primary)? Or can he run for GOP primary, lose and then run for Senate? If you are right, he is making a big gamble. I think I'd focus on getting the law changed.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:35 PM (gmeXX)

156 Lance, Reince. eh. There's a difference?
***
It's ok. They're both men with a minimal set of balls...

Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 03:35 PM (6iEQd)

157 P.S. Ludlow is just Bill O'Reilly with a better grasp of economics, which ain't saying much. Green shoots! King Dollar! What a dunce.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at April 23, 2014 03:35 PM (aUUA+)

158 WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Amid the celebration surrounding the opening of son George W. Bush’s presidential library Thursday, former first lady Barbara Bush brushed aside talk of a Jeb Bush run for the White House in 2016. Appearing in an interview from Dallas on NBC’s “Today” show, Mrs. Barbara Bush was asked if she thought that Jeb, the former governor of Florida, should seek the presidency. “He’s by far the best qualified man,” (disagree) Mrs. Bush said, “but no.” “We’ve had enough Bushes,” she said, saying “it’s not just four families, or whatever.” (right)

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:35 PM (nqBYe)

159 >>>So if he gives up his Senate seat and runs for the nomination and doesn't get it, why not run 3rd party? He'd be done in the GOP I hadn't thought of it but it's in the Hot Air post Ace linked. Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 07:33 PM (8dNrT)>>> That'd be cool. Then I wouldn't have to leave the president slot blank November 2016.

Posted by: gm at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (/kBoL)

160 I believe the fix has been in for Walker for a while, actually. Where is Reince Preibus from again? That may not be indicative of anything, but I think Preibus got his spot because the GOP in Wisconsin is ascendant.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (glXHi)

161 So clearly, they made a deal that Hilary will be President. Not sure who is runnin the Country at this point, but its not the government.

Posted by: simplemind at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (hTeQK)

162 144 Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 07:33 PM (/djtm)

Thanks I've been lurking...

been trying to keep calm and exercise more...

spouse just got in after going to work at 0430.....

an E-7 in our vastly overpaid and overpensioned military

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (TE35l)

163 157 P.S. Ludlow is just Bill O'Reilly with a better grasp of economics, which ain't saying much.
***
So, basically he's an Irish Setter...

Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (6iEQd)

164 137 Jeb Bush - NAME RECOGNITION! Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 23, 2014 07:32 PM (BMrpO) That's a double-edged sword considering that the name Bush is radioactive to large swathes of the population.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (sdi6R)

165 Again, not saying that he should be President, just that presuming based on the people you know in NEFL (my mother is a 4th generation Floridian born in St. Augustine, my grandfather did the first multimillion dollar real estate deal there in St Johns county, and Bone Mizell, the original Florida Cracker, is a relative). So I do know a thing or two about Florida politics and what the old ladies there like. Not trying to trump you, just saying I am not talking out of my ass. *** You aren't trying to trump me? Really? What part of "I'm a Floridian, and don't know a single other Floridian who supports him." don't you understand? If I can't speak for my own damn experience, then who the hell else can?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:36 PM (DmNpO)

166 161 So clearly, they made a deal that Hilary will be President. Not sure who is runnin the Country at this point, but its not the government. Posted by: simplemind at April 23, 2014 07:36 PM (hTeQK) It's teh Joooos. Duh.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (mx5oN)

167 no more Bush's,Clinton's, Obama's, Kennedy's.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (nqBYe)

168 When you're party gets rid of a whacko Black guy in favor of some guy from Wisconsin named Priebus?

You're fcuked.

In all orifices. Simultaneously. No lube.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (JS0vr)

169 I like Jeb and think he would probably be a "good" president, certainly better than the ballerina we now have. I'd be happy to vote for a Republican "it" candidate who's more conservative, but who is that candidate? This isn't really about ideological purity if we care about the country. It's about who can beat Hillary!. Are there any Reagans on the horizon, and if so, who are they? If not, why shouldn't I vote for Jeb Bush over the insufferable sufferagette?

Posted by: Caliban at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (2ArJQ)

170 Posted by: T. Coddington Van Vooorhies IV at April 23, 2014 07:34 PM (5ikDv) *** I've missed you.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:37 PM (DmNpO)

171

Clinton/Bush 2016!

Posted by: Brought to you by Value-Rite Vodka now in one gallon jugs. at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (mETGQ)

172 You guys vote for me in '16, I'll get y'all cush jobs...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (W7zKe)

173 Every person serious about educating children in America is against Common Core. What about Billy Gates?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (WhJf8)

174
"Jeb Bush cheered on at Catholic Charities fundraiser"



"Hail Hydra!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (kdS6q)

175 Walker sounds ok,, although He needs to charm the Liv's.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:38 PM (nqBYe)

176 You guys vote for me in '16, I'll get y'all cush jobs... Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 07:38 PM (W7zKe) I vote for OG!

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:39 PM (nqBYe)

177 Kudlow had Jen Rubin on his radio show last Saturday.
The were in rapture over Jeb's "act of love" statement.
Kudlow and Rubin are both open border advocates.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 23, 2014 03:39 PM (I9I9J)

178 Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 07:35 PM (gmeXX) You might be right. As I said, the first I thought of it was seeing the Hot Air post. In some ways it doesn't matter. I'd either vote for another 3rd party candidate (Libertarian maybe) or just not vote for anyone. I simply won't vote for Jeb (or Christie).

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (8dNrT)

179 What about Billy Gates? He is not serious about educating children in America.You cannot be if you support Common Core. It's a cluster*uck.

Posted by: Hairy Reid at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (A98Xu)

180 I don't like Jeb. That being said, how often do you hear people complain that politicians stick their finger in the wind do/say something depending on how the wind is blowing that day. You have to give Jeb credit on at least sticking to what he believes, even if it means killing his chances.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (0LHZx)

181 A Goldwater conservative, establishment RINO or something in between, we're boned either way. We just ain't got the numbers in a national election. And if by some miracle a Republican does win, what exactly are they going to do?

Posted by: lowandslow at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (IV4od)

Posted by: Fritz at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (oJUxt)

183 To win, there are more impactful issues important to the LIV. It's the economy, stupid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 03:40 PM (0HooB)

184 156 Lance, Reince. eh. There's a difference? *** It's ok. They're both men with a minimal set of balls... Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 07:35 PM (6iEQd) Actually my best friends name is Lance. He didn't name himself and he was man enough to serve his country in the US army. I don't pick on Reince because of his name just his inept dufusness

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (HVff2)

185 Thanks Willow,my first endorsement! For that, you get to be in charge of quality testing the imported liquor!

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (W7zKe)

186 Common core is his fault, basically.   So no.

Posted by: SarahW at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (Lbv/k)

187 178 DrewM. at April 23, 2014 07:40 PM (8dNrT)

Yup my lines are drawn too.

Luap Darn is making it the Three Amigos! every time he channels Nor but what can you do....?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (TE35l)

188 Backwards, if it was the economy, Obama should have lost the last election.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (nqBYe)

189 They're really trying hard to push Al Gore over the edge.

 I predict mass murder if one more Bush is elected president.

Posted by: Fritz at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (oJUxt)

190 Ed Gillespie 2003–2005 Virginia Ken Mehlman 2005–2007 Washington, D.C. Stepped down at end of 2006 Mel Martinez 2007 Florida Served with Mike Duncan as general chairman. Mike Duncan 2007–2009 Kentucky Senator Mel Martinez served with Duncan as general chairman before stepping down in October 2007. Michael Steele 2009–2011 Maryland First African-American chairman. Jan Larimer served as co-chair. Reince Priebus 2011–present Wisconsin Sharon Day serves as co-chair. The RNC's chronology of fail.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 03:41 PM (thLL8)

191 A Bush vs. Clinton Election... We once fought a War that against an Aristocracy...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 03:42 PM (84gbM)

192
Jennifer Rubin ‏@JRubinBlogger

Now I need a Towelette and a cigarette*




*I'm guessing.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (kdS6q)

193 you get to be in charge of quality testing the imported liquor! Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 07:41 PM (W7zKe) oh er, you do know if i drink more than a couple small glasses of anything i'm doing thread counts on the rug under the table?

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (nqBYe)

194 Out of the following.. -- Jeb Bush -- Ron Paul -- obama -- clinton I'd choose Ron Paul. So, yeah, I'm more than okay with Rand Paul in the White House, given the choices we have.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (fW9N0)

195 181 lowandslow at April 23, 2014 07:40 PM (IV4od)

The optimist in me says if we can peel enough single white gals and emo Pajama Boys on econ issues we're golden....

the realist in me says after Amigo Grande! we're gonna be looking UP at 1974 for House and Senate GOP %s

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (TE35l)

196 Posted by: simplemind at April 23, 2014 07:36 PM (hTeQK) Not the government by and of and for the people. The ubiquitous bureaucracy is in charge.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (/djtm)

197 Oh, I shoulda added Chris Christie to that list.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (fW9N0)

198 In some ways it doesn't matter. I'd either vote for another 3rd party candidate (Libertarian maybe) or just not vote for anyone. ---- Fair enough. I'm hoping it won't be either of those two. But if you are correct, and it is a Bush/Clinton contest, I think a Paul 3rd party run is interesting to think about. I have my doubts he could win, but I think he could easily pull the same popular vote percentage that Perot pulled. Not sure he would win any states, but could be interesting. Ponuru made a somewhat compelling case for Paul on the ticket at VP. If Jeb asked him, he'd have to say yes wouldn't he?

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (gmeXX)

199 I know! I want the job of watching the drink testers of the imported alcohol!

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:43 PM (nqBYe)

200 I've had my fill of a "uniter, not a divider," thank you very much.

Posted by: Soothsayer § at April 23, 2014 03:44 PM (fW9N0)

201 @165 NDH, no not trying to trump you. Really. Why Pauline Kael reference is to the NYT movie reviewer who said she couldn't believe that Nixon won (in a landslide) because she didn't know anyone who voted for him. I don't disbelieve you when you say that you don't know anyone who supports Jeb in NEFL. But what I am pointing out is that there are obviously people outside of your circle of contact who live in Florida and like Jeb Bush. Florida politics are strange to people who don't know Florida. My uncle was the first registered Republican in St Johns county. Ever.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:45 PM (glXHi)

202 Any 3rd party run = Hillary landslide.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 23, 2014 03:45 PM (0LHZx)

203 The RNC's chronology of fail. ---- Out of curiosity why do you think RP has been a failure? All he is is a glorified fundraiser, what more do you expect of him?

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:45 PM (gmeXX)

204 Posted by: Caliban at April 23, 2014 07:37 PM (2ArJQ) Why does that sound like the EXACT same argument the Repubs had the last couple of elections... oh.... because it is.... vote for us because we don't suck quite as much as the other folks...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 03:45 PM (84gbM)

205 Backwards, if it was the economy, Obama should have lost the last election. Oh, I know. But, if I was running, that'd be what I'd concentrate on 24/7. I'd make it The Issue. From that, you could get into all kinds of good conservative ideas, like a flat tax, a balanced budget, and paring back Fedzilla.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (0HooB)

206 204 Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 07:45 PM (84gbM)

We'll only dilute your vote by 60 million not 100 million newcomer socialists....

Jeb 2016

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (TE35l)

207 If the Jebster is elected, would call me a racist like his brother did over my immigration views?

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (thLL8)

208 I have my doubts he could win Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 07:43 PM (gmeXX) I have no doubt that Rand Paul or any 3rd party candidate will lose. Anyone voting 3rd party with the expectation they are going to win, really need to reconsider their expectations. Jeb will not ask Rand Paul to be his VP. Think more like a purple state governor like Susanah Martinez or John Kasich.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (8dNrT)

209 Any 3rd party run = Hillary landslide ---- Nothing but speculation. But then that is all we can do.

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:46 PM (gmeXX)

210 Willow it aint the job,i t's what ya do with the job... leverage baby, leverage...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 03:47 PM (W7zKe)

211 190 Ed Gillespie 2003–2005 Virginia Ken Mehlman 2005–2007 Washington, D.C. Stepped down at end of 2006 Mel Martinez 2007 Florida Served with Mike Duncan as general chairman. Mike Duncan 2007–2009 Kentucky Senator Mel Martinez served with Duncan as general chairman before stepping down in October 2007. Michael Steele 2009–2011 Maryland First African-American chairman. Jan Larimer served as co-chair. Reince Priebus 2011–present Wisconsin Sharon Day serves as co-chair. The RNC's chronology of fail. Pikers all. Pfft.

Posted by: Debbie Wash your hair Schultz at April 23, 2014 03:47 PM (/djtm)

212 Mr Moo, although i know what you're saying ..IF the Republicans offer up someone that will remain status quo everything AND endorse Illegals swarming from everywhere while being in office, We don't stand a chance anyway so, Let this all be hung around the necks of the progressives. or not. I wanna say that, and i'm mad as hell. but we'll see if i can restrain myself come november 2016

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:47 PM (nqBYe)

213 I don't know why Gates supports Common Core as presently constituted. But the No True Scotsman "you can't be serious about education if you support Common Core" is a bit silly. I think he is serious about education, he's putting his money behind it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 03:47 PM (WhJf8)

214 211 Debbie Wash your hair Schultz at April 23, 2014 07:47 PM (/djtm)

How's her ass taste?

//Ogabe12

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (TE35l)

215 Jeb will not ask Rand Paul to be his VP. Think more like a purple state governor like Susanah Martinez or John Kasich. ---- Perhaps. That is the GOP way. But if he did ask Paul, would Paul accept. He'd have to - no?

Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (gmeXX)

216 OG, i will have to learn how to 'do' supervisor well.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (nqBYe)

217 I want the job of watching the drink testers of the imported alcohol! Hmm, quality control, eh? OK, I'll do it. You can watch me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (0HooB)

218 Actually my best friends name is Lance. He didn't name himself and he was man enough to serve his country in the US army. I don't pick on Reince because of his name just his inept dufusness Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 07:41 PM (HVff2) I'm sure your friend is a stand-up guy. I was just venting and it was directed at the inept RNC and I went for low-hanging fruit. Trite of me. Apologies.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (x3YFz)

219 NDH: Ne FL is kinda tiny in the overall FL world. S. FL and the Daytona-Tampa corridor is what matters. Not to dis JAX, it's a cool city, I like it a lot. But if 0 people in the area liked Bush and 60% of the people in the rest of the state liked him, he'd win.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (0LHZx)

220 179 What about Billy Gates?
***

He's like any other of a long line of rich folks who think you get 100 free IQ points with every 10 million you make.  That's why Bloomberg is worth a king's ransom and couldn't pour piss out of a sandal.

Gates is a very bright guy but being a whiz in one field doesn't turn you into an education expert.  How anyone can look at CC's curriculum and not realize it for the bullshit it is either has an ulterior motive for harm or is operating in a Potemkin circle of advisers.

I've worked with s/w engineers who could write a program for a flight simulator while taking a dump on the toilet but at the same time didn't have a clue about the most basic of facts about WWII. 

Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 03:48 PM (6iEQd)

221 vote for us because we don't suck quite as much as the other folks...
Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 07:45 PM (84gbM)

I wish it was that clear cut.

Romney couldn't argue against Obamacare.

Was afraid to bring up any other dumb stuff Obama's done.

And the one time he connected, he let the fat broad interrupt and run interference and he never followed up on it.

So their argument that they don't suck as bad as the Democrats falls on deafened ears. I've seen and heard too many stories yet no results from these guys for 20 years. (yeah remember they had a majority until '06 and a prezzy on top of that for 8 years yet somehow none of what they said they would do ever got done.

Fancy that. And by the way the same rascals saying they'll get down to business this time, honest, are the same ones who've been in for the last 20 years.

Fcuk 'em.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:49 PM (JS0vr)

222
Jeb Bush ‏@JebBush

It was great to join @CardinalDolan and the Archdiocese of NY today to support great Catholic schools. Learn more: http://www.adnyeducation.org



Judging by the front page, the Catholic Schools in New York have or are going Common Core. Hence the fund-raiser, I imagine.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 03:49 PM (kdS6q)

223 Backwards, if the country were sane i would believe that's a Winner. but i believed a ham sammich could beat Obama after the miserable previous 4 years but NOOOOOO, people decided losing their homes, their livelihoods, their jobs was so worth feeling cool and good and virtuous.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:50 PM (nqBYe)

224 Regarding Gates, I've read what I thought at the time was a convincing case that all of his so-called philanthropy actually makes him quite a bit of money. I think Common Core was a prime example. I wish I could remember where I saw this.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:50 PM (T0NGe)

225 212 Mr Moo, although i know what you're saying ..IF the Republicans offer up someone that will remain status quo everything AND endorse Illegals swarming from everywhere while being in office, We don't stand a chance anyway so, Let this all be hung around the necks of the progressives. or not. I wanna say that, and i'm mad as hell. but we'll see if i can restrain myself come november 2016 Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 07:47 PM (nqBYe) _____________ My view is the worst Republican is still better than the best Democrat. As RINO-y as Romney was, do you think he would have pulled the IRS targeting bullshit? Do you think he would have changed the Obamacare rules daily? Do you think he would have taken over the census as his own personal voter data mining operation? Do you think he would have opposed voter ID laws? And on and on.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 23, 2014 03:50 PM (0LHZx)

226 222 Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 07:49 PM (kdS6q)

This shocks whom?

Mother Church in Al-NYC has been rather moonbat for ~50 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:51 PM (TE35l)

227 Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 07:48 PM (gmeXX) He could and I think he would. Paul is a known commodity with his own brand. While he's more realistic about things than his dad, he is a pretty committed ideologue. I doubt he'd want to be tied to a guy like Jeb Bush.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:51 PM (8dNrT)

228 Judging by the front page, the Catholic Schools in New York have or are going Common Core. I give it a year. Parents will threaten to pull their kids and Common Core will suddenly either be modified, downplayed or outright removed from the NY Catholic schools.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:52 PM (T0NGe)

229 Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 07:48 PM (TE35l) Maybe a sock fail there. But. Can we not find a way to beat their mental giants? Geez they can't whoop Biden and Deb? Eff me.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (/djtm)

230 I don't pick on Reince because of his name just his inept dufusness
***

What tangonine said. :-) I was just riffing on Reince's etherealness in his job.
I've got a good friend named Lance too.

Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (6iEQd)

231 but i believed a ham sammich could beat Obama after the miserable previous 4 years but NOOOOOO, people decided losing their homes, their livelihoods, their jobs was so worth feeling cool and good and virtuous. Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 07:50 PM (nqBYe) I'm writing in Dusty. My 1 winged, 1 eyed, 3 toed warrior parrot who has more purple hearts (purple feathers?) than a company of Marines. He's a warrior. Doesn't ever back down (even when he should). My little green knight.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (x3YFz)

232 Ne FL is kinda tiny in the overall FL world. S. FL and the Daytona-Tampa corridor is what matters. *ahem* J'ville is the largest city in Florida.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (0HooB)

233 For The LIV: I often listen to "Imus in the Morning", to see how the common idiot thinks, using only emotions and culture-driven ignorance. The funny thing about Imus? He thinks he knows what he is against -Only. He's never "for" anything except the "Anti-Whatever". That's how the clueless think*. Get them to be against something and you'll have a fighting chance. You can then get away with, "it doesn't really matter Exactly What I think because I just want to get out of your way and stop wasting money." Righteous indignation works both ways and it won't matter what the MFM says. Emotions play to Peoria and Sell in Branson, as well. Here's what I say: -"If someone gave you Seventeen Trillion Dollars tomorrow and you were still broke? ...what would you think about the guy who runs your checkbook? Do you give him $500 more the next day? A thousand? A billion?" -"The Federal Government doesn't belong in your bedroom. --Or Your Garage. --Or Your Laundry Room. --Or in Your Thermostat". -"Elect your State Representatives if you want control over people. I'm not your guy for that." -"I'm looking to reduce Federal Influence over your lives. I'm looking to limit my own power. I'm looking to stop the Regulatory hand of destruction." ...because you're smart and jobs. -And That's Quoting Me!

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 03:53 PM (lq3Ak)

234 I've read what I thought at the time was a convincing case that all of his so-called philanthropy actually makes him quite a bit of money. Probably true. I'm a big fan of the micro-loan stuff he does. Also his effort to eradicate Malaria. I'm a huge detractor of Common Core. Don't like it, don't want it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 03:54 PM (WhJf8)

235 Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 07:48 PM (gmeXX) Sorry, to clarify... He could and I think he would (say no thanks to being Jeb's VP).

Posted by: DrewM. at April 23, 2014 03:54 PM (8dNrT)

236 Mr> Moo. right the irs and other agencies being used as a tool to shut and cause fear in fellow citizens. yeah, Would a republican that now knew it was possible use those tools ? once the gate has been opened. anyway, yes, you might be right a Republican might actually stop the behavior. would depend on the integrity of the candidate .

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:55 PM (nqBYe)

237 If you talk out your ass, is it difficult to answer the phone?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 23, 2014 03:55 PM (hn5v5)

238 The thing that's really killing Common Core isn't the political content, it's math. It's just dreadful. They've basically admitted that no student will be ready to take calculus in college if they follow Common Core.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 03:55 PM (T0NGe)

239 Jeb was known for education policy in Florida. Women love candidates who say they are for education regardless of what the actual policy is, because really, who has time to get into those details. I know, women are not monolithic but they sure as hell trend heavily. So, anyway, we all think anti Common Core is the only sane policy, but LIV voters and women hear that as anti education and that also translates into war on women.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:55 PM (glXHi)

240 Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 07:48 PM (6iEQd) Bill Gates did help create an education system.... which I was part of... The Microsoft Certified Engineer Program. College level classes to teach network engineering... They worked for a few years... but because they used standardized testing... you could learn the test... so employers started to discount the Certification.... until the courses were no longer worth the cost... Note... that program no longer exists... And that is the EXACT same thing as they want to do with Common Core.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 03:55 PM (84gbM)

241 If you talk out your ass, is it difficult to answer the phone? I answer the call, set the phone on the couch, then sit on it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (WhJf8)

242 229 Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 07:53 PM (/djtm)

No "we" cannot.

The GOP evidently refuses to understand it is in the midst of a Netwar.

Network centric theory mandates attacking the force multipliers the democrats have and undermining their influence.

The GOP refuses to attack the media, the enviro whacko cult, the civil service, etc etc

you can not win a fight if you cannot honestly address who and what your opfor is.

How can the GOP sell LIVs and FSA on their vision when they can't see what to have a vision against?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (TE35l)

243 tangonine, i like dusty.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (nqBYe)

244 Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 07:53 PM (lq3Ak) I don't know how you can listen to Imus. He's a loon. The two co-hosts are funny but Imus himself is an idiot. He's done a lot of good for kids with cancer, but his opinions are vile.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (x3YFz)

245
April 15, 2013

Dear Parents,

As you know, it is a time of dynamic change for Catholic schools in the Archdiocese of New York, and for educators everywhere. The world is an increasingly competitive place for our students, and we continue to seek new ways to ensure the highest quality academic standards are in place to prepare our children for the challenges of the 21st century.

This is why we enthusiastically adopted the New York State Common Core Learning Standards in Catholic elementary schools here in the archdiocese. These new standards – which describe what all of our students from pre-kindergarten to 12th grade need to know and be able to do to graduate from high school ....

Sincerely,

Timothy J. McNiff
Superintendent of Schools
http://tinyurl.com/lzve59x



 "If a head is cut off, two more will take its place!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 23, 2014 03:56 PM (kdS6q)

246 I'm a huge detractor of Common Core. Don't like it, don't want it. Posted by: bonhomme at April 23, 2014 07:54 PM (WhJf Help me spread the meme... Common Core.... its Obamacare for Education...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 03:57 PM (84gbM)

247 I think Common Core was a prime example. I wish I could remember where I saw this.
Posted by: AmishDude at April 23, 2014 07:50 PM (T0NGe)

Bill either owns the company or part ownership in the company that will own the copyright to the tests, the teaching materials, books, etc.

He will make a shit ton of money from Common Core.

No I don't remember either. Google bill gates and common core and I'd imagine some articles will show up.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 03:57 PM (JS0vr)

248 *ahem* J'ville is the largest city in Florida. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 23, 2014 07:53 PM (0HooB) _______ Sure, that's because Jacksonville is a huge city geographically. So it's more populous that "the city" of Tampa or "the city" of Miami. But if you look at the metro population, Miami is twice as populous.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 23, 2014 03:58 PM (0LHZx)

249 "I don't know how you can listen to Imus. He's a loon. The two co-hosts are funny but Imus himself is an idiot." Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 07:56 PM (x3YFz) I force myself to do it out of love.

Posted by: Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 03:58 PM (lq3Ak)

250 if he's the candidate, the Demonrats win...

which would suit the RNC and the rest of the Bletway RINO elites just fine.

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 23, 2014 03:58 PM (q+fqH)

251 Pardon me, but again, WFpart of MY opinion about MY experience seeks to speak for the entire effing state? I'm not going to spend all damn night arguing about this bullshit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 23, 2014 03:58 PM (DmNpO)

252 @232. BB by land area and only because the city annexed the entirety of Duval County. It is the 4th largest MSA. Miami has more than 5x the population.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 03:58 PM (glXHi)

253 249 Slapweasel at April 23, 2014 07:58 PM (lq3Ak)

I fuck this light socket because "love."

//Jeb "Teddy" Bush

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 03:59 PM (TE35l)

254 CSA Population: Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL Combined Statistical Area 6,447,610 Jacksonville-St. Marys-Palatka, FL-GA Combined Statistical Area 1,518,677 JAX ain't a playa

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 23, 2014 03:59 PM (0LHZx)

255 tangonine, i like dusty. Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 07:56 PM (nqBYe) Believe it or not, I've changed my character and how I view the world because of his steadfastness. I love him. Every night he sits on my chest and snuggles up. Not for long, because he has other, evidently, more important things to do like... eat some seeds or chew some rope. But for 20 minutes each night it's just me and him and believe you me: I wouldn't trade those 20 minutes for the world.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (x3YFz)

256 They've basically admitted that no student will be ready to take calculus in college if they follow Common Core. Common Core explanation of Calculus: d is a little piece of, not a coefficient, derivative is slope. Funny looking S is the area under a curve, or an integral meaning "whole". Done! /sarc

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (WhJf8)

257 they do not like jeb yes they might like jeb they do like jeb no they don't like jeb! ok, maybe a few people like jeb (family)

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:00 PM (nqBYe)

258 Sure, that's because Jacksonville is a huge city geographically. So it's more populous that "the city" of Tampa or "the city" of Miami. But if you look at the metro population, Miami is twice as populous. From what I've seen having lived here longer than I've lived anywhere else is that the further south you go, the more Dim the population becomes, with the I-4 corridor you mentioned being the Mason-Dixon Line, so to speak. This state is almost perfectly purple.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (0HooB)

259 Any 3rd party run = Hillary landslide ---- Nothing but speculation. But then that is all we can do. Posted by: SH at April 23, 2014 07:46 PM (gmeXX) Vermont Sen. Sanders has threatened to run if Hillary is the Dem. nominee. A four-way race hasn't really been tried since 1824. It would be interesting to war game the scenario of Hillary Clinton (D ) vs. Jeb Bush (R ) vs. Rand Paul (I ) vs. Bernie Sanders (I ).

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (CTCNK)

260 This isn't really about ideological purity if we care about the country.

Jeb/Ideologically Filthy  2016 :

Because America.

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Vooorhies IV [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 04:01 PM (5ikDv)

261 I love him. Every night he sits on my chest and snuggles up. Not for long, because he has other, evidently, more important things to do like... eat some seeds or chew some rope. ve him. Every night he sits on my chest and snuggles up. Not for long, because he has other, evidently, more important things to do like... eat some seeds or chew some rope. But for 20 minutes each night it's just me and him and believe you me: I wouldn't trade those 20 minutes for the world. Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 08:00 PM (x3YFz Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 08:00 PM (x3YFz sure but when you wake up and see the arm of the chair has gone missing but you al;so see wood flakes around the room.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:03 PM (nqBYe)

262 Posted by: Romeo13 at April 23, 2014 07:55 PM (84gbM)
***

LOL.  I know.  Me and a few of my co-workers had those certs from MS back when it meant something.  It turned into a "everybody gets a trophy" alright.

Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 04:03 PM (6iEQd)

263 /pretentious Iowahawk created sock off

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 04:03 PM (5ikDv)

264 Let's go for Jeb now. This will cause a reaction by the press and they will start digging up the dirt and he will be toast by the primaries.

Plus: when will the GOP STOP OPEN PRIMARIES?


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (JS0vr)

265 259 The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 08:01 PM (CTCNK)

Hat....um...

//1860 remember me?

Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (TE35l)

266 @240 I take a somewhat different view. Microsoft lowered the standards to make the education program more about revenue than education. Novell had kept their focus on the education part and that cert kept its value for a long time. Of course, MS is still the top valued software company by far. Novell I think is in the freeware business now.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (glXHi)

267 LOL. I know. Me and a few of my co-workers had those certs from MS back when it meant something. It turned into a "everybody gets a trophy" alright. A+ Cert still means something though, right?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/s][/i][/b][/s] at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (WhJf8)

268 BB by land area and only because the city annexed the entirety of Duval County. I sit corrected. We have around 2M around these here parts (MouseHouse area).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 23, 2014 04:04 PM (0HooB)

269 The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 08:01 PM (CTCNK) Hat....um... //1860 remember me? Posted by: sven10077 at April 23, 2014 08:04 PM (TE35l) Embarrassed to have forgotten that one. Of course, I get the feeling that 1824 might be a bit more relevant.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (CTCNK)

270 sure but when you wake up and see the arm of the chair has gone missing but you al;so see wood flakes around the room. Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 08:03 PM (nqBYe) eh. wood can be replaced. The soul of my Green Knight is far more valuable.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (x3YFz)

271 Using the terms 'four-way' and 'Hilary Clinton' together produces impotence...

Posted by: OG Celtic-American at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (W7zKe)

272 anyway i doubt many liv's will be attracted to Jeb, he isn't charming, he isn't convincing when he speaks, His family has been there , done that a few times. he might get rubin, brooks, frum votes, and a handful of assorted others.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (nqBYe)

273
It would be interesting to war game the scenario of Hillary Clinton (D ) vs. Jeb Bush (R ) vs. Rand Paul (I ) vs. Bernie Sanders (I ).

*dry heaves*

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at April 23, 2014 04:05 PM (5ikDv)

274 The public has changed on abortion. It is strongly against it except for in the cases of rape and mother's life in danger. People always say incest, but I assume they're talking about Dads raping daughters, which is rape. Why exactly would we be like, yeah let's put the society stamp of approval on knocking up your sister or daughter consensually for fun every few months and get an abortion. But I digress. So Paul's statement is blatant, cowardly, fence sitting avoidance. The people have spoken many times in many polls on this.

Posted by: PBJ89 at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (r1du+)

275 242 Sven. Roger that. If an employee of mine lies outright I'll call em on it. With not compunction. And trust me, they don't get a second chance. To me that's easy. But at what point do you not join the battle unless you are in on it?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (/djtm)

276 A four way with Hillary would be okay if she was in another room.



On the other side of the planet.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (JS0vr)

277 In a four-way Hillary Clinton (D ) vs. Jeb Bush (R ) vs. Rand Paul (I ) vs. Bernie Sanders (I ) royal rumble, who would get what state?

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 23, 2014 04:06 PM (CTCNK)

278 tangonine, mine will perch on a persons kneee and when you look back he is on the floor untrying your shoe laces, when you notice, he laughs wickedly.

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:07 PM (nqBYe)

279 -r

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:07 PM (nqBYe)

280 Willow who says kneeee

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Waiting For SMODOT) at April 23, 2014 04:08 PM (JS0vr)

281 new post

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:08 PM (nqBYe)

282 this ole man Bitter he says knick nack patty wack give a dog a bone

Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 04:09 PM (nqBYe)

283 @272. Like I said to a non ideological political analyst there are big pluses for Jeb. Picking up Florida is a big plus. Of course, right now, Hillary outpolls Jeb in Florida so that's macht nichts anyway. Because old ladies in Florida love Hillary, too. And they don't want someone the LIVs will love, they try to pick someone they feel isn't scary to them.

Posted by: blaster at April 23, 2014 04:09 PM (glXHi)

284 Good Lord.......
When Bill O'Reilly isn't fusing hydrogen into helium with his mind, he's asking Important Shit Like This:

http://tinyurl.com/lz7depw

O'Reilly To Bundy Supporter: "What's The Difference Between Bundy And Occupy Wall St?"






Posted by: B at April 23, 2014 04:10 PM (6iEQd)

285 Jeb Bush isn't particularly well liked in the Ocala/Gainesville/Leesburg area. The libs in Alachua hate him and the rednecks to the south think he is a squish. He isn't despised or anything like that but there would be no enthusiasm for him. He would have a hard time running up the vote in what should be a pretty safe red area and that would cut his cushion for losses in south Fl.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at April 23, 2014 04:11 PM (289iv)

286 Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 07:48 PM (x3YFz) Were ok

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 23, 2014 04:12 PM (HVff2)

287 Wow. Willow with the nood. Night all. Porch is done as are the buds.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 23, 2014 04:12 PM (/djtm)

288 @246 - Brilliant! Common Core is ObamaCare for education. And Jeb Bush is a Common Core pusher. Pusher in all of the nastiness connoted by Steppenwolf's song of the same name. So, if Common Core is Obama Care for education and if Jeb is a pusher of Common Core, how and where does Jeb Bush fit into Conservatism- limited government, rule of law, fiscal responsibility- given ObamaCare and Common Core are the antithesis of those things? He doesn't. Jeb is the latest progressive-lite Bush to pick up the family shovel and have a go at the nation's foundation. Clinton versus Bush. For a country who was founded in good part as a reaction to the excesses of hereditary oligarchy we've slid pretty far down the scale. I am disgusted at the prospect of these two enemies of liberty and ardent foes of republicanism. We'd better be on our guard.

Posted by: Erik In Temple at April 23, 2014 04:13 PM (U7y8N)

289 the Republican Party is currently so divided on so many things I'm not really sure what the Republican Party is any more.
-----------------------------------------------------------
That's what happens when you strive to be the inclusive party that is open to everything yet stands for nothing.

Meanwhile, isn't it interesting how the dems are never expected to abandon their beliefs to win elections like republicans are required to do?

Posted by: Great Chief at April 23, 2014 04:18 PM (nha7s)

290 Krispy Kreme/Jeb Bush 2016, It's an Act Of Love! (may require penicillin to cure)

Posted by: rightwingva at April 23, 2014 04:19 PM (dDmIn)

291 Oh, and just to put it out there, one-more-time... I WON'T be voting for Krispy Kreme or Jebby. So when some of you start screaming, BUT YOU HAVE TO OR WE WILL GET HILLARY, I will remind you that most of us here went through that **** with McCain and Romney, voting for both, and we won't be doing it a third time.

Posted by: rightwingva at April 23, 2014 04:21 PM (dDmIn)

292 I ran into a guy that I thoroughly despise on my Monday Men's league the other night who got off on a rant about how the 7 trillion in debt that Obummer's racked up is Bushes fault. Five years later and the Bush Derangement Syndrome is still running strong. Jeb would lose to Shillary in a landslide of epic proportions.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 23, 2014 04:22 PM (vVSOO)

293 tangonine, mine will perch on a persons kneee and when you look back he is on the floor untrying your shoe laces, when you notice, he laughs wickedly. Posted by: willow at April 23, 2014 08:07 PM (nqBYe) they are just fascinated by shoes, aren't they?

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:26 PM (x3YFz)

294 Kudlow must be back on the pipe; whether or not he is, he's been about as lucid as a shithouse rat recently.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 23, 2014 04:27 PM (m4SHR)

295 I ran into a guy that I thoroughly despise on my Monday Men's league the other night who got off on a rant about how the 7 trillion in debt that Obummer's racked up is Bushes fault. Five years later and the Bush Derangement Syndrome is still running strong. Jeb would lose to Shillary in a landslide of epic proportions. ___ How you tolerate this is way beyond me.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:27 PM (x3YFz)

296 Oh, and just to put it out there, one-more-time... I WON'T be voting for Krispy Kreme or Jebby. So when some of you start screaming, BUT YOU HAVE TO OR WE WILL GET HILLARY, I will remind you that most of us here went through that **** with McCain and Romney, voting for both, and we won't be doing it a third time. Posted by: rightwingva at April 23, 2014 08:21 PM (dDmIn) werd. If jeb is the nominee I'm not voting. Don't like it? tough shit.

Posted by: tangonine at April 23, 2014 04:29 PM (x3YFz)

297 291 Oh, and just to put it out there, one-more-time... I WON'T be voting for Krispy Kreme or Jebby. So when some of you start screaming, BUT YOU HAVE TO OR WE WILL GET HILLARY, I will remind you that most of us here went through that **** with McCain and Romney, voting for both, and we won't be doing it a third time. Posted by: rightwingva at April 23, 2014 08:21 PM (dDmIn) ^^THIS.

Posted by: rickl at April 23, 2014 04:30 PM (sdi6R)

298
Jeb sucks nickels.


Posted by: Levin at April 23, 2014 04:34 PM (cQ4Va)

299 I think the media, the beltway GOP, liberal Democrats, liberal Republicans, and other asshats are already completely, totally throwing their weight behind Krispy Kreme and Jebby. We went through this same crap with McCain, and then we went through the exact same dance with Romney. It's only 2014 and they have already started. I gave MONEY, TIME,and ENERGY the last 8 years to the GOP candidates. If Krispy Kreme and Jebby end up as the GOP candidates, then we deserve to loose. Completely deserve it.

Posted by: rightwingva at April 23, 2014 04:37 PM (dDmIn)

300 Don't festoon me with your issues, man.

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (R+h7Q)

301 I won't vote for another Bush, ever. Act of love, beyotches!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 23, 2014 04:43 PM (YbCsp)

302 NO MORE BUSH! 

except where it belongs

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at April 23, 2014 04:44 PM (R+h7Q)

303 I haven't seen this much buzz and hype about a product America had no particular desire for since Cop Rock. Awesome nutshelling it.

Posted by: waelse1 at April 23, 2014 04:48 PM (5VQkS)

304
Following up on the nickel thing.  What the ruling class wants to avoid at all costs is a legitimate populist uprising that carries into the polling booths in 2016.  I have the feeling that both parties will have "disruptive" candidates that challenge conventional wisdom.

Posted by: Levin at April 23, 2014 05:03 PM (cQ4Va)

305 Yes I am not behind the whole "nation building" thing (or massive Medicaid expansion) but the guy had a rock solid love of this country and a deep appreciation of America's role as leader of the free world (albeit with too much sticking our nose in and keeping it there) That said, no more Booshes obviously. Posted by: NYC Parent at April 23, 2014 07:10 PM (HEo6y) I like W, too. There at the end of his second term, I think there was me and maybe some guy in Poughkeepsie still supporting him, but I did support him. That support does not magically transfer from W to his pudgy, nondescript loser brother, and the GOP Establishment is smoking entirely too much kind bud from the Netherlands if they think the Bush name has any kind of cachet among any key voting demographic. I mean, by that logic, why not nominate Neil Bush? Sure, he's a little on the shady side, but what the hell.

Posted by: troyriser at April 23, 2014 05:07 PM (ptcFO)

306 Why can't Whoever Bush have a phony run for Prez?  We let Palin and Trump sucker idiot Righties, so why not let this Bush sucker idiot whoever thinks Bush has a chance? 

Fake presidential runs for all!  (This message approved by the Clickbait for Right Wing Blog PAC)

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 23, 2014 05:28 PM (EQcfE)

307 The SoCons need to understand their platform is costing us elections.  It doesn't even sell in the Old South, just ask Mourdock, Akin, and Cuccinelli.  All lost easy elections because they decided to run on a Theocrat platform.

What Rand Paul said should be common sense to everyone but the idiots in our tent that actually believe all abortion is going to be criminalized and outlawed.

Posted by: Uniden at April 23, 2014 05:40 PM (13G+x)

308 @ 307 Whaddya mean "we"? Your brand of social liberalism has never won an election for a Republican President; the last three Republican Presidents agreed with us and not with you. I'm not an extremist; I'm absolutist in the grand American tradition. Abortion is a civil rights issue and we will not equivocate.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at April 23, 2014 05:58 PM (8rRE+)

309 As a man I cannot believe I'm saying this but: I've had enough bush.

Posted by: thathalfrican at April 23, 2014 06:17 PM (R5HRU)

310 Republicans have no real chance of getting what they want with social issues, but they have a very high chance of turning away fiscally conservative moderates over social issues. The risk vs reward just isn't in favor of pushing hard on social conservatism. I don't know why this is so hard to realize. It's not an issue of giving up your principles, it's pure political strategy.

Posted by: Roadrunner at April 23, 2014 06:21 PM (xMSfj)

311 "Whaddya mean "we"? Your brand of social liberalism has never won an election for a Republican President; the last three Republican Presidents agreed with us and not with you. I'm not an extremist; I'm absolutist in the grand American tradition. Abortion is a civil rights issue and we will not equivocate." I'm not sure what your point is. The last two Republican presidents pretty much sucked. I admire GW Bush for being one of the few honest men in DC, but let's face it, sequential terms ran like GW Bush will bankrupt us just as inevitably as Obama. Bush left the debt bigger than he found it, he expanded social spending and advocated bail outs. The only thing that really made him "conservative" was his aggressive foreign policy. If Republicans are serious about turning the country around then it's time for a paradigm shift in who they are running for office, and it's time to do more than pay the faintest of lip service to "fiscal conservatism".

Posted by: Roadrunner at April 23, 2014 06:26 PM (xMSfj)

312 The more RINOs running the better, so as to divide the vote of the RINOs. Similarly, the right will need to concentrate on a good candidate and show some loyalty when that candidate is mercilessly slimed by the GOP. That's how they do it. That's how we'll do it.

Posted by: Dustin at April 23, 2014 06:47 PM (2IH9d)

313 The so-called "fiscally conservative moderates" have a pretty poor track record too. Fiscal conservatism turns off as many people as social. Everyone wants to protect their own piece of the pie.

Posted by: General MacArthur at April 23, 2014 07:34 PM (8bA1i)

314 I'm a minarchist libertarian. So take this with a grain of salt. But I think a Republican who runs as a libertarian will appeal to people. The Republican party is endlessly slandered as the party that wants to snoop inside your bedroom and make sure you aren't doing anything impure, and nobody wants that. So, instead of asking voters to choose between the Democrat and a social conservative, ask voters to choose between the Democrat and a fiscal conservative who is socially kinda liberal. As for abortion, there are two libertarian positions on it. They are both libertarian; the difference is whether the fetus is considered a living person or just a clump of cells. The "clump of cells" camp holds that abortion is completely the choice of the woman, as it is her body and thus her choice. (If they are honest, consistent libertarians they won't be fans of government compelling the father to pay child support or anything like that, so it's symmetric. The man gets no choice but also gets no government-enforced burden.) The "fetus is a person" camp of libertarians holds that abortion is murder, and thus government can restrict it just as government restricts other forms of murder. Likely the most centrist positions is "a fetus is just a clump of cells until about the 18th or 20th week, and then it becomes a person." The hard-core minarchist libertarian position is probably too much for a candidate to endorse (at this time). As a minarchist, I am in favor of slashing and burning government. Unemployment will spike up as most of the government workers become unemployed. Department of Education? Let the local voters and their school boards manage their own schools; slash it. National Endowment for the Arts? Sorry, artists, it's gone. Obamacare? Gone. Other entitlements? Gone... but in the interest of not seeing the country convulsing with problems, I'd like much of the shutdown to be gradual. Keep our promises to the actually old people getting benefits, but get the young people onto Health Savings Accounts and don't promise them Medicare or anything else. (My position on government spending: if I wouldn't feel comfortable sending someone to prison for refusing to help pay for it, I don't want government to spend that money. Would I send you to prison for refusing to help fund "Piss Christ"? Nope, so the NEA needs to go. Would I send you to prison for refusing to help fund the Marines? Yes, national defense is a legit duty of the government.) The biggest problem of course is the MFM. A Democrat can promise free goodies for everyone, and a Republican can promise to balance the budget; and the MFM will breathlessly praise the Democrat as someone with a warm heart, and call the Republican a heartless Grinch. Never mind uniting the base, our real problem is that it's hard to be the responsible party when the other party is promising free goodies. At this point I'm afraid that the country must inevitably go through a horrible economic crash. We will either experience hyperinflation or else we will default on our debt. (And if it's possible somehow to do both, our Congress will find a way to do it!) After the horrible depression that results, the voters may find a new taste for economic conservatism. My one hope, which I cling to, is that the crash will be blamed on the ones who deserve the blame. The MFM will try to spin-manage it, but I'm hoping that the truth will out. The most controversial position I hold, the one that will make the most people hate me: I think one person/one vote has to go. In its place, I propose: if you are a net taxpayer, you get to vote. Do you work for the government? Sorry, you don't get to vote. (You are not a net taxpayer if your income was funded by taxes.) Do you get more benefits from the government than you pay in taxes? Sorry, you don't get to vote. Are you 16 years old, and running your own business, and paying taxes? You get a vote. Under the above system, we might as well open the borders and let people in. They won't be voting Democrat if they won't be voting. But it's just a fantasy, nobody will ever go for it. (But... back at the dawn of the Republic, only property owners got to vote, at least at the Federal level. So in effect, the system I dream of has, sort of, existed in the past: if the government was collecting money from you, you could vote, but otherwise not.) It's a problem when a majority of voters can vote that a minority of the voters should buy bread and circuses for the majority. If all the voters are collectively paying for everything for which they vote, it's more fair than if "free riders" get to vote for free goodies. But I'm a heartless Grinch for even thinking it. I denounce myself.

Posted by: mr_jack at April 23, 2014 09:59 PM (M59SC)

315 Who is the "base" that I always hear about? I honestly do not know. After the last six or so elections I assumed that the base is made up of conservative moderates. But I hear from the Tea Party that they themselves are the base. I'm starting to believe 'the base' is a made up word .

Posted by: Fabio at April 23, 2014 10:10 PM (DA5XN)

316 The more you marginalize social conservatives which are the only ones with an ounce of integrity and with some principles whatever president you will have (even rand paul) will CAVE on every issue. Because if you cave on bullshits like ghey marriage because they will call you racist, you can cave on everything because they will still call you racist Why this is so hard to understand? Die with honor at least. Someone who stands up to the bullies. I don't care about winning by kneejerking. Grow a spine for once, it might be the last time you have the chance to do it. And if people are willing to trade liberty freedom for ghey rites they can go fuck themselves but at least you stood for what you believe in.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 24, 2014 01:13 AM (PKbJH)

317 you all talk about small government, cut spending etc how many times a conservative was forced to give up even this ideal just because the opponents were screaming that he was leaving black kids without food? people loathe losers and fearful leaders. We are dealing with petulant children here, they will always be screaming and stomping. Everytime they do it, they see they win, this is why, as it happens with infants they will never stop. On principles it is wrong to cave on issues. Rand Paul could at least say he believes in traditional marriage because he sees the benefits of it but he is a federalist therefore let every state decide. But he prefers to cave, what does this tell you? he will be caving on multiple other matters as well. I disagree on the Romney care matter. Romney was a governor of Mass. Loony idiots in Mass CRAVED for social medicine, he gave them what they overwhelmingly wanted. If they ask for rope, give em rope, it is only a stupid librul state. Socialized medicine all over the country is another matter.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 24, 2014 01:50 AM (PKbJH)

318 "The SoCons need to understand their platform is costing us elections. It doesn't even sell in the Old South, just ask Mourdock, Akin, and Cuccinelli. All lost easy elections because they decided to run on a Theocrat platform." Mourdock and Akin both made real stupid, very public gaffes that saw them crucified by their own parties again and again. Being 'pro-life' had little to do with it. When Romney made his comment about a certain percentage of the country never voting for him because they were on the government dole, 'fiscal conservatism' wasn't blamed - it was called a dumb gaffe because that's what it was. McCain and Romney both went out of their ways to downplay those issues. In the end, they still lost. And right now the GOP is caving to business interests that want to grant amnesty to millions of people who overwhelmingly vote democratic, and whose amnesty is opposed by most of the Republican base. This constant RINO dream of 'Gosh why won't you people just give up on all the issues you find important and only support the issues *I* find important' has not done wonders for helping the GOP win elections.

Posted by: Crude at April 24, 2014 02:23 AM (edicg)

319 "Meanwhile, Rand Paul states the obvious"

No he didn't. The excuse that we cant change the law is bogus... MORE PEOPLE WANT TO OUTLAW ABORTION THAN SUPPORT OBAMACARE.

 Texas changed the law. Other states have:
1. Defunded planned parenthood.
2. Put in place personhood amendments.
3. Outlawed late term abortions.
4. Raised health standards at clinics.
5. Put regs in place to prevent another Gosnell like horror show.


Rand Paul is a weak wimpy establishment-plus-libertarian shapeshifter who wants to SELL OUT the social conservatives and Christians, and he just keeps making excuses for it. Blech.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 24, 2014 01:02 PM (wT9UL)

320 This may be a good thing, and this may be a bad thing"

It's universally a bad thing to let a nutty extremist who wants to repeal the Federal Reserve talk about 'no litmus tests'. Wake up folks, Rand Paul's a scammer.


oh and Jeb Bush.... gimme a break.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 24, 2014 01:07 PM (wT9UL)

321 "Walker of Wisconsin has little national name recognition, and may not be able to raise the kind of money to campaign all through the primary season."

WALKER WOULD MAKE A GREAT PRESIDENT AND CANDIDATE.

So of course the media will be silent on him and keep talking up horrible ideas like Jeb Bush so we never realize the above.

Then the media wheels out the 'name ID' polls to get their candidate nominated.

If Jeb or Christie is the nominee, its media 1, GOP 0.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 24, 2014 01:09 PM (wT9UL)

322 "318 "The SoCons need to understand their platform is costing us elections. It doesn't even sell in the Old South, just ask Mourdock, Akin, and Cuccinelli. All lost easy elections because they decided to run on a Theocrat platform."
- Idiot Establishmentarian Weenie

In reality, more weak wimpy mod-centrist candidates lost in 2010 and 2012, including Romney and going down from there.

"Rand Paul could at least say he believes in traditional marriage because he sees the benefits of it but he is a federalist therefore let every state decide.

But he prefers to cave, what does this tell you? he will be caving on multiple other matters as well. "

Winner winner chicken dinner.  They dissed Mitch Daniels for less wimpiness than Rand Paul exhibits.

Keep Strong & Cruzzzzz On.

Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 24, 2014 01:18 PM (wT9UL)

323 "299 I think the media, the beltway GOP, liberal Democrats, liberal Republicans, and other asshats are already completely, totally throwing their weight behind Krispy Kreme and Jebby. We went through this same crap with McCain, and then we went through the exact same dance with Romney. It's only 2014 and they have already started. I gave MONEY, TIME,and ENERGY the last 8 years to the GOP candidates. If Krispy Kreme and Jebby end up as the GOP candidates, then we deserve to loose. Completely deserve it."


Exactly.

We need ONE GOOD SOLID CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE.


And no, its not Jeb, Chris, or Rand.


Posted by: Hairy Reed at April 24, 2014 01:23 PM (wT9UL)

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