January 27, 2014
— Ace Almost fifteen years ago now an ammo maker made claims about its super-lethal round -- the the Black Talon "Devastator" ammo -- and then the all the usual people who freak out about such things freaked out.
Hollywood especially. They were bewitched by the Devastator for years. A major plot point in Lethal Weapon 3 concerned these Very Very Scary "cop-killer" rounds.
If I understand it correctly (and I think I do), an armor piercing bullet has a very hard, non-deformable tip so that it can better penetrate armor. When a bullet deforms upon impact, it mushrooms into a bigger shape, which makes it easier for armor to stop. But if the tip does not deform and remains relatively "sharp," it presents a smaller cross-section to the armor and can pass through more easily.
But armor piercing bullets tend to also pass right through the body without deforming. Once inside the body, you actually want the bullet to mushroom and expand, because you want all of the kinetic energy of the bullet delivered to the target, not partly delivered to the target and partly wasted on the scenery behind the target.
So for actual kills or stopping power, you want a bullet to deform. Like a hollowpoint round, which deforms upon impact. But hollowpoints are more likely to be stopped by armor (or any intervening object, like a pane of glass).
So the big selling point of the Devastator was that it kept its sharp, hard tip when passing through the skin (or any armor) because it was coated with slippery Teflon, but then expanded inside the body. The best of both worlds, supposedly.
As far as I know (and here I don't know much), the Devastator's claims about being hard on the outside and soft on the inside were overblown and within six or seven years pretty much everyone forgot about the ultra-lethal, we-have-to-ban-this-right-away super scary Cop Killer rounds. (Actually, per Wikipedia, Winchester stopped offering them for public sale in 2000, after a very well publicized shooting death involving the round. But it seems very strange that the Ultimate Bullet had a bodycount of one.)
Well there's a new miracle bullet, again promising the same kind of hard-outside-but-deformable-inside performance. The ultimate one-shot manstopper, it's being sold as. I don't know if the claims made about this one will pan out.
This one also doesn't make claims about passing through armor, but does claim to penetrate the skin more readily (and I guess a bullet does lose some kinetic energy just passing through the skin, which is tougher than people give it credit for).
But you know what I know?
Within a year every gun control organization will be shrieking about these rounds and there will be a dozen TV episodes talking up how terrible they are.
At least they didn't give it some super-scary name like The Devastator.
Oh wait: They're calling it the Radically Invasive Projectile, or R.I.P. for short.
Uh-oh.
G2R, based in Winder, Ga., highlights that the bullet points are manufactured with trocar angles — or simply put, edges with three angles reaching one point — to “penetrate the dermis layer more efficiently.”The G2R website explains the R.I.P. acts like a full metal jacket when it impacts solid objects: “It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent. The bullet shreds through solid objects and only then, expands its energy.”
Scary looking. Like a bullet made up of knives. This bullet gives even Freddy Kruger nightmares.
Just as performance cars are supposed to look muscular and powerful or svelte and sleek (or combinations of all of these), so too do gun and ammo makers want their performance products to look scary.
And that's just catnip for the gun controllers, who are Ready to be Frightened at the drop of a hat, and would like to make sure that everyone is as frightened as they are.
The bullet's maker and the gun control crowd enter into a sympathetic symbiotic relationship here: The maker offers up a bullet for the gun control people to scream about: "This is the ultimate killer! It's worse than Hitler!!!," Chris Matthews will soon be saying.
And then the bullet maker gets to run advertisements:
"The Ultimate Killer. It's Worse Than Hitler."-- Chris Matthews, ecstatically reviewing the R.I.P. round on Hardball
They both get out of this what they want: Publicity, and selling their product, whether bullets or Bullet Panic.
So get ready for an awful lot of hoopitty-do and much ado.
Thanks to @benk84. Follow him on Twitter or he'll shoot Bullet Knives at your face.
And Speaking of Hitler... A book claims Hitler escaped to South America (faked his death), and they claim to have a picture of a 95 year old Hitler, taken in 1984, to prove it.
He's dead now.
Supposedly.
The book, titled 'Hitler in Brazil - His Life and His Death', challenges the accepted view that the dictator shot himself in his Berlin bunker on April 30 1945.
She claims he may have lived as Adolf Leipzig in the small town of Nossa Senhora do Livramento, 30 miles from the state capital Cuiaba.Simoni, a Brazilian who comes from Cuiaba, says Leipzig was known locally as the 'Old German.'
Simoni is now planning to use DNA tests using a relative of Hitler living in Israel, after been given permission to exhume Adolf Leipzig's remains from his alleged final resting place in Nossa Senhora do Livramento.
As for the picture: It is so blurry that Adolf (whether Leipzig or Hitler) doesn't even seem to have a face. He just has a Head Oval.
If Adolf Hitler relocated to Brazil and called himself "Adolf Liepzig," then I've got some questions about this whole "Master Race" thing.
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Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2014 11:29 AM (wnWUK)
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Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 27, 2014 11:31 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Sen. Hilliary Rotten Clinton at January 27, 2014 11:31 AM (yhJhK)
Posted by: Country Singer at January 27, 2014 11:31 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Joe Biden Your Extra Secret President at January 27, 2014 11:31 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at January 27, 2014 11:32 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 27, 2014 11:32 AM (9F2c1)
>>>It is capable of going through barriers such as sheet rock, plywood, sheet metal or glass and still performs its original intent.
Its an .88 magnum. It goes through you, the wall in back of you, the white picket fence behind that, schools....
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 11:32 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Caliban at January 27, 2014 11:32 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2014 11:33 AM (wnWUK)
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Eh, looks like a gimmick round to me.
I'm not sure how it's going to know to stay solid when going through a barrier, then know to expand when it hits tissue.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 11:33 AM (PFy0L)
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Posted by: Joe Biden Your Extra Secret President at January 27, 2014 11:35 AM (RJMhd)
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Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2014 11:36 AM (wnWUK)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 27, 2014 11:36 AM (A98Xu)
Oh, and the reason for Teflon coating?
It's usually found on armor piercing rounds where the bullet is made of a material that's harder than the barrel, so shooting it doesn't destroy your firearm.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: The Secret Sock at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (wF/yx)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (RJMhd)
Normal JSPs, JHPs (usually XTPs) for me, thanks.
Posted by: flounder at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (Kkt/i)
The manufacturer has some pretty impressive videos up on youtube, but I'm waiting for Hickok45 to review them himself.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2014 11:37 AM (wnWUK)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (P6QsQ)
Oh, and the reason for Teflon coating?
It's usually found on armor piercing rounds where the bullet is made of a material that's harder than the barrel, so shooting it doesn't destroy your firearm.
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I should have added - "or for marketing purposes so you're loading scary black-bulleted-rounds into your pistol.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (lwkv9)
Posted by: Washington Wizards at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (cvWw5)
Posted by: dogfish at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 11:38 AM (zZLRY)
>>>It's like an expandable broadhead for your gun.
Cool, but kinda gimmicky, no? I mean, who needs shot placement? And that's the niche right there, people what don't do the placement for whatever reason. See, if it's made in so-called highly concealable gun calibers which are too light/small to shoot well....
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 11:39 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 27, 2014 11:39 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 27, 2014 11:39 AM (lwkv9)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at January 27, 2014 11:39 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: MSM Gun Expert at January 27, 2014 11:39 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at January 27, 2014 03:32 PM (oDCMR)
I remember hearing the term "Dum Dum bullet" as a kid long ago, but this is the first time I've seen it explained.
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: EPA Administrator at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (Pr6hk)
>>>The base likely has a dense core which will 'push through' and force that lovely jacketed projectile to blossom.
Giving new meaning to "Imma shoot you a new asshole"
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (3ZtZW)
Carrying precisely what the local LE carry is a highly defensible choice.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Fritz at January 27, 2014 11:40 AM (TKFmG)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 27, 2014 11:41 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Seems legit at January 27, 2014 11:41 AM (A98Xu)
Look, if they want to make this sound less scary and be more media friendly they should call them something other than bullets.
I'd like a box of extremely fast flying hugs in .45 acp, please.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 27, 2014 11:41 AM (A0sHn)
The fact of the mater is that bullets are already designed to be as good as you can get. The only ones I know of which may be better are the ones that have been hollowed out and some type of dense liquid placed in the lead itself. And I think those are illegal.
As for armor piercing rounds, those ARE illegal.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 27, 2014 03:39 PM (wNF3N)
Or Ronin? Or both?
Posted by: flounder at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Anderson Cooper at January 27, 2014 11:42 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (vlwRu)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Bill Ayers at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (RJMhd)
http://kitup.military.com/2014/01/expanding-bullet-set-display-shot.html
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 27, 2014 11:43 AM (tf9Ne)
"If I understand it correctly (and I think I do), an armor piercing bullet has a very hard, non-deformable tip so that it can better penetrate armor. When a bullet deforms upon impact, it mushrooms into a bigger shape, which makes it easier for armor to stop. But if the tip does not deform and remains relatively "sharp," it presents a smaller cross-section to the armor and can pass through more easily."
I'm scared, Daddy, hold me.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (0FSuD)
Was that Rambo?
You know, the same crowd that pisses their pants over this stuff "believes" in global warming.
Physics? How does it fucking work?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (VjL9S)
Speaking of the gun control freaks...
I haven't seen it posted here, but Instapundit had a link earlier today. So this might be old news in the comments. Apparently the new Connecticut law requiring registration of "high-capacity" magazines and "assault weapons" (I'm guessing that the latter classification in particular is the usual anti-gun scare-mongering...) got roughly 40,000 registrations. That's out of about 1 million people in the state who are believed to fall under the law's purview. The state's furiously spinning it, claiming that a rush of last minute mailed-in registrations ran afoul of the New Year. And it's possible that there was indeed a rush of last minute registrations. But not 960,000 of them. Or even 100,000 of them.
It looks like the state government badly overreached, and it's doint it's best to avoid drawing attention to the massive civil disobedience that has ensued.
Posted by: junior at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (g1DWB)
>>>Carrying precisely what the local LE carry is a highly defensible choice.
They all carry ammo I'm not allowed to buy.
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (OaVVy)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 11:44 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 27, 2014 11:45 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Fredo Biden at January 27, 2014 11:45 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 03:42 PM (T2V/1)
no they aren't, you can purchase SS109 at Cabelas
SS109=Steel Core 62 grain 5.56 NATO
Posted by: The Secret Sock at January 27, 2014 11:45 AM (wF/yx)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 27, 2014 03:42 PM (ZshNr)
We're stealing that.
Posted by: G2 Research (G2R) Marketing (G@RM) at January 27, 2014 11:45 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 11:45 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: CTD at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (Qqelq)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 27, 2014 03:44 PM (OaVVy)
I went to work today.
Posted by: Poor Working American at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (L8r/r)
..........
He's great, isn't he?
I was just watching his "Legal Pocket Carry" video..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (Z7PrM)
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Butterfly projectiles?
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (XUKZU)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (PYAXX)
http://tinyurl.com/kd2zsvs
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 03:44 PM (g1DWB)
Did you read down the page? It says "You Only Live Twice", 1967.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Sardiver at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (cCcme)
Won't fit in the gun? Hell, they won't fit in the magazine.
If your bullet is expanding while it's still seated in the case, you may have done something very wrong.
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (Rbtz3)
"Box of 20 just sold on gunbroker for $300"
http://tinyurl.com/mm57jej
Shill or sucker, you make the call.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 27, 2014 11:46 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 11:47 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 27, 2014 03:44 PM (OaVVy)
Given them jobs, bitch.
Posted by: Small Business Owners at January 27, 2014 11:47 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Crocodile Hunter at January 27, 2014 11:47 AM (Pr6hk)
>> The ultimate one-shot manstopper.
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.A myth. A handgun is not capable of consistently getting one shot kills no matter who is shooting it. Bigger, faster, more frangible stuff is OK, but, you are not going to get 100% kills in any caliber/cartridge combo. It simply is not possible in a hand gun round. And anyone who claims some combination of bullet caliber that can do it is not being honest.
Sure a .45 is more likely to give you one shot stopping performance, but a .22 in the face can do the same.
I have challenged a few people who look down on their noses at .22 and .380 cartridges as something no one should carry or rely on to stand 7 yards away and let me pop off 6-10 rounds at them. None of them have agreed to that challenge.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 27, 2014 11:47 AM (Rm+rQ)
Posted by: RWC at January 27, 2014 11:48 AM (fWAjv)
We found that two to the back of the head at very close range is highly effective in getting our message across
Posted by: Chicago Union Boss at January 27, 2014 11:49 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 11:49 AM (zZLRY)
These puppies were bad ass. I read one account where a bad guy died a horrible death when shot in the hip. "Blew most of his ass off" was the phrase I recall a soldier saying in describing the result of the bullet's design. Its use was ceased for "humanitarian" reasons, during a war, no less. Go figure.
Posted by: eureka! at January 27, 2014 11:49 AM (xiXna)
>>>i added a funny joke near the end.
Is *that* what a joke looks like? Wow.
I kinda thought they'd be funnier.
/sarc
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 11:49 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (UAMVq)
-- Chris Matthews, reviewing the R.I.P. round on Hardball
Are you bad-mouthing Hitler again, Ace?
Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (cxs6V)
Posted by: Bob from table9 at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (jsa6I)
54As we all know, I am rather fond of Almost Human. One ep had a bullet that could find you by dint of having a guidance system on the bullet that linked into all the cameras and facial recognition software used to push personalized ads as you walked by so shooter shoots from a mile away or whatever and the bullet tracks the person and then blam.
My first thought is that's freaky and ridiculous.
My second thought was bet DARPA has that tech ready to go.
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Something that small is still not going to work with modern technology. But iirc, the Navy already has gun rounds with limited in-flight guidance capability. So it's possible that something like that might very well exist within our lifetimes. Of course, you also have to remember that the bullet used an exploit in the camera software to basically "hack" the system. So the software on any given bullet would only work for a limited amount of time before the exploit was patched and an updated release would be needed in order to access the cameras again (and iirc, it was in fact mentioned at the end of the episode that the exploit that enabled it all had been fixed).
Posted by: junior at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Fritz at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (TKFmG)
Posted by: maddogg at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 03:46 PM (XUKZU)
Too close to "butterfly knife." Maybe "Unicorn Copper" or "Happy Skittle Kisses."
Posted by: Poor Working American at January 27, 2014 11:50 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Judge Pug at January 27, 2014 11:51 AM (E4MKN)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 11:52 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 27, 2014 11:52 AM (Bps3R)
From Gun Law site:
Federal law prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale or delivery of armor-piercing ammunition, with very limited exceptions. ; 27 C.F.R. § 478.37."> In particular, specific exceptions exist for armor-piercing ammunition that is manufactured for certain federal and state government divisions, exportation, or testing. The Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) may also exempt certain armor-piercing ammunition primarily intended for sporting or industrial purposes
How many do you think ATF has exempted?
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 11:52 AM (T2V/1)
These puppies were bad ass. I read one account where a bad guy died a horrible death when shot in the hip. "Blew most of his ass off" was the phrase I recall a soldier saying in describing the result of the bullet's design. Its use was ceased for "humanitarian" reasons, during a war, no less. Go figure.
Posted by: eureka! at January 27, 2014 03:49 PM (xiXna)
no that was early M16's that the barrels did not have enough twist to stabalize the bullet
Posted by: The Secret Sock at January 27, 2014 11:52 AM (wF/yx)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 11:52 AM (7ObY1)
It sounds like they are transfering the theory of the sabot round from anti-armor to anti-person. Except human beings are not AFVs.
And these guys getting excited and bothered by this? Well, on one hand they get excited by anything that looks scary (especially if it is black*) and they believe the hype by teh manufacturer; on the other hand they are in the media business and they believe the hype.**
*There are layers in that psychosis to keep a shrink in luxury fort he remainder of his years.
**If anyone should be jaded about any manufacturer statement (or politician's statement) it should be these guys. And yet....
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy a Hissy or Coniption, Get a Free Fitting! at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: RWC at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (fWAjv)
Federal has a line called Expanding Full Metal Jacket. Basically it's a FMJ round with the (enclosed) tip being a bit of rubber backed by a wadcutter lead bullet. It's supposed to enable expansion in situations where the clothing of the target may plug up a conventional hollow point and prevent expansion.
Trouble is, the bullet is kind of long for the overall round (at the same weight as a conventional round), which must fit within very specific parameters in order to feed through a firearm. So for instance, to get a regular 230-grain bullet you need to have an overall bullet length that's longer in the EFMJ round than in a regular FMJ round.
However, that leaves you less case room to load in your propellant, so to get the same ballistics you need to use a faster burning powder with a bit more oomph. But that gets into +P territory so you're bound to wear out your firearm prematurely. Based on the picture and description of the SuperBullet (or whatever), I think it's going to have the same problems at a minimum.
Again, this looks gimmicky to me, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to watch the antis go nuts over stuff like this.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (PFy0L)
Posted by: Vic at January 27, 2014 03:52 PM (T2V/1)
What do the SEIU carry?
Posted by: Small Business Owners at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (wnWUK)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 11:53 AM (zZLRY)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 11:54 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 11:54 AM (g4TxM)
Troll so hard.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 27, 2014 11:54 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Angel with a sword at January 27, 2014 11:54 AM (hpgw1)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 27, 2014 11:54 AM (XWw96)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 03:45 PM (VtjlW)
Huh?
Posted by: MSM at January 27, 2014 11:54 AM (QFxY5)
Black stuff is for killing people. Every TV newsreader knows that.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 27, 2014 11:55 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 11:55 AM (MNq6o)
>>I haven't seen it posted here, but Instapundit had a link earlier today. So this might be old news in the comments. Apparently the new Connecticut law requiring registration of "high-capacity" magazines and "assault weapons" (I'm guessing that the latter classification in particular is the usual anti-gun scare-mongering...) got roughly 40,000 registrations. That's out of about 1 million people in the state who are believed to fall under the law's purview. The state's furiously spinning it, claiming that a rush of last minute mailed-in registrations ran afoul of the New Year. And it's possible that there was indeed a rush of last minute registrations. But not 960,000 of them. Or even 100,000 of them.
It looks like the state government badly overreached, and it's doint it's best to avoid drawing attention to the massive civil disobedience that has ensued.
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.We moved away from CT last April before anything had to be registered. But I know a bunch of people who said they would not comply. And I suspect the number is way over 1 million when you count the newly banned rifles and any magazine over 10 rounds had to be registered.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 27, 2014 11:55 AM (Rm+rQ)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 27, 2014 11:55 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: wizardpc at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (9rv8J)
*Super Mario double-jumps*
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Angel with a sword at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (hpgw1)
As luck would have it, we got to see her. Guesses??
She looked like some burnout still stuck in the 60's. Reminded me on the crazy cat lady from the morning news round up.
Posted by: flounder at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Han Solo at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (8ZskC)
Trent
Contributing Member
96 gr = ~48 grain core + 8 BUZZ SAW PETALS!!!
OK now, let's do a quick lesson on terminal ballistics so we can put this stupid cartridge to bed, where it deserves to remain forever.
If you have Approx half the weight in the petals, half in the "ultra penetrating core", each of these devastating ripsaw ballistic accoustic wave petals has approximately *6* whopping grains of weight. SIX WHOLE GRAINS OF WEIGHT.
Even if they're sending these out at 1500 fps, the ACTUAL PHYSICAL DAMAGE CAUSED BY EACH PETAL IS ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO MY SON'S HIGH VELOCITY AIR RIFLE WE SHOOT IN THE BASEMENT. (Or, if you want to split hairs, maybe like getting shot with eight #8 birdshot pellets).
The damage to a human being will be (approximately) like getting shot 8 times by my son's air rifle, plus a high velocity 22 long rifle hunting projectile. Since the slug in this bullet is solid copper you can kiss any expansion effects aside. It'll have about the same terminal effect as a high velocity copper jacketed hunting projectile (which does expand to about the same diameter, and has roughly the same weight).
Will it kill someone if it hits something vital? Sure! But so will a 22 hunting rifle.
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Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: B at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (Pson9)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (UAMVq)
Posted by: eureka! at January 27, 2014 03:49 PM (xiXna)
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Please look up the results of .223 or 5.56mm rounds. Same thing. And you can find these bullets at your local ammo retailer.
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2014 11:56 AM (vlwRu)
I remember the US Military using a "tumbling" bullet ("ball" it was called) or somesuch. It created hella damage, more so than a hollow point's or other round's designed expansion after impact to maximize the collection and pushing of the target's flesh, tissue and bone through the body--nickel sized entry wound with a "cone effect" and dessert plate sized internal damage/exit hole.
These puppies were bad ass. I read one account where a bad guy died a horrible death when shot in the hip. "Blew most of his ass off" was the phrase I recall a soldier saying in describing the result of the bullet's design. Its use was ceased for "humanitarian" reasons, during a war, no less. Go figure.
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Supposedly that was the effect the Russian 5.45 x 39 round had (it is used in the AK-74). It was FMJ, but the Soviet manufacturing would create the jackets and then push the lead bullet into it - but their factories weren't so hot so you were left with an air pocket in a FMJ that would deform the bullet and make it tumble in the target's body.
Or so the story goes.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 11:57 AM (PFy0L)
All the news people are calling it a "bulletproof" vest.
There is no such thing, of course, all ballistic vests can be penetrated by something, in this case, fatally.
Another day, another instance of news readers beclowning themselves.
Posted by: navybrat at January 27, 2014 11:57 AM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: Buzzion at January 27, 2014 11:57 AM (79RTx)
Posted by: maddogg at January 27, 2014 11:57 AM (xWW96)
Black Talon ammo did not pierce bullet proof vests. It was sold that way by clueless gun store experts to clueless cops and gun owners. It was a hollow point that was good at expanding as it hit a body.
If you want to buy it, but Winchester SXT ammo. It is the same thing without the black copper oxide color.
Posted by: rd at January 27, 2014 11:58 AM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 27, 2014 11:58 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 11:58 AM (zZLRY)
AFAIK, the ATF bans *imported* AP steel core ammo in calibers for which some manufacturer makes a production *pistol*.
This is why we can get so much cheap 7.62 x 54 and NOT x 39. There are plenty of AK pistols around, but no Mosin-ish pistols...until this last Shot show where some dick is going to screw us all by making a x54 pistol nobody in their right mind would want anyway.
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 11:58 AM (Rbtz3)
The company claims it tested the round and never had chambering issues, but I'm calling BS on that. Those teeth are going to catch on feed ramps.
The Black Talon round is no longer Teflon coated, but is still sold under their Ranger banner. Its what I carry.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 27, 2014 11:59 AM (u1jJP)
All the news people are calling it a "bulletproof" vest.
There is no such thing, of course, all ballistic vests can be penetrated by something, in this case, fatally.
IIRC, the news story said he was hit precisely in between two plates where there was no protection at all.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 11:59 AM (GQ8sn)
Really, I want to create one of these "Oooo! So Scarry!" bullets and call it "The Love Muffin."
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I handload and I call one of my 30'06 loads "Pissed."
That way I go to the range and say "Yeah, I have 240 Pissed rounds to shoot."
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 11:59 AM (PFy0L)
Still love my 5.56mm round. It does wonderful things when it goes into soft flesh, and it just sorta splatters when it hits hard surfaces, making it less likely to penetrate through walls and hitting people/things on the other side of said walls (things you don't want hit).
Not so good against an armor attack, but as a home defense weapon, it's ideal.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2014 11:59 AM (TOk1P)
Unless you hold your pistol sideways and wear a baseball cap turned sideways.
Then it is 100% lethal.
Posted by: MSM at January 27, 2014 11:59 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 11:59 AM (zZLRY)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 27, 2014 03:44 PM (OaVVy)
I bought goods and services from local merchants.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy a Hissy or Coniption, Get a Free Fitting! at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: The Secret Sock at January 27, 2014 03:52 PM (wF/yx)
Mebbe I'm getting old and didn't recollect correctly. thanks.
Posted by: eureka! at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (xiXna)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 27, 2014 12:00 PM (PFy0L)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:01 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 27, 2014 12:01 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 03:58 PM (Rbtz3)
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Everyone plotzed when he produced the picture of that-which-should-not-be-made. Fortunately it was just a photoshop job, and he hasn't built one yet. Hopefully this idea is strangled in its crib.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 27, 2014 12:02 PM (u1jJP)
Posted by: Passerby at January 27, 2014 12:02 PM (sOlwy)
Posted by: The AoSHQ Cost Containment Department at January 27, 2014 12:02 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 12:02 PM (7ObY1)
>>Good against sheetrock is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else.
That's why I just carry sheetrock shaped like a gun. Its the next best thing.
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 12:02 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 12:03 PM (RJMhd)
>>Federal law prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale or delivery of armor-piercing ammunition, with very limited exceptions.
In particular, specific exceptions exist for armor-piercing ammunition
that is manufactured for certain federal and state government divisions,
exportation, or testing.
The Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
(ATF) may also exempt certain armor-piercing ammunition primarily
intended for sporting or industrial purposes
How many do you think ATF has exempted?
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.That makes no sense. AmmoMan, Cheaper Than Dirt and others constantly have the SS109 green tip penetrator rounds on sale.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 27, 2014 12:03 PM (Rm+rQ)
Posted by: David, infamous sock puppet[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (qlBdX)
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (XWw96)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (VtjlW)
>>>a relative of Hitler living in Israel
That there is the most interesting part of that doo-dad. No kidding?
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy a Hissy or Coniption, Get a Free Fitting! at January 27, 2014 12:04 PM (hLRSq)
Three or four .380s center of mass is more effective than one hot .357 Magnum in the shoulder and then three more over the perp's head.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:05 PM (QFxY5)
This one is good against living sheetrock.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 27, 2014 12:05 PM (F75MN)
The M855 must be exempt then. Otherwise, it would never be for sale on the shelves at Wal-Mart and other places.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:05 PM (GQ8sn)
Three or four .380s center of mass is more effective than one hot .357 Magnum in the shoulder and then three more over the perp's head.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 04:05 PM (QFxY5)
3-5, 3-5, 3-5, 3-5.
Train to be able to place, from muscle memory, three to five rounds within a circle three to five inches in diameter from a range of three to five meters within three to five seconds.
Posted by: Small Business Owners at January 27, 2014 12:06 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:06 PM (zZLRY)
Posted by: eureka! at January 27, 2014 04:00 PM (xiXna)
Some of the early M16s had 12 and maybe 14 twist barrels
7 twist barrels and steel core ammo does not tumble, read Blackhawk Down for soldiers bitching about 62gr Green Tip
Posted by: The Secret Sock at January 27, 2014 12:06 PM (wF/yx)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 12:07 PM (RJMhd)
Flatulent cows start fire at German dairy farm - police
tinyurl.com/loxrfab
Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 27, 2014 12:07 PM (cxs6V)
Oooh...which Astra? The 600?
My dad bought one mail-order in the early 1960s. He loves it.
I fucking hated shooting it when I was a kid. I would rather shoot his shotgun. The Astra was designed by someone who thought that ergonomics was for sissies.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:07 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Mongoose at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (DXfkx)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (o4Xc4)
Reichler Fuhrerstein didn't fit in the visa application.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (8ZskC)
I knew Adolf Hitler. Mr. Devastator, you're no Adolf Hitler.
Posted by: Alloyed Bentsen in Greensboro at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (Dq8Uc)
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 12:08 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: wickedsoothsayer pinto at January 27, 2014 12:09 PM (zZLRY)
Virtually all standard fmj centerfire rifle (aka media name high-power) ammunition will penetrate most soft "bulletproof" vests. Ceramic body armor is different but is heavy.
I would suspect this company is a couple of guys seeking to make a big score by making it the flavor of the month. Passing the FBI barrier testing is an expensive endeavor and generally takes a lot of testing and tweaking of bullet loads--this tends to rule out small players.
FWIW, this design resembles the late Jim Cirrillo's (of the NYPD Stakeout Squad) prototype bullet designs that are in his highly recommended book, Guns, Bullets and Gunfights. See Chapter 3.
Posted by: wg at January 27, 2014 12:09 PM (u4T3n)
Posted by: wg at January 27, 2014 12:10 PM (u4T3n)
I got really comfortable firing two quick double-taps. I found that I couldn't control more than two, but that a slight pause...less than one second...did wonders for my accuracy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:10 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 12:11 PM (XUKZU)
My dad bought one mail-order in the early 1960s. He loves it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
It's an Astra A70. Served it's purpose at the time. I liked the small size (about like a .380) because it would easily slip into a jacket pocket. I think Astra has been out of business for a few year.
Posted by: Passerby at January 27, 2014 12:11 PM (sOlwy)
Posted by: Mongoose at January 27, 2014 04:08 PM (DXfkx)
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Are you from LA or NYC?
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2014 12:11 PM (vlwRu)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at January 27, 2014 12:11 PM (KvKOu)
Posted by: The Boys In Brazil at January 27, 2014 12:11 PM (8ZskC)
Armor-piercing ammunition, sometimes referred to as metal-piercing ammunition, is ammunition that is designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, including body armor commonly worn by police officers.
Under federal law, armor-piercing ammunition is defined as any projectile or projectile core that may be used in a handgun and that is constructed entirely from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.
In addition, armor-piercing ammunition is defined as a full jacketed projectile “larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.” Id. The Attorney General is required to furnish information to each licensed dealer defining which projectiles are considered armor-piercing ammunition as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(17)(B)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (T2V/1)
steel core is so prevalent that most 3Gun matches take a magnet to you ammo so you don't shoot holes in their steel targets
Posted by: The Secret Sock at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (wF/yx)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (zZLRY)
And even if it doesn't I'll bet that would hurt.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (QFxY5)
>>The M855 must be exempt then. Otherwise, it would never be for sale on the shelves at Wal-Mart and other places.
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.ATF exempted it for some reason.
18USC sec.921(a)(17)
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (Rm+rQ)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (XUKZU)
I think they also did that in the movie Priest.
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Diamond Joe Biden at January 27, 2014 12:12 PM (AiYlm)
Hitler in Brazil?
Nonsense. He moved to England, changed his name to Hilter, and lived at a bed and breakfast with his pals, Bimmler and Ron Vibbentrop.
http://tinyurl.com/cp6tzf7
Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2014 12:13 PM (TOk1P)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 04:10 PM (QFxY5)
Yup. Take half a heartbeat. Let your sights drop back on target.
The fastest way to do anything is properly.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 12:13 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 12:13 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 12:13 PM (UAMVq)
Twilight of the doofy mustaches
Posted by: Harald the BallCrusher at January 27, 2014 12:14 PM (omBWL)
Posted by: Using the name Baconator without permission or license at January 27, 2014 12:14 PM (1/4XQ)
Hmm. It was always rumored that Hitler had no testicles. Coincidence?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 27, 2014 12:14 PM (8ZskC)
osted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
Accuracy of the good guys v. Accuracy of the bad guys.
Magazine capacity of everyone.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 12:14 PM (fwARV)
I loved that thing. So many mods. And what a great tool for generating business for morticians.
Posted by: Fritz at January 27, 2014 12:14 PM (UzPAd)
My second thought was bet DARPA has that tech ready to go.
I liked that episode. And I don't have that kind of faith in modern-day DARPA, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone in Israel had this going in some fashion.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 27, 2014 12:14 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Passerby at January 27, 2014 04:11 PM (sOlwy)
That looks much more comfortable than the 600.
http://tinyurl.com/l3z6msa
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (QFxY5)
Hence the saying, "That which does not kill me, makes my ass, like, half as big as it was before."
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (UAMVq)
I think I still have a box of these. I'll have to dig through my stash of .45 ammo tonight.
Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (wSrLR)
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I can't get out to the range much at all, and I deep-cover carry small pistols, like the LCP, plus any situation I'm most likely to use it will be at very close range due to my work.
So I aim at the pelvis. Any skipping around due to recoil tends to go upwards anyway.
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (3ZtZW)
Alois; mild-mannered harmless guy, apparently. Genes are hard to predict
Posted by: Harald the BallCrusher at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (omBWL)
Posted by: Omega Supreme at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (dvRYt)
Bwahahahahahahhhhh! You fools! I actually changed my name to Reltih Floda-Rivera Y Chavez!!
And now it is all too late for you all with my plans for World Domination only months away from success........
Posted by: Addy Hilter at January 27, 2014 12:15 PM (lQCe+)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 04:15 PM (UAMVq)
FUCK YES, that pisses me off.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 12:16 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 27, 2014 12:16 PM (lwkv9)
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 27, 2014 12:16 PM (BZAd3)
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Ridiculous! He moved to Wyoming and changed his name to Cheney.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 12:16 PM (XUKZU)
osted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
Accuracy of the good guys v. Accuracy of the bad guys.
Magazine capacity of everyone.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 04:14 PM (fwARV)
Getting shot sending you flying through the air.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 04:15 PM (UAMVq)
Firing a full auto Glock 18 one-handed.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:16 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 04:13 PM (fwARV)
Truer words were never spoken.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:16 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (7ObY1)
The greentips were a reaction to old 55gr barely-stabilized FMJs out of slow twist barrels that were less than ideal for shooting armor-clad Rooskies at distance. The problem is that those Rangers were shooting Skinnies from across the road in 1993. The greentips just drilled straight through and didn't do the same magic because they were now *over*stabilized. Ballistic are always a maddening set of compromises.
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (Rbtz3)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (PMGbu)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (lwkv9)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (g4TxM)
The round has a small steel core although it's in no way designed as AP. Like everything in ballistics though, there's a trade off. They got better accuracy and long range but anecdotally less effective stopping power since the round just blasted on through the target making a small hole.
Posted by: B at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (Pson9)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (T2V/1)
Gun and ammo makers should come up with shit like this annually ... just to keep the Left occupied.
And I'll stick to my .357.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (9NDZl)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 04:15 PM (UAMVq)
I recently saw some show that had a Marine homeless veteran, Vietnam era, who was still wearing his field jacket.
It had a patch on the sleeve with the Big Red One.
Drove me fucking nuts.
Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 27, 2014 12:17 PM (ZALPg)
"There's no such thing as a liberal. Your average liberal is a Commie with a college education, thinking negro thoughts."
Posted by: Using the name Baconator without permission or license at January 27, 2014 12:18 PM (1/4XQ)
Why the heck would these two be exempted?
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 27, 2014 12:18 PM (Rm+rQ)
Posted by: jdun at January 27, 2014 12:18 PM (Hao09)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 27, 2014 12:19 PM (lwkv9)
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 04:14 PM (GQ8sn)
See above, the law only applies to pistol ammo.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 12:19 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Jean at January 27, 2014 12:19 PM (4JkHl)
You beat me to it. As a side note, if I recall correctly Enfield evaluated the same concept when they developed the SA80. It was dropped as ineffective.
It's a crap round, evaluated in terms of performance for cost. The company is apparently selling them for $45 or so, I guess for 20 rounds, to suckers who'll buy anything if the name is scary enough. (Our side's counterpart to the Leftists who'll ban anything if the name is scary enough.)
(And to all the people who write BS like "a pane of glass will stop a hollow point," do NOT put your knowledge of terminal ballistics to the test unless you're on a Darwinian mission to improve the gene pool.)
For those, on the other hand, who would like to learn, the reason cops (and people who are smart about home defense) use hollow point is when they hit something, they expand. When they expand, they lose velocity faster. When they lose velocity faster, they become less lethal. When they become less lethal, they are less likely to kill your child on the other side of the wall or the civilian who gets hit by a ricochet. Protect the innocent: use hollow points.
Posted by: John W. at January 27, 2014 12:19 PM (PVBzL)
Too late. They already did.
Still not illegal.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:19 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 04:16 PM (QFxY5)
Genius words from my batshit liberal father. Go figure.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 12:20 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:20 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: BRAWNDO Munitions Marketing Department at January 27, 2014 12:20 PM (gihPk)
Nonsense. He moved to England, changed his name to Hilter, and lived at a
bed and breakfast with his pals, Bimmler and Ron Vibbentrop.
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Balderdash. He escaped to the USA and drank heavily, posted here for a time using a nick named after a Chevy SUV then got banned.
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 12:21 PM (3ZtZW)
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When the boob to machine gun ratio is unbalanced.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 27, 2014 12:21 PM (XUKZU)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:21 PM (zZLRY)
Posted by: moviegique at January 27, 2014 12:21 PM (7zeA4)
He did.
He reloads his weapon with the dead Judge's ammo and moves on.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 04:20 PM (PYAXX)
If he had watched The Rock, he'd have known that you always take comms and mags from the bodies.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 12:21 PM (fwARV)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 12:22 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Every girl, ever at January 27, 2014 12:22 PM (xSdrY)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:22 PM (PYAXX)
osted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
********
Nic Cage.
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 04:22 PM (RJMhd)
"Hey man! You fucked up your Ferrari!"
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:22 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:22 PM (zZLRY)
What was wrong with "Arnold Hitler"? He could have kept his monogrammed towels.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (8v/hq)
>>>Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
Nobody gets burned by flying brass
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
Cars turning into balls of flame.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (F75MN)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (PYAXX)
Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
Having a full magazine of rifle fire hit a person in the mid-section, and they still are able to give their dying farewells.
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2014 12:23 PM (vlwRu)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 27, 2014 12:24 PM (lwkv9)
Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
Everything that's splody results in a huge fuel explosion. Just watched Once Upon a Time in Mexico (which is brilliant, I'm only critiquing fuel explosions). A tank fires a tank round which hits some stairs and splodes as if it were 50 gallons of gasoline and melted styrofoam.
Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 27, 2014 12:24 PM (A0sHn)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 27, 2014 12:24 PM (bCEmE)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:24 PM (zZLRY)
Posted by: John W. at January 27, 2014 04:19 PM (PVBzL)
I live in a state where it is illegal to possess hollowpoints outside the home except under certain conditions. I have hollowpoints in my home defense pistol (of course..I'm not a fool), and if I ever have to fire it I am concerned about this idiotic law.
A bunch of fucking amateurs making laws they don't understand.
Come to think of it, that's pretty much every legislative body in the country.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 27, 2014 12:24 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: epobirs at January 27, 2014 12:24 PM (Ncf1Y)
I can't believe the amount of notice this crap is getting on various blogs and websites.
Posted by: Brian at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (MBLjV)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (g1DWB)
Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
osted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
Accuracy of the good guys v. Accuracy of the bad guys.
Magazine capacity of everyone.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 27, 2014 04:14 PM (fwARV)
Getting shot sending you flying through the air.
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 04:15 PM (UAMVq)
Sound effects.
Hollywood's full auto guns go "click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click-click" when they run the magazine dry.
Miniguns usually sound like M60s, which perplexes me because the real sound of a minigun is pure fucking EVIL. And awesome.
And on the "Hitler retires to S America" front, a really good potboiler novel on that subject is "The Berkut" by Joseph Heywood.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Yea, you're right. That one looks sorta unwieldy.
I'm sorta happy I still have this. Living out in the boonies I don't feel a need to carry but it fits in the nightstand comfortably just in case.
Posted by: Passerby at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (sOlwy)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 04:15 PM (UAMVq)
The knockout punches and traipsing over all the dead bodies and weapons strewn all over to take on the rest of the villain's army with just a knife and a bad attitude.
Posted by: flounder at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (Kkt/i)
Nipples on the Batsuit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (8ZskC)
He says he's out of his exotic ammo, but not his plain regular kind. You see him physically retrieve the ammo off the dead Judge's body.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (GQ8sn)
I hate it when the bad guys get all gleeful and giddy as they are torturing/killing innocents.
I'm sure somewhere in the history of somehow, a bad guy laughed after he shot someone, but I'm going to presume that most stone cold killers are too, eh, cold, to find it amusing.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (TOk1P)
posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
The hero walking away calmly and unflinchingly as the ____________ (fill in the blank) explodes into a fiery mushroom cloud behind him. Bonus points if he dons his sunglasses before the blast.
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (Rbtz3)
Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 04:12 PM (zZLRY)
On the top of everyone's list I imagine its the extended dialogue by the bad guy who is about to kill the good guy that provides the good guy enough time to save himself or be saved.
Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 12:25 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 27, 2014 12:26 PM (W7ffl)
Posted by: AllenG
Actually that one has a 'explanation': Judges' weapons and ammo are all coded to the individual Judge. No other person can use them. If someone tries the gun explodes.
Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 27, 2014 12:26 PM (cxs6V)
No one gets tired after running and gunning for a half hour.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:26 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: garrett at January 27, 2014 12:27 PM (xSdrY)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:27 PM (PYAXX)
No, it was just the gun not the ammo. Dredd takes the traitor Judge's ammo after he kills him.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:27 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Bigby's Flappy Hands at January 27, 2014 12:27 PM (3ZtZW)
The good guy walking toward the camera in slow motion with a freaking huge explosion behind him and he doesn't turn around to check it out. At all.
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: George Takei at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (MMC8r)
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It's called an AR pistol. A standard AR lower and an AR upper with a short barrel, incapable of having a stock on it. Because pistols with stocks scare "revenuers" or some shit like that. (NFA '34 asswittery)
Good for impeding your 5.56mm ballistics, causing deafness, and setting things around you on fire with muzzle flash.
Posted by: B at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (Pson9)
If you can shit a fireball, I'll put it in the film.
Posted by: Michael Bay at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (CrJzY)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (zZLRY)
Posted by: ThompsonCenter at January 27, 2014 12:28 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 27, 2014 12:29 PM (Bps3R)
@268 50 rounds out of a Colt Peacemaker without reloading.
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One of Brandon Sanderson's books, Steelheart, has a very minor character whose superpower is to never run out of bullets while firing a pistol.
The character was inspired by what you described.
Posted by: junior at January 27, 2014 12:29 PM (UWFpX)
I can tell you what I hate about sequels to great action movies.
The producers think that because the first action movie was a success and had a car chase and a few explosions that the sequel must quadruple the amount of car chases and explosions and it will be four times the success.
Fail.
Posted by: polynikes at January 27, 2014 12:29 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 27, 2014 12:30 PM (zZLRY)
Shia LaBeouf
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 27, 2014 12:30 PM (38LLM)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:30 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 27, 2014 12:30 PM (g1DWB)
When you hear the sound effect of a hammer being cocked....
....on a Glock!!!
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:31 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Erowmero at January 27, 2014 12:31 PM (OONaw)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 12:31 PM (UAMVq)
Since we're going there...you never see some grunt in the movies laying cable off the back of a deuce and a half or "recycling" a water bottle / MRE bag either.
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 12:31 PM (Rbtz3)
No matter where someone is driving, the roads are almost always wet. Sure it helps the sliding during car chases, but there are many times it makes no sense at all to see soaked roads, and yet there they are.
Could be driving through the middle of a desert... the road will still be wet. Just stupid.
Posted by: stoopid Hollyweird at January 27, 2014 12:31 PM (cvWw5)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 12:32 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 27, 2014 12:32 PM (TE35l)
The character was inspired by what you described.
Posted by: junior at January 27, 2014 04:29 PM (UWFpX)
LOL, I have that book. Laughed my ass off when I read that.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 27, 2014 12:32 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Insomniac at January 27, 2014 12:32 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: Fritz at January 27, 2014 12:32 PM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Arnold Schwarzenegger at January 27, 2014 12:32 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon[/b][/s][/i] at January 27, 2014 12:33 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 27, 2014 12:33 PM (PYAXX)
Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
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The hanging live electical wire that the hero uses to get out of having the shit beat out of him.
Posted by: Soona at January 27, 2014 12:33 PM (vlwRu)
Also, the slide NOT locking back after the last round being fired and the bad guy proceeds to try and shoot the hero but his gun is empty.
DID HE RELEASE THE SLIDE ON AN EMPTY MAG HIMSELF?!?!?!
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:34 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: ace at January 27, 2014 12:34 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 27, 2014 12:34 PM (8ifMA)
It's called an AR pistol. A standard AR lower and an AR upper with a short barrel, incapable of having a stock on it. Because pistols with stocks scare "revenuers" or some shit like that. (NFA '34 asswittery)
Good for impeding your 5.56mm ballistics, causing deafness, and setting things around you on fire with muzzle flash.
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There are special stocks approved by the ATF that allow you to mount on an ar15 pistol.
5.56 lose a lot of punch in short barrel carbine tho.
Posted by: jdun at January 27, 2014 12:34 PM (Hao09)
Posted by: epobirs at January 27, 2014 12:34 PM (Ncf1Y)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 27, 2014 12:34 PM (bCEmE)
That stuff is bimetal (copper washed steel) jacket with a lead core - not a steel core. It penetrates mild steel because it's twice as fast than a pistol round. It won't drill a AR500 plate target.
Posted by: Jaws at January 27, 2014 12:35 PM (Rbtz3)
Dude. Just... dude.
I've noticed a conspicuous lack of boobehs in her recent action movies.
Salt sucked ass.
Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 12:35 PM (GQ8sn)
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Someone pointing a modern semi-auto pistol at someone and then when dialogue gets tense having to make a click-click noise with the gun to prove "I'm Serious, Motherfucker!"
I've seen way too many movies and TV shows where someone pulls a Glock and then there's that damn click-click noise. WTF is that supposed to be exactly?
Posted by: B at January 27, 2014 12:35 PM (Pson9)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 27, 2014 12:35 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: alexthechick - Please SMOD. Just for me? at January 27, 2014 12:36 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 12:36 PM (MNq6o)
....on a Glock!!! Posted by: EC at January 27, 2014 04:31 PM (GQ8sn)
Which reminds me. Walking into a potential firefight, then when confronting a bad guy, you point the gun to his head after racking the slide (shotgun, semiauto) to make sure he knows you're supercereal.
Posted by: flounder at January 27, 2014 12:36 PM (Kkt/i)
Can we haz thread on Things That Annoy You Most In Action Movies?
Highly trained intelligence operatives and SpecOps troopers who shoot handguns using the highly effective Jack Bauer Teacup Weaver Stance.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 27, 2014 12:37 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Wes at January 27, 2014 12:37 PM (R1mDg)
@333 On the top of everyone's list I imagine its the extended dialogue by the bad guy who is about to kill the good guy that provides the good guy enough time to save himself or be saved.
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The Incredibles had fun with this one.
"I can't believe it! You got me monologing!"
Posted by: junior at January 27, 2014 12:37 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: RolandTHTG at January 27, 2014 12:37 PM (QM5S2)
But there's a trickle of blood in the corner of his mouth. Proof he was in a fight!
Posted by: Dang at January 27, 2014 12:37 PM (MNq6o)
Intelligible dialogue. Posted by: Arnold Schwarzenegger
That's why I liked Cross of Iron and Stalingrad, they were already in German
Posted by: ThompsonCenter at January 27, 2014 12:38 PM (4JkHl)
Worse than Hitler? You could kill Hitler with that one.
Awe and some.
Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at January 27, 2014 12:38 PM (ylhEn)
May have already been addressed above - but how would a bullet profile like that feed in a semi-auto?
I know many folks already have finicky 1911s and other semis when it comes to HP rounds. That illustration looks simply infeasible for a nomal handgun chamber. But maybe the illustration depicts the bullet already partially expanded?
Geneva Conventions might repeat the limitation, but the ban on expanding bullets was in the first Hague Convention (1899), in which the signatories pledged not use "bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body."
I believe, however, that some of our special forces in fact do use expanding bullet ammo for some applications (oughta ask my friend the Navy SEAL, he'll know, and it'll be the first Tactics/Techniques/Practices question I will have asked him, ever).
Posted by: non-purist at January 27, 2014 12:38 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: epobirs at January 27, 2014 12:39 PM (Ncf1Y)
Posted by: RWC at January 27, 2014 12:39 PM (fWAjv)
I've seen way too many movies and TV shows where someone pulls a Glock and then there's that damn click-click noise. WTF is that supposed to be exactly?
Posted by: B at January 27, 2014 04:35 PM (Pson9)
He's switching off the safety.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 27, 2014 12:40 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Beavis at January 27, 2014 12:40 PM (UAMVq)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 27, 2014 12:44 PM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at January 27, 2014 12:44 PM (PMGbu)
I recently read that Hitlers/Eva's remains were secured by the Soviets in April 1945 upon reaching the bunker area, were stored at a facility in then East Germany until some time in the late 60s (?), at which time they were mixed with soil and dumped in a river, as the facility was being vacated by the Soviet military/intel services to be turned over to East German use. Can't recall, but I think Goebbels' family's remains were also part of that find. And Borman's remains were recovered from another spot in Berlin.
This was all before DNA testing of course, but quite a few personnel from the bunker complex (personal secretary, security) survived and were interrogated by the Soviets, I think some of them have spoken to historians and reporters since the all of the wall. Doesn't seem to be much doubt about the Fuhrer's demise. My favorite anecdote was that the ground-level security folks had a good inkling the Fuhrer was no more once they say smoke exiting the bunker's ventilation vents - Hitler was a fanatical anti-smoker and I don't believe tolerated smoking in his presence for several years before the end. (also was a militant vegetarian and mocked Goering for his hunting hobby)
Posted by: non-purist at January 27, 2014 12:49 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Lauren at January 27, 2014 03:43 PM (hFL/3)
Just don't say 'I want(ed) them dead' in court. Say, 'I wanted them incapacitated' or 'I wanted to end the immediate threat to my life.' Something along those lines.
I have a carry license. I go to the range nearly every weekend and practice with my primary carry weapon, a small caliber automatic (a Seecamp .32 ACP). When I train, I do so knowing that most self-defense situations take place at night, at (very) close range, usually within 5 yards, so I practice one-handed point shooting at 5 yards. My goal is to achieve reasonably accurate center mass groupings. I keep in mind that there usually isn't enough time in such situations to use the sights or assume a proper two-handed grip and stance.
My little Seecamp is not a death ray and neither, for that matter, is a 1911-type .45 ACP. Based on police reports and FBI studies, approximately 85% of the people shot with a handgun in street incidents survive the experience. Interestingly, 15% of those survivors fall down after they're shot because they think they're supposed to fall down, based on what they've seen in movies and on television.
Posted by: troyriser at January 27, 2014 12:53 PM (gNlvW)
Posted by: epobirs at January 27, 2014 12:53 PM (Ncf1Y)
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 27, 2014 12:54 PM (SLkaE)
Dum Dum bullets were invented at the Brits' armory in Dum Dum, India during colonial days. True history, not a joke.
Posted by: The inexplicable Dr. Julius Strangepork at January 27, 2014 04:54 PM (SLkaE)
As I recall, one part of the story is that the common British colonial soldier used to take their issued FMJ round nose .303 rounds, pull the bullets and press them into the cartridge case backwards, exposing the lead base and dramatically increasing the round's effects.
Most likely apocryphal, but interesting.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 27, 2014 01:01 PM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Sifty at January 27, 2014 01:13 PM (p39GY)
>>It's called an AR pistol. A standard AR lower and an AR upper with a short barrel, incapable of having a stock on it. Because pistols with stocks scare "revenuers" or some shit like that. (NFA '34 asswittery)
Good for impeding your 5.56mm ballistics, causing deafness, and setting things around you on fire with muzzle flash.
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.I had a guy at the local pawn shop try to sell me an AK-47 pistol. New in the box from Hungary for $450 with two mags! He said it would make a very nice truck gun. I declined.
Posted by: Registered Voter at January 27, 2014 01:14 PM (Rm+rQ)
Posted by: Mongoose at January 27, 2014 01:20 PM (DXfkx)
Back in the day, the ARGUMENTS were that the teflon allowed the bullet to pierce armor- so the LE types and lawyers emphatically pushed for their banning. No one really offered up proof that it did- on that it was MORE LIKELY to- in their arguments. Politicians, being of the not-so-sound mind, then proceeded to ban them.
At the same time, the Talon argument was going on; PHYSICIANS were the ones that got those pushed out. They claimed they were getting cut during surgery and that the cut gloves exposed them to nastiness. Again, no one produced a bloody glove with a slit in it to show proorf.
Hyperbole, thy name is gun control...
Posted by: Mr Wolf at January 27, 2014 01:37 PM (Kfm4G)
Posted by: Darren at January 27, 2014 02:46 PM (cKoDv)
Posted by: Darren at January 27, 2014 02:49 PM (cKoDv)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 27, 2014 03:10 PM (9eDbm)
I'm pretty sure that round was developed purely for it's single round effectiveness in dispatching zombies.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: davisbr at January 27, 2014 03:48 PM (1B8lF)
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