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January 02, 2014

Michael Moore: "Obamacare Is Awful"
— Ace

Yup. Of course he prefers a single-payer disaster but he calls the current disaster what it is, which is a disaster.

In an op-ed published at the New York Times, Moore wrote, "Obamacare is awful."
"For many people, the 'affordable' part of the Affordable Care Act risks being a cruel joke," added Moore. "The cheapest plan available to a 60-year-old couple making $65,000 a year in Hartford, Conn., will cost $11,800 in annual premiums. And their deductible will be $12,600. If both become seriously ill, they might have to pay almost $25,000 in a single year."

Even the Husky Huckster can add a premium to a deductible and sum up the out-of-pocket expenses for the "Affordable" Health Care Act.

The more the planners plan, the more they fail, and the more power they require to implement new fixes to their plans.

Posted by: Ace at 09:43 AM | Comments (163)
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1 1ish

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 02, 2014 09:44 AM (HVff2)

2 Is anyone else hearing sound effects when they load aoshq? No video this time, just gunfire/fireworks type sounds

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 09:44 AM (GSIDW)

3 Governments hide the evils of single payer....also, I call it Insurance Without Doctors...

Posted by: @ParisParamus at January 02, 2014 09:45 AM (gYzAr)

4 So the fat hasn't completely clogged his neural pathways? Stunning.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 09:45 AM (JpFMR)

5 Bullshit. It only costs money if you can actually enroll. QED.

Posted by: Bivalve Curious at January 02, 2014 09:45 AM (aGqSh)

6 Michael Moore is one fat fuckwad.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 02, 2014 09:45 AM (wtvvX)

7 2 Is anyone else hearing sound effects when they load aoshq? No video this time, just gunfire/fireworks type sounds Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 01:44 PM (GSIDW) Yup. Sporadic though, not every single time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 09:45 AM (JpFMR)

8 Well, the party is just getting started, fattypants.

Posted by: garrett at January 02, 2014 09:45 AM (/lFpF)

9 Eh, the Michigan Manatee is always coming from the left. Very, very slowly.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 09:46 AM (RD7QR)

10 Ace's resolutions quit smoking & being nicer to douche bags? His assessment of fat fuck is pretty nice, "Even the Husky Huckster"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 02, 2014 09:46 AM (HVff2)

11 Obamacare will make the NIH look like a well-oiled machine of freedom.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at January 02, 2014 09:47 AM (09o/X)

12 Michael Moore is a heart attack waiting to happen. Please, don't socialize his medical insurance costs, I have plenty of my own, thank you.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 02, 2014 09:47 AM (pginn)

13 Yup. Sporadic though, not every single time. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 01:45 PM (JpFMR) -- Sporadic gunfire at AoSHQ. Quick, pass the ammo!

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 09:47 AM (GSIDW)

14 Borders Without Doctors?

Posted by: The Good Ship Lollipop at January 02, 2014 09:47 AM (rz0yi)

15 This is bullshit too! They (including Moore) KNEW this would be the result. Now the only remedy is Total Govt Health Care. I.E., no more private health insurance corporations. First, fascism. Then full-blown communism.

Posted by: Sooth at January 02, 2014 09:48 AM (4lPYo)

16 Of course, I just post this down below, it's longish, but Obamacare related, so I'll re-post:

I had a bit of an Obamafail run-in with my millionaire Marxist physician uncle on Christmas Eve. I had actually always assumed the guy was at least somewhat intelligent even if we disagreed, he proved to me (and quite a few others) that he is an idiot.

I tend to crack on Obamacare whenever an opportunity arises, especially around the 20-somethings. Well he heard this one and said, "You know, I'm getting sick of this, I'm going to defend Obamacare". So I said, "well sit right down, I'd love to hear what the defense is."

So to start, he claimed the only real problem is the website which he claims works perfectly in RI (probably bullshit, I don't really know or care). I asked him if it's so great in RI, why it had to be forced on the rest of the country? He asked me if I thought that states like LA, or AL would do it if they weren't forced? I said obviously not, to which he responded, 'well, that's why.' I asked why forcing people into this system was so important for him, he said it was so they could make sure that everybody has the proper level of insurance.

At this point I kind of laughed and said, "well, that's what makes you a Leftist." The lifelong Marxist got seriously offended at this and claimed he was not on the Left, maybe to me, right-wing extremist, it seemed that way, but he's in no way a Leftist. I said, "with the possible exception of your wife, you are without question the most politically Leftist person among the dozens in this house right now, hell, you started your defense of Obamacare by stating your true desire is for a single payer system. Are you actually aware of what Right-Left even means in the political sense?" At this point I gave him a quick lecture re: the political spectrum as in state-coersion vs. individual liberty. He clearly didn't like this discussion about the true division between the political Right and Left and wanted to drop the subject.

Ok, so back to Obamacare, he then claimed it's great because we're finally getting insurance to the uninsured. I asked about the millions who have had their policies cancelled vs. the (allegedly) hundred thousand or so who have managed to enroll, sounds to me like you just took people previously paying for their own health insurance, and made them uninsured, the exact opposite of your claim. His response was to stop watching Fox News' lies. I told him I don't watch tv news, so he said to stop reading Drudge then, lol. FYI, this retard prefaces almost every 'fact' with, "I heard on NPR..."

Then I asked him about the promise to lower costs. He claimed it did. Told him how one of my co-workers has a business she and her husband own. They'd been helping their few employees get insurance, she showed me the plans offered for next year. Not pretty. For a mere $4000/yr more, they could purchase a far shittier plan with much higher deductables, $6000-$7000/yr more to keep a similar level. He claimed this was just because they were being offered a bad insurance plan before, and now have to pay extra for a good one. I pointed out again that this far more expensive plan was in fact far poorer coverage at which point I think I finally made him snap.

After hearing my story about lower-middle class people getting utterly boned by his elitist bullshit, he completely changed the subject and made it all about me. He lectured me about my lack of compassion, and how on this Christmas season I should warm my heart and have more compassion for people. Again, this is after shrugging off examples of real people getting screwed by his policies, he attacks me for not having compassion for all the hypothetical people of the world, you know, like he does.

Now, I laughed at this line of attack to start, I'm used to it from liberals, but clearly this was all he had left and this is a guy who is not used to losing arguments. So he takes my laughing at this as a Serious You Guys matter and decides his brilliant defense of Obamacare is going to revolve around what a piece of shit I am.

He then absurdly accuses me of not caring about starving children. Well, being the prick I am, my first response to this was, "what starving children?" He got flabbergasted, "what do you mean? Do you actually think there aren't any starving children in this country right now?" I say, "in a country of over 300 million people, I'm sure there's a kid somewhere who could use a bite to eat, but I just don't see hunger as a problem in this country. You're a doctor, you're probably well aware that in this country, poverty and obesity go hand-in-hand." He says, "yeah, because they don't have enough money to buy quality food." I laugh again and pat him on the shoulder, "so I'm glad we can agree that there aren't any children going hungry due to my lack of compassion, right?"

So now I've got him raging, he stands up and pulls the, "I'll win this if I stand over you not allowing you to stand up so I can look down on you while I lecture you". And it was more of the, I'm a heartless prick variety, he even pulled the "I'm 65, how dare you question me" card. I immediately responded, "but my grandparents sitting right there are over 90 and agree with everything I'm saying. What's the new slogan? Don't trust anyone over 90?"

Now he's raging extra-hard started telling me he knows that I'm a racist in my job and that I don't treat people the same based on how prejudiced I am. Prick hasn't the slightest idea what I really do, but he's damn sure I'm a racist at it. Now I know by this point, he was just trolling for an angry reaction from me, a win by default of me cursing him out in front of the family. Well, he wasn't going to get it, I continued to laugh as I shook my head realizing that all respect I'd ever had for this guy had been forever lost.

I wasn't through with him though, got in a few additional digs. Before he left for the night I told him to lay off the NPR, that state-run radio rots your brain. Then the next day during Christmas, I didn't really feel like talking to the douche, but as he left, I shook his hand, looked him in the eye, and said "I wish you a Merry Christmas from the cold crevices of the empty heart-shaped cavity in my chest."

Really though, the main reason I enjoy these types of confrontations is not because I'd thought I'd make a dent on him, I knew I wouldn't. It was for the younger crowd watching on. One of my brother's 25 year old friend was watching the whole thing. He said to me after, "I've heard all about how bad Obamacare is from you, I was actually interested in hearing someone finally defend it, but all he did was keep changing the subject and attacking you." I said, "Yeah, it wasn't much of a defense of Obamacare, but in his defense, claiming that Obamacare is a disaster because I'm a heartless racist is at least as good as the best defense I've heard for this POS to date."

Posted by: mugiwara at January 02, 2014 09:48 AM (W7ffl)

17 He found out he was only 2/3 covered.

Posted by: Caliban at January 02, 2014 09:48 AM (DrC22)

18 Ah Mik'al Moor......

hey Tugboat why are you so racist?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 09:48 AM (TE35l)

19 14 Borders Without Doctors? Posted by: The Good Ship Lollipop at January 02, 2014 01:47 PM (rz0yi) Doctors Without Payments? Doctors Without Patients?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 09:49 AM (JpFMR)

I believe self employed documentary creators are in the "Indivdual Health Care Market".

Posted by: The Barrel at January 02, 2014 09:49 AM (nELVU)

21 What sooth said -> 15

Posted by: Michael Mann at January 02, 2014 09:49 AM (aDwsi)

22 14 Borders Without Doctors? Posted by: The Good Ship Lollipop at January 02, 2014 01:47 PM (rz0yi) Well played. **golf claps**

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2014 09:49 AM (olDqf)

23 Oh shit, we just ruined the American health care system! Oh dear. Well let's use this opportunity to do it Right this time. Yeah. Bullshit.

Posted by: Sooth at January 02, 2014 09:50 AM (4lPYo)

24 Just another White racist trying to keep a Black man down.

Posted by: Gloria J. Browne-Marshall at January 02, 2014 09:50 AM (0FSuD)

25 Tubby Riefenstahl should only have a lap band surgery in Havana. Odds are, they'll put it around his neck.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2014 09:50 AM (olDqf)

26 The Micheal Moore? Sad.

Posted by: nip at January 02, 2014 09:50 AM (jI23+)

27 "The cheapest plan available to a 60-year-old couple making $65,000 a year in Hartford, Conn., will cost $11,800 in annual premiums. And their deductible will be $12,600. If both become seriously ill, they might have to pay almost $25,000 in a single year."

That's what I call a good start, Mike. And if that 60-year-old couple has their bank account hacked because they enrolled on an unsecure federal government website, then the cost will be much higher.

Posted by: mrp at January 02, 2014 09:51 AM (HjPtV)

28 Don't be dissing my step brother now.

Posted by: Hugh Jass at January 02, 2014 09:51 AM (6S4Ai)

29 This fat fuckwad needs to be strapped to a Stairmaster for all of 2014 and pay for his own healthcare. He should make a propaganda film about it: call it "Lard 9/11".

Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 02, 2014 09:52 AM (RXQ2T)

30 Best indication of how awful it is, is when they call it a Republican idea. They're fucking desperate to pin it on somebody else.

Posted by: lauraw at January 02, 2014 09:52 AM (yGblt)

31 Someone explain to me how a person who couldn't afford Health Insurance at all is now going to be able to pay a $6-25,000 deductible?

Posted by: garrett at January 02, 2014 09:52 AM (/lFpF)

32 Do you really believe Michael Moore cares what anything costs Other People? That right there is your first clue this is all Bullshit. It's all an elaborate scheme and Moore is part of it.

Posted by: Sooth at January 02, 2014 09:53 AM (4lPYo)

33 Speaking of racism, who sent me this 12 inches of white? Who going to shovel that shit out of my driveway so I can get to the Nation of Islam Friday prayers?

Posted by: Gloria J. Browne-Marshall at January 02, 2014 09:53 AM (0FSuD)

34 16 mugiwara at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (W7ffl)

You just warmed the empty cavity in my chest Happy New Year

17 Caliban at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (DrC22)

It was though I suddenly heard a million cotton field cry out in anguish and then go silent.

//Obi-Wan Kenobi Fruit of the Loom CEO

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 09:53 AM (TE35l)

35 29 This fat fuckwad needs to be strapped to a Stairmaster for all of 2014 and pay for his own healthcare. He should make a propaganda film about it: call it "Lard 9/11".

Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 02, 2014 01:52 PM (RXQ2T)

Why do you hate us? Why?

Posted by: Stairmasters at January 02, 2014 09:54 AM (RD7QR)

36 Michael Moore: Healthcare as Al Gore: Global Warming

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 09:54 AM (GSIDW)

37 So it won't work, it wasn't a good idea, and should have never been done then? Thanks for that timely insight there.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 02, 2014 09:54 AM (0q2P7)

38 Posted by: mugiwara at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (W7ffl Thanks for sharing, an interesting Xmas story.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 02, 2014 09:55 AM (HVff2)

39 The Fat Fuck has spoken, I am surprised he had an empty mouth long enough to make that statement. It must take an enormous amount of food to maintain that girth.

Posted by: Hop Sing, cook and cattle rustler, babysitter and bottle washer. at January 02, 2014 09:55 AM (vuxgX)

40 35 Stairmasters at January 02, 2014 01:54 PM (RD7QR)

I'll SUE IF THAT COCKSUCKER BREAKS MY BACK!

//The Earth esq

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 09:55 AM (TE35l)

41 And what would this wealthy Detroit millionaire know about "suffering" due to lack of insurance? As he eats his bag of taco-flavored Doritos, licks his disgusting short fingers, and reeks of old flop-sweat and dirty laundry?

I thought he was at a fat rehab place. He must have escaped to do more harm. Flatulent nincompoop.

Idea! Can he tag along with Dennis Rodman to North Korea as a peace offering? They can keep him. I would not care if they inflated Mikey and tried to float him with that big plastic duck that keeps deflating...oh, wait, that was Taiwan. My bad. Still, let's trade him to someone in the axis of evil. Does Iran want him? They could send him to space with their monkeys...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, expert on fat, flatulent Moore at January 02, 2014 09:55 AM (baL2B)

42 36 Michael Moore: Healthcare as Al Gore: Global Warming

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 01:54 PM (GSIDW)

If by that syllogism you mean "an insanely profitable scam," then true, very true.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 09:55 AM (RD7QR)

43 Is anyone else hearing sound effects when they load aoshq? No video this time, just gunfire/fireworks type sounds

Posted by: votermom at January 02, 2014 01:44 PM (GSIDW)

Sorry, thought I heard an intruder, so I told my Doctor-wife to break out the trusty double barrel.

Posted by: Choo Choo Joey at January 02, 2014 09:56 AM (L8r/r)

44 Broken clock and all that. I'd be interested to know how "cheap" he thinks single-payer might be.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 02, 2014 09:56 AM (+WFsJ)

45 Posted by: mugiwara at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (W7ffl) *** *round of applause* That would have been fun to watch.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 09:56 AM (/Crba)

46 We must copy the Cuban healthcare system! Michael Moore

Posted by: steevy at January 02, 2014 09:56 AM (zqvg6)

47 Math has a well known conservative bias.

Posted by: Kreplach at January 02, 2014 09:56 AM (tmzN0)

48 47 Kreplach at January 02, 2014 01:56 PM (tmzN0)

Math...like a battered wife she always tries to return to mean

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (TE35l)

49 the only sounds I hear are... screaming... and bullwhips crackin'

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (4lPYo)

50 The problem us not with Obamacare but with ourselves. We resisted. We are unworthy.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (zDsvJ)

51 41 And what would this wealthy Detroit millionaire know about "suffering" due to lack of insurance? As he eats his bag of taco-flavored Doritos, licks his disgusting short fingers, and reeks of old flop-sweat and dirty laundry? --- We can ask his non-union film crews, which he uses because it's too expensive to film using approved Hollywood crews.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (/Crba)

52 Would he support a single-payer system for filmmakers?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (T0NGe)

53 Idea! Can he tag along with Dennis Rodman to North Korea as a peace offering? They can keep him. I would not care if they inflated Mikey and tried to float him with that big plastic duck that keeps deflating...oh, wait, that was Taiwan. My bad. Still, let's trade him to someone in the axis of evil. Does Iran want him? They could send him to space with their monkeys...

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, expert on fat, flatulent Moore at January 02, 2014 01:55 PM (baL2B)

Good lord, think of how many starving North Koreans the Flint Fatboy could feed!

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (RD7QR)

54 The more the planners plan, the more they fail, and the more power they require to implement new fixes to their plans. As I noted earlier today, a more suspicious person, unlike a delicate flower of innocent virtue as myself, would suspect that this is a plan in order to require more money and power to those positing such a scheme. Here, have a heart warming thesis topic: http://bit.ly/1cp6dYF

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (VtjlW)

55 "Bloated Piece of Shit Condemns Bloated Piece of Shit Legislation in Bloated Piece of Shit Newspaper, Film at 11."

Posted by: Sharkman at January 02, 2014 09:57 AM (TM1p8)

56 OT: Legendary broadcaster and one of the fathers of conservative talk radio, Bob Grant, passes away at 84. RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 02, 2014 09:58 AM (olDqf)

57

This just in, the dopey Bill Buchanan, the guy who looked hopelessly dim and dull, says that ACA is awesome and you dummies are stupid, because you never read it, and Jesus wants you to support it.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Bunnies at January 02, 2014 09:58 AM (xggaJ)

58 Single Payer is free. Dummies.

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 09:58 AM (4lPYo)

59 Moore is just agitatin' for moar comminism.

Posted by: --- at January 02, 2014 09:58 AM (MMC8r)

60 50 Y-not on the phone at January 02, 2014 01:57 PM (zDsvJ)

as people unworthy of the Won perhaps we can have his strip us of our citizenship and be put on reservations in the Dakotas, down through Texas?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 09:58 AM (TE35l)

61 "Is anyone else hearing sound effects when they load aoshq?" If you hear "FFUCCCKK! What are these motherfuckers doing to my country?!?"... that was me.

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at January 02, 2014 09:59 AM (X7MMs)

62 The Doctor-wife fired through the door, just like I told her. Someone call an ambulance, the mailman is bleeding all over my new Brony catalog.

Posted by: Choo Choo Joey at January 02, 2014 10:00 AM (L8r/r)

63 56 Sad news.Bob Grant was one of the earliest talk radio guys,I listened to him before I ever heard of Rush Limbaugh.He could also be very funny.RIP Bob.

Posted by: steevy at January 02, 2014 10:00 AM (zqvg6)

64 53 Good lord, think of how many starving North Koreans the Flint Fatboy could feed! Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 01:57 PM (RD7QR) Oh fuck that is just wrong. Wrong I say & gross too.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 02, 2014 10:00 AM (HVff2)

65 The fat retard is just shilling for single-payer. I expect a lot of this in the coming months.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 02, 2014 10:00 AM (7ObY1)

66 as people unworthy of the Won perhaps we can have his strip us of our citizenship and be put on reservations in the Dakotas, down through Texas?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 01:58 PM (TE35l)

Depends on whether we get casinos and firewater.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 10:00 AM (RD7QR)

67
Illness without cure
Death without dignity

And a free condom in every coffin!

Posted by: How cool is that! at January 02, 2014 10:01 AM (bkTIc)

68 Michael Moore is an infamous white racist.

Posted by: Gloria J. Browne-Marshall at January 02, 2014 10:02 AM (DrC22)

69 Michael Moore : Southern white racist. Who knew?

Posted by: --- at January 02, 2014 10:02 AM (MMC8r)

70 him....damn I am finally on the lower floor's computer again...I think I need to change the wireless keyboard batteries.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 02, 2014 10:02 AM (TE35l)

71 >>>I'd be interested to know how "cheap" he thinks single-payer might be.....

It's cost is irrelevant. The quality of care it provides or if care is provided at all is irrelevant. It's complete lack of patient rights is irrelevant. The only relevant consideration is that no prole can use their personal wealth or property to get better medical care than any other prole. Outcomes of the proles are equal=> goal accomplished.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 02, 2014 10:02 AM (0q2P7)

72 Good grief! The CA Supreme Court has given an illegal alien the right to practice law. So much for being a country of laws. Farewell, my beloved Democratic Republic. You had a good run,

Posted by: runningrn at January 02, 2014 10:02 AM (o6g4X)

73 Hey--stop copying me!

Posted by: Gloria J. Browne-Marshall at January 02, 2014 10:03 AM (DrC22)

74 72 Good grief! The CA Supreme Court has given an illegal alien the right to practice law. So much for being a country of laws. Farewell, my beloved Democratic Republic. You had a good run, --- What the fuck is the Bar Association doing out there in Cali, anyway? Trying to figure out how many Coronas one can drink in one sitting?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 10:03 AM (/Crba)

75
Depends on whether we get casinos and firewater.
Posted by: joncelli

We'd probably get blankets and a copy of Dream of My Farther.

Posted by: Bruce at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (nZ561)

76 The CA Supreme Court has given an illegal alien the right to practice law Just what we need, another amberlamps chaser.

Posted by: garrett at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (/lFpF)

77 They've outlawed plastic bags in Calif. So, don't be surprised if you see a spike in ecoli and toxic shock syndrome. You like your limbs, you may not be able to keep your limbs...

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (Qev5V)

78 The fat retard is just shilling for single-payer.

I expect a lot of this in the coming months.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 02, 2014 02:00 PM (7ObY1)

From Moore or Christy?

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (fwARV)

79 4 So the fat hasn't completely clogged his neural pathways? Stunning. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 01:45 PM (JpFMR) No, read the link, it totally has.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (N/cFh)

80 If obama and Moore were mechanics, they'd offer oil changes for $5. How can they offer such an 'affordable' oil change? Because they drain your old oil and never refill it! Unbeknownst to you is the 'real business' obama and Moore are in: new engines.

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (4lPYo)

81 The next time Michael Moore needs a serious medical procedure, I want him to go to Cuba for it. Put his big mouth where his money is.

Posted by: runningrn at January 02, 2014 10:04 AM (o6g4X)

82 Off, retard VP sock.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 02, 2014 10:05 AM (fwARV)

83 The fat retard is just shilling for single-payer. I expect a lot of this in the coming months. But to do that, he has to acknowledge Obama is an incompetent boob who doesn't know what the hell he's doing. Which actually undermines single-payer. If Obama -- the greatest intellect America (or Kenya or Indonesia) has ever produced -- can't even do half-assed single-payer, what kind of demigod do we need for the full-assed version to work?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 02, 2014 10:05 AM (T0NGe)

84 The CA Supreme Court has given an illegal alien the right to practice law I support this if people can go to Home Depot and pick up a lawyer for $10/hr in the back of their pickup truck.

Posted by: --- at January 02, 2014 10:05 AM (MMC8r)

85 64 53
Good lord, think of how many starving North Koreans the Flint Fatboy could feed!
Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 01:57 PM (RD7QR)

Oh fuck that is just wrong. Wrong I say & gross too.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 02, 2014 02:00 PM (HVff2)

[Elvis voice] Thenkyew. Thenkyewveddymuch. [/Elvis voice]

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 10:05 AM (RD7QR)

86 76 The CA Supreme Court has given an illegal alien the right to practice law Just what we need, another amberlamps chaser. --- Yo, sumbody call the amber lamps!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 10:05 AM (/Crba)

87 >>>What the fuck is the Bar Association doing out there in Cali, anyway?

The California Bar Association? What are they doing? Seriously? Actively undermining the Republic of course.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 02, 2014 10:06 AM (0q2P7)

88 Moore has probably been told my his Union masters that the unions are getting fucked also, hence his sudden conversion. Moore is a union thug/hack.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 10:06 AM (0FSuD)

89 Heh. As I said earlier, Rules are for shmucks like you and me.

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 10:06 AM (4lPYo)

90 They should give him his law license, and then deport him.

Posted by: garrett at January 02, 2014 10:06 AM (/lFpF)

91 As I noted earlier today, a more suspicious person, unlike a delicate flower of innocent virtue as myself, would suspect that this is a plan in order to require more money and power to those positing such a scheme. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 01:57 PM (VtjlW) Meh, doubtful. "Well, we took a ton of money and power to do this thing and it utterly failed so we need more money and more power to do it right" seems like an incredibly stupid strategy.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 10:06 AM (JpFMR)

92 Aw shit I went on that link I didn't realize Harold Simmons had died.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 02, 2014 10:07 AM (WdbF7)

93 Charging the fat ass by the pound for his insurance premium should cover most of the Easten Seaboard's costs.

Posted by: Fartist at January 02, 2014 10:07 AM (6N4PL)

94 LOL! A Michael Moore OP-ED? First of all, just exactly what is this tools' experise - other than being a dumb Liberal blowhard. And second, WHO CARES WHAT THIS FAT TURD THINKS ANYWAY! But hey, at the very least he's perfect for the losers who actually read NYT.

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at January 02, 2014 10:09 AM (2mR8s)

95 How does a member of the bar, a court officer, ethically violate his oath and practice law when he is not a citizen? CA has some mighty strange people out there. Land of the nuts and fruits.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 10:09 AM (0FSuD)

96 Did you guys read any of the comments in the NYT's Michael Moore op ed? They are beyond weapons grade stupid. A bunch blamed the Republicans for ACA. They essentially said "Even though Obama knew single payer was the right way to go, he had to work with the insurance companies because of Republican opposition. It was the best he could do with the Evil Republicans, who are in bed with insurance companies blocking him." These idiots vote! We are doomed.

Posted by: runningrn at January 02, 2014 10:10 AM (o6g4X)

97 My friends, you have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at January 02, 2014 10:10 AM (Pr6hk)

98 96 How does a member of the bar, a court officer, ethically violate his oath and practice law when he is not a citizen? CA has some mighty strange people out there. Land of the nuts and fruits. It provides a great way to appeal a case he represented you on if it doesn't go your way. Illegal and inadequate representation.

Posted by: runningrn at January 02, 2014 10:11 AM (o6g4X)

99 Meh, doubtful. "Well, we took a ton of money and power to do this thing and it utterly failed so we need more money and more power to do it right" seems like an incredibly stupid strategy. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 02:06 PM (JpFMR) Yes but it sure as hell seems to work to get Our Betters more power and money. You ask for an example? I give you the entirety of the United States government for the past, ohhhhh, 100 years.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 10:11 AM (VtjlW)

100 My prediction? PAIN

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at January 02, 2014 10:11 AM (Pr6hk)

101 "The more the planners plan, the more they fail, and the more power they require to implement new fixes to their plans." Ace forgot to footnote the book that was written about this process 80+ years ago, so I'll do it for him: The Road to Serfdom

Posted by: Alec Rawls at January 02, 2014 10:12 AM (kTTUz)

102 >>>How does a member of the bar, a court officer, ethically violate his oath and practice law when he is not a citizen?

Oh he does or at least would. But as the Stalin noted it's not the votes but who counts them. It's not whether he does or does not violate ethics by his very illegal presence in the country, because clearly and objectively he does. It's whether the CBA will actually *say* that is a violation and hold him accountable which they will not.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 02, 2014 10:12 AM (0q2P7)

103 O/T Just for a little fun, Client #9 is fucking a 31 year old who appears to be rich, but not Jewish. Why can't he ever find a nice Jewish girl to fuck? http://tinyurl.com/qf3advz

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 10:12 AM (0FSuD)

104 33 Speaking of racism, who sent me this 12 inches of white? Too easy.

Posted by: wooga at January 02, 2014 10:12 AM (h68p/)

105 You ask for an example? I give you the entirety of the United States government for the past, ohhhhh, 100 years. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 02:11 PM (VtjlW) Incrementalism. This would be a very large, very naked power grab. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, just that I'm dubious that they planned to fail so spectacularly.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 10:14 AM (JpFMR)

106 "The cheapest plan available to a 60-year-old couple making $65,000 a year in Hartford, Conn., will cost $11,800 in annual premiums. And their deductible will be $12,600. If both become seriously ill, they might have to pay almost $25,000 in a single year." Their out of pocket costs don't end with the deductible and premiums. If they, for instance, go to an emergency room, then get admitted, once their deductible is met, they will, on the bronze plans, have to pay 40% up to some yearly limit. The cheaper plans only cover 60% of hospitalization up to the yearly limit. You have to pay much higher premiums to have 80% hospital coverage. I guess those white racist southerners are at fault for how worthless these plans are.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2014 10:14 AM (RxVu7)

107 >>>These idiots vote! We are doomed.

Because Ã˜care got how many Republican votes? Yup, weapons grade stupid.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 02, 2014 10:14 AM (0q2P7)

108

33: "Speaking of racism, who sent me this 12 inches of white?"

You only have to take the tip. Promise.

Posted by: Zombie John Holmes at January 02, 2014 10:15 AM (LJpVo)

109 Okay, I'm game: http://goo.gl/1rWNxt Maybe, we can form teams?

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 02, 2014 10:15 AM (Qev5V)

110 this just reminds me that pooling my health care costs with Michael Moore is a bad deal for me.

Posted by: X at January 02, 2014 10:15 AM (KHo8t)

111 "I'm hopeful that we will have a bill as a Christmas present for the American people." --Our Lady Of Perpetual Shocked Expression (Pelosi) November 2009

Posted by: Soothern Man at January 02, 2014 10:16 AM (4lPYo)

112 104 O/T Just for a little fun, Client #9 is fucking a 31 year old who appears to be rich, but not Jewish. Why can't he ever find a nice Jewish girl to fuck? http://tinyurl.com/qf3advz --- Because she wouldn't have Shiksappeal.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 10:16 AM (/Crba)

113 104 O/T Just for a little fun, Client #9 is fucking a 31 year old who appears to be rich, but not Jewish. Why can't he ever find a nice Jewish girl to fuck?

http://tinyurl.com/qf3advz

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 02:12 PM (0FSuD)

He got a divorce? I thought the wifey was Standing by Her Man?

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 10:17 AM (RD7QR)

114 Their out of pocket costs don't end with the deductible and premiums. If they, for instance, go to an emergency room, then get admitted, once their deductible is met, they will, on the bronze plans, have to pay 40% up to some yearly limit. The cheaper plans only cover 60% of hospitalization up to the yearly limit. You have to pay much higher premiums to have 80% hospital coverage. I guess those white racist southerners are at fault for how worthless these plans are. Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2014 02:14 PM (RxVu7) Don't forget that when you need to go out of network for care because there are only three doctors in your network, none of whom treat what you have, those payments don't count towards your deductible.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 10:17 AM (VtjlW)

115 He got a divorce? I thought the wifey was Standing by Her Man? --- That was before he got caught boning other women again.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 10:17 AM (/Crba)

116 Fuck that bloated and pustule encrusted bucket of maggots. I'm sure the greasy bastard was short stroking all over the place when Botox rammed that shit through.

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2014 10:18 AM (xWW96)

117 Yep ... This impasse has Polite Civil Political Resolution written all over it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 02, 2014 10:18 AM (MGb2U)

118 Speaking of racism, who sent me this 12 inches of white? Too easy. Bet it took two deliveries of six inches.......

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2014 10:19 AM (t+DWU)

119 Incrementalism. This would be a very large, very naked power grab. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, just that I'm dubious that they planned to fail so spectacularly. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 02:14 PM (JpFMR) I doubt it was thought the failure would be this complete but, going back to Hillary Care, there has been a certain portion of the Left who wanted to try some half assed attempt that was obviously going to fail in order to agitate for single payer.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 10:20 AM (VtjlW)

120 They (including Moore) KNEW this would be the result. Now the only remedy is Total Govt Health Care. I.E., no more private health insurance corporations. First, fascism. Then full-blown communism. Posted by: Sooth at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (4lPYo) Yup, they made a gawd awful mess of the insurance for the people stuck with healthcare.gov, so the solution is to make a gawd awful mess of everyone's insurance. The mean, hateful part of me wants to see teachers' union members and UAW types have that crap shoved down their gullets. Unfortunately, deserving people would also have their healthcare turned to shit.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2014 10:21 AM (RxVu7)

121 So why do we use the misnomer "single payer"? It won't be any fucking single payer, that I guarantee.

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2014 10:21 AM (xWW96)

122 He got a divorce? I thought the wifey was Standing by Her Man? Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 02:17 PM (RD7QR) Nice Southern girl from Concord, NC, mill town, got too much to handle with #9 http://tinyurl.com/qd4c6e9

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 10:21 AM (0FSuD)

123 Do people still kiss Spitzer's ass? He has no future in politics. He's not attractive. Unless he gives his gf gifts besides herpes and other assorted STDs, why would anyone get involved with that loser?

Posted by: Bean Pies, ey? at January 02, 2014 10:22 AM (Qev5V)

124 I call it "single-decider", because that's all it is. Centralized rationing/redistribution.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 02, 2014 10:22 AM (ZshNr)

125 Okay. Which of you did this? http://bit.ly/1iwPds3 And why didn't you ask the rest of us to participate? *taps foot*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 10:22 AM (VtjlW)

126 Feel good story of the day:

Another dupe self identifies!

Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 02, 2014 10:24 AM (JSmUP)

127 124 Do people still kiss Spitzer's ass? He has no future in politics. He's not attractive. Unless he gives his gf gifts besides herpes and other assorted STDs, why would anyone get involved with that loser? I am worth a $100 mill, come over here and suck my dick

Posted by: Client #9 at January 02, 2014 10:24 AM (0FSuD)

128 128 124 Do people still kiss Spitzer's ass? He has no future in politics. He's not attractive. Unless he gives his gf gifts besides herpes and other assorted STDs, why would anyone get involved with that loser? I am worth a $100 mill, come over here and suck my dick --- Pretty sure his WIFE was the one with the money, not him.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 10:24 AM (/Crba)

129 I am worth a $100 mill, come over here and suck my dick Make that $50 mil.

Posted by: His Wife's Divorce Lawyer at January 02, 2014 10:24 AM (MMC8r)

130 Link in name.

Feel good story.
Oregon.
Yoga Instructor.
Idiot.
Self-Identification.

Yummy, yummy tears...

Posted by: Nom de Blog at January 02, 2014 10:25 AM (JSmUP)

131 All is proceeding as I have foreseen.

Posted by: F. Hayek at January 02, 2014 10:25 AM (rFipM)

132 I doubt it was thought the failure would be this complete but, going back to Hillary Care, there has been a certain portion of the Left who wanted to try some half assed attempt that was obviously going to fail in order to agitate for single payer. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 02:20 PM (VtjlW) I have a real hard time believing anyone's plan is success through failure. Especially a party/ideology built around hubris.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 10:26 AM (JpFMR)

133 If you appeal to the federal level on the grounds on inadequate representation - do you get a new, American lawyer?

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2014 10:26 AM (4JkHl)

134 I'd be interested to know how "cheap" he thinks single-payer might be....

As it goes with muscle cars, so it goes with health care:

Fast, reliable, cheap: Pick two.

Our traditional healthcare system operates under the 'fast, reliable' model- we have ready access to some of the highest quality healthcare in the world. Necessarily, that ease of access and high quality (reliability) comes at a high cost.

It is very well possible that a single-payer model might be significantly cheaper, either under a 'fast, cheap' or 'reliable, cheap' model.

You either get easy, fast, cheap access to sub-standard care, or quality care with long wait times and poor access (rationing).

Anybody who tells you that you can have all three- fast, reliable and cheap- is a filthy liar who should be ignored.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 02, 2014 10:26 AM (SY2Kh)

135 I have a real hard time believing anyone's plan is success through failure.

Especially a party/ideology built around hubris.

Some of them thought ObamaHillaryCare would work, the rest of them knew it wouldn't but went along in order to use it as a stalking horse for National Healthcare. The Left's cynicism is boundless.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 10:27 AM (RD7QR)

136
We can ask his non-union film crews, which he uses because it's too expensive to film using approved Hollywood crews.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 01:57 PM (/Crba)

Better yet, working a non-union film is a good way to ensure that you will NEVER be able to join a union in the future. And quitting a union to work a single non-union film will mean the major studios pretty much write you off, even if you're a famous A or B-lister behind the camera.

Ironically, the film industry doesn't fuck around when it comes to blacklisting.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 02, 2014 10:27 AM (TIIx5)

137 It's NY, being an ugly asshole isn't a barrier to political success.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2014 10:28 AM (4JkHl)

138 Pretty sure his WIFE was the one with the money, not him. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 02, 2014 02:24 PM (/Crba) Nope. Dad owns a shit lot of property. #9 just committed to spending $88 mill on a West Side development. How much of that is his and how much will be the taxpayers is what his campaign was all about. He had a prenup, she won't get much. http://tinyurl.com/pwnv5gg

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 10:28 AM (0FSuD)

139 And so it begins. The trap is set. The prey approaches. A glorious winter is about to descend on America

**Moore pulls heart plug of effeminate mopping boy, floats in the air, laughing maniacally**

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 10:29 AM (RLTt1)

140 I have a real hard time believing anyone's plan is success through failure. Especially a party/ideology built around hubris. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 02:26 PM (JpFMR) No, no, no, you're missing the underlying premise. The underlying premise is that what is currently in effect, i.e. private health insurance, is wrong and horrible and terrible. Therefore, it's not failure, it's pointing out to people that the only possible way to truly solve the issue is by nuking it from space and starting over. Thus, it's not failure to implement a half measure, it's a strategic decision to reveal the flaws underlying the other side's "arguments" against it. Think LIB but applied to the current health insurance system. Since the system is corrupt, any steps to destroy it are fair game.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 10:31 AM (VtjlW)

141 Yankees prepare for being Yankees. No bread or milk in stores. Cold, snowing like shit, and they can't get to the local bar. Heart breaking stories of stranded travels to follow at 11.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 02, 2014 10:32 AM (0FSuD)

142
As it goes with muscle cars, so it goes with health care:

Fast, reliable, cheap: Pick two.

Pick only one if you buy Italian.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 02, 2014 10:32 AM (TIIx5)

143 >>>You either get easy, fast, cheap access to sub-standard care, or quality care with long wait times and poor access (rationing).

I think with single payer in the US you won't ever get "cheaper". The level of corruption by public figures precludes it.

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 10:33 AM (RLTt1)

144 These idiots vote! We are doomed.
Posted by: runningrn at January 02, 2014 02:10 PM (o6g4X)
**********

Does 'Let it Burn' allow for letting the Proggie/Libs/Dems have it all so that it burns faster? Or must I bring myself to like the GOP milksops?

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at January 02, 2014 10:34 AM (rz0yi)

145 Think LIB but applied to the current health insurance system. Since the system is corrupt, any steps to destroy it are fair game. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 02:31 PM (VtjlW) I get what you're saying, but I don't think it works. From the outside what the avg citizen sees is the govt becoming directly involved in the healthcare industry and it's a catastrophic failure. They can't even get the website up and running. That's not a failure of the health insurance system, that's a failure of the govt program. The response of "Well, yeah, but it just shows that we need MORE power and MORE control" doesn't jive.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 10:35 AM (JpFMR)

146 Why dont we go with single payer for lawyers first.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2014 10:35 AM (4JkHl)

147 Health care has followed the same paradigm that higher education has gone down. The more government involvement and subsidy there is, the higher costs grow.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 02, 2014 10:35 AM (/qzu7)

148 **Moore pulls heart plug of effeminate mopping boy, floats in the air, laughing maniacally**

Posted by: Bigby's Snow-Shoveling Hands at January 02, 2014 02:29 PM (RLTt1)

I'm sending the sandworms his way.

Posted by: joncelli at January 02, 2014 10:35 AM (RD7QR)

149 Posted by: mugiwara at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (W7ffl), That whole "starving children " thing just bugs the hell out of me. Has your lib doctor relative ever seen a young patient who was malnourished? In my city there is an Aldi's across the street from a Walgreen's. Aldi's is a grocery store where you bag your own groceries, they have limited variety, but very good prices. Walgreen's is a drugstore that carries a little bit of everything. If you go into Walgreen's you will be treated to the sight of moms buying 1# Hershey bars, soda pop, and potato chips with food stamps. Across the street, the Aldi's has bags of frozen vegetables for $1, large boxes of corn flakes for $1.80, frozen orange juice for $1.30, 12 gallon of milk for $2.30, a bag of oranges for $2. Interestingly few of the customers at Aldi's are using EBT cards, fewer than at regular grocery stores.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 02, 2014 10:36 AM (RxVu7)

150 You either get easy, fast, cheap access to sub-standard care, or quality care with long wait times and poor access (rationing). .... or yo move to Texas.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2014 10:37 AM (4JkHl)

151 151You either get easy, fast, cheap access to sub-standard care, or quality care with long wait times and poor access (rationing). .... or yo move to Texas.

Posted by: Jean at January 02, 2014 02:37 PM (4JkHl)

Been to Austin lately? That town blows chunks.

Posted by: maddogg at January 02, 2014 10:39 AM (xWW96)

152 Good Lord, the comments on the original article in the NY Slimes. The stupid does more than just burn. It burns like Sandy Fluke's vajayjay after a weekend-long bender.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 02, 2014 10:42 AM (7ObY1)

153 Sample comment on the NY Slimes article: Single-payer like France would work great. Well, it doesn't really work in France but that's because there aren't enough people paying into it. But it would work here. Our betters, ladies and gents.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 02, 2014 10:44 AM (7ObY1)

154 Posted by: mugiwara at January 02, 2014 01:48 PM (W7ffl)

***

*round of applause*

That would have been fun to watch.
--

Dang, Brandon said what I was going to say. Well done!

Posted by: Mayday at January 02, 2014 10:44 AM (eHc+1)

155 Been to Austin lately? That town blows chunks. Posted by: maddogg Why would anyone in their right mind go to Austin, aka Moscow on the Colorado?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2014 10:49 AM (t+DWU)

156 I get what you're saying, but I don't think it works. From the outside what the avg citizen sees is the govt becoming directly involved in the healthcare industry and it's a catastrophic failure. They can't even get the website up and running. That's not a failure of the health insurance system, that's a failure of the govt program. The response of "Well, yeah, but it just shows that we need MORE power and MORE control" doesn't jive. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at January 02, 2014 02:35 PM (JpFMR) No, it doesn't make sense to you. That is because you don't think the government should be doing it at all. Sadly, there are a ton of people who view this and see it as the poor government trying to help and, darn it all, those Republicans stood in the way. If only the Republicans were gone, then the government could fix it all. After all, They tried to work with the Republicans and the Evil Insurance Companies and see how that failed? Of course that view is insane. It is also popular.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at January 02, 2014 10:49 AM (VtjlW)

157 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 at January 02, 2014 10:52 AM (t+DWU)

158 OK, so first off: if Michael Moore says it, it's an f'ing lie. Period, full stop. If Moore said "the sky is blue," double check everything - because he's setting you up for the other shoe. He's an animal, and he should be treated like an animal. Moore doesn't just want single payer; he wants socialized medicine. He wants the full monty. $5 co-pays, and a $10 deductible. The bullshit that destroys countries, that's what Michael Moore wants. The fact is, if a family can protect itself from a true medical catastrophe for $25,000 out of pocket, they should thank the Lord. This is the reality of healthcare: it's expensive, and no amount of liberal self loathing, self-lying, and self urinating is going to change that. Coronary bypass is very well understood these days. There are few, if any, hospitals in America - even the bad ones - who can't do it, and do it well. With that said: how much are you going to pay the medical team for this "routine procedure?" If Bruce Springsteen makes over $100,000 for a night - and I don't begrudge him the money, or argue that he is a very talented fool - then how much should we pay someone who has a similar situation? You can't DIY a bypass. You're not going to get it from a Nurse Practitioner. You need a surgeon - even a mediocre one - who went to school forever, amassed a heinous amount of debt, and has to carry a terrifying amount of malpractice insurance. They need to get paid. The whole team needs to get paid. And that means someone has to pay them. That's why insurance is expensive. We all knew this 5 years ago, when our lying leader peddled his bullshit to the people... and they ate it up. The fundamental problem with Obamacare is the cost. We have ALWAYS known this. It's not the website, it's not the access to services - it's the cost. Somebody has to pay for it. Michael Moore and his imbecile friends, including Bruce Springsteen, believe that "somebody" should be you. To hear him bitch about it is simply par for the course. He's not looking to eradicate Obamacare - he's looking to change it to US National Health. Why give him so much as 2" of site-space? He is a very bad human being. I say we ignore him.

Posted by: RobM1981 at January 02, 2014 10:53 AM (zurJC)

159 And of course, Fatty McTurdbucket led off by placing primary blame on the insurance companies. But he dares questions the wisdom of SCOAMF, so he is clearly a white southern radical racist.

Posted by: Stu-22 at January 02, 2014 11:02 AM (KbrNh)

160

"The more the planners plan, the more they fail, and the more power they require to implement new fixes to their plans."

It is a cracked pen, slathered in glue, wrapped in duct tape, and now nearly unrecognizable.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Have a Querulous New Year from the Outrage Outlet at January 02, 2014 11:05 AM (hLRSq)

161 Deer Michael Moore I'm looking forward to the day when the government health kommisars put your fat ass on a treadmill and mandate you lose weight. You know, to bend down the cost curve and all that.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 02, 2014 12:40 PM (1hM1d)

162 Somebody should tell Moore that one reason it's so expensive is because it covers preexisting conditons like obesity.

Posted by: Sam In VA at January 02, 2014 12:54 PM (Q52VH)

163 Michael Moore pimps for Castro care, but if you want, you can go on the web and actually see photos of Cuban hospitals. Moore is a good little communits so he don't tell you that 99 countries of the world trades with Cuba, so there is no Amrican embargo.. No country prevents the sale of soap and water, which is the main thing Cuban hospital needs, that and a little work. While Cuba builts new hospitals through out South America, Cubans go without. Cubans go without health care, because Castro wants it. As for antibiotics, the Mexican would give them to Cuba if asked. They have already written off $500 million is Cuban debt.

Posted by: burt at January 03, 2014 09:25 AM (1+kJ5)

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