January 20, 2014
— Ace No he doesn't say that. I lied for the headline. I learned that from The Media (TM).
But what he does say is that America seems to have reached a tipping point from which it will not recover -- which is the same premise that underlies the "Let It Burn" impulse.
Via Hot Air, Byron York reports a key moment in the new Romney documentary film, relaying Romney's thoughts upon realizing he wouldn't be the next President of the United States.
As defeat settled in, Romney discussed what to say in a concession speech — which, for all his natural pessimism, Romney had not considered ahead of time. And it was in that moment that some of Romney's passion about the race finally came out, far from the view of voters and television cameras. Stevens suggested that the losing candidate should play an almost "pastoral" role, "soothing" the American people after a long and divisive campaign."I don't think it is a time for soothing and everything's fine," said Romney. "I think this is a time for [saying], 'This is really serious, guys. This is really serious.'"
"To get up and soothe is not my inclination," an obviously anguished Romney continued. "I cannot believe that [Obama] is an aberration in the country. I believe we're following the same path of every other great nation, which is we're following greater government, tax rich people, promise more stuff to everybody, borrow until you go over a cliff. And I think we have a very high risk of reaching the tipping point sometime in the next five years. And the idea of saying 'it's just fine, don't worry about it' -- no, it's really not."
Given what has come before it in the film — Romney's defeatism in the debates — the scene leaves the impression that perhaps in his heart of hearts Romney never really believed he could win.
I think this is what we all felt, and all feel: That Obama is not an aberration. The man and the moment met at the precisely perfect time. Prior to 2008, a socialist could not have won the White House. In 2008, and thereafter, a socialist could win the White House -- if he was the exact perfect socialist.
Which, in 2008, Obama was.
But Obama's excellence as a candidate (at least in 200
and perfect timing -- the Perfect Semi-Stealth Socialist Candidate at the perfect Socialist Moment for such a thing -- cannot obscure the fact that something has changed in America. We all feel it; we all know it. Even the very reasonable and moderate-tempered Mitt Romney, who wouldn't start yelling "Socialist!" at the drop of the hat (to the chagrin of some of us), can feel it.
I think we have not been quite the same since 2008, and probably never will be the same again. We didn't leave America; America has left us.
2012 was our opportunity to right the American ship. After all, Obama's socialist agenda had produced nothing except exactly that which we had predicted -- a miserable economy in which a record number were on food stamps our out of work, and an unpopular statist takeover of health care.
And yet, even with the proof of Socialism's failings in our pockets... We still lost.
And it wasn't even really that close.
2012, I think, represented in our minds the Last Best Chance we had to prove America was still America... and we failed in that, or, perhaps, America failed to prove that about itself.
And so what now? Who knows. As Romney suggests, this may be the long slow sinking of the ship, the looting phase of an Empire which has rotted from within, a period in which not enough people are creating wealth, because banditry is now so lucrative (and state-sponsored).
The links above (Allah's and York's) contain interesting stuff about whether Romney ever really believed he could win the Presidency. For example, he seemed resigned to the idea of losing his debates with Obama, or hoping for, at best, ties.
But I think it's Romney's observation about America the Once-Great Nation, the Once Shining City on a Hill, which are most important.
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Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 11:43 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 11:44 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 11:44 AM (PYAXX)
We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House, my friendsh.
Posted by: Juan McCain at January 20, 2014 11:44 AM (3bbd3)
Hell, he wasn't wrong about the 47%. When you're starting at that much of a deficit, you're fucked...both as a candidate and as a nation.
Posted by: DangerGirl at January 20, 2014 11:45 AM (GrtrJ)
And the truly terrifying part is: What's next? Will I be in a burka in ten years? Speaking Russian?
We don't live alone on the planet, and nature abhors a vacuum.
Posted by: Biblio at January 20, 2014 11:45 AM (7o8VY)
Posted by: Richard Sherman at January 20, 2014 11:45 AM (oFCZn)
I guess the people said ok.
the only consolation i have is i'm not that young and perhaps won't have to live through the new socialist empire, however children will.
Posted by: willow at January 20, 2014 11:45 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 38 days until spring training at January 20, 2014 11:45 AM (u8GsB)
Posted by: Muad'dib at January 20, 2014 11:46 AM (KjlbF)
Ain't it cool?
Posted by: Rolling Stone at January 20, 2014 11:46 AM (NXg/k)
By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 11:46 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 11:46 AM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Michael Binkley at January 20, 2014 11:46 AM (RUvjp)
But....what if he is correct.
And someone, anyone, tell me why he isn't correct.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 20, 2014 11:47 AM (kFCo1)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 11:47 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: White people r pushovers at January 20, 2014 11:47 AM (R6JT1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 11:47 AM (uVkIH)
Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at January 20, 2014 11:47 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 11:48 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at January 20, 2014 11:48 AM (HVff2)
I hope that it holds true for the entire country. But if it takes secession to triage the healthy states from the doomed, so be it.
Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 20, 2014 11:48 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 11:48 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: @koenigjojo at January 20, 2014 11:48 AM (58bxI)
By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)
The same way they missed Flashbang and Speedbump, the Tsarenev brothers, Al-Walki, the Fort Hood shooter, etc.
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 11:49 AM (D+lxs)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 11:49 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: BuddyPC at January 20, 2014 11:49 AM (jfUIE)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: rickl at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (zoehZ)
As I've said before, Obama is the symptom not the disease. This is squarely on the 52.
America is a shitfail.
Posted by: eleven at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: NSA at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (Aif/5)
That election was the turning point.. or maybe I should say the fail-safe point.. or whatever they call it when the plan has reached the point of no return.
We can't stop it now. Maybe a perfect "storm" of GOP wins this year along with a GOP win in 2016 for the White House might do something.. but it will be damn hard.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Thulsa Choom at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (QupBk)
There are two ways to win a tug of war. One is to keep pulling, with all hands on deck. But if you've got people on your side pretending to pull (Ryan) or pushing (McCain), then you reach the second strategy:
Let go of the rope.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (Xfl0F)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (Q6HBD)
When I get too depressed at how things are going, I try to recall that it wasn't always peaches and cream in the past. Wilson's and FDR's incipient fascism, the Civil War, and even the Revolutionary War, in which at least a third of the nation was allied against the country, were all really bad times and we came out of them. Sorry, that's the best I can do.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 11:50 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Bruce at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (xvzKS)
Posted by: duke at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (d3clc)
Posted by: Republic of Texas 2: Electric Boogaloo at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (Gk2GE)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (Y5I9o)
The Dems, on the other hand, are completely convinced that they deserve to be in charge, which is why we have the government we deserve.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (P1WNR)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 11:51 AM (g1DWB)
More to the point, letting the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action vote has consequences.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 20, 2014 11:52 AM (Xfl0F)
As long as we keep letting the left and the media (BIRM) control the debates, that probably is the best we can hope for.
Or we could, you know, stop playing their game and start playing ours. Make them dance once in awhile. Sure, the media will cover for them and help them, but they'll do that anyway. Start leading instead of following. For as much as I think Romney is a good person and would have made a good President, he was the wrong candidate for this era. If he was worries about the debates, then don't have them, or at least insist on truly impartial moderators. They don't expect you to do that, so do it! What did you have to lose?
What bothered many conservatives about Romney, I think, is what bothers many of us about the GOP in general - we sensed a disturbing lack of spine. "Go along to get along" only works when you are dealing with reasonable opponents. The modern left is entirely unreasonable.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 11:52 AM (BAEzE)
Posted by: wooga at January 20, 2014 11:53 AM (ttWj3)
Wah! It's not my fault I lost! It's your fault!
Posted by: The Guy Who Won the Nomination and Promptly Took a Six Week Vacation
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 11:53 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 11:53 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: toby928© at January 20, 2014 11:53 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 11:53 AM (lg3mB)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 20, 2014 11:54 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: John McCain at January 20, 2014 11:54 AM (vgIRn)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 11:55 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 11:55 AM (E+uky)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 11:55 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (+fNrM)
Posted by: MTF at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (u2a4R)
By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)
The same way they missed Flashbang and Speedbump, the Tsarenev brothers, Al-Walki, the Fort Hood shooter, etc.
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 03:49 PM (D+lxs)
The NSA is like the crazy cat lady. They are collecting all that info, but are not, and can not analyze it real time. They will be like the police, and be able to draw really neat and precise chalk outlines around the body AFTER the next attack. We analyzed all the stored information and we discovered the 6 plotters were in the country and planning the attack for the last six months.
We also found 66 teaparty people were having affairs and black-mailed them into quitting the movement, and 4 Republicans that were in the closet.
Posted by: rd at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (D+lxs)
Posted by: Havedash at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (gvqyH)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (+fNrM)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 20, 2014 11:56 AM (P1WNR)
When I get too depressed at how things are going, I try to recall that it wasn't always peaches and cream in the past. Wilson's and FDR's incipient fascism, the Civil War, and even the Revolutionary War, in which at least a third of the nation was allied against the country, were all really bad times and we came out of them. Sorry, that's the best I can do.
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Those times had a majority of people who believed we should be free.
now, everyone just wants free stuff.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 20, 2014 11:57 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (lg3mB)<<<
Ahem. FIFY.
Posted by: Pajama Boy at January 20, 2014 11:57 AM (3bbd3)
Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 20, 2014 11:57 AM (4EDHz)
Posted by: fred! at January 20, 2014 11:57 AM (iEoiA)
Romney lost 95% of the black vote, 80% of the Hispanic vote, 80% of the Jewish vote , 100% of the FSA vote and 99% of the fraudulent vote and still won 24 States.
That could have possibly been balanced by getting the Paulians to the polls for Romney but unfortunately we will not ever know for sure.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 11:57 AM (m2CN7)
This interesting times shit blows monkey chunks.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 11:58 AM (Gk3SS)
And the post is how I felt after that election, just that it was lost, the nation that we thought we had.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 11:58 AM (n0DEs)
Posted by: Fritz at January 20, 2014 11:58 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 20, 2014 11:59 AM (+fNrM)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 20, 2014 11:59 AM (ecN6u)
The Dems, on the other hand, are completely convinced that they deserve to be in charge, which is why we have the government we deserve.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 03:51 PM (yh0zB)
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Exactly. The GOP goes with candidates because "it's their turn," rather than with someone that actually deserves to win.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 11:59 AM (BAEzE)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 11:59 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 20, 2014 11:59 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Papa Nurgle at January 20, 2014 12:00 PM (WlWt+)
I think the Obamapho lady switched before the election.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:00 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:00 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: John Gruden at January 20, 2014 12:00 PM (lg3mB)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 12:01 PM (E+uky)
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (Gk3SS)\
Indeed it does. But think of it this way...we are one step closer to the hostile takeover and implementation of Alextopia...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:01 PM (yh0zB)
In the words of King George "Just give it away. There ain't nothin' in this house worth fightin' over. And we're both tired of fightin' anyway ..."
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 12:01 PM (JbNtM)
We could always go back to fighting over hardwood vs. shag carpeting.
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 12:02 PM (Gk3SS)
I know that this makes me sound like an old crank, but at some point "we" stopped learning how to think for ourselves. Somewhere, after years of absorbing leftist propaganda via the media and public education, we lost our individuality, our innate thirst for risk taking and freedom, and our BALLS.
I cannot believe how lazy, immoral, uncouth, shallow and downright nasty we've become as a nation.
Posted by: Warden at January 20, 2014 12:02 PM (HzhBE)
This is one of the stupidest, most brain-dead memes in all the internetz. Romney just walked into the nom, right? No effort needed to win.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:02 PM (6TB1Z)
Mexigoths?
Sorry, I know what you're going for there, but the name just sounds like a bunch of brown people, wearing black clothes and eyeliner, smoking weed.
Frankly, I'm not that scared.
Posted by: Moron Nation at January 20, 2014 12:03 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:03 PM (m2CN7)
real quick off topic: I know what LIB is, what did that dude mean by LOB?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2014 03:53 PM (n0DEs)
******
Line of Business
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 03:55 PM (RJMhd)
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Oh. I thought it was, Let Others Burn. I'm all for that.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 12:03 PM (ycijm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:03 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:03 PM (8arH0)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (+fNrM)
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 04:02 PM (Gk3SS)
Short shag. Easier to clean like hardwoods yet soft and warm like deep shag.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: John Gruden at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (lg3mB)
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Now THIS guy! THIS GUY knows how to win elections.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: --- at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 20, 2014 12:04 PM (+fNrM)
Posted by: Whiskey_Joe at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (pb1ij)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (hpVGZ)
As I noted during the campaign, Newt Gingrich had an entire American Tourister store full of baggage, but he would have FOUGHT.
And would not have let go unremarked, as Romney did, liberal debate "moderators" shedding all pretense of objectivity and stepping in to make the later debates into two-on-one beatdowns.
Tired of these pleasantly mannered gentleman losers. I want a pushy dickhead street fighter for a change. Probably still won't win but will derive far more satisfaction from losing.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Decaf at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (mfXhH)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 20, 2014 03:59 PM (ecN6u)
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Not sure that even would do it.
911 sure as hell didnt. Oh... it made a little noise all right, just like when you bump a turntable and get that screeeching noise for a half second.... but then the record keeps on playing like nothing ever happened.
To have the effect you want..... somebodies gonna hafta smash all the hi-fi equipment and break all the vinyl.
Hi-fi..... vinyl.... yeah..... its old..... and git off my lawn.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (uVkIH)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (8arH0)
No quit from this end.
We here in Upstate NY ARE making an incremental difference at a basic level.
Hard going, certainly, you have to fight the entrenched good old boy establishment but it is happening. By incremental, I mean on the dog catcher level. Right on up through the school board and town councils.
Not likely to live long enough to see it come to fruition--this shit didn't occur an just a few years.
Consider it to be our version of the long march through the institutions, with one major advantage--the instantaneous communication available.
What is a good idea in Modesto can be implemented in Albany with some simple keystrokes. But it will NOT happen if all we do is moan.
Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2014 12:05 PM (SAMxH)
Nah, the difference is that the Romans pretty much invited the barbarians who would sack them into the country, while we...um...never mind.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (m2CN7)
....still won 24 States.
Posted by: polynikes
Won two more states than Mccain with a net 33 EV gain, and used a billion dollars to do it.
All hail the conquer of Indiana!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 12:06 PM (g1DWB)
Ah, the old "It's just messaging problem" excuse.
Sorry, but no. Government growing larger and more powerful is a matter of evolution- at least until it collapses. It's the way of the world, and all we can do is stem the tide until the inevitable collapse.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 12:07 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Whig at January 20, 2014 12:07 PM (i7KmQ)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 20, 2014 12:08 PM (+fNrM)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 12:08 PM (uVkIH)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:08 PM (8arH0)
And when they give the nomination to Christie or Jeb in '16, it'll be because... what? They out-hustled the competition?
The Republican Party almost always gives their nomination to the frontrunner. It's what they do. It's not a question of whether Romney did or didn't put forth effort. It's about the money men of the establishment, and the state parties that set the agendas for their primaries and caucuses.
That, and the fact that Republican voters tend to behave conservatively (as opposed to having a conservative political philosophy).
Hence, frontrunners win.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 12:08 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:08 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Decaf at January 20, 2014 12:08 PM (mfXhH)
Posted by: eleven at January 20, 2014 12:09 PM (KXm42)
I can tell you what has changed - the computerization of voting.
It take a certain naivete to believe the NSA wouldn't be hacking that.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 12:09 PM (ZkzmI)
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I agree.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:03 PM (DmNpO)
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Not so much that he wasn't in it to win it, but that he (or those around him, more likely) knew what it would take to win and were afraid to do it. The media cowed them into defending instead of attacking, lest they be accused of "racism" for attacking a (half) black President.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:09 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: dirks strewn at January 20, 2014 12:09 PM (QmTtF)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 20, 2014 04:05 PM (hpVGZ)
because "our" side doesn't bother to mount an offensive...of course, when we have the ball we just hand it back cause high moral ground or some stupid shit like that...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:09 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: John Gruden at January 20, 2014 04:00 PM (lg3mB)
Especially when you're down in the polls and won't admit it. More than anything else, that was Romney's problem (yes, I know there were a lot of other ones).
Given Stuart Stevens's and a lot of other people's faulty reading of the polls, they campaigned as though they were slightly ahead and not behind and in need of going on the offensive.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (lg3mB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 04:06 PM (g1DWB)
Like I pointed out previously, York contradicts himself by pointing out that Romney didn't think about a concession speech indicating he thought he had a good chance of winning and assuming Romney didn't want to win because his pessimism about the debates.
Make up your mind York.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: toby928© at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 12:10 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: joncelli at January 20, 2014 12:11 PM (/AYWV)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 12:11 PM (lg3mB)
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (BAEzE)
Romney didn't attack Obama? News to me.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:12 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 12:12 PM (VyRoX)
The comment said that the nom was Romney's, because evil, conspiratorial party bosses. If that was the case, why did he have to work so hard to win it?
The sore losers in the nominating contest will never acknowledge that he won because he was the best candidate. Not a perfect one, but the best.
Ah, but the old "stab in the back" is just so much more satisfying, right?
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:12 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (PYAXX)
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Have you peeked at any of Matt Bracken's writing???
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:13 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:13 PM (RJMhd)
All things being equal ... the edge goes to the dirtier fighter. When things ain't equal, best be prepared to either go for the eyes or take an ass whippin'.
Instead, the GOP shirks from anything resembling a street fight.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 12:13 PM (JbNtM)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:13 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: 2012 Memes at January 20, 2014 12:14 PM (lg3mB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:14 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 12:14 PM (uVkIH)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 12:14 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (m2CN7)
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yeah.... I remember thinking that even Obama thought he'd lost it.... lackluster debate, his body language..... hell ..... he took election day off TO SHOOT FRICKEN HOOPS!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:15 PM (nELVU)
Yep. I think a lot of us assumed Romney was ahead because they were BEHAVING as if they were ahead.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 12:15 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:15 PM (PYAXX)
This post pretty well incapsulates my feeling of November 6, 2012. The tipping point has been reached as far as ALL of the nation is concerned.
There's still areas and regions of freedom-minded people in this country. We just have to have the courage to do what we know needs to be done to remain free.
One of these days, and I hope it's soon, "secession" won't be such a dirty word anymore.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 12:15 PM (ycijm)
I believe we HAVE lost. It's not a question should an uninformed, uneducated DUMBASS vote, but how can we make it easier for them to do so.
That's my explanation for all the uninformed, uneducated Congressmen we have.
Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at January 20, 2014 12:15 PM (+7Usq)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 04:13 PM (RJMhd)
Yeah, I guess they should have questioned their polling regard to a state that just elected a Tea Party Senator and a Republican Governor and a firebrand and popular Republican rep, Col West.
Something did stink in Florida and it wasn't Romney's internal polling.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:16 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:16 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:16 PM (8arH0)
Repubs will win by promising to be better at socialism than Democrats are.
If so, then an American UKIP will rise. Or perhaps a Golden Dawn. That's the dilemma.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:16 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:10 PM (PYAXX)
Matt Bracken has covered it pretty well, too.
We are looking at a dark period but light will be restored.
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:12 PM (VyRoX)
The tea party is the bright spot, but predictably "our" side sees them as a bigger threat than their supposed opponents. If this changes you will be right. I pray that it is so. Meanwhile I do what I can, hope for the best and plan for the worst.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:17 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:17 PM (8arH0)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 12:17 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 20, 2014 12:17 PM (hpVGZ)
This tells me that he wasn't fit to be president. He ignored the prima facia evidence that Obama was a lousy debater and instead stuck with his idée fixe. Thus Romney's views on the country are just as suspect as his views on Obama. Romney can't think clearly.
Every pollster says the 2014 elections are shaping up to be a red wave. Would that be happening if we were now a socialist nation?
Also, all the exit polls in 2012 showed that people voted AGAINST Romney, not for Obama. Voters thought Romney was a "vulture capitalist." His "47 percent" comment sank him. Obama was the first president to be elected with fewer votes than he got the first time around. Romney followed the brilliant Rovian advice of never defending himself.
If Karl Rove were a Democratic agent, what would he do differently?
The worst of Obama hadn't been revealed in 2012, and people thought--in their stupid, uninformed, herd-instinct way--that Romney would be even worse. So they went with the devil they knew. And Obama's race protected him, as it always has.
Obama IS an aberration. He's The First Black President. You should be marveling in gratitude that despite his race and despite the near-total ban on reporting anything negative about him, he's still underwater in terms of his approval.
And every time people write off the US, we change and surprise them.
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
--Mark Twain.
Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 12:17 PM (+rdD2)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 12:18 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:18 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 20, 2014 12:18 PM (pginn)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (PYAXX)
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Yes..... very. Google up "What I saw on the way to the coup" and "When the music stops"
That should spark your creative juices a bit..... excellent reads. It also just may just scare the holy shit out of you too....
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:18 PM (nELVU)
This is the best position we've been in for years. Obama's poll numbers are cratering, Democrats are running scared from their own doing. Good God, they've been desperately going through the Heritage Foundation's garbage for 15 year-old memos to try and pin Obamacare on the GOP. And Obamacare, that is pretty much the only bit of Obama's first term that made it out the womb. Card Check, Carbon Trading, all of those other left wing hopes and dreams went down in flames with Democratic control of both chambers of Congress. We beat them without any real power for God's sake. Within the GOP itself, we have the Chamber of Commerce putting 50 million dollars into Amnesty. That sounds bad, but the fact they feel the need to do anything at all means we are winning. It used to be they just made a few long distance phone calls at the worst. Now they have to spend large sums of money to do what used to be institutional privilege.
Tl; Dr Things are looking up for a change, so I don't get the defeatism. Obama's reelection is turning out to be a pyrrhic victory for the Left. This is not the second coming of Valley Forge people. 2012 may not have been Obama's Waterloo, but it was his Guilford Courthouse. We may not take his scalp, but we can make the Left wish they had never stood by his side.
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 12:18 PM (qJPSp)
Posted by: Phinn at January 20, 2014 12:18 PM (xE7Vp)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:19 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:19 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:19 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 12:20 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:20 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:20 PM (RJMhd)
Are you recommending?
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 04:15 PM (PYAXX)
Yes. Here's a taste.
http://tinyurl.com/9cr8rx6
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:20 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:16 PM (6TB1Z)
You don't want a Golden Dawn Party
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 20, 2014 12:21 PM (WdbF7)
Oh, I think that's highly debatable. That Romney was the best candidate.
I guess it depends out how you define it, but Romney didn't have the best track record. That would essentially have been Perry. Romney wasn't the best off-the-cuff debater, that would be Newt by a mile. He wasn't the most likeable, or have the best platform, or...
A flawed system tossed up a flawed candidate who couldn't beat a terrible Democrat candidate.
All things considered, I would have liked to have seen what Newt could have done in the general.
He might have been a bad President, but heck, obviously not worse than what we have now.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 12:21 PM (BeSEI)
This is one of the stupidest, most brain-dead memes in all the internetz. Romney just walked into the nom, right? No effort needed to win.
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Of course he needed to put in some effort, but we have seen this kind of thing unfold in GOP campaigns before. Bob Dole. John McCain. Now Romney.
That's not to say that they had nothing to offer or were terrible candidates - they weren't. But neither were they anything to get excited about. The average voter (and our voters are very average) sees a bunch of career politicians, the usual Washington insiders.
Perhaps it's just that the GOP left us (conservatives) behind long ago, and we still cling to the hope that they'll come back. I guess the average GOP voter wants guys like McCain, Romney, etc.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:21 PM (BAEzE)
The Heritage Foundation has their Constitution Minute thingy that they air on talk radio, but that's preaching to the choir. Why not a 30 second spot mocking some aspect of big government during a show like The Bachelor? We don't have the luxury of free airtime like the progs do. Buying access is still permitted, so why are we not doing that? I really don't understand the focus on the governmental process to the exclusion of shaping culture.
It really is doable though. Look at the violent swing in opinion on gay marriage in Utah that was highlighted at Hot Air recently. With a serious effort, we could make a 4-5% dent in prog numbers, which buys us time.
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:21 PM (346rt)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 12:21 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:20 PM (DmNpO)
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Agreed. Welcome aboard.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:22 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 12:22 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 20, 2014 12:22 PM (EZNxq)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:23 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:23 PM (DmNpO)
I think the reason for the fear is that Obama is a short-term phenomenon, while the degradation of America's ideals is may not be. I truly hope you are correct. I fear you are not.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:23 PM (6TB1Z)
but youo didn't, because you;re a pussy and so are the Beltway RINOs of the RNC who maneuvered your worthless carcass into the candidtate's slot.
after all, you're rich enough to avoid the pain the rest of us are dealing with, so it was no biggie to you...
FOAD and take Chris Christie with you.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (VyRoX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (8arH0)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (IXrOn)
The man and the moment met at the precisely perfect time. Prior to 2008, a socialist could not have won the White House. In 2008, and thereafter, a socialist could win the White House -- if he was the exact perfect socialist.[/i
We have had nothing but socialists in the WH (and in congress) since the early 1900s. The US became a socialist nation when we entered the "progressive era".
Obama is not a socialist. He is a hardcore anti-American communist. His every action screams that to the high heavens. And he was elected because the FSA came out in droves to vote for him while hardcore conservatives sat at home.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (RJMhd)
>>>Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:23 PM (6TB1Z)
Yep, Obama's not the problem, it's the 150,000,000 people who looked at his first term and went "thumbs up dude".
Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (9qDRl)
Posted by: YIKES! at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (mETGQ)
^^^^THIS!!!^^^^ Add to that, anyone who spouts that old canard about not having anything to worry about if you aren't doing anything wrong deserves to have a jackboot smashing his face forever...the problem is that he drags the rest of us down with him.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:24 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand
Yeah, that was a bit unclear. I was trying to show the poles, not endorsing them.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 12:25 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:25 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:25 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: --- at January 20, 2014 12:25 PM (MMC8r)
The Last Generation of the West and the Thin Strand of Civilization - Victor Davis Hanson.
http://tinyurl.com/nxearv3
Posted by: Existentialist at January 20, 2014 12:25 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:25 PM (346rt)
--Fritz
Posted by: Fritz at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (TKFmG)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (8arH0)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (ZPrif)
I remember thinking that Romney was behaving like a man who knew he was going to win, and Obama was acting like a guy who knew he'd lost.
Anyone else remember it that way? Mitt seemed cheerful and confident. Obama looked sulky and glum.
And then the results came in ... and I almost threw up.
Posted by: Warden at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: Trubador at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (MlrAE)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (VyRoX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:26 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:27 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: YIKES! at January 20, 2014 04:24 PM (mETGQ)
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Well.... wouldn't another "historic" Presidency be just marvelous????
Posted by: Hillary!! at January 20, 2014 12:27 PM (nELVU)
By the way, I was wondering... if the NSA people are so good at catching stuff, how did they miss Snowden?
Posted by: Mallfly at January 20, 2014 03:46 PM (bJm7W)
"The same way they missed Flashbang and Speedbump, the Tsarenev brothers, Al-Walki, the Fort Hood shooter, etc."
Yeah, they were looking where the light was better.
Posted by: Existentialist at January 20, 2014 12:27 PM (1Rgee)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:27 PM (DmNpO)
frontrunner. It's what they do. It's not a question of whether Romney
did or didn't put forth effort. It's about the money men of the
establishment, and the state parties that set the agendas for their
primaries and caucuses.
The comment said that the nom was Romney's, because evil, conspiratorial party bosses. If that was the case, why did he have to work so hard to win it?
The sore losers in the nominating contest will never acknowledge that he won because he was the best candidate. Not a perfect one, but the best.
Ah, but the old "stab in the back" is just so much more satisfying, right?
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I never said the party bosses conspired to do anything - I frankly doubt they are capable of organizing a conspiracy without effing it up. The average GOP voter (and our voters are...well, you know) tends to go with the "next guy in line". They are known quantities, which I guess falls in line with a more conservative approach.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 04:25 PM (6TB1Z)
Oh I see, yeah at least with European elections I know which people are full on national socialist or communists.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (WdbF7)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: Trubador at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (MlrAE)
This "the people wanted real conservative so they voted for Obama" argument always intrigues me.
Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (9qDRl)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: JoeShmoe99 at January 20, 2014 12:28 PM (XsOa7)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (qFpRI)
Posted by: navybrat at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: Less Wonkish More Rogue at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (dvRYt)
Posted by: --- at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (MMC8r)
In a large state, 300,000 is a long jump and 75-100,000 is a squeaker. Romney lost PA, OH, FL, MN & WI within this range.
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Those are the five I was talking about.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: The Unreal Woman at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (ErWSc)
I've become pretty well convinced that we need to stop all this America Is Dead As We Know It stuff.
The last two elections were about an America that was scared shitless by a really really really terrible banking crisis and a super nasty recession that followed. It was about a sense that none of it was within our control, that our economy had been raped by a handful of greedy bankers and run off a cliff by a bunch of amoral Wall Street hooligans. That "this time was different," because it WAS for everyone who did not live through the Great Depression.
The problem Mitt Romney had going into the election was that the economy still sucked but nobody blamed Obama for it. They blamed Bush, or the greedy bankers, or Men Who Look An Awful Lot Like Mitt Romney. Americans very rarely throw out an incumbent President. They liked this one personally, felt like he was a good guy doing his best to fix something that was really fucked up, and decided to give him some more time to fix it.
Romney never made the case that the continuing economic doldrums were Obama's fault, and he never offered a real prescription for going in another direction that would make things better.
Everything else in that election was just noise. And almost none of it translates into elections going forward - except for the percentage of people who still think the economy is bad, and still blame Bush for it.
Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (NYnoe)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 04:26 PM (VyRoX)
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Here's the thing.
Midterms and special elections are where we out perform the LIV's and FSA types.
Presidential elections get the crazies to the polls and the LIV-FSA folks.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (nELVU)
It is not yet a mature political party. It will not be accepted as a mature political party until it is one."
because that path has w*rked so well for the GOP in general...
the Demonrats seem to have no problem winning with extreme candidates, so what are you saying here?
or are you just looking for an acceptable reason to support RINOs?
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 20, 2014 12:29 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 04:18 PM (ZkzmI)
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I'll be watching the election (voting) process very closely in 2014. But I'm afraid that the "vote" has been horribly corrupted to the point of being a non-entity in this nation.
Ever wonder why democrats aren't really changing the way they govern? And I'm not referring to what they're saying, but what they're doing. They're still balls-to-the-wall marxist.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (ycijm)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Happy Givemore at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (N3Al8)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (/FnUH)
Still, I went ahead and voted for Mitt Romney. They were right.
Posted by: jrg at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (61B4w)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Dan at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (COpZ4)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (/FnUH)
Damn ace let it go. I'm not a tea partier but its not that they will not admit that Odonnell was a mistake its that they are angry that after she was the nominee, others who did not support the nomination did everything in their power to make sure she lost.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:30 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 04:09 PM (BAEzE)
Romney didn't attack Obama? News to me.
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After the first debate he was much less aggressive, like he was afraid to keep pressing.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (IXrOn)
And Romney was completely tin-eared on certain populist economic issues that a better campaign would have been after like a duck on a June bug.
For example: GAS PRICES.
If you look back at the long history of postwar Presidential elections, Dr. Gasoline has been amazingly prescient in determining whether an incumbent is retained or ejected. And Dr. Gasoline was giving Obama a huge thumbs-down for two full years before the election.
Couple that to Obama administration flunkies saying absolutely insane shit about how they intended and needed to get America's gas prices up to European levels, that is, eight bucks or so a gallon. The ads would just write themselves.
Except Romney never ran any ads about gas prices. Even though that the first angle of attack most of us would have pounced on.
Because, when you have a personal net worth in the hundreds of millions of dollars, you absolutely do see the world differently than someone with a personal net worth of hundreds of dollars.
The latter person looks at a gas station price board and sees a world of fucking hurt for themselves, with every penny of increase another increment of pain.
Whereas the former person looks at the same prices and sees only a rounding error of no real personal consequence. Mitt wouldn't have felt the smallest dent in his lifestyle if gas HAD gone to $8 a gallon, for crying out loud.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 12:31 PM (VyRoX)
Posted by: ccruse456 at January 20, 2014 12:32 PM (G8jZM)
All voters have access to the same information but some are so lazy, so unmotivated, so willing to allow others to do their thinking for them, that they simply do not care unless you are taking something tangible from them personally.
This isn't an information problem. It isn't even an apathy problem.
It is a give-me-mine problem.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (DmNpO)
I can't argue with that, but the first step in an intervention is educational. Is it at its root a moral problem? Sure. Are people at fault for not educating themselves? Definitely. But we need to work on convincing them that they need to do something about it, because everything else in culture is telling them to surrender their brains to the technocracy.
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:32 PM (346rt)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 12:32 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 12:32 PM (ZshNr)
Everything else in that election was just noise. And almost none of it translates into elections going forward - except for the percentage of people who still think the economy is bad, and still blame Bush for it.
Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 04:29 PM (NYnoe)
Of course he made that case. That the LIV didn't listen or could not understand is the problem or did not believe it.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: YIKES! at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:28 PM (/FnUH)
The beef isn't that everyone thought CoD was such a great candidate. The beef is that once she won the nomination the party didn't back her. In fact, didn't her opponent in the primaries go on to endorse the Dem? Cause THAT is the mark of a "mature" political party...
Yes, the tea party faction has a way to go to be competitive, no argument there.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Lethbridge at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (iVxK0)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (RJMhd)
The Party Bosses are the collective individual State heads that attend the GOP meetup before the primaries to determine the rules and the schedule. And BTW, the 2016 one has already occurred and it is just as fucked up[ as 2008 and 2012.
As long as we have the current Republican leadership we will never get a conservative candidate. Hell, if they get their way we will not have any in congress either.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (T2V/1)
This is the best position we've been in for years.
Actually, I agree--at least if by "years," you mean since 2006. I don't think it's a stretch to think we'll win the next Presidential election. It's also conceivable we'll win the Senate in 2014, though holding it in 2016 will be tougher.
What I'm more worried about is what we get out of it even if our side gets the Presidency and Congress back. I defended Boehner for a long time, but abandoning the sequester was really a punch to the stomach. Add to that the rumors on pulling back from Obamacare's repeal, and what you wind up with are a lot of people in power on our side who don't seem even to be pretending they'll fight on major issues.
I'll go further. There was a time when the idea of saying "I support Ron Paul's son for President" would have made me want to puke before I could have finish the sentence. I've been starting to get used to the idea of actually supporting Rand, though, for the sole reason that 1.) few other high profile Republicans are even trying to act like they care about spending right now and 2.) I wouldn't expect him to bail on Obamacare's repeal.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 12:33 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: [/i]KG at January 20, 2014 12:34 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: ace
The same could be said of the professional GOP.
Posted by: wew [/i] [/b] at January 20, 2014 12:34 PM (cxs6V)
Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 12:34 PM (Q6HBD)
Really? You believe people don't know O'Donnell was a mistake? What they won't admit to, and perhaps this is where you are having a hard time understanding, is that the effort wasn't worth it.
It's one thing to look at the political landscape, see a RINO (I can't remember his name now) running in a race, then deciding to vote for O'Donnell instead. It's another to say "she might turn out to be a flake, so let's stick with the safe RINO."
I think Tea Partiers are much more willing to risk the possibility their candidate will turn out to be a flake then they are to settle in on a RINO, and not contest his or her "safe" seat.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 12:34 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:34 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 20, 2014 12:35 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (Q6HBD)
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Yes .... It's still there..... here ya go...
http://tinyurl.com/9cr8rx6
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:35 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 20, 2014 12:35 PM (WdbF7)
We have high tech, but it's for gadgetry or to enable the elite to control the serfs. We're not even thinking of going to the moon.
Symbolism over substance, as "the first gay black woman whatever is HISTORIC!!!" and everything that happened more than 2 days ago is HISTORIC
The culture is beyond repair, as people are drawn to trashy reality tv that makes instant celebrities out of talentless sociopaths. Hollywood remakes or reboots movies originally made by people far more talented than they. Pop musicians who make millions not by musical talent but how outrageous and filthy they can act in public.
Take a look at footage of Woodstock or Altamont and you realize that those flailing idiots are now our "elite" and know that it's been a long time coming
Posted by: kbdabear at January 20, 2014 12:35 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 12:35 PM (P6QsQ)
260 They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that the rich would get richer, and the economy would not improve. They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that my health insurance premiums would skyrocket, and millions would lose their health coverage. They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney that race relations would be turned back 50 years. They told me that if I voted for Mitt Romney our foreign policy would be a disaster.
Still, I went ahead and voted for Mitt Romney. They were right.
Posted by: redc1c4 at January 20, 2014 12:36 PM (q+fqH)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 12:36 PM (E+uky)
Shrug right back Ace.
Remember, the GOP doesn't ride a wave of Jack Shit without the Tea Party. But if you want a permanent Minority Party ... go right ahead.
It really does suit me just fine. I'm squarely on Team LiB.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 20, 2014 12:36 PM (JbNtM)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:36 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:36 PM (IXrOn)
Tl;Dr, we don't have to be good, simply better
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 12:37 PM (qJPSp)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 20, 2014 12:37 PM (A1Dcl)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:33 PM (/FnUH)
Your smart ass response does not erase the fact that Castle and his establishment state Republicans did everything they could to make her lose. Its not a conspiracy theory if its a fact.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:37 PM (m2CN7)
The problem with CO's opponent wasn't that he was a RINO. He was a DIABLO SOB. As I told Ace when that primary was going and the big brewha started. We had already lost with those two candidates. It didn't matter who won.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 20, 2014 12:37 PM (T2V/1)
The secret to knowing the destination of a anything is simply observing the object's trajectory, Soothsayer explained.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (gYIst)
Posted by: red speck at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (9/Ug/)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: obamuh at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (rNS5g)
Teach your children. Strengthen your families. Love your neighbors. Love God.
The rest will follow.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)
This x eleventy
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (346rt)
Obamacide was strictly a Democratic deal in the Senate.
One Republican in the House broke ranks on it, made it technically "bipartisan", and ruined any claim to it being wholly a Democratic fiasco: Cao. Who was in an indefensible seat in a blue district that he was pretty much certain to lose the next cycle, and did.
Shitty management by the House GOP leadership, who should have been in there doing everything they could to get that guy on-side.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:38 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 12:39 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at January 20, 2014 12:39 PM (A1Dcl)
Newt was the Ur-Boehner. Knowing that we were going to lose, I actually would have supported him in order to hit the other side as much as possible while went down in flames--but he put our side on the path to being comfortable with big government after winning everything. For that matter, he also jeopardized our entire side for his own dick. He should never be allowed in a leadership position again.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 12:39 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (/FnUH)
What does that have to do with having your own state party and primary opponent work against you in the general?
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:39 PM (m2CN7)
But now is not the time contemplate belly buttons, dammit!
We know our enemy. We know them so well we should be able to predict their every move.
Enough of this reactionary outragey whining and hindsight, already. Time now for offense.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 12:40 PM (gYIst)
#269 - torquewrench -
SO right!!!! This is my BIG rant right now to anyone who will listen. Why the fuck are we not talking about gas and grocery prices?? I go absolutely ballistic now every tinme I go grocery shopping. A simple "we will get gas prices back down to under $2 a gallon where they were when Obama became President" would have been the BEST thing to run on. It still is.
We're getting sucked into a stupid fight picked by Obama over the "gestural liberalism" of minimum wage increases and extended unemployment, when the REAL thing that killing the middle class is THE RISING PRICES OF EVERYTHING. And we're letting Obama get away with a deliberate jacking up of energy prices to satisfy his Loony Left enviro-nut base. If you're a blue collar guy already making $20 an hour, a minimum wage increase doesn't mean shit for you. But gas going back to $2 a gallon would mean a LOT to you. Hamburger at $2 a pound instead of $4 a pound would mean a lot.
We are going to lose another election badly if we think millions of Americans just want to hear lofty paeans to the Constitution and individual rights and doing something about the national debt. We have to have a real simple agenda - put money in people's pockets. That wins, every time.
Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 12:40 PM (NYnoe)
Posted by: ace
............
It's not a party.. never will be. They are a small faction of the GOP, and that grudgingly.
The Tea Party wants sole ownership of the Republican Party. And so the Establishment crowd like Rove.. well, fuck 'em both. That's not how it works.
Come to an agreement somewhere in the middle.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 12:40 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 12:41 PM (36Rjy)
I also recommend Glen Tate's 299 Days series. It's expensive, but worth it IMO. He's an attorney in Washington State, and is (or was) involved in the state government there. He used that experience as the basis the gov characters in the story.
Posted by: Country Singer at January 20, 2014 12:41 PM (CWquH)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:41 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:38 PM (/FnUH)
So that justifies your own party and primary opponent in making every effort to make sure you lose? You agree with that type of effort?
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:41 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
Yeah, because everyone knows half of a bridge is better than a whole bridge.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (cxs6V)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (0HooB)
"We" haven't changed as a country overnight. Obama's high-tech campaign managed to turn out record numbers of racist blacks (sorry for the redundancy) and starry-eyed young voters twice in a row. They voted for the image of Obama, not his policies or ideology. Heck, a plurality of his voters opposed ObamaCare!
If "we" are guilty of a failure, it is the 20+ year effort to make it effortless to register and vote, to cajole every disinterested citizen, no matter how uninformed about the issues and candidates they might be, into believing they had a DUTY to vote nonetheless. Well, it was always just a stupid idea designed to help Democrats, who failed policies could never attract enough support among voters who paid attention.
Well, you "rocked the vote," all right, Zippy. Postcard registration, early voting, mail voting . . . let's make it as easy as possible for a lazy parasite who doesn't care to affect our national future, right?
As ye sow, so shall ye reap!
Posted by: Adjoran at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (473jB)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 04:40 PM (f9c2L)
Agreements in the middle are for RINOs.
Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (9qDRl)
Another moderate.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 12:42 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: brak at January 20, 2014 12:43 PM (iEoiA)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:43 PM (/FnUH)
Are we talking about fairness in elections?
2006 Dem plant Mark Foley
2006 Geo. Allen msm hyperbole victim maccaca moment
2008 Al Franken found votes in trunk of car..
2010 Lisa Murkowski blantant end around rip off win
2012 Allen West closed voting officials hq early and found uncounted votes hmmmm
Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 12:43 PM (N3Al8)
Bob Dole understands that the establishment RINO money are in a panic over Chris Christie imploding with Fat And Furious. Bob Dole saw that Christie was the one they intended to line up behind. Now Bob Dole hears that the establishment are talking about running Romney again in 2016, since Christie is off the table.
But Bob Dole wants you to know that he's still available if Mitt turns it down. Bob Dole is tan, rested and ready. Bob Dole proudly upheld the establishment RINO bloc's colors on a national ticket before, and Bob Dole is prepared to do it again. I'm Bob Dole and I approve this message.
Posted by: Bob Dole at January 20, 2014 12:43 PM (gqT4g)
It is a give-me-mine problem.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 04:27 PM (DmNpO)
It's been said that being a liberal is the easiest decision you can make because it relieves you of the hard work it takes to look beyond the "conventional wisdom".
Informing yourself is time consuming, it's work, and it's not really a lot of fun. It's so much easier to join the prevailing mob, scream "HATER" with the rest of the crowd, know that you're on the same side as the Anointed Beautiful People than it is to take a contrarian tack.
Then, when you try to inform people on Twitter or Facebook on how many ways they're full of shit, they dig in an scream HATER or RACIST or HOMOPHOBE .You then realize that you'd have far more success informing your dog or cat than your average fellow American
Posted by: kbdabear at January 20, 2014 12:44 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:34 PM (/FnUH)
Which adroitly avoids addressing the main point I was making, which is that her own party wouldn't back her play once she had won the nomination and her primary opponent, in as large a case of dickery as there has ever been, actively endorsed her Democratic opponent rather than back his own party's candidate.
I'm getting better at this though, I almost followed you down that rabbit hole. Well done.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:44 PM (yh0zB)
Absolutely true. Our political ads are like reading fine print legalese, but the Dems' ads all have a narrative. Look at Mitt Romney. The guy gave my wife cancer. Clearly he's evil, so you should just vote for Obama.
Why are we not telling people a story? Who are these idiot Republican ad-makers, and why do they not understand basic human psychology? Are they a bunch of CPA's or something?
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:44 PM (346rt)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (/FnUH)
Stop stabbing and I'll stop complaining.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:44 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 20, 2014 12:45 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:45 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 04:32 PM (346rt)
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First off, it's not technocracy that the majority of voters are surrenderng to. It's marxism/fascism straight up. It's how many of them have been taught for, at least two generations. That's hard to change. I'm thinking it'll never change as long as these generations are alive.
The FSA is strong. I really don't see convincing them to give that up as long as they're being promised free shit.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 12:45 PM (ycijm)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:45 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (HeCg1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (UfYXk)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: CDR M at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (LsJl8)
Well, apparently Ace is A-ok with having that sort of fellow contesting for a seat in states with 60% Democrat voters.
I guess that's what it all boils down to. Do you want a bunch of Republican wins, or do you want to have conservative candidates?
Lots of people favor the former. And will insult anyone would suggest the latter is preferable.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 12:46 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Cornfed at January 20, 2014 12:47 PM (Hoy9u)
You know, if Mike Castle was such a cinch to win, why didn't he run for Senator in any of the elections before 2010? Or after. No one's stopping him.
I mean, if he's a lock, why not?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 20, 2014 12:47 PM (kdS6q)
Point
Laugh
Turn away
At some point sell this huge old house and find a little house in the country. That's all, Folks....
Posted by: backhoe at January 20, 2014 12:47 PM (ULH4o)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 12:47 PM (E+uky)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (PYAXX)
I do not like McConnell but I do kind of like that he's fighting like a Dem.
I can't believe you're falling for it!
If McConnell is so feisty and upset at being called a Nazi, why doesn't he raise holy hell about it? Why does Mitch save his fury for fundraising emails?
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (gYIst)
And I suspect in another 6 months he will be instantly 'rehabilitated" just like Hillary. And it will be a Hillary/Fat Man contest. We will then get 8 years of Billary back in the WH.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew
...........
WTF do you think politics is?
In a more genteel description it is scratching each others back.. you get some.. I get some..
But it's the same thing.
Sticking to principles that force you to lose every time is just plain stupid. The other guy has principles too! And he thinks he's as right as you think you are.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (f9c2L)
Bob Dole understands that the establishment RINO money are in a panic over Chris Christie imploding with Fat And Furious. Bob Dole saw that Christie was the one they intended to line up behind. Now Bob Dole hears that the establishment are talking about running Romney again in 2016, since Christie is off the table.
But Bob Dole wants you to know that he's still available if Mitt turns it down. Bob Dole is tan, rested and ready. Bob Dole proudly upheld the establishment RINO bloc's colors on a national ticket before, and Bob Dole is prepared to do it again. I'm Bob Dole and I approve this message.
Posted by: Bob Dole at January 20, 2014 04:43 PM (gqT4g)
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There's not enough Viagra in the world to get me excited about another Bob Dole campaign.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (ZshNr)
I'm sorry I tricked you into picking an obvious loser for a candidate, and then locked you into this Eternal Cycle of dreaming up conspiracy theories upon which you can blame your error.
I'm sorry that somehow I gave you the character that would allow you to agree that having your Republican primary opponent endorse your democrat opponent was no big deal. And quit Judging people !!!
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:48 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 12:49 PM (8arH0)
No. Sorry. Not when they're an absolutely certifiable nut case.
Imagine the horrible optics of O'Donnell in the Senate for six years, regularly ranting about her insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence.
I suppose the GOP could change its animal mascot from an elephant to Pinky And The Brain.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 20, 2014 12:49 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 12:49 PM (36Rjy)
That's the easy way out. There was more to it.
The polls on average were right. If I remember correctly, you could have merely checked the RCP averages on election day and guessed 49 states correctly. The 50th, Florida, that Nate Silver got right was one he changed his opinion on at the last minute due to a poll that might actually have been faulty.
A lot of people on our side, including the Stu Stevens, including the commenters here, including Michael Barone (who's probably forgotten more about politics than 99% of people will ever know), were discounting them because they showed a larger sampling of Democrats than was possible.
The lesson: Always bet on the polls until proven otherwise. Yes, they will occasionally be wrong and have been in the past. However, that's the way to bet.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 12:49 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:49 PM (RJMhd)
Republicans are, as usual, gonna find Conservatism a few months before the election.
The RNC might even produce a few scathing ads...
for their Youtube channel.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (gYIst)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (P6QsQ)
#341 Yep, and it looks more and more like they are gonna make the same mistake with Obamacare. Muddle the message with fine print and weasel words because they are too scared of "overpromising." Democrats NEVER worry about that. They play to win and worry about the promises later.
Who cares how hard it will be to actually repeal the damn thing? It sucks, it's jacking up health insurance prices for the middle class, it's causing companies to not hire and shed jobs, and the Democrats OWN it. "There has to be a better way." If you can't say that in 30 seconds, you need to find another career.
Posted by: rockmom at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (NYnoe)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 03:44 PM (PYAXX)
What if there is nothing left but tumor?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (m2Izr)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (PYAXX)
Hell, if he started swinging and playing for blood maybe he would have fucking won. Wonder if he was ever allowed by his handlers to even think such thoughts before he lost?
Posted by: Jaws at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (Rbtz3)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 12:50 PM (E+uky)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 20, 2014 12:51 PM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 12:51 PM (RJMhd)
Poem for the New Year
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
With every power for good to stay and guide me,
comforted and inspired beyond all fear,
I'll live these days with you in thought beside me,
and pass, with you, into the coming year.
The old year still torments our hearts, unhastening;
the long days of our sorrow still endure;
Father, grant to the souls thou hast been chastening
that thou hast promised, the healing and the cure.
Should it be ours to drain the cup of grieving
even to the dregs of pain, at thy command,
we will not falter, thankfully receiving
all that is given by thy loving hand.
But should it be thy will once more to release us
to life's enjoyment and its good sunshine,
that which we've learned from sorrow shall increase us,
and all our life be dedicate as thine.
Today, let candles shed their radiant greeting;
lo, on our darkness are they not thy light
leading us, haply, to our longed-for meeting? -
Thou canst illumine even our darkest night.
When now the silence deepens for our hearkening,
grant we may hear thy children's voices raise
from all the unseen world around us darkening
their universal paean, in thy praise.
While all the powers of good aid and attend us,
boldly we'll face the future, come what may.
At even and at morn God will befriend us,
and oh, most surely on each newborn day!
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:51 PM (346rt)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 20, 2014 12:51 PM (wVAX5)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:42 PM (/FnUH)
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You make a point Ace.... and a fair one....
but.... if I may.... allow me the indulgence of pointing to a few crazies from the dark side..... Hank Johnson, Sheila Jackson Lee, Allan Grayson.
The difference between ODonnel, Akin etc on these clowns????
Party support. THEY circle the wagons.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 12:51 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:52 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: jwest at January 20, 2014 12:52 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Slapnutz at January 20, 2014 12:53 PM (vVSAz)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 12:54 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 12:54 PM (P6QsQ)
Yeah, because Mitch McConnell is running scared and I'll tell you why.
McConnell isn't worried about losing the primary, he's worried about the general election. He's worried, rightfully so, that the base won't turn out for him, especially if the D's run a moderate candidate.
So Mitch is stroking the base and feeding them red meat. His email is an insult to your intelligence.
*KY is red, but they elect plenty of D's, even statewide.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 12:54 PM (gYIst)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 20, 2014 12:55 PM (0HooB)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 12:55 PM (qFpRI)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:55 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
Just the tip. We promise.
Posted by: Your betters in the GOP [/i] [/b] at January 20, 2014 12:55 PM (cxs6V)
And I'll be straight up: I want McConnell to lose. As long as McConnell is minority leader, the R's will NEVER win the Senate.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 12:55 PM (gYIst)
Well, apparently Ace is A-ok with having that sort of fellow contesting for a seat in states with 60% Democrat voters.
I guess that's what it all boils down to. Do you want a bunch of Republican wins, or do you want to have conservative candidates?
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That's my take as well. When all is said and done, I am not voting to see a party win an election, I am voting to try and have my political desires met. I have no need to vote for a republican who doesn't plan to vote the way I would the majority of the time.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 20, 2014 12:55 PM (ZkzmI)
Not a whole lot we can do at this point, but we won't be shocked when the "unexpected" happens
In history, the people who are shocked are the ones that didn't really know what was going on
Posted by: kbdabear at January 20, 2014 12:56 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 12:56 PM (ZshNr)
No. Sorry. Not when they're an absolutely certifiable nut case.
Imagine the horrible optics of O'Donnell in the Senate for six years, regularly ranting about her insane conspiracy theories, e.g., how scientists are now producing laboratory mice with human level intelligence.
I suppose the GOP could change its animal mascot from an elephant to Pinky And The Brain.
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This is where having the media in the tank for the Dems really hurts us. We couldn't get a Christine O'Donnell elected (not that we should have - she was nuts) because the media will run "crazy COD" stories 24/7. The left can run Sheila Jackson Lee, Hank Johnson, Debbie Whatshername Shultz, Tarantula Face, etc with nary a discouraging word from the media.
The GOP is thus forced to field the "perfect" candidate, an animal that has never existed on this Earth and isn't likely to spring into existence any time soon.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 12:56 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: Jeffrey Pelt at January 20, 2014 12:56 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 20, 2014 12:56 PM (E+uky)
Right now the population is about 320 million. How many of that seventy-million person difference voted for Romney?
Posted by: Matt at January 20, 2014 12:56 PM (XdW+k)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 04:54 PM (gYIst)
So giving the base red meat is evidence that he's insulting you, while refraining from giving the base red meat is evidence that he's a cocktail circuit milquetoast RINO pussy. So what can the guy do?
Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 12:57 PM (9qDRl)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 12:57 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 04:50 PM (P6QsQ)
Ace can't quit her, she's on his miiiiinnnd.
Posted by: [/i]KG at January 20, 2014 12:57 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 12:57 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:58 PM (DmNpO)
The other guy has principles too! And he thinks he's as right as you think you are.
No, he doesn't, unless by "right" you mean more ruthless, which is what he knows he is. Why? He couldn't care less.
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 20, 2014 12:58 PM (7UMow)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 12:58 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 12:58 PM (pK8nF)
Mitt Romney: Let It Burn
Ace :
There are times when I would like to kick you square in the balls and spit in you face while you are down.
Then, there are time that you make me laugh my ass off and go through my couch cushions to see if I can send you any dinero.
Excuse me while I look through the cushions.
Posted by: FITP at January 20, 2014 12:58 PM (X5056)
That was written from a concentration camp cell just a couple of weeks before he was executed. Keep the faith.
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 12:58 PM (346rt)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 12:59 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Decaf at January 20, 2014 12:59 PM (mfXhH)
Aaaaaaaaaaand, there it is.
Let it go, Ace. It'll be good for your soul (and yes, you have a soul).
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 12:59 PM (BeSEI)
A lot of people on our side, including the Stu Stevens, including the commenters here, including Michael Barone (who's probably forgotten more about politics than 99% of people will ever know), were discounting them because they showed a larger sampling of Democrats than was possible.
The lesson: Always bet on the polls until proven otherwise. Yes, they will occasionally be wrong and have been in the past. However, that's the way to bet.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 04:49 PM (yC+hP)
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A person that I will listen to because he went contrary to everyone's opinion, even his boss when it came to predicting the winner.
Stu Regier (sp?) of the Glenn Beck show the day before the election predicted that the SCOAMT would win. I hated him for it, but he was right. I'll listen next time.
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 12:59 PM (ycijm)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 12:59 PM (qFpRI)
Posted by: John McCain at January 20, 2014 01:00 PM (i6/+j)
Posted by: Frank Sinatra at January 20, 2014 01:01 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:01 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:01 PM (RJMhd)
It is obviously still the case that within the Tea Party the kinda-stupid machismo of claiming "We're never, ever wrong, not ever, not even once!" ethos still prevails.
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:52 PM (/FnUH)
I'd say that's not obviousl at all, unless you really are in contact with all the, I don't even know how many, tea party groups out there. That's just your pre-judged perception.
Unlike you, they do move on, you know.
Posted by: [/i]KG at January 20, 2014 01:01 PM (p7BzH)
Posted by: Mitt Rorschach at January 20, 2014 01:02 PM (rIk1N)
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 04:59 PM (ycijm)
Pollsters and pundits are like fortune tellers. People pay attention when they are proven right but the times when they were wrong are a distant memory.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 01:02 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Black Orchid at January 20, 2014 01:02 PM (EZNxq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 01:02 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:02 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (dOElM)
Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (N3Al8)
When in danger or in doubt
Run in circles, scream and shout.
Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (+rdD2)
Sorry, I was out for a bit.
To answer your question, I'm not sure there's really a difference.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (ZPrif)
We're talking about a difference of hundreds of thousands of votes across multiple states and multiple polls. Don't you think evidence would have come out about it by now? We thought Dems were ridiculous for thinking voter fraud occurred on a much less massive scale in 2004.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 01:03 PM (yC+hP)
"You're in a safe place Ace. Point to where the Tea Party touched you."
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fuck
coffee out the nose......
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 01:04 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:04 PM (xSegX)
You'd never know that from the way they vote.
Posted by: HR at January 20, 2014 01:04 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 01:05 PM (3ky+E)
Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2014 01:05 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:05 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 20, 2014 01:05 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:05 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:03 PM (yC+hP)
accept we have indictments and convictions in multiple states.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (N3Al8)
See Lugar, Dick, aka "Obama's favorite Republican Senator."
Posted by: HR at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (/FnUH)
It's not like Romney was the Republican presidential candidate or anything and in a position to do something about this. You know, like fight fiercely and valorously for America.
What a pathetic dishrag -- the worst excuse for a nominee in my lifetime. But in another sense, he was perfect: the perfect tribune of a decadent and attenuated political party whose collapse can't come soon enough.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (s/yC1)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: Skylined Caribou at January 20, 2014 01:06 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (m2CN7)
Cite please.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (ZshNr)
In light of all this, I think we should stop thinking of ourselves as conservatives. In case you haven't noticed, there's precious little left to conserve and what's left--the culture, the once great institutions, the federal government--belongs to the Left, and it's all been twisted and warped and perverted. So no, we're not conservatives. What we should be are American revolutionaries bravely facing down The Establishment and opposing The Man at every turn. That's what the Founders did. That's what we can do if we can find the balls for it.
All of this defeatism in the air has the effect of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Buck the fuck up.
Posted by: troyriser at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (O66NZ)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 04:31 PM (/FnUH)
Let a thousand Strawmen bloom, I see.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (RJMhd)
"Ninja, please." Backatcha.
Posted by: baldilocks
No, just equestrians.
Posted by: pep at January 20, 2014 01:07 PM (6TB1Z)
The Problem Chowderhead who cleaned up the Republican corruption in her state?
I seem to recall you were pretty hot on a guy who flamed out in months. All by himself. He didn't even need the entire global media establishment to paint him as an idiot over issues that didn't even exist.
Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 01:08 PM (+rdD2)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 20, 2014 01:08 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: SH at January 20, 2014 05:05 PM (3ky+E)
That's what I said in my first post but the failure to recognize the betrayal by Castle and the rest of the GOP establishment is my sticking point. Its known as a conspiracy theory to ace.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 01:08 PM (m2CN7)
I'm sorry, but for God's sake, this statement (and another like it earlier) demonstrates a complete lack of sophistication.
Any idiot can win in a DISTRICT with a huge supermajority for your party. The party pick wins the seat. That simple.
Statewide contests like Senate races are different.
Yeah, Christine O'Donnell could have won in a R+10 *District* featuring a large proportion of Evangelicals. But not in a STATEWIDE race in a D+10 state, for crying out loud.
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And I agree - I phrased my argument badly. What I meant is that Dem control of the media puts Republicans at a distinct disadvantage (in a statewide race), even before you consider the candidates involved. It means that you can either 1) nominate someone that represents the political views of the constituency, or 2) nominate someone that can win. #1 is how you run O'Donnell in a Dem-majority state. #2 is how you get Chris Cristie. This is an old debate around here, and not one that is likely to be hashed out anytime soon.
In a statewide race, unless your party is a majority or very close to one, you need to start leaning towards #2 or you stand little chance of winning. Christine O'Donnell was a mistake - she was a "not GOP-establishment" candidate in a state that is solidly Democrat. A "perfect" Republican could maybe have won, but O'Donnell wasn't that candidate.
Posted by: CoderInCrisis at January 20, 2014 01:08 PM (BAEzE)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 20, 2014 01:08 PM (pginn)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (DmNpO)
****Breaking****
A and E is now cancelling Duck Dynasty and replacing it with a new reality show about life in the White House. The show is called Duck Responsibility
****End of Breaking News****
Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (qFpRI)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: CAC at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (8arH0)
Posted by: Rex Ryan at January 20, 2014 01:09 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 01:10 PM (uVkIH)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:10 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (ZPrif)
I am seeing her political career in an entirely new light now. Personally I think she took herself too seriously. The whole witch thing was just a joke in most people's mind. I think the people of Delaware were more put off that she treated it as a serious issue, and therefore showed poor judgement and priorities, than the allegation itself. In hindsight, she should of aired an ad that had herself dressed in stereotypical witch attire, "stirring" a cartoon cauldron, THEN saying "I am not a witch. And if you say otherwise I'll turn you into a newt." Basically, had fun with it while also being "in" on the joke. It's hard to come across as a crazed fundamentalist when you're willing to joke about being a top tier pagan. Also, if see avoided the "Masturbation Police" kerfluffle. And didn't act like she was the Sword of God Himself.
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (qJPSp)
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Three reasons actually.
1. Too southern.
2. Too White
3. Too..... too..... ummmm....... too...... It'll come to me in a moment.....
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:07 PM (yC+hP)
www.google.com
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:10 PM (m2CN7)[i/]
Spare me. Do your own research. You made the claim.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:11 PM (DmNpO)
The two biggest leftist memes that even conservatives believe.
1. The Iraq war was an unmitigated disaster.
2. Palin is an idiot.
And the guy we ran for president in 2012 believed that Obama was a great orator and incredible debater.
I marvel at how eager people are to absorb others' opinions. It's terrifying.
Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at January 20, 2014 01:12 PM (+rdD2)
Mitt "Adlai Stevenson" Romney.
Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (P/gm7)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (/FnUH)
Nope, nothing in the couch cushions.
Must be ball kicking time.
Romney was an "oh so electable" fraud.
Posted by: FITP at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (X5056)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (nzKvP)
Obey the law publicly, even if the democong/statist trash doesnt
Think outside the box, even if the term is cliched
Organize locally with trusted communications, coordinate nationally - not publicy
Get off your ass and learn how to use TOR, anonymous wifi, etc etc
Cash is king
Undertsand how you are monitored, and how to operate outside that.
Study, know who your enemy is
Finally, I'm not advocating anything illegal here, think about how things will turn out if push comes to shove and take heart
Posted by: just passin by at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (A9KzJ)
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 20, 2014 01:13 PM (ZzGK+)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 01:14 PM (nzKvP)
A case could be made that this is exactly the type of race where, if you know the Dems outnumber you badly, you find a conservative who is willing to run, even though he or she is almost always going to lose, and you pound the Dems on every issue you can think of, to make the conservative case.
If you decide you want to run RINOs in these races, then sure. You might win some of them, but to what end? Right now you have 45 Rs in the Senate, and on any given issue they are, as a body, unable to exert ANY sort of power.
Why? RINOs.
I don't see how having another one of them makes any difference.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 20, 2014 01:14 PM (BeSEI)
Posted by: Lauren at January 20, 2014 01:14 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 01:14 PM (uVkIH)
>> 491. Mitt "Adlai Stevenson" Romney.
No. Romney makes Adlai Stevenson look like Teddy Roosevelt.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 20, 2014 01:15 PM (s/yC1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:14 PM (nzKvP)
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Which Coumo??
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 01:15 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 20, 2014 01:15 PM (346rt)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:02 PM (m2CN7)
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Let's just say I'm going to be more suspicious of polls more than I have been. And that's a lot. I know how I will vote and will try to convince others to vote like me. Otherwise, the polls can go to hell. In the vast scheme of things, I don't think very many elections will be going toward the conservative end of the equation.
Someone mentioned the 47%ers upthread. That was in 2012 or earlier. I think it's gone beyond 50% now. And that doesn't bode well for people encouraging the populace to vote for them so they'll be able to get a job and "work".
Posted by: Soona at January 20, 2014 01:15 PM (ycijm)
The mythical (nobody seems able to define it) establishment does not have infinite resources and influence. Why waste those resources doubling down on somebody else's mistake?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 01:16 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 01:16 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 01:16 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:16 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (yC+hP)
How hard is it for you to google ' democrat convicted of voter irregularities' instead of me wasting my time posting tiny.urls on news items which are as common as the weather report.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 01:17 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at January 20, 2014 01:17 PM (G7Yr9)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:17 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 20, 2014 01:17 PM (uVkIH)
Our focus should be on 2014, not 2010.
Do any of you remember how the D's won big in 2006? They got people to the polls for one reason: Stop Bush. Voters went to the polls for a purpose: to give control of Congress to Democrats.
Democrats ran on, get this, being fiscally responsible! And torture!
The torture issue was pure political genius. No American really cared about torturing or waterboarding terror suspects, but the Democrats created an issue that the stupid Republicans would trip over themselves to run away from.
Anyway, the reason the result of the '14 elections will the same as the '12 elections, i.e., status quo, is because R's aren't giving voters a reason for Change.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 01:18 PM (gYIst)
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:17 PM (m2CN7)
Dude, it's not my job to back up your arguments. If it's easy, you can do it.
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 01:18 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:18 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 20, 2014 05:16 PM (SY2Kh)
They wasted their time endorsing the Democrat.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 01:18 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (DmNpO)
she just got married, preggers?
Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 01:18 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 20, 2014 01:19 PM (XO6WW)
Oh, Sherman is now claiming racism on twitter and cloaking himself in MLK. Sweet.
No death threats, yet?
Soon, then.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (gYIst)
Posted by: Paul at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (9qDRl)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (Lp6I1)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (9Bdcz)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 05:11 PM (DmNpO)
Whatever it is, its working.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 20, 2014 01:20 PM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:21 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 20, 2014 01:21 PM (nzKvP)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:21 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 20, 2014 01:21 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:21 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 20, 2014 01:21 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:22 PM (bb5+k)
Exactly! Democrats coming across as hapless imbeciles who sell a bill of goods to the public and never deliver. That is also what's happening now. That is why we are on the cusp of our biggest chance yet to take the country in a more liberty friendly direction.
Posted by: Captain_Cookie at January 20, 2014 01:22 PM (qJPSp)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 20, 2014 05:20 PM (nzKvP)
She did, AT
Posted by: The Obvious Sock at January 20, 2014 01:22 PM (W6iIX)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:23 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 01:23 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (yC+hP)
DUDE its not that its easy, its the freaking news. I'm not making an argument , I'm relaying news. If you don't watch the news , then I'm not going to repeat it for you.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 01:23 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2014 01:24 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:24 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Kirk at January 20, 2014 01:24 PM (GBnWt)
Posted by: Skylined Caribou at January 20, 2014 05:06 PM (z64Z0)
Yeah SP cashed in for sure but at least she did it honestly and is beholden to no one. I read a quote from her two days ago stating how it would be great to have two women run for Pres in 16' . I like her killer instinct she goes for the jugular. She was gloating out loud about Katie Couric's shows being canceled and her dismal failure! I love it!!!
Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 01:24 PM (N3Al8)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 05:18 PM (bb5+k)
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I dont think that ballot boxes were stuffed. Let me explain.
I remember some DNC pukes bragging about their turnout the day after Romney lost. "We knew who our supporters were, where they live, what their hot button were, and how to get them to the polls".
All this "meta-data" that's getting collected??? Emails, txt mssgs, calls, browser histories. Ever wonder where the DNC got their voter data from????
All that data.... yet we couldnt stop the Speed Bump Brothers.... even AFTER the Russians tip us off face to face???
Posted by: fixerupper at January 20, 2014 01:25 PM (nELVU)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 20, 2014 01:27 PM (iB0Q2)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:27 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (JBggj)
People of the future? If you don't learn from your mistakes you are doomed to repeat them..
Posted by: Regular Guy at January 20, 2014 01:27 PM (N3Al8)
Posted by: Chilling the most at January 20, 2014 01:27 PM (gxtMZ)
Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 20, 2014 01:29 PM (UfYXk)
Q: Is the glass half empty or half full?
A: Are you going to be drinking or are will you be pouring?
Posted by: Speller at January 20, 2014 01:29 PM (J74Py)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:30 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:30 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 01:30 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: alexthechick - Skittle fueled Godzillette at January 20, 2014 03:58 PM (Gk3SS)
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I think that alex has hit the nail on the head. That comment will get posted on my cubicle wall at work. At least until I get sent for reeducation for my doubleplus ungood thoughts.
Posted by: Physics Geek at January 20, 2014 01:30 PM (llWHs)
In Republican states? Yes, yes it is.
DUDE its not that its easy, its the freaking news. I'm not making an argument , I'm relaying news. If you don't watch the news , then I'm not going to repeat it for you.
Posted by: polynikes at January 20, 2014 05:23 PM (m2CN7)
You're making an argument and offering no supporting evidence.
If this is so easy to find, is it really that difficult for you to do so?
You're saying it wouldn't take me much time to find and yet think it would take too much of you're time just to find it and post here.
Here.
I did a Google search of "2012 'voter fraud' indictment."
I turned up a few pieces on people being indicted. You're welcome.
Unfortunately, the results the search turned up were mostly Republicans.
I'm perfectly willing to believe the Dems engaged in voter fraud. I personally know of this happening in Philadelphia in 2004.
However, if you want to make the argument that they did this, and did it on anywhere near the scale that would have been necessary to win in 2012, you'll have to do your own homework.
Part of winning (and part of being a grown-up) requires being able to admit why we lose and not just resorting to "the other side cheated."
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 01:31 PM (yC+hP)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 01:32 PM (50HUs)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 20, 2014 01:33 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:34 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: Jen at January 20, 2014 01:36 PM (4t/Y9)
They don't need to cheat. Not any more.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 20, 2014 01:36 PM (m2Izr)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 20, 2014 01:37 PM (xSegX)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:38 PM (/FnUH)
This is exactly what he was talking about: the Pinkos have taken over and so brainwashed the American citizenry -- excuse me, the "US PERSONS" according to effwad Hussein -- that they vote for Pinkos en masse.
Another thing: when we saw that the majority of Republican politicians not only don't have the balls to fight Obamacare, but they're IN on it, well.
The Leftist/Pinkos have committed one outrage after another, behaved lawlessly, and have gotten ZERO punishments for it. They know now that they are free to LOOT the country.
Ain't no sheriff in town, folks. We are in the hands of the power-crazed Leftwing Nutjobs.
Posted by: Beverly at January 20, 2014 01:38 PM (XsU8b)
Posted by: AD at January 20, 2014 05:31 PM (yC+hP)
Putting aside the advocacy of the media against the right and for the left, putting aside any voter fraud issues, and even putting aside the fact that the GOP has terrible, terrible candidates and campaign professionals (both McCain and Romney's campaigns were abysmal and nobody who worked for either should ever be hired again) a big part of why "we" lose is that a significant percentage of Americans (truly more than 1/2) want free stuff from the gov't and believe gov't should take care of all of its problems. Probably about 40% or so are absolutist on this score, with another 10-15% rationalizing these choices and pretending that they are voting based on some other basis.
A bigger part of why we lose is that even when "we" win, that just means the GOP wins and the GOP just consolidates the left's gains and increases the size and scope of gov't (including introducing new entitlements) at a slightly slower pace than the DNC would have.
So, not sure we ever really "win". We slow it down a little from time to time, but we never stop it or reverse it.
Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 20, 2014 01:39 PM (sOx93)
Posted by: motion view (@motionview) at January 20, 2014 01:39 PM (e6TyM)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 01:40 PM (Ei3N+)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:41 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:42 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:42 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Todd Akin at January 20, 2014 01:44 PM (K2XO3)
Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at January 20, 2014 01:45 PM (ZzGK+)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 01:47 PM (HbBXz)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:48 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 01:48 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:48 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 01:48 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:50 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 20, 2014 01:50 PM (/djtm)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:50 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: D-Lamp at January 20, 2014 01:52 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:52 PM (z64Z0)
We can't stop it now. Maybe a perfect "storm" of GOP wins this year along with a GOP win in 2016 for the White House might do something.. but it will be damn hard.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 20, 2014 03:50 PM (f9c2L)
I can not see any perfect storm of GOP wins unless the Old Bulls / establishment repubs stop attacking their base and/or we can replace enough of them in congress to stop them from attacking the few actual conservative representatives & senators. I will not vote for any squish candidates pushed onto us by RINOs. Period.
Posted by: EyeTest at January 20, 2014 01:52 PM (y4BCI)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:52 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 20, 2014 01:52 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:53 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 01:56 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:56 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:57 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 20, 2014 01:57 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at January 20, 2014 01:57 PM (4kTo2)
Posted by: ace at January 20, 2014 01:58 PM (/FnUH)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 01:58 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 20, 2014 01:59 PM (P2Icr)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 02:00 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 20, 2014 02:01 PM (klGLB)
ace, huh? Tea Party is wild-eyed extremists because a small number of people in DE understandably despised an arrogant and unappealing incumbent who acted as though he was owed the nomination and who thus got tossed? how many dozen times was the DE "loss" cancelled out by actual meaningful wins in other primaries by "TP" candidates? WTF does this one race have to do with the second greatest partisan shift in US history in 2010, much of it manifesting itself in TP-like backlash against the disastroust national trajectory, whatever the lables/lack thereof in each race?
I thought the TP - and by the way, will those who comically pretend to deny the existence of something that is a practical GOP Establishment please add to their to-do list finding who the f**k the "Tea Party" is and list their address - was extreme because some of its adherents raised the slightest (ineffective) objection to wildly irresponsible spending, the shredding of much the remaining elements of constitutional practice, and - heavens me - amnesty.
Back on-topic, the fact that Romney couldn't easily win the key states based on well-founded angst about the disastrous state of the national and the ineptness and distasteful nature of the incumbent does indeed portend poorly for our future. That many (presumably) "Reagan" Dems in OH/FL/PA/WI may have been averse to Romney because he was a clean bright successful person is pretty much a death sentence, as it means those who formed part of the common sense ballast of the electorate in key times past (as recently as 2004) are now just another dysfunctional failure driven by bigotry, envy, and greed. Unionization of the public sector, and the collapse in public-mindedness that is one of its many pernicious side-effects, might partially explain this (see OH referendum results in 2011 - ? - ).
Posted by: non-purist at January 20, 2014 02:02 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 02:02 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 02:03 PM (z64Z0)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 02:03 PM (RJMhd)
Once the labels get hold of almost anything, they kill it.
Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2014 06:02 PM (z64Z0)
This.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 02:04 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 02:05 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 02:11 PM (RJMhd)
I just wanted to let you know that there is NO ONE more conservative than John Boner.
Not a single person is more conservative than him.
Not one, nope, not a single person.
None, nada, not any, none, zero, zip, zilch, nada again, no one, not a single soul, down to the nth, absolutely no one, absolute zero, not a smidgen, not even close to one.
Not a single person.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at January 20, 2014 02:13 PM (xggaJ)
Posted by: Dan at January 20, 2014 02:13 PM (COpZ4)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 06:03 PM (RJMhd)
Not in Europe, and definitely not in S. America. Both have wildly huge festivals, and metal is doing great. Not so much here though, we got taylor swift and lady fucking gaga.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 20, 2014 02:16 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 02:16 PM (JBggj)
I believe that those in power have perfected the ways in which to surreptitiously manipulate the electorate and the elections.
This required the aid or at least silence of the large news organizations and columnists. Which they have been given.
I think it's why the GOP isn't concerned about it's "base" anymore. It will do what is necessary to maintain it's position at the trough and no more and no less. Gaining the higher levels of power may be in their grasp again sometime but they will not compromise their positions of power to attain them and they certainly won't go counter to their major donors. (and the donors that we DON'T know about)
That's what I believe has happened.
The fix is in and they don't care if it's become obvious that it is being fixed.
Our justice system is a joke and we have judges making ridiculous rulings that drive the country further and further into tyranny.
No one at the top cares anymore because they are a part of it or are willing puppets.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 20, 2014 02:17 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 20, 2014 02:20 PM (XO6WW)
Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 02:22 PM (JBggj)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 02:22 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Sarah Palin at January 20, 2014 02:23 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 20, 2014 02:30 PM (itCai)
Posted by: MrX at January 20, 2014 02:37 PM (q8eh5)
Posted by: mrp at January 20, 2014 02:40 PM (JBggj)
One week before the election I heard Romney saying in a speech "I want to reach across the aisle and work with Democrats!" I gasped OMG! I was so mad I wanted to scream! Who the heck told him to say that?! And if I felt that way there had to be a whole lot of other people out there feeling the same way and how many of those people said "Screw it!" What's the point in even voting!
What the heck did we even have running against him? McCain, the most hated Republican on earth and Romney.. the man who Obama credited with authoring ObamaCare.
Posted by: jellytoast at January 20, 2014 02:52 PM (RvFqU)
Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 20, 2014 02:53 PM (i0aYq)
That said, anybody know who the SC Tea Party convention endorsed for Senate today? If America is going down, I want to make sure that asshole-of-the-millenium Grahamnesty is tied securely to the mast.
I have a hate-on for Miss Lindsey you would not imagine. Just waiting to see whose name to put on the check.
Posted by: mnw at January 20, 2014 03:27 PM (68RU9)
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Posted by: Coleridge at January 20, 2014 06:02 PM (BglJL)
The Constitution still exists, even if this nation will no longer follow it. The Founders didn't leave a lot of holes in their creation, and we can identify most of them. (The difference between the vision contained in Federalist #47 and the reality of today provides a pretty good road map.) Ideas do not die.
Keep the document alive, even if underground. There will come a time for its resurrection and regained preeminence.
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at January 20, 2014 08:06 PM (ab+jQ)
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Posted by: pyromancer76 at January 21, 2014 05:20 AM (i0aYq)
Illegals? Homeless? Gangs? Looting of our treasury?
What's wrong with you? You some kind of kook? Take a pill, buddy.
Posted by: PJ at January 21, 2014 09:01 AM (ZWaLo)
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Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 20, 2014 11:42 AM (RJMhd)