January 15, 2014

Mollie Hemmingway: Hey, How Come Film Critics Savaged "The Passion of the Christ" for Its Brutal Depiction of Violence, But Praise "12 Years a Slave" for the Same Sort of Brutality?
— Ace

Via Hot Air, Mollie Hemmingway remembered what critics had said about Mel Gibson's 2004 film about the suffering of Jesus on the day of his crucifixion -- left-leaning critics widely condemned it as "torture porn."

The left-leaning critics, however, don't seem to remember what they once wrote. For example, here's the same Detroit News critic discussing the violence of Passion, and then, nine years later, that of Slave:

Detroit News (same critic)
Passion: A filmed bloodletting like no other on record, essentially a terribly graphic two-hour torture sequence.

Slave: “12 Years a Slave” lays out an institution so twisted and wrong that its honest portrayal has been avoided for centuries. Yes, it’s dark and brutal. It needs to be.

Gee, what could possibly account for his dramatic shift in position as to whether "dark and brutal" violence was justified? I have no idea whatsoever, apart from the obvious which is of course the answer: Because he approves of the propagandistic value of one film's depiction of brutality and disapproves of the other's.

Or:

Los Angeles Times (same critic)

Passion: A film so narrowly focused as to be inaccessible for all but the devout.

Slave: When a director who never ever blinks takes on a horrific subject, a nightmare in broad daylight is the inevitable result. Welcome, if that is the right word, to the world of “12 Years a Slave.”

He warns away the general public from Passion, but invites them to 12 Years.

David Edelstein

Passion (at Slate): This is a two-hour-and- six-minute snuff movie — The Jesus Chainsaw Massacre — that thinks it’s an act of faith.

Slave (at New York Magazine): Twelve Years a Slave, published in 1853, is an even-toned but acid account of unimaginable horror.

And on, and on, and on and on and on.

It is difficult to divorce oneself from one's political sympathies and allegiances when critiquing a work of art with a political component. But it is clear these reviewers didn't even bother to attempt such a thing. Their reviews flow predictably and inexorably from their political beliefs. They might as well have simply reviewed "The Republican Party" and "The Democratic Party," rather than pretending they were reviewing an artistic work with a separate identity and mission from partisan politics.

David French similarly notes the left-wing critics seem to believe they are reviewing something called "George W. Bush's War on Terror" when they pretend to review the Afghanistan war film Lone Survivor.

As the war in Afghanistan winds down, and as the American public is increasingly “war weary” (a phrase I find fascinating since at any given time only 0.6 percent of Americans are in uniform, and the vast majority of Americans have endured not one single second of sacrifice for the war effort since 9/11), anti-military and anti-American sentiment may be rediscovering its Vietnam-era voice. The vehicle for the latest two minutes’ hate is a bit curious, however. Lone Survivor tells the story of a SEAL mission gone wrong and the resulting firefight where a small band of SEALs displayed remarkable courage under fire. But they showed more than courage. An act of humanity sealed their fate — the decision to free Afghan civilians that stumbled into their path. With their own lives on the line, they obeyed American rules of engagement, obeyed the laws of war, and conducted themselves with honor (with one SEAL posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor).

So how do some in the left-wing press write about this movie? HereÂ’s L.A. Weekly:

These four men were heroes. But these heroes were also men. As the film portrays them, their attitudes to the incredibly complex War on Terror, fought hillside by bloody hillside in the Afghan frontier with both U.S. and Taliban forces contributing to an unconscionably high civilian body count, were simple: Brown people bad, American people good.

Really? You say that after the film shows how Americans actually gave their lives rather than kill an innocent “brown” person? Make no mistake, this is an accusation of the most vile racism, and it slanders these SEALs. Indeed, it slanders more than the SEALs involved in that firefight. Friends of mine died in Iraq — including, and this will be a news flash to L.A. Weekly (which apparently views our forces as all-white), “brown” friends — because of their concern for and respect for the lives of local citizens. We erred on the side of saving local lives, to the point where people very dear to me paid the ultimate price.

He documents this primitive tribalism of other critics' reviews in other places, including (oh, this is far too easy) the crude-minded student newspaper Salon.

To play Mollie Hemmingway's game with Lone Survivor: You know there was another film that depicted a very simple Us Vs. Them code of morality on the advisability of killing one deemed, in primitive manner, "bad." That film was Django, and for some reason, the left-wing critics weren't all that upset at the film's literally black-and-white view on shooting Evil Doers.

Here's the LA Weekly reviewer on Django:

Quentin Tarantino's Django Unchained Is Both Seriously Thoughtful and Seriously Entertaining


Watching Django Unchained, it's easy to imagine that Quentin Tarantino had such a blast making his last picture, the ebullient Holocaust fantasia Inglourious Basterds, that he decided to take his whole blood-spattered historical tent show on the road, this time putting down stakes in antebellum Dixieland....

Is it mere coincidence that Django Unchained arrives in the same season as Steven Spielberg's Lincoln, the second of two Spielberg films about slavery (after 1997's Amistad) that never expose audiences to the harsh realities of plantation life?

I myself found the various head-shots very thoughtful.

Not the same reviewer, incidentally.

We keep seeing that: Praise for the depiction of the "harsh realities" of the subject matter under consideration... at least when it appears in a film which the left perceives as advancing its own ball.

When Lone Survivor depicts a jihadist decapitation of an innocent -- also a "harsh reality" of jihadism, as a search on Ogrish.com can confirm for you, as could Daniel Pearl, if he hadn't been beheaded -- it's derided as racial jingoism and "war propaganda."

Posted by: Ace at 12:41 PM | Comments (287)
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1 what racists

Posted by: oc joe at January 15, 2014 12:42 PM (hqVUe)

2 I remember seeing a chart around the time both "Passion of the Christ" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" came out comparing critics' grades for the two...you can guess how that went as well.

Posted by: brak at January 15, 2014 12:44 PM (iEoiA)

3 Well, you have to admit the left are experts when it comes to 'war propaganda' against America.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at January 15, 2014 12:44 PM (hpgw1)

4 Thank goodness we aren't forced to see movies. Yet.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 15, 2014 12:45 PM (IXrOn)

5 re 3: also experts on religion, dontcha know

Posted by: Mallfly at January 15, 2014 12:45 PM (bJm7W)

6 You white people should all be ashamed that your ancestors enslaved black people.  Come to our movie so we can hector you about it more.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 12:45 PM (8ZskC)

7 come to think of it, experts on everything.

Posted by: Mallfly at January 15, 2014 12:45 PM (bJm7W)

8 Thank goodness we aren't forced to see movies. Yet. Our kids will probably watch it in school.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at January 15, 2014 12:46 PM (P03XK)

9 I never miss a Tarantino movie. I make no apologies. I like twisted sh*t.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 15, 2014 12:46 PM (IXrOn)

10 ...and I thought Amistad was gratuitous.

Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 12:47 PM (5Wdng)

11 Expecting lefties to be consistent in anything other than their smug hypocrisy is expecting way too much.

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 15, 2014 12:47 PM (GJUgF)

12 There have been a lot of slavery-themed movies lately, huh? Wonder why that is....
Seems to have replaced the predictable McCarthism-themed movies that used to come out yearly.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (POpqt)

13

Yeah - I'm planning to go see "Lone Survivor".

 

"Twelve Years a Slave"?  Not even on my radar....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (PZ6/M)

14 Prog Culture > old dead white dudes.


Bullwhip anyone?

Posted by: Robert Mapplethorpe [/i] [/b] at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (5ikDv)

15 How dare you, sire? The highest level of accomplishment one can achieve is to attain the enlightenment necessary to be a movie reviewer. They know stuff, man!

Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (QxSug)

16 So the lady who wrote brown people bad, white people good missed the part where a Pashtun helped save Luttrell. I'm just assuming that's in the movie because I haven't seen it yet. The problem is they see the world as white people bad.

Posted by: Adam at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (Aif/5)

17 Because no Muslim ever beheaded anyone.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (7kkQJ)

18 It's all who/whom. They savage any movie they think might give people the "wrong" ideas.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 12:49 PM (ZPrif)

19 The only imaginable "political" facet to "The Passion of the Christ" is the Left's unabashed hatred of Christianity. That having been said, Leftists are quite consistent in finding reasons to condemn pro-American and pro-Christian movies -- reasons that would never be mentioned in connection with a movie that shares the Left's bigotries.

Posted by: Francis W. Porretto at January 15, 2014 12:49 PM (d2g9U)

20 just got back from Lone Survivor, thumbs up for it

Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 12:50 PM (vJdyz)

21

See, if Mel G. had just cast a black man to play Teh Jayzus there would've been much better reviews.

 

B/c Liberals *love* seeing them black guys get whipped.

Posted by: Bigby's Tin Cup Holding Hand at January 15, 2014 12:50 PM (3ZtZW)

22 I think 12 Years a Slave knocked out The Butler for the mandatory white guilt award.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 15, 2014 12:50 PM (Qev5V)

23 As the film portrays them, their attitudes to the incredibly complex War on Terror


Translation: You dumb rubes can't possibly be relied on to reach the correct conclusions about the neolithic savages that have declared war on the West and its culture.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 12:50 PM (8ZskC)

24 Why, it's almost as if the leftists hate their own culture (and people) and actively seek to undermine and destroy it!

Posted by: Golem_Master at January 15, 2014 12:50 PM (Bw98Q)

25 one can only hope there's pushback. But on the other hand, as Coulter noted, it's not as if these people -opinion page writers and other newspaper yokels - actually sell books or do anything that indicates the move the needle. Being a movie reviewer is probably just a sinecure for friends of the editor/owners.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 15, 2014 12:51 PM (QxSug)

26 You know something Marge? It's not that hard being a film cricket.

Posted by: Homer Simpson[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 12:51 PM (P7Wsr)

27 But ace, this is totes respectful of the men who gave their lives... ", Berg is questioning the sense of a film — and a foreign policy — that makes target practice of our magnificent teams of hard-bodied, hairy-chested, rootin'-tootin', shootin', parachutin', double-cap-crimpin' frogmen, these soldiers who decorate their bunks with baby pictures of themselves next to an American flag and are so nobly eager to sacrifice their lives for each other and their country. But the ammo doesn't stop blasting long enough for their deaths to have weight. Instead, Lone Survivor just reads like a quasi-political exaggeration of a slasher film: the cellphones that don't work, the rescuers just out of reach, the killers chasing our victims through the woods." See guys, I'm concerned that these heros weren't properly remembered. I don't hate the military. Why would you think that?

Posted by: LA Weekly Scrunt at January 15, 2014 12:51 PM (hFL/3)

28 So the lady who wrote brown people bad, white people good missed the part where a Pashtun helped save Luttrell. I'm just assuming that's in the movie because I haven't seen it yet.

The problem is they see the world as white people bad.

Posted by: Adam

Even more retarded is the fact that Pashtun and Tajiks and all them mother fuckers are Caucasian.

There is no such thing as The Brown Race.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 15, 2014 12:52 PM (qrpxS)

29 When Lone Survivor depicts a jihadist decapitation of an innocent -- also a "harsh reality" of jihadism, as a search on Ogrish.com can confirm for you -- it's derided as racial jingoism and "war propaganda."
***
I still remember when NOW, in early 2001, was saying the only reason George Bush didn't attack Afghanistan was because he didn't care enough for brown women being oppressed in a land with no natural resources.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 12:52 PM (P3U0f)

30 Ah, Liberalism. AKA "Daddy Issues writ large". Film sticking it "the man"? Good stuff. Film portraying traditional values/pro-American? Bad.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 12:52 PM (GEICT)

31 see also, reviews for Act of Valor. see c.f., their reviews for In the Valley of Elah, etc. What tools.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 15, 2014 12:52 PM (QxSug)

32

"How Come..."?

 

Because film critics are Liberals...and hypocrites.

Posted by: wheatie at January 15, 2014 12:52 PM (wUr+i)

33 Mollie Hemmingway remembered what critics had said about Mel Gibson's 2004 film{...} Protip: Here in the U.S., we (and Mollie for that matter) use the Hemingway spelling.

Posted by: Pedantry Q. Grammatic at January 15, 2014 12:53 PM (PMGbu)

34 As the film portrays them, their attitudes to the incredibly complex War on Terror, fought hillside by bloody hillside in the Afghan frontier with both U.S. and Taliban forces contributing to an unconscionably high civilian body count, were simple: Brown people bad, American people good.



So, one of three things with this reviewer.  Either:
a)  they didn't actually see the film, or they'd know this wasn't the case
OR
b)  they're extremely disingenuous about the depiction of the characters, both main and supporting
OR
c)  they are so blinded by BOOOOOOSH hatred that they can't see reality


FUCK. THEM.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 15, 2014 12:53 PM (GrtrJ)

35 I'll at least half agree with the critic.  I haven't seen PofTC, but from what I've been told, it is wall-to-wall violence, for which I have no interest in paying.  However, I'm sure the argument is something along the lines of the "a reflection of reality" stuff.  You know, the same line they use to justify obscene, vulgar, misogynistic and racist rap lyrics from some half-retarded, semi-literate buffoon who thinks making things sort of rhyme makes him John Dunne. 

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 12:53 PM (6TB1Z)

36 There have been a lot of slavery-themed movies lately, huh? Wonder why that is....
___
You just hate the President...uh...these movies because they star black people.

Posted by: Some Liberal at January 15, 2014 12:54 PM (P3U0f)

37 Even non-religious lefty fucknozzle reviewers (BIRM) don't like to be reminded that it was, and is, their sins that put Jesus into the "Jesus Chainsaw Massacre". 

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 12:54 PM (TM1p8)

38 They're leftard progs.  They're  hopelessly blind to the reality around them  and proud of it.  It's their trademark.  I don't listen to them anymore.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 12:54 PM (MB7Pi)

39 You know what Hollywood needs?  More movies about the Holocaust and American Slavery.  Those are the only two bad things that have ever happened. 

Posted by: Geraldine Ferraro at January 15, 2014 12:54 PM (epWQP)

40 ..."As the war in Afghanistan winds down, and as the American public is increasingly “war weary” (a phrase I find fascinating since at any given time only 0.6 percent of Americans are in uniform, and the vast majority of Americans have endured not one single second of sacrifice for the war effort since 9/11)..."

=========================


THIS ^^^^^^^^

If you ever want to see me absolutely lose it, just observe me when some idiot confronts me with this argument ...... "But we're just so tired of this war"  (Said to me multiple times when Little Winger was deployed to Iraq)



What the HECK are YOU tired of???  You have done NOTHING!!!  Except maybe have to hear about it for ten seconds on the nightly news??!!  WOW big sacrifice on your part there, buddy.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 12:54 PM (P6QsQ)

41 Oh and I have now seen Lone Survivor twice and 12 Years a Slave zero times.


But that's just the racist teatard in me.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 15, 2014 12:54 PM (GrtrJ)

42 Because it's all bullshit. Everyone in media has a leftist agenda, and they all lie.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2014 12:55 PM (Xd+ZC)

43 Doesn't it hurt to be the intellectually vacuous? I mean, you'd think the head caving in from the vacuum would hurt at least a little bit. Then again, it is super lazy and I am a fan of laziness. Also, I never comprehended the objections to the Passion of the Christ showing the, um, Passion of the Christ. It's kind of like how critics were shocked and amazed that Apocalypto was super violent. No. A movie about the Mayans was violent? Get out of here.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 12:55 PM (VtjlW)

44 These useless media-whores realize that the only sizable population "brown people" in Afghanistan are our soldiers.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 12:55 PM (4JkHl)

45 Some important slavery facts that always get glossed over. The vast majority of slaves were brought over by the Spanish and Portuguese. The British were late to the party by a 100+ years. The British colonies also imported far fewer slaves because they treated their slaves better. So they were able to survive and have families. Which is why the largest population of Africans lives in America today and not the rest of Latin American even though they imported many more slaves. Spanish and Portuguese Empires didn't rely on slaves reproducing to generate more slaves, just used them till they died and bought new ones. Slavery is evil, but some forms can be more evil than others, can be more cruel. The Left always claims they are such subtle thinkers, but it's apparently not allowed to notice that the form of slavery practiced by the Spanish Empire was much harsher than the British Empire.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 12:55 PM (ZPrif)

46 I'll at least half agree with the critic. I haven't seen PofTC, but from what I've been told, it is wall-to-wall violence
***
In a story about someone's scourging and crucifixion, how would it not be full of violence?

Speaking of which, I thought man's inhumanity to man, something that even a hardcore atheist could see in the movie, was a perennial literary theme?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 12:55 PM (P3U0f)

47 brown people bad, white people good

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Like the military is all white.  Give me a freekeeng break.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 12:56 PM (P6QsQ)

48 Also, I never comprehended the objections to the Passion of the Christ showing the, um, Passion of the Christ. It's kind of like how critics were shocked and amazed that Apocalypto was super violent. No. A movie about the Mayans was violent? Get out of here. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 04:55 PM (VtjlW) Damn that realistic portrayal of reality. It just has no place in society!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (GEICT)

49 You white people should all be ashamed that your ancestors enslaved black people. Come to our movie so we can hector you about it more. Yeah, no. My parents and I have done a lot of genealogy and we haven't found a single ancestor here, in England, in France, in Germany, in Ireland, or anywhere else our research has taken us, that owned one or more slaves. Funny that I'm still implicated in some weird "collective guilt" racist fever dream.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (P7Wsr)

50 The media who work in entertainment reviews hate their life, they desperately want to be like the "opinion shapers" in the news. They want to be important. So, ironically enough, they become more agenda driven and ideological then people who actually talk about politics. Every damn movie, CD, video game, book...hell, even comic book...is some metaphor or "commentary" on society. And if the reviewer approves of the position he/she imagines within the work of art he lavishes it with praise. If he/she sees some nefarious agenda they oppose creeping in, then they will bash it and call it propaganda. It never fails.

 Sometimes, a movie set in a fictional world is just a story. It's like when people debated whether "The Dark Knight" was a commentary on the War on Terror and the need to take any means necessary to fight evil. I mean, fuck...I just wanted to watch a Batman movie and I want to know how good it is. Fuck your politics, is worth seeing or not?

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (ynzfm)

51 Plus, completely ignorant-of-history nonreligious lefty fucknozzle reviewers actually believe that Lincoln was a Democrat and that it was the Tea Party that enslaved the blacks, rather than the forebears of the party they currently sacrifice every unborn child to that they can get their forceps on. 

So they don't mind having someone point out that slavery was wrong.

And, of course being moral imbeciles, they don't see that "blacks are just property" and "fetuses are just lumps of flesh" are the same argument.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (TM1p8)

52 A movie about the Mayans was violent? Get out of here.


The New World was an earthly paradise where all lived in peace, security and mutual respect.  Then the white man came with his horses and guns and smallpox blankets and ruined everything.

Leftard Standard Meme #227

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (8ZskC)

53 In a story about someone's scourging and crucifixion, how would it not be full of violence?

I didn't say it wasn't the truth, I said I had no interest in it.  I also have no interest in seeing movies about car wrecks or open heart surgery. 

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (6TB1Z)

54 It is in a Leftist's DNA to use whatever influence they have to "shape public opinion." Be it a byline in a newspaper or a bumpersticker on a car.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2014 12:57 PM (Xd+ZC)

55 Speaking of movies about slavery...could we get something about serfdom?

You know, the local nobility take half of what you earn...and determine how you will live, what you will eat, and what you can say...for your own good?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 12:58 PM (P3U0f)

56 But again, I didn't see the movie.

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 12:58 PM (6TB1Z)

57 I saw Jesus Chainsaw Massacre open for Molly Hatchet at the Cow Palace back in '82.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 15, 2014 12:58 PM (+lsX1)

58 6 You white people should all be ashamed that your ancestors enslaved black people. Come to our movie so we can hector you about it more. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 04:45 PM (8ZskC) Yeah...so here's the thing... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 12:58 PM (T0NGe)

59 <i>fought hillside by bloody hillside in the Afghan frontier
with both <s>U.S.</s> <u>British Colonial Garrisons or Russian Paratroopers </s> and Taliban forces contributing to an unconscionably high
civilian body count, were simple: </i>

Fixed, its like they're not even covering this century's war.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 12:59 PM (4JkHl)

60 Slavery is evil, but some forms can be more evil than others, can be more cruel.


The sugar plantations in the Caribbean islands were hellholes that killed some ridiculously large percentage of new slaves each year.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 01:00 PM (8ZskC)

61 Oh, and speaking of the oh so peaceful American Indians, when the British and French got to setting up colonies on the East Coast they found the Iroquois a rising power a bit further west and documented their rise.

How did the Iroquois become a major power? By making war on neighbouring tribes to take their land and move them to other, less valuable parcels of land...what you might call...reservations.


Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:00 PM (P3U0f)

62 Ooops, wrong syntax family:

fought hillside by bloody hillside in the Afghan frontier

with both U.S. British Colonial Garrisons or Russian Paratroopers and Taliban forces contributing to an unconscionably high

civilian body count, were simple:

Fixed, its like they're not even covering this century's war.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:00 PM (4JkHl)

63

56 -

 

I've seen it.  Frankly, I don't get the purpose of it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 01:00 PM (TOk1P)

64 >>Speaking of movies about slavery...could we get something about serfdom?

Hunger Games covers this, but in an alternate world.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 01:00 PM (POpqt)

65 Movies like 12 Years a Slave exist to  remind of us of how evil we were(are). Also, they exist to win accolades and awards, like the Oscars. It's really a cheap trick by now, but it still works.

Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 15, 2014 01:00 PM (Vvdwr)

66 crap

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:01 PM (4JkHl)

67 "They might as well have simply reviewed "The Republican Party" and "The Democratic Party," rather than pretending they were reviewing an artistic work" Does anyone in Hollywood know that the Democrats split the US and fought a civil war to keep slavery? Forward 150 years and the Democrats still have captives on their plantation and Blacks that escape are derided and demonised.

Posted by: Decaf at January 15, 2014 01:01 PM (CHCwT)

68 Slander, libel, and journolism are synonyms.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 15, 2014 01:01 PM (qyfb5)

69 Posted by: Jean Just leave it be. You know the barrel always hungers.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 01:01 PM (naUcP)

70 Are you could easily conclude who the Left wants to crucify, behead and all around torture from this piece. I may be white and male, but I'm thinking about being gay. How about you guys?

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at January 15, 2014 01:01 PM (oDCMR)

71 My ancestors raped, pillaged, and enslaved almost everyone they came across (Vikings).  Now I feel so guilty I drive a Volvo Wagon, wear sensible shoes, am for women's liberation, and sport a professorial beard.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 15, 2014 01:01 PM (32Ze2)

72 "Funny that I'm still implicated in some weird "collective guilt" racist fever dream."

Yup. Wonder why no "intellectual" has floated the idea that its racist to damn whites for slavery.

Posted by: Fen at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (a422o)

73 I did not see the Passion of the Christ.  My children saw it and told me not to go.  They knew it would overwhelm me and break my heart.


The sheer fact that Jesus died on the cross for my sins breaks my heart, yet it is the one thing I cling to, and the one thing in which my hope resides. 

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (P6QsQ)

74 >>Movies like 12 Years a Slave exist to remind of us of how evil we were(are).

Also to keep the anger alive in present-day African Americans.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (POpqt)

75 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 15, 2014 04:57 PM (8ZskC) You forgot. "and they totally respected the environment all the time."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (7kkQJ)

76 Nine years is a long time. People change, times change, circumstances change. There's a black democrat in the white house.

Posted by: Timmy Brace at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (eCtd9)

77
How did the Iroquois become a major power? And by controlling the trade with the Europeans for things like knives and guns, used only for hunting.  Per British regulations.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (4JkHl)

78 Mollie Hemmingway: Hey, How Come Film Critics Savaged "The Passion of the Christ" for Its Brutal Depiction of Violence, But Praise "12 Years a Slave" for the Same Sort of Brutality? *** That's a rhetorical question, right?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (DmNpO)

79 Oh, or also how about a movie about the Islamic slave trade in the Mediterrian? From the rise of Islam until the early modern period the North Africans viciously raided and enslaved Christians.

The only thing that stopped them? American, British, and French military might (don't laugh about the last one...)

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:02 PM (P3U0f)

80 52, you're right. But Neil Young had it all down in "Cortez the Killer."

Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 15, 2014 01:03 PM (Vvdwr)

81 Also, I never comprehended the objections to the Passion of the Christ showing the, um, Passion of the Christ. It's kind of like how critics were shocked and amazed that Apocalypto was super violent. No. A movie about the Mayans was violent? Get out of here.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 04:55 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

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Mel Gibson may be a crazy, crude sumbitch, but he knows how to make good movies. 

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 01:03 PM (MB7Pi)

82 Also, the slave trade pre-existed the discovery of the New World. When the amerindian tribes died off due to the diseases brought over, unwittingly, by the Portuguese and Spanish conquistadors ... the Spanish and Portuguese went to Africa and started out-bidding the Arabs for slaves. The Trans-Saharan slave trade had been going for a thousand+ years. Muhammad had been a slave trader who bought and sold black Africans alongside spices and other trade goods. The great wealth of the Americas made the Spanish and Portuguese rich so they had the money to outbid the Arabs. The ruling class black tribes on the west coast of Africa were the ones who actually captured and sold black Africans into slavery. Typically they captured and sold members of competing tribes. Selling into slavery was also who they handled crime and punishment. You killed another man's goats? The local chiefs sold you to the Spanish. As the slave trade heated up and so much money kept driving up the price, the ruling tribes kept extending the sell-into-slavery punishment to lesser and lesser crimes. Cause they wanted the money. Eventually it was used as a way to pay off debts and for pretty ticky-tack crimes. The ruling tribes in coastal Africa got rich of the slave trade and had no moral problem selling off rival tribes to some rich Spaniard.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 01:03 PM (ZPrif)

83 That's another thing, I could have sworn I read the book when it came out about 8 years ago and I don't remember them fighting in villages. Am I misremembering?

Posted by: Adam at January 15, 2014 01:03 PM (Aif/5)

84 2000yrs is a long time, too.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:03 PM (4JkHl)

85 >>Yup. Wonder why no "intellectual" has floated the idea that its racist to damn whites for slavery.

Or that slavery is not only *not* unique to whites, but that there is slavery in the world today being done by non-whites. But that would require them to step outside of the bounds of current PC thought.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (POpqt)

86 Anything is acceptable if it makes whitey look bad.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (m2Izr)

87 The joy I get is  that Lone Survivor will make more money than all the  anti   Iraq / Afghan  war films  put together. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (m2CN7)

88 And, of course being moral imbeciles, they don't see that "blacks are just property" and "fetuses are just lumps of flesh" are the same argument.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 04:57 PM (TM1p

 I believe the "personally opposed, pro choice" and "Don't push your religion on me" arguments were pretty popular with the pro-slavery crowd as well....

 Of course, slavery still exists now in the east but liberals would rather compare working at McDonald's for minimum wage to slavery.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (ynzfm)

89 I somewhat remember seeing 12 Years a Slave open for Alice in Chains at the San Josie amphitheater back in 87. 

Posted by: NvDude at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (sV3Dv)

90 Oh, and speaking of the oh so peaceful American Indians, Most tribes had no concept of the ownership of land, it's true. But they sure as hell understood the concept of ownership of people.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (T0NGe)

91 >>That's another thing, I could have sworn I read the book when it came out about 8 years ago and I don't remember them fighting in villages. Am I misremembering?

Near the end, the village Luttrell is hiding in is attacked.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 01:04 PM (POpqt)

92 Movies like 12 Years a Slave exist to remind of us of how evil we were(are).
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You know the notion of blood guilt has traditionally ended in a pretty horrible way when taken to its logical conclusion...

Then again, the left believes that if you personally supported Stalin or Mao's genocides you aren't a bad person, just a little too idealistic.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:05 PM (P3U0f)

93 In before Toby!

Posted by: the scorpion at January 15, 2014 01:05 PM (QupBk)

94 In 1492, when the New and Old Worlds met, every human group that controlled a single speck of territory on the planet got there by killing off a rival group. There is no such thing as indigenous peoples. No group sprouted out of the ground. Every tribe took their hunting spot and fishing spot and cropland from some other, weaker tribe.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 01:05 PM (ZPrif)

95 The joy I get is that Lone Survivor will make more money than all the anti Iraq / Afghan war films put together. Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 05:04 PM (m2CN7) IÂ’m glad too, Polynikes.

Posted by: Carol at January 15, 2014 01:06 PM (z4WKX)

96 That's another thing, I could have sworn I read the book when it came out about 8 years ago and I don't remember them fighting in villages. Am I misremembering?

Posted by: Adam at January 15, 2014 05:03 PM (Aif/5)

 

Me either.  My recollection is the book is more about Lutrells rescue and survival in the Afghan village by  its inhabitants.   At least that is what stuck with me. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 01:06 PM (m2CN7)

97 The Media is Biased. I shall alert the Media.

Posted by: Flounder at January 15, 2014 01:06 PM (mka2b)

98 I blame the tax code. If you weren't allowed to write off 100% your slave losses, this type of abuse would never have happened.

Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 01:06 PM (2FLti)

99 **Oh, or also how about a movie about the Islamic slave trade in the Mediterrian? From the rise of Islam until the early modern period the North Africans viciously raided and enslaved Christians. ** yeah, seconded.

Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 15, 2014 01:07 PM (QxSug)

100 Speaking of Danny Pearl, Sheihk Rosie O'Donnell has renounced violence.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 15, 2014 01:07 PM (Qev5V)

101 Also the lash was a common form of punishment until quite recently. George Washington put far more free white men to the lash than he did black slaves. It was a common tool to instill discipline. Most lashing, of course, was designed to inflict temporary pain and not by physically disabling, that would defeat the point.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 01:07 PM (ZPrif)

102 Or that slavery is not only *not* unique to whites, but that there is slavery in the world today being done by non-whites
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Slavery is as old as human history. It took a bunch of white, Christian, religious fundamentalists to successfully make the argument that enslaving other people was morally wrong.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:08 PM (P3U0f)

103 btw, did you find it strange that Rush mentioned coconut oil today on his show? I didn't because I know Rush reads this blog, and reads all my comments, natch.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2014 01:08 PM (Xd+ZC)

104 Ace, The left hated "Passion of the Christ" because it depicted what Christ actually went throught to atone for our sins. The pain and the anguish as he suffered on the cross. The Left wants Christ depicted with baby rabbits and birds in his hands as he feeds the poor and takes from the "rich". They want the storybook Jesus, not the Jewish Jesus that lived when times were actually pretty harsh.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 15, 2014 01:08 PM (BXLPR)

105 As the slave trade heated up and so much money kept driving up the price, the ruling tribes kept extending the sell-into-slavery punishment to lesser and lesser crimes. Cause they wanted the money. Eventually it was used as a way to pay off debts and for pretty ticky-tack crimes. The ruling tribes in coastal Africa got rich of the slave trade and had no moral problem selling off rival tribes to some rich Spaniard. Moreover, when the British banned the slave trade (the US had already outlawed the importation of slaves to its own territory) the hardest part was using its imperialism to impose it on the rest of the world.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 01:08 PM (T0NGe)

106

I think ogrish is defunct.

At any rate, every shit headed, leftwing apologist for Islamic terrorism should have to watch a ten hour loop of all the videotaped beheadings available on the interent. There is no sound more horrifying than some poor soul trying to suck air through a severed windpipe.

Posted by: Warden at January 15, 2014 01:08 PM (HzhBE)

107 You know the notion of blood guilt has traditionally ended in a pretty horrible way when taken to its logical conclusion... Yep, and "White Privilege" is blood guilt in a fancy top hat.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 01:09 PM (P7Wsr)

108 It took a bunch of white, Christian, religious fundamentalists to successfully make the argument that enslaving other people was morally wrong.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 05:08 PM (P3U0f)

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Bunch of SoCons inflicting their religion on everybody else.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 01:09 PM (P6QsQ)

109 Most tribes had no concept of the ownership of land, it's true.

But they sure as hell understood the concept of ownership of people.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 05:04 PM (T0NGe)

 

 

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Plus the torture of captured pioneers.  Does anyone think they learned those methods overnight?

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 01:09 PM (MB7Pi)

110 Also the lash was a common form of punishment until quite recently. Now it's lotion & the hose.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 01:09 PM (b1/nQ)

111 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

I don't understand why Danny DeVito and Jack Nicholson are acting batshit crazy and attacking that poor nurse Syrias you guys?

//Ezra Klein Movie Reviews

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 01:10 PM (TE35l)

112 People also seem to forget it was the British Empire that basically stamped out slavery around the world as well.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:10 PM (4JkHl)

113 >>The joy I get is that Lone Survivor will make more money than all the anti Iraq / Afghan war films put together.

Yes, and also that mainstream Hollywood people like Berg and Wahlberg are openly honoring our troops. I don't know how passionately they feel about it, but Hollywood is so reflexively anti-military that just speaking out is noteworthy. I liked Act of Valor but it was not made by Hollywood insiders, right?

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 01:10 PM (POpqt)

114 If you're a soldier, you know the best time to discuss "the incredibly complex War on Terror"? After the mission.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 15, 2014 01:10 PM (DpEwG)

115 Ace, that article by Mollie Hemingway was a beuatifully surgical carving up of Hollywood leftist elitism.  Thank you for linking that, and expounding on it.

Good Shit.

Posted by: Vortex Lovera at January 15, 2014 01:10 PM (wtvvX)

116

Just remember you wingnuts:

 

Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive!

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 15, 2014 01:10 PM (XxAYS)

117 In 1492, when the New and Old Worlds met, every human group that controlled a single speck of territory on the planet got there by killing off a rival group.
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My favourite story in this area is how Cortez defeated the Aztecs. It wasn't so much his guns or military genius...but the fact that the Aztecs had so brutally oppressed their neighbours that they were willing to send thousands of warriors to fight with the Spanish and bring down the Aztec Empire...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:11 PM (P3U0f)

118 And this bit here?  "an institution so twisted and wrong that its honest portrayal has been avoided for centuries."

Since he can't possibly be talking about 12 Years a Slave being the first movie about American slavery to be brutal (see Roots, Glory, Amistad), he MUST be talking about Muslim involvement in the slave trade, which is not commonly known.

Right?

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 01:11 PM (TM1p8)

119 There also making a movie called Thunder Run, based on the book about the armored push for Baghdad. It will be interesting to see what they do with that.

Posted by: Adam at January 15, 2014 01:11 PM (Aif/5)

120 It's very nice to live in a country where you can get away with publicly dishonoring Men Who Kill For A Living To Protect Your Rights and not have to worry about  those very same men giving you a quick glimpse of your own headless body before the lights flicker out.

If I wasn't already pretty sure this asshat  of a movie reviewer  honestly believed every single stupid word of that  trash, I'd be forced to think that she was just trolling for attention.


Posted by: Jaws at January 15, 2014 01:11 PM (4I3Uo)

121 Newly elected Toronto-Centre MP Chrystia Freeland says she has abandoned her reflexive New York City “snarkiness” to be a Member of Parliament.

“I’ve moved from the trade that invented snark, and the city, New York, that prides itself on its snarkiness, to the land of smarm, and the ranks of professional smarmers as a member of the Canadian federal parliament,” she wrote in a recent article.

Posted by: hosehead at January 15, 2014 01:12 PM (e8kgV)

122 Plus the torture of captured pioneers. Does anyone think they learned those methods overnight?

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 05:09 PM (MB7Pi)



They learned their haircutting techniques from Mitt Romney!

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 15, 2014 01:12 PM (GrtrJ)

123 My favourite story in this area is how Cortez defeated the Aztecs. It wasn't so much his guns or military genius...but the fact that the Aztecs had so brutally oppressed their neighbours that they were willing to send thousands of warriors to fight with the Spanish and bring down the Aztec Empire... I don't believe in actual Karma, but sometimes it seems like a soft version of karma is in force.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 01:12 PM (P7Wsr)

124 Some important slavery facts that always get glossed over.

The first slaveholder in the American colonies was a black man.

And members of the Cherokee Nation held black slaves.  That's not taught in schools for some reason.

Posted by: Duesenberg J. Phaeton at January 15, 2014 01:12 PM (ZKzrr)

125 uh oh - Brown people make nice tread grease?

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:12 PM (4JkHl)

126 112 Jean at January 15, 2014 05:10 PM (4JkHl)

Correct, or that Brazil had slaves until ~1888...

hey America "evil" ours alone...

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 01:12 PM (TE35l)

127 You white people should all be ashamed that your ancestors enslaved black people. Come to our movie so we can hector you about it more. Yeah, no. My parents and I have done a lot of genealogy and we haven't found a single ancestor here, in England, in France, in Germany, in Ireland, or anywhere else our research has taken us, that owned one or more slaves. One common misconception? Unless said white person actually caught a black, they didn't "enslave" them. That would have been by other BLACKS who caught & sold them, thus "enslaving" them.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 01:13 PM (b1/nQ)

128 Instead, Berg leads you to the conclusion that these Americans were just too good, too true, too respectful. Luttrell’s operation — and his teams’ lives — might have been saved if they’d summarily executed three passing goat-herders rather than following the Rules of Engagement. I can’t imagine a single person watching the subsequent wave upon wave of Taliban fighters with their RPGs and machine-guns and not thinking, If only the Americans had put two bullets in the head of each of those guys, they’d be home with their wives and kids today. Lone Survivor is a brutally effective movie, made by people who think that they’re serving their country. But they’re just making us coarser and more self-centered. They’re perpetuating the kind of propaganda that sent the heroes of Seal Team 10 to their deaths. Edelstein on Lone Survivor

Posted by: liverpool pathway at January 15, 2014 01:13 PM (zOTsN)

129 The Left wants Christ depicted with baby rabbits and birds in his hands as he feeds the poor and takes from the "rich".

They want the storybook Jesus, not the Jewish Jesus that lived when times were actually pretty harsh.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 15, 2014 05:08 PM (BXLPR)

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Exactly.  They want Social Justice Jesus.  They do not want Jesus, Savior and Lord.  They want the god (small g) they can manipulate, not the God who conquers and reigns and calls out "follow Me."

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 01:13 PM (P6QsQ)

130 Damn that realistic portrayal of reality. It just has no place in society! Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 04:57 PM (GEICT) To be fair, I'm not overly fond of reality myself. The (late, lamented) BFF was full blood Mohawk. It was hilarious when people would 'splain to her how peaceful and whatnot her ancestors were. Almost as much fun as that time we were in a store and I said "Hey I got this for you" and handed her a blanket. The smacking was so so so worth it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 01:14 PM (VtjlW)

131 We definitely need more movies where brown people kill whites. Until the real thing can happen on a much larger scale, of course.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2014 01:14 PM (oFCZn)

132 Me either. My recollection is the book is more about Lutrells rescue and survival in the Afghan village by its inhabitants. At least that is what stuck with me.

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 05:06 PM (m2CN7)

 

 

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Nope.  The book covers everything.  From Luttrells first inkling that he wanted to become a SEAL, his training, and the fight.

 

In the book, the initial firefight happened on the rocky cliffs overlooking a village. 

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 01:14 PM (MB7Pi)

133 I'd love to see a conservative do an honest re-telling of the Robin Hood story. You know, robbing from the Government (king) and cronies(aristocrats) to give back to taxpayers(the poor).

 I mean, that's what Robin Hood was about. The king was raising all kinds of taxes on the people so he could live lavishly with his buddies. Robin Hood was an anti-tax person, damn it.

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at January 15, 2014 01:14 PM (ynzfm)

134 I just hate how  the idea of "slavery" as a subject matter and a historical fact , has come to mean  simply something that happened to black people in the USA. 

Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 15, 2014 01:14 PM (Vvdwr)

135 members of the Cherokee Nation held black slaves. But never let any go to waste. They used every part.

Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (2FLti)

136 Speaking of movies about slavery...could we get something about serfdom?

How about a knockout game movie?  I'm pretty sure that if gangs of white youths carried out hundreds of random, unprovoked attacks on innocent blacks, we'd have had many movies in the pipeline, a la the string of Iraq turkeys.

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (6TB1Z)

137

I never saw the movie but how did they depict the Rwanda genocide in Hotel Rwanda?

 

Did they blame the West?  Democrats/Lefties    conveniently forget they did nothing about that. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (m2CN7)

138 The (late, lamented) BFF was full blood Mohawk. It was hilarious when people would 'splain to her how peaceful and whatnot her ancestors were. Almost as much fun as that time we were in a store and I said "Hey I got this for you" and handed her a blanket. The smacking was so so so worth it. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 05:14 PM (VtjlW) Please, please tell me that at some point in your friendship you did a rain dance.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (GEICT)

139 "left-leaning critics widely condemned it as "torture porn."
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Big deal! So did I!

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (H84UO)

140 No one uses more unpaid interns than Hollywood. At least the olde time slave masters gave you food and shelter.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (DpEwG)

141 Plus the torture of captured pioneers. Does anyone think they learned those methods overnight?
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Among the Eastern tribes that the colonists first met the following was a pretty normal fate for a captured warrior:

1) As least your thumbs and perhaps all your fingers would be cut off (so you couldn't use a weapon).
2) You would be beaten
3) You would be placed in front of the tribe and told to sing and dance
4) Members of the tribe would would take sticks out of the campfire and randomly burn you with them.
5) Near day break, when you were at the end of your physical ability to entertain your captors, one of them would bludgeon you to death.

Note, this wasn't the worst fate - American Indians also burned captives to death and killed them by slowly cutting their flesh off too...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:16 PM (P3U0f)

142 133 Crazee (@Crazizzle) at January 15, 2014 05:14 PM (ynzfm)

Undermining the war effort...

you know since we're losing justified imagine a neo-western on those lines?

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 01:16 PM (TE35l)

143

Why do the Liberals...Democrats...keep bringing up the subject of slavery?

 

It was the Democrats who were against freeing the slaves.

It was a Republican who forced the Emancipation issue.

 

You'd think that the Donkeys wouldn't want the subject brought up anymore.

Posted by: wheatie at January 15, 2014 01:16 PM (wUr+i)

144 Oh God why did you have to bring up "Amistad"? I couldn't sleep for a long time after seeing that movie, I still try real hard not to think about it, and now it will be in my mind all evening...... I can take graphic stuff in movies, even thought I really try to avoid it, because I know it isn't real. But slavery WAS real, so even a movie depiction us too much for me. Same with Holocaust stuff. I actually own "Passion of the Christ" but haven't ever had the guts to watch it. Re: the double standard in movie reviews....meh.....I only would have been surprised if there wasn't such hypocrisy.

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at January 15, 2014 01:17 PM (1M/xn)

145 You forgot. "and they totally respected the environment all the time." Posted by: FenelonSpoke ---------------------------------------- The Crying Indian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7OHG7tHrNM

Posted by: Elinor at January 15, 2014 01:17 PM (TCqhy)

146 I just hate how the idea of "slavery" as a subject matter and a historical fact , has come to mean simply something that happened to black people in the USA. Victim status has value.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 01:17 PM (T0NGe)

147 My favourite story in this area is how Cortez defeated the Aztecs. It wasn't so much his guns or military genius...but the fact that the Aztecs had so brutally oppressed their neighbours that they were willing to send thousands of warriors to fight with the Spanish and bring down the Aztec Empire...

Cortez, a Study in COIN?  Hmmm ... think Calisle or CALL would publish it?

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:17 PM (4JkHl)

148 Jesus Christ?  Never heard of him.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 15, 2014 01:17 PM (Pr6hk)

149 I don't believe in actual Karma, but sometimes it seems like a soft version of karma is in force.

As long as it's clear that the folks who helped Cortez would likely have been every bit as bad as the Aztecs.  It's almost like human nature is immutable and is almost never an unalloyed good.  Gee, maybe that James Madison guy was onto something.

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 01:17 PM (6TB1Z)

150 Did the damn dirty scandi vikings take slaves, or did they just kill them all & let Odin sort 'em out?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 01:18 PM (b1/nQ)

151 143 wheatie at January 15, 2014 05:16 PM (wUr+i)

When is the last time a Republican from a Union state that is safe said, "Hey you're the party of Robert Fucking Byrd KKK assholes...my party from MY state ended slavery assholes with the help of black Republicans..."

??

get it?

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 01:18 PM (TE35l)

152 To me, in Gibson's Passion, the violence served a purpose. What he seemed to be doing was showcasing all of man's dark side. He was showing how bad man could be and as a result showing how great Christ's sacrifice for us was. However, it was not just violence, everything was on display: 1) Pilate in knowing that the charges are false and wanting to show mercy, condemns him anyway out of cowardice and political needs. 2) Peter rejecting Christ through cowardice. 3) The Pharisees agitating against Jesus because he is a threat to their power. 4) The fickleness of the populace in that they showered him with praise on Palm Sunday, but condemned him to death on Friday. 5) The venality (drunkenness) and casual cruelty of the soldiers. 6) The betrayal of Judas. At the time it came out I remember some saying that the movie was anti-Semitic. I always had a problem with that because it seemed to be seeing the trees while missing the forest. Gibson put himself in the movie as the person who nails Christ to the cross for a reason. He is saying EVERYONE is to blame and needs Christ's sacrifice. Not Jews OR Christians OR Muslims alone, but everyone. I do not mind graphic violence, as long as it serves a purpose.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 15, 2014 01:18 PM (TGgNi)

153 Note, this wasn't the worst fate - American Indians also burned captives to death

That scene in the Last of the Mohicans (90s version) always makes me want to throw up.

Posted by: Duesenberg J. Phaeton at January 15, 2014 01:18 PM (ZKzrr)

154 Edelstein on Lone Survivor Posted by: liverpool pathway at January 15, 2014 05:13 PM


Edelstein probably would be very popular in Muslim countries just because of that right there what with the religion of peace's tolerance and all.

Posted by: huerfano at January 15, 2014 01:18 PM (bAGA/)

155 The Cherokees were able to have their slaves and eat them too...

Posted by: JoeyBagels at January 15, 2014 01:19 PM (Vvdwr)

156 143 Why do the Liberals...Democrats...keep bringing up the subject of slavery?
It was the Democrats who were against freeing the slaves.
It was a Republican who forced the Emancipation issue.
You'd think that the Donkeys wouldn't want the subject brought up anymore.
Posted by: wheatie at January 15, 2014 05:16 PM (wUr+i)

I have a neighbor (died in the wool Dem) who acknowledges that history and recently commented "isn't it amazing how the parties have flip-flopped these last few years?"

Technically, this woman is highly educated.
In practice, she's dumber than a bag of hammers.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 15, 2014 01:19 PM (3Tv+N)

157

Instead, Berg leads you to the conclusion that these Americans were just too good, too true, too respectful. Luttrell’s operation — and his teams’ lives — might have been saved if they’d summarily executed three passing goat-herders rather than following the Rules of Engagement.

 

 

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This fight happened back in 2005.  The ROE's were quite different than what Dear Leader has forced on our military now.  They would have been fully justified for killing the goatherds (officially).  Those men spared them out of their hearts.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 01:19 PM (MB7Pi)

158 Query: Now that the press is allowed access to the returning caskets from our two wars, how often (after 2008, I mean) do we see these "harsh realities of war" in our press?

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 15, 2014 01:20 PM (nnkXw)

159 "How did the Iroquois become a major power? And by controlling the trade with the Europeans for things like knives and guns, used only for hunting. Per British regulations."

You spelled Iraqis wrong, you stupid wingnut.  Jeez, it's like you  don't care about brown people and history at all.  Read a book, man.

Posted by: Marty Sloggenclein from Someplace in Vermont at January 15, 2014 01:20 PM (4I3Uo)

160 143 Why do the Liberals...Democrats...keep bringing up the subject of slavery?


Because it keeps race front and center.in the national conversation and the Dems somehow benefit from that, their racist history non-withstanding.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 15, 2014 01:20 PM (DpEwG)

161 I do not mind graphic violence, as long as it serves a purpose. Posted by: Aetius451AD

It does.  Usually to increase box office.

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 01:20 PM (6TB1Z)

162 Stop interrupting the narrative, h8ters!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 01:21 PM (aDwsi)

163 Nope. The book covers everything. From Luttrells first inkling that he wanted to become a SEAL, his training, and the fight.

In the book, the initial firefight happened on the rocky cliffs overlooking a village.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 05:14 PM (MB7Pi)

 

Again,  I recall those parts as just a prelude to the brunt of the story which was his escape and time  in the Afghan village.    It may be a misperception  obtained  over a period of time, but that is the part of the book that stayed with me. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 01:21 PM (m2CN7)

164 Is it hard to watch? My gosh, yes, and not quite in the way that “Gravity” and “Lost” managed to make their parades of catastrophes simultaneously awful and compelling. Unlike those films, “Lone Survivor” is a loud and grinding affair, seemingly as intent on wearing down its audience as the Taliban is on the film’s heroes. At times, the violence is so unrelenting and fierce that it’s hard to believe that there’s anyone left alive, let alone with any bullets left to fire. What’s missing here is something, or rather, someone, to care about WaPo review of Lone Survivor

Posted by: liverpool pathway at January 15, 2014 01:21 PM (zOTsN)

165 I never saw the movie but how did they depict the Rwanda genocide in Hotel Rwanda?
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I remember having a Belgian, back in the day, tell me as an American I was responsible for the Rwandan genocide because Clinton could have sent in troops to stop it and did not.

I pointed out to the Euro-trash in question that Rwanda had been a Belgian colony, that Belgium had run it as a slave labor camp (akin to a NAZI German one, not a cotton plantation), and that part of the reason the ethnic groups hated each other was because of the way the Belgians had pitted them against each other so he could STFU.

After this he agreed that perhaps had was too simplistic to blame people outside of those directly involved in the killing...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:21 PM (P3U0f)

166 "I canÂ’t imagine a single person watching the subsequent wave upon wave of Taliban fighters with their RPGs and machine-guns and not thinking, If only the Americans had put two bullets in the head of each of those guys, theyÂ’d be home with their wives and kids today."

I was thinking more along the lines of dozen or so cluster munitions ...


Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:21 PM (4JkHl)

167 The fact that things start to go south after the team is discovered by a young Afghan goatherder, leading to an argument about whether to kill him, doesn’t do much to generate sympathy for these heroes. Even though the decision is ultimately made to let the kid go — a decision that Luttrell may have lived to regret — the fact that more than one of his pals seemed perfectly happy to shoot the child leaves a powerful, and lingeringly bad, aftertaste. more WaPo review

Posted by: liverpool pathway at January 15, 2014 01:22 PM (zOTsN)

168 I have a neighbor (died in the wool Dem) who acknowledges that history and recently commented "isn't it amazing how the parties have flip-flopped these last few years?" That's the standard leftist handwavey answer to their party's history. 1. The parties switch positions over time. 2. The "Southern Strategy" (usually this isn't even an argument, it's just magic words). 3. The left learned the lesson of history, and the right is now on the wrong side of history (unspoken: for not embracing leftism).

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 01:23 PM (P7Wsr)

169 12 There have been a lot of slavery-themed movies lately, huh? Wonder why that is....
Seems to have replaced the predictable McCarthism-themed movies that used to come out yearly.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 04:48 PM (POpqt)

 

Haven't you also noticed the escalation in rhetoric from the Left concerning slavery, "neo-confederates," etc.?  It started with "they gonna put y'all back in chains" and has gone downhill from there.  They're working overtime to tie every conservative to some kind of backhanded support for slavery or the Confederacy, or at least being "blind to the true horror," which will be the New Racism.  Oldest trick in the book.  Obama won't be on the ballot in November 2016 so they have to keep the black folks riled up and voting Democrat somehow.   

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2014 01:23 PM (Q4elb)

170 I remember having a Belgian, back in the day, tell me as an American I was responsible for the Rwandan genocide because Clinton could have sent in troops to stop it and did not. American Imperialism is to blame because we aren't imperialistic enough!

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 01:23 PM (T0NGe)

171 Leftists wage the Culture War with a degree of brutality, intensity, tenacity, and sadism which is always maximal.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:24 PM (DhGW2)

172 I'll be skipping the Slave movie thank you..... I get it, I get it.Slavery was abhorrent....That being said it's been over a hundred years so can we just move on?

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 15, 2014 01:24 PM (9+ccr)

173 I remember having a Belgian, back in the day, tell me as an American I was responsible for the Rwandan genocide because Clinton could have sent in troops to stop it and did not.

The Belgians couldn't send in troops because they spent all their money on their lazy socialist population.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:24 PM (4JkHl)

174 My rule with movie critics is that if they liked it, it's a shitty movie. If they hated, it's at least worth watching or, in fact, a good movie.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at January 15, 2014 01:24 PM (v+ojV)

175 The average human being alive today is a descendant of slaves. And slave-owners. Black Americans are just somewhat more recently enslaved. The word "slavery" comes from "slavs" because the Slavs were so commonly enslaved. It's like we started enslaving everyone from Texas and 200 years later the word Texan was a synonym for slave. My mama was born into Texanry, but I'm a Free Texan!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 01:24 PM (ZPrif)

176 You know what also leaves a lingering bad aftertaste? WaPo

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 01:24 PM (P6QsQ)

177 At the time it came out I remember some saying that the movie was anti-Semitic.
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Only a liberal could believe that the story of a Jew sacrificing his life to save the world could be anti-semitic...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:25 PM (P3U0f)

178 Fenelon - Pray for me. Leaving to attend a meeting re dealing with a nascent 'Reconciliation Ministry' that has gained a toehold in our church. I would not refer to it as a 'ministry' except to identify the group.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 01:25 PM (aDwsi)

179 I'll be skipping the Slave movie thank you..... I get it, I get it.Slavery was abhorrent....That being said it's been over a hundred years so can we just move on?

No.

Posted by: Race Baiting Poverty Pimps, Inc. at January 15, 2014 01:25 PM (wSrLR)

180 172 I'll be skipping the Slave movie thank you..... I get it, I get it.Slavery was abhorrent....That being said it's been over a hundred years so can we just move on? Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 15, 2014 05:24 PM (9+ccr) Not as long as you've got a dollar in your wallet, cracker.

Posted by: Professional Victims at January 15, 2014 01:26 PM (oFCZn)

181 Critics are always complaining about movies being dumbed down to fit into a PG-13 hole, now we have movies like Lone Survivor, Passion of the Christ (highest grossing R-rated movie ever). Suddenly every critic starts complaining about the violence.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 15, 2014 01:26 PM (WdbF7)

182

@43 Also, I never comprehended the objections to the Passion of the Christ showing the, um, Passion of the Christ. It's kind of like how critics were shocked and amazed that Apocalypto was super violent. No. A movie about the Mayans was violent? Get out of here.

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Oh, please.  Only White People have ever been super violent.

 

Posted by: junior at January 15, 2014 01:26 PM (UWFpX)

183 the fact that more than one of his pals seemed perfectly happy to shoot the child leaves a powerful, and lingeringly bad, aftertaste. ------ The writers response to that situation would be to curl in the fetal position and cry. And that's why he/she is a "journalist".

Posted by: Adam at January 15, 2014 01:26 PM (Aif/5)

184 Most tribes had no concept of the ownership of land, it's true... Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 05:04 PM (T0NGe) That's not exactly true. The Indians like most aboriginal tribes had a concept of tribal land. The borders of which were fiercely defended against other tribes. With transgressors severely punished. The movie "Black Robe" gives a pretty good accounting of this, should you wish to see it. Anybody remotely interested in slavery should read Hugh Thomas' masterful history, "The Slave Trade" for the truth. Spoiler: African slavery was an African and Muslim dealio that the Americans bought into. So, you know, shame all around. As extra food for thought- where is the population of black descendants of slaves in Middle Eastern countries who were importing them well before the Americas? They ain't there. (Hint:above ground anyway) Kind of makes the whole Black Muslim thing look extra stupid.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 15, 2014 01:26 PM (0cMkb)

185 There was some 60s black radical group in the US who would punish people by lashing them. A woman editor of their radical rag was late getting the copy to the printer so she was taken down to the basement, stripped to the waste and given 12 lashes. Can you believe that shit? Sickos.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (Qev5V)

186 150 Did the damn dirty scandi vikings take slaves, or did they just kill them all & let Odin sort 'em out? Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 05:18 PM (b1/nQ) -------------------- They were big slave traders, mostly capturing Slavs and selling them to the Byzantines and other Mediterranean powers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (dfYL9)

187 "Lone Survivor" is a very good movie. Very harrowing. The ending, before the credits rolled, was deeply moving. You could have heard a pin drop in the theater.

But what floors is how a critic could say that the movie is "brown people bad" when it's an Afghan who saves the life of the lone surviving SEAL - and puts his life, and the lives of his wife and son and everyone else in the village, at risk to defend him against the Taliban? Did this idiot even *watch* the film?

To be fair, Ben Sachs in the far-left Chicago Reader, gave the movie a thoughtful, and positive, review.

Posted by: Brown Line at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (VrNoa)

188 American Imperialism is to blame because we aren't imperialistic enough! If we stay out of any situation a Euro wants us in: We're isolationists. If we go into any situation a Euro wants us out of: We're interventionists. A Euro reserves the right to change their mind about whether they want us in or out of a place at any time.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (P7Wsr)

189 I'll be skipping the Slave movie thank you..... I get it, I get it.Slavery was abhorrent....That being said it's been over a hundred years so can we just move on?
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Slavery, apparently unlike the Constitution, can be understood even though it is like 100 years old - right Ezra Klein?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (P3U0f)

190 This is a movie in three acts, with three competing agendas. It creates macho-men stereotypes to earn sympathy for men occupying a country most of whose inhabitants donÂ’t want them. It then explodes the fantasy of an all-potent U.S. military through the muddle and screwups that can plague any large operation. Finally, it embraces another convention of war movies: civilians so grateful for the intervention of an American soldier that they give him refuge and the means of escape. You are welcome to accept any of these propositions, but itÂ’s hard to buy all three. more That these events actually happened doesnÂ’t necessarily make it plausible or powerful in a movie, or keep it from seeming like convenient propaganda. from Time magazine, who apparently doesn't want to be burdened with the truth

Posted by: liverpool pathway at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (zOTsN)

191 I live in LA and don't even want to watch what I presume would be a good movie - "42" - because I am just tired of the incessant browbeating of race politics. And don't even get me started on the slanderous "The Butler."

Posted by: Chris M at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (+7Usq)

192 This sort of crap is why I demur from the school of thought which says "the right wing simply MUST actively engage within the sphere of entertainment/pop culture".

That sphere operates according to rigged rules. It has for decades. It's one of the first areas that the 1960s campus radicals targeted for their "long march through the institutions". With overwhelming success.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 15, 2014 01:27 PM (gqT4g)

193 Ace, great day at the HQ. 

I am in Vail, skiing.  Came in to check the posts and I am simply amazed at how much fun they all are.

Good work!

Off to the hot tub, eat your hearts out.

Posted by: Nip Sip at January 15, 2014 01:28 PM (tWFaN)

194 I never saw the movie but how did they depict the Rwanda genocide in Hotel Rwanda? Did they blame the West? Democrats/Lefties conveniently forget they did nothing about that. *** IIRC, the UN took the hit on that one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 01:28 PM (DmNpO)

195 I hate these pussy reviewers

Posted by: liverpool pathway at January 15, 2014 01:28 PM (zOTsN)

196 Someone here has pointed out that the average black person is more likely to be a descendant of slave owners than the average white person. Ergo, reparations should be paid by black folk. But, you know, logic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 01:28 PM (aDwsi)

197 By far the worst part of slavery was when White slave owners would tear Black slaves apart, limb by limb, in an incredibly sadistic process merely because they could, and wanted to. Because it was "convenient."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:28 PM (DhGW2)

198 "WhatÂ’s missing here is something, or rather, someone, to care about."

They stole that from my review of 12 Years a Slave!


Posted by: Dang at January 15, 2014 01:28 PM (MNq6o)

199 So the Libs go to see these movies to do their penance or something? When it's over they can say "I feel their pain."It's all about feelings with this bunch... Pathetic...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (9+ccr)

200 Please, please tell me that at some point in your friendship you did a rain dance. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 05:15 PM (GEICT) Sadly no. Mainly because every time I started to do so, she tripped me. Moar BFF story time. So. We're watching The Incredibles at her house and she hadn't seen it yet for some weird reason. Edna Mode shows up and she is side eyeing me. I ignore this. Then the part where Edna is comforting Elastigirl comes on and she falls off the couch laughing and starts pointing at me from the floor wheezing "It's you! It's you!" As she said, she was fine until the whapping started. (For those of you who don't know the scene here it is: http://youtu.be/eLDWhn8HZfY) [ It is theoretically possible that such a scene bears some minor resemblance to me dealing with Boy BFF's whining. Possibly. In passing. ]

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (VtjlW)

201 Were there a bunch of abused Irish movies when JFK was in office - bigotry, worked to death on canals and railroads, coffin ships ...

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (4JkHl)

202 I have a neighbor (died in the wool Dem) who acknowledges that history and recently commented "isn't it amazing how the parties have flip-flopped these last few years?"

Technically, this woman is highly educated.
In practice, she's dumber than a bag of hammers.

Posted by: jwb7605 at January 15, 2014 05:19 PM (3Tv+N)

Isn't that basically how Dems explain their history whenever they're forced to acknowledge it? They say it started with Nixon and the "southern strategy" and played to disillusioned dems that hated blacks and "Boom! All those down south racists mad at us for being so damn awesome became Republicans". That's the comforting fairy tale they tell themselves, anyways.

 

Posted by: Crazee (@Crazizzle) at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (ynzfm)

203 There was some 60s black radical group in the US who would punish people by lashing them.

Wasn't the dude who invented Kwanzaa involved in that?

Posted by: Duesenberg J. Phaeton at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (ZKzrr)

204 That these events actually happened doesnÂ’t necessarily make it plausible or powerful in a movie, or keep it from seeming like convenient propaganda.

To the left, facts are unimportant, only the narrative matters.

So, when the real world disagrees with what they "know" is correct they reject reality...and substitute their own...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (P3U0f)

205 stripped to the waste They didn't stop tearing at her until they saw the insides of her intestines!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 15, 2014 01:29 PM (P7Wsr)

206 Did this idiot even *watch* the film? I have to wonder...do you think these guys get a DVD preview copy and are only half-watching? 'Cause I do.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 01:30 PM (T0NGe)

207

2) Peter rejecting Christ through cowardice.

Poor Peter had no chance.  Christ told him that he was going to do it beforehand.  

 

In regard to killing the goatherders,  when I read the book I thought that I hope that they have now  prepared  any future missions for this type of scenario by supplying them with a knock out drug or something.   I wondered why they just didn't tie him up somewhere to be discovered later .   That at least would have given them some time. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 01:30 PM (m2CN7)

208 Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 05:25 PM (aDwsi) Grace and peace be with you, Mike. I will pray.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 01:30 PM (7kkQJ)

209 No mystery,it's just the same old hypocrisy of the left,they are nothing if not consistent.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 01:30 PM (zqvg6)

210

@149 As long as it's clear that the folks who helped Cortez would likely have been every bit as bad as the Aztecs. It's almost like human nature is immutable and is almost never an unalloyed good. Gee, maybe that James Madison guy was onto something.

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One of my favorite bits of video game political correctness involves the game Age of Empires III.  Among the other bits of sillyness (a Russian army marching across the American Mid-West during the middle of winter at the same time as the American War of Independence), there's a mission in which the protagonist protects a bunch of Aztec temples against the EEEEVVILLLL!!!!! Spanish Conquistadors.

 

Posted by: junior at January 15, 2014 01:31 PM (UWFpX)

211 The Wikipedia picture that shows a black slave with horrible scars on his back from whipping was part of the media campaign of the Abolitionist movement. That was actually quite difficult to get because it was not at all a common punishment. It didn't have to be. The slaves knew that sort of vicious punishment was possible, especially if sold to a more vicious owner. That extreme punishment was rare, and effective as a terror tactic to keep slaves in line. As the Abolitionists worked their media campaign to build up opposition against slavery they had trouble because the majority of slaves never received that sort of mistreatment, especially on the plantations of the well respected slave-owners. So when people visited plantations they didn't see the horror stories the Abolitionists talked about. The horrific abuses happened, of course. But they were much rarer than we think today. The goal was to terrorize the slaves into compliance. And it worked. The typical slave-owner wouldn't countenance such brutality -- but they knew it existed and, of course, could use the threat of selling a troublesome slave to a crueler master as a threat. So even the owners who would never be so cruel benefited from the cruelty of the more sadistic owners. Today our image is just constant daily beatings and whippings. That wasn't the case. But looking at the complex reality of American Slavery is not allowed today. It was just constant Pure Hitler Evil 24/7. Kind of the way every black-white mating in those days is now considered just violent rape and never, say, a young teenage son of the owner meeting the young teenage daughter of a slave and doing what teenagers do. Obviously there was rape. But there was also just the normal thing that happens when teenagers sneak off behind the barn after the fall harvest.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 15, 2014 01:31 PM (ZPrif)

212 Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 05:29 PM (VtjlW) I will give you one, and only one, guess as to what movie the youngest drunken midget and I are watching right now.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 01:32 PM (GEICT)

213 They say it started with Nixon
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You can have a lot of fun with liberals when you point out to them that Nixon was a liberal. In the 1960 election, JFK was the more conservative candidate...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:32 PM (P3U0f)

214 So the Libs go to see these movies to do their penance or something?

Penance?  No, they do it to mark social status, IOW "more sensitive than thou".  If they couldn't talk about how moved they were by the whole thing, and how they "get" why blacks are so angry, they wouldn't waste the coin.

Posted by: pep at January 15, 2014 01:33 PM (6TB1Z)

215 Art should strive to be decent and up-lifting. To serve a moral purpose and to improve society and the individuals internalizing it. But as far as Leftism is concerned, it's all about breaking people until they finally yield and become politically-correct zombies.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:33 PM (DhGW2)

216 The founder of Kwanzaa: Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters."[16]

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 01:33 PM (7kkQJ)

217 reminds me of the earlier thread.  Muslim slavery of blacks good.  White slavery of blacks bad.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at January 15, 2014 01:33 PM (V70Uh)

218 Willing and eager serfs on the Leftist plantation. New Soviet Men.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:33 PM (DhGW2)

219 In regards to slavery movies and such, the Left keeps rehashing old wounds over and over again, wanting people to pay for their sins. Yet when Someone actually does that, they reject Him. Odd.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 01:33 PM (P6QsQ)

220 @133 Try watching Ridley Scott's "Robin Hood" starring Russell Crowe and Cate Blanchett. That's exactly what they portrayed. Plus you get the nobles trying to get King John to sign the Magna Carta. Freedom baby, its what's for dinner!

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at January 15, 2014 01:34 PM (1M/xn)

221 Another thing that gets me is I remember a video a few years ago of Chunk Uygur talking about an Apache gun cam video showing it wipe out about a dozen Taliban fighter. He said something along the lines of, It doesn't make me happy watching this but you have to remember these are bad people. They cut peoples heads off for no reason and that's not some propaganda talking point, it's the truth. When Chunk gets it......

Posted by: Adam at January 15, 2014 01:34 PM (Aif/5)

222 The founder of Kwanzaa: Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters."[16] Karenga, originally Rodney Everitt was a member of the black power movement.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 01:34 PM (7kkQJ)

223 Posted by: Flatbush Joe

The British Navy was whippin' crackahs.

Posted by: Dang at January 15, 2014 01:34 PM (MNq6o)

224 there's a mission in which the protagonist protects a bunch of Aztec temples against the EEEEVVILLLL!!!!! Spanish Conquistadors.
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Dude, we have a right to choose rip the beatings hearts out of captives. Take your fundie shit somewhere else.

Posted by: Some Aztec at January 15, 2014 01:34 PM (P3U0f)

225 “Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for jihadis, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That jihadji’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don’t want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to! some liberties taken

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (zOTsN)

226
Best thing that could ever be done to Hollywood is end their tax breaks.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (n0DEs)

227 Leftism also has another obsession. It always picks on the "defeated." Always punching down. Inflicting pain on those who, in some sense, have "lost history."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (DhGW2)

228 221 Well,Obama was president so it is okay.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (zqvg6)

229 Simple economics would all but mandate that you savagely kill as many slaves as possible, because - Profit!

Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (2FLti)

230 I will give you one, and only one, guess as to what movie the youngest drunken midget and I are watching right now. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 05:32 PM (GEICT) *buffs nails* I am just that awesome.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (VtjlW)

231 160 143
Why do the Liberals...Democrats...keep bringing up the subject of slavery?


Because it keeps race front and center.in the national conversation and the Dems somehow benefit from that, their racist history non-withstanding.

 

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 15, 2014 05:20 PM (DpEwG)

 

Helps feed the demand for reparations, for one thing.  Which is what most of Obama's policies actually are.

 

For another thing, the hate-America progs believe America can NEVER live down the taint of slavery.  Bringing it up over and over again is supposed to remind every new generation of Americans that our great nation was built on the backs of slaves and that makes the whole enterprise illegitimate.  They never acknowldge that almost a half-million white men died to end slavery, the South was laid waste and impoverished for generations, the Constitution was amended three times etc. 

 

And Democrats always find it politically useful to rile up black voters about slavery.  Remember in 2000, at the end of the camapign Al Gore made a speech in which he said "every time a Republican talks about honoring the Constitution, I am reminded of the part of that Constitution that said black people were only 3/5 of a person."  Similar comments have been made recently by MSNBC commentators and Democrat pols in response to the Tea Party and conservative groups that stress a return to Constitutional principals and states' rights. 

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2014 01:35 PM (Q4elb)

232 "They also were hit on the heads with toasters."  Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Now I want some Pop Tarts.

Posted by: Dang at January 15, 2014 01:36 PM (MNq6o)

233 When the "critics" come all over themselves for certain movies such as this it's the kiss of death for me. I'm evidently not alone because their fav "victim" films usually bomb...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 15, 2014 01:36 PM (9+ccr)

234 I am just that awesome. Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 05:35 PM (VtjlW) Indeed. Btw, you ever get a chance to check out the twitter feed we were discussing earlier?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 01:37 PM (GEICT)

235 Everyone knows the world should only be seen through simplistic lenses requiring little or no virtue or intelligence. It's too hard otherwise, and all of us slackers might actually be required to contribute something beyond where to get good sushi.

Posted by: MTF at January 15, 2014 01:37 PM (F58x4)

236 Things would certainly go much better if Leftists could learn to embrace Christianity and to let go of the past and its various transgressions.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:38 PM (DhGW2)

237 Why do they support 'X'? Because they're Democrats, and 'X' supports Democrats. It's no more complex than that, and it goes a lot farther than this particular movie review.

Posted by: --- at January 15, 2014 01:38 PM (MMC8r)

238 I will give you one, and only one, guess as to what movie the youngest drunken midget and I are watching right now. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 05:32 PM (GEICT) Hopefully not "The Passion Of The Christ". ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 01:38 PM (7kkQJ)

239 By far the worst part of slavery was when White slave owners would tear Black slaves apart, limb by limb, in an incredibly sadistic process merely because they could, and wanted to. Because it was "convenient."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 05:28 PM (DhGW2)

 

 

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I'm sure that shit like this happened.  And it's  unforgivable.  BUT,  contrary to popular belief, most  slaves were treated decently.  After all, they were major monetary investments by the owner and that owner depended on them to plant and harvest their crops.  I can't see a modern farmer running a $250,000 combine off a cliff just for shits and giggles.

 

Slavery was a dark mark on this nation, don't get me wrong.   But we corrected it with a very high cost in white blood.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 01:39 PM (MB7Pi)

240 "Things would certainly go much better if Leftists could learn to embrace Christianity and to let go of the past and its various transgressions. Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney"

or just fly to Syria and explain to al-Nursa how they should be nicer to everyone and how that and some aromatherapy will make them complete.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:39 PM (4JkHl)

241 Hopefully not "The Passion Of The Christ". ;^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 05:38 PM (7kkQJ) LOL No. Most assuredly not.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Irish at January 15, 2014 01:40 PM (GEICT)

242 But forgiveness and grace seem to be beyond them. Unscientific. Christianistic. Old and busted. Not like sadism and cruelty. Those are definitely scientific. Humane. 'Enlightened.' Progressive.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:41 PM (DhGW2)

243 or just fly to Syria and explain to al-Nursa how they should be nicer to everyone and how that and some aromatherapy will make them complete.
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Let me treat you to the smell of our new Sarin scented  candles. You just sit right here and I'll be back in 5-10 minutes ok infidel, uh, friend?

Posted by: Some Syrian Jihadi at January 15, 2014 01:42 PM (P3U0f)

244 239 He's referring to abortion,the lefts blessed sacrament.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 01:42 PM (zqvg6)

245 By far the worst part of slavery was when White slave owners would tear Black slaves apart, limb by limb, in an incredibly sadistic process merely because they could, and wanted to. Because it was "convenient."
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 05:28 PM (DhGW2)


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I'm sure that shit like this happened. And it's unforgivable. BUT, contrary to popular belief, most slaves were treated decently. After all, they were major monetary investments by the owner and that owner depended on them to plant and harvest their crops. I can't see a modern farmer running a $250,000 combine off a cliff just for shits and giggles.

Slavery was a dark mark on this nation, don't get me wrong. But we corrected it with a very high cost in white blood.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 05:39 PM (MB7Pi)



Mirror Universe Romney was referring to Abortion in a fairly roundabout way.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 15, 2014 01:42 PM (TM1p8)

246 The critics also told me that "Her" was going to be AWESOME! when in fact it was a boring emo-fest. And only Steve Sailer was brave enough to note that the protagonist was probably only enslaved in the first place because he was playing the "skin game" con. Well, the only one today. Lots of people suspected at the time. Including perhaps his fellow slaves, who didn't do shit to help him escape or even slip a letter out.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 15, 2014 01:42 PM (ZRWZG)

247 @ 191 Chris M If you have any live for the game at all please watch "42". I have seen it twice. It was really good, and its the best thing Harrison Ford has ever done. We used to live down the street from the house in Delaware, Ohio where Branch Rickey made the decision to try to get Jackie into the majors.

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at January 15, 2014 01:42 PM (1M/xn)

248 Protagonist of 12 Years, I meant.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 15, 2014 01:43 PM (ZRWZG)

249 While the left abhors slavery( particularly US slavery in the South) they just love them some dismembered babies.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 01:44 PM (zqvg6)

250 And given how much blood and sin Communists and other Leftists have accumulated upon their hands and souls, the whole thing is so imbecilic. But it wouldn't be Leftism were it not.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:44 PM (DhGW2)

251 The Nixonian "Southern Strategy" is an easier lie then the truth of being bought-off like cheap whores by a racist LBJ.

Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 01:44 PM (4JkHl)

252

 or just fly to Syria and explain to al-Nursa how they should be nicer to
everyone and how that and some aromatherapy will make them complete.

 

 

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I was thinking more like "high colonics".

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2014 01:45 PM (MB7Pi)

253 If the Left must make movies about slavery ... ... how about doing one on the current situation and trades in Khartoum, Sudan? http://www.gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Sudan.htm

Posted by: Arbalest at January 15, 2014 01:46 PM (FlRtG)

254 OT The former federal prosecutor who brought down Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich will investigate the “Bridgegate” scandal engulfing New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Democrats in the New Jersey Assembly announced Wednesday

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

255 While the left abhors slavery( particularly US slavery in the South)
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The left isn't so opposed to slavery in general actually. Should the the governmental elite have the right to take the profits of your labors for their own good and punish you if you object? Liberals say yes...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 01:47 PM (P3U0f)

256 That's the standard leftist handwavey answer to their party's history. 1. The parties switch positions over time. 2. The "Southern Strategy" (usually this isn't even an argument, it's just magic words). 3. The left learned the lesson of history, and the right is now on the wrong side of history (unspoken: for not embracing leftism). Posted by: bonhomme at January 15, 2014 05:23 PM (P7Wsr) I find the "Southern Strategy" argument really funny. If Nixon had been succesful in that, Carter would not have won in 76, Reagan would have won the South in 80 (hint, he didnt). While Reagan and Bush 1 won the South in 84 and 88, it was because of landslides, not Southern Strategy. Clinton even won some of the South in 92 and 96 again blowing a hole in the argument. Only in 2000 and 04 did the GOP candidate sweep the South, and that was because a Southerner was running. The areas of Virginia that were the only GOP areas 50+ years ago, are still GOP dominated areas. Local governments are still Dem dominated, although the GOP has made some inroads, but that is more because of patronage than anything else.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 15, 2014 01:47 PM (BXLPR)

257 I think that it is an irreparable breach between the right and the left.  The left views the military as murdering war criminals and celebrities, sports stars, entertainers etc. who come out as homosexual as heroes for daring to face up to nasty things people say about them on Twitter.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2014 01:48 PM (XUKZU)

258 Keep your morality away from our Brutality!

I mean, uh...Choice! Don't push your beliefs on us, you religious freaks. The Supreme Court has decided we have a constitutional right to slavery, so you're just being hateful bigots. If you don't like slavery, don't own a slave. Choice!



Posted by: Pro Choice on Slavery! at January 15, 2014 01:49 PM (ynzfm)

259 Did the damn dirty scandi vikings take slaves, or did they just kill them all & let Odin sort 'em out? Most of that raiding was done to grab slaves, who then could be ransomed or sold. So yes, they took slaves. Many, many slaves.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 15, 2014 01:49 PM (gVtdw)

260 And, of course, the whole thing about Bush and Iraq and the Arabs. Bush did everything in his power to make life better for the Arabs and the Afghans. To give them a real future. A decent future. But for Bolsheviks, it's always 1940 and every fucking war is Operation Barbarossa and their hatred for militarism and "militarists" has no real reason to it. It's merely a manifestation of a desire to hate. Hatred for hatred's sake.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:50 PM (DhGW2)

261 Sandra Fluke: hero.

Audie Murphy: murderer.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 15, 2014 01:50 PM (XUKZU)

262 When I was doing my Christmas shopping I was thinking of those 1970s/1980s spin-off porn movies that had titles like recent mainstream movie releases.  Like when Top Gun was out there was one in the movies listings at the gross theater called Top Buns or something.

So...

Iron Man Threesome

Pacific Trim

12 Inches a Slave

The Devil's Dude (probably gay porn)

The Nut Job (no change needed)

The Rump Ranger (surely gay porn)

Lee Daniel's The Butt



Posted by: Dang at January 15, 2014 01:51 PM (MNq6o)

263 Sandra Fluke: hero.

Audie Murphy: murderer.
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I finish off more men before breakfast then that Murphy guy took on in a whole war.

Posted by: Sandra FLuke at January 15, 2014 01:51 PM (P3U0f)

264 But that's pretty much all Leftism is. Hatred for hatred's sake. Hatred for those perceived to be somehow morally defective. Whether kulaks or soldiers or political or "life style" opponents in general.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:52 PM (DhGW2)

265  The left believes taking money from workers by force in order to fund the government living lavishly isn't akin to slavery at all.

 But voluntarily working at minimum wage is modern day slavery.

Posted by: Crazee(@Crazizzle) at January 15, 2014 01:54 PM (ynzfm)

266 And what good could ever come from that sort of mind set. Of pure, mindless sadism. Of pure Nihilism. Of pure Atheism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:55 PM (DhGW2)

267

@249While the left abhors slavery( particularly US slavery in the South) they just love them some dismembered babies.

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The Left only abhors slavery when Whites own non-White slaves.

 

The same people who applaud the brutality of 12 Years probably decried the much less extreme violence in Taken.

 

Posted by: junior at January 15, 2014 01:55 PM (UWFpX)

268 Leftism sets out to be as cruel and counterproductive as possible, and succeeds. But that's not much of an accomplishment.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 01:57 PM (DhGW2)

269 222 The founder of Kwanzaa: Deborah Jones, who once was given the Swahili title of an African queen, said she and Gail Davis were whipped with an electrical cord and beaten with a karate baton after being ordered to remove their clothes. She testified that a hot soldering iron was placed in Miss Davis' mouth and placed against Miss Davis' face and that one of her own big toes was tightened in a vise. Karenga, head of US, also put detergent and running hoses in their mouths, she said. They also were hit on the heads with toasters."[16] Karenga, originally Rodney Everitt was a member of the black power movement. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 05:34 PM (7kkQJ) Shit, I do that before lunch on Tuesdays.

Posted by: Ike Turner at January 15, 2014 01:58 PM (BXLPR)

270 "After this he agreed that perhaps [it] was too simplistic to blame people outside of those directly involved in the killing.."
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So the Belgian waffled?

Posted by: Kensington at January 15, 2014 01:58 PM (H84UO)

271 But there is a sort of consistency to that. After all, Leftism detests accomplishment.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 02:00 PM (DhGW2)

272 Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 05:46 PM (zOTsN) Hey. let's bring a Republican Gov down over a punitive use of power but not do a darn thing about punitive uses of power by the Obama admin towards the Tea Party or the death of an ambassador and soldiers in Libya..

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 02:06 PM (7kkQJ)

273 But that condemns Leftism's success to always being paradoxical. And Leftism offers no means of reconciling, resolving, or escaping that paradox. Dialectical thinking doesn't really amount to much, after all, especially in its Marxist bastardization, and contemporary Leftists can't even really engage even in that. But, Progress. Glorious Progress. Marx volt! Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 15, 2014 02:07 PM (DhGW2)

274 The critics are so harsh against movies such as Passion of the Christ and Lone Survivor because they are terrified that some of the democratic hive might just see and begin to think for themselves. You know they can't have that remember the truth will set you free and they know it. That's why it's so important for them to steer their own away from these movies.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 15, 2014 02:09 PM (GKF3X)

275 Django sucked because Jamie Foxx is a lousy actor.  Even Westley Snipes would have classed this POS up by an order of magnitude.

Posted by: Fritz at January 15, 2014 02:16 PM (UzPAd)

276 Ummm, can we do something here, and NOT judge movies based on their fans?

Because 12 Years a Slave is outstanding.  I don't care if racist Leftist tools co-opt it for their own misery-peddling-- the film is excellent, powerful, and a tremendous *American* story of hope and perseverance in the face of unspeakable horror.

You know, just like Lone Survivor, which is also outstanding, albeit for very different reason.

There's absolutely no need to play the game of the stupid people.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 15, 2014 02:25 PM (Ed+yP)

277

"35  I'll at least half agree with the critic. I haven't seen PofTC, but from what I've been told...

 

**Sigh**  But,like he critic, you hve your uninformed opinion, don'cha?

 

Christ Passion is central to redemptive Christianity. 

Posted by: Havildar - Major at January 15, 2014 02:27 PM (kduZC)

278 I'll at least half agree with the critic. I haven't seen PofTC, but from what I've been told, it is wall-to-wall violence, for which I have no interest in paying. --- It's been a while since I've seen it, but as I recall, it wasn't bad at all, and I can't stand realistic depictions of violence. It certainly hammers home the suffering He underwent. "Wall-to-wall violence"? No, it wasn't.

Posted by: whoever at January 15, 2014 02:27 PM (zu9Ee)

279 `

Posted by: --- at January 15, 2014 02:52 PM (MMC8r)

280 Mollie hit the mark. The other week, Drudge linked a headline re: Hollywood going all out to make Bible story movies. The author wrote something to the effect, "new Hollywood Bible movies given the precedence of Gibson's somewhat financial success with "The Passion." To which I thought... The Passion was not simply a strong financial success, but an artistic achievement not accomplished by any prior Bible story movie that I've ever seen before. The new crop of Bible story movies will NOT stay strictly representing canonic text without major deviations. Whereas, Gibson's "The Passion" story from scripture stayed true to the sacred text. And for all the crap heaped on Gibson for being human by jealous personalities, for all his human failings, he stayed true to his dedicated cause in his work to produce "The Passion" -- for the integrity of The Word which he believes Truth. It was a matter of principle to see The Passion, at least the once. But it hurt to watch, too much hurt to watch again. Those who would see that much cruelty delivered by people against another person or tribe of people, and revel in the blood letting, count me out. At least we've been warned of the Brutality in The Slave. And only to the extent that this sort of brutality yet gets dished out would it make sense to portray such. Not that in the portrayal the human trafficking is hindered or halted. And I'm not about to go see it. Neither am I supporting slavery of any sort. Blood Diamond movie didn't stop people from buying diamonds, opt for cubic zirconia on moral principle. Where are "the beautiful people" on THAT, for instance, when they get decked out for a night on the town, or to impress a lover with bling? Same with furs. For a while, the animal activists actually made an impact. But furs are all the more popular on runways and on the beautiful people, again. So? What goes round is hypocrisy and vanity.

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 15, 2014 03:11 PM (MhA4j)

281 There is not a more loathsome set of fey, self absorbed, fart sniffing twats than film reviewers. I read some of the faux thoughtful tripe on Rotten Tomatoes about "Lone Survivor" and it made me want to fucking puke. These maggots are so emasculated by valiant men that they have to sneer and dismiss any piece of art that doesn't potray soldiers as psychos or dupes as "jingoistic". Go get fucked, you crowd of nancies.

Posted by: UGAdawg at January 15, 2014 03:26 PM (e/9tl)

282 236 Things would certainly go much better if Leftists could learn to embrace Christianity and to let go of the past and its various transgressions.     There was a time, not long ago, of a muscular,non apologetic and protective Christianity made up of groups devoted to protecting their brothers and sisters in Christ.  Templars and Hospitallars. Devoted to protecting Chistian travellers and pilgrims on the way to and in the Holy Land.  Protect them from murder, roberry and slavery from Muslims.  History hasnt changed much.    Regina Martyrum Ora Pro Nobis    

Posted by: Havildar - Major at January 15, 2014 03:47 PM (kduZC)

283 sock off

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 15, 2014 04:25 PM (g4TxM)

284 Progressives are married to the "Brown people!" narrative.  I know Left-leaning websites that have punished people for using it, so even some of them are a bit sick of it.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 15, 2014 05:05 PM (qiXMt)

285 In law, this is called unequal application of a facially neutral standard. The point is to have a standard that sounds neutral, but to apply it in such a way as to create an discriminatory result.

Posted by: JohnJ at January 15, 2014 06:16 PM (TF/YA)

286 Torture porn is not movies with torture in them. It's movies in which the violence has no redeeming value or artistic meaning. These reviewers take it as a given that Christ's suffering and death are meaning or redemptive value.

Posted by: Dave M at January 16, 2014 02:19 PM (KuiG4)

287 Socoalist love their hypocrisy, also love of wickedness.  Justify the wicked, and nullify the good.  Just as they have in America, expell Christianity and usher in jihad, i mean Islam.
Notice how evil and wicked they bawl about slavery used to be practiced in America, and ignore Islam STILL practices SLAVERY, IGNORED.

Posted by: ron n. at January 18, 2014 09:07 AM (c7HxG)

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