January 19, 2014
— andy "It is well that war is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it." ~ Robert E. Lee

The film in one word: Intense
My Moron recommendation: 5 Ewoks. It's a must-see!
But first some background, in order to properly frame the review.
I first met Marcus Luttrell in 2008. We brought him up to Boston for a fundraiser for my son's autism school, which had just moved to a much larger location. Funds were critical to getting it up and running, with the big auction item at the event being naming rights to the playground that was on the drawing board.
I didn't really think the tie-in would work that well - it's Boston not Beaumont, and what does a Navy SEAL's experience have to do with working with kids with autism anyway? - but, hey, the book was a best-seller at the time and the school was founded by a Navy brat, so what the hell?
The house was packed to listen to Marcus speak, and speak he did, relaying the tale of the lone survivor. Hearing him tell the story in person, at points pantomiming an imaginary M4 in his hands as he's describing the firefight, made a lasting impression on everyone in the room including my little brother, now a 2nd Lieutenant in the Army, who I brought up from Georgia to meet Marcus.
Before the program started we talked a little about the movie, which was just at the concept stage at that point. Marcus was concerned that any movie wouldn't do justice to his teammates and the story. It took nearly 6 years from then, and the film went through fits and starts of casting and funding, but the ultimate outcome couldn't have been a better tribute to the memories of his fallen brothers.
The Movie
One of the complaints about the film you'll see from Professional Movie Critics is the shallowness of character development. And that’s a fair criticism if you view the film through the eyes of a naïve audience that knows nothing about the story and also can't get quickly up to speed.
But in a film divided neatly into three parts: pre-firefight, firefight, rescue, thereÂ’s only so much time to get to know the characters, and I think they did a good job with it in broad strokes. Before Spartan 01 boards the helicopters bound for Kunar, you get the idea that theyÂ’re highly motivated and trained (opening footage of SEAL training), have people they love back home and want to return to (instant messaging, etc.) and are a tight-knit group (induction of new team member SO2 Shane Patton).
Character status: DEVELOPED
My only critique in this area is that, other than LCDR Erik Kristensen and SO2 Patton, we never really meet the rest of the SEALs like SO2 James Suh and others who died in the helicopter crash and are mentioned in the book. Limitations of time and all, but I wish theyÂ’d been able to put the spotlight on everyone (including the ArmyÂ’s 160th SOAR helicopter crew), however briefly.
Because the movie focuses so much on the firefight, the pacing is rushed to get there. But, man, when you get there Â…
The Chicago Tribune’s John Kass did a great job of talking about “realism” in war movies (well, actually his father did):
Like many of you, I'd heard the buzz about "Lone Survivor," with some early reviews talking about the realism, although how the hell would they know? Realism in a war movie? My father had an answer when we'd ask him to watch a war movie on TV."Put on Bob Hope," he'd say, mentioning a comedian of another age.
My father spent almost a decade fighting, first in World War II, in the Albanian mountains in the snow against the Italians and the Germans. He survived the Nazi occupation when the Germans forced starvation of Athens. Then came more fighting in the terrible civil war against the communist guerrillas in Greece.
So after that, he wasn't remotely interested in war movies. If you told him a war movie was supposed to be "realistic," he'd just look at you, or look through you. Once he said that if a war movie was truly realistic, then you could smell it. And it doesn't smell like popcorn.
Well said. I'll remember that.
Within the limitations of the medium, though, you can attempt to envision what it would be like to be in the position of Spartan 01 as theyÂ’re relentlessly attacked by a force anywhere from 5x to 50x their strength on their home turf (another of the silliest controversies about the book and movie Â… you donÂ’t stop to take roll when the bullets are flying).
Until Lone Survivor, the Normandy invasion scene in Saving Private Ryan stood alone as the best justice the medium can do to conveying actual combat. It now at least has company, and IÂ’ll leave it up to you to argue about which is better.
And if I made my living with words instead of numbers, IÂ’d have written that Kass column, because he sums up well my thoughts on the reasons people must see this movie. Read the whole thing.
The film isnÂ’t a documentary, and thereÂ’s a lot of dramatic license employed at both the beginning and the end. If you know the book, these things will jump out at you, but you shouldnÂ’t let them take you out of the film.
Fortunately, the firefight scene is pretty true to the book, although itÂ’s a little dramatized too. And itÂ’s hard to forget that itÂ’s condensed in time, because it feels like it goes on forever. Which is part of the point.
The Tapper Interview
I guess this review wouldnÂ’t be complete without a review of the review that had everyone buzzing last week.
I think Jake TapperÂ’s one of the fairest guys youÂ’ll find in the media (yes, I'm aware phrasing it that way could be seen as damning him with faint praise) and I donÂ’t believe he meant any insult by his comments to Marcus at all. They just point out a difference in the way people view the world, and instead of screaming about it, we should find it instructive.
Most of the attention was focused on Tapper’s use of the word “senseless” to describe the deaths of the SEALs and SOAR guys, but I want to focus on the word that got Marcus’ back up against the wall in the first place: “Hopeless”
TAPPER: One of the emotions I felt while watching the film is, first of all, just the hopelessness of the situation, how horrific it was and also just all that loss of life of these brave American men. And I was torn about the message of the film in the same way that I think I am about the war in Afghanistan itself. I don't want any more senseless American death and at the same time I know that there are dead people there and good people who need help. Was that intentional?LUTTRELL: Well, I don't know what part of the film you were watching, but hopelessness really ever came into it. Where did you see that? We never felt like we were hopelessly lost or anything like that. We never gave up. We never felt like we were losing unless we were actually dead. That never came across in the battle and while we were fighting on the mountain and it was just us against them.
At the fundraiser I mentioned above, Marcus signed a copy of the book and wrote the following message to my son:
The world is yours, my friend. Never quit and never give up!
The situation Tapper described as “hopeless” … long odds against you, no clear path to victory in sight, little help coming from outside and the people to your left and right who love you being all you can truly depend on … applies to my son’s severe autism as well as to Spartan 01. As it turned out, there was a tie-in after all.
In the face of adversity, you can lie down and quit or you can stand and fight. The choice you make says a lot about who you are.
The film is a tribute to men who stood and fought. I don't know what movie Jake Tapper was watching either.
And as to "senseless" deaths, I hope we haven't reached the point where we regard every US soldier lost in a battle won as dying a good and noble death while regarding those lost in losing efforts as dying senselessly.
Tapper's exit to the interview noted defects in the mission plan and errors made on the parts of many people involved in Operation Red Wings that contributed to the bad outcome. I wonder how he'd have characterized Operation Overlord if cock-ups like the DD Tanks' performance at Omaha Beach, the scattered drops of Airborne units and failure to anticipate how badly the bocage would bog down our tanks had resulted in the invasion being repelled. I've never heard the first D-Day death referred to as being "senseless".
The nobility of our troops' efforts are not judged by whether they won or lost this battle or that. And all who died ... who gave the last full measure of devotion, as Lincoln said ... deserve our respect and gratitude.
Final Thoughts
John Kass summed up his thoughts as follows:
Whether it wins any film prizes is irrelevant. Such honors are about cliques and politics. At the awards ceremony, the stars stand on the red carpet and talk about what they're wearing, how they're feeling. They hold up that shiny golden statue. They chatter. They're validated. Celebrity writers prattle on about the after-parties.But this movie is something apart from all that chatter. This one has quality.
I suppose you can wait to see it at home when it comes out on cable. You can tell yourself that your big screen and sound system can faithfully reproduce the theater experience. But it can't reproduce this:
At the end, with the photos of the fallen up there, you turn. Just then some other theater patron looks up and catches your eye. You notice each other, strangers in the movie-house darkness, and there is a mutual recognition of a debt.
We owe them.
The audience at the showing I saw sat absolutely silent through the credits, which show photos and video of the SEALs and SOAR guys who died in Operation Red Wings.
And then we applauded.
Related
Books: Lone Survivor: The Eyewitness Account of Operation Redwing and the Lost Heroes of SEAL Team 10,
Seal of Honor: Operation Red Wings and the Life of Lt. Michael P. Murphy, USN
Movie: Murph: The Protector
Charities: Lone Survivor Foundation, The Boot Campaign
And if you want to donate to the best autism program in the country ... the one with a playground named "Spartan Playground" by Marcus Luttrell ... Nashoba Learning Group.
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Posted by: Erowmero at January 19, 2014 05:41 AM (OONaw)
Posted by: Mango at January 19, 2014 05:45 AM (G8PP/)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 19, 2014 05:47 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: Nathan Lendsmun at January 19, 2014 05:50 AM (hCQp8)
Posted by: webworker at January 19, 2014 05:52 AM (AiZkN)
Never watched "We Were Soldiers"?
Posted by: lowandslow at January 19, 2014 05:52 AM (IV4od)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 39 days until spring training at January 19, 2014 05:54 AM (u8GsB)
If you want to be pissed at Tapper focus in on his refusal to highlight that Obama has 1000 more KIAs and double the WIAs that Bush had in Afghanistan....
that is media wide and pure unadulterated bias.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 19, 2014 05:56 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: traye at January 19, 2014 05:57 AM (kRVmV)
Obviously I know how it ends, but I am looking forward to seeing the movie and would prefer not knowing any details.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2014 05:59 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 19, 2014 06:02 AM (cIgCr)
Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at January 19, 2014 06:03 AM (6PM2S)
Posted by: rickl at January 19, 2014 06:04 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: major major major major at January 19, 2014 06:05 AM (fRYRo)
Posted by: Letsgetreal at January 19, 2014 06:08 AM (mzD0X)
Posted by: MtTB at January 19, 2014 06:09 AM (xehjI)
Posted by: Sgt. Mom at January 19, 2014 06:10 AM (Asjr7)
Posted by: Andy at January 19, 2014 06:10 AM (vGQV1)
Posted by: Dick (@DicksTrash) at January 19, 2014 06:11 AM (GrtrJ)
The RightWingWife (and the RightWingDaughter) both tweak me (that's "tweak", not "twerk") because military films (and military funerals) have just about the only scenes that consistently make me tear up.
Posted by: RightWingProf at January 19, 2014 06:15 AM (RtR5I)
Posted by: Adam at January 19, 2014 06:16 AM (Aif/5)
Your comments about the Tapper interview reminded me of the famous quotation from Patton:
"It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.”
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2014 06:19 AM (QFxY5)
Posted by: TRO at January 19, 2014 06:19 AM (jHEiO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 19, 2014 06:21 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: MikeH at January 19, 2014 06:23 AM (bRL1M)
Average non cerebral or spine severing gunshot wound takes 15 minutes to a day to kill depending on arterial and vein damage.
Avoid hydrostatic shock, and traumatic shock shutdown and you have maybe an hour or two of reduced combat effectiveness.
Life ain't like the movies.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 19, 2014 06:24 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Andy at January 19, 2014 06:25 AM (vGQV1)
Posted by: major major major major at January 19, 2014 06:26 AM (fRYRo)
Posted by: traye at January 19, 2014 06:26 AM (kRVmV)
Of course not....but there may be details about the movie that some would prefer not to know beforehand.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2014 06:27 AM (QFxY5)
Battlemind and tunnel vision help...you focus on the tasks at hand and are told to take an inventory and get back to work as your base mindset.
There's a lot to lament about this era's youth in some ways, but there is also a lot to praise.
The kids that get it are among the best, and they are intuitive with the modern equipment in ways that a lot of the peers were not with the late 80s-90s kit I trained with.
If we can turn the culture around some they'll be great kids...life just needs to scuff 'em up enough they learn "special snowflake get up and apply motion to task don't wallow."
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 19, 2014 06:27 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 39 days until spring training at January 19, 2014 06:29 AM (u8GsB)
DON'T TELL ME THE END!
#TitanicFans
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 19, 2014 06:31 AM (TE35l)
I'd love to see a movie made of "House to House" especially with everything that is going on in Fallujah.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2014 06:31 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 19, 2014 06:33 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: traye at January 19, 2014 06:34 AM (kRVmV)
You always know when a conservative movie is effective - the critics freak out, so it's not upsetting at all.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2014 06:35 AM (POpqt)
God, I was a naive fool . . .
Posted by: TRO at January 19, 2014 06:35 AM (jHEiO)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 19, 2014 06:36 AM (+1T7c)
Posted by: whoever at January 19, 2014 06:37 AM (zu9Ee)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 19, 2014 06:37 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 19, 2014 06:38 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: nlynch at January 19, 2014 06:39 AM (gRcOM)
Good guy.
Posted by: Buck Farack, Gentleman Adventurer at January 19, 2014 06:39 AM (Nk6GS)
Yeah, but we can with box office revenue. Another reason why it's good to see it in the theater.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 19, 2014 06:39 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: sp4x2 at January 19, 2014 06:43 AM (e52PM)
Posted by: ExSnipe at January 19, 2014 06:43 AM (LKJt3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at January 19, 2014 06:43 AM (XIxXP)
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Posted by: Adam at January 19, 2014 06:45 AM (Aif/5)
Had they shifted the date forward to 2009 and had the LP kill the locals the media would cheer...
it is *all* partisan all the time w/the media and Hollywood.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 19, 2014 06:46 AM (TE35l)
Having said that, however, I give Marcus Luttrell major props for saying - on Fox and Friends, that there is no GLORY in war. There are, frequently, many acts of incredible human bravery but really, no glory.
I am pleased that this movie apparently turned out so well; its been a long time since American Troops have been portrayed as brave and principled.
Posted by: Realwest at January 19, 2014 06:47 AM (30LIS)
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 19, 2014 06:49 AM (T2V/1)
Posted by: whoever at January 19, 2014 06:49 AM (zu9Ee)
The glory if any is in the serving itself not in battle.
Battle represents a failure of policy exertion by non-violent means, it may be necessary, may even be welcome, but is seldom in itself a good.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 19, 2014 06:50 AM (TE35l)
http://tinyurl.com/k8y9ylg
http://tinyurl.com/klg4g8n
It is stunning. Haven't seen either film, and perhaps "Phillips" is better film making, but I know politics plays a major role in the critical reception of the two.
Posted by: Baldy at January 19, 2014 06:51 AM (2bql3)
Haven't seen it, mostly because Gibson has been a caricature of himself for a long time.
But....I'll take a look.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2014 06:53 AM (QFxY5)
I haven't seen it - for the same reasons I gave in my #56, but it seems to me that when a movie stays as close to the truth as movie-making can, the better and more accurate the portrayal of war and combat and the better the movie.
Posted by: Realwest at January 19, 2014 06:54 AM (30LIS)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2014 10:53 AM (QFxY5)
He made that movie before he went off the "but you will blow me" deep end. But I do give him a small benefit of the doubt. That all came out in the middle of a bitter divorce and I have seen some strange shit happen in those cases.
Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 19, 2014 06:58 AM (T2V/1)
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Posted by: Timon at January 19, 2014 07:05 AM (kAniV)
Hopeless only happens after you've given up. Until then, the outcome can always be different.
Hopeless only happens when you think you know everything, and cannot see a way out. But you never know everything.
Hopeless? Nah, 'defeatist' is the real word.
Posted by: My Name is Illegible at January 19, 2014 07:06 AM (ab+jQ)
We'll see if I can muster the courage to go see the movie. I will drop the money, though, for Mikey, Danny, Axe and Shu.
Following winds and steady seas.
Posted by: tangonine at January 19, 2014 07:07 AM (x3YFz)
Hopeless only happens after you've given up. Until then, the outcome can always be different.
Hopeless only happens when you think you know everything, and cannot see a way out. But you never know everything.
Hopeless? Nah, 'defeatist' is the real word.
Posted by: My Name is Illegible at January 19, 2014 11:06 AM (ab+jQ)
Never quit.
Posted by: tangonine at January 19, 2014 07:08 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 19, 2014 07:12 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 19, 2014 07:14 AM (JQuNB)
As it stands right now, I'd say my three favorite war films are Lone Survivor, Black Hawk Down, and Patton.
I thought Saving Private Ryan's opening scene was brilliant, but the rest of the film went downhill from there. And don't even get me started on the final cowardly scenes with Opham. Ruined the film for me.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 19, 2014 07:40 AM (cXrvJ)
I did actually throw it down several times because it was so emotional.
Wait till you see the movie. Saw it with my son and he said he felt we saw it from a different perspective than many, having both read the book, seen numerous interviews with Marcus Lutrell, lots of follow up, etc.
Hopeless or senseless never entered into the equation for either of us, you just don't get that. But had to wipe my eyes afterwards. The debt to these men and their families approaches infinity, and about all we can do is try to find ways to acknowledge it.
Less heavy, I really thought the movie did a good job in such a limited time frame of showing what drives these guys and the incredible cameraderie and love they have for another. Also, when they realized what they were in for in terms of a firefight and started to really prep for that last minute or so before it started, still totally professional-not an iota of anything other than focusing laserlike on doing what they were trained to do, intense doesn't describe it.
Posted by: RM at January 19, 2014 07:44 AM (fRppw)
Posted by: tangonine at January 19, 2014 07:44 AM (x3YFz)
The battle scenes were very intense and graphic - similar to the beach scene in Saving Private Ryan, but unlike the beach scene the battle in Lone Survivor is the main part of the movie. And unlike Ryan, we get a chance to know and care about the characters before the battle scenes. I read the book so I knew what to expect, but still it was hard to watch it played out before my eyes. It's going to depend on the boy, but it's not the kind of movie you can watch and then go on about your day. It stays with you and you can't watch it without feeling like you owe these men a great debt.
Posted by: NavyMom at January 19, 2014 07:49 AM (GiLYR)
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Posted by: Callmelennie at January 19, 2014 07:56 AM (Z6Bqu)
Agree, but I include "We Were Soldiers" as #4.
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Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 19, 2014 12:21 PM (DmNpO)
I'm currently in discussion on a grunt site about how many packs of tissue I'll need. Overwhelming majority say 3 boxes, min.
I'm skared.
Posted by: tangonine at January 19, 2014 08:24 AM (x3YFz)
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Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 19, 2014 09:27 AM (aDwsi)
Watched it last night. Loved it. Took my 9 year old son t see an R rated movie. He loved it too. I didn't really feel like it was an R rated movie either, they didn't flash a bunch of nudity to sell tickets.
Posted by: Chuck Norris at January 19, 2014 09:47 AM (z+4T3)
Posted by: runningrn at January 19, 2014 10:21 AM (qvVvy)
Posted by: runningrn at January 19, 2014 10:33 AM (qvVvy)
I saw this last week, and it was a quiet theater too. More people than Avengers had when we saw that, so I took that as a good sign.
The only thing said was by a soldier exiting the theater aftewards.
Hoo-ah.
I thought it was quite fitting.
Posted by: Jay in Ames at January 19, 2014 11:28 AM (bzb6V)
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Posted by: marine43 at January 20, 2014 05:03 AM (3lhUM)
Are there sanctions for commenting this long after a thread is "dead"?
Saw movie with old friend, who retired a year ago after 25+ years as a SEAL. He hadn't read the book, only tangentially knew one or two people in the real story. But he did mumble simultaneously the frogman's creed (my term) that PO Patton recited before the rest of the unit in that one scene.
Briefly: movie's great for all the reasons given by others. However, it is a crushing disappointment in terms of the true story, i.e. the story presented by the book. For those who've read the book (go ye and get it if you haven't), I am guessing two of the most memorable elements of the story are the situation back in Texas while Marcus is MIA, and the amazing situation that developed in the village that saved him. Both these elements were, to me, among the main points of the book, both presenting very impressive accounts of people beyond the SEALs, who naturally also come off as amazing. So I was very deflated by the way the real story was altered and Hollywoodized (esp. the ending, which not only was entirely fabricated, but contradicts the far more interesting real story of the village).
Oh - and another gripping part of the real story (book) was entirely omitted. Marcus's struggle to escape the area of the firefight while seriously injured was itself an astounding story in itself - the movie version is compressed and altered to where it hardly stands out.
Yes, movies need to sometimes make changes in the storyline for reasons of time and pacing. But methinks Lone Survivor left about 75% of its impact on the table by simply omitting the Texas and true-village stories, and offering a tiny watered-down scrap of Marcus' crawl for survival.
Posted by: non-purist at January 20, 2014 11:10 AM (afQnV)
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