March 27, 2014

Economics and Time Preferences
— Monty

Fox's Adam Shapiro interviews Walter Russell Mead about the coming public-pension meltdown. It's a fairly long video, but very worth your time if you're interested in this sort of thing.

Mead's point about yesterday's liberals becoming today's conservatives is a good one, and one that not enough people really appreciate. It's become au courant to refer to modern conservatism as "classical liberalism", and we are now encountering the spectacle of the radical New Left of the 1960's desperately trying to conserve (note the word) the status quo.

Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money. I doubt that this is the case -- a century's worth of untrammeled growth of government at all levels argues against it -- but we shall see.

As for the government's ability to leverage technology to improve delivery of services....

Posted by: Monty at 06:07 AM | Comments (574)
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1 Peruvia!

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at March 27, 2014 06:09 AM (XvrTA)

2 1.0?

Posted by: votermom at March 27, 2014 06:09 AM (GSIDW)

3 As the prof says - things that cannot continue won't, debts that cannot be paid won't.  It will end as all things do (hubris to think that an arrangement in human society will always remain the way it is).

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 27, 2014 06:10 AM (hLRSq)

4 Third - and with a semi-substantive comment at that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Four Outrages, get a Rightous Indignation Free! at March 27, 2014 06:10 AM (hLRSq)

5 The public pension meltdown can be traced back to JFK who made public employee unions legal through an EO.  No he was no saint.  The Democrat controlled Congress followed that up with a law which the Republicrats have never seen fit to repeal.


They are no saints either. 

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 27, 2014 06:13 AM (T2V/1)

6 This doesn't appear to be Genuine AoSHQ DOOM. But does it qualify as unofficial DOOM? Quasi-DOOM?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 27, 2014 06:16 AM (AHzA7)

7 I think it will take a hellish and bloody 4 year revolution to straighten out and re-invent this fucked up mess of a country.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 06:17 AM (xWW96)

8

I started reading the Walking Dead comics.  What is really interesting is how  sparse it is.  That's not a criticism, just an observation of the difference between the comic format and series television. 

 

The redefined terms... yeah, I don't believe liberal, conservative, progressive, or even the more loaded words, socialist/fascist, etc. can be used with anything resembling uniformity anymore. 

 

I pity the person who tries to regulate their bahavior, based on  what these terms mean to them.  It probably can't be done with any sort of integrity.

 

Sorta like living in a zombie world.  People still operating with the old  rules will be  eaten. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 06:18 AM (TOk1P)

9 What happened to, "Keep your laws off my body!"?  Now those same dirty hippies want the government all over and into their bodies with Obamacare mandates?!  What happened to, "Never trust anyone over 30!"?  They're all over 30 now and are more preachy and self-righteous than ever.  To hell with them forever and always.  NEVER trust a hippie.

Posted by: Dang at March 27, 2014 06:19 AM (MNq6o)

10 I'm kind of a contrarian about this pension bomb stuff. Taxpayers, especially at the state level, are never going to rise up and shut down these pension systems. Fact is that most states have fairly unlimited ability to keep raising state income, gas, and other taxes to pay for these pensions as infinitum. Most people see little difference in their paycheck from an increase of 5 to 7% for state taxes. California's top rate is now, what, 12%? It can go higher. The numbers look really big, but states will find a way. If it comes down to paying for Medicaid or pensions, the pensioners will win.

Posted by: rockmom at March 27, 2014 06:20 AM (vE1mx)

11 Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money. Human nature vs. technology? Just means they can fuck us faster & more completely than before.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:20 AM (ix+5k)

12 This is from an American handgunner article and I think it's relevant here. Uncle John calls ’em Millennial Orphans, springing from fractured homes and forming their own “families.” Some came from big money, and walked away. Virtually all have some college, and many graduated. They were force-fed the educational establishment’s progressive propaganda-pap until they puked — too smart to become good little automatons. For many, the big awakening came about 2009. “Our teachers and professors had hammered us with America is evil, defy authority, capitalism kills and crap like that,” Lead Dog said. “Then all of a sudden it was don’t question authority; obey the government; embrace the collective. Don’t think, just obey. That’s when we started teaching ourselves.” They discovered new heroes, the real revolutionaries — our founding fathers — and fell deeply in love with some neglected, derided old documents: the Declaration of Independence; the Constitution; the Bill of Rights. And they saw how far we’ve drifted from them. “They told us capitalism was wrong because lots of power could be held by a relatively small group,” Purple-Stripe explained. “But it’s clear they want to replace it with a system where another even smaller group has absolute power, with the brute force of the state to enforce it. Not happening; I’ll die first. That’s why it’s important for them to disarm us. And that’s why we have these guns... http://preview.tinyurl.com/l9esjhg Maybe the kids are all right, at least some. I could see how being told "question everything" and then later being told "believe everything THESE people say" would lead to unintended consequences for the left.

Posted by: traye at March 27, 2014 06:21 AM (5m4Yl)

13 Of course government is a great problem-solverÂ… Â…but first, it has to create the great problem, h8rs!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at March 27, 2014 06:21 AM (HsTG8)

14 America can re-invent itself yet again...to make government at all levels work better and for less money. It wouldn't be government if it worked better and for less money. Government's purpose is government- it has nothing to do with efficiency. ...or us, for that matter.

Posted by: t-bird at March 27, 2014 06:21 AM (FcR7P)

15 This is establishment propaganda. Shit speak.

Posted by: The GOP, The Party Of Dull at March 27, 2014 06:21 AM (Cs2tJ)

16 All those left winging, dope smoking, corn holing douchebags from the 1960's became enviro-fascist food and smoking police in the 2000's....weird. They were all screaming about the "Man" and the "rules" and when they got old that's all they care about is being the "man" and making up endless "rules". What the hell happened?

Posted by: IrishEd at March 27, 2014 06:22 AM (D0NZx)

17 This is establishment propaganda. Shit speak.

Posted by: The GOP, The Party Of Dull at March 27, 2014 06:22 AM (Cs2tJ)

18 *Climbs up soap box*

*Flips to AoSHQ Stylebook, Chapter five, verses 3-7*

Ahemm

"...and the new thread shall not collect comments for greater than 7 minutes without a Moron in good standing returning to the previous thread to announce the arrival of said new thread.
So sayeth the word"

*Closes book. Climbs down off soap box*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 06:23 AM (si68n)

19 Someone is getting the Banhammer hard and fast.


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:23 AM (GQ8sn)

20 This doesn't appear to be Genuine AoSHQ DOOM. But does it qualify as unofficial DOOM? Quasi-DOOM? Micro-aggressive Bossy Doom.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:23 AM (ix+5k)

21 If I like Mead's take on pensions, does that make me a Democrat?  I mean, he's a Democrat.  Sheesh.  Worried now.  I need to avoid the dreaded "bipartisan" "middle of the road" shit.

Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 06:24 AM (LISuA)

22 "...and the new thread shall not collect comments for greater than 7 minutes without a Moron in good standing returning to the previous thread to announce the arrival of said new thread.
So sayeth the word"


8 is right out!


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:24 AM (GQ8sn)

23 I'm so sick of bullshit optimism. USA is in decline because of its govt and because of the people who empower the govt.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 27, 2014 06:24 AM (nfBpn)

24

Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money

 

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Um, no.  Sounds like Newt's plan to make government do more with less.     I want government to  do less with  far less.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:25 AM (eoeps)

25
take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money. ...

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Meh.... unless that technology neutralizes sloth, greed, corruption, graft and cronyism.... I doubt it too.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 06:25 AM (IrLKP)

26 They were all screaming about the "Man" and the "rules" and when they got old that's all they care about is being the "man" and making up endless "rules". What the hell happened? Their problem was never that there was Authority; their problem was that it wasn't them.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 27, 2014 06:26 AM (naUcP)

27 Monty, fastest deleter in the west

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 06:26 AM (xWW96)

28 My car is a Bahnhammer.  It'll ride right over you too.

Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 06:26 AM (LISuA)

29 I've seen that banned hash before too.  I just can't remember who it was.


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:27 AM (GQ8sn)

30 World public debt just passed $100 trillion.  This country is on the hook for nearly $150 trillion in debt and unfunded liabilities.  The only way this country recovers is to start over from scratch.  There is simply no way that what this country owes can be repaid.  Impossible.  Realistically, Zimbabwe is a more probable outcome than any resurgence to any previous world power status. 

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 06:27 AM (BZAd3)

31 Monty, fastest deleter in the west

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 10:26 AM (xWW96)


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So fast I havent a flippin clue what you guys are yammering about.... 

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 06:27 AM (IrLKP)

32 There has been for a long time the Cassandra voice that this will end in default or devaluation.  It always has, in the end the wonderful promises wind up like fairy gold, which is why that particular phrase exists.  It is just that the people who depend on this manipulation won't go quietly into the night, they owe too much, and have too much influence to just go away.  Eventually, to support the failing pensions, I fully expect the federal government to "nationalize" all private retirement plans.  You, you put away $500 per month your entire working life into your private retirement plan, never bought a new car and ate beans once a week? Yeah, you have too much, and you must share with the assistant sub-director of the redundant weights and measures enforcement unit of city codes who made more than you at retirement and had a timeshare in Curacao and  sent his kids to Princeton and Simon Fraser.
"its [sic] all about fairness"

Posted by: Kindletot at March 27, 2014 06:28 AM (LRUgq)

33 USA is in decline because of its govt and because of the people who empower the govt. As I always say: if people are the solution, that's a clear sign they were also the problem...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 27, 2014 06:28 AM (naUcP)

34 I've seen that banned hash before too. I just can't remember who it was. Not me this time!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:28 AM (ix+5k)

35 No Doom kitteh? I'm crushed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 06:28 AM (0HooB)

36 who is it, the one who hates Republicans?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 27, 2014 06:28 AM (nfBpn)

37 Realistically, Zimbabwe is a more probable outcome than any resurgence to any previous world power status.


Oh great, I've always wanted a million dollar note of my own!


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:28 AM (GQ8sn)

38 who is it, the one who hates Republicans?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 27, 2014 10:28 AM (nfBpn)


Apparently so.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:29 AM (GQ8sn)

39

This country is on the hook for nearly $150 trillion in debt and unfunded liabilities. The only way this country recovers is to start over from scratch.

 

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I was reading an interesting article last night on Jubilee, and debt repudiation.  It has become much more    of a viable option recently.  Jubilee is the ancient    Biblical command to forgive debts every 50 years, IIRC

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:29 AM (eoeps)

40 who is it, the one who hates Republicans? Around here, you're going to have to be way more specific than that.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 27, 2014 06:30 AM (naUcP)

41

For all ya'all missing the traditional fuzzy critter pic :

 

http://tinyurl.com/ax4jmws

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 06:30 AM (xWW96)

42 Yeah, that one. My old pal.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 27, 2014 06:30 AM (nfBpn)

43 Oh great, I've always wanted a million dollar note of my own! Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 10:28 AM (GQ8sn) 7 more and you get a pack of gum.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 06:31 AM (fWAjv)

44 For all ya'all missing the traditional fuzzy critter pic :

http://tinyurl.com/ax4jmws

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 10:30 AM (xWW96)



A waste.  There are no ettes on this thread.



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:31 AM (GQ8sn)

45 26 My car is a Bahnhammer. It'll ride right over you too.

This hammer was made for bannin'
and that's just what I'll do
One of these days this hammer's
gonna ban all over you.

Posted by: Nancy Sinatra at March 27, 2014 06:31 AM (U82Km)

46 7 more and you get a pack of gum.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 10:31 AM (fWAjv)


I'M RICH BEEYATCH!!!!


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:31 AM (GQ8sn)

47 A waste. There are no ettes on this thread.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 10:31 AM (GQ8sn)

 

That was for the lurkerettes

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 06:32 AM (xWW96)

48 I don't know what I am anymore. Conserv-a-tarian? I'm pro-legalization, couldn't give a shit about ghey marriage, I eat health food/organics (I still don't know why that makes Conservatives go into attack mode, I do it for my health, and it's improved my health immeasurably.) I believe in a strong military but I am sick to death of us wasting our time, resources and the lives of our soldiers to "assist" countries that hate us and want to kill us. But on economic issues I'm rock-solid conservative. I want jobs, I want people off the public dole, I want the government to stop wasteful spending, I am all for lower taxes and against entitlements. I guess Conserv-a-tarian fits.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 06:32 AM (7ObY1)

49 Oh great, I've always wanted a million dollar note of my own!


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)


If a debt gets so large that it cannot be paid back, then it won't be.  And if it's not, there are consequences to that.  Argentina is a perfect example.  England less so.  There are no positive outcomes.  None.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 06:32 AM (BZAd3)

50 12 Posted by: traye at March 27, 2014 10:21 AM (5m4Yl) That is good to hear. I expect to see more of that.

Posted by: rickl at March 27, 2014 06:32 AM (zoehZ)

51

38 -

 

I was  gonna say, I had to double check to make sure my comments were still getting through...

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 06:32 AM (TOk1P)

52

 

Going OT due to living in the future...

Goodnight from Down Under

 

And have a wonderful yesterday everyone!

Posted by: aussie at March 27, 2014 06:33 AM (7bNcL)

53 33 No Doom kitteh? I'm crushed. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 27, 2014 10:28 AM (0HooB) That's why it's not an official DOOM post. No kitteh.

Posted by: rickl at March 27, 2014 06:33 AM (zoehZ)

54 Vashta i had thought that was a seven year incident .

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 06:33 AM (nqBYe)

55 28 There is simply no way that what this country owes can be repaid. Impossible.

Have faith. Soon NASA will capture a gold asteroid, mine the crap out of it, and everything'll be cool.

Posted by: Anachronda at March 27, 2014 06:33 AM (U82Km)

56 O/T

PMC 9mm 115gr FMJ. Not reman.
1,000 rd for $250.00

@Sportsman's Guide

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 06:33 AM (si68n)

57 nevermind i believe it was 7x7.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 06:34 AM (nqBYe)

58 Yes, Detroit is the prime example.  Democrat controlled since the late 60s. Year after year of crony corruption, pure corruption, tax increases, rampant crime with no punishment, and most of all union sweetheart deals.  The working taxpayers have all left the city along with the businesses.  The only reason it hasn't gone bankrupt long before now is the US taxpayer bailing them out.


Now that they have entered bankruptcy court the unions are fighting tooth and nail.   Their solution; more of the same damn thing that got them here, tax increases.


But contrary to what the lying jug-eared SOB said, he is shipping them more taxpayer money.  So we are STILL bailing those corrupt SOBs out.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 27, 2014 06:35 AM (T2V/1)

59 1,000 rd for $250.00



Nice. 



"Shoot.  The.  Glass."


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:35 AM (GQ8sn)

60 I was reading an interesting article last night on Jubilee, and debt repudiation. It has become much more of a viable option recently. Jubilee is the ancient Biblical command to forgive debts every 50 years, IIRC

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 10:29 AM (eoeps)


There are consequences.  You know how people look down on poor people...  It's not meanness.  It's human nature.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 06:35 AM (BZAd3)

61

Vashta i had thought that was a seven year incident .

 

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I was thinking seven times seven years, or 49 ish.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:35 AM (eoeps)

62 We've put the country's head on the block to pay people to no longer contribute. It's nuts.

Posted by: --- at March 27, 2014 06:36 AM (ksJYU)

63 Monty I now happily join you in your pessimism, it is not as though the civil service or the elected class of pols show ANY restraint on the use of coercion or graft.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 27, 2014 06:36 AM (TE35l)

64 uh hmm, i have my typical nominal synapse firing today. 

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 06:37 AM (nqBYe)

65 Rockmom, people do notice. Look where population is shrinking or only growing from foreign immigration vs the states where the people are moving to. NC is adding population and also voting more conservative. Now red states, y'all quit voting for "conservative" democrat senators, THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Posted by: traye at March 27, 2014 06:37 AM (5m4Yl)

66

There are consequences. You know how people look down on poor people... It's not meanness. It's human nature.

 

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I agree, but at what point do we enforce repayment on generations who were not even    born when the borrowing was done?  I would like to    see the projected consequences of selective default versus the enforced repayment.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:37 AM (eoeps)

67 But the debate about whether technology makes us more efficient arguably hasn't been solved yet. While we do produce more output, it seems like we just create more work to make up for it. I imagine government will do the same thing times infinity.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 06:37 AM (HDwDg)

68 HoF QB Jim Kelly's scheduled cancer surgery for today was called off. The cancer has spread to areas where surgery cannot help. Fuck. Just fuck.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 06:37 AM (7ObY1)

69 There's a simple solution to the pension crisis.

Posted by: death panels at March 27, 2014 06:37 AM (azHJR)

70 I'M RICH BEEYATCH!!!! Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 10:31 AM (GQ8sn) pffft. This is what I make per hour! http://tinyurl.com/m2ugesc

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 06:38 AM (fWAjv)

71 NC is adding population and also voting more conservative.


Lotta NE dems are fleeing their blue state shitholes and moving down here, but still voting the same retarded way.  That's a problem.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:38 AM (GQ8sn)

72 So sayeth the word" *Closes book. Climbs down off soap box* Posted by: Village --------------------- I believe the traditional closing is, "Thus endeth the first reading"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 06:38 AM (aDwsi)

73

A friend of mine who is working closely with Christie's  pension  commission  in NJ, thinks the public union leadership totally understands that the  membership  won't  be   going to be getting anywhere near what was promised  in pensions.  

 

The problem is how to tell the membership and retirees,  and (secretly)  it seems like all concerned are hoping for more splashy bankruptcies like Detroit's to make the issue a front and center concern.  

 

In other words,  they're waiting until it can't be avoided any longer because  no one wants to be "the messenger" on this issue. 

Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 06:38 AM (LISuA)

74 Lotta NE dems are fleeing their blue state shitholes and moving down here, but still voting the same retarded way. That's a problem. Posted by: EC ----------------- A *big* problem.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 06:39 AM (aDwsi)

75 pffft. This is what I make per hour!

http://tinyurl.com/m2ugesc

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 10:38 AM (fWAjv)


Damn!  I want one of those!!!

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:39 AM (GQ8sn)

76 Jim Kelly news may not be all bad.

"Possibly treatable and curable"

http://tinyurl.com/lmsf3x3

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 06:39 AM (si68n)

77 You, you put away $500 per month your entire working life into your private retirement plan, never bought a new car and ate beans once a week? Yeah, you have too much, and you must share with the assistant sub-director of the redundant weights and measures enforcement unit of city codes who made more than you at retirement and had a timeshare in Curacao and sent his kids to Princeton and Simon Fraser.

It's too bad we can't make 'em fight the people who never worked a day in their lives for our money.

Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 06:39 AM (ZKzrr)

78 I would like to see the projected consequences of selective default versus the enforced repayment.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 10:37 AM (eoeps)


It might work.  But not with the country maintaining a status of a world power.  The level of spending that allowed that level of obligation to accumulate would have to stop.  The results of slamming on the breaks like that will be traumatic.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 06:40 AM (BZAd3)

79 Lotta NE dems are fleeing their blue state shitholes and moving down here, but still voting the same retarded way. That's a problem.

Yankee cocksuckers.

Posted by: The GOP, The Party Of Dull at March 27, 2014 06:40 AM (Cs2tJ)

80 Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 10:32 AM (7ObY1) Why do we go into attack mode? Because people insistence that everything be grown organic raises prices and lowers food supply. Frankly I don't care if you eat Sea bass every night for dinner, it's your money. But don't require I buy sea bass, especially when I can't afford it.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 06:40 AM (HDwDg)

81 From what I read,    Kelley's doctor is still    optimistic.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:40 AM (eoeps)

82 "Mead's point about yesterday's liberals becoming today's conservatives is a good one, and one that not enough people really appreciate. It's become au courant to refer to modern conservatism as "classical liberalism", and we are now encountering the spectacle of the radical New Left of the 1960's desperately trying to conserve (note the word) the status quo." Rookie conservatives! But seriously, people act according to their own self interest, and it's dawning on people that being a liberal is, simply put, not a good plan.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 06:41 AM (x3YFz)

83 Then Mr. Mead woke up. The coming EBT card riots will spell the end.

Posted by: eman at March 27, 2014 06:41 AM (AO9UG)

84 The dems have discovered the formula for social equality....make everyone poor.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2014 06:41 AM (j7iSn)

85 "I believe the traditional closing is, "Thus endeth the first reading""

And that's when the fight started.


J/K

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 06:41 AM (si68n)

86 A friend of mine who is working closelywith Christie'spension commission in NJ, thinks the public union leadership totally understands that the membershipwon't be going to be getting anywhere near what was promised in pensions. The problem is how to tell the membership and retirees, Without getting strung up.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:41 AM (ix+5k)

87 Another example of our gov't harnessing technology...

Underground bunker dubbed the 'crazy cave' where 600 workers process government pensions by HAND - and one case takes 61 days!

http://tinyurl.com/msnlujd


Six hundred workers are processing government pension papers in an underground bunker entirely by hand in a staggering example of state inefficiency that is costing taxpayers millions.

Staff at what has been dubbed the ‘Crazy Cave’ take up to 61 days just to deal with one single case because of the archaic process that is the same speed as 37 years ago.

Each file is sent in on paper, entered into a computer, printed out on paper - and then put back into a computer again.

Posted by: Preznit O'Barky at March 27, 2014 06:42 AM (Z7PrM)

88 O/T

PMC 9mm 115gr FMJ. Not reman.
1,000 rd for $250.00

@Sportsman's Guide

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 10:33 AM (si68n)




SOLD OUT!



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:42 AM (GQ8sn)

89 while i would like to accept Mead's idea as a possibilty , and it truly could be, because one never knows what tomorrow might bring, i have really never seen the left be so persistant in its insanity and the fact that the media frontruns every crazy ass  idea out as normal, and that is mainly where livs' get their news.

so unless we really have news sources become truthy, we will persist in ignorance and mayhem.

jmho
although i did feel a bit of hope reading Trayes post.


Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 06:42 AM (nqBYe)

90 The dems have discovered the formula for social equality....make everyone except themselves poor.

They're not going to be living in the high-density concrete shitbox with a single Stasi-quality CFL lightbulb they force the rest of us into.

Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 06:43 AM (ZKzrr)

91 "I agree, but at what point do we enforce repayment on generations who were not even born when the borrowing was done? I would like to see the projected consequences of selective default versus the enforced repayment." A total debt reset can be done, but only once and only by the U.S. Also, it would be less disruptive and easier for the rest of the world to swallow if it was done with an accounting trick tied to the monetization of assets to be recovered in the future (energy).

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 06:44 AM (u2a4R)

92 Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 10:38 AM (LISuA) Meanwhile any young people working now have no choice but to pay into a pension that they have to realize will never pay out. Given the choice, I'd rather have my money. But they never seem to be given the choice. Wife's in the same boat, pays something like $108/pay period into the "Pension" plan, we know we're never seeing that, and I'd trade it all away for the chance to take that $108 (and whatever her employer pays in if I could) and put it in the 401k, but alas. Not a choice.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 06:44 AM (HDwDg)

93 "SOLD OUT!"

No shit?

That was like....ten minutes, max.

Goes to show, without the ammo-botts and e-mail alerts, you will NEVER get good prices.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 06:44 AM (si68n)

94

"I eat health food/organics (I still don't know why that makes Conservatives go into attack mode, I do it for my health, and it's improved my health immeasurably.)"

 

It isn't that people eat health foods or organics, it is that some people who do become rather militant about lecturing everyone else who doesn't.  The old puritanical religious impulse with a different outlet, so to say.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 06:44 AM (hLRSq)

95 SOLD OUT! Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 10:42 AM (GQ8sn) hah. I actually reached the point with the ammo where I realized that I can't actually fire it all and it's approaching an episode of Hoarders.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (x3YFz)

96
    In my 2x4 hick area, we don't seem to have an overwhelming incursion of liberal governance.  Not that there aren't proponents of such, but their influence is decidedly limited.

    Downstate, different story. Those idiots are flat out of control and will inevitably ruin the place.

    I refuse to leave my state, simply because there needs to be some one relatively sane to restructure after the collapse.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (SAMxH)

97 But seriously, people act according to their own self interest, and it's dawning on people that being a liberal is, simply put, not a good plan.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 10:41 AM (x3YFz)

 

 

I disagree. Stupidity is timeless with most people. No cure. Born stupid, educated by the stupid, entertained by the stupid, living life by the code of stupid, dying stupidly. Lifestyle choice, and too stupid to reconsider.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (xWW96)

98 Are we headed toward Idiocacy? Or more towards Brazil?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (nfBpn)

99 87
The dems have discovered the formula for social equality....make everyone except themselves poor.

They're not going to be living in the high-density concrete shitbox with a single Stasi-quality CFL lightbulb they force the rest of us into.

Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 10:43 AM (ZKzrr)


Of course not, they have to have the best possible stuff so they can focus their attention on our needs. What are you, some sort of kulak?

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (RD7QR)

100 .... for the guns that were lost in the boating accident, of course.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (x3YFz)

101 Posted by: Preznit O'Barky at March 27, 2014 10:42 AM (Z7PrM) Bet those 600 workers are each making over 100k when you factor in overtime.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (fWAjv)

102 hah. I actually reached the point with the ammo where I realized that I can't actually fire it all and it's approaching an episode of Hoarders.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 10:45 AM (x3YFz)


I can help!


*grins*



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:45 AM (GQ8sn)

103 Looks like Kobe is about to be kicked out of Club Black for daring to suggest that maybe automatic, reflexive support of St. Traytable isn't the best thing for race relations.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (VjL9S)

104 Willow, remember from the depression ont last night, I'm a ray of sunshine. I have an apartment full of the orphans right across the street from me, I always try to talk to when I can, sometimes they mention the economy. I gently educate.

Posted by: traye at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (5m4Yl)

105 SOLD OUT! - Can't we have one thread without mentioning McCain?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (XUKZU)

106
My 30 years in the computer industry have taught me that the problem is almost never the application of technology; rather, the problem almost always is in confused thinking, which leads to badly designed requirements, which leads to technology being used badly.

Case in point: the ACA - or, to use Jon Stewart's term, "the 2,000-page clusterfuck". No amount of technological sophistication could turn that flaming bag of dog shit into a smoothly functioning information system: the requirements are too confused and too detached from reality to ever be made to work.

So, the problem isn't that that technology is used badly. Rather, the people who are determining what the techology is to do are self-righteous, power-hungry, ignorant fools.

Posted by: Brown Line at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (8ihif)

107 (Nutrition is not a private matter!  Your body belongs to the Fatherland!)

Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (ZKzrr)

108 That's why it's not an official DOOM post. No kitteh. Aha! Maddog's link was furry all right, but not exactly a kitteh.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (0HooB)

109 A waste. There are no ettes on this thread. Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 10:31 AM (GQ8sn) Ha! I knew my suspicious nature would serve me well.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 06:46 AM (mf5HN)

110 Math quiz: (Medicaid for everybody) + (open borders) = X Solve for X. (Based on real life example from my work this past week, would make your heads explode!)

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 06:47 AM (g4TxM)

111 66 C itizen X,

Indeed...fuck Cancer

Posted by: sven10077 at March 27, 2014 06:47 AM (TE35l)

112

>>>and we are now encountering the spectacle of the radical New Left of the 1960's desperately trying to conserve (note the word) the status quo.

 

Really? Where do you see that?

All the Radical Leftards I know are *Full Speed Ahead* and fairly impatient with the current crop of Dems. They mean to have full-on Socialism or nothing. And by nothing, they mean conservatives are thrown against the walls and shot.

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 06:47 AM (3ZtZW)

113

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 10:44 AM (HDwDg)

 

Isn't that way they do it in Chile?  Supposedly, they have a great system, fully paid for and outside of government control.

Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 06:47 AM (LISuA)

114 All,
I post em' when I get them on the chance that somewhere, there is a Moron that is looking for some right then.

And as we can see by how fast they sell out, minutes count.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 06:47 AM (si68n)

115

it would be less disruptive and easier for the rest of the world to swallow if it was done with an accounting trick tied to the monetization of assets to be recovered in the future (energy).

 

--

 

If    energy resources were to be involved, it could be done     by putting an export tax on coal and LNG, paid for by importers, and     putting    100% of the proceeds toward      debt repayment, instead of repudiation.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:48 AM (eoeps)

116 Also, it would be less disruptive and easier for the rest of the world to swallow if it was done with an accounting trick tied to the monetization of assets to be recovered in the future (energy).

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 10:44 AM (u2a4R)


I do not agree at all.  If the U.S. did that, even if they theoretically couldn't, the rest of the western world would do it anyway.  The global monetary system would collapse in an instant.  Apocalyptic would be the optimistic result.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 06:48 AM (BZAd3)

117 Wife's in the same boat, pays something like $108/pay period into the "Pension" plan, we know we're never seeing that, and I'd trade it all away for the chance to take that $108 (and whatever her employer pays in if I could) and put it in the 401k, but alas. Not a choice. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 10:44 AM (HDwDg) While the Fed runs the presses....making your savings/investments worth less and less.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2014 06:48 AM (j7iSn)

118 (Medicaid for everybody) + (open borders) = X


Solve for X.



I've got the answer.



X = permanent democrat majority over a ruined nation


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:48 AM (GQ8sn)

119 Isn't that a neat rule?

"Only blacks can criticize another black but no black shall ever criticize another black."

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2014 06:48 AM (VjL9S)

120 If energy resources were to be involved, it could be done by puttingan export tax on coal and LNG, paid for by importers, and putting 100% of the proceeds toward debt repayment, instead of repudiation.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 10:48 AM (eoeps)



We really have $100 trillion in energy assets? 

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:49 AM (GQ8sn)

121 89 Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 10:38 AM (LISuA)

Meanwhile any young people working now have no choice but to pay into a pension that they have to realize will never pay out.

Given the choice, I'd rather have my money. But they never seem to be given the choice.

Wife's in the same boat, pays something like $108/pay period into the "Pension" plan, we know we're never seeing that, and I'd trade it all away for the chance to take that $108 (and whatever her employer pays in if I could) and put it in the 401k, but alas. Not a choice.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 10:44 AM (HDwDg)


Kids I know do most of their work under the table (construction jobs). I'm willing to bet that the underground economy is growing fast these days.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 06:49 AM (RD7QR)

122 "I can help!"


He meant to say "We can help"

Posted by: VIA, willin' to take one for the team at March 27, 2014 06:49 AM (si68n)

123

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 10:47 AM (g4TxM)

==========================================

 

You  put  your  finger  right  on  the  biggest issue:   Why is it so hard to get Congress to agree that only citizens,  preferably tax-paying  citizens  but I'd settle for simply limiting it to citizens,  are the only ones who should qualify for government programs.  

 

Posted by: MTF at March 27, 2014 06:49 AM (LISuA)

124 All,
I post em' when I get them on the chance that somewhere, there is a Moron that is looking for some right then.

And as we can see by how fast they sell out, minutes count.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 10:47 AM (si68n)



My local stores seem to be doing well with inventory and prices.  I'm not using the bots as much as I did before.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 06:50 AM (GQ8sn)

125 step away from the dump to brush the puppy/dog and there is a post well into the hundreds......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 27, 2014 06:51 AM (u8GsB)

126 hah. I actually reached the point with the ammo where I realized that I can't actually fire it all and it's approaching an episode of Hoarders. Witch! Burn the heretic!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:51 AM (ix+5k)

127 "Only blacks can criticize another black but no black shall ever criticize another black." White people call that 'dysfunction.'

Posted by: --- at March 27, 2014 06:52 AM (VDR8V)

128 122 step away from the dump to brush the puppy/dog and there is a post well into the hundreds......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at March 27, 2014 10:51 AM (u8GsB)


[Happy wag] But it was worth it!

Posted by: phoenixgirl's pup at March 27, 2014 06:52 AM (RD7QR)

129

We really have $100 trillion in energy assets?

 

--

 

We have over 500 years supply of coal at current rates.  Also, right now Japan is paying $16 mcf for natural gas, and UK is appx $10.  We don't       have to pay it all on export, but it would be better than repudiation.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:53 AM (eoeps)

130 IG - Where are you located?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 06:53 AM (aDwsi)

131 "I eat health food/organics (I still don't know why that makes Conservatives go into attack mode, I do it for my health, and it's improved my health immeasurably.)" It isn't that people eat health foods or organics, it is that some people who do become rather militant about lecturing everyone else who doesn't. The old puritanical religious impulse with a different outlet, so to say. Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 10:44 AM (hLRSq) This is the part where I bring up that I got someone dumped by his bunny on the stove vegan girlfriend by ordering veal in front of her. To make this tangentially on topic, what more is there to say? The train is going to go over the cliff and the money is not there and the only question is who is going to get screwed the most. There is no magic way to make the Math turn out. There's just not. Well, okay SMOD but, technically, SMOD isn't magic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 06:53 AM (mf5HN)

132 "We really have $100 trillion in energy assets? " It all depends on who is holding the pencil. I can see a scenario where the U.S. creates a quasi-governmental entity that "buys" all the energy and mineral assets lying under all federal lands and offshore our coasts for 200 miles. This entity then sells those assets on a long term basis over the next 100 to 200 years, to regain the capital it used to buy the assets. The rest of the world would go along with the scam because it would be in their best interest to do so.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 06:53 AM (u2a4R)

133 Agence France Press:  100K Russians massed on Ukraine border.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 06:53 AM (BZAd3)

134

Detroit  has  already  proved  what  will  happen  to  public  pensions,  they'll   be  treated  as  any  other  creditor  in  a  bankruptcy.  Currently  they're  only  going  to  get  17  cents  on  the  dollar  in  Detroit.

 

 

 

And  forget  jubilee  because  every  debt  is  someone  else's   asset.  You  end  up  in  the  same  place  with  everyone  broke.  

 

 

Math  is  hard  and  the  DOOM  will   not  be  stopped.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 27, 2014 06:53 AM (rXcBX)

135 (Nutrition is not a private matter! Your body belongs to the Fatherland!) Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 10:46 AM (ZKzrr) I'll need to take that beer from you then. For Public Health reasons.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 27, 2014 06:54 AM (HDwDg)

136 Polish Reserves being called up. How is TFG's bracket doing?

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 06:54 AM (fWAjv)

137 EC

I envy you.
Honest to god I do.


Around these here parts, we are like that old tow truck driver in the Audi commercial.

We hear a noise, feel a breeze, catch something out of the corner of our eye, and by the time we turn around.....nuthin'

Posted by: VIA, willin' to take one for the team at March 27, 2014 06:54 AM (si68n)

138 Our only hope is that technology, in the hands of private citizens, allows us to outpace the Leviathan. People will just have to stay healthy. Using gene therapy etc. People will just have to eat cheaper. Using high tech crops and food printing. People will need cheaper items. Using 3D printers. People will need cheaper transportation. Using ultra-light self-driving cars. If not... well, we could always secede. *rimshot*

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 06:55 AM (09o/X)

139

109 -

 

That's the point.   The word "conserve"  doesn't mean what you normally consider to be conservatism.

 

 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 06:55 AM (TOk1P)

140 Oh, and I want to thank you all for alerting me to "The Strain" trilogy.

Holy crap, what a dark and depressing set of book--a perfect setting for vampires.

Good books. Just finished them all in the last few days.

Too bad the description of life under The Master sounds like "coming soon to your city." Solitary, nasty, brutish and short as the parasite class rules the land.


Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2014 06:55 AM (VjL9S)

141 Well, okay SMOD but, technically, SMOD isn't magic. The way it's been missing us lately, for it to actually hit, it would have to be.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:55 AM (ix+5k)

142 This is the part where I bring up that I got someone dumped by his bunny on the stove vegan girlfriend by ordering veal in front of her.


If you had been wearing a "P(eople) E(ating) T(asty) A(nimals)" t-shirt I would have been forced to hunt you down and worship you. But that's pretty awesome.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 06:55 AM (RD7QR)

143 Technology in the hands of the STATE means OPPRESSION.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 06:56 AM (09o/X)

144 SMOD isn't magic. **** Oh really? Now you see it...POOF...now you don't.

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 06:56 AM (g4TxM)

145 I'll need to take that beer from you then.
For Public Health reasons.

And that's why conservatives "go into attack mode" against the food bullies.

Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 06:56 AM (ZKzrr)

146


And forget jubilee because every debt is someone else's asset. You end up in the same place with everyone broke.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade

 

---

 

Over 30% of US debt is owed from one agency to another.  We are paying interest from    one department to the one across the street.

 

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 06:56 AM (eoeps)

147 How is TFG's bracket doing? Posted by: RWC ------------------- More important: Did you watch American Idol last night?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 06:57 AM (aDwsi)

148 Well, okay SMOD but, technically, SMOD isn't magic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 10:53 AM (mf5HN)


tea.


And I am becoming suspicious of Smod that it will not save us from having to experience the consequence of the collectives crazy.


it delays too long!

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 06:57 AM (nqBYe)

149 Over 30% of US debt is owed from one agency to another. We are paying interest from one department to the one across the street. Interest free loans! Winning!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 06:58 AM (ix+5k)

150 133 Polish Reserves being called up.


How is TFG's bracket doing?

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 10:54 AM (fWAjv)


Any news about the Latvian's and Lithuanians? Because Kaliningrad.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 06:58 AM (RD7QR)

151 Speaking of economics, I see that Obama gave the Pope a copy of Obama's writings on income inequality. I'm sure the Pope will get right on reading that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 06:58 AM (XUKZU)

152 The dems have discovered the formula for social equality....make everyone except themselves poor. They're not going to be living in the high-density concrete shitbox with a single Stasi-quality CFL lightbulb they force the rest of us into. Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 10:43 AM (ZKzrr) Yep. I just looked back at some grad school notes because I remembered learning about some guy that basically said this very concept would happen with ruling communists. It was Tito's VP: Milovan Dilas. The book he wrote outlining the idea was called "The New Class."

Posted by: Mainah at March 27, 2014 06:58 AM (659DL)

153
It isn't that people eat health foods or organics, it is that some people who do become rather militant about lecturing everyone else who doesn't. The old puritanical religious impulse with a different outlet, so to say.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 10:44 AM (hLRSq)



It's also the fact that health foods and organics are a luxury good.  The advocates are eager to demonize the very technologies that have rendered mass starvation and malnutrition a thing of the past in the first world.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at March 27, 2014 06:58 AM (YQ4mh)

154 "130 Agence France Press: 100K Russians massed on Ukraine border..." Sorta looking like Pooty-poo may just do it. Why not? He really has nothing and no one to fear at this point.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2014 06:59 AM (gOoFi)

155 The ancient Greeks said the same things about government efficiency that we do today. Technology hasn't changed that.

Posted by: --- at March 27, 2014 06:59 AM (ksJYU)

156

Agence France Press: 100K Russians massed on Ukraine border.

 

FAZ says 30K, up from 20K.  Some without insignia.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 27, 2014 06:59 AM (JtwS4)

157

>>>That's the point. The word "conserve" doesn't mean what you normally consider to be conservatism.

 

Possibly. I'm unable to watch videos here. But Monty's precis hints otherwise and I'd say completely wrong.

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 06:59 AM (3ZtZW)

158 @145 - SMOD's been studying the John Roberts playbook. It's not the rock's job to save us from our political blunders.

Posted by: JEM at March 27, 2014 06:59 AM (o+SC1)

159 The trouble with conservatism is that the past is a moving target. Or "it only takes twenty years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea."

Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 06:59 AM (24sHa)

160 I disagree. Stupidity is timeless with most people. No cure. Born stupid, educated by the stupid, entertained by the stupid, living life by the code of stupid, dying stupidly. Lifestyle choice, and too stupid to reconsider. Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 10:45 AM (xWW96) Well, there are those that insist on running face first into the wall repeatedly. That's true

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 07:00 AM (x3YFz)

161 To make this tangentially on topic, what more is there to say? The train is going to go over the cliff and the money is not there and the only question is who is going to get screwed the most.

There is no magic way to make the Math turn out. There's just not.

Well, okay SMOD but, technically, SMOD isn't magic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 10:53 AM

 

 

I enjoy fantasy/sci-fi games and stories.  I do not believe in magic.  An 'adjustment' will happen and people are going to get a lot less than what they were promised.  Harsh, but that's the way it is going to be.

 

*shrugs*

 

That's what you get for trusting the word of politicians.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 07:00 AM (hLRSq)

162 As interest rates rise, and current foreign purchasers of our debt come to see the bad investment they're making.  Buyers of debt will have to step up.  Government will take over retirement savings and you will become the owners of the public debt at rates that will in no way ever keep pace with inflation because the government will need to inflate its way out of this mess.  It would still take generations.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:00 AM (BZAd3)

163

133 -

 

How 19th century  of them. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:00 AM (TOk1P)

164 this is sad.
i had forgot what the term smod meant other than a severe slap  of our collective asses

s=?
m=?
o=?
d=?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:01 AM (nqBYe)

165 More important: Did you watch American Idol last night? Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 10:57 AM (aDwsi) Nope. DVR'd Dancing with the Stars.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 07:01 AM (fWAjv)

166 I suppose I could just chuckle at the goonions who won't get their retirement because of their greed, because I'm not one. But the lesson of how this all happened will probably be lost because stupid. And if the pendulum's gonna swing back to the right, I wish it'd hurry. We're running out of time to fix the myriad of problems the idiot left has caused us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 07:01 AM (0HooB)

167 156 The trouble with conservatism is that the past is a moving target. Or "it only takes twenty years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea." Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 10:59 AM (24sHa) Principles and character aren't moving targets.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 07:01 AM (x3YFz)

168 161 Willow, Sweet meteor of doom/death/despair

Posted by: sven10077 at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (pheL4)

169 "And forget jubilee because every debt is someone else's asset. You end up in the same place with everyone broke. Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade" The key to a jubilee style debt resolution using the asset buying scam would be the "something for everyone except the rich bastards" approach to crowd pleasing. All debt is paid off, not just eliminated. All consumer debt, student debt, mortgages, etc. Anything documented and at arms length. All pensions are fully funded. Social Security is either eliminated by buying the individual out or funding a private (government guaranteed) annuity. All public bonds are paid off. One time. Never to be repeated.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (u2a4R)

170

Monty wrote, "Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money."

 

I'm no enemy of optimism but I don't think lack of technological advancement or improper utility of existing technologies are the reasons why government at all levels is inefficient and unbearably, unsustainably expensive.  The problem lies in the human heart and the greed, shortsightedness, selfishness, and hubris encased within it.

 

That doesn't mean better government or societal reinvention is impossible. It does mean finding a solution to a given problem first requires correctly identifying its cause or causes. In the case of bad government, the solution is to restore the rule of law by fairly punishing the corrupt, firing or demoting the incompetent, and rewarding the hardworking and the efficient.  If you construct a system where the inverse holds true and the venal and inept are rewarded and the honest and dedicated are punished, you get Chicago. You get Washington.

 

Technology is just a means, and has little to do with anything in this context.

Posted by: troyriser at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (gNlvW)

171 Urrrrrgh. Latvians, not Latvian's. Hate it when I do that.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (RD7QR)

172
   @  127


    Upstate New York, Mike.  People here, no matter the political affiliation, tend toward conservatism.

   Likely the saving grace.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (SAMxH)

173 SMOD = Sweet Meteor Of Death.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (hLRSq)

174 willow
Sweet Meteor Of Death

Posted by: VIA, willin' to take one for the team at March 27, 2014 07:02 AM (si68n)

175 sven , whew ty, ty.

my mind just kept going in circles.
i thought  er, a bunch of other crazy words.
knowing it couldn't be so

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:03 AM (nqBYe)

176

Willow, SMOD? Sweet Meteor of Death.

http://tinyurl.com/ax4jmws

 

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 07:03 AM (xWW96)

177 Willow, Sweet Meteor Of Death

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 07:04 AM (Hqoip)

178

>>>The trouble with conservatism is that the past is a moving target. Or "it only takes twenty years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea."

 

Gah. Splitting hairs maybe, but this is true for them damned SoCons [heh] mostly. For other varietals of hothouse flowers, not so much.

 

What I'm saying is: SoCons have principles they adhere to - like the rest of us - that they consider timeless. But SoCons are always fighting the tide with the rest of us not so much.

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 07:04 AM (3ZtZW)

179 Any news about the Latvian's and Lithuanians? Because Kaliningrad. Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 10:58 AM (RD7QR) They held exercises there earlier this month but I think they have been concluded.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 07:04 AM (fWAjv)

180

154 -

 

You don't have  to watch any videos.  Conservatives are the ones trying to conserve pensions, keep union jobs going, protect socialized medicine,  keep abortions flowing, and make sure we never ever stop looking to the government to solve all our problems.

 

Limited government?  Freedom of speech/worship/ownership of property?

 

Those are radical ideas. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:04 AM (TOk1P)

181 146 Over 30% of US debt is owed from one agency to another. We are paying interest from one department to the one across the street.


Interest free loans! Winning!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 10:58 AM (ix+5k)


That is an illusion.  That is the government paying a credit card with another credit card.  It makes the problem worse not better.  Here's the example: The Fed prints money to pay debt (buy treasuries via QE) then repays interest it gained from inflating the dollar and then claims success.  Smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:05 AM (BZAd3)

182 Perhaps "Hordesourcing" should be considered an actual term.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:05 AM (si68n)

183

I suppose I could just chuckle at the goonions who won't get their retirement because of their greed, because I'm not one.

 

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BB, we have to hope we don't get a Cyprus style bail in.  Else,     the savings we accumulated belong to the government.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:05 AM (eoeps)

184 Heh, I think that along with SCOAMF are two of the horde's favorite acronyms.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 07:05 AM (Hqoip)

185 hangs head in shame . Look at all you smart folks ,  i seem to have an issue  trying  to kick start my brain  today.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:06 AM (nqBYe)

186 There's a good op ed piece in today's Wall Street Journal about why the Left can't govern. They go from fiasco to fiasco both with Obamacare (and almost anything else that Obama touches) to Mayor DeBlasio to the new premier in France. These guys could butch up a two car funeral in a small town.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at March 27, 2014 07:06 AM (wdHk6)

187 maddog, u bastid!

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:06 AM (nqBYe)

188 OK, since nobody asked, I'll tell you anyway. Hypothetically (ahem) speaking: Pregnant woman, Mexican citizen, "self pay" patient, baby evaluated prior to delivery, has major cardiac defect (only one ventricle). Plans made with full Social Work assistance to relocate the mother and father to a larger city (travel & lodging provided) prior to delivery. Baby will require 1-3 months in intensive care unit with a major heart surgery in the first week of life. Baby will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid at birth. If it survives the first surgery, will expect a minimum of two additional major surgeries in the first three years of life. Total cost to American taxpayers? Well north of a million dollars (conservative estimate) for a single patient. Courtesy of the American taxpayer. Where is the responsibility of the taxpayers and government of Mexico for this? Medicaid for all + open borders = an underground railroad for Central America to outsource their complex medical care to the US. Multiply that amount by thousands and you will see the tip of the iceberg. There's your morning doom folks.

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (g4TxM)

189

You know what this thread needs?  It needs vintage Nastassja Kinski. 

 

bit.ly/QjFURb

 

Because giver.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (JtwS4)

190
  Speaking of pensions, etc--We have a certain amount of assets designed to provide us with income for our retirement.

   These assets were accrued in a legal, moral and ethical manner.

    For any entity to suggest appropriation for any manner would be extremely ill advised.

    I will protect them by whatever means necessary.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (SAMxH)

191 124 "Only blacks can criticize another black but no black shall ever criticize another black." Sounds like the law of the excluded middle.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (HsTG8)

192 184maddog, u bastid!

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 11:06 AM (nqBYe)

 

 

 

Sadly, it's true

Posted by: maddogg's Mom at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (xWW96)

193

>>>>I enjoy fantasy/sci-fi games and stories. I do not believe in magic. An 'adjustment' will happen and people are going to get a lot less than what they were promised. Harsh, but that's the way it is going to be.

 

Old series, but have you read Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun series? That's a future where everybody did nothing much until the money ran out and society calcified into castes, then forgot their once-greatness. I think it takes place in Brazil but that is never specified. The depiction of what became of North America's citzenry  is interesting.

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (3ZtZW)

194

175 -

 

I'm confused.  Are you saying the people who don't  want to be forced to marry gays (and take that any way you like), they're  resisting change too much or not enough? 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:07 AM (TOk1P)

195 BB, we have to hope we don't get a Cyprus style bail in. Else, the savings we accumulated belong to the government.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 11:05 AM (eoeps)


All that 401(k)/403(b)/IRA money just sitting there, teasing the government, just begging to be taken...

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 07:08 AM (RD7QR)

196 EC

I envy you.
Honest to god I do.


Around these here parts, we are like that old tow truck driver in the Audi commercial.

We hear a noise, feel a breeze, catch something out of the corner of our eye, and by the time we turn around.....nuthin'

Posted by: VIA, willin' to take one for the team at March 27, 2014 10:54 AM (si68n)



Then I wish I was coming to the MoMee.  I could pick up some "stuff" for any intersted parties.  At cost, ofcourse.  Maybe for a beer or two.



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:08 AM (GQ8sn)

197 The key to a jubilee style debt resolution using the asset buying scam would be the "something for everyone except the rich bastards" approach to crowd pleasing.

All debt is paid off, not just eliminated. All consumer debt, student debt, mortgages, etc. Anything documented and at arms length.

All pensions are fully funded. Social Security is either eliminated by buying the individual out or funding a private (government guaranteed) annuity. All public bonds are paid off.

One time. Never to be repeated.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 11:02 AM (u2a4R)

 

 

 

 

 

Then  you   destroy  the  currency.  This  is  no  different  than  trying  to  give  everyone  a  million  dollars.  It  can't  work.  Most  of  this  debt  is  owed  to  public  and  private  pension  funds,  trust  funds,  hedge  funds,  etc.  You  bankrupt  everyone  because  you'll  destroy  every  asset  class.  There  is  no  free  lunch  here.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 27, 2014 07:09 AM (rXcBX)

198 166 JWest, Bwahahaha If idiocy and blind stupid faith were platinum you'd be a watch bud.

Posted by: sven10077 at March 27, 2014 07:09 AM (pheL4)

199 need to borrow a raptor from alex.

and a bow, and gift wrapping paper.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:09 AM (nqBYe)

200 Secret Muslim Of Destruction

Posted by: seamrog at March 27, 2014 07:09 AM (V3CDA)

201 Polish Reserves being called up. - Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated on June 28, 1914. The news was greeted largely as ho hum. Five heads of state had been assassinated in the preceding twenty-five years and Franz was only an heir apparent, not a head of state so what's the big deal? Behind the scenes politicians were scheming, bullying, and lying and over a month later, on August 1, Germany declared war on Russia and WWI was on. Is Franz's ghost watching us and laughing?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:10 AM (XUKZU)

202 The rest of the world would go along with the scam because it would be in their best interest to do so.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 10:53 AM (u2a4R)



Then we're replacing one scam with another one.


Dumb.  The same problem will happen again.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:10 AM (GQ8sn)

203 And I know there's a lot of curmudgeons around here with best intentions, but technology is our best bet to break away from the FSA and state destroying everything. The people have spoken. And they hate you.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 07:10 AM (09o/X)

204 BB, we have to hope we don't get a Cyprus style bail in. Else, the savings we accumulated belong to the government. Yeah, I was thinking of a logical world where everything wasn't backwards. I dread to think what it'll take before the country awakens to the fact that it can't not be interested in politics. At some point, reality must intrude.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 07:10 AM (0HooB)

205 161 this is sad. i had forgot what the term smod meant other than a severe slap of our collective asses s=? m=? o=? d=? Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 11:01 AM (nqBYe) Sweet Meteor of Death. And I wrote about the SMOD Zone in the ONT. http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=348149#c21952145

Posted by: rickl at March 27, 2014 07:11 AM (zoehZ)

206 The people have spoken, and they just want you to be poor.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 07:11 AM (09o/X)

207 The people have spoken, and they just want to feel good about taking your rights by making up new ones.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 07:11 AM (09o/X)

208 Honestly I'm feeling optimistic about the future again. The tech/geek/google industry used to be all in with the Dem establishment, giving them crucial young blood support. That has all but unraveled in the light of Snowden's revelations about the extent of NSA spying. I was listening to an NPR segment on tech privacy and different private sector security geeks said they no longer look to the government to provide them with electronic security and privacy, and they realize the private tech sector will have to do it all on their own, often in spite of or thwarting the government. Look at the big trends: pro guns, pro pot, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro privacy in all forms. The country is trending libertarian because basically everyone is scared as shit of the government and has no respect for its efficacy at anything other than ruining lives.

Posted by: Roadrunner at March 27, 2014 07:12 AM (1Zpcq)

209 I have no optimism. The Progressive, government-growing Leftists have been steadily recruiting a larger percentage of the general population with bribes and freebies. Our educational institutions have been indoctrinating children to believe leftist propaganda and it has worked. The side of small government has been demonized. These changes did't happen overnight. They cannot be reversed overnight and I fear we don't have half the time needed to even begin reversing them before collapse. No, sorry. The only way out of this is collapse and it is goung to be ugly.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 27, 2014 07:12 AM (L2I78)

210 200 And I know there's a lot of curmudgeons around here with best intentions, but technology is our best bet to break away from the FSA and state destroying everything.

The people have spoken. And they hate you.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 11:10 AM (09o/X)


And yet they still want our money. Talk about dysfunctional relationships.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 07:12 AM (RD7QR)

211 and it should have been

'I have forgotten.'

but  why rub it in.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:12 AM (nqBYe)

212 Now red states, y'all quit voting for "conservative" democrat senators, THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Posted by: traye at March 27, 2014 10:37 AM (5m4Yl)


Preach it!  The last one was Zell Miller and the Dims hated him.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (kXoT0)

213 Here is the Kobie Bryant article concerning his views on StTraytable

Scroll to the comments.

http://tinyurl.com/lqg2bzu

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (si68n)

214 182 hangs head in shame . Look at all you smart folks , i seem to have an issue trying to kick start my brain today. Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 11:06 AM (nqBYe) I caught the plague or ebola or some really bad combination of STDs on the plane last weekend. Bad juju. Taking the wife to the airport this morning I was doing 40 in a 65. Can't think straight at all so I'm lying in bed watching the Sprout Channel since Thomas The Train is about the peak of my cognitive ability right now.

Posted by: tangonine at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (x3YFz)

215

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 11:07 AM (3ZtZW)

 

Nope - I'll have to look for it.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (hLRSq)

216 Oh, I'm coming but you don't want it bad enough yet. You'll be begging me to come before I'll get there.

Posted by: SMOD at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (XUKZU)

217 Look at the big trends: pro guns, pro pot, pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro privacy in all forms. The country is trending libertarian because basically everyone is scared as shit of the government and has no respect for its efficacy at anything other than ruining lives. Posted by: Roadrunner at March 27, 2014 11:12 AM (1Zpcq) Crypto-currency is also breaking the Fed's stranglehold on currency. By the time they step in to stop it, Bitcoin 3.0 will laugh and carry on much as Bittorrent laughs off enforcement of the Mickey Mouse Protection Act.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (09o/X)

218 192 BB, we have to hope we don't get a Cyprus style bail in. Else, the savings we accumulated belong to the government. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 11:05 AM (eoeps) All that 401(k)/403(b)/IRA money just sitting there, teasing the government, just begging to be taken... Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 11:08 AM (RD7QR) Given that I'm 31, I fully expect to see 401ks raided by the government at least once before I hit 50.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 07:13 AM (Hqoip)

219 The problem with big-L Liberals is the are too ignorant to know how ignorant they are. This is the birth-mother of teh Hubris.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 07:14 AM (QupBk)

220 Reports of a plane crash near the Canary Islands.  Number of people or airline unknown.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:14 AM (BZAd3)

221 And yet they still want our money. Talk about dysfunctional relationships. Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 11:12 AM (RD7QR) It's my new meme I guess, cribbed from that one book: The People Have Spoken, and They're Wrong.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 07:14 AM (09o/X)

222

205 -

 

Wow, that is a very very high concentration of whimsy right there.

 

I might suggest you are high on something, but that wouldn't be nice, so I won't. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:15 AM (TOk1P)

223 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 11:13 AM (kXoT0) Didn't Zell challenge Chrissy Matthews to a duel?

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 07:15 AM (fWAjv)

224 Given that I'm 31, I fully expect to see 401ks raided by the government at least once before I hit 50.


I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:15 AM (GQ8sn)

225 Remember Chik-fil-A Day? Hobby Lobby Day is coming up on Saturday. http://tinyurl.com/lrbu9h9 I have one nearby and I'll be sure to be there.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 07:15 AM (7ObY1)

226 tangonine i cannot blame it on something so exotic.
i blame myself and two glasses of wine last night, but mainly myself.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:15 AM (nqBYe)

227 The people have spoken, having forgotten the old axiom "tis better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 07:16 AM (xWW96)

228 i blame myself and two glasses of wine last night, but mainly myself.


OMG!  willow's an alky!!!

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:16 AM (GQ8sn)

229 These guys could butch up a two car funeral in a small town. The proper description is, "They could fuck up an anvil."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 07:17 AM (0HooB)

230 I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens. Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (GQ8sn) I think they'll just be more obvious and start taking over industries/banks.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 07:17 AM (09o/X)

231 EC, well perhaps that's an adjective i can fulfill to the best of my abilty!

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:18 AM (nqBYe)

232 EC

The NoVA crowd may not have the same issues that we do.


But for some reason, every time we try a BalCoMoMee (Baltimore County), it's only a handful of us. Well, except for SpyPeach and her husband who drove quite a few hours to get here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:19 AM (si68n)

233

I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens.

Posted by: EC

 

---

 

95% of all mortgages are now held by the federal government, and nobody lifted a finger.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:20 AM (eoeps)

234 I think the 2nd most depressing part about The Strain is the descriptions and accounts of how people will just get used to a brutal life of slavery in the camps.
The most depressing is how there will be a large chunk of fellow humans who will willingly keep the rest of us in camps in order to secure for themselves a little better life.

All because it is true.

And we see the chorus on the left getting louder and louder everyday--"put them [conservatives] in the camps!"


Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2014 07:20 AM (VjL9S)

235 on August 1, Germany declared war on Russia and WWI was on. Is Franz's ghost watching us and laughing? Fapping.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 07:20 AM (ix+5k)

236 I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)

One would like to think so, or preferably that the people will have had enough prior to that point, but will they? Will we?



One thing's for sure, those who protest *will* be made examples of. The ruling class has too much riding on all this to just give up.

Posted by: [/i]KG at March 27, 2014 07:20 AM (p7BzH)

237 New report: Passenger plan makes sea landing off Canary Islands.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:21 AM (BZAd3)

238 http://tinyurl.com/lrbu9h9


I have one nearby and I'll be sure to be there.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (7ObY1)


Same here.  I have to buy the flowers for Memorial Day, might as well be Saturday--if they have them this early.  Otherwise, I will find something to show support.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 07:21 AM (kXoT0)

239 >I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)<



Yes there will be.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 27, 2014 07:21 AM (sjdRT)

240 Reports of a plane crash near the Canary Islands. Number of people or airline unknown. A trend! When will we wake up and pass aerodynamics control legislation? Even if it only saves one life, it will be worth it. But the extreme Right, in the thrall of Big Physics and the Koch brothers, refuse to act. It's time to stand up to the corporatists on the right and pass reasonable measures to stop the turbulence!

Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 07:22 AM (24sHa)

241 227 I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens. Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (GQ8sn) I think they'll just be more obvious and start taking over industries/banks. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 27, 2014 11:17 AM (09o/X) They probably could too. Remember the protesters who were screaming at and terrifying the children of stock brokers? What would happen if the President and media stoked the flames even more, and the cops didn't bother to show up. Let the mobs kill off the owners, then the "benevolent" government takes control, just in the interim, until new owners are found to run the business.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 07:23 AM (DgLwO)

242

New report: Passenger plan makes sea landing off Canary Islands.

 

--

 

Maylasia refuses to confirm

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:23 AM (eoeps)

243 Hobby Lobby Day is coming up on Saturday.

*mrburns*
Excellent.

I'm pretty sure I don't need anything, but that's never stopped me before.



...and now Imma go get a H8 chickin sammich before the "subsistence farming for the health of the nation!" assholes ban them entirely.

Posted by: HR at March 27, 2014 07:23 AM (ZKzrr)

244 Speaking of Kobe Bryant: The role of the Terminator was originally going to be portrayed by O. J. Simpson. But, according to (James) Cameron in 1984, "people wouldn't have believed a nice guy like O. J. playing the part of a ruthless killer."

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:23 AM (XUKZU)

245 Reuters tweet feed is squawking hard about the plane down near the Canaries.
But, no info on flt#,passengers, or anything else except "Plane Down"

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:24 AM (si68n)

246 One time. Never to be repeated. Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 11:02 AM (u2a4R) If it never needs to be repeated, it doesn't need to be done at all.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 07:24 AM (1Y+hH)

247 If we had high speed rail to Europe, we would   solve this problem

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 27, 2014 07:25 AM (eoeps)

248 "Then you destroy the currency" The value of currency is just an illusion everyone agrees on. It's just printing on paper, entries in ledgers. Doing an asset based reset actually ties the value of currency to hard assets.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 07:25 AM (u2a4R)

249 so.

is anyone else bothered  on How  all the mideast countries,  spain,  ukraine, all were agitated into starting  civil unrest  in this short time frame?


Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:25 AM (nqBYe)

250 The proper description is, "They could fuck up an anvil." Posted by: BackwardsBoy ------------------ "they numpties couldnae organise a pissup in a brewery." In reference to MSPs( members of scottish parliment)

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 07:25 AM (aDwsi)

251 Given that I'm 31, I fully expect to see 401ks raided by the government at least once before I hit 50.



I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens.


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)



See, I want to believe there would be rioting.  I really do.  Because there SHOULD BE   rioting    for a breach of trust and an overstep of power so egregious as the seizure of 401(K),   403(b),  IRA,   or other  private    funds.    But I have a very bad -- very very bad -- feeling    that   too many people would accept whatever   weak ass carrot the gubmint would offer as reasoning and recompense.   "We're not TAKING your money.  We'll still give it to you, just on our timetable     and in amounts we feel are most reasonable for everyone involved.   It's not like we're STEALING from you."


Of course   that's PRECISELY what they'd be doing,   but too many people are too STUPID to understand that.   They've been brainwashed into swallowing the wholesale gubmint lie that their money is only that which the gubmint allows them to keep.  That is so bass-ackward    I can't even...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:25 AM (4df7R)

252 Preach it! The last one was Zell Miller and the Dims hated him.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 11:13 AM (kXoT0)

 

I admire the hell out of Zell Miller (who is still alive but elderly and no longer a public figure).  He was the last of the great Jacksonian Democrats. I especially liked it when Miller, a former Marine, seemed on the verge of challenging Chris Matthews to a duel during an especially combative interview after Miller's speech at the 2004 Republican convention.  I would've paid good money to see that old man face down Chrissy Matthews with a flintlock pistol at 15 paces.

 

We won't see his like again.

Posted by: troyriser at March 27, 2014 07:25 AM (gNlvW)

253 234 New report: Passenger plan makes sea landing off Canary Islands.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 11:21 AM (BZAd3)


Don't see this on any of the major sites. Got any details?

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 07:26 AM (RD7QR)

254 Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak Update - Reuters: Canary Islands Emergency Services say staff mistook a shipping vessel in the sea for a crashed plane

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 27, 2014 07:26 AM (ZPrif)

255 i shouldn't have said 'all'

many

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:26 AM (nqBYe)

256 Another day, another embrace of the culture of death. http://tinyurl.com/px56pyu Abortion – the “life-sustaining act” of the ages. That’s the theme behind an exhibit currently on display at the University of Michigan dedicated to defending and glamorizing the history of abortion. “4000 Years for Choice is an exhibition of posters about the age-old practices of abortion and contraception as a means to reclaim reproductive freedom as a deeply personal and life-sustaining act existing throughout all of human history,” states a university webpage describing the exhibit. The exhibit will be showcased through May 29 in the main lobby of the Lane Hall women’s studies building on campus. The exhibit consists of dozens of brightly colored posters with bold words, phrases and documentation meant to highlight and celebrate all the ways in which women over the millennia have performed abortions.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 07:26 AM (fWAjv)

257 Given that I'm 31, I fully expect to see 401ks raided by the government at least once before I hit 50.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 11:13 AM (Hqoip)


My advice, do take advantage of 401(k)s and IRAs, but, also keep debt to a minimum and invest in hard assets such as gold or platinum.  My theory is if you have at least some money in a 401(k), they will snatch a slice of it and not look further into your assets structures.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 07:26 AM (kXoT0)

258 Canary Islands staff, bringing the derp

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 27, 2014 07:27 AM (ZPrif)

259 One time. Never to be repeated. **** Where have we heard that before?

Posted by: High school girls everywhere on prom night at March 27, 2014 07:27 AM (g4TxM)

260

But I have a very bad -- very very bad -- feeling that too many people would accept whatever weak ass carrot the gubmint would offer as reasoning and recompense. "We're not TAKING your money. We'll still give it to you, just on our timetable and in amounts we feel are most reasonable for everyone involved. It's not like we're STEALING from you."

 

Posted by: MWR

 

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All they would have to do is remove the penalty, and push forward the RMD, and   voila, more tax revenue.

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 27, 2014 07:27 AM (eoeps)

261 BANNION! For to be getting willow a raptor, some wrapping paper and a bow.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 07:27 AM (mf5HN)

262 >255 Canary Islands staff, bringing the derp<




We heart Canary Islands staff!!

Posted by: Malaysia at March 27, 2014 07:28 AM (sjdRT)

263 Mass forgiveness of debt will inexorably lead to a debt race. And if you legislate against that, it will inexorably lead to an economy in permanent depression. Wait, this is starting to sound familiar....

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 07:28 AM (1Y+hH)

264 Breaking: Canary Islands report giant flaming meteor crashing into earth! Correction: Turns out it was just the sun setting. Sorry.

Posted by: Canary Islands Staff at March 27, 2014 07:28 AM (ZPrif)

265 Breaking news:  Malaysian ATC staff on vacation   in    the Canary Islands assists local airport.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:29 AM (eoeps)

266 My theory is if you have at least some money in a 401(k), they will snatch a slice of it and not look further into your assets structures. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 11:26 AM (kXoT0) **** MEMO To: IRS From: NSA Have someone look deeper into Sherry McEvil's assets structures. Love, Jake

Posted by: Jake from NSA, wearing khakis at 2 in the morning at March 27, 2014 07:29 AM (g4TxM)

267 >Posted by: Canary Islands Staff at March 27, 2014 11:28 AM (ZPrif)<



How YOU doin'?

Posted by: Malaysia at March 27, 2014 07:29 AM (sjdRT)

268 Update - Reuters: Canary Islands Emergency Services say staff mistook a shipping vessel in the sea for a crashed plane - I think that's a typo. They meant Coo Coo Islands.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:30 AM (XUKZU)

269

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 11:13 AM (hLRSq)

 

Do yourself a favor. Read *about* it first, see if you want to go further. Its an endeavor, like Crime and Punishment or the Thomas Covenant books.

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 07:30 AM (3ZtZW)

270 95% of all mortgages are now held by the federal government, and nobody lifted a finger.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 11:20 AM (eoeps)


There's a difference between backing a note and outright seizure of property.


Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:30 AM (GQ8sn)

271 The value of currency is just an illusion everyone agrees on. Not entirely. The real value of the currency is the productivity of the people who use it. It's just a tool to account for the productive labor that one provides to another.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 07:31 AM (24sHa)

272 BBC actually reported the downed boat.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 27, 2014 07:31 AM (ZPrif)

273 well the lefts rapacious greed might destroy us , but it will also destroy them in the end.

trying for a silver lining in  my anger

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:31 AM (nqBYe)

274 Canary Islands Staff reports half witted imbecile has accosted the Pope.
Attempted to force book of Mao's teachings into his hands.
Pope reported as safe, and recuperating from encounter.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:31 AM (si68n)

275 New report: Passenger plan makes sea landing off Canary Islands.


Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 11:21 AM (BZAd3)


Don't see this on any of the major sites. Got any details?


Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 11:26 AM (RD7QR)



I just saw somewhere that it was a false alarm, but I have no idea.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:32 AM (4df7R)

276 There appear to be thousands of crashed planes on the highway! The crash appears to have short off their wings. The planes seem to have broken into smaller pieces, mostly hatchback and sedan sized.

Posted by: Canary Islands Staff at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (ZPrif)

277

95% of all mortgages are now held by the federal government, and nobody lifted a finger.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 11:20 AM (eoeps)
There's a difference between backing a note and outright seizure of property.

Posted by: EC

 

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Yes, but technically, if you have a mortgage, the federal government is now the owner of your house,   and they could call it.   Of course, the federal government would never    selectively choose people to go after.........

 

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (eoeps)

278 BREAKING NEWS: Black hole sighted near the Canary Islands. Sumpin' sumpin'

Posted by: CNN sumpin' sumpin' at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (g4TxM)

279 so i guess no-one feels the same anxiety  of watching country after country's civil unrest  in such a small time frame, and question if its all planned events of some sort?

i know i's tinfoil hattish but it's really bugging me.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (nqBYe)

280 Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak

Update - Reuters: Canary Islands Emergency Services say staff mistook a shipping vessel in the sea for a crashed plane

Posted by: Costanza Defense at March 27, 2014 11:26 AM (ZPrif)



Because they're so similar.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (4df7R)

281 Seizure of 401k's and IRA's will be easy. The government will create a crisis so big that the consensus will be that seizure of these assets will be the rational move in return for promise of some sort of annuity at a guaranteed return. It will all be very rational. We'll be getting fucked, but it will seem perfectly normal at the time.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (32Ze2)

282 See, I want to believe there would be rioting. I really do. Because there SHOULD BE rioting for a breach of trust and an overstep of power so egregious as the seizure of 401(K), 403(b), IRA, or other private funds. But I have a very bad -- very very bad -- feeling that too many people would accept whatever weak ass carrot the gubmint would offer as reasoning and recompense. "We're not TAKING your money. We'll still give it to you, just on our timetable and in amounts we feel are most reasonable for everyone involved. It's not like we're STEALING from you." Of course that's PRECISELY what they'd be doing, but too many people are too STUPID to understand that. They've been brainwashed into swallowing the wholesale gubmint lie that their money is only that which the gubmint allows them to keep. That is so bass-ackward I can't even... Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 27, 2014 11:25 AM (4df7R) I am still in the camp that seizure of 401(k)s will lead to blood in the streets. I agree with you about the whole vast swaths of humanity needing flash cards to help remind them how to breathe. However, there is still a subset who don't and who would not take kindly to such an action. So peeved that I've had to move from the cray cray cuckoo bananas view of 401(k) seizure to being stunned that it hasn't happened yet. I am not carrying around a spray bottle of vinegar to combat the chemtrails. It clashes so with my jaunty hat.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (mf5HN)

283 EC

The NoVA crowd may not have the same issues that we do.


But for some reason, every time we try a BalCoMoMee (Baltimore County), it's only a handful of us. Well, except for SpyPeach and her husband who drove quite a few hours to get here.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 11:19 AM (si68n)



Well, anything to help out fellow morons. 

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (GQ8sn)

284 See, I want to believe there would be rioting. I really do. Because there SHOULD BE rioting for a breach of trust and an overstep of power so egregious as the seizure of 401(K), 403(b), IRA, or other private funds. FDR seized private gold in the 30s and nobody did anything about it. We haven't been a nation that fiercely believed in the sanctity of private property for a long time. No one will do anything significant.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 07:33 AM (24sHa)

285 Link to crashing tugboat

http://tinyurl.com/mh2t6b5

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:34 AM (si68n)

286 Yeah, BBC backing off now. "False Alarm" is the word.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2014 07:34 AM (gOoFi)

287

Don't the Canary Islands still hold the record for largest loss  of life in an air accident?

 

From the 70s, I think.   One jet clipped the other, due to a runway kerfluffle. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:34 AM (TOk1P)

288 "We'll be getting fucked, but it will seem perfectly normal at the time." Call it the "Sandra Fluke Effect"...

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2014 07:35 AM (gOoFi)

289 268 The value of currency is just an illusion everyone agrees on. "Not entirely. The real value of the currency is the productivity of the people who use it. It's just a tool to account for the productive labor that one provides to another." True, so if there isn't a disruption in the relationship of productivity to currency, the currency will maintain it's value. Although paying off everyone's debt would cause a temporary wealth effect, the fundamental basis for the value of the currency would be maintained.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 07:35 AM (u2a4R)

290 Breaking: Entire island reported to be tilting, spinning! Correction: Nope, we were just drunk. Sorry.

Posted by: Canary Islands Staff at March 27, 2014 07:36 AM (ZPrif)

291 We don't turn the radar on until noon.

Posted by: Canary Islands Defense Minister and proprietor of Tico's souvenir stand at March 27, 2014 07:36 AM (g4TxM)

292 Burt
Teneriffe (sp)
Single worse air disaster in history of civil aviation

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:36 AM (si68n)

293

Don't the Canary Islands still hold the record for largest loss of life in an air accident?

From the 70s, I think. One jet clipped the other, due to a runway kerfluffle.

 

---

 

 

Yes, two loaded 747s on the same runway at the same time.  Over 500 killed.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:36 AM (eoeps)

294 Rather than repudiate all debt, why not just print money and give enough to everyone to pay off their debts? I'm sure they'll behave properly with those credit cards after that.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 07:36 AM (1Y+hH)

295 Another day, another embrace of the culture of death. - phrases and quotes from various pro-choice activists against colorful backdrops; expressions such as: “Abortion is a gift from God,” “Abortion is a blessing” and “anything 46 million women do every year can’t be immoral.” “The act of abortion positions women at their most powerful…” So I guess abortion comes from a place of strength rather than from weakness.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:37 AM (XUKZU)

296 See, I want to believe there would be rioting. I really do. Because there SHOULD BE rioting for a breach of trust and an overstep of power so egregious as the seizure of 401(K), 403(b), IRA, or other private funds. But I have a very bad -- very very bad -- feeling that too many people would accept whatever weak ass carrot the gubmint would offer as reasoning and recompense. "We're not TAKING your money. We'll still give it to you, just on our timetable and in amounts we feel are most reasonable for everyone involved. It's not like we're STEALING from you."
Of course that's PRECISELY what they'd be doing, but too many people are too STUPID to understand that. They've been brainwashed into swallowing the wholesale gubmint lie that their money is only that which the gubmint allows them to keep. That is so bass-ackward I can't even...
============
Watch the edges, that's where the action is at.

Steal little, steal big.

GM bankruptcy wasn't just about the unions--it was also a test run to get the necessary bankruptcy precedent for the next step.
So was Corzine--$2 billion gone and not one person whose money it was has said a peep. Why?

Many of the pieces are already in place.

What they need is the cover of popular support--even if they manufacture the crowds and/or the crisis.

"I [stole] it one piece at a time,
"And it didn't cost me a dime."

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2014 07:37 AM (VjL9S)

297 Somebody confused an airliner falling out of the sky with a........tugboat.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2014 07:37 AM (gOoFi)

298 well if you start  with the thought;

You didn't build that, It is easy to believe, 'It's our money too.'

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:37 AM (nqBYe)

299 BREAKING NEWS!    Canary Islands     no longer   bright yellow   and covered in feathers!    Now appear    greenish and brown,  with tree cover and soil!    GLOBAL WARMING TO BLAME!



CORRECTION TO BREAKING NEWS:   Canary Islands were never bright yellow   and did not have feathers.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:37 AM (4df7R)

300 Tenerife disaster, from Wiki

http://tinyurl.com/lzrjz2

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:38 AM (si68n)

301 Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 11:34 AM (TOk1P) Yeah.....I think a 747 on takeoff t-boned a plane crossing the runway....fog...I think.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2014 07:38 AM (j7iSn)

302 The Media, and elites, have spent generations trying to force a multi axis political belief system, into a binary decision set... Because.... two parties. There is nothing the US Constitution saying we must be a Two Party system... "The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party dissention, which in different ages & countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders & miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security & repose in the absolute power of an Individual: and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty." — George Washington, September 19, 1796

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 27, 2014 07:38 AM (84gbM)

303 Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money. I doubt that this is the case -- a century's worth of untrammeled growth of government at all levels argues against it -- but we shall see. I agree, Monty. Technology can't save us: what will save us is a return to some semblance of common sense along with a dollop of empathy. Failing that, we need far more restrictions on government's power. It's become painfully clear that the current crop of pols have no scruples and don't recognize that there are limits to what they can do. We need some hard and fast laws against this Postmodern approach to governing that says in no uncertain terms (read "jail time") that, "Beyond this, you will not go."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 07:38 AM (0HooB)

304 266
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 27, 2014 11:13 AM (hLRSq)

Do yourself a favor. Read *about* it first, see if you want to go further. Its an endeavor, like Crime and Punishment or the Thomas Covenant books.

Posted by: Bigby's Grabby Hands at March 27, 2014 11:30 AM (3ZtZW)


The Book of the New Sun is not easy but it's worth the trouble.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 07:38 AM (RD7QR)

305 Don't see this on any of the major sites. Got any details?




Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 11:26 AM (RD7QR)

Evidently, the Canary Island government mistook a floating crane as a crashed plane.   Hey it happens -  they do rhythm after all.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:38 AM (BZAd3)

306 The cause of the false alarm regarding the crashed passenger plane that was really a tugboat or possibly a pod of dolphins has been identified as Global Warming!

Posted by: Canary Islands Defense Minister and proprietor of Tico's souvenir stand at March 27, 2014 07:39 AM (g4TxM)

307 This just in from the Canary Islands: It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Super . . . No, it's definitely a crashing plane.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:39 AM (XUKZU)

308 And in Breaking news... We still have not found the Malaysian Airliner...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 27, 2014 07:40 AM (84gbM)

309 291 "Rather than repudiate all debt, why not just print money and give enough to everyone to pay off their debts? " Just printing money would deflate the value of currency. By "selling" assets, everything remains in balance while resetting the personal and governmental debt structure of the country.

Posted by: jwest at March 27, 2014 07:40 AM (u2a4R)

310

296 -

 

Hah!

 

Hopefully the Del Monte factory is still safe. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:40 AM (TOk1P)

311 You smart asses think you could do better?

Posted by: Canary Island's Staff at March 27, 2014 07:40 AM (si68n)

312 30 years ago, The Breakfast Club finally got out of detention. BENDER: Claire...you wanna see a picture of a guy with elephantitis of the nuts? It's pretty tasty... Claire: No thank you... BENDER: How do you think he rides a bike?

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 07:40 AM (7ObY1)

313

There is nothing the US Constitution saying we must be a Two Party system... 

 

No, but the Single Member District Plurality system leads inevitably to two parties.  It can be shaken by an insurgent party, but the weaker incumbent party invariably dies.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 27, 2014 07:41 AM (JtwS4)

314 Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money. I doubt that this is the case -- a century's worth of untrammeled growth of government at all levels argues against it -- but we shall see. - The problem, dear Mead, is not in our technology but in ourselves that we are underlings.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:42 AM (XUKZU)

315

298 -

 

Actually, I don't think   fog  had anything to do with it.  It was big fat stupid idiot Canary Island air traffic controllers. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:42 AM (TOk1P)

316 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at March 27, 2014 11:38 AM (0HooB) Actually.... technology is a force multiplier for Government power. With modern communications, they can plot very quickly... and make National Policy effective in a heartbeat.... it does not even have to be printed and delivered... We not have tyranny on a National scale undreamed of by Tyrants of the past, because of technology.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 27, 2014 07:42 AM (84gbM)

317 FDR seized private gold in the 30s and nobody did anything about it. People trusted the gov back then.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 07:42 AM (ix+5k)

318 It's a plane...
No, It's a Tug Boat...

No, It's a desert topping...
No, It's a floor wax.

Aw shucks, now we're just showing off.

Posted by: Canary Island's Staff at March 27, 2014 07:42 AM (si68n)

319 MEMO
To: IRS
From: NSA

Have someone look deeper into Sherry McEvil's assets structures.

Love,

Jake

Posted by: Jake from NSA, wearing khakis at 2 in the morning at March 27, 2014 11:29 AM (g4TxM)


Dear Jake:


You do not want to mess with the Stiletto Corsette's uniform allowances.  It would be very bad for you to interfere with the free flow of tailored leather, mink, and large diamonds.


Sincerely,

Sherry McEvil

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 07:43 AM (kXoT0)

320 312 298 - Actually, I don't think fog had anything to do with it. It was big fat stupid idiot Canary Island air traffic controllers. Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 11:42 AM (TOk1P) Patco?

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2014 07:43 AM (j7iSn)

321 More Palin endorsements:

Lizbeth Benacquisto - Florida CD-19 race
Karen Handel - GA US Senate

Posted by: mrp at March 27, 2014 07:43 AM (JBggj)

322 Burt Teneriffe (sp) Single worse air disaster in history of civil aviation Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 11:36 AM (si68n) ------------------------ You mean it wasn't JFK Jr. doing his controlled flight into the drink off of Mawthas Vinyawd?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 27, 2014 07:43 AM (32Ze2)

323
Reports that the Canary Islands have tipped over are wildly exaggerated The  possibility of island tipping remains a hazard, and especially vulnerable is Manhattan island because of the excessive weight.

Posted by: Hank Johnson, D-Moonbat at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (nQjHM)

324 “anything 46 million women do every year can’t be immoral.”


46 million women?   Really?   Is   that in the US, or worldwide?   Because if that's the US?   A country with 300 million people, only a relatively low percentage of whom are women of child bearing age?       Then   not only are we immoral as a nation, we are   damned without hope of redemption.


Anyone want to get some figures for how many   rapes are committed every year?      Because I expect shooting back,  "Anything  (XYZ) number of men do every year can't be immoral"   would be enough to sew those fucking vaginalogues'  mouths    shut.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (4df7R)

325 FDR seized private gold in the 30s and nobody did anything about it.



People trusted the gov back then.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 11:42 AM (ix+5k)

People have been quietly reacquiring it in large quantities since then. 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (kXoT0)

326 >>>Mead is optimistic that America can re-invent itself yet again and take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money.<<<

Two things must occur for this to happen:
1.  We need a legitimate flying car
2.  Harry Reid needs to be kicked in the nads until he retires.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (oJUxt)

327 FDR seized private gold in the 30s and nobody did anything about it.



Actually, many, many people hoarded their gold.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (BZAd3)

328 The mind can do funny things (Canary Islands). They've got that lost plane on the brain. A few days after 9/11 I was driving down the street, heard a roar from construction equipment and hallucinated a jumbo jet flying very low right over a nearby building. In daylight. Just lasted a micro-second, but that micro-second was terrifying.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (1Y+hH)

329 CORRECTION TO BREAKING NEWS: Canary Islands were never bright yellow and did not have feathers. Well fuck me.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 07:44 AM (ix+5k)

330 O/T want to correct something from one of the early threads, a misconception about common core that really bugs me. While technically it is only math and English, in elementary and middle school social studies (aka history) is taught as a block with English. So, the social studies textbooks and lessons are being updated to be common core compliant under the guise that they are used as English lessons as well. A sneaky back door way of updating history to current progressive thinking.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 27, 2014 07:46 AM (RZ8pf)

331

Just delurking to say I spilled hot chicken soup all over my lap.

 

This is turning out to be one hell of a day.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2014 07:46 AM (zF6Iw)

332 The whole Tenerife disaster thing was caused by the KLM Pilot being impatient and attempting to take off before being authorized. The whole mess was so avoidable. Tragic

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 27, 2014 07:46 AM (32Ze2)

333 Anyone familiar with history realizes we are the beginnings of a totalitarian state. I'm not sure that's what these grown-up hippy radicals wanted, but that's what they're gonna get.

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at March 27, 2014 07:46 AM (jHf6U)

334

323 -

 

Do we have to stop kicking him in the nads  once he retires? 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:47 AM (TOk1P)

335 Politicians come and go (after they have stolen enough out of our pockets). Bureaucrats stay on forever, and they keep their government employees 'satisfied'. This whole system is fcuked up. We let it get this way. How do we expect any politician to fix the system? They are the system.

Posted by: Erowmero at March 27, 2014 07:47 AM (1gcFZ)

336 CORRECTION TO BREAKING NEWS: Canary Islands were never bright yellow and did not have feathers.

-----------

Nope, they were named after a large type of dog, Perro de Presa Canario, the reference is canine, rather than avian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perro_de_Presa_Canario

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 07:47 AM (kXoT0)

337 traye, thanks for that link. I have met a few of those kids too. For every one of them, I think there are 10 or 20 fools, unfortunately. Still, hope is good. CitizenX, I'm with ya on all of that( so is Mrs Eez). I call myself a Radical Jeffersonian, fwiw. "I want government to do less with far less. " someone said that upthread, and thats a good thought too I think it's Professor Reynolds who says something like: "those scary libertarians, they want to take over the government and leave people alone".

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at March 27, 2014 07:47 AM (+jyzN)

338 This just in: Senator Patty Murray is a double threat, both ugly and stupid.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:47 AM (XUKZU)

339 "Well fuck me."

Can't we just cuddle?

Posted by: Reggie Love at March 27, 2014 07:47 AM (si68n)

340 FDR seized private gold in the 30s and nobody did anything about it.







People trusted the gov back then.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 11:42 AM (ix+5k)



People    just    elected a fucking toddler     with no experience and   shit background    to the White House.    Twice.



People are too stupid to NOT trust the fucking gubmint.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:48 AM (4df7R)

341 Regarding the discussion of Jubilee and timing in the first hundred comments, my OT read came boiled down to this: If you couldn't find something useful to do with yourself, you could voluntarily become someone else's slave (servant is probably a better translation). Every 7th year anyone who had become a slave in the past 7 years could walk away and try again as their own man as it were, or choose to remain a slave "permanently" (which gives an incentive to figure out something useful to do before then, or accept servitude).

The year after every 7th 7th year (so the 50th year), Jubilee was to be declared and all such slaves were freed, all debts cancelled, and all land returned to the family it was assigned to at the time of Israel's founding.

As far as I can tell these instructions were never put into practice. But if you think about it, you can see where this would put some serious limits on the runaway exponential debt growth we are burdened with.

Posted by: Methos at March 27, 2014 07:48 AM (hO9ad)

342 Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 27, 2014 11:41 AM (JtwS4) Funny that the founders spoke of their fear of a Two Party system... and.. hmm... is there any other Government in the world that only has two parties? That is not despotic in nature? Even Russia has 4 parties in its Parliament... The two parties have even jerrrymandered campaign law, to give themselves an advantage. And thus.... folks like me.... strong Fiscal Con, Social libertarian (small L) have no party in Government who represents our views... Because the pull today is between Social Cons and Social Liberals.... and Statist vs Constitutionalists... which is a multi access political field.... which cannot fit into a binary decision set.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 27, 2014 07:48 AM (84gbM)

343 Just delurking to say I spilled hot chicken soup all over my lap. This is turning out to be one hell of a day. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2014 11:46 AM (zF6Iw) If it makes you feel any better, the Rack did an awesome job of catching the chai I dumped all over me this morning.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 07:48 AM (mf5HN)

344 How do we expect any politician to fix the system? They are the system.
Posted by: Erowmero at March 27, 2014 11:47 AM

==
Systems come and go.

Posted by: DOS 6.2 at March 27, 2014 07:49 AM (JBggj)

345 Gonna grill a big fat Wegman's steak for lunch. Took it out of the freezer the other day, it's been rainy and cold ever since. I'm so annoyed that the winter has dragged on nearly into April, today's weather is half-decent, I dare not wait until dinner time lest it turns on me.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 07:49 AM (ZshNr)

346 People trusted the gov back then. I fear that people trust the government now. Maybe not the NSA, but they love and trust Social Security and Medicare. And they love and trust Barry, because the media tells them he's lovable and trustworthy. Which isn't that far from FDR. Maybe I'm wrong, but I just think we have too much ignorance, greed, and apathy among the people to fight off things like this right now. It would take a religious awakening to lead people back to liberty.

Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 07:49 AM (24sHa)

347 No canaries in the Canary Islands? Next you'll tell me there's no cooks in the Cook Islands, and no Easter on Easter Island.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 07:50 AM (7ObY1)

348 What happens when an "ette goes bad..

http://tinyurl.com/lbyohc6

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:50 AM (si68n)

349 I want to know how exactly we can actually shrink govt? Lets say we got a perfect conservative Pres and Senate & House majorities in 2016. What do they do to actually get the country back on track?

Posted by: death panels at March 27, 2014 07:51 AM (nPaiL)

350 And yet they still want our money. Talk about dysfunctional relationships.

Posted by: joncelli at March 27, 2014 11:12 AM (RD7QR)

 

Sounds like my ex.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 07:51 AM (DrWcr)

351 Next you'll tell me there's no cooks in the Cook Islands, and no Easter on Easter Island.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 11:50 AM (7ObY1)



And no virgins in the Virgin Islands.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:51 AM (4df7R)

352 I'm less optimistic that it will really change people, but all we really need is 2 to 3% of Americans to have a change of heart and the Democrats would be sidelined. 

I just look at examples like Detroit where everything literally became a wasteland with people likely getting pennies on the dollar for their pension, yet these same people would still vote the same exact way.  Some swaths of our population are simply unreachable and they'll continue to be parasites until the day they die.

Posted by: McAdams at March 27, 2014 07:51 AM (mxsHN)

353 Took it out of the freezer the other day, it's been rainy and cold ever since.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 11:49 AM (ZshNr)

So the steak controls the weather?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 27, 2014 07:51 AM (QFxY5)

354 If it makes you feel any better, the Rack did an awesome job of catching the chai I dumped all over me this morning.


Let me clean that off for you....



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 07:52 AM (GQ8sn)

355 Next you'll tell me there's no cooks in the Cook Islands, and no Easter on Easter Island. - Yeah, I went to Fantasy Island but could I live my fantasy? Noooooo.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:52 AM (XUKZU)

356

329 -

 

I'm certain  I've seen documentaries on this, and  I don't believe  the conclusion is that the pilot screwed up so much as it is the airport had poor visibility, too loose a system of  ok'ing planes, and some mixups  regarding which plane was  precisely where.

 

He may have been impatient, but from what I recall, the airport was notoriously  lax in that  regard.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 07:52 AM (TOk1P)

357 What do they do to actually get the country back on track? Posted by: death panels at March 27, 2014 11:51 AM (nPaiL) I know!!! we pass a Law saying we need to follow the Constitution!!! or would that take a Constitutional Amendment??? /sarc

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (84gbM)

358 342 Gonna grill a big fat Wegman's steak for lunch. Took it out of the freezer the other day, it's been rainy and cold ever since. I'm so annoyed that the winter has dragged on nearly into April, today's weather is half-decent, I dare not wait until dinner time lest it turns on me. I'm having Wegmans salisbury steak and mac-n-cheese with some harvest vegetables. Best six-dollar meal you're gonna find anywhere. I don't know why anyone would go to a fast food joint when you can get such tasty, filling food at Wegmans for six bucks. And when you mix the steak and mac-n-cheese together...holy shit that's good eating.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (7ObY1)

359 351 If it makes you feel any better, the Rack did an awesome job of catching the chai I dumped all over me this morning.


Let me clean that off for you....



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:52 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Ever the gentleman.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (DrWcr)

360 I want to know how exactly we can actually shrink govt? Lets say we got a perfect conservative Pres and Senate & House majorities in 2016. What do they do to actually get the country back on track? Every alphabet agency not spelled out in the constitution - gone.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (ix+5k)

361 Next you'll tell me there's no cooks in the Cook Islands, and no Easter on Easter Island. Ah, but there is poetry in Poetry, Texas. And it's cowboy poetry, pard!

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (1Y+hH)

362 Intercourse PA, and Virginville?????


NNNNOOOOOO!!!!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (si68n)

363 What happens when an "ette goes bad.. http://tinyurl.com/lbyohc6 - Abuse of bacon?!!! Throw the book at her!

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 07:53 AM (XUKZU)

364 If it makes you feel any better, the Rack did an awesome job of catching the chai I dumped all over me this morning.

 

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD/Orion Death Star 2016 at March 27, 2014 11:48 AM (mf5HN)\

 

Sorry to hear that, Imperial One.  I'm sitting here with damp pants, a stained shirt and a gnawing irritation in my mind.

 

I feel like John McCain.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 27, 2014 07:54 AM (zF6Iw)

365 Oooo let's worship the weather controlling steak. We can form a steak cult. It will be fun. Until the non believers grill our deity...

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at March 27, 2014 07:54 AM (RZ8pf)

366 That is my understanding, yes.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 07:54 AM (ZshNr)

367 344 No canaries in the Canary Islands? Next you'll tell me there's no cooks in the Cook Islands, and no Easter on Easter Island. Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 11:50 AM (7ObY1) Whey the hell do you think the renamed Hawaii... to Hawaii???? Yep... Queen wouldn't make Sandwichs....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 27, 2014 07:54 AM (84gbM)

368 There are, to my counting, only three things that advance human freedom:
1) Advances in private weapon technology
2) Advances in private transportation technology
3) New lands

What they all have in common is making the individual more powerful and the government less.

The first allows man to fight against the government on more equal footing. Think from flintlocks to the cartridge .

The second allows man to evade the government.
Think from horses to cars.

The third allows man to escape the government; diluting the power of governments.
Think of the opening of the old West, colonization of the Americas.

Only the first is the most likely, near-term advance. And that advance costs blood.

Posted by: RoyalOil at March 27, 2014 07:54 AM (VjL9S)

369 345 What happens when an "ette goes bad..

http://tinyurl.com/lbyohc6

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 11:50 AM (si68n)

 

What a horrible story!  That poor, poor bacon!

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 07:54 AM (DrWcr)

370 And no virgins in the Virgin Islands I can vouch for that.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 07:55 AM (ix+5k)

371

What happens when an "ette goes bad..

 

---

 

 

You left out the best part, her name is Crispi

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 07:55 AM (eoeps)

372 This is actually hilarious;

http://tinyurl.com/nxu7r23


Sad, but you WILL laugh.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 07:55 AM (BZAd3)

373 Air Force Island. Owned by Canada. BWAHAHA!! You're funny, Canada.

Posted by: Mainah at March 27, 2014 07:55 AM (659DL)

374 It's seem Palin endorsements rest solely on gender not ideology.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 27, 2014 07:56 AM (IV4od)

375 Disenstompening lives.

Posted by: Roland THTG at March 27, 2014 07:56 AM (QM5S2)

376

And no virgins in the Virgin Islands

 

Sacred honor compels me...

Posted by: Will Folks at March 27, 2014 07:56 AM (DrWcr)

377 "What do they do to actually get the country back on track? " Probably not a lot ala 2004-2006. They played grab-ass with interns, debated a flag burning Amendment, spent lots of money. This was after they tried to touch Social Security and got vilified in the Press for doing so. After that, they just took a couple years off.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2014 07:56 AM (gOoFi)

378 But by all means, keep sending boys to Pleasure Island, where they can smoke all  they want, and play pool all day  and night!

Posted by: Honest John at March 27, 2014 07:56 AM (TOk1P)

379 345 What happens when an "ette goes bad.. http://tinyurl.com/lbyohc6 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 11:50 AM (si68n) .346 bal?.....Amazing she didn't combust.

Posted by: BignJames at March 27, 2014 07:57 AM (j7iSn)

380 @371

I didn't know that endorsements in NE and OK for Senate were women!!!

They make damn ugly women.

Posted by: H Badger at March 27, 2014 07:57 AM (n/0Nw)

381 369 This is actually hilarious;

http://tinyurl.com/nxu7r23


Sad, but you WILL laugh.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 11:55 AM (BZAd3)

 

What a bunch of limpdicks.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 07:57 AM (DrWcr)

382 Actually, many, many people hoarded their gold. Yes, but that isn't what I meant by "do something." The idea that people with guns will come and take something that belongs to you should inspire outrage that leads to revolution. Instead, Roosevelt was elected again and again. And many people to this day think of him as a proletarian hero and champion of the "little guy."

Posted by: rfichoke at March 27, 2014 07:57 AM (24sHa)

383 It's seem Palin endorsements rest solely on gender not ideology.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 27, 2014 11:56 AM (IV4od)

==

Ted Cruz?

Posted by: DOS 6.2 at March 27, 2014 07:58 AM (JBggj)

384 The officer stopped the spread of the fire and arrested Crispi, who had a blood-alcohol content of 0.346, the charges state.



Jeezy Creezy.    How was she not   DEAD   with a BAC that high?     

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 07:58 AM (4df7R)

385 nom change

Posted by: mrp at March 27, 2014 07:59 AM (JBggj)

386 take advantage of technology to make government at all levels work better and for less money. They have, when it was convenient. That's how we got the IRS and NSA scandals and Mooches luxurious Air Force One jaunts. When they've chosen not to answer emails or phone calls we've gotten Benghazi and Boston. I'd prefer they have less technology. Quills and ink pots, carriage rides to Washington, letter carriers on horses.

Posted by: t-bird at March 27, 2014 07:59 AM (FcR7P)

387 LoneStarHeeb,
perhaps they are all twitter-pated

i know, i know, goes and stands in the corner.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 07:59 AM (nqBYe)

388 Gilligan is still on his island.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 27, 2014 07:59 AM (/0PJL)

389

perhaps they are all twitter-pated

*facepalm*

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:00 AM (DrWcr)

390 This is actually hilarious;


http://tinyurl.com/nxu7r23




Sad, but you WILL laugh.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 11:55 AM (BZAd3)



Toddlers.  Toddlers,   idiots,   and  retards; THAT is who we have "running"   this country.   Dear God.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:00 AM (4df7R)

391

There are, to my counting, only three things that advance human freedom:

 


1) Advances in private weapon technology

 


2) Advances in private transportation technology

 


3) New lands

 

 

------------

 

I'd probably suggest advances in communication technology in there somewhere.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 27, 2014 08:00 AM (eytER)

392 I think the country is going to have to hit the ground hard before anything really changes. Maybe not "Walking Dead" apocalypse hard but worse than anything we've ever experienced in our lifetimes.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 27, 2014 08:00 AM (gOoFi)

393 373 And no virgins in the Virgin Islands Heh. One of my brothers used to work there and he said the same thing.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 08:00 AM (7ObY1)

394 insomniac! i am standing in the corner with a funny hat on, what more do you want?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:00 AM (nqBYe)

395 This is actually hilarious; http://tinyurl.com/nxu7r23 Sad, but you WILL laugh. - Stop me before I hashtag again!

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 08:01 AM (XUKZU)

396 "Jeezy Creezy. How was she not DEAD with a BAC that high?"

Professional drinker on a closed course.

Don't try this at home.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 08:01 AM (si68n)

397 DRUDGE REPORT ‏@DRUDGE_REPORT Ukraine says 100,000 Russian troops near border... http://drudge.tw/1eV3xI8

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:01 AM (ZPrif)

398 i know, i know, goes and stands in the corner. Posted by: willow Nobody puts willow in a corner!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:01 AM (ix+5k)

399 391 insomniac! i am standing in the corner with a funny hat on, what more do you want?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 12:00 PM (nqBYe)

 

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:01 AM (DrWcr)

400 Hey, look- that cloud looks like a bunny. And that one looks like an alligator, and that one looks like a plane, er no, make that a tugboat

Posted by: Canary Islands Defense Minister and proprietor of Tico's souvenir stand at March 27, 2014 08:02 AM (g4TxM)

401 Yep... Queen wouldn't make Sandwichs.... I've often heard the Queen say, give me a Sandwich and a Douchebag and there's nothing I can't do.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 08:02 AM (7ObY1)

402 twittering  foreign policy in under a certain amt of characters or lack of any character, shows strength.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:02 AM (nqBYe)

403 >>>Do we have to stop kicking him in the nads once he retires?<<<

I was trying to be polite.  Actually, Harry's nads should be kicked and stomped until well after he's buried in a shallow grave near his hundreds of victims in Searchlight.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2014 08:02 AM (oJUxt)

404 What a bunch of limpdicks.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 11:57 AM (DrWcr)


Isn't that something?  An actual response from the government in this way?  They're making us such a joke.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:02 AM (BZAd3)

405 "2) Advances in private transportation technology 3) New lands" You jerks laughed at my moon colony. Who's laughing now. bitches?

Posted by: Newt at March 27, 2014 08:02 AM (hFL/3)

406 The officer stopped the spread of the fire and arrested Crispi, who had a blood-alcohol content of 0.346, the charges state. - I once had a college student who was not only not dead but not unconscious. He was arrested because he was out breaking windows. His BAC was 0.589.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 08:03 AM (XUKZU)

407 I was trying to be polite. Actually, Harry's nads should be kicked and stomped until well after he's buried in a shallow grave near his hundreds of victims in Searchlight.

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2014 12:02 PM (oJUxt)

 

 

I have a better idea...

Posted by: Lapplander Reindeer Herdswoman at March 27, 2014 08:03 AM (DrWcr)

408 Ukraine says 100,000 Russian troops near border... See? Regional power corrupts regionally! Or something. Fore!

Posted by: Barky McDouche at March 27, 2014 08:03 AM (FcR7P)

409 Wow. Just got here, but it looks like this thread is reaching ONT proportions.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 08:03 AM (8MjqI)

410 Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela all are supporting Russia's invasion of Crimea. The Latin Left is growing stronger with the help of Obama.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:04 AM (ZPrif)

411 LoneStarHeeb... That's just.. It's... We're being run by 12 year olds. Petty 12 year olds.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 08:04 AM (djIgl)

412 I was trying to be polite. Actually, Harry's nads should be kicked and stomped until well after he's buried in a shallow grave near his hundreds of victims in Searchlight. Where are those reindeer nad chewing Scandi's when you need them?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:04 AM (ix+5k)

413 Isn't that something? An actual response from the government in this way? They're making us such a joke.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:02 PM (BZAd3)

now remember the adults are in charge. this isn't dangerous  at all.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:04 AM (nqBYe)

414 Wow. Just got here, but it looks like this thread is reaching ONT proportions.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 12:03 PM (8MjqI)



No bewbs yet.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 08:04 AM (GQ8sn)

415 Using Twitter hashtags    as foreign policy    is the equivalent of   hanging one of those paper stars in the gas station that say "I support the Jimmy Fund."


Actually, no.  I tell a lie.   In order to get one of those stars to sign, you actually have to donate something to the Jimmy Fund.   It actually requires    a   modicum of effort.      A Twitter hashtag is actually of LESS efficacy than a fucking Jimmy Fund star.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:04 AM (4df7R)

416 John Nolte ‏@NolteNC Left/media suddenly LOLs at government's clearing themselves of scandals. New policy? Or just REPUBLICANS, you godless hacks.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:05 AM (ZPrif)

417 Isn't that something? An actual response from the government in this way? They're making us such a joke.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:02 PM (BZAd3)

 

Smart.  Fucking.  Diplomacy.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:05 AM (DrWcr)

418 "The Latin Left is growing stronger with the help of Obama."

Perhaps he is a uniter, after all.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 08:05 AM (si68n)

419 What's all this I hear about subsidizing towel boy poets?!

Posted by: emily litella at March 27, 2014 08:06 AM (QupBk)

420 I was trying to be polite. Actually, Harry's nads should be kicked and stomped until well after he's buried in a shallow grave near his hundreds of victims in Searchlight.
Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2014 12:02 PM (oJUxt)


I have a better idea...

Posted by: Lapplander Reindeer Herdswoman at March 27, 2014 12:03 PM (DrWcr)



Well remembered!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:06 AM (4df7R)

421 We're being run by 12 year olds. Petty 12 year olds.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 12:04 PM (djIgl)


I know.  But I can't stop laughing it's so fucking lame - and (all due respect to homoslurpials) GHEY!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:06 AM (BZAd3)

422 Did Russia just start invading Kiev/ukraine?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2014 08:06 AM (IXrOn)

423 Looks like the "Regional Power" wants more region.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 08:06 AM (xWW96)

424 412 Using Twitter hashtags as foreign policy is the equivalent of hanging one of those paper stars in the gas station that say "I support the Jimmy Fund."


Actually, no. I tell a lie. In order to get one of those stars to sign, you actually have to donate something to the Jimmy Fund. It actually requires a modicum of effort. A Twitter hashtag is actually of LESS efficacy than a fucking Jimmy Fund star.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 27, 2014 12:04 PM (4df7R)

 

Which is what liberals love.  Doing something so they can say they are "Doing something" but in actuality they have actually done absolutely nothing.

Posted by: buzzion at March 27, 2014 08:07 AM (LI48c)

425 Looks like the "Regional Power" wants more region. Speaking region to da man! Yo!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:08 AM (ix+5k)

426 419 Did Russia just start invading Kiev/ukraine?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2014 12:06 PM (IXrOn)

 

Most recent news I've seen is Putin is continuing to amass forces at the border.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:08 AM (DrWcr)

427 419 Did Russia just start invading Kiev/ukraine?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 27, 2014 12:06 PM (IXrOn)


Quick!  More cardboard for #hashtag warfare!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:08 AM (BZAd3)

428 "Anything (84,316 reported.) number of men do every year can't be immoral" would be enough to sew those fucking vaginalogues' mouths shut. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 27, 2014 11:44 AM (4df7R)

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 08:08 AM (fWAjv)

429 I once had a college student who was not only not dead but not unconscious. He was arrested because he was out breaking windows. His BAC was 0.589.


Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 12:03 PM (XUKZU)



Good GRIEF.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:08 AM (4df7R)

430 What color is the UkrainianAwareness ribbon?

Posted by: emily litella at March 27, 2014 08:09 AM (QupBk)

431 324 FDR seized private gold in the 30s and nobody did anything about it.
------------------------------


I'm no fan of FDR, but I do see this point being repeated all over the web and it's only partially true.

Gold bullion that was turned in was paid for in full by what was then still a gold backed currency, the US dollar.  It was not simply confiscated, it was purchased by the government.

I still completely oppose the idea of outlawing private gold bullion ownership and think it was a gross overreach, but people have this picture of how it went down that's just not accurate.

I will say that the powers that be are really scared of people hoarding gold, that's why the Paul Krugman's of the world love to mock "gold bugs" every opportunity they can.  If more private citizens bought gold, I honestly believe it could take down the printing press.


Posted by: McAdams at March 27, 2014 08:09 AM (mxsHN)

432 The hashtag deterrence is not working!  My god!  What do we do now?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:09 AM (BZAd3)

433 185 Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 11:07 AM (g4TxM Why aren't you just a ray of sunshine this morning? All sarcasm aside. That was an interesting medical scenario you posted.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 27, 2014 08:09 AM (HVff2)

434  obama administration,
Quit clowning around at Ukraine's Border, Putin.

Putin,
who's clowning around?

Obama administration, Look i know you just want to hand out fliers for spring break , but do you really need to use uniformed men?

Putin, the Ukraine is our former state and will be again.

Obama administration,  Can't you use tech  to send invitations to the spring break party?

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:10 AM (nqBYe)

435 Vince Gilligan's Isle Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful cook Who got a cancer diagnosis and flew off the hook (and flew off the hook) The mate was a tiny meth-head man, the meth cook brave and sure He cooked up baby blue that was 98 percent pure (98 percent pure) The meth scene started getting rough, the Crystal Ship was crushed If not for the courage of the bald meth cook the money would be lost (the money would be lost) The cooks set down inside of this neo-Nazi compound With Walter White And Pinkman too The DEA agent, and his wife The cartel boss Lydia and Uncle Jack Here on Vince Gilligan's Isle

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 08:10 AM (7ObY1)

436 "Doing something so they can say they are "Doing something" but in actuality they have actually done absolutely nothing." See, at least we tried you meanie hater!

Posted by: The Left at March 27, 2014 08:10 AM (gOoFi)

437 Most recent news I've seen is Putin is continuing to amass forces at the border.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 12:08 PM (DrWcr)



The border must be continuously "moving" westward then.



Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 08:10 AM (GQ8sn)

438 No bewbs yet. Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 12:04 PM (GQ8sn) How about guns and guitars?

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 08:10 AM (8MjqI)

439 429 The hashtag deterrence is not working! My god! What do we do now?

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:09 PM (BZAd3)

 

Well that just tears it.  Off to Facebook!

Posted by: State Department Official at March 27, 2014 08:11 AM (DrWcr)

440 Only giant paper-mache heads wil stop Putin now.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 08:11 AM (QupBk)

441 Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 12:10 PM (7ObY1)


Damn, you should be a writer!

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 08:11 AM (GQ8sn)

442 How about guns and guitars?

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 12:10 PM (8MjqI)


Former, but not the latter.....yet.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 08:12 AM (GQ8sn)

443

MWR!

http://tinyurl.com/pa6j93k

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 08:12 AM (xWW96)

444 #hashtag warfare?  What is this, middle school?

You're going to be so ignored!

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2014 08:12 AM (oJUxt)

445 Well that just tears it. Off to Facebook!

Posted by: State Department Official at March 27, 2014 12:11 PM (DrWcr)


MSNBC reports:  In a dramatic and courageous escalation, Obama moves public whimpering to Facebook!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:12 AM (BZAd3)

446 "Mead's point about yesterday's liberals becoming today's conservatives is a good one, and one that not enough people really appreciate."

Can someone point me to this?  As a conservative, I guess I am behind the times and must have missed it.

Posted by: flounder at March 27, 2014 08:12 AM (Kkt/i)

447 Breaking: Samantha Power left a 1.5 star review of Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Yelp!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 08:13 AM (ZshNr)

448 Only giant paper-mache heads wil stop Putin now. Break out the Vagina costumes!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:13 AM (ix+5k)

449 436 429 The hashtag deterrence is not working! My god! What do we do now? Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:09 PM (BZAd3) Well that just tears it. Off to Facebook! Posted by: State Department Official at March 27, 2014 12:11 PM (DrWcr) 437 Only giant paper-mache heads wil stop Putin now. Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 12:11 PM (QupBk) It's funny 'cause it's true... *sob*

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 08:13 AM (djIgl)

450 Did Russia just start invading Kiev/ukraine? - Doesn't matter. They still haven't found the plane.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 08:14 AM (XUKZU)

451 BREAKING NEWS!   Twitter    hashtag   strategy fails to deter Putin's incursion into Ukraine.    State Department vows to unfriend   Kremlin   on Facebook.


BREAKING NEWS - FOLLOW UP:  State Department has escalated social media isolation of Russia by unfollowing Putin's Tumblr.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:14 AM (4df7R)

452 #theUkraineIsWeak @cosmo

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 08:15 AM (QupBk)

453 429 The hashtag deterrence is not working! My god! What do we do now?
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:09 PM (BZAd3)

Well that just tears it. Off to Facebook!
Posted by: State Department Official at March 27, 2014 12:11 PM (DrWcr)

437 Only giant paper-mache heads wil stop Putin now.
Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 12:11 PM (QupBk)

you guys are killing me.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:15 AM (nqBYe)

454 444 Breaking: Samantha Power left a 1.5 star review of Russia's invasion of Ukraine on Yelp!

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 12:13 PM (ZshNr)


Holy cripes and schnikies!  Their unleashing their entire arsenal of social media.  Russia will rue the day!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:15 AM (BZAd3)

455 I guarantee there will be actual shootings in the streets downtown if that happens.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)

It's just the terminology, not the principles. Like how the Progressives styled themselves as Liberals sometime in the early-mid 20th C., which made that term mud, so then comes along WFB to relabel it as conservative.



Terminology musical chairs....

Posted by: [/i]KG at March 27, 2014 08:15 AM (p7BzH)

456 I like Turkey as a military ally. I hope that they don't go all stupid on us and continue to slide down into corruption. This Twitter and YouTube blocking stuff, because some morons got caught making plans to start a war with Syria, is just a terrible sign. Idiots. They actually believe, I think, that they can stop the flow of information in this age. They must be damn Democrats!

Posted by: and irresolute at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (RqHWH)

457 Obama calling Russia a regional power was basically double dog daring Putin to do more invadering & stuff.

Posted by: votermom at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (we8HJ)

458 What color is the UkrainianAwareness ribbon? Posted by: emily ----------------- I suspect that the Obama administration has two choices: Yellow, or White

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (aDwsi)

459 obma administration shuts down Putin's twitter acct in a fit of angst.

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (nqBYe)

460 State Dept escalates war from twitter to tumblr, considering further escalation to instagram. World anxiously awaits.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (ZPrif)

461 "The numbers look really big, but states will find a way. If it comes down to paying for Medicaid or pensions, the pensioners will win." You can't outsmart math.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (gBnkX)

462 Where's the pro foreign policy mock url for world leaders to badger and bully each other?

Posted by: Fritz at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (oJUxt)

463 437 Only giant paper-mache heads wil stop Putin now.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 12:11 PM (QupBk)


You owe me a new keyboard.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (BZAd3)

464 Wtf, somehow I didn't copy the proper quote. I was responding to

Can someone point me to this? As a conservative, I guess I am behind the times and must have missed it.

Posted by: flounder at March 27, 2014 12:12 PM (Kkt/i)


Posted by: [/i]KG at March 27, 2014 08:16 AM (p7BzH)

465 I suspect that the Obama administration has two choices: Yellow, or White

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 12:16 PM (aDwsi)

He's embarrassing the French.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 08:17 AM (xWW96)

466 Has BHO unfriended Pooty-poot yet?

Posted by: Canary Islands Defense Minister and proprietor of Tico's souvenir stand at March 27, 2014 08:17 AM (g4TxM)

467 I still expect Obama to threaten to hold his breath until Putin backs off.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:17 AM (aDwsi)

468 Turkey is blocking twitter and youtube cause the Erdogan and his sons got caught stealing hundreds of millions.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:17 AM (ZPrif)

469 sock off

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:17 AM (g4TxM)

470
I am devastated to learn that erectile dysfunction is caused by global warming, and all the while I though it was LDS...limp dick syndrome. 

Posted by: Hank Johnson, D-Moonbat at March 27, 2014 08:18 AM (nQjHM)

471 He's embarrassing the French. Posted by: maddogg ----------------------- ..and monkeys.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:18 AM (aDwsi)

472 What could possibly explain it? John Nolte ‏@NolteNC Why does the media accept it when Democrats clear themselves but not Republicans? It's so confusing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:18 AM (ZPrif)

473 Oh god, what if Russia takes Pinterest?!

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (VdUx9)

474 Putin got BHO to stick his tongue on an icy flagpole!

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (g4TxM)

475 'Flexible' spine.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (aDwsi)

476 Aides are scrambling to find an appropriate Grumpy Cat meme to use in the case of escalation, but sources say they don't see any case short of total war in which a Grumpy Cat would actually be deployed.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (ZshNr)

477 Oh god, what if Russia takes Pinterest?!

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 12:19 PM (VdUx9)



Millions of housewives will rise up in anger.

Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (GQ8sn)

478 Can I haz: When 'ettes go bad...The Calendar!

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (7ObY1)

479 470 Oh god, what if Russia takes Pinterest?!

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 12:19 PM (VdUx9)


Or worse...


Groupon!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:19 AM (BZAd3)

480 Odd Repub. Rep Rohrabacher (R-CA) on House floor right now defending #Putin. "This is not a power grab."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:20 AM (ZPrif)

481 I once witnessed an accident where a dump truck ran into the car in front of it at a traffic light. Didn't even attempt to stop until the last second. I stopped and assisted at the scene when I noticed the driver was BOMBED and he was getting back in the truck to drive away. I made the truck first and took the keys out. HP called me later in the day and told me what I should expect next as a witness and shared with me that the drivers BAC was .37. The HP was amazed he was still conscious at that level.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 27, 2014 08:21 AM (32Ze2)

482 Pooty "poked" me on Facebook and I just ignored him. BAM! Taste my ignore button, Vlad!

Posted by: President Barack Obama at March 27, 2014 08:21 AM (7ObY1)

483 ebay!

that would start ww3

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:21 AM (nqBYe)

484 Or worse...
Groupon!

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:19 PM (BZAd3)

 

Half-off massages from Ukrainian hotties.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:21 AM (DrWcr)

485 David M. Drucker ‏@DavidMDrucker 1h Notable: Rep Rohrabacher (R-CA) isn't just arguing against confronting Putin's expansion, he's defending it & praising it. #Ukraine

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:21 AM (ZPrif)

486 BREAKING NEWS!   The social media conflagration between the United States and Russia has been further escalated by the Kremlin's decision to leave a negative review     of    the   US Department of State    on Angie's List,   dealing a crippling credibility blow to the country's diplomatic corps.    Developing...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (4df7R)

487 We can thank that KGB asshole for one thing; He has made da Zero look like exactly what we thought he was, a clueless, inept, incompetent dumbass with the world outlook of a 6 year old.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (xWW96)

488 Aides are scrambling to find an appropriate Grumpy Cat meme to use in the case of escalation, but sources say they don't see any case short of total war in which a Grumpy Cat would actually be deployed. Posted by: Lincolntf ------------------------ There are less aggressive alternatives that will be tried first: http://www.songbirdgarden.com/store/ProdImages/SEEK9625.jpg

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (aDwsi)

489 State Dept. spokesperson posts a negative review of Putin on Angie's List.

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (g4TxM)

490 F it all. TFG needs to unleash Frank Chu on Putin's ass!! Get 'em Frank.. The CIA kept the lifespans and the infinities top secret. The Populations of infinities were top secret. The richest galaxies are the best ones with lifespans at infinities and the earth is identified at the beginning, the first planet. I think it was Lenin and some of the Soviet Presidents that talked with me by ESP and helped me start the protest because the discrimination was preventing me from regular employment. I think Hillary is the innocent party. I think Bill Clinton is with the 12 Galaxies. Some of the duplicates of Bill Clinton were innocent parties. There were duplicates of him. The Quintronic Society Quadronic Rocket Society Tetratronic Space Vacations Betatronic Flying Saucers The Alphatronic Rocket Vacations Asteroid Society Android Planets Humanoid Society Humans

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (fWAjv)

491 Notable: Rep Rohrabacher (R-CA) isn't just arguing against confronting Putin's expansion, he's defending it & praising it. #Ukraine

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:21 PM (ZPrif)

 

The fuck?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (DrWcr)

492 Obama just used LinkedIn to post a comment saying that Putin eats boogers.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (BZAd3)

493 Obama to Putin: I got to meet the Po-ope. Nyahnanana. Putin: I have own Pope. Is called Patriarch. Obama: He has his own Pope?! Waaaah!

Posted by: votermom at March 27, 2014 08:22 AM (Oib5H)

494 Fuck Angie and her fucking list and her endless spam e-mails that never stop coming even though I didn't even use her damn site after I signed up for it.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 27, 2014 08:23 AM (7ObY1)

495 Unconfirmed reports of Taiwanese animators being flown into DC over night.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 08:23 AM (ZshNr)

496 Let Vlad take Craigslist. That'll shut down world domination plans.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:23 AM (ix+5k)

497 486 State Dept. spokesperson posts a negative review of Putin on Angie's List.

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 12:22 PM (g4TxM)

 

Well they can't build hotels worth a shit, that's for certain.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (DrWcr)

498 From the State Dept.'s review of Putin on Angie's list. "...this contractor disappointed us by not relinquishing Crimea after two sternly worded letters from our attorneys...we give one star..."

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (g4TxM)

499 I draw the line at GunBroker.com

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (QupBk)

500 Half-off massages from Ukrainian hotties.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 27, 2014 12:21 PM (DrWcr)


Oddly, I find myself suddenly supporting Putin.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (BZAd3)

501 RWC was that a copy/paste, or are you just that skilled at incomprehesible BS?

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (VdUx9)

502 I eat health food/organics (I still don't know why that makes Conservatives go into attack mode, I do it for my health, and it's improved my health immeasurably.)

Because on a purely scientific basis "organics" is a fraud intended to extract money from rich white women, something it does *extremely* well.  I don't begrudge guys like the Whole Foods CEO who are specifically doing it for capitalistic reasons, just like I think Toyota is brilliant to make the Prius and skim money that would otherwise go to the DNC.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (B/VB5)

503 The hashtag deterrence is not working! My god! What do we do now? Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 12:09 PM (BZAd3) Don't worry we will just double down as we do with every failed program

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 27, 2014 08:24 AM (R8hU8)

504 I expect the Taiwanese cartoonists could have a lot of fun with Putin and da Zero, I suspect it would be 'X' rated though.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (xWW96)

505 PETA is very angry with Pooty Poot about that mini-giraffe thing. Very angry. So angry they're going to fly to the Kremlin and dress up like giraffes with ketchup blood all over them. BAM! Taste the unwashed hippie freaks, Vlad!

Posted by: President Barack Obama at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (7ObY1)

506 .......exactly what we thought he was, a clueless, inept, incompetent dumbass with the world outlook of a 6 year old.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 12:22 PM (xWW96)

 

 

you forgot studdering

Posted by: The Obvious Sock at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (W6iIX)

507

*Instagrams picture holding a sad panda* 

Posted by: State Department Official at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (DrWcr)

508 No bewbs yet. Posted by: EC at March 27, 2014 12:04 PM (GQ8sn) (· ·) )·( ( )

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (8MjqI)

509 There's only one way to stop this incursion. Quick, somebody get me the link to Cake Girl!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (0HooB)

510 Putin' on the ritz.

Posted by: seamrog at March 27, 2014 08:25 AM (V3CDA)

511 Because on a purely scientific basis "organics" is a fraud intended to extract money from rich white women, something it does *extremely* well. It is also a terribly inefficient use of farm land

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at March 27, 2014 08:26 AM (R8hU8)

512 Guess who eet iz standing behind Barack holding hiz undervear band to the back of heez head? Dat's right! Itz me comrade!

Posted by: Vlad "The Underpantser" Putin at March 27, 2014 08:26 AM (32Ze2)

513 Let me be perfectly clear, if Putin persists, I will unfriend him on Facebook. I am super serious!

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 27, 2014 08:26 AM (Kkt/i)

514 Obama being greeted by enthusiastic masses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVFrdWIs2LI

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 08:27 AM (XUKZU)

515 PETA is very angry with Pooty Poot about that mini-giraffe thing. *** Putin Emasculates Timid American

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:28 AM (g4TxM)

516 while i might understand Rep Rohrabacher (R-CA) that we have no dawg in this fight or money etc ,  i cannot understand  thinking Putin  move to reinstitutue  the soviet union is good for the world community

Posted by: willow at March 27, 2014 08:28 AM (nqBYe)

517 "organic" food is bullshit. It's like saying you do acupuncture and have your aura massaged. At best there's a placebo cause you believe in the nonsense. There is no standard for what counts as "organic". There are zero measurable health benefits from eating "organic". If you want to waste your money fine. Just don't pretend it's scientific or healthy or anything but snake oil.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:28 AM (ZPrif)

518 I expect the Taiwanese cartoonists could have a lot of fun with Putin and da Zero, I suspect it would be 'X' rated though. Tentacle pr0n.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:28 AM (ix+5k)

519 Strictly speaking, organic food is not cooked.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 08:28 AM (8MjqI)

520 498 RWC was that a copy/paste, or are you just that skilled at incomprehesible BS? Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 12:24 PM (VdUx9) If I was I'd be in politics. No, cut and paste from an interview with Frank.

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 08:30 AM (fWAjv)

521 All food is organic. That is, it contains carbon. Most all living matter does contain carbon, save for the brains of those women who buy "organic" food.

Posted by: maddogg at March 27, 2014 08:30 AM (xWW96)

522 Obama calling Russia a regional power was basically double dog daring Putin to do more invadering & stuff.

Posted by: votermom at March 27, 2014 12:16 PM (we8HJ)

 

At first I thought maybe President Obama was deliberately goading Putin, insulting him, attempting to get under that KGB asshole's skin. (Me, I always support the taunting of dictators and farting in their general direction, things like that.)

 

But then I realized Obama was being serious and is truly dismissive of  Russian threat capabilities. *hair on nape of neck stands on end*

 

That kind of stupidity in a Commander in Chief is unsettling, to say the least.

Posted by: troyriser at March 27, 2014 08:31 AM (gNlvW)

523 WASHINGTON, D.C. - The ongoing fight for social media dominance between the United States and Russia has expanded again, this time to some of the internet's most popular video sharing sites.  


The US Department of State has posted a video message on the website YouTube, which it has titled, "What we think of Vladimir Putin and the Russian Invasion of Ukraine."  The video is a clip    from the   1994 film Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, and features Jim Carrey's titular character using his hands to make it appear that he is speaking out of his buttocks.   The sound has been re-dubbed so that, instead of the original dialogue, viewers now hear various members of the Obama administration making loud and exaggerated noises meant to simulate someone passing gas.


The Kremlin has responded by posting a Vine clip of Russian President Vladimir Putin urinating on a picture of Barack Obama.


UPDATE: (8:04 PM EST) The State Department's YouTube video has been taken down due to copyright violations.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:31 AM (4df7R)

524 516 Strictly speaking, organic food is not cooked.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 12:28 PM (8MjqI)

Even more strictly speaking, it's not food either.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at March 27, 2014 08:31 AM (BZAd3)

525 At best there's a placebo cause you believe in the nonsense.

There is no standard for what counts as "organic". There are zero measurable health benefits from eating "organic".

If you want to waste your money fine. Just don't pretend it's scientific or healthy or anything but snake oil.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:28 PM (ZPrif)

Agreed.  However, there are specific benefits to be had from meat and milk that does not have antibiotics or growth hormones in it. 

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, We Be Bossy at March 27, 2014 08:31 AM (kXoT0)

526 I accidentally bought some organic potatoes the other day. Didn't realize they were until I was getting ready to bake one and saw the little sticker. Cooked it, ate it.......I would have never known any difference if not for the sticker.

Posted by: The Left at March 27, 2014 08:31 AM (gOoFi)

527 Same with probiotics. I like how people take them without caring which probiotics they are taking. At least with some probiotics there is some evidence that for some conditions (chronic diarrhea) it can help. You don't just take any random antibiotic. Different antibiotics are indicated for different problems. Some have horrible side effects. If you don't have chronic diarrhea then taking a random assortment of probiotics is kinda insane.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:31 AM (ZPrif)

528 The only time I notice a difference between "organic" and regular is in the fruits/berries department. You pay twice as much, but they are generally twice as sweet/tasty. When I say organic I mean bought at the hippie farmer's market that pops up every week during the summer.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 08:32 AM (ZshNr)

529 I was interested until I realized you were talking about organic food instead of orgasmic food. My mistake.

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:32 AM (g4TxM)

530 I try to make sure my food is always carbon-based.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:32 AM (ZPrif)

531 511 Obama being greeted by enthusiastic masses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVFrdWIs2LI Posted by: WalrusRex at March 27, 2014 12:27 PM (XUKZU) BWAAAHAAAHAAAA!

Posted by: RWC at March 27, 2014 08:33 AM (fWAjv)

532 "Or worse... Groupon! Reminds me of the time a Groupon salesperson came into my restaurant to make her pitch. She obviously put a lot of work into her look and pitch, and it helped that she was smokin' hot. So after she ran through the numbers, I asked her "So I'm supposed to effectively take a 75% loss when I'm barely clearing 10-15%?" Her response was quick; she had obviously prepared. Some of the usual marketing jabber about exposure and such, but then she mentioned "breakage" - the 15-20% of Groupons that don't get redeemed. I said, "that's interesting, because the franchise ran a Groupon offer several months ago and made the same pitch to us. We tracked the breakage and found it to be less than 1%." She valiantly tried to cobble her quickly-deteriorating presentation by improvising some bullshit about how this would be more targeted toward my individual restaurant. I let the bullshit slide and asked her if she knew about the re-sale market for Groupon. Deer in the headlights. She tried hard to suppress the boo-boo lip as she dejectedly walked out. I would have gladly done anything in my power to console her.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 27, 2014 08:33 AM (gBnkX)

533
Strictly speaking..... you flunk chemistry.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 08:33 AM (nELVU)

534 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:28 PM (ZPrif) Well, you've certainly changed my mind. It was the condescending tone and insults that were the deciding factor in changing my mind. Finally getting some relief from my IBS and chronic reflux be damned.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at March 27, 2014 08:33 AM (7ObY1)

535 I try to make sure my food is always carbon-based.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)


----


There is only ONE THING that goes in my mouth that is silica based..... and it rhymes with Newbs.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 08:34 AM (nELVU)

536 Organic apples have higher protein content than those treated with chemical pesticides... ...if you count the worms.

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:34 AM (g4TxM)

537 I try to make sure my food is always carbon-based.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)

 

Me too.

Posted by: Planet-eating Doomsday Machine from That Old Star Trek Episode at March 27, 2014 08:34 AM (gNlvW)

538 527 I try to make sure my food is always carbon-based.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)




"You're really missing out   on the   benefits of a silica-rich diet."


-North Koreans eating mud soup

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:34 AM (4df7R)

539 Agreed. However, there are specific benefits to be had from meat and milk that does not have antibiotics or growth hormones in it. ... I haven't seen a good body of evidence to convince me of that. American lifespan has increased significantly since we started using antibiotics on livestock.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:34 AM (ZPrif)

540 However, there are specific benefits to be had from meat and milk that does not have antibiotics or growth hormones in it.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil

 

--------

 

 

Exactly.  I avoid     products with growth    hormones, which means for some products I purchase organic.  For meats, I find butchers who don't purchase injected steers.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 08:34 AM (eoeps)

541 and it rhymes with Newbs. Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 12:34 PM (nELVU) *** Ice cubes?

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:35 AM (g4TxM)

542 "You're really missing out on the benefits of a silica-rich diet."
-North Koreans eating mud soup

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit at March 27, 2014 12:34 PM (4df7R)

 

I get my mud soup from Starbucks.

Posted by: Beautiful Existence at March 27, 2014 08:35 AM (DrWcr)

543 Meh. Non-scientific nonsense and quackery deserves to be mocked.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:35 AM (ZPrif)

544 However, there are specific benefits to be had from meat and milk that does not have antibiotics or growth hormones in it. All kinds of bacterial infections.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:36 AM (ix+5k)

545

There is no standard for what counts as "organic".

 

Actually there are standards.  Now whether every body that does certification of "organic" food follows the same procedure is doubtful. 

Posted by: buzzion at March 27, 2014 08:36 AM (LI48c)

546 I try to make sure my food is always carbon-based.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:32 PM (ZPrif)


====



Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 08:36 AM (nELVU)

547 God, all you stuffy people sticking to organic food. Don't you know the "Pica Diet" is all the rage? Eat everything and still lose weight!

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 08:36 AM (VdUx9)

548 Question.    Why is the MST3K     quote in the sidebar accompanied by a picture of Luke Skywalker?   What happened to Rowsdower!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:36 AM (4df7R)

549

I haven't seen a good body of evidence to convince me of that.

American lifespan has increased significantly since we started using antibiotics on livestock.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe

 

-----

 

Girls     starting their periods at age 10 is a hint.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 08:37 AM (eoeps)

550 FREE =@= UKRAINE! Just doesn't have the kick of the original....

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 08:38 AM (1Y+hH)

551 Biggest balls, pick one: A. Rodeo clown wearing Obama mask B. Obama

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:38 AM (aDwsi)

552 I don't need stuff to be organic, but I'd prefer something that was at least grown outdoors. Some of the tomatoes, strawberries, etc. I've gotten from the grocery store could only have been developed in a flavor extraction laboratory.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 27, 2014 08:38 AM (ZshNr)

553 Girls starting their periods at age 10 is a hint.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 12:37 PM (eoeps)


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Yeah.... cause testosterone based growth hormones would do that.......

Posted by: fixerupper at March 27, 2014 08:38 AM (nELVU)

554 407 Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela all are supporting Russia's invasion of Crimea.

The Latin Left is growing stronger with the help of Obama.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 12:04 PM (ZPrif) 


Bolivia still thinks it has rights to the Gran Chaco and a coastline, Nicaragua wants Honduras' and Costa Rica's resources, and Venezuela and Cuba are economic basket cases that desperately need Russia's economic support so they don't collapse.

Still, yea us.

Posted by: Kindletot at March 27, 2014 08:38 AM (LRUgq)

555 My main concern of antibiotics on livestock is whether that is increasing the pace of antibiotics resistant bacteria. There is not good science saying it's bad for you to eat. And the increased yields mean more people get to eat meat and keeps costs down. Antibiotic resistance in human pathogens is a big deal, though. There is mixed data on whether usage on livestock is a causal factor. The main cause appears to be over-usage in humans, not livestock.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:38 AM (ZPrif)

556 Fox News poll: Country weaker, less powerful under Obama. Come on, how many did NOT see this coming? People who a re too young to remeber Jimmy Carter?

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 27, 2014 08:39 AM (8MjqI)

557

Yeah.... cause testosterone based growth hormones would do that.......

 

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I don't think they        give testosterone to cows to increase milk production

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 27, 2014 08:39 AM (eoeps)

558 Why is the MST3K quote in the sidebar accompanied by a picture of Luke Skywalker? Was that from their Laserblast episode? "I just don't think he's ready for some footbawl." One of their better episodes.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 27, 2014 08:39 AM (gBnkX)

559 As is common this time of day, I don't know if the  odor I detect is the smell  coming from  people preparing their lunch in  the office kitchen or the overripe scent on a morning AoSHQ thread. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 08:40 AM (TOk1P)

560 *ringing dinner bell*  Any cobs around who might post an open thread?   This one's starting to load a little sloooooowlyyyyy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:40 AM (4df7R)

561 Ewok's up

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at March 27, 2014 08:41 AM (si68n)

562 There's a lot of racial and ethnic variation in when periods starts. There is not solid evidence showing growth hormones in beef cause early menstruation. You know what does cause earlier menstruation -- high calorie, high protein diet. Body says, this is great, let's hurry up and reproduce while the protein is plentiful.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 27, 2014 08:41 AM (ZPrif)

563 Nood, snoozers.

Posted by: Meremortal, something's burning... at March 27, 2014 08:41 AM (1Y+hH)

564 Jimmy Carter: I'll make the world a better place by weakening the CIA. Bill Clinton: Me too!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 08:41 AM (aDwsi)

565 The main cause appears to be over-usage in humans, not livestock. Doctors passing them out like Pez candy for every viral infection........

Posted by: rickb223 at March 27, 2014 08:41 AM (ix+5k)

566

Come on, how many did NOT see this coming?
People who a re too young to remeber Jimmy Carter?

 

Democrat voters.  Or maybe that is exactly what they wanted.

Posted by: Infidel at March 27, 2014 08:41 AM (Z1SI2)

567
Was that from their Laserblast episode?


"I just don't think he's ready for some footbawl."


One of their better episodes.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 27, 2014 12:39 PM (gBnkX)



It was from   "The Final Sacrifice," easily one of their best riffings.   Funny from start to finish.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 27, 2014 08:42 AM (4df7R)

568 556 As is common this time of day, I don't know if the odor I detect is the smell coming from people preparing their lunch in the office kitchen or the overripe scent on a morning AoSHQ thread. Posted by: BurtTC at March 27, 2014 12:40 PM (TOk1P) It is a bit stale. First talking about the topic, then SMOD, then #Warsonhashtags, then Organic food... The ONT never ended.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 27, 2014 08:42 AM (VdUx9)

569 I thought this little tidbit was interesting, in a subtle way. Obama yesterday referred to the American colonists as colonialists, according to the WSJ transcript of his speech in Belgium. Do you think that distinction is relevant to his worldview?

Posted by: Seamus M. at March 27, 2014 08:43 AM (g4TxM)

570 What color is the UkrainianAwareness ribbon?

Posted by: emily
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I suspect that the Obama administration has two choices: Yellow, or White

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 27, 2014 12:16 PM (aDwsi)


You forgot the color of dried blood. 

Posted by: Kindletot at March 27, 2014 08:43 AM (LRUgq)

571 Snot is organic. You gonna eat it? Would Joey Biden?

Posted by: Erowmero at March 27, 2014 08:50 AM (1gcFZ)

572 They showed me how to put on eye makeup, total fake our "I like horses" Rick rolling bait and switch, bite the stupid ad-riven video.

Posted by: bour3 at March 27, 2014 10:04 AM (5x3+2)

573

Chicago next in line.  City needs an immediate $1 bllion.  Mayor's answer, sock it to the peons.  Double everyone's property tax.  Life in the People's Republic of Chicago.

 

 

Posted by: burt at March 27, 2014 12:06 PM (1+kJ5)

574 Services?

What services?

Yes, yes, I know about the post office, the DMV, etc, etc. 

These, however, are not what one usually thinks of when the term "government" is brought up.  Government is not these things.  Government is all of the ways in which the state absconds with our money and finds inventive ways to not merely spend it, but to literally destroy it.  To "invest" it in things generate a return that is less than zero.


Posted by: Lee Reynolds at March 28, 2014 03:18 PM (0bC+U)

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