January 17, 2014
— Ace Of course.
From The Hill:
Obama and congressional Democrats are pushing for an across-the-board hike in the minimum hourly wage, from $7.25 to $10.10. But Republicans are cool to the plan, warning it could hurt the economy.
Federal contractors represent only a fraction of the nationÂ’s employees. Businesses that together received more than $446 billion in federal contracts employ some 2 million workers, only some of whom are paid the minimum wage. Still, an increase for that segment of the workforce could generate momentum toward a raise for all workers now paid the lowest amount allowable by law.
An executive order to that effect would be tantamount to setting a minimum wage for federal contractors, they said. “Profitable corporations that receive lucrative contracts from the federal government should pay all of their workers a decent wage,” the lawmakers wrote. Obama in recent days has vowed to make 2014 "a year of action," even if it means relying heavily on administrative authority to pursue policy goals in lieu of congressional action.
At first blush, I thought it was possible this would be permissible (if not advisable) under our Constitutional scheme, given that he was directing the Executive itself to make these payments.
But despite that trying-to-be-fair impulse, I'd still like to see legal opinions on this. After all, the President will not be paying these wages out of his own funds. The excess wages will, of course, be paid for by taxpayers, and absent an act of Congress raising the federal contractor minimum wage, this seems probably illegal.
As usual, of course.
"Year of Action," guys.
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Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 17, 2014 08:27 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 08:27 AM (ZSjd6)
Important difference since federal employees would include the military.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 08:27 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:27 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 17, 2014 08:28 AM (GjPnA)
Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2014 08:28 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 17, 2014 08:28 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Guido 'H8tr extraordinaire' at January 17, 2014 08:28 AM (yICtd)
Posted by: Ex-MSLSD Host at January 17, 2014 08:28 AM (ndlFj)
Posted by: RolandTHTG at January 17, 2014 08:28 AM (QM5S2)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (ZSjd6)
Posted by: @JohnTant, now boasting a Clinton Disloyalty Index of 6 at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (eytER)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (PYAXX)
I can't believe no one in the WH understands what this will actually do to businesses, especially with the (expensive) Obamacare employer mandate looming.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (LP0Fj)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:29 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (o6g4X)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Hillary! at January 17, 2014 12:30 PM (JQuNB)
Oooh, baby, I'll be right over.
Posted by: Huma Abedin at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (POpqt)
"No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. The law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers." -Barack Obama, 2007
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Barack Litella at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2014 08:30 AM (T0NGe)
The executive branch still has to get its budget from Congress. So I think Barky can pay his minions whatever he wants provided he gets the budget for it.
Of course, this will never happen because strong opposition party and stuff.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (t3UFN)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (ZSjd6)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: RolandTHTG"
Just needs a parrot w/a beret....
Posted by: backhoe at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (ULH4o)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (T0NGe)
Working the drive thru window isn't a career fuck nuggets.
Posted by: Adam at January 17, 2014 08:31 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: SpongeBobObama at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (kxSZr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 12:29 PM (ZPrif)
Uh Joe, the NSA has just passed your idea along to O'boy...thanks.
Posted by: Guido 'H8tr extraordinaire' at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (yICtd)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (u2a4R)
After all, they should be willing to share.
Posted by: AmishDude
That's just our stepping stone to Single Payer law-care!
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 08:32 AM (nZiT2)
I just wish he would go Full On Hugo and get it over with.
He hasn't yet? Oh, yeah, you're right. I still have toilet paper.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: I hear voices. at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (ODqJ7)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (T0NGe)
17 - You're getting warmer.
He wants a command economy - ran through large private companies executing federal decrees and managing the daily affairs.
It worked great in Germany ... for a while.
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (cM7hk)
Money gets made, donors get paid, low level contract employees, particularly H-visa holders , stay on the plantation.
Taxpayer funded, FTW.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (5ikDv)
No, but I bet the people flipping burgers at the Burger King on base do.
Posted by: no good deed at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (vBhbc)
Posted by: small town girl in wyoming at January 17, 2014 08:33 AM (ETCgz)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: wilber at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (b96e6)
No kidding. And just yesterday Michelle was still using the insipid "move America forward!" slogan re: making college affordable.
"Let's Move!", "FORWARD", etc. - a little too "Great Leap Forward" for me.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: small town girl in wyoming at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (ETCgz)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:34 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: Broken Window Fallacy at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (pginn)
Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (uzmcT)
What if he tried to lower the minimum wage across the board with a pen stroke?
I don't think he can do either, but we'll see. I personally don't think the politics of raising the minimum wage of federal workers is a winner politically, there's a bipartisan feeling outside of the beltway that we're being drained for the new DC Aristocracy. If he gets his hand slapped, it looks even worse.
If I were the Republican House, I'd write some ridiculous bill that raised the minimum wage, but put in a poison pill like the company automatically qualifies for an ObamaCare waiver. Just to screw with them and take the issue away.
Posted by: McAdams at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (ZVOAw)
Posted by: and irresolute at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (RqHWH)
Posted by: Kevin at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 08:35 AM (ZSjd6)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (8ZskC)
of course it renders the entire Omnibus worthless...
and frankly if he CAN do it why hasn't he already?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (2oU2+)
Posted by: Left Legal Establishment at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (bNnI1)
Posted by: King Barackankhamen at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:36 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: BignJames at January 17, 2014 08:37 AM (ZNQKl)
Posted by: Barry, King Of Siam at January 17, 2014 08:37 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2014 08:38 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: runningrn at January 17, 2014 08:38 AM (o6g4X)
Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at January 17, 2014 08:38 AM (2oU2+)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 08:38 AM (ZSjd6)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (GeVLX)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (whKdw)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Boone at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (3p8HS)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (+lsX1)
*Ahem*
Not if we have anything to do with it.
Posted by: NLRB at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (POpqt)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 12:38 PM (ZSjd6)
Yeah. You would have to change your sleeping patterns completely.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:39 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: John "Deeply Closeted" Boehner at January 17, 2014 08:40 AM (JQuNB)
If so that would affect us...lol - Obama voters, all.
Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at January 17, 2014 08:40 AM (GdalM)
Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at January 17, 2014 08:40 AM (+UrNT)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:40 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: LIV at January 17, 2014 08:40 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: wth at January 17, 2014 08:40 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: natasha at January 17, 2014 08:41 AM (pyYXJ)
Posted by: John McCain at January 17, 2014 08:41 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: John Iscariot Roberts at January 17, 2014 08:41 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Boone at January 17, 2014 08:41 AM (3p8HS)
Which still renders the omnibus pretty much meaningless
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 08:42 AM (TE35l)
What % of federal contractors make the minimum?
I'd bet almost 0%.
There are a lot of us out here in flyover, doing little dipshit jobs for the feds who have employees making near-minimum.
Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at January 17, 2014 08:42 AM (GdalM)
Seems to me that anyone doing work on a federal project has to certify that they are paying their employees the federal worker wage.
I'll bet hidden in TARP was requirements that they pay no less than the federal minimum wage.
Then, you have the union contracts that have automatic pay increases if the base wage (e.g. the minimum wage for the job) increases.
That, I think, is what is going on here.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 17, 2014 08:43 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 12:40 PM (ZPrif
Neither, it's a stunt to keep the headlines about Obama Fighting For The Working Man and not about Obamacare Fucking Up Everything.
I actually see nothing wrong with Obama doing this. No company is forced to take federal contracts. I doubt there are more than a handful of contractor employees making the minimum wage, but if Obama wants to do more Gesture Liberalism, let him.
Posted by: rockmom at January 17, 2014 08:43 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: deadrody at January 17, 2014 08:43 AM (aT8Zk)
This is so depressing.
Apparently, the first mistake of the government issuing "lucrative contracts" can be fixed by a second mistake where it forces others also to overpay.
Posted by: Prndl at January 17, 2014 08:44 AM (2Ynt1)
Posted by: Starship captain Barack Luc Picardobama at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Boone at January 17, 2014 12:41 PM (3p8HS)
DING DING DING!!
Tell him what he's won Jay!
Posted by: RolandTHTG at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (QM5S2)
Correct ALL Kabuki...the GOP should offer student loan forgiveness indexed by cuts to the schools that OVERCHARGED for education and the future student "loans" being paid based on a flat 20% of Cr Hr $ rate just like they fuck Dr's with medicare medicaid...
of course...that won't happen b/c it'd require goring THEIR sacred cow
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (659DL)
Bingo.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: BignJames
Courtesy of the Davis Bacon Act of 1931
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (nZiT2)
Every time i see this in the comments I have a mini stroke. Fucking John McCain.
Posted by: PAgirlinNC at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (mPKiR)
Posted by: and irresolute at January 17, 2014 08:45 AM (RqHWH)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (PYAXX)
I don't know.
Food service , cleaning, housekeeping,landscaping,daycare multiplied by every Federal building installation or rented office.
That's a LOT of pretty low paying jobs especially in right to work states.
Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (5ikDv)
And who pays for that increase in the end? Why you and me, of course.
Posted by: Marmo at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (QW+AD)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (PYAXX)
>>"But Republicans are cool to the plan, warning it could hurt the economy.>>
Translation: we're gonna cave.
Posted by: rrpjr at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (s/yC1)
Posted by: John "Deeply Closeted" Boehner at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: acat at January 17, 2014 08:46 AM (4UkCP)
More likely it would mean that contractors who do pay some workers minimum wage would simply increase their bids to reflect the higher operating costs.
I need not point out who will end up paying for the higher costs.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 17, 2014 08:47 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:48 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:48 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2014 08:48 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:48 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 08:49 AM (7mQyC)
My legal opinion is that Obama is a lazy, Marxist, America-hating piece of shit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:49 AM (8ZskC)
I'm not a lawyer or even a Constitutional Law lecturer, but I have the impression that such an EO likely would pass muster. Or at least have precedent.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 17, 2014 08:49 AM (SY2Kh)
Second look, my friendssshh?
Posted by: John McCain at January 17, 2014 08:50 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 17, 2014 08:50 AM (bUvM7)
Mitch McConnell, McCain, Graham, Boehner?
-
His conscience?
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:50 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:50 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Peggy Joseph at January 17, 2014 08:50 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2014 08:50 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 08:51 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 17, 2014 08:51 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Bob Dole [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 08:51 AM (5ikDv)
Posted by: garrett at January 17, 2014 08:51 AM (ZSjd6)
Easy peazy.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 17, 2014 08:51 AM (BZAd3)
15: "Can Obama order Federal Contractors to pay 2x the going rate for gasoline and fossil fuels as a way to force them to use more "green" energy?"
See Executive Order 13423.
He may not be able ot order them to pay more for gas (directly), but he can order that they only use vehicle type X.
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 17, 2014 08:51 AM (v6cwT)
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:52 AM (Hx5uv)
OT
the JEF promising not to spy on foreigners anymore, coupled with this, which came out yesterday
President Obama's Department of Justice wants to "expand its definition of racial profiling" so that federal agents will no longer be able to consider religion, national origin, or gender/sexual orientation in their investigations...
ACLU national security attorney Hina Shamsi praised the proposed changes, saying: "Putting an end to [these profiling techniques] not only comports with the Constitution, it would put real teeth to the F.B.I.'s claims that it wants better relationships with minorities."
not a coincidence
Posted by: thunderb at January 17, 2014 08:52 AM (zOTsN)
nice country we had. bye.
Posted by: Mallfly at January 17, 2014 08:52 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 08:52 AM (P7Wsr)
I don't know, my father used to have a friend who worked for Lockheed, I don't know what his exact title was but he pretty much went around changing light bulbs and he made pretty decent money.
Posted by: Adam at January 17, 2014 08:52 AM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Mega at January 17, 2014 08:53 AM (hHFOx)
-
My question is did he get one of those government penis pumps?
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:53 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:53 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 08:53 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 17, 2014 08:53 AM (QxSug)
Was he Polish, and if so, how large was his crew?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 08:54 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, chillin' like a villain at January 17, 2014 08:54 AM (naUcP)
Joe Biden walks into a bar and greets the bartender with a joyous hug and hello.
The bartender says, " Why are you so happy today?"
Biden replies , " I just heard my boss say he is going to give me a raise to $10.10 an hour!! "
Posted by: polynikes at January 17, 2014 08:54 AM (m2CN7)
As near as I can tell, he is going to go after the recent budget mess where retired Veterans will be losing raises, right?
We really do not deserve him.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 17, 2014 08:54 AM (kFCo1)
Posted by: RWC at January 17, 2014 08:54 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:54 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: oeJay44incday at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: Dr. Schlomo Pugberg at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (Qev5V)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (GeVLX)
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'Cause there's so many chick serial killer rapists out there. That and Seventh Day Adventist mad bombers.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:55 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Fuck the GOP at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Iblis at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (NVFTu)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (lZBBB)
Like this:
http://tinyurl.com/lgnevq9
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, chillin' like a villain at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (naUcP)
ding ding ding..... we have a winner
Posted by: Jimmy Hoffa at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: Heralder at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (/Mxso)
We view that as a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: Weather Underground at January 17, 2014 08:56 AM (Aif/5)
160. <<what the fuck is going on with amnesty?
Does anyone in the party listen to anyone who votes?>>
Check this out.
http://tinyurl.com/kzjzzkr
Posted by: rrpjr at January 17, 2014 08:57 AM (s/yC1)
????????????????????????wtf?
Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at January 17, 2014 08:57 AM (GdalM)
Posted by: RWC at January 17, 2014 08:57 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (P7Wsr)
No...
I called it here long ago the ONLY group who will ever get cut is the Veteran
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Lizzy at January 17, 2014 12:29 PM (POpqt)
Oh, they understand perfectly.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Null at January 17, 2014 08:58 AM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Fuck the GOP at January 17, 2014 08:59 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 08:59 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2014 12:54 PM (8ZskC)
Okay, I will now add to my schitck to How Many Lightbulbs.....
This will be a more difficult challenge. I have no where to go but up anyway.
Posted by: polynikes at January 17, 2014 08:59 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 08:59 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 12:50 PM (PYAXX)
I've been hearing "interest rates are going to go up" for the past five years.
When is it going to happen?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 17, 2014 08:59 AM (m2Izr)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 09:00 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Quothe Obama at January 17, 2014 09:00 AM (TM1p8)
Posted by: SMOD at January 17, 2014 01:00 PM (Pr6hk)
*grovels subserviently*
Posted by: Insomniac at January 17, 2014 09:01 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 09:01 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 09:01 AM (GeVLX)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2014 09:01 AM (lUXJH)
http://tinyurl.com/m2ybr58
Because now our healthcare will be as bad as yours!
Take that you bastards.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 17, 2014 09:01 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Andy Dufresne at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Huffington Post at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (obXkJ)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (GeVLX)
I'm hearing Obama wants to outsource, or establish an overseer on the NSA independent of that agency - am I missing something, or does that result in even less accountability under law?
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (Pr6hk)
If that happens, he'll have no problems if Congress raises it to $100/hr.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 17, 2014 09:02 AM (DQZLr)
That's when they bring back the draft.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (m2Izr)
I don't know if you are familiar with the old South. You know, Stephen Foster, Way Down Upon The Swanee River, Old Black Joe, etc. But the word 'pone' could be considered raaayyycist. Or you may have meat a piece of cornbread.
Posted by: Erowmero at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (OONaw)
That trillion dollar platinum coin idea sounds better every day.
Posted by: EC at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 01:01 PM (GeVLX)
Not as long as Murphy lives.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: BurtTC at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (BeSEI)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (P7Wsr)
This is likely permissible. Which does nothing more than to underline how out of control powerful the executive branch has become.
This could not be used on past contracts or existing contracts, however.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Toyo Harada's Eggbreakers at January 17, 2014 09:03 AM (/Crba)
Exactly what I said...
Mirror Universe John Boehner should have the safest seated Republican go batshit populist right back at giggles...
The young are bitching about their loans they want student loan forgiveness so give it to the little darlings, as long as you tie in the use of student loans by a campus to a Federal Flat rate....
say 60 bucks a credit hour for future US Citizen students...
The Feds have been fucking doctors on Medicare and Medicaid paid outs for decades....it is why private insurance goes up.
Barky got elected in part because schools swim in taxpayer backed "free money" and the College educator class backs communism damn near to the 9s...
Gore his fucking cow for a change and point out that college cost has gone up six fold since I was in the 9th grade.
"We Republicans think this is a fucking tragedy for the poor and middle class' kids to be tied down to these HORRIBLE loans...so under the DERP ACT we will control college costs by making schools voluntarily agree to price controls if they accept or get ANY Federal aid"
"Fairness for America and the Kids"
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (TE35l)
He'll will outsource it to the Chinese.
Posted by: EC at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 17, 2014 01:02 PM (3ZtZW)
An NSA Czar, who answers only to Mr. Soros
Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 17, 2014 01:03 PM (m2Izr)
Never happen.
Congress would have to say one of two mutually exclusive things:
1 - Men and women are equal, therefore, women will be drafted.
2 - Men and women are not equal, therefore women will not be drafted.
What politician is going to say either of those things in public?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2014 12:31 PM (t3UFN)
I agree wholeheartedly but to do those very necessary things we need an opposition party.
I privately refer to the GOP Establishment as Whig Republicans. Like the old Whigs, they're fearful of confronting the Democrats partly because they lack conviction and partly because they're yellow. They won't fight. They're fearful and timid and in the pockets of big money corporate donors who are, as a class, largely apolitical and simply view their control of the GOP as a means to advance their agenda, which may or may not be aligned with the good of the country. I wouldn't call them patriots, especially since they're the ones primarily responsible for promoting amnesty for the sake of cheap labor, working Americans be damned.
Contrary to popular conceptions, Big Business, by and large, loves them some Mussolini-style socialism. Only those with the resources great enough to matter in terms of money or political clout are allowed access to the ruling inner circles. All others are shut out.
Posted by: troyriser at January 17, 2014 09:04 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 17, 2014 09:05 AM (5tpzF)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 09:05 AM (GeVLX)
192: "When you break Faith with those who defend you.... who will defend you in the future?"
Judging by the response to Hoover's crushing of the Bonus Army, this won't affect much.
Besides, who can stomach staying untill retirement anymore?
Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 17, 2014 09:05 AM (OJn3e)
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at January 17, 2014 09:06 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 17, 2014 09:06 AM (P7Wsr)
That's as far as I've gotten.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 01:03 PM (Hx5uv)
The bartender says, " Ma'am , why are you crawling on the floor"
Clinton says " I'm dodging gun fire. Can't you hear it?"
Posted by: polynikes at January 17, 2014 09:06 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (GeVLX)
What happens when that last point changes to "Interest rates pushes past 5% today..."
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That's when the burning starts.
That's what is so scary: 100% of federal revenue, at that point, goes merely to pay the interest on debt.
And that, that accelerates the debt spiral of death.
Because then, 100% of spending--grannies Social Security check, included--is borrowed.
In the 1970's people were buying houses on a note bearing 18% interest . . . .
We are hurtling at super-sonic speeds towards "good credit, no credit? Doesn't fucking matter--nobody can afford to borrow."
And, as many pointed out yesterday, the realtors are scrambling to bankrupt as many people as they can right now before that happens. 'Cause they know damned good and well what is coming.
Our Congress ain't the only ones lighting fires left and right, looting as much as they can and then getting the hell out of town.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (7mQyC)
Posted by: Chief Brodie at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: JL at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (75uHN)
Oh Allen I *do not* believe it, well I do but I don't think anyone coerced the little fuckers with anything besides too big a loan for too long a shot at success...
but listen to the little bastards...they think the loans are TOO big, they think the schools LIED to them....
fine use that to buy them off just like LBJ bought the blacks.
Weaponize his sacred cows' wounded detritus and use it to gore his fucking sacred cow for a change.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: Fuck the GOP at January 17, 2014 09:07 AM (JQuNB)
Posted by: Toyo Harada's Eggbreakers at January 17, 2014 09:08 AM (/Crba)
Fuckhead, how you been?
I'd be thrilled to read your histrionics under Bush.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 09:08 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 17, 2014 09:08 AM (5tpzF)
When is it going to happen?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
When credit and wages pick up -> inflation -> bond market adjusts upwards -> Fed has to raise rates -> rinse & repeat.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 17, 2014 09:09 AM (nZiT2)
Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 17, 2014 09:09 AM (VtjlW)
That's when they bring back the draft.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 17, 2014 01:03 PM (m2Izr)
Never happen.
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Also: Not required. Drafts necessarily mean the Army had tooled down at some point to a peacetime level. It also means that passing a Draft requires foresight, as in "war's coming, better saddle up". Interesting that the WW2 Draft was enacted *prior* to Pearl Harbor, no? Neither cases obtain these days.
Posted by: Bigby's Semaphore Hands at January 17, 2014 09:09 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: NCKate at January 17, 2014 09:09 AM (x6fKj)
"If you want an image of the future, imagine a smelly cooter, stamping on a human face, for all eternity." -Twilight 1984.
Posted by: EC at January 17, 2014 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 17, 2014 09:10 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 17, 2014 09:10 AM (GeVLX)
http://tinyurl.com/llcw6a6
Blow it out your ass!
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 17, 2014 09:10 AM (BZAd3)
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 17, 2014 09:10 AM (cM7hk)
and the bartender says "Welcome, Mrs. Clinton. I see you've found the carpet. Hardwood in the next room if you prefer.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 17, 2014 09:10 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: rickl at January 17, 2014 09:11 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Yellowstone Caldera at January 17, 2014 09:11 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Chicago Union Boss at January 17, 2014 09:11 AM (Pr6hk)
Congress would have to say one of two mutually exclusive things:
1 - Men and women are equal, therefore, women will be drafted.
2 - Men and women are not equal, therefore women will not be drafted.
What politician is going to say either of those things in public?
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 17, 2014 01:04 PM (fwARV)
Would women complain that they were not being drafted?
Do young women complain that their automobile insurance rates are lower than
the rates of young men?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 17, 2014 09:11 AM (m2Izr)
Posted by: Dr. Schlomo Pugberg at January 17, 2014 09:11 AM (Qev5V)
The number of new federal employees hired each year is about 40,000 and the step system is seniority-based, so only those new hires could possibly be at the $8.65 number. The average new employee comes in at an average grade of 5, however, meaning that there cannot be more than about 10,000 federal employees making anywhere close to minimum wage--out of a total civilian federal workforce of about 2.7 million.
Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 17, 2014 09:12 AM (bUvM7)
Well Allen for how many years have I wanted to save the Republic from this shit?
America didn't want saved, so quit trying to save her and get payback.
That will blow up the country if we pass it and it will destroy them dems not to pass it....
a lot like Amnesty....
I'm tired of the only safeguard Liberty has being the love and patriotism one side of the divide has.
Shoot the hostage so to speak.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 09:13 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 17, 2014 09:13 AM (LSJmV)
When is it going to happen?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr
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That is the question that ought to cause you to wake up covered in a cold sweat.
Unless you can imagine a scenario where it stays the same? (It can't go down as it is already at 0.)
Basically, you have to somehow imagine that there is some way the debt gets paid down and--AND--spending doesn't go up.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 17, 2014 09:13 AM (VjL9S)
I guess part of this too is the thinking that the really big government vendors like Sodexho and Cintas and Waste Management will raise the minimum for all their workers voluntarily. Or at least if any of those companies have unions it will give them more ammunition to demand a wage increase. So it could have a ripple effect of raising the minimum wage for a lot of workers without new federal legislation.
I could certainly see some quiet strong-arming of those comapnies by the Administration on this. "Hey, nice government contract to have there....shame if anything happened to it." Those who want to keep their contracts will suck it up and pay their non-government workers more too.
Don't forget that radical thug Tom Perez is now Secretary of Labor and in charge of the division that enforces wage and hour laws.
Some FOIAs might be in order once this EO is issued and in effect for a while.
Posted by: rockmom at January 17, 2014 09:14 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at January 17, 2014 09:16 AM (91XRk)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2014 09:19 AM (lZBBB)
Exactly, it will blow up the omnibus...BUT if we use my student loan forgiveness plan we can do A HUGE gesture
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 09:20 AM (TE35l)
Say that it is a breather that costs employers nothing while allowing the economy to catch it's breath.
Dare the fucking Dems to refuse a year extension right before elections.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 17, 2014 09:24 AM (VjL9S)
There you go...
another good idea which means we won't do it b/c "responsibility"...
if MomJeans got reelected it means the voters don't want responsible they want free
Posted by: sven10077 at January 17, 2014 09:26 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Iblis at January 17, 2014 10:10 AM (NVFTu)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 17, 2014 10:15 AM (9eDbm)
Posted by: random thought generator at January 17, 2014 11:01 AM (indzz)
Posted by: Sam Hill at January 17, 2014 11:02 AM (zgHLA)
Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at January 17, 2014 11:06 AM (fJqq3)
All federal contractors agree to pay wages established annually under the Davis Bacon act. I seriously doubt that there are unskilled workers in large numbers employed by federal contractors. The overhead of dealing with federal contracting doesn't make it worth the effort of offering low wage, low skilled workers on a federal contract.
Additionally, in both construction and service contracts, the offeror discloses the rates that pay to all employee categories that are expected to be used in the contract. These Contract Line Items, called "CLINS," are negotiated between the contracting officer and the contracting firm.
There ain't no such animal as a minimum wage employee on a federal contract. I know this, because I've been working for, with and against the United States Government--as a contracting technical rep and as a contractor--for more that 25 years.
This is nothing more than grandstanding.
Posted by: IBleedCrimsonRed at January 17, 2014 11:27 AM (UxlLb)
Posted by: Barry at January 17, 2014 12:53 PM (IDH+x)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 17, 2014 02:35 PM (1hM1d)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 17, 2014 02:37 PM (1hM1d)
BHO can take that pen and shove it up his phone.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at January 18, 2014 08:15 PM (LsJAk)
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Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2014 08:26 AM (Hx5uv)