January 31, 2014

Obama: Those Principles On Immigration Boehner Announced Sound Ok To Me
— DrewM

Fantastic.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and GOP leaders on Thursday released a set of "principles" that included a path to legal status -- but not citizenship -- for the more than 10 million illegal immigrants currently in the United States. Immigration reform advocates expressed optimism about the move, and Obama's words Friday seem to further improve chances for a deal.

"If the speaker proposes something that says, right away, folks aren't being deported, families aren't being separated, we're able to attract top young students to provide the skills or start businesses here and then there's a regular process of citizenship, I'm not sure how wide the divide ends up being," Obama said in an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper.

Obama echoed immigrant advocacy groups that gave the GOP's so-called "principles" a vote of confidence. These groups in recent days have expressed more openness to something that stops shy of a path to citizenship.

"I am encouraged by what Speaker Boehner has said," Obama said. "Obviously, I was encouraged by the bipartisan bill that passed out of the Senate. I genuinely believe that Speaker Boehner and a number of House Republicans, folks like Paul Ryan, really do want to get a serious immigration reform bill done."

The only upside to the GOP giving conservatives the shaft on immigration, again, is when Team GOP says, "by holding Republicans accountable for their liberal votes you are only helping to elect Democrats" we can point out that they are the ones who are throwing Obama a legislative lifeline. We just spent 2 days talking about how the State of the Union proved Obama's agenda was dead and he was reduced to "a pen and a phone" gestures. And yet the Republicans have decided this is the perfect time to offer him a way forward on one to the Democrats top 3 legislative priorities.

A couple of reminders from the archives...

Yes, it's amnesty because there are penalties on the books now for being here illegally that will be ignored.

Amnesty is immoral.

Being anti-amnesty isn't the same as being anti-immigration or anti-immigrant.

In case you missed it last night, watch the video in this post of people learning what ObamaCare is going to do to them and their families. Then explain to me why the GOP wants to waste one second helping people who are breaking our laws that could be used to help these people who just want to raise their family and not get hurt by their government.

And to add insult to injury, not only will Republicans spend time not helping these people, they will be working to make sure people who came here illegally can now compete with them for their jobs.

There's your GOP. But sure, keep telling me why it's terrible I won't blindly vote for anyone with an "R" after their name.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:25 AM | Comments (318)
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1 When Obama, Reid and Pelosi are cheering you on, it's time to check yourself.

Posted by: lawdvd at January 31, 2014 07:27 AM (d3clc)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 31, 2014 07:27 AM (PYAXX)

3 Awesome. First rule: if Emperor TehWon agrees with you you're doing it wrong.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 31, 2014 07:28 AM (1hM1d)

4 Oh fer... C'mon Texas- can we just secede already?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 31, 2014 07:28 AM (PYAXX)

5 GOP fundraising hardest hit

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 31, 2014 07:28 AM (027eb)

6 There is no opposition party. Welcome to the Unity Party from Pournelle's Falkenberg novels.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 07:29 AM (RD7QR)

7

I once dated a Bosnian girl.  Fled to Germany during the war, then came here after.  HATES illegal immigrants.  (Not as much as she hates Albanians, though that was never explained.)  Why should they not have to go through what I went through, she said... then went on a tirade about burrito-eaters.

 

Sex was outstanding, though.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 07:29 AM (WDCYi)

8 No bill should be longer than the Constitution. As a compromise, I would even allow the Bill of Rights to count towards the number of words in the limit.

Posted by: AMDG at January 31, 2014 07:29 AM (t7OO0)

9 Alt Headlines : Horchata Futures Soar

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 07:29 AM (vNUsr)

10 It's not a statement of principles.  It's a Statement of Unprinciples.

You know the old joke where a billionaire asks a woman if she'd take $1 million to sleep with him and she says yes, and the he offers her $20 for a BJ.  She gets offended and he punchlines her with 'we've already established what you are, now we're just discussing price.'

The GOP is like that woman, except they say' $20 sounds like a lot?  Are you sure that's not too much?'

They give cheap whores a bad name.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at January 31, 2014 07:30 AM (ZMzpb)

11 Oh fer... C'mon Texas- can we just secede already? Seconded.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 07:30 AM (cUARf)

12 My hopes of America righting itself through a peaceful political process are all but gone now.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2014 07:30 AM (tf9Ne)

13 C'mon Texas- can we just secede already? thirded.

Posted by: lindafell at January 31, 2014 07:31 AM (PGO8C)

14 (Not as much as she hates Albanians, though that was never explained.) Nothing wrong with hating Albanians.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 07:31 AM (vNUsr)

15

8: "I once dated a Bosnian girl. Fled to Germany during the war, then came here after. HATES illegal immigrants."

 

My wife feels the same way. After all the hoops we had to jump through to get her and my oldest son over, even with me being a GI stationed overseas, amnesty for Mexicans only pisses her right off.

 

That and the fact that while she speaks 4 languages, because Spanish isn't one of them, she gets shafted looking for work.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 31, 2014 07:31 AM (OJn3e)

16 Amen to that " I won't blindly vote for anyone with an "R" after their name. " part.

Posted by: and irresolute at January 31, 2014 07:32 AM (RqHWH)

17 C'mon Texas- can we just secede already? Seconded. Don't be heartless, guys.

Posted by: Rick Perry at January 31, 2014 07:32 AM (vNUsr)

18 For those of you not lurking in the previous thread--word from shredded chi that Joffen is no longer among us.  Prayers for his soul and his family.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 07:32 AM (sQ0LB)

19 This is just... there are no words for this kind of stupidity. Is having a majority in the House just too much responsibility for Republicans? I just don't understand.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at January 31, 2014 07:33 AM (OPg+h)

20 Obama is apparently free to make unilateral changes to the obamacare law. What is going to keep him from making unilateral changes to the immigration law, the tough backbone of John Boner?

Posted by: Max Entropy at January 31, 2014 07:33 AM (cgtTL)

21 I'll never vote or contribute to another candidate for anything who calls themselves a Republican if they deliver a piece of legislation on immigration that this President will sign. We need another party and screw any of you who say this will result in Democrats winning. They're winning now anyway.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 07:34 AM (659DL)

22 Thoughts and prayers for Joffen's family and those who knew him.

Posted by: ExSnipe at January 31, 2014 07:34 AM (LKJt3)

23 I've heard paranoid theories that the Republicans are purposefully trying to prop up Democrats in furtherance of their shared goals of statism and corporatism. 

And then this shit started happening and I just can't refute the theory anymore. 

The stupid party has gone full retard.  After a long enough and consistent course of stupid action, I feel like it's not an accident.  If this were the accidents of stupidity, they'd have gotten something right by accident too.  That's not really the case.

Posted by: shillelagh at January 31, 2014 07:35 AM (hRzu2)

24
We're boned.  By the time it gets to stories like this, the plans, the bill, the timing has already been decided.

They see the math written on the wall, they must keep an ever increasing big govt or the whole house of cards will come tumbling down. 

I think they know it is a Hail Mary too, as the new immigrants are much more likely to increase costs than increase GDP.  Nevertheless, they are going to do it.

The other option of Austerity would never be a consideration for these pampered elitist bastards.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2014 07:35 AM (n0DEs)

25 Joffen, really? That's horrible news.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 07:35 AM (vNUsr)

26 18 For those of you not lurking in the previous thread--word from shredded chi that Joffen is no longer among us. Prayers for his soul and his family.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 11:32 AM (sQ0LB)


God bless and keep him.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 07:36 AM (RD7QR)

27 Man, that sucks. Prayers to his friends and family.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 07:36 AM (/o+xv)

28 As Ann Coulter said today, they are stupid and they are killing the Party at the direction of the same set of stupid consultants that lost the election for Romney.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 31, 2014 07:36 AM (T2V/1)

29 And yes, the Republican Party is dead to me.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 31, 2014 07:37 AM (T2V/1)

30
May God be with Joffen's family in this time of immeasurable grief.  Especially his little girl.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 31, 2014 07:37 AM (P6QsQ)

31 But, but, but...IMMIGRANTS ARE DYING IN THE STREETS!!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 07:37 AM (fT3qO)

32 I got an idea, lets FIRST enforce the laws that are on the books now and see how that goes and then get back to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2014 07:37 AM (t3UFN)

33 28 As Ann Coulter said today, they are stupid and they are killing the Party at the direction of the same set of stupid consultants that lost the election for Romney.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:36 AM (T2V/1)


Their big money donors want it and they matter more to the elites than the base does.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 07:37 AM (RD7QR)

34 18 For those of you not lurking in the previous thread--word from shredded chi that Joffen is no longer among us. Prayers for his soul and his family.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 11:32 AM (sQ0LB)



Damn, he finally did it huh?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 31, 2014 07:37 AM (T2V/1)

35 I'm ordering The Anarchist Cookbook.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 31, 2014 07:38 AM (JQuNB)

36 I am not anti immigrant... or anti immigration... But I am for putting limits on it. I live in the Central Valley of California... an area which has had de facto unlimited Immigration for about 30 years. I am also retired Navy, and KNOW what it feels like to be in a foreign country.... The town I was born, and raised in... now feels foreign to me. There are days I hear more Spanish spoken, than English. There are clubs and businesses that I am not welcome in... 1/2 of the radio stations, are Spanish.... Because... I am NOW a minority in my own home town... Oh... and did I mention the economy SUCKS... with very high unemployment? and many many people getting Government assistance??? Hell... drive down 99 Highway... you can tell who has not been in the country long by how they drive... And it was NOT this way when I was born here 54 years ago. Immigration is OK... too high of a Rate of Immigration and they will not assimilate to the Parent culture.... and that culture then dies.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 07:38 AM (84gbM)

37 30
May God be with Joffen's family in this time of immeasurable grief. Especially his little girl.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 31, 2014 11:37 AM (P6QsQ)


How do you explain that to a child?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 07:38 AM (RD7QR)

38 To fundraiser: "Please hold while I push my GOP tirade button"

(There may be a cottage industry in EOJ making answering machine recordings)

Posted by: AE at January 31, 2014 07:38 AM (sSKe8)

39 The caucus is going to be interesting next week.  Between immigration and healthcare I'm about ready to go all splodey.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 31, 2014 07:38 AM (ZWvOb)

40 23 "I've heard paranoid theories that the Republicans are purposefully trying to prop up Democrats in furtherance of their shared goals of statism and corporatism. And then this shit started happening and I just can't refute the theory anymore." shillelagh The election is being handing to the R's on a silver platter. We now have their answer: "no thanks."

Posted by: lawdvd at January 31, 2014 07:39 AM (d3clc)

41 I think I am becoming a rock-ribbed Independent. If they pass an amnesty bill, I'll never pull the lever for a Republican again.

Posted by: West at January 31, 2014 07:39 AM (1Rgee)

42 The vast majority of the GOP, including all of its leadership, is in full lock-step with our Progressive Overlords. They are quislings. All the feuding and fussing between the two parties is a creation of the lying MFM and the 2 parties themselves, to serve as a smokescreen. They have to make it APPEAR that there is an opposition party, and both parties fund-raise off of their supposed ideological differences. The "2 parties" are really one party, pretending to be two to make money. People need to wake up to this fact. But most of them won't.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 07:39 AM (7ObY1)

43 How do you explain that to a child?

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 11:38 AM (RD7QR)


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I don't know.  I just don't know.  Dear Lord .....

Posted by: grammie winger at January 31, 2014 07:39 AM (P6QsQ)

44 And yes, the Republican Party is dead to me. Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:37 AM (T2V/1) And me

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 31, 2014 07:39 AM (R8hU8)

45 "22 Thoughts and prayers for Joffen's family and those who knew him."

You got it. I do not have the deep, abiding faith and trust my late wife had- she had a little child's. But I am religious in my own Piratical way and he and his family have my humble prayers. Life can be so Gawd-awful sometimes.

Posted by: backhoe at January 31, 2014 07:40 AM (ULH4o)

46 Alright, so here is where I'm going to have to start departing from the company line, so to speak. I guess I have to ask an honest quesiton or two. Do we / you think that illegal immigration is an actual issue that needs to be addressed ? And if so, do you think "self deportation" through enforcement of existing law is a legitimate solution ? I mean, if you follow the link about "existing penalties being ignored" it seems like that means jailtime. Tell me that isn't referenced as a rhetorical crutch. Do you really think you could put every single illegal in jail ? No ? So then are you effectively endorsing a 1) deport by force, 2) enforce the law resulting in self-deportation, 3) jailtime for illegals, or 4) status quo as the only options ? And are you prepared to admit or at least address that the vast majority of your fellow Americans are not going to see those 4 options as acceptable ? Does it even matter ? Look, separating the problem / solution from politics is necessary here. Its a problem that needs to be addressed. Period. Whether or not the GOP is approaching this with the misguided intent to improve their electoral prospects with latinos is really not relevant to the fact that the problem DOES need to be addressed. The fact is, this problem is too big and too complex for any kind of "fuck em" approach. You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute, and you can't do nothing. So... ?

Posted by: deadrody at January 31, 2014 07:40 AM (b2D8X)

47 The problem is that there isnt even a conservative agenda for immigration reform in the debate right now. All we get from Republicans is the Democratic position garnished with "border security". If Democrats want something as big as amnesty, we should get something as equally big in return, like the reform of birthright citizenship for example. No more anchor-babies, which is probably one of the biggest magnets for illegal immigration. But Republicans - including conservative Republicans - dont even talk about this. 

Posted by: The Awkward-Turtle at January 31, 2014 07:40 AM (lvQE+)

48 It's all about keeping their sugar daddy donor's happy. They want cheap legal labor. The DOP could give a rats ass about anyone else. They are too shortsighted and stupid to understand that you can get a zillion dollars in campaign cash, but if nobody votes for you the point is kind of moot. They are like the addict only able to worry about where their next fix is coming from.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 07:40 AM (/o+xv)

49
Prayers also.  Man, that's just....I don't know.

How did Chi hear?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2014 07:41 AM (n0DEs)

50 You can't explain suicide to a child. We as adults barely understand it. All I know is that it leaves a swath of destruction behind it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at January 31, 2014 07:41 AM (LP0Fj)

51 "Then explain to me why the GOP wants to waste one second helping people who are breaking our laws that could be used to help these people who just want to raise their family and not get hurt by their government."

Because the GOP is a crony-corporatist party.  The corporations want to ensure low wages for non-professionals and have been driving our open borders policy for the last 4 years.   They are not "conservative" in any fashion, but pretend to be to garner votes.

Of course the DNC is also a corporatist party, but they combine their corporatist policies with class politics and demagoguery.

Of course conservatives are old "stick-in-the-muds" who believe in the rule of law, but hey are now beginning to realize that the GOP just plays them for suckers...

They should form their own party.,

Posted by: Kasper in Arrears..... at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (HqpV0)

52 The MexiCannon (tm IMAO IIRC), fire it or ride it!
And I'm not just racist, CanadaPult works also.
FinnBuchet, etc.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (DL2i+)

53

There's you GOP. But sure, keep telling me why it's terrible I won't blindly vote for anyone with an "R" after their name.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:25 AM


Hollowpoint will be here to do just that in a few minutes. 

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (POP6j)

54 Do you wingnuts have any idea how many potential high school valedictorians are jacking cars and robbing gas stations because they have to live in the shadows?

Posted by: Paul Ryan at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (9hu1I)

55 Was that Joffen Sunshine Patriot or something?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (fT3qO)

56 46. You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute, and you can't do nothing. Sure you can

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (027eb)

57

Even I can see this is a trap.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (xvtYZ)

58

I'm not as worked up about immigration as most of the horde, but this is politically dumb. 

 

The president has lost his mojo, even the libs are looking at their shoelaces and mumbling about how they really thought he'd be good at this job.  And now the Rs want to give him a victory, an actual accomplishment.

 

Leave him to his phone, his pen, and his iPod full of his own speeches.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (A0sHn)

59 Dam. I didn't know he had a little one. How the fuck. O.K. I'll stop. Again, prayers to his family and friends.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (/o+xv)

60 The fact is, this problem is too big and too complex for any kind of "fuck em" approach. Posted by: deadrody at January 31, 2014 11:40 AM (b2D8X) Fuck 'em.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 31, 2014 07:42 AM (JQuNB)

61
Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor

@botticellicream It's a one-page statement of principles put forward for the express purpose of prompting discussion. Unwad your panties.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2014 07:43 AM (kdS6q)

62 46  Posted by: deadrody at January 31, 2014 11:40 AM (b2D8X)


The solution is actually very simple.  Cut off all welfare and public assitance to illegals and start raiding companies that hire them.  $1000 fine per illegal working there to be paid by the CEO for first offense.  Jail time for the CEO for 2nd offense.



After a few weeks of that they will go back where they come from or starve.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 31, 2014 07:43 AM (T2V/1)

63 In before Author L. Mendez pops by to call us all bigots.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 31, 2014 07:43 AM (qFpRI)

64 The only good thing from this news is that it insures that no Senator or Congressman will be running for President as a Republican.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at January 31, 2014 07:43 AM (oDCMR)

65 How did Chi hear?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 31, 2014 11:41 AM (n0DEs)


-------------------


Joffen emailed a suicide note to cthulhu, who spent the better part of the nite trying to reach him and work with the authorities.  I think chi contacted those authorities this morning and they confirmed it.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 31, 2014 07:44 AM (P6QsQ)

66 then went on a tirade about burrito-eaters.

Sex was outstanding, though.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 11:29 AM (WDCYi)



You had an ideal situation; how did you fuck that up?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2014 07:44 AM (CXCID)

67 http://gurrforcongress.com/ 7182 Liberty Centre Ct. Suite O, West Chester, Ohio 45069 Eric Gurr is opposed to Amnesty and believes we need to secure our borders.

Posted by: traye at January 31, 2014 07:44 AM (/qYu5)

68 Posted by: deadrody at January 31, 2014 11:40 AM (b2D8X) Horseshit. We do not put everyone in jail who breaks a law... but the THREAT of jail time keeps most people from doing illegal things. I just got a speeding ticket... cost me $240.... but catch an illegal??? and it costs them NOTHING.... there is NO penalty for breaking our law. You don't have to jail them, although that threat should be there... there ARE other penalties available.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 07:44 AM (84gbM)

69 Too bad authorlmendez left so we don't get to hear him bitch and moan about how we are all racists for opposing amnesty.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 31, 2014 07:44 AM (Gbu/4)

70 I just emailed sniffles the link to that video of the people laughing. I told him come election time, the base will not be as amused as the people in the video.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at January 31, 2014 07:44 AM (9u2hL)

71 1.  Legalize millions of unskilled workers
2. ???
3.  Record low unemployment!!!!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (9hu1I)

72 I'm stunned about the news on Joffen's passing.  God rest his soul and give his family peace.  How very sad.

And in keeping with the thread, I really can't put into words my anger and dismay at what the Republican Party is doing to itself, to us as a base, and ultimately to this country.  It's simply unfathomable and the price will be very, very heavy.  Damn them all straight to hell.  For what it's worth, I plan on calling Congressman Gowdy's office. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (Oa7B2)

73

Joffen emailed a suicide note to cthulhu, who spent the better part of the nite trying to reach him and work with the authorities. I think chi contacted those authorities this morning and they confirmed it.

Posted by: grammie winger at January 31, 2014 11:44 AM (P6QsQ

 

correct.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (sQ0LB)

74

I will be sending a letter to Sen. Cruz asking him to change his party affiliation to independant or libertarian.

 

As much as I love what he has done, I can't bring myself (at this time) to vote for anyone who maintains their ties with the GOP.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (LJpVo)

75 For the repose of Joffen's soul and for his family to be comforted in this tragic time. Lord, hear our prayer.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (qFpRI)

76 You can't explain suicide to a child. We as adults barely understand it. All I know is that it leaves a swath of destruction behind it. Posted by: DangerGirl --------- Mrs. Hammer's father did that, 45 years ago. The psychological echos continue to affect the family.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (aDwsi)

77 5 GOP fundraising hardest hit
Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 31, 2014 11:28 AM (027eb)

Unlikely.  Big bidness is all for it.  Cheap labor.

What I'm hoping for is that major contributors send the big bucks, and at the last minute the politicians "listen to their constituents" and muster few enough actual votes so the measure fails.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (ZALPg)

78 50 You can't explain suicide to a child. We as adults barely understand it. All I know is that it leaves a swath of destruction behind it.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at January 31, 2014 11:41 AM (LP0Fj)


All true. My Mom killed herself in 2011 and I'm STILL processing it. And the effects on the child...my youngest stepson's Dad died (of pancreatic cancer) when my stepson was 16. He's 19 now and it still affects him.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (RD7QR)

79 "Because the GOP is a crony-corporatist party." Well, in fairness, the Donks are too. They're just better at it. Mainly because they're able to make that label stick to the GOP.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 07:45 AM (fT3qO)

80
Immigration reform, despite the best efforts of the anti-immigration hysterics, has not died.

Comprehensive immigration reform of the type Ryan outlined remains popular with the country as a whole and among Republicans. Reform made it through the Senate. The process continues in the House. Optimism may not be in order, but for now thereÂ’s no reason to despair.

Jennifer Rubin - WaPo

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (kdS6q)

81 Posted by: deadrody at January 31, 2014 11:40 AM ............It's actually simple and wouldn't require anything major. I have been to Juarez numerous times to do some missionary work on an orphanage. I say this not out of malice to the people because I would do the same thing if I lived there. There's only one reason they come here and it's for jobs. If we actually enforced and penalized employers who hired illegals the problem would go away and yes, they would self deport and or not even bother to come here. It's really not complicated.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (/o+xv)

82 You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute, and you can't do nothing. You can't damn the Colorado River!

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (vNUsr)

83

I'm done.

All of this talk about "We are with you, but we have to do it this way if we want to win elections," is now shown to be a total, complete, and abject LIE. It's not about winning elections (other than to put one past "the rubes" in red districts); it's about advancing a leftist agenda.

The NRSC calls out the Senate Conservatives Fund for helping to elect democrats, but crickets when Dick Lugar and John Warner actively campaign for Democrats.  The whole dang party machinery is corrupt.

 

 

 

Posted by: Boone at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (3p8HS)

84 Too bad authorlmendez left so we don't get to hear him bitch and moan about how we are all racists for opposing amnesty.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 31, 2014 11:44 AM (Gbu/4)

I never quite got that about him.

Demanding special treatment based on one's race is NOT racism, but demanding that everyone be treated the same regardless of race IS racism.

Got it.

Or not.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (sbV1u)

85 "Cut off all welfare and public assitance to illegals"
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:43 AM (T2V/1)

Sorry Vic. Most illegals don't get the assistance. Their kids do. Their US born American citizen kids. This must be addressed. You come over here illegally and bear a child, the child should not be a US citizen.

I do agree with going after the employer though.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (gHDMy)

86 This just in, Boehner is 'not committed' to moving this legislation forward.

Apparently it was introduced to the GOP as a working paper, or something, to get people talking about it, or something, but Boehner isn't going to introduce actually legislation, or something.

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Posted by: Jay J. Kinder at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (ivs+L)

87 46 Posted by: deadrody at January 31, 2014 11:40 AM (b2D8X) ---- Disagree you can absolutely do nothing. Businesses do this all the time. Freeze hiring and wait for people to retire. In this case enforce existing laws and wait for illegal immigrants to die off. Stop trying to make it nice and cozy to live in America without the legal channels. I don't really care if they self deport. But if they break other laws as a result of not being able to get a job or find a home then yes they need to be dealt with a criminals who have no right to be in your country.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at January 31, 2014 07:46 AM (OPg+h)

88 Every Country, well every functional Country, tries to control it's borders? And we are giving up that right why?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2014 07:47 AM (t3UFN)

89 Joffen is no longer among us. Prayers for his soul and his family.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 11:32 AM (sQ0LB)

----

 

That's horrible. I hope he finds the peace he was lacking in this world. Thoughts and prayers to his family.

Posted by: Darth Randall at January 31, 2014 07:47 AM (xWgW3)

90 GOP to Legal Immigrants: Drop Dead.

I hope the hordes of savages run amok through the White House and House, just like they did at Jackson's inaugural.

Posted by: PJ at January 31, 2014 07:47 AM (ZWaLo)

91 So, Trump is considering a challenge to Andrew Cuomo next election. Heard him as a guest on our local Limbaugh's radio show yesterday. He seems serious. Is this a good thing? For a blue state like NY, I guess Trump is the best that one could hope for.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 07:48 AM (7ObY1)

92 The fact is, this problem is too big and too complex for any kind of "fuck em" approach. You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute, and you can't do nothing. THE LAWS ALREADY IN FORCE ARE SUFFICIENT FOR DEALING WITH OUR IMMIGRATION ISSUES. Unfortunately, pointing this out results in being called a racist, stupid, or both. We have already kowtowed to Silicon Valley on H visas, multinationals and immigration law firms for L visas, and yes, even the religious right, on R visas. Enough. We have just seen a federal attempt to hijack one-sixth of the economy to "deliver" services to 315 million people. It is and will continue to be a disaster. Does anyone here doubt that any legislation will be packed with the same kind of organziaitonal pork that the Dems packed into The Crapulus and The Thing? Does anyone here doubt that high impact states like California, Arizone, New Mexico, Texas, and Florida will have massive amounts of federal crack money dangled in front of them to "help"? We know how this dance goes. A decade after its passage, we'll be impoverished, awash in yet another wave of moral hazard illegals, and resigned to decline. No thanks.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 07:48 AM (659DL)

93

DrewM fires up the anti-Republican troops again by rehashing the same facts from yesterday.    Now because Obama indicates he has no problem with the principals set forth by the Republicans it  somehow makes   it even worse even though none of the facts have changed.    Funny that same logic doesn't apply to his other anti Republican post on the Farm Bill where the majority of the Democrats voted against it  and DrewM  also was against it.

 

Listen I understand and don't disagree with  the anger  but  this never voting or voting for the Democrat  is emotional crap.    Its only logical if you really do want to expedite the destruction of the country.   I can see that.  May not agree but I understand the logic.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2014 07:48 AM (m2CN7)

94 71 1. Legalize millions of unskilled workers
2. ??? Get the rest of actual Americans to drop out of the job market.
3. Record low unemployment!!!!
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 31, 2014 11:45 AM (9hu1I)

That's the part that's missing.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:48 AM (ZALPg)

95 Damn, he finally did it huh? Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:37 AM (T2V/1) Just....wow.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 31, 2014 07:48 AM (bCEmE)

96 4 Oh fer... C'mon Texas- can we just secede already? --- Start the ball rolling and a lot more states will follow.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2014 07:48 AM (/Crba)

97 How do you explain that to a child?


Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 11:38 AM (RD7QR)

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I don't know. I just don't know. Dear Lord .....

Posted by: grammie winger at January 31, 2014 11:39 AM (P6QsQ)

+++++++++++++++++++

My neighbor's SIL killed himself leaving two small children behind.  The oldest one, a little girl, would ask her Grandma to call him for her--something the therapist devised.  So my neighbor, the Grandma, would pretend to dial a number, and give her the phone--reminding her that Daddy can only listen now.   She would scold her Daddy telling him that she was mad at him for leaving and missing everything and then tell him about her day.  My neighbor was against it at first, but, she said, watching it over time, she saw her Granddaughter got to have her say.  Then one day, the child said, "Grandma, I don't need to call him any more, you can throw away that number."  As far as I know, the calls stopped.


Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 31, 2014 07:49 AM (kXoT0)

98 91 So, Trump is considering a challenge to Andrew Cuomo next election.

Heard him as a guest on our local Limbaugh's radio show yesterday. He seems serious.

Is this a good thing?

For a blue state like NY, I guess Trump is the best that one could hope for.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 11:48 AM (7ObY1)


Anything that makes Cuomo's life difficult is a good thing, and the Donald has money for a run just out of vanity.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2014 07:49 AM (RD7QR)

99 Comprehensive immigration reform of the type Ryan outlined remains popular with the country as a whole and among Republicans.

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I guess that's why it's ranked 16 out of 20 in the list of priorities for all Americans. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 31, 2014 07:50 AM (Oa7B2)

100 The GOP: 1. Offer less free shit than the Donks 2. ??? 3. Electoral profit!!!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 07:50 AM (fT3qO)

101 Just the tip, wingnuts.

Promise.

Posted by: Paul Ryan at January 31, 2014 07:50 AM (9hu1I)

102 85 "Cut off all welfare and public assitance to illegals"
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:43 AM (T2V/1)

Sorry Vic. Most illegals don't get the assistance. Their kids do. Their US born American citizen kids. This must be addressed. You come over here illegally and bear a child, the child should not be a US citizen.

I do agree with going after the employer though.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 11:46 AM (gHDMy)



You have to get rid of the stupid "birthright" citizenship which is not supported by law to begin with. I would change the law to REQUIRE that for a child to be considered an American citizen that at least one parent is a citizen at the time of birth.



And I would cut off all aid to the illegal children.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 31, 2014 07:50 AM (T2V/1)

103 Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2014 11:48 AM (m2CN7) Rebut my points, polynikes. You're feigning ignorance is offensive.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (659DL)

104

For a blue state like NY, I guess Trump is the best that one could hope for.

 

Trump is an asshat.  He's not the better alternative over anyone, for anything.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (A0sHn)

105 Anything that makes Cuomo's life difficult is a good thing, and the Donald has money for a run just out of vanity. Trump will pull huge numbers in WNY, but the big question is, will it be enough? Palladino pulled huge numbers in WNY and still got trounced by Cuomo. NYC is too powerful. We in WNY need to secede.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (7ObY1)

106 Fresh blood and treasure on K Street always causes a feeding frenzy during an election year.  And those fcuking whores representing you are shameless about the nasty things they'll do to get a little taste sensation in their mouths.

Posted by: Fritz at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (UzPAd)

107 85. You come over here illegally and bear a child, the child should not be a US citizen. I disagree What does the constitution say in very clear language?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (027eb)

108 You don't have to jail them, although that threat should be there... there ARE other penalties available. Repatriation via a C-130 cargo ramp & chute.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (cUARf)

109 Your Dammit.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 07:51 AM (659DL)

110

My wife, being a legal immigrant from Scandi-country has a pretty critical view on this sort of lawlessness.  As do I, of course.

Posted by: Heralder at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (/Mxso)

111 I'm going to assume that the Repubs will also raise the minimum wage to $10.10, also.
Except, of course, for the newly legal non-citizens.

Think about it.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (ZALPg)

112 I find this whole thing frustrating because I quietly wait for my fiancee to find a decent job in your shitty economy, so that we can get married and I can immigrate through legal channels. So here's the double whammy, he'll have more trouble finding a job, (lets not forget that many of these people are getting to go to the same US colleges at the same price as legal residents on bursaries for low income students) and it will be harder for me to immigrate because your immigration laws aren't overly friendly to people who already speak english as a first language.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (OPg+h)

113 "Comprehensive immigration reform of the type Ryan outlined remains popular with the country as a whole and among Republicans." If I were into drugs, I'd want a hit of what she's having.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (fT3qO)

114 Tami, don't read into Vic's comment.  He's an old soul who knew Joffen was in trouble and figured it would probably happen sooner or later.  We say similar stuff in the ER all the time about the patients who come in with pscyh issues or suicide attempts time after time.  Sooner or later, they will succeed if they want to.  It doesn't make it not a tragedy, but we are resigned to the fact that it will happen.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (sQ0LB)

115 Listen I understand and don't disagree with the anger but this never voting or voting for the Democrat is emotional crap. Its only logical if you really do want to expedite the destruction of the country. I can see that. May not agree but I understand the logic. Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2014 11:48 AM ...........I will vote for an actual conservative. But my days of pulling the lever based on an (R) after their name because they weren't as bad as the (D) are over. I won't vote for a D, because it will hasten the decline of America. I do not wish that. I will not however be party to continually rewarding bad behavior and outright being lied to.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (/o+xv)

116 If you do a websearch of how Mexico treats illegal aliens you will be surprised. We should do the same.

Posted by: backhoe at January 31, 2014 07:52 AM (ULH4o)

117 Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:50 AM (T2V/1)

Well said.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 07:53 AM (gHDMy)

118 Rebut my points, polynikes. You're feigning ignorance is offensive.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 11:51 AM (659DL)

 

Rebut what points?  If I offend you,  feel free not to read my posts.

Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2014 07:53 AM (m2CN7)

119 I don't even know what to say about Joffen.  My softball teammate killed himself in November, with 2 little girls left behind.  I don't even know how to react, except to be pissed off at the world.

Prayers on the way.  I hope they help.

Posted by: grognard at January 31, 2014 07:53 AM (/29Nl)

120 107  I disagree
What does the constitution say in very clear language?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 31, 2014 11:51 AM (027eb)



It doesn't say a damn thing.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 31, 2014 07:53 AM (T2V/1)

121 Repatriation via a C-130 cargo ramp & chute. ?Como sed dice ' For The Syndicate' en Espanol?

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 07:53 AM (vNUsr)

122

>>You had an ideal situation; how did you fuck that up?

 

Long story short, we spent three days fighting over thank you cards for Christmas, followed by her demanding an engagement ring, followed by her telling me to come to her place so she could stab me.

 

I politely declined.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (WDCYi)

123 Anything that makes Cuomo's life difficult is a good thing, and the Donald has money for a run just out of vanity.

Trump will pull huge numbers in WNY, but the big question is, will it be enough?

Palladino pulled huge numbers in WNY and still got trounced by Cuomo.

NYC is too powerful. We in WNY need to secede.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 11:51 AM (7ObY1)



Plus it keeps him away from any thoughts of running for President.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (CXCID)

124 But sure, keep telling me why it's terrible I won't blindly vote for anyone with an "R" after their name. Rest assured there's no shortage of people that will do just that.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (itCai)

125 Absolutely every GOP clown up for re-election this year needs to be primaried. Every. Single. One.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (Lljg2)

126 What does the constitution say in very clear language?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at January 31, 2014 11:51 AM

Nothing.

Because the Constitution does not explain the meaning of "natural born".

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (sbV1u)

127 @botticellicream It's a one-page statement of principles put forward for the express purpose of prompting discussion. Unwad your panties. That's the problem: while the DC Power Elite Rangers have been doing nothing but talk about immigration reform, our country has been invaded. I need to face the truth that I have no one in Washington to represent me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (0HooB)

128 The R after their name is a lot less important than conservative being in their principles.

Posted by: davem at January 31, 2014 07:54 AM (wmzCM)

129 I think the first time Joffen started talking about suicide was the night or the night after I got word that my little sister had attempted suicide. This morning I get a call from her to tell me that she forgot to take her meds this morning, and could I drop them off for her, and ten minutes later I get the new that Joffen is dead. Odd.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 31, 2014 07:55 AM (EZbb9)

130 I'm all for Texas seceeding, but first ensure all the leftist filth in Austin are deported to Mexico, first.

Posted by: MtTB at January 31, 2014 07:55 AM (lQCe+)

131 Trump is an asshat. He's not the better alternative over anyone, for anything. Well, Cuomo just ordered me and all conservatives out of our own state. Trump wouldn't do that. So, there's that.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 07:55 AM (7ObY1)

132 Excellent post, Drew.  Thanks.

Posted by: flounder at January 31, 2014 07:55 AM (Kkt/i)

133 Not only am I not going to blindly vote for the GOP candidate I am purposefully going to vote against them. Last time this issue came up I changed from R to Independent but I still voted for the GOP. No longer.

Posted by: BuckIV at January 31, 2014 07:55 AM (CLfqv)

134 You come over here illegally and bear a child, the child should not be a US citizen. I disagree What does the constitution say in very clear language? Sorry. The kid is illegal due to the parents' status. If the parents were here legally at the time, ok. But if they are illegal, all acts that flow from them are illegal.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 07:56 AM (cUARf)

135 128 The R after their name is a lot less important than conservative being in their principles.
Posted by: davem at January 31, 2014 11:54 AM (wmzCM)

Which is how we (here in Colorado) ended up with Mark Udall.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 07:56 AM (ZALPg)

136 Long story short, we spent three days fighting over thank you cards for Christmas, followed by her demanding an engagement ring, followed by her telling me to come to her place so she could stab me.

I politely declined.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 11:54 AM (WDCYi)



Sounds like Balkan foreplay imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2014 07:56 AM (CXCID)

137 Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2014 11:48 AM (m2CN7) The Two Party system is broken. 1/3 of the Electorate self identifies as Independent. Yet you say that the 1/3rds ONLY choice is to support the Repubs who have consistently betrayed them in the past... because they are not as bad as the other guy.... Yet, if enough people make the choice to NOT support the Two Parties... there is a Power vacuum... which WILL be filled.... But until enough people make that choice.... until enough people say they will no longer support the Repubs... the Legal advantages the TWO parties wrote into the election laws for themselves, will continue the two party momentum which (IMO), is destroying this country. Dems want power so they can give advantages to groups, who then support them with money and votes.... Repubs seem to want power so they can give crony advantages to people, who then support them with money, so they can stay in power... Some of us have decided to no longer support this Kabuki theatre...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 07:56 AM (84gbM)

138 After a few weeks of that they will go back where they come from or starve.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:43 AM (T2V/1)

There has to be a sliding scale based on revenue of the company.

So when ADM gets popped they should pay $100,000/wetback/day.

When the mom and pop restaurant on the corner gets popped, they should pay $1,000/wetback/day.

And as you said the CEO should be held responsible.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 07:56 AM (QFxY5)

139

Boner talks fucked up, and his shit's all retarded. Glad I'm not a member of HIS party.

 

Sorry to anybody that knew this Joffen guy. My condolences, for whatever the hell that's worth.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 31, 2014 07:57 AM (RKJF2)

140 shredded chi and cthulhu, DO NOT go down the road of blaming yourself, and it is common. And DON'T hate him. Some are just broken, and nothing you can do seems to help.

Posted by: ExSnipe at January 31, 2014 07:57 AM (LKJt3)

141 I just get the idea this is going to die a slow, painful death like the gun control legislation and the first immigration attempt did. 

I can't say I'm surprised by the GOP House leadership here, but they've been defeated before by the more conservative wing of the party.  No reason it can't happen here.

Posted by: frode at January 31, 2014 07:57 AM (8z3Pa)

142 we spent three days fighting over thank you cards for Christmas, followed by her demanding an engagement ring, followed by her telling me to come to her place so she could stab me. I love it when Michele stabs me.

Posted by: Barackhenaten I at January 31, 2014 07:57 AM (vNUsr)

143 We've won the Obama vote! Nothing can stop us now!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2014 07:57 AM (ee9LE)

144 RIP Joffen.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at January 31, 2014 07:58 AM (09o/X)

145

followed by her telling me to come to her place so she could stab me.

I politely declined.

 

So, the sex wasn't that good. 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 31, 2014 07:58 AM (A0sHn)

146 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 11:56 AM ......OK. Can you please not use that term "wetback". It really is not helpful. Just sayin.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 07:58 AM (/o+xv)

147 In defense of Albanians, I had one that worked for me a couple of years ago that was the best employee I ever had. When I had to shut down, I helped him draft up a resume and called ahead to the place I thought would be the best opportunity for him to give a personal endorsement. They were lucky to have him.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 07:58 AM (fT3qO)

148 I politely declined.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 11:54 AM (WDCYi)

Well, if you had survived the stabbing, the makeup sex would have been awesome!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 07:58 AM (QFxY5)

149 I emailed Ace about Joffen and included the link to shredded chi's email. Gotta run errands now but I'll be praying.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2014 07:59 AM (SUKHu)

150 Until the base makes it clear to the GOP leadership that it won't turn out for a Dem lite just because he has an (R) after his name, nothing will change.  In the meantime, damage will have to be done.  There's no way around it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 31, 2014 07:59 AM (9hu1I)

151 "And are you prepared to admit or at least address that the vast majority of your fellow Americans are not going to see those 4 options as acceptable ? Does it even matter ?" Nope. The consequences of "admitting" that 5% of the population can successfully rebel against federal and state laws, to me, is worse than forcibly grabbing that 5% and putting them in concentration camps. Especially since that 5% are foreigners demanding extralegal privileges.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 31, 2014 07:59 AM (5xmd7)

152 Sorry. The kid is illegal due to the parents' status. If the parents were here legally at the time, ok. But if they are illegal, all acts that flow from them are illegal. Posted by: rickb223 -------------------------- That. A receiver of stolen goods (however 'legitimately' they receive the goods) is not entitled to them.

Posted by: █ Mike Hammer at January 31, 2014 07:59 AM (aDwsi)

153 She also openly rooted for the Red Wings in the 08 Finals so I would shave my playoff beard.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 07:59 AM (WDCYi)

154 Rebut what points? If I offend you, feel free not to read my posts. Immigration legislation that grants amnesty--in whatever form or name--is bad for the country. End of statement...you can read above for the other specifics. There is nothing emotional about saying that if this is a Republican idea, it is still a bad idea. This will be the end of America as an economic and military power. We'll collapse under the weight of the entitlement wave and then we'll drown in the second of wave of illegals that will be drawn here through this perverse incentive. This is not the ninetenth century--there is no internal frontier. This is not industrial America with long-term linear growth in the need for manual labor. Quit pretending that either apply.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 07:59 AM (659DL)

155 Well, this is fucked up. I'm sorry you felt so helpless, Joffin. When I read that this morning that you were suicidal last night, I checked the thread and the comments you made were upbeat. Apparently, you emailed that you were about to kill yourself. You should have given us a chance, Joffin.

Posted by: Judge Pug at January 31, 2014 08:00 AM (E4MKN)

156 "And to add insult to injury, not only will Republicans spend time not helping these people, they will be working to make sure people who came here illegally can now compete with them for their jobs , schools, and our healthcare resources."

Drew, think you missed a few points!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2014 08:00 AM (o3MSL)

157 It's not just amnesty, its even ObamaCare where GOP officials go squishy. Here's John Kasich, for example, saying he thinks Republicans hate poor people: http://read.bi/MmOMTw Bite me, John.

Posted by: MTF at January 31, 2014 08:01 AM (F58x4)

158 She also openly rooted for the Red Wings in the 08 Finals so I would shave my playoff beard. At times like that it's best to just rent the wood chipper and get it over with.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 08:01 AM (vNUsr)

159 That. A receiver of stolen goods (however 'legitimately' they receive the goods) is not entitled to them. Happens to pawn shops all the time.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:02 AM (cUARf)

160 "And to add insult to injury, not only will Republicans spend time not helping these people, they will be working to make sure people who came here illegally can now compete with them for their jobs , schools, and our healthcare resources."

I'm also sure we'll all enjoy the national surge in tuberculosis cases.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:02 AM (sbV1u)

161 put forward for the express purpose of prompting discussion.

They've been told Hell No multiple times already.  It's time to reach out and smack someone.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 31, 2014 08:02 AM (DL2i+)

162 At times like that it's best to just rent the wood chipper and get it over with. Not as definitive a result as one would think according to the morning dump.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 08:02 AM (659DL)

163 waitaminute, just reading the ONT thread...Joffen was my homie? He lived in Niagara County? That's where I live.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 08:03 AM (7ObY1)

164 "A Pollo in every pot and an Orange Vendor on every corner."

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 08:03 AM (vNUsr)

165 Bite me, John.

Posted by: MTF at January 31, 2014 12:01 PM (F58x4)



Kasich has quickly morphed from a decent governor to the reincarnation of Voinovich.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2014 08:03 AM (CXCID)

166 153 She also openly rooted for the Red Wings in the 08 Finals so I would shave my playoff beard. Posted by: LibertarianJim at January 31, 2014 11:59 AM ---- This is clearly a bigger problem than trying to stab you. Gotta respect the playoff beard.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at January 31, 2014 08:03 AM (OPg+h)

167 Well hell, the Repukes need them some illegals so they too can form a team that loves them some Obamacare.   ...of course they are too stupid to know their imported voters will defect to the true FSA party.

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2014 08:03 AM (nsOJa)

168 And I would cut off all aid to the illegal children.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2014 11:50 AM (T2V/1)


Sounds like you are "heartless" to me.

Posted by: Ricky Perry at January 31, 2014 08:04 AM (o3MSL)

169 160 "And to add insult to injury, not only will Republicans spend time not helping these people, they will be working to make sure people who came here illegally can now compete with them for their jobs , schools, and our healthcare resources."

I'm also sure we'll all enjoy the national surge in tuberculosis cases.
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Hi, everyone!!!!

Posted by: 17+ trillion in debt at January 31, 2014 08:04 AM (XyoGP)

170 Republican statement of principles: there is nothing so degrading we won't do it if the price is right. Ironically that is also the statement of principles of Latrina, the two dollar crack whore.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2014 08:04 AM (ee9LE)

171 And to add insult to injury, not only will Republicans spend time not
helping these people, they will be working to make sure people who came
here illegally can now compete with them for their jobs , schools, and our healthcare resources."

Drew, think you missed a few points!


No worries.  They'll be a huge boom in new doctors when Obamacare medicare reimbursement reductions take effect.  Because of how lucrative the medical field will be.  Because supply and demand and stuff.  Because..

Oh, fuck it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 31, 2014 08:04 AM (9hu1I)

172 “I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor,” he [Kasich] told the Times' Trip Gabriel. “That if you’re poor, somehow you’re shiftless and lazy.”

Gee, maybe people think that because of the decades of research that proves exactly that.


Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:04 AM (sbV1u)

173 Reminder: the first thing out of the gutless fuck Boehners mouth after the 2012 election was to push for amnesty. If you don't think he'll bring it up for a vote you're a sucker.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 31, 2014 08:04 AM (8y1vs)

174 It's too bad we can't get the original meaning of the 14th Amendment back, the part that says, "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." If that phrase hadn't been conveniently dismissed by SCOTUS in their last misreading, I doubt we'd be in the current mess we're in. How wonderful to know exactly whose side our alleged "representatives" are on, and it damn sure ain't ours.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:05 AM (0HooB)

175 I'm also sure we'll all enjoy the national surge in tuberculosis cases.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2014 12:02 PM (sbV1u)

 

It's not like I was using that extra lung tissue anyway.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 31, 2014 08:05 AM (DrWcr)

176 It really is not helpful. Just sayin.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 11:58 AM (/o+xv)

Why?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 08:05 AM (QFxY5)

177 waitaminute, just reading the ONT thread...Joffen was my homie? He lived in Niagara County? That's where I live. Yeah. Didn't dawn on me until the end of the last thread that Joffen was one of ours. RIP Joffen.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:05 AM (cUARf)

178 Gee, maybe people think that because of the decades of research that proves exactly that.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 31, 2014 12:04 PM (sbV1u)

My parents were dirt poor.  Was it their fault?

Yup.

Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 08:05 AM (x3YFz)

179

Yeah, stop saying "wetback". It's offensive and inaccurate.

 

Call them "border waltzers" or something. They don't need to swim the Rio Grande anymore.

Posted by: Biffo Boffo at January 31, 2014 08:06 AM (YmPwQ)

180 GOP

RIP

1854 - 2014

Everybody knows you never go full retard.
- Kirk Lazarus

Posted by: flounder at January 31, 2014 08:06 AM (Kkt/i)

181 For 18 months my wife and I have jumped through hoops paid fees filled and submitted paperwork over and over to allow her to come to the US and live with me.  Why should people who break the rules be rewarded?  My wife and I are still waiting and will be waiting for at least a few more months till i can see her in person again.  Since we are law abiding people we will wait and be punished. 

Posted by: Scott at January 31, 2014 08:06 AM (GXgDe)

182 Call them "border waltzers" or something. They don't need to swim the Rio Grande anymore. Posted by: Biffo Boffo at January 31, 2014 12:06 PM (YmPwQ) Coyote Kiddies?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 08:07 AM (84gbM)

183 Sounds like we are down to two groups. Those who resist, and those with Stockholm syndrome/normalcy bias. I'm in the "moving way up into the mountains was a good first step" group.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 08:07 AM (1Y+hH)

184 You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute,... Why do some people always bring this stupid argument up? It doesn't have to be done all at once, as appealing as that may sound. Close off all the avenues to evade detection, it'll just be a matter of time before they're found, and that's when they pay the piper.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 08:07 AM (itCai)

185 My parents were dirt poor. Was it their fault?  Yup.  Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 12:05 PM (x3YFz)

Mine too.

90% of people who are poor are poor because they consistently make shitty decisions.  10% are "transient poor" who had a setback, but will be back where they started within 5 years.

Can't figure out why all the "smart" people in DC can't figure this out.


Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:08 AM (sbV1u)

186

"Uninvited guests"? Nah, too judgemental.

 

"Parasites"? Accurate, but again, judgemental.

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Biffo Boffo at January 31, 2014 08:08 AM (YmPwQ)

187
Yeah. Didn't dawn on me until the end of the last thread that Joffen was one of ours. RIP Joffen.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 12:05 PM (cUARf)

I hate to admit I didn't know the guy.  But, it's tragic.  I read the threads where he had been threatening to kill himself.  Man, I've seen this movie and it's horrible.

Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 08:08 AM (x3YFz)

188 Not voting R or not voting is emotional? No, emotional is voting a particular way to achieve a particular outcome despite all empirical evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 08:08 AM (fT3qO)

189

Obamacare:  A fire consuming every Democrat that touched it.

Amnesty:   A fire-fighting hose.



Stupid stupid stupid STUPID Republicans.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2014 08:08 AM (nELVU)

190 I'm in the "moving way up into the mountains was a good first step" group.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 12:07 PM (1Y+hH)


I am now realizing that I screwed up royally when I passed on buying that farm in the Blue Ridge.  Good line of sight and everything!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (o3MSL)

191 Yeah. Didn't dawn on me until the end of the last thread that Joffen was one of ours. RIP Joffen. Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 12:05 PM (cUARf) I had no idea. Now I wish I had known him personally. Maybe I could have met with him and done something to help. I think we need to form a WNY moron meetup.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (7ObY1)

192 You should have given us a chance, Joffin. That's the sad part, we'd talked him down a few times before. Whatever was going wrong in his life, it must've gotten the better of him, like it did my Dad before I was born. Suicide sucks.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (0HooB)

193 Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 11:58 AM (/o+xv) Why? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 12:05 PM .Because we constantly have to battle the left's "you hate illegals cuz you're racist" b.s. Why give them any ammo? Do what you want I am not the language police. But I just don't think it helps our argument.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (/o+xv)

194 Coyote Kiddies? Free range wanderers?

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (ee9LE)

195 Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 12:07 PM (itCai) Yep. That and going after the Cities and States that harbor them. Last time I checked, Nullification was still unconstitutional.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (vNUsr)

196 The truly bad thing about owning a smartphone is that you are much more likely to utter the words "mother ckufer" before you cover get out of bed in the morning.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (DmNpO)

197 Yeah, stop saying "wetback". It's offensive and inaccurate. "Mojado" suffices.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (itCai)

198
I'm in the "moving way up into the mountains was a good first step" group.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 12:07 PM (1Y+hH)

We're turtling up.  Wont post the details; it's not "prepper" stuff, but just making sure we are as self-sufficient as possible.

Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (x3YFz)

199

“I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor,” he [Kasich] told the Times' Trip Gabriel. “That if you’re poor, somehow you’re shiftless and lazy.”

I'm concerned about the fact the federal government incentivizes those that are poor to become shiftless and lazy.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 08:09 AM (gHDMy)

200 My Central American friends, you have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: Juan McLame at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (Pr6hk)

201 You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute,...

-----

Some merit to that argument.


But you dont have to make them full throated voting citizens either.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (nELVU)

202 what's overlooked is the H1B visa. The path to higher pay is earning a degree and getting a job that is in high demand. We close those jobs off to people in our country when we fill those opportunities from overseas.

Posted by: MikeH at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (cYaNh)

203 "You can't put them all in jail, you can't deport them all either by force or by statute,..."

Somebody tell the IRS that since they can't prosecute EVERY tax cheat that they should prosecute NO tax cheats. Because that is certainly NOT the way they roll.

No, they find one sorry son of a bitch, prosecute him (or her) and publicize the crap out of it and then the rest of us all fall in to line.

Posted by: navybrat at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (AW7Gr)

204 Oops barrel.

Guess that means I need to get to work.

I shall return if permitted.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (gHDMy)

205 annnnd barrel

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (sbV1u)

206 The thing, so far as this is directly about the Hispanic vote, it's stupid. That's a factor in CO and NV (and FL but that's a little different,) not any of the Midwest states the GOP has lost.

Posted by: Jerec at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (O/BQ5)

207

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 12:09 PM (gHDMy)

 

Barrel.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 31, 2014 08:10 AM (DrWcr)

208 Golfer..., paging Golfer

Posted by: The Barrel at January 31, 2014 08:11 AM (aDwsi)

209

♫ Roll out the Barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun ♫

Posted by: Bobby Vinton at January 31, 2014 08:11 AM (Pr6hk)

210 Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 12:09 PM (gHDMy)


Barrel Stat!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2014 08:11 AM (o3MSL)

211 I think the demise of the American dream can be directly related to the attack on the semi-colon. 

//shakes head in despair

Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 08:11 AM (x3YFz)

212 What % of illegals simply overstayed their visas? Over-stayers isn't very catchy as a name. Didn't Obama's various illegal relatives just do that? Come here as a student or tourist and just ... never go home.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 31, 2014 08:11 AM (ZPrif)

213 RIP Joffen.  I was around on the thread where he first threatened and Gabe called him and talked him down, I had hoped he'd gotten the help he needed after that.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 31, 2014 08:11 AM (B/VB5)

214 Welcome, Golfman, to degradation and shame.

In short, me!

Posted by: The Barrel at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (4WhSY)

215 Guess that means I need to get to work.  I shall return if permitted.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at January 31, 2014 12:10 PM (gHDMy)

There's like 6 inches of some foul-smelling, tarry sludge in the corner.  Be a pal and clean that while you're in there?  kthxbai.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (sbV1u)

216 So the GOP likes eating the same paste Joe Biden eats.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (mETGQ)

217 It doesn't have to be done all at once, as appealing as that may sound. Close off all the avenues to evade detection, it'll just be a matter of time before they're found, and that's when they pay the piper. Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 12:07 PM .......Fine the ever loving shit out of the employers that hire them and the problem will go away on it's own. Simple solution to a large problem.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (/o+xv)

218 As much as I want to rage on the GOP right now, I'm just too bummed over Joffen. How very sad

Posted by: mugiwara at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (W7ffl)

219 Damn spellcheck

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (DmNpO)

220 I changed my registration to Independent today.

Sure, that means I don't get to vote in primaries.  As if there's a great selection.

Posted by: grognard at January 31, 2014 08:12 AM (/29Nl)

221 Why give them any ammo?

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 12:09 PM (/o+xv)

Well, they don't need any ammo to accuse us of racism. It's axiomatic.

But the term "wetback" is descriptive. The majority of the illegals in this country came across our Southern border, and many of them did in fact wade across the Rio Grande.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 08:13 AM (QFxY5)

222 Actually, I'm pleased that the GOP has stopped pretending. It makes it SO much easier to not vote for them.


Posted by: physics geek at January 31, 2014 08:13 AM (MT22W)

223 'Fence Jumpers'?

Posted by: █ Mike Hammer at January 31, 2014 08:13 AM (aDwsi)

224 Why the fug are we doing this?

Shits depressing.


Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2014 08:13 AM (NpXoL)

225 what's overlooked is the H1B visa. The path to higher pay is earning a degree and getting a job that is in high demand. We close those jobs off to people in our country when we fill those opportunities from overseas.

Posted by: MikeH at January 31, 2014 12:10 PM (cYaNh)


Legal citizens earning degrees and seeking high demand jobs will probably vote Republican or conservative so I don't see the downside here.

Posted by: Chuck Schroomer at January 31, 2014 08:13 AM (o3MSL)

226 Don't worry, Goldman. Maybe they have installed a DVD in the barrel so you can watch Finding Nemo.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2014 08:14 AM (ee9LE)

227 181 For 18 months my wife and I have jumped through hoops paid fees filled and submitted paperwork over and over to allow her to come to the US and live with me. Why should people who break the rules be rewarded? My wife and I are still waiting and will be waiting for at least a few more months till i can see her in person again. Since we are law abiding people we will wait and be punished. Posted by: Scott at January 31, 2014 12:06 PM (GXgDe) ----- ugh... can't for that. I hear stories like this all the time about people spending the first year (or more) of their marriage apart because they believe in the rule of law.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at January 31, 2014 08:14 AM (OPg+h)

228 Golfman, please report to the barrel.  Golfman, please report to the barrel.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at January 31, 2014 08:14 AM (sQ0LB)

229 "I am now realizing that I screwed up royally when I passed on buying that farm in the Blue Ridge. Good line of sight and everything!" 'Blue Ridge' sounds so cool I'm prone to agree without knowing any more about the place.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (1Y+hH)

230 Simple solution to a large problem.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 12:12 PM (/o+xv)

Exactly.

No other enforcement is necessary.

Knowingly hire an illegal: get fined so harshly that it threatens the existence of your business.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (QFxY5)

231
you can't deport them all either by force or by statute
Posted by: deadrody




"In 2011 22.67 million travelers visited Mexico."

So, one way tickets.

Next problem you want me to solve?


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (kdS6q)

232 Well, they don't need any ammo to accuse us of racism. It's axiomatic. But the term "wetback" is descriptive. The majority of the illegals in this country came across our Southern border, and many of them did in fact wade across the Rio Grande. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 12:13 PM ...Re the left, yes I know. Hearts and minds though. And yes I've been there many times and have witnessed them crossing. Again, not looking to start a flame war, just don't think it's helpful. Illegal works for me but whatever melts your butter.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (/o+xv)

233 There is a special barrell exemption for IEx users who edit in MSword/office/something. In fact, we should all do it once. Either for the day, or one post dedicated to understanding how all the extra formatting is carried over to be included as pixy posts it.

It would be like immigration reform, or Obama's selective enforcement. Everybody adopt Microsoft for the day, day. and post, and post

Who's with me!

Posted by: Jay J. Kinder at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (ivs+L)

234 'Blue Ridge' sounds so cool I'm prone to agree without knowing any more about the place. Posted by: Meremortal ----------------- Yeah. That's what they used to say about Ruby Ridge

Posted by: █ Mike Hammer at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (aDwsi)

235 Shoot Fahr- I'm poor again-- trying to survive off my wife's "death benefits." No jobs on the GA coast, thanks to the JEF. It's no big deal. I've done this several times. You get by....

Posted by: backhoe at January 31, 2014 08:15 AM (ULH4o)

236 Don't worry, Goldman. Maybe they have installed a DVD in the barrel so you can watch Finding Nemo.

Screen is mounted opposite from the hole, so you can watch while you "work."

Posted by: The Barrel at January 31, 2014 08:16 AM (4WhSY)

237 Why do some people always bring this stupid argument up? It doesn't have to be done all at once, as appealing as that may sound. Close off all the avenues to evade detection, it'll just be a matter of time before they're found, and that's when they pay the piper. No different than having a warrant out on you. Watch Cops on TV. 1/4 to 1/2 go to jail for having outstanding warrants.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:16 AM (cUARf)

238 Knowingly hire an illegal: get fined so harshly that it threatens the existence of your business.  Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 12:15 PM (QFxY5)

That's nice, but I'd really rather have anti-personnel mine fields and pre-plotted artillery along the border.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:16 AM (sbV1u)

239 We're turtling up. Wont post the details; it's not "prepper" stuff, but just making sure we are as self-sufficient as possible. Same here. But I do consider it "prepper stuff" since it involves being prepared. It's the reason I spent 10 days last year living in the desert out of one backpack. Testing the skills and learning. Doing a similar thing this summer.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 08:17 AM (7ObY1)

240 But we have a virtual fence. You know, like an imaginary friend.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2014 08:17 AM (ee9LE)

241 Screen is mounted opposite from the hole, so you can watch while you "work."

Posted by: The Barrel at January 31, 2014 12:16 PM (4WhSY)


------


Obscure true fact.


The hole in the side of the barrel is called a "bung hole".

Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2014 08:17 AM (nELVU)

242 "...not looking to start a flame war, just don't think it's helpful. Illegal works for me but whatever melts your butter."

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 12:15 PM (/o+xv)

Nor am I.

You answered my question and elaborated politely. No flame is necessary.

Cheers!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 08:18 AM (QFxY5)

243 What did you do for water for ten days? Haul it in, purify found water, both?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2014 08:18 AM (ZshNr)

244 Obscure true fact.
The hole in the side of the barrel is called a "bung hole".

Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2014 12:17 PM (nELVU)

 

Heh heh.  Bunghole.  Heh heh heh.

Posted by: Beavis at January 31, 2014 08:18 AM (DrWcr)

245 Next problem you want me to solve? I've always wondered who put the 'Ram' in the 'ram a alm a ding dong'.

Posted by: Barry Mann at January 31, 2014 08:18 AM (vNUsr)

246 That's the sad part, we'd talked him down a few times before. And here I was only minutes away from him in real life. I would have dropped anything and everything to try and help him. Damn.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 08:18 AM (7ObY1)

247 Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2014 12:17 PM (nELVU)

And the large cork that plugs it is called a "bung."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 08:19 AM (QFxY5)

248 What did you do for water for ten days? Haul it in, purify found water, both?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2014 12:18 PM (ZshNr)

 

Stillsuit.

Posted by: Paul Atreides at January 31, 2014 08:19 AM (DrWcr)

249 No other enforcement is necessary. Knowingly hire an illegal: get fined so harshly that it threatens the existence of your business. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 12:15 PM .Yep. We don't need to spend zillions on other methods. No Jobie, No Comey. And when we hear the b.s. that they won't do the work we do is crap. They raided a meat packing plant in southern MN and arrested 30 plus illegals. The next day they had over 200 applicants that were citizens apply for their jobs.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:19 AM (/o+xv)

250

Obamacare is not the hill to fight on.

Posted by: Mitch The Bitch McConnell at January 31, 2014 08:19 AM (Pr6hk)

251 Obscure true fact.
The hole in the side of the barrel is called a "bung hole".

True, and the person on the inside is called a "squealer."

Posted by: The Barrel at January 31, 2014 08:19 AM (4WhSY)

252 Obscure true fact.
The hole in the side of the barrel is called a "bung hole".

Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2014 12:17 PM (nELVU)

More obscure facts....

Tattoo originated during the Thirty Years War, 1618-1648, and in German was called "Zapfenstreich." At 9:00 P.M., as the call was sounded, all bungs (zapfen) had to be replaced in their barrels, signifying the end of nightly drinking. The provost guard then drew a chalk line (streich) across the bung so that it could not be reopened without evidence of tampering. Tattoo is the longest U.S. Army call, consisting of twenty- eight measures. The first eight are from the French call "Extinction de Feux" and the last twenty measures are from the British "First Post" - in turn adapted from an old Neapolitan Cavalry call "Il Silencio".

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:20 AM (sbV1u)

253 .......Fine the ever loving shit out of the employers that hire them and the problem will go away on it's own. Somewhat. For all of the notions about self-deportation, I don't believe for one minute that a huge exodus would materialize if all the necessary measures were enacted tomorrow. The ones that don't return of their own volition will hang on, try to stay out of sight, and count on sympathizers to keep them going while attempts are made to change people's minds, via legislation or appeals to emotion.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 08:20 AM (itCai)

254 That's nice, but I'd really rather have anti-personnel mine fields and pre-plotted artillery along the border. And a moat with alligators in it, backed up by another fence with attack dogs. If they manage to get past that, there should be a 4-WD paddy wagon ready to take them right back across the border after taking their pictures, DNA and fingerprints. We can stop this invasion if we wanted to. And we want to, it's just that we have dishonest "representatives" who'll sell their grandmothers' soul for enough campaign cash.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:20 AM (0HooB)

255 We're turtling up. Wont post the details; it's not "prepper" stuff, but just making sure we are as self-sufficient as possible. Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 12:09 PM (x3YFz) Yes, done some of that too, and have bugout #2 ready for occupancy too.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 08:20 AM (1Y+hH)

256 Only an Inside-the-Beltway Republican would turn back 15 feet from the end of the pipe.

Posted by: Andy Dufresne at January 31, 2014 08:20 AM (Pr6hk)

257 'Fence Jumpers'? Posted by: Mike Hammer Maybe. If we had an actual fence.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:20 AM (cUARf)

258 Sad thing about Joffen, Was he the guy in California that was having issues?


Posted by: dananjcon at January 31, 2014 08:21 AM (NpXoL)

259 Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 12:20 PM (itCai)

Excellent point. But there will be a significant exodus. More than today!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 31, 2014 08:21 AM (QFxY5)

260 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 12:17 PM (7ObY1) Just admit you went to/are going to Burning Man and get it over with.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2014 08:22 AM (fT3qO)

261 Border Jumpers?

Posted by: █ Mike Hammer at January 31, 2014 08:22 AM (aDwsi)

262 Immigration... yeah, more crease makers...

Posted by: David Brooks at January 31, 2014 08:22 AM (Pr6hk)

263 248 That's the sad part, we'd talked him down a few times before.
And here I was only minutes away from him in real life. I would have dropped anything and everything to try and help him.
Damn.
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 12:18 PM (7ObY1)

Having had 2 friends over the last 65 years that committed suicide, that's the commonality.

Eventually, they have to help themselves.
Otherwise, the remainder of several lives are a living nightmare.

God rest his soul.

Posted by: jwb7605 [/i][/u][/s][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:22 AM (ZALPg)

264 We close those jobs off to people in our country when we fill those opportunities from overseas. Posted by: MikeH at January 31, 2014 12:10 PM (cYaNh) Yup... I know a lot of Programing shops where there is not a single White person working there. Where, as they do business with overseas programmers... they actually use speaking a certain foreign language as a hiring criteria.... LEGALLY... In 1997, when I retired from the Navy, Microsoft Engineers (MCSE) average salary was $67K.... 19 years later, it is $61K... now add in inflation? inflation calculator says that 67K should now be $99K (in buying power). Now I'm not saying this is all due to the influx of foreign workers.... but part of it is... and this is exactly why Major Companies, like.... Microsoft... back Immigration.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 08:22 AM (84gbM)

265 Fine the ever loving shit out of the employers that hire them and the problem will go away on it's own. Somewhat. For all of the notions about self-deportation, I don't believe for one minute that a huge exodus would materialize if all the necessary measures were enacted tomorrow. The ones that don't return of their own volition will hang on, try to stay out of sight, and count on sympathizers to keep them going while attempts are made to change people's minds, via legislation or appeals to emotion. Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 12:20 PM ..............Possible but the majority would leave with no jobs. Most actually don't want to be here and are only here because of the jobs. If they go away most would go home to the rest of their families.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:23 AM (/o+xv)

266 the Legal advantages the TWO parties wrote into the election laws for themselves, will continue the two party momentum

The advantages cement what would happen anyway in our winner take all little d democracy.  1st past the post marginalizes 3rd place very quickly.  Unfortunately the vector sum of our 2 statist parties is tada, more statism.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 31, 2014 08:23 AM (DL2i+)

267 That's nice, but I'd really rather have anti-personnel mine fields and pre-plotted artillery along the border. Out of work rednecks. $25 an ear bounty. You supply your own ammo & grub.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:23 AM (cUARf)

268 Nominate black dudes who sound exactly the same as our white dudes. Pass something the Dems have wanted the past four years. We still aren't gaining in the minority vote? The deuce you say

Posted by: GOP at January 31, 2014 08:24 AM (O/BQ5)

269 Sad to hear about Joffen, I always hoped that he would find the help he needed

No matter how bummed we here get about the state of the world, I hope the rest of us do our best to endure it

Posted by: kbdabear at January 31, 2014 08:25 AM (aTXUx)

270 Out of work rednecks. $25 an ear bounty. You supply your own ammo & grub.  Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 12:23 PM (cUARf)


Your policy recommendations intrigue me.  Perchance do you publish a newsletter?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:25 AM (sbV1u)

271 Why is Ace not using his blog as a platform to boost John Boehner's primary challenger, J.D. Winteregg?

Are we serious about stopping amnesty or not?

Ace and the Cobs have a voice. Use it already. I'm tired of y'all just complaining.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 31, 2014 08:25 AM (IEW9V)

272 ...for IEx users... The only time I use that cursed browser is to check if a seemingly non-functional website was designed to use only IE (and then I high-tail it out of there, never to return).

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 08:25 AM (itCai)

273 CARLSTADT — A large police presence has been called to the Homewood Inn Suites on Washington Avenue. Bergen County Hazmat along with police and fire departments are at the Homewood Suites Hilton in East Rutherford Route 17 southbound on a hazardous material call. The hotel is very close to Met Life Stadium where the Denver Broncos take on the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday in the Super Bowl. A hazardous materials team is among the response to the hotel. The type of substance they are responding to is not known. Well to be honest I've left some "packages" in a hotel room that might require that response. Just saying

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2014 08:26 AM (t3UFN)

274 275 aimless complaining is kind of Droom's style I gather

Posted by: Jerec at January 31, 2014 08:26 AM (O/BQ5)

275 $25 an ear bounty. California's Central Valley would be a gold mine.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 08:26 AM (itCai)

276 Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 12:22 PM ...........Allot of it is. Same with other industries. And that is the elephant in the room. Some people say, well so what they are only going to do the low paying jobs. What it does is actually reduce pay for others. Take roofing as a good example. I did roofing to pay for school. Yea it was a shit job but it paid pretty good and some guys supported their families that way. Then these guys started trucking in a shit load of illegals the pay went down with it. So blue collar and white collar jobs will all be effected. The DOP cares not because they are selling us all out for campaign $. Of course they're too fucking stupid to realize there won't be anyone to vote for them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:27 AM (/o+xv)

277 $25 an ear bounty. California's Central Valley would be a gold mine. So would all of Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:28 AM (cUARf)

278 Most actually don't want to be here and are only here because of the jobs. If they go away most would go home to the rest of their families. It certainly wouldn't hurt to test that theory...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 08:29 AM (itCai)

279 60,000 violent crimes a year in the US committed by illegals. The R's can be proud of the fact they will raise that number significantly.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 08:29 AM (1Y+hH)

280

204: "Oops barrel.

Guess that means I need to get to work.

I shall return if permitted."

 

If only cameltoe were to read this and learn how it's done...

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at January 31, 2014 08:29 AM (/qzu7)

281 Nood Ace up.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2014 08:29 AM (cUARf)

282 251 .Yep. We don't need to spend zillions on other methods. No Jobie, No Comey. And when we hear the b.s. that they won't do the work we do is crap. They raided a meat packing plant in southern MN and arrested 30 plus illegals. The next day they had over 200 applicants that were citizens apply for their jobs. Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 12:19 PM (/o+xv) ---- Also solves that little minimum wage issue. If companies need to increase wages to attract employees they end up paying more than the statutory minimum wage. If they have abundant access to labor while paying less they'll take it.

Posted by: Future Illegal Immigrant at January 31, 2014 08:29 AM (OPg+h)

283 Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 12:27 PM (/o+xv) Yeah... and then they wonder why average household income has been DROPPING... Why 93% of the new wealth created last year went to the top 1% of earners... ie... those who HIRE the illegals...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 08:30 AM (84gbM)

284 "Knowingly hire an illegal: get fined so harshly that it threatens the existence of your business. " Already on the books but sadly isn't enforced. And that's not just a partisan deal. In Riverside CA about 15 years ago, the owner of a major fencing manufacturer got hauled into federal court for regularly hiring illegal aliens. No question he was guilty, he admitted preferring the stability of familial illegal alien labor to American citizens who "just don't work out" (funny how outsiders in a nepotistic company 'just don't work out'). And the judge, a Reagan appointee named Moskowitz, said he just couldn't imagine Congress really meant to destroy his business over preferring to hire illegal aliens. So he convicted him and suspended sentence.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 31, 2014 08:30 AM (5xmd7)

285 Demaryius ThomasÂ’ Mom, Grandma Have To Root From Prison

Lovely.

Just.

Lovely.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 31, 2014 08:30 AM (sbV1u)

286 For all of the notions about self-deportation, I don't believe for one minute that a huge exodus would materialize if all the necessary measures were enacted tomorrow.

Statistically it's been true though - a lot of illegals have voluntarily gone back to Mexico since 2008 because their jobs dried up in TFG's economy.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 31, 2014 08:30 AM (B/VB5)

287 Most actually don't want to be here and are only here because of the jobs. If they go away most would go home to the rest of their families.

It certainly wouldn't hurt to test that theory...

After AZ passed the SB1070 immigration bill, the Mexican state of Sonora complained to AZ that they couldn't handle all of the people who had suddenly showed up and could AZ please repeal the law?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 31, 2014 08:30 AM (4WhSY)

288 Amnesty is the hill to die on. I don't care if we betray the base, go against the will of the Americans people, surrender on Obamacare, and destroy the party. Everyone gets a free pass.

Posted by: Johnny Boehner and the Minutemen at January 31, 2014 08:31 AM (ee9LE)

289 It certainly wouldn't hurt to test that theory... Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 12:29 .Exactly and it wouldn't cost allot of money to start new programs etc. You knock on the employers door and ask for verification. 1,000 min. per illegal to start (maybe higher amounts for bigger companies) 2nd offense is 25,000 per illegal and or jail time.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 31, 2014 08:31 AM (/o+xv)

290 Knowingly hire an illegal: get fined so harshly

It doesn't even have to be harsh, just more expensive than a legal hire for the value added.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at January 31, 2014 08:31 AM (DL2i+)

291 What did you do for water for ten days? Haul it in, purify found water, both? Posted by: Lincolntf at January 31, 2014 12:18 PM (ZshNr) Mountain stream. Used Aquamira tabs but probably didn't need 'em. That was clean, fresh water.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 08:32 AM (7ObY1)

292

The apologists for the current GOP leadership (sorry, but the term really does apply, and note the narrow targeting) have essentially become ignorant NPR coastal Democrats:  their premises are almost all entirely false, their conclusions do not follow even from those false premises, and they (inexplicably) seem to picture themselves as wise and detached statesmen and strategists, while anyone opposing the indefensible idiocy we are seeing are "emotional".

 

Last evening a very smart and good regular commenter here laid out some whoppers.  "This issue" has been "killing us" in "races all over the country".  Utter nonsense.  My connections to the campaign biz are extensive and I cannot recall a single winnable close race where anything to do with amnesty would have made a difference (other than a radically different position by a candidate, i.e. common sense anti-amnesty, producing a shocker, which is quite plausible in several border districts).  Moreover, the false and revealing allegation that anti-amnesty folks always "scream" their positions indicates more than a problem with false premises.

 

Jack illogically buttressed his position by citing his imaginary vindication on the govt. shutdown.  Summarized/corrected:  raising your profile of opposition to a wildly unpopular and surely disastrous national policy (O-care, govt. shutdown) just being launched was a mistake (no evidence whatsoever to confirm this, specific counter-evidence in VA gubernatorial exit polls) and diverted attention from the policy itself. 

 

Meanwhile, the GOP for no practical reason making weaselly noises favoring a wildly unpopular national policy (amnesty) instead of keeping the focus on O-care, all to achieve electoral objectives that are completely delusional, is nothing to worry about.  No, worse, these weaselly noises "take the issue off the table" for the Dems - when the issue is not even close to the table (Gallup 3% priority ranking a reasonable reflection of how obscure this "issue" is to most), and in any case has probably never/will never change any electoral outcomes (aside from gutting GOP enthusiasm, as we see continuing on this very page).

 

 

 

Posted by: non-purist at January 31, 2014 08:33 AM (afQnV)

293 No other enforcement is necessary.

Knowingly hire an illegal: get fined so harshly that it threatens the existence of your business.

Live in or near a major city, or even a mid-sized one?

Know the right guy working out of the back of the right local business and $150 (price varies) will get you a shiny new set of fake ID.  Most "undocumented" workers do in fact have documents- fake ones.

They might not be good enough to fool a cop or even a diligent bouncer, but they'll be good enough to allow an employer to claim that they didn't know their new employee was illegal.  After all, they photocopied the documents and stuffed the I-9 form in a filing cabinet as required by law.

There's no law requiring employers verify that they're legit documents.  Which is part of the problem.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2014 08:33 AM (SY2Kh)

294 “I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor,” he [Kasich] told the Times' Trip Gabriel. “That if you’re poor, somehow you’re shiftless and lazy.”

This stupid statement also neatly ignores the fact that the poor when they were still rural--before they were lured to the city to work under slave conditions in factories and sweatshops owned by the Dims who ran the big cities--the poor could feed themselves very adequately.  If you could grow a garden, chickens, some pigs, a steer to slaughter, and sustain a dairy cow, you ate far better than someone working for starvation wages in the big city.  In fact, Black parents and grandparents who were sharecroppers in the South were often the safety net for their children and grandchildren in the cities.   When times got tough in the city,  Blacks would pack up the kids and go South because there was always food on the table and canned food to take back with  them.  I grew up in NW Indiana outside of Chicago and my grandparents lived in Oklahoma.   Whenever we made the trip from Indiana to Oklahoma, we would see carload after carload of nice Black families on the road with us until St. Louis and then they would exit for the roads for Mississippi and Alabama.  In some neighborhoods in and around Chicago, year around there were as many Mississippi and Alabama license plates on cars as Illinois plates.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at January 31, 2014 08:34 AM (kXoT0)

295 " (Not as much as she hates Albanians, though that was never explained.)" All those ethnic groups hate each other, and they're weak, and they get occupied by a different foreign empire every other generation. And then some clique will form the Balkan Foreign Occupier Fanclub, and use imperial help to attempt a brutal genocidal war against the other teams. And they fail.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 31, 2014 08:35 AM (5xmd7)

296

There's your GOP. But sure, keep telling me why it's terrible I won't blindly vote for anyone with an "R" after their name.

I wont' tell you that.  I didn't vote for GHWB in 1992 because he raised taxes in 1990.

But don't tell us you're not throwing away your vote when you vote for a 3rd Party candidate, and the Democrat wins.  Don't tell us it's better to preserve your purity than to beat the Democrats.

Because every single Democrat in the Senate voted for ObamaCare.  And every single Republican voted against it.

Party labels matter.  Get over it.

Posted by: Greg Q at January 31, 2014 08:36 AM (4Pleu)

297 http://tinyurl.com/k8qcery In the desert, living out of a backpack and off the land.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 31, 2014 08:42 AM (7ObY1)

298 There's no law requiring employers verify that they're legit documents. Which is part of the problem. Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2014 12:33 PM (SY2Kh) No, but the IRS could in a heartbeat.... but Federal Policy is not to use the IRS to detect Identity fraud. Even when you get a 'no match' letter... it takes months and months of back and forth... and then the IRS does not do anything.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2014 08:42 AM (84gbM)

299 The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so that makes the friend of my enemy my GOP

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 31, 2014 08:42 AM (aq5Dc)

300 Yes, done some of that too, and have bugout #2 ready for occupancy too.

Posted by: Meremortal at January 31, 2014 12:20 PM (1Y+hH)

we're getting a greenhouse put in this spring.  Not a big one, but large enough to do veggies year around.

Nothing grows in the soil where we live except yucca plants and wild grasses, and even if it did:  bunnies.

Going to install solar panels, enough to power the min stuff (freezers, well pump, etc).

BBB.  Beans, Band-aids and Bullets, in order of priority.

Have 2 full trauma kits, first aid in ever vehicle, antibiotics. 

Posted by: tangonine at January 31, 2014 08:53 AM (x3YFz)

301 " Don't tell us it's better to preserve your purity than to beat the Democrats." In`teg´ri`ty n. 1. 1. The state or quality of being entire or complete; wholeness; entireness; unbroken state; as, the integrity of an empire or territory. 2. Moral soundness; honesty; freedom from corrupting influence or motive; - used especially with reference to the fulfillment of contracts, the discharge of agencies, trusts, and the like; uprightness; rectitude. 3. Unimpaired, unadulterated, or genuine state; entire correspondence with an original condition; purity. You are making war on integrity. "Because every single Democrat in the Senate voted for ObamaCare. And every single Republican voted against it. Party labels matter." The Republican House has just voted to fund it. When both parties collude, labels matter less.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 31, 2014 09:01 AM (5xmd7)

302 That was clean, fresh water. It probably had crap from desert bighorn sheep or peccaris in it...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 09:04 AM (itCai)

303 Because every single Democrat in the Senate voted for ObamaCare. And every single Republican voted against it. Blind squirrel, nut, and all that.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 31, 2014 09:08 AM (itCai)

304 Sometimes it helps to not give a sh!t about what other people say about your ideas. But every once in a while, it's good to see who's following you and who your challengers are. If the head-nods are coming from skinheads, you've gone too far Right; when the Stalin-humpers are in agreement with you, you're too far Left. Hey, Mr. BoehnerÂ… take a look at who's trying to hump you on Immigration.

Posted by: red speck at January 31, 2014 09:14 AM (9/Ug/)

305 God Bless Joffen & help his friends & family through their time of grief

Posted by: ginaswo at January 31, 2014 09:16 AM (I3Aay)

306 Part of me - the part that has given up on life - wishes conservatives would actually start a third party, just to see how long it takes before they complain that that party has "left" them too.

I'd say about 6.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 31, 2014 09:16 AM (qiXMt)

307 Part of me - the part that has given up on life - wishes conservatives would actually start a third party, just to see how long it takes before they complain that that party has "left" them too.

I'd say about 6 years.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 31, 2014 09:17 AM (qiXMt)

308 Boner needs to go!

Do you wear a Red tie so it doesn't make your neck look fat, or is it fashionable camouflage?

I shed no tears for you, in the pending, epic defeat!

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 31, 2014 09:38 AM (zL/eJ)

309 Secession is starting to look less like a fringe movement and more like a logical response.

Posted by: Reggie 1971 at January 31, 2014 09:56 AM (4qsb0)

310 We have become the Soviet Union-one party,one dictator.

Posted by: redware at January 31, 2014 10:04 AM (gc2+4)

311 Obama can change legal status to amnesty with the stroke of a pen.

Posted by: dirks strewn at January 31, 2014 10:12 AM (kfcYC)

312 Maybe the Republicans are going to passive agressively run out the clock on immigration reform before the mid-terms.  Everyone knows how hard it is to get anything done in DC even when they want to do something.  That being said, primary all moderates or anyone in support of this actually moving ahead.  It is written, so let it be done.

Posted by: dirks strewn at January 31, 2014 10:17 AM (kfcYC)

313 Lets grant amnesty to everyone that helps build the border fence...AFTER it is complete.

Posted by: SavEcig at January 31, 2014 10:38 AM (zWaPh)

314 ______________________________

Ace,

I have a proposal to make.
The only way the GOP leadership is going to understand how truly poisonous the Amnesty for Illegals issue is to conservatives is if that leadership is MADE to understand that a great many conservatives is poised to permanently abandon the party altogether.

I am not kidding when I say that I will have no reason to vote for Republicans anymore if anything remotely resembling amnesty becomes law due to Republican assistance. As far as I am concerned that's the ballgame.
And I'm sure there are lots of other conservatives who feel the same.

But it occurred to me, why take a half measure? The GOP is clearly not the _best_ party for establishing Amnesty for Illegals. Only Democrats can really get that job done right.
If we are left with _no choice_ but to accept that Amnesty is going to be our immigration policy, why not vote for the politicians who are going to do the best job at providing Amnesty?

So here's my new position. If the GOP is going to insist on assisting in establishing Amnesty for Illegals: I'm going to vote Democrat.
- Not a joke. Not kidding. And I have never before thought of doing such a thing over any issue. But I am serious.

I will not stay home on election day. I will go to the polls and launch the only vote that would seem to make a difference: a protest vote _against_ the GOP for foisting Amnesty on us. It won't be the Democrats' fault - they're 'supposed' to be in favor of Amnesty. But Amnesty can only happen if the GOP makes it happen - and they're 'supposed' to be against it.

Now I realize that it's probably not going to happen, but if conservatives with a microphone (like yourself) started to publicly call for fellow conservatives to vote AGAINST GOP candidates (no matter who they are or their position on Amnesty) that would get the leadership's attention.  

The problem is, the leadership believes they need to get this "Hispanic Demographic" issue off their plates before the GOP becomes permanently perceived as the racist, anti-Hispanic party.
Boehner, Ryan, et al. know that this is the perfect time to do it because once they're done they can just pivot back to disastrous Obamacare and the general failure of Obama himself.
They believe the issue of "Immigration" will be forgotten by conservatives the moment it is a fait accomplis, and that all will be forgiven in the name of winning an election cycle for the purpose of getting rid of Obamacare. 
- They have good reason to believe this. And as long as they do, Amnesty for Illegals is as good as a fait accomplis.

But if instead they understood that all would not be forgiven... if they understood that their betrayal would be so profoundly serious and offensive that a large number of conservatives will be dedicated to punishing them for the transgression: well, then they just might reconsider.

So if the GOP is going to even mildly assist in establishing Amnesty: I will vote for the real deal. I will vote Democrat. 


Posted by: _Dave_ at January 31, 2014 10:57 AM (07UzX)

315 We need another party and screw any of you who say this will result in Democrats winning. They're winning now anyway. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2014 11:34 AM (659DL) exactly

Posted by: Shoey at January 31, 2014 01:47 PM (Y7jCH)

316 I won't follow _Dave_ in voting for a Democrat. That would be deceitful. I won't vote Republican because they advance the Democrat agenda. Also, let them suck low voter turnout. If they're going to try to turn the United States into Cuba, they're going to force the United States -- heretofore a nation founded around a state -- into a separate identity apart from the godless ogliarchy they're building in Washington D.C. Let them try preach "our values" when 25% of the country bothers to vote. A nation that names streets after the REVEREND Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., is reachable, politically, by moral argument.

Posted by: Go Home Get Your Frickin Shinebox at January 31, 2014 03:32 PM (5xmd7)

317 I cannot understand why the GOP would EVER fucking do this. I wouldn't doubt that they have a bunch of crypto-dummycrats like Nicole Wallace pushing this crap on us. This is suicide for the GOP. I will NEVER vote for them again. 3rd party all the way The world is truly upside-down Our country is lost

Posted by: Dr. Bob at January 31, 2014 05:04 PM (TcDKW)

318 Principles don't sell anything...  Turning common sense Principles into marketable ideas AND ideals sells.  That's what Reagan was good at. 

If you have to ask what does this or that mean for immigration....   You've answered your own question of what's wrong with the GOP LOSERship. 

The GOP LOSERship couldn't sell ice cream in the desert, or wood stoves in Alaska... 

Time for a change to leadership folks who understand how to market conservative ideas and ideals.  Time to move on from the Mudfarming LOSERship that only knows how to drag their crony friends out of the burrOcrat muck and on their way ahead of the rest of us Main Street slubs remaining stuck in the burrOcrat muck.  

Exhibit A -- Main Street small business and their employees takes a big hit on O-Care roll out while the LOSERship sits on their butts and lets big crony corporations and unions get hauled out of the O-Care muck and are free to move ahead while everyone else is stuck in O-Care muck.   

Sucks for you Main Street -- Should have signed up for an Ocrat minimum wage federal contractor job will full benefits...  That's where the action is at...   Never mind that all this does is suck more bucks from taxpayers for the same amount of gubermint work... 

Nothing much to see here -- just move along now...

Posted by: Seipherd at January 31, 2014 05:06 PM (AortR)

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