January 10, 2014
— Ace Regarding the earlier post today on the very low labor participation rate: @laurww sends this chart by Geoff exposing the "recovery" as no recovery at all.
Labor participation -- working -- drops precipitously after the housing bubble crisis, and never recovers:
Easy answer to the question, Why doesn't this feel like a recovery? Because it's not.
Regarding yesterday's post on Rachel Maddow's newest false conspiracy, this one claiming the Koch Brothers are behind a law to impose drug-use tests on welfare recipients. Well, they're not. They donate to a group called the State Policy Network, as do many companies, and the SPN worked with a Florida outfit on this law. But then, one of the companies that contributes to the SPN is Comcast, Maddow's ultimate employer. So MSNBC is behind this drug-testing regime to the same extent the Koch Brothers are.
But there's new information there. Maddow wants to say the Koch Brothers are responsible for the law because they gave $40,000 to the SPN over a period of time. But the ACUL challenged that law in court -- and won.
Among the contributors to the ACLU is... the Koch Brothers. And you know how much they contributed to the ACLU, representing the other side in the drug-testing issue?
Via @theh2, try twenty million dollars, jack.
Charles and David Koch have donated some $20 million to the American Civil Liberties Union, which just won a court victory overturning a Florida law requiring the drug testing of welfare recipients.
So Maddow wants to claim the Koch Brothers are responsible for the law, due to donating $40,000 to SPN, but ignores the fact that they're even more responsible for undoing the law, by funding the ACLU to the tune of $20,000,000.
She is a nasty, dishonest Marxist true-believing hyper-ideological conspiracy theorist, and ought to be called such.
Remember the study that claimed dogs align themselves with the earth's magnetic fields when pooping? Further information on canines' sensitivity to magnetic fields -- snow-diving foxes may use them to home in on their prey.
Think about this ... an ordinary fox can stalk a mole, mouse, vole or shrew from a distance of 25 feet, which means its food is making a barely audible rustling sound, hiding almost two car lengths away. And yet our fox hurls itself into the air -- in an arc determined by the fox, the speed and trajectory of the scurrying mouse, any breezes, the thickness of the ground cover, the depth of the snow -- and somehow (how? how?), it can land straight on top of the mouse, pinning it with its forepaws or grabbing the mouse's head with its teeth.
Link and video below from @clayranck.
And, Open Thread.
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Posted by: Typical piggish Moron at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (QFxY5)
Posted by: Molly k. at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (cGc4u)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 10, 2014 02:46 PM (9+ccr)
Posted by: goy at January 10, 2014 02:47 PM (oGez1)
Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at January 10, 2014 02:48 PM (g1DWB)
Happy time tonight.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 02:48 PM (kqqGm)
(via twitter)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 02:48 PM (/g5vp)
Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:48 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:48 PM (IXrOn)
The rich recovered. The poor, of course, had nothing from which to recover, but they do have more company...people from the Middle Class.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 02:48 PM (gYIst)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (8ZskC)
A LOT of us called this, Monty and some of us on the Dawn Patrol mapped out the failure of TARP and the ARRA "Tiger" ahead of time.
This is not rocket surgery it is math. That is even without his addiction to "doing something" every week through EPA, and Interior. He has taken NO steps to stabilize ANY industry but insurance and look how well he did at that.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (TE35l)
Is there NO limit to the depths they will sink to???
Posted by: Angry Young Man - MSNBC [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (5ikDv)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:49 PM (8ifMA)
FIFY
Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 10, 2014 02:50 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:50 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 02:50 PM (DpEwG)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:51 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 02:51 PM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 02:52 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 02:52 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 02:52 PM (/g5vp)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 02:52 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: the mouse at January 10, 2014 02:52 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Beagle at January 10, 2014 02:53 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 10, 2014 02:53 PM (DpEwG)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 10, 2014 02:53 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2014 02:53 PM (wYShC)
Posted by: The Prisoner...of Lake Woebegon at January 10, 2014 02:53 PM (pginn)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: the mouse at January 10, 2014 06:52 PM (QupBk)
Hey mouse, you didn't build that.
Posted by: Barry Obamalama at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: some paranoid snow mouse at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (UzasV)
Looking for ones that align themselves to magnetic north in the bathroom?
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (PK+r9)
Posted by: shredded chi - broke, busted & disgusted at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (W/b66)
Posted by: Pinky at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:54 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 10, 2014 02:55 PM (pginn)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:55 PM (IXrOn)
Then one day I came home and they were gone. My dad was working for a company that did some kind of animal testing at the time. I think there may have been an unfortunate connection. I never asked.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 02:55 PM (P6QsQ)
Hmm. I'm picturing you more in the ball pit at McDonalds.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 10, 2014 02:55 PM (8ZskC)
It's worse than that we're heading for Stagflation with already depression like E6 and a debauched currency.
Yellen has pledged to keep the Xerox pumping up Wall Street, the rumor mill says "she wants to be more hands on with housing and employment." This means we now have an overtly social justice Fed boss as opposed to a mere reflexive "Keynesian" one.
What she is discussing is overtly reinflating the bubbles and she is an activist so I don't think she will let interest rates rise quick enough to try to reenergize the currency. Obama needs the Prime Rate to stay low or he can't use his magic powers of graft cannon politics so well. The American economy is trapped.
Sooner or later she is gonna screw shit up so bad that you will hear people like me start pining for "the calm days of Helicopter Ben Bukakke."
People sometimes ask me how I knew Ben would fail, I tell them I watched the movie in the Original Japanese.
That line was out there for Romney to use and he didn't.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 02:55 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Some Obama Advisors at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (lZBBB)
Pronounced "coke". I'd wager she's a fan of that stuff.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 10, 2014 06:54 PM (8ifMA)
yeah sure just like you pronounce Bohner, "Beyner"
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: dogfish at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (nsOJa)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: tobias smoot-bandicoot at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 02:56 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: Lice Nest[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:57 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 02:57 PM (MMC8r)
Sign me up. Time to take some scalps and put the fear of God into the Left and the Media (but then, I repeat myself)
Posted by: acethepug at January 10, 2014 02:57 PM (4i/94)
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When I was younger, I could do that with snow maidens.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 02:57 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 02:58 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Dang at January 10, 2014 02:58 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 10, 2014 02:58 PM (pginn)
Posted by: Jolly Rancher at January 10, 2014 02:59 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: SFGoth at January 10, 2014 02:59 PM (9CBig)
The series North America is great and Mrs. Scandi won't miss it. Reruns of reruns. She also watches Tom Selleck's cop show, Blue Bloods for some damn reason.
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2014 02:59 PM (wYShC)
Posted by: Molly k. at January 10, 2014 02:59 PM (cGc4u)
Posted by: A Prion[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 03:00 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Old Bull at January 10, 2014 03:00 PM (lZBBB)
@53Why in the world would they give that kind of scratch to the ACLU? And PBS, too?
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They're libertarians, not conservatives. And while the ACLU tends to support causes that are considered leftist, it frequently seems to prefer to do so in a "make government butt out" fashion. And that, of course, is libertarian thought. Which is why the ACLU occasionally finds itself in situations such as helping Rush Limbaugh (when an overzealous prosecution team went after his drug use). So while the Koch brothers probably don't agree with the ACLU's overarching goals, some of the means that the ACLU uses to achieve those goals might not be considered to be so bad.
As for PBS... no clue. Maybe they really like Masterpiece Theater?
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:00 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 10, 2014 03:00 PM (pginn)
Posted by: Dang at January 10, 2014 03:00 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: NWConservative at January 10, 2014 03:00 PM (2fSZP)
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2014 06:59 PM (wYShC)
Tom Selleck may be the answer ? ?
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 03:01 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 03:01 PM (RJMhd)
History was my gift, but currency economics was my passion.
Thanks, and THAT kind of line is what the GOP is missing. It is a devastating line that politely delivered gets its point across and can't be rebutted. Romney then could have told his story better IMHO.
Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda- the best dynamic failure analysts in the business AND the worst advisers I guess they'll send you to the asylum
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:01 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:01 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 03:01 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Josey Wales[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 03:01 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: SFGoth at January 10, 2014 03:02 PM (9CBig)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 03:02 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Dang at January 10, 2014 07:00 PM (MNq6o)
Just don't write it in cursive, or else most people won't be able to read it. Some people, that is. Posted by: model_1066
That would be retarded, sir.
Posted by: Dang at January 10, 2014 03:02 PM (MNq6o)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 10, 2014 03:02 PM (G5cc0)
Posted by: Ben Bernanke at January 10, 2014 03:02 PM (Bxzz6)
This year unless you jump over the ridiculously insane "deductible" that is not really you are likely right if you are both healthy, BUT analyze and make your own decision.
I am going out of pocket on some of my care, and I am happy to do so.
I hope General Practitioners force them to enslave them by sitting down in the snow and running market clinics.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:03 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 10, 2014 03:04 PM (lZBBB)
Well, this could get interesting.
How long will it take for CGI's replacement to take a detailed look at the work done so far and make heads or tails out of it all?
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 10, 2014 07:02 PM (G5cc0)
The are replacing them with Accenture, who I have personal experience with ( it was not good )
Accenture was the former consulting wing of Arthur Anderson, ring a bell ? Enron anyone ?
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (sdi6R)
Yeah that is the thing, WHY didn't the GOP have hearings calling the Dynamic Duo of Fannie and Freddie in to explain how they built the bomb for 2008?
The Democrats are HAPPILY doing it again, and why not?
It ensures a donk landlslide when it hits if the GOP just stares slack-jawed.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (TE35l)
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Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 03:05 PM (8ifMA)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 10, 2014 03:06 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 03:06 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: SFGoth at January 10, 2014 07:02 PM (9CBig)
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And also supports Rush Limbaugh.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:06 PM (UWFpX)
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Yeah, sort of a Pyrrhic victory over Maddow with this point.
Shows (again) what a dishonest hack she is, but it's her causes that are benefiting the most.
It's their money to spend, but how are the Koch donations to ACLU and PBS any different than Republicans like McCain who constantly work w/ Senate Dems, who - shock of shocks - always manage to get exactly what they want with the added benefit of claiming it was "bi-partisan." See, the Kochs aren;t eeeevil, they fund the ACLU that harasses public expressions of Christianity and defends terrorists, and the Obama admin's propaganda tool. Yay for our side. Not.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 03:07 PM (POpqt)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 03:07 PM (RJMhd)
Trust me Ben I was so in awe of your Japanese period I tried to use empathy to sit in your chair and scan your battlescape to reverse engineer your OODA process...
I couldn't get the urge to chase my cat out of my head for months, thanks.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:07 PM (TE35l)
just sayin'
Posted by: artisanal 'ette: chili con carne at January 10, 2014 06:56 PM (IXrOn) Hide posts from (IXrOn)
Not really interested in learning how to jump into the snow headfirst, thanks.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 10, 2014 03:07 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 03:07 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: shredded chi - broke, busted & disgusted at January 10, 2014 03:07 PM (W/b66)
Posted by: Countrysquire at January 10, 2014 03:08 PM (8FyP4)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 03:08 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 10, 2014 03:08 PM (G5cc0)
Posted by: NWConservative at January 10, 2014 03:09 PM (2fSZP)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 03:09 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 03:09 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2014 03:10 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 10, 2014 03:11 PM (o3MSL)
Accenture was the former consulting wing of Arthur Anderson, ring a bell ? Enron anyone ?
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 07:05 PM (nTgAI)
I also have had personal experience with them (neutral).
They can probably get the job done, and it is guaranteed to be NOT cheap.
Also, they know how to cover their asses quite well.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 03:11 PM (dmepw)
Just look at her background. From wikipedia:
"Her father, Carroll Dunham, is a painter of "overtly sexualized pop art", and her mother, Laurie Simmons, is a photographer and designer, who creates artistic domestic scenes with dolls.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 03:11 PM (POpqt)
Yup..I raised hell here over it at the time.
Batman and Robin were together again. Some guys I know are pretty free market capitalists were saying, "This is SO BAD we need KEYNSIANS LIKE THESE GUYS IT IS TOO BIG!" You know how on TV they burst say "past performance not indicative of future results?"
I think it was subtle subliminal brainwashing.
Anyway my rebuttal then as now was, "Japan was in a liquidity trap and had ~25.5% of a 2 year burst of GDP in simple savings laying there. Is that ANYTHING like our problem?"
and the response was just "he was elected so strong he is THE ONE"
Well here we are and our performance is BELOW Japan's lost decade...
How's the Hopium working out for those fellas...?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:11 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 03:12 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 10, 2014 03:12 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 03:12 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2014 03:12 PM (doBIb)
Show me on the doll where daddy touched you.
Posted by: Laurie Simmons at January 10, 2014 03:13 PM (8ZskC)
@129It was the producers who went into a " rage spiral" over the nudity question.I really think Dunham has some kind of mental illness.
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This is the woman who compared voting for Obama to losing your virginity. So yes, I think there might be something to the whole "mental illness" idea...
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:14 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 03:14 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 10, 2014 03:14 PM (lZBBB)
Gawd it took me awhile to get it.
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 07:09 PM (RJMhd)
The version I heard year ago had Bill Clinton, Hilary, and Jesse Jackson.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 03:15 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: NWConservative at January 10, 2014 03:15 PM (2fSZP)
@130 And someone gave her a show?
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iirc, Brian Williams's daughter is on the show as well. Did the two women know each other before the show started? Maybe there's a connection?
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:15 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Cynic at January 10, 2014 03:16 PM (pJMWm)
Posted by: General Zod at January 10, 2014 03:16 PM (2+bRt)
I have fired workers to raise my profits.
I have raised health insurance premiums to increase my own wealth.
I have poisoned the atmosphere with Carbon
I organized the attack on Benghazi to embarrass our leader
I have consorted with an been the agent of Emmanuel Koch
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 10, 2014 03:16 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 03:16 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 10, 2014 03:17 PM (zOTsN)
....so I can accurately depict it with Barbies in a diorama for my next art show. Or if you prefer, get daddy in here to re-enact it and I'll take some black and white photos.
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 03:17 PM (POpqt)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 10, 2014 03:17 PM (o3MSL)
I was jawing last night about how much graft is probably being cycled through USPS.
The media being SO lockstep right now is what is enabling this it even sorta gives the GOP some cover in a weird prisoner's bargain.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:17 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 03:18 PM (RJMhd)
The lives of real men involve a lot of free and easy time, much more I expect than women, and yet we've had the better sense to know it's just not appropriate.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at January 10, 2014 03:19 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 03:19 PM (RJMhd)
Thanks...no really wife is home all weekend and now...
Ray you are not boner fuel ma'am.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:20 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Weirddave at January 10, 2014 03:21 PM (N/cFh)
Accenture was the former consulting wing of Arthur Anderson, ring a bell ? Enron anyone ?
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 07:05 PM (nTgAI)
I also have had personal experience with them (neutral).They can probably get the job done, and it is guaranteed to be NOT cheap.Also, they know how to cover their asses quite well.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 07:11 PM (dmepw)
They love to stuff a bunch of college kids that don't know shit in a room and bill $400 an hour for each of them
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 03:21 PM (nTgAI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM
Then, this (head may explode)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqYY72PeRM
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:21 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 03:22 PM (MMC8r)
Yup...I was here, at HotAir, at LGF, and a few other spots pointing that out...
if I had had the droid I carry now I would have shown EVERYONE.
People do not know Bambi was one of the Lawyers inflating the bubble.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:23 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 03:23 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: The Philosopher at January 10, 2014 03:24 PM (X3GkB)
Posted by: NWConservative at January 10, 2014 03:24 PM (2fSZP)
Posted by: fluffy at January 10, 2014 03:24 PM (i2dIy)
If the Koch brothers did not exist Lieawatha Warren would have to invent them.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:24 PM (TE35l)
[Maddow] is a nasty, dishonest Marxist true-believing hyper-ideological conspiracy theorist...
Works for me. Poppin' a she-woody here.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 03:25 PM (kdS6q)
Every chart you look at, you'll see things only start to get better around that point.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 10, 2014 03:26 PM (4/o9U)
Posted by: Navypopojoe at January 10, 2014 03:26 PM (XruKb)
This was my experience.
While the older ones I worked with were great (individually), in numbers, they are like locusts, always look for an angle to further embed themselves into the system to create further billing opportunities. Oh, and they're all like stepford wives with their jargon - "synch-up" "let's table this" "what is the value-add?"
Posted by: Lizzy at January 10, 2014 03:27 PM (POpqt)
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Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 03:29 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: Navypopojoe at January 10, 2014 03:29 PM (XruKb)
Posted by: baldilocks--Team SMOD at January 10, 2014 03:30 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:30 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: mugiwara at January 10, 2014 03:30 PM (3a584)
The situation in the middle east is depressing in the shame that it heaps on this country. The waste of our soldiers lives and their efforts...
And to think that so many people continue to be willing to defend the no-load traitor occupying the White House.
Damn this is sickening.
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 10, 2014 03:30 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: The Fox at January 10, 2014 03:31 PM (3p8HS)
Posted by: JohnJ at January 10, 2014 03:32 PM (TF/YA)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 03:32 PM (zqvg6)
The DoJ got this big during the "Public Enemies" stage. I don't think most people can comprehend, and I can only do so as an academic exercise with a history background, how SMALL the government was in 1928. We're talking less than 1/5th per capita.
It made sense for the President to have the Attorney General because at the time the AG's main job was coordinating suits between the states and suing states if need be with some revenue enforcement prosecutorial work. Not perfect but very workable for a sanely sized system. The issue came when the Civil Rights Movement and ACLU decided to morph the DoJ into an active and invasive investigatory and PERSONAL protection agency for the electorate.
DoJ is now in some ways more powerful than the United States military, Congress has no oversight if both the AG and the President are corrupt(here's looking at YOU Clinton-Reno. The AG is not supposed to be an activist and he sure as fuck is not supposed to so overtly try to interfere with the states. Holder gets away with it because "media."
The Democrats love closing ranks and giving their operatives defacto immunity.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:32 PM (TE35l)
@172Has Ace or a cobblogger put up a post about the Lena Dunham saying that we all need shrinking because we don't want to see her doughiness? I'm in the mood to read some really mean comments.
I swear, she must be related to BHO.
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There hasn't been an explicit topic. But she's been showing up as a constant off-topic pretty consistantly for about the last five or so hours.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:32 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Dog turd at January 10, 2014 03:32 PM (gtiZk)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 10, 2014 03:34 PM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 03:34 PM (NUzUg)
Gosh, you may be on to something there.
Have people pay cash up front out of pocket for ordinary routine medical expenses, and put away the money they save into a rainy day fund to fund extraordinary medical expenses.
Heck, people could team up together and pool their rainy day funds for those extraordinary expenses.
We could call that -- gee, I don't know -- "health insurance" or something.
Nah. That'll never fly.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 10, 2014 03:34 PM (gqT4g)
@184 Actually, their support for PBS is what PBS should be. If the Koch brothers want PBS to air Downton Abbey or Masterpiece Theatre or Celtic Woman (mmmm, sweet gingers), then they should fund it with their own money given freely. Once the government takes someone's money by force to give to PBS, then I have a problem with it.
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I think the complaint has more to do with the fact that so much of PBS's funding seems to go toward things like Tavis Smiley.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:35 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2014 03:36 PM (g1DWB)
Posted by: Beerologist at January 10, 2014 03:36 PM (sv6o2)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 03:36 PM (zqvg6)
@172Has Ace or a cobblogger put up a post about the Lena Dunham saying that we all need shrinking because we don't want to see her doughiness? I'm in the mood to read some really mean comments.
I swear, she must be related to BHO.
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There hasn't been an explicit topic. But she's been showing up as a constant off-topic pretty consistantly for about the last five or so hours."
There has been an ad blitz on the 'net for the show. May have some relevance, percolating the odious show upwards in our shared Zeitgeist.
The mystery is why any data analysis tool thinks I am an appropriate target for these ads. I am getting worried about myself.
Posted by: West at January 10, 2014 03:36 PM (gtiZk)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 03:36 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Filthy Politician[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 03:37 PM (2hTlI)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 03:37 PM (HBIUw)
@192 There has been an ad blitz on the 'net for the show. May have some relevance, percolating the odious show upwards in our shared Zeitgeist.
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Really? I haven't seen a single ad. Did you read one of the various on-line articles about her today? If so, that might be why you're suddenly seeing a bunch of ads for her show.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:38 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Vendette cheers for Canoe U to beat Air Force and Army at January 10, 2014 03:38 PM (HBIUw)
It's the magic 20%.
When we finally get to where we can safely take the blue field, white stars, and white stripes off our flag I want you to remember to thank the Luap Nor Kult Libertines.
Couldn't have happened without them.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:38 PM (TE35l)
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Yes.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:38 PM (aDwsi)
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I learn something every day. Even when I don't give a puck.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:40 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: JEM at January 10, 2014 03:40 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 03:41 PM (LWu6U)
" I think we will make out like bandits now that we don't have to pay for
500$ insurance every month."
With the new increase in the amount you can have in a HSA and letting you roll over the balance, no insurance+fine does becomes an attractive option for regular medical services.
But if anything catastrophic happens that can't wait until you can sign up for "must take you" full medical....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 03:41 PM (kdS6q)
How you doing?(in unison)
//Ray Maddow and Katie Couric
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:41 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2014 07:21 PM (nTgAI)
Yep! They throw the 'dumbest' available people at it (the project) who can maybe barely get the job done, and charge up the wazoo for it. And they always make sure their ass is covered (my employer was working as a sub to them). And Friday was the day they always had to go to their office (probably to fill out their time card - lol), which means they went back home every Thursday afternoon. In our project, we had one kid who was based in Vancouver, BC. We were in Quebec, so every Thursday he went home on a $3000 plane ticket (which was the cheapest!).
It was a big project for a big company, so they didn't blink at the cost.
Interesting times watching how they worked. Don't know how it is now there, since it has been a while.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 03:42 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 10, 2014 03:42 PM (G5cc0)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 03:42 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Andy at January 10, 2014 03:43 PM (vGQV1)
Oh hell credit where credit is due Bill Clinton recognized the problem back in late 98-01 and tried three times to defuse the bomb.
The usual suspects jammed his people too.
Maxine Waters, Bawney Fwank, Sheila Jackson Lee, Rep. Majors take your fucking bow.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:44 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Vendette cheers for Canoe U to beat Air Force and Army at January 10, 2014 03:44 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 03:45 PM (LWu6U)
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Expect Watt to 'address' that problem now.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:45 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 10, 2014 03:45 PM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 03:46 PM (NUzUg)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 10, 2014 03:46 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 10, 2014 03:46 PM (NvZnr)
Interestingly, in Commiefornia, the state government is now apparently telling CA residents that if they don't get signed up for Obamacare right the fuck now, they won't be accepted as applicants later on if they have a catastrophe happen.
An obvious gambit to bully the wavering into going on the exchanges.
How the state authorities propose to get away with this given the plain wording of the actual federal law is an interesting conundrum. But, of course, these days, what we used to call "laws" are now just whims on the part of those charged with administering and enforcing said "laws".
Posted by: torquewrench at January 10, 2014 03:47 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 07:45 PM (LWu6U)
I just had to google luap nor after reading this, was curious what would come up. And the first result is...
Laser-Assisted Uvulopalatoplasty!
Posted by: mugiwara at January 10, 2014 03:48 PM (3a584)
Posted by: Vox at January 10, 2014 03:49 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 10, 2014 07:45 PM (BXLPR)
If anything, the causation probably runs in the other direction. The popping of the housing bubble was probably caused by the spike in unemployment that resulted from the sharp increase in the minimum wage.
Posted by: JohnJ at January 10, 2014 03:49 PM (TF/YA)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 10, 2014 03:50 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 03:50 PM (NUzUg)
Posted by: Vendette cheers for Canoe U to beat Air Force and Army at January 10, 2014 07:44 PM (HBIUw)
Probably both. Didn't do the job (business class, baby!), and no advanced scheduling.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 03:50 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 03:50 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 03:51 PM (NUzUg)
Posted by: JohnJ at January 10, 2014 07:32 PM (TF/YA)
Yeah? Let me ask you has Obama allowed ANY chance for the market to reestablish equilibrium and trust stability to plan for future events? The Obama adminstration is your uninvited and not so silent partner.
The Housing Implosion is what disrupted the economy the worst the minimum wage hike didn't help but without the VERY happily(for Dems) time bomb going off I think it could have weathered the hike.
Add in the wildly unpredictable nature of Obamacare and its cost sink and disruption of wage cost structure and there simply can be now recovery when President ScoamfWrench insists on trying to fix the car engine while it is moving.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:51 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 10, 2014 03:51 PM (G5cc0)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 03:52 PM (HBIUw)
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Populated with amoral, politically-driven thugs. Pretty much started with Bill Lan Lee, but that's just my perspective.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:53 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Carroll Dunham at January 10, 2014 03:53 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, free market capitalist at January 10, 2014 03:53 PM (BXLPR)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 03:53 PM (MMC8r)
Obama seems to have done everything he can possibly do to keep the economy and employment down.
Posted by: JohnJ at January 10, 2014 03:53 PM (TF/YA)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 03:54 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:54 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at January 10, 2014 03:54 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: GOP at January 10, 2014 03:55 PM (LWu6U)
@223Reading the comments here, why on earth does anyone watch "Girls?" It sounds to me like one long Mary Sue for Dunham.
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Actually, from what I've heard, her character (and her character's friends) come across as pathetic, whiney, and self-absorbed.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:55 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: Carroll Dunham at January 10, 2014 03:55 PM (oFCZn)
A very STRONG case can be made that this entire mess is a result of ANWAR getting fucked by Harry Reid, EPA's war on new refinery capacity, the hurricanes knocking out 31% of our refining capability for 6 weeks and Helicopter Economics prior to 2009.
The high energy costs and over leveraged wage to mortgage levels for the target of the Fan/Fred bomb meant that you had a chain reaction event built in on Harry Reid's dirsuption of Anwar.
Remember when Reid said "that oil won't be ready for a decade?"
That was a lie look how quick we got the shale up and running, and hey Searchlight Strangler that was two fucking years ago!" anyway.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:56 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: JohnJ
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Makes it much easier to get re-distribution/dependency programs going. Also class envy discord.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 03:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 03:56 PM (oFCZn)
Reading the comments here, why on earth does anyone watch "Girls?" It sounds to me like one long Mary Sue for Dunham.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
What was it Ace said when he was posting all those, "I'm not watching Girls but I know all about the show and I'll scream at you if say anything bad about it", threads? It was so we could communicate on common terms with the uninvolved proletariat or something.
I just figured he likes them haumps.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 03:57 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: JackStraw at January 10, 2014 03:57 PM (g1DWB)
saying that we all need shrinking because we don't want to see her
doughiness?
THAT'S who she reminds me of naked-- the PILLSBURY DOUGHBOY!
Pillsbury doughboy, Michelin Man, Mr. Whipple, whatever.
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2014 03:58 PM (6TB1Z)
@235 Last I saw, less than a million people watch it, yet it has been renewed for season 4 because of the internet interest or something like that. I don't have HBO so I'm safe.
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It's critically acclaimed, or something like that, and all the fashionable people watch it.
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:58 PM (UWFpX)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 03:58 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 03:59 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 03:59 PM (QupBk)
@245>> Actually, from what I've heard, her character (and her character's friends) come across as pathetic, whiney, and self-absorbed.
In other words she was type cast.
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Well, since it's her show...
^^;;
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 03:59 PM (UWFpX)
Gentlemen YOU want to blow your brains out? I give you Karl R-O-V-E!
Rove told Bush to go limp after election '04 and refused to spend any capital domestically after he lost on Amigo Grande!
You like not having the house after 06?
Thank you Karl
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 03:59 PM (TE35l)
Ah, Lagavulin. All is forgiven. The Absinthe of single malt.
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2014 03:59 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: The Rabbi at January 10, 2014 04:01 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 04:01 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 04:01 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 04:02 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2014 04:02 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: shredded chi - broke, busted & disgusted at January 10, 2014 04:02 PM (yvjkM)
Posted by: Moron wants to know, has Enquiring mind at January 10, 2014 04:03 PM (tcK++)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 04:03 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: seamrog at January 10, 2014 04:03 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: freaked at January 10, 2014 04:03 PM (JdEZJ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 04:04 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 04:04 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: traye at January 10, 2014 04:04 PM (k3ra0)
Only when I am hungry for fish!
//Barry at 1600 PA Ave
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:05 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 04:05 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 04:05 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (NUzUg)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, free market capitalist at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (BXLPR)
Yeah..I am thinking the cop decided the kid had Jedi super powers from his schizophrenia.
This was NOT a clean shoot.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (QupBk)
Hill or Bill ?
Posted by: seamrog at January 10, 2014 08:03 PM (8YoW+)
LOL. Good one!
Hilary was the scribe, JJ the instrument.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Lena Dunham[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (WhJf8)
Posted by: Daybrotherfield at January 10, 2014 04:06 PM (ObyJ1)
Gabe's neon lit undercarriage is a pretty snazzy feature on that truck of his.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:07 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 04:07 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 04:08 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 04:08 PM (NUzUg)
I'm thinking Carney and Geraldo are trying to play off on the Robertson's manliness.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 04:08 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:09 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:09 PM (HBIUw)
You wish you'd blacked out or I wish I had.
There's a cyclic flu in the right blogosphere whereby we are told scolded hard sometimes that it is our patriotic duty to "take back the culture" and watch Gals.
Needless to say this is not a chore I would embrace.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:09 PM (TE35l)
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Why must we be consumers of their culture? When do they have to reciprocate? We are always supposed to cross three lanes of traffic on the Slutfest Highway during rush hour to hurry up and get over to their side, but no one crosses Main Street for us.
Enough.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 04:10 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:10 PM (HBIUw)
Yeah.... uh yeah...
I think contrary to her buddy PIV Avenger Lady's hypothesis boys and gals have been having sex since well the chicken or the egg
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:11 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 04:11 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 04:11 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 04:11 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 10, 2014 04:11 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: pep
It's a MAN, babee!
Posted by: Weftin cut-Powers [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 04:11 PM (tlwVg)
Posted by: maddogg at January 10, 2014 04:12 PM (G3V/N)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 04:13 PM (U1Tts)
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Prancing Lena Dunham.
Just..., don't even ask.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 04:13 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:13 PM (KRTiE)
If it caused measurable and permanent hearing loss, that's a likely early-retirement-at-full-pay claim right there.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 10, 2014 04:13 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:13 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: shredded chi - broke, busted & disgusted at January 10, 2014 04:14 PM (yvjkM)
Posted by: traye at January 10, 2014 04:14 PM (k3ra0)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 04:14 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 10, 2014 04:14 PM (NUzUg)
He did, now to *us* it is a gag(both literally and figuratively)
The thing is this last round was libs during the tail end of the Derp Dynasty kerfuffle that "Gals makes a strangely compelling sarcastic conservative commentary on the impact of her hedonistic liberalism"
Yeah?
Point is Duck Dynasty reruns at 2:30am pull more viewers than Gals and it has a wider licensing application...
NOBODY would buy "Virtual Lena Dunham the RPG"
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:15 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: The Honey Badger at January 10, 2014 04:15 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:15 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 04:15 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 04:15 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Adam at January 10, 2014 04:15 PM (Aif/5)
Yes, my history book has a whole chapter about how the celibate Puritans died off because they had no offspring to continue the line.
Posted by: C Mather, Esq at January 10, 2014 04:16 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 04:16 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:16 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 04:17 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: C Mather, Esq at January 10, 2014 08:16 PM (o3MSL)
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I thought that was the Mormons.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 04:17 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:17 PM (0FSuD)
The stock market has more than doubled since the 2009 lows.
If there has been no recovery, what is the correct valuation of the stock market today?
Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2014 04:17 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:18 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 04:18 PM (LWu6U)
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Watch the credits, Vic played 'Villager With Pitchfork'
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 04:18 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:19 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:19 PM (KRTiE)
The stock market has more than doubled since the 2009 lows.
If there has been no recovery, what is the correct valuation of the stock market today?
Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2014 08:17 PM (hO9ad)
Good question.
Perhaps the valuation is high because it is in terms of anticipated inflation-bloated dollars once this slow motion train wreck actually derails.
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 04:20 PM (dmepw)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 04:20 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 04:20 PM (LWu6U)
@317Holy Shit, the original Bride of Frankenstein, 1933, is on TCM.
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How times have changed. Now Frank's got a movie coming out in which he's chased by giant stone angels (not *those* angels).
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 04:21 PM (UWFpX)
SPOON!
No seriously what is going on here is Obama is buying the silence of the rich.
The stock market is overvalued by at least 40 and maybe 65% BUT it is the best hedge against inflation AND is a liquid sink you can divest from.
The QEleventy is there to both enrich those who have money already and give the illusion of stability.....
my Dad's generation would have burnt the fed down by now with a stock market this overvalued.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:21 PM (TE35l)
Actually I think Ace abandoned the Girls! theory pretty quickly it was mostly Kurt Schlichter's baby.
Posted by: Hawaii
Saw it again later with all those Robin Thicke threads on the same theme.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 04:21 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at January 10, 2014 04:22 PM (LWu6U)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 04:23 PM (RJMhd)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:23 PM (KRTiE)
@284 These "new" things are often sex. People have been doing sex since time began. But Lena thinks she's discovered something new and must share it with the puritans who desperately need to know about this strange 'sex' thing.
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What's ironic is that the "old" things that they would like to cast aside were frequently originally created in part to help prevent the strong (i.e. men) from having sex... without their partner's permission (otherwise known as "rape" - and not the "date rape" variety, either).
Posted by: junior at January 10, 2014 04:23 PM (UWFpX)
These guys found a federal law that says that you can opt out of obamacare and that you can't be penalized for it:
They say this as if Obama might actually hesitate in issuing a imperial edict to the contrary.
Silly people
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 10, 2014 04:23 PM (BZAd3)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:24 PM (0FSuD)
Not if our goal is break-up...
One EPA overreach I like is the cession of Wyoming Land to the Indian Rez without approval.
That could be useful.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:25 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:26 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 04:26 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 04:27 PM (U1Tts)
You mean if we dive head first into something wet and cold we'll get to chew on a fur covered rat?
I'll pass.
Thnx bye.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 10, 2014 04:27 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:28 PM (KRTiE)
Maybe. When the shit hits the fan, I think we'll see massive inflation in stuff you actually use (food, fuel, water) and deflation in things you thought you were storing value in (stocks, houses, gold) because everyone else is trying to liquidate at the same time.
Posted by: Methos at January 10, 2014 04:28 PM (hO9ad)
Posted by: Hawaii at January 10, 2014 04:28 PM (RJMhd)
Ace's point was we need to be aware of the culture around us if we're gonna consider ourselves political junkies/experts.
I concur.
Posted by: soothsayer
"Culture" or "important" as defined by the left. Conceding the ground in the culture war is like conceding the ground in the social war or the political war.
Bad idea.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 04:28 PM (kdS6q)
http://tinyurl.com/m92868t
Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 10, 2014 08:23 PM (BZAd3)
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Hmmmmm. Interesting.
Posted by: grammie winger at January 10, 2014 04:30 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 04:30 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 04:30 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 10, 2014 04:31 PM (6/+vz)
More people watched spartacus, and that's with all the dudes kissing in the show. If anyone needed evidence of how much people don't want to see her naked, there it is.
Posted by: just being cheeky at January 10, 2014 04:31 PM (1Zoh4)
Posted by: Methos
I've never done the calculation; it's hard to remove the cascade effects of cheap money, massive reserves, and corporate buybacks - among a dozen other things.
zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-06/sp-and-without-qe
A calculation of the increase of the markets during trading days with Fed intervension (aka QE ) has it at an 81% rise 12/2008 to 1/2013.
Avg stock market increase has been what, 12% / year ? So 81% - 60 gives you an estimate of 21% over-valuation as of 2013.
Zerohedge 05/05/2013
"While economist David Rosenberg at Gluskin Sheff believes government actions could be directly or indirectly responsible for as many as 500 points in the S&P 500, or 30% of its current valuation...
Posted by: Weftin cut-Powers [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 04:31 PM (tlwVg)
I'm bigger on the inside that the outside
Posted by: Sandra Fluke on the BBC casting couch at January 10, 2014 04:33 PM (hO9ad)
BTW -- you will remember where you were today like the day JFK was shot:
In light of the recent attacks against my artistic integrity, I am retiring from all public life.
Shia LaBeouf (@thecampaignbook) January 10, 2014
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2014 04:33 PM (kdS6q)
But thanks to the traitor John Roberts, that's not a problem because they impose a TAX on you if you don't have insurance.
See?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 10, 2014 04:34 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:35 PM (0FSuD)
Yep. They've been using the same tactic since Genesis 3:5.
Posted by: JohnJ at January 10, 2014 04:37 PM (TF/YA)
I say 40 because I am factoring in the bank bailouts and the QE pump...I also happen to think Barry has a version of the PPT going on.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:37 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 08:13 PM (aDwsi)
oooo-kayyyy... *backs away slowly*
Oh hey, look...ancient alien marathon on the history channel...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 10, 2014 04:37 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:38 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 04:38 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:39 PM (KRTiE)
Shia La Poof is self-exiled to Avalon...America mourns...
this culture?
We're soaking in it
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:40 PM (TE35l)
That graph shows how bad things have gotten under the Dems...since they took control of congress in Jan. '07.
Posted by: wheatie at January 10, 2014 04:40 PM (1ScqE)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 08:40 PM (aDwsi)
Ooh..thanks!
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 10, 2014 04:42 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:42 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: georgeofthedesert at January 10, 2014 04:42 PM (Eq2MX)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:44 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 04:44 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Sven 10077
Yeah, the bailouts are a tricky one. Not that it wasn't entirely an amoral thing to do but, absent the bailouts, the consolidation of Fin/Banking industry would initially yield a contraction, but, later the kind of confidence an actual, stable recovery yields.
So it's kind of a wash there since the confidence in the Fin/Banking sector would be on more solid ground than it is today.
Posted by: Weftin cut-Powers [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 04:45 PM (tlwVg)
Posted by: pep at January 10, 2014 07:31 PM (6TB1Z)
Not personally, but he did write a song called "Waitress dear Waitress, come sit on my face"
Heh. Funny song
Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at January 10, 2014 04:45 PM (SudzO)
Read you're history. Ukrainians were a problem for the Soviets.
They took away the Ukrainians ability to farm and also took away what crops they still managed to grow.
So they starved to death. End of the problem with Ukrainians.
This is what's coming next. Along with the inability to receive adequate medical care OR being rejected for a life saving procedure because you don't qualify for it because of your age, prognosis, employment, family, politics etc etc etc. You will also be denied any opportunities to devise any other means to survive. The State will soon find a "Solution" to those that are ineligible and are starving in the streets.
Only they'll be sneaky about it. Anyone who becomes ineligible for the normal handouts for whatever reason will be offered the "opportunity" to relocate to a distant "Retraining Center" located in distant and difficult to get to locations. Behind barbed wire.
On arrival, after checking in and a brief interview to determine your intermediate status, you will be told that you will have the opportunity to rest and relax in the "Communal" sleep areas. You will of course be required for health reasons to first take a shower before being allowed into the "Communal" areas.
To save water and time, every new arrival takes their arrival shower with all their fellow arrivals in a large and pleasant coed showering area. Towels will be provided upon exit.
Don't worry about those funny looking pipes that lead in from the ceiling. Their function will soon become clear.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 10, 2014 04:47 PM (LSDdO)
time began. But Lena thinks she's discovered something new and must
share it with the puritans who desperately need to know about this
strange 'sex' thing.
Yep. They've been using the same tactic since Genesis 3:5.
Posted by: JohnJ at January 10, 2014 08:37 PM (TF/YA)
I keep saying. When Liquid Plummer is using porn innuendo on television to advertise their products (complete with bad jazz) then the sexual revolution is already won.
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2014 04:48 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 10, 2014 04:48 PM (WdbF7)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:48 PM (KRTiE)
Bread and Circuses.
Sex, pot, and TV.
Same shit. Different regime. Posted by: soothsayer
Sex, booze, and TV. Same shit. Different preferences.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 10, 2014 04:48 PM (9CBig)
Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2014 04:49 PM (zqvg6)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:50 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 04:50 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy at January 10, 2014 04:50 PM (6j8ke)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 10, 2014 04:50 PM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate' at January 10, 2014 04:50 PM (yICtd)
Posted by: UWP at January 10, 2014 04:51 PM (2hQRj)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 04:52 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: Daily Reminder Guy
Chris Hayes is Rachel Maddow's Quatto.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 04:52 PM (tlwVg)
You know Solis massaged the fuck out of the Dec numbers as well...
yeah fucking GOP plot really?
The thing is they cannot be reasoned with or swayed we HAVE to let it burn because they will only respond to pain...and proper application of learning tool.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:53 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2014 04:53 PM (LI48c)
You know what you want, but we know what you need!
Posted by: M Jagger at January 10, 2014 04:54 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 04:54 PM (HBIUw)
Representative Bob Goodlatte drops opposition to AMIGO GRANDE!
That wave election just turned into a flush
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:54 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2014 04:54 PM (ijXVY)
I haven't trusted any number issued by a government agency since Jimmy Carter was President.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 10, 2014 04:55 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 04:55 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 04:56 PM (MMC8r)
That I did not recall...
a year ago...
Damn well it makes sense I quit watching after her fucking 2012 election performance....
I used to watch the briefings I threw a shoe at my TV I use for a monitor and almost broke it when she was passive-aggressive gloating over her hail mary for barry
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:56 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2014 04:57 PM (7kkQJ)
The real crisis in the Republic is well it is a long list but the first two we need to tackle.
1) partisan non-partisan civil service that cheats at the job in partisan ways with impunity
2) media media
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:58 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 08:53 PM (TE35l)
I hope you're right sven. My fear is instead of learning from this people will simply become more bitter and angry at some capitalist boogie man the left has created.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 10, 2014 04:59 PM (WdbF7)
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 10, 2014 04:59 PM (AjiwO)
the they'll go full occutard and well find out if the answer is win, divorce, or diaspora...
at least we'd know.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 04:59 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:00 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:00 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 10, 2014 05:02 PM (7kkQJ)
Yeah...well I am not stupid any deal that says "no citizenship" is one Barry pen flourish or judge away from being worthless.
The GOP passes it I'll use my vote to destroy it and embrace the suck.
I can not have sound fiscal police get fucked over on my policy preferences and have a surveillance super state aimed at my political persuasion without the GOP...
the donks have that covered not that the GOP gives a fuck
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:03 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 10, 2014 05:04 PM (6/+vz)
Overweight and a buther face.
She's a keeper that's for sure.
YOU keeper.
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 08:24 PM
Ok. I find that Dunham chick strangely alluring. She definitely has that certain "something" I look for in chicks. All in all I'd say she's a good fit for me.
Posted by: jame gumb at January 10, 2014 05:04 PM (9gNQd)
pic.twitter.com/lxxtqrtJQD
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 05:06 PM (tlwVg)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 05:07 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 10, 2014 05:09 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: jame gumb at January 10, 2014 09:04 PM (9gNQd)
Size 13?
Posted by: EC at January 10, 2014 05:10 PM (doBIb)
Posted by: Typical Moron at January 10, 2014 05:11 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:11 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:12 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: ScoggDog at January 10, 2014 05:12 PM (6/+vz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:13 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Nanci Pelosi as the Bride of Frankenstein at January 10, 2014 05:13 PM (tcK++)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:13 PM (8YoW+)
They all sorta blur...
it always amazes me how many films the character is in...
he knows a lot of people.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:19 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Sven 10077
I like that one where he plays the surely, working-class Brit, tough guy who is hired to something for someone but he gets set up and all hell breaks loose.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 05:20 PM (tlwVg)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 05:20 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:20 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: toby928© has a dirty joke at January 10, 2014 05:21 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 09:13 PM (8YoW+)
Navycopjoe, is that you?
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 10, 2014 05:22 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2014 05:22 PM (ijXVY)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:22 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 10, 2014 05:22 PM (2TXEZ)
I would gladly let any number of you morons stroke my FUPA! As a matter of fact, a giant gang bang with multiples of swinging cocks would make my day. I'm ready when you are, so mount up boys, and let's get it on! A sweet fuck a day keeps the horns away!
Posted by: Lena Dunham at January 10, 2014 05:23 PM (pJF+c)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:23 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 09:20 PM
Wait... isn't she a great big fat person?
Posted by: jame gumb at January 10, 2014 05:23 PM (9gNQd)
Then he was the stoic working class brit who was an undercover bobbie in the bayou in London and his daughter was involved in something and he interacted with the strange neighborhood folk and then hit somethings
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:23 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 05:24 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: chemjeff
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I can answer that. Caffeine and cigarettes. Oh, you said 'best way'. Never mind.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:24 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: freaked at January 10, 2014 05:25 PM (JdEZJ)
yeah, weft, that's The Bank Job
Posted by: soothsayer
correction: surely, working-class Brit, tough guy with heart of gold...
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 10, 2014 05:25 PM (tlwVg)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 09:20 PM (sdi6R)
Eye of the beholder. I've never understood why some think any woman who weighs more than Olive Oyl is fat.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 10, 2014 05:25 PM (rLJaJ)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:25 PM (KRTiE)
Take some phentermine or a lot of coffee and wait for your heart to explode...I call it the Hypertension Diet Plan
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:26 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: UWP at January 10, 2014 05:27 PM (2hQRj)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 05:27 PM (0FSuD)
That was Jason Statham Action Romance Dramedy Hour...
it was a special on the BBC
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:27 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:27 PM (KRTiE)
Yeah..I need to cut back my carbs and kick my potato addiction
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:28 PM (TE35l)
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Does Lena Dunham know that?
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:29 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 05:29 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:29 PM (KRTiE)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:29 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:30 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:30 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 10, 2014 05:30 PM (tcK++)
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Ant that is when the fight started.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 10, 2014 05:30 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: CDR M at January 10, 2014 05:31 PM (LsJl8)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 05:31 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: --- at January 10, 2014 05:31 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 10, 2014 05:31 PM (tcK++)
Posted by: UWP at January 10, 2014 09:27 PM
I don't wanna ride her. We'll talk and I'll charm her with my wit. I reckon I'll have her in stitches in no time.
Posted by: jame gumb at January 10, 2014 05:31 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2014 05:31 PM (KRTiE)
You're in Aviation M....
you have hollow bones and feathers eh?
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:32 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2014 05:33 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2014 05:33 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:33 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 05:34 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: CDR M at January 10, 2014 05:35 PM (LsJl8)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:36 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:36 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2014 05:37 PM (MhA4j)
I'd hate you too, but I'm fond of Commanders.Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:37 PM (HBIUw)
It's the G training I think...
I lost my metabolism finally...it happens.
You know why they run the hell out of us in the force?
There's 30-75 pounds of fat chasing each of us.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:38 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 05:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:39 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: model_1066 at January 10, 2014 05:39 PM (LIQGY)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:39 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 10, 2014 05:40 PM (VAche)
Posted by: CDR M at January 10, 2014 05:40 PM (LsJl8)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:40 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: rickl at January 10, 2014 05:41 PM (sdi6R)
The Gs come from when you are on deadline...
Woosh! thud
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 10, 2014 05:41 PM (TE35l)
Posted by: Buck The Farmer at January 10, 2014 05:42 PM (eBupg)
Also, do not over exercise!
do you have a recipe for this?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 10, 2014 05:43 PM (2TXEZ)
Posted by: 7 Days in May at January 10, 2014 05:43 PM (j6DTo)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:43 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: filbert at January 10, 2014 05:43 PM (AOUuF)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:44 PM (8YoW+)
Posted by: Nip Sip at January 10, 2014 05:45 PM (0FSuD)
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As usual, we get nuthin...
Posted by: EM everywhere. at January 10, 2014 05:46 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: filbert at January 10, 2014 05:47 PM (AOUuF)
Posted by: Vendette at January 10, 2014 05:48 PM (HBIUw)
Posted by: LizLem at January 10, 2014 05:48 PM (ijXVY)
Posted by: drunken Cubs fan at January 10, 2014 05:50 PM (8YoW+)
Its the crazy. Its good for 1-night stands, not so much long term.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at January 10, 2014 05:52 PM (guzmA)
@192 There has been an ad blitz on the 'net for the show. May have some relevance, percolating the odious show upwards in our shared Zeitgeist.
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"Really? I haven't seen a single ad. Did you read one of the various on-line articles about her today? If so, that might be why you're suddenly seeing a bunch of ads for her show."
That's a joke, right?
Posted by: West at January 10, 2014 05:54 PM (gtiZk)
Posted by: chas at January 10, 2014 06:36 PM (xDCqY)
Posted by: Ian Galt at January 10, 2014 07:15 PM (dmepw)
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The version I heard had Bill and Hillary and Al Gore. Ewww!
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Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at January 10, 2014 02:45 PM (9+ccr)