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February 10, 2014

On The Unjust, Illiberal, Innumerate, And Darn Near Illiterate Case For Socialized Law
— Gabriel Malor

Last week, Noam Scheiber wrote at the New Republic a column advocating for the socialization of law so as to prevent the wealthy from "buying justice." His column was explicitly founded in the claim that "the 99 percent" had a right to the same quality of legal representation as the wealthy. Recognizing that it would be impossible to provide expensive legal aid to every litigant, Scheiber proposed the obvious, but atrocious alternative: if we can't give top tier legal representation to the 99 percent, we should simply deprive the 1 percent of top tier legal representation.

Scheiber employed the rhetoric of rights to suggest that depriving the wealthy of legal representation somehow makes everyone more of a citizen. This was semantic gobbledygook, envy simply re-dressed in the language of liberty. This strikes me as deeply wrong, as I explained over at the Federalist this morning.

A taste:

Â“Too long, didnÂ’t readÂ” is an entirely reasonable response to such rubbish, relying, as it does, on a sketchy recitation of history, a steaming pile of class resentment, a fundamental misapprehension of the purpose for and effect of a legal systemÂ—not to mention the constitutional distinction between civil and criminal proceedingsÂ—and a shamelessly flippant redefinition of the word Â“liberalism.Â”
However, having thought it over for a few days more, I have to confess I was wrong. ScheiberÂ’s article can be quite succinctly summarized: Scheiber doesnÂ’t care a damn thing about justice in this country at all.

Throughout the ages, most religions have rightly condemned envy as a terribly destructive motivator, harmful both to the individual and to the community. The Bible warns of it repeatedly and the thinkers of the Middle Ages elevated (lowered?) it to be one of the Seven Deadly Sins. And yet the modern leftists' embrace of class resentment is nothing more than envy dressed up in the language of virtue.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 09:54 AM | Comments (345)
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1 posted for no particular reason

Posted by: Sphynx at February 10, 2014 09:55 AM (OZmbA)

2 >> And yet the modern leftists' embrace of class resentment is nothing more than envy dressed up in the language of virtue. It's their nature.

Posted by: Andy at February 10, 2014 09:56 AM (OAEPo)

3 The "1%" is truly zero sum. There will always be the top no matter how many people you throw to the bottom. That truth seems to escape the "99 percenters."

Posted by: RS at February 10, 2014 09:57 AM (YAGV/)

4 Envy was straight-up the reason that my lib relatives argued for Obamacare. It is truly a poisonous sin.

Posted by: sunny-dee at February 10, 2014 09:58 AM (bxdmt)

5 Nonsense. I think the article is an important first step.

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 09:58 AM (3ZtZW)

6 I can see a future where Noam Scheiber is on a one-way trip to Gitmo

Posted by: Frankie Goes To Law School at February 10, 2014 09:58 AM (e8kgV)

7 Recognizing that it would be impossible to provide expensive legal aid to every litigant...

What is "pro bono"?

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 09:58 AM (GQ8sn)

8 If not everyone can have $1,000,000, no one should be able to. If not everyone can go to college, no one should be able to. If not everyone can have a job, no one should be able to.

How is that any different?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 10, 2014 09:59 AM (fwARV)

I'm envious of Barack when he gets seconds on pie and I don't. Does that make me a bad person?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 10, 2014 09:59 AM (XxAYS)

10 It's their nature. Posted by: Andy at February 10, 2014 01:56 PM (OAEPo) Almost every one of the 7 sins have been attempted to be flipped. Sloth has become "finding yourself" or "escaping JOB LOCK." Also, at least in some translations, envy is so important as to get two of the Ten Commandments.

Posted by: AMDG at February 10, 2014 09:59 AM (t7OO0)

11 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." Exodus 20:17 (KJV) Nor your neighbor's lawyer.

Posted by: RS at February 10, 2014 09:59 AM (YAGV/)

12 It should be assumed until disproved that anyone named Noam is an America-hating socialist.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2014 10:00 AM (8ZskC)

13 I always say, if you're arrested, you're automatically guilty. What's so hard about this?

Posted by: Nancy disGrace at February 10, 2014 10:00 AM (7ObY1)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:00 AM (PYAXX)

15 7 Washington Nearsider- If every moron isn't allowed to rest in Kate Upton's fluffy pillows, no moron is allowed to.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 10:00 AM (+/C3g)

16 So we can have a Soviet style "justice" system? Wassa matter....you don't like Holder?

Posted by: BignJames at February 10, 2014 10:01 AM (HtUkt)

17 Has anyone on the left argued that John Corzine should be swinging from the end of a rope?

No.

Because they don't really care about justice. Ever.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 10, 2014 10:01 AM (VjL9S)

18 I do have a problem with Justin Bieber and his daddy smoking pot on a private flight to the point where the pilot had to shut the door to prevent inhaling it, and those punks being total dicks to the crew. Then when they landed in NJ, the cops let them go because even when they smelled the reefer and Bieber admitted smoking weed, the cops let them go because "they couldn't find any unsmoked marijuana" Yet if one of us serfs is pulled over and the cop's doggie turns to lick his balls, the cop uses that as a "positive", takes you in for an anal exam, impounds your car, and costs you thousands in legal fees even when no evidence is found Sorry, but justice is one of those things that should be equal

Posted by: kbdabear at February 10, 2014 10:02 AM (aTXUx)

19 If they're going to socialize everything else, why not lawyers? At least when talking about law, they have a valid premise- the rich often *do* receive a different "level" of "justice" than the poor. Which is not to say it should be done, but rather that it's a logical step in the winding path of "Progressivism."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:02 AM (PYAXX)

Equal misery for all.

On the other hand, setting the maximum wage of an attorney to 15.00 / hr sounds pretty good to me. Except they would be billing for 27 hours a day.

Posted by: polynikes at February 10, 2014 10:02 AM (m2CN7)

The whole thing is narrated deadpan, about how to heap restrictions on the functional to ensure that everyone achieves equally. I haven't been able to find it googling, but it seems on point here.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 10:02 AM (A0sHn)

22 I think this is a great idea. Lawyers are mostly a bunch of leftists anyway, let them practice what they preach. Socialize law, make them all public servants, and pay them accordingly.

Posted by: Cornfed at February 10, 2014 10:03 AM (Hoy9u)

23 By the way when the progressives talk about taking anything away from the 1%, they don't mean the 1% that are on the Politburo or own the Dachas's outside of the deteriorating cities.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2014 10:03 AM (t3UFN)

24 Envy. It's whats for Progressive Lefty dinner. Unless it's a rich Prog. Then, hands off, prole!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 10:03 AM (Ryac4)

25 20
Little help from any morons what's learned to read? I remember a George Orwell (I'm pretty sure) piece about a couple whose kid was a good athlete, so the school made him wear a sack of weights, and then when he did well on tests they made him wear glasses that made writing fuzzy or something.

The whole thing is narrated deadpan, about how to heap restrictions on the functional to ensure that everyone achieves equally. I haven't been able to find it googling, but it seems on point here.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 02:02 PM (A0sHn)

It's Kurt Vonnegut, and the story is called Harrison Bergeron. There is a moron here with that nic. I accidentally tried to nab it a few months ago.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (+/C3g)

26 The Marxists have won. We're boned. Permanently.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (JQuNB)

27 I'm so inspired by Scheiber's argument that I'm going to give up my corporate practice to devote my professional efforts to helping fat people get free scooters.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (8ZskC)

28 Little help from any morons what's learned to read? Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch It's a story called Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. I think of it often these days.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (080XV)

29 Cmon guys, work the problem: How are we going to determine which lawyers are incompetant so's we can spread the incompetance around? Sure as Hell, you can't determine that by price alone.

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (3ZtZW)

30 If every moron isn't allowed to rest in Kate Upton's fluffy pillows, no moron is allowed to.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 02:00 PM (+/C3g)

I mean, let's not get carried away....

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (fwARV)

31 @20 You're thinking of "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut.

Posted by: RS at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (YAGV/)

32 Everything that guy just said is bullshit.

Posted by: Vinnie Gambini at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (8ZskC)

33 1. Let's apply lefty logic to this: Pay every lawyer five million a year. Problem solved. 2. Or maybe....just maybe, let's de-lawyer things to the maximum extent possible. I know, crazy to the attorneys here at the 'Q, but for the rest of us, it sounds great. Particularly the parts where we begin not making everything a crime, making losers pay, and removing civil immunities from prosecutors.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (659DL)

34 The alternative is to give everybody five do-overs for deficient or erroneous filings. Then you won't need a lawyer at all. Of course it will take 10 times longer to sue, but, oh well.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (5xmd7)

35 Pay me enough so I can make this happen!

Posted by: John Edwards at February 10, 2014 10:04 AM (bAGA/)

36 I like this Noam guy. Now he just needs to figure out how to work "blows" into his articles.

Posted by: Rolling Stone Editor at February 10, 2014 10:05 AM (Aif/5)

37 Lefties never understand that if you can destroy those on the top, you can easily destroy those on the bottom. It doesn't comfort me to see the top taken out: it creeps me the hell out.

And whenever a Lefty uses the "YOU Righty Christians don't practice Christianity in your politics!" argument I think of how they always, always forget that there's a couple commandments against coveting.

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 10, 2014 10:06 AM (qiXMt)

38 Sorry, but justice is one of those things that should be equal

Posted by: kbdabear at February 10, 2014 02:02 PM (aTXUx)

Blind, yes. Equal? I'm not sure what that means. When mandatory sentencing became the law of the land, those who should have had lenience could not get it, and those who should have been put on death row did not.

Justice is like the media--it blows with whatever wind is passing through the judiciary at the time. There is no such thing as equal justice, since we are people and not machines.

Posted by: tcn at February 10, 2014 10:06 AM (fwcEs)

39
I think we passed "Class Envy" sometime ago and are now firmly ensconced in "Class Hatred". FWIW.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:06 AM (nELVU)

40 Little help from any morons what's learned to read?
Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch

It's a story called Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. I think of it often these days.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at February 10, 2014 02:04 PM (080XV)

There was a movie made too, starring Samwise Gamgee. Had little in common with the short story, except for the themes.

"Instead of pulling everyone up, it's easier to drag them all down."

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:06 AM (GQ8sn)

41 Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 02:02 PM (A0sHn) Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 02:04 PM (+/C3g) Here you go: http://goo.gl/iOQYt2

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at February 10, 2014 10:06 AM (JQuNB)

42 It's Kurt Vonnegut, and the story is called Harrison Bergeron. There is a moron here with that nic. I accidentally tried to nab it a few months ago.

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014

The Horde. Is there anything it can't do?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 10:06 AM (A0sHn)

Last week, Noam Scheiber wrote at the New Republic a column advocating for the socialization of law so as to prevent the wealthy from "buying justice."

Tell me about it, man!

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 10, 2014 10:07 AM (zF6Iw)

44 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 10, 2014 02:04 PM (659DL) Actually, I like that a lot. What better Justice? Keep the law simple enough for lay-persons to understand. Once upon a time, Lawyers (actually: "advocates" at the time- it's the same word in Greek that Jesus uses for the Holy Spirit during the Last Supper) were not people who actually necessarily knew the law any better than you (because the law tended to be fairly straight-forward), but people with enough separation from the situation to help you argue your side logically and persuasively.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:07 AM (PYAXX)

45 I think we passed "Class Envy" sometime ago and are now firmly ensconced in "Class Hatred". With a side orders of economic incoherence and historical ignorance.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 10, 2014 10:07 AM (659DL)

46 The Horde. Is there anything it can't do?

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 02:06 PM (A0sHn)

Write with ampersands?

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 10:08 AM (+/C3g)

47 When is ace going to start posting at The Federalist? Seems like a thing.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 10:08 AM (g1DWB)

Almost every one of the 7 sins have been attempted to be flipped. Sloth has become "finding yourself" or "escaping JOB LOCK." Also, at least in some translations, envy is so important as to get two of the Ten Commandments.

Old and busted: Lust.

New and hot: The heart wants what it wants.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 10:08 AM (zF6Iw)

49 I think there could be an argument to make that a system that depends heavily on the "quality of legal representation" to determine outcomes can't really be called a justice system in any appreciable way. I think Scheiber's coming from more of a typical socialist direction where anyone having more resources than anyone else is terrible, hence the occutard rhetoric and retarded solution to a half-thought through problem. I won't make the argument because I can't immediately think of a better system, but I feel like there's definitely something there.

Posted by: kartoffel at February 10, 2014 10:08 AM (07vvi)

50 Write with ampersands? Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 02:08 PM (+/C3g) Sez you! &&&&&&

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:08 AM (PYAXX)

51 Old and busted: Lust.

New and hot: The heart wants what it wants.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 02:08 PM (zF6Iw)

Thus, the "gay rights" crowd. We now are determined by our lusts, rather than by our personhood.

Posted by: tcn at February 10, 2014 10:09 AM (fwcEs)

52 IsnÂ’t it strange that we have to keep talking about scandals such as the IRS and Fast and Factitious to keep things like the phoney George Zimmerman innocent verdict out of the news !!. If Republicans were good people once that verdict was determined by a rigged jury thatÂ’s what should have been investigated!
Bloggers such as this keep the wrong scandals in the headlines, the IRS scandal
Not these trumped up scandals, and the right people should be punished. The NSA "Scandal" is pretty overblown as well. And first off, it's nothing new and extends back to the Bush administration in it's present form.

But they aren't.
As we already know,Benghazi is a dangerous place to have an embassy. It's not the first time a US embassy has been attacked and it likely won't be the last. We don't have the resources to ensure absolute safety to every US citizen in a foreign land. The administration response was appropriate. The US should not be in the business of occupying countries because of the actions of an unauthorized militia. To blame the President and Mrs. Clinton for it is just wrong!

Zimmerman's successful defense depended on getting jurors to focus on the fight that occurred just before he shot the 17-year-old, unarmed Trayvon Martin, and not on the events that preceded it. The lawyers established doubt about which man screamed for help, as well as other details of the confrontation Â— holes that invited an acquittal under Florida's laws.
But the fact remains that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer and cop wanna-be, instantly identified Trayvon Martin as a "(expletive) punk" who "looks like he's up to no good." The fact remains that Trayvon Martin was doing nothing wrong; he was returning from a snack run at a convenience store, heading for the house of his father's girlfriend. And the fact remains that had Zimmerman stayed in his truck, as advised by the police, Martin would be alive today.
Those facts Â— and the authorities' initial failure to charge Zimmerman Â— inflamed the black community. African Americans saw the case in a way that the jury of six women, five of them white and the other of uncertain ethnicity, probably couldn't. Despite all the nation's progress in burying its racist past, minorities are commonly stopped by authorities Â— or viewed by strangers as "up to no good" Â— for no other reason than the color of their skin.
Consider New York City's "stop and frisk" policy, which allows officers to search anyone they see as suspicious: In 2011, 87% of those stopped were minorities. Or the shooting of three black men who did nothing more than venture into a white New Orleans community days after Hurricane Katrina. Or try to find an African-American man who hasn't been stopped for "driving while black" or eyed suspiciously in a department store.
Yes, Trayvon Martin's story was UN-told. THAT IS THE INJUSTICE!

Posted by: Qestionmann at February 10, 2014 10:09 AM (TS9aB)

53 If they're going to socialize everything else, why not lawyers? At least when talking about law, they have a valid premise- the rich often *do* receive a different "level" of "justice" than the poor. Which is not to say it should be done, but rather that it's a logical step in the winding path of "Progressivism." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 02:02 PM (PYAXX) I frankly prefer the idea that like jurors prosectors are "drafted" from a pool of potential criminal defense attorneys. Mostly because I'm starting to think becoming a prosecutor for too long starts to warp your idea of "justice."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at February 10, 2014 10:09 AM (GaqMa)

54 From what I have seen in law 1 percenters tend to sue other 1 percenters. This just sounds like a way to make all the lawyers crappy so the government can run roughshod over everyone.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 10, 2014 10:09 AM (WdbF7)

55 Sez you!

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Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 02:08 PM (PYAXX)

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Yeah.... but can you do THIS.......

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:09 AM (nELVU)

I would not begrudge anyone the highest quality of representation that they can afford.

However I do believe that Public Defenders should at least be of the same qulaity as the DA, and have the same resources available for the defense.

As a guy who can't afford the Johnny Cochrans of the world with their Chewbacca Defense, I shudder at being at the mercy of the Angela Coreys and Mike Nifongs out there.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 10, 2014 10:10 AM (OJn3e)

57
I'm so glad we have the GOP to give us all a hearty big hand of quality help to keep shit like this from manifesting itself, cuz there simply isn't anyone as conservative as they are, at all.

Paul Ryan will get right on it too, he can be counted on for a shit-ton of quality help.

We need more politicians like him, because he is great, so great it boggles the mind.

They are on our side, totally.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Christies at February 10, 2014 10:10 AM (xggaJ)

58 Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 02:09 PM (nELVU) I can't get the green one (not sure which symbols to use), but I can get smileys:

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:10 AM (PYAXX)

59 What if we judged the action instead of the person? "You lied, killed, or defrauded. You are guilty." instead of "Look what your oppressors made you do! You poor victim! Let's punish those people you are blaming your poor decisions on!"

Posted by: Mindy at February 10, 2014 10:10 AM (mQwL2)

>>>We now are determined by our lusts, rather than by our personhood.

I really am nothing more than a Reese's PB Cup luster-afterer

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:10 AM (3ZtZW)

61 Heterosexuals have marriage (by definition man and woman) but let's make it fair by socializing it (i.e. anyone can get married): GOOD Rich people get better legal representation, let's make it fair by socializing it: BAD (mainly because I am a lawyer)

Posted by: Chris at February 10, 2014 10:10 AM (gQmg/)

62 Write with ampersands?

Posted by: Virginia SoCon at February 10, 2014 02:08 PM (+/C3g

&&&&&&&&&&

*ahem*

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 10, 2014 10:11 AM (6T8Ay)

63 WOO!!! METH!!!!

Posted by: Qestionman at February 10, 2014 10:11 AM (Aif/5)

64 I'm 6'2" tall. I worry about the day when some idiot calls for redistribution of height. (I'm looking at you Robert Reich.)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 10, 2014 10:11 AM (g4TxM)

65 If you like your attorney, you can keep your attorney?

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)

66 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 02:10 PM (PYAXX)

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Nope... its gotta be green.....

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:11 AM (nELVU)

67 I really am nothing more than a Reese's PB Cup luster-afterer

::: shifty eyes :::

Milk or Dark Chocolate?

Posted by: Sean Bannion [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 10, 2014 10:12 AM (6T8Ay)

68 Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 02:11 PM (nELVU) Is this where I say "D*mn You PIXIE!!!!"?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:12 AM (PYAXX)

69 Or, maybe just arrange for the best lawyers to work pro bono on every tenth case they take. Or rotate firms through the public defender system. Or set up clinics and require every lawyer to work in them in order to get re-licensed. Or something that isn't actually destructive.

Posted by: joncelli at February 10, 2014 10:12 AM (RD7QR)

70 Milk or Dark Chocolate? Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 10, 2014 02:12 PM (6T8Ay) Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:12 AM (PYAXX)

71 Oh, look at that, someone using Saint Trayvon as the poster child of what is wrong with America. Let's discuss gang violence. Black on Black, Hispanic on Hispanic, for a moment shall we? Hundreds upon hundreds of Trayvon's a year...and you are worried aobut stop and frisk.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 10, 2014 10:12 AM (659DL)

72 How about if not everyone can't write visciously stupid claptrap for the New Republic, no one can.

Posted by: Heralder at February 10, 2014 10:12 AM (/Mxso)

73 Oh yeah, socialized law. What are they going to call that? Oh I got it..."ObamaCouncel" When I'm in deep legal doo doo, a starry eyed , inexperienced "public pretender" who will plead a person off in a heartbeat is exactly what I am looking for.

Posted by: Ghost of John Gotti at February 10, 2014 10:13 AM (cCxiu)

74 So how would this work - would the government come up with an official list of who qualifies for that 1% penalty, and would it be published and updated daily? What if someone's status as 1% changed during the trial - would they lose their counsel?
Who are we kidding, we already know that the Kochs would be 1% but FOO's like Zuckerberg and Soros would find some "loophole" to manage to stay off the list of Emmanuel Goldbergs,er - 1%ers.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 10, 2014 10:13 AM (POpqt)

75 I wish we were still talking about pie. Or even cobbler.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 10, 2014 10:13 AM (XxAYS)

76 Yes. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 02:12 PM (PYAXX)

Well, you're weak, spineless, a man of temptations. But what tempts you? You're a portly fellow. A bit long in the waistband. So what's your pleasure? Is it the salty snacks you crave? No no no no... Yours is a sweet tooth. Oh, you may stray, but you'll always return to your dark master... The cocoa bean!

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer [/i][/s][/u][/b] at February 10, 2014 10:13 AM (6T8Ay)

A rich guy walks into a bar and orders justice.

The bartender brings him a high priced attorney.

Posted by: polynikes at February 10, 2014 10:13 AM (m2CN7)

78 Posted by: Ghost of John Gotti at February 10, 2014 02:13 PM (cCxiu) But aren't Gotti (and John Jr) perfect examples of "the rich" buying off justice instead of having justice done?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 10:14 AM (PYAXX)

79 Every time you turn around, some nutter is trying to push communism. WTF is up with that? Assholes.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 10, 2014 10:14 AM (NRYdU)

80 I'm reminded of Thatcher's denunciation of one particular critic, when she pointed out that he'd be perfectly okay with reducing inequality by destroying the top, instead of bringing the bottom up... and that's what's wrong with the Left. They don't care if they help anybody, as long as they get to bring the wealthy down to their level.

Posted by: Cato at February 10, 2014 10:14 AM (i+Vw2)

81 Every time you turn around, some nutter is trying to push communism. WTF is up with that? Assholes.

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 10, 2014 02:14 PM (NRYdU)

No, no, you got this wrong. It really will work this time. Swearsies.

Posted by: tcn at February 10, 2014 10:15 AM (fwcEs)

52: "I frankly prefer the idea that like jurors prosectors are "drafted" from a pool of potential criminal defense attorneys."

I rather like that solution. It may even be workable. It would certainly lower the media whoring and office priming.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 10, 2014 10:15 AM (Kh+vp)

83 Noam, gei tree zich. Du bist a mamzer kapo.

Posted by: Avi at February 10, 2014 10:15 AM (p/izY)

84 I'm reminded of Thatcher's denunciation of one particular critic, when she pointed out that he'd be perfectly okay with reducing inequality by destroying the top, instead of bringing the bottom up... and that's what's wrong with the Left. They don't care if they help anybody, as long as they get to bring the wealthy down to their level.

Posted by: Cato at February 10, 2014 02:14 PM (i+Vw2)

See #39.

"Instead of pulling everyone up, it's easier to drag them all down."

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:15 AM (GQ8sn)

85 opps - tren zich

Posted by: Avi at February 10, 2014 10:15 AM (p/izY)

86 First, we kill all the lawyers....

Posted by: tcn at February 10, 2014 10:16 AM (fwcEs)

87 Nor your neighbor's lawyer.

Posted by: RS at February 10, 2014 01:59 PM (YAGV/)

They covered that: "nor his ass".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2014 10:16 AM (pFqpP)

88 Why, it's almost as if there were good reasons for that whole "Thou shall not covet" thing.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 10, 2014 10:16 AM (SY2Kh)

89 But aren't Gotti (and John Jr) perfect examples of "the rich" buying off justice instead of having justice done? Senior died in prison. Junior did time, so they are probably not good examples. Jon Corzine? NOW WE'RE TALKING.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 10, 2014 10:16 AM (659DL)

90 But aren't Gotti (and John Jr) perfect examples of "the rich" buying off justice instead of having justice done?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 10, 2014 02:14 PM (PYAXX)

I think they're examples of 'violence and the threat of violence preventing justice'.

And even in these cases, I'd prefer to see the guilty go free dozens of times (OJ, Casey Anthony) than to see a single guilty person imprisoned.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 10, 2014 10:17 AM (fwARV)

We need to apply this to the military, too. Obviously, we have much better outcomes than most of the militaries out there - I'd say we're at the top 1% of the world's militaries, in fact.

Now, if we could have outcomes equal to, say, the Syrian Army, it would go a long way towards balancing out this completely unfair whateveryouwannacallit.

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:17 AM (3ZtZW)

92
I guess dumbass wants everybody to bring their tax docs to court.

Which is my way of saying liberals never ever think thru their dumbass ideas to actual enforcement or just plain pragmatism.

Posted by: Jason Collins at February 10, 2014 10:17 AM (n0DEs)

93 Wait...what?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 10:17 AM (euACX)

...and you are worried aobut stop and frisk.

I do worry about stop and frisk. Even the judgette in NYC who ordered a review said it was wrong for the wrong reasons. (It's applied in a discriminatory fashion so it disproportionately impacts minorities).

The right reason to oppose it is this: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 10:18 AM (A0sHn)

95 WN please tell me you left outsomething there.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 10:18 AM (euACX)

96 We need to apply this to the military, too. Obviously, we have much better outcomes than most of the militaries out there - I'd say we're at the top 1% of the world's militaries, in fact.

Now, if we could have outcomes equal to, say, the Syrian Army, it would go a long way towards balancing out this completely unfair whateveryouwannacallit.

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 02:17 PM (3ZtZW)

It's called "ROE", rules of engagement.

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:18 AM (GQ8sn)

Its anectdotal but I've seen numerous examples of non wealthy people beat the rap and wealthy people going to prison. Martha Stewart wants her money back.

Posted by: polynikes at February 10, 2014 10:18 AM (m2CN7)

98 In totes unrelated news, Obama considering expanding drone strike targets to Americans abroad. Say, you don't think Obama wants to just chuck the whole idea of trials, do you?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 10, 2014 10:18 AM (POpqt)

99 Now, if we could have outcomes equal to, say, the Syrian Army -------- We're doing our best!

Posted by: King Barakakan I at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (Aif/5)

100 What we NEED is a simpler body of law, and better jury selection, so that lawyering doesn't have to be a high-skill occupation anymore

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (iQxYV)

101 The FSA is in control now. I'm looking at anything as possible now.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (WjEUF)

102

Anyway, the whole inequality of justice enchilada?

That's why religious people believe there's Perfect Justice in the next world. Clearly, this is Yet Another Way to chip away at Teh Faithful.

/shit-stirring

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (3ZtZW)

103 Affordable Legal Protection And Counselor Act. ALPACA

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (g4TxM)

104 The real question is why we're at around 100 comments on a lawyer thread and still no appearance yet by Amishdude. Is he ok?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (0jFxY)

105

95: "It's called "ROE", rules of engagement."

Proportional response and all that.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (LJpVo)

106 I'm looking at anything as possible now.

Zombo.com

Anything is possible!

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)

107

Perhaps if I stand on my head, Scheiber's argument will make sense.

* stands on head*

Nope, still completely idiotic and incomprehensible.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at February 10, 2014 10:20 AM (NSh5j)

108 ...so that lawyering doesn't have to be a high-skill occupation anymore *** I LOL'ed.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 10, 2014 10:20 AM (g4TxM)

109 20
Little help from any morons what's learned to read? I remember a George Orwell (I'm pretty sure) piece about a couple whose kid was a good athlete, so the school made him wear a sack of weights, and then when he did well on tests they made him wear glasses that made writing fuzzy or something.

Vonnegut short story

Posted by: real joe at February 10, 2014 10:20 AM (Z2QrI)

110 WN please tell me you left outsomething there.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 02:18 PM (euACX)

??

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 10, 2014 10:21 AM (fwARV)

111 In totes unrelated news, Obama considering expanding drone strike targets to Americans abroad. Say, you don't think Obama wants to just chuck the whole idea of trials, do you?

--

Due Process...it's only applicable with Republican presidents.

Posted by: Lady in Black, hording TP for the coming SC snowpocalypse at February 10, 2014 10:21 AM (Oa7B2)

112 I actually agree with the socialist. The judge should be a servant of the jury. The jury should hear all motions, make all decisions about allowing evidence. A judge is a lawyer, he speaks the secret language of lawyers. You need a lawyer just to translate for you. If the power of the judge devolves back to the jury, then regular people can defend themselves again.

Posted by: dustydog at February 10, 2014 10:21 AM (Rqd+i)

113 With Socialism, no one is wealthy so all you have to blame are the powerful...which I guess works because the powerful can make you disappear.

Posted by: Rob in Katy at February 10, 2014 10:21 AM (gdGJ1)

114 The Left would just say the religion's proscriptions against envy were just the Ruling Class of the time trying to convince the poor that being jealous was a sin so they'd stay in their place. When you say, hey, every society and religion warns against envy they would say, of course they do! What better to keep the masses in place than to convince them that being angry about being a downtrodden peasant is a sin!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 10, 2014 10:21 AM (ZPrif)

115 Zombo.com. lol

Posted by: Mister Christopher at February 10, 2014 10:22 AM (uI7aJ)

116 Can't wait for lawyers' oxen to get gored. I'll have to call a doctor about my schadenboner.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 10, 2014 10:22 AM (0jFxY)

117 @77, of course they are. But they are also examples of getting the best representation available. The legal system has problems, but this idea will be about as good for legal represntation as the ACA was for health care. I can see it now. Plaintiff- "I want to sue the government!" "Lawyers are Us"- please meet your government appointed attorney. I'm sure this is going to work out well for everyone.

Posted by: Ghost of John Gotti at February 10, 2014 10:22 AM (cCxiu)

118 Zombo.com. lol

Posted by: Mister Christopher at February 10, 2014 02:22 PM (uI7aJ)

It's been around since forever. Maybe even before Vic!

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

119 Why are there Brits and Scandis on my tv worshipping discs sliding across an ice rink?

Posted by: Adam at February 10, 2014 10:23 AM (Aif/5)

120

Example of high priced shitty representation.

Vincent Fuller, Mike Tyson's attorney during his rape trial.

Posted by: polynikes at February 10, 2014 10:23 AM (m2CN7)

121 ?? Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 10, 2014 02:21 PM (fwARV) Did you mean not guilty somewhere in that statement?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 10:23 AM (euACX)

122 There are some hotties on the British ice shuffleboard team. They could come sweep my house any old day.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 10:23 AM (g1DWB)

123 Did you mean not guilty somewhere in that statement?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 02:23 PM (euACX)

Dammit.

Yes. I'd rather see dozens of guilty people walk than one innocent person go to prison.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 10, 2014 10:25 AM (fwARV)

124 Heterosexuals have marriage (by definition man and woman) but let's make it fair by socializing it (i.e. anyone can get married): GOOD

Which is bullshit. Even after society has been changed to recognize gay "marriage, there is still no "fairness" because still not everyone can get married.

Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 10:25 AM (ZKzrr)

125 How is it courageous to tell everyone and his brother that you like it up the pooper? Courageous? How about defeatist? "Look, everyone, I've given up trying to be a fine upstanding citizen and have fallen to the lowest of my basest urges." This is NOT a role model for children, but hey, society has fallen so far, as well, so good is bad and bad is good.

Posted by: tcn at February 10, 2014 01:58 PM (fwcEs)

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The only reason they're introducing this now is that the all the camps' locations have been established and are now being surveyed.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 10:26 AM (WjEUF)

126 The real question is why we're at around 100 comments on a lawyer thread and still no appearance yet by Amishdude.

Monday after lunch; he might be working.

Yeah, I know.

Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 10:26 AM (ZKzrr)

127 Is he ok?

I think he has one of those job thingies.

Posted by: eleven at February 10, 2014 10:26 AM (KXm42)

128

Posted by: Qestionmann at February 10, 2014 02:09 PM (TS9aB)

Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 10:27 AM (zF6Iw)

129 If there's single payer healthcare, why not have single-payer legal representation? At least the right to an attorney is Constitutional. It wasn't brought out in a twisted Scotus decision, it's there in plain English.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at February 10, 2014 10:27 AM (YmPwQ)

130 Envy has always been presented as virtue, its always wrapped in self justification and lies to make it seem proper. Nobody is just envious and honest about it, they always have their reasons that try to make it seem okay.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 10, 2014 10:28 AM (zfY+H)

131 126 Is he ok? I think he has one of those job thingies. Posted by: eleven at February 10, 2014 02:26 PM (KXm42) He's joblocked? Say it ain't so!

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at February 10, 2014 10:28 AM (JQuNB)

132 It matters who your attorney is. The power of the State is overwhelming. I believe that there are a lot of people incarcerated because they simply did not have the resources to put up an effective defense. And by that I mean that there are people innocent of the charges of which they were convicted sitting in jail. It isn't fair. At all. But this - like most socialized solutions - is a major fail. And is exactly the sort of thing a statist would prefer.

Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2014 10:28 AM (4+AaH)

133

Amishdude has been served a Cease and Desist order

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:28 AM (3ZtZW)

134

For fuck's sake. Can we knock it off with the gay hate? If you don't want it up your poop shoot, fine, don't do it. How on God's green earth is it any business of yours whether someone enjoys something that you don't?

Also, manners. Your host for this thread is a gay American. Please don't shit on his carpet.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 10:28 AM (A0sHn)

135 I sympathize with curling. In my house too there is frequently a lot of yelling involved in getting my girls to wield a broom

Posted by: votermom at February 10, 2014 10:29 AM (FCHPk)

136 >>> Cocaine's a hell of a drug. Purple drank is better.

Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 10:29 AM (Ua6T/)

137
A couple of hot women curlers on the tup right now. One particular Canuck has eyes of awesome.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 10, 2014 10:29 AM (n0DEs)

138 If I can't have it, no one else can, either. Let me make myself perfectly clear. If you can't have it, I can. Because I could.

Posted by: PrezNitwit at February 10, 2014 10:29 AM (MhA4j)

139 How about we just put a limit on how much a lawyer can charge, sort of like the minimum wage? Or just nationalized fixed pricing?
That would kill this idea dead faster than anything else.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 10, 2014 10:29 AM (POpqt)

140 121 There are some hotties on the British ice shuffleboard team. They could come sweep my house any old day. I was up half the night watching curling. Can't help it, it's like I get hypnotized by curling.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:29 AM (7ObY1)

141 Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

Purple drank is better.

Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 02:29 PM (Ua6T/)

Wasn't it "lean"?

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)

142 How is it courageous to tell everyone and his brother that you like it up the pooper? Yeah? You try it.

Posted by: Anne Hathaway at February 10, 2014 10:30 AM (4+AaH)

143
oops, not Canuck, Brit.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 10, 2014 10:30 AM (n0DEs)

144 John 12:8 "You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me."

Posted by: Mainah at February 10, 2014 10:30 AM (659DL)

145 >>> Also, manners. Your host for this thread is a gay American. Please don't shit on his carpet. He is also a lawyer.

Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 10:30 AM (Ua6T/)

146 Gabriel is ghey? I did not know that. Nor did I want to.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:31 AM (7ObY1)

147

It is unfair that Noam Scheiber can write for TNR and I can't - I want that redistributed equally also. I'll be in charge of the semi-colons.

And I want pixy to equally distribute the ampersands!!&!!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 10, 2014 10:31 AM (hLRSq)

148 There was Canadian skater chick a couple of nights ago doing her program in all black, looking like a goth skater.

Anyone remember her or her name?

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:31 AM (GQ8sn)

149 If you don't want it up your poop shoot, fine, don't do it. How on God's green earth is it any business of yours whether someone enjoys something that you don't?

----

That what I keep asking gay folks, like this football player. Yet, they insist on telling me.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at February 10, 2014 10:31 AM (YmPwQ)

150 Have any sites like Breitbart run an exposÃ© on the boiler room Lefty poster machines? The outfits that pay idiots to post gibberish all over the net pushing talking points or Soros Global Initiative ideas? Would love to see a film or at least an insider story. BTW to be on topic, didn't they make Man O War run with lead weights so heavy it nearly injured him?

Posted by: Daybrother at February 10, 2014 10:31 AM (RMBbw)

151

Also, manners. Your host for this thread is a gay American. Please don't shit on his carpet.

So.

What?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Manager's Special on Republican-brand Perfidy! at February 10, 2014 10:32 AM (hLRSq)

152 After I watched some of the OJ trial I could never imagine why anyone would want to be a lawyer.

I found it hellishly boring.

Posted by: eleven at February 10, 2014 10:32 AM (KXm42)

153 That what I keep asking gay folks, like this football player. Yet, they insist on telling me. ------- Oh stop making sense.

Posted by: Adam at February 10, 2014 10:32 AM (Aif/5)

154 Another patch of AGW heading toward Atlanta. Heh.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 10:32 AM (WjEUF)

155

He is also a lawyer.

Well, you don't have to be polite about that. Lawyering is a matter of choice.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 10:32 AM (A0sHn)

156

Can we knock it off with the gay hate?

Gay is boring. Is that hateful?

Gays are boring. They're two dimensional cut outs of real people that have much fuller lives not centered around what goes up their butt or down their throat. I wish they'd shut up mostly because they bore the shit out of me going on like broken, screechy records.

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:33 AM (3ZtZW)

157 149 Have any sites like Breitbart run an exposÃ© on the boiler room Lefty poster machines? Not that I know of, but I've been waiting for that expose for years now. If only we had some profession in this country, whose job it would be to investigate news stories and report on them. That would be awesome.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:33 AM (7ObY1)

158 The lawyers that run congress don't seem to have a big problem socializing medicine or anything else that they can get mitts on. Why shouldn't their profession get a taste of it too?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 10:33 AM (P/gm7)

159 I'd love nothing more than for lawyers to get stuck in the big pile of poo that would be socialized law. As long as it's like socialized medicine - in that it destroys the level of income generated by the doctors and gives it to the state and binds them up in massive and unnecessary paperwork. but since the lawyers write the law it'll be nothing more than legalized theft from the taxpayers.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 10, 2014 10:33 AM (0cMkb)

160 I didn't read the Sheiber article, but going on what Gabe reported: I like how the solution is not to think of ways to improve the lot of the 99%, which would take real creativity and work, but is how to screw the 1% over, which is easy to do. I propose that Scheiber's lifestyle be reduced to that of the poorest welfare recipient. He should have his house and all his fancy stuff (including his connections) taken away.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at February 10, 2014 10:34 AM (r+7wo)

161 153 Yep, with the added bonus of plenty of ice through Wednesday. Yippee for us.........

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 10, 2014 10:34 AM (ojnk6)

162 This is really pretty funny - you do NOT want to get on the wrong side of the Legal Establishment. Now they may be overwhelmingly liberal, but anyone who tries to mess around with their bread and butter (ie, rich, stupid clients) is gonna find themselves thrown in jail faster than they can say "please reduce my bail!!!" Why Jail? Because dat's how day roll!!! (you might think I'm kidding, but you gotta remember who built this system, and who it is intended to "protect" more than anyone else. Hint: it ain't citizens or "voters")

Posted by: Slowpoke Rodriguez at February 10, 2014 10:34 AM (8Fa5Z)

163 You shall not covet... anything that is your neighbor's.

Posted by: tmitsss at February 10, 2014 10:34 AM (7Rx8v)

164

You keep using the word "hate." I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 10:34 AM (zF6Iw)

165

I don't know that socialized law is so far-fetched, but perhaps a better solution would be socialized law school.

Let's have an Executive Order or something, where the Prezzie declares your law degree from East Southern Idaho State to be the same as mine from Haaaahvad.

Instant 1% for everybody!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:35 AM (TOk1P)

166 Planned Parenthood CEO: Â“Women NeedÂ” Abortions For ValentineÂ’s DayÂ… Just a tad morbid. Weasel Zippers: Not to mention vile and disgusting

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2014 10:35 AM (t3UFN)

167
The Brit hottie is named Muirhead. I have no doubt the horde can use that info along with teh internet to good ends.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 10, 2014 10:36 AM (n0DEs)

168 For fuck's sake. Can we knock it off with the gay hate? If you don't want it up your poop shoot, fine, don't do it. How on God's green earth is it any business of yours whether someone enjoys something that you don't? Then stop shoving that shit in my face!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 10, 2014 10:36 AM (t3UFN)

169 The lawyers that run congress don't seem to have a big problem socializing medicine or anything else that they can get mitts on. Why shouldn't their profession get a taste of it too?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 02:33 PM (P/gm7)

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Because STFU, that's why.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 10:36 AM (WjEUF)

170
1. Gabe doesnt need defending. Being gay does not require one to rush his aide.

2. It's spelled "chute".

3. If its really "none of my business".... stop telling me.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:36 AM (nELVU)

171

Let's have an Executive Order or something, where the Prezzie declares your law degree from East Southern Idaho State to be the same as mine from Haaaahvad.

=====================

They're both JDs - they're the same thing!

/o wait

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:36 AM (3ZtZW)

172 See the violence inherit in the system.

Posted by: Dennis at February 10, 2014 10:37 AM (WiFE1)

173 165 Planned Parenthood CEO: Â“Women NeedÂ” Abortions For ValentineÂ’s DayÂ… -- They should sell chocolate dipped baby parts for VD

Posted by: votermom at February 10, 2014 10:37 AM (GSIDW)

174 Eve Muirhead And she can sweep my stones any time she wants.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:38 AM (7ObY1)

175 "inherent"

Posted by: Dennis at February 10, 2014 10:38 AM (WiFE1)

176 Read title, checked byline, laughed.

Posted by: --- at February 10, 2014 10:38 AM (MMC8r)

177

171 you mean

"see, the vileness inheriting the system?"

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:38 AM (3ZtZW)

178 Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living...

Choose your lawyer like jury duty. Have 'em sit around at the court house and wait to be assigned by lot numbers.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 10, 2014 10:38 AM (KQp38)

179 Yeah, but I figured AmishDude would have sensed that there was a thread about lawyers written by a lawyer so he would have stopped in the middle of a multi-variable equation to release his anger.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 10, 2014 10:39 AM (0jFxY)

180 They should sell chocolate dipped baby parts for VD Discharge for Chocolate

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 10:39 AM (11K5j)

181 I've read it that envy is in a sense the most miserable of sins, because it's the only one from which the sinner cannot derive any pleasure while committing it.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 10:39 AM (X3GkB)

182 Clearly what we need is socialized cooch. It's not fair that dudes born into better families get the hot chicks. Perhaps a centralized system that only lets you bang one hot chick every 6 months so that the poor, ugly, scrawny loser dudes get a chance? There is nothing more unequal in distribution than hot chicks. Buddy of mine, born into a wealthy family, has, as far as I can tell, had nothing but an endless stream of super hot girlfriends his entire life. Clearly unfair! I got another buddy who, as far as I can tell, can't get anything but ugly chicks. Mostly cause he's kinda fat and poor and has bad teeth cause he was born into a poor family. Unfair! Unfairness! Unequal hot cooch distribution!!

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at February 10, 2014 10:39 AM (ZPrif)

183 I wonder what the demographics look like for readers of TNR. Maybe rich people should have to read People, too. Or US.

Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2014 10:39 AM (4+AaH)

184 There was Canadian skater chick a couple of nights ago doing her program in all black, looking like a goth skater.

You're not getting my Man CardÂ™ that easily.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 10, 2014 10:39 AM (t8ySh)

185

170 -

Yup... I'm seeing a whole new opportunity for the affirmative action folks.

Until there are as many ESI State grads in Congress, as many in the Appelate courts, and the assorted other places the Ivy League types tend to gather, we need a quota system.

It's only fair.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:40 AM (TOk1P)

186 Forget Amishdude, I'm surprised no Stormfront trolls have stopped by to remind us that this exemplar of bad thinking is "Noam Scheiber".

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2014 10:40 AM (B/VB5)

187 You're not getting my Man CardÂ™ that easily.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 10, 2014 02:39 PM (t8ySh)

So you DID watch?

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:40 AM (GQ8sn)

188 There was Canadian skater chick a couple of nights ago doing her program in all black, looking like a goth skater. EoJ will know.

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 10:40 AM (11K5j)

189 Unfair! Unfairness! Unequal hot cooch distribution!! Fairness In Cooch Act Oh wait, FICA is already taken...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:40 AM (7ObY1)

190

There was Canadian skater chick a couple of nights ago doing her program in all black, looking like a goth skater.

Anyone remember her or her name?

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 02:31 PM (GQ8sn)

Don't remember the name, but I said to Mrs. P, "She looks so goth, I bet she shits bats."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 10:41 AM (zF6Iw)

191 After I watched some of the OJ trial I could never imagine why anyone would want to be a lawyer. I found it hellishly boring. There are many hellishly boring jobs. Try maintaining old code that is strung together with bailing wire, wrapped in duct tape, and will never ever ever look good on a resume. What, you have expertise in THAT? Nobody has tried anything that stupid in 30 years!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 10:41 AM (44jNh)

192

178 -

You don't stop in the middle of multi-variable equations.

Duh, everybody knows that.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:42 AM (TOk1P)

193
Its as if women have all the cooch.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 10, 2014 10:42 AM (n0DEs)

194

Little help from any morons what's learned to read? I remember a George Orwell (I'm pretty sure) piece about a couple whose kid was a good athlete, so the school made him wear a sack of weights, and then when he did well on tests they made him wear glasses that made writing fuzzy or something.

The whole thing is narrated deadpan, about how to heap restrictions on the functional to ensure that everyone achieves equally. I haven't been able to find it googling, but it seems on point here.

I remember a Kurt Vonnegut novella with that plotline.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 10, 2014 10:42 AM (Xmw9g)

195 I listened to a clip of Michael Sam's interview last night, and he actually was pretty humble and had a sense of perspective about it. He had an older brother who was murdered and a sister who died as a newborn so Michael said coming out was pretty minor in terms of difficulty and discomfort for him.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 10:43 AM (X3GkB)

196 That, and I figure Amish Dude is busy fighting off the chicks, after his "fame" from last week.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:43 AM (TOk1P)

197 Kaetlyn "Not related to Donnie and Marie" Osmond was the goth skater chick.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:43 AM (7ObY1)

198 131 It matters who your attorney is. The power of the State is overwhelming. I believe that there are a lot of people incarcerated because they simply did not have the resources to put up an effective defense. And by that I mean that there are people innocent of the charges of which they were convicted sitting in jail. It isn't fair. At all. But this - like most socialized solutions - is a major fail. And is exactly the sort of thing a statist would prefer. Posted by: blaster at February 10, 2014 02:28 PM (4+AaH) Agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just too wrongs. Jumping from the frying pan into the fire isn't smart, no matter how many fire times. Ace wrote over the weekend (common ground for Tea Party growth/endurance post) that constitutional integrity is NOT common ground nationally. I disagree with that. If an American is so obtuse as to deny me Constitutional Governance, whatever "else" we agree on has no foundation and will fail, no matter how much tax funds and how many years are spent (achieving fraud and corruption). Either we all are equal under the Law or there is no agreement. Since eugenics, the legitimate concerns regarding "social justice" or human rights (equality for all, regardless of ethnicity, creed, educational or economic status) was hijacked by the "opposite game" Leftists demanding that laws be passed to stipulate that some people are "more special" than other people are (reverse discrimination is NOT confined to ethnicity).

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 10:44 AM (MhA4j)

199 It's Kaetlyn Osmond! Here's a pic of her telling me why she can't be with me:

http://tinyurl.com/m786pbt

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

200 Eve Muirhead I find this woman's name strangely appealing.

Posted by: Craven Moorehead at February 10, 2014 10:44 AM (JQuNB)

201 He had an older brother who was murdered and a sister who died as a newborn so Michael said coming out was pretty minor in terms of difficulty and discomfort for him.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 02:43 PM (X3GkB)

I think he also had another brother that "disapperared". And I think two other brothers are in prison.

The dudes definitely overcome alot.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:45 AM (nELVU)

202 194 ...Michael said coming out was pretty minor in terms of difficulty and discomfort for him. Yeah I bet it was. So hard to "come out" what with all the shout-outs from The Preezy and Tweets from the First Lady, and the entire MFM cheering him on. Coming out as a conservative in my family...now THAT was difficult and discomforting.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)

203 Things don't seem to make sense. Sometimes I see things get left out, and... they don't fit. People don't seem to see them. Or they don't know what to do. Sometimes I - Sometimes a little - a little adjustment - can make all the difference.

Posted by: SEN 5241 at February 10, 2014 10:45 AM (i+I1A)

204 Kaetlyn "Not related to Donnie and Marie" Osmond was the goth skater chick.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 02:43 PM (7ObY1)

---------------------------------------------------

I'd still like to nail Marie Osmond.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 10:46 AM (WjEUF)

205 How does one get stuff in the sidebar? Found this Michael Totten piece on Che Guevera on Instapundit. Should be required reading in all college dorm rooms: http://tinyurl.com/nvlnvoj

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 10, 2014 10:46 AM (TGgNi)

206

Eve Muirhead

I find this woman's name strangely appealing.

Posted by: Craven Moorehead at February 10, 2014 02:44 PM (JQuNB)

What, I'm not good enough for you?

Posted by: Dr. Holly Goodhead at February 10, 2014 10:46 AM (zF6Iw)

207 Qestionmann is a zombie troll. Climbed out of the graveyard of trolls past for another shot at fame and misfortune, but mostly misfortune.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 10, 2014 10:46 AM (pFqpP)

208 Northernlurker, it's Harrison Bergeron (a nick oft socked here- might be a regular actually) and the author was Kurt Vonnegut, before he became a David Irving fanboi in "slaughterhouse five"

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 10, 2014 10:46 AM (iQxYV)

209

201 -

That, and if he DOESN'T get drafted 4th round or better, and make an active roster this fall, he'll have grounds to sue.

And you know the NFL will roll over for him.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:47 AM (TOk1P)

210 198 It's Kaetlyn Osmond! Here's a pic of her telling me why she can't be with me: Heh heh. It's the universal hand signal for assholes who tailgate you.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:47 AM (7ObY1)

211 Wish I'd noticed this thread sooner. I've been pointing out for quite awhile that the US Constitution doesn't guarantee equality in life but for one thing. It does guarantee equal protection of the laws. This being the case, before we socialize medicine, we ought to socialize the legal system. If all lawyers work for a government check, there will be fewer interested in litigating, and the rich will get the same quality of legal representation as the poor.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 10:47 AM (bb5+k)

212 198 It's Kaetlyn Osmond! Here's a pic of her telling me why she can't be with me: -------- Eve said the same thing to me! http://tinyurl.com/puqh55x

Posted by: Adam at February 10, 2014 10:47 AM (Aif/5)

213
Eve and her team just got rocked by the scandi heavy Swedes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 10, 2014 10:48 AM (n0DEs)

214 EC, she's also probably too young for you, unless you like teenagers.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 10, 2014 10:48 AM (GwLJQ)

215 If they apply this to girlfriends, will we all wind up with women that look like Hillary Clinton?

Posted by: OCBill at February 10, 2014 10:48 AM (rFipM)

216 And yet the modern leftists' embrace of class resentment is nothing more than envy dressed up in the language of virtue.
***
Most modern leftwing virtues are traditionally understood as vices.

Infanticide, covetousness, theft, etc...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 10, 2014 10:48 AM (P3U0f)

217 EC, she's also probably too young for you, unless you like teenagers.

LOL! My stepson sure noticed!

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)

218 I've been pointing out for quite awhile that the US Constitution doesn't guarantee equality in life but for one thing.

And our society has devolved away from that.

Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 10:48 AM (ZKzrr)

219 Good on Mr. Sam for overcoming adversity

So now, I need to celebrate the fact that he likes to put his junk in a hole full of feces. Okay, maybe he just enjoys oral. Is that TMI?

Can't win for losing.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (YmPwQ)

220

It's Kaetlyn Osmond! Here's a pic of her telling me why she can't be with me

Grandfather P used to say, "son, ten inches of wallet beats ten inches of cock any day."

Posted by: Dr. Holly Goodhead at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (zF6Iw)

221 Is Eve going for the Debby Harry look, circa 1977? Or did she just forget to dye the hair on back of her head.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (7ObY1)

222

204 -

What, that Che was a rotten no good coward of a murderous monster?

Yeah, pretty much anybody who wants to know, knows.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (TOk1P)

223 Excellent writing Gabe. I don't feel compelled to read the tripe at TNR because you've laid out quite the coherent argument for why it's drivel. The most shocking part of it all is his failure to make the case (even attempt to make the case) as to why/how a system of socialized law would provide for a more just justice system, outside of, of course, satisfying his own immature and rolls-his-eyes-stomps-his-foot sense of "fairness". If you have summarized his proposal accurately, then it could be argued that Scheiber should not only be kept as far away from our justice system as possible, but as far away from pens, paper, and keyboards as well. This lunatic.... this petulant pied piper should be met at each turn with mockery and derision. He should never draw another breath of literary freedom without someone of common sense there to stifle it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (DmNpO)

224 I'd gladly foot the bill for top legal representation for some poor winger in return for pie.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (XxAYS)

225 This is simply Gabe protecting his guild -- Lawyers.

I think socializing legal services is a fine idea. $500/hr for clerical work is an obscenity.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (QFxY5)

226

154: "Lawyering is a matter of choice."

So is poop shooting.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 10, 2014 10:49 AM (/qzu7)

227 she's also probably too young for you, unless you like teenagers. Old enough to pee, old enough for me.

Posted by: Woody Allen at February 10, 2014 10:50 AM (11K5j)

228 EC, she's also probably too young for you, unless you like teenagers. Have you been near a teenager lately? They are so boring, I'd rather claw my eyes out than spend an hour listening to two or more teenagers talking.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 10:50 AM (A0glY)

229 You know, the Constitution never mentions doctors, but it does say you have a right to legal counsel. Seems to me that a socialized legal profession would be on a much firmer footing than socialized medicine. We should have the lawyers show the doctors how it is done.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 10:50 AM (P/gm7)

230 Dammit! Off, Bond girl sock!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 10:50 AM (zF6Iw)

231 And you know the NFL will roll over for him. With extra lube, please. We're kinda new at this.

Posted by: The NFL at February 10, 2014 10:51 AM (7ObY1)

232 >>Planned Parenthood CEO: Â“Women NeedÂ” Abortions For ValentineÂ’s DayÂ…

They already fund raise off of ***Mother's Day*** so this is not surprising.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 10, 2014 10:51 AM (POpqt)

233 Some of the more hysterical sportswriters are calling Sam "Jackie Robinson". Wait, I thought the gay basketball player (whose name I've forgotten) was Jack Robinson.

Leftism confuses me.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at February 10, 2014 10:51 AM (YmPwQ)

234 So is poop shooting.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 10, 2014 02:49 PM (/qzu7)

----

Tell me none of the farm kids here never tossed a dried cow pie in the air and blasted it with a 12 gauge.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:51 AM (nELVU)

235 1. Gabe doesnt need defending. Being gay does not require one to rush his aide. Quite true and neither does Gabe start every single post with "BTW I'm gay and if you don't agree with everything I say and do you're a bigoted asshole."

Posted by: Daybrother Heteronormative poster and if you don't agree with me you are a H8r. at February 10, 2014 10:51 AM (xERlB)

236 Michael Totten's "The Truth About Che Guevera" has probably been linked here before, but I just came across it via Glenn Reynolds. What was it that NBC said about Communism as an "experiment"?

LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/nvlnvoj

The only thing missing was a reference to Hemingway's appreciation for Che's "work". (Daily Caller article).

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mhz4cwf

Posted by: mrp at February 10, 2014 10:52 AM (JBggj)

237 This is simply Gabe protecting his guild -- Lawyers.

I think that's unfair to the deep stupidity of the original TNR piece.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 10, 2014 10:52 AM (B/VB5)

238 I'd rather claw my eyes out than spend an hour listening to two or more teenagers talking. I was only interested in the conversation, officer.

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 10:52 AM (11K5j)

239

2. It's spelled "chute".

Correct. I denounce myself.

...does not require one to rush his aide.

It's "...require one to rush to his aid". I re-denounce myself.

If its really "none of my business".... stop telling me.

Nobody tells you about the act. Every time someone mentions gay marriage a half dozen morons have to tell us that they're revolted by the idea of PIA. I get that many people don't support teh gheys marrying, but it's youse guys who go straight to the "what they do is icky". That's the part that's none of your business.

3. If its really "none of my business".... stop telling me.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 10:52 AM (A0sHn)

240

230 -

Not that new, NFL. Not. That. New.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 10:52 AM (TOk1P)

241 201 194 ...Michael said coming out was pretty minor in terms of difficulty and discomfort for him. Yeah I bet it was. So hard to "come out" what with all the shout-outs from The Preezy and Tweets from the First Lady, and the entire MFM cheering him on. Coming out as a conservative in my family...now THAT was difficult and discomforting. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 02:45 PM (7ObY1) --He had already shared it with his teammates before the season began. He only did it "publicly" now because scouts would be asking questions of his teammates for the Draft (character counts; they'd like to avoid another Dmitri Underwood or Ryan Leaf) and he'd rather everyone saw him take ownership of it rather that hearing dribs and drabs of rumors. And the Barky element brings up the truly laothsome actor in these dramas: 0bama making it all about him, and that *he* is equally as courageous as Sam for mentioning him in some press conference, or that *he* made a gutsy call to take out OBL, or *he* is a nrave as Rosa Parks, etc., etc.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 10:53 AM (X3GkB)

242 So is poop shooting. Hatey hater haterade! It's not a choice, even if most gays bounce back and forth between some gay and some straight sex. It's. Not. A. Choice!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 10:53 AM (A0glY)

243 And our society has devolved away from that. Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 02:48 PM (ZKzrr) Very much so. I'm not making a completely serious suggestion that socializing the legal system is a good idea, but I *AM* pointing out that of all the things our constitution does guarantee, equal application of the law is one of them. Given that lawyers tend to be leftist Democrats, i'm sorta thinking that making them work as a minor cog in the greater socialist government might disabuse them of some of those socialist supportive ideas they spout from time to time. Beyond that, i've seen the downside of an inability to pay for a lawyer in numerous people's lives, and I often wonder how much better things would have gone for them had they been able to have an attorney represent them.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 10:53 AM (bb5+k)

244

This will never go anywhere as the trial lawyers and the lawyers who make up a bulk of today's politicians won't let leftists socialize their profession.

Everyone else's profession? Not a problem.

Their's? No effin' way some libs are standing between them and their gobs of cash.

Posted by: MacGruber at February 10, 2014 10:53 AM (XxAYS)

245 So now I'm supposed to care a pro football guy what gets paid more than I'll ever see has the gall to imply he's a victim of bad life circumstances, atop the fact that he's boring the shit out of me? WTF self-centered much?

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 10:53 AM (3ZtZW)

246

233: "Tell me none of the farm kids here never tossed a dried cow pie in the air and blasted it with a 12 gauge."

Ok. You got me there.

Posted by: Azenogoth (Freedom or Fire) at February 10, 2014 10:54 AM (/qzu7)

247 So the anti-tobacco safety nazis are getting frisky, hoping for a zero tolerance future.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 10, 2014 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

248 >>> Have any sites like Breitbart run an exposÃ© on the boiler room Lefty poster machines? The outfits that pay idiots to post gibberish all over the net pushing talking points or Soros Global Initiative ideas? I think the idea is a myth. There is an internet full of argumentative people with strongly held political opinions, anxious to tell off a thread full of nitwits. I suspect our drive-by up thread was motivated by purely personal reasons.

Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 10:54 AM (Ua6T/)

249 221 Does not mean we cannot point it out every chance we get.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 10, 2014 10:54 AM (TGgNi)

250 "110 In totes unrelated news, Obama considering expanding drone strike targets to Americans abroad. Say, you don't think Obama wants to just chuck the whole idea of trials, do you?" What court issued the warrants George Washington called out the army to execute on Shay's Rebellion? Don't spend too long looking that up.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 10, 2014 10:54 AM (5xmd7)

251 "Tell me none of the farm kids here never tossed a dried cow pie in the air and blasted it with a 12 gauge."

How is this not an Olympic event?!?!?!

Posted by: EC at February 10, 2014 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)

252 There are many hellishly boring jobs.

You want hellishly boring? I've been editing test questions for 13 years. Satan texted me last night and said that he was giving me a pass on going to hell for those...things....I did in my misspent youth because he figured it was redundant.

Posted by: joncelli at February 10, 2014 10:55 AM (RD7QR)

253 I keep wondering when they will start dragging people to the guillotine.

Posted by: PJ at February 10, 2014 10:55 AM (ZWaLo)

254 How is this not an Olympic event?!?!?!

It might be, but we'd never know because it's not done in costumes to music so it'll never be televised in the U.S.

Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 10:55 AM (ZKzrr)

255
Nobody tells you about the act. Every time someone mentions gay marriage a half dozen morons have to tell us that they're revolted by the idea of PIA.

----

It's part and parcel. If you tell me you're gay, you're telling me you do the icky stuff.

If gay stuff is "natural", my revulsion is also "natural".

Posted by: Biff Boffo at February 10, 2014 10:56 AM (YmPwQ)

256 >>>if we can't give top tier legal representation to the 99 percent, we should simply deprive the 1 percent of top tier legal representation.

I've always said that if any profession should be socialized let it be the lawyers, let the government take over that sector first.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at February 10, 2014 10:56 AM (0q2P7)

257 you know, if we had the right kind of judges, we wouldn't even need to bother with trials.

Posted by: Mallfly at February 10, 2014 10:56 AM (bJm7W)

258 How is this not an Olympic event?!?!?! I saw a news article a few months ago describing a poo-related sport. Deer pellet spitting for distance, yes, it's real.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 10:56 AM (A0glY)

259 228 You know, the Constitution never mentions doctors, but it does say you have a right to legal counsel. Seems to me that a socialized legal profession would be on a much firmer footing than socialized medicine. We should have the lawyers show the doctors how it is done. Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 02:50 PM (P/gm7) This is what i'm thinking. Much societal good could be accomplished by threatening the rice bowl of lawyers. Perhaps they might get a clue as to why socialism is a bad idea? (Those of the leftest persuasion anyway.)

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 10:56 AM (bb5+k)

260 There is an internet full of argumentative people with strongly held political opinions, anxious to tell off a thread full of nitwits. But there are definitely coordinated daily memes that don't just pop up out of nowhere and become daily memes. These Leftys don't all just come up with the same daily talking points on the same day. Not talking about Qestionman, just in general.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:57 AM (7ObY1)

261 I've been editing test questions for 13 years. GAH! It's an important job, to be sure. What's the career trajectory from there?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 10:58 AM (A0glY)

262 I bet a 3000 page Comprehensive Legal Reform bill will solve this problem. Free lawyers for all!!!

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 10, 2014 10:58 AM (9Bdcz)

263 Deer pellet spitting for distance, yes, it's real.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 10, 2014 02:56 PM (A0glY)

----

Holy shit. (pardon the pun) .... Im fairly predisposed to all things rednecked, rural, and camo-clad.... but ....

.....no fucking way what I do that.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 10:58 AM (nELVU)

264 250 "Tell me none of the farm kids here never tossed a dried cow pie in the air and blasted it with a 12 gauge." We non-farm town kids just blasted frogs in the pond with our shotguns. And snakes, small fish, random water rodents...

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 10:58 AM (7ObY1)

265 201. Posted by BlueStateRebel, 2:45 PM (7ObY1) precisely! By modern cultural intercourse, "conservative" is interpreted as villainy by the thoughtless ("democratic" majority of people). Rather, if an activist, the abrasively threatening matter is forcing everyone to embrace "my" sex life as the only one that matters, the only THING that matters beyond the entirety of infinity. Each of the many times an entertainer's career goes to shit, "suddenly" they decide to "come out" to new celebrity popularity. /how often do such losers decide to change "teams" because they habitually shit on the opposite to the point that the opposite gender won't touch them with a ten foot poll? So, fresh meat.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 10:59 AM (MhA4j)

266 Off, Bond girl sock!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 10, 2014 02:50 PM (zF6Iw)

If she takes off her bikini you've got a deal.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 10:59 AM (QFxY5)

267 Uh guys? I read the entire article to be snark.

Posted by: Registered Voter at February 10, 2014 10:59 AM (Hdbf3)

268 Not that new, NFL. Not. That. New.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 10, 2014 02:52 PM (TOk1P)

--------------------------------------------

Yup. The Bears need to 'fess up.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 10:59 AM (WjEUF)

269 What is "pro bono"? A process of redistributing money from paying clients to non-paying clients of a certain political bent.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (T0NGe)

270 The world record for the buffalo chip toss is 186-feet 7-inches.
http://is.gd/pexRJo

Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (ZKzrr)

271 While we are at it, I think Congress should have to obey all the laws they pass for everyone else and abide by the regulatory regimes put in place by the alphabet agencies they refuse to reign in.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (P/gm7)

272

>>>Deer pellet spitting for distance, yes, it's real.

That's fer them river folks what cain't afford them none melons

/gibberish

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (3ZtZW)

273 Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 02:53 PM (X3GkB)

When Leaf was drafted, I was stationed in San Diego and knew two girls who were originally from Belt, MT. They were apoplectic that he had been drafted by the Chargers, as they had known him in high school and were very aware that he was a complete head case. The Chargers front office should have consulted with them, would have saved a lot of time, money, and trouble.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (L8r/r)

274 You could sum up the Left's entire platform as an embrace of the seven deadly sins

Posted by: Jean at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (RizLv)

275 Jesus Christ Are their Morons and Moronettes here arguing that one should not be allowed to charge the most they can get for their services? Arguing FOR socializing the legal system? WTF?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 11:00 AM (DmNpO)

276 >>--He had already shared it with his teammates before the season began. He only did it "publicly" now because scouts would be asking questions of his teammates for the Draft (character counts; they'd like to avoid another Dmitri Underwood or Ryan Leaf) and he'd rather everyone saw him take ownership of it rather that hearing dribs and drabs of rumors. Supposedly he was also dating some athlete from school, not a football player, so it wasn't like it wasn't going to get out. I'm sick of hearing about this but I think the guy is in sort of a no win situation.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 11:01 AM (g1DWB)

277 But there are definitely coordinated daily memes that don't just pop up out of nowhere and become daily memes. These Leftys don't all just come up with the same daily talking points on the same day. The commenters don't have to be paid for that coordination to occur. The core root of all that crap is located in the White House, Lefty think-tanks, and lefty blogs. All the "good" little leftists read FireDogLake and DailyKos and Slate and watch the Daily Show and etc. Then they fly to their favorite righty sites to try out their new talking points.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 11:01 AM (A0glY)

278 Knocking up multiple random women is far more immoral than buggery. There's a lot more of the former going on in the NFL than the latter.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 11:01 AM (X3GkB)

279 Their's? No effin' way some libs are standing between them and their gobs of cash. Posted by: MacGruber at February 10, 2014 02:53 PM (XxAYS) Which is why I think it is a good idea to condition them into a reflexive hatred of socialism. Nothing like throwing them into the pot to promote their hatred of it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 11:01 AM (bb5+k)

280 there

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 10, 2014 11:01 AM (DmNpO)

281 Wait, CBD isn't a lawyer?

Or was that entirely tongue-in-cheek?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 10, 2014 11:01 AM (t8ySh)

282 What is "pro bono"? I'm so glad you asked that question...

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (JQuNB)

283 Hmm I think that should be rein in.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (P/gm7)

284 259 I sometimes wonder how coordinated it is. On the flip side, you see several posters here talking about going to various lefty sites and trolling there. Are they coordinated in any way or just the type of people who enjoy tweaking people? Some people just love to start fights. Does not mean they are coordinated. Of course, it also does not mean they are not.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (TGgNi)

285 "...most gays bounce back and forth between some gay and some straight sex."

Posted by: bonhomme at February 10, 2014 02:53 PM (A0glY)

Bullshit.

Document that...I dare you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (QFxY5)

286 Ace knows the 3-day weekend is next week, right?

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (11K5j)

287 To be brutally honest, if the top 1% can't buy good lawyers, then they will buy bad judges.

Posted by: Jean at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (RizLv)

288 258 228 You know, the Constitution never mentions doctors, but it does say you have a right to legal counsel. Seems to me that a socialized legal profession would be on a much firmer footing than socialized medicine. We should have the lawyers show the doctors how it is done. Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 02:50 PM (P/gm7) This is what i'm thinking. Much societal good could be accomplished by threatening the rice bowl of lawyers. Perhaps they might get a clue as to why socialism is a bad idea? (Those of the leftest persuasion anyway.) Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 02:56 PM (bb5+k) TouchÃ©! TouchÃ©!

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (MhA4j)

289 Are their Morons and Moronettes here arguing that one should not be allowed to charge the most they can get for their services?

I think we're saying that since there's this insistence on "fair" we should treat lawyers the same as doctors. For the "fairness."

Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 11:02 AM (ZKzrr)

290 That guy that said something like first thing to do is kill all the lawyers...But anyhow, I digress. What a dumbass. *spits*

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 10, 2014 11:03 AM (60Vyp)

291 most gays bounce back and forth between some gay and some straight sex We're not talking about the French. We're talking about homosexuals.

Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 11:03 AM (11K5j)

292 GAH! It's an important job, to be sure. What's the career trajectory from there?

Posted by: bonhomme at February 10, 2014 02:58 PM (A0glY)

Flat, trending down due to blindness and incipient insanity. (Yes, I'm having a bad day.)

Posted by: joncelli at February 10, 2014 11:04 AM (RD7QR)

293 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 03:02 PM (QFxY5) speaking from his own cultural experience, circle of acquaintances

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 11:04 AM (MhA4j)

294 103 The real question is why we're at around 100 comments on a lawyer thread and still no appearance yet by Amishdude. Is he ok? Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 10, 2014 02:19 PM (0jFxY) 10 min. for lunch! I'm here. This is what I've been saying for years now. Suddenly they understand single-payer isn't such a hot idea when it keeps them from getting rich. Basically, the legal system as it exists now consists of a cutthroat free-ish market system for services (let's ignore for the moment that nearly every legal transaction has at least one unwilling participant) together with a system akin to free clinics. Sounds OK to me.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2014 11:04 AM (T0NGe)

295 Or was that entirely tongue-in-cheek?

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 10, 2014 03:01 PM (t8ySh)

I hate the legal profession (hah!) so much that I would sacrifice my political philosophy and support it if socialized legal services was a possibility.

They are a blood-sucking guild that has done tremendous damage to this country.

Let them bleed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 11:04 AM (QFxY5)

296

Knocking up multiple random women is far more immoral than buggery. There's a lot more of the former going on in the NFL than the latter.

This.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 10, 2014 11:04 AM (A0sHn)

297 nood...with gunz!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 11:05 AM (7ObY1)

298 Document that...I dare you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 03:02 PM (QFxY5)

----

Not my claim but I'll chirp in

Kinsey for one.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 11:05 AM (nELVU)

299 "It's not the first time a US embassy has been attacked and it likely won't be the last. We don't have the resources to ensure absolute safety to every US citizen in a foreign land." But they do have the resources to evacuate it then. And they had the specific warning of imminent trouble that they failed to act on. They failed to protect; they failed to interrupt; they lied about what happened, and they have failed to avenge in order to pretend that it wasn't an Al Qaeda attack. They have no problem claiming authority to kill Al Awlaki for conspiracy but won't use the same appropriate authority on the Libyan attackers because they want to pretend it isn't on that level. Obama, Clinton and the Pentagon are totally guilty of a chain of bad calls, both inaction and deliberate wrongful action. "Zimmerman's successful defense depended on getting jurors to focus on the fight that occurred just before he shot the 17-year-old, unarmed Trayvon Martin, and not on the events that preceded it. " And rightly so. The pummeling of Zimmerman's skull into the sidewalk was not cancelled out by who was rude 20 minutes before. "The fact remains that Trayvon Martin was doing nothing wrong; he was returning from a snack run at a convenience store, heading for the house of his father's girlfriend. " Not according to the prosecution; they put his friend on the stand, and she said he got home and then went back out. "And the fact remains that had Zimmerman stayed in his truck, as advised by the police, Martin would be alive today." That's a guess, not a fact, because what if Martin had found Zimmerman waiting in his truck and decided to go ahead and kick his ass?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at February 10, 2014 11:05 AM (5xmd7)

300 Supposedly he was also dating some athlete from school, not a football player, so it wasn't like it wasn't going to get out. I'm sick of hearing about this but I think the guy is in sort of a no win situation. Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 03:01 PM (g1DWB) --Yes, it was a Mizzou swim team member. I agree that he was in a damned if you do or don't dilemma. I think it also should be repeated that he was a very good player and won plenty of defensive awards at Mizzou, so he's not just doing it for attention; he had already gained recognition for his game on the field.

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 11:06 AM (X3GkB)

301 >>> Some people just love to start fights. Does not mean they are coordinated. Of course, it also does not mean they are not. A few years back, I saw a guy I knew IRL stir shit on Sweetness & Light. He liked to stir in meatspace, as well. I thought he was way too old to be doing such a thing, but there you have it.

Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 11:06 AM (Ua6T/)

302

Color me suspicious of the Socialist calling for more Socialism. Also color me suspicious of the lawyer defending the revenue-stream of lawyers.

Simplify the system, and the wealth advantage decreases proportionally.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 10, 2014 11:06 AM (QypTB)

303 Posted by: garrett at February 10, 2014 03:03 PM (11K5j)

When Ace gets caught with five fresh hobo pelts and is sent to Sing-Sing, I am going to miss this kind of stuff.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 11:06 AM (QFxY5)

304 I think we're saying that since there's this insistence on "fair" we should treat lawyers the same as doctors. For the "fairness." Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 03:02 PM (ZKzrr) But the key is that nearly all of our legislators are lawyers. Very few are doctors. Lawyers have wildly unsized influence in our government.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2014 11:06 AM (T0NGe)

305 What is "pro bono"? *** The name of my U2 fan club.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (g4TxM)

306

>>>>Arguing FOR socializing the legal system?

The system, the profession. Which? System is *supposed* to be equal, demonstrably not, though. The profession writes laws benefitting itself.

Posted by: Bigby's Mittens at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (3ZtZW)

307 These Leftys don't all just come up with the same daily talking points on the same day. Not talking about Qestionman, just in general. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 10, 2014 02:57 PM (7ObY1) There are people at Free Republic who only discuss one issue. Defending Barack Obama's legitimacy. They argue about his birth certificate, the meaning of natural born citizen, and any other issue relating to his legitimacy to hold office. They simply never post any commentary on any other subject. A lot of people suspect they are deliberate operatives, either paid, or just deluded. Likewise there are half a dozen websites out there specifically dedicated to proving Barack Obama legitimate. Why in the world would anyone bother who was not working for him?

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (bb5+k)

308 Bullshit. Document that...I dare you. Look up NIH numbers on AIDS. They document how straight women end up getting AIDS. Mostly it's because of bisexual men. About half of the men who self-identify as gay have sex with women too.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (A0glY)

309 Will the fellows that don't want to shower around him be considered homophobic? Is that a requirement?

Posted by: polynikes at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (m2CN7)

310 Looks like the USA is fielding a gaggle of steam-dykes for curling.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (WjEUF)

311 Kinsey for one.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 03:05 PM (nELVU)

His numbers have been discredited.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 11:07 AM (QFxY5)

312 There is an internet full of argumentative people with strongly held political opinions, anxious to tell off a thread full of nitwits. But there are definitely coordinated daily memes that don't just pop up out of nowhere and become daily memes. These Leftys don't all just come up with the same daily talking points on the same day. Not talking about Qestionman, just in general. Posted by: BlueStateRebel My point exactly. There are evenings when I spend 2 or 3 hours reading different sites and comments. Sure posts like the one upthread are usually personal but often I read exactly the same illogical points in varying posts in many different places.--Too many and too similar in agenda craziness to be coincidence. As BSR said, 'if only there was a profession that existed to investigate and inform the Public'.

Posted by: Daybrother Heteronormative poster and if you don't agree with me you are a H8r. at February 10, 2014 11:08 AM (0f4Dl)

313 >>>>Arguing FOR socializing the legal system?<<<<

6o percent of the Senators are lawyers. Lawyers constitute the single largest professional block in the House (46%+ I think). These people are happy to socialize this, that, and the other thing. Why should they get a pass? Are lawyers better or more important that doctors?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 11:08 AM (P/gm7)

314 Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 03:00 PM

That must've been off a cliff.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 10, 2014 11:09 AM (KQp38)

315 270 While we are at it, I think Congress should have to obey all the laws they pass for everyone else and abide by the regulatory regimes put in place by the alphabet agencies they refuse to reign in. Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 03:00 PM (P/gm7) Well now you're just being silly.

Posted by: The Elite at February 10, 2014 11:09 AM (bb5+k)

316 247 >>> Have any sites like Breitbart run an exposÃ© on the boiler room Lefty poster machines? The outfits that pay idiots to post gibberish all over the net pushing talking points or Soros Global Initiative ideas? I think the idea is a myth. There is an internet full of argumentative people with strongly held political opinions, anxious to tell off a thread full of nitwits. I suspect our drive-by up thread was motivated by purely personal reasons. Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 02:54 PM (Ua6T/) No, they exist, or existed. I think the only get funded in Presidential cycles when the cash is flowing.

Posted by: Jean at February 10, 2014 11:09 AM (RizLv)

317 I think we're saying that since there's this insistence on "fair" we should treat lawyers the same as doctors. For the "fairness." Posted by: HR at February 10, 2014 03:02 PM (ZKzrr) goose, gander, yeah... but NO WAY IN HELL would it be right to mandate a new tax on everyone to support the fuckin' lawyers, especially via "legal insurance" and gobment-ubersite. For all the Republican political stance against frivolous law suits (which are frivolous, no argument), there's no legal fee cap on % taken from awards won.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 11:10 AM (MhA4j)

318 ----Not my claim but I'll chirp in Kinsey for one. Posted by: fixerupper at February 10, 2014 03:05 PM (nELVU) --Kinsley studied the prison populations, the only male demographic I can envision going back and forth from chicks to dicks (the latter mostly involuntarily, I'd wager).

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 11:10 AM (X3GkB)

319 "You could sum up the Left's entire platform as an embrace of the seven deadly sins Posted by: Jean"

Yep. And IMO that's why the Founders were so adamant that the republic would only prosper if people were self-regulated through religion and morality.

We can see what happens when morality disappears in the French Revolution, Venezuela today, and increasingly, here.

Posted by: PJ at February 10, 2014 11:12 AM (ZWaLo)

320 309 Looks like the USA is fielding a gaggle of steam-dykes for curling. Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 03:07 PM (WjEUF) --Really? Oh well, I'll just keep on enjoying watching Jennifer Jones. :p

Posted by: logprof at February 10, 2014 11:12 AM (X3GkB)

321 Why should they get a pass? Are lawyers better or more important that doctors? Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... just as most visits to the "doctor" are really just to nurses aides (technicians) ... most legal work done by the legal aides... those, and robots

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 11:12 AM (MhA4j)

322 This meme is all over the internet: When you go to sleep, you black out, and the government and police break into your home and rape you, and install more of these chips into your body. Spread the word. Don't let new friends sleep over. Tell all your friends, its only a matter of time before it effects you. Signs that this has happen to you, 1. severe tooth pain. 2. your anus was loose when you woke up. 3. your girlfriends vagina has some kind of bump in it. 4. unexplainable pain randomly, throughout the day. 5. stomach pain, cant crap. 6. severe migranes 7. burns on your body, (white stains on your skin). things to do to annoy the police and government that are listening to you through unuathorized taps into your body. (this helps kill some of these in your body and flush them out) 1. making slirping sounds with your mouth. 2. try to stay up for over 48 hours without going to sleep, try to take a lot of craps. And there is much more... http://forgottenchicago.com/forum/1/12607/12609/_subject_ So, whose anus was loose this morning?

Posted by: Judge Pug at February 10, 2014 11:12 AM (NRYdU)

323 They are a blood-sucking guild that has done tremendous damage to this country. Let them bleed. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 10, 2014 03:04 PM (QFxY5) I think we have some common ground here.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 10, 2014 11:13 AM (bb5+k)

324
Have any sites like Breitbart run an exposÃ© on the boiler room Lefty poster machines? The outfits that pay idiots to post gibberish all over the net pushing talking points or Soros Global Initiative ideas?

I think the idea is a myth.

There is an internet full of argumentative people with strongly held political opinions, anxious to tell off a thread full of nitwits.

I suspect our drive-by up thread was motivated by purely personal reasons.

Posted by: fluffy at February 10, 2014 02:54 PM (Ua6T/)

A lot of it is self-motivated leftist assholery, but the left has definitely been hitting social media on a paid basis for years. That was DAxelrod's big "contribution" to political strategy. Take a look at a student newspaper in a college town, lots of want ads for paid activism, and you can be sure that it's not just carrying petitions and cold calling people during the dinner hour.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 10, 2014 11:15 AM (TIIx5)

325 You think the courts are bogged down now with bullshit lawsuits go ahead socialize lawyers. Everyone will be suing someone.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 11:15 AM (g1DWB)

326 Ah, so here is where we're talking about Michael Sam? Okay, then, I say good for him. We can't really say no one wanted to know---scouts were asking if he'd been seen with any women, and people have been gossiping about other NFL players possibly being gay (Aaron Rodgers, I think?). It was going to come out, and it's better if everyone knows before he signs on somewhere.

Posted by: Jenny Likes Her Phone at February 10, 2014 11:16 AM (BOFCM)

327 First they came for the bankers, and... Then they came for the carmakers , and... Then they came for the doctors, and... Then they came for the lawyers, and there was no one left to pay me to speak up....

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 10, 2014 11:16 AM (gkxz4)

328 go ahead socialize lawyers. ... class action law suits//

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 10, 2014 11:17 AM (MhA4j)

329 The commenters don't have to be paid for that coordination to occur. The core root of all that crap is located in the White House, Lefty think-tanks, and lefty blogs. All the "good" little leftists read FireDogLake and DailyKos and Slate and watch the Daily Show and etc. Then they fly to their favorite righty sites to try out their new talking points. Posted by: bonhomme What you say is undoubtedly true yet I can't shake the feeling in the gut that something weirder is often going on from Yahoo to NYT to Politico/Wanker/The Hill/CBS/CNN/etc to smart MilBlogs that the top 1% run. (Heh)

Posted by: Daybrother Heteronormative poster and if you don't agree with me you are a H8r. at February 10, 2014 11:18 AM (RZK/j)

330 I'm really trying to understand this curling thing by watching it. No luck.

Posted by: Soona at February 10, 2014 11:19 AM (WjEUF)

331 312 Is that an argument for socializing the legal profession or really about the issue that one profession dominates our political class. When one profession (Lawyers) so dominates a nominally open job (politicians) it makes you wonder how it got that way. Is it because lawyers (trial at least) are taught to argue their points and can easily slide into the campaign mode? However, I would guess, as I have not looked it up, that most representatives are not lawyers of the trial variety. Is it a synergy that successful lawyers often have more financial resources, plus a network of people, in addition to the first? The first two could be something they have in common with doctors, for instance. When there is such a dominance like this (another example would be liberals in the media) you have to start wondering why it is.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 10, 2014 11:19 AM (TGgNi)

332 As a libertarian and minarchist I'm a bit conflicted on this.

On the one hand, the government really should not set anyone's pay.

On the other hand, lawyers exist primarily to direct Leviathan's wrath on behalf of their clients' interests.

So lawyering is really the one, and only, profession that probably should be pay-capped by law. We don't need John Edwards, we don't need David Boies, we don't need three-thousand page laws that only lawyers understand.

Posted by: TallDave at February 10, 2014 11:22 AM (/s1LA)

333 New thread up btw.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 10, 2014 11:24 AM (TGgNi)

334 Posted by: Aetius451AD The only important thing to remember is that Doctors are special. And smart; really smart. And never wrong and they never lie.

Posted by: Daybrother M.D. at February 10, 2014 11:27 AM (D8Fz8)

335 How about forcing those filthy, stinking rich 1% lawyers to do pro-bono litigation for the masses? Or even better yet, dispense with the lawyers and the courtrooms, and just have corporations, doctors (and whomever else is being sued) just hand over a "reasonable" amount of money to the perceived "injured"--you know, to be fair and all. We don't need no stinking lawyers! (Amishdude, can I get an "Amen"?!)

Posted by: runningrn at February 10, 2014 11:27 AM (o6g4X)

336 >>When one profession (Lawyers) so dominates a nominally open job (politicians) it makes you wonder how it got that way. Its always been that way. 32 of the 55 original framers of the Constitution were lawyers. 25 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were lawyers. Not too surprising. Lawyers deal with law.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 11:27 AM (g1DWB)

337 Lawyers are professional bullshitters, it stands to reason that they would be good at getting themselves elected. Good at governing is another matter.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 10, 2014 11:30 AM (P/gm7)

338 Are there any Cobs who aren't now posting over at the Federalist?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 10, 2014 11:44 AM (XvHmy)

339 336. this generation of "living breathing" document Democrats have taken that to a whole 'nutha level with ACA... The unwritten law, still not "written" -- hard to say "revisionism" since there wasn't a documented written law that Congress read, debated and voted upon, and which the Totus signed into "law" -- and that the SCOTUS Chief Justice made a judgement prior to the law actually being written in a final form proves the insanity of it all -- mutant parasitic anaerobic metabolisms

Posted by: jeopardy at February 10, 2014 11:53 AM (MhA4j)

340 Its always been that way. 32 of the 55 original framers of the Constitution were lawyers. 25 of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were lawyers. Not too surprising. Lawyers deal with law. Posted by: JackStraw at February 10, 2014 03:27 PM (g1DWB) Conflict of interest. Also, I don't think there was a bar association at the time (BARrier to entry) nor were there proper law schools, let alone 3 years of social "science" pablum that doesn't even prep you for the bar exam.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 10, 2014 12:00 PM (T0NGe)

341 Zimmerman's successful defense depended on getting jurors to focus on the fight that occurred just before he shot the 17-year-old, unarmed Trayvon Martin, and not on the events that preceded it. The lawyers established doubt about which man screamed for help, as well as other details of the confrontation Â— holes that invited an acquittal under Florida's laws. But the fact remains that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer and cop wanna-be, instantly identified Trayvon Martin as a "(expletive) punk" who "looks like he's up to no good." The fact remains that Trayvon Martin was doing nothing wrong; he was returning from a snack run at a convenience store, heading for the house of his father's girlfriend. And the fact remains that had Zimmerman stayed in his truck, as advised by the police, Martin would be alive today. Those facts . . . . ******************* Those "facts" are not facts at all, but merely your own biased -- and legally irrelevant -- spin. Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin could have been square dancing with each other in the minutes before the shooting, and it wouldn't have mattered a damn. It also wouldn't have mattered a damn if, in the minutes before the shooting, Zimmerman had climbed up a light pole and screamed "Trayvon Martin is a lying, thieving douchebag punk and I'm going to f--k his mama." What mattered, and what led to the verdict, were these facts: Trayvon Martin approached George Zimmerman and punched him in the face hard enough to break his nose and knock him to the ground. Trayvon Martin then jumped on top of Zimmerman, pinned him to the ground, and began punching him MMA style. Zimmerman's screams for help and attempts to get away from Martin were unsuccessful. Zimmerman shot Martin in an act of justified self defense. As a matter of law, those are the only facts that mattered. Those facts were established at trial by an abundance of evidence. Your outrage over Zimmerman speaking to a dispatcher and referring to Martin as a "f--king punk" -- like Martin's own presumed annoyance at being eyed suspiciously by Zimmerman that night -- are irrelevant. Martin simply had no legal right to physically assault and batter Zimmerman just because Martin didn't like the way Zimmerman was looking at him, or didn't like something he said. And Zimmerman, once under the legally unjustified assault from Martin, had the legal right to defend his life with deadly force.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at February 10, 2014 12:54 PM (/sohm)

342 I think this is a great idea! I want to see all those left wing tools tell everyone "not me!".

Posted by: Al at February 10, 2014 02:49 PM (40XA1)

343 21 I think this is a great idea. Lawyers are mostly a bunch of leftists anyway, let them practice what they preach. Socialize law, make them all public servants, and pay them accordingly. Posted by: Cornfed at February 10, 2014 02:03 PM (Hoy9u) Gotta agree. It's lawyers that fucked up the country. Time for them to feel the pain. If doctor's - who actually save lives - shouldn't be able to make a lot of money, then why should scumbag lawyers who create nothing, and are in fact net negatives.

Posted by: Eff'in A at February 10, 2014 04:09 PM (ajjwb)

344 "327 go ahead socialize lawyers."
Go and socialize your neighbors
Go and socialized your friends
Do it in the name of fairness
You can justify it in the end
There won't be any motions pending
Come the Judgment Day
But on the early morning after
One lone ambulance is chased away....

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 10, 2014 04:48 PM (XO6WW)

345 Socialized law doesn't sound like the worst idea in the world, and all the high-minded talk about 'envy' sounds bizarrely like someone who is trying to speak the language of Christians despite it clearly being a foreign tongue to them. Railing against the idea of socialized law, but talking up 'funding for legal aid'? Oh, so socialism and law mix just fine, but only so long as more money is being funneled to the lawyers? Fuck the lawyers, and to the extent that wealthy people rely on sheer power of assets and connections to alter the course of justice, fuck them too.

Posted by: Crude at February 11, 2014 01:17 AM (znnUw)

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