January 15, 2014

Opposing Christie Should Be A Matter Of Principle For Conservatives
— DrewM

“We all hate ObamaCare, we just disagree on tactics about how to get rid of it”. That was the cry of the anti-shutdown caucus back in September and October. But like most things you hear from Republicans, it was a lie.

Not all Republicans hate ObamaCare, some even implemented parts of it. One of the Republican governors to do so is Chris Christie (who also happens to be head of the Republican Governors Association).

So why should Republicans, let alone conservatives, defend Christie in his current times of troubles? I mean, shouldnÂ’t we be happy to see a turncoat wounded in his quest to become the GOP nominee? Of course not says the establishment. You see when Ted Cruz was being attacked by the media many in the GOP not only refused to defend him, they rushed to join the attackers. But now that a member in good standing of the moderate wing is in trouble, well teamwork demands we all come to his aid.

To that I say what General Anthony McAuliffe said at the Battle of the Bulge…”Nuts”.

There are two basic reasons I donÂ’t want to see Christie be the GOP nomineeÂ…his support for immigration amnesty and his acceptance of ObamaCareÂ’s Medicaid expansion. For me, either of those is disqualifying. Both? ItÂ’s intervention time.

If the GOP is going to run in 2016 against ObamaCare it cannot have a nominee who is at all tainted by the program. To put Christie at the head of the charge against ObamaCare would be as stupid as, well, putting Mitt Romney there.

What I wrote back in April of 2010 about Romney applies to Christie today.

Even if Romney does say he opposes the individual mandate, he still has said he'd take credit for Obama's health care "accomplishment". Given his background with the issue and weird statements about the law since its passage, Romney is simply damaged goods when it comes to health care.

He might still be able to come up with a convincing narrative to explain the differences between MassCare and ObamaCare as well as his role in the former. But then the debate will be about Mitt and what he thought then vs. now and whether he can be reliable going forward. Meanwhile the focus will be off Obama and the damage done by this health care scheme.

Republicans need the issue to be a clean and clear choice...we have to nominate someone who was opposed to ObamaCare from the start. Only then will the focus stay on Obama and what he has wrought.

The same is true for Christie but itÂ’s actually much worse. RomneyCare was the forerunner of ObamaCare but at least Romney wasnÂ’t directly tied to a major piece of ObamaCare the way Christie is.

Maybe Christie can explain it away by saying things like “well, what was good for NJ wasn’t great for the country so they aren’t the same.”

How did that work for Mitt?

As the saying goes, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing”. That’s true but it’s even more of a problem if what you’re explaining is why what you did in the past will be different from what you’ll do in the future, especially on such a key issue.

If youÂ’re a bitter ender clinging to the idea that RomneyCare didnÂ’t inhibit RomneyÂ’s ability to go after ObamaCare, donÂ’t take my word that it did. Take the word of one of RomneyÂ’s biggest cheerleaders, Jennifer Rubin.

Hillary Clinton may have a Mitt Romney problem. It is not merely a function of her wealth and isolation from the real world. (She and Bill Clinton are treated like royalty and operate behind a phalanx of security.) Rather, she is uniquely unable to criticize potential opponents on points on which they may be the most vulnerable.

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In other words, Romney felt constrained in going after the president on Obamacare and was personally unable to capture the lower- and middle-class voters most hurt by ObamaÂ’s policies.

Now it can be told, I guess.

I understand why Christie is an attractive candidate to moderate Republicans but to conservatives? HeÂ’s should be looked upon as fatally flawed. Instead of running to his aid, conservatives should do what Republicans did when Cruz was attacked by the media and DemocratsÂ….join the mob and grab a brick to throw at him (metaphorically of course).

You can talk about a “big tent” all you want but if it’s big enough to include people who endorse a significant part of ObamaCare, you don’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles.

If at this point you are already thinking, “but Christie’s the kind of moderate Republican that won’t scare voters and has a record of winning in a blue state”. I say, how did ”but he’s electable!” work out for you last time?”

The GOP will get in bed with anyone, even if they embrace ObamaCare but thereÂ’s no reason conservatives should. If thereÂ’s no principle worth defending, no hill worth dying on (I prefer hills to fight on myself), whatÂ’s the difference between a conservative and a Republican? I understand there are conservatives who will support amnesty. But ObamaCare? If opposing every inch of ObamaCareÂ’s implementation isnÂ’t a core principle for conservatives, what is?

If two years out from Iowa and New Hampshire you are already willing to settle or worse yet, not do everything you can to strangle the great Moderate Hope, who embraces the part of ObamaCare the Democrats are boasting the most about, in its cradle, then how can we ever move the GOP or the country to the right?

Posted by: DrewM at 06:17 AM | Comments (449)
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1 It's hard to think of anyone I will vote for in 2016, but Christie hasn't been a choice for me for years. 

Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 06:20 AM (P7hip)

2 Deja vu all over again. The GOP is becoming Sponge Bob Squarepants.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at January 15, 2014 06:21 AM (hpgw1)

3 Forget it, Drew. He has the whole Tea Party behind him now.

Posted by: Karl Rove at January 15, 2014 06:21 AM (Ua6T/)

4 To that I say what General Anthony McAuliffe said at the Battle of the Bulge…”Nuts”. ***** Q: Where are men like him today? A: Doing 8 hours of mandatory sensitivity training- unavailable for duty.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 15, 2014 06:22 AM (g4TxM)

5 I still say Romney would have been a better choice then Obama, but what the hell does a statement like that even mean any more?

Posted by: sigless in seattle at January 15, 2014 06:22 AM (QCc6B)

6 I'm still a little suspicious about timing, but yeah. "I'm not going to kill you. But I don't have to save you..."

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 06:23 AM (naUcP)

7 Totally agree, Drew. Christie has only ever been looking out for himself; so it's karma that now he has no allies defending him except fellow thugs.

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 06:23 AM (GSIDW)

8 The Rove line is that Christie is the only viable competitor against Hillary.  But I call B.S. He is the establishment Republicans' reluctant choice and their horse in the race just because of his performance in the last governors' race. 

I dearly hope that Iowa and New Hampshire do not give us Christie.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 06:24 AM (OZmbA)

9 Christie is a disaster, never forgive him for that Sandy bro-fest on the beach with the Lame-O one week before the election. Go back to Mendham,CC

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 06:24 AM (84oau)

10 Hey! I got a fat-fuck RINO in my pants!!


Posted by: the guy that has everything in his pants at January 15, 2014 06:24 AM (wmU4G)

11
I have great plans for America, and my first act as your president will be to radically modify ObamaCare and convert it's poor performing features into ChristieCare, a well though out plan to manage your health care expectations.

Posted by: Chris Christie, D-New Jersey at January 15, 2014 06:25 AM (pJF+c)

12 Why is the only hill the GOP will die on the career of Chris Christie? This is what the establishment wants to go to the matresses on? Where are the calls for Christie to resign so as not to damage the brand? Fucking hyprocites.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 06:25 AM (sv/s3)

13

There is no way I'm voting for Chris Christie.  I broke down and voted for McCain in 2008, I even gave in and voted for Romney in 2012.  But Chris Christie is just a bridge too far. 

 

Conservatives need to find their spines and deliver a message to the GOP - you run RINOs, we don't vote for you.

 

And if you want to argue "that means the DEmocrats will win!!!" Well, so what?  Even when Republicans technically win election, the Democrats still end up winning anywise.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:25 AM (YYJjz)

14 You Trucon retards are going to give us 4 years of Hillary instead of four years of Hillary-lite!!!!1!1! Arghhh!!!

Posted by: An Asshole at January 15, 2014 06:25 AM (Aif/5)

15 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:26 AM (PYAXX)

16 You can talk about a “big tent” all you want That's a fat joke, isn't it?

Posted by: Chris Christie at January 15, 2014 06:26 AM (PYAXX)

17 Not a Christie-specific rant, but how hard is it for politicians to say 'no, I won't vote for this, it's not the government's job to regulate/ tax/ administer this area of people's lives'? I would pay extra tax if it meant that every politician was required to pass a civics class before taking office. I bet most of the current crop would fail dismally.

Posted by: right wing whippersnapper at January 15, 2014 06:26 AM (NSh5j)

18 8 The Rove line is that Christie is the only viable competitor against Hillary... Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 10:24 AM (OZmbA) Rove is an idiot

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 06:26 AM (84oau)

19

"You can talk about a “big tent” all you want but if it’s big enough to include people who endorse a significant part of ObamaCare, you don’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles."

 

Waiting for Chi-Town Jerry to show up and tell us how "principles" are for losers who never want to be in power again, in 5...4...3...

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:26 AM (YYJjz)

20 These threads always make me angry that the local donut shops don't deliver to my desk.

Posted by: HR at January 15, 2014 06:27 AM (ZKzrr)

21 Can we start a third party? A 'progressive' party?  And run someone who the progs will kill to vote for? So we can siphon off some Cankles support.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 06:27 AM (OZmbA)

22 I wish Christie would drop dead and take the express train straight to Hell. That's just me though.

Posted by: Mandrake at January 15, 2014 06:27 AM (Cs2tJ)

23 16 You can talk about a “big tent” all you want That's a fat joke, isn't it? Posted by: Chris Christie at January 15, 2014 10:26 AM (PYAXX) I find that "hard to swallow"

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 06:27 AM (84oau)

24 If Rodham has a Mitt Romney problem it's that she's not a natural campaigner like her predator husband was.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 06:28 AM (QYbdU)

25 Considering how hard Republicans are running on "We oppose Obama on everything! Every day we're totes fightin' in the halls, yo!" I find it hard to understand why they would want to run Chris "I applaud President Obama" Christie.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:28 AM (PYAXX)

26 24 If Rodham has a Mitt Romney problem it's that she's not a natural campaigner like her predator husband was. Clinton never broke 50% in an election.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 06:29 AM (sv/s3)

27 The GOP has given up more "hills to fight on" than the French at Dien Bien Phu.  How'd that work out?

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 15, 2014 06:29 AM (XO6WW)

28

Seriously, I just don't get it.  Chris Christie's bromance with Obama after Hurricane Sandy a week before the election helped to hand the election to him.

 

Christie essentially screwed Romney big-time.  Yet, all the RINOs and GOP establishment types are still clustering around him like the moons around Jupiter.  Don't the RINOs even care that he backstabbed one of their own??

 

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:30 AM (YYJjz)

29 another thing, that whatever it is  with the lane closures
even if i don't buy the 91 year old woman thing as because of' christie.. (because how can i know for sure)
but i'm just not so into politicians that actually have power over my life taking their responsibilty to the populace so lightly.
in other words, We and our lives are not your toys.

and i've had enough of that shit with Obama.

you like demanding people to conform , then it becomes 'i'm just not into you.'

leave.me.alone.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 06:30 AM (nqBYe)

30 Karl Wasserman Rove said that Reagan was "unelectable" which that fat turd should have printed on the stupid fucking white board that he carries around to distract from the gleam off his Begala-esque forehead.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 06:30 AM (QYbdU)

31 Nice post Drew.  The problems with Christie are part and parcel why I would not find a Kasich run palatable.  He took the medicaid expansion imperiling the Ohio GOP down the road.

"Thanks"

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 06:30 AM (TE35l)

32 Nope, I bit the bullet and voted Mclame, now every time he opens his yap I want to crawl under a rock from the shame. No politician will ever make me feel like that again. If I can't truly get behind a candidate, I won't vote. I agree with Titus, if the option is Dem or Dem lite what's the damn difference? Either way we get screwed, at least I'll know I had nothing to do with it.

Posted by: Orlandocon ette at January 15, 2014 06:30 AM (SldZ2)

33
Recalling the past, we bet the trifecta of Dole, McCain, Romney, and now we're going for Christie?

This quadruple bet would be a loser in a long line of replicating the craps bet of Don't Pass on a long roll!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 15, 2014 06:30 AM (pJF+c)

34 Rather, she [Hillary] is uniquely unable to criticize potential opponents on points on which they may be the most vulnerable. Now who's being naive, Kay?

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 06:31 AM (QupBk)

35 Christie is no friend but fight the real enemy. *Ripping up a picture of President Obama*

Posted by: JJ Stone at January 15, 2014 06:31 AM (4oSMi)

36 I am totally electable, 'cause the Force is with me and all.

Posted by: Obese Wan Kenobi at January 15, 2014 06:31 AM (g4TxM)

37 Christie is never going to make it out of the primaries as a viable candidate. He might get a little play in NH, but he will be a tough sell in Iowa. And in any state west of the Appalachians, south of the Mason-Dixon line....forget it. Why? Because Christie ultimately cares more about Christie than being a Republican, which makes him a RINO. And the Lamestream Media has proven that they will elevate a Republican, only to dash him or her down to speed the election of their chosen Leftard darling. Bridgegate was the warning; back Christie, and he will be the next McCain/Palin ticket.

Posted by: exdem13 at January 15, 2014 06:31 AM (lJaja)

38 27 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 10:30 AM (YYJjz)

The DC GOP is addicted to the idea that they can have a Republican who is at all palatable to the majority of the base that will ever be the media's "it boy/girl."

Game doesn't work that way. ask John McCain.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 06:31 AM (TE35l)

39
The prophecy must be fulfilled.  After America's first sodomite President, it must elect a lesbian.

Posted by: The Book of Revelation at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (vTBuV)

40 Eight years of  already   having an arrogant jagoff in the Oval Office is enough for me to disqualify Christie.

Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (VndSC)

41 and in before we're called Purists.

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (QupBk)

42 I simply don't know what to do about 404fail. "we tried to warn you."
Didn't work- free shit 0-merica had its way.

Posted by: backhoe at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (ULH4o)

43 let him stay in NJ

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (zOTsN)

44 16 You can talk about a “big tent” all you want

That's a fat joke, isn't it?
Posted by: Chris Christie at January 15, 2014 10:26 AM (PYAXX)

I find that "hard to swallow"

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 10:27 AM (84oau)

 

Krispy doesn't find anything hard to swallow, including King Barry's jizz.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (DrWcr)

45 Christie essentially screwed Romney big-time. Yet, all the RINOs and GOP establishment types are still clustering around him like the moons around Jupiter. Don't the RINOs even care that he backstabbed one of their own?? Linda McMahon told people to vote for Obama. Somehow I suspect she'll always get NRSC money for her stupid vanity campaigns in Connecticut.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 06:32 AM (sv/s3)

46

Another reason not to stand up FOR Christie  is that he's accused of  using his power to abuse citizens.   Which of course is NOTHING like what Cruz was doing, who in fact was doing the exact opposite: trying to help citizens who were being abused by their government. 

 

If  it turns out Christie is innocent?  Then fine, I'll say something.  Until then though, I'm not  going to lose any sleep over Christie getting picked on by the media. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 06:34 AM (TOk1P)

47 The GOP satrapy and the Democrat Empire want a Hillary vs. Lardzilla battle. The money is lining up behind it.

Posted by: eman at January 15, 2014 06:34 AM (AO9UG)

48 Clinton never broke 50% in an election.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 10:29 AM (sv/s3)



That's a point that keeps me somewhat optimistic about the future.  He probably wouldn't have been president if Perot hadn't siphoned off votes that may have gone to the pathetic Poppy Bush or the Viagra spokesman.  Still he's a much more gregarious type than Rodham, who is very awkward in public.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 06:34 AM (QYbdU)

49 I am against Christie on Global Warming grounds. Do you have any idea how much fuel it will take to get Marine 1 and AF 1 off the ground with him on board?

Every time he flies, the temperature of the planet will go up two degrees.

(Fat joke is allowable, IMO, as it riffs off his support for Globull Warmening policies.)


Posted by: West at January 15, 2014 06:34 AM (1Rgee)

50 Is it wrong that in my head I read this in Drew's muffled, marble mouthed, "what the hell is that accent" voice? Nothin but love, Drew. I hate my own recorded voice.

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 15, 2014 06:35 AM (zEeUf)

51 Also, Christie is a lawyer. Can we please have somebody in government who is not part of this corrupt profession? Anybody?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 06:35 AM (T0NGe)

52 There are two basic reasons I donÂ’t want to see Christie be the GOP nomineeÂ…his support for immigration amnesty and his acceptance of ObamaCareÂ’s Medicaid expansion. For me, either of those is disqualifying. Both? ItÂ’s intervention time. And of course the gun control thing. And the Obromance. And except for stepping on teacher union toes, what exactly make him any different than a Democrat?

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 15, 2014 06:35 AM (GeVLX)

53 Can we start a third party? A 'progressive' party? And run someone who the progs will kill to vote for? So we can siphon off some Cankles support.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 10:27 AM (OZmbA)

=======

That would be SMART.

So, of course, we can't do it...

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 15, 2014 06:35 AM (OtQXp)

54 They aren't clustering around Christie by choice,they are held there by his gravitational pull.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 06:35 AM (zqvg6)

55 but i'm just not so into politicians that actually have power over my life taking their responsibilty to the populace so lightly. in other words, We and our lives are not your toys. Posted by: willow Which is why the 2nd Amendment is my line in the sand. Against it? I'll never vote for you.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (b1/nQ)

56 Roves statement that the tea party is behind Christie is for the big donors he is afraid they will stop giving him their checks

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (zOTsN)

57 Another reason not to stand up FOR Christie is that he's accused of using his power to abuse citizens. Which of course is NOTHING like what Cruz was doing, who in fact was doing the exact opposite: trying to help citizens who were being abused by their government. Cruz sent out mailers asking for money. That makes him bad, or something. Chris Christie would never do that.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (sv/s3)

58 27 Christie essentially screwed Romney big-time. Yet, all the RINOs and GOP establishment types are still clustering around him like the moons around Jupiter. Don't the RINOs even care that he backstabbed one of their own?? Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 10:30 AM (YYJjz) === I tend to think Romney was a patsy. Guy thought he could win.

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (GSIDW)

59 Oh, stop worrying. I may decide to delay the 2016 election.

Posted by: Fieldmarshal Barracko Bama at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (JQuNB)

60 And yet Romney had no *actual* skeletons in his closet, no blood on his hands.

But sure, let's call Hillary's track record of incompetence a "Romney problem."
Whatever.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (POpqt)

61 Christie essentially screwed Romney big-time. Yet, all the RINOs and GOP establishment types are still clustering around him like the moons around Jupiter. Don't the RINOs even care that he backstabbed one of their own?? Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 10:30 AM (YYJjz) --- Mitt was never a "beltway RINO". RINO, yes, but from a different .. herd? As for Christie, I will not vote for him. Period. I will vote Libertarian before I'll vote for another statist who claims "party unity!". Sink the New Jersey Whale! Mew

Posted by: acat at January 15, 2014 06:36 AM (4UkCP)

62 amen, rick.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 06:37 AM (nqBYe)

63 They aren't clustering around Christie by choice,they are held there by his gravitational pull. Posted by: steevy -------------------------------- Ah. That would explain D.C., people attracted by a black 'hole. I denounce myself.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 06:37 AM (aDwsi)

64 If Stimpson J. Christie gets the GOP nod, I'm writing in "a newt" for US President.

It can only get better.

Posted by: Jethro Q. Walrustitty at January 15, 2014 06:38 AM (Lk9TG)

65

@ 40 - "and in before we're called Purists."

 

True dat.

 

But it brings up another point - if demanding that the GOP nominee NOT be someone who cuddles with Obama on stormy nights, helps to implement ObamaCare, and who uses the power of government to punish his political opponents is "purist," then the term "pure" has absolutely no meaning anymore.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:38 AM (YYJjz)

66 Another reason not to stand up FOR Christie is that he's accused of using his power to abuse citizens.


He's a former federal attorney who is used to rolling over people with the ability to bankrupt them if they choose to stand up for themselves.  He's no better than Client 9 and, if we are willing to be brutally honest, Giuliani was the same way in that regard.  When he whaled on that idiot school teacher, we applauded him only because his target was an unsympathetic dimwit.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 06:38 AM (QYbdU)

67 If Christie gets the nom, I'll actually work for Hillary's campaign. Might as well. We've already suffered through 8 years of one Diversity Hire. Might as well get the Gender Diversity Hire out of the way before we start rebuilding.

Posted by: Fen at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (a422o)

68 Christie has deeper problems than just being too much of a "centrist" and the current silliness over the George Washington Bridge. When the Romney Campaign was looking at him as a potential VP to Mitt, they found a whole host of unanswered questions about financial dealings, etc with people in Jersey. These were never answered, and Christie was dropped from VP consideration. This went a LONG WAY to Christie's animosity towards the Romney Campaign. So yeah, that whole "loyalty" bit surfaces.....again. Christie is loyal only to his own ego. Christie appears as a reformer in New Jersey, just because the Democrat Party machine politics there are so corrupt. They have rotted out the finances of the state government. Christie has had some success in fixing all that. But Christie is more likely the soulmate of John McCain, and will stab his own party in the back if his ego tells him to. Sven doesn't like Kasich anymore (in Ohio), and I too have problems with his adoption of the Medicare Expansion, and the way he did it. It was bad, and it stinks. But he has never tried to openly stab other Republicans in the back, until the Medicare expansion problem surface and the Republicans in the Ohio House said "no". For all his recent apostasies, he is not Christie.

Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (RFeQD)

69 What's the conservative appeal of Christie, other than fighting with the teacher's unions?

Posted by: --- at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (MMC8r)

70 Prediction: Hillary will campaign on her opponent's lack of foreign policy experience.

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (QupBk)

71 Posts and Comments like these are why I've mostly abandoned ace's. Christie is my guy for now I admit (though I'm open to Walker, Rubio, and maybe Perry also) but still here we are attacking one of our own. Christie did act strange during the 2012 election but if you think his behavior during Sandy handed the election to Obama then you still haven't come to terms to why we lost that race. The fact is the economy looked like it was getting better and Obama's approvals were on the rise. Of course his 2nd term has proven to suck as much as his first and the public is experiencing another bout of Buyer's Remorse but those were the facts on the ground in 2012. Christie may have issues (anti-Guns, O-Care Exchange, etc) but he is also the guy who took and beat the Unions, cur Planned Parenthood funding FIVE times, and has been battling with the NJ Dem legislature to cut taxes no matter how many times they keep blocking him. Not to mention his ability to grab Independents who backed Obama twice and being the only Republican this far out giving Hillary a scare. But given the tendencies of people here to call everyone a RINO!!! and disqualify any candidate that may give us a shot to win, i'm not surprised by this. You guys enjoy "sending a message", unlike JeffB who takes the abuse I don't need to stick around and play polarity around here. I've found more more open-minded and friendlier forums even in places that are anti-Christie. You guys enjoy insulting and out shouting each other, but i'm done with ace's. It's sad given this use to be a 2nd home to me, but it's no longer what I used to love it for. Goodbye Ace and company.

PS - I will still follow and enjoy commentary on twitter and elsewhere from some of the good co-bloggers on here. That use to include Drew but given his idiotic anti-Latino ramblings and "let it burn" crap (which makes this post laughable given he's suppose to not care) he left that list a long time too. Use to love Ace but he too has fallen in favor. I won't be missing much. Have at it morons.

Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (yAor6)

72 remember Romney rejected Christie as veep when Christie refused to turn over his financials, and they found some other dirt as well I am sure Hillary already has the info and is holding it If nominated, he will not win. This is a loser

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (zOTsN)

73 Sink the New Jersey Whale! Mew Posted by: acat at January 15, 2014 10:36 AM (4UkCP) “...to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.”

Posted by: Hillary "Khan" Clinton at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (84oau)

74 "To that I say what General Anthony McAuliffe said at the Battle of the BulgeÂ…'Nuts'." ISWYDT

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 06:39 AM (Y92Nd)

75 "There are two basic reasons I donÂ’t want to see Christie be the GOP nomineeÂ…his support for immigration amnesty and his acceptance of ObamaCareÂ’s Medicaid expansion."

Two basic reasons? Not that those aren't valid, but off the top of my head, add:

-- Christie's slobbering rim job of Obama on election eve 2012

-- Christie's demands to pass the disgraceful post-Sandy "relief" pork bill

-- Christie's endemic hostility to the Second Amendment

-- Christie's warm and friendly welcome to Islamists

Christie. Tar. Feathers. Some assembly required. Perhaps extra tar.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (gqT4g)

76 What particular issue of import to the country do we gain on if we support Christie over a dem? 2A, judges, defense, fiscal, social, immigration? I do not see one single thing. He is indistinguishable from a lib. What if he wins? No positive action on any important issue while the livs grow further disgusted with the GOP brand leading to a bloodbath in the midterms and loss of the house AGAIN.

Posted by: simon jester at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (yAewn)

77

I don't support Christie.  I don't like him and I don't want him.  If he's the nominee, I won't vote for him.

 

BUT. . .

 

The Christie issue for conservatives should not be Christie and his record, but the biased MFM which crucifies him for much less than the dog-eating crackhead in the White House!

 

THAT'S where Christie should be supported:  Fuck the media!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (zF6Iw)

78
The choice would not be difficult.  Rodham the Scrunt or Chris Christie, and I'm going for a write in candidate like Emily Litella or Miss Cleo of Psychic Friends Network.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (pJF+c)

79 I say, how did ”but he’s electable!” work out for you last time?”
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Correction: the last TWO times.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (VjL9S)

80 Christie is never going to make it out of the primaries as a viable candidate. He might get a little play in NH, but he will be a tough sell in Iowa. And in any state west of the Appalachians, south of the Mason-Dixon line....forget it. Why? Because he's got that charming New Jersey personality. What we discovered is that Christie yells at everybody, not just the entitled unioneers. That doesn't play at all in the Midwest and the South. Not at all. It does play well in NY/NJ, but it has its limits. Everybody likes the wiseguy when he's funny ("funny how?") but when he screws up, they jump on him like wild dogs. rdbrewer linked to a Daily Caller article where Springsteen slammed Christie in a song. "It's in my nature," says the scorpion. Christie has gained the whole world (well, New Jersey) but lost his soul.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (T0NGe)

81 For the Christie fans, riddle me this: 
Giulani was a distinguished prosecutor, won the mayorship twice in the very blue area (more blue than Jersey), and substantially improved the life of all New Yorkers.  And he did this without backstabbing his own party despite serious policy disagreements such as abortion and gun control.  Giulani is someone I felt even as a conservative that would make a decent president. 

Christie was an undistinguished prosecutor, who has won the governorship of NJ twice, but has by all measures not really improved the lives and economic life of New Jersey during his tenure.  He has done this by attacking the very party that supports him and highlighted his disagreements with the party on abortion, gun control, government spending, etc.  Every critical political choice that Christie has made, including trying to oust the Republican minority leader in the NJ legislature has been about him.  Notably, I feel the same way about former Gov. Huckabee--narcissism and lashing out, using state funds to promote oneself, attacking your own party, using state power for petty attacks on others, these are not things that a principled politician does.  Christie in office will act as the StayPuff Marshmallow Man destroyer for the GOP just as his spiritual brother Schwarzenegger did for the GOP in California. 



 

Posted by: wg at January 15, 2014 06:40 AM (IZtm6)

82 Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6) Bye then.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:41 AM (PYAXX)

83 50 Also, Christie is a lawyer. Can we please have somebody in government who is not part of this corrupt profession? Anybody? Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 10:35 AM (T0NGe) So you want Cruz gone also?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 15, 2014 06:41 AM (bCEmE)

84 Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6) Buh-bye!

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 15, 2014 06:41 AM (JQuNB)

85

I would pay extra tax if it meant that every politician was required to pass a  civics spelling  class before taking office. I bet most of the current crop would fail dismally.

 

Fixed.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 06:41 AM (zF6Iw)

86 "Prediction: Hillary will campaign on her opponent's lack of foreign policy experience"

They certainly haven't had to dodge sniper fire the way that I have.

Posted by: Hillary at January 15, 2014 06:42 AM (gqT4g)

87 "If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve.... you try getting 400 pounds of blubber running"

Posted by: "William Tecumseh" Christie at January 15, 2014 06:42 AM (84oau)

88 Goodbye Ace and company. Well, bye.

Posted by: curly bill at January 15, 2014 06:42 AM (QupBk)

89 I've voted in four presidential elections, Romney was the first time I actually sucked it up and voted for the GOP candidate. I pretty much didn't trust Romney on Obamacare as well as a whole host of other issues, but I at least acknowledged that he's a fundamentally decent person, and as a money man might have been able to get the debt under control.


Christie is at least as bad as Romney on the issues (arguably worse) and lacks all of Romney's redeeming qualities. He's the nominee, I'm going right back to voting third party.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 15, 2014 06:42 AM (W7ffl)

90 These are not the droids you are looking for.

Posted by: Obese Wan Kenobi at January 15, 2014 06:42 AM (g4TxM)

91 AllenG is faster than me and that's not fair. I demand legislation.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at January 15, 2014 06:42 AM (JQuNB)

92
When Christie did the hug-fest with O'Bama, he never though the unwashed members of the proletariat would defy his natural ascendency to the presidency.  Well Chrispy, you fucked up and the public knows the jig is up. 

Posted by: Doctor Fish at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (pJF+c)

93 “...to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee.” Posted by: Hillary "Khan" Clinton ---------------- I was going to guess Ahab, rather than Kahn. But it caused me to look for an Ahab quote: " The white whale tasks me; he heaps me. Yet he is but a mask. 'Tis the thing behind the mask I chiefly hate; the malignant thing that has plagued mankind since time began; the thing that maws and mutilates our race, not killing us outright but letting us live on, with half a heart and half a lung. "

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (aDwsi)

94 Excellent post, Drew. I would love to see Ted Cruz use Canada's Socialist health care system to not only attack Obamacare, but the idea of Universal Health Care as a whole. I'm not sure if Mr. Cruz is up to the task, but if he is, his thoughts about health care would start an honest conversation not only here, but in Canada as well. I can imagine that he still has family living in Canada, people that he knows and loves and are deeply affected by the atrocity that is Universal Health Care. He can point out numerous examples of the flaws of Universal Health Care, and he can use real people as examples. God, that would be great.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (Wp8ly)

95 Christie is also an amnesty shill that's my line in the sand doing so will turn TX blue, and decades of democratic control of Congress and the Presidency

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (zOTsN)

96 21 Can we start a third party? A 'progressive' party? And run someone who the progs will kill to vote for? So we can siphon off some Cankles support.

That would work...if the Media wasn't so totally in favor of Clinton that any such party/candidate would get ZERO press.  See: Ralph Nadir in 2000, (vs. Ross Perot in 92 and 96, of course).

Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (P7hip)

97 Christie?!

I don't like his cuffs!

Posted by: Bearnaise at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (Lk9TG)

98 Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6)

-1

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (QYbdU)

99

70 -

 

Looked at the name, didn't read because you're a whiny troll. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (TOk1P)

100 68 What's the conservative appeal of Christie, other than fighting with the teacher's unions? He represents the interests and politics of the Republican party's leadership.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (sv/s3)

101 I will not vote for Christie as President, but if I was in NJ I'd have voted for him. And I support him as Gov of NJ and think this entire scandal is BS, Oh sure, he may have ordered it, But how many times have democrats skirted around a scandal How many free passes did the media give Obummer? Fast and the Furious, Benghazi, IRS Targeting of the Tea Party, The NSA? Hell, I lost track and can't name all the scandals that Obama has command responsibility for. I am of Scots-Irish descent and it is a requirement that both sides play by the same rulebook, otherwise they aren't rules.

Posted by: Holger at January 15, 2014 06:43 AM (rIk1N)

102 AuthorLMendez

well i guess thanks for that input.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 06:44 AM (nqBYe)

103 He's a former federal attorney who is used to rolling over people with the ability to bankrupt them if they choose to stand up for themselves. He's no better than Client 9 and, if we are willing to be brutally honest, Giuliani was the same way in that regard. When he whaled on that idiot school teacher, we applauded him only because his target was an unsympathetic dimwit. Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 10:38 AM (QYbdU) This. It doesn't make him a bully. But he's a one trick pony.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 06:44 AM (Y92Nd)

104 I supported Romney in 2008 & 2012, I had my reasons, most of which are that everyone else was worse. But then I come from old school main street business Republicans and am in the extractive industries. Integrity means a lot to me and Christie has none. I don't know who I will back, but I won't support Christie unless he is the nominee and that support will not extend farther than my vote. I know a lot of you guys hate Rubio over immigration, I disagree with you those of you on that, but barring a Tom Tancredo type I can support most of the current field over Christie easily from Cruz to Walker. Unless you give me a compelling candidate beginning with A or B I will just say my alphabet starts with Cr.

Posted by: Roy at January 15, 2014 06:44 AM (ggEAc)

105 well i guess thanks for that input. Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 10:44 AM (nqBYe) You forgot to bless his heart.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 06:44 AM (Y92Nd)

106 I would pay extra tax if it meant that every politician was required to pass a civics spelling class large kidney stone before taking office. I bet most of the current crop would fail dismally. Fixed. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 10:41 AM (zF6Iw) ***** Fixed again.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (g4TxM)

107

"The Christie issue for conservatives should not be Christie and his record, but the biased MFM which crucifies him for much less than the dog-eating crackhead in the White House! "

 

I disagree.  Chris Christie coddles radical Muslims, is anti-gun, is pro-illegal immigration, implemented ObamaCare, helped to shoot down Romney and re-elect Obama because of his personal pique against Romney, and has demonstrated the willingness to misuse government authority to punish his opponents just like Obama does.  That's a pretty bad record to try to tell us we should just ignore.

 

IMO, if the news media manages to destroy Christie, it will have done us the service of saving us from ourselves.  Even a broke clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (YYJjz)

108 -- Christie's warm and friendly welcome to Islamists To be fair, that's a thing that both R's and D's agree on. Religion of peace and all that sort of thing.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (GeVLX)

109

Not all Republicans hate ObamaCare, some even implemented parts of it. One of the Republican governors to do so is Chris Christie

 

Christie did NOT set up an Obamacare exchange in NJ.  Gotta go through 404care.com

 

But yes, he did take the free*  money for medicaid expansion. (as did numerous other GOP govs (Branstand, Kasich etc..) 

 

 

Posted by: McCool at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (nCSwS)

110 I don't like Christie: his pants are not sufficiently creased.

Posted by: David Frum at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (Wp8ly)

111 Mendez isn't a troll.
But He is wrong about thinking Christie would be good for our efforts to stop overwhelming govt authority.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (nqBYe)

112 Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6)



Later brah, haven't missed your jump on every bandwagon that comes by schtick one bit.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 15, 2014 06:45 AM (W7ffl)

113 Christie lost me with his positions on immigration, medicaid expansion, AGW, and the 2nd Am. The Obama lovefest and RNC speech were just icing on the turd. That's four pretty fucking big policies to get wrong. As a matter of fact, I have to sit here and think what's left that matters after that. But then, someone is seriously going to prance in here in a minute and tell me that I'm being too pure.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 06:46 AM (U1Tts)

114 "Christie in office will act as the StayPuff Marshmallow Man destroyer for the GOP just as his spiritual brother Schwarzenegger did for the GOP in California."

This.

This with the heat of a thousand exploding suns.

I said to one of the handful of Republicans left in Commiefornia, the night that der Groppenfuhrer locked up the governorship, "What are you celebrating?"

What followed was the plastic Austrian android naming a bunch of career liberal Democratic party hacks to run his administration. No reductions in per capita state spending. Idiotic "global warming" laws. Unconstitutional gun bans. Just a whole catalog of awesomeness.

Merely because a candidate says "Republican" on the label is no reason for smiling. Schwarzenegger proved that conclusively.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 15, 2014 06:46 AM (gqT4g)

115 and that is what this next election is about For Me..

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 06:46 AM (nqBYe)

116

Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6)

 

Computer monitor, Hot Air button, yada, yada. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 06:46 AM (zF6Iw)

117

@ 70 - "Posts and Comments like these are why I've mostly abandoned ace's."

 

Well...don't let the door smack ya where nature done crack ya.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:46 AM (YYJjz)

118 Just got back from town so late to the thread:


There are two basic reasons I don�t want to see Christie be the GOP nominee�his support for immigration amnesty and his acceptance of ObamaCare�s Medicaid expansion. For me, either of those is disqualifying. Both? It�s intervention time.



Don't forget strike three.  He is also a gun grabber. In short he is a Democrat with an R after his name.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 15, 2014 06:46 AM (T2V/1)

119 I was going to guess Ahab, rather than Kahn. Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 10:43 AM (aDwsi) Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, Ricardo Montalban in all his chest, "Corinithan Leather" glory

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 06:47 AM (84oau)

120 Mendez isn't a troll. Not any more, anyway. If we take him at his word.

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 06:47 AM (QupBk)

121 118 You know the chest was fake?

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 06:47 AM (zqvg6)

122 Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 10:43 AM (Wp8ly) Naa... suddenly eligibility requirements would become big news again. "Oh, he held dual citizenship! Is he eligible for President!?! We demand proof!!!!" I'd love someone like Cruz as President, but I don't think Ted is the man- yet. Let people get used to him on the national level first. I could support (ish) Scott Walker (I know he's done some things conservatives don't like that much- but at least he *has* been solid on the Fiscal side, and he hasn't really stabbed Cons in the back). I would love for Perry to run again. There are others I can't think of off the top of my head- all good options. We've got a deep bench- the problem is that they all want to run at the same time, which hands the nomination to people like McCain, Romney, and Christie when they simply win a plurality of the votes.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:48 AM (PYAXX)

123 You can talk about a “big tent” all you want but if it’s big enough to include people who endorse a significant part of ObamaCare, you don’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles. I'm still waiting for the wing of the tent for the conservatives to stop having the elephant dung shoveled into it. The only point I can see to defending Christie, and it's not really a defense of Christie, is that I do think Republicans and conservatives should leap upon the chance to say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Christie should be impeached for the alleged misspending of the Sandy relief funds, well, let's just haul out the list of what TFG has done. If closing a lane on a bridge is awful, what about the IRS and on and on and on.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 06:48 AM (VtjlW)

124 Christie essentially screwed Romney big-time. Yet, all the RINOs and GOP establishment types are still clustering around him like the moons around Jupiter.
============
Because they go from campaign to campaign; it's just a job and the only thing they care about is getting the next job with the next "front-runner"--not in any damned way, shape or form about winning.

Kevin Dujan dropped that bit of knowledge--how all the top level campaign guys, even as McCain was giving his concession speech, were already jockeying to get on the Romney bus.

So, he's been sick but he had some decent inside knowledge: I wonder who the re-tread losers are lining up for now. That'll tell you more about who they want than anything else.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 06:48 AM (VjL9S)

125 118 You know the chest was fake? Not True!

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 15, 2014 06:48 AM (GeVLX)

126 "Notably, I feel the same way about former Gov. Huckabee--narcissism and lashing out, using state funds to promote oneself, attacking your own party, using state power for petty attacks on others, these are not things that a principled politician does." Not a coincidence they're both overweight, either.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (Y92Nd)

127 Moderate Republican should not be supporting the Fat Man either.  As I said, he is a Democrat with an R after his name.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (T2V/1)

128 I like Perry and maybe by 2016 the horror of another Texas guy will have faded and he wont be on pain meds.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (zqvg6)

129 120 118 You know the chest was fake? http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ricardo+montalban%27s+chest&FORM=HDRSC2

Posted by: --- at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (MMC8r)

130 that's sort of like a girl calling up a guy she hasn't spoken to in weeks, months, and saying "I just called to let you know I don't think about you! And we are still broke up, OK!?!? I totes broke up with you first, and don't you dare tell anyone anything different!!! So....you seeing anyone?"

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (zOTsN)

131 Arthur L Mendez.

Yeah I am gonna go hang my head in "shame."

I know when I need taught what being a better American is I look to import 44 million Mexicans.

How Mexico's south border these days?

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (TE35l)

132 Last night I got a phone call.

"Is this Kensington," the man asked.

"Who's calling," I replied.

"I'm Joe Schmo with the Illinois Republican Party. Are you a Republican," he said.

"I'm a conservative," I said.

"Well then you're definitely a Republican!" he said.

"Noooooooo," I said. "I wouldn't assume that so easily."

"So you're not a Republican" he asked. He seemed confused.

"I used to be a Republican; now I consider myself an independent conservative."

"Oh. well, thanks anyway," he said and hung up without even inquiring anything further or trying to draw me back in.

And that's why Republicans suck and lose elections.

Posted by: Kensington at January 15, 2014 06:49 AM (H84UO)

133 Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, Ricardo Montalban in all his chest, "Corinithan Leather" glory Posted by: MikeH -------------- Really? Then the line was stolen, almost outright, from 'Moby Dick' : " From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale. "

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 06:50 AM (aDwsi)

134 Christie also calls anyone who worries about the connection between Islam and terrorism an "Islamophobe." The guy is a serious scumbag.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at January 15, 2014 06:50 AM (kTTUz)

135 "And don't bother asking me to come back! I like so totally would never!! So. like. Don't even ask me. I mean you could beg..."

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:50 AM (zOTsN)

136 The only point I can see to defending Christie, and it's not really a defense of Christie, is that I do think Republicans and conservatives should leap upon the chance to say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If Christie should be impeached for the alleged misspending of the Sandy relief funds, well, let's just haul out the list of what TFG has done. If closing a lane on a bridge is awful, what about the IRS and on and on and on.



Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 10:48 AM (VtjlW)

 

Thank you, Imperial One.  Exactly what I've been saying.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 06:50 AM (zF6Iw)

137 Someone had the theory that Christie stabbed Romney because Christie wanted a shot at 2016, which he couldn't get under a Romney presidency (he'd have to wait until 2020).  That sounds a lot like Christie to me.

Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 06:50 AM (P7hip)

138 I still find it incredible that after the entire Obamacare debacle in the first term--when the GOP clearly should've been running against the whole sorry spectacle--they managed to nominate the ONE person in the entire country who also had his name on a government-run health-care plan.

The only one.

I honestly don't think they want to win.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 15, 2014 06:51 AM (4YUWF)

139 I would love for Perry to run again. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 10:48 AM (PYAXX) Me too, buuuuuuuut he is weak on immigration. Remember the "you have no heart" remark? Still, it didn't matter much to me then...

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 06:51 AM (Wp8ly)

140 oooooh did we just have a flounce? I love people that announce a flounce. Attention-seeking much?

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 15, 2014 06:51 AM (A9hpr)

141

110 -

 

He IS a troll.  This is the same tripe he's been  peddling for the whole time I've been familiar with  his name, and that goes back at least to the early days of  the '12 election season.

 

We're mean.  We don't consider the feelings  of our more sensitive occupants of  the big tent.   He didn't leave us, we left him blah blah blah.

 

Good riddance.  I wish he'd  stay away.  But he won't.  Trolls gotta troll.  It's what  they do. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (TOk1P)

142 Don't defend Christie. However, feel perfectly free to use his smoldering remains as a rallying point to attack the media. ...after they've done our bidding for once, if unintentionally.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (naUcP)

143

@ 131 - "And that's why Republicans suck and lose elections."

 

The way the partisan affiliation polls are going, sometime in early 2015 is probably going to be the point where "former Republican" officially outnumbers "Republican"

 

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (YYJjz)

144 Christie can't be considered a serious contender. Too fat.

Posted by: GLAAD at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (JQuNB)

145 119 toby928© at January 15, 2014 10:47 AM (QupBk)

I'll miss Arthur L Mendez and his preaching on "the sun will come out tomorrow", and how "Barack Obama's actions aren't a big deal", and "America has a duty to jedi hand wave in 44 million more democrats because "conservatism."


Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (TE35l)

146 Agreed, screw Christie.  He's a weak sauce establishment republican.

Posted by: Draki at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (L8r/r)

147 there was indeed a flounce

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 06:52 AM (zOTsN)

148 Is Ted Cruz eligible for the Presidency?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 06:53 AM (Wp8ly)

149 Really? Then the line was stolen, almost outright, from 'Moby Dick' : " From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale. " When there's no one's ear to stick a bug in, reading Melville is about the only thing to do when in space exile.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 15, 2014 06:53 AM (GeVLX)

150 your move fat man.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 06:53 AM (KHo8t)

151

@ 137 - "I honestly don't think they want to win"

 

If you win, they actually have to get off the golf course and do something.

 

If you're out of office, all you have to do is send out mailers to the base asking for more donations.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 06:53 AM (YYJjz)

152 'Wrath of Kahn' is filled with Moby Dick allusions.

Posted by: --- at January 15, 2014 06:54 AM (MMC8r)

153 His fatal flaws are much more numerous and fatal than just Stalincare.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 15, 2014 06:54 AM (2A43Q)

154 "I'm Joe Schmo with the Illinois Republican Party. Are you a Republican," he said.

Illinois Republicans?

I hate Illinois Republicans.

Posted by: Elwood Blues[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 15, 2014 06:54 AM (6T8Ay)

155 Me too, buuuuuuuut he is weak on immigration. Remember the "you have no heart" remark? Still, it didn't matter much to me then... He's not as weak as current DC Republicans. The Texas DREAM act is a Texas plan that was passed with broad approval in Texas. The "heartless" remark was stupid and ill-considered, but Perry has actually been pretty strong on the border, and resists Amnesty (though he does believe that something other than mass deportations needs to be done regarding the illegals who are currently here). That said... I'm struggling to find a Republican who is strong on Immigration AND strong in all the other areas, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (PYAXX)

156 21 Can we start a third party? A 'progressive' party? And run someone who the progs will kill to vote for? So we can siphon off some Cankles support.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 10:27 AM (OZmbA)


I'm hoping Bernie Sanders follows through on his threat to run as a Socialist. Every little bit helps.

Posted by: joncelli at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (RD7QR)

157 They didn't " steal" it from Moby Dick,Khan was supposed to be a cerebral,well read type,he was using classic literature.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (zqvg6)

158 'Wrath of Kahn' is filled with Moby Dick allusions. Funny they went back to that well for "First Contact"...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (naUcP)

159

If only  we could get DrewMs choice for President,  Newt Gingrich to run.  He  and Nancy Pelosi could save us from the Global Warming fiasco.    

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (m2CN7)

160 And he is an anti-gun pussy. Hey, check out this Newtown anniversary vid: http://tinyurl.com/l43kda5 Yeah, that's my pro-gun voice-over atop the anti-gunners' camera footage and clicking-tock motif. I even used some of the "moms against" voice-over. Much more effective now.

Posted by: Alec Rawls at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (kTTUz)

161

" From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale. "

 

Hey!

Posted by: Chris Christie at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (BrQrN)

162 Agreed, screw Christie. He's a weak sauce establishment republican.

I know!  I know!

Let's nominate another Republican from the Northeast!

It's gotta work this time.  Amirite?!?!?

Posted by: The Republican Establishment[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 15, 2014 06:55 AM (6T8Ay)

163 Let's all just take a second here and be reminded how excited we all were when Christie was first elected. It would do us well to remember this. Perhaps us conservatives need to do a better job in scrutinizing a person's background and character before we get on the bandwagon, hm?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 06:56 AM (Wp8ly)

164 Live long and prosper!

Posted by: Obese Wan Kenobi mixing the memes at January 15, 2014 06:56 AM (g4TxM)

165 Christie is loyal only to his own ego. Party loyalty for me and not for thee. He is a bitter, thin-skinned liberal who benefits from the fact that the Democrats around him are much worse. He's Richard Nixon.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 06:56 AM (T0NGe)

166 38
The prophecy must be fulfilled. After America's first sodomite President, it must elect a lesbian.

Posted by: The Book of Revelation at January 15, 2014 10:32 AM (vTBuV)


So does the first trump sound when we get the tranny president?

Posted by: joncelli at January 15, 2014 06:56 AM (RD7QR)

167 Oh, and Khan totes stole that line from Ahab.

Posted by: Obese Wan Kenobi mixing the memes at January 15, 2014 06:56 AM (g4TxM)

168 150 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 10:53 AM (YYJjz)

If they were bothered by going after the states using specious wham bam Xth and VIVth amendment invocations that are directly contradictory they'd do something about it.

It's like at the lab this morning, I am watching b/c the staff has it on "Today."

Today has all the butthurt Donk Ass motherfuckers reading their "hurtful tweeps I have gotten.."

I laughed and said, "people are mad because we blew up 1/6th the economy and medical coverage for 9 million people wahhh..."

and everyone but staff started laughing...

male, female, black, white, asian, hispanic...EVERYONE because it was all white guys....

I think Hillary will not get the spigots.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 06:57 AM (TE35l)

169 Is Ted Cruz eligible for the Presidency? That question is nonsense anymore. We couldn't even successfully sue to have Obama's eligibility verified. Therefore, you are eligible if you *say* you are eligible. That said- I tend to think so (he was born a US Citizen) despite the fact of the geography of his birth (in Canada).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:57 AM (PYAXX)

170 Fat Bastard Rino as the nominee is a guaranteed loser. The base will just vomit and say "fuck it", as I will. Tired of liberals who tack an "R" behind their name telling me what to think. Fuck them and fuck FBR.

Posted by: maddogg at January 15, 2014 06:57 AM (xWW96)

171 Christie lost me way back when he wouldn't join the other Republican governors in their lawsuit against Obamacare. He gave a bullshit excuse that NJ didn't have the resources to pay for the suit but, even after he was offered a "free ride" in the suit, he still refused to sign on. That told me all I needed to know.

There was even some talk at the time that, if the Supremes struck down certain parts of the law, that only the states that had joined the suit would be able to take advantage of having to implement some costly measures. Still the Fat Fuck refused to sign on.

Posted by: jeannebodine at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (2LJqa)

172 Christie is about the best you can get,in New Jersey.Just like Giuliani was the best you could get as Mayor of NY.Doesn't mean I support them for national office.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (zqvg6)

173 Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 10:55 AM (PYAXX) That was the moment when conservatives started to abandon him. He could have recovered from the "oops" moment if it wasn't for that "hearltess" remark.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (Wp8ly)

174 Oh, and Khan totes stole that line from Ahab. The Sheik of the burning sands?

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (GeVLX)

175 Don't forget his radical leftwing judicial appointments.  And the homosexual marriage issue.

Posted by: Federale (@Federale86) at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (ceoOP)

176 The prophecy must be fulfilled. After America's first sodomite President, it must elect a lesbian. Wait, I thought Mary Cheney wasn't intersted in politics...?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (naUcP)

177 who has won the governorship of NJ twice,
======
That should be with an asterisk.

I don't think anyone believes Christie would have won had he not handed Booker the Senate seat and got him out of the way.

Don't forget that, you all: When Christie had the chance to lock in a Republican in the Senate, he chose the option that benefited himself at the expense of the party. 

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 06:58 AM (VjL9S)

178 The least thing that I expect from someone who calls himself a "Republican" is to support the Republican presidential candidate...especially when that candidate is from the purported Republican's wing of the party and agrees with said Republican on basic issues. Cross party lines based on personal ego (Christie) or racial solidarity (Powell)? See ya.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 15, 2014 06:59 AM (T0NGe)

179 Let's all just take a second here and be reminded how excited we all were when Christie was first elected. IIRC, most of the Horde said, "Hey, that's awesome, an R in New Jersey. Of course, he'll be a RINO bastard, but he's the best NJ will be able to do." Which turns out to have been true.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 06:59 AM (PYAXX)

180

'Wrath of Kahn' is filled with Moby Dick allusions.

 

I remember the passage where Ahab tells Starbuck, "Take her out, Mr. Saavik."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 06:59 AM (zF6Iw)

181 How the hell is Christie "electable" if much of the conservative GOP base would stay home or vote 3rd party (as I might)?

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at January 15, 2014 06:59 AM (iuieR)

182 "Therefore, you are eligible if you *say* the media says you are eligible."

FIFY.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (4YUWF)

183 I think Perry was the best candidate from 2012, but conservatives abandoned him. I hope we learned from 2012. I really do.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (Wp8ly)

184 Someone had the theory that Christie stabbed Romney because Christie wanted a shot at 2016, which he couldn't get under a Romney presidency (he'd have to wait until 2020). That sounds a lot like Christie to me. Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 10:50 AM (P7hip) Winner winner big chicken dinner.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (Y92Nd)

185 I don't think anyone believes Christie would have won had he not handed Booker the Senate seat and got him out of the way.

Don't forget that, you all: When Christie had the chance to lock in a Republican in the Senate, he chose the option that benefited himself at the expense of the party.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (VjL9S)


yikes, i had no idea that had happened.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (nqBYe)

186 Just a random thought, but I really suspect that there are probably as many democrats as disgusted with the direction the democrat party is going as there are repubs (us) repulsed by the establishment repubs. Together, the disgusted dems and disgusted repubs could make up enough people to be a force. Maybe we would not vote for a candidate together, but we could refuse to vote for a candidate, therefore changing thenelection. For example, we would not vote for Chrisite, but they would. That would stop Hillary! They would not vote for Cruz, but we would. That would stop Jeb. It could be the beginning of overthrowing the parties as they currently are. Personally, I think taking over Congress is more important than the president.

Posted by: Chilling the most at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (gxtMZ)

187 Let's all just take a second here and be reminded how excited we all were when Christie was first elected. It would do us well to remember this. Perhaps us conservatives need to do a better job in scrutinizing a person's background and character before we get on the bandwagon, hm?
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 10:56 AM (Wp8ly)



Hey, I was supporting Lonnegan against him in the primary. I was thrilled when Christie managed to win in NJ, but I've never thought the guy was remotely conservative.


But I do agree, it would be nice if more conservatives actually paid attention to who these candidates are rather than just jump abord the next hyped up bandwagon ::cough::AnnCoulter::cough::

Posted by: mugiwara at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (W7ffl)

188 "Vengeance on a dumb brute! cried Starbuck, that simply smote thee from blindest instinct! Madness! To be enraged with a dumb thing, Captain Ahab, seems blasphemous. Hark ye yet again, --the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event --in the living act, the undoubted deed --there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. He tasks me; he heaps me; I see in him outrageous strength, with an inscrutable malice sinewing it. That inscrutable thing is chiefly what I hate; and be the white whale agent, or be the white whale principal, I will wreak that hate upon him."

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 07:00 AM (QupBk)

189 'Wrath of Kahn' is filled with Moby Dick allusions. I'm pretty sure they showed a copy of the book in the Winnebago they were all living in at the beginning of the movie. But my memory is a little fuzzy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:01 AM (U1Tts)

190 I like Ted Cruz a lot - I wish he would get the natural born issue settled in SCOTUS once & for all. That said I think being a governor is better preparation for the WH than being a senator. So maybe Ted Cruz as VP?

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 07:01 AM (GSIDW)

191 You guys shouldn't be so mean about his weight.  You should have seen how awesome his Chippendale tryout was!

Posted by: Zombie Chris Farley at January 15, 2014 07:01 AM (BrQrN)

192

162 -

 

I wasn't excited.  I really don't think much of New Jersey, but assuming it's the state that it probably is, at the time I would have thought any guy who could be elected as a Republican had to be a liberal scumbag.

 

Turns out I was right.  And still, that is better than a Democrat. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 07:01 AM (TOk1P)

193 So does the first trump sound when we get the tranny president?

 

Posted by: joncelli at January 15, 2014 10:56 AM (RD7QR)

I'm tanned, rested and ready!

 

-- the Mooch

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 07:01 AM (zF6Iw)

194 186 I think Ann Coulter liked his combativeness.He is just as likely to attack the right as the left though,more even.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:02 AM (zqvg6)

195

I don't think anyone believes Christie would have won had he not handed Booker the Senate seat and got him out of the way.

-

Exactly.  Some folks seem happy with the idea of doing whatever it takes to win a seat, even if all values have to be abandoned.   I would rather hitch my wagon to someone who will stand up for    what is right, even if they are the only person     to do so.  This is why my list of acceptable candidates is so small - in fact, Ted    Cruz is the only one with a 100% rating in my book so far.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 15, 2014 07:02 AM (2A43Q)

196 "Really? Then the line was stolen, almost outright, from 'Moby Dick' : " From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale. "

Posted by: Mike Hammer"


Yes, yes it was. It's hard to improve on the classics.



Posted by: West at January 15, 2014 07:02 AM (1Rgee)

197 181 tsj017 at January 15, 2014 11:00 AM (4YUWF)

Yup, over at Tepid a glee mafia poster Jetboy essentially argued that the reason he KNEW that it would stop at gay marriage one dude, one dude, one gal, one gal, guy/gal was "public opinion and the media will define normal."

They are not even aware(he claims he is a Log Cabineer) what that means, OR they are and don't give a fuck...

Gay Marriage failed everywhere it went to vote for a long time some media mewling and Judicial Lawfare broke the dam...

some "protection"...

The Republic is finished if we don't destroy the media.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:02 AM (TE35l)

198

@ 162 - "Let's all just take a second here and be reminded how excited we all were when Christie was first elected."

 

Quite a bit of difference.  Electing Christie in NJ was fine, because he can only affect NJ, and even as bad as he is, he's still a reactionary by NJ standards.

 

For the country as the whole, on the other hand...

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 07:02 AM (YYJjz)

199 178: No, I remember us being a bit more enthused than that. Rubio, too. We were all fucking stoked when he came along. We are never going to be happy with any one candidate; that's the nature of the best. The point is, if Romney were in office now, we'd all be singing a different tune.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:03 AM (Wp8ly)

200 You extremist wingnuts are the bane of the party. Christie got 57 percent of Hispanics! 30 percent of Blacks! 60 percent of women! In New Jersey! Imagine what he'll do in Iowa and Florida! If you guys want to nominate a maniac like Cruz, expect Goldwater all over again!

Posted by: JazzMother at January 15, 2014 07:03 AM (YmPwQ)

201 Perry's in-state tuition deal was different from other states' because there is no income tax and education is paid for through sales tax, which even the illegals pay into. Plus, the students have to demonstrate academic excellence and be demonstrably pursuing citizenship. I really wish conservatives wouldn't pile on him for what is an overwhelmingly popular program in his state.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 07:03 AM (Y92Nd)

202 yikes, i had no idea that had happened. Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 11:00 AM (nqBYe) ===== Part of it was also another opportunity to slap down former gov. rival Lonegan

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 07:03 AM (GSIDW)

203 If opposing every inch of ObamaCareÂ’s implementation isnÂ’t a core principle for conservatives, what is?
___
Supporting John Boehner's future career as a rich lobbyist?

Posted by: John Boehner at January 15, 2014 07:03 AM (P3U0f)

204 81 Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6)

Bye then.
============
Agreed.

Having utterly failed to make the case FOR Christie, you cut and run.

I mean, it's great that you like him but we have repeatedly detailed his multiple failings which throw a shadow over his good deeds larger than he does at 5 o'clock.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 07:03 AM (VjL9S)

205 Just a random thought, but I really suspect that there are probably as many democrats as disgusted with the direction the democrat party is going as there are repubs (us) repulsed by the establishment repubs. Sorry, but proof or bullshit. They choose the enemy's flag, they're the enemy.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (naUcP)

206 Ted Cruz has, so far, shown remarkable resistance to the corruption in DC. That alone demonstrates character. I would support him to the tits for Potus. At least as he now stands.

Posted by: maddogg at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (xWW96)

207 Posted by: JazzMother at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (YmPwQ) Is this a rockmom parody?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (Y92Nd)

208 You guys shouldn't be so mean about his weight. You should have seen how awesome his Chippendale tryout was! Posted by: Zombie Chris Farley at January 15, 2014 11:01 AM (BrQrN) Meh

Posted by: zombie patrick swayze at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (84oau)

209 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (Y92Nd) Good point. Can we please not fucking up like we did in 2012? Please?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (Wp8ly)

210 VIVth amendment I was never that good with Roman numerals, but, um....

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (U1Tts)

211

Election day flounces are worse: I'm too pure to vote for the RINO! I'll stay home/vote for third party/vote for the Donk!

 

So there!

Posted by: livingproof at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (eXzQH)

212 i liked when Christie yelled at the teacher union scrunt. Then I got over it.

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 15, 2014 07:04 AM (jNNPU)

213 I confess I was a big Christie supporter We were still in NJ and it was thrilling to have someone run for governor who wanted to take on the teachers unions and this is after Corzine mind you, who was having an affair with the head of the teacher's union while "negotiating" the new contract But after the weird speech at the convention fellating the JEF not putting anybody viable in the vacant senate seat rushing to hold a special election to fill that seat, which favored the dems plus gun control, Obamacare, amnesty nah I'm done

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (zOTsN)

214
I'm hoping Bernie Sanders follows through on his threat to run as a Socialist. Every little bit helps.

Posted by: joncelli at January 15, 2014 10:55 AM (RD7QR)



Then lets put an Internet team behind Bernie and help him reap all those LIVs who stare at their phones all day.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (OZmbA)

215 We haven't heard from Mary Clogstein of Brattleboro, VT in a while, come to think of it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (Y92Nd)

216 Posted by: The Former Moron Known As AuthorLMendez at January 15, 2014 10:39 AM (yAor6) To paraphrase Rumsfield, you go to the elections with the party you have, not the party you wish you had. No one despises Christie more than me, but I realize he's about the best we're going to do in New Jersey. Are the people here too fucking stupid to know that or are they just banging their dicks on the table to show who's the purest conservative? Who knows. Sure, it's a constant source of embarrassment to Ace that some of his most prolific commenters are also flat earth, two dimensional thinkers, but that's just how the internet works.

Posted by: jwest at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (u2a4R)

217 I really wish conservatives wouldn't pile on him for what is an overwhelmingly popular program in his state. It is quickly becoming less popular. Several TX Congressmen have started talking Repeal of Texas DREAM- they may even submit a bill to that effect in the next session. That said- yes, it is a far cry from being some Amnesty bill.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (PYAXX)

218 "185 Just a random thought, but I really suspect that there are probably as many democrats as disgusted with the direction the democrat party is going as there are repubs (us) repulsed by the establishment repubs. Together, the disgusted dems and disgusted repubs could make up enough people to be a force. Maybe we would not vote for a candidate together, but we could refuse to vote for a candidate, therefore changing thenelection. For example, we would not vote for Chrisite, but they would. That would stop Hillary! They would not vote for Cruz, but we would. That would stop Jeb. It could be the beginning of overthrowing the parties as they currently are.

Personally, I think taking over Congress is more important than the president."



Not a bad idea, but unfortunately it runs straight into the Prisoner's Dilemma.


Posted by: West at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (1Rgee)

219 OT I read that the WH is unhappy with Corey Booker,he is against their Iran policy or something.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (zqvg6)

220 Christie is about the best you can get,in New Jersey.Just like Giuliani was the best you could get as Mayor of NY.Doesn't mean I support them for national office.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (zqvg6)



This reflects what I've thought about the two of them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 07:05 AM (QYbdU)

221 Part of it was also another opportunity to slap down former gov. rival Lonegan Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (GSIDW) What Christie is vindictive? Nah

Posted by: Baby Born on GWB at January 15, 2014 07:06 AM (84oau)

222 'Wrath of Kahn' is filled with Moby Dick allusions.

Posted by: --- at January 15, 2014 10:54 AM (MMC8r)

 

I saw Moby Dick Allusions open for Moby Grape in '87.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 15, 2014 07:06 AM (DrWcr)

223 209 Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 11:04 AM (U1Tts)

sigh...XIVth

"er uh prift and earnings ratio"

//another dork

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:06 AM (TE35l)

224

You extremist wingnuts are the bane of the party. Christie got 57 percent of Hispanics! 30 percent of Blacks! 60 percent of women! In New Jersey! Imagine what he'll do in Iowa and Florida! If you guys want to nominate a maniac like Cruz, expect Goldwater all over again!

-

And this is what I am    talking about.  There is a wing of the GOP    that wants to accept 99% of the democrat platform in order to try and win elections.  Of course, once they win, they have no incentive or ability to actually do anything except mirror the democrat, but who cares?  They won the seat.

 

BTW,   the closest candidate we ever ran to Goldwater was Ronald Reagan, and you hated him too, in 1980.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 15, 2014 07:06 AM (2A43Q)

225 218 OT I read that the WH is unhappy with Corey Booker,he is against their Iran policy or something. Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (zqvg6) Also, he *HATES* golf

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 07:06 AM (84oau)

226 The only reason I'd vote for Christie is his obesity. The Dem obsession with health as a substitute for virtue is creepy. Problem is Christie is fat AND crooked.

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (GSIDW)

227 In 2012 we were all looking for a hill to die on, and it ended up killing every single one of us.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (Wp8ly)

228

Round  boy  is  a  statist  prick.  He  used  his  power  to  fuck  with  innocent  people  trying  to  travel  because  he  had  a  beef  with  another  statist  prick.  I  don't  want  a  shitheel  like  that  near  the  levers  of  national  power.

 

 

Besides  he's  completely  unelectable  on  a  national  level  with  his  stance  on  the  2nd  amendment,  illegals   and  the  plague  of  our  time,  obamacare. 

 

 

He  can  eat  a  bag  of  dicks  and  go  die  in  a  fire.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (rXcBX)

229 my eyes rolled so hard they almost fell out of my head.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (nqBYe)

230 "you donÂ’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles." A classic comment for the ages.

Posted by: gwelf at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (+7Usq)

231 Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (VjL9S) All politicians are self-serving assholes, but this spectacular point demonstrates how Christie is one who takes it way too far.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (U1Tts)

232 I saw Moby Dick Allusions open for Moby Grape in '87. Points for not going the obvious route. You want Moby Dick references... You'll settle for not having mobys in the thread... You get Moby on the radio all day.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, still chilly at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (naUcP)

233 I think Perry was the best candidate from 2012, but conservatives abandoned him. I hope we learned from 2012. I really do. Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 11:00 AM (Wp8ly) The only person who is to blame for Perry's showing in the 2012 primaries is Perry. I say this as someone who was on Team Perry even though the whole heartless comment still makes me want to go all throatpunchy. Oh hey there's another goose/gander how about each side in this treat the other in the manner that is being requested. Ad nauseam, if the moderates want the conservatives to be team players, then the moderates need to start showing an inclination to do so themselves.

Posted by: alexthechick - Come to us, oh mighty SMOD at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (VtjlW)

234 They didn't " steal" it from Moby Dick,Khan was supposed to be a cerebral,well read type,he was using classic literature. Posted by: steevy ------------------------------- I accept that. I was merely reacting to a quote attributed to a movie script, and pointing out the original source.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:07 AM (aDwsi)

235 I wholeheartedly agree Drew. Politics used to be my favorite sport but these days it all just sickens me and Christie/Establishment fucks are THE reason. I know to expect lying, treachery and backstabbing from democrats but somehow it still really stings coming from the 'right'. LIB

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at January 15, 2014 07:08 AM (ZxVJD)

236 Recent electoral history...

Republican candidate...seen by the public at the time as...

Romney...Moderate...Lost
McCain...Moderate...Lost
Bush 43...Conservative...Won
Bush 43...Conservative...Won
Dole...Moderate...Lost
Bush 41...Moderate/Liberal...Lost
Bush 41...Conservative...Won
Reagan...Very Conservative...Won in a landslide
Reagan...Very Conservative...Won in a landslide
Ford...Moderate...Lost

In fact, no Republican candidate seen by the public as conservative has lost since Goldwater, and none seen as a Moderate or Liberal has won since Nixon (depending on how you want to define his politics).

Nominating moderates guarantees a loss for Republicans, unless they can get them to pretend to be conservatives enough to persuade the LIVs (which worked for Bush 41 in 1988 and failed for Romney in 2012). And if we are going to get someone to pretend to be a conservative, why not get the real thing?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 07:08 AM (P3U0f)

237 Mary is still trying to hit all the adjectives to positively reinforce the fragile self-esteem of Ms. Dunham and her courageous sartorial choices.  Without stepping upon the toes of Michelle whom she has unstintingly praised also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2014 07:08 AM (FNVzS)

238 BUT STREET CRED

Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2014 07:08 AM (hHFOx)

239 As for the vaunted Shrillary, her accomplishments number exactly two: o She enabled four Americans in a diplomatic mission to be killed in Benghazi, and o She enabled a serial adulterer.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at January 15, 2014 07:08 AM (HsTG8)

240 I remember the passage where Ahab tells Starbuck, "Take her out, Mr. Saavik." Or when Ahab tells Wildstar to fire up the Wave Motion Gun. I love the classics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:08 AM (U1Tts)

241 not putting anybody viable in the vacant senate seat


Were thee anybody who could've subsequently taken on Booker?  I'm asking that as a serious question and not knowing the political landscape there.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 07:09 AM (QYbdU)

242 215 jwest at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (u2a4R)

Right J "throw grannie from das train" West...

we are all saying "fuck even having him in NJ! RAGE RAGE!"

You must go out of your way to be this retarded, God knows at times I work at my lesser offerings.

I would only call for NJ ejecting the Donut that ate the GWB if he is guilty by evidence...

Fuck him nationally, and it is a THRILL seeing him dumbfounded his media masters are scourging him.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:09 AM (TE35l)

243 I wouldn't call GW conservative,more conservative than a Dem yes,especially on defense and social issues.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:09 AM (zqvg6)

244 219 Christie is about the best you can get,in New
Jersey.Just like Giuliani was the best you could get as Mayor of
NY.Doesn't mean I support them for national office.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 10:58 AM (zqvg6)

This reflects what I've thought about the two of them.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (QYbdU)


^^This

Christie is a good Northeast corridor guy where everyone and his dog thinks they are liberal. He speaks their language--gruff New Jersey/NYC speak.  But that doesn't mean I want him to embrace his version of O-Care as president or try to Jersey-up the rest of the country.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 07:09 AM (OZmbA)

245 "You can talk about a “big tent” all you want but if it’s big enough to include people who endorse a significant part of ObamaCare, you don’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles."


Sort of like a "country with no borders", eh?

Posted by: noone, really [/i][/b] at January 15, 2014 07:09 AM (5ikDv)

246 *picks up willow's eyes* I think you dropped something.

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 15, 2014 07:09 AM (jNNPU)

247 would I vote for Christie in the primary? hell no. would i vote for Christie over Hillary or Liz Warren in the general? hell yes. which evil would you choose?

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 07:10 AM (KHo8t)

248 How about when Ahab told Rhett, "You like me! You really like me!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2014 07:10 AM (FNVzS)

249 if the moderates want the conservatives to be team players, then the moderates need to start showing an inclination to do so themselves.
***
The Republican establishment wants to run Obama's Leviathan, not get rid of it.

They see us as at least a big a threat to them as the Democrats are.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 07:10 AM (P3U0f)

250

Posted by: JazzMother at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (YmPwQ)

 

Man, cocaine's a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 07:10 AM (zF6Iw)

251 238
As for the vaunted Shrillary, her accomplishments number exactly two:

o She enabled four Americans in a diplomatic mission to be killed in Benghazi, and

o She enabled a serial adulterer.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at January 15, 2014 11:08 AM (HsTG


Then maybe we can hope that she'll buy us all booze so long as we understand that she's concerned about it.

Posted by: joncelli at January 15, 2014 07:10 AM (RD7QR)

252 For the record, Goldwater lost due to a Kennedy     assasination sympathy vote.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 15, 2014 07:10 AM (2A43Q)

253

Can we split the baby?

Would it be OK to say he's fine as NJ Governor but not as the party nominee for president? He's welcome in the tent, but not the man to play ringmaster.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 15, 2014 07:11 AM (SO2Q8)

254 I accept that. I was merely reacting to a quote attributed to a movie script, and pointing out the original source. Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 11:07 AM (aDwsi) Sarcasm, you get not

Posted by: Yodel at January 15, 2014 07:11 AM (84oau)

255 To paraphrase Rumsfield, you go to the elections with the party you have, not the party you wish you had. No one despises Christie more than me, but I realize he's about the best we're going to do in New Jersey. Fine. Leave his ass in Jersey.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 07:11 AM (b1/nQ)

256 Fuck Christy. O/T : so, since the funding bill removes $$ for lightbulb enforcement, can I have my incandescent s back? Please. Pretty fucking please w/a cherry on top?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 15, 2014 07:11 AM (3vltU)

257

@ 199 "You extremist wingnuts are the bane of the party. Christie got 57 percent of Hispanics! 30 percent of Blacks! 60 percent of women! In New Jersey! Imagine what he'll do in Iowa and Florida! If you guys want to nominate a maniac like Cruz, expect Goldwater all over again!"

 

They have blacks in Iowa?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 07:11 AM (YYJjz)

258 And fat ass is a gun grabber. What's his upside again?

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (F3dD0)

259 DangerGirl, , thanks they were just rolling around on the floor with no one minding them.

shares pot of tea.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (nqBYe)

260 Christie did act strange during the 2012 election but if you think his behavior during Sandy handed the election to Obama then you still haven't come to terms to why we lost that race.
========
Such bullshit.

I guess my eyes were lying to me when every single local and national news had this as their lead story for those weeks:
"Obaaama--look how strong and powerful he is, calming the storm!; See and marvel at how the REPUBLICAN Governor loves him, and not Romney! PS: Romney doesn't care about you, he's not even there! But: Obaaaama cares about you."

Yeah, let's pretend that didn't have any effect at all in the largest media market in the country--the media market that directly affects VA and OH.

That's just willful, dickish lying, to say otherwise.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (VjL9S)

261

Oh hey there's another goose/gander how about each side in this treat the other in the manner that is being requested. Ad nauseam, if the moderates want the conservatives to be team players, then the moderates need to start showing an inclination to do so themselves.

-

Exactly.  Right now, the GOP     apparatchiks are directing their donation money to establishment candidates, and freezing out conservatives.   Where your money is, there is your heart also.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (2A43Q)

262 I've never understood the appeal of the goodbye note. Just leave.

Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (hHFOx)

263 Many in the Republican establishment are perfectly happy to become the " conservative" opposition like it exists in Europe.That is,not conservative at all but slightly less socialist.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (zqvg6)

264 252: I'd support that notion.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:12 AM (Wp8ly)

265 No one despises Christie more than me, but I realize he's about the best we're going to do in New Jersey. Are the people here too fucking stupid to know that or are they just banging their dicks on the table to show who's the purest conservative? Who knows. He's a corrupt asshole who is damaging the brand. Him being in New Jersey only makes us look bad. Just admit you like Christie and because you agree with his politics you want to defend him. Don't hide behind this 'he's in a blue state' nonsense.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 07:13 AM (kZyv8)

266 Great post Drew.  It reminds me that I am out of popcorn.  brb.

Posted by: Muad'dib at January 15, 2014 07:13 AM (KjlbF)

267 Let him keep fighting the unions in NJ

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 07:13 AM (zOTsN)

268 Posted by: jwest at January 15, 2014 11:05 AM (u2a4R) Aaaaaand there's the first serious prancer.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:13 AM (U1Tts)

269 246 X at January 15, 2014 11:10 AM (KHo8t)

Nope, and I lost Soona's respect which actually does matter to me over it.

Sorry, Christie will nominate the same shit judges Hillary! would, enact the same policies, and allow the same out of control civil service BUT "my" party and vote would be the enabling force ...

I'm done with that noise, show me proven differences or show me the door.

I don't much care which anymore.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:13 AM (TE35l)

270 For the record, Goldwater lost due to a Kennedy assasination sympathy vote.
***
Also, the world was a rather different place politically at the time. Kennedy would be considered a far right winger by modern standards.

LBJ advanced the cause of national socialism significantly both due to his "successes" and his myriad failures, but to the average voter in 1964 it wasn't so obvious that this would be the result of their vote.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 07:13 AM (P3U0f)

271 Let's just send him a few dozen cheeseburgers and tell him to go away.

Posted by: Killerdog at January 15, 2014 07:14 AM (mryu2)

272 261 I've never understood the appeal of the goodbye note. Just leave. Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (hHFOx) but don't take the Cannoli

Posted by: Yodel at January 15, 2014 07:15 AM (84oau)

273 Is Christie short?  He looks short next to other pol's.   Isn't height a factor in presidential elections?  Maybe it's just that he's wide and looks short?

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 07:15 AM (OZmbA)

274

251 -

 

That,  and an almost complete lack of support from the northeastern liberal wing of  the party... who  subsequenstly   used the loss as an opportunity to try to excise conservatives from the party.

 

Sound familiar? 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 07:15 AM (TOk1P)

275

@ 215 jwest - " Are the people here too fucking stupid to know that or are they just banging their dicks on the table to show who's the purest conservative?"

 

You'd like that, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 07:15 AM (YYJjz)

276 271 He is as wide as he tall.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:16 AM (zqvg6)

277 Who else feels the need to call their grandmother immediately after a jwest sighting ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2014 07:16 AM (XlXO3)

278

Chris Christie is our best chance to win in 2016. Everybody who is serious about getting rid of Obamacare understands that we cant leave it to chance this time. If you choose to stay on the sidelines, you do nothing less than enable Democrats and their socialism!!!

Posted by: Begonia at January 15, 2014 07:16 AM (Wgeof)

279 Anna - Today is the anniversary of the birth of Moliere. I will sprinkle some quotes from through the threads, given the chance. Here's one for writers: "Writing is like prostitution. First you do it for love, and then for a few close friends, and then for money."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:16 AM (aDwsi)

280 For those who've seen the movie, Star Trek II has a quite explicit Moby Dick reference in the scene in the abandoned cargo hold.  One of the books on Khan's shelf is Moby Dick.

Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 07:16 AM (P7hip)

281 Crap "... from him..."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:17 AM (aDwsi)

282 "Now it can be told, I guess." - DrewM

LOL  Write on!

Posted by: mrp at January 15, 2014 07:17 AM (HjPtV)

283 Together, the disgusted dems and disgusted repubs could make up enough people to be a force.

No... and do you know why? Because most people haven't the foggiest idea about anything that's going on, nevermind the difference between the two parties. Some dude on Jeopardy last week thought Dan Rather was still on CBS. Think he's in the minority? Of the people who know he's no longer on CBS, how many know the reason why?

Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2014 07:17 AM (hHFOx)

284 He is as wide as he tall.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 11:16 AM (zqvg6)

 

He is as clumsy as he is stupid. 

Posted by: Darth Vader at January 15, 2014 07:18 AM (DrWcr)

285 276 Begonia at January 15, 2014 11:16 AM (Wgeof)

Right, he is going to slay Obamacare not by sitting on it but by embracing it and accepting the medicaid expansion...

Look I am a bot overloaded on crazy, try unloading yours somewhere else.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:18 AM (TE35l)

286 I would think that since LBJ was his VP they probably thought he would continue the fairly conservative policies of Kennedy.Just like we mistakenly thought GHW Bush would govern like Reagan.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:18 AM (zqvg6)

287 Google says Chris Christie is 5' 11"  so, no, not short.

Posted by: Sphynx at January 15, 2014 07:18 AM (OZmbA)

288 our only chance!

well i guess it's nice to know what and who will bend over  easily. easier to pass over the comments
for the greater good of the gop,
not the country, but the gop.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 07:18 AM (nqBYe)

289 Well, we know Christie probably can't bang his dick on the table.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:19 AM (aDwsi)

290 Wide people don't look as tall as they are.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:19 AM (zqvg6)

291 Commence the banging of the dicks!!!

Posted by: Wjset at January 15, 2014 07:19 AM (Aif/5)

292 im no christie fan, i wont vote for him in the primary, but i will in the general (holding my nose like i did for mccain and romney) but lets remember why romney lost (it wasnt just because he was kind of a RINO): 1. the media didnt cover benghazi or the irs scandals or how they knew that obamacare was going to self destruct, or any of the other things that they should have, and 2. there were not sufficient controls in place to make sure democrats didnt in one way or another FAKE ONLY 4-6 VOTES OUT OF EVERY 100 either by simply throwing away republican ballots or letting dead people vote democrat - ITS ONLY 4-6 VOTES OUT OF EVERY 100 ITS NOT THAT HARD i agree that we need to get a better candidate (more conservative) in 2016, but thats not going to be a silver bullet until the "media problem" and "voting irregularities" get fixed, the GOP may not win another national election, period thats where i come out...

Posted by: sound awake at January 15, 2014 07:19 AM (pk/NG)

293 287 He hasn't seen it in 30 years.

Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 07:20 AM (zqvg6)

294 Commence the banging of the dicks!!!

Posted by: Wjset at January 15, 2014 11:19 AM (Aif/5)

 

I find this vewy exciting!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at January 15, 2014 07:20 AM (DrWcr)

295 286 willow at January 15, 2014 11:18 AM (nqBYe)

Mitt was our ONLY chance too, from a lot of the same voices....

he couldn't beat Obama with a terrorist attack on 9/11 and the timebomb of Ogabecare ticking...

Christie will win on his charm though...no really

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:20 AM (TE35l)

296 He is as wide as he tall. Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 11:16 AM (zqvg6) He is as clumsy as he is stupid. Posted by: Darth Vader ----------------- He is as thick as he is obese.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:20 AM (aDwsi)

297 "if the moderates want the conservatives to be team players, then the moderates need to start showing an inclination to do so themselves." Even though this is just backing up what Drew already said, I just thought it bore repeating.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:20 AM (U1Tts)

298 Is that you, Strom?

Posted by: Just the Punchline at January 15, 2014 07:20 AM (QupBk)

299 Gee thanks Mike...  you really like writers.. 

Oh your Majesty, can I borrow an Emu in Box?  Mike needs a special present. 

Star Trek II is replete with nifty things.

Kirk, "'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.' Trying to tell me something Spock?"

Spock, "Nothing that I am consciously aware of. Except happy birthday."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2014 07:21 AM (FNVzS)

300 If Hillary runs, we're in. The media will have no choice but to cover her past. The Dems will have made a huge mistake if they select Hillary.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:22 AM (Wp8ly)

301 sound awake yeah, i don't know how we can win with the media having become  overtly for progressive and  the people   in general not able to fight that use of news and journalism  against  their ideology.

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 07:22 AM (nqBYe)

302 It's been a matter of principle for me for years. Back when he was first shouting down teachers, I asked other conservatives why they were cheering on somebody who appealed to the crowd by silencing and bullying someone that he was supposed to represent and serve.

I was dismissed as an Obamabot troll.

I showed this same skepticism about Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich, and others, but what do I know?

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at January 15, 2014 07:22 AM (Y/HG5)

303 Chris Christie is our best chance to win in 2016. Everybody who is serious about getting rid of Obamacare understands that we cant leave it to chance this time. If you choose to stay on the sidelines, you do nothing less than enable Democrats and their socialism!!!

 

Posted by: Begonia at January 15, 2014 11:16 AM (Wgeof)

 

Sorry, sugar tits.  That dog don't hunt no more.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 07:23 AM (zF6Iw)

304 you are a sunshine patriot the media could be covering her past now they wont

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 07:23 AM (zOTsN)

305

Remember the fight scene at the end of Karate Kid 2 ... where everyone was twisting those little drums in unison ?

 

We should do something like that whenever jwest shows up ... just not with drums exactly.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 15, 2014 07:23 AM (XlXO3)

306

@ 289 - "Commence the banging of the dicks!!!"

 

And not coincidentally, we also have a discussion about LBJ on this thread...

 

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 07:23 AM (YYJjz)

307 Palate cleanser.
http://is.gd/ZfDWO7

Posted by: HR at January 15, 2014 07:23 AM (ZKzrr)

308

He is as wide as he tall.
Posted by: steevy at January 15, 2014 11:16 AM (zqvg6)

 

He's a white Oliver Willis.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 15, 2014 07:24 AM (zF6Iw)

309 298 Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 11:22 AM (Wp8ly)

BWAHAHAHAHA I like your posts Joffen but that is literally the most hilarious thing I have read all day.

Obama was a Marxist member of the new party in Chi-Town who was dropped from his mother's filth with a copy of the motorcycle diaries in one hand and Das Kapital in the other.....

The media WILLFULLY hid his past...

Nah nope I won't hit the Hopiates the GOP will have to attack the media won't...

just like we refused to nail Ogabe we will give Hillary! a pass.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:24 AM (TE35l)

310 The same Dems that derailed Hillary in 2008 will be looking to displace her again. They are afraid of payback. So just look for the schism in the primary in 2015 and exploit that.

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 07:24 AM (GSIDW)

311

300 -

 

Thanks, Mr. Poopypants.  From now on I will treat your comments with the respect   and seriousness  they deserve. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 07:25 AM (TOk1P)

312 Kirk, "'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.' Trying to tell me something Spock?" Spock, "Nothing that I am consciously aware of. Except happy birthday." Posted by: Anna Puma ----------------------------------- Okay. I can do something with that: AoSHQ - "..'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.' Trying to tell me something jwest?" jwest - "Nothing that I am consciously aware of. Except bend over."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:25 AM (aDwsi)

313 until the "media problem" and "voting irregularities" get fixed, the GOP may not win another national election, period I reject your first one. A "good candidate" would have hammered both the Media AND the SCOAMT with Benghazi (not to mention Fast & Furious). That "what about your gaaaaaaffs!" line was a perfect opportunity. How about: "You mean taking a plane to Vegas while 4 Americans were murdered by terrorists on the anniversary of the worst attack on US Domestic Soil in history? Oh... wait." On the second- the GOP could fix that, too- you don't just "ask for volunteers" you recruit people to be poll-watchers. If there are enough GOP observers, it's much, much harder for the Dems to steal the election.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 07:25 AM (PYAXX)

314

Christie is unelectable.  He was unelectable before BridgeGate as well.  This is why the media loved him so.  He reached out to Obama, which helped Obama.  The media liked this - not because it showed any positive aspects to Christie's character, but only because it helped Obama.

But don't think for a minute that while the MSM was propping up Christie, it was also prepping for Christie's downfall.

The MSM is in full-swing Hillary! mode, which is why you don't see any stories of Hillary! delievering paid speeches to Wall Street companies like Goldman Sachs.  Stories about Hillary! and Benghazi are nonexistent.  The Hillary! Hit List piece has been buried, thanks to BridgeGate storyline.  How convenient.

If they didn't have it already, the MSM is going through Christies private and now public life with a fine tooth comb, using BridgeGate as a pretense.  Juicy tidbits are being filed away for a bombshell expose if Christie gets nominated.

And that's before you try to deal with Christies ascerbic character, his temper, and his overall grating temperment that might do him well in Northern NJ, but will turn off large segments of the population.

The Christie barge has sailed.

Conservatives and Republicans should turn their attention elsewhere.

Posted by: MacGruber at January 15, 2014 07:25 AM (XxAYS)

315 Mendez has a point ...why all the Hispanic hate here ?? Not Hispanic hate. Illegal alien hate.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 07:26 AM (b1/nQ)

316 No way is Christie our only chance, I think he's still a long shot. Once the media love abates, what does he have to offer? Nada. I don't know who we're going to nominate, but a look at 2012 tells us that it will probably once again come down to the interests of voters in four or five States, whoever it is, and if he doesn't please those States, it's all for naught. I'd like to poach one of the electoral vote heavy Dem States, but that probably ain't gonna happen. So who's a candidate than can appeal to Wisconsin, Virginia, Florida, etc.? Maybe Walker? He's my first choice as of today.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 15, 2014 07:26 AM (ZshNr)

317 261 I've never understood the appeal of the goodbye note. Just leave.

Posted by: Mega at January 15, 2014 11:12 AM (hHFOx)


"For hate's sake, I spit at thee..."

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB realist at January 15, 2014 07:26 AM (4PpNg)

318 It's been a matter of principle for me for years. Back when he was first shouting down teachers, I asked other conservatives why they were cheering on somebody who appealed to the crowd by silencing and bullying someone that he was supposed to represent and serve. wow um he represents the taxpayer. He serves the taxpayer. While teachers are taxpayers too, most the time in NJ their interests are at odds with the taxpayer I reject your premise

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 07:26 AM (zOTsN)

319

Drew, opposing him as our candidate for national office, absolutely.

 

Joining the leftist media in their attacks, absolutely not.  In fact, we should be pissing all over the media and telling them to go fuck themselves.

 

Thanks

Posted by: prescient11 at January 15, 2014 07:26 AM (tVTLU)

320 The media will have no choice but to cover her past Like they had "no choice" but to cover Benghazi? Sorry, dude, that dog don't hunt. Hillary's past will only become an issue if we *make* it an issue- and we'll have to get past the Gatekeeper Media to do it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 07:26 AM (PYAXX)

321 298 If Hillary runs, we're in. The media will have no choice but to cover her past. The Dems will have made a huge mistake if they select Hillary. That's a good one.

Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 15, 2014 07:27 AM (waJ+2)

322 i agree that we need to get a better candidate (more conservative) in 2016, but thats not going to be a silver bullet
***
What reason did Romney give the swing voters to vote for him? Was the architect of Obamacare V1.0 going to repeal Obamacare? What else was he going to do differently from Obama?

No one, not even the LIVs, believed the former, and as for the latter, he seemed to say he was going to do a better job managing Leviathan. There's a winning campaign...

For a Republican to win, elections have to be about ideology. If it is about subjective things like personality or even who is going to be more competent the State Media will always give the Democrat the edge.

Just step back and consider that the competency argument failed when a man with a record of organizational successes lost to a president with double digit (real) unemployment, double digit (real) inflation, and trillion dollar deficits.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 15, 2014 07:27 AM (P3U0f)

323 A "good candidate" would have hammered both the Media AND the SCOAMT with Benghazi (not to mention Fast & Furious). ===== One good thing about Newt....he could attack the media like no other candidate. I remember in one debate, Juan Williams asked him some inane question (I know, I know, redundant)...after Newt was done with him there was nothing left of Juan but a ligament on the chair.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 15, 2014 07:28 AM (bCEmE)

324 I have never disagreed with a Drew post.

Posted by: Valiant at January 15, 2014 07:28 AM (aFxlY)

325

303 -

 

I like the idea, but for some reason I do NOT remember the fight scene  at the end of Karate Kid 2. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 07:28 AM (TOk1P)

326 298 If Hillary runs, we're in. The media will have no choice but to cover her past. The Dems will have made a huge mistake if they select Hillary.

You weren't old enough to remember Clinton's run in 1992 and 1996...right?

Posted by: MacGruber at January 15, 2014 07:29 AM (XxAYS)

327 Newt doesn't have skeletons in his closet he keeps them in his graveyard

Posted by: thunderb at January 15, 2014 07:29 AM (zOTsN)

328 How about doing nothing?

You don't HAVE to oppose Christie.  Let him stew in this imbroglio that he is at least indirectly responsible for.  He's a big state governor who runs a political "machine" - kinda like Democratic mayors and governors we know.  His "team" was working 24/7 on campaign shit buying off endorsements with favors, etc.

So fuck him.  He made his bed, let him sleep in it.

If he makes it through this, we'll see in a couple years how he does.  But, with the animosity he already had from the conservative base and now this "scandal", he isn't worth a lot of my time "opposing" him.  He's very unlikely to become our candidate.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 15, 2014 07:29 AM (f9c2L)

329 And what do we call someone who supports a lot more of the Democratic party platforms than Republican and who ensures liberals are appointed to important offices? We call the Democrats. Two dimensional thinkers see an 'R' and seem to think they're getting something substantively different.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:29 AM (U1Tts)

330 I think the Republicans should look to the future, not the past.  The class warfare thing is wearing thin with everyone, and the idea of free men, free markets, and prosperity will be the winning message in 2014 and 2016.

Posted by: mrp at January 15, 2014 07:29 AM (HjPtV)

331 When the MFM brings up Hillary's "Foreign Policy cred," I want a Republican to say, "Well, I've certainly never dodged imaginary gunfire on my way to a well secured convoy, but..."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 15, 2014 07:29 AM (PYAXX)

332

http://tinyurl.com/9bhhwz

 In my black heart I dream of an American President saying this to the assembled turds of the U.N.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 15, 2014 07:30 AM (rXcBX)

333 More Moliere: "One should eat to live, not live to eat." More Christy: "One should live to eat, not eat to live."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:30 AM (aDwsi)

334 That use to include Drew but given his idiotic anti-Latino ramblings

Any idea what he's talking about?  Is this like docweasel calling people racists by virtue of them being anti-amnesty?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 15, 2014 07:30 AM (M5T54)

335 http://tinyurl.com/nqbcmkq

Poor Christie even BRUUUUCCCCEE is dumping his fat boyfriend...

I can see Joisey Buddah crying with his copy of "we were born to run"...

fin

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:30 AM (TE35l)

336 Seriously, guys... The Clinton's past is well known and therefore, unavoidable.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:30 AM (Wp8ly)

337 Not Hispanic hate. Illegal alien hate. Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (b1/nQ) I don't hate illegals, I just want them to get in line *BEHIND* the people who are legally trying to get in... that's fair

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 07:30 AM (84oau)

338 Christie has been dead to me since that walk on the beach. But I'd vote for a corpse rather than vote for Shrillary.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (wdHk6)

339 186 I think Ann Coulter liked his combativeness.He is just as likely to attack the right as the left though,more even. After so many years of "not the hill to die on", I understand the appeal.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (GeVLX)

340 More Moliere:
"One should eat to live, not live to eat."

Fucking French.

Er isst, er ist.

Posted by: HR at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (ZKzrr)

341 20 ANGLE: CHEKOV'S POV

Lethal looking odd swords on one wall, a bookshelf; CAMERA PANS by 20th Century volumes; MOBY DICK, KING LEAR, THE HOLY BIBLE - and a seat belt dangling with the name on it - BOTANY BAY

-- from the Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan movie script.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (FNVzS)

342 Newt doesn't have skeletons in his closet he keeps them in his graveyard Posted by: thunderb ------ Heh. Piker.

Posted by: Hillary & Bill at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (aDwsi)

343 Liberte, Egalite, Beignets

Posted by: Just the Punchline at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (QupBk)

344 Sorry we have been saying "they'll have no choice but to" for a long time with a lot of people. From the media, to candidates, to industries, to voters.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (WdbF7)

345 Tattoo, good catch!

Posted by: JazzMother at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (YmPwQ)

346 332 Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 15, 2014 11:30 AM (M5T54)

Yes if you are against adding 44 million people with no loyalty to America's history of system of government you are a racist...

now go try to just walk in to Mexico and go work in a GM factory Mi Amigo...

fuck that.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:31 AM (TE35l)

347 the media was able to use binders of women.and free bc control as a winner for Obama.

they hid and colluded with the administration to hide Obama's  administrations deeds,irs, Benghazi, Fast and Furious  all these things would have crushed anyone else. They  colluded.

lied about the economy and unemployment.

we will face the same media and population that thought binders of women was an issue at all (fkn crazy)

Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 07:32 AM (nqBYe)

348

325 -

 

See, I would reply to this by saying something like "Rick Santorum doesn't have skeletons in his closet either... he carries them around with him everywhere he goes,"

 

...but that would be really really cruel, and in bad taste.  So I won't say it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 15, 2014 07:32 AM (TOk1P)

349 Sure, it's a constant source of embarrassment to Ace that some of his most prolific commenters are also flat earth, two dimensional thinkers, but that's just how the internet works.


The irony.

It burns.

Posted by: The Republican Establishment[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 15, 2014 07:32 AM (6T8Ay)

350 335 MikeH at January 15, 2014 11:30 AM (84oau)

I also would note that Canada and Mexico both require you to add to their economy or have critical skills.

"Undermining low end US citizens at their jobs and wages..."

not really a critical fucking skill if there is no reciprocity between Mexico and Canada...

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:33 AM (TE35l)

351 Christie has been dead to me since that walk on the beach. But I'd vote for a corpse rather than vote for Shrillary. Posted by: Comanche ----------------------------------- Same here, but until the die is cast, I will seek a better candidate than tubby.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:33 AM (aDwsi)

352 We want Hillary to run. Nobody on the street cares about her time as Secretary. All they remember is her and Bill in the nineties. If you don't believe me, talk to people you know. Talk to people that aren't as involved in politics. These are the people that will decide the next election.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:34 AM (Wp8ly)

353 Nood

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 15, 2014 07:34 AM (bCEmE)

354 336 Christie has been dead to me since that walk on the beach. But I'd vote for a corpse rather than vote for Shrillary. Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 15, 2014 11:31 AM (wdHk6) Opposite of the Dems where the corpses vote for Hillary.

Posted by: MikeH at January 15, 2014 07:34 AM (84oau)

355 Sidebar Kimmel story.


Hahaha!!!  Some good stuff in there.

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2014 07:34 AM (GQ8sn)

356 341 Liberte, Egalite, Beignets That covers all my bases.

Posted by: jwest at January 15, 2014 07:34 AM (u2a4R)

357 240 not putting anybody viable in the vacant senate seat


Were thee anybody who could've subsequently taken on Booker? I'm asking that as a serious question and not knowing the political landscape there.
=========
Booker would have won regardless, I think. But, there would have been more time for a formidable challenge to develop from the GOP instead of the "oh crap, who do we have?!" that he got.

But, by calling a special election, it ensured the black vote would not be mobilized to vote for Booker at the same time Christie was on the ballot, e.g. also vote for the Dem for Gov.

And, I think, the case can be made that Booker, if the Senate wouldn't have been handed to him, would have taken a run at the Gov.
In that case, there's no way Christie would have won.

Personal "friend" of Christie, that Booker is.
And yet another strike against him.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 15, 2014 07:35 AM (VjL9S)

358 Sure, it's a constant source of embarrassment to Ace that some of his most prolific commenters are also flat earth, two dimensional thinkers, but that's just how the internet works. -------------- * ponders snow falling in NC * You left out 'global warming deniers'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:35 AM (aDwsi)

359 Clinton's past is well known and therefore, unavoidable Puh-leez. Hillary has *no* past, except as a bold fighter for tha peepul, plus she has the smarts and stuff to fix o'care. Unless there is a serious radical candidate to oppose her, I think her election is, as they say, inevitable.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 15, 2014 07:36 AM (SwHqo)

360 If he makes it through this, we'll see in a couple years how he does. We should just write him off now. And I don't want him to make it through this. He's the kind of Republican who makes us look bad.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 15, 2014 07:36 AM (yU1Dt)

361 There's a third reason to not support Christie- He's a vocal advocate for the religion of AGW and would support and/or extend the Dim policies that are crippling this country's ability to create good jobs and good salaries. Plus, needlessly increased energy costs eat into your paycheck and the ability to provide for your family. Christie for Best imitation of a meatball? Absolutely. Christie for President? No,thanks.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 15, 2014 07:37 AM (0cMkb)

362 "You can talk about a “big tent” all you want but if it’s big enough to include people who endorse a significant part of ObamaCare, you don’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles."

This

Posted by: Miley's Tongue at January 15, 2014 07:38 AM (R+h7Q)

363 All Christie would have to do is announce he's for POT and he would syphon most of Rand Paul's dudes, er doobies and all of old Ron Paul's nuts. Good thing the Dems took him out.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 15, 2014 07:38 AM (RJMhd)

364 If there are enough GOP observers, it's much, much harder for the Dems to steal the election.

-----

Except in places like Philly, the GOP poll watchers...brave souls, indeed...have been physically removed from the polling places. By the time the judge lets them back in, several hours have passed and God knows how many fake votes have been entered. This has been repeatedly documented, and nobody, not the state GOP (which controls the state legislature btw), nobody ever does a damn thing about it.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at January 15, 2014 07:38 AM (YmPwQ)

365 318. Passivity is poison

Posted by: Chico Esquela at January 15, 2014 07:39 AM (PuX55)

366 I am willow NOOD

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 15, 2014 07:39 AM (RJMhd)

367 Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 15, 2014 11:36 AM (SwHqo You honestly believe Bobby won't be an issue? Cmon now.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:39 AM (Wp8ly)

368 Posted by: JazzMother at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (YmPwQ) You forgot to include that you have a real job and so can't respond to any of our questions about your rant.

Posted by: Buzzion at January 15, 2014 07:39 AM (16b/D)

369 362 Biff Boffo at January 15, 2014 11:38 AM (YmPwQ)

We elected Mike DeWine OH AG...and he did not a goddamnedthing about the bullshit in Columbus, Cincy, or Cleveland...

slapped some wrists.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 15, 2014 07:39 AM (TE35l)

370 I meant 'Bubba'

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at January 15, 2014 07:40 AM (Wp8ly)

371 Chris Christie is our best chance to win in 2016. Everybody who is serious about getting rid of Obamacare understands that we cant leave it to chance this time. There is a 0% chance that Christie expends even the slightest political capital to repeal Obamacare. He loves it. The establishment RINOs love it. They're trying to affix their own saddle to the thing, not slay it. And remember, Obamacare is about as popular with the public as colon cancer, and will be even less popular by 2016. If a "Republican" isn't willing to even take a position that is both conservative AND populist, you know where his dark heart really lies.

Posted by: VJay at January 15, 2014 07:41 AM (K4Gdd)

372 Yeah, I honestly believe that nothing will be an issue if it stands between the media and Another Historic First. But thats just me, YMMV.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at January 15, 2014 07:42 AM (SwHqo)

373 Sven, that's why I take the Voter ID stuff with a grain of salt. If there are no GOP watchers to check ID's, it kind of defeats the purpose.

Posted by: Biff Boffo at January 15, 2014 07:42 AM (YmPwQ)

374 " Election day flounces are worse", flounced livingproof at January 15, 2014 11:04 AM.

Posted by: noone, really [/i][/b] at January 15, 2014 07:42 AM (5ikDv)

375 (I prefer hills to fight on myself), whatÂ’s the difference between a conservative and a Republican? -Drew M An outstanding piece Drew. This is one of the reasons I think you are one of the best cobs here at the AoS. No squishiness here.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at January 15, 2014 07:42 AM (HVff2)

376 "Rather, she is uniquely unable to criticize potential opponents on points on which they may be the most vulnerable."

Yeah, we'll have to work on that a bit.

Posted by: Candy Crowly and the MSM at January 15, 2014 07:43 AM (YxaXw)

377 110 Mendez isn't a troll. But He is wrong about thinking Christie would be good for our efforts to stop overwhelming govt authority. Posted by: willow at January 15, 2014 10:45 AM (nqBYe) Nah he's a troll. He didn't used to be but he is now. He's a racist little bitch of a troll that the most he ever had to say was that he was the youngest reader here. Everything else he ever wrote was just putting +1 behind other comments

Posted by: Buzzion at January 15, 2014 07:44 AM (16b/D)

378 Ted Cruz didn't do squat during the shut down, hasn't done anything since, and, oh yeah!, is just a junior senator.

He's going to have a vanity run for President, isn't he?  So while Conservatives get clingy to him, real candidates are going to lose out and we'll be stuck with Christie.  And then it'll be the usual crocodile tears about how the Establishment "forced" a RINO! on us.  Welp.

So, what does Ted Cruz think about vaccines?

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 15, 2014 07:46 AM (qiXMt)

379 329. AllenG, that's exactly what I dream of seeing from our "leaders" but i think most are too lazy to prepare witty and memorable responses and further, they deem it unsportsmanlike to criticize their opponents so harshly. After all, these are their "dear friends" the they " have to work with".

Posted by: Chico Esquela at January 15, 2014 07:46 AM (PuX55)

380 So while Conservatives get clingy to him, real candidates are going to lose out

such as...


Posted by: noone, really [/i][/b] at January 15, 2014 07:47 AM (5ikDv)

381 Posted by: Shoot Me at January 15, 2014 11:46 AM (qiXMt) === LOL. You sound like Steve King.

Posted by: votermom at January 15, 2014 07:48 AM (GSIDW)

382 Sure, it's a constant source of embarrassment to Ace that some of his most prolific commenters are also flat earth, two dimensional thinkers, but that's just how the internet works. ---------------------- I'm beginning to think you don't come here for the debate.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 15, 2014 07:51 AM (YCALt)

383 "If Hillary runs, we're in. The media will have no choice but to cover her past."
===============

Yeah. "Cover," as in "cover-UP." The media's idea of "covering" Benghazi is to absolve her of any wrongdoing while swooning over how she scolded Congressmen from asking questions about it.

Posted by: Kensington at January 15, 2014 07:52 AM (H84UO)

384 Posted by: Kensington at January 15, 2014 11:52 AM (H84UO) But.... I took Sniper Fire!!!

Posted by: Hillary! what does it matter! at January 15, 2014 07:56 AM (lZBBB)

385
I'm beginning to think you don't come here for the debate.

No, he just comes here to register his incoherence for posterity.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at January 15, 2014 08:02 AM (6T8Ay)

386 You left out 'global warming deniers'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 11:35 AM (aDwsi)

 

Don't worry,  conservative Newt Gingrich  has that covered.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 08:12 AM (m2CN7)

387

Drew,

Absolutely spot-on.  I had problems early on with Mitt because at one time or another, he was on the opposite side of every issue that was important to me.  I looked at Supreme Court nominations and still voted for him, but I'm getting tired of the Republican Party giving me that choice every election cycle.

 

That is doubly true for Christie.  I'm not supporting a party that doesn't support me anymore.

Posted by: Advo at January 15, 2014 08:16 AM (7vbG1)

388

Absolutely spot-on. I had problems early on with Mitt because at one time or another, he was on the opposite side of every issue that was important to me. I looked at Supreme Court nominations and still voted for him, but I'm getting tired of the Republican Party giving me that choice every election cycle.

Were you for giving in state tuition and driver licenses to illegals?

 

Were you against balancing MA's budget without raising income taxes?

 

Were you against the 1000 vetoes he signed against liberal legislation in MA?

 

Were  you for single payer medical in MA?

 

Were you for embryotic stem cell research?

 

I could go on but what's the use.

Posted by: polynikes at January 15, 2014 08:20 AM (m2CN7)

389

3 Forget it, Drew. He has the whole Tea Party behind him now.

 

Just like the fat kid in "Lord of the Flies."

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at January 15, 2014 08:21 AM (XO6WW)

390 Vote Whig Party. Couldn't possibly be worse.

Posted by: Whig at January 15, 2014 08:21 AM (i7KmQ)

391 "such as..."

Doing your homework is RINO work. 

Poor Ace.  He poured his heart out trying to get the base excited with Perry and the Fred.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 15, 2014 08:30 AM (qiXMt)

392 I love that Romney supporters are still fighting for their man in the comments.

Let's assume (incorrectly, I believe), that Romney is as conservative as you claim.

He still lost.  there were a lot of reasons for his loss, but among the most significant reasons IMO are:

1.  Would not really attack Obama;
2.  Did not (could not) run strongly against Obamacare;
3.  For some reason, was unprepared for the media onslaught against him, even though it happens to every republican candidate for every office every election (why is it that these moderates believe that the media will give them a fair shake - it never happens);
4.  Had absolutely no get-out-the-vote organization in place (this one is completely and utterly inexcusable and no Romney campaign professional should ever be hired by another presidential campaign).

He wasn't a terrible candidate just because he wasn't conservative enough, he was a terrible candidate because he was a terrible candidate.  He managed to win the primary solely based on money, name recognition and establishment support, not any particular skills he had as a candidate. 

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 15, 2014 08:33 AM (sOx93)

393 Romney probably would have made a good President, but he was a bad candidate. No way around that.

Posted by: toby928© tries laconic at January 15, 2014 08:35 AM (QupBk)

394

I guess it really doesn't matter that New Jersey already has the most generous Medicaid program in the country, and that the "expansion" under Obamacare is only going to add a few thousand poeple, if that, to the rolls in NJ. 

 

Because, RINO!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Let me know when you move the goalposts again so I can properly adjust my preferences.

Posted by: TrueCon Who Doesn't Give a Shit About Facts at January 15, 2014 08:41 AM (Q4elb)

395 I guess it really doesn't matter that New Jersey already has the most generous Medicaid program in the country, and that the "expansion" under Obamacare is only going to add a few thousand poeple, if that, to the rolls in NJ. So, Fat Fuck didn't even get anything for his betrayal? I guess that adds Stupid to his moniker.

Posted by: Beelzebub at January 15, 2014 08:47 AM (QupBk)

396 dammit

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 08:53 AM (QupBk)

397 "LOL. You sound like Steve King."

I don't understand how Conservatives are gung ho about challenging a McConnell but quiet about challenging a Steve King.  I mean, wouldn't getting rid of him excite everybody?  And it's just a representative seat, something we could afford to lose.  But no, I suspect that we have a bunch of emos in the movement. 

Does Drew write poetry?

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 15, 2014 09:07 AM (qiXMt)

398 Hatez gonna be hatin the Snack Kingz.

Posted by: Fatty Arbuckle, Whore-Crusher at January 15, 2014 09:10 AM (qM5uD)

399

Guys, don't worry about Christie become President.  I gots this.

Posted by: The Blood Clot Slowly Working It's Way Down Christie's Aorta

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 15, 2014 09:26 AM (kdS6q)

400 I don't understand how Conservatives are gung ho about challenging a McConnell but quiet about challenging a Steve King. Do you even know any conservatives?

Posted by: toby928© at January 15, 2014 09:33 AM (QupBk)

401 Never thought I'd be part of "the establishment," but I like Christie and I'd support him as nominee. Apart from the latest fracas, he's been that most unusual of creatures: Someone who's actually done his damn job. What it takes to be governor of New Jersey might be different than how he'd be as a national candidate, so I'm not ready yet to toss him on the reject heap. We've got to quit shooting our own. With Democrats as desperate as they are to skewer him, doesn't that tell you something?

Posted by: evergreen at January 15, 2014 09:46 AM (5Oqsx)

402

You don't want Christie to be the nominee? Don't put up joke candidates like Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum to be the standard bearers for True Conservatism in the primary.

Posted by: Paul at January 15, 2014 09:48 AM (9qDRl)

403 I mean it's easy to write long screeds about why this guy or that guy sucks, but then who do you suggest we run?

Posted by: Paul at January 15, 2014 09:50 AM (9qDRl)

404 DrewM I love the way you turn a phrase 'not a big tent but an open air bazaar' That is the RINO way or in my words 'state fair & circus freaks' but I digress

Posted by: bobbymike at January 15, 2014 09:53 AM (hY7Vw)

405 I am often criticizing "moderates" for their lack of principles.Lately I think conservatives deserve some of that criticism as well.Not that they don't have any.but are not willing to fight for them passionately.As a matter of fact it would seem many conservatives suffer from the victimhood associated with persistent abuse.Christie and the rest of the GOP establishment don't blink twice before attacking conservatives whose support they know they need to win elections.Why do they do something so evidently stupid.Because they know that the dutiful little conservatives have bought into the whole "lesser of two evils" nonsense.Basically they know they can "reach out"(sell out!) to the left because the right will take their crap and beg them to do it again.It won't end until conservatives actually leave the GOP and set up their own third party,essentially forcing the GOP to the right or into obsolescence.

Posted by: redware at January 15, 2014 10:00 AM (gc2+4)

406 "392 I guess it really doesn't matter that New Jersey already has the most generous Medicaid program in the country, and that the "expansion" under Obamacare is only going to add a few thousand poeple, if that, to the rolls in NJ. " No. It doesn't. He is one of 50 people in the United States who had standing to sue the government and he declined. He is seeking to be the one person with full authority to revoke Obama's executive orders expanding Obamacare and full authority to direct the Secretary of Health and Human Services to make statutory findings that would shrivel the act, and his refusal to do his utmost in the face of socialism is disqualifying.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 10:02 AM (5xmd7)

407 Paul said "You don't want Christie to be the nominee? Don't put up joke candidates like Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum to be thestandard bearersfor True Conservatism in the primary"

Thank you!

Santorum did as much harm, or more, to Romney's potential in the opening days of his campaign as did Chris Christie did in the closing days. And it was all for obvious naught; it was all a fucking joke, just as Christie's antics were. Yet, it required Romney spending his banked cash to fight Republicans way after Super Tuesday when he should have been fighting Obama, it hurt him to have a true believer like Santorum play the bigot religion card against him, etc.

We, as a party, hurt our nominee in many ways -- not only from the moderate side but from the arch-conservative side as well. Barring some grand unifying President-VP alliance, I'd expect 2016 to be another shit show.

Posted by: Uriah at January 15, 2014 10:11 AM (jhI6f)

408 >>>Because they know that the dutiful little conservatives have bought into the whole "lesser of two evils" nonsense. please explain how the greater of 2 evils is the superior belief. please explain how Obama is superior to Romney. please explain how Hillary is superior to Christie. it's just childish taking their marbles posturing. I didn't like Romney and I don't like Christie, but I'll be damned if I wouldn't vote against Obama and Hillary. I doubt the TrueCon Romney haters voted for Obama or sat out. If they did, thanks assholes.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 10:14 AM (KHo8t)

409 ...but I'm getting tired of the Republican Party giving me that choice every election cycle. And that's all they'll ever do as long as there are sizable numbers of people willing to eat the shit sandwiches they keep dishing out.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 15, 2014 10:18 AM (itCai)

410 X said "I doubt the TrueCon Romney haters voted for Obama or sat out. If they did, thanks assholes"


For what it's worth, Romney underperformed in the Rural, Christian, counties of Southern OH, for instance. Same in some counties of VA.

That doesn't swing the whole election, of course, Romney bares much blame for the last more lax last debate style and his campaign's failures, etc.

But it doesn't take away the above fact that we had desertions.

Posted by: Uriah Heep at January 15, 2014 10:18 AM (jhI6f)

411 I mean it's just frusterating how on the one hand we're being told the future of the Republic itself is at stake thanks to the constant advances of socialism, and on the other it's all "oh well, who cares if we let the Democrats have 12 years of uninterrupted rule. What's the worst that can happen? Yeah the Dems stand against everything I hold dear, but Rubio supported AMNESTY!!"

Posted by: Paul at January 15, 2014 10:19 AM (9qDRl)

412 Evergreen, Christie has taken every opportunity to shoot people who are supposed to be on his side, first. No sale.

Posted by: Libtardo at January 15, 2014 10:21 AM (ls8Ac)

413 yeah Heep, I can believe it. assholes. I was 4th at my polling place election day. I was there to vote against Obama. I guess I'm not a TrueCon.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 10:23 AM (KHo8t)

414 If the R votes with the Ds on key issues, there is NO difference, and the burning will happen just as fast. With a bipartisan label on it, to boot.

Posted by: Libtardo at January 15, 2014 10:24 AM (ls8Ac)

415

Voted for McCain (against Bathhouse Barry).  Voted for Romney (against Obammie the Commie).

Will I vote for Jeb (against Killery)?  I'm not sure.  I'm getting a little sick of this shit.

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at January 15, 2014 10:26 AM (Dq8Uc)

416 x, so, a vote for gun grabbing, global warming, medicaid expanding RINO Christie is a vote against Hillary. The only distinctions being gender, girth and party affiliation?

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2014 10:28 AM (WuGBT)

417 >>>If the R votes with the Ds on key issues, there is NO difference, and the burning will happen just as fast. With a bipartisan label on it, to boot. and yet Obamacare got zero GOP votes. Fuck Christie. I'll vote against him in the primary and I'll vote for him if he's the nominee, because I'm not posturing.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 10:28 AM (KHo8t)

418 >>> x, so, a vote for gun grabbing, global warming, medicaid expanding RINO Christie is a vote against Hillary. if he's the GOP nominee and she's the dem nominee it is, because it is.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 10:31 AM (KHo8t)

419 Chris Christie is a waddling clusterfuck of a miserable RINO

Posted by: Big Ol Fat Guy at January 15, 2014 10:34 AM (BpQmM)

420 19 "You can talk about a “big tent” all you want but if it’s big enough to include people who endorse a significant part of ObamaCare, you don’t have a tent, you have an open-air bazaar where everything is negotiable, including core principles."

Waiting for Chi-Town Jerry to show up and tell us how "principles" are for losers who never want to be in power again, in 5...4...3...

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 10:26 AM (YYJjz)

___________________________________________________

I rememebr hyou form LGF. You w ere one of the biggest reactionaries out there.

Posted by: Captain Keogh at January 15, 2014 10:36 AM (xFg3I)

421 Damn there is no edit button here.

Posted by: Captain Keogh at January 15, 2014 10:37 AM (xFg3I)

422 x, so, you're still playing "team R." got it. Christie may be "losing more slowly" but Christie is still losing. Like a lot of conservatives, I've held my nose and voted for the "moderates" the last few election cycles. Not any more. I'm done.

Posted by: Blake at January 15, 2014 10:37 AM (WuGBT)

423 27 Seriously, I just don't get it. Chris Christie's bromance with Obama after Hurricane Sandy a week before the election helped to hand the election to him.

Christie essentially screwed Romney big-time. Yet, all the RINOs and GOP establishment types are still clustering around him like the moons around Jupiter. Don't the RINOs even care that he backstabbed one of their own??

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at January 15, 2014 10:30 AM (YYJjz)

You sure as hell are not a Republican, you are more of a Phalangist the anything else.

Posted by: Captain Keogh at January 15, 2014 10:40 AM (xFg3I)

424 Blake, I'm on Team Rand. I hope he wins the nomination and I'll work to help him. what I'm not going to do is be an emo and make declarations.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 10:40 AM (KHo8t)

425 I don't think RomneyCare changed a single vote in the general election, to me that was always a red herring.  You had hypocrites like Newt Gingrich slamming Romney for mandates when he was one of the biggest cheerleaders for such a concept and went out of his way to praise RomneyCare when it was enacted.

Romney ran against Obamacare and promised repeal, if there was a conservative that didn't vote for him because he thought Romney was lying, you'll have to explain to me how that was a smart gamble.

I also don't think voters in a general election will hold Christie responsible for Obamacare because his state took federal aid for MediCaid.  It will be a problem in the primary, but unless you're a Republican Governor that has never taken a dime of federal money, nobody is pure on the issue.  If Christie runs against ObamaCare, he's going to get the voters that hate ObamaCare.

I'm not excusing either, I think both were bad decisions, but the idea that a Republican will not be able to run against ObamaCare because they aren't "pure" seems really inside baseball to me.

Posted by: McAdams at January 15, 2014 10:43 AM (Fsa9N)

426 400  I should like Santorum, but boy does he put me off.

I'm a Catholic who doesn't like contraceptives either but hearing it from a presidential candidate... it was all wrong.  Especially when we had better arguments to go with.  I think more men should be like Santorum but not as elected officials.  Santorum was better than Huckabee but that doesn't mean anything.

Of course, I'll offer my own conspiracy theory:  Many True Cons want to push So Con issues, but they knew that they were unpopular so they had to hide behind the Tea Party until it was down to Newt, Romney, and Santorum. 

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 15, 2014 11:03 AM (qiXMt)

427 Amnesty is my main line in the sand. If that goes through, everything else on the party platform is nullified...because the party will be irrelevant.

Posted by: Chris Matthews at January 15, 2014 11:23 AM (YmPwQ)

428 "Romney ran against Obamacare and promised repeal, if there was a conservative that didn't vote for him because he thought Romney was lying, you'll have to explain to me how that was a smart gamble." The gamble would be electing a liar.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 11:24 AM (5xmd7)

429 And, off, obese alcoholic sock!

Posted by: Biff Boffo at January 15, 2014 11:25 AM (YmPwQ)

430 >>Yet, it required Romney spending his banked cash to fight Republicans way after Super Tuesday when he should have been fighting Obama, it hurt him to have a true believer like Santorum play the bigot religion card against him, etc. << Romney was forbidden to spend primary cash on the general election.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 11:26 AM (5xmd7)

431 The scorpion replied, "It's my nature."

Posted by: Aesop at January 15, 2014 11:27 AM (MqjGP)

432 The gamble would be electing a liar.
Posted by: Chris Balsz

Dumb logic, we knew we were getting ObamaCare if Obama was reelected.   But in TruCon Bizarro world, somehow that was a win because?

Romney would have wanted ObamaCare repealed because it's a trainwreck.  Hell, Obama probably wishes the Supreme Court had struck it down at this point.

Posted by: McAdams at January 15, 2014 11:53 AM (Fsa9N)

433 422 Blake, I'm on Team Rand. I hope he wins the nomination and I'll work to help him. what I'm not going to do is be an emo and make declarations.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 02:40 PM (KHo8t)


that was a declaration asshole.


I love you TrueRepublicans(tm) who advise us to just shut up and vote GOP no matter what.  Why do you come to conservative websites and comment?  If you are a GOP NO MATTER WHAT voter, you are not conservative.  Because, the GOP is not conservative.  If you argue otherwise, I'll have to also put you into the dishonest camp. 

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 15, 2014 12:20 PM (sOx93)

434 The thing that hurts conservatism more than anything else in the U.S. is Team TrueRepublican(tm) who pretend to be conservative but support and vote for the GOP no matter what.

If you vote for a party that incraeses spending, increases the size of gov't, will not repeal Obamacare (Boehner and McConnell - the GOP leaders - have both stated they don't intend to repeal Ocare, only "fix" it), and want amnesty - you are not conservative. 

It's as simple as that.  Anyone who advises voting for the GOP no matter what is not a conservative because they support a party that does the opposite of conservatism at every opportunity.

Posted by: monkeytoe at January 15, 2014 12:23 PM (sOx93)

435 who did you vote for in 2012 monkeytoe?

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 12:32 PM (KHo8t)

436 Monkeytoe, I've yet to vote for a candidate that agreed with me on 100% of the issues.  We have imperfect choices in an imperfect world. 

My problem with your view is it's a common liberal "moby" tactic to try and push for right-leaning voters to sit out elections because of issues of "purity."

If your sincere and want to sit out an election, fine, but a major political party that needs 51% is not going to chase after the 1% "Pharisee" vote, and if anything, the more elections Republicans lose, the more to the Left they're going to move. 

Posted by: McAdams at January 15, 2014 12:34 PM (Fsa9N)

437 >>>they support a party that does the opposite of conservatism at every opportunity. zero GOP votes for Obamacare.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 12:40 PM (KHo8t)

438 stop emoting and be rational. I'm libertarian and don't like a lot of what the GOP does. they suck at shrinking the government, but the Dems excel at growing it. and yes, I'm fairly certain I'll prefer the GOP nominee over the Dem nominee. you won't? that's on you.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 12:45 PM (KHo8t)

439 >>zero GOP votes for Obamacare. Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 04:40 PM (KHo8t) << Wrong, they've since voted to fund it. >>Dumb logic, we knew we were getting ObamaCare if Obama was reelected. But in TruCon Bizarro world, somehow that was a win because?<< Because I conclude Romney is a liar, he is backed by liars, he is surrounded by a caucus of liars who love to dodge responsibility for their actions and would follow a Republican President to Hell in the name of victory. Had he won in 2012, 2016 would be about keeping him. >>Romney would have wanted ObamaCare repealed because it's a trainwreck<< So what? ' It's the democrats fault, not his, and the polls make it "unrealistic" for him to repeal it. Plus, we all knew he was a supporter of national health insurance when we elected him. What are you gonna do, let the Democrats win? ' >>Hell, Obama probably wishes the Supreme Court had struck it down at this point.<< But he just blames everybody else and won't repeal it, which is the "smart" ploy for a bad President. Of either party.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 12:48 PM (5xmd7)

440 >>>Wrong, they've since voted to fund it. monkeytoe said "at every opportunity", so you're wrong to claim I was wrong. who did you vote for in 2012 balzs?

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 12:53 PM (KHo8t)

441 I only ask because I am trying to understand the workings of TrueCon logic.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 12:56 PM (KHo8t)

442 I didn't vote for President. Not that it matters since CA is winner take all. "monkeytoe said "at every opportunity", so you're wrong to claim I was wrong. " Hmm, you're right.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 12:59 PM (5xmd7)

443 439 I regard the Republican party as a professional association for career non-Democrats, rather than a vehicle for like-minded citizens making law according to their common views. Every effort is being made to declare that nothing can be done by Republicans unless they have the greatest concentration of power possible. At the same time, the party declares it cannot drive public opinion, but only respond to it. And, it trusts the weekly statements of public opinion drafted and published by a hostile media clique. So I am not interested in doing everything to get Republicans elected, so they can do nothing good or useful, and make that popular. That is contrary to a spirit of reform. It would prove as useless as the Triple Crown we won in 2004 and lost starting in 2006.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 01:15 PM (5xmd7)

444 your reasoning is exquisite. mine is coarse.

Posted by: X at January 15, 2014 01:20 PM (KHo8t)

445 Thanks, I just don't see our whole future riding on THESE 700 or so national politicians. Unless we roll over

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 02:11 PM (5xmd7)

446 X, logic is for RINO pussies. TrueCons FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. Well, they don't fight, cuz fighting and doing that "elect candidates" thing is hard, and besides the political arena is just controlled by the Establishment. But they sure make awesome Internet blog comment warriors.

Posted by: Paul at January 15, 2014 04:43 PM (g4Saz)

447 Don't wimp out, Paul. A real man would get a conservative elected on the Green Party ticket! Your party is saying it probably won't get anything done until 2017 at best. What if we throw such muddling bums out and make 2016 a reform tidal wave? It wouldn't have wasted any time.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 15, 2014 06:02 PM (5xmd7)

448 "Deja vu all over again. The GOP is becoming Sponge Bob Squarepants."

Sponge Bob Michel Squarepants or
Sponge Bob Dole Squarepants?



Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 15, 2014 08:05 PM (oNqbW)

449 "I supported Romney in 2008 & 2012, I had my reasons, most of which are that everyone else was worse."

That was a reasonable position to take. But let's not pretend Romney was a conservative godsend, the whole PROBLEM with Romney in 2012 was he was the wrong candidate to be the 'anti-obamacare' candidate. we had him or a bunch of flawed contenders like newt and santorum. the real competition for Romney - Mitch Daniels, Pawlenty etc.- faded or never showed.

comparatively, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. are a step up from ex-politicians and Ron Paul.

There are MANY BETTER ALTERNATIVES than quite frankly an out of shape, not-good-speaker, not-real-vote-getter candidate in Christie.

They are the many decent and conservative Governors out there - Scott Walker, Bobby Jindhal,  Nikki Haley, John Kasich, and few others and soon to be ex-gov Rick Perry.   Christie only won big by going to the midddle and working with Democrats. Lose/lose at the national level for conservatives,  worse than GWB's worst triangulations.

Here's the deal: We WILL win in 2016, voter fatigue with Obama will be too great, and we WILL have a conservative opportunity then.

Posted by: Obama Lied Jobs Died at January 15, 2014 08:18 PM (oNqbW)

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