January 15, 2014
— Maetenloch
Tim Blair: Hey How Come My 17 Year Old World Vision-Sponsored Child Still Draws Like a Preschooler?
So Tim Blair of the Australian Daily Telegraph has been sponsoring a boy named Obvious in Zimbabwe for over ten years but recently noticed a deterioration in the occasional drawings and letters he receives from Obvious including misspellings of his own name.
And so he's starting to ask some obvious questions about what's going on.
World Vision sends us a drawing from the boy every Christmas. Sadly, there is never any sign of improvement. In fact, lately he seems to be regressing.
He's now 17 years old. The above image is his most recent illustration.
World Vision director Matt Davis expressed concern over Tim's concern:
We share your concern about the recent report you have received from Obvious and we have requested an immediate response from our team in Zimbabwe. We are yet to hear back and will let you know as soon as we do.
I can assure you there are some really encouraging things happening in Obvious's community and we are committed to ensuring you receive an appropriate explanation as to what has been happening with his development.
And World Vision Australia CEO Tim Costello wrote an editorial personally addressed to Tim Blair and explained the Obvious mystery thusly:
I too sometimes wonder about the pictures I get from my sponsor children, which is why immediately following Mr Blair's concern regarding his sponsor child, Obvious, I rang our Zimbabwe staff to see if we could get to the bottom of the matter.
They visited Obvious and his mother where Obvious explained he decided to draw his vision of their future home, where they would have a brick house rather than a grass-thatched house. He drew a tree because of the heat and whirlwinds to provide shade and shelter from the harsh sun and winds.
And then he admitted that World Vision's individual child-sponsorship is really more of a group effort kind of thingy:
There was a time many years ago when World Vision's sponsorship program meant the child you sponsored would directly receive your monthly donation. While this model was effective for the individual child, we discovered it didn't change the poverty and situation surrounding them and instead created dissent from families who missed out.
As a result, we moved to what's called a ''community development model'' whereby your child, their family and their community benefit from your sponsorship. Working with community members and leaders, World Vision tailors programs to address varying causes of poverty and build a community's capacity to care for themselves.
Because you know sometimes it takes a village and all that. And maybe 'community development model' Obvious just sucks at drawing and writing and should focus its efforts elsewhere.
FBI Edits Mission Statement: Removes Law Enforcement As 'Primary' Purpose
It's now 'national security'.
"Following the 9/11 attacks, the FBI picked up scores of new responsibilities related to terrorism and counterintelligence while maintaining a finite amount of resources. What's not in question is that government agencies tend to benefit in numerous ways when considered critical to national security as opposed to law enforcement. 'If you tie yourself to national security, you get funding and you get exemptions on disclosure cases,' said McClanahan. 'You get all the wonderful arguments about how if you don't get your way, buildings will blow up and the country will be less safe.'
The 8 Most Terrible Things Done By Jim Moran, America's Worst Congressman
Jim "I like to hit people" Moran (D-VA) is like a one man walking list of all possible congressional scandals and offenses. From assault to voter fraud to insider trading to accepting financial favors to vote peddling to three other kinds of assault - you name it and Jim Moran (D-VA) has probably done it. The only crimes missing from the list seem to be mopery and indecent exposure and I'm pretty sure that's just an oversight on the tabulator's part. Oh and you can guess which ethnic group he really really dislikes. (thanks to CAC)
Doomsday Clock Remains at 5 Minutes Until Midnight
Reasons for the clock remaining at five minutes include the U.S. and Russian not doing much for disarmament increasing nuclear weapon stockpiles in India and China, stalled efforts to reduce carbon emissions globally, and "killer robots."
As well as $$$ since no one would pay much attention to the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists unless they harp imminent doom every year.
Why Yes I Will Beat You to Death With Your Own Machine Gun
And that's just what Cpl. Clifford Wooldridge did. From his Navy Cross citation:
As he crouched back behind the wall to reload, he saw the barrel of an enemy machine gun appear from around the wall. Without hesitation, he dropped his empty weapon and seized the machine gun barrel. He overwhelmed the enemy fighter in hand-to-hand combat, killing him with several blows to the head with the enemy's own machine gun.
Mrs. Alec Baldwin Stops Traffic in NYC Because Yoga
She has vowed to post a picture of a yoga pose every day in 2014 'regardless of where I am or what I'm wearing'.And even a busy New York street couldn't stop Hilaria Baldwin from completing her mission as she posed in midtown New York on Tuesday.
For her most recent yoga picture, Baldwin chose a 'warrior' stance as she stood in high heels with a hood over her face in the middle of the street.
The NY Legal 50 Round AR-15 Magazine
Well legal for now until they pass a new law or just declare the whole thing an illegal meta-magazine.
So You Drove Your Car into the Lake...
What to do now that your electric door locks and windows are shorted out.
Even Ghosts Get the Blues Sometimes
Or PTSD in the case of murder victims. Maybe someone should make a movie based on this idea...oh yeah right.
Psychological phenomena in dead people: Post- traumatic stress disorder in murdered people and its consequences to public healthAustralian Journal of Parapsychology, Volume 13 Issue 1 (Jun 2013)
Wasney de Almeida Ferreira
The aims of this paper are to narrate and analyze some psychological phenomena that I have perceived in dead people, including evidence of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) in murdered people. The methodology adopted was "projection of consciousness" (i.e., a non-ordinary state of consciousness), which allowed me to observe, interact, and interview dead people directly as a social psychologist. This investigation was based on Cartesian skepticism, which allowed me a more critical analysis of my experiences during projection of consciousness. There is strong evidence that a dead person: (i) continues living, thinking, behaving after death as if he/she still has his/her body because consciousness continues in an embodied state as 'postmortem embodied experiences'; (ii) may not realize for a considerable time that he/she is already dead since consciousness continues to be embodied after death (i.e., 'postmortem perturbation' - the duration of this perturbation can vary from person to person, in principle according to the type of death, and the level of conformation), and (iii) does not like to talk, remember, and/or explain things related to his/her own death because there is evidence that many events related to death are repressed in his/her unconscious ('postmortem cognitive repression'). In addition, there is evidence that dying can be very traumatic to consciousness, especially to the murdered, and PTSD may even develop.
NSFW-ish (thanks to Zakn). And then you have Curvy Swervy Dames which is vintage NSFW. You have been warned.
Teh Tweet!
Le AoSHQ groupe de Yahoo. Ooh la la!
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Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 15, 2014 06:37 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 15, 2014 06:40 PM (4KA1Z)
Posted by: Brother Cavil needs to sort his socks at January 15, 2014 06:40 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Shoeless Joe in a cornfield at January 15, 2014 06:41 PM (+1T7c)
Let me entertain you with this slice of cheese.
Posted by: fluffy at January 15, 2014 06:42 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 06:42 PM (aVUk1)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at January 15, 2014 06:42 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Bark Obama at January 15, 2014 06:43 PM (dkw5q)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac lover of KaBoom Cereal at January 15, 2014 06:43 PM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Thomas Friedman at January 15, 2014 06:43 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 06:44 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 15, 2014 06:44 PM (4KA1Z)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 06:44 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 15, 2014 06:45 PM (f0d+t)
Posted by: Bruce Dickinson at January 15, 2014 06:45 PM (aVUk1)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 06:46 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:46 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Hillary! Clinton at January 15, 2014 06:46 PM (BXLPR)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 06:46 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Ribald Conservative riding Orca at January 15, 2014 06:47 PM (+1T7c)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 06:47 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 15, 2014 06:47 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 06:49 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 06:49 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: webworker at January 15, 2014 06:50 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 15, 2014 06:51 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Aviator at January 15, 2014 06:52 PM (DI+ja)
Posted by: Tor Akman at January 15, 2014 06:53 PM (aVUk1)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:53 PM (DmNpO)
Knock me over with a feather. I think PT Barnum had something to say about this.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 06:53 PM (wNF3N)
Hell I own one car that has a non working door, and no one has a clue WTF happened. It simply went in to locked mode and has been there ever since, and it has never been wet. Dealer wants a thousand dollars to fix it. I said to them, maybe I got the wrong dealer.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 06:53 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:54 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 10:46 PM (DmNpO)
Even better...
http://tinyurl.com/lb8y65
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 06:54 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 15, 2014 06:54 PM (GKF3X)
make sure you get your protein and wash it down with green veggies. Won't give you diabetes.
Posted by: fluffy at January 15, 2014 06:54 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:54 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Brother Cavil needs to sort his socks at January 15, 2014 06:55 PM (m9V0o)
Posted by: Thrawn at January 15, 2014 06:55 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:56 PM (DmNpO)
Knock me over with a feather. I think PT Barnum had something to say about this.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 10:53 PM (wNF3N)
I'm guessing they never expected people to stick with it to the point that the kid is nearly an adult.
Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 06:57 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 15, 2014 06:57 PM (GKF3X)
Posted by: Iasonas at January 15, 2014 06:57 PM (FHNkr)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 15, 2014 06:57 PM (HVI5a)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 06:58 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:58 PM (DmNpO)
Surprisingly, nothing happened as a result of it. Also surprisingly, I didn't get laid today as I have seen no other humans or pets or even a hot piece of cheese today.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 06:58 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at January 15, 2014 06:58 PM (EZNxq)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 15, 2014 06:59 PM (6zuP3)
Posted by: traye at January 15, 2014 06:59 PM (FtCug)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 06:59 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Aviator at January 15, 2014 06:59 PM (DI+ja)
Oh for another "Wrigley Field Firedog" (a spicy Vienna Beef dog) with the works and some giardanera on the side right now... ;-)
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 15, 2014 06:59 PM (HVI5a)
Posted by: Carol at January 15, 2014 06:59 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 07:00 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 10:46 PM (7kkQJ)
No, apparently they've always been World Vision.
Oh and from the looks of Wikipedia this isn't the first time they've been caught doing this stuff, and have had to do the "we take a community approach spin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Vision
Check the "Criticism" section.
Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 07:01 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:01 PM (At8tV)
Live thread it?
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 10:59 PM (DmNpO)
Nooooooooooooo!!!!!
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 07:01 PM (yh0zB)
Congrats Mrs Baldwin, you've accomplished what I thought was nearly impossible ...
You're an even bigger asshole than your husband
Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2014 07:02 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 15, 2014 07:02 PM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at January 15, 2014 07:02 PM (N/cFh)
And from the looks of it, she'll be flat as a pancake VERY soon.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 15, 2014 07:03 PM (HVI5a)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 07:03 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 07:03 PM (aVUk1)
Now, somebody correct me if I am wrong here, but this is exactly the thing that wasn't supposed to happen, right?
Wife is a retired Fed. This was part of her compensation package.
I guess a contract means nothing anymore.
Well, guess what, good old USA, that shit works both ways.
You don't honor your contracts, I won't honor mine. That's the way you want it, so shall it be.
I'll take my problems over yours any day.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 07:03 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 07:04 PM (yh0zB)
Folks here know about the case, right? It's been the hot topic in Orange County (California) for a few days now.
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 15, 2014 07:04 PM (HVI5a)
Were you playing by ear, Gingy? And I hope your head feels better now.
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 15, 2014 07:04 PM (Rax2C)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 07:04 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 15, 2014 07:05 PM (6zuP3)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:05 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 10:58 PM (wNF3N)<<<
*eyes dart left, then right*
Uhh, gotta run.
Posted by: the toaster at January 15, 2014 07:05 PM (mSI+k)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:05 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2014 07:05 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 07:05 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 07:06 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:06 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Angel with a sword at January 15, 2014 07:06 PM (hpgw1)
Best policy: power the windows down and unlock the doors the moment your car goes in the drink, and before the water inside rises to the level of the body control module, usually located behind the dash.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2014 07:06 PM (60Q+L)
Lol. Mention the new Cubs mascot garrett, and he runs in the other direction.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 07:06 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 07:06 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:07 PM (At8tV)
I'd bet it's either Sarah Palin or Kristi Yamaguchi behind the wheel. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_hjxfBhWzA
Posted by: qdpsteve at January 15, 2014 07:07 PM (HVI5a)
Posted by: Oldest Trick in the Book at January 15, 2014 07:07 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: whatmeworry? at January 15, 2014 07:08 PM (dZGNV)
Posted by: Carol at January 15, 2014 07:08 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 15, 2014 07:08 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 15, 2014 07:08 PM (Rax2C)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:08 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:08 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:09 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:09 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 07:09 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 11:06 PM (sdi6R)
Didn't the real Top Gear demonstrate that your best shot is to open the door immediately?
Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 07:09 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: Clark the Cub at January 15, 2014 07:10 PM (aVUk1)
Apparently it changed Jan. 2. According to Kaiser that is when we were dropped.
I did not find out about it until today when I went to refill a prescription and was informed that the account is terminated. I had several phone conversations with several well meaning and polite people, but the long and short of it is that we are dropped. End of story. Do not pass Go.
I am absolutely livid.
Of course, you can't even get through to Membership. I stayed on hold for 2 hours today, on the speaker phone. Never once got a human on the other end.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 07:10 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 15, 2014 07:11 PM (GKF3X)
That's hilarious!
Posted by: Iasonas at January 15, 2014 07:11 PM (FHNkr)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:11 PM (At8tV)
They should hook him up with the guy who's just come off a 7-week erection. (It's at Drudge.)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 15, 2014 07:11 PM (Rax2C)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at January 15, 2014 07:12 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:12 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 15, 2014 07:12 PM (6zuP3)
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 15, 2014 07:12 PM (Rax2C)
They should hook him up with the guy who's just come off a 7-week erection. (It's at Drudge.)
Posted by: andycanuck at January 15, 2014 11:11 PM (Rax2C)
So a 16 year old huh.
Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 07:12 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:13 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: whatmeworry? at January 15, 2014 07:13 PM (dZGNV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:15 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 15, 2014 07:15 PM (6zuP3)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 07:15 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Thrawn at January 15, 2014 07:16 PM (WlWt+)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 15, 2014 07:16 PM (4KA1Z)
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 07:16 PM (AW7Gr)
Come on, Gingy, I haven't teased you since the mittens joke what seems like weeks and weeks ago.
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 15, 2014 07:16 PM (Rax2C)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 07:16 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (At8tV)
I tried watching it but I can't stand that guy's voice.
Posted by: Iasonas at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (FHNkr)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 11:13 PM (P6QsQ)
Welcome to the subtleties of Obamacare. I am surprised that Kaiser would drop you as in the old days they were pretty good to us.
Mrs H and I each just had a prescription refill (one each) for a grand total of $1200 or so. It's going to be an expensive year.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 15, 2014 07:17 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Thrawn at January 15, 2014 11:16 PM (WlWt+)
http://tinyurl.com/7ck6xp6
Posted by: Iasonas at January 15, 2014 07:18 PM (FHNkr)
Posted by: grammie winger at January 15, 2014 07:18 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Thrawn at January 15, 2014 11:16 PM (WlWt+)
I call bullshit.
Posted by: Fcuked Up Hair Dude on the History Channel at January 15, 2014 07:18 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 15, 2014 11:12 PM (6zuP3)
But based on the information on wiki the group they worked with for Palestinians was a terrorist front group.
Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 07:18 PM (LI48c)
Posted by: Erowmero at January 15, 2014 07:18 PM (OONaw)
Posted by: fluffonutta at January 15, 2014 07:18 PM (Ua6T/)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at January 15, 2014 07:19 PM (N/cFh)
The expiration time of any utterance from our beloved leader's government now seems to be measured in hours.
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 15, 2014 07:19 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 11:16 PM (AW7Gr)
WW2 vets learned it with health care "for life" (TRICARE bitches!) and the retirees are learning it right now.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 07:20 PM (yh0zB)
Why, it's almost if they hire cute kids with big sad eyes to play impoverished third world children
Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2014 07:20 PM (aTXUx)
Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 11:18 PM (LI48c)
To be perfectly clear, there are no non-terrorist Palestinian groups!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 15, 2014 07:21 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: whatmeworry? at January 15, 2014 07:21 PM (dZGNV)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 15, 2014 07:22 PM (LhAqq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:22 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 07:23 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: gracepmc at January 15, 2014 07:23 PM (rznx3)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 07:24 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:24 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2014 07:25 PM (oFCZn)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 07:25 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:25 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 15, 2014 07:25 PM (g4TxM)
Yeah, that is where I feel the most betrayed.
Citizenship is a two way street.
I held up my end of the deal. They broke theirs.
What do I owe them?
Jack.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 07:25 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 15, 2014 11:25 PM (oFCZn)
Apparently they're making a TV show for you now...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 07:26 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:27 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 15, 2014 07:27 PM (g4TxM)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:28 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 07:29 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 07:31 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Baldy at January 15, 2014 07:31 PM (2bql3)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2014 07:31 PM (U1Tts)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 07:32 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 07:32 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at January 15, 2014 07:32 PM (BXLPR)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:32 PM (DmNpO)
I'm pretty sure he said to email his name at yahoo
Posted by: concrete girl at January 15, 2014 07:33 PM (LhAqq)
Posted by: webworker at January 15, 2014 07:33 PM (U13jb)
Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at January 15, 2014 07:34 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 11:32 PM (DmNpO)
She should be getting lots of invites to "come as you are" parties.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 15, 2014 07:34 PM (60Q+L)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 07:34 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 15, 2014 07:35 PM (GKF3X)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:35 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:36 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Vincent at January 15, 2014 07:37 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:37 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Carol at January 15, 2014 07:38 PM (z4WKX)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 07:38 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 07:38 PM (sdi6R)
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Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 07:39 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 07:40 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: concrete girl at January 15, 2014 07:40 PM (LhAqq)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:41 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:41 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 07:41 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Phinn at January 15, 2014 07:41 PM (KOGmz)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 07:42 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 07:42 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 07:42 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 07:43 PM (sdi6R)
http://amzn.to/1m8NqJG
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 07:43 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 07:43 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 15, 2014 07:44 PM (o3MSL)
Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at January 15, 2014 07:45 PM (iB0Q2)
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Posted by: Joe Biden, who probably has a higher IQ than you, just ask him at January 15, 2014 07:52 PM (mSI+k)
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Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 07:54 PM (DmNpO)
"Without hesitation, he dropped his empty weapon and seized the machine gun barrel. He overwhelmed the enemy fighter in hand-to-hand combat, killing him with several blows to the head with the enemyÂ’s own machine gun."
Marines don't fly halfway across the planet to sip chai with goatrapers and damn sure don't make sillyy dance videos.
Semper Fi
Oh wait...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ySHSTEzjQ
Seriously. Nice work, Marine.
Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 07:54 PM (x3YFz)
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Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 15, 2014 07:56 PM (dTh2r)
Posted by: eman at January 15, 2014 07:56 PM (AO9UG)
Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 15, 2014 11:56 PM (dTh2r)
I would actually bang Hilaria Baldwin though
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 07:57 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 15, 2014 07:57 PM (dTh2r)
And in the foreseeable future, the progs are doomed. When the new tribal governments emerge from the chaos, the people who speak of "justice" and "fairness" and "Islam" will be shot without trial. Their like will be purged from the world, to its betterment.
Me? I'll be long gone. I paint pictures. I don't do anything useful. I have no skills useful in a post-progressive world. But that's okay. People who paint pictures will have their use, when the world settles enough to recognize that sometimes beauty can be foreseen.
If one or two of you remember me, that would be cool. But if no one does, well,that's fate, isn't it.
Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 07:57 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 15, 2014 07:57 PM (4Mv1T)
that is a hellava idea
Posted by: bill-o at January 15, 2014 07:57 PM (AWwDY)
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Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 15, 2014 08:02 PM (g4TxM)
And in the foreseeable future, the progs are doomed. When the new tribal governments emerge from the chaos, the people who speak of "justice" and "fairness" and "Islam" will be shot without trial. Their like will be purged from the world, to its betterment.
Me? I'll be long gone. I paint pictures. I don't do anything useful. I have no skills useful in a post-progressive world. But that's okay. People who paint pictures will have their use, when the world settles enough to recognize that sometimes beauty can be foreseen.
If one or two of you remember me, that would be cool. But if no one does, well,that's fate, isn't it.
Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 11:57 PM (xjpRj)
Oh, cheer up! We'll let you pull the lever while we go hunt down another batch.
Posted by: cthulhu Defarge at January 15, 2014 08:02 PM (T1005)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 15, 2014 08:03 PM (4KA1Z)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 08:03 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:03 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 08:03 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 08:04 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 15, 2014 08:04 PM (dTh2r)
They've been doing this for quite a while.
As I understand it, when the "sponsored" child used to grow up, a lot of donors would stop and not sponsor another. (for whatever reason)
So they decided to make it a group thing and when you send money, it's given to a group of that age or a village.
It's a scam sometimes.
Want to help someone? Go to a Church and ask them if they need volunteers for something. If they don't, they'll know someone who does and send you on. Volunteering and donating in person and on the spot is more rewarding but it takes more commitment and work than the other kind.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 15, 2014 08:04 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 08:05 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 15, 2014 08:05 PM (KL49F)
All the money given to these "kids" goes to buy booze and caviar for African dictators, and their white enablers who get to skim off a good chunk of the takings. That's all it is about, that's all its ever been about.
Me, I don't need to pay scamsters to assuage my "white guilt".
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 15, 2014 08:06 PM (hTDbY)
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Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 08:08 PM (lZBBB)
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Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 15, 2014 08:10 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: bill-o at January 15, 2014 11:57 PM (AWwDY)
heh, I had to go back and see what I was talking about...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:10 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at January 15, 2014 08:11 PM (dTh2r)
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Posted by: buzzion at January 15, 2014 11:18 PM (LI48c)
Thank you, buzzion, for the additional info wrt World Vision.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 15, 2014 08:12 PM (KL49F)
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Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 08:13 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:14 PM (yh0zB)
You need something relatively heavy and pointy to bust out the passenger windows. A big knife will work. They make special tools for this, I bought some for all of my relatives, comes with a seat belt cutter built in. Do a search on Amazon, you can get them for under 10 bucks.
And whatever you do, DO NOT waste your time trying to bust out the front windshield. Those are especially hardened and are designed to NOT shatter. They may come out all in one piece but by that time you are drowned. Go for the passenger windows.
Posted by: navybrat at January 15, 2014 08:14 PM (AW7Gr)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 08:14 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at January 15, 2014 08:14 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Tom Servo
Well, chique certainly doesn't fit into that category; painting with a broad brush usually wipes out the details.
Personally, I see that their main pitch as 'you have so much and they have so little'. And it is, of course, true. Look, we are all manipulated to one extent or another -- by the media, our parents, our friends, our leaders, our associations with others. And we all want to be viewed (at a minimum, in the mirror) as a good person. So if it gives you joy to give, then give.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 08:15 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:15 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: sacredcow at January 15, 2014 08:15 PM (L8S77)
Whats scariest about the fall of a Society....
It will be the people with weapons who get to decide what comes after....
Which is of course why the Government wants to disarm us...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 12:05 AM (lZBBB)
Hey, wait a second -- wasn't Madame Defarge knitting all the time? What's Gingy's maiden name?
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 08:15 PM (T1005)
that the Glock carbine conversion is not available for the Glock 36. There is, however, one for the Glock 19.Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:16 PM (yh0zB)
Wonder how easily would the metal part of a seat belt buckle shatter a side window?
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 15, 2014 08:17 PM (mSI+k)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 15, 2014 08:17 PM (4KA1Z)
Posted by: sacredcow at January 16, 2014 12:15 AM (L8S77)
Cotton balls stuffed up the nostrils.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:18 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:18 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 08:19 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 08:19 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 08:20 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2014 08:20 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:20 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 08:20 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 08:21 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 08:22 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:22 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 12:21 AM (wNF3N)
Yep. A little louder than an automatic center punch, but effective nonetheless.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:23 PM (yh0zB)
It's cool, i have a spot on TLC. And I'm a special snowflake.
Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2014 12:18 AM (Q6HBD)
I have a bit of land covered in mouse, rabbit, coyote, raccoon, dog, bird, pronghorn and snake shit.
They're welcome to come sniff away.
Might want to watch out for the rattlers though. Well, that and my boot up their ass.
Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 08:25 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 08:25 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:25 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 16, 2014 12:17 AM (mSI+k)
it will take a few wacks and you have to place your hits but it will break
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 08:26 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 08:27 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:28 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:29 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 08:29 PM (sdi6R)
will be my new carry in two weeks
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 16, 2014 12:27 AM (At8tV)
Two calibers that the local WallyWorld has ALWAYS had in stock, even when they were out of everything else but shotgun shells, is .40 and 7mm. That's why my next hunting rifle will be in 7mm.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:29 PM (yh0zB)
If you want out??? Pull down the backseat to open the way to the trunk...
Pull the release on the trunk.... use your legs to then open it a crack until the water pressure is released...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 16, 2014 12:20 AM (lZBBB)<<<
Was trying think of another way to get out of a car without an actual window breaking tool handy. Plus, in some cars, you might not be able to lower the back seat to pass through from the cabin to the trunk. Might not have time to fight with it to rip it outta the way either.
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 15, 2014 08:30 PM (mSI+k)
Like you'd be suddenly concerned about some hearing loss? Also, you can use it to shoot any attacking sharks as you swim for the surface.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 08:30 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:30 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: Every State Trooper near Gnu [/i] [/b] at January 15, 2014 08:31 PM (qrpxS)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:31 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 08:31 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 12:30 AM (wNF3N)
I shot a rat in a basement with a 12ga once, my ears rang for days afterward. Ah, the things young males will do when there are females involved...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:32 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 15, 2014 08:32 PM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:33 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 16, 2014 12:31 AM (At8tV)
Makers of fine nylon sacks to put your guns in...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:33 PM (yh0zB)
As I pointed out in last night's ONT, I live in MS. Perfectly legal (not a lawyer, look it up blah blah blah) to carry a loaded weapon in your car here. The car is considered an extension of your house.
See, we ain't the worst in EVERY category.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 08:34 PM (wNF3N)
African kids have been starving since I was a little American kid with an African dad in the 60s. If they can't get it together in 50 years, oh well.
I think we all know that such monies line the pockets of the African kleptocrats. Well now Tim Blair knows it, too.
Posted by: baldilocks at January 15, 2014 08:34 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:34 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 08:36 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 15, 2014 08:37 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Socratease at January 15, 2014 08:38 PM (1jViy)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 15, 2014 08:38 PM (qrpxS)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:38 PM (esoZV)
This is the road we're on.
Posted by: RWC at January 16, 2014 12:31 AM (Q6HBD)
Taking bets on who she voted for... in 3.... 2.... hey where's everyone going?
Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 08:38 PM (x3YFz)
If you want something that doesn't come off the belt let me suggest either Dragon Leather Works or Michael's Custom Holsters. I have a Fugly from Dragon Leather Works and I like it a lot, but I don't use it much because I usually have to be able to take the gun off and leave it in the car. When I don't the Fugly goes with me.
If you'd like to keep it in the family I'm going to have one made by fellow Moron Awkward Davies for Grand-dad's High Standard when I can connect with him, I don't have a website for him but I do have an email address if you are interested.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:39 PM (yh0zB)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNO4pph5nPI
Time was, people felt they had an assurance that the world would never again be destroyed by flood. But, we just found that whole covenant unconstitutional, so all deals are off. And some will blame Leviticus.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at January 15, 2014 08:40 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2014 12:39 AM (yh0zB)
fucking hipsters
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 08:41 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Null at January 15, 2014 08:42 PM (xjpRj)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 08:42 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:43 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 08:44 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:45 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:46 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:46 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2014 12:43 AM (yh0zB)
it was a joke. I'm partial to shoulder holsters myself
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 08:46 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 08:47 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Weirddave at January 15, 2014 08:47 PM (N/cFh)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 08:50 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:50 PM (esoZV)
Welfare doesn't magically become more benign when practiced on an international scale. It's just as enervating and bassackwards.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2014 12:38 AM (qrpxS)
Her name is Dambisa Moyo. My father, Philip Ochieng, has said the same thing.
Posted by: baldilocks at January 15, 2014 08:50 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 08:52 PM (aDwsi)
On the other hand, if water enters the car to a certain point and then stops, it's because the pressure inside and out has equalized At that point, the pressure on the door is 0. If you drove a car into 11 feet of water, it remained upright, water entered through the floor vents only, and the car filled 1/3 with water and stopped, you could just open the door and get out.
If the car remained upright, you noted water entering through the floor vents, and you shot out and shattered a 1'x2' window, the shards would be propelled toward you with 12x24x5 = 1440 pounds of force. After that little wake-up call, you could then attempt to pass your body through a 12x24 space potentially rimmed with razor-sharp glass shards, underwater, while holding your breath.
Unless the car is still sinking, or air is leaving the vehicle in large amounts, your worst enemy is panic -- not time.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 08:53 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 12:44 AM (aDwsi)
I don't remember your saying so. This one is a model H-B, I really should take some measurements on it. I'm trying to arrange a time to take it to SC to met up with AD to have it fitted. When I get the holster made I'll do a full eval on it.
Haha, hipsters, now I get it. 
I know, it's not as funny if you have to explain it.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:53 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: navycopjoe why god why? at January 15, 2014 08:53 PM (At8tV)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:55 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 15, 2014 08:56 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:56 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2014 12:53 AM (T1005)
That's what I was thinking. Not that panic wouldn't be a reasonable reaction, but giving in to it never does any good.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:57 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: rickl at January 15, 2014 08:58 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 08:59 PM (esoZV)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 08:59 PM (yh0zB)
And how is it any different than using a window busting device, cthulhu? Answer -- none. Also, all car side windows are made of tempered safety glass. It busts into little cubes that you would have to work at to cut yourself on.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 08:59 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 15, 2014 09:01 PM (yh0zB)
Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2014 09:01 PM (Q6HBD)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 09:02 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 15, 2014 09:03 PM (qrpxS)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 16, 2014 12:52 AM (aDwsi)
I think it was Krauthammer who said that you get more of what you subsidize.
Posted by: baldilocks at January 15, 2014 09:05 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: baldilocks at January 15, 2014 09:07 PM (36Rjy)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2014 12:53 AM (T1005)
That's what I was thinking. Not that panic wouldn't be a reasonable reaction, but giving in to it never does any good.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 16, 2014 12:57 AM (yh0zB)
Oh, and consider climbing to the highest point where there's a door, and shooting/breaking the lowest point you can reach that faces perpendicular to you. For example -- sunk in 11' of water, nose 2' lower than trunk....climb into back seat passenger side, shatter front passenger side window, throwing most shards and debris into driver's seat, open rear passenger door and kick to surface.
And certainly, it'd be difficult to think of a situation full of more temptation to panic.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:07 PM (T1005)
Posted by: The Pollitical Hat at January 15, 2014 09:08 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 09:09 PM (jsmDz)
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 09:09 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at January 15, 2014 09:10 PM (HsTG8)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 09:12 PM (ojnk6)
vents, and you shot out and shattered a 1'x2' window, the shards would
be propelled toward you with 12x24x5 = 1440 pounds of force. After that
little wake-up call, you could then attempt to pass your body through a
12x24 space potentially rimmed with razor-sharp glass shards,
underwater, while holding your breath.
And how is it any different than using a window busting device, cthulhu? Answer -- none. Also, all car side windows are made of tempered safety glass. It busts into little cubes that you would have to work at to cut yourself on.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 12:59 AM (wNF3N)
I've had a bit of experience with a broken shower door....those little cubes aren't as friendly as you make them sound -- and the pieces embedded in the remnants of the frame can leave quite a gash. Admittedly, you'd have to work at it to be eviscerated -- but you could easily hurt yourself. And screaming underwater is a bitch.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:13 PM (T1005)
don't know if this has been pointed out .... the first thing you do is release your seatbelt in a water/auto situation...
ask me how I know that?????
Posted by: the snarkster at January 16, 2014 01:09 AM (jsmDz)
Hey, snarkster -- how do you know that?
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:14 PM (T1005)
But get this, PH -- the rate is about to take another massive 'dip' since the extended UI bennie is looking like it won't be renewed (yay). So all those recipients will be off the unemployment rolls; hence the newest dip.
As to the naysayers about shooting the window out; you have your plans, I have mine. In the highly unlikely event I'm underwater in my car, my plan gives me a chance. What if the water is 60 feet deep where you went in? You wanna wait til you hit bottom for the water pressure to even out? Er, no. I want out sooner than that. YMMV
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 09:16 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 09:17 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Zombie Mary Jo Kopechne at January 15, 2014 09:20 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Pedobear at January 15, 2014 09:20 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 09:21 PM (ojnk6)
But get this, PH -- the rate is about to take another massive 'dip' since the extended UI bennie is looking like it won't be renewed (yay). So all those recipients will be off the unemployment rolls; hence the newest dip.
As to the naysayers about shooting the window out; you have your plans, I have mine. In the highly unlikely event I'm underwater in my car, my plan gives me a chance. What if the water is 60 feet deep where you went in? You wanna wait til you hit bottom for the water pressure to even out? Er, no. I want out sooner than that. YMMV
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 01:16 AM (wNF3N)
At 60 feet deep, the pressure on the outside of a sealed car would be about 25 psi. If no air escaped your vehicle, you'd end up with an air volume of about 1/3 of the vehicle, before you could just open the door. From 60 feet, it is important to blow bubbles continuously while ascending and look up -- I did an ESA in SCUBA class from that depth -- you feel really stupid for about the first 30 feet, 'cause you're kicking away and going "bubble, bubble, bubble"....but after that you're going "where the fuck is all of this coming from?" and the last ten feet you're going "blaaaaaarrrgghh".
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:25 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 09:25 PM (AkhEV)
Posted by: The Pollitical Hat at January 15, 2014 09:26 PM (AymDN)
Pearl divers routinely free dive to that depth.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 09:27 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 09:29 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 09:29 PM (jsmDz)
But they're hot Japanese babes like in You Only Live Twice.
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 15, 2014 09:30 PM (Rax2C)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 09:31 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 09:31 PM (Lice4)
Nothing wrong with a girl that can hold her breath for extended periods. In many cases, preferable. *ducks, yikes*
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 09:33 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 09:33 PM (jsmDz)
Pearl divers routinely free dive to that depth.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2014 01:27 AM (wNF3N)
If you grab a lungful of air and dive to about 70 feet, your lungs will be crushed to 1/3 their usual capacity -- but you don't care because that's what you do when you exhale anyway. When you come back to the surface, you're back to 100% --- no prob.
If you grab a lungful of air at about 70 feet, and swim to the surface, your lungs will want to expand to 3x their usual capacity, and may either go around or through your rib cage in the process.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:36 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Piercello at January 15, 2014 09:37 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 09:37 PM (6cF0M)
Posted by: the snarkster at January 15, 2014 09:38 PM (jsmDz)
Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 09:38 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2014 01:36 AM (T1005)
The basic rule of thumb (not sciency) is not to ascend faster than your air bubbles.
Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 09:40 PM (x3YFz)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 09:42 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:42 PM (T1005)
It's been done!
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3mhmpz4Ur1qcb5fko1_r1_400.jpg
Posted by: torquewrench at January 15, 2014 09:43 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 09:44 PM (Ipaev)
swim to the surface, your lungs will want to expand to 3x their usual
capacity, and may either go around or through your rib cage in the
process.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2014 01:36 AM (T1005)
The basic rule of thumb (not sciency) is not to ascend faster than your air bubbles.
Posted by: tangonine at January 16, 2014 01:40 AM (x3YFz)
That's for normal diving. In an ESA, you've got other issues.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:45 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Ford Prefect at January 15, 2014 09:47 PM (AymDN)
Seemingly fabulous stories are told of their descending, unaided, 150 feet or more beneath the surface, and remaining at lesser depths for nearly three minutes, far surpassing any modern records of the divers in India.
Dayum.
PS Thanks for all the info on breathing out while rising in deep water.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 09:48 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 15, 2014 09:50 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 01:42 AM (ojnk6)
My instructor's NAUI number was something like 42....you don't stop. You bubble, then you blaaarrrgggghhh.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:50 PM (T1005)
Posted by: The Cramps at January 15, 2014 09:51 PM (YHWrk)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2014 01:50 AM (AymDN)
didn't even have to look at the story to know where it happened
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 09:53 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:53 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 09:53 PM (cQ2+g)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 09:55 PM (ojnk6)
Yep. Holding your breath after a gulp of regular air volume at 60 feet
will blow your lungs out if you hold your breath and race for the
surface. Best to stop every 10 feet and exhale a fair amount while also
blowing out air in small amounts on the ascent. Long time diver here.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 01:42 AM (ojnk6)
My instructor's NAUI number was something like 42....you don't stop. You bubble, then you blaaarrrgggghhh.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2014 01:50 AM (T1005)
And, seriously -- did that. Most instructors won't go near doing an actual ESA drill for liability reasons. We did one -- regs out, safety divers every 15 feet and one riding along, from 60.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:57 PM (T1005)
I've said it before, I'll say it again: the #1 cause of death is ignorance of physics.
Posted by: tangonine at January 15, 2014 09:57 PM (x3YFz)
I used to drive a Hyperbaric chamber and I could not agree more strongly.
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2014 01:53 AM (cQ2+g)
Which chamber?
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 09:59 PM (T1005)
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 15, 2014 09:59 PM (AymDN)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 10:02 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:02 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 10:04 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 10:04 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 16, 2014 02:04 AM (hrU8o)
when it comes to death metal or black metal, always think Finland
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:06 PM (vJdyz)
Really? I definitely tske your word for it, but this is not what I was taught in the early 70s. Stopping every 10 feet (roughly) was then considered a good idea. Thanks for the real deal.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 02:02 AM (ojnk6)
Not for an ESA. For normal ascents, yes. The first word in Emergency Swimming Ascent is "Emergency", so there's no frills or party favors.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 10:06 PM (T1005)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 10:10 PM (369vy)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 10:12 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:12 PM (vJdyz)
Well it is quite cold and depressing there...
Posted by: chemjeff at January 15, 2014 10:13 PM (9GG/0)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 10:17 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 10:18 PM (hrU8o)
Well it is quite cold and depressing there...
Posted by: chemjeff at January 16, 2014 02:13 AM (9GG/0)
I think Finland is too specific -- there's also a lot of death metal and black metal in Sweden, Norway, and Iceland.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 10:18 PM (T1005)
Posted by: cthulhu at January 16, 2014 02:18 AM (T1005)
though true, the crazy shit mainly happens in Finland
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:19 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 15, 2014 10:19 PM (JPMUm)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 10:20 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 10:26 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 10:27 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: chemjeff at January 16, 2014 02:15 AM (9GG/0)
Nail 'em down with real-world applications. Explain why, if your lungs are like cylinders 5" across and 10" tall, each atmosphere of pressure gets to work on about 370 square inches of area with almost three tons of force....so if you're rising from 100 feet, lungs will want to expand to four times the size of your rib cage with almost 9 tons of force.....which would make http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRX2ntm2rXQ look dainty.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 10:29 PM (T1005)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 10:31 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Piercello at January 15, 2014 10:31 PM (P4dpU)
Posted by: KEN at January 15, 2014 10:32 PM (YHWrk)
Posted by: zombie at January 16, 2014 02:31 AM (+cx5n)
30 years old is considered vintage, sorry but it's the sad reality
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:32 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 10:35 PM (+cx5n)
Dang, zombie, you're a strict one. To me, 80s porn IS vintage, being as how I lived in a low porn environment where Nat Geo mag was hot stuff. Fapity.
Say halleluyah to Betamax porn.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 10:35 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: zombie at January 16, 2014 02:35 AM (+cx5n)
considering my short years of collecting and having seen some risque daguerreotypes over said years, that's about right
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:38 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: garrett at January 15, 2014 10:40 PM (YHWrk)
12 m - 1 min stop
9 m - 1 - 2 min stop
6 m - 4 min stop
3 m - 2 min stop
Supposedly this cut the incidence of DCS. I don't know what they teach now.
But we were talking about barotrauma...
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2014 02:19 AM (JPMUm)
Even a simple "safety stop" of 1 min at 10 feet will dramatically lower the risk of DCS, but ESAs are for things like "out-of-air" situations. The rules for ESAs are, so far as I know, as given earlier -- hand, follow, bubble.
The best scenario for DCS is to plan your dive "deep, then slope up". Unfortunately, most divers can't be "regulars" on their dives, and won't be able to plan better than the boat's divemaster.
Posted by: cthulhu at January 15, 2014 10:41 PM (T1005)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 10:41 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 10:44 PM (+cx5n)
And I must add a request, that it be a Thai midget tranny hooker, cuz I have standards. Or at least preferences.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 10:44 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 02:41 AM (ojnk6)
definition hasn't changed, it's always been about 25-30 years
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 10:46 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 10:50 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 10:51 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: zombie at January 16, 2014 02:44 AM
That definition can apply to to change from shot on film porn, to video porn.
Posted by: otho at January 15, 2014 10:52 PM (9gNQd)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 10:55 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 10:55 PM (+cx5n)
*hide the sausage* -- giggle
*making bacon* -- giggle
What's that you say? I'm an old fart? -- giggle
Nice threadjack, zombie
(Of course, it was limping along pretty limply anyhoo)
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 10:58 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 11:01 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 11:02 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 11:06 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 11:08 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 11:09 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 11:11 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 11:12 PM (ojnk6)
1. Boobs
2. Lowering the drinking age to 18
3. Porn
4. Concept albums
5. Stupid liberal beliefs
6. Abortion/religion
7. Crossbows
8. Hitler
9. Concerned trolling
I'm sure others can add to the list.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 11:12 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2014 03:09 AM (4JkHl)
there is that but you're still stuck in the US. You need to go over seas for classic cars of the 80's and early 90's
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 11:12 PM (vJdyz)
You read the post? You're no daisy, or least no Breitbart.
But point conceded.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 11:15 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 11:16 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Hate Miser at January 15, 2014 11:16 PM (mSI+k)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:17 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: zombie at January 15, 2014 11:17 PM (+cx5n)
http://tinyurl.com/qhdtgy6
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 16, 2014 01:50 AM (AymDN)
Black metal breeds some weird mofos, thats for sure.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 15, 2014 11:18 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:18 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 11:19 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:20 PM (4JkHl)
Possibly the most ridiculous laugh-out-loud offensively bad and guffaw-inducing clothes ever designed for the human male.
Is this where civilization ends?
Posted by: zombie at January 16, 2014 03:08 AM (+cx5n)
Shit, I hope so.
Posted by: Berserker- Dragonheads Division at January 15, 2014 11:21 PM (FMbng)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:21 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 11:23 PM (hrU8o)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:23 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2014 03:17 AM (4JkHl)
lol no but Lambo Diablo, AE86, almost all of Ferrari's stuff (try to find a boy in the 80's who didn't have one plastered on his wall), 911s (arguably THE car of the decade), R30, R31 and a few others
Posted by: The Dude at January 15, 2014 11:25 PM (vJdyz)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 11:27 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 11:27 PM (hrU8o)
We're talking 7 sigma, at least. I almost turned gay just looking at the pictures.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 11:29 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:29 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:30 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Robin Hood at January 15, 2014 11:33 PM (hrU8o)
I can see I need to up my game if I want to Scrooge next Christmas.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 11:37 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:37 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Jean at January 15, 2014 11:40 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Adriane... at January 15, 2014 11:44 PM (hrU8o)
This is becoming less and less likely during The Reign Of Error.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 15, 2014 11:47 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 15, 2014 11:56 PM (ojnk6)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 12:03 AM (ojnk6)
Mr. Weinstein then revealed his secret project about the gun rights group. “I shouldn’t say this, but I’ll tell it to you, Howard,” he said. “I’m going to make a movie with Meryl Streep, and we’re going to take this head-on. And they’re going to wish they weren’t alive after I’m done with them.”
Posted by: Charlton Heston at January 16, 2014 12:04 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 16, 2014 12:08 AM (qseA3)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 12:09 AM (ojnk6)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 16, 2014 12:12 AM (qseA3)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 16, 2014 12:13 AM (ojnk6)
Depending on who your friends are, and where you get your news, there are things you'll never hear about.
that's why I never go to slate/salon/huf'n'puff/the beast, places like that. because there are things there I don't want to know about.
Posted by: Harrisun Beamus at January 16, 2014 12:32 AM (cYFX+)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2014 01:11 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2014 01:38 AM (TE35l)
Just an idea.
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2014 01:25 AM (AkhEV)
dude,
the commanchies were real barbarians
let the women torture a captive.
cut off eyelids and let the captive sunburn their eyeballs.
antpiles
sew up captives in 'green hides' and let them bake in the sun
Remember the Commanchies lost the war
Posted by: the snarkster at January 16, 2014 01:33 AM (jsmDz)"
On a pure barbarity scale, the Apaches were worse. Also, man for man the Apaches were better fighters. The Comanches, though were a more effective fighting force. That is because they were so into horses. Before an Indian revolt in 1600, the Spanish were careful to only allow geldings in Indian territory. After the revolt, Indians had breeding horses and sold or traded them around. The Comanches, who were living in Wyoming at the time, really took to horse breeding. Other tribes would buy Comanche horses and the Comanches were happy to sell off their lesser horses, keeping the best for themselves. Each Comanche warrior would have a string of horses so that he could ride one for a while and then change horses before they got too tired. This allowed them to move quickly and show up in force where they were not expected, a tactic that worked as well for Comanche raids as it did for Viking raids. Having a string of horses was also handy for carrying off loot and captives before any effective response could be mounted.
With their dramatically increased military effectiveness, the Comanche increased their range substantially, eventually reaching the Gulf of Mexico where they encountered the Karankawa Indians. When the Comanche learned that the Karankawa were cannibals, they exterminated them.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at January 16, 2014 01:41 AM (BcCwi)
This kind of mentality seems to go hand in hand with the idiots who think much of modern technology sprang out of nowhere suddenly after WWII, despite having a very well documented trail of discovery and application of the underlying principles. I've met people who geneuinely believed humans could never have developed integrated circuits for themselves. These people couldn't accept the idea that there were humans vastly more intelligent than them, who understood the technology they were pioneering that these fools still found baffling decades later.
If you could magically erase every firearm from the planet overnight along with the specific knowledge of their design and production, inside of a few days engineers and machinists would well along in developing the concept anew from scratch. It is just too obvious and every aspect applicable in so many places. Would even a day go by before somebody wondered to themselves, "Why has a contained chemical explosion not been used to propel a projectile for offensive purposes?"
Posted by: Epobirs at January 16, 2014 01:46 AM (bPxS6)
The engineers of the 20s-30s were probably smarter pound for pound than the majority today. They exerted their will on materials in the span of their careers using their brains not a microprocessors' to do preliminary material stress factoring. There was also less "voluntary stupidity" extant.
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 01:56 AM (TE35l)
Beijing shuts down for 12 hours..smog off the charts...
which were already over WHO standards...
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 02:14 AM (TE35l)
First US Person arrested via drone on way to jail...
don't go cattle russlin' in Dakota El Norte
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 02:21 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: Panhandler at January 16, 2014 02:30 AM (LqVNJ)
Will post for
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 02:32 AM (TE35l)
Posted by: McLaren F1[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 16, 2014 02:32 AM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Panhandler at January 16, 2014 02:35 AM (LqVNJ)
Oh now come on let's be reasonable...
the '85 Chevette is already a classic eh?
http://tinyurl.com/ockhnvd
I put this 68.5 horsepower beast in the same category as the AMC AMX ANY DAY OF THE WEEK....
Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 16, 2014 02:38 AM (TE35l)
Not good.
Not a single box of any size on any shelf.
I don't need any right now.
Just wanted to see how the shelves looked.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 16, 2014 02:45 AM (GcYmn)
Posted by: Navypopojoe at January 16, 2014 02:47 AM (oR0vZ)
They had boxes and boxes of all ammo"
There is stuff out there.
We went up into Pa. on Tuesday to go to Gander Mt and look around.
I got the impression that their primary customer base is Maryland residents crossing the line to shop.
And.....didn't see a single box of 22 on the shelf while we were there either.
I wish there were numbers available as to the amount of ammo that has been absorbed by the US population in the last three years.
It must be an astonishingly large amount per person.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 16, 2014 02:53 AM (GcYmn)
Posted by: Carol at January 16, 2014 03:04 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Carol at January 16, 2014 03:11 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: Tom Servo at January 16, 2014 04:46 AM (hTDbY)
Mrs Alec Baldwin blocking traffic in a busy NYC street in order to have herself photographed doing a feeble warrior-2 pose in her stiletto heels: *that,* my fellow morons, is the face of American left in 2014 - all pose, privilege, and publicity.
Posted by: Brown Line at January 16, 2014 04:48 AM (a5bF3)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 16, 2014 08:00 AM (9eDbm)
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