February 24, 2014

Overnight Open Thread (2-24-2014)
— Maetenloch

Rise of the Pink Shirts

By blog standards I would be considered fairly gay-friendly. Which really means zero-effort benevolent indifference on my part. But I'll tell you who I do hate: bigots and proto-fascists.

And the radical gay rights movement isn't even trying to hide it any more. Chloe Nelson, a particularly nasty LGBT activist, issued this manifesto on Facebook:

It's time that the LGBT community forms a new organization that targets homophobes, bigots, religious zealots, religious fanatics, and all other assholes who are against equality, and human and civil rights for all people.

By targeting these bigots, and publishing every little detail of their sex lives, or personal lives, taking pictures through their windows, and getting the pics out on the internet, showing every little thing that they do, including how they wipe their asses when in the bathroom, or for that matter if they're wiping their asses in the kitchen - we've got to catch it on camera.

...We need to start making their lives a living hell by constant observation and publishing pics and articles every time they fart, or spit, or even look cross-eyed. It's obvious these bigots only understand one thing, and that is persecution, discrimination and bigotry.

And when LGBT activists disrupted a DC press conference by conservative Christian Dr. Scott Lively (who himself seems slightly questionable regarding free-speech) they proudly declared themselves to be what they are, neo-fascists:

Upon realizing that they would not be allowed to stay, the leader of the trio, Ellen Sturtz (self-described as an"Angry Old Lesbian" on her business card) began screaming "I'm a Homo-Fascist!" and tossed a wad of leaflets in the air. They turned out to be flyers with the title "Lively is Deadly" attempting to convey the message that I am a dangerous person who wants to harm homosexuals around the world.

And Bookworm excepts this excellent comment on the defining down of 'anti-gay' thought crimes:

One thing that really gets to me about all the "gay rights" stuff is the insanity of insisting that anyone who doesn't change their beliefs as facilely as the most hardcore advocates do is evil. Holding the view that Obama had when he was elected in 2008 is now hateful and bigoted.

...Did Obama hate gays until a couple of years ago? Or do you have to change your views constantly in order to not hate gays? It's amazing that if you were an advocate for civil unions 10 years ago and are still one today then you went from loving to hating gays while standing still.

These days agreeing completely with Hillary circa-1997 on gay issues would be enough to get you boycotted and hounded out of polite society.

Also Why Putin is So Concerned About the Gheys

Compensation for the past?

Piers Morgan Stays Classy the Piers Morgan Everyone Loathes

Another Data Point: Texas Passes Illinois in Median Household Income

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, in 2012 the inflation-adjusted median household income for Texas surpassed that of Illinois for the first time since 1984, when the statistic first started being recorded.

That means the household making the median income in Texas is taking home a bigger paycheck than the household making the median income in Illinois.

This plus a lower cost of living = a freer and better quality of life.

txvil

What Obama Has Done to the Working Poor

Mainly give them more poorness and less work. Along with new unaffordable 'affordable' health care.

WAGE-STAGNATION

Higher Education or a House: Can Young Americans Have Both?

Well maybe not if you borrowed to pay for your education. Banks get nervous when a first time buyer effectively already has an existing mortgage that eats up monthly income and is non-dischargeable.

My husband and I would love to own a home, but right now we just can't. Why? Grad school debt. Yep, we're in our 30s, we both have great jobs and, as an economist at Redfin, I spend my days obsessing over real estate. But our crushing six-figure debt from graduate school means we will likely be the last of our friends to become homeowners.

Obviously, we're not the only ones who have mountains of college loans to pay off. Last week, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York reported that student loan debt rose more than 5 percent in the fourth quarter of 2013 and now exceeds $1 trillion.

Redfin's Q1 homebuyer survey found that these rising debt loads are delaying homeownership among young Americans. From Feb. 20 to 23, Redfin surveyed 1,912 home-buying clients, of which 965 were buying a home for the first time. Among the first-timers,16 percent said that student debt had previously kept them from buying a home.

According to studies getting a college degree is still a clear win financially versus not getting one. But when you factor in heavy student loans, it's far less so and in terms of quality of life maybe even a net negative.

Trend: Naming Your Kids After Guns

While the author frets about what the popularity of Colt, Remington, Ruger, Gunner, and Beretta as names says about America or something, note that nearly all of these are family names and fit in with the larger trend of using last names as first names. Plus they sound cool. Why be just another Michael or Blake Jones when you could be Beretta Jones?

In 2002, only 194 babies were named Colt, while in 2012 there were 955. Just 185 babies were given the name Remington in 2002, but by 2012 the number had jumped to 666. Perhaps the most surprising of all, however, is a jump in the name Ruger's (America's leading firearm manufacturer) from just 23 in 2002 to 118 in 2012. "This name [Ruger] is more evidence of parents' increasing interest in naming children after firearms," Wattenberg writes. "Colt, Remington, and Gauge have all soared, and Gunner is much more common than the traditional name Gunnar."

gunname_glock

Five Reasons You're Not Getting Any Work Done

I'm sensing a pattern here. Luckily for me I've managed to avoid the whole book of face thing thus far which has allowed me to procrastinate and slack off in slightly more elevated ways.

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The Tokyo Hotel of Chicago: 5 Stars

For deluxe authentic fleabaggery.

Let me begin by saying that there are two kinds of people, those who will give the Tokyo Hotel 5 stars and rave about it to everyone they know, or... people who can't get past the broken phone, blood stains, beeping fire alarms, peg-legged receptionist, lack of water pressure, cracked walls, strange smells, questionable elevator, televisions left to die after the digital conversion, and the possibility that the air conditioner may fall out the window at any moment.

That being said, I whole-heartedly give the Tokyo Hotel 5 stars.

This is not a place to quietly slip in and out of with nothing to show but a faint memory of the imitation Thomas Kinkade painting bolted to the wall above your bed. And, there is no continental breakfast or coffee in the lobby. There are a few vending machines, but I'm pretty sure they wont take change minted after 1970.

Here your senses will be assaulted, and after you leave you will have enough memories to compete with a 1,000 mile road-trip.

I beg anyone who is even mildly considering staying here to give it a chance. The location is prime. We were able to walk down Michigan Ave and the river-walk in the middle of the night, all without straying too far from the hotel. There is a grocery store a block away and parking (which may cost more that your hotel room) across the street.

Besides, this place is cheap. Super-cheap for downtown Chicago. The closest price we found in the area was four times as expensive. But, be sure to grab some cash. They don't accept credit cards.
I have walked by the Tokyo Hotel countless times. It reminds me of the type place that Peter Parker lives in in the Spiderman movies, Or the sort of place Marla Singer might live in, or maybe it is a carbon copy of the Hotel Zamenhof. Basically it is scuzzy and sleazy, through and through it is a fleabag, and I love it.

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Abe Vigoda Status: Still Alive

And he just turned 93 today.

Abe Vigoda

The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.

And my twitter thang.

Tonight's post brought to you by Pvt. Russell Ziskey:

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1 Foist.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 24, 2014 06:38 PM (bCEmE)

2 Feminism 2.0 Wasn’t “feminism” all about women having the freedom to choose what they want to be, and not just be treated as sex objects? To modern-day Feminists, women who choose to be mothers/wives are condemned, while endorsing women as sex objects. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=5059

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 06:38 PM (AymDN)

3 Fresh thread!

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 06:38 PM (ojnk6)

4 I had a painful period, then I took a bath.  Now I'm leaving.  {flounces out}

Posted by: Piers Morgan at February 24, 2014 06:38 PM (8lmkt)

5 Yo

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 06:39 PM (HVff2)

6 Bugger off Piers

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 06:39 PM (HVff2)

7 Good evening, friends in the box. I fetched the others...

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 06:40 PM (aqmEj)

8 I own a Glock, wouldn't name my kid after it though.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 06:40 PM (Aif/5)

9 Yeh I'm here.

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 06:40 PM (WPm3x)

10 Thank doG: another thirty seconds and I was actually going to click on the Closing Time link... g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 06:40 PM (JMmQ9)

11 Thank you Maet!!!

Posted by: lindafell at February 24, 2014 06:40 PM (PGO8C)

12 The best thing that ever happened to Piers Morgan was Alec Baldwin losing his shit in an extremely forceful and epically ridiculous and embarrassing way.  Srsly, what is wrong with that guy?!?

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 06:41 PM (8lmkt)

13 Proud to say I'm still not gay.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2014 06:42 PM (JdEZJ)

14 In a sane and just world, right-leaning people would win over the leftist movement.

I am starting to doubt that we live in that world.

Posted by: Iasonas at February 24, 2014 06:42 PM (FHNkr)

15 The gay rights movement has long been taken over by the larger left-wing fascist movement.  "Gay rights" has become a way to attack society, often with the goal of undermining any social order.  The result is chaos that can only be solved by more government intervention in our lives.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 06:43 PM (lr3d7)

16 Peaches, Piers or Alec? Either way the answer is that they are both about two bricks short of a load!

Posted by: Old Dog at February 24, 2014 06:43 PM (tQYJH)

17 I don't get work done, not because of FB. But being a moron here

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 06:43 PM (HVff2)

18 In news of how badly Obama has fucked up Bush's victory in Iraq: Defense News ‏@defense_news US Presses Iraq on Reports of Arms Deal with Iran http://bit.ly/MWBoG6 Expand Hey, Iraq, could you please stop illegally buy weapons from Iran? Pretty please?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 24, 2014 06:43 PM (ZPrif)

19 I own a Glock, wouldn't name my kid after it though. Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 10:40 PM (Aif/5) I'd be tempted to giva a daughter a first and middle name of "Irene Vincent"

Posted by: The Gunsmith Hat at February 24, 2014 06:43 PM (AymDN)

20 Love the Russell Ziskey pic, Maet. That caption was one of the first things I thought about today after I'd heard the news. God bless you, Harold Ramis, and thanks for all the laughs.

Posted by: Andy at February 24, 2014 06:44 PM (vGQV1)

21 #1 reason I'm not getting any work done:  AoSHQ.

Posted by: Mindy at February 24, 2014 06:45 PM (mQwL2)

22 If I don't really care one way or the other, am I still a bigot?  Do I have to actively cheerlead the cause now or can I just be tolerant like I was asked to be at the outset?  This goalpost needs more cement. 

Posted by: no good deed at February 24, 2014 06:45 PM (vBhbc)

23 The United States pressed Iraq Monday to explain media reports that it had signed a contract to buy arms from Iran, a move forbidden under a United Nations embargo. “We’ve certainly seen those reports. If true, this would raise serious concerns,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 24, 2014 06:45 PM (ZPrif)

24

How does my ass taste.... BITCHES!

Posted by: Abe Vigoda at February 24, 2014 06:46 PM (jucos)

25 I hope Piers ends up in prison for phone hacking.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 06:46 PM (F7h9f)

26 Dunno how reliable this story is, but if true, it signals that Russian escalation in the Crimea may arrive shortly. Russian Ships Arrive On Ukraine's Crimean Coast As Fears Mount Over Russian Invasion In the Region http://tinyurl.com/malerpl

Posted by: Thrawn at February 24, 2014 06:46 PM (WlWt+)

27 Which raises the question: Could Brezhnev make out publicly with another man under Putin?
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After that sloppy smooch, I sure hope not.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 06:46 PM (4Mv1T)

28 DefenseNews: A deal signed in November in which Iraq would buy $195 million in arms from Iran was reported by Reuters in Baghdad Monday. Psaki said that “any transfer of arms from Iran to a third country is in direct violation” of the UN embargo. “We are seeking clarification on this matter from the government of Iraq and to ensure that Iraqi officials understand the limits that international law places on arms trade with Iran,” she added. The contract with Iran would have been signed just after Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki visited Washington requesting American military aid in fighting al-Qaida and other Sunni extremist groups.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 24, 2014 06:46 PM (ZPrif)

29 What's up with Breschnev sucking face?

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 06:47 PM (8PJj7)

30 When did Teh Gheys co-opt pink and has anyone told the folks over at My Pink Button? http://xrl.us/bqnxmb

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at February 24, 2014 06:47 PM (EJ/Tn)

31 When do the celebrations begin for my coming out as a lover of PIV secks?  I will be waiting over here.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 24, 2014 06:48 PM (jucos)

32 "It's time that the LGBT community forms a new organization that targets homophobes, bigots, religious zealots, religious fanatics, and all other assholes who are against equality, and human and civil rights for all people. " Color me surprised. Not. Decades ago I heard preachers saying this stuff was coming. If the bible is any good as a history book, it mentions that the homos of Sodom tried to rape two angels. It also mentions that in the city of Benjamin, they tried to rape a male traveler. In both cases, the men of these towns thought this was an acceptable thing to do. I have always taken this to mean that when homos become sufficient in numbers, they will find nothing wrong with enforced participation in their acts. Why should they? If they cross one natural boundary, what is another? Or another? Or another? What boundary compels respect?

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 06:48 PM (bb5+k)

33 We don't serve your kind here.

Posted by: Jan Brewer at February 24, 2014 06:49 PM (6bMeY)

34 I managed to snag a mortgage while also holding a rather high grad school related loan. The grad school loan was just stupid planning on my part, and the ridiculous thing is I will likely be paying long after my mortgage is paid off.

Posted by: Moo Moo's Logic at February 24, 2014 06:49 PM (ZNIRz)

35 You think I care about Iraq? Just make sure my Wagyu is medium rare prole.

Posted by: Barry S. at February 24, 2014 06:49 PM (Aif/5)

36 Lets see.... only 1% or 2% of the population is Gay. Of any group, there is a small percentage of militant members.. Sooo.... lets be generous and say 1/4 of Gays are militant (which is an extremely high absurd number)... Soooo.... like .5% of the Population.... is going to go after a growing percentage of Hetero people who are tired of their shit? I really do not care what gays do to each other... I am just very very tired of having it shoved in may face every time I open a Newspaper, or browse news on the Net.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 06:49 PM (84gbM)

37 First they came for the wedding cake bakers and I said nothing...

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 06:50 PM (sOtz/)

38 I received this tweet from Nancy Pelosi today: Nancy Pelosi ‏@NancyPelosi 8h Uganda's law is a breathtaking act of injustice & cruelty. No person should live in dread of discovery simply because of who they love #lgbt So I checked her timeline all the way back through November. She hasn't once mentioned Ukraine, Kiev, or revolution. She mentioned Venezuela and protest once, in the same tweet. She has, however, tweeted three times about the new Ugandan laws against LGBTs. Has she tweeted about any of the other human rights abuses in Uganda? No.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 06:50 PM (DmNpO)

39 I am sure the NRA is quaking.

Posted by: blaster at February 24, 2014 06:50 PM (4+AaH)

40 "Luckily for me I've managed to avoid the whole book of face thing thus far which has allowed me to procrastinate and slack off in slightly more elevated ways."

I'm sure that I unproductively waste just as much time in other parts of the Internet as I would if I were on Farcebook. But I have the huge satisfaction of knowing that, by staying clear of FB, I'm not helping pour money into liberal coffers.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 06:50 PM (gqT4g)

41 Angel Rape? That sounds like it'd be harder than traditional rape.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 06:50 PM (8PJj7)

42 What boundary compels respect?
Posted by: D-Lamp
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A .45, a .380 and a knife.

It's nice to have lots of personal real estate to hide stuff for the coming storm.

I wouldn't want to turn into a pillar of salt.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 06:50 PM (4Mv1T)

43 Don't know why this hasn't been mentioned yet but I thought yall might like to know: 200 year old douche found Under New York's City Hall. I'm not making it up. Its on the nbcnews web site.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (JdEZJ)

44 Now that radical homosexuality is being shoved in our face, when will it be accepted to be a pedophile? Oh shit , I sound like Phil Robertson

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (HVff2)

45 Howdy, y'all!

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (T1005)

46 Repost Because I can't let this go: http://tinyurl.com/k9hjlnv Be nice if a major news organization or even a blog covered this. "Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, a close Obama adviser and the White House’s former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites, as well as other activist groups." Turns out the National security apparatus is doing just that. Cass, recently quite by coincidence, was on Obama's NSA review board. He said, "Nothing here, move along."

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (F7h9f)

47 I don't know if we fall in the "working poor" category or not. I mean, we just did the taxes, and made $39,500 for the year. Hubbymayhem is a truck driver, I am the stay at home take care of everything else. I was a babysitter until 3 hrs ago when the parental unit of the youngsters told me my services were not longer required. So I lost my paying job and my finances are in some disarray. Does this make our family "working poor" category?

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (WPm3x)

48 And Charlize Theron sits in her ivory tower and calls on us to dance for justice Charlize Theron ‏@CharlizeAfrica Feb 14 Today we call on women & men everywhere to RISE, RELEASE, DANCE, and demand JUSTICE! #1billionrising #rise4justice http://thndr.it/1ehOBTS

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (DmNpO)

49 15 The gay rights movement has long been taken over by the larger left-wing fascist movement. "Gay rights" has become a way to attack society, often with the goal of undermining any social order. The result is chaos that can only be solved by more government intervention in our lives. Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 10:43 PM (lr3d7) Yeah, well i'm thinking that our past historical descriptions of a solution entailed destroying three cities (Sodom, Gomorrah, Benjamin) and killing every living thing that draweth breath. But I might be a bit of a pessimist.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 06:51 PM (bb5+k)

50 When LGBT all got lumped together as one Democratic voting block it should have been obvious to the member groups that they were getting played.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at February 24, 2014 06:52 PM (A1Dcl)

51 32 They are emboldened and no longer feel that there are any boundaries. They'll push this shit until they hit a wall. Sadly, I don't see this happening anytime soon. As someone mentioned upthread, they asked for acceptance. Done. I don't care. After that, came embrace the lifestyle, then endorse it, then celebrate it, then actively promote it. That's when it went too far to me.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 06:53 PM (ojnk6)

52

I don't do the twitter thing, but the idea of everybody kicking piers morgan when he's down is hilarious.

 

Yeah, the NRA is quaking in their boots over that threat, man.

Posted by: Lea at February 24, 2014 06:53 PM (/bd0t)

53 I have $17.89 on me right now. I'll gladly pay that sum for 3 oz. of beef jerky delivered to my door. In the next 15 minutes. This is like a 5 to 1 arbitrage opportunity, people. I have $17.89 in cash money looking for some product that trades at one fifth of the current offer... The clock is ticking, and as of now, we are keeping score.

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 06:54 PM (JMmQ9)

54 Happy Birfday Iowahawk.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 24, 2014 06:54 PM (jucos)

55 Angel Rape? That sounds like it'd be harder than traditional rape. Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 10:50 PM (8PJj7) But is it "rape-rape"?

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at February 24, 2014 06:54 PM (AymDN)

56 >>>Peaches, Piers or Alec?

>>>Either way the answer is that they are both about two bricks short of a load!

A poll! OK, I vote Peaches.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2014 06:54 PM (IN7k+)

57 I don't do the twitter thing, but the idea of everybody kicking piers morgan when he's down is hilarious. Yeah, the NRA is quaking in their boots over that threat, man. *** ICYMI earlier, Stu Varney could barely contain himself http://t.co/Om4vlhd3ve

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 06:54 PM (DmNpO)

58 200 year old douche found Under New York's City Hall. I'm not making it up. Its on the nbcnews web site. I wondered where I left that thing.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at February 24, 2014 06:55 PM (l3vZN)

59 I am watching the buffy the vampire slayer episode with robot John ritter. He was great as a bad guy. He had creepy down pat.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at February 24, 2014 06:55 PM (RZ8pf)

60 This is like a 5 to 1 arbitrage opportunity, people. I have $17.89 in cash money looking for some product that trades at one fifth of the current offer...

The clock is ticking, and as of now, we are keeping score. Posted by: AltonJackson
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You're that guy on armslist aren't you.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 06:55 PM (4Mv1T)

61 Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 10:54 PM (JMmQ9) Krave makes a good Jerky.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 06:55 PM (8PJj7)

62 Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at February 24, 2014 10:52 PM (A1Dcl) I still find it amusing, and enlightening, that the bastion of Liberal thought, Facebook, now has 50 different Genders you can self identify as... Heterosexual, Man, and Woman... are not on the list.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 06:55 PM (84gbM)

63 We are up to about #40 in Breaking Bad, and that poor Jesse is sure getting whipsawed. A mighty fine drama, it. Heart of Darkness, updated.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at February 24, 2014 06:56 PM (tmFlQ)

64 54 Happy Birfday Iowahawk.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 24, 2014 10:54 PM (jucos)


OMG, it's the Snark Overlord's birfday?  I was gonna quit drinking but that's no longer an option.  I heart Iowahawk, so hard.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 06:56 PM (8lmkt)

65 So with regard to the Pink Mafia piece:

It's not only the LGBT-OMG-WTF crowd who are intent on identifying and then viciously attacking anyone they deem an enemy.

It's also the public sector unions, the private sector unions, the illegal alien lobby, the race hustlers, the feministas -- every single bloc within the professional left have adopted the Alinskyite creed of visiting personal destruction upon their critics.

When people on the right such as ace and zombie decide that they need to be cagey about their real world identities and locations for just that reason, ***please*** respect that choice.

I cringed the other day when someone replied to a comment by zombie saying "Hey, I think I just figured out who you are!"

No. Don't go anywhere near that "I'm clever" shit. Sooner or later it will snowball and someone will have their protective veil of anonymity rent as a result. We need to keep our thoughts to ourselves at times, on behalf of others who may be at risk if we voice them.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 06:56 PM (gqT4g)

66 I would seriously pay money to see Chloe Nelson go after Louis Farrakhan.

Posted by: Armando at February 24, 2014 06:57 PM (vgH+s)

67 I don't understand the sidebar link about the Asimov story. The link text says "RD Sends this Old Isaac Asimov Story About the Big Question (Bigger Than the One About Entropy)" The linked story is "The Last Question", which in my mind is "the one about entropy". The question from the story is: "How can entropy be reversed?" So, was another story intended for the link? Or is there another Asimov story that is "the one about entropy"? Inquiring minds want to know. (I want to know!)

Posted by: mr_jack at February 24, 2014 06:57 PM (TMG3G)

68 Piers getting buggered in prison. Oh please, oh please, oh please.

Posted by: mpfs at February 24, 2014 06:57 PM (6y1fO)

69 They are remaking Point Break with Gerard Butler playing Bodhi.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 06:57 PM (DmNpO)

70 54 Happy Birfday Iowahawk.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at February 24, 2014 10:54 PM (jucos)


Is he here?  'Cause I would totally put my bra back on.  Maybe even some pants . . .  keep me posted, eh?

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 06:57 PM (8lmkt)

71
I always thought it would be Clemenza.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 24, 2014 06:57 PM (n0DEs)

72 I hope the members of the LGBT groups take that woman's advice to heart - if they are spending all of their time taking pictures, they won't have time for anything else.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 24, 2014 06:58 PM (PZ6/M)

73 57 I don't do the twitter thing, but the idea of everybody kicking piers morgan when he's down is hilarious. Yeah, the NRA is quaking in their boots over that threat, man. *** ICYMI earlier, Stu Varney could barely contain himself http://t.co/Om4vlhd3ve --------------- *Lights Cigarette, fans himself.

Posted by: Adam at February 24, 2014 06:58 PM (Aif/5)

74

"If I don't really care one way or the other, am I still a bigot? Do I have to actively cheerlead the cause now or can I just be tolerant like I was asked to be at the outset? This goalpost needs more cement."

 

I've been thinking more and more lately about the occasional threads here opining that sooner or later, everything not prohibited will be mandatory.

 

It would appear, at least by the methodology of the activists in my neck of the woods (a couple who touts themselves as "gay men, together more than 25 years", without mentioning that until about 5 years ago, they were a heterosexual couple, who moved to our state and county when the transition began.  Personally, I don't understand why they don't just tell their story and keep on activistin'--I find it much more compelling that their commitment to one another as people and partners goes beyond gender) that YES, one is a bigot if one does not cheerlead.  In exactly the proper words.  When told.  Or else.

Posted by: barbarausa at February 24, 2014 06:59 PM (WWeoI)

75 The Gaystapo is also going after Leftist fellow-traveller, Stephen Colbert, just like they did after Piers Morgan. Thought crime report linked in my sock.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 06:59 PM (Eiwo7)

76 Wall Street Journal ‏@WSJ 1m "We reject the notion that somebody can be homosexual by choice." Uganda's antigay bill signed into law: http://on.wsj.com/MoaIgA

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 06:59 PM (DmNpO)

77 It's the usual stages with the left Tolerance first Then acceptance then approval Finally celebration When same sex marriages reach the final stage they'll start again with pedophilia

Posted by: mccool at February 24, 2014 06:59 PM (xQinu)

78 Higher Education or a House: Can Young Americans Have Both? This is extremely disturbing, because buying a house has traditionally been the hallmark of entrance into the middle class. If young people are unable to own property, that will alienate them from the traditional American Dream. If they come to believe that they can never achieve it, it will make them more susceptible to the siren song of socialism and redistribution of wealth. It goes without saying that this is a feature, not a bug, to the Obamunists.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2014 07:00 PM (sdi6R)

79 They are emboldened and no longer feel that there are any boundaries. They'll push this shit until they hit a wall. Sadly, I don't see this happening anytime soon. As someone mentioned upthread, they asked for acceptance. Done. I don't care. After that, came embrace the lifestyle, then endorse it, then celebrate it, then actively promote it. That's when it went too far to me. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 10:53 PM (ojnk6) I've never understood why anyone thought this movement would ever stop at some subjective boundary. I'm not religious, but I regard the bible as a pretty good history book, and our prior examples of gay conduct therin seems to be that they will try to rape male strangers. It makes sense to me. How can they be sure you've actually accepted them until you actually "accept" them?

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:00 PM (bb5+k)

80 @47 madamemayhem You qualify for a subsidy under the ACA I believe. Not enough to help, just to get you used to taking federal assistance. Kaiser Foundation among many others have subsidy calculators.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 07:00 PM (sOtz/)

81 The Brownshirts played for the Pink Team.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 24, 2014 07:01 PM (6bMeY)

82 So does the Angry Old Lesbian say
 
Get off my linoleum
 
?

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 24, 2014 07:01 PM (wNF3N)

83 I'm sorry (not really), but I am 100% cool with the GL part of this equation.  Have had homosexual friends for longer than most of the horde has been on this earth.  But bi?  No, I subscribe to the notion that there's gay, straight and greedy.  So, no.  And trannies?  They need to know that you can't fix what's wrong on the inside by slicin' and dicin' what's on the outside.  That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 07:02 PM (8lmkt)

84 41 Angel Rape? That sounds like it'd be harder than traditional rape. Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 10:50 PM (8PJj7) Turned out to be not dooable. Whoda thunk?

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:02 PM (bb5+k)

85 When same sex marriages reach the final stage
they'll start again with pedophilia   Posted by: mccool
-----------------------------

It won't get that far.

Remember Sodom and Gomorrah?

We have a merciful God in heaven, but patience has its limits.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:02 PM (4Mv1T)

86 The bath house culture in major cities, where young Gays have unprotected random sex with as many as 600+ partners a year, often using meth and other drugs, has been shown to be directly responsible for epidemics of disease throughout the Gay community. Are Gays going to be charged higher ObamaCare premiums for their reckless behavior? Is the WH going to develop a 'No Bath House" health campaign? Is Barry going to talk about his Chicago homosexual experiences in his latest autobiography? Does anyone care? I don't.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 07:02 PM (F7h9f)

87 If I have another kid I'm naming him GAU-8.

Posted by: The Hickster at February 24, 2014 07:03 PM (TI3xG)

88 200 year old douche found Under New York's City Hall. I'm not making it up. Its on the nbcnews web site. I wondered where I left that thing. Posted by: Helen Thomas at February 24, 2014 10:55 PM (l3vZN) That story must be a mistake. Obviously there is more than one.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:03 PM (bb5+k)

89 77 It's the usual stages with the left
Tolerance first
Then acceptance
then approval
Finally celebration
When same sex marriages reach the final stage
they'll start again with pedophilia
Posted by: mccool at February 24, 2014 10:59 PM (xQinu)

Don't forget the final step - the persecution of non-celebration.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 24, 2014 07:03 PM (pAlYe)

90 Decades ago I heard preachers saying this stuff was coming. If the bible is any good as a history book, it mentions that the homos of Sodom tried to rape two angels. It also mentions that in the city of Benjamin, they tried to rape a male traveler. === The latter couldn't have been so bad, or we would have had laws against benjaminy.

Posted by: whoever at February 24, 2014 07:04 PM (kGSN0)

91 88 If it can speak with a British accent it will soon have a show on CNN.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (6bMeY)

92
   All done with acceptance of gays.

   Finally got pushed too far.

    Next asshole gets in my face about gay ANYTHING can use the recovery time to ponder the wisdom of that act.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (SAMxH)

93

"Don't forget the final step - the persecution of non-celebration."

 

Yep--there's prohibited, and mandatory.

Posted by: barbarausa at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (WWeoI)

94 The bath house culture in major cities, where young Gays have unprotected random sex with as many as 600+ partners a year...


Amateurs.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (2DunM)

95 79 Acceptance is not the problem for me. As I said, done. Don't care what you do in your own life. Not my concern. The problem comes when it is shoved in my face and I'm told I not only have to accept it, but to get to the point of celebrating it. Never gonna happen. I understand your point about acceptance crossing the line. I'm one of the leave me alone guys. I'll return the favor. I won't ask you to celebrate, my Hetero status in return.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (ojnk6)

96 Now that radical homosexuality is being shoved in our face, when will it be accepted to be a pedophile?

Oh shit , I sound like Phil Robertson

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 10:51 PM (HVff2)



It's already happening.  Kaitlyn Hunt, numerous teachers, etc.  A homosexual relationship with a teenager is now seen by many as perfectly acceptable.

Next will be the push for polygamy.  The goal will be to convince people that we no only should tolerate it, but that we should extend government recognition to polygamous relationships. It will actually be easier than homosexuality.  They'll find some attractive thirty-something couple with a few kids who have a shared "girlfriend", Jan the yoga instructor.  They'll make the argument about how awful it is that Jan isn't treated as part of the family.  Perhaps she'll have a child from a previous marriage, in which case we'll hear endlessly about how the children get along so well and see each other as brother/sister.  The media will run puff pieces on how normal thee family supposedly is.  How being in a polygamous family was such a wonderful blessing during some difficult time (unemployment, illness, etc).  Then they'll talk about how one member of the trio was denied recognition at an important time: prevented from picking the kids up from school, or denied access to medical information.  It wouldn't surprise me if the WH invites such a couple as guests of the President and First lady during some LGBT dinner.

A lot of men will fall for it, either because they want to be seen as tolerant, or because they think it'll be some fantasy world of constant threesomes.  A lot of women will support it because they've been told by feminists for the past 50 years that lesbianism is the height of feminism, and this allows them to still have the husband and children that they want. 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (lr3d7)

97 We have a merciful God in heaven, but patience has its limits. Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 11:02 PM (4Mv1T) Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw, "Jesus is coming & He is pissed"

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 07:05 PM (HVff2)

98 Don't forget the final step - persecution of non-celebration.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 24, 2014 11:03 PM (pAlYe)


Yeah, well, you wanna parade down the street with a studded dog collar on your neck and some freak holding the leash and your ass cheeks hanging out, broad daylight, with kids around?  You just lost me . . .

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 07:06 PM (8lmkt)

99 Oh, the Pink shirts are out in force. If you point out any inconsistincies in any ghey hero's story, you get labeled a "bigot". Last year an acquatiance in Facebook had a story about a teen girl being arrested for gammahooching her teenage girlfriend because "her parents were bigots". The story made it sound like the younger girl was 15 going on 30, and the older one was 18 going on 12. Turns out, the older girl was not only 18, she had just turned 19, and the younger? She was 15, but had just turned 15. When all this happened, it was an 18 year old with a 14 year old. Most mommies and daddies don't like that at all.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 07:06 PM (HxSXm)

100 It makes sense to me. How can they be sure you've actually accepted them until you actually "accept" them? Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 11:00 PM (bb5+k) They see "hetero-normativity" as inherently "false" and "oppressive" because they believe that straight people maintain an unjust privilege by oppressing everyone else. Thus, the only way to free people from "false" and "oppressive" "hetero-normativity" is by destroying that "hetero-normativity." Since "hetero-normative" people are inherently "false" and "oppressive," they will always be the "oppressors" that must be opposed, and those same "hetero-normative" people can only shrive themselves of their sin by actively helping to destroy "hetero-normativity." Further, since "hetero-normativity" is defined as "oppressive," it follows in their logic that opposing that "hetero-normativity" is be definition being against "oppression," even if is totalitarian, authoritarian, &c.

Posted by: The Heteronormative Hat at February 24, 2014 07:07 PM (AymDN)

101 Did you hear about Lot's wife?
She was a salted.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 07:07 PM (Eiwo7)

102 My wife and are the proud new parents of twins: longbow and crossbow.

Posted by: Michael the Hobbit but you must call me Chelsea at February 24, 2014 07:08 PM (7cS5n)

103 Ok Piers.  I brought it.  How does it feel?

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at February 24, 2014 07:08 PM (Q6pxP)

104 Alvin Holmes on Hannity. If you replace "Uncle Tom" with something like "race traitor" his philosophy is indistinguishable from the KKK. I am not twisting his words, just trying to replace "Uncle Tom" with a comparable term for white racists. He said black people must only vote in the interests of black people or they are "Uncle Toms."

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 07:09 PM (sOtz/)

105 A poll! OK, I vote Peaches.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2014 10:54 PM (IN7k+)


Anon Y. Mous are you just trying to start a fight?


If so, I would commend you to the old story about whay you never pick a fight with an Old Man!


Posted by: Old Dog at February 24, 2014 07:09 PM (tQYJH)

106 In both cases, the men of these towns thought this was an acceptable thing to do. I have always taken this to mean that when homos become sufficient in numbers, they will find nothing wrong with enforced participation in their acts.

We have no idea why groups of people would think they could impose their will on others once a minimum threshhold has been achieved.

Posted by: Muslims, everywhere at February 24, 2014 07:09 PM (hO9ad)

107 I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as soon as I could.

Posted by: phreshone at February 24, 2014 07:09 PM (Q6pxP)

108 I have an announcement to make: As of today, I am going on a hate binge. If I do not love something to the point that I cannot live without it......... fuck it, I hate it. So far, this year sucks goat balls. Frozen water pipes, roof cratering, Mom-in-law passed away, new insurance that probably sucks, girl spawn needing a gazillion dollars of dental work, and now I lost my babysitting job. I hate winter, I hate snow, I hate cold, I hate taxes, I hate liberals, I hate this stupid fucking herd of Marxist bastards in DC, I hate Howard Johnson's hotel in Columbus GA, and I FUCKING HATE BEING TOLD I NO LONGER HAVE A JOB.

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 07:11 PM (WPm3x)

109 81 The Brownshirts played for the Pink Team. Posted by: Boss Moss at February 24, 2014 11:01 PM (6bMeY) And this is something I have come to understand much better in the last two years. Apparently the Nazis weren't "Anti-Gay", they were anti-effeminate-gay. There's a book out called "the Pink Swastika" that purports to explain just how "gay" the Nazis really were. Apparently quite. http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:11 PM (bb5+k)

110 Angel Rape?

That sounds like it'd be harder than traditional rape.

Let's just say the plans of men don't always work out.

Posted by: Lucifer's Barbed Cock at February 24, 2014 07:11 PM (hO9ad)

111 Evidently, it's possible to overdo the AoS Lifestyle: http://tinyurl.com/omcorn8

Posted by: RS at February 24, 2014 07:11 PM (YAGV/)

112 38 I received this tweet from Nancy Pelosi today: Nancy Pelosi ‏@NancyPelosi 8h Uganda's law is a breathtaking act of injustice & cruelty. No person should live in dread of discovery simply because of who they love #lgbt So I checked her timeline all the way back through November. She hasn't once mentioned Ukraine, Kiev, or revolution. She mentioned Venezuela and protest once, in the same tweet. She has, however, tweeted three times about the new Ugandan laws against LGBTs. Has she tweeted about any of the other human rights abuses in Uganda? No. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 10:50 PM (DmNpO) Ghey is the new black.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 07:12 PM (HxSXm)

113 Yeah, well, you wanna parade down the street with a studded dog collar on your neck and some freak holding the leash and your ass cheeks hanging out, broad daylight, with kids around? You just lost me . . .

I've though for a while that while some people are born homosexual, there are a significant number who are drawn to it because it allows them to hide/ignore mental illness.  Instead their behavior is applauded.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 07:12 PM (lr3d7)

114

Great ONT, Mætenloch. ...Some really excellent content.

 

'We're not worthy...we're not worthy!'

Posted by: wheatie at February 24, 2014 07:12 PM (DEUoo)

115 Never forget . . . the Greeks invented sex, but the Italians introduced it to women.


Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (8lmkt)

116 15 The gay rights movement has long been taken over by the larger left-wing fascist movement. "Gay rights" has become a way to attack society, often with the goal of undermining any social order. The result is chaos that can only be solved by more government intervention in our lives.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 10:43 PM (lr3d7)

 

And just think when CPAC comes around, will be subjected to multiple posts about their refusal to allow one of those fascist groups a "voice."

Posted by: buzzion at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (LI48c)

117 Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 11:11
---------------------------------

* pours self a very short little scotch...

and slides the entire half gallon down to madamemayhem*

Bottoms up!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (4Mv1T)

118 Question for "gay marriage" promoters:

Should bisexuals be allowed to marry two people -- one of each gender?  If not, their love is being denied.

Posted by: Mindy at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (mQwL2)

119 Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw, "Jesus is coming & He is pissed" Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 11:05 PM (HVff2) ____________ I still laugh at an old one - I'm sure it's blasphemous, though. "Jesus is Coming. Look Busy."

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (GkLNv)

120 Yeah, well i'm thinking that our past historical descriptions of a solution entailed destroying three cities (Sodom, Gomorrah, Benjamin) and killing every living thing that draweth breath.

But I might be a bit of a pessimist.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 10:51 PM (bb5+k)


I have some ideas about that.

Posted by: zombie general Macarthur at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (hO9ad)

121 We demand an apology from Slate for insulting rubbish throughout the universe...

Posted by: Rubbish at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (Q6pxP)

122 "Uganda's antigay bill signed into law"

In a piece at the _Daily Telegraph_ today, someone dared to publicly suggest that the hectoring gay activist pressure on African governments has massively and tragically backfired.

Ya think?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 07:13 PM (gqT4g)

123 >>>Anon Y. Mous are you just trying to start a fight?
If so, I would commend you to the old story about whay you never pick a fight with an Old Man!

Who me? Never! *attempts innocent expression*

What story?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 24, 2014 07:14 PM (IN7k+)

124 I love you TR!!!

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 07:14 PM (WPm3x)

125 @96 Colorado Alex Mosque wives are already here. One official wife per the state, but up to three more at the mosque.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 07:14 PM (sOtz/)

126 Next will be the push for polygamy. Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 11:05 PM (lr3d7) In California, a child may not legally have more than one parent: http://tinyurl.com/k8vnlod Let us also not forget that polygamy (in a non-state marriage license way) is legal: http://tinyurl.com/n897vr3 This is how gay marriage got started. It was legal to practice, but you didn't get state recognition. As soon as you see a push for a domestic partnership you know it is game over.

Posted by: The Heteronormative Hat at February 24, 2014 07:14 PM (AymDN)

127 The first LGBT office or whatever they call it opened here in NEPA. It's going over real big here. /sarc It's all Skittles shitting unicorns and rainbows now. I really don't give a shit what you do as long as it doesn't involve children or animals. Just don't expect me to cheer you on. I have rights too in case you forgot. If they truly had guts they would open a branch in a Muslim neighborhood. Let's see how tolerant that population is of your lifestyle.

Posted by: mpfs at February 24, 2014 07:15 PM (6y1fO)

128 The latter couldn't have been so bad, or we would have had laws against benjaminy. Posted by: whoever at February 24, 2014 11:04 PM (kGSN0) If you aren't familiar with the story, the male traveler didn't get raped, But his concubine was raped to death in his place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibeah

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:15 PM (bb5+k)

129 OT -- House GOP announce their tax reform bill House GOP tax plan would cut top rates but also hit high earners with a surtax -- from Wapo tonight "the tax system would be dramatically simpler, with seven existing brackets collapsed into just two, set at 10 percent and 25 percent. In addition, the plan would impose a 10 percent surtax on certain types of earned income over roughly $450,000 a year. The surtax would hit many salaried professionals, such as attorneys and accountants, while dodging farmers and manufacturers — as well as the super-rich, whose income often is derived primarily from interest and investments."

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 24, 2014 07:15 PM (OU1Hh)

130 This is kinda cool -- various nations' military MREs contents
 
http://tinyurl.com/n4qdery (Daily Mail)
 
I've had the chance to eat most of the US MREs, a kind gift from the gubmint after Katrina; actually the kids ate most of them. I should have sold them on eBay like my neighbors did.
 
The French MREs sound like they might be decent.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 24, 2014 07:15 PM (wNF3N)

131 Beagle,

The goal is to push it into the legal sphere.  They don't want it unofficial, they want everyone to be forced to recognize it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 07:15 PM (lr3d7)

132 It's amazing that if you were an advocate for civil unions 10 years ago and are still one today then you went from loving to hating gays while standing still. That's precisely where I ...... was. Fuck them.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC The 80's Version at February 24, 2014 07:15 PM (nDXje)

133 WWE Network launched today. Hulk Hogan returned. Opened Raw. Undertaker returned. Closed Raw.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 24, 2014 07:16 PM (ZPrif)

134 I love you TR!!! Posted by: madamemayhem
-----------------------------------

Aww shucks.

'taint nothin, m'am. Happy to oblige.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:16 PM (4Mv1T)

135 Harold Ramis has left the building? Damn.

Posted by: otho at February 24, 2014 07:16 PM (9gNQd)

136 In addition, the plan would impose a 10 percent surtax on certain types of earned income over roughly $450,000 a year

whew, cruised that one!!!  by a lot . . . 

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 07:16 PM (8lmkt)

137 In a piece at the _Daily Telegraph_ today, someone dared to publicly suggest that the hectoring gay activist pressure on African governments has massively and tragically backfired. Ya think? *** Well, uh, yeah. That's exactly what they say brought it on. Check the link at comment #76

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 07:17 PM (DmNpO)

138 Just in case this was not posted somewhere else here: Your husband doesnÂ’t have to earn your respect http://tinyurl.com/kz3hqj5

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 07:18 PM (TGgNi)

139 Killer Gays. Smoochin' Commies. Piers Morgan slapfest. Poverty rising. Kids named Trigger and Shoulder Thingy That Goes Up. Thanks for the big heap of Doom, Monty! Isn't that usually reserved for Monday morning??

Posted by: mindful webworker lurking in the shadows mwah ha haah at February 24, 2014 07:18 PM (U13jb)

140 I hate this marriage crap too. Don't get me wrong.... I love my husband. This man is truly my happy place. But the fucking gov't should stay the fuck out of marriage. It is a religious contract, not a legal contract. Marriage is between man, woman, and God. The fucking dipshit gov't should stay the fuck out of ALL marriage.

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 07:18 PM (WPm3x)

141 "I'm one of the leave me alone guys. I'll return the favor."

Right there you have a central principle of civilization in twelve words.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 07:18 PM (gqT4g)

142 Are Gays going to be charged higher ObamaCare premiums for their reckless behavior? Is the WH going to develop a 'No Bath House" health campaign? Is Barry going to talk about his Chicago homosexual experiences in his latest autobiography? Does anyone care? I don't. Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 11:02 PM (F7h9f) I have read more than one article which claimed that the "gay" community is the repository of most of the sexually transmitted diseases in a nation. They apparently are keeping most of the diseases alive in between times the diseases sneak over into the regular population. Not hard to understand why if they are having unprotected intercourse with about 10 strangers on a busy night.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:18 PM (bb5+k)

143 Come and knock our door, we've been waiting for you! Where the kisses are hers and hers--and hid among the Mosque company too!

Posted by: Don al'Knotts at February 24, 2014 07:19 PM (FbMva)

144 Anon Y. Mous. Kid was sitting in an old western bar and feeling his youthful oats when he made a comment about beating the shit out of some old man in town. Bartender looks at him and says, kid let me give you some advice. Never pick a fight with an old man. He has no desire to fight you over Honor and he is damn sure too battle worn to fight you for fun! He will just shoot you dead!

Posted by: Old Dog at February 24, 2014 07:19 PM (tQYJH)

145 Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 11:11 PM (WPm3x)
 
If hate can keep you warm, you should be quite toasty tonight.
 
Sorry to hear of your travails.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 24, 2014 07:19 PM (wNF3N)

146 132 That's where I'm at now USMC. I used to not care. The shoving it in my face made me care, and not in a good way. They can now go straight to hell. Period. Full stop.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 07:19 PM (ojnk6)

147 75 The Gaystapo is also going after Leftist fellow-traveller, Stephen Colbert, just like they did after Piers Morgan. Thought crime report linked in my sock. Posted by: andycanuck at February 24, 2014 10:59 PM (Eiwo7) Went to college with the jackass. He was smarmy as shit then as he is now.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 07:20 PM (HxSXm)

148 Madame you are on a roll. Let it all out.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2014 07:20 PM (JdEZJ)

149 I hate this marriage crap too. Don't get me wrong.... I love my husband. This man is truly my happy place. But the fucking gov't should stay the fuck out of marriage. It is a religious contract, not a legal contract. Marriage is between man, woman, and God. The fucking dipshit gov't should stay the fuck out of ALL marriage. Posted by: madamemayhem
-----------------------------------

Dayum.

What SHE said.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:20 PM (4Mv1T)

150 And this is something I have come to understand much better in the last two years. Apparently the Nazis weren't "Anti-Gay", they were anti-effeminate-gay. There's a book out called "the Pink Swastika" that purports to explain just how "gay" the Nazis really were. Apparently quite. http://www.thepinkswastika.com/5294/index.html Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 11:11 PM (bb5+k) Why, hello there!

Posted by: Ernst Röhm at February 24, 2014 07:20 PM (AymDN)

151 A peaceful and prosperous society can tolerate a certain amount of deviant behavior among its citizens. A collapsing society won't.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2014 07:20 PM (sdi6R)

152 I'm sure US and EU will condition aid to broke-ass African countries on repealing anti-gay laws.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 24, 2014 07:20 PM (ZPrif)

153 All this opposition to gay marriage here is probably really pissing off that idiot sexypig.  He apparently believes that this place was once some hot bed of super pro gay marriage support.

Posted by: buzzion at February 24, 2014 07:21 PM (LI48c)

154 In a piece at the _Daily Telegraph_ today, someone dared to publicly suggest that the hectoring gay activist pressure on African governments has massively and tragically backfired. On top of that, there was a nasty incident in the late 19th century when a Ugandan king burned a bunch of young Christian men to death in part because of their refusal to have sex with him, so in Ugandan culture homosexuality carries with it the implication of treason or something of that nature. It is not just a sex thing for them.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 24, 2014 07:21 PM (lrwP4)

155 Now I have a reputation for being an old grump but I have been waiting for ages to use that old shaggy dog!

Posted by: Old Dog at February 24, 2014 07:22 PM (tQYJH)

156 Good evening, and wercome to the Chicago Tokyo Hoter. No extla chalge fol freas. Arr freas ale flee! autoselfdenounce

Posted by: mindful making squinty eyes and overbite, but in a totally non-ethnicist way at February 24, 2014 07:22 PM (U13jb)

157 I always thought that pic of Ziskey with the MAC10 on the Guts magazine was hysterical. I laugh every time I see that.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 24, 2014 07:22 PM (FMbng)

158 Since "hetero-normative" people are inherently "false" and "oppressive," they will always be the "oppressors" that must be opposed, and those same "hetero-normative" people can only shrive themselves of their sin by actively helping to destroy "hetero-normativity." Posted by: The Heteronormative Hat at February 24, 2014 11:07 PM (AymDN) I extrapolate to the conclusion. Participation is mandatory unless you are a "bigot." If you are a "bigot", then participation is especially mandatory.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:22 PM (bb5+k)

159 Homo-fascist, green fascist, CNN fascist, what difference does it matter at this point what sort of fascist?!?! All fascists need to be beaten to pulp, shot, and strung up by their heels from a lamppost.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at February 24, 2014 07:23 PM (hpgw1)

160 OK, I'm out-ish I have a pre-question for tomorrow night's ONT: grout cleaner. I've had my fill with the "green" grout cleaners, and having worn half a dozen toothbrushes down to the nubs; I want the nuclear option. At this point, I don't care about toxicity. I'm charged with cleaning the grout; and cleaning the grout I will. Tomorrow night, your thoughts, Horde. Please? We'll have words tomorrow night. Thx, Horde

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 07:23 PM (JMmQ9)

161 141 Thanks, but as Erick Erickson states, "You will be made to care!". He often gets kinda squishy, but he's right about this. We are being made to care, and not in a good way. IMO, It's to induce societal strife, for the betterment of society, in the eyes and mind of those who desire this sort of thing.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 07:24 PM (ojnk6)

162 Hate to leave the party, but.....good nite horde, be well

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 07:24 PM (HVff2)

163 Apparently quite.

Hitler was gay.  Eva was just a beard for the cameras.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 24, 2014 07:24 PM (n0DEs)

164 Peter Gunn


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2014 07:25 PM (kVfSG)

165 Hate to leave the party, but.....good nite horde, be well Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian
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Goodnight Wisconsin!!!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:25 PM (4Mv1T)

166 141 "I'm one of the leave me alone guys. I'll return the favor." Right there you have a central principle of civilization in twelve words. Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 11:18 PM (gqT4g) That is the thing, gay people enjoy the same statues as every other member of the population to start with: my utter and complete indifference. I think what we see here is far beyond looking for acceptance but rather a form of mental illness. It is as though they feel that if they manage to get everyone in the world to say that they are great, they will finally feel like they are worth something (to themselves.) We live in a very "me" obsessed time. Everyone supposedly is safe and comfortable being "who they are." However, in my experience, people who are truly comfortable with themselves do not feel the need to trumpet who they are to everyone and make sure everyone agrees with them. It is ironic that in a time that is possibly the most permissive in human history, you have more people who are arguably lacking in self worth. They have the highest opinion of themselves and what they can do, but they feel like shit about and cannot figure out why. People are strange.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 07:26 PM (TGgNi)

167 It's time that the LGBT community forms a new organization that targets homophobes, bigots, religious zealots, religious fanatics, and all other assholes who are against equality, and human and civil rights for all people. ------ Bring it the fuck on. Equality to you means sucking dick at Folsom street in view of children.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 07:26 PM (MtC8f)

168 Peter Gunn
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
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I have a great youtube vid bookmarked with that Mancini hit.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:26 PM (4Mv1T)

169 I linked this in the last thread. It deserves a repeat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnaxvBsyigM

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2014 07:27 PM (sdi6R)

170 I'm outta here too. Gonna go curl up next to hubby and get some sleep. He's sick so sleep is all I get. I hate that too.

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 07:27 PM (WPm3x)

171 I used to be pro-civil unions. Now I just want to go a day or two without the media making it seem like the latest GAY! story is more important than every other news item. Ignoring important news to chase squirrels is no way to run a country. Colorado Alex, No doubt. But to that end it helps to have de facto polygamy all over the country.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 07:27 PM (sOtz/)

172 96 Now that radical homosexuality is being shoved in our face, when will it be accepted to be a pedophile? Oh shit , I sound like Phil Robertson Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 24, 2014 10:51 PM (HVff2) It's already happening. Kaitlyn Hunt, numerous teachers, etc. A homosexual relationship with a teenager is now seen by many as perfectly acceptable. Next will be the push for polygamy. The goal will be to convince people that we no only should tolerate it, but that we should extend government recognition to polygamous relationships. It will actually be easier than homosexuality. They'll find some attractive thirty-something couple with a few kids who have a shared "girlfriend", Jan the yoga instructor. They'll make the argument about how awful it is that Jan isn't treated as part of the family. Perhaps she'll have a child from a previous marriage, in which case we'll hear endlessly about how the children get along so well and see each other as brother/sister. The media will run puff pieces on how normal thee family supposedly is. How being in a polygamous family was such a wonderful blessing during some difficult time (unemployment, illness, etc). Then they'll talk about how one member of the trio was denied recognition at an important time: prevented from picking the kids up from school, or denied access to medical information. It wouldn't surprise me if the WH invites such a couple as guests of the President and First lady during some LGBT dinner. A lot of men will fall for it, either because they want to be seen as tolerant, or because they think it'll be some fantasy world of constant threesomes. A lot of women will support it because they've been told by feminists for the past 50 years that lesbianism is the height of feminism, and this allows them to still have the husband and children that they want. Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 11:05 PM (lr3d7) What they forget to say is that the two women may be the best of buddies and girl power and all that shit, but just remember: If the yoga instructor looks hot in her yoga pants, all the husband wants to do is to be able to cut a slice whenever he wants to. Wife #1 has a headache, he goes to the yoga instructor and pours the coal to her. That's how this will work.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 07:27 PM (HxSXm)

173 Abe was great as the Chief of the Waponi's. "We are the children of children and we live as we are shown."

Posted by: The mayor of Candor at February 24, 2014 07:27 PM (H4tO5)

174 Chloe Nelson is the reason homosexuality was in the DSM 5 in the first place, and the reason why it was taken out. Ironic, no?

Posted by: Iblis at February 24, 2014 07:28 PM (NVFTu)

175 Looking at the Canadian rations, GnuBreed, I note the alcohol "handi-wipe" is the exact same as given out at fast food restaurants here. (White packet with sky blue fork and knife logo; bottom right corner.)

Addendum: the salt and pepper packs and the mint below them are standard restaurant items here too.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 07:28 PM (Eiwo7)

176 "Uganda's antigay bill signed into law" Didn't Uganda murder about as many of it's own citizens as it could a while back? Idi Amin and then lately the Lord's Resistance Army? I think I watched a child soldier story somewhere recently about that enlightened Country. The Chinese should just buy the place before they go broke. (The Chinese that is.) Seems like anti-gay stuff is all micro aggression in comparison.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 07:28 PM (NLQl0)

177 grout cleaner? flamethrower Harold Ramis was a genius. Where are all of the old SCTVs?

Posted by: mindful webworker crossing the streams at February 24, 2014 07:28 PM (U13jb)

178 A quick internet search says that homosexuals comprise 1 - 4 % of the population (varies by locality).  How is it this slim minority gets to drive the discussion?  How did the majority wind up on the shit end of the stick?

Posted by: Contrarian at February 24, 2014 07:28 PM (PXnNl)

179 The fucking dipshit gov't should stay the fuck out of ALL marriage. Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 11:18 PM (WPm3x) Nope. Totally disagree. It is in the best interest of a civil society to encourage marriage. Beyond that, you have the defacto legal issue of inheritance of property.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:28 PM (bb5+k)

180 And Spanish troops get "Peaches" in syrup for dessert. Mmm.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 07:29 PM (Eiwo7)

181 The fucking dipshit gov't should stay the fuck out of ALL marriage.

Posted by: madamemayhem
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Dayum.

What SHE said.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 11:20 PM (4Mv1T)


Yup!

Posted by: Peaches at February 24, 2014 07:29 PM (8lmkt)

182 We have a merciful God in heaven, but patience has its limits. Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 11:02 PM (4Mv1T) 55 million murdered babies in 40 years, any God with that much patience is a saint.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 24, 2014 07:29 PM (N/cFh)

183 "...gay people enjoy the same statues as every other member of the population...." -Aetius451AD Especially Michaelangelo's David.

Posted by: mindful webworker stabs at Humor at February 24, 2014 07:29 PM (U13jb)

184 The radical LGBT community has done the impossible. They have made being gay boring and annoying. Good job assholes.

Posted by: mpfs at February 24, 2014 07:30 PM (6y1fO)

185 I used to be pro-civil unions. Now I just want to go a day or two without the media making it seem like the latest GAY! story is more important than every other news item. Ignoring important news to chase squirrels is no way to run a country. **** Which, re that Pelosi tweet, is what I went off about on twitter today. It's not that Uganda's law isn't terrible. It's not that genuine discrimination isn't an awful thing. It's that, to some, it's the ONLY thing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 24, 2014 07:30 PM (DmNpO)

186 @159 That's fairly fascist anti-fascism. I would take a few institutions performing their constitutional checks and balances functions. Boehner, I'm looking at you.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 07:30 PM (sOtz/)

187 Next will be the push for polygamy Oddly, with natural birth rates running 51%-49% Fem to Male, there aren't enough surplus women to sustain Polygamy. That's why there are so many excessive males in Muslim countries willing to raid and kill to gain a girl.

Posted by: Iblis at February 24, 2014 07:30 PM (NVFTu)

188 183 "...gay people enjoy the same statues as every other member of the population...." -Aetius451AD Especially Michaelangelo's David. Posted by: mindful webworker stabs at Humor at February 24, 2014 11:29 PM (U13jb) http://tinyurl.com/knt3exj

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 24, 2014 07:31 PM (bCEmE)

189 146 132 That's where I'm at now USMC. I used to not care. The shoving it in my face made me care, and not in a good way. They can now go straight to hell. Period. Full stop. Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 11:19 PM (ojnk6) That's where they not only lost me, but turned me very against. Not happy about it, but I am nurturing a simmering hate for them. The fucking dipshit gov't should stay the fuck out of ALL marriage. Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 11:18 PM (WPm3x) Funny how that was all the activist rage, not so long ago. I wonder what happened? *smirk*

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 24, 2014 07:31 PM (nDXje)

190 168 Peter Gunn
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr.
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I have a great youtube vid bookmarked with that Mancini hit.Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 11:26 PM (4Mv1T)
It's on Sunday night on MeTV stations (actually 2AM Monday morning)

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2014 07:31 PM (kVfSG)

Posted by: Iasonas at February 24, 2014 07:31 PM (FHNkr)

192 183 "...gay people enjoy the same statues as every other member of the population...." -Aetius451AD Especially Michaelangelo's David. Posted by: mindful webworker stabs at Humor at February 24, 2014 11:29 PM (U13jb) Doh. And I cannot even blame autocorrect. Statues=status.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 07:32 PM (TGgNi)

193 55 million murdered babies in 40 years, any God with that much patience is a saint.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 24, 2014 11:29 PM (N/cFh)


Are you familiar with that bit in Revelation about the winepress of God's wrath?

Posted by: Methos isn't optimistic at all at February 24, 2014 07:32 PM (hO9ad)

194 178 A quick internet search says that homosexuals comprise 1 - 4 % of the population (varies by locality). How is it this slim minority gets to drive the discussion? How did the majority wind up on the shit end of the stick? Posted by: Contrarian at February 24, 2014 11:28 PM (PXnNl) And it was diagnosed as a treatable mental illness when I was a kid. Talk about inmates and asylums.

Posted by: Iblis at February 24, 2014 07:33 PM (NVFTu)

195 140 I hate this marriage crap too. Don't get me wrong.... I love my husband. This man is truly my happy place. But the fucking gov't should stay the fuck out of marriage. It is a religious contract, not a legal contract. Marriage is between man, woman, and God. The fucking dipshit gov't should stay the fuck out of ALL marriage. Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 11:18 PM (WPm3x) If it is a religious contract, then you DON'T get the government involved in it period. When you ask the government to regulate something, by our Constitution it is supposed to regulate and treat everyone equal under the law. In the government's eyes, it is a legal contract. If you don't want the government doing so, then we need to get the government out of the marriage business altogether. And don't waste the Courts' time with divorce drama, let the Churches handle divorces.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 07:33 PM (HxSXm)

196 I think what we see here is far beyond looking for acceptance but rather a form of mental illness. It is as though they feel that if they manage to get everyone in the world to say that they are great, they will finally feel like they are worth something (to themselves.) Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 24, 2014 11:26 PM (TGgNi) The answer to that is that they don't believe it themselves. They need acclamation from others to convince *THEMSELVES* that they are normal. In their heart, they don't believe it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:33 PM (bb5+k)

197 If these assholes had balls, or whatever they're called in the LGBBQXYZ community the fuckers would speak out against those that would kill them for their orientation. Pussies, the lot of them.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 07:33 PM (MtC8f)

198 Goodnight Harold Ramis.  You made many of my fondest comedies.  And goodnight zombie Morons; see you in the morning.

Posted by: dogfish at February 24, 2014 07:33 PM (nsOJa)

199 55 million murdered babies in 40 years, any God with that much patience is a saint. Posted by: Weirddave
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I have serious trouble with that, too.

But... He invented mercy.

He invented patience.

His ways are not our ways.

He is also a just and jealous God. So says HE.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:34 PM (4Mv1T)

200 How does my ass taste.... BITCHES! Posted by: Abe Vigoda WFT, he's alive! Hey horde he's alive! Seriously, I thought he was dead. No idea where I got that from, other than he's always looked half dead. Ok, Lady Bird Johnson, she's dead right? Or am I losing it in my early dotage?

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 07:34 PM (eBupg)

201 I'm outta here too. Gonna go curl up next to hubby and get some sleep. He's sick so sleep is all I get. I hate that too. Posted by: madamemayhem at February 24, 2014 11:27 PM If i may break my usual mild-mannered idiom: Reverse Cow-Girl. No man is ever too sick for that. We now resume our regularly scheduled AltonJackson

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 07:34 PM (JMmQ9)

202 "If I don't really care one way or the other, am I still a bigot? Do I have to actively cheerlead the cause now or can I just be tolerant like I was asked to be at the outset? This goalpost needs more cement." Remember those stories about the Soviet Union where the party leader would give a speech and he got a standing ovation? And the people kept applauding. And it went on. And on. And on. Because the first person to sit down obviously was not sufficiently patriotic, and would be shot.

Posted by: whoever at February 24, 2014 07:35 PM (kGSN0)

203 "I'm sure US and EU will condition aid to broke-ass African countries on repealing anti-gay laws."

They certainly will.

We will not.

See who comes out ahead in terms of garnering regional influence.

Posted by: China at February 24, 2014 07:35 PM (gqT4g)

204 bbl

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 07:36 PM (bb5+k)

205 andycanuck,
 
The Canadian MRE didn't look any more appetizing than the US version. Oh, and at least one US pack contains the mini-Tabasco bottle as well.
 
As a final note, at all costs avoid the US MRE package of 'scrambled eggs'. You're better off eating the foil package it's in.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 24, 2014 07:36 PM (wNF3N)

206 Oddly, with natural birth rates running 51%-49% Fem to Male, there aren't enough surplus women to sustain Polygamy. That's why there are so many excessive males in Muslim countries willing to raid and kill to gain a girl. Posted by: Iblis at February 24, 2014 11:30 PM (NVFTu) Mutliple-person marriages could involve other permutations such as one woman with many men, a group marriage with multiple men and multiple women, a "braid marriage" (man marries younger wife, younger wife marries younger man who in turn marries a younger wife and so on), or "line marriages" (as seen in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"). Ultimatly, I'm sure the Left would like to see everyone made sterile with test-tube babies to be handed over to the eliteÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 07:37 PM (AymDN)

207 On TV daughter is watching something on ID called The Injustice Files. It's narrated by a young African American man who insists on pretending that nothing has changed in race relations since 1936. It's infuriating. In this episode he is talking about "sundown towns", towns African Americans were not supposed to be in after dark. According to a book published in 1936. He is going to these towns and acting as though nothing had changed. Then he tosses in a factoid that there is an asshat in Leith, ND that is trying to make Leith an all white enclave. He is a Nazi. He has one follower. A 29 year old mentally ill asshole Nazi from Canada. The town of Leith has arrested him for terrorizing residents with a shot gun. He goes to trial in July. They have changed zoning codes to prevent him from buying up large swathes of land in the area. Residents of Fargo held a "Relief for Leith" fundraiser so Leith can defend itself in court against Nazi lawfare. Residents of Leith have protested against him. Of course, race baited report NONE of that. He just leaves the audience with the impression there is a Nazi town in ND. Fucktard

Posted by: Thunderb at February 24, 2014 07:37 PM (zOTsN)

208 Didn't Uganda murder about as many of it's own citizens as it could a while back? Idi Amin and then lately the Lord's Resistance Army? I think I watched a child soldier story somewhere recently about that enlightened Country. The Lord's Resistance Army is hostile to the Ugandan government, and the Ugandan government has been doing its best to destroy it, IIRC.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 24, 2014 07:38 PM (lrwP4)

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 24, 2014 07:38 PM (lrwP4)

210 Lady Bird Johnson, she's dead right? -The Farmer Zombie Lady Bird drives on forever in the billboardless stretches of the highways of our hearts.

Posted by: mindful webworker - the political toe-sock at February 24, 2014 07:38 PM (U13jb)

211 53 I have $17.89 on me right now. I'll gladly pay that sum for 3 oz. of beef jerky delivered to my door. In the next 15 minutes.

This is like a 5 to 1 arbitrage opportunity, people. I have $17.89 in cash money looking for some product that trades at one fifth of the current offer...

The clock is ticking, and as of now, we are keeping score. Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 10:54 PM (JMmQ9) Hide posts from (JMmQ9)



One of these days, I should track down exactly where you live and put your local 7-11 on speed-dial.....

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 07:38 PM (T1005)

212 Ugh. Any Methodists in the crowd?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 07:39 PM (aDwsi)

213 Several Harold Ramis SCTV videos are linked in my sock.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 07:39 PM (Eiwo7)

214 "I'm sure US and EU will condition aid to broke-ass African countries on repealing anti-gay laws." They certainly will. We will not. See who comes out ahead in terms of garnering regional influence. Posted by: China at February 24, 2014 11:35 PM (gqT4g) Many EU countries have already started suspending payments.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 07:39 PM (AymDN)

215 Posted by: Grey Fox at February 24, 2014 11:38 PM (lrwP4)
 
The quick grey fox jumped over the barrel while heavily perspiring.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 24, 2014 07:40 PM (wNF3N)

216

supercalifragilisticexpialidocious ont maet...

 

 

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Posted by: concrete girl at February 24, 2014 07:40 PM (LhAqq)

217 189 Agreed, but it's wose than that. This is very deliberately being used as a divisive/wedge issue. That much is obvious. That's the only explanwtion for 3% of the population to have such a social club against the 97%. Once again, they have made me care. And thst includes the fact thst I don't care if they all FOAD. My limit has been reached and exceeded by an exponential factor.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 07:40 PM (ojnk6)

218 185 I used to be pro-civil unions. Once that was no longer the cause, the mask came off. I should have known that, all along, the end game is destroying Christianity. In retrospect, I cannot fucking believe I was so monumentally naive. I point blank told a lesbian cousin, in the most vulgar manner I could manage, to never, ever broach the subject. Ever. I blame it on the fact that all teh gheys I know, save that one, are fairly firmly Conservative.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 24, 2014 07:41 PM (nDXje)

219 Mike, not a Methodist, but have Methodists in the family.  What's up?

Posted by: Mindy at February 24, 2014 07:41 PM (mQwL2)

220 On TCM at 1:15 EST is The Spy Who Came in from the Cold

Posted by: Tinker Tailor Soldier TV Guide at February 24, 2014 07:42 PM (FbMva)

221 Another Data Point: Texas Passes Illinois in Median Household Income So, of course, fucking Illinois wants to raise the Income Tax ......again.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 24, 2014 07:43 PM (nDXje)

222 Sorry for the venting. How's everyone? I don't hate gays, just the ones that try to ram shit down my throat. (Leave it alone.) Just like the anti 2A crowd, just like the PC police. Leave me the hell alone and do something productive.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 07:44 PM (MtC8f)

223 One of these days, I should track down exactly where you live and put your local 7-11 on speed-dial..... Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 11:38 PM 48176. Send up a flare, I'll find you...

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 07:44 PM (JMmQ9)

224 Mutliple-person marriages could involve other permutations such as one woman with many men, a group marriage with multiple men and multiple women, a "braid marriage" (man marries younger wife, younger wife marries younger man who in turn marries a younger wife and so on), or "line marriages" (as seen in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"). Of course. But this is the example most people think of, and more common in history. Societies that practiced 1 woman multiple husbands didn't thrive. I wonder how much nature and evolution have to play in the near equal rates of birth for males & females in humans. Why monogamous relationships seem to form the most stable societies and if there's a relationship between that and birthrates.

Posted by: Iblis at February 24, 2014 07:44 PM (NVFTu)

225 Mindy - Just wondered about any brushes with this group: http://www.rmnetwork.org/

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 07:45 PM (aDwsi)

226 Oh God NBC is going to try and bring back Heroes.

Posted by: buzzion at February 24, 2014 07:45 PM (LI48c)

227 176 "Uganda's antigay bill signed into law" Didn't Uganda murder about as many of it's own citizens as it could a while back? Idi Amin and then lately the Lord's Resistance Army? I think I watched a child soldier story somewhere recently about that enlightened Country. The Chinese should just buy the place before they go broke. (The Chinese that is.) Seems like anti-gay stuff is all micro aggression in comparison. Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 11:28 PM (NLQl0) If by "paying" you mean letting them all kill each other, then they will. China wants an empire with lots of land, but they don't want the headaches, i.e. people.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 07:45 PM (HxSXm)

228 Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 11:33 PM (bb5+k) I have a different take... based on some family history. Once you self Identify as a victim class, you buy into the idea that anything that goes wrong in your life, is not your fault... its the fault of you being part of that victim class. You can now blame everyone else, for your failings. Problem is, that you then do nothing to fix your failings... as it is all someone elses fault anyway... and you 'fight' to fix THEM... But you can't... because there was never anything really wrong with them to begin with... so you try harder... and harder... and harsher... and then get bitter... confrontational... and eventually give up... Because you can't win against an enemy that does not even really exist.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 07:45 PM (84gbM)

229 Our culture peaked in the 80's I think. I'm an old fucker and just a casual observer. But, TFG has transformed the mouthbreathers to compltete idiocy which will be a struggleto overcome.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 07:46 PM (Q8vlx)

230 I get the feeling history is starting to rhyme again.

Posted by: Jerry at February 24, 2014 07:46 PM (4SKYj)

231 Several Harold Ramis SCTV videos are linked in my sock. -andycanuck Thanks. I haven't searched 'em out for a while, but last time I looked, there were just scattered bits of the original series around. If the collected complete original SCTV ever got released, I'd... look for it again. &&&&&&&& "and per se and"??? &&&&& Sure! AGH! They're coming to take me away, so... Good night, Gracies.

Posted by: mindful webworker - the political toe-sock at February 24, 2014 07:47 PM (U13jb)

232 @218 The civil union position solved all the "bundle of rights" problems for gay people. Versus marriage the tradition or sacrament, the bundle of rights is legally relevant. Around 2004 they chose the frontal assault on the concept of marriage throughout history. And they are winning ten years later in the courts.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 07:48 PM (sOtz/)

233 Societies that practiced 1 woman multiple husbands didn't thrive. Posted by: Iblis at February 24, 2014 11:44 PM (NVFTu) Considering that this idiocy is coming from the same type of people who think that communism hasn't be discredited, I doubt that actual history will stop themÂ… but then when MiniTru gets through with "history"Â…

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 07:48 PM (AymDN)

234 Our culture peaked in the 80's I think. I'm an old fucker and just a casual observer. But, TFG has transformed the mouthbreathers to compltete idiocy which will be a struggleto overcome. Posted by: Chavez the Hugo
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50 year cycle. Peaked in the early 80's. It was also economic.

We're goin' down.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 07:49 PM (4Mv1T)

235 Once you self Identify as a victim class, you buy into the idea that anything that goes wrong in your life, is not your fault... its the fault of you being part of that victim class. You can now blame everyone else, for your failings. Problem is, that you then do nothing to fix your failings... as it is all someone elses fault anyway... and you 'fight' to fix THEM... But you can't... because there was never anything really wrong with them to begin with... so you try harder... and harder... and harsher... and then get bitter... confrontational... and eventually give up... Because you can't win against an enemy that does not even really exist. Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 11:45 PM So...you've met my Wife?

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 07:49 PM (JMmQ9)

236 The answer to that is that they don't believe it themselves. They need acclamation from others to convince *THEMSELVES* that they are normal. In their heart, they don't believe it. Posted by: D-Lamp The Soviets said gays were easier to turn during the Cold War because they feel both isolated from Society but also feel very 'special'. They felt it promoted a tendency toward mental illness. I don't know. It does explain someone in a 'pride' parade having sex in public wearing a prom dress while screaming, "Look at meeeee!" and then demanding they be allowed to show the video to their school children because 'it is all perfectly normal'.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 07:50 PM (8LRQO)

237 Our culture peaked in the 80's I think. -Chavez the Hugo The 1880s, maybe.

Posted by: The 1950s at February 24, 2014 07:50 PM (U13jb)

238 But you can't... because there was never anything really wrong with them to begin with... so you try harder... and harder... and harsher... and then get bitter... confrontational... and eventually give up... Because you can't win against an enemy that does not even really exist. Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 11:45 PM (84gbM) A sex-change is the answer! And i do think that is what some believe. They can dump all their failings (perceived or real) into one basket and think they'll be done with them once they are their 'true' self.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 07:50 PM (MtC8f)

239 The other key datum in the IL vs TX debate is that the Texas state budget is fiscally flush, with money in the bank, whereas Sick-inois is one of the three most fiscally overextended states in the country (with NY and CA).

I suspect that this is part of the reason liberals got so whipped up over Wendy Davis. They're imagining what a huge gusher of money could be redirected into the coffers of the professional left if only they could crack Texas decisively and get into those vaults of untouched cash.

They surely will not be getting much more money out of Illinois for causes outside IL. It's a net sink for leftist cash these days.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 07:50 PM (gqT4g)

240 &&&&&& just checking...

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 07:51 PM (JMmQ9)

241 The civil union position solved all the "bundle of rights" problems for gay people. Versus marriage the tradition or sacrament, the bundle of rights is legally relevant. Around 2004 they chose the frontal assault on the concept of marriage throughout history. And they are winning ten years later in the courts. Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 11:48 PM (sOtz/) I've suggested that we turn all "marriages" into domestic partnerships, with a check box for people to declare that they wish it to be considered "marriage"Â… with such designation being only a preference which can not be imposed on anyone. You have equality and allow people to recognize or not recognize whatever they want. Heck, I'd open it up to any number of consenting adults! Why shouldn't other family forms not receive equal government rights and privileges?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 07:51 PM (AymDN)

242 218 USMC, I was just as naive, having worked in Corporate Theater for a number of years. I accepted that they were born this way and just wanted to be accepted. Cool, done. When they went full celebrate my lifestyle and promote it mode, I began to more than actively dislike to whole movement. They moved away from me, I didn't move away from them.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 07:51 PM (ojnk6)

243 231 If the collected complete original SCTV ever got released, I'd... look for it again. Posted by: mindful webworker - the political toe-sock at February 24, 2014 11:47 PM (U13jb)
I believe they have had problems obtaining the rights to music used in a lot of the episodes.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2014 07:52 PM (kVfSG)

244
Nope. Totally disagree. It is in the best interest of a civil society to encourage marriage.

Beyond that, you have the defacto legal issue of inheritance of property.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 11:28 PM (bb5+k)



Paternity alone is a legitimate reason for the state to be involved.  The state has a legitimate interest in ensuring children are cared for and don't either starve and die in large numbers, or are left to fend for themselves and turn feral.  Marriage, as a legal institution, gives women protection from exploitation by men who might later try and deny responsibility for children by creating a public ritual that binds them to any children born from their wife.

Mutliple-person marriages could involve other permutations such as one woman with many men, a group marriage with multiple men and multiple women, a "braid marriage" (man marries younger wife, younger wife marries younger man who in turn marries a younger wife and so on), or "line marriages" (as seen in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress").


The problem is that the government is still left with the job of sorting out those messes every time they implode (which they will).  To deal with the numerous permutations the state would either have to create marriage laws that are incredibly complex, or scrap the rule of law and rely entirely on the whim of judges and bureaucrats.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 07:52 PM (lr3d7)

245 What would happen,economically, if those in their thirties with loan debt were able to access their own portion within the Social Security Lockbox to pay their debt? Bwahahaha....bwahaha. I bet you thought thought I was laughing!

Posted by: West Town at February 24, 2014 07:54 PM (V8Hba)

246 Mike, that group seems pretty normal for Methodists to be involved in (standard disclaimer applies -- there are certainly Methodists who have not abandoned Christian orthodoxy).

I live in a small town in a conservative area.  There is a Methodist church with a sign out front that says, "Open hearts, Open minds."  Guess what that means?

Posted by: Mindy at February 24, 2014 07:54 PM (mQwL2)

247 I wonder how eager the lgbt crowd would be for gay marriage if divorce was banned?

Posted by: votermom at February 24, 2014 07:55 PM (GSIDW)

248 I've suggested that we turn all "marriages" into domestic partnerships, with a check box for people to declare that they wish it to be considered "marriage"Â… with such designation being only a preference which can not be imposed on anyone.

You have equality and allow people to recognize or not recognize whatever they want.

Heck, I'd open it up to any number of consenting adults! Why shouldn't other family forms not receive equal government rights and privileges?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 11:51 PM (AymDN) 


I believe this is the nuclear option that should have been used about a decade ago. I would go a step farther and stop handing out marriage certificates from the govt. all together. I think it's too late for that now.



Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 24, 2014 07:55 PM (WdbF7)

249 231 If the collected complete original SCTV ever got released, I'd... look for it again. Posted by: mindful webworker - the political toe-sock at February 24, 2014 11:47 PM (U13jb) Yeah, I'd buy a complete DVD set like I did with the Twilight Zone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYCbF0Fat-c Hmm. Check. Everything except coins on my eyes. That's...disconcerting.

Posted by: rickl at February 24, 2014 07:55 PM (sdi6R)

250 I believe they have had problems obtaining the rights to music used in a lot of the episodes. Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 24, 2014 11:52 PM Ah, the WKRP in Cincinnati problem...

Posted by: AltonJackson at February 24, 2014 07:56 PM (JMmQ9)

251 Mike, it was a Methodist church that sponsored the bleeding Trayvon nativity -- "A Son is Given."

Posted by: Mindy at February 24, 2014 07:56 PM (mQwL2)

252 To deal with the numerous permutations the state would either have to create marriage laws that are incredibly complex, or scrap the rule of law and rely entirely on the whim of judges and bureaucrats. Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 11:52 PM (lr3d7) Complex laws combined with judges and bureaucrats acting on a whim? We are already there.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 07:56 PM (AymDN)

253 @218 Once that was no longer the cause, the mask came off. I should have known that, all along, the end game is destroying Christianity. In retrospect, I cannot fucking believe I was so monumentally naive. I point blank told a lesbian cousin, in the most vulgar manner I could manage, to never, ever broach the subject. Ever. --------------------- It's because "Destroy the family!" sounds so absurd to the average person. As a result, it sounds as if you're entering into moonbat tinfoil hat conspiracy-monger territory. After all, why would anyone want to destroy the family? The problem these days, as someone noted not so long ago (on Instapundit, I think) is the sheer number of conspiracy-theory-esque stuff that's being revealed as actually happening. How do you convince regular people who aren't really paying attention that some of that raving loony-bin stuff really is going on? The sheer breadth and audacity of a lot of it is beyond belief. It's getting to the point where I have to keep checking myself. The mind boggles to the point where I have to keep wondering if I'm not really on the verge of becoming a tinfoil hat wearing loony myself.

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 07:56 PM (l9mhS)

254 I think Political Hat knows how to throw a party

Posted by: West Town at February 24, 2014 07:57 PM (V8Hba)

255 The 1950's maybe so.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 07:57 PM (Q8vlx)

256 To deal with the numerous permutations the state would either have to create marriage laws that are incredibly complex, or scrap the rule of law and rely entirely on the whim of judges and bureaucrats.

Go on... *FAP FAP FAP*

Posted by: Barack Insane Obama at February 24, 2014 07:57 PM (0AKks)

257 Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 11:52 PM (lr3d7) States have no interests. They have no desires. What people call State interests are things that THEY wish the State to do. With Genetic testing, Paternity laws become simple... You inherit from your biological Parents... and it is their responsibility to raise you. Heck... I'd say the State getting involved, through family courts, has more complicated issues than simplified them... because the STATE has no consciousness to control its 'interests'... and thus it is left to People Interested in that issue, to Act for the State.... And people come in with all types of agendas...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 07:59 PM (84gbM)

258
Complex laws combined with judges and bureaucrats acting on a whim?

We are already there.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 11:56 PM (AymDN)



I know, but that doesn't mean that we should continue to encourage it and help it along.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 07:59 PM (lr3d7)

259 I used to not give a rat's ass about the gay thing. I didn't give a shit what they did. That pretty much changed when they started trying to force me into applauding their fucking behavior.  I don't care what they fucking call me. The last thing thats going to offend me is being called a neanderthal by some dude that can't see the glorious merits of a round smooth female ass and her mellonous rack. Its a fucking compliment.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 24, 2014 08:00 PM (FMbng)

260 I was never in the Canadian Forces, GnuBreed, to know but I remember reading an article about how Canadian rations were popular with other Allied forces in Croatia/Bosnia although that might have been a change of pace for everyone trading rations making it seem better just because it wasn't the same stuff you'd been eating for the past X months.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 08:01 PM (Eiwo7)

261 Tobacco Road, Carolina? Be down there in May heaven on earth certain parts. And,yes we are goin down. Yippee.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 08:01 PM (Q8vlx)

262 The Lord's Resistance Army is hostile to the Ugandan government, and the Ugandan government has been doing its best to destroy it, IIRC. Posted by: Grey Fox Thank you. You are absolutely right. I am very sloppy when I post with a cat on my arm and if I'd given it more than ten seconds of thought I'd have realized my mistake I hope. I also sometimes just post the first thing out of my mind and regret it if I read it later. I'm under the impression that the modem doesn't connect to the internet but rather some clever circuitry in it actually connects our minds directly to the Web and our consciousness invents the details about typing and reading etc. This drains a lot of mental energy normally used for editing and critical thinking.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 08:02 PM (wAmz2)

263 Tobacco Road, Carolina? Be down there in May heaven on earth certain parts. And,yes we are goin down. Yippee. Posted by: Chavez the Hugo --------------------------------- Where abouts? We have some parts heaven. Some parts just earth.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 08:03 PM (4Mv1T)

264 Pretty interesting take on Satan's design http://bit.ly/1k7hFOY (nsfw-ish)

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 08:03 PM (bStrg)

265 @224 Of course. But this is the example most people think of, and more common in history. Societies that practiced 1 woman multiple husbands didn't thrive. ------------------- They can't. And the reason why is common sense, really. The society needs kids to survive. And no matter how happy that "Many men, one woman" relationship might be, all of that male attention focused on one woman essentially means that there are a lot of other women out there who aren't reproducing. Polygamous societies, in comparison, don't have that issue because one man is quite capable of impregnating multiple women. Although you then end up with a lot of restless young men, which causes its own set of problems...

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 08:03 PM (l9mhS)

266 244 Colorado Alex ---------------------- Paternity alone is a legitimate reason for the government to be involved. ---------------------- Re-read what you wrote. Still wanna go with that? DNA tests with every EBT, SNAP etc, etc, Aren't we broke enough ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 24, 2014 08:04 PM (nfOY9)

267 Ocean Isle then Bearfort SC

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 08:04 PM (Q8vlx)

268 125 @96 Colorado Alex

Mosque wives are already here. One official wife per the state, but up to three more at the mosque.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 11:14 PM (sOtz/)


********************************


This is how it's going to go down. A Muslim American who legally married multiple wives outside the US is going to petition a friendly court (I predict in Michigan) that not only does he have just as much equal protection right as the gays to marry whoever he wants, he is being denied his free exercise of religion. Boom. It's done.

We are going to have to amend the Constitution to stop this nonsense, folks.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 24, 2014 08:04 PM (HubSo)

269 Ahhh, what a day.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at February 24, 2014 08:05 PM (Mj+L4)

270 "What would happen,economically, if those in their thirties with loan debt were able to access their own portion within the Social Security Lockbox to pay their debt?"

I would love to see a video of thirtysomethings being asked that question.

Among the over-sixty crowd of my acquaintance, I have been known to say in conversation, with a serious look, "You know there are proposals now to access the money you paid in, that's been stored up in the accounts for years to pay your Social Security and Medicare, and use it for other purposes?"

INSTANT MASSIVE INDIGNATION. How DARE they! This is AN OUTRAGE! That's OUR money!

The percentage of them who realize that there are in fact no special accounts containing money that they previously paid in is just pitifully small. One in twenty?

And these are not uneducated, unaccomplished people. They're mostly retired professionals in substantive fields. But they're intellectually vacant when it comes to realizing how the system actually works, and how badly the political class have rooked them.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 08:05 PM (gqT4g)

271 265 We hear ya, junior.

Posted by: China at February 24, 2014 08:05 PM (ojnk6)

272 228 Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 11:33 PM (bb5+k)

I have a different take... based on some family history.

Once you self Identify as a victim class, you buy into the idea that anything that goes wrong in your life, is not your fault... its the fault of you being part of that victim class.

You can now blame everyone else, for your failings.

Problem is, that you then do nothing to fix your failings... as it is all someone elses fault anyway... and you 'fight' to fix THEM...

But you can't... because there was never anything really wrong with them to begin with... so you try harder... and harder... and harsher... and then get bitter... confrontational... and eventually give up... Because you can't win against an enemy that does not even really exist.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 24, 2014 11:45 PM (84gbM) Hide posts from (84gbM)



This strikes me as a very insightful observation.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 08:06 PM (T1005)

273 Our culture peaked in the 80's I think. I'm an old fucker and just a casual observer. But, TFG has transformed the mouthbreathers to compltete idiocy which will be a struggleto overcome. Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 11:46 PM (Q8vlx) You can't be serious. I was born in the 60's, grew up in the 70's, came of age in the 80's. I dated women with big hair and shoulder pads, watched idiotic music videos in the infancy of cable and even more idiotic TV shows like 'Riptide' starring a helicopter and a robot, and saw rich guys carry cell phones the size of WWII surplus walkie-talkies. Even though young and living life for all it was worth, not once not ever did I believe I was living at the peak of American culture. Not that I cared. Like I said, I was young.

Posted by: troyriser at February 24, 2014 08:07 PM (ptcFO)

274 232 @218 The civil union position solved all the "bundle of rights" problems for gay people. Versus marriage the tradition or sacrament, the bundle of rights is legally relevant. Around 2004 they chose the frontal assault on the concept of marriage throughout history. And they are winning ten years later in the courts. Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 11:48 PM (sOtz/) The reason why they went after it was because of Federal bennies. They couldn't file tax returns and get social security, and the only way to get them was to get "marriage". A simple bill passed by Congress saying that when "marriage" is used in the Federal code, it also means a "civil partnership". That probably would have taken care of it.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 08:07 PM (HxSXm)

275 Change of subject: So what's the consensus on giving the doggie actual bones? Even if I had money, I would go broke buying this little guy rawhides. I remember years ago, I used to get giant beef bones for free from a local butcher for my lab. Even Fuddruckers would give me free ones. I know some say it's a bad idea, but natural has to be better than the chemically infused craps I can buy.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 08:08 PM (6JAAh)

276 Ocean Isle then Bearfort SC Posted by: Chavez the Hugo ---------------------------------- Very nice. I've golfed and spent a few weeks at Ocean Isle. And had family in Beaufort SC. Uncle was a doctor there, but he's old and retired near his kids close to me. Great places, both.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 08:08 PM (4Mv1T)

277 @270 Among the over-sixty crowd of my acquaintance, I have been known to say in conversation, with a serious look, "You know there are proposals now to access the money you paid in, that's been stored up in the accounts for years to pay your Social Security and Medicare, and use it for other purposes?" --------------------- What's really scary is that your comment would be just as accurate if applied to retirement accounts such as 401(k)s. I dutifully put money away every month, but I often wonder if it will still be there for me (and only me) when I eventually leave the work force.

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 08:08 PM (l9mhS)

278 The answer to that is that they don't believe it themselves. They need acclamation from others to convince *THEMSELVES* that they are normal.

In their heart, they don't believe it.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 24, 2014 11:33 PM (bb5+k)


**************************


Abraham Lincoln at Cooper Union:


The question recurs, what will satisfy them? Simply this: We must not only let them alone, but we must somehow, convince them that we do let them alone. This, we know by experience, is no easy task. We have been so trying to convince them from the very beginning of our organization, but with no success. In all our platforms and speeches we have constantly protested our purpose to let them alone; but this has had no tendency to convince them. Alike unavailing to convince them, is the fact that they have never detected a man of us in any attempt to disturb them.

These natural, and apparently adequate means all failing, what will convince them? This, and this only: cease to call slavery wrong, and join them in calling it right. And this must be done thoroughly - done in acts as well as in words. Silence will not be tolerated - we must place ourselves avowedly with them. Senator Douglas' new sedition law must be enacted and enforced, suppressing all declarations that slavery is wrong, whether made in politics, in presses, in pulpits, or in private. We must arrest and return their fugitive slaves with greedy pleasure. We must pull down our Free State constitutions. The whole atmosphere must be disinfected from all taint of opposition to slavery, before they will cease to believe that all their troubles proceed from us.

. . . . .

Holding, as they do, that slavery is morally right, and socially elevating, they cannot cease to demand a full national recognition of it, as a legal right, and a social blessing.

Nor can we justifiably withhold this, on any ground save our conviction that slavery is wrong. If slavery is right, all words, acts, laws, and constitutions against it, are themselves wrong, and should be silenced, and swept away. If it is right, we cannot justly object to its nationality - its universality; if it is wrong, they cannot justly insist upon its extension - its enlargement. All they ask, we could readily grant, if we thought slavery right; all we ask, they could as readily grant, if they thought it wrong. Their thinking it right, and our thinking it wrong, is the precise fact upon which depends the whole controversy. Thinking it right, as they do, they are not to blame for desiring its full recognition, as being right; but, thinking it wrong, as we do, can we yield to them? Can we cast our votes with their view, and against our own? In view of our moral, social, and political responsibilities, can we do this?

Wrong as we think slavery is, we can yet afford to let it alone where it is, because that much is due to the necessity arising from its actual presence in the nation; but can we, while our votes will prevent it, allow it to spread into the National Territories, and to overrun us here in these Free States? If our sense of duty forbids this, then let us stand by our duty, fearlessly and effectively. Let us be diverted by none of those sophistical contrivances wherewith we are so industriously plied and belabored - contrivances such as groping for some middle ground between the right and the wrong, vain as the search for a man who should be neither a living man nor a dead man - such as a policy of "don't care" on a question about which all true men do care - such as Union appeals beseeching true Union men to yield to Disunionists, reversing the divine rule, and calling, not the sinners, but the righteous to repentance - such as invocations to Washington, imploring men to unsay what Washington said, and undo what Washington did.

Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. LET US HAVE FAITH THAT RIGHT MAKES MIGHT, AND IN THAT FAITH, LET US, TO THE END, DARE TO DO OUR DUTY AS WE UNDERSTAND IT.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 24, 2014 08:09 PM (HubSo)

279

Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 12:08 AM (6JAAh)


make sure it's raw and it's thick enough that it won't shatter in his mouth and you're good

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 08:10 PM (bStrg)

280 @268 Yeah, it's a done deal. That could happen tomorrow. The sharia in family law movement is viewed as harmless by most of the legal establishment (who almost uniformly know next to nothing about sharia).

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 08:10 PM (sOtz/)

281 Not Bearfort. Although I like that sound, it's Beaufort, SC

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 08:10 PM (4Mv1T)

282 and I wouldn't give a dog anything other than beef bones

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 08:11 PM (bStrg)

283

@ Alton Jackson.

 

 

Lime-A-Way, scrub and rinse, followed by Tilex, scrub and rinse.

 

 

Works, every time.  Oh, and unscrew the shower head, and soak it in a bow of Lime-A-Way.  It'll clear out all the calcified gunk, and make it like a new shower.

 

 

Also works damn well to clean the scum off of the glass, if you have that kind of shower stall.

 

 

If those don't work, you need a grout file, and mix some up, new.

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 24, 2014 08:12 PM (vvk2F)

284 Re-read what you wrote.

Still wanna go with that?

DNA tests with every EBT, SNAP etc, etc,

Aren't we broke enough ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 25, 2014 12:04 AM (nfOY9)



We don't have to require paternity tests.   All we have to do is drastically reduce benefits to unmarried mothers, except for widows, and combine it with some sort of legal ritual that a man could engage in that would result in society assuming that any children the woman produced were his and holding him accountable to care for them.  If only there was a name for such a ritual...

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 08:12 PM (lr3d7)

285 280 This is the line over which shots should be fired, beagle. IMO only.

Posted by: China at February 24, 2014 08:12 PM (ojnk6)

286 Tobacco some of my best memories are there had the best time of my life in both places. Love the hospitality. Just laid back and totally cool. My wife loves it. I'm lucky.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 08:13 PM (Q8vlx)

287 And on that note, I've got a very long day ahead of me tomorrow.  Everyone have a good night!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 24, 2014 08:14 PM (lr3d7)

288 And these are not uneducated, unaccomplished people. They're mostly retired professionals in substantive fields. But they're intellectually vacant when it comes to realizing how the system actually works, and how badly the political class have rooked them. Posted by: torquewrench I'm betting a lot of those same people think the economy is now roaring right along because the market is so high. Don't tell them. Let it be a surprise.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 08:14 PM (SngbT)

289 Stupid ipad. Beaufort.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 08:15 PM (Q8vlx)

290 Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 12:08 AM (6JAAh) I think you're fine with the bones. The only warning I ever heeded regarding bones are the cooked ones. Makes them brittle- most canines throughout history never developed cooking skills. Raw should be A-OK.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 08:15 PM (MtC8f)

291 279
Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 12:08 AM (6JAAh)

make sure it's raw and it's thick enough that it won't shatter in his mouth and you're good
Posted by: The Dude at February 25, 2014 12:10 AM (bStrg) Hide posts from (bStrg)



I'm all for the second part, but why raw? Is there some problem with cooked bones?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 08:16 PM (T1005)

292 284 CA, don't you see that you're advocating for more Gov control, but since it's it's according to your views on the subject, it's now OK?

Posted by: China at February 24, 2014 08:16 PM (ojnk6)

293 Gay marriage and polygamy alliance...
www.meforum.org/3214/gay-marriage-polygamy

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 08:16 PM (Eiwo7)

294 Hi ont!! Glad to see Holder says AG'S don't have to implement laws they don't agree with. Fuck you obamacare, your out of here!!

Posted by: lou's a girl at February 24, 2014 08:16 PM (VgMBx)

295 Here's an odd fact about Uganda. They are the only country in Africa that has made any inroads into stemming the tide of AIDS. They have done so by rejecting the notion that condoms prevent the spread--it can be demonstrated that they don't. AIDS can be transmitted by more than one uncovered penis. Instead Uganda, which is heavily Catholic by comparison to other countries there, preaches abstinence before marriage. And it works. Go figure.



So, who are we to say that Uganda is wrong about buttsecks being an issue? It is.

Posted by: tcn at February 24, 2014 08:18 PM (fwcEs)

296 284 Colorado Alex You mean Alimony ? You're funny. How do you expect fathers who sire multiple children, and do not work to provide money to assorted wives. Thin air, indeed.

Posted by: seamrog at February 24, 2014 08:18 PM (nfOY9)

297 275 Change of subject: So what's the consensus on giving the doggie actual bones? Even if I had money, I would go broke buying this little guy rawhides. I remember years ago, I used to get giant beef bones for free from a local butcher for my lab. Even Fuddruckers would give me free ones. I know some say it's a bad idea, but natural has to be better than the chemically infused craps I can buy. Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 12:08 AM (6JAAh) Target sells rawhide chews that are made in the USA. They have "American Made" or something like that on the front of the bag, but make sure you look because they are all around the made in China ones.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 24, 2014 08:20 PM (HxSXm)

298 @290, @291 -- well, there ya go.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 08:21 PM (T1005)

299 @285 I would pick a red line which involves legal self defense. Given the history of Islamic insurgency when they hit a substantial minority it may not be long. It's not like either party wants to restrict Islamic immigration in any way. The opposite in fact. My local imam was training mujahideen to kill US officers overseas. Don't see that ending or ending well.

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 08:22 PM (sOtz/)

300 I'm all for the second part, but why raw? Is there some problem with cooked bones?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 25, 2014 12:16 AM (T1005)


what RWC said, it makes them brittle so they can shatter in a dog's mouth which is the main concern for giving a bone to a dog

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 08:22 PM (bStrg)

301 We are screaming towards 300 comments. It's blistering I tell you.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 24, 2014 08:23 PM (4Mv1T)

302 Posted by: cthulhu at February 25, 2014 12:16 AM (T1005) Makes the bones brittle.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 08:23 PM (MtC8f)

303 And to go along with the sidebar "killing Hitler time travel" thing from the Guardian there's something more linked in my sock. I read the Guardian piece at Instapundit on the weekend and while I'm in the "don't kill him because things might turn out worse camp", I thought it sucked.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 08:23 PM (Eiwo7)

304 "So what's the consensus on giving the doggie actual bones? Even if I had money, I would go broke buying this little guy rawhides. I remember years ago, I used to get giant beef bones for free from a local butcher for my lab. Even Fuddruckers would give me free ones."

Echoing the upthread comments about raw bones only.

Worth sounding out your local butchers again, if you can find any.

(It's a vanishing profession at the local level. Most markets now simply have precut packaged meat shipped in from a central butchering facility.)

We buy beef bones for stock from our local guy. He was _ecstatic_ when we quietly asked about bones, and he cut us a great deal (cough). Remember, bones are a burdensome waste product if they can't find anyone who wants them.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 08:23 PM (gqT4g)

305 275 shredded chi Do not ever give your dog chicken bones. They shatter into very sharp spears. It's sounds wimpy, but if you boil up some cut up carrots and then freeze them, the dog gets to gnaw and it's something safe and healthy. My Vet recommended it.

Posted by: seamrog at February 24, 2014 08:24 PM (nfOY9)

306 300 The main concern is the bone slivers and what it does to a dog's digestive system. Not whether they can chew it or not.

Posted by: China at February 24, 2014 08:24 PM (ojnk6)

307 Posted by: Jim at February 25, 2014 12:12 AM (vvk2F) Hey, Jim. That 6.5 x 55 Swede my buddy has to sell is a Mark IV.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 08:24 PM (ngmIt)

308 Thanks for the replies. Raw is what I was thinking. I used to get trash bags full of beef bones from the butcher. I will say that an old (I mean old) neighbor used to bring over "sandwiches" for Mojo. I think his wife would make stock, then he would take the bones, after boiling all day, put them between two pieces of bread, and walk the sammich across the street for my boy. I can hear him whining for joy thinking about it. Tail wagging, chomping at the air - the bread would be dripping, Mojo's mouth would be dripping - those bones were as soft as jello. He really loved that old man.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 08:25 PM (6JAAh)

309 Remember, bones are a burdensome waste product if they can't find anyone who wants them.
Just like muffin stumps!

Posted by: elaine benes at February 24, 2014 08:26 PM (Eiwo7)

310 The homosexuals want to talk about our private lives but even obliquely mention anal sex, fisting or other practices and most homosexuals activists go into vapors.  The facts of what their lifestyle is about doesn't fit their we're all cute little harmless fuzz balls agenda. 

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at February 24, 2014 08:27 PM (7I9Xr)

311 Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 12:25 AM (6JAAh) Mojo's servant brings him/her food. What's not to love?

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 08:27 PM (MtC8f)

312 Losing the first sock I ever used....

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 08:27 PM (ojnk6)

313 So (and this works in to my aversion to mayo).....I'd assume that you'd get a fresh bone and keep it refrigerated until you gave it to your dog....and make sure that he then had sufficient time to gnaw all the flesh off before it got too gamy.



Of course, you don't need to get too obsessive about too much because dogs are evolved to deal with quite unsanitary situations and are pretty hardy about such things.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 08:28 PM (T1005)

314 Barefoot in Beaufort. Spent a big chunk of my youth just across Port Royal Sound from Beaufort.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 08:29 PM (aDwsi)

315

Garret,

 

Do not pass GO, do not go to JAIL, do not do ANYTHING but buy that damn rifle STAT!   Hopefully, it's a bargain?

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 24, 2014 08:29 PM (vvk2F)

316 Do not ever give your dog chicken bones.
LOL. For some reason I've been thinking about the Far Side cartoon that had the mother dog in a dog supermarket looking through a pile of bones with the attached sign like "assorted bones $xx chicken bones removed". I can't recall the punchline. I think the mother dog was talking to a grocery-boy dog about something.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 08:30 PM (Eiwo7)

317 Losing the first sock I ever used.... Posted by: ManWithNoParty * checks Handbook * Yep, you owe us all a round of drinks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 08:30 PM (aDwsi)

318 PortRoyal rocks

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 08:30 PM (Q8vlx)

319 Can't you go by a deer processing place and pick up a few bones for Spot? Seems like they'd have a few laying around. I remember during deer season many years ago my Weimaraner used to turn up with feet and legs and such in her mouth. Never knew where the hell she got them. Now that I keep cats it is not an issue except for the poisonous snakes they bring in sometimes. Little monsters.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 08:31 PM (TcgdJ)

320 dogs are evolved to deal with quite unsanitary situations and are pretty hardy about such things. Posted by: cthulhu ------------- My cat thinks the dog is unsanitary.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 08:31 PM (aDwsi)

321 Hopefully, it's a bargain? Rifle w/ upgraded trigger and glass bed (done by a good 'smith) Leupold 6X Scope, Dyes, and 200+ bullets and asst'd brass and I think he wants $750.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 08:32 PM (ngmIt)

322 317 Let me know how I can buy the round. The USB Port is open, if that's an option...

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 08:32 PM (ojnk6)

323 Man - That's the spirit(s), just keep pouring until someone says stop.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 08:33 PM (aDwsi)

324 "So, who are we to say that Uganda is wrong about buttsecks being an issue? It is."

Actually, in Africa in general, heterosexual vaginal sex is a far more significant transmission route for HIV than it is elsewhere.

There is a weird cultural preference among African men for "dry" vaginal sex, and who knows where _that_ came from. Women in Africa will actually pack themselves with various substances to reduce normal vaginal lubrication, because their menfolk are keen on the dryness.

Unfortunately, that lubrication is there for a reason. It has antibacterial and antiviral properties. And without it, the vaginal tissues are prone to tearing during intercourse, which is what HIV just adores: direct access to the bloodstream of a new host.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 08:33 PM (gqT4g)

325 324 - Too much info.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 08:34 PM (aDwsi)

326 In my quest to avoid the Wall of Shame next week, I am out of here. G'night all.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 24, 2014 08:35 PM (aDwsi)

327 Nite all, see you tomorrow. Gotta work and pay for our bamacare.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 24, 2014 08:35 PM (Q8vlx)

328

Garrett,

 

 

It's worth nearly twice that.  The scope alone is $400 ish.

 

 

We should enjoy reading your range report in the near future.

 

 

 


Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 24, 2014 08:35 PM (vvk2F)

329 323 *Pouring Miller Lite via the port* let me know when you've had enough, kay?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 08:36 PM (ojnk6)

330 Lady Bird Johnson, she's dead right? -The Farmer Zombie Lady Bird drives on forever in the billboardless stretches of the highways of our hearts. Posted by: mindful webworker - the political toe-sock WTF is up nowadays? It was pretty ticky-tacky back then w/ billboards, I see where she had the right idea, tho I don't like an oppressive Fed. govt. But how do they get around it today, the billboards seem to be proliferating.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 08:36 PM (eBupg)

331 325 324 - Too much info. Posted by: Mike Hammer at February 25, 2014 12:34 AM (aDwsi) Hide posts from (aDwsi)



Yeesh. What did I ever do to torquewrench? Where the hell did I leave the brain bleach?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 08:37 PM (T1005)

332 Cthulhu, I posted last night & them disappeared. I made the roasted tomatoes. They were delicious. I put them in a round pan & was going to use fresh garlic but once I peeled some of it, I could see it had sprouted & a few pieces were brown. I used garlic from the jar. They would be really good with mozzarella cheese on top. Next time I going to use two packages of Campari tomatoes & top with mozzarella cheese. Thank you. I wrote down how long I cooked them & the temp. It ended up being just about 25 minutes @ 350.

Posted by: Carol at February 24, 2014 08:37 PM (z4WKX)

333 When we went to get our new Collie puppy, some years ago I asked the Breeder/Vet about diet. She mentioned some new idea about giving dogs raw "food" since their digestive and immune systems were so different from ours. So I gave the lil pup a raw chicken drumstick. (uncooked chicken bones were ""okay") She was a fuzzy piranha, demolishing the meal. My wife almost puked. We tried that once.

Posted by: seamrog at February 24, 2014 08:38 PM (nfOY9)

334 Where the hell did I leave the brain bleach?
Beside the lube?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 08:38 PM (Eiwo7)

335 Oh, I am not in the market for a 6.5 x 55 Swede. I already have the perfect rifle, imho.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 08:39 PM (ngmIt)

336 331 Next to the Astroglide?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 08:39 PM (ojnk6)

337 "What did I ever do to torquewrench?"

I am an equal opportunity nauseator.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 08:40 PM (gqT4g)

338 'Piers Morgan ' anagrams to 'A grim person.'

Posted by: drink bum were-wolf at February 24, 2014 08:40 PM (sKHit)

339 I knew about the tendency of chicken bones to splinter from way back, so that's a non-starter. Mojo was my beloved Lab from years ago, now in doggie heaven. What we're dealing with now is a fifteen pound min-pin with the appetite and personality of a full sized Doberman. He will chew fanned near anything. A favorite is pine cones. As to the boiled carrots, Seamrog? HAH! He prefers them raw. Onions, not so much. He came running into the living room with a raw potato last week. After a quick google search, I just let him eat it. Cooth, Tucker would do away with any leftover meat in a matter of minutes. Imagine that '70s movie "Piranhas" - only faster. The kids gave him a giant 2' rawhide bigger than he is for Christmas and it didn't last through New Years Eve.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 08:40 PM (6JAAh)

340 'Well we're lubin' on up...'

Posted by: Weezy Jefferson at February 24, 2014 08:41 PM (ngmIt)

341

Garrett,

 

 

Damn......  I've got a .45-70 Sharps clone (Italian) on auction over at Gunbroker. 

 

 

If it sells in a timely manner, I'll look to contact you as relay on that Mk. V.

 

 

My e mail is in my nic, sir.

 

 

 

 

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at February 24, 2014 08:42 PM (vvk2F)

342 I got nuthin. 'night.

Posted by: Daybrother at February 24, 2014 08:42 PM (yvLNt)

343 I'm all for the second part, but why raw? Is there some problem with cooked bones? I gave my little (11 lb ) Shih Tzu the bone from a steak once, a nice thick one. Within 10 minutes he had reduced it to splinters and was puking up little pieces of bone for a week. Lesson learned.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 24, 2014 08:43 PM (N/cFh)

344 I'm running outa Lite, and the port is backing up. Enough?.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 08:44 PM (ojnk6)

345 No problems. If you want the contact onfo I can email it to you.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 08:45 PM (ngmIt)

346 Regarding doggehs, they will eat literal shit and shit you don't think they can process. (Speaking to the choir here) But i wouldn't give the bones to 'em. However, my mutt likes baby back ribs as much as I do and she would find a way to get to them-bones and all. No problem. Brothers girlfriend, now wife, had a 15 pound BT that opened the fridge and ate 6 bone-in New York Strips. Of course that BT's sister had to go to the vet for eating twine. You have to love your dog to do what my bro did.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 08:46 PM (MtC8f)

347 So, of course, fucking Illinois wants to raise the Income Tax ......again. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire Where did you see this? Never heard anything, and Quinn is currently running behind all 4 Reps running. Link please.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 08:47 PM (eBupg)

348 332 Cthulhu,
I posted last night & them disappeared. I made the roasted tomatoes. They were delicious. I put them in a round pan & was going to use fresh garlic but once I peeled some of it, I could see it had sprouted & a few pieces were brown. I used garlic from the jar.

They would be really good with mozzarella cheese on top. Next time I going to use two packages of Campari tomatoes & top with mozzarella cheese.

Thank you.
I wrote down how long I cooked them & the temp. It ended up being just about 25 minutes @ 350. Posted by: Carol at February 25, 2014 12:37 AM (z4WKX) Hide posts from (z4WKX)



No problem, Carol -- it is super-forgiving and really good for being so easy. I'm glad you enjoyed.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 08:49 PM (T1005)

349 Night all. Here is "Stalker goes to Babylon" by The Pillows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-9rZslUVJw

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 24, 2014 08:51 PM (AymDN)

350 "Brothers girlfriend, now wife, had a 15 pound BT that opened the fridge and ate 6 bone-in New York Strips."

You have no idea how much I miss those American classic fridges of the sort with which I grew up, which had an actual lever handle with a cam to latch the door solidly closed.

I think the style was lawfared out of existence by fears of small children managing to fatally lock themselves inside.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 08:51 PM (gqT4g)

351 New upstart - cthulus tomatoes and Carol's mozarella....on bread! (Sorry, just being an ass.)

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 08:51 PM (MtC8f)

352 I think this quote ties in well with what we were discussing earlier: "If you are taught bitterness and anger, then you will believe you are a victim. You will feel aggrieved and the twin brother of aggrievement is entitlement. So now you think you are owed something and you don’t have to work for it and now you’re on a really bad road to nowhere because there are people who will play to that sense of victimhood, aggrievement and entitlement, and you still won’t have a job." — Condoleezza Rice

Posted by: Weirddave at February 24, 2014 08:51 PM (N/cFh)

353 Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2014 12:51 AM (gqT4g) Ha. Yeah, we had one of those growing up. If I am not mistaken you could even lock it by placing a rod through the provided hole.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 08:53 PM (MtC8f)

354 I think the style was lawfared out of existence by fears of small children managing to fatally lock themselves inside. Happened to a friend of mine.

Posted by: Punky Brewster at February 24, 2014 08:54 PM (ngmIt)

355 I think the style was lawfared out of existence by fears of small children managing to fatally lock themselves inside. Which, to be fair, did happen more than once. I'll take the odd steak down the gullet of the family pooch as a fair trade off for the life of the odd child playing hide and seek. One case where I think government regs are justified. One rare case. cthulhu, can you post your recipe again?

Posted by: Weirddave at February 24, 2014 08:54 PM (N/cFh)

356 347 Left this state in 1986, when it was semi sane. They apparently can't understand what a feedback loop is. I grew up in a great place (Park Ridge), minus the fact that Hillary is from there. The rest of my family is still there. Rather amazing, that.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 08:55 PM (ojnk6)

357 200 year old douche found Under New York's City Hall.

I'm not making it up. Its on the nbcnews web site.

Posted by: freaked at February 24, 2014 10:51 PM (JdEZJ)


Meh, they have a commie douche in City Hall.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 24, 2014 08:55 PM (h48+t)

358 In this episode he is talking about "sundown towns", towns African Americans were not supposed to be in after dark. According to a book published in 1936. He is going to these towns and acting as though nothing had changed. Well, to be fair, there are areas in any major city where you are not safe if you are of the wrong race. Residents of Fargo held a "Relief for Leith" fundraiser so Leith can defend itself in court against Nazi lawfare. Nazis and similar folks really like the American civil court system, don't they? Look at the Westboro church.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2014 08:56 PM (xSegX)

359
You have no idea how much I miss those American classic fridges of the sort with which I grew up, which had an actual lever handle with a cam to latch the door solidly closed.>>

We have an old propane fridge of that vintage. When the lattch broke I replaced it with a rubber truck hood latch. Works great.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/RNB-42410?seid=srese2

Posted by: The Hickster at February 24, 2014 08:58 PM (TI3xG)

360 They surely will not be getting much more money out of Illinois for causes outside IL. It's a net sink for leftist cash these days. Posted by: torquewrench IIRC you are in IL? I'm in Dixon, whereabouts r u?

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 08:59 PM (eBupg)

361 candy crush is more challenging after 6 shots for rum. so is spellingk

Posted by: buzsaw90 at February 24, 2014 09:00 PM (FpHdx)

362 "the tax system would be dramatically simpler, with seven existing brackets collapsed into just two, set at 10 percent and 25 percent. In addition, the plan would impose a 10 percent surtax on certain types of earned income over roughly $450,000 a year. The surtax would hit many salaried professionals, such as attorneys Just stop here, GOP. Stop right here. I hate to be...me, but if you neuter the legal profession, you cut the head off of the Democrat party. and accountants, Wait...accountants make $450,000. No way. No f'ing way. You have to be a Chief Economist of a major company to make half that. This is just an attempt to make the thing look like it effects real humans. No way. while dodging farmers and manufacturers — as well as the super-rich, whose income often is derived primarily from interest and investments." Psst, if you make money from interest and investments, it means that you've already made plenty of taxable income in order to buy the assets that give money in interest and investments. And we're all making money in interest and investments, at least if we are still allowed to have a 401K.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 24, 2014 09:00 PM (xSegX)

363 358 To follow Chris Rock's own comments, anywhere that has an MLK Blvd. Constitutes an area in which one would not wish to find onesself, assuming a certain skin melanin content.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 24, 2014 09:02 PM (ojnk6)

364 'Piers Morgan '
anagrams to
'A grim person.'

Posted by: drink bum were-wolf at February 25, 2014 12:40 AM (sKHit)




I must suck at anagrams. I keep coming up with "piers morgan is an insufferable cock holster", but it seems like too many letters.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 24, 2014 09:03 PM (FMbng)

365 Tax rates over 7% should be criminal.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:04 PM (ngmIt)

366 I wish the gardening thread would talk about heirloom and oddball tomato varieties as I need new stuff to go with my standard Cherokee and Black Prince. Wisconsin 55 is also a standard I always grow but it's not really a heirloom nor oddball

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 09:06 PM (bStrg)

367 Kellogg Breakfast Gold!

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:07 PM (ngmIt)

368 Also, Black Krim.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:07 PM (ngmIt)

369 so if Ziskey rated the Americans today, what'd we get?

Posted by: buzsaw90 at February 24, 2014 09:09 PM (FpHdx)

370 Would love to do a plant of Kellogg's Breakfast but I've always worried that I don't have the weather to do those.


I've grown Black Krim but always found Black Prince to be a better tomato.

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 09:10 PM (bStrg)

371 Is there a Kaboom tomato too? Or should that be "tomato"? We'll have to ask Ace tomorrow how his mom made BLTs.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 24, 2014 09:12 PM (Eiwo7)

372 I do want to try growing these this season though, Pride of Flanders

http://bit.ly/1c3dMLR

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 09:14 PM (bStrg)

373 Would love to do a plant of Kellogg's Breakfast but I've always worried that I don't have the weather to do those. I have been able to get them to produce pretty well in Montana and we have a pretty short season. Always started them indoors and had good luck transplanting them. They taste like someone crashed a pineapple into a tomato.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:14 PM (ngmIt)

374 I always had the best luck with the Russian Varieties.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:17 PM (ngmIt)

375 Maybe it wasnÂ’t such a shock, as 4-decade-old documents released to The Washington Times under the Freedom of Information Act show the FBI suspected the fight may have been fixed by a Las Vegas figure tied to organized crime and to Liston. The documents show no evidence that Ali was in on the scheme or even knew about it. And nothing suggests the bureau ever fully corroborated the suspicions it investigated.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 24, 2014 09:19 PM (e8kgV)

376 355 I think the style was lawfared out of existence by fears of small children managing to fatally lock themselves inside.

Which, to be fair, did happen more than once. I'll take the odd steak down the gullet of the family pooch as a fair trade off for the life of the odd child playing hide and seek. One case where I think government regs are justified. One rare case.

cthulhu, can you post your recipe again? Posted by: Weirddave at February 25, 2014 12:54 AM (N/cFh) Hide posts from (N/cFh)




I'd be happy to, except it's not quite a recipe...



Take a small baking dish, and wet the bottom with olive oil (EVOO, for the foodies). Throw in a goodly amount of minced garlic (although granulated or powdered dry garlic works, as does garlic paste). Add dried herbs liberally -- I like basil, savory, and sometimes oregano, but anything that is getting old in your spice cabinet will probably work. Stir everything so it's evenly distributed on the bottom. Then take a bunch of tomatoes and chop into chunks about 3/4" - 1" on a side and toss 'em in. Heirlooms are awesome, but lean toward paste tomatoes (Roma) because you want more flesh than liquid. Once everyone is in, smoosh 'em down a little, but not too much because you want the top surface to be rough.



Then throw 'em in to whatever oven you intend to use for whatever else you intend to cook. Take 'em out when some of the exposed tips turn brown.


The theory, such as it is, underlying this is that the tomatoes will sweat moisture and create a rising layer of EVOO/herbs/garlic/tomato mixture that will rise through the melting tomato chunks, while the mixture dries and intensifies flavor and complexity.


It makes a great accompaniment to just about anything you're roasting or baking -- and it works for roast/bake/convection/standard from 325-425 degrees. The brown tips are a tipoff. You could even do it on a grill.


For the BH and I, about 4 romas and 1/2 t of garlic work -- YMMV.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 09:19 PM (T1005)

377 "IIRC you are in IL? I'm in Dixon, whereabouts r u?"

Some family previously from IL.

All now safely removed beyond the sphere of exaction, as Mencken put it.

I myself am not beyond that sphere, being in Commiefornia, land of exaction in extremis. Currently plotting an escape trajectory, but unsure as to where precisely.

Bugs the hell out of me that my ancestors came to America looking for a place to be free, and here I am born and raised in America, and am now looking for that again.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 09:21 PM (gqT4g)

378 Alvin Holmes on Hannity.

If you replace "Uncle Tom" with something like "race traitor" his philosophy is indistinguishable from the KKK.

I am not twisting his words, just trying to replace "Uncle Tom" with a comparable term for white racists. He said black people must only vote in the interests of black people or they are "Uncle Toms."

Posted by: Beagle at February 24, 2014 11:09 PM (sOtz/)



Which is where I would jump right down Mr. Holmes' throat with:

1.  Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN;

2.  So was the Army of the Potomac;

3.  Here's the list of my 24 (out of 139 who fought) distant relatives with the relatively rare last name who DIED in the American Civil War fighting for the North;

4.  Robert Byrd was a DEMOCRAT; 

5.  How stupid could you possibly be to think that black people voting for DEMOCRATS has ever done anything more than enslave your people after MY people died to free them?

. . .


. . .


. . .


. . .


Then I would probably call him "PORTERHOUSE!!!!" as loudly as I could, like Judge Smails in Caddyshack did to the guy buffing his golf shoes, just because I'm mean.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 24, 2014 09:21 PM (8+xjO)

379 No problem, Carol -- it is super-forgiving and really good for being so easy. I'm glad you enjoyed. Posted by: cthulhu at February 25, 2014 12:49 AM (T1005) I made them for a side while my older brother made steaks in his apartment. I like using the over this time of the year, I leave it open when things are done for an additional blast of heat in the kitchen. I am still waiting for a new contract from MA saves for insulation. Kitchen is probably 5 degrees colder than my living room.

Posted by: Carol at February 24, 2014 09:22 PM (z4WKX)

380 So a more than good friend (mentor, advisor etc) didn't meet me a few days ago, then didn't answer emails... Here he was hospitalized... He is "OK," but I am not being told what is wrong (I assume it is depression/grief or a suicide attempt). I had a bad feeling, and told someone else, who acted like I was silly. Sometimes you just know something is wrong...

Posted by: Baldy at February 24, 2014 09:24 PM (2bql3)

381

shredded chi--have always given the dog real beef bones.

 

Every time we go to the vet they start the rap about "well he's getting old and his teeth are probably OH hey!  they look GREAT!  You must brush them regularly!"  "uh, no, never, we just give him bones when we grill..."  "oh that's not good for them at all!"  "mmm."

 

The dog's teeth are the only thing that isn't starting to fall apart on him--blown ACLs, blind, etc etc etc, but his teeth are MARVELOUS.

Posted by: barbarausa at February 24, 2014 09:24 PM (WWeoI)

382 #371

No BLTs. Just L on some bread with maybe a condiment of some sort.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 24, 2014 09:25 PM (bPxS6)

383 380 So a more than good friend (mentor, advisor etc) didn't meet me a few days ago, then didn't answer emails... Here he was hospitalized... He is "OK," but I am not being told what is wrong (I assume it is depression/grief or a suicide attempt). I had a bad feeling, and told someone else, who acted like I was silly. Sometimes you just know something is wrong...
Posted by: Baldy at February 25, 2014 01:24 AM (2bql3) Hide posts from (2bql3)



Sorry to hear, Baldy....is he somewhere you could drop by?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 09:25 PM (T1005)

384 The problem these days, as someone noted... is the sheer number of conspiracy-theory-esque stuff that's being revealed as actually happening. How do you convince regular people who aren't really paying attention that some of that raving loony-bin stuff really is going on? The mind boggles to the point where I have to keep wondering if I'm not really on the verge of becoming a tinfoil hat wearing loony myself. Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 11:56 PM (l9mhS) I have the same problem jr. Try telling my wife about some of the nutty stuff revealed here and she just wants to shut down. She really didn't want to hear about the Sandra Y. L. nutjob or the idea of post-abortion, aka children's murder. This world is worse than I imagined might happen when I read 1984, This Perfect Day or Farenheit 451.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 09:27 PM (eBupg)

385 Posted by: cthulhu at February 25, 2014 01:25 AM (T1005) --- I have no idea. His partner told me very little, (email just saying he is OK and in hospital, and probably unavailable for weeks). I will wait and see if I get  reply ro my question email I sent. Have to take mom to appt tomorrow, so Tues is no good. I do not know if he even would want visitors.

Posted by: Baldy at February 24, 2014 09:31 PM (2bql3)

386 Well thanks for the concern, cthulhu - I should try to start winding down for bed since I have to take crazy (literally) mom to doc in pm, and it wears me out.

Posted by: Baldy at February 24, 2014 09:33 PM (2bql3)

387 "I am still waiting for a new contract from MA saves for insulation. Kitchen is probably 5 degrees colder than my living room."

I have visited Massachusetts in the winter. Ugh.

No matter where you are, make the choice to button up and insulate your house only with a careful eye to second-order effects. For instance: make the house tighter so heat can't escape? Neither can moisture.

Heat plus moisture equals mold. Ugh again.

Fast-buck government-subsidized insulation cowboys couldn't care less. In and out and away with the money. Downstream difficulties are left for you to grapple with.

I think in many ways the optimal strategy for leaky drafty older homes in cold climates is to subsidize doing precisely nothing, eating the heating costs and dressing warmly indoors, until the structure ages out and is replaced by a properly engineered energy-efficient building.

(Which is really effing hard to design and implement even when starting from bare-lot scratch.)

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 09:33 PM (gqT4g)

388 The cheapest ground beef at Trader Joe's just went up to $4.99/lb. It was $1.99 a few years ago. Good thing there's no inflation or I couldn't afford it!

Posted by: t-bird at February 24, 2014 09:33 PM (FcR7P)

389

Always liked the jambalaya MRE the best.  Didn't have MREs very often, mostly ate the (surprisingly good and always getting better) KBR food at the dining facility.  But jambalaya MREs became a sort of personal tradition while waiting for my luxurious flight at Baghdad airport (military side).  Loved the little Tabasco bottle. 

 

This held true even when the Subway and other small food franchises appeared at the BIAP facility.

 

Meanwhile, mere 100s of yards away, across the road and a few T-walls, in Camp Cropper, Saddam was eating a lot better.  But he didn't have the Kuwait aiport Starbucks to look forward to.

 

Posted by: non-purist at February 24, 2014 09:35 PM (afQnV)

390 385 Posted by: cthulhu at February 25, 2014 01:25 AM (T1005) --- I have no idea. His partner told me very little, (email just saying he is OK and in hospital, and probably unavailable for weeks). I will wait and see if I get reply ro my question email I sent. Have to take mom to appt tomorrow, so Tues is no good. I do not know if he even would want visitors.
Posted by: Baldy at February 25, 2014 01:31 AM (2bql3) Hide posts from (2bql3)



Sometimes, those "unwanted" visits are the ones you are most proud of, later. Of course, sometimes they're not. Weigh things carefully.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 09:35 PM (T1005)

391 The cheapest ground beef at Trader Joe's just went up to $4.99/lb. It was $1.99 a few years ago. Good thing there's no inflation or I couldn't afford it!

Posted by: t-bird at February 25, 2014 01:33 AM (FcR7P)


fuck that's expensive. Around here it's $3 a pound for some good 80/20 at the store and a lot cheaper by just buying quarter/half/whole cows

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 09:36 PM (bStrg)

392 So has anyone asked Remington Steele his feelings on this being named after a weapon?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2014 09:36 PM (iVmdV)

393 388 The cheapest ground beef at Trader Joe's just went up to $4.99/lb. It was $1.99 a few years ago. Good thing there's no inflation or I couldn't afford it! Posted by: t-bird at February 25, 2014 01:33 AM (FcR7P) Hide posts from (FcR7P)



We're still bouncing around $3.99/lb. for whole boneless chicken breasts or 80% ground beef here, in Silicon Valley.



And for all of you with more than an acre.....raise chickens onsite. It'll compliment your investments in lead and brass as things continue.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 09:41 PM (T1005)

394 Hey The Dude, need some Super Sonico?
http://tinyurl.com/lgnmxo2

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2014 09:42 PM (iVmdV)

395 BTW -- that link regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gibeah ?



Shows the ugly side of the ME that pre-dates Judaism or Islam.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 09:44 PM (T1005)

396 @384 This world is worse than I imagined might happen when I read 1984, This Perfect Day or Farenheit 451. -------------------- Farenheit 451 is actually a better fit than you might think. One of the frequently overlooked elements of the story is the escapism that pervades the society. iirc, a status symbol in the book is having multiple walls in your home that are giant televisions. And the narrator's wife at one point (I think when we first meet her) has to have her stomach pumped because she ODed on drugs. Everyone focuses on the book burning in the novel, but the entire society has become a decadent place where hedonism is used to keep everyone distracted from what's going on. The same thing happens in Brave New World.

Posted by: junior at February 24, 2014 09:45 PM (l9mhS)

397 the entire society has become a decadent place where hedonism is used to keep everyone distracted from what's going on. What is Brazil?

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:48 PM (ngmIt)

398 What is Brazil?

Country or movie?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 24, 2014 09:49 PM (iVmdV)

399 On top of that, there was a nasty incident in the late 19th century when a Ugandan king burned a bunch of young Christian men to death in part because of their refusal to have sex with him, St. Charles Lwanga and Companions, both Catholic and Anglican.

Posted by: Fox2! at February 24, 2014 09:50 PM (cHwSy)

400 The country.

Posted by: garrett at February 24, 2014 09:51 PM (ngmIt)

401 Cthulhu and his fancy recipes. Makes me feel ghetto... know what I made for dinner tonight? My World Famous, Gourmet biscuit pizzas. I used the recipe I learned back when, oh let's say long enough ago that Mac Davis was still popular & had a variety show.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 09:53 PM (6JAAh)

402 #393

Damn, that is high. I could pay that here if I didn't pay attention but there is always at least one of the venues with $1.99 or less on boneless chicken breasts. Vallarta had $1.69 recently and I picked up two packages. One is still in the freezer due to losing the use of our kitchen for many days. We don't have the oven back yet but I should be able to do something with the toaster oven.

It used to be very frequent that one of the supermarkets would have London Broil for $1.99 or less but it is now 'special' if it is offered for $2.99. This could become a mere memory with the drought slamming beef production.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 24, 2014 09:54 PM (bPxS6)

403 So what's the consensus on giving the doggie actual bones? Even if I had money, I would go broke buying this little guy rawhides. I remember years ago, I used to get giant beef bones for free from a local butcher for my lab. Even Fuddruckers would give me free ones. I know some say it's a bad idea, but natural has to be better than the chemically infused craps I can buy. Posted by: shredded chi I know they always say no bones, but we used to bring home big beef bones when we worked in the restaurant biz. Never any problems. Years later, recently the new dog got into the garbage, ate most of the bones of a whole chicken. We were worried, np. I wouldn't recommend real bones. Vet costs could be too much if they cause a problem. But a big ass bone they can't chew up much might work, I just remembered, the big one was from what we called a steamboat round of beef that was on the buffet.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 09:54 PM (eBupg)

404 really getting into this Takahiro Kido

Smile Spotter Chronicle
http://youtu.be/YfIZk1Ze4X4

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 10:01 PM (bStrg)

405 Raising minimum wage will cover the 30-60 percent raise in food prices. Equality..do you speak it? Math and econ not so much.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 10:02 PM (MtC8f)

406 401 Cthulhu and his fancy recipes. Makes me feel ghetto...
know what I made for dinner tonight?
My World Famous, Gourmet biscuit pizzas. I used the recipe I learned back when, oh let's say long enough ago that Mac Davis was still popular & had a variety show. Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 01:53 AM (6JAAh) Hide posts from (6JAAh)



Fancy? I'm carrying on a family tradition.



My paternal grandfather was a sheepherder in western Colorado. A bunch of guys would run sheep out into far pastures for the summer, and bring 'em back down for shearing in spring and slaughter in fall. My dad drove a Model A Ford to SoCal and put himself through an undergrad in Math and two Engineering Master's programs -- and retired as the #2 Engineer for the City of Los Angeles.



Only in November of last year did I think to ask my dad what his father did in the group of sheepherders.



My paternal grandpa was the cook.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:02 PM (T1005)

407 cthulhu: If you are interested, here is a visual primer on rust on machine tools Got to Craigslist, select "SF Bay Area", the type in "lathes", then Sort by price, high to low/ Page 1 Metal Lathe - Antique Early 20th Century - $2500 (scotts valley) This lathe really does look to be close to 100 years old. Note that the chuck and ways are still bright, and that the tooling seems to have a minimal amount of patina. It looks like it was well cared-for, with a chance that it was restored recently. This condition looks good. However, the trash in the chip tray is troubling; perhaps the late was cared-for up until a few years ago, and is in danger of severe neglect. The point is that proper maintenance works. lathe - $1200 (SOMA / south beach) The pictures are very dark, but this lathe looks to be flogged. It probably has no rust, as it's covered in oil and some dirt. It could be in very good condition, if it was kept oiled and not severely abused. A good cleaning is needed, but I'm not going to look, as I suspect it has had several production jobs, and is worn out. atlas-craftsman metal lathe - $600 (santa cruz) This looks like it has been restored, at least the paint looks new. The model looks like one from the 30's or 40's. Note that the ways and chuck are not very bright, but they appear to be in very good shape. The chuck looks like it has an oil patina. This condition is acceptable. PRAZI LATHE $500 (san jose east) pic map general - by owner and MINI LATHE MACHINE $500 (san jose east) (very likely the same seller) This is an example of rust that cannot be excused. The lathe is small, and small enough to be carried anywhere, so there is no good reason for this amount of rust. Perhaps a disassembly and grinding could bring it back to satisfactory condition, but some views of the cross-slide and chuck jaws suggest that this might not be possible. The seller lists this unit in very good condition. I doubt that it is usable as it is, and that it can be made usable economically. This result is to be avoided. LittleMachineShop.com lists a denim lathe cover, Part Number 4646 with the following included item: "Metal-seeking Vapor Phase Corrosion Inhibitors (VpCI) from the 3-IN-ONE® No-Rust Shield migrate through an enclosed space to form an invisible layer that seals metals against air and moisture that can cause rust and corrosion. Protects exposed metal in enclosed spaces without harmful effect on electrical, mechanical or chemical properties." I have no experience with these products, but they (well, a mill cover) may aid you in preserving and maintaining your mill.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 24, 2014 10:03 PM (FlRtG)

408 At my local grocery store, meat prices are ridiculously expensive. I have started to look for anything with the "pink tag" - the stuff they have to sell that day or throw out. I buy what's available, then come home and use it within a day or freeze it. Most everything is half price that way. I might not get what I went looking for, but I save a lot. and the freezer is getting full, too.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 10:08 PM (W/b66)

409 no one else mentioning that they buy cows by the quarter or half makes me sad. I'm totally not a weirdo for currently having a cow and a half and a quarter pig in my freezers

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 10:14 PM (bStrg)

410 And back to the way earlier topic of militant gays - I call bullshit on Chloe Nelson. It's a troll trying to stir up shit. Only vocal on FB since January?

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 10:16 PM (MtC8f)

411 Posted by: Arbalest at February 25, 2014 02:03 AM (FlRtG) Hide posts from (FlRtG)



I really appreciate the links, but the current mill is "experimental" to the level of "it wouldn't really surprise me to blow it up". If it were a $2500 Bridgeport, I wouldn't be nearly as flippant -- but it's a $400 Harbor Freight.



That said, I certainly don't want to get close to a hazardous condition for its operator (me!). And I really want to get the best mileage out of it that I can.



I'm working on removing the red "political prisoner" shipping grease and applying a thin layer of Mobil1, but if something gets some rust, I can still polish it out and learn from my error.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:16 PM (T1005)

412 Posted by: The Dude at February 25, 2014 02:14 AM (bStrg) If i had the space and resources.

Posted by: RWC at February 24, 2014 10:17 PM (MtC8f)

413 408 At my local grocery store, meat prices are ridiculously expensive. I have started to look for anything with the "pink tag" - the stuff they have to sell that day or throw out.

I buy what's available, then come home and use it within a day or freeze it. Most everything is half price that way. I might not get what I went looking for, but I save a lot.
and the freezer is getting full, too.
Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 02:08 AM (W/b66) Hide posts from (W/b66)



I do this, too.....except I have no extra freezer space. If I had more land, I could easily throw up an extra outbuilding with more food storage.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:20 PM (T1005)

414 Bugs the hell out of me that my ancestors came to America looking for a place to be free, and here I am born and raised in America, and am now looking for that again. Posted by: torquewrench That's part of why I came to the family farm here in Jan. 1980. After RR was elected I felt better and didn't feel we might be nuked by the Soviets and have to hunker down. It took a few years, he eliminated the threat we would be nuked that I grew up with. I could go on, but long story short...I'll take what's coming in rural IL. We are far removed from the Chicago disease.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 10:21 PM (eBupg)

415 409 no one else mentioning that they buy cows by the quarter or half makes me sad. I'm totally not a weirdo for currently having a cow and a half and a quarter pig in my freezers
Posted by: The Dude at February 25, 2014 02:14 AM (bStrg) Hide posts from (bStrg)



See @413.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:21 PM (T1005)

416 I'm working on removing the red "political prisoner" shipping grease ... ArcEuroTrade in Britain has an online .PDF about disassembling, de-greasing, properly lubricating and reassembling you mill. Apparently, quite a few people get good results from the mill after the process.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 24, 2014 10:23 PM (FlRtG)

417 A great rust inhibitor spray is LPS3.As you step down to LPS2 to LPS1 they get less greasy. Good stuff and it smells great (well that's probably nostalgia from my youth).

Posted by: The Hickster at February 24, 2014 10:27 PM (TI3xG)

418 Forgot the link

http://www.lpslabs.com/product-details/612

Posted by: The Hickster at February 24, 2014 10:28 PM (TI3xG)

419 416
I'm working on removing the red "political prisoner" shipping grease ...


ArcEuroTrade in Britain has an online .PDF about disassembling, de-greasing, properly lubricating and reassembling you mill. Apparently, quite a few people get good results from the mill after the process.
Posted by: Arbalest at February 25, 2014 02:23 AM (FlRtG) Hide posts from (FlRtG)



Do you have a link to that? I'm doing it based on a cobbling together a bunch of posts from various sources.


A lot of people say that it's an ok mill if you do basic things -- and can be a very good mill if you do others.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:29 PM (T1005)

420 Dude, you're not weird at all. I did that last year with the ex. She thought I was crazy at the time, but I bet she still has meat in her freezer from that trip to Central Meats. Now that I'm single, when you say "cow in the freezer" I think of somethin totally different. And prison time.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 10:30 PM (ENe42)

421 #408

That is very much part of my shopping strategy. The Chinese Chicken salad we had tonight had a bag of Tyson chicken chunks in it that had been marked half off at Pavillions. One of four bags I bought that day.

That particular store can be tricky because they occasionally mark stuff way down just because it's overstocked or some other unspecified reason. If it isn't being clearance because of a looming sell by date or it was discontinued they don't use any special tags. It's just the regular signage with an unusually low price. A few months ago they had packages of BBQ ribs that were normally around $20 going for $2.50. I grabbed as much as I thought would fit in our freezer and some more for dinner that night. I would have bought many more if the space were available.

Posted by: Epobirs at February 24, 2014 10:30 PM (bPxS6)

422 Piers Morgan has always been an odious little man.


Off to read comments. Evening roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 24, 2014 10:31 PM (xa1/W)

423 It's official -- the alarm goes off in 8 hours.....I'm on borrowed time.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:34 PM (T1005)

424 Every so often my hubby (the chef of our duo) goes on a systematic program of cooking through the strata of frozen meat packages down to the wire shelves. Then the build-up can start again... Well last week he got down to the geological layer of some impulses purchases of mine at an ethnic market. Like "lamb melts." No, not lamb meat with melted cheese. Turns out "melt" is archaic euphemism for "spleen." You know you're on thin culinary ice when googling about the ingredient yields only one recipe...from a book called "Unmentionable Cuisine." (For the record, taste is like a lighter and livelier liver; texture is surprisingly velvety -- yea, even "melty" -- but your teeth need to tear through the most unyielding membrane to get to it.)

Posted by: Sister Sestina at February 24, 2014 10:37 PM (Em6d4)

425 http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/ http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/projects.aspx Apologies ... the PDFs are for the C-3 mill, not the X2. http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/links.aspx Links http://www.mini-lathe.com/Mini_mill/Main/mini-mill.htm X-2 mill stuff, and many lathe articles.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 24, 2014 10:38 PM (FlRtG)

426 Cooth, if you're going to be up for a minute I'll send you a quick email. My new phone only has your email address under contacts... It can wait until tomorrow though - was just going to give you my new #.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 10:42 PM (ngXRR)

427 yay, finally ordered a new spokeshave

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 10:50 PM (bStrg)

428 424 Every so often my hubby (the chef of our duo) goes on a systematic program of cooking through the strata of frozen meat packages down to the wire shelves. Then the build-up can start again...

Well last week he got down to the geological layer of some impulses purchases of mine at an ethnic market.

Like "lamb melts."

No, not lamb meat with melted cheese. Turns out "melt" is archaic euphemism for "spleen."

You know you're on thin culinary ice when googling about the ingredient yields only one recipe...from a book called "Unmentionable Cuisine."

(For the record, taste is like a lighter and livelier liver; texture is surprisingly velvety -- yea, even "melty" -- but your teeth need to tear through the most unyielding membrane to get to it.) Posted by: Sister Sestina at February 25, 2014 02:37 AM (Em6d4) Hide posts from (Em6d4)



That sounds like an eminently practical arrangement.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 10:57 PM (T1005)

429 Chi -- we have connection. Are you up-to-date on emails?

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 11:00 PM (T1005)

430 427 yay, finally ordered a new spokeshave ____________ I had to google "spokeshave" & from the looks of the pics that came up, I'm glad I decided to go full-on Duck Dynasty six months ago!

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 11:00 PM (H2rc6)

431 429 Chi -- we have connection. Are you up-to-date on emails? _______________ I think so. I might still owe Carol one. ? Still figuring this thing out. I did find some cool new buttons, though - ♧♣☆★↑↓←→ and there are more. I had &&&& beforev the new phone, though.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 11:13 PM (MRbZD)

432 429 Chi -- we have connection. Are you up-to-date on emails? _______________ I think so. I might still owe Carol one. ? Still figuring this thing out. I did find some cool new buttons, though - ♧♣☆★↑↓←→ and there are more. I had &&&& beforev the new phone, though.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 11:13 PM (MRbZD)

433 I had to google "spokeshave" & from the looks of the pics that came up, I'm glad I decided to go full-on Duck Dynasty six months ago!

Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 03:00 AM (H2rc6)


needed a new one for my business. Bought a Veritas' large one. Though I feel sick for dropping $125 for one, the quality is supposed to be great and I really needed a new one

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 11:14 PM (bStrg)

434 I had to google "spokeshave" & from the looks of the pics that came up, I'm glad I decided to go full-on Duck Dynasty six months ago!

Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 03:00 AM (H2rc6)


needed a new one for my business. Bought a Veritas' large one. Though I feel sick for dropping $125 for one, the quality is supposed to be great and I really needed a new one

Posted by: The Dude at February 24, 2014 11:14 PM (bStrg)

435 431 429 Chi -- we have connection. Are you up-to-date on emails?
_______________

I think so. I might still owe Carol one. ?
Still figuring this thing out.

I did find some cool new buttons, though - ♧♣☆★↑↓←→
and there are more.

I had &&&& beforev the new phone, though. Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 03:13 AM (MRbZD) Hide posts from (MRbZD)



Wish I had ampersands, but I'm not willing to go Apple fanboi to get 'em, especially with regard to http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=228737

Posted by: cthulhu at February 24, 2014 11:17 PM (T1005)

436 396 @384 This world is worse than I imagined might happen. The same thing happens in Brave New World. Posted by: junior at February 25, 2014 01:45 AM (l9mhS) Good call. In my imaginary world, all HS students would have to read (and past tests on, I'm a cruel bastard): Brave New World 1984 Fahrenheit 541 This Perfect Day Animal Farm And no I'm not including Atlas Shrugged. Way too long cept for those that are smarter? and likely like not to die of boredom. Freedom lives. Don't let it die. T

Posted by: The Farmer at February 24, 2014 11:17 PM (eBupg)

437 "Cause I would totally put my bra back on."

stop blaspheming girl!

Posted by: John Lennon at February 24, 2014 11:21 PM (bjND7)

438 "Well last week he got down to the geological layer of some impulses purchases of mine at an ethnic market. Like 'lamb melts.' No, not lamb meat with melted cheese. Turns out 'melt' is archaic euphemism for 'spleen.'"

I learn something every day. That is today's installment.

In general I have found that organ meats are best when ground and sausaged.

WRT what other Morons have said about buying tagged last-day meats, the local markets vary. There are some around here where they'll refund your money if you later return with the receipt and claim the meat had gone off by the time you got it home (as has happened). Others will shrug and note that its expiring status had been noted.

I find it amusing that two centuries ago, aged meat was sometimes referred to as "seasoned" or "aired" and regarded as a mark of class and status. I confer no such distinctions. And cook the blazes out of it for a good long time.

However, we have some Asian specialty markets around here who will happily sell old fish. Er, no. That's my personal limit. I can barely walk in the store. The smell can knock me to me knees. It's interesting to note the intra-Asian ethnic distinctions here. Japanese will not buy gone-off fish at any price: it's either purely fresh or starvation. Other Asians will avidly buy it for 20% off the price of fresh.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 11:22 PM (gqT4g)

439 Now that I'm single, when you say "cow in the freezer" I think of somethin totally different. And prison time.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 02:30 AM (ENe42)



It gets better. Eventually.



Back to work now, later roonz and roonettez. Fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 24, 2014 11:26 PM (xa1/W)

440 "This Perfect Day"

Well, that takes me back. I can't remember when I last read that book, but it was pre-1980. I flashed on the author: Ira Levin, surely.

And while the others you list are (or were) canonical Literature with a capital L, it isn't clear that TPD ever attained that status. Perhaps because it came out after the long-march-through-the-institutions began?

Trying to think of what I would put on a mandatory reading syllabus which a high schooler could get through, which would give a quick view of how terrestrial Utopias can go terribly wrong.

I would have to say _One Day In The Life Of Ivan Denisovich_.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 11:31 PM (gqT4g)

441 However, we have some Asian specialty markets around here who will happily sell old fish... _______ There is an "International Market" around the corner that I was going to try tomorrow. It's as large as a small WalMart. It seems like a combo Asian market & grocery store. The one time I walked in the smell knocked me back out the front doors. I think it's every ethnic food/spice known to man under one roof. But I keep hearing that the produce section alone is worth going there. And they supposedly have a great butcher (maybe I can get some doggie bones?). Who know? It's a mile or so away, so I'm going to give it a try.

Posted by: shredded chi at February 24, 2014 11:40 PM (MRbZD)

442 "I think it's every ethnic food/spice known to man under one roof."

There can be some great bargains and/or great lessons.

Good luck! Hope you find some bones which the doggeh will enjoy.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 24, 2014 11:58 PM (gqT4g)

443 So I'm really terrified.  I live in Northern California, and just heard that 20 children in my area have become partially to completely paralyzed from some as-yet discovered virus (except they don't really even know that for certain).  All of these cases in less than a year.  It looks like athsma, until a limb (or two, or...) goes dead.  The effects are irreversible and there is no treatment even if spotted early.

And now that they're finally going public with this news, they're telling everyone that they consider it an "extremely rare phenomenon" and nothing to panic about.  Sure, 20 cases in one specific geographic region in less than a year.  But they won't tell us exactly which cities these cases are in (privacy, dontchaknow).  Only one for sure is Berkeley, but other news sources hint that Monterey and San Francisco has cases as well.

I don't even know what I'm more scared of anymore; a disease I can't possible protect my little girl from, or all the obfuscating liars in charge of EVERYTHING today.  But I know I am more scared than I've ever been in my life.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 25, 2014 12:00 AM (WtVhX)

444 "And now that they're finally going public with this news, they're telling everyone that they consider it an 'extremely rare phenomenon' and nothing to panic about. Sure, 20 cases in one specific geographic region in less than a year."

One specific geographic region where antivaccinationist sentiment is at the highest level of the country, to be sure.

I strongly suspect that when and if the etiology and natural history of this bug is sorted out, it will prove to be a cousin of a good old pathogen that has been around for a while, yet was masked in its effect because of vaccinations. The very same vaccinations which hip yuppie liberal Bay Area parents have shunned. (Note what has happened with, say, mumps.)

But at least in that case there would be a countermeasure. Vaccinate.

On the other hand? If we have an entirely new communicable viral disease which confers permanent paralysis polio-style? And for which there is no vaccine? Watch the urban centers empty out of all who can afford to move. Especially in the Bay Area. Commiefornia liberals venerate FDR, but there is no way on God's green Earth that they are ready to have their children end up similarly crippled.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 25, 2014 12:14 AM (gqT4g)

445 torquewrench,

I wish it was just non-vaccers that had to worry, but the girl in the Berkeley case was fully up-to-date on her vaccinations, as were 4 other cases mentioned by Packard Children's Hospital.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at February 25, 2014 12:35 AM (WtVhX)

446 Holy craps, Rusty. I don't know what to say, other than God be with you and your child. why haven't we heard about this? (Well, I guess I know) Good luck. Have you considered pulling the kid out of school & homeschooling? At least for the time being?

Posted by: shredded chi at February 25, 2014 12:45 AM (UC5Sf)

447 443 >> Two of the affected children tested positive for enterovirus-68, a virus that is usually associated with respiratory illness but which has been linked to polio-like illnesses as well.
 
It's definitely not polio, according to various reports. Just another bug busy trying to kill us off.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 12:46 AM (wNF3N)

448 What's up, Insomniac gray box people?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 25, 2014 12:47 AM (ojnk6)

449 Here's a link:
 
http://tinyurl.com/mypcflc

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 12:49 AM (wNF3N)

450 Busy checking out old Marshall Tucker Band stuff on youtube. They are coming to my town in April, and I owned at one point their first two albums.
 
Since I get free tics, I'ma goin'. But there is only one original band member in the current lineup, Doug Gray; at least he is the original lead singer.
 
See, I do listen to some country on rare occasions.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 12:54 AM (wNF3N)

451 MTB -- Can't You See
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BHJTMknipM
 
From their first album

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 01:05 AM (wNF3N)

452 Voter fraud in Iowa? Never heard if it:
 
http://tinyurl.com/n8d4bsl 80 case referred for possible prosecution.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 01:18 AM (wNF3N)

453 Do you use nicotine? Then don't bother applying at these places:
 
http://tinyurl.com/m3z769b
 
At least there is still one group of people it's okay to discriminate against.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 01:20 AM (wNF3N)

454 The EPA is doing badly in front of the SC about their latest power grab on CO2 emission regulations, per Dana Wilbank at WaPo:
 
http://tinyurl.com/mfdmr9x
 
Not a rollback, but a stopping of more regulatory expansion. Maybe.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 25, 2014 01:25 AM (wNF3N)

455 Four thirty. My brain thinks it's time to get up. Yesterday it was 5. Why, brain, why? Then, cat Charlie decides to prowl around the house meyowling at top volume, so I get up to let him and other cats outside. Then some wacko bird starts singing loudly outside the window. Nothing else to do but make coffee and sit here in the dark with my virtual friends and swap lies.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2014 01:57 AM (ZX0Je)

456 453 Same thing here, as far as the brain goes. No cats in da house though. Got the first day off in 2 weeks, and up before the Sun. Kinda blows. What's the current lie to top?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 25, 2014 02:01 AM (ojnk6)

457 hm. varying net connection this morning. if I suddenly vanish, it probably wasn't alien abduction. Hi, Man w/o. Would you join a party that would have you?

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2014 02:09 AM (RNijH)

458 Strengthening yourself in the morning with the Lord: http://tinyurl.com/pvfmunq

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2014 02:23 AM (XyM/Y)

459 Apparently Chloe Nelson referenced in the first comments is actually a gay man from the West Coast area so while he wants to indulge in gaystopo techniques, he doesn't want his real name out there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2014 02:27 AM (XyM/Y)

460 455 Depends on the cause. Pooitically, yes, although there's no one party that could define my views, hence the Nic. Socially? Probably not.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 25, 2014 02:30 AM (ojnk6)

461 Sorry-an elderly gay man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2014 02:32 AM (XyM/Y)

462 Gremlins in the cell with me this morning. My first Presidential vote went to the Libertarians. I wanted to encourage them, was confident Nixon had my state wrapped up anyway, and couldn't bring myself to vote for him but I sure wasn't going to vote for the Dem. It's been many years since the LP or any 3rd party (except the Clinton spoiler) was on my state ballot. The requirements are, I think, about as high as any state. It's understandable that some cutoff must exist so we don't have a mile-long ballot full of every kook who could file for candidacy. It's also understandable that people organize into like-minded groups to field candidates for office. But because government prints the ballots, and decides how one gets on those ballots, it's not hard for established parties to restrict 3rd-party access to the ballot. Result, effective one-party rule pretending to be competing parties. ——— Goodness, what a burst of words! Must have been the coffee hitting my system. Nood up?

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2014 02:33 AM (DgUzc)

463 "I hate proto-fascists..." In honor of Harold Ramis, today I hate Proto-plasm. RIP Harold

Posted by: RobM1981 at February 25, 2014 02:34 AM (zurJC)

464 460 Unfortunately, no nood. We're stuck here for a while.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 25, 2014 02:37 AM (ojnk6)

465 And now for the periodic, somewhat sporadic ammo report.
22LR.
4 E-Mail alerts came in yesterday for ammo at or under .06 per rd.
Was able to grab one offering from Cabela's.
All sold out within 15 minutes of the e-mail alert being received.

Without getting into the internet searchbot thing, and using the available alerts, you will be paying twice that price, easily.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 25, 2014 02:48 AM (NHZpR)

466 And...it worked.
Almost Willow-like,
NOOD!

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 25, 2014 02:55 AM (NHZpR)

467 Now the virtual keyboard is playing hide & go seek. I may not make it to the morning thread. But since it's working at the moment.... § I have my my Serious Questions about group prayer, public prayer, remote prayer, even effectiveness of prayer at all beyond internal adjustment and "placebo effect." Somewhat obliquely, maybe, I relate it to Jesus telling that poor old woman, trying to touch the hem of his garment is not actually what works. What does work, faith, I feel so mustard seedless. But sometimes y' just gotta let go of all the questions and rules.... so... Please spare a prayer for the strengthening in body and spirit of MJ, whose longstanding disorder has flared up, again. Might also be in its letting go stage, this time, fighting the latest remedy. But, she's been down that dead-end of false hope so often! More than two decades of prayer, doctors, medicines, treatments, seeming recession, repeated disappointing recurrance, and sometimes that which is worse than mere ill health, despair. God's will, God's will, not mine be done... but, Jesus, if it is not against our Father's will, give at last one healing tear of divine mercy for your wonderful, enduring, deserving daughter.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2014 03:18 AM (X66C/)

468 I will keep MJ in prayer, MWW.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2014 03:45 AM (XyM/Y)

469 Prayers for your daughter, the other children and that the officials go public and that a remedy is found for this illness.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 25, 2014 03:49 AM (XyM/Y)

470 Thank you, dear Fen. One slight misaprehension: I meant daughter of God, not of mine. Hope you catch this. Have a good day, Fen.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2014 04:00 AM (sKHit)

471 mww: Might MJ feel the embrace of God's Love. May our collective prayers warm her soul with the beauty of The Sun. Might our collective souls and prayers drive wishes of healing for your friend. *upon my knees I pray* ...In Jesus' Name, I Pray, *amen*

Posted by: Slapweasel at February 25, 2014 04:39 AM (lq3Ak)

472 The Gay Mafia and it's minions (and it's court system compadres) will not stop. Today starts the trial examining the constitutionality of the Michigan Constitutional Amendment passed in 2004 defining marriage as between a man and a woman(passed by 56% of the vote of state residents). The legal challenge has been brought by two lebians who have adopted three children and are wanting to get legally married and obtain benefits for themselves and their adopted children. The Constitutional Amendment has been upheld in the past, but the Gays have finally found a federal judge who says they have standing to bring this to trial. Did I mention they are originally from Canada?

Posted by: Jen at February 25, 2014 04:49 AM (XkXzn)

473 yeah, I hate being an idiot. I aspire to moron.

Posted by: mindful webworker at February 25, 2014 05:12 AM (rf20m)

474 What's scary about our proto-fascists, is that they already did this with the Prop 8 campaign in California. They illegally got donor information, and threatened and attacked prop 8 supporters. And since no one was prosecuted, you know they got help from symps in Government.

Posted by: Iblis at February 25, 2014 05:36 AM (U0ndG)

475 This is the predictable results when a depraved sexual neurosis is enabled and advocated as a moral "good" on a societal scale.



What else would you expect from a group of degenerates who celebrate the human sewer-hole as an acceptable moral equivalent to the natural design of the vagina.


The cultural acceptance of their depravity only fuels their subconscious guilt and self-loathing as it rages against their dysfunctional lifestyles - therefore the only outlet they can find for their hopeless conflict of self is an external assault of projection on their perceived "persucuters". This is the stuff of true fascism. And this will not end well.  

Posted by: Strife at February 25, 2014 06:59 AM (ZW1Ga)

476 I think Robert Oscar Lopez has the right of it in taking on the pink shirts. That we need to start thinking more of tackling this problem as a children's rights issue. Despite all the various stories of children being raised by same-sex couples getting good grades, excelling in athletics, or whatever, Lopez' premise is that every child has a right to a mother and a father. When a child without any capacity to speak for itself is severed or otherwise deprived of a parent in order to satisfy the adult whims of another parent, that is a dark thing. I'm not even just talking about physical separation, but legal, too, e.g. cases of kids not even so much as having a mother's name on a birth certificate because it was amended to the names of two men. The further down the rabbit hole this thing goes, the more children are treated as property to be bought and sold. Lopez (who himself is a bisexual raised by a lesbian couple) also tells some grim stories of how kids who dare to say that their lives in SSM households were anything other than brilliant are excoriated by pink shirts in the name of the Cause.

All in all, I think Lopez illustrates where a compelling argument can be made that has been mostly neglected up to this point.

Posted by: indignathan at February 25, 2014 11:05 AM (pN8ak)

477 I raised my son as a single mother.....however now when challenges come up regarding athletics...........he talks to his"dad"

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at February 27, 2014 11:13 PM (W3UHW)

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