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April 27, 2014

Overnight Open Thread (4-27-2014)
— Maetenloch

Long ago, Tacitus said "Proprium humani ingenii est odisse quem laeseris. (It is a principle of human nature to hate those whom you have injured.)" Or as people have more recently noted, the Europeans will never forgive the Jews for Auschwitz.

How Amsterdam Treated Holocaust Survivors Released from the Camps

They gave them no quarter on taxes or penalties. (H/T Betsy's Page)

Charlotte van den Berg was a 20-year-old college student working part-time in Amsterdam's city archives when she and other interns came across a shocking find: letters from Jewish Holocaust survivors complaining that the city was forcing them to pay back taxes and late payment fines on property seized after they were deported to Nazi death camps.
How, the survivors asked, could they be on the hook for taxes due while Hitler's regime was trying to exterminate them? A typical response was: "The base fees and the fines for late payment must be satisfied, regardless of whether a third party, legally empowered or not, has for some time held the title to the building."
...Amsterdam's official ruling of Sept. 12, 1947, a public document viewed by the AP, was that "the city has the right to full payment of fees and fines" and that most excuses - including that property had been seized by the Nazis - were invalid.

Jan Karski and Remembering Those Who Acted

Jan Karski was a professor at Georgetown University for 40 years (and had many famous students including Bill Clinton) but he's best known for his actions with the Polish Underground on behalf of the Jews during WWII.

Born Jan Kozielewski, he used Karski as his nom de guerre when after his escape from Soviet imprisonment (an army officer, he was captured when the Soviet Union invaded Poland as part of the Hitler-Stalin pact) and joined the Polish Home Army. During the course of his activities in the underground, Karski, a Polish Catholic, was smuggled in and out of the Warsaw Ghetto and a transit point for the Belzec death camp. In 1942 he brought proof of the reality of the Holocaust to first Britain and then the following year to the United States when, under the sponsorship of the free Polish government in exile, he spread the news of the extermination of the Jews to American leaders including Roosevelt, Secretary of State Cordell Hull, Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, and William Donovan, the chief of the Office of Strategic Services, the wartime forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency. As he later told the story, in his own writings, Roosevelt was silent when Karski discussed the fate of the Jews, asking questions only about the conditions of horses in Poland. Frankfurter, a Jew, said that while he didn't question Karski's honesty, he nevertheless "could not believe him." Karski was shocked at the Allied leaders' refusal to act on his knowledge even to bomb the railroad tracks to the death camps when that became possible.

Jan KarskiÂ’s example, as well as the failure of those who chose not to listen to him, stands as a reminder that all the tears wept today about the Holocaust are meaningless if they are not accompanied by action to ensure that contemporary atrocities are not halted or prevented

Mark Steyn on Quoting Churchill While It's Still Allowed

He wrote this a decade ago:

In The River War (1899), Winston Churchill's account of the Sudanese campaign, there's a memorable passage which I reproduce here while I'm still able to:
'How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

'Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.'
Is that grossly offensive to Muslims? Almost certainly. Is it also a rather shrewd and pertinent analysis by one of Britain's most eminent leaders? I think so. If Blunkett bans the sentiments in that first sentence, the sentiments of the last will prove even more pertinent.

And now publicly quoting this in the UK is enough to get you arrested:

Yesterday, in Hampshire, Paul Weston, the chairman of a newish political party called Liberty GB and a candidate in next month's European elections, was speaking on the steps of Winchester Guildhall and quoted that same Churchill passage. A half-dozen police officers arrested him and took him away in a police van.

Oh and you're not allowed to reference the brutal public murder of Lee Rigby either.

Dartmouth Bans White People From Using the Word 'Fiesta'

Because of cultural appropriation and racism or some such. Apparently a fraternity and sorority were sponsoring a fundraiser for cardiac care with a Cinco de mayo theme and dared to call it a 'Phiesta'. A single student complained so it now it all has to be banned. (H/T to JustTheTip)

This time, the fracas is over a fundraiser for cardiac care that the Phi Delta Alpha fraternity and the Alpha Phi sorority had planned to jointly sponsor, reports Campus Reform.
Problems arose because a single student, junior Daniela Hernandez, was offended by the party's theme of "Phiesta."

As a result, the soiree, which was scheduled for Saturday, has been canceled by the presidents of the respective Greek organizations.

Had the party happened, it would have included a live band as well as virgin piÃƒÂ±a coladas and strawberry daiquiris. There would also have been burritos, chips and salsa, and guacamole.

The cash raised at the event would have gone to benefit cardiac treatments.

However, Hernandez's deep offense about racial insensitivity was enough to call it off.
The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color" declared in an angry email that "there are various problematic structures and ideologies regarding a Cinco de Mayo-inspired event," according to Campus Reform.

CNN Analyst Welches on Bet After Andrew Branca Wins "Stand-Your-Ground" Debate

To lose your honor over a measly $100 well I guess for CNN-types that's still cheaper than ever admitting you were wrong.

One of the people on the anti-SYG side of things was Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst. At one point her debate partner. Attorney Rice-Lave, made the statement that it was "indisputed" that George Zimmerman had gotten out of his car after being told by police not to.
Well, I pretty much know the relevant 911 audio by heart, and knew that was wrong. Zimmerman never was ordered not to get out of his car.

I immediately offered her a $100 wager that Zimmerman had never been told by police to stay in his car.

While Rice-Lave paused in silence, Sunny Hostin (participating via Skype) said "I'll take that bet."

The next morning I sent Sunny the link to the 911 audio, which lacked any mention of the police telling Zimmerman to stay in his car, and offered to send her my mailing address so she could send me my $100.
She has not paid, changed the subject when I contacted her on Twitter, and now refuses to communicate on the issue.

What I Learned in Engineering School (12 things)

And if you didn't learn it in school, you'll learn it through hard-earned experience.

Working faster doesn't save money. When a production schedule is accelerated, savings are often expected through reduced indirect costs such as overhead, equipment rental, insurance, supervision, and utilities. Direct costs such as labor, materials, and equipment are expected to stay constant, because the same amount of work is being done. In practice, however, faster work produces confusion, errors, substandard
quality, and overtime pay, ultimately increasing costs.

Baseball Fandom by Region

This Year the Casual Straitjacket Look Is In

Weekly Commenter Standings

Top 10 commenters:
1 [659 comments] 'tangonine' [92.51 posts/day]
2 [644 comments] 'sven10077'
3 [433 comments] 'Anna Puma (+SmuD)'
4 [389 comments] 'Mike Hammer'
5 [389 comments] 'Misanthropic Humanitarian '
6 [377 comments] 'Niedermeyer's Dead Horse'
7 [376 comments] 'Boss Moss'
8 [369 comments] 'EC'
9 [339 comments] 'Insomniac'
10 [314 comments] 'thunderb'

Top 10 sockpuppeteers:
1 [65 names] 'Brandon In Baton Rouge' [9.12 unique names/day]
2 [60 names] 'Cicero (@cicero)'
3 [52 names] 'The Political Hat'
4 [48 names] 'Islamic Rage Boy'
5 [37 names] 'Prez'nit 404'
6 [30 names] 'Hate Miser'
7 [25 names] 'Mike Hammer'
8 [25 names] 'noone, really'
9 [24 names] 'kbdabear'
10 [23 names] 'Ricardo Kill'

The group. Yeah.

Where it's at - the Twitter

Tonight's post brought to you by four Wongs and a Wright:

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1 Yo

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 06:37 PM (HVff2)

2 Woot woot

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 06:37 PM (HVff2)

3 Damn you

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 06:37 PM (GEICT)

4 :-) BC

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 06:38 PM (HVff2)

5 Here is the "News of the Week" compilation of the news More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=5650

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 06:38 PM (AymDN)

6 Yo soy fiesta.

Posted by: Rob Gronkowski at April 27, 2014 06:39 PM (GW/jL)

7 An excellent varies ONT

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 06:41 PM (HVff2)

8 Not on the wall of shame. Sweet.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 06:41 PM (ojnk6)

9 The Good/Cheap/Fast Venn diagram almost applies to women as well. [ducks and runs]

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 06:41 PM (GW/jL)

10 Anakin Wong was later adopted by a Tatooine family, changed his name to Skywalker, and the rest is history.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:42 PM (mx5oN)

11 >>>How Amsterdam Treated Holocaust Survivors Released from the Camps
They gave them no quarter on taxes or penalties. <<<

That's fucked up. They should've just gone after their grand-kids, many years later.

Posted by: the IRS at April 27, 2014 06:42 PM (IlmuV)

12 9 The Good/Cheap/Fast Venn diagram almost applies to women as well. [ducks and runs] Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 10:41 PM (GW/jL) The Good and Cheap circles are way too large.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:44 PM (mx5oN)

13 Somebody named their child "Anakin"? Oh, that's just wong.

Posted by: Null at April 27, 2014 06:44 PM (xjpRj)

14 This was a pretty rage inducing ONT all around. *drinks*

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2014 06:45 PM (hFL/3)

15 Cinco de Mayo is just like St. Patrick's Day: An excuse to eat Americanized ethnic food and get drunk on "ethnic" booze while pretending to be an ethnicity that you mostly (if at all) are not.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 06:47 PM (AymDN)

16 Tonight's post brought to you by four Wongs and a Wright: One of these things is not like the other things One of these things does not belong

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:47 PM (mx5oN)

17 I'd name my kid Vader before I'd name him Anakin.

Posted by: not the mama at April 27, 2014 06:47 PM (5dxeo)

18 Top.People.In.Charge .. No, this is not a joke .. ItÂ’s Come to This: State Department Nitwit Jen Psaki Now Tweeting Think Progress and Daily Kos Links http://tinyurl.com/lswzvvy

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (aTXUx)

19 Aloha!

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (T1005)

20 We have our eye on you young Skywalker.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (l0lja)

21 13 Somebody named their child "Anakin"? Oh, that's just wong. Posted by: Null at April 27, 2014 10:44 PM (xjpRj) ANNIIIIIEEEE!

Posted by: Jar Jar ("The Key To All This") Binks at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (WlWt+)

22 Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2014 10:45 PM (hFL/3)

Thanks. I'm not the only one who thought so.

I'm pretty much in the mood to watch everything burn.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (AC0lD)

23 Was going to lay down some snark about Roosevelt being a liberal/Democrat hero despite turning his back on millions of Jews he could have done something to save. Then, realized, yeah, the Democrats were the party of Slavery and the KKK. Further realized the current occupant of the White House could fuck a dead girl while eating a live baby on national TV and nobody would give a shit and he'd remain president.

Fucking depressing. We lose to people who are inherently evil and show it more and more every day.

Posted by: Sharkman at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (gyu75)

24 Yesterday, in Hampshire, Paul Weston, the chairman of a newish political party called Liberty GB and a candidate in next month's European elections, was speaking on the steps of Winchester Guildhall and quoted that same Churchill passage. A half-dozen police officers arrested him and took him away in a police van. If CAIR has its way, this will be the US soon enough.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:48 PM (mx5oN)

25 pretty heavy content for an ont. and rev wright could have been on the list and amazed i didn't make the wall of shame. also hope all 'had a day.' and got to the evening unscathed.

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2014 06:49 PM (nqBYe)

26 I'm willing to offer a deal on "cultural appropriation": I'm willing to give up any "appropriation" of other non-Western cultures, if they give up any aspect (and benefit) of Western civilization. So, to all the anti-"appropriators", I will be expecting you to hand over your medicine, use of mathematics, engineering, chemistry, &c., as well as the polymer-containing clothes right off your backs.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 06:49 PM (AymDN)

27 The Dutch alas are tragically human. It was not only the Jews that got treated badly, but after they lost the Dutch East Indies and many who were born in what is now Indonesia and who had fought the Japanese when they returned to Holland they were treated very badly for losing - by people who had surrendered to the Germans.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 06:50 PM (bKEDY)

28 I just finished CACs astronomy thread and I'm exhausted. Can't wait for the movie.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 27, 2014 06:50 PM (l0lja)

29 Third time's a charm? Posted by: NativeNH at April 27, 2014 08:26 PM (UvK4J) If she's on Ravelry we have a group called 'Ettes of the Moron Horde. She's very welcome to join as I consider Horde spouses to *be* Horde.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2014 06:50 PM (GDulk)

30 Maybe Sunny doesn't have the money.

Posted by: toby928© at April 27, 2014 06:50 PM (QupBk)

31 ItÂ’s Come to This: State Department Nitwit Jen Psaki Now Tweeting Think Progress and Daily Kos Links Truly we are in the very best of hands.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:50 PM (mx5oN)

32 To add to the BURN feeling, here, I'll repostÂ…. What in the fuck?????? If thereÂ’s no two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict soon, Israel risks becoming Â“an apartheid state,Â” Secretary of State John Kerry told a room of influential world leaders in a closed-door meeting Friday. Senior American officials have rarely, if ever, used the term Â“apartheidÂ” in reference to Israel, and President Obama has previously rejected the idea that the word should apply to Jewish State. *emphasis mine http://tinyurl.com/l2mpvl8

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (GEICT)

33 So, no Mets fans in NY?

Posted by: Puddleglum at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (8SsiG)

34 OK I denounce myself as racist preemptively for wondering this, but does George Clooney's fiancÃ© by any chance happen to be Muslim? And if so does it seem odd to anyone else that perennial bachelor George Clooney is suddenly so in love and ready to tie the knot with this human rights attorney? Again, yes, yes, I am racist (religiousist?)

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (+0txR)

35 "The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time"- Sir Edward Grey Replace Europe with "The West" and almost exactly 100 years later he's still spot on. Sometimes it's hard not to break down and cry.

Posted by: Weirddave at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (N/cFh)

36 Jar-Jar Wong

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (AO9UG)

37 If Zoe Wright married Anakin Wong, she'd be Zoe Wright -Wong. Confusing little planet we live on these days.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (+1T7c)

38 Then, realized, yeah, the Democrats were the party of Slavery and the KKK. Further realized the current occupant of the White House could fuck a dead girl while eating a live baby on national TV and nobody would give a shit and he'd remain president. Posted by: Sharkman at April 27, 2014 10:48 PM (gyu75) That would never happen. Girls have cooties.

Posted by: Barry Obama, who doesn't swing that way at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (AymDN)

39 Anyone else think that the fraternity should have told Daniela Hernandez to go phuck herself?

Posted by: Darth Randall at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (6n332)

40 I feel bad for Anakin Wong -- he's going to harbor resentment toward mom and dad for the rest of his life. His sister Claudia, however, would have been pretty cute to the teenaged me.

Posted by: joncelli at April 27, 2014 06:51 PM (/AYWV)

41 ItÂ’s Come to This: State Department Nitwit Jen Psaki Now Tweeting Think Progress and Daily Kos Links http://tinyurl.com/lswzvvy Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 10:48 PM (aTXUx) ***** They used to try and at least make an effort to hide their leanings. Not any more.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 06:52 PM (ojnk6)

42 and i hope that the country never has another experience of past horrors, and that in this i hope we all move towards .. fk i don't even want to use the word forward. on list of nopes forward.(sideways) change hope self determination race fair yeah this administration sucks .

Posted by: willow at April 27, 2014 06:52 PM (nqBYe)

43 I thought it was 2 Wongs don't make a Wright..... I get it now. 4 Wongs DO make a Wright. Do I have that Wright..... or am I Wong.....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 06:53 PM (jucos)

44 So, to all the anti-"appropriators", I will be expecting you to hand over your medicine, use of mathematics, engineering, chemistry, &c., as well as the polymer-containing clothes right off your backs. Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 10:49 PM (AymDN) C'mon Hat, according to our Prez the muzzies contributed so much to our wonderful history. //sarc

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 06:53 PM (HVff2)

45 Welch on a bet and you stain yourself pretty badly. Very shitty thing to do.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (AO9UG)

46 Do four Wongs make a Fiesta?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (XeVA7)

47 37 If Zoe Wright married Anakin Wong, she'd be Zoe Wright -Wong. Confusing little planet we live on these days. Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 10:51 PM (+1T7c) Whoa, whoa, whoa! Those are some pretty cis-gendered, heteronormative assumptions you're making there!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (mx5oN)

48 First they came for the word 'Fiesta' and the other words in the English language said nothing.

But when they came for the Tagalog words, there was no words left to protest.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (bKEDY)

49 Larry Correira said that if you apologise for your principles, they own you

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (RTQgm)

50 Off to bed, Horde. See you in the morning.

Posted by: joncelli at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (/AYWV)

51 Claudia Wong looks all wight.

Posted by: toby928© at April 27, 2014 06:54 PM (QupBk)

52 The Dutch alas are tragically human. It was not only the Jews that got treated badly, but after they lost the Dutch East Indies and many who were born in what is now Indonesia and who had fought the Japanese when they returned to Holland they were treated very badly for losing - by people who had surrendered to the Germans. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 10:50 PM (bKEDY) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ882QYzr-M

Posted by: Nigel Powers at April 27, 2014 06:55 PM (AymDN)

53 33 So, no Mets fans in NY? Posted by: Puddleglum at April 27, 2014 10:51 PM (8SsiG) Also no A's fans in Oakland That's a badly compiled map, based on tv coverage areas. I can vouch that at any Rays or Marlins games, there are far more transplant northerners going to the games to watch their home town teams when they play there

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 06:55 PM (aTXUx)

54 Anakin Wong needs to change his name to McLovin.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 06:55 PM (AO9UG)

55 There's a wang joke to be made here, but I just can't quite put it together.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:55 PM (mx5oN)

56 Two wrongs don't make a right, but two Wrights make an airplane. *rimshot*

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 06:56 PM (+1T7c)

A woman who is Good, Fast n' Cheap?

Thailand, maybe?

/runsaway!

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 06:56 PM (vvk2F)

58 If loving you is Wong then I don't want to be Wright.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2014 06:56 PM (XeVA7)

59 PGiS it seems they have a confluence of mutual interests. Which should last until Clooney runs out of money or she runs out of looks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 06:56 PM (bKEDY)

60 I went to the Warsaw Uprising museum in Warsaw afew weeks ago. That was some sobering, gut-wrenching shit. My hat off and highest admiration forthosethat fought on tothe end. It sickened me to see just how wide the disbelief was over the horror the Poles and Jews suffered.

Posted by: fastfreefall at April 27, 2014 06:56 PM (Tz35j)

61 Do four Wongs make a Fiesta? Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2014 10:54 PM (XeVA7) No, we do.

Posted by: Ford Motor Co. at April 27, 2014 06:57 PM (AymDN)

62 57 A woman who is Good, Fast n' Cheap? Thailand, maybe? /runsaway! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 10:56 PM (vvk2F) Gotta watch out for the trannies, though.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 06:57 PM (mx5oN)

63 60 Minutes did a piece on this remarkable man tonight. I had never before heard of him but he has been referred to as the British Schindler. http://bit.ly/1hGeZVc The piece is well worth watching. http://t.co/pkTRNOSLft

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 27, 2014 06:57 PM (DmNpO)

64 Didn't Obama say the Muslims gave us "zero"?

Barack Sr. and Indonesia helped give us SCOAMF. So I guess they did.

Thanks Muslims.

Posted by: guess he was correct at April 27, 2014 06:57 PM (IlmuV)

65 Dartmouth Bans White People From Using the Word 'Fiesta' I guess the white kids with Ford Fiestas will be forced to turn over their cars to the administration for disposal

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 06:58 PM (aTXUx)

66 Dodged a bullet with Kerry, as bad as Obama is - and he is awful - Kerry would have been worse I actually wonder if Powers That Be *did* rig 2004, that they knew Kerry was too much a risk

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (RTQgm)

67 I guess the white kids with Ford Fiestas will be forced to turn over their cars to the administration for disposal Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 10:58 PM (aTXUx)
Cash for lunkheads.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (XeVA7)

68 Top. Men. Has that garbage been the case for so long.

Posted by: DM at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (Ztudx)

69 Hey NDH, I got something I want to send you. About a very cool gentleman from the Founding that I only recently heard of. Figured it might make a good filler piece or something with the Ewok is sleeping in.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (GEICT)

70 Thailand, maybe?

That ain't a woman...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (bKEDY)

71 If anyone hasn't played, MLB.com has their 'Beat the Streak' game on the website, which is a neat way to kill a few minutes each day.

All you have to do, is pick 56 players, up to 2 a day, and each one you pick has to get a hit. If you break the 56 game hitting streak, you win a cool $5.6 million.

...which in 2050 will buy you a nice Starbucks coffee....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (AC0lD)

72 I was looking for Ms Wright

Posted by: Anakin Wong at April 27, 2014 06:59 PM (jucos)

73 Islam is a great religion as long as you don't practice it.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 07:00 PM (AO9UG)

74 Well Amal could go either way in terms of Christian or Muslim since her family is from Beirut. Still, I find the whole thing odd. And convenient. Maybe situations like Huma and Anthony (and Hilary) make me question this. Especially given how close Clooney is to Obama.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:00 PM (+0txR)

75 I guess the white kids with Ford Fiestas will be forced to turn over their cars to the administration for disposal Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 10:58 PM (aTXUx) They drive beakers not some little Mexican nappy time car

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:00 PM (HVff2)

76 61 Do four Wongs make a Fiesta? Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 27, 2014 10:54 PM (XeVA7) No, we do. Posted by: Ford Motor Co. at April 27, 2014 10:57 PM (AymDN) What'll those assholes think of next! Somebody's gotta go back and get a shitload of nameplates

Posted by: Taggart at April 27, 2014 07:00 PM (aTXUx)

77 64 Didn't Obama say the Muslims gave us "zero"? I thought that was the Indians (dots not feathers).

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 07:01 PM (mx5oN)

78 Heh. I tweeted that I was tempted to start tweeting out really absurd tweets and attributing them to Jen Psaki. Then I tweeted this: Nied's Dead Horse ‏@mflynny 14m RT @statedeptspox It is important to consider sources fr both sides of the aisle so I will seek out @Green_Footballs for conservative views Even this, absurd as it is, was thought by at least one tweep to be a legitimate tweet from Psaki. That is disturbing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 27, 2014 07:01 PM (DmNpO)

79 Hey NDH, I got something I want to send you. About a very cool gentleman from the Founding that I only recently heard of. Figured it might make a good filler piece or something with the Ewok is sleeping in. *** Do you still have my email addy?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 27, 2014 07:02 PM (DmNpO)

80 Ducks tie it up! Great game, and fuck the Stars.

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 07:03 PM (GW/jL)

81 Will a college ban the word Spanish? After all Spanish is the language of the conquerors and slavers.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 07:03 PM (AO9UG)

82 At the company I worked at as yout in 1977-78, there was an older guy there, a Polish engineer. He had been a private in the Polish Army in 1939, and had been captured by the Germans, as a POW. He had a choice of starving or working in German labor battalions. So he chose to eat. He did this for several years, then escaped and managed to join up with the Polish Home Army (resistance) in which he fought for several years, and then they all ran from the oncoming Soviets. Because the Red Army would execute anyone they thought fought in the Home Army, as a risk to the New Order they were bringing to the East. This man finally made it to America. I think he is dead now (God rest his soul), but he was a very nice old guy and he loved this country very much. I hope he lived long enough to see Poland free. We frequently make Polish jokes about how "dumb" Poles are, but they are in fact a pretty brave and tough bunch of hombres, and are genuine friends of the US (even beyond Barry's backstab on the missile defense batteries).

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 07:03 PM (+1T7c)

83 Do you still have my email addy? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 27, 2014 11:02 PM (DmNpO) I have an aol addy, is that the right one? Or is that the one that got hacked?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 07:03 PM (GEICT)

84 Toyota Bails Mexifornia.... Moves to Plano Texas... 5000 workers off the job.. That Toyota Campus, Sub Group and Museum will leave quite the Economic HOLE...... But we got lots of Pot Shops in SoCal They got that going for the Pedestrians....

Posted by: 7 Days in May at April 27, 2014 07:03 PM (5V+Di)

85 I dunno, eman, from what I've seen of Islam it's pretty dumb even if it's not practiced Just found out about 22:56. The reason the sky doesn't fall on us, Allah informs us, is because He is holding it up. That's right, it's the Atlas myth - which the Greeks laughed it out of the Near East over a thousand years before the Quran brought it back.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 07:04 PM (RTQgm)

86 Trying to figure what part of my culture was not appropriated from someone else. My religion from the Jews My ideas on freedom from the Greeks Obligation to civic duty from the Romans Musical taste from Elvis who stole it from blacks My alphabet from the Phoenicians. Ect. Ect. Algebra from the Arabs

Posted by: tmitsss at April 27, 2014 07:04 PM (Pa9vP)

87 Have the Iranians executed that woman for the crime of being raped?

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 07:04 PM (AO9UG)

88 One good thing if they ban Spanish, La Raza will have to learn the language of the Aztecs.

Oh wait the Aztecs were conquerors who enslaved other tribes.

Ooopps.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 07:05 PM (bKEDY)

89 I can't believe Anaheim clawed their way back into this one. I fucking hate Corky Perry.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2014 07:05 PM (Wlxan)

90 85 Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 11:04 PM (RTQgm) A religion with 72 virgins and no BLT sandwiches is a little too odd for me

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:06 PM (HVff2)

91 How many Poles does it take to bring down an iron curtain. One but he's the pope

Posted by: tmitsss at April 27, 2014 07:06 PM (Pa9vP)

92 My Father in Law survived 5 years of concentration camps. Originally from Lodz Poland he was captured at 13 and sent to Ghetto before being transported to Auschwitz. He lost everyone in his family there except for his brother, who later killed himself in camp because he couldn't go on knowing what happened to his wife and child. Liberated by the Americans from Buchenwald. All 5 years were filled with slave labor for German Companies that you all would know the names of. He survived the final week of Buchenwald by hiding in a septic tank with two other men. Had a medallion he wore later in life that had a golden Star of David made out of Barbed Wire with the saying, "I remember when death was a luxury". The most interesting man that I have ever had the opportunity to talk with. A living history book. I miss him dearly.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 07:06 PM (jucos)

93 I am in Vancouver on the extended honeymoon. I had sour cream Timbits for dessert. Muwahahaha!

Posted by: Mr. Dave at April 27, 2014 07:07 PM (dt7yH)

94 Bossy Conservative, I am, to the best of my knowledge, 100% Polish. I had a conversation with someone early Saturday morning about how much the Polish people have suffered & how brave they are.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2014 07:08 PM (gjOCp)

95 sum ting wong

Posted by: dumbartist at April 27, 2014 07:08 PM (ahBY0)

96 I have an aol addy, is that the right one? Or is that the one that got hacked? *** Use the same name but @comcast. net

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 27, 2014 07:08 PM (DmNpO)

97 The "fiesta" thing reminds me of my nephew. His mom is Hispanic. One Halloween he went as a "Mexican" with a poncho and sombrero. But, you know, he is actually Mexican so...appropriation? Important point to note: his name sounds very white.

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2014 07:08 PM (hFL/3)

98 I survived my night on the blue ghost, aka the USS Lexington or as I affectionately call it, dry dock hell.😱 I'm too tired to tell all tonight but did see first hand some great things in this great state this weekend.😃 maybe I'll tell on the travel thread next weekend if I don't get to it sooner.

Posted by: lindafell at April 27, 2014 07:09 PM (PGO8C)

Jan KarskiÂ’s example, as well as the failure of those who chose not to listen to him, stands as a reminder that all the tears wept today about the Holocaust are meaningless if they are not accompanied by action to ensure that contemporary atrocities are not halted or prevented."

The UN stands ready to condemn any genocide, if we can find a majority of nations to agree.

Just ask the Tutsi in Rwanda.

Posted by: Kofi Annan at April 27, 2014 07:09 PM (N7QgG)

100 >>>64 Didn't Obama say the Muslims gave us "zero"?

I thought that was the Indians (dots not feathers).

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 11:01 PM (mx5oN)<<<

Yeah. But pretty sure it was in some speech by Ã˜bama as he was scraping to find something to pander with. One more fact he couldn't even bother to fucking wiki before flapping his purple lips.

Posted by: Hate Miser at April 27, 2014 07:10 PM (IlmuV)

101 Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 11:06 PM (jucos) *** Incredible story. God Bless his soul

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 27, 2014 07:10 PM (DmNpO)

102 My religion from the Jews My ideas on freedom from the Greeks Obligation to civic duty from the Romans Musical taste from Elvis who stole it from blacks My alphabet from the Phoenicians. Ect. Ect. Algebra from the Arabs Posted by: tmitsss -------- Syphilis from the American Indian

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 07:11 PM (aDwsi)

103 A living history book. I miss him dearly. Posted by: Truck Monkey I hope in the World to Come that the Almighty can wipe away all the pain that people like your Father-in-law suffered and remembered. It's almost unbelievable. My uncle saw one of the camps in 1945, and the only time he would made fun of Jews was when someone he knew (Jewish) would buy a Mercedes-Benz or BMW. "Don't they know what those people did?"

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 07:11 PM (+1T7c)

104 To be fair: What were the Allies supposed to do about the Holocaust in 1942? Bomb railroad tracks leading to the camps? Seriously? Railroad tracks are small and hard to hit, so either you're wasting a lot of bombs by dropping them from very high altitude or wasting a lot of bombers and crews dropping bombs from low altitude. Even if you destroy a section of track, so what? The section gets rebuilt in a couple days and the trains are running on time again. Seems like a much better idea to use those resources bombing the crap out of German factories and military targets in an effort to end the war as quickly as possible.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at April 27, 2014 07:11 PM (2jQGY)

105 Carol, the Poles are brave and srtong. They've endured much but they persisted. Today, Warsaw, Krakow are awesome cities with really kind and generous people. Gorgeous too. Andthe culutural arts are strong there. Amazing place, cant wait to return this summer

Posted by: fastfreefall at April 27, 2014 07:12 PM (Tz35j)

106 -------- Syphilis from the American Indian Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 11:11 PM (aDwsi) Why does it hurt when I pee? Zombie Frank Zappa

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:12 PM (HVff2)

107 Here is a good show to watch - No Place On Earth. About 38 Ukrainian Jews who hid in giant gypsum caves for almost 600 days. Surviving the Germans, the Ukrainians, starvation, having their entrances buried by villagers, surviving the Russians, and finally making to the US and Canada.

http://youtu.be/q0vuJRFn1q4

One of the little girls when they finally emerged, "I had forgotten there was a Sun."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 07:12 PM (bKEDY)

108 I had the privilege of coursework and lectures from Dr. Karski. That was Georgetown, pre De Gioia and Sandra Fluke. Now it's mostly a sewer.

Posted by: gracepmc at April 27, 2014 07:13 PM (rznx3)

109 104 To be fair: What were the Allies supposed to do about the Holocaust in 1942? Bomb railroad tracks leading to the camps? Seriously? Railroad tracks are small and hard to hit, so either you're wasting a lot of bombs by dropping them from very high altitude or wasting a lot of bombers and crews dropping bombs from low altitude. Even if you destroy a section of track, so what? The section gets rebuilt in a couple days and the trains are running on time again. Seems like a much better idea to use those resources bombing the crap out of German factories and military targets in an effort to end the war as quickly as possible. Posted by: Cave Johnson at April 27, 2014 11:11 PM (2jQGY) Yeah, it would do no good, I suspect.

Posted by: eman at April 27, 2014 07:13 PM (AO9UG)

110 BTH, can you point to that sura? I looked but Sura 22 line 56 doesn't say that.

Posted by: joncelli at April 27, 2014 07:13 PM (/AYWV)

111 Visiting Floridas First Coast. Do they still call it that? If there is a NEFL moron meetup, I think it must be at a Brewpub by the airport. It's called BJs.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2014 07:15 PM (aqMrr)

112 You've got mail NDH

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 07:15 PM (GEICT)

113 Me no likee!

Posted by: jar-jar wong at April 27, 2014 07:15 PM (D+5pt)

114 The Dutch government's response to Holocaust survivors just makes you remember: the government is the pimp, citizens are the whores. The pimp may house, clothe, feed you and provide you drugs, but the pimp wants HIS money. When the pimp wants his money, he don't care if you can't pay, you will get him HIS money.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 07:15 PM (HxSXm)

115 Want to keep it confidential But the truth is leaking out Got a souvenir in London There's a lot of it about

Posted by: Procol harum at April 27, 2014 07:15 PM (aDwsi)

116 Oh, hi Lauren. How have you been? I've been crazy busy since I saw you.

Posted by: lindafell at April 27, 2014 07:16 PM (PGO8C)

117 The UN was complicit in Rwanda as they had troops in country, knew what was coming and knew where the weapons caches were to be found. They refused to let Canadian Gen. Dallaire seize the weapons.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at April 27, 2014 07:16 PM (IVgIK)

118 Cave Johnson: yeah, I tend to agree. Second guessing how the war was supposed to go or how We Woulda Dun It Better is for chumps. What WOULD have helped the Jooz is if the West had let more of us* out. The Dominican Republic stands out in this regard. The Brits and Yanks not so much. *yeah, on this topic, it's slightly personal. Grandma had an American passport so she got into British Palestine. Those left behind some generations back in Grodno... not so lucky

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 07:16 PM (RTQgm)

119 If there is a NEFL moron meetup, I think it must be at a Brewpub by the airport. It's called BJs. Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2014 11:15 PM (aqMrr) There are a couple of them around town. I've heard nothing but good things.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 07:16 PM (GEICT)

120 My Father in Law was eaten alive by survivors guilt. Had very vivid nightmares. Lived to the ripe old age of 84. When told he had stage 4 Pancreatic Cancer he said in disbelief, "Cancer? After all I've been through and Cancer is going to kill me? Ok then." Unbelievable sense of stoicism. His ability to handle pain was unreal. The doctors said that his cancer should have killed him at least a year earlier than it did. They couldn't believe he was still walking around and not laid out from the pain.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 07:16 PM (jucos)

121 I am late to the ONT. Have the morons on the List Of Shame been properly harassed yet?

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 07:17 PM (GmTxn)

122 There was a lot debate about bombing close to the camps, perhaps even the camps themselves.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 07:18 PM (aDwsi)

123 As a Star Wars nerd can I just say that poor poor kid anakin. Maybe before the prequels it would have been sort of ok but not really. But after you are now associated with two really shitty actors and three awful movies.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 27, 2014 07:18 PM (LI48c)

124 39--- Anyone else think that the fraternity should have told Daniela Hernandez to go phuck herself? Posted by: Darth Randall at April 27, 2014 10:51 PM (6n332) -------------------- That's what is so disturbing. It's not that Hernandez is a prissy little jerk. There always have been and always will be snotfaced idiots. It's the fact that supposedly sane people actually listen to them and bow down to them.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2014 07:18 PM (dfYL9)

125 First, I feel good that I didn't miss the Weekend Travel thread because, well, there wasn't one. Second, busy MF'er I be. Tired out. Three. I witnessed a colossal bit of retail stupidity today that I can't really even understand. The Home fucking Depot. I already had a problem with them but it was only cemented today. They are fucking stupid.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 07:19 PM (tw7Za)

126 Damn Ducks.

Posted by: Hate Miser at April 27, 2014 07:19 PM (IlmuV)

127 121 ::: crawls under desk :::

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 07:19 PM (aDwsi)

128 Quack Attack!!

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 07:19 PM (GW/jL)

129 Fastfreefall- We lived in Warsaw a couple of years, and went to both the Warsaw uprising museum and the Warsaw ghetto uprising memorial. Heartbreaking, both. Also had the very great pleasure of hearing a talk given by Irene Sendler, she who smuggled Jewish babies and children out of the ghetto to safety until the nazis figured out what she was doing. There is so much amazing history in Poland, and so little gets out to the general American public. I would like to think it would open their eyes, but I fear it would just give some ideas...

Posted by: Moki at April 27, 2014 07:19 PM (EvHC8)

130 Does anyone else think Gary busey's amazon fire tv ad is odd? It doesn't make me want to buy the product.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:19 PM (+0txR)

131 Chopin's prelude in C minor Dedicated to his beloved Poland, which had been at war (and lost) to Czarist Russia. http://tinyurl.com/n6ll8jw

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 07:20 PM (+1T7c)

132 Maybe we need some Weird Al Yankovic
http://youtu.be/hEcjgJSqSRU

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 07:20 PM (bKEDY)

133 I visited Bletchley Park where they did the Enigma decoding. Learned something there. The math and the start on German codes came from Polish cryptographers. They had been smuggled out of Poland by the Brits. These polish cryptographers had figured out the Germans were going to invade. The Brits smuggled them out because they did not want to lose their work and skills. I was kind of gob smacked by that. The Allies knew. The invasion of Poland was no surprise.

Posted by: blaster at April 27, 2014 07:20 PM (aqMrr)

134 wait. something Gary buses did is odd? Huh...

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at April 27, 2014 07:20 PM (IVgIK)

135 22:65. Typo %&*(

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 07:21 PM (RTQgm)

136 What I find frightening about the holocaust is that anti-semitism is becoming acceptable among liberals. They aren't just talking about issues surrounding Israel anymore. I am now hearing people generalizing about what Jews are like. The same people who would call you a bigot if you generalized about blacks or Hispanics or Muslims.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 27, 2014 07:21 PM (ynL/v)

137 Does anyone else think Gary busey's amazon fire tv ad is odd? It doesn't make me want to buy the product. Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 11:19 PM (+0txR) ---- It doesn't make me want to buy the product, either. But it does remind me to call my parents every time I see that ad.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 07:21 PM (GmTxn)

138

Muslims did NOT give us the Zero.

Mitsubishi did.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 07:22 PM (vvk2F)

139 Muslims did NOT give us the Zero. ---- Well, not Muslims, plural. Just one. And he had some help from Stanley Ann.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 07:23 PM (GmTxn)

140 34

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 10:51 PM (+0txR)

**********

Clooney's prep for politics. Also standing up for his "friend" Obama in LV. Kinda like Mark what's his name and all the anti gun stuff because of his wife's tragedy -- or the new Clinton grandbaby.

Shut my mouth. Of course, this is The One for George.

Posted by: gracepmc at April 27, 2014 07:23 PM (rznx3)

141 Well maybe I am confusing celebrities but I thought Gary busey had a bran injury so that just makes the ad seem sort of mean spirited to me.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:24 PM (+0txR)

142 "Apparently a fraternity and sorority were sponsoring a fundraiser for cardiac care with a Cinco de mayo theme and dared to call it a 'Phiesta'. A single student complained so it now it all has to be banned. (H/T to JustTheTip)" Are people still allowed to hold Oktoberfests, or is that also considered cultural appropriation?

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 27, 2014 07:24 PM (ynL/v)

143 Good evening. There have been some great threads today but it looks like I missed a few.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 07:24 PM (sdi6R)

144 127 121 ::: crawls under desk ::: Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 11:19 PM (aDwsi) Hiding behind Mr. Hammer & his killer cat q

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:24 PM (HVff2)

145 137 Does anyone else think Gary busey's amazon fire tv ad is odd? It doesn't make me want to buy the product. Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 11:19 PM (+0txR) ---- It doesn't make me want to buy the product, either. But it does remind me to call my parents every time I see that ad. Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 11:21 PM (GmTxn) Reminds me that I just went to the dentist.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 07:25 PM (HxSXm)

146 Muslims did NOT give us the Zero. ******** No, just shy of 52% of our voters did.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 07:25 PM (ojnk6)

147 My older brother knows stories of the horrors my father saw in Europe in WWII, he's 10 1/2 years older than I am & born a few years after my father came home from it. I know now, many years after he passed that he was on the Beaches of Normandy on d-Day. My father never told me those, probably because I was a girl & things weren't fresh in his mind.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2014 07:25 PM (gjOCp)

148 My brother works in the trades with a bunch of Polish guys. Most came here because of the russians. All are afraid of this gov't because they have seen it all before.

Posted by: dumbartist at April 27, 2014 07:25 PM (ahBY0)

149 The campus speech code thing is the end of the first amendment everywhere. Kids conditioned to that crap can never say I may not like it but he has the right to say it. Now they say yeah first amendment but.... Give it a decade and we will be arresting people just like the Brits.

Posted by: Typo dynamofo at April 27, 2014 07:25 PM (IVgIK)

150 60 socks a week and boy are my memes tired.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 27, 2014 07:26 PM (VAjxK)

151 Yeah I was kind of wondering if they were positioning her because they assume Clooney will be getting into politics.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:26 PM (+0txR)

152 Good, cheap, fast. Lowest bid is quite often not the best choice. New show to me on Spike is To Catch a Contractor. Adam Corolla helping people that have been screwed by contractors. I do all this kinda work myself because I would never trust anyone else. This show is kinda cool in they confront the contractor with 3 choices come back and fix it ( under Adam's supervision, give the money back or get sued.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 07:27 PM (75hfB)

153 I am now hearing people generalizing about what Jews are like. The same people who would call you a bigot if you generalized about blacks or Hispanics or Muslims. Posted by: nerdygirl --- What I simply can not fathom, is the overwhelming support by Jewish Americans for the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 07:27 PM (aDwsi)

154 So, I go to Home Depot today to buy a new weed eater (to replace the stolen one) and pick up a new set of blades for the rider. Fuck me if the two very aisles I need to get said items aren't blocked off when I get there. Apparently they were resetting planogram and resetting the shelving to accomodate the changes. On a weekend during business fucking hours. Jesus damn Christ. I spent more than a decade in retail and love it. You don't piss people off especially on peak shopping times with internal ops. You do that shit after the store closes or before it opens. No, The Home Depot thinks they need to do this shit in the middle of prime selling time. God damnable stupid. I got back in the pickup and went to Lowes and picked up my shit and was out in 5 minutes. That's the fucking difference between knowing your shit and fucking up.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 07:27 PM (tw7Za)

155 The same people who would call you a bigot if you generalized about blacks or Hispanics or Muslims. Posted by: nerdygirl It's part of the "intellectual" campaign to make Jews the Other......again. Why would anyone really champion the cause of the 'Palestinians' is really beyond me. It all reeks of a KGB plot hatched 50 years ago, that has long since passed its expiration date, but is now running on its own momentum. I know plenty of "liberal" Democrats who express all kinds of patently ugly little anti-Jewish remarks. But yeah, talk that way about other minorities and you're a monster.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 07:27 PM (+1T7c)

156 Does anyone else think Gary busey's amazon fire tv ad is odd? It doesn't make me want to buy the product. Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 11:19 PM (+0txR) It doesn't make me want to buy the product, either. But it does remind me to call my parents every time I see that ad. Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 11:21 PM (GmTxn) It reminds me of how much plastic surgery and dental reconstruction it took to put his face back into some semblance of order after he face planted his motorcycle. Watch him talk and the one side of his face doesn't move. and then there is the brain damage.....

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 07:28 PM (ZcnUR)

157 *waves at Linda* Ugh, we've all had some horrible stomach bug for the past week. I have been puked on more times than I can count. Last nigh the baby slept in our bed and I work up with vomit in my hair. Sooo other than that... haha we're good. How about you?

Posted by: Lauren at April 27, 2014 07:29 PM (hFL/3)

158 Heh, speaking of Clooney I mentioned a couple of nights ago I would not rent Gravity because his sorry ass is in it but my friends for whom I am house/dog-sitting have it checked out from the library so no extra royalties for you Georgie-Porgie!

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 07:29 PM (GW/jL)

159 136 What I find frightening about the holocaust is that anti-semitism is becoming acceptable among liberals. They aren't just talking about issues surrounding Israel anymore. I am now hearing people generalizing about what Jews are like. The same people who would call you a bigot if you generalized about blacks or Hispanics or Muslims. Posted by: nerdygirl at April 27, 2014 11:21 PM (ynL/v) Hide posts from (ynL/v)

Has me wondering how many Jews were saying stuff in 1938 like, "thankfully, I live in a civilized place like Berlin, and not some antisemitic dump like France."

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 07:29 PM (T1005)

160 #104

Got news for you: rail lines were very frequent bombing targets, when they lead to strategic targets.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 07:29 PM (Icq+V)

161 That's the fucking difference between knowing your shit and fucking up. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 11:27 PM (tw7Za) Sounds like the verizon stores we visited over the weekend

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:29 PM (HVff2)

162 In all seriousness, I'm kind of torn on how I feel about Gary Busey embracing his image as crazy-weird guy. I hope he's just a good-natured guy poking fun at himself. Sometimes he seems that way, sometimes not.

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 07:31 PM (GmTxn)

163 #8 baby!!!!

Evening all!

Posted by: EC at April 27, 2014 07:31 PM (doBIb)

164

Personally, I'm sick to death of the constant victimhood and pity-parties thrown today by my fellow Jewish brothers & sisters. Why can't these folks just get to where I'm at, i.e. "I've mourned enough, I'm armed way better than the Bielsky Brothers were, and I'm not going to let anybody do what these thugs did to mine or to anyone else."?

Bibi whining to the World about Iran today just is an admission of weakness (either physical or emotional, it doesn't matter which), and this needs to stop.

If you really want to see me get wound up and pissed, watch me when they read Megilah Eichah/Book of Lamentations on Tisha B'Av with the descriptions of what the Babylonians did to Jewish children.

Posted by: MtTB at April 27, 2014 07:32 PM (lQCe+)

165 The whole "cultural appropriation" thing is veiled racism. Think about this for a second, what the people who make these claims are telling people is that you are not allowed at all to like or use something that came from another culture. You must remain confined to your accepted stereotype or be punished. If that's not driven by racism and bigotry, what is?

Posted by: Cato at April 27, 2014 07:32 PM (4cRuH)

166 Thanks for the history lesson, blaster.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2014 07:32 PM (gjOCp)

167 CNN Analyst Welches on Bet After Andrew Branca Wins "Stand-Your-Ground" Debate

It would violate Social Justice to pay a racist.

"Welches"
Ooh, Now you're going to get it. Wait until I tweet about you.

Posted by: Sunny Hostin at April 27, 2014 07:32 PM (IN7k+)

168 Any basketball fans out there. Or are we not touching this Sterling issue with a 10-foot clown pole?

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 07:33 PM (9bPUR)

169 Info about Clooney's woman linked in my sock. Anti-Israeli Druze Arab.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 07:35 PM (D+5pt)

170 Posted by: Sunny Hostin at April 27, 2014 11:32 PM (IN7k+) Yeah but, Parody hitler cussed you out roundly. Lol that was funny. It was in Andy's gun thread earlier today

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:35 PM (HVff2)

171 I read virgin piÃ±a colada as "they planned to have a virgin piÃ±ata". Guess it has to be said- "I'd hit that!"

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 07:35 PM (MKpBT)

172 Has me wondering how many Jews were saying stuff in 1938 like, "thankfully, I live in a civilized place like Berlin, and not some antisemitic dump like France." Posted by: cthulhu I think by 1938, the Jews in Germany were already getting pretty alarmed. Now, 1928 might have been different. I had this discussion here a few days ago with J.J. Sefton. Around 1900 - 1910, Germany was consciously moving away from much of the traditional anti-semitism of Europe as a "progressive" state in Europe. 25 or so years later, they were planning the Holocaust. It doesn't take long to turn the attitudes in a Modern State when the power of the media is used to persuade you fo a belief.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 07:35 PM (+1T7c)

173 Gary Busey (and Billy Zane) lost me when they appeared in the Turkish anti-American film Valley of the Wolves: Irak. They couldn't have been *that* hard up for money, especially Billy Zane. Read Zombie's review of it: http://tinyurl.com/lyw723w

Posted by: Thrawn at April 27, 2014 07:35 PM (WlWt+)

174 The only thing I will say about the stirling thing is I don't get the whole 38 year old being with 81 year old man thing. Yeah, yeah money. Whatever it still gives me the heebie jeebies.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:35 PM (+0txR)

175 77 64 Didn't Obama say the Muslims gave us "zero"?

I thought that was the Indians (dots not feathers).

Posted by: Insomniac at April 27, 2014 11:01 PM (mx5oN)

Yeah it was likely India that gave us zero. Now what muslims could attempt to take credit for and the reason dumbasses like the SCOAMF mistakenly give them credit for zero is that our numerals are called Arabic Numerals. But really only because we were introduced to them by Arabic people. Arabs call them Hindu Numerals because of their origin.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 07:36 PM (LI48c)

176 http://www.debbieschlussel.com/ Isn't she a German dessert?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:37 PM (HVff2)

177 I believe there were lots of intellectual Jews in Vienna in the late 30s that were very much convinced they lived in some sort of untouchable zone.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:39 PM (+0txR)

178

What's sad about that Branca bet is that there are a few commenters here that likely would have taken that bet against him as well. They were swearing up and down how Zimmerman disobeyed police orders to remain in his vehicle.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 07:39 PM (LI48c)

179 Any basketball fans out there. Or are we not touching this Sterling issue with a 10-foot clown pole? Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 11:33 PM (9bPUR) ***** Not so much of a Bball fan, but this has been addressed in the comments extensively. Basically, he is a Dem suporter, so this will get no media airplay. If he gave $50 to a Repub 20 years ago, they might be able to build a narrative.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 07:39 PM (ojnk6)

180 "Sounds like the verizon stores we visited over the weekend" Don't know about Verizon, but, in retail you don't air dirty laundry in biz hours. You take care of that shit before the store opens or after it closes. Planogram changes? Fine, you take care of it out of open hours. Apparently not at Home Depot. They'll give you, the buying public, the finger and say "Fuck You." Fine. I go down the street to Lowes where I've never gotten anything but fantastic service. The Homo Depot is now firmly on my shit list.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 07:39 PM (tw7Za)

181 Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 11:35 PM (+0txR) Ok as a guy I have no desire to hang with a chick who is old enough to be my granddaughter.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:40 PM (HVff2)

182

Rail LINES were never frequent targets. Unless at a trestle or tunnel.

Rail YARDS though, yeah, those got hit hard, and often.

Switching yards were, and are, complex mechanical operations, and take a whole lot longer to fix than a simple rail line.

Goes double for repair depots. You can really slow down an entire rail system by shutting down the yards and repair depots.

The Age of Steam was really also the Age of Maintenance. Those massive, robust engines were actually quite fragile without constant tending, lubrication and adjustments.

You'll notice also..... single rail line attacks tended to be assigned to fighter-bomber missions, such as P-47s, or light bombers like A-20 Havocs.

Major rail yards, being strategic targets, got the ministrations of mediums (B-25, B-26), or the heavies (B-17, B-24, Lancaster, etc.)

Rail yards leading to the camps should have got the same deep penetration bombs that hit the sub pens in France. Football field depth and width craters don't get filled quite so fast.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 07:40 PM (vvk2F)

183 Anybody else see that Meet the Press is going after the Owner of the MLB in Houston, making references that he is a RACIST. Funny that they never once mentioned his name. Just the owner of a MLB team in Houston.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 27, 2014 07:41 PM (b6koZ)

184 Any basketball fans out there. Or are we not touching this Sterling issue with a 10-foot clown pole? Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 11:33 PM (9bPUR) Is it just me, or does anyone else think TMZ is a collection of sleazeball gossip mongers with a TV show and a website? This recording of Sterling was from a conversation he was having on the phone with his then honeypot? Uhh, isn't recording a conversation secretly illegal(except if the NSA does it). So golddigger girlfriend drops the recording on TMZ for what? Blackmail? Isn't that illegal also? None of this stuff is being mentioned over the horror that an old white guy with money who owns a basketball team says he doesn't like hanging out with black people.... And we can all agree that he is racist. And selective. And a jerk most likely. He is entitled to his preferences. If his entire team quit, they are entitled to their preferences also. But once again, we now have a mob mentality saying the guy should have his team TAKEN away by...I'm not sure who, but he should lose his millions in ownership investment in the team, and have heaven knows what else happen to him. Because he spoke two or three offensive sentences in private.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 07:42 PM (ZcnUR)

185 169 Info about Clooney's woman linked in my sock. Anti-Israeli Druze Arab. Posted by: andycanuck at April 27, 2014 11:35 PM (D+5pt) --Heh, I am amused that DS all but called her a cum dumpster for Clooney.

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 07:42 PM (GW/jL)

186 I don't think the NBA has been watchable since Belushi and Akroyd left.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 07:42 PM (MKpBT)

187 Fine. I go down the street to Lowes where I've never gotten anything but fantastic service. The Homo Depot is now firmly on my shit list. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 11:39 PM (tw7Za) Verizon workers who are 20 something snow flakes tell you stuff completely different than what corporate told the consumers, us. Don't take the time to explain things, then argue. Fuck you missed out on a big, big sale.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:43 PM (HVff2)

188 New show to me on Spike is To Catch a Contractor it has been picked up for next season and will be lengthened to hour-long episodes.

Posted by: Rhode Ard at April 27, 2014 07:43 PM (wu/TK)

189 Not so much of a Bball fan, but this has been addressed in the comments extensively. Basically, he is a Dem suporter, so this will get no media airplay. If he gave $50 to a Repub 20 years ago, they might be able to build a narrative. >>>Have you been watching ESPN or TNT tonight. This won't go away from that arena any time soon. Conservatives ought to keep talking about this keep referring to him and democrat Donald Sterling.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 07:44 PM (9bPUR)

190

Uhh, isn't recording a conversation secretly illegal(except if the NSA does it). So golddigger girlfriend drops the recording on TMZ for what? Blackmail? Isn't that illegal also?

The law on recording a conversation varies from state to state.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 07:44 PM (LI48c)

191 One of the most amazing Auschwitz stories of all - the Ovitz family of dwarfs, saved by Josef Mengele for his sick experiments: http://tinyurl.com/m3slmao

Posted by: TexasJew at April 27, 2014 07:44 PM (U3JlE)

192 180 Any basketball fans out there. Or are we not touching this Sterling issue with a 10-foot clown pole?
Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 11:33 PM (9bPUR)

*****

Not so much of a Bball fan, but this has been addressed in the comments extensively. Basically, he is a Dem suporter, so this will get no media airplay. If he gave $50 to a Repub 20 years ago, they might be able to build a narrative.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:39 PM (ojnk6)

And was set to get an NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award this May (now being withdrawn). But because of a recorded private conversation between him and his estranged girlfriend he's now a pariah and there's talk of taking his ownership of the team away.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2014 07:44 PM (XkotV)

193 Â“@EvanDrellich: B. Gumbel today said MLB has "an owner down in Houston who has kind of the same tortured history as Donald SterlingÂ” http://t.co/ZKE1HnUsEdÂ” Â“@EvanDrellich: Al Sharpton: Â“But the danger is that, if we get past this Sterling moment, we'll never deal with the guy in Houston or anywhere else.Â”Â”

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 27, 2014 07:44 PM (b6koZ)

194 My religion from the Jews My ideas on freedom from the Greeks Obligation to civic duty from the Romans Musical taste from Elvis who stole it from blacks My alphabet from the Phoenicians. Ect. Ect. Algebra from the Arabs Posted by: tmitsss *Ahem*

Posted by: Ælfrēd se Grēata at April 27, 2014 07:45 PM (AymDN)

195 So, yeah, fuck the Home Depot out of out-right rank stupidity. And, Lowes is okay for the time being. Yeah, it's not the Holocaust, but, they're pissing me off.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 07:45 PM (tw7Za)

196 Yeah andycanuck's link makes me even more convinced Clooney's fiancÃ© is another Huma like plant.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlinSeattle at April 27, 2014 07:45 PM (+0txR)

197 Hey, I have squiggly things over my Ã±'s Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã± & Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã± Muy fabuloso

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 07:46 PM (MKpBT)

198 190 Uhh, isn't recording a conversation secretly illegal(except if the NSA does it). So golddigger girlfriend drops the recording on TMZ for what? Blackmail? Isn't that illegal also? The law on recording a conversation varies from state to state. Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 11:44 PM (LI48c) Innocent person requiring help are charged with felonies. The target of their taping (bullies) are seen as having their rights violated. It's quite easy to keep score if you pay close attention

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:47 PM (HVff2)

199 And was set to get an NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award this May (now being withdrawn). But because of a recorded private conversation between him and his estranged girlfriend he's now a pariah and there's talk of taking his ownership of the team away. Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at April 27, 2014 11:44 PM (XkotV) ***** I'm curious as to how they could even go about this. Wha t legal avenue could possibly be pursued to strip him of ownership?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 07:47 PM (ojnk6)

200 Churchill called the Moslems for what they are 115 years ago & they haven't changed., except for the worse. Good night. I have to try to get my butt to work tomorrow.

Posted by: Carol at April 27, 2014 07:48 PM (gjOCp)

201 Hey, I have squiggly things over my Ã±'s Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã± & Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã± Muy fabuloso Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 11:46 PM (MKpBT) Raaaaaaaacist!!1! You're appropriating my culture!!1!

Posted by: Chican@ Studies Major with a minor in Hating Gringos at April 27, 2014 07:48 PM (AymDN)

202 #182

Part of the rationale for the National Highway program was that non-nuclear bombs had gotten pretty powerful. Filling a crater so trucks could get by was much faster work that putting the rails back as well. Some big cities were seen as very vulnerable to being starved out if there were severe rail disruption before adequate highways existed to keep the supply lines open.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 07:48 PM (Icq+V)

203 Also apparently the mistress was fucking black guys on the side and posting on Instagram about it and the real wife is suing the mistress for IIRC $1.8-million. So there's alot of background info to come out so we'll have to see what is revealed and when, if ever.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 07:48 PM (D+5pt)

204 Innocent person requiring help are charged with felonies. The target of their taping (bullies) are seen as having their rights violated. It's quite easy to keep score if you pay close attention

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 11:47 PM (HVff2)

Oh yes it is absolute bullshit on that story about the kid. But that is a state law issue. I'm pretty sure there are states out there where he could have taped the bullies and would have been completely 100% within his right to do so.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 07:49 PM (LI48c)

205 >>>But once again, we now have a mob mentality saying the guy should have his team TAKEN away by...I'm not sure who, but he should lose his millions in ownership investment in the team, and have heaven knows what else happen to him. <<<

Good thing I was only a Senator and nobody ever dared take my Senate Seat away.

Posted by: zombie Sheets Byrd at April 27, 2014 07:49 PM (IlmuV)

206 Just remember what happened to Mel Gibson by his girlfriend, she recorded him on a phone call.

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at April 27, 2014 07:49 PM (b6koZ)

207 Info about Clooney's woman linked in my sock. Anti-Israeli Druze Arab. Posted by: andy --------------------- But, but..., Human Rights Lawyer

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 07:50 PM (aDwsi)

208 I'm curious as to how they could even go about this. Wha t legal avenue could possibly be pursued to strip him of ownership? Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:47 PM (ojnk6) Don't they have some type of owners association, such as football has? The Owner's Association can vote to remove his membership?

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 07:50 PM (ZcnUR)

209 188 New show to me on Spike is To Catch a Contractor it has been picked up for next season and will be lengthened to hour-long episodes. Posted by: Rhode Ard at April 27, 2014 11:43 PM (wu/TK) Are they talking actual crookery or negligence? I see a lot of contractors who are just plain negligent without any evil thoughts about rip offs

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:50 PM (HVff2)

210 Anyway, night.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at April 27, 2014 07:50 PM (tw7Za)

211 I heard that clippers guy is good friends with Bush. Typical republi-clown.

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at April 27, 2014 07:50 PM (Lg5PJ)

212 another Huma like plant.
There's something called a bitch tree?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 07:51 PM (D+5pt)

213 #199

There are probably contractual obligations with the NBA that allow them to withdraw the franchise. An article in the LA Times today (I had no idea my mother ever looked at the Sports section) mentioned MLB dealing with Marge Schott when she became an embarrassment.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 07:51 PM (Icq+V)

214 Being able to put in the Ã± means I can call Sandy Fluke a coÃ±o.

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 07:51 PM (GW/jL)

215 I'm curious as to how they could even go about this. Wha t legal avenue could possibly be pursued to strip him of ownership? Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:47 PM (ojnk6) The same way Marge Schott got slapped around by MLB. As owners, they still have to abide by certain rules and regs put in place by the Associations they're members of.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 07:51 PM (GEICT)

216 Recording phone conversations does vary from state to state, I believe - so maybe not illegal, but she certainly did so unethically. And she had ulterior motives, obviously. I'd hate to hear that last conversation I had with my ex again... didn't say anything racist, but I called her a few choice words. At least one would get me stomped into dust by the 'ettes, no doubt about it.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 27, 2014 07:52 PM (xsTvq)

217 Now I want some baÃ±aÃ±a bread.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 07:52 PM (MKpBT)

218 How Amsterdam Treated Holocaust Survivors Released from the Camps Interesting. One would think that one of the European countries victimized during WW2 would take extra care not to come off as jerks to another group that was brutalized by the same entity...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 27, 2014 07:52 PM (jOKH1)

219 I'm curious as to how they could even go about this. Wha t legal avenue could possibly be pursued to strip him of ownership?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:47 PM (ojnk6)

There are all kinds of special laws that only apply to professional sports leagues and plus they're exempt from the usual anti-trust laws. Basically the leagues are like a super-powerful HOA that can force you to sell the team if they decide they don't want you as an owner any more.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2014 07:52 PM (XkotV)

220 212 another Huma like plant. There's something called a bitch tree? Posted by: andycanuck at April 27, 2014 11:51 PM (D+5pt) Off 3 letters

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:52 PM (HVff2)

221 ...Is it just me, or does anyone else think TMZ is a collection of sleazeball gossip mongers with a TV show and a website? >>I agree, but now it's ought there. Snowden was a traitor but that doesn't mean we stop talking about the NSA's domestic spying. ...This recording of Sterling was from a conversation he was having on the phone with his then honeypot? Uhh, isn't recording a conversation secretly illegal(except if the NSA does it). So golddigger girlfriend drops the recording on TMZ for what? Blackmail? Isn't that illegal also? >>>Yeah, and that's why there is a more involved investigation going on. They've done a pretty good job at mentioning that the twert in question is suing the jacgoff for $1.8million ...None of this stuff is being mentioned over the horror that an old white guy with money who owns a basketball team says he doesn't like hanging out with black people >>>Which is part of the problem, seeing as 80% of the players are black and so is a good percentage of the fanbase. ...And we can all agree that he is racist. And selective. And a jerk most likely. He is entitled to his preferences. If his entire team quit, they are entitled to their preferences also. But once again, we now have a mob mentality saying the guy should have his team TAKEN away by...I'm not sure who, but he should lose his millions in ownership investment in the team, and have heaven knows what else happen to him. >>>I think the other 29 owners plus the players union will be the main engine on this. Who's going to want to play for him next season, how will the the team attract free agents? How many fans will actually attend the games?There is some precedence with this with the Cincinnati Reds and Marge Stott. Because he spoke two or three offensive sentences in private. >>>Sterling actually has a fairly sordid history. He's been sued numerous times for racial based housing discrimination as well as racism by former GM and NBA player Elgin Baylor. That this guy was a shitbag wasn't an open secret. It's like you're racist uncle. He's invited to family events, until he gets drunk and spouts epithets, then he finally gets disinvited from future events.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 07:53 PM (9bPUR)

222 I'm curious as to how they could even go about this. Wha t legal avenue could possibly be pursued to strip him of ownership?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:47 PM (ojnk6)

Ask Marge Schott. She wasn't technically stripped of ownership, but she had a lot of stuff done to limit her, and I'm going to bet she was heavily pressured to sell her majority share of the Reds.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 07:53 PM (LI48c)

223 I heard that clippers guy is good friends with Bush. *** Heh- 'clippers' Heh heh- 'Bush' Heh, heh, heh

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 07:53 PM (MKpBT)

224 Yeah but, Parody hitler cussed you out roundly. Lol that was funny. It was in Andy's gun thread earlier today Posted by: Misanthropic ------------- Well worth the watch http://tinyurl.com/k8uw8ma

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 07:53 PM (aDwsi)

225 I'm not sure the charge should have been cultural appropriation. Crimes against spelling, perhaps, but the only issue that would touch on mis-appropriation would be because it didn't involve a bunch of non-hispanics getting hammered on overpriced Corona and tequila shots to go home and vowing drunkenly to say "buenos dios" to the neighbor's landscaper someday.

Posted by: kindltot at April 27, 2014 07:54 PM (2YAgC)

226 Rail LINES were never frequent targets. Unless at a trestle or tunnel. Just keep thinking positive thoughts about that bridge, Moriarity.

Posted by: "Oddball" Alex at April 27, 2014 07:54 PM (lr3d7)

227 This recording of Sterling was from a conversation he was having on the phone with his then honeypot? Uhh, isn't recording a conversation secretly illegal(except if the NSA does it). So golddigger girlfriend drops the recording on TMZ for what? Blackmail? Isn't that illegal also?

Federal law makes it illegal to wiretap unless at least one party is aware of the taping. If I go over to your house and secretly put a tap on your lines, I have broken federal law. But, in most states, if you tap your own lines, it is legal even if the other people in the conversations don't know about it.

Some states, like their home state of California, require that all parties to the conversation be aware of the recording. I haven't paid enough attention, so I don't know if she was in California when she was doing the recording.

If it can be proven that she was trying to extort him, then that would be illegal. I doubt she recorded that though, if it did occur.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2014 07:54 PM (IN7k+)

228 162 In all seriousness, I'm kind of torn on how I feel about Gary Busey embracing his image as crazy-weird guy. I hope he's just a good-natured guy poking fun at himself. Sometimes he seems that way, sometimes not. Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at April 27, 2014 11:31 PM (GmTxn) I do believe that he suffered some brain damage from an accident. I imagine that he is taking advantage of any chance he gets to make some money. Can't blame him.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 27, 2014 07:54 PM (ynL/v)

229 197 Hey, I have squiggly things over my Ã±'s Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã± & Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã±Ã± Muy fabuloso Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 11:46 PM (MKpBT) ---------------- Dang. I can't even manage an accent mark.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2014 07:54 PM (dfYL9)

230 The same way Marge Schott got slapped around by MLB. As owners, they still have to abide by certain rules and regs put in place by the Associations they're members of. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 11:51 PM (GEICT) ****** OK, I can reluctantly see this POV, but can he be forced to sell or simply step down and name someone else as GM?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 07:55 PM (ojnk6)

231 One of my all-time favorite place names is an ancient Peruvian (yes, as in Peru not Peruvia) city named Ã‘aÃ±aÃ±ique. I am not making it up.

Posted by: logprof at April 27, 2014 07:55 PM (GW/jL)

232 One would think that one of the European countries victimized during WW2 would take extra care not to come off as jerks to another group that was brutalized by the same entity... Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 27, 2014 11:52 PM (jOKH1) Apparently they believed they had nothing to do with that, and if the Jews hadn't been so Jewish, those mean old Nazi's wouldn't have been after them, causing the Netherlands to have to put up with the Nazi's too. It's all that Anne Frank's fault.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 07:55 PM (ZcnUR)

233 And was set to get an NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award this May (now being withdrawn). But because of a recorded private conversation between him and his estranged girlfriend he's now a pariah and there's talk of taking his ownership of the team away. >>>To be fair, the man was already a pariah. It was pretty much known that he was a racist, now they have it on tape. I could see how the mob mentality of this is worrisome, but I think it's fairly obvious that keeping Sterling on as an owner is a clear and present danger to the business of the NBA.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 07:56 PM (9bPUR)

234 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 11:53 PM (aDwsi) Thanks for posting it Mike. I tried but was unable. I have lots to learn about that.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 07:56 PM (HVff2)

235 Some big cities were seen as very vulnerable to being starved out if there were severe rail disruption before adequate highways existed to keep the supply lines open. Posted by: Epobirs Eisenhower was all kinds of impressed with the Autobahn when the Allies entered Germany. He had led an Army excercise in 1919 or 1920 about caravaning trucks across the country. It was pretty grim, so the Autobahn really impressed him He really launched the whole Interstate highway system in the 1950's, which also killed off passenger trains, too.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 07:56 PM (+1T7c)

236 Good thing I never owned an NBA franchise with my prolific use of the n*word.

Now I'm a Dem/media (BIRM) darlin' again... cuz War on Poverty and Civil Rights.

Posted by: zombie Lyndon B. Johnson at April 27, 2014 07:57 PM (IlmuV)

237 Is it just me, or does anyone else think TMZ is a collection of sleazeball gossip mongers with a TV show and a website? This recording of Sterling was from a conversation he was having on the phone with his then honeypot? Uhh, isn't recording a conversation secretly illegal(except if the NSA does it). So golddigger girlfriend drops the recording on TMZ for what? Blackmail? Isn't that illegal also? None of this stuff is being mentioned over the horror that an old white guy with money who owns a basketball team says he doesn't like hanging out with black people.... And we can all agree that he is racist. And selective. And a jerk most likely. He is entitled to his preferences. If his entire team quit, they are entitled to their preferences also. But once again, we now have a mob mentality saying the guy should have his team TAKEN away by...I'm not sure who, but he should lose his millions in ownership investment in the team, and have heaven knows what else happen to him. Because he spoke two or three offensive sentences in private. Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 11:42 PM (ZcnUR) Doesn't matter if the tape was made illegally, the girlfriend wanted to use it for leverage, and she got it. It's now in the public realm, so the legality of the tape is now moot. If there is something in the NBA bylaws regarding behavior like this, he can lose the team if the other owners decide to strip him of ownership. Sports leagues have really strict rules on owners, and in the minor leagues have been known to strip franchises for things like this.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 07:58 PM (HxSXm)

238 "As he later told the story, in his own writings, Roosevelt was silent when Karski discussed the fate of the Jews, asking questions only about the conditions of horses in Poland."

It was obvious by the end of the 1930s that Jews in areas under Nazi control were not going to come to good ends, and that those areas would expand rapidly. The Nazis intended for their part of Europe to be _Judenfrei_ and were, early on, willing to ship Jews out en masse, which would accomplish that goal, if only because that was cheaper for Germany to implement than extermination would have been.

FDR wouldn't accept the Jews into the States, and and wouldn't endorse pressuring the British to resettle them in the Mandate. The rest, after that, when all the doors of possible refuge closed, is the stuff that turns the stomach to think about.

Despite this huge callousness by Roosevelt, to this day, the majority of American Jews doggedly support FDR's political party. The mind absolutely boggles.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 07:58 PM (noWW6)

239 I've only watched a few episodes which showed incompetence, apathy, and dishonesty by the contractors nabbed.

Posted by: Mañgria at April 27, 2014 07:58 PM (wu/TK)

240 I am so glad my son when to Duke instead of Dartmouth. Not much difference, closer to home.

Posted by: Nip Sip at April 27, 2014 07:59 PM (0FSuD)

241 There are all kinds of special laws that only apply to professional sports leagues and plus they're exempt from the usual anti-trust laws. Basically the leagues are like a super-powerful HOA that can force you to sell the team if they decide they don't want you as an owner any more. Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at April 27, 2014 11:52 PM (XkotV) ******* As mentioned, I reluctantly get that. I know of no HOA type of Org that could force me to give up ownership. They could put a lien, but that would take proof of financial issues.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 07:59 PM (ojnk6)

242 OK, I can reluctantly see this POV, but can he be forced to sell or simply step down and name someone else as GM? He'll sell the team when he realizes nobody is going to play for him next year and no fans will show up, the players will continue to play in the playoffs ( though IMHO they shouldn't and it would be the biggest sports protest since the 1968 Olympics). Every round the team advances will net this a-ole an additional $50million and when it's all said and done this will be the most financially lucrative racist statement in the history of the planet.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:00 PM (9bPUR)

243 Info about Clooney's woman linked in my sock. Anti-Israeli Druze Arab. Posted by: andy --------------------- But, but..., Human Rights Lawyer Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 11:50 PM (aDwsi) Wait, Druze are non-proselytizers that don't marry outside of the Druze community. Druze, btw, are not Muslims. It should be noted that the Druze generally try to obey secular authorities, and in Israel they serve honorably in the Israeli armed services.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 08:00 PM (AymDN)

244 OK, I can reluctantly see this POV, but can he be forced to sell or simply step down and name someone else as GM? Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:55 PM (ojnk6) I don't *think* (but I could be totally wrong) that they could outright force him to sell his team. But they could bring plenty of pressure on him. Start stripping him of ownership rights/responsibilities, a la Schott, put fines and penalties in place that would remain as long as he was owner, things like that. Just make it miserable to own the team and make it detrimental to the team as well.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 08:00 PM (GEICT)

245 I know it's early but good night morons, be well . Glad you beat me Mr. Hammer with the tie breaker :-)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 27, 2014 08:00 PM (HVff2)

246 So I guess my neighborhood Bring-A-Homemade-Pie block party that I dubbed "Piesta" is a no-go?

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 08:01 PM (MKpBT)

247 Good evening, Horde. --- 29 Third time's a charm? Posted by: NativeNH at April 27, 2014 08:26 PM (UvK4J) If she's on Ravelry we have a group called 'Ettes of the Moron Horde. She's very welcome to join as I consider Horde spouses to *be* Horde. Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 27, 2014 10:50 PM (GDulk) --- That's how I got here. Weirddave told me about the Ravelry group and I found my way here a few months later. --- Mr. Dave, have a fabulous time. I moved here (Baltimore-or-less) from Canmore. Enjoy and say hello to my mountains for me!

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 27, 2014 08:01 PM (N/cFh)

248 @34: Most of what I'm finding is that George Clooney's fiancee Amal Alamuddin is from a Druze family.

Posted by: Joshua at April 27, 2014 08:01 PM (RRdmb)

249 >>>One of my all-time favorite place names is an ancient Peruvian (yes, as in Peru not Peruvia) city named Ã‘aÃ±aÃ±ique. I am not making it up.<<<

Borrrrring.

Posted by: Lake Titicaca at April 27, 2014 08:01 PM (IlmuV)

250 The 3 laws of thermodynamics, as leaned them in engineering school: 1. You can never win; you can only break even. 2. You can only break even at absolute zero. 3. You can never reach absolute zero.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 27, 2014 08:02 PM (8MjqI)

251 ÃºÃ³ÃÃ©Ã¡ Nope, got that going. Ã± = alt + 164 if you are interested.

Posted by: kindltot at April 27, 2014 08:02 PM (2YAgC)

252 249 >>>One of my all-time favorite place names is an ancient Peruvian (yes, as in Peru not Peruvia) city named Ã‘aÃ±aÃ±ique. I am not making it up.<<< Borrrrring. Posted by: Lake Titicaca at April 28, 2014 12:01 AM (IlmuV) No, that's *my* favorite place, butthole!

Posted by: The Great Cornholio at April 27, 2014 08:02 PM (GW/jL)

253 If there is something in the NBA bylaws regarding behavior like this, he can lose the team if the other owners decide to strip him of ownership. Sports leagues have really strict rules on owners, and in the minor leagues have been known to strip franchises for things like this. >>>That will take some time to do and I doubt their will be many people attending clippers games next season if Sterling is still an owner. Sterling will pay a heft fine (at least $1million) and will sell the team for over half a billion dollars.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:03 PM (9bPUR)

254 Evening all. See what happens when work gets in the way. No Top Ten this week.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 08:03 PM (QeH9j)

255 Clooney married a Druid? Was the ceremony at Stonehenge?

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 27, 2014 08:03 PM (MKpBT)

256 Oh! Apparently the Mayans gave us the zero, according to proof brought to light in part by Dr. Jaime Garcia (our tour guide to Chichen Itza). It wasn't the Arabs; it was used in India and brought to the western world by Arabic traders.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 27, 2014 08:03 PM (N/cFh)

257 so is the sterling guy with the clippers (is that a team?) related to roger sterling?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:04 PM (rDidD)

258 The other thing I don't get is how a person who has had multiple racial discrimination based lawsuits thrown at him can be given the NAACP lifetime achievement award. How low has that organization gone?

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:04 PM (9bPUR)

259 Zero? The number Zero? In the White House? I blame Bush.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative riding Orca at April 27, 2014 08:04 PM (+1T7c)

260 Thanks for posting it Mike. I tried but was unable. I have lots to learn about that. Posted by: Misanthropic ---------------------------------- My only good deed today. And with that I am out. Dentist appointment in the a.m. "Mr. Hammer, I'm afraid our only recourse is to replace your entire mouth."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 08:04 PM (aDwsi)

261 of course the mayans gave us the zero, they needed something to indicate the population of a village after they had finished sacrificing everyone.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:05 PM (rDidD)

262 That will take some time to do and I doubt their will be many people attending clippers games next season if Sterling is still an owner. Sterling will pay a heft fine (at least $1million) and will sell the team for over half a billion dollars. Posted by: taylork at April 28, 2014 12:03 AM (9bPUR) I wonder how much the honeypot will get, LOL.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 08:05 PM (ZcnUR)

263 Borrrrring. Posted by: Lake Titicaca at April 28, 2014 12:01 AM (IlmuV) ------ Now, that was just juvenile!

Posted by: Intercourse, PA at April 27, 2014 08:05 PM (xsTvq)

264 Clooney married a Druid? Was the ceremony at Stonehenge? Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 28, 2014 12:03 AM (MKpBT) Oh great. That's all we needed. A Druish princess.

Posted by: Lone Starr at April 27, 2014 08:05 PM (AymDN)

265 The other thing I don't get is how a person who has had multiple racial discrimination based lawsuits thrown at him can be given the NAACP lifetime achievement award. How low has that organization gone? Posted by: taylork at April 28, 2014 cause naacp

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:05 PM (rDidD)

266 I am guessing sterling must have given the naacp a bunch of free seats to get the award.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:07 PM (rDidD)

267 Some sillycon valley techie will buy the clippers and will rename the team "Who's a nerd now, bitches?" or some derivative of that.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:07 PM (9bPUR)

268 wow, slow here huh?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:08 PM (rDidD)

269 Hey Nip.., I thought about this on my way to church (4 miles). By my recollection, you're likely only about about 3 blocks from the Episcopal Church on Providence. tsk, tsk.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 08:08 PM (aDwsi)

270 The other thing I don't get is how a person who has had multiple racial discrimination based lawsuits thrown at him can be given the NAACP lifetime achievement award. How low has that organization gone? Posted by: taylork at April 28, 2014 12:04 AM (9bPUR) I actually think this is the funniest part of this whole episode. It only demonstrates how baseless these "awards" actually are. The NAACP must not bother to investigate, evaluate, or even google an award recipient. They simply look for what might look like a good photo opportunity and bestow a trophy on the person.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 08:08 PM (ZcnUR)

271 Magic Johnson's involvement in the Clippers thing is also notable. Hasn't he been trying to buy a basketball team? If Sterling does get forced out and Johnson ends up being part of the ownership group doing the buying, it will make for some interesting speculation.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at April 27, 2014 08:08 PM (IN7k+)

272 Dang, Oakland A's aren't popular anywhere in the country.

Posted by: Charlie Finley, who is against racist team owners at April 27, 2014 08:08 PM (+felY)

273 OK, you got your phonics from the Phonicians.
Who did the "ect. ect." come from? The Abbervators?

Had a colleague who married a native Polish woman, retired, moved to a village there. He said both Nazi and Russian anti-semitism were heartily endorsed by traditional Poles, and is still alive and well in the countryside today. Now taken as a group the Poles are brilliant, but there's an SOB or thousand in every crowd.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 08:09 PM (xq1UY)

274 A Druish princess. Posted by: Lone Starr ------------------- Great. First Muldoon with the bad puns, now this....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 08:09 PM (aDwsi)

275 Magic Johnson's involvement in the Clippers thing is also notable. Hasn't he been trying to buy a basketball team? >> I thought that was the LA Dodgers. I think still pretty involved with the Lakers.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:10 PM (9bPUR)

276 Oh great. That's all we needed. A Druish princess.Posted by: Lone Starr at April 28, 2014 12:05 AM (AymDN)
Comb the desert!

Posted by: Dark Helmet at April 27, 2014 08:10 PM (XeVA7)

277 it is not so much an indication of awards being baseless as it is the naacp being useless. it is mostly a social club.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:10 PM (rDidD)

278 229 Dang. I can't even manage an accent mark. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2014 11:54 PM (dfYL9)

Posted by: ŕíćḱl at April 27, 2014 08:10 PM (sdi6R)

279 I'm out.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 27, 2014 08:10 PM (aDwsi)

280 Dang. I can't even manage an accent mark. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2014 11:54 PM (dfYL9) I thought you grew up in the midwest, why would you need one?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 27, 2014 08:11 PM (rDidD)

281 There is a grocery chain named Fiesta. The Greeks should get them to sponsor their fund raiser. College couldn't do anything about that.

Posted by: Burt Toste at April 27, 2014 08:11 PM (knDqF)

282 244 OK, I can reluctantly see this POV, but can he be forced to sell or simply step down and name someone else as GM? Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 27, 2014 11:55 PM (ojnk6) I don't *think* (but I could be totally wrong) that they could outright force him to sell his team. But they could bring plenty of pressure on him. Start stripping him of ownership rights/responsibilities, a la Schott, put fines and penalties in place that would remain as long as he was owner, things like that. Just make it miserable to own the team and make it detrimental to the team as well. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 28, 2014 12:00 AM (GEICT) No, if the NBA Board of Owners decides it wants him out, he's out. He does not pass Go, and he does not collect any money. He could sell the team to a family member like Debartalo did with the 49er's, but the NBA has to approve all owners. But if the Board wants to strip him of the team, it will be stripped.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 08:12 PM (HxSXm)

283 It always amazes me how fashions transition from runway abnormalities to normal streetwear.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 27, 2014 08:12 PM (4Chvm)

284 (What I Learned In Engineering School)

"And if you didn't learn it in school, you'll learn it through hard-earned experience."

Something that blows my mind is that the vast majority of university programs that lead to professional degrees have _no_ routine cross-pollination with people who are actually out there in the real world working in that profession.

The idea being to relay, from those who are already busy at the coal face, to those who are preparing to go to the coal face, how things actually go in a non-academic environment.

The only area I can think of that does this to a grudging extent is medicine. And that is, in the States at least, a graduate-school degree.

As for engineering school. it's FUCKING SCARY to realize how many such schools will routinely pop out newly minted diploma holders to go work in fields where they literally will have lives in their hands, without even once talking to someone who has done it for real.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 08:12 PM (noWW6)

285 By sheer coincidence, this afternoon I finished listening to the audio of 'Bloodlands' by Timothy Snyder. It can be rough going but necessary if you want to appreciate the depth of the insanity the various brands of socialism wrought in Europe in the 20th Century.

Anybody who whines about the Hollywood Blacklist should be made to take in this volume Clockwork Orange style.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 08:13 PM (Icq+V)

286 Also, I'm still waiting for the outrage over current Brooklyn Nets owner and apparent 5 percenter Jay Z.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:13 PM (9bPUR)

287 Semper Fiesta.

Party on Marines.

Posted by: Melissa Harris-Perry at April 27, 2014 08:13 PM (IlmuV)

288 Hey hey everybody. Having a great weekend. I always thought the laws of thermodynamics were basically: 1. You can't win; 2. You can't break even; 3. You can't change the rules of the game.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 08:14 PM (HVI5a)

289 >>>That will take some time to do and I doubt their will be many people attending clippers games next season if Sterling is still an owner. Sterling will pay a heft fine (at least $1million) and will sell the team for over half a billion dollars. Posted by: taylork at April 28, 2014 12:03 AM (9bPUR) It could be done by the time the NBA has its next owners' meetings. It happens that fast.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 08:14 PM (HxSXm)

290

@ Oddball Alex,

Okay then. You dig into that miles deep compendium of historical records, and give us the strategic air campaigns which targeted a single rail line, or even double track, as a matter of policy.

This of course, excludes any and all strafing campaigns by single or twin engine aircraft, as those were primarily targeted against the rolling stock ON the tracks, rather than against the rail or railbed, itself.

Again, I'll assert. Most single or double track rail was not attacked at a Strategic level.

Marshalling yards and repair depots, were. Frequently.

Single or double track rails and railbeds were, somewhat less frequently, but mostly at chokepoints, such as trestles or tunnel faces.

Single or double rail, in open territory, was seldom the target of a Group or Wing of strategic bombers. Just wasn't in the numbers.

Assertions to the contrary, would require very well researched and documented proof. Footnotes, and the like.

And yes, I'll allow that there are a few exceptions to prove the rule. But, such won't change the tone of the overall air campaign in the European Theatre in WWII.

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 27, 2014 08:14 PM (vvk2F)

291 Excelent ONT, Maet -- even if my spelling isn't.

Another Holocaust remembrance story, about the 'Japanese Schindler' via Tammy Bruce:

http://tinyurl.com/luzg58w

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2014 08:16 PM (cHZB7)

292 255. Stonehenge! Where the demons dwell. Where the banshees live and they do live well...

Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at April 27, 2014 08:16 PM (WncI4)

293 So the Iranians are going to use their faux American Carrier as a training aid to show they can exploit weeknesses in our fleet. Umm, Mahmoud. Our carriers aren't made out of balsa wood and they do shoot back. But have fun.

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 08:16 PM (QeH9j)

294 Read the bottom third or so of the link, Political Hat, re. the Druze.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 08:16 PM (D+5pt)

295 [looks up the word planogram] Dang. I did not know that. I learn something new everyday here at the AoSHQ.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 27, 2014 08:17 PM (BAS5M)

296 292 255. Stonehenge! Where the demons dwell. Where the banshees live and they do live well... Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at April 28, 2014 12:16 AM (WncI4) --- 6" tall. Trodden on by a dwarf.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 27, 2014 08:17 PM (N/cFh)

297 Who wants to celebrate Cinco de Mayo anyway? I ain't Mexican.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 27, 2014 08:17 PM (4Chvm)

298 Stonehenge! Where the demons dwell. Where the banshees live and they do live well... Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at April 28, 2014 12:16 AM (WncI4) A little Sab mood music http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAUUKMDevDA

Posted by: That demon baby from the "Born Again" album cover at April 27, 2014 08:17 PM (AymDN)

299 No, if the NBA Board of Owners decides it wants him out, he's out. He does not pass Go, and he does not collect any money. He could sell the team to a family member like Debartalo did with the 49er's, but the NBA has to approve all owners. But if the Board wants to strip him of the team, it will be stripped. Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 28, 2014 12:12 AM (HxSXm) Maybe. From what I'm reading, the NBA "Constitution" is confidential and no one is saying what powers the League has in that regard. They can obv fine him and suspend him, that's been done in the past, but stripping him of the team? Maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 08:20 PM (GEICT)

300

Stonehenge! Where the demons dwell. Where the banshees live and they do live well...

The thing was kinda fragile, really. Just one small bump and . . . sorry.

Posted by: Clark W Griswold at April 27, 2014 08:21 PM (BAS5M)

301 @235 Railroads were fresh out of friends in the 50's. Sam Rayburn hated them with a white-hot West Texas passion, because they had, a hundred years before, encouraged the establishment of farms in areas that were only temporarily arable. And they did this, of course, to make money from the farmers, in both directions, which they then tried to do as the farmers struggled into bankruptcy and worse.

There was nothing that would hurt railroads that Rayburn wouldn't organize a caucus to support. Highways, passenger air, you name it, the bigger the better. He sure enough killed them dead, and got revenge for his family's misfortunes.

Run hard and put away wet all through WWII, they needed a recapitalization bigger than they got from "world finance" in the 20's, and weren't about to get it. Ex-GI's had no good memories of their treatment. It made for a sad business case.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 08:21 PM (xq1UY)

302 #257 Don Draper and Roger Sterling, yankeefifth! I think that series finale in two months (or whatever) is going to be a real doozy!

And when I read that Sterling is a Jew who changed his name Ã la Jon Stewart, I had a bit of a laugh because in last week's Mad Men Roger Sterling was complaining that some women in the street had called him a 'kike'! Maybe it was the hat? (He was wearing a Homburg.)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 08:22 PM (D+5pt)

303 297 Who wants to celebrate Cinco de Mayo anyway? I ain't Mexican. Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 28, 2014 12:17 AM (4Chvm) Think of it as 'an act of love.'

Posted by: RWC at April 27, 2014 08:22 PM (QeH9j)

304 >> Also, I'm still waiting for the outrage over current Brooklyn Nets owner and apparent 5 percenter Jay Z.

Posted by: taylork at April 28, 2014 12:13 AM (9bPUR)

An excellent point, which absolutely no one in the MFM will bother to bring up.

But we should.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 27, 2014 08:22 PM (cHZB7)

305 Rename the team the Obamas to honor our black president

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at April 27, 2014 08:24 PM (8MkT0)

306 "The self-proclaimed "Mexican-born, United-States-raised, first-generation woman of color" declared in an angry email that "there are various problematic structures and ideologies regarding a Cinco de Mayo-inspired event," according to Campus Reform." Ever notice how liberal "women of color" have no sense of humor, no joy, no tolerance, and simply are angry, whiny bitches? When are universities, fraternities, etc. going to realize that every time they show any initiative to do something of value, there is going to be someone who complains, because complaining is the only way they feel important. So stop giving in to it, and removing the opportunity to do something worthwhile from all the other students involved. And stop allowing these miserable people to implant guilt in everyone else.

Posted by: Jen at April 27, 2014 08:24 PM (ZcnUR)

307 "Most single or double track rail was not attacked at a Strategic level."

Just chiming in here:

Agreeing that it wasn't possible with 1940s vintage technology to attack rail lines per se with massed strategic bombers, which were among the bluntest of blunt instruments. Targets had to be far bigger and more readily localized than that.

An incredibly well written but horribly depressing read about how such bombing against large targets was conducted, and how it could go wrong even against a city-sized target, is Len Deighton's novel _Bomber_. It's very sobering to read that and then go tour certain parts of modern Germany.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 08:25 PM (noWW6)

308 As for engineering school. it's FUCKING SCARY to realize how many such schools will routinely pop out newly minted diploma holders to go work in fields where they literally will have lives in their hands, without even once talking to someone who has done it for real.))) I am a technician in a metallurgical lab. My training wa a 2 year Vo Tech "degree" in powdered metal. I have had full 4 year degreed engineers come to me and tell me they picked the alloy for a part because it looked like something we already had a print for. And even worse than that they put plus minus of ten thou on it for the same reason. My Vo Tech instructors would have slapped me up side the head for that dumbassery. Yeah we need more college graduates not!

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 08:26 PM (75hfB)

309 #302 Oops; 'woman' not multiple 'women'.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 08:27 PM (D+5pt)

310 280 Dang. I can't even manage an accent mark. ------------------------------ I thought you grew up in the midwest, why would you need one? Posted by: yankeefifth at April 28, 2014 12:11 AM (rDidD) --------------------- LOL! But no. I grew up in an accented country!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2014 08:27 PM (dfYL9)

311 Maybe. From what I'm reading, the NBA "Constitution" is confidential and no one is saying what powers the League has in that regard. They can obv fine him and suspend him, that's been done in the past, but stripping him of the team? Maybe, maybe not. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 28, 2014 12:20 AM (GEICT) It probably is. The minor league I worked in had an operating agreement that was pretty much confidential to only the owners. It didn't have any specifics for what you could have the team stripped for, but you could have your team stripped by a supermajority of owners, and I can bet the NBA owners would have no problem putting together a supermajority to dump him. Now, they would prefer for him to sell the team, and will probably give him about 3 months to announce he has sold the team, and then they will fast track to approval of the new owners.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 08:27 PM (HxSXm)

312 290
@ Oddball Alex,

Okay then. You dig into that miles deep compendium of historical records, and give us the strategic air campaigns which targeted a single rail line, or even double track, as a matter of policy.

This of course, excludes any and all strafing campaigns by single or twin engine aircraft, as those were primarily targeted against the rolling stock ON the tracks, rather than against the rail or railbed, itself.

Again, I'll assert. Most single or double track rail was not attacked at a Strategic level.

Marshalling yards and repair depots, were. Frequently.

Single or double track rails and railbeds were, somewhat less frequently, but mostly at chokepoints, such as trestles or tunnel faces.

Single or double rail, in open territory, was seldom the target of a Group or Wing of strategic bombers. Just wasn't in the numbers.

Assertions to the contrary, would require very well researched and documented proof. Footnotes, and the like.

And yes, I'll allow that there are a few exceptions to prove the rule. But, such won't change the tone of the overall air campaign in the European Theatre in WWII.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX Posted by: Jim at April 28, 2014 12:14 AM (vvk2F) Hide posts from (vvk2F)

Because rail lines are so geographically dispersed, they may be successfully harassed by irregular forces at multiple points. Thus, no bombing runs are necessary.

Posted by: T. E. Lawrence, near the Hejaz railway at April 27, 2014 08:27 PM (T1005)

313 An excellent point, which absolutely no one in the MFM will bother to bring up.But we should. >>>I mean I know he'll get a pass because Jay_Z (underscore instead of hyphen intentional)doesn't fit the whole racist old white (democrat) meme..but also probably because the whole 5% shit is stupider than Scientology. Liberal racism is allowed so long as it doesn't hurt the bottom line.

Posted by: taylork at April 27, 2014 08:28 PM (9bPUR)

314 Back in Ancient time when I went through Engineering school the Head of Department had a joke. When they graduate every Engineer should be put in a cage and fed by a competent Technician until they become aware of the Real World. Nowadays the so-called Professors have NEVER been in the Real World!

Posted by: Old Dog at April 27, 2014 08:28 PM (tQYJH)

315 Rick Perry rubs his hands at how easy it is to attract businesses from Failafornia: http://tinyurl.com/kojpery

Posted by: Thrawn at April 27, 2014 08:29 PM (WlWt+)

316 Being sued for alleged housing discrimination and being accused of racism during a dispute with an employee might make someone develop 'racism' .

Posted by: Burt Toste at April 27, 2014 08:29 PM (knDqF)

317 Mike Hammer made me go looking for Alice Cooper's 'Unfinished Sweet' and I found this Smothers Brothers version that is a bit different than the version I've seen before of a pre-MTV music video. (Yes, really kids, MTV was originally all about music videos.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gU5p4e-mZI

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 08:30 PM (Icq+V)

318 Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 28, 2014 12:27 AM (HxSXm) Found this article interesting. http://tinyurl.com/m2c5hgo Forcibly removing Sterling from the NBA is unlikely to happen. The NBAÂ’s constitution, which is confidential, reportedly contains language permitting owners to authorize the league to sell a team without an ownerÂ’s consent. The language, SI.com is told, only covers very limited circumstances and these circumstances concern team finances Â— namely, when an owner canÂ’t pay his bills. There is reportedly no language authorizing the NBA to sell a team because of an ownerÂ’s hurtful remarks or embarrassing behavior. Alright, I gotta roll. Way past my bedtime. See you folks tomorrow.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 27, 2014 08:30 PM (GEICT)

319

Oh great. That's all we needed. A Druish princess.

Posted by: Lone Starr at April 28, 2014 12:05 AM (AymDN)

I'll bet she gives great helmet

Posted by: Dark Helmet2 at April 27, 2014 08:32 PM (BAS5M)

320 Ew -- George Sterling. How could such a man be allowed to retain ownership of the Clippers? What with the NBA being such a sterling operation and all. And to say nothing of the high quality morals of some of the darling players. /s

Posted by: gracepmc at April 27, 2014 08:32 PM (rznx3)

321 There's racism in the NBA? Why, I'm shocked and stunned. Perhaps I'll start to care when the players tell me how much they love and respect white folks.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 08:33 PM (sdi6R)

322 those jackets are hideous. i'll take my carharrt anyday!

Posted by: Puncher at April 27, 2014 08:35 PM (vvGfY)

323 There is some BS in that Engineering Lessons set, as you'd expect. First one I noticed was the lack of thinking on roundabout traffic circles. You don't just pass on judgment in traffic engineering; you're getting paid to factor in the local variables and actually engineer the sonofabitch.

Traffic circles work fine if they're sized for the traffic load, and if there's consistent traffic to justify the extra real estate and pavement. Obtaining real estate is easier if it's already Crown property IYGWIM. They also rely on having reliable signage that everyone can read. Really, there's a lot of places where they are not the ideal solution.

My town got hung with a few of them when there was an earlier fad in the 50's, and it took a generation to re-do them and finally take them out. The chief traffic engineer of that era got his name hung on one, and it followed him to the grave.

Teaching students that "this is the solution" is not engineering education. There's always some jackass puke who says, "Let me write a feature article, boss!" Adn they are always, always, wrong. Good joke, as long as nobody believes them.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 08:37 PM (xq1UY)

324 297 Who wants to celebrate Cinco de Mayo anyway? I ain't Mexican. Posted by: katya the designated driver at April 28, 2014 12:17 AM (4Chvm) ----------------- You don't have to be Irish to have fun at a St. Patrick's Day party or German to enjoy Oktoberfest. Cinco de Mayo used to be fun until the Left ruined it by making it an anti-American thing. They ruin and uglify everything they touch. BTW, I ain't Mexican either and never so much as saw a taco until I came to the US.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 27, 2014 08:37 PM (dfYL9)

325 318 Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 28, 2014 12:27 AM (HxSXm) Found this article interesting. http://tinyurl.com/m2c5hgo Forcibly removing Sterling from the NBA is unlikely to happen. The NBAÂ’s constitution, which is confidential, reportedly contains language permitting owners to authorize the league to sell a team without an ownerÂ’s consent. The language, SI.com is told, only covers very limited circumstances and these circumstances concern team finances Â— namely, when an owner canÂ’t pay his bills. There is reportedly no language authorizing the NBA to sell a team because of an ownerÂ’s hurtful remarks or embarrassing behavior. Alright, I gotta roll. Way past my bedtime. See you folks tomorrow. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 28, 2014 12:30 AM (GEICT) Forcing a sale and stripping the membership are 2 entirely different things. If they want to, they could strip him of the team.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 08:37 PM (HxSXm)

326 Nowadays the so-called Professors have NEVER been in the Real World! ))) I've found as a general rule the best engineers can discuss at least one of the following real world issues. Car repair, plumbing, home electrical or carpentry. Anything that is real and has immediate feedback is usefull.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 08:38 PM (75hfB)

327 284 (What I Learned In Engineering School)

"And if you didn't learn it in school, you'll learn it through hard-earned experience."

Something that blows my mind is that the vast majority of university programs that lead to professional degrees have _no_ routine cross-pollination with people who are actually out there in the real world working in that profession.

The idea being to relay, from those who are already busy at the coal face, to those who are preparing to go to the coal face, how things actually go in a non-academic environment.

The only area I can think of that does this to a grudging extent is medicine. And that is, in the States at least, a graduate-school degree.

As for engineering school. it's FUCKING SCARY to realize how many such schools will routinely pop out newly minted diploma holders to go work in fields where they literally will have lives in their hands, without even once talking to someone who has done it for real.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2014 12:12 AM (noWW6)

To complete an engineering degree where I went to college you were required to do 3 Co-ops and while some could do them as research co-ops at the university, the vast majority actually went and did them at actual companies. You spend a full semester actually doing what should be work related to the field you are getting your degree in.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 08:38 PM (LI48c)

328 ONT Compliance Pic Why the Big Bad Wolf had Big Eyes pic.twitter.com/7OdrWiXxrX

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 08:41 PM (aTXUx)

329 #312

Different era, before bombing by air craft was a major instrument of war. But it should be noted that the locations that are the largest target for damaging rail are also the places where anti-aircraft defenses are likely to be placed.

Roosevelt wasn't just asked to bomb the rail lines connecting the camps but also the camps themselves. Those asking felt it would be better than to allow them to continue operating.

My ancestors left the Ukraine for the US before WWI and everything that followed. I wonder if anyone living there today is a closer relative than a random person of the same approximate ethnicity living in the US. Most of the 20thCentury seemed to be open season on any of my family that stayed there.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 08:41 PM (Icq+V)

330 Stringer, the powers that be around here are round-about happy. Going up everywhere. Some are quite dangerous but they won't listen. Even had back in diagonal parking for a while, even when it failed up-Valley. Such a waste of money and time.

Posted by: Infidel at April 27, 2014 08:42 PM (PyxzI)

331 buzzion at April 28, 2014 12:38 AM (LI48c) No kidding!! I was a EE with a Communications minor and I spent my summers hooking poles for a CATV construction outfit. Thats where I learned that Logistics is truly godlike!

Posted by: Old Dog at April 27, 2014 08:43 PM (tQYJH)

332 There were some good reasons the Allies didn't try to bomb railroad tracks to stop transports headed for concentration camps. The Allies were already flying as many bombing missions as was humanly and materially possible. Diverting attacks to the non-military targets of camps or transport lines would have taken away from the ordnance delivered on the prime military targets, potentially prolonging the war. Also, what would the Germans do if we bombed train tracks? Let the Jews walk home? Not likely. It would have just meant faster mass executions in other places. Recently my last old friend who was in on the liberation of camps passed away. But the few I did meet personally all spoke of it the same way, they got a distant look on their faces, as if being taken back in time. They all related it in a personal way that relayed the sense of horror, especially at the sight of survivors, the walking dead. One of those had not been even to a "death camp," it was "just" a labor camp, but the survivors looked like the pictures of the liberation of Treblinka. Skeletons, the soldiers couldn't believe they were alive in that condition. Nothing pisses me off like the Holocaust deniers.

Posted by: Adjoran at April 27, 2014 08:43 PM (QIQ6j)

333 #328

That basket is much too small for those goodies. Unless it's just a tube of sunblock she needs applied. Everywhere.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 08:43 PM (Icq+V)

334 When you graduate from engineering school (for most people now, that means getting a degree from and Arts and Sciences department of a university) you are emphatically not an engineer. You are, if you pass a test which is not part of finals, a licensed engineering apprentice. You many not "sign off on the papers."

Engineers have P.E. after their names. Structural engineers wear an iron ring on the little finger of their writing hand, made from a piece of the Quebec Bridge, so that it drags over your signature on your approvals.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 08:43 PM (xq1UY)

335 I am not aware of any situation where a traffic circle is justified. Not as long as there is electricity to power traffic lights. Hell, even a four-way stop sign makes more sense.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 08:45 PM (sdi6R)

336 "Ever notice how liberal "women of color" have no sense of humor, no joy, no tolerance, and simply are angry, whiny bitches? " In fairness WHITE liberal women also have no sense of humor, no joy, no tolerance, and simply are angry, whiny bitches.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 27, 2014 08:46 PM (ynL/v)

337 Torquewrench, My father has worked in construction his whole life and has plenty of horror stories of young engineers who didn't listen. "If we do it the way you want there will be problems." "Fuck you, I'm the engineer so do what I say." Later. "We need to change all this!" "Told you so. Now it's going to cost you."

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 27, 2014 08:47 PM (lr3d7)

338 Cultural appropriation is a new thing to me. Huh. I wonder, in order to prevent cultures from appropriating each other's...uh...culturiness...does this mean we need to go back to whites only/blacks only this and that? I mean if we don't want people appropriating each other's shit, guess we gotta kep the race lines pure, amirite? I'm just gonna start assumin' that if someone argues blacks need to go back to Africa they're some kinda enlightened lefty progressive. Can we say it's a safe assumption? I'm kinda ethnically mixed up myself. I don't know where this leaves me. Should I just kill myself for the good of all? I fear my existence would cause problems for some people. Me and the Prez'nit. We'll drink the Kool-Aid together. But he's gotta drink first. Leader of the Free World and first among equals and all that.

Posted by: Some Guy What Used To Post Here A Lot at April 27, 2014 08:47 PM (LUnTP)

339 323 There is some BS in that Engineering Lessons set, as you'd expect. First one I noticed was the lack of thinking on roundabout traffic circles. You don't just pass on judgment in traffic engineering; you're getting paid to factor in the local variables and actually engineer the sonofabitch.

Traffic circles work fine if they're sized for the traffic load, and if there's consistent traffic to justify the extra real estate and pavement. Obtaining real estate is easier if it's already Crown property IYGWIM. They also rely on having reliable signage that everyone can read. Really, there's a lot of places where they are not the ideal solution.

My town got hung with a few of them when there was an earlier fad in the 50's, and it took a generation to re-do them and finally take them out. The chief traffic engineer of that era got his name hung on one, and it followed him to the grave.

Teaching students that "this is the solution" is not engineering education. There's always some jackass puke who says, "Let me write a feature article, boss!" Adn they are always, always, wrong. Good joke, as long as nobody believes them.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 28, 2014 12:37 AM (xq1UY) Hide posts from (xq1UY)

I live within blocks of the FIRST traffic circle in the City of Santa Clara, CA -- which was a key feature of the first big project they went into after getting a new top Engineer from the City of Sunnyvale. Allow me to share some observations:

1. There is no amount or type of signage that is sufficient to adequately educate and guide citizens though the first traffic circle within a jurisdiction.

2. When your citizens won't signal lane changes or turns, they certainly will not appropriately signal their intent through a traffic circle.

3. Putting elevated water valves within the first traffic circle in a town is a BAD IDEA.

4. Normally you have to be in the military or attempt to nationalize healthcare in order to promote a policy with a body count. To do this from the post of Civil Engineer is a mark of distinction.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 08:48 PM (T1005)

340 #325

Technically, I don't think they could strip him of the team. They're his employees, not the NBA's. But they could take away the franchise and that would make the team worthless unless he was going to get some partners to create a competing basketball organization. Wasn't there another basketball franchise up until sometime in the 70s?

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 08:49 PM (Icq+V)

341 Jim, It was a movie reference you dumb fuck. But go ahead and wave your tiny little dick around and try to feel important. The rest of us have better things to do.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 27, 2014 08:49 PM (lr3d7)

342 To complete an engineering degree where I went to college you were required to do 3 Co-ops and while some could do them as research co-ops at the university, the vast majority actually went and did them at actual companies. You spend a full semester actually doing what should be work related to the field you are getting your degree in.))) The guy I work with's kid just went through a co-op in marketing. Design is a small part of our company so his chances of getting one of those is small. Point being you can go through 3 co-op semesters and get nothing useful. We get electrical co-ops in my lab regularly. It might help them some at home with mechanical stuff but we are useless in providing them with knowledge of circuits.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 08:51 PM (75hfB)

343 We have two Sons who are Michigan Tech engineers. Both have had a number of Profs who have had great professional and financial success in the real world and in academics. They also had very little PC crap and are recent grads. MTU is a great engineering school in a beautiful small town with two great breweries.

Posted by: CMU VET at April 27, 2014 08:53 PM (ejB0r)

344 335 I am not aware of any situation where a traffic circle is justified. Not as long as there is electricity to power traffic lights.

Hell, even a four-way stop sign makes more sense.

Posted by: rickl at April 28, 2014 12:45 AM (sdi6R)

I was once in England for a 3 month project and did a lot of driving during that time. And once I got used to how roundabouts worked and the rhythm of their traffic flow, I actually came to like them. T

hey really are more efficient and with them you spend much less time stuck waiting for a light. But of course this is assuming that all the drivers are familiar with how to use them and maintain the flow. The biggest problem with them in the US is that American drivers just aren't used to them and many have a psychological aversion to them.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2014 08:53 PM (XkotV)

345 Something that blows my mind is that the vast majority of university programs that lead to professional degrees have _no_ routine cross-pollination with people who are actually out there in the real world working in that profession. I think most engineereing schools still have co-op programs, 3 semesters, no summers. It stretches the program to 5-6 years, but the kids do get paid ($16-18/hr isn't bad for part time work.) Both my engineer sons participated paparticipated

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 27, 2014 08:54 PM (8MjqI)

346 cthulhu: I live not too far from the traffic circle in Long Beach, California. It links together PCH (two outlets) and Lakewood Blvd (one outlet, and also an old CA state highway, CA-19). Today it finally more or less works traffic-wise, but the city of Long Beach spent decades trying to figure out ways for drivers to conveniently use it without smashing into and killing each other.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 08:54 PM (HVI5a)

347 When you graduate from engineering school (for most people now, that means getting a degree from and Arts and Sciences department of a university) you are emphatically not an engineer. You are, if you pass a test which is not part of finals, a licensed engineering apprentice. You many not "sign off on the papers." Engineers have P.E. after their names. Structural engineers wear an iron ring on the little finger of their writing hand, made from a piece of the Quebec Bridge, so that it drags over your signature on your approvals. Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 28, 2014 12:43 AM (xq1UY) You are fogetting about the blood sacrifices for buildings that have cold riveted girders with cores of pure seleniumÂ…

Posted by: Evo Shandor at April 27, 2014 08:55 PM (AymDN)

348 Well my Internet flaked out..

To wish-cast attacking even the major concentration camps in 1942 is advancing an argument that falls apart when examined in light of the reality of 1942. It sounds nice and gives someone a warm fuzzy to attack Allied war efforts but its fantasy land.

The 8th Air Force was just established and struggling to launch a 100 plane raid much less 500 or 1,000 as seen later in the war. Plus the P-47s lacked range to get into Germany where most of these camps were located. It was a big media event when Memphis Belle completed 25 daylight missions. 8th Air Force lacked the resources in 1942 to attack targets that did not meet target criteria - airplane plants, ball bearings, POL, or even U-boat docks. The reasoning was, in adherence to Douhet, was to cripple the resources that supply the war machine and thus hasten the end of the war.

These self same people attack the bombing of Dresden. Dresden was a combined effort by RAF Bomber Command and 8th Air Force to destroy the rail yards and communications nexus in the city. Hasten end of the war by preventing the German's from shuttling forces via rail or to command them. And the only reason Dresden was bomb was because the Soviets requested it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 08:55 PM (fc/KF)

349 "Structural engineers wear an iron ring on the little finger of their writing hand, made from a piece of the Quebec Bridge, so that it drags over your signature on your approvals."

In Canada, they do.

(A system of which I approve.)

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 08:56 PM (noWW6)

350 Just early into the ONT, maybe read 40 but OT the History Channel has a great show called "No Place On Earth". It's about some Ukrainian Jews who hid in a cave form over a year. Very good.

Posted by: The Farmer at April 27, 2014 08:56 PM (eBupg)

351
The guy I work with's kid just went through a co-op in marketing. Design is a small part of our company so his chances of getting one of those is small. Point being you can go through 3 co-op semesters and get nothing useful. We get electrical co-ops in my lab regularly. It might help them some at home with mechanical stuff but we are useless in providing them with knowledge of circuits.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 28, 2014 12:51 AM (75hfB)

Well like I said, on you're co-op you're doing work that should be related to the field you're studying. So yeah there is a chance it will end up not helping you, but the goal is that it will give you real world experience in your degree.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 08:56 PM (LI48c)

352 >>>You are fogetting about the blood sacrifices for buildings that have cold riveted girders with cores of pure seleniumÂ…

Posted by: Evo Shandor at April 28, 2014 12:55 AM (AymDN)<<<

They don't build 'em like that anymore.

Posted by: Winston Zedmore at April 27, 2014 08:58 PM (IlmuV)

353 They put in a traffic circle at Old Road and Hasley (roughly where Valencia meets Castaic here in LA County, CA) about five years ago. I groaned when I first read the notice about it, almost ten years ago. But it has been remarkably effective. To the best of my knowledge there hasn't been a major collision there.

Before then the only traffic circle I'd encountered in the US was the one in Las Vegas at the residential end of Maryland Parkway.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 08:59 PM (Icq+V)

354 Here you go, The Farmer, via Anna Puma...

Here is a good show to watch -- No Place On Earth. About 38 Ukrainian Jews who hid in giant gypsum caves for almost 600 days. Surviving the Germans, the Ukrainians, starvation, having their entrances buried by villagers, surviving the Russians, and finally making to the US and Canada.

http://youtu.be/q0vuJRFn1q4

One of the little girls when they finally emerged, "I had forgotten there was a Sun."

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:01 PM (D+5pt)

355 The Farmer, that is a very fascinating and touching story of survival of those Ukrainian Jews. As I have said before,the young girl who emerged from the cave after almost two years underground, "I had forgotten there was a Sun."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:01 PM (fc/KF)

356 A week before my caughter gave birth to grandson, named James, we were discussing baby names at dinner. I noted that the fastest growing girl name is Kahleesie, and SIL said anyone wanting to come over and play with his kid named that will be sent packing. I agree. For once, SIL and I are on the same page.

Posted by: Kalneva at April 27, 2014 09:02 PM (3pQOs)

357 Why would iPad correct daughter to caughter?

Posted by: Kalneva at April 27, 2014 09:02 PM (3pQOs)

358 As an aircraft mechanic, I can say that engineers are a bane to my existence. They design the stuff, they dont worry about having to work on it in the field.

Engineer 1:"Well this12 inch part will never need replacing so lets make the access panel to get to it 6 inches in diameter."

Engineer 2: "Well since it will never break, lets stack a metric tonne of crap in front of it that they will have to remove before they can to get to the part that will never need replacing."

Engineer 1:"Brilliant"

Posted by: helofixer at April 27, 2014 09:03 PM (8080g)

359 My old boss wore one of those rings on her little finger. She was a great boss but not much of an engineer in my opinion. My grandfather was an Englishman straight off the boat. Never went to college but became an apprentice machinist at Ford in the 19 teens. Worked his way up to begin a VP setting up plants in Argentina and South Africa. That fucker had engineers coming to the hospital asking him questions on his deathbed.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 09:03 PM (75hfB)

360 Maet, they also don't work when they are a half mile from the freeway on the way into town. Tourists have no idea. I have to drive thru one every day on the way to work. It's too small and I have had people stop in the middle of the round-about and let in oncoming traffic when you have the right of way in the round-about. It sucks. The turn is so tight, trucks have rolled.

Posted by: Infidel at April 27, 2014 09:03 PM (PyxzI)

361 So, how fast does Kahleesie grow? I'm imagining an eight year old being scouted by the WNBA.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:04 PM (Icq+V)

362 I agree, Kalneva. People like that should have their nuts cut off with a Needle!

Posted by: arya stark at April 27, 2014 09:05 PM (D+5pt)

363 340 #325 Technically, I don't think they could strip him of the team. They're his employees, not the NBA's. But they could take away the franchise and that would make the team worthless unless he was going to get some partners to create a competing basketball organization. Wasn't there another basketball franchise up until sometime in the 70s? Posted by: Epobirs at April 28, 2014 12:49 AM (Icq+V) The NBA would just strip the franchise from him. At that point, all the players become free agents since the LA Clippers of the NBA no longer exist. The LA Clippers would cease to exist because the NBA owns the name "LA Clippers", not the owner. The other staff could remain employees, and in theory, the players could, but they all have contracts that are in accordance with the NBA Player's Association's collective bargaining agreement with the NBA, which Sterling's new team would not be part of, so the contracts should be void. He could try to start up another league, but getting a TV deal, other teams getting leases done, hiring staff, refs, front office, league office, getting players, uniforms, and other licensing deals takes a long time. As I said, I worked in a minor league, and this was the time of the year that we were ordering uniforms and equipment for the next season which started in October. The licensing agreements were put into place 12 months in advance so that companies could get production on merchandise up and running.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at April 27, 2014 09:05 PM (HxSXm)

364 So, how fast does Kahleesie grow? I'm imagining an eight year old being scouted by the WNBA.
It depends on how much dragon her ass she does.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:06 PM (D+5pt)

365 Okay, which of you Morons did this??

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/fra-biancoshock-street-art-12.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:07 PM (fc/KF)

366 326 Nowadays the so-called Professors have NEVER been in the Real World! )))

I've found as a general rule the best engineers can discuss at least one of the following real world issues. Car repair, plumbing, home electrical or carpentry. Anything that is real and has immediate feedback is usefull. Posted by: Dendritic at April 28, 2014 12:38 AM (75hfB) Hide posts from (75hfB)

I recently had my house re-roofed. One of the things that I've tended to do is to figure stuff out as much as possible in advance, since change-orders are frequently seen as opportunities to pants the property owner, spread-eagle them over a barrier, and violate them repeatedly with blunt objects.

This has occasionally led to amusing situations (some of which ultimately came out well, like the following) -- when the guy showed up to do the pavers for my back patio, I handed him a 14-page document (with illustrations). He told me at the end of the job that he nearly turned around and left. Instead, he stayed, and started working. About 4 hours in, he came to me and asked a question about the line for the border. I took my copy, flipped through some pages, and said, "page 8". A couple of hours after that, he came to me with a question about a water line that ran under the pavers -- I took out my copy, flipped through some pages, and said, "page 6." A while after that, I saw him flipping through the pages, but he never came and asked me anything. At the end of the job, he told me that it was one of the smoothest and best jobs he had done.....and how he'd almost walked away.

During the preparation of the roofing document, I got all sorts of information about various types of plywood sheathing, various radiation-barrier MDFs, and scarily more exotic stuff. I was going under in a sea of detail -- there were easily 50 flavors of stuff that could be applied over my rafters......until I got an idea. I called up the roofing supply place that all the roofers used who would deliver everything to the rooftop, and asked 'em what they had. Their response: three types -- a thin ply, a thick ply, and a radiant barrier. On paper, there were over 50 flavors.....IRL, not so much.

Too many engineers graduate thinking that stuff is all spec'd on paper.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 09:08 PM (T1005)

367 My Father in Law survived 5 years of concentration camps. Originally from Lodz Poland he was captured at 13 and sent to Ghetto before being transported to Auschwitz... The most interesting man that I have ever had the opportunity to talk with. A living history book. I miss him dearly. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 27, 2014 11:06 PM What an awesome guy. Your life has been blessed by him, and we have by you sharing his story.

Posted by: The Farmer at April 27, 2014 09:08 PM (eBupg)

368 #358

Ugh. I'm reminded of a mechanic explaining why it was so stunningly awful to replace a starter motor on a particular generation of Dodge Dart. It seemed like it would be easier to order all of the parts to reproduce the car, assemble it around the new starter motor, then transfer the plates over and pretend it was the same car.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:08 PM (Icq+V)

369 passing through last night http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=348798#c22071202 I teased about the ballet Arvola's Dracula. Watching the matinee today. I thought... there's a hot blond, a hot brunette, and a hot redhead, all dressed in red, cavorting. Wild dancing gals. Lots of villagers drinking to excess. And a chicken. Seemed .. strangely... familiar.... Long day ends here Long week. need a fresh one. good night Gracies.

Posted by: mindful webworker - foot stompin' at April 27, 2014 09:08 PM (ItCyz)

370 So yeah there is a chance it will end up not helping you, but the goal is that it will give you real world experience in your degree.))) That would be great advice if they had control of what they did as a co-op. But they don't and just fill the quota.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 09:10 PM (75hfB)

371 Kahleesie is going to grow up resenting her parents. Especially when she learns her name is a Title from a book series that the author seems determined to exceed the length Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:10 PM (fc/KF)

372 371 Kahleesie is going to grow up resenting her parents. Especially when she learns her name is a Title from a book series that the author seems determined to exceed the length Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 28, 2014 01:10 AM (fc/KF)

I said it the other day, probably the best thing for those books and the tv series would be for Martin to kick the bucket.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 09:12 PM (LI48c)

373 It's "Khaleesi."

Oh. Sorry.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 09:13 PM (xq1UY)

374 Kahleesie is going to grow up resenting her parents. Especially when she learns her name is a Title from a book series that the author seems determined to exceed the length Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 28, 2014 01:10 AM (fc/KF)

I don't see Game of Thrones being that many books, Martin is and has always been too slow of a writer

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:13 PM (bStrg)

375 buzzion,

"Yes it seemed dire for King Arthur and his Knights. Until the animator suddenly died." *erK*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:14 PM (fc/KF)

376 353 They put in a traffic circle at Old Road and Hasley (roughly where Valencia meets Castaic here in LA County, CA) about five years ago. I groaned when I first read the notice about it, almost ten years ago. But it has been remarkably effective. To the best of my knowledge there hasn't been a major collision there.

Before then the only traffic circle I'd encountered in the US was the one in Las Vegas at the residential end of Maryland Parkway.
Posted by: Epobirs at April 28, 2014 12:59 AM (Icq+V) Hide posts from (Icq+V)

I think the latest concept is to put them in low-traffic areas first, so locals can get used to the concept.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 09:16 PM (T1005)

377 I've found as a general rule the best engineers can discuss at leastÂ one of the following real world issues. Car repair, plumbing, homeÂ electrical or carpentry. Anything that is real and has immediateÂ feedback is usefull.Â Posted by: Dendritic at April 28, 2014 12:38 AM ------ In my experience, sure, they can discuss one or more of those topics 'til the cows come come. But I've yet to meet one that even knows how to hold a hammer, much less a pair of Kleins. Seriously.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 27, 2014 09:16 PM (xsTvq)

378 It was only in a comments section and not a news story but I've read that HBO's contract with Martin has them allowed to finish the TV series however they want if the last two books aren't completed. If it's so, the story is probably out there on Bing if anyone wants to look. Not me however. Oh, and floppy wieners.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:16 PM (D+5pt)

379 "During the preparation of the roofing document, I got all sorts of information about various types of plywood sheathing, various radiation-barrier MDFs, and scarily more exotic stuff."

You'll be wishing you had the "radiation-barrier" roof when the North Koreans finally get around to nuking Silicon Valley!

(I don't actually think the Valley is a great target for a nuke. Too spread out and the actual valley is too wide to concentrate the overpressure. What do I think is a great target? Not telling.)

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 09:17 PM (noWW6)

380

In my experience, sure, they can discuss one or more of those topics 'til the cows come come. But I've yet to meet one that even knows how to hold a hammer, much less a pair of Kleins. Seriously.

LOl, ain't that the truth!

Posted by: Infidel at April 27, 2014 09:18 PM (PyxzI)

381 378 It was only in a comments section and not a news story but I've read that HBO's contract with Martin has them allowed to finish the TV series however they want if the last two books aren't completed. If it's so, the story is probably out there on Bing if anyone wants to look. Not me however. Oh, and floppy wieners.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2014 01:16 AM (D+5pt)

I think part of the deal of them doing the series was Martin telling them how the story was going end in case he died before he finished. Of course based on his hatred of his fans and his inability to tie up loose ends without pulling even more pointless threads who knows if what he told them is even valid now.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 09:19 PM (LI48c)

382 I had a great-uncle who helped liberate of those death camps. He never spoke much about it, but on rare occasions he would mention how much he wanted the captured NAZIs to give any sign of resistance as an excuse to shoot them deadÂ… and that not everyone was so reserved on the matter.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 09:20 PM (AymDN)

383 "As an aircraft mechanic, I can say that engineers are a bane to my existence. They design the stuff, they dont worry about having to work on it in the field. Engineer 1: 'Well this12 inch part will never need replacing so lets make the access panel to get to it 6 inches in diameter.'"

What is this 'replacement' of which you speak?

Posted by: Engineers at April 27, 2014 09:20 PM (noWW6)

384 One more bit on the movie No Place On Earth.

They had survived so long underground, to emerge after the Russians rolled through. As one of the survivors said after the war ended, "We had to go to Germany to be safe."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:20 PM (fc/KF)

385 Tornado watch alert just woke me up so I suppose I will bore yall for a bit

Did find some old insignia of my dads today indicating he was in the 760th tank battalion in WW2. Pretty awesome as I am trying to make up his flag box with what things I can find. I did find a book that looks fascinating: To Rome and Beyond: With Our Story of the 760th Tank Battalion, WWII by John E. Krebs Thought I might include that (after I read it of course lol) Dad would never talk much about his time there so I am trying to piece what I can together. Any good thoughts on this are welcome!

Posted by: FCF at April 27, 2014 09:20 PM (Khja4)

386 #376

In this case, it's the busiest intersection in the area. During the 90s a bunch of residential and industrial sprang up with the Hasley exit from the I-5 being used. Then a shopping center went in to cap off the load. Replacing the four way light with the traffic circle and letting it self-regulate seems to have worked well. Not like some of the rotundas of terror I've seen in Europe.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:23 PM (Icq+V)

387 334 When you graduate from engineering school (for most people now, that means getting a degree from and Arts and Sciences department of a university) you are emphatically not an engineer. You are, if you pass a test which is not part of finals, a licensed engineering apprentice. You many not "sign off on the papers." If you graduate from an engineering college with a degree in "engineering", then you are an engineer (whether you rcollege is accredited by various engineering societies is another story). If you graduate with an "engineering technology" degree, regardless of A&S or engineering college status, you are not a degree. Most students take the EIT exam during their senior yea, but it can be taken any time. You must pass the EIT, and have at least 4 years of enineering experience (working under a PE helps Before you can take the PE exam. You must pass this exam to become a Liscenced Professional Engineer, or P.E. A similar example is that a person with a degree in accounting is a accountant, but he must pass an exam before becoming a Cerified Public Accountant or CPA.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 27, 2014 09:23 PM (8MjqI)

388 I try not to blame individual designers when car companies bury stuff. As my friend who did the driveline for the Ford GT put it, a typical company engineer's assignment is likely to be "Door handles, front, passenger side only" and he will never meet the guy who does the back or driver's door handle.

Family had a nice Dodge pickup with a slant-6, a nice reliable motor with a reputation for being easy to work on. It was running poorly because the pollution-control air pump was bad. OK, I said, how bad can this be? It was a generational project. The bare bones motor had layers of new plumbing to deal with this or that new regulation. As you worked your way down, it was like doing industrial archeology. The assignment for the pump mount obviously had been to use as little new hardware as possible, which meant that every bolt on the support straps was also the bolt for something else. Adding insult, the whole engine was SAE threads'n'heads, but the pump was all metric. Because it had to be modern. It made me sad to see that honest little engine all pimped up.

Right at the end, Norton Commandos had Whitworth, SAE and metric.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 09:23 PM (xq1UY)

389 344 They really are more efficient and with them you spend much less time stuck waiting for a light. But of course this is assuming that all the drivers are familiar with them and can maintain the flow. Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at April 28, 2014 12:53 AM (XkotV) Exactly. They probably work fine for people who live in the area and drive on them every day. But for people who are not from the area, they are utterly confusing and are a source of white-knuckle terror. No, I prefer traffic lights, where I can stop and pull out a map and try to figure out where the hell I am.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 09:24 PM (sdi6R)

390 In my experience, sure, they can discuss one or more of those topics 'til the cows come come. But I've yet to meet one that even knows how to hold a hammer, much less a pair of Kleins. Seriously.))) As a rule you are right the ones that have no real world attachment to hands on engineering are useless. But one I know has a bad ass 1970 442 he built from the ground up. And all our conversations end in either real solutions or just fun exploration of life. I guess that is just liking being with my people though.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 09:24 PM (75hfB)

391 So on the subject of engineers making it insanely hard to replace parts:

At one point I got a tour at Boeing where they were (on the 777 program as I recall) just for the first time doing detailed simulations _in silico_ of having a virtualized human technician wriggle in to various tight spots on the airframe, lugging tools and parts.

The engineers said, "This is bullshit, we hate it, it slows everything down, but for some reason the customers at the airlines have been insisting that we certify these steps as being do-able."

Gosh, I can't imagine why customers would care about that.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 09:26 PM (noWW6)

392 ugh, my brother is fucking retarded. Bail jumping the night before he gets sentenced. Not even looking at that long of a time (1-3 years) either

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:26 PM (bStrg)

393 I like traffic lights
I like traffic lights
But only when they're green

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:27 PM (D+5pt)

394 Is your brother named "Dewey" by any chance, Dude?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:27 PM (D+5pt)

395 Quick Test Especially for Morons In one of the donuts there's a mouse. How long will it take you to find it? pic.twitter.com/wApByjJukm

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 09:27 PM (aTXUx)

396 Is your brother named "Dewey" by any chance, Dude?

Posted by: andycanuck at April 28, 2014 01:27 AM (D+5pt)

he's not that smart

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:28 PM (bStrg)

397 he's not that smart
Thread winner, Dude. Forever.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:29 PM (D+5pt)

398 andycanuck: assuming you're thinking of the same TV show as I am... are you sure you're not thinking of Reese? ;-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:29 PM (HVI5a)

399 387 334 When you graduate from engineering school (for most people now, that means getting a degree from and Arts and Sciences department of a university) you are emphatically not an engineer. You are, if you pass a test which is not part of finals, a licensed engineering apprentice. You many not "sign off on the papers."

If you graduate from an engineering college with a degree in "engineering", then you are an engineer (whether you rcollege is accredited by various engineering societies is another story). If you graduate with an "engineering technology" degree, regardless of A&S or engineering college status, you are not a degree.

Most students take the EIT exam during their senior yea, but it can be taken any time. You must pass the EIT, and have at least 4 years of enineering experience (working under a PE helps Before you can take the PE exam. You must pass this exam to become a Liscenced Professional Engineer, or P.E.

A similar example is that a person with a degree in accounting is a accountant, but he must pass an exam before becoming a Cerified Public Accountant or CPA.

Posted by: bergerbilder at April 28, 2014 01:23 AM (8MjqI) Hide posts from (8MjqI)

Not to mention the two years of experience that it somehow took four years for the CA State Board of Accountancy to acknowledge.....

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 09:30 PM (T1005)

400 If I had known, I could have knocked his ass out with a big shot of morphine from my bag

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:30 PM (bStrg)

401 The anus is on him to show up to court.

Posted by: Dewey Crowe at April 27, 2014 09:30 PM (IlmuV)

402 So what is the bounty on your brother? Help a fellow member of the Horde pay for the Val-U-Rite.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:31 PM (fc/KF)

403 "Right at the end, Norton Commandos had Whitworth, SAE and metric."

Bought off by the hand tool industry, no doubt. The guy from the Snap-On truck rubs his hands together greedily.

As for the ugly early smog control on classic engines, I always found the wisest course of action was to rip all that shit out and revert them.

Nowadays it's getting damned near impossible to do that. The engines are so festooned with sensor feedback that they'll start throwing codes and freaking out if the smallest things get tinkered with.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 09:31 PM (noWW6)

404 actually I think I might have better with some ketamine somewhere around here

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:32 PM (bStrg)

405 O.k. This made me laugh. Obama's fav: http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=233697

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 27, 2014 09:32 PM (XyM/Y)

406 @387 I disagree. A real engineering degree takes five years. You got shorted. About three-fifths of engineering graduates currently employed are in sales or customer service. When I design a project and need to submit it for agency approval, a person with an engineering degree but no P.E. may not inspect and approve the dynamics. That's an apprentice in my book, and most state permit cards use that very word, on the back, in the fine print.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 27, 2014 09:32 PM (xq1UY)

407 Not Malcolm in the Middle, qdpsteve, but a character from Justified if you're not pulling my tail re. my reference.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:32 PM (D+5pt)

408 #384

As noted in 'Bloodlands,' a lot of people who had spent the last few years fleeing the Nazis headed to the displaced persons camps in Germany after the war in hopes of traveling to Palestine or North America. My Hungarian godmother ended up in Canada by that route as a teen-ager, then eventually came to the US where she and her husband met my parents.

My BIL's mother was born in Germany but her folks managed to send her to some friends in the UK on the suspicion that something bad was coming for Jews and they'd be better able to move quickly if their child was already safe. She spent most of her childhood there before coming to the US. She was all that remained of her family.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:32 PM (Icq+V)

409

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 28, 2014 01:31 AM (fc/KF)

his bond was a grand

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:33 PM (bStrg)

410 392 ugh, my brother is fucking retarded. Bail jumping the night before he gets sentenced. Not even looking at that long of a time (1-3 years) either
Posted by: The Dude at April 28, 2014 01:26 AM (bStrg) Hide posts from (bStrg)

I'm so sorry. Does he have pets or other dependents that he's hurting, or is he just entering into a learning experience?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 09:34 PM (T1005)

411 I don't have much to add to the serious don't secession going on, but I will say this - "Rocky" was my next door neighbor for a good fifteen years or so. Cool old guy, taught me a lot about gardening. We used to sit out back and drink lemonade on a hot summer day, sometimes a beer or two. After his wife passed and he started to go downhill, his nephew was over mowing the lawn. We get to talking - I find out Rocky was on the beach at Normandy on D-Day. This old friend, who I always thought was in Korea, was fucking THERE. When I saw him later that day, and told him "thank you. Why did you never mention that?", he just looked off into the distance. He never said a word, but the tears in his eyes spoke volumes. We stood there in silence forever... I never asked him about it again, but I heard over time that he saw worse than we can imagine. I don't know if he had anything to do with liberating any camps (his family doesn't even know) but I have a feeling he saw the worst that hope majority has to offer.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 27, 2014 09:34 PM (xsTvq)

412 Dude you are so right. He IS a dumb cluck.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:34 PM (fc/KF)

413 andycanuck: at least you got my MITM reference. For anyone who only knows Bryan Cranston from "Breaking Bad," I'd recommend watching a few episodes of Malcolm. Hard to believe it's the same actor. And I've never seen it but know Justified must be an awesome show... it's got Nick Searcy after all. :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:34 PM (HVI5a)

414 If I had known, I could have knocked his ass out with a big shot of morphine from my bag

Posted by: The Dude at April 28, 2014 01:30 AM

I'm gonna jump bail. Someone should stop me.

Posted by: otho at April 27, 2014 09:34 PM (Ci6bl)

415 "Well maybe I am confusing celebrities but I thought Gary busey had a bran injury"

A bran injury?

Wheat, what?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 09:34 PM (noWW6)

416 I'm so sorry. Does he have pets or other dependents that he's hurting, or is he just entering into a learning experience?

Posted by: cthulhu at April 28, 2014 01:34 AM (T1005)

other than driving my parents to a quick grave, no

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:35 PM (bStrg)

417 Bryan Cranston will always be seen in my mind as standing in his underwear and getting his back shaved

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:36 PM (bStrg)

418 395 mouse challenge. I probably would have never found it if all the doughnuts had holes.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 09:37 PM (75hfB)

419 Fucking autocorrect. *... the serious DISCUSSION going on... *...that HUMANITY has to offer.

Posted by: shredded chi at April 27, 2014 09:37 PM (xsTvq)

420 390 In my experience, sure, they can discuss one or more of those topics 'til the cows come come. But I've yet to meet one that even knows how to hold a hammer, much less a pair of Kleins. Seriously.)))

As a rule you are right the ones that have no real world attachment to hands on engineering are useless. But one I know has a bad ass 1970 442 he built from the ground up. And all our conversations end in either real solutions or just fun exploration of life. I guess that is just liking being with my people though.

Posted by: Dendritic at April 28, 2014 01:24 AM (75hfB)

Actually my experience has been the opposite - the better engineers are also typically very knowledgeable about practical everyday things especially when it comes to hobbies. Maybe not experts but definitely competent enough to get this things done. It's a point of professional pride that with the service manual and the right equipment they can fix/build anything.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 27, 2014 09:37 PM (XkotV)

421 IMHO Malcolm In The Middle was a brilliant idea: a kids-style sitcom... that's not really for kids. And I like the fact that the family never really changed that much or learned anything. It was sort of Seinfeld-esque in that regard.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:38 PM (HVI5a)

422 I was at the Warriors Clippers game today. Sterling's moronic (not in the AOSHQ way) blather will work itself out. What the NBA better realize is that the blatant manipulation of the game by the referee's selective calling of fouls will undermine the product to the point of mockery. More than one comment was passed between people around me that we were approaching WWE levels of believability or cynicism. I am anxious to see the new storyline for the next game!

Posted by: Tominca at April 27, 2014 09:39 PM (wsPYX)

423 if you liked Malcom in the Middle, checking out The Middle on ABC is worthwhile

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:39 PM (bStrg)

424 Ill always remember Cranston roller skating to "funkytown".

Posted by: otho at April 27, 2014 09:39 PM (Ci6bl)

425 I think the latest concept is to put them in low-traffic areas first, so locals can get used to the concept. Posted by: cthulhu at April 28, 2014 01:16 AM (T1005) The newer neighborhoods in Sarasota have them, you can't go very fast through them so there's not spectacular t-boning I'm originally from NJ, so traffic circles were about as efficient moving traffic as the dreaded Jughandles No matter how bad the roads in your area, they cannot possibly be as bad as your typical NJ road

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 09:39 PM (aTXUx)

426 *has an evil thought, again*

HBO informs Martin, "We have decided to have a happy ending where same sex marriage between dragon and wolf happens also. We think it will be fabulous on the ratings."

Martin, "GACK"

HBO, "Hello?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:40 PM (fc/KF)

427 The Dude: *anything* with Patricia Heaton is worthwhile. :-) She's another actor who apparently is quite versatile a la Cranston. Her "The Middle" character is NOTHING like Debra Barone.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:40 PM (HVI5a)

428 otho: great moments in TV... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:41 PM (HVI5a)

429 A friend of mine told a buddy of his at work who'd gotten hooked on Breaking Bad that he just had to see the prequel to Breaking Bad -- it's called Malcolm in the Middle. And I figure it works -- they did show Hal was a real go-getter whiz-kid before Francis was born so after Reece murdered Lois or vice versa maybe he abandoned the kids and headed out to New Mexico?

Speaking of meth... North Korean meth being pushed abroad... see the sock link.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:43 PM (D+5pt)

430 andycanuck: you're blowing my mind... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:44 PM (HVI5a)

431 Am I wrong for combining Supreme Court Justice with CATS from the "All Your Base" meme?

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 09:44 PM (AymDN)

432 Bryan Cranston was also Tim Whatley the dentist on Seinfeld

Posted by: kbdabear at April 27, 2014 09:44 PM (aTXUx)

433 http://youtu.be/TMRi8DbazXw

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 09:45 PM (bStrg)

434 Also from Malcolm, Jane Kaczmarek is one of the few bright spots in later seasons of "The Simpsons" as her too-tough-to-live Juvenile Court Judge character. "Bart reminds me of many years ago, when I was a little boy!"

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:45 PM (HVI5a)

435 Bryan Cranston was also Tim Whatley the dentist on Seinfeld That guy is a re-gifter.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2014 09:45 PM (cB/E+)

436 I think he converted for the jokes!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:46 PM (D+5pt)

437 TPH, "It was for the greater Justice."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:47 PM (fc/KF)

438 420 Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at April 28, 2014 01:37 AM))) Due to the smoke on your post number I think you confused my point on engineers. We agree that the best like to do real world stuff. I would have skipped responding if this didn't land on 4/20

Posted by: Dendritic at April 27, 2014 09:47 PM (75hfB)

439 TPH, "It was for the greater Justice." Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 28, 2014 01:47 AM (fc/KF) Take off every Zig!

Posted by: All Your Hat Are Belong To Us at April 27, 2014 09:49 PM (AymDN)

440 I think he converted for the jokes! I don't know about his gifting habits, but I'm pretty sure I went in there with my shirt tucked in...

Posted by: Jerry at April 27, 2014 09:50 PM (cB/E+)

441 #429

Just a few days ago the LA Times had a story about a guy who murdered his whole mid-western family in 1976 and was never found. But he has relatives in the LA area and was known to be the outdoorsy type. The angle being he could be hiding out in some secret mountain retreat and being kept in supplies by those relatives. He'd be in his late 70s by now.

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:51 PM (Icq+V)

442 Which reminds me, I've just got to order those DVDs of "Curb Your Enthusiasm." TV Land ran some episodes about a year ago. Never have I fallen in love so fast with a TV program.

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:52 PM (HVI5a)

443 Sotomayer, "Viewscreen on!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 09:52 PM (fc/KF)

444 Which reminds me, I've just got to order those DVDs of "Curb Your Enthusiasm." Buy'em used. Larry David has enough money.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2014 09:53 PM (cB/E+)

445 Who wants to bet Sotomayor's a major-league Lifetime channel viewer? AKA the "men are pigs" channel. Okay folks, gotta go. Thanks once again for the fabulous chat. See you again soon!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 27, 2014 09:53 PM (HVI5a)

446 "Take off every Zig!"

Somebody set up us the bomb.

Say, Hat, I caught your account of your miserable Easter where you related your story of having been set up the bomb.

Profound sympathies. Little is worse than having to deal with impaired older family members. We do the best that we can do.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 09:55 PM (noWW6)

447 #429

Alternately: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYNX3JWzjc

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:55 PM (Icq+V)

448 Great dancing compilation of Hal at play and it leads to this video that I've just bookmarked...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtYNX3JWzjc

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:56 PM (D+5pt)

449 445 Who wants to bet Sotomayor's a major-league Lifetime channel viewer? AKA the "men are pigs" channel.

Okay folks, gotta go. Thanks once again for the fabulous chat. See you again soon!!!

Posted by: qdpsteve at April 28, 2014 01:53 AM (HVI5a)

The Lifetime channel also known as "Time to beat/kill your wife, molest your daughter, and/or molest your girlfriend's autistic son" Channel.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 09:56 PM (LI48c)

450 Doh! Epobirs just beat me to it!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:57 PM (D+5pt)

451 "Rocky" was my next door neighbor for a good fifteen years or so. Cool old guy, taught me a lot about gardening. We used to sit out back and drink lemonade on a hot summer day, sometimes a beer or two. After his wife passed and he started to go downhill, his nephew was over mowing the lawn. We get to talking - I find out Rocky was on the beach at Normandy on D-Day. This old friend, who I always thought was in Korea, was fucking THERE. When I saw him later that day, and told him "thank you. Why did you never mention that?", he just looked off into the distance. He never said a word, but the tears in his eyes spoke volumes. We stood there in silence forever... I never asked him about it again, but I heard over time that he saw worse than we can imagine. I don't know if he had anything to do with liberating any camps (his family doesn't even know) but I have a feeling he saw the worst that hope majority has to offer. Posted by: shredded chi Thanks for sharing that. We locally have lost several of these soldiers lately here. Be well my friend, T

Posted by: The Farmer at April 27, 2014 09:57 PM (eBupg)

452 South Park did a documentary on that, buzzion.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 09:58 PM (D+5pt)

453 I reckon King Tommen did some fapping after that little secret visit :^x

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 09:59 PM (30eLQ)

454 #450

Bob Newhart got there years before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwYw2i2icNg

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 09:59 PM (Icq+V)

455 411 I don't have much to add to the serious don't secession going on, but I will say this -
"Rocky" was my next door neighbor for a good fifteen years or so. Cool old guy, taught me a lot about gardening. We used to sit out back and drink lemonade on a hot summer day, sometimes a beer or two.

After his wife passed and he started to go downhill, his nephew was over mowing the lawn. We get to talking - I find out Rocky was on the beach at Normandy on D-Day. This old friend, who I always thought was in Korea, was fucking THERE.

When I saw him later that day, and told him "thank you. Why did you never mention that?", he just looked off into the distance. He never said a word, but the tears in his eyes spoke volumes. We stood there in silence forever...
I never asked him about it again, but I heard over time that he saw worse than we can imagine.
I don't know if he had anything to do with liberating any camps (his family doesn't even know) but I have a feeling he saw the worst that hope majority has to offer. Posted by: shredded chi at April 28, 2014 01:34 AM (xsTvq) Hide posts from (xsTvq)

On the beach at Normandy doesn't really involve Jews or death camps or the subtle horrors of Nazism -- in large part because these things came out long afterward, when the armies reached the camps. But the beaches of Normandy saw something else. Operation Overlord had 1.3 million allied troops decisively force their way back onto a continent that they had been pushed off of at Dunkirk. Roughly one out of ten of the Allied troops ended up as a casualty. The dug-in German defenders, outnumbered about four-to-one, had casualty rates of about one out of three.

This was one of the biggest, bloodiest, most technological, and nastiest meatgrinders in history.

There's a reason they're called "the greatest generation" -- he walked into that hot mess, then came home and did gardening. Really makes you take stock. Glad you got to spend some time with him, Chi.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 10:00 PM (T1005)

456 I'm wondering if next season South Park will take a shot at common core.

Posted by: buzzion at April 27, 2014 10:00 PM (LI48c)

457 I've been playing with Super Planet Crash which was linked in an earlier thread. http://www.stefanom.org/spc/# Build and destroy your own solar syatem! Bwahahahaha! If you make it to 500 years before planets collide or are ejected, you win. Pfft. 500 years is nothing. It sort of makes you grateful that our own solar system is relatively stable. Relatively. There is a school of thought that says Uranus and Neptune swapped orbits a few billion years ago. I bet that was fun to watch.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 10:01 PM (sdi6R)

458 Neptune was twisting and shouting Uranus?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 10:02 PM (fc/KF)

459 My favourite series ending ever, Epobirs. I even knew it was the Bob Newhart Show bedroom set just before Emily turned on the lights. (And I think that was a bit of a homage.)

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 10:03 PM (D+5pt)

460 That's it for me. See you all tomorrow, I trust.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 27, 2014 10:05 PM (D+5pt)

461 rickl -Apparently the scientists had a hard time figuring out why 55 Cancri's planets didn't just fly around like pool balls after a hard break http://tinyurl.com/mj7e78l

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 10:06 PM (30eLQ)

462 hmm I could go for a Dark Souls anime

Posted by: The Dude at April 27, 2014 10:07 PM (bStrg)

463 this one has better info http://tinyurl.com/le96ksw

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 10:08 PM (30eLQ)

464 Say, Hat, I caught your account of your miserable Easter where you related your story of having been set up the bomb. Profound sympathies. Little is worse than having to deal with impaired older family members. We do the best that we can do. Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2014 01:55 AM (noWW6) Thank you.

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 10:09 PM (AymDN)

465 Trust me, the twisting blue balls was not fun.

Posted by: The Solar System at April 27, 2014 10:09 PM (IlmuV)

466 "And you, you I think I'm going to call Krypton. Because I have plans for you, oh yes I do little planet."

Posted by: Epobirs at April 27, 2014 10:10 PM (Icq+V)

467 hmm I could go for a Dark Souls anime Posted by: The Dude at April 28, 2014 02:07 AM (bStrg) Went to a local con on Saturday. Sad that there was no AMV competition, but it was overall fun (thankfully no Yaoi butt-spanking boards), and I grabbed some artist alley stuff and an artbook by Satoshi Urushihara.

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at April 27, 2014 10:12 PM (AymDN)

468 I think the latest concept is to put them in low-traffic areas first, so locals can get used to the concept.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 28, 2014 01:16 AM (T1005)

Almost. Traffic circles have been shown to be the most efficient solution for intersections in low density traffic areas. The studies proving this are decades old. The problems have generally arisen when they are installed and then traffic flow increases past the point where a circle can handle it.

Back in the 1980's, I once spent an hour in a circle in New Jersey that had long since reached its expiration date.

Posted by: CQD at April 27, 2014 10:14 PM (tcvYF)

469 Almost. Traffic circles have been shown to be the most efficient solution for intersections in low density traffic areas. The studies proving this are decades old. The problems have generally arisen when they are installed and then traffic flow increases past the point where a circle can handle it. Posted by: CQD at April 28, 2014 02:14 AM (tcvYF) Roundabouts + traffic = quagmire

Posted by: The Vehicular Hat at April 27, 2014 10:15 PM (AymDN)

470 Look kids - Big Ben! Parliament!

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 10:16 PM (30eLQ)

471 Chirality or Plastic Little?

I wish Yaoi would just go away. Saw Neko-Maid is advertising tickets for A-kon. And I think the 27th was the last day to get Pre-reg 3 day for $55.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 10:17 PM (fc/KF)

472 469 Almost. Traffic circles have been shown to be the most efficient solution for intersections in low density traffic areas. The studies proving this are decades old. The problems have generally arisen when they are installed and then traffic flow increases past the point where a circle can handle it.

Posted by: CQD at April 28, 2014 02:14 AM (tcvYF)

Roundabouts + traffic = quagmire Posted by: The Vehicular Hat at April 28, 2014 02:15 AM (AymDN) Hide posts from (AymDN)

As someone who has experienced them personally in England, having city buses run through tiny traffic circles at full speed is quite alarming.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 10:19 PM (T1005)

473 Chirality or Plastic Little? Tenma comics special - Kan I wish Yaoi would just go away. Saw Neko-Maid is advertising tickets for A-kon. And I think the 27th was the last day to get Pre-reg 3 day for $55. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 28, 2014 02:17 AM (fc/KF) We'll, I can understand why a straight guy would like lesbians pr0nz since there are no men involved, so I assume that some women feel the same about Yaoi/BL. Haven't been to an out-of-Vegas-area anime con since Anime L.A. in '09. Only out of area con I've been to more recently was the in-state WorldCon in '11

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at April 27, 2014 10:21 PM (AymDN)

474 Roundabouts would work better if people weren't so fucking stupid and self-absorbed.

Posted by: garrett at April 27, 2014 10:22 PM (cB/E+)

475 Roundabouts would work better if people weren't so fucking stupid and self-absorbed. As in, so British (these days)

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 27, 2014 10:23 PM (30eLQ)

476 Roundabouts would work better if people weren't so fucking stupid and self-absorbed. Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2014 02:22 AM (cB/E+) If men were angelsÂ…

Posted by: James Madison at April 27, 2014 10:24 PM (AymDN)

477 My Dad landed after the beaches were secure. His outfit liberated the camp at Ebensee, Austria. Horrific stories of conditions, etc.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 27, 2014 10:25 PM (1Y+hH)

478 Well I just emptied out the money in my PayPal. I am now pre-registered for Project A-kon 25 at $55. Which is about 7 hours driving away from me. Now to remember the little dive hotel I was at last year, as opposed to the con hotel.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 27, 2014 10:25 PM (fc/KF)

479 The incoherent Left is as incoherent on rape or men or something as you would expect: http://tinyurl.com/lxfrdpt

Posted by: The WTF Hat at April 27, 2014 10:37 PM (AymDN)

480 474 Roundabouts would work better if people weren't so fucking stupid and self-absorbed. Posted by: garrett at April 28, 2014 02:22 AM (cB/E+) Said every socialist who ever lived.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 10:40 PM (sdi6R)

481 Nowadays it's getting damned near impossible to do that. The engines are so festooned with sensor feedback that they'll start throwing codes and freaking out if the smallest things get tinkered with.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 28, 2014 01:31 AM (noWW6)

New engines are designed with all of that, and in fact new engines with their precise control systems don't even need smog pumps any more, they have EGR and cats and that's about all the external stuff they get these days.

IMO, engineering candidates should have to work at least 2 years as a technician in their chosen field before they are even admitted into an engineering program. They'd be much better engineers for it.

Back to work, later roonz and roonettez, fear no evil!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 27, 2014 10:46 PM (xa1/W)

482 "My Dad landed after the beaches were secure."

Not a guarantee of anything.

I talked with one veteran who was in a rear echelon quartermaster outfit and came ashore at Anzio after the beachhead there was completely squared away and safe.

Only to get strafed as they drove their trucks on the inland roads north.

By overaggressive and underintelligent Allied tactical air.

He had nothing but good things to say about the Italian locals.

Not so much about the air coordination.

Protip: don't annoy the quartermasters.

Unless eating spoiled horsemeat for a month is your bag.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 27, 2014 10:46 PM (noWW6)

483 Whoa. I had one Earth-like planet and two brown dwarfs that seemed to be stable for over 100 years, but then the Earth-like planet suddenly shifted into a highly elliptical orbit that crossed one of the brown dwarfs and well, that didn't last long. OK, I'm out. Good night.

Posted by: rickl at April 27, 2014 10:57 PM (sdi6R)

484 An example of economic idiocy: "Why youÂ’re wrong about communism: 7 huge misconceptions about it (and capitalism)" http://tinyurl.com/mxcmq9h

Posted by: The Economic Hat at April 27, 2014 11:05 PM (AymDN)

485 I hope the alarm is set for tomorrow.....there's a boatload of stuff to do.

Posted by: cthulhu at April 27, 2014 11:25 PM (T1005)

486 Lesbian Threesome Smash Duo-Normative Diarchy A Â“throupleÂ”of three lesbians have married each other and are expecting a baby. Since Same-Sex marriage supporters have been demanding that marriage be defined by the duo-normative definition of marriage being only between two individuals, the three lesbians (Doll, Brynn, and Kitten) have had to go through legal wrangling to get as married to each other as the duo-normative oppressive laws of Massachusetts allow. More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=5631

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 11:29 PM (AymDN)

487 Night all. Here is a cover of Pink Floyd's "Interstellar Overdrive" by The Coffin Daggers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdLKswPPu98

Posted by: The Political Hat at April 27, 2014 11:38 PM (AymDN)

488 Maybe I shouldn't have caffeinated quite so much at 2:00......

Posted by: cthulhu at April 28, 2014 12:13 AM (T1005)

489 >>> Maybe I shouldn't have caffeinated quite so much at 2:00... We'll take it from here.

Posted by: fluffy at April 28, 2014 02:15 AM (Ua6T/)

490 "52 The Dutch alas are tragically human. It was not only the Jews that got treated badly, but after they lost the Dutch East Indies and many who were born in what is now Indonesia and who had fought the Japanese when they returned to Holland they were treated very badly for losing - by people who had surrendered to the Germans. " The Dutch do have form, their peacekeepers stood by and watched the Serbs slaughter Bosnian Muslims in Srebrenica.

Posted by: Decaf at April 28, 2014 02:21 AM (necV2)

491 Morning all, Semi-random ammo update. 22lr availability below .08 per round has sucked for about the last ten days. 9mm is everywhere at .26 per round, and .223 is showing up regularly online for about .33-.35 per round. And it is supposed to rain for the next four days. PSP's Mid-Atlantic Open will be next weekend at Chesapeake City Maryland, so we will be spending the weekend watching some of the best speedball players in the world of paintball. Hope it's not too muddy that weekend.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2014 02:39 AM (X2NEw)

492 I think it was George Marshal who said something to the effect that the best way to do something for people in the camps was to defeat the Axis powers as quickly as possible. I have yet to read anything that seriously disputes that analysis. One of the reasons that reports of he Holocaust were dismissed is that during WW I extreme and untrue stories had been circulated about the Germans so that many people assumed that stories about extermination camps were assumed to be more of the same. One of the criticisms made of the Allies is that they did not bomb the railroads leading into Auschwitz or destroy the gas chambers or crematoria. Bombing was a lot less precise in the 1940s than it is today. There were no smart bombs. There were no radar guidance systems. The United States paid compensation to Switzerland on several occasions when bombing formations were so off in their navigation that they missed Germany. In any event, by late in the war, the Germans had gotten very good at repairing bombed railroads. They kept stockpiles of gravel, ties and rails deployed where they could be used quickly and sometimes they had the track repaired before the bombers had returned to base.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at April 28, 2014 02:45 AM (PD6iL)

493 Missed the comments about the traffic circles. A properly sized circle is a wonderful traffic device. The one in downtown Towson Md is not such a creature. Much too small for the two lanes feeding from each road, and with five roads into it, there is no room to get into the proper position to exit in time.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at April 28, 2014 02:46 AM (X2NEw)

494 492 I think it was George Marshal who said something to the effect that the best way to do something for people in the camps was to defeat the Axis powers as quickly as possible. I have yet to read anything that seriously disputes that analysis. Generally it's best to go with a contemporary expert, and he would be high on the list of people who got the big picture and likely saw all.

Posted by: Jean at April 28, 2014 02:58 AM (Aqvh6)

495 >>> A properly sized circle is a wonderful traffic device. I know of a couple in New Hampshire that seem to be designed for 'traffic calming'. I'm a much calmer driver when I know I won't be needlessly delayed.

Posted by: fluffy at April 28, 2014 02:59 AM (Ua6T/)

496 434 Also from Malcolm, Jane Kaczmarek is one of the few bright spots in later seasons of "The Simpsons" as her too-tough-to-live Juvenile Court Judge character. "Bart reminds me of many years ago, when I was a little boy!" Posted by: qdpsteve at April 28, 2014 01:45 AM (HVI5a) "Uh, did she just say she used to be a dude?"

Posted by: Snake at April 28, 2014 03:00 AM (tzfu2)

497 It's great that the CNN chick was wrong about the police never ordering Zimmerman to remain in his car, but that debate misses a bigger picture - one that "journalists" (and even those on our side debating the "journalists") - always miss. What authority would "the police" (I put "police" in scare quotes because in this instance it wasn't any police officer but a 911 dispatcher who was doing the "ordering") in that situation have to "order" Zimmerman to remain in his car? If I call 911 and they "order" me to do something - do I have to follow that order? Why? Under what authority? The simple answer is that even if the 911 dispatcher "ordered" Zimmerman to remain in his car - it would be meaningless. It would have not validity or legal force. the fact that so many of our fellow Americans seem to believe the opposite - that a 911 dispatcher has full authority to order a citizen to do this or that - is truly frightening.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at April 28, 2014 03:12 AM (3ZtZW)

498 They're forgetting Shepherd Wong and the egg salad recipe.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 28, 2014 03:21 AM (V4CBV)

499 "first-generation woman of color". ?????

Posted by: Jerome at April 28, 2014 08:04 AM (eQa5p)

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