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April 26, 2014

Political Thread for Saturday: Is This Religious Discrimination Or Not? [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

For those of you who want to talk politics, here's a story that should generate some discussion, courtesy of @Will_Antonin's tweeter feed:

A prospective student at the Community College of Baltimore County sued school officials in federal court this week, contending that he was denied admission to an academic program based on an expression of his religious beliefs.
Brandon Jenkins, who is being represented by the Washington-based American Center for Law and Justice, said in the lawsuit that when asked what was most important to him during an interview with CCBC officials as part of the application process last spring, he responded: "My God."

Make sure to read the whole article (which is short) at The Baltimore Sun.

I had an nice exchange with Will via Twitter. (You should follow him, btw.) His take in his original tweet about this was that the applicant was rejected because of his Christianity.

The interesting thing is that no where in that article does the student say he's a Christian. He may very well be, but it's not mentioned. I think we've all become so irritated by the double-standard the PC police are applying to Christians versus the Religion of Peace, that sometimes we see anti-Christian bias when it does not exist.

Secondly, when you read the Baltimore Sun article, you find out that the applicant had several factors weighing against his admission to what is a competitive program with limited available slots. Per the admissions officer, his grades were weaker than other applicants' and his criminal record (for drug and theft offenses) would render it difficult for him to land a job in the state of Maryland, his chosen state for future employment.

The program director does also mention the applicant's references to his religion during the interview as being a factor:

"I understand that religion is a major part of your life and that was evident in your recommendation letters, however, this field is not the place for religion," wrote program director Adrienne Dougherty. "We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process."

In my opinion, that was very sloppy by the program director -- and unnecessary. They appeared to have other more solid grounds for rejecting his application. (Unsurprisingly, the statement by the college's lawyer was significantly better. See the article for that.)

I thought it was noteworthy that the admissions officer was far more careful about how he addressed the criminal record. There it was made clear that it was the job placement difficulties that were the primary concern, rather than the criminal record itself. (I *think* it may be illegal to discriminate based on a person's past criminal record (for non-bonded positions), but I could be wrong about that.) Why is that relevant? Well in many academic fields, programs are ranked based on their job placement statistics, so it's certainly relevant to the community college that they admit employable students.

So the question is, is this a case of a Christian being rejected for being a Christian? My hunch is that it isn't. The college appeared to be reacting to this applicant's behavior during the interview. It's hard to tell based on what we're told in this article, but my take is that this applicant was unable to navigate through the interview process without drifting into something verging on proselytization. It's fine to be motivated by your religious convictions, but when you are vying for admission to a professional degree program, it's important to be able to communicate your professional motivations for doing so. Being able to interact effectively with people in a purely professional plane is important.

Just my two cents. YMMV.

Open thread.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:17 AM | Comments (167)
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1 even if it is religious discrimination it is uh "okay" because he did NOT in fact say "My Allah"

//SCotUS

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 07:19 AM (TE35l)

2 The kid shouldn't have gotten the position. And the programming director should be fired for being a bigot.

Posted by: buzzion at April 26, 2014 07:20 AM (LI48c)

3
Yesterday I made a bet that Juan McCain would end up endorsing Hillary. I just didn't realize it would be today.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:21 AM (hJauc)

4 Yeah, I'm really not sure if he's even a Christian, sven. I was too lazy to dig around and see if I could figure it out. Given that he's an ex-con, he could very well be a ROP convert.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 07:21 AM (zDsvJ)

5 Methinks the litigant doth protest too much about discrimination when in fact he doth present a problamatic track record.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 07:21 AM (CWIQ2)

6 I assume he's a Person of Pallor.

Posted by: toby928© at April 26, 2014 07:21 AM (QupBk)

7 "tweeter feed" What the heck was I thinking when I typed that? Oh, well, it's a funny typo. I'll leave it up.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 07:22 AM (zDsvJ)

8 Maybe during the interview, sensing it was going badly, he nervously pulled out and began handling a snake, a la Lt. Cmdr Queeg.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 26, 2014 07:23 AM (BAS5M)

9 Perhaps he was startled by the enormity of the question, and said OMG! In which I would have bounced him too.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:24 AM (aDwsi)

10 Yesterday I made a bet that Juan McCain would end up endorsing Hillary. I just didn't realize it would be today. Astonishing isn't it. If he was a smart man, I would almost want to think he sees Hillary as the weaker opponent, but since it's John McCain, nah. He should just announce his move to the other caucus and be done with it.

Posted by: toby928© at April 26, 2014 07:24 AM (QupBk)

11 "In which case..." Moar coffee..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:24 AM (aDwsi)

12 "I understand that religion is a major part of your life and that was evident in your recommendation letters, however, this field is not the place for religion," wrote program director Adrienne Dougherty. "We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process." Uh, sorry, no.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:25 AM (oMKp3)

13 Here is the ACLJ post on the case
http://tinyurl.com/krvk3r2

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 07:25 AM (CWIQ2)

14 Â…geometric logic

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 26, 2014 07:25 AM (V4CBV)

15 While they had many legitimate reasons to not select him, THEY seemed to emphasize his religion It's not that they could have properly rejected him, it's what was the most overriding reason they did so. If his religion was the determining factor, it's discrimination However, I admit my own prejudice. If he were an observant Muslim, and made that statement. I would not select him either. Nidal Hassan comes to mind

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:25 AM (zOTsN)

16 Who needs God? #Inhashtagwetrust

Posted by: Jenn Psuki at April 26, 2014 07:25 AM (GW/jL)

17 The programmer's comments are damning. Lawsuit city.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:26 AM (aDwsi)

18 Smart diplomacy. John Kerry's dog now has a Twitter account. http://tinyurl.com/kyx3srj

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 26, 2014 07:26 AM (3/+v6)

19 McCain is back to trolling America again. Do you think it possible he has gone crazy? (Like in a medical sense) http://wapo.st/1lT8nXn

Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 07:26 AM (F58x4)

20 Diversity and tolerance...Or Else!

Posted by: PC at April 26, 2014 07:27 AM (SlxsT)

21 This is the college I attend. This is the college which has pushed me away from academia beyond this first degree.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 07:27 AM (N/cFh)

22 I don't think he was kept out based solely on his religious views, but the program director's statement also makes it seem like his religion was a factor. There appear to be plenty of valid reasons to exclude him and if he wandered off into religious discussion that had nothing to do with the interview, well then we're talking about his ability to communicate and function publicly, not really his religion. The program director should be fired for being terminally stupid. That statement guarantees a discrimination suit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 07:28 AM (GEICT)

23 Stana Katic, the supermodel detective from Castle, sent out a message in return to McCain. It's a good one. http://bit.ly/1mICFh4

Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 07:28 AM (F58x4)

24 3 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 11:21 AM (hJauc)

Heh you just don't understand the strategic brilliance little tiger...

//Juan "Mav" Queeg real genius

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 07:28 AM (TE35l)

25 I'd just like to reiterate that I often refer to it as "college with a K", and that the only things I've learned have been to play the piano, and that I have white privilege.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 07:28 AM (N/cFh)

26 Brandon first applied for admission to the Radiation Therapy Program in April 2013. He met the standards of a competitive candidate and scored the maximum points allowed during his observation. During the interview process, college officials asked Brandon, Â“What is the most important thing to you.Â” Brandon answered simply, Â“My God.Â” He met the requirements. He scored the maximum amount of points. He was asked a question. He answered it. I would have answered the same way, and in fact I have.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:28 AM (oMKp3)

27
"CCBC's lawyer also pointed out that Jenkins has a criminal record that includes drug and theft charges."

Nothing in the application process seems to require passing a criminal background check:

http://tinyurl.com/kwwrk6p

and nothing in the next step either:

"Upon successful completion of the admissions process the top qualified applicants will be contacted to schedule an interview. Qualified candidates will then be evaluated by their GPA, interview, critical thinking skills, a written sample, and a scheduled observation day."

So, Baltimore looks to be on shaky ground by making new requirements on the fly.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 26, 2014 07:29 AM (kdS6q)

28 The best answer to such a question is "I'm not sure, it keeps changing as I grow older." Or, "Your Mama"

Posted by: eman at April 26, 2014 07:29 AM (AO9UG)

29 too lazy to read the details, however I understand this program has something to do with hospitals and medicine. now imagine you need a life saving heart surgery where the positive outcome is mostly due to the doctor's personal ability. Would you want someone that has someone above you to answer to or you want a bureaucrat that does not give a shit because regardless of the outcome of the surgery the hospital insurance will pay?

Posted by: fromabroad at April 26, 2014 07:30 AM (rnV3B)

30 25 I'd just like to reiterate that I often refer to it as "college with a K", and that the only things I've learned have been to play the piano, and that I have white privilege. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:28 AM (N/cFh) Wel, you are blindingly white, but I never knew that was a privilege.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 07:30 AM (GEICT)

31 Exactly which program was he trying to enter?

Posted by: Commissar Pug at April 26, 2014 07:31 AM (8c12T)

32
The program director thinks they are being helpful in offering interview advice, they are not.

Plus who says a person of one religion can't help a person of another religion*. Its a silly thing to say.

*ok, I have heard muzzies being instructed not to, but they could if they had a mind to.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:31 AM (hJauc)

33 4 Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 11:21 AM (zDsvJ)

Pretty much...
at this point I am usually 95% safe to assume they are either saying "fuck whitey" or "fuck Christianity" and be done with it...

You know Y-not a smart Conservatism would be working to convince the prisoners Ogabe is fixing to reenfranchise to believe in economic liberty.....joined by a smart Christianity counter-converting vice Islam....

wonder where I can fine these smart movements?

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 07:31 AM (TE35l)

34 when asked what was most important to him..., he responded: "My God." Personally, I was kind of flattered...

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 26, 2014 07:31 AM (FcR7P)

35 Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:27 AM (N/cFh) Based on your first-hand knowledge, what is your guess as to the motivation? Personally, I find it telling that they handled the criminal record part carefully but didn't feel the *need* to do that with the religion part. Like someone said above, the student probably shouldn't get placed *and* the administrator is probably a bigot.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 07:31 AM (GDulk)

36 31 Exactly which program was he trying to enter? Radiation therapy.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:31 AM (oMKp3)

37 30 Wel, you are blindingly white, but I never knew that was a privilege. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 11:30 AM (GEICT) --- Oh yes, didn't you know? Simply based on the colour of my skin, I get free shit and married well and live in a neighbourhood which isn't rife with drug runners and violent crime!

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 07:32 AM (N/cFh)

38 Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 11:28 AM (F58x4) I can't see it for some reason. What did she say?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 07:32 AM (GDulk)

39 A nation which was built on and sustained itself through Judeo-Christian principles is now well on the way to making those principles a "Hate Crime" That's one big reason why I don't share the "we're Americans, we'll get through anything" optimism Oh, and I move that a boneheaded historical attribution that I made in the thread below should be a Barrel Offense. I know that it was de Toqueville but my caffeine deprived brain said "French guy who predicted the FSA" and typed "Rousseau" I humbly plead guilty with an explanation and submit myself to the Barrel Star Chamber

Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2014 07:33 AM (aTXUx)

40 "CCBC's lawyer also pointed out that Jenkins has a criminal record that includes drug and theft charges." I go to a community college. There is NOTHING that will exclude you except something un-PC.

Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2014 07:33 AM (FcR7P)

41 27 Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 26, 2014 11:29 AM (kdS6q)

Besides which last time I checked isn't the party that runs Baltimore in bed with people who say CBCs and Credit Scores being part of an interview process is RAYCISS!?!

The guy *has* to be white.

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 07:33 AM (TE35l)

42 if he had said 'my obama' he would have been approved. Note that in his future job he would have had to deal with patients of different political orientation unless the democrats succeed in eliminating all of them. if he had said 'my boyfriend's cock' he would have been approved.

Posted by: fromabroad at April 26, 2014 07:33 AM (rnV3B)

43 Stale joke: An old guy is being interviewed by an HR person for a job. HR person: What do you feel is your worst quality? Old Guy: I'm too honest. HR person: Well, I don't think honesty is a bad quality... Old Guy: I don't give a shit what you think.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:33 AM (aDwsi)

44
The white keys on a piano are racist. Just sayin.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (hJauc)

45
The white keys on a piano are racist. Just sayin.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (hJauc)

46 Oh yes, didn't you know? Simply based on the colour of my skin, I get free shit and married well and live in a neighbourhood which isn't rife with drug runners and violent crime! Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:32 AM (N/cFh) You forgot about the comfy job (if you want one) and the piles of money!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (GEICT)

47 Oh yes, didn't you know? Simply based on the colour of my skin, I get free shit and married well and live in a neighbourhood which isn't rife with drug runners and violent crime! Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:32 AM (N/cFh) You forgot about the comfy job (if you want one) and the piles of money!

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (GEICT)

48 I'm here this morning because the 5 inches of new snow have me trapped in the house again. Send global warming, please.

Posted by: fairweatherbill deerslayer at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (h24EC)

49 I'm here this morning because the 5 inches of new snow have me trapped in the house again. Send global warming, please.

Posted by: fairweatherbill deerslayer at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (h24EC)

50 Radiology. The X-ray guy. I have been trying to find his info, but I wonder if he is ROP. And sorry, that matters to me. I am a bigot on that. I am very tired of sudden jihadi syndrome

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (zOTsN)

51 Radiology. The X-ray guy. I have been trying to find his info, but I wonder if he is ROP. And sorry, that matters to me. I am a bigot on that. I am very tired of sudden jihadi syndrome

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:34 AM (zOTsN)

52 So leftists that run admissions at Community Colleges judge people on their past actions like crimes etc...? I'm shocked that they would act in such an 18th century manner in the 21st century.... Judging people is something those "other" people do....like rightwing facist republicans.... or teabagger extremists...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 26, 2014 07:35 AM (UYSXU)

53 So leftists that run admissions at Community Colleges judge people on their past actions like crimes etc...? I'm shocked that they would act in such an 18th century manner in the 21st century.... Judging people is something those "other" people do....like rightwing facist republicans.... or teabagger extremists...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 26, 2014 07:35 AM (UYSXU)

54 25 I'd just like to reiterate that I often refer to it as "college with a K", and that the only things I've learned have been to play the piano, and that I have white privilege. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:28 AM (N/cFh) --When my stepbrother went to Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School they referred to Montgomery College as MK.

Posted by: logprof at April 26, 2014 07:35 AM (GW/jL)

55 25 I'd just like to reiterate that I often refer to it as "college with a K", and that the only things I've learned have been to play the piano, and that I have white privilege. Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:28 AM (N/cFh) --When my stepbrother went to Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School they referred to Montgomery College as MK.

Posted by: logprof at April 26, 2014 07:35 AM (GW/jL)

56 I don't know about college, but it certainly is NOT illegal to reject job applicants for their criminal background. Essentially all job applications will ask for information about felony convictions, and you better be honest about answering the question.

The thing that's odd to me here is... community college? In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 07:36 AM (BeSEI)

57 I don't know about college, but it certainly is NOT illegal to reject job applicants for their criminal background. Essentially all job applications will ask for information about felony convictions, and you better be honest about answering the question.

The thing that's odd to me here is... community college? In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 07:36 AM (BeSEI)

58 In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college. Posted by: BurtTC ------------------ And that's when the fight started.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:36 AM (aDwsi)

59 This link to Stana Katics tweet might work better: http://bit.ly/1kfTOhe

Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 07:36 AM (F58x4)

60 In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college. Posted by: BurtTC ------------------ And that's when the fight started.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:36 AM (aDwsi)

61 This link to Stana Katics tweet might work better: http://bit.ly/1kfTOhe

Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 07:36 AM (F58x4)

62 His Christianity was considered a negative in his application. If he were a Muslim or an eco-freak they would not have. Now, it sounds like there were other reasons to reject him but...so what? On a pure reading of the way the courts currently rule he should win. More importantly if he does not win the left will see this as a signal that they can explicitly deny jobs/promotions/college admissions to Christians. This latter point is the most important one.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 26, 2014 07:37 AM (M3hAT)

63 http://tinyurl.com/kmhd24k admission requirements for the program nothing about having a record......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 26, 2014 07:37 AM (u8GsB)

64 Oh yes, didn't you know? Simply based on the colour of my skin, I get free shit and married well and live in a neighbourhood which isn't rife with drug runners and violent crime! Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:32 AM (N/cFh) Reminds me of that line from The Sarge in "Hamburger Hill" and his reaction to a black soldier's complaint that whites have it made "Excuse me while I pull the silver spoon out of my ass"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2014 07:37 AM (aTXUx)

65 ACLJ is the organization that often represents Christians and religious freedom. They are the ones representing Pastor Anedini, the American pastor being held captive in Iran. They are headed by Jay Sekolow. I doubt that this is a jihadi client.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:37 AM (oMKp3)

66 35 Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 11:27 AM (N/cFh) Based on your first-hand knowledge, what is your guess as to the motivation? Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 11:31 AM (GDulk --- I wouldn't actually expect it's all about religion. Typically, female black academic liberals are Christian IN MY EXPERIENCE in this area. She may have actually genuinely felt there was no point in admitting the guy into a program to train him in a field which he couldn't find employment; instead giving the space to a more promising student. She may have felt it was more acceptable to discriminate based on his religion, because she's an IDIOT. Can I just share that I didn't go into an allied health program because I felt the director was a complete idiot? I had to edit her weekly assignments for her, for chrissakes, don't get sick in Baltimore, y'all! And if you do, go directly to a doctor and avoid anyone ccbc educated!

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 07:38 AM (N/cFh)

67 Read some other articles about this. Yes, he's Christian.

Posted by: t-bird at April 26, 2014 07:38 AM (FcR7P)

68 50 I don't know about college, but it certainly is NOT illegal to reject job applicants for their criminal background. Essentially all job applications will ask for information about felony convictions, and you better be honest about answering the question. The thing that's odd to me here is... community college? In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college. Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 11:36 AM (BeSEI) he could get in the jc he just wasn't accepted into this "special program"

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at April 26, 2014 07:39 AM (u8GsB)

69 Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 11:36 AM (F58x4) Did she send that directly to McCain? If so I like her even better than I did.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 07:39 AM (GDulk)

70 ...of course.... being a Christian IS now a hatecrime.... what else could it be.... after all a Christian places his/her God above Government...and THAT simply cannot stand. This story fits in nicely with the Mozilla story...both are at heart... the story of Obama.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 26, 2014 07:39 AM (UYSXU)

71 My experience with Towson academics has not been good.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 07:39 AM (aDwsi)

72 NDHÂ….if you're still around, you've got mail.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 26, 2014 07:41 AM (GEICT)

73 What they told him is, if you completed the program, the state still would not certify you to practice because of your record. They will take your money for law school, but the state bar may not admit you You would think that a state body would be reluctant to give a license to medical practitioners with a history of drug abuse. You would think However I have seen where they have completely ignored the drug abuse of nurses and doctors, and not passed the info on to another state when they were moving

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:41 AM (zOTsN)

74 From the ACLJ post on Jenkin's case -

This, CCBC asserts, was not Â“the best answer.Â” CCBC further stated, "andidates who describe thoughtful considerations about what the candidate will contribute as an individual to patients and the advancement of care make far better therapists than those who are told by others [God] to pursue the field. . . the fact is that in any secular job or program interview it is better to have a concrete reason for wanting to undertake the training at hand than to say only that God directed one to do it."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 07:42 AM (CWIQ2)

75 I humbly plead guilty with an explanation and submit myself to the Barrel Star Chamber Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2014 11:33 AM (aTXUx) **** Aw heck kdabear- if that were a barrel-able offense there'd be a line down the street and around the block of Morons waiting to get in the barrel. We've all done the same and worse.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at April 26, 2014 07:42 AM (MKpBT)

76 Yeah... In pretty much any context, if you say, you shouldn't have raised this issue, you put yourself in a bad position. Imagine if he had said, you shouldn't bring up your Catholicism in future interviews. Some action should be taken.

Posted by: Boone at April 26, 2014 07:42 AM (aDkn+)

77 nice piece OB, Sorry to say but "Jack, it is Baltimore" 2 blocks off Johnny Hopps University there is a jungle. Ask any Beat Cop .

Posted by: 7 Days in May at April 26, 2014 07:42 AM (5V+Di)

78 61 Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 26, 2014 11:39 AM (UYSXU)

Hey uh you can be the kind of Christian I am...

who acknowledges the beauty of the Islamic call to prayer and that being Christian means living up to my principles and when I say *my* I don't mean you get to er live up to your principles I uh mean you get to live up to MY principles.

//Ba-rawn-ko O'bama Sports Drink CEO

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 07:42 AM (TE35l)

79 50 The thing that's odd to me here is... community college? In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college. Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 11:36 AM (BeSEI) --- Pardon. I chose community college because I'm not taking government money to pay for my education.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 07:43 AM (N/cFh)

80 59 -

Thanks, I missed that part, I guess.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 07:44 AM (BeSEI)

81 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 11:42 AM (CWIQ2) In other words, give us the standard pap answer we've all become accustomed to hearing. " I want to help people and make the world a better place." gag

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:44 AM (oMKp3)

82
It seems to me that alot of the people that help drug abusers are former drug abusers and many employed by the govt, so not sure if it is all that out of bounds even if the job is medically different.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 26, 2014 07:45 AM (hJauc)

83 Gardening thread up.

Posted by: Y-not at April 26, 2014 07:45 AM (zDsvJ)

84 In a weird way, I wish more colleges would say " this is a waste of your time and money" rather than not care about eventual employment and just take in those tuition dollars

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:46 AM (zOTsN)

85 The thing that's odd to me here is... community college? In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college. Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 11:36 AM (BeSEI) Let's see. A "real" college costs 5-20 times as much as a community college. The first 2 years of courses, the GURs, are the same watered down bullshit at either one, and credits are transferable from community colleges to "real" colleges. Hmm. So, at a community college you can get the same education, check off the same box for 4 year degree requirement, yet pay substantially less doing so. And you say the stupid ones are the ones who go to community college? That's some fine thinking there Burt old bean. You'd make a great DC democrat, you share their "logic".

Posted by: Weirddave at April 26, 2014 07:47 AM (N/cFh)

86
it certainly is NOT illegal to reject job applicants for their criminal background.
Posted by: BurtTC

Ha ha ha! Prepare to get your ass sued.

The nuances vary by state and the Federal law is also in flux, but in California, it is illegal to ask a job applicant about their criminal background. After you make a job OFFER, but before employment starts, you may -- if directly relevant to the job -- check. Sometimes.

However, the CA Dems are about to change the law to much narrower restrictions that in practice becomes almost no checks no time. Other states and cities are going the same way. It's a liberal thing.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 26, 2014 07:47 AM (kdS6q)

87 75 In a weird way, I wish more colleges would say " this is a waste of your time and money" rather than not care about eventual employment and just take in those tuition dollars Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 11:46 AM (zOTsN) My daughter teaches nursing. She flunked half of her fourth-year students this semester. Half. She plain out tells them, this field is not for you. You won't make it. It's a pity she doesn't get to them sooner, before they waste all that time and money. But she only teaches final year.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 07:48 AM (oMKp3)

88 I think drug use is relevant if your preferred position would allow you to have access to or write prescriptions. But again, I have seen state boards totally ignore it as long as the person is going away to another state

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:48 AM (zOTsN)

89 Choom-in-Chief did plenty of drugs, and even wrote about it in a book. He just didn't get caught. I guess the qualifications for Radiation Therapy exceed those of US President.

Posted by: Hadoop at April 26, 2014 07:51 AM (Ph479)

90 76 -

I didn't say any of the things you say I did. You assumed those.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 07:51 AM (BeSEI)

91 Everyone corgi'd off to gardening thread?

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 07:51 AM (zOTsN)

92 77 -

My mistake. I was thinking "sane world" standards. We are increasingly not living in a sane world.

I do believe however, the federal discrimination laws do NOT cover criminal history... or at least don't SAY they cover it. How it's being interpreted, I have no idea.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 07:53 AM (BeSEI)

93 Well that new thread has Giada in white looking smug while the juicy juices of murdered tomatoes fall at her feet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 26, 2014 07:53 AM (CWIQ2)

94 "I understand that religion is a major part of your life and that was evident in your recommendation letters, however, this field is not the place for religion," wrote program director Adrienne Dougherty. "We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process." Sounds like there were reasons for not accepting this guy based on his scores and his jail background. However, the program director sounds like she might be a bigot. "You just keep your little old religion to yourself and don't mention it except on Sunday morning from 11:00-12:00." Every place is a place for your Christian faith to positively impact how you live your life. Should the guy we allowed to aggressively proselytize before he gives radiation treatments-no-and there's no indication that he would have done so. I guess he was was supposed to say "Being a radiation therapist is the most important thing in my life."

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 07:57 AM (XyM/Y)

95 2 blocks off Johnny Hopps University there is a jungle. Ask any Beat Cop . Posted by: 7 Days in May at April 26, 2014 11:42 AM (5V+Di) *sigh* You really should stop posting bullshit. North and West of Hopkins is Guilford and Roland Park, old, OLD Baltimore money and houses that cost more than I'll make in a lifetime. Not a "jungle". East down 33rd takes you into Waverly, a traditionally blue collar working neighborhood that's fallen down a bit but I wouldn't be afraid to walk through it at night. Your best bet to support your BS statement is south down Maryland Ave, but that doesn't even get kinda sketchy until you cross 25th street and not real sketchy until you hit North Ave. So no, JHU doesn't sit in the middle of "a jungle". Please stop with your uninformed idiocy.

Posted by: Weirddave at April 26, 2014 08:01 AM (N/cFh)

96 81 Please, pray tell how I misinterpreted " In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college." I'm not a smart man, somehow I missed the complement hidden in your statement.

Posted by: Weirddave at April 26, 2014 08:04 AM (N/cFh)

97 Roland Park is beautiful. Most of NW Baltimore is beautiful. It is when you get to the North and East of Baltimore that the neighborhoods get a bit dodgy.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 26, 2014 08:06 AM (jucos)

98 86 Posted by: Weirddave at April 26, 2014 12:01 PM (N/cFh)

the area around Johns Hopkins however...

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 08:08 AM (TE35l)

99 First, the student was told by the program head that his past would not prevent him from getting a job prior to the interview. After the interview, his past was suddenly an issue. Secondly, what is unclear is if we are talking about criminal charges or convictions? If just "charges," an employer cannot ask about that by law. In addition, Maryland already has passed a "ban the box" law for state employee applicants and is pushing to extend that law into the private sector. Such a law would prevent employers from asking about convictions on applications. It would also limit rejection of applicants because of a conviction to areas which directly impact the job for which the applicant is applying. It should also be noted that even given his past, this guy has been serving as a head of a religious home for 4 years which helps gets men off the streets and find jobs for them. I personally believe that if you want to look at even a conviction for a crime for a crime that occurred ten years ago, his actions for the last 4 years must be balanced against that conviction. His apparent rehabilitation is what the criminal justice system is supposed to bring about. If you start to look at the reasons given for the rejection, either through prior contradictory statements of legal fallacies, the school's reasons fall apart. The only thing left is the religious reason which is clearly discriminatory.

Posted by: gitarcarver at April 26, 2014 08:08 AM (dJeh4)

100
2 blocks off Johnny Hopps University there is a jungle.
Posted by: 7 Days in May

Not a "jungle".
Posted by: Weirddave

You two figure it out. http://crimebaltimore.com

But from a personal perspective, had a relative that was a sworn University cop, and he clued me that only a fraction of campus crimes actually make it on to the official stats. Don't want to frighten away those Chinese exchange students paying full gate.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 26, 2014 08:10 AM (kdS6q)

101 Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 11:39 AM (GDulk) I wish, but no, it was my idea that the tweet fit McCain perfectly. Because someone needs to tell him not to be a dick. Every few minutes, probably.

Posted by: MTF at April 26, 2014 08:11 AM (F58x4)

102 The thing that's odd to me here is... community college? In what universe do community colleges have admissions criteria? I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college. Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 11:36 AM (BeSEI) -------- Graduated from a 2 year JC summa cum laude which earned me a scholarship to a respectable 4 year university where I also graduated summa cum laude. Care to rephrase? In the case at hand it's clear religious discrimination and likely political discrimination because if he's now a devout Christian, he's also probably conservative. Can't permit people like that to succeed, can we?

Posted by: njrob at April 26, 2014 08:12 AM (HHCKQ)

103 80 Choom-in-Chief did plenty of drugs, and even wrote about it in a book. He just didn't get caught. I guess the qualifications for Radiation Therapy exceed those of US President. Posted by: Hadoop at April 26, 2014 11:51 AM (Ph479) There are no requirements for President except being older than 35, and i'm not sure that would even fly. It occurs to me if no one has the authority to insure that someone is a natural born citizen (per many court cases) then no one also has the authority to enforce any of the other requirements either.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 26, 2014 08:16 AM (bb5+k)

104 87 -

It wasn't meant to be a compliment. And if you are being condescending with your "I'm not a smart man" comment, this is going to embarrass you:

If we assume dumb people go to community colleges because they CAN'T get into better schools, that DOES NOT mean everyone who goes to community college falls into that category.

There, done.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 08:17 AM (BeSEI)

105 Community colleges have competitive programs -- usually in medical fields. I had a neighbor who went back to school and took her science requirements at a CC. It was very competitive. She's now a medical doctor. The people who teach at these schools are the same who teach at the local universities.

Posted by: Commissar Pug at April 26, 2014 08:18 AM (8c12T)

106 94 Posted by: D-Lamp at April 26, 2014 12:16 PM (bb5+k)

Biber/Cyrus '16-why the fuck not?

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 08:18 AM (TE35l)

107 93 -

Nope. Not going to rephrase.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 08:18 AM (BeSEI)

108 Posted by: gitarcarver at April 26, 2014 12:08 PM (dJeh4) Good information. Thanks!

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 08:19 AM (oMKp3)

109 So did Obama pay his broke-ass aunt a minimum wage when she was his illegal alien nanny. And when did he decide to cut off all contact and pretend he was unaware she existed? I'm guessing about the time he realized he could become President some day So uber-rich Obama cut her off completely, and let her live out her days in crime-ridden, disease filled public housing getting crap medical care. Which probably contributed to her early death. Bet a few bucks from the rich nephew she used to work for as an illegal nanny might have helped as she got old -- but Obama didn't want to risk any political fallout. So he just let her rot. This would be a scandal if he weren't a black Democrat. What a heartless dick NYT: Aunt Zeituni was Barack & Michelle's nanny http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/04/nyt-aunt-zeituni-was-barack-michelles.html

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 26, 2014 08:20 AM (ZPrif)

110 Biber/Cyrus '16-why the fuck not? Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 12:18 PM (TE35l) Might as well be Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho nowadays.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 26, 2014 08:21 AM (bb5+k)

111 Rand Paul: Amnesty will pass this year. Fuck him.

Posted by: Behind Enemy Lines at April 26, 2014 08:21 AM (thLL8)

112 Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 26, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif) I think I read somewhere that Obama did not go to her funeral, but went golfing instead.

Posted by: grammie winger. Romans 1:16 at April 26, 2014 08:22 AM (oMKp3)

113 100 - Michelle and Barack believe in giving...., just not giving personally. Recall that they do not give their children presents...., well, except for lavish vacations.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:23 AM (aDwsi)

114 So uber-rich Obama cut her off completely, and let her live out her days in crime-ridden, disease filled public housing getting crap medical care. Which probably contributed to her early death. Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 26, 2014 12:20 PM (ZPrif) And don't forget about his impoverished brother. It's a good thing he cares more about us than he does about his family.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 26, 2014 08:24 AM (bb5+k)

115 Imagine some rich white Repub -- maybe a son of Lithuanian immigrants -- who brings over his illegal alien aunt to be his illegal nanny paying her below minimum wage. And then when he realizes he's being groomed for high office he cuts her off cold turkey. Won't acknowledge she exists, and lets her rot in public housing. Won't lift a finger to help his aunt who helped raise his kids -- cause even though he's rich as hell and a few grand could make a huge difference in her life, he's worried about the political fallout. No, best to pretend he's not even aware she exists. He's got millions, she's got nothing. But he has to hide the secret. What a heartless dick.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 26, 2014 08:24 AM (ZPrif)

116 Community colleges and vo-tech schools are excellent ways for people to pursue higher education or learn a trade, and they don't have to go into hock to do it. Government "financial aid" is nothing more than a taxpayer subsidy for the elite Marxist indoctrination centers. Get rid of that, and tuition will rapidly come down to what people can actually afford to pay. If that puts "studies" professors out on the street, so much the better.

Posted by: rickl at April 26, 2014 08:24 AM (sdi6R)

117 >>>I think I read somewhere that Obama did not go to her funeral, but went golfing instead. -------- True, but Jugears did dedicate his 6th hole birdie to his dead aunt, so there's that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 26, 2014 08:25 AM (eSK7G)

118 Online Universities will be the wave of the future. Higher Education Bubble is about to burst. It is educational malpractice to demand $100k to $150k from a student when the return on some degrees is so poor. People are starting to catch on.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 26, 2014 08:26 AM (jucos)

119 Nope. Not going to rephrase. Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 12:18 PM (BeSEI) ----- Then all you are doing is showing your ignorance. The majority of people going to universities are getting useless liberal arts degrees and paying through the nose for the privilege. If you are going to get a worthless piece of paper, it makes more sense to save some money at a 2 year junior college first. P.S. My degree is a Bachelors of Science so you can save the heckling for someone who cares.

Posted by: njrob at April 26, 2014 08:27 AM (HHCKQ)

120 108 - "This putt's for you Aunt Zeituni."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 08:27 AM (aDwsi)

121 Is the guy's name Jesse Pinkman by any chance?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at April 26, 2014 08:27 AM (D+5pt)

122 111 Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 26, 2014 12:27 PM (aDwsi)

there are those...there are those...hey watch this drive!

//King Putt

of course I am being a tad hypocritical I'd give a 1/4 my money for the fucker to golf more and SCOAMF less

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 08:28 AM (TE35l)

123 If Obama has what was known as NPD ,but which has been removed from the latest DSM, then his cutting off his aunt who had been the kids nanny is not a surprise at all as sad and wrong as it was. We all have probably acted towards people in our life that we are sorry for. However people with NPD are known for using people and then discarding them when they are no longer useful.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 08:28 AM (XyM/Y)

124 I thought that's where people go when they can't get into a REAL college.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 11:36 AM (BeSEI)

Your mom goes to college!

Posted by: Kip D. at April 26, 2014 08:30 AM (2DunM)

125 What are the odds Obama complied with tax and employment laws with his illegal alien aunt nanny? No doubt it was all off the books and under the table.

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 26, 2014 08:30 AM (ZPrif)

126 And from the Scarred for Life Department:

Caught on Videotape: OMG School Teacher, Felicia Smith, Gives Student A Lap Dance

http://preview.tinyurl.com/k3on8so

Posted by: --- at April 26, 2014 08:31 AM (MMC8r)

127 I ll just say that for a three-credit course at my Community College, I pay $457.50; for the same three-credit course at the university nearest to me, I'd pay $1600 and in all likelihood be taught by the same professor.

Posted by: Gingy @GingyNorth at April 26, 2014 08:31 AM (N/cFh)

128 110 -

Read what I said at post 95, or leave your panties bunched.

Either way, I don't care which.

Maybe logic isn't a requirement for a BS degree... which is a shame, really.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 08:32 AM (BeSEI)

129 True, but Jugears did dedicate his 6th hole birdie to his dead aunt, so there's that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 26, 2014 12:25 PM (eSK7G)

____________________

Assumes facts not in evidence.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 26, 2014 08:33 AM (jucos)

130 109 Online Universities will be the wave of the future. Higher Education Bubble is about to burst. It is educational malpractice to demand $100k to $150k from a student when the return on some degrees is so poor. People are starting to catch on. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at April 26, 2014 12:26 PM (jucos) I very much want to see technology figuratively burn down the Marxist universities. Texas is working on a $10,000.00 degree program. This is exactly what needs to happen. We need to separate socialists from their money supplies.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 26, 2014 08:33 AM (bb5+k)

131 "Does this suggest that Barack and Michelle imported his Kenyan aunt to work illegally in the U.S. for them and then dumped her on the welfare system when she didn't work out? Did they pay her or was this one of those quasi-slave labor arrangements? How many laws were broken?"

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at April 26, 2014 08:35 AM (ZPrif)

132 "...however, this field is not the place for religion," wrote program director Adrienne Dougherty. "We have many patients who come to us for treatment from many different religions and some who believe in nothing. If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process." Um... whatever the position, whatever the applicant's problems, qualifications, or savvy, this program director seems to me unqualified, both in plain understanding and in human relations. To say the least.

Posted by: mindful webworker - it's [i]all[/i] religion! at April 26, 2014 08:35 AM (LM9t5)

133 Posted by: D-Lamp at April 26, 2014 12:33 PM (bb5+k) This a thousand times. There's no reason why a college degree needs to cost as much as a house.

Posted by: Cato at April 26, 2014 08:37 AM (J+mig)

134 I don't really want to click on a link which shows a teacher giving a student a lap dance, but I'll take your word that it was done. ;^) If you click on "The Other McCain" website and go back in the archives you find story after story of teachers behaving beyond badly-often from women teachers having affairs with their underage students. I think the incidents of sexual contact between teachers and students was much higher than that between priests and teens )and they're are both awful and sinful). It makes sense that it would. Kids spend more time in school than they do in church and there are more schools than parishes. However, the reasons the school incidences are underreported in because the media and the unions give cover to the teachers in ways that they did not to the priest sexual scandals.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 08:38 AM (XyM/Y)

135 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 12:38 PM (XyM/Y) Everything that the Left criticized the Catholic Church for doing, when it used to cover for its scumbags, they do for their own side's monsters. As usual, their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Posted by: Cato at April 26, 2014 08:40 AM (J+mig)

136 124 Posted by: Cato at April 26, 2014 12:37 PM (J+mig)

Uh white man speaks with forked tongue.

//Lez "Lieawatha" Warren

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 08:40 AM (TE35l)

137 Well the government can always rent out overpriced college facilities to peaceful Muslims who want to- --use U.S. training facilities to show what a peaceful religion Islam-just las the farmers in OR( ?)who rented out their farm so that Muslims could learn about American agriculture. (uhh huh)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 08:42 AM (XyM/Y)

138 I don't really want to click on a link which shows a teacher giving a student a lap dance, but I'll take your word that it was done.

It's just a news story. I didn't see any video (unless it was script-blocked). The worst part is she looks like a fitter Whoopi Goldberg.

Posted by: --- at April 26, 2014 08:44 AM (MMC8r)

139 129 Posted by: --- at April 26, 2014 12:44 PM (MMC8r)

Whoopi loves Oprah

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 08:45 AM (TE35l)

140 Even if she looked like Halle Berry it would still be wrong.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 08:46 AM (XyM/Y)

141 Jihadis in your neighborhood? http://tinyurl.com/mlvfyw8

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at April 26, 2014 08:47 AM (XyM/Y)

142 Parents and students are defending here

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 08:47 AM (zOTsN)

143 Her

Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 08:48 AM (zOTsN)

144 Posted by: Thunderb at April 26, 2014 12:47 PM (zOTsN) That seems even worse. The very least it could be (assuming it's true of course) is horrible unprofessionalism and a terrible lapse in judgement.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at April 26, 2014 08:50 AM (GDulk)

145 Rousseau never said anything worth quoting

so there's that...

Posted by: Milly ( Millicent ) Twattenburger, State Dept Spokesperson at April 26, 2014 08:51 AM (JyjXt)

146 136 Posted by: Milly ( Millicent ) Twattenburger, State Dept Spokesperson at April 26, 2014 12:51 PM (JyjXt)

//Rousseau

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 08:54 AM (TE35l)

147 "If you interview in the future, you may want to leave your thoughts and beliefs out of the interview process." What bullshit! Translated--When we ask you for your thoughts, please don't give us your actual thoughts, but rather tell us only what we want to hear. And people wonder why education is going down the tubes in this country...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at April 26, 2014 08:58 AM (Y5I9o)

148 I think the incidents of sexual contact between teachers and students was much higher than that between priests and teens )and they're are both awful and sinful). ************** You seem to be correct in that assessment, Fenelon. The bulk of priest abuse occurred in the 60s and 70s, and is almost nil now. That doesn't excuse what those men did, at all. It was and is horrible when a man of the cloth abuses his position to take advantage of people, especially children. Anyway, I've read that the current statistics are less than 1% credible accusations against priests and somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% credible accusations against teachers. If that is true it is frightening. And the media largely ignores it, because teachers are their modern "white martyrs." (Red martyrdom, for those who aren't aware, is death for your faith. White martyrdom is usually personal suffering or persecution for your faith, but not execution.)

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at April 26, 2014 09:01 AM (qFpRI)

149 Glad to see BCCC getting ready to take one in the nuts. Like Gingy, Mrs VIA attended there for a while. No need to go back.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice, "Diverse in appearance, solidarity in thought" at April 26, 2014 09:01 AM (X2NEw)

150 BCCC = CCBC

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice, at April 26, 2014 09:02 AM (X2NEw)

151 yesterdays fun with the militarized thug cops mtc: okay, its a 5.56 me: its actually a 7.62 mtc: no, look at the mag well, its a 5.56 me: no, look at the barrel, its says 7.62 mtc: yeah, you're right. you know, if you went to the gym you wouldn't need all these big ass guns mtc: see you next week joe me: you know it

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:03 AM (krmE0)

152 on the teachers banging students, why is it no hot teacher tried to bang me in high school? besides the fact that almost all my female teachers were nuns of course

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:06 AM (krmE0)

153 138 -

If it needs to be said up front, I am of the opinion what the program director said is despicable, and I would think possibly illegal.

However, the interview process may not be the place to express one's opinions and beliefs, especially if they interview in the manner designed to ensure the candidate can demonstrate core competencies, or whatever they call them.

For example, if you are applying to be a janitor, they ask to describe how to mop a floor. You tell them about the process, including pouring water and soap into the bucket, getting the mop wet, and running it back and forth across the floor.

If they have several tasks they need you to demonstrate you know how to do, they don't need to hear about how Allah is the one true God, or you consult the Buddha before you address the mop head.

Again though, that's for a job interview, I don't know how often they do that sort of thing for college programs.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 09:09 AM (BeSEI)

154 142 -

Hah! That's pretty funny.

My local community newspaper printed pics of the guys who won "Cop of the Year" in a couple area precincts. From the pictures, you would get the impression the criteria for the award is most donuts eaten, and absolutely has nothing whatsoever with running down and catching perps.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 26, 2014 09:14 AM (BeSEI)

155 144 For example, if you are applying to be a janitor, they ask to describe how to mop a floor so no interjections about the bears or cubbies while describing it? id rather go on welfare

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:14 AM (krmE0)

156 142 Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 01:03 PM (krmE0)

Well they understand one thing really well...

me Law you "civilian"

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 09:16 AM (TE35l)

157 145 true story at my last command I was the watch commander one night and over the radio I hear that my kids were chasing a female who got into a bar fight so I park my car by an alleyway entrance after a couple minutes there she goes then a couple of my guys a couple minutes same thing lasted for a while so I go down to fleet landing right before the last ferry shows up and there she if so I do the cuff and stuff ritual she asked me why I didn't chase her: Honey, i'm almost forty carrying a shit ton of gear, i'd just shoot you and save the heart attack for later she was a good kid, I felt bad for burning her for something stupid

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:20 AM (krmE0)

158 147 not really the guys who do firearms are old time sarges plus most cops here think our laws on guns are bullshit I do see the one all the time at the range and he says we do need better training laws on the books and I agree a lot of people here really aren't safe, ex: I get fanned every time on the pistol range

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:30 AM (krmE0)

159 149 Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 01:30 PM (krmE0)

You and I have the advantage of being known by LE as having been trained and "safe."

I've heard cops "amongst their own" express rather cavalier and IMHO misguided opinions about "badges" and "civilians".

They are civilians and frankly would do well to be reminded of it pretty forcefully by the legislatures.

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence@sven10077 at April 26, 2014 09:33 AM (TE35l)

160 on the popo though, and I think it was ndh who said it, yeah, i'm very biased on the favor of cops even though there is a big difference between the military ones and civilian one, I get it but for the most part, i'll always give the cops the benefit of the doubt its like being a vet, i'll always give a vet the benefit of the doubt over a non-vet, its the way it is, bonds get formed now giving a fellow cubs fan the benefit of the doubt? no cause we are all delusional

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:34 AM (krmE0)

161 150 They are civilians and frankly would do well to be reminded of it pretty forcefully by the legislatures this is true they hold incredible power and as such I've always felt that if they break the law they should get automatically pounded to the max its like a parent...set the example

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:36 AM (krmE0)

162 but it makes me laugh when I hear the "militarized" label yeah, their training is just like that and their weapons are just as good if not better than the army's but here's a scenario for you: say you and I rob a bank and run into a starbucks to hide it'll take a SWAT team to get us out I do have a lot of training and my new patrol rifle is a 7.62, my handguns are .45s unlike most of these tools who are shooting up kids I do know how to clear a jam and can do lightning fast mag changes that's why, the world has changed the popo don't have to play on a even playing field, its not a street fight

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 26, 2014 09:41 AM (krmE0)

163 Did any of the Horde watch Hawaii 50 last night? It's depiction of radical islam and the recruitment of domestic cute dumbasses was enough to give permanent butthurt to the CAIR fuckheads. MOAR pleeze.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 26, 2014 09:42 AM (jI/HE)

164 Burt is way wrong about community colleges. They save so much money, and the quality of instruction is often superior to the early years of 4-year colleges. The professors tend to be overqualified if anything, and have constant direct interaction with students. Instead of getting lost in an auditorium sized TA led class, class sizes of 15 5o 45 are common. Talent stands out and is rewarded at CC. Students are usually very career focused, striving to excel and get into a 4-year, or older and/or paying for their classes. The students are directed and motivated, and juggling real lives, not party lives, in their off hours.

It's a good value and I would recommend it to anyone.

Posted by: SarahW at April 26, 2014 10:00 AM (Lbv/k)

165 BurtTC @144: While I appreciate the scenario you put forth on a janitor interview, I am not sure that is applicable here. The question that seems to have gotten Jenkins (the applicant) into trouble was "What is the most important thing to you?" Jenkins responded with "My God." That appears to be the only time the subject of religious beliefs was brought up as Jenkins said he did not further elaborate on that answer nor did the interview panel ask for further explanation. (Which means the question was not analogous to a question on how to do something.) It should be noted that the interview followed a day of the faculty and panel "observing" Jenkins and his interaction with professors, other students, etc. That "observation" was part of the application process and on that, Jenkins maxed out the score. That means the panel did not notice any problems with the way Jenkins handled himself in the real world and could not find any fault in his mannerisms. It was only until the panel asked about a "motivation" that "God" became an issue. I know that there are some people concerned with the "education level" at CCBC and the program to which Jenkins was applying. First, the position of a "Radiation Therapist" is, according to CCBC is: "A Radiation Therapy utilizes radiation and radioactive isotopes in the treatment of disease, primarily cancer. A Radiation Therapist provides services for treatment of malignant and non-malignant disease. A Radiation Therapist is responsible for localizing the tumor, implementing the treatment plan, observing and evaluating clinical progress of the patient.Â” Secondly, the CCBC program is respected and competitive. It only accepts a whopping twelve (12) people per year into the program.

Posted by: gitarcarver at April 26, 2014 10:47 AM (dJeh4)

166

Why is criminal history relevant? Attaining a job? Why is that relevant? Student aid? Grants? What does a COMMUNITY COLLEGE receive as benefit for a result? It's a fuckin community college you guys!

Tired of attempting conclusions on 20% info of a random story. He should've just gone to an Ivy League duma, he's a shoo-in.

Posted by: jk76 at April 26, 2014 12:06 PM (VKkox)

167 jk76 / 157, The criminal history as it relates to convictions is relevant as the community college has to report job placement ratings. If the student cannot find a job because of the criminal history of an applicant, it affects the school's job placement rating. As to your comment of "It's a fuckin community college you guys! " please tell me when discrimination in education matters? Does it only matter in four year colleges? Does it matter in high schools or charter elementary schools? Does it only matter when an applicant is applying for a master's program or doctoral thesis? Should we dismiss discrimination which is against the law at the federal level and in every state in the union simply because it took place at a community college? Do students at those colleges automatically give up their rights when they choose to go to a community college? Do the administrators get a pass on discrimination because it is a "community college?"

Posted by: gitarcarver at April 26, 2014 02:25 PM (dJeh4)

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