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March 28, 2014

Raising the Dead: Pittsburgh Hospital To Begin Gunshot and Stabbing Victims Into Suspended Animation, to Buy Time to Operate on Them
— Ace

One of the most ridiculous parts of The Princess Bride was, to me, Miracle Max's claim that there was a distinction between "All dead" and "Mostly dead."

That actually bothered me more than any of the other fantasy elements. Because it felt like cheating. Either Westley was dead or he was not dead.

There was no in-between category for a writer to exploit for cheap emotional manipulation.

Except there is.

I have previously linked this 2013 Spiegel article on a doctor who specializes in what he calls "Resuscitation Medicine." It's worth reading in full if you haven't read it yet.

It's mind-bendy the way he keeps talking about death as this... vague category, this spectrum-type thing, where you are 60% dead but 40% alive.

Because a patient, if properly treated -- if his body temperature is artificially lowered way down -- can persist in a twilight state of near-death for a couple of hours.

And in those two hours, doctors can repair the physical trauma that caused the death in the first place.

Death, Doctor Parnia asserts, is a "fully reversible" condition -- if the proper protocols are followed.

Parnia discusses, mainly, cooling the brain of patients who have died (or: "died") due to cardiac arrest, in order to buy time to get their hearts beating again.

Parnia: In the past decade we have seen tremendous progress. With today's medicine, we can bring people back to life up to one, maybe two hours, sometimes even longer, after their heart stopped beating and they have thus died by circulatory failure. In the future, we will likely get better at reversing death. We may have injectable drugs that slow the process of cell death in the brain and other organs. It is possible that in 20 years, we may be able to restore people to life 12 hours or maybe even 24 hours after they have died. You could call that resurrection, if you will. But I still call it resuscitation science.

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SPIEGEL: Basic first aid teaches us that the brain is very fragile. Three to five minutes after the heart stops, the brain incurs permanent damage due to lack of oxygen.
Parnia: This is a widely-held misconception, even among doctors. It's mostly based on research done in the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s. In those days, doctors concluded that brain cell death was inevitable in such a short time. Now we know that if treatment is correct, it really can take hours for brain cells to die. And only if all the treatments that we know today are not implemented, the damage can become apparent after as little as five minutes without blood flow. Part of the problem is that we all live in the past -- patients, doctors, nurses and legislatures. We have preconceived ideas about death. For thousands of years, death was a clear, precise moment: The heart stopped beating, and that was it. Nothing could be done from then on. You either were alive or not. But since the arrival of CPR (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) more than 50 years ago, we know that this view is no longer correct. Death is not a fixed moment anymore. From a cellular perspective, it is a process that proceeds at various speeds in the different tissues of the body after the heart stops.
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SPIEGEL: What are some of the newer interventions that you'd recommend?
Parnia: We cool the body down, from 37 degrees to somewhere between 32 and 34 degrees. I usually go to 32 degrees. Patients stay at this temperature for 24 hours or so. Cooling has a lot of positive effects...
SPIEGEL: Doesn't the idea of "bringing people back" imply that they weren't really dead in the first place?
Parnia: I think the state they are in corresponds to the cultural concept we all have of death. We encounter it in movies and books all the time. That is my basic message: The death we commonly perceive today in 2013 is a death that can be reversed.
SPIEGEL: But not real brain death.
Parnia: No. When brain cells have decayed after a number of hours, no intervention, neither now nor in a 1000 years, will bring them back. That death is final. But up to that point, there is a gray zone. Today, we simply do not know when someone transitions from potentially reversible to irreversible. Tests used today to diagnose brain death are tests of brain stem function -- not of actual cell death.

An interesting point that he made -- or that I saw some other researcher making -- is that it's easier to operate, surgically, on the dead anyway.

Which is kind of a mindblowing thought: That your doctor, in some ways, would rather that you were dead for the operation he's performing on you, because it will make it easier for him to perform it, before attempting to revive you.

And now at the UPMC Presbyterian Hospital in Pittsburgh, doctors are attempting resuscitation medicine on gunshot and stabbing victims -- putting the those about to die into suspended animation (though they don't like that sci-fi sounding term) to buy time while they repair their wounds.

This isn't exactly what Parnia was talking about -- Parnia was talking about cooling down people already "dead," then operating on them, then reviving them.

The Pittsburgh plan is very similar, but not quite that. They're going to try suspended-animation techniques on people who are alive, but will be dead in very short period of time -- far too short a period of time to repair the lethal wounds they've suffered.

By putting people expected to bleed out and die within minutes into suspended animation (or, as they prefer to call it, "Emergency Preservation and Resuscitation") in a vague state in between life and death, they hope that they'll have a couple of hours, rather than a handful of minutes, to operate on the patient.

NEITHER dead or alive, knife-wound or gunshot victims will be cooled down and placed in suspended animation later this month, as a groundbreaking emergency technique is tested out for the first time.
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The technique involves replacing all of a patient's blood with a cold saline solution, which rapidly cools the body and stops almost all cellular activity. "If a patient comes to us two hours after dying you can't bring them back to life. But if they're dying and you suspend them, you have a chance to bring them back after their structural problems have been fixed," says surgeon Peter Rhee at the University of Arizona in Tucson, who helped develop the technique.

Doctors already cool down the blood, slowly, for heart and brain operations on living patients. But they have time to cool the blood slowly in those situations, as the surgeries are scheduled, and preparations have been made in advance.

With victims of sudden trauma, they don't have that benefit of advanced planning. So they're going to try a quick-cooling techniques on trauma victims.

The article discusses experiments done since 2002, involving cooling pigs down to the point where they appeared medically dead, but then reviving them. Actually, the pigs often just revived on their own.

Doctors have long known this trick, as many people who "die" by falling into frigid ice wind up being revived later, almost always with psychic powers of some sort, or having "Brought something back... something bad." (If I may rely upon Stephen King for my medical analysis.)

"After we did those experiments, the definition of 'dead' changed," says Rhee. "Every day at work I declare people dead. They have no signs of life, no heartbeat, no brain activity. I sign a piece of paper knowing in my heart that they are not actually dead. I could, right then and there, suspend them. But I have to put them in a body bag. It's frustrating to know there's a solution."
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"We've always assumed that you can't bring back the dead. But it's a matter of when you pickle the cells," says Rhee.

The test calls for ten patients who fit the protocol (violent trauma wound which will lead to death in minutes) being subjected to this procedure.

Ten patients who fit the protocol will not have this procedure done on them -- they'll just receive regular ol' medical help, and will probably just die -- as a control group.

It's freaky, I think.

Posted by: Ace at 10:50 AM | Comments (424)
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1 Ice to see youl

Posted by: Pittsburgh Hospital at March 28, 2014 10:53 AM (4CVLy)

2 Read about this methodology some months ago. *THIS* is an advancement in medicine.

Posted by: D-Lamp at March 28, 2014 10:53 AM (bb5+k)

Suspended Animation, Cold Sleep.

Maybe travel to another star will not be Science Fiction?

Posted by: rd at March 28, 2014 10:54 AM (D+lxs)

4 Yep. Interesting stuff. It makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 28, 2014 10:54 AM (IXrOn)

5 And if it goes wrong, new Steelers linemen.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 10:55 AM (DL2i+)

6 My Plan! My Beautiful Plan!! It is Working! All I need now is a human body and my dream will be complete!

Posted by: Walt Disney's Head at March 28, 2014 10:55 AM (4CVLy)

7 The test calls for ten patients who fit the protocol (violent trauma wound which will lead to death in minutes) being subjected to this procedure. chicagoland has a hefty sampling

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 28, 2014 10:56 AM (IXrOn)

8 No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to cool down.

Posted by: Gayfinger at March 28, 2014 10:56 AM (AA6QE)

9 One interesting thing is how much more innovation there often is in surgical techniques than drugs. I could be wrong, but I think this is because there is no FDA of surgical procedures. So a surgeon can invent a new technique and .... just start doing it. He doesn't have to spend $1B on clinical trials to prove that his new technique is safe and shows improvement results compared to existing techniques.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 10:56 AM (ZPrif)

10 Pittsburgh Hospital has a sense of humor about this, too. They put out an unofficial memo reminding EMTs and trauma staff to NOT tell the patients to "Skate Towards The Light."

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 28, 2014 10:57 AM (4CVLy)

11 The new advice for what to do if you get shot: Chill

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 10:57 AM (0AKks)

12 The test calls for ten patients who fit the protocol (violent trauma wound which will lead to death in minutes) being subjected to this procedure. Ten patients who fit the protocol will not have this procedure done on them -- they'll just receive regular ol' medical help, and will probably just die -- as a control group. It's freaky, I think.-Ace There are several people I can think of that should be part of the study. (Violent trauma that is) Seriously.....Modern medicine is to be marveled.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 28, 2014 10:58 AM (HVff2)

13 Deep space exploration, bitchez. Keeping a crew of humans alive over months in a metal box is a huge problem in theories how to get from Earth to, well, anywhere.

Posted by: boulder hobo at March 28, 2014 10:58 AM (f5VT3)

14 So, "The Walking Dead" is a documentary after all.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (gOoFi)

15 The test calls for ten patients who fit the protocol (violent trauma wound which will lead to death in minutes) being subjected to this procedure.

How do you get informed consent for this? I imagine the thug's next-of-kin getting big cartoon dollar-sign eyes and calling every shyster who advertises on basic cable if this procedure doesn't work.

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (ZKzrr)

16 Dr. Frankenstein, your lab is on the phone.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Despair, Doom, Gloom and More at the Outrage Outlet! at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (hLRSq)

17 Maybe I'm wrong. But it seems like a surgeon who specializes in, say, hip replacements can just decide, all on his own, that he has this awesome new idea for an improved surgical method. And he can just ... start doing it. He has to tell his patients, of course. And they have to agree to it. But he doesn't have to get FDA approval. I think. Am I wrong about this?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (ZPrif)

18 I've been following this for some time. Some researchers think these numbers can be extended to 24 hours or more, though with more aggressive intervention. Some sci-fi writers have got close to this before, because of the "falls in an ice-covered river" phenomenon. The idea of dumping a "dead" person in freezing water to make it easier to revive them hours later (or reviving people frozen in space, with varying degrees of trauma). We have a lot to learn.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (qyfb5)

19 "Death-like suspended animation" Sounds like most of Congress, both sides of the aisle. McCain. Boxer. Reid. Pelosi...need I continue?

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (jHf6U)

20 Before 9/11, I knew an Army doctor who was being sent to work/study in a Pittsburgh hospital so he could be guaranteed to get actual hands-on training working on gunshot wounds. I thought that said a lot about the city.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at March 28, 2014 10:59 AM (JyNPg)

21 "Deep space exploration, bitchez..." And from what of my movie history, there's a 75% chance of survival.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:00 AM (gOoFi)

22 And I'll run some experiments on pickling brain cells tonight.

Posted by: boulder hobo at March 28, 2014 11:00 AM (f5VT3)

23 Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 02:59 PM (ZKzrr) Oh great if there isn't enough Sokolove and Goldwater commercials on late night tv.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 28, 2014 11:00 AM (HVff2)

24 They have been doing this for a while. Especially in brain cases. Al Gore is still frozen, they are afraid to bring him back.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 28, 2014 11:00 AM (0FSuD)

Yeah, great, like Obamacare is going to pay for any of this shit if it works.

Well, except for the Liberal Elite that is. They get what they want because Important.

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 28, 2014 11:00 AM (eytER)

26 Holy crap. You mean "Genesis II" was not just a movie?

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2014 11:01 AM (GGCsk)

27 On the ONT recently, I said that I had this in my advance medical directive:

"When all hope appears lost, send for the creepy, socially awkward doctor who works out of the dimly lit, shabby basement lab, and whose methods are 'unsound'."

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 11:01 AM (noWW6)

28 My question is, how are the ten victims who fit the profile -- severe trauma patients who are within minutes of death -- going to give their consent to have this done to them? Will there have to be a next of kin on hand to give their consent? How often does THAT happen for gunshot or stabbing victims?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:01 AM (4df7R)

29 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 02:56 PM (ZPrif)

The FDA is pushing for blind studies of implants and other devices.

Dumb fucking idea.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2014 11:01 AM (QFxY5)

30 Map-wise they're a few blocks from many fine establishments where Pitt students go to get mostly dead. Go 6 blocks up the hill and you could get shot and stabbed back in the day.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (DL2i+)

31 Yeah, HR, liability will be a problem here, and will cost lives as well because of things people won't do for fear of it. But at least we have the left to keep that nasty tort reform away (and no small portion of the right, sadly).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (qyfb5)

32 "Dr. Frankenstein" That's "Fronk-n-steen!"

Posted by: Frederick Frankenstein at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (gOoFi)

33 "All dead" and "Mostly dead" are D&D concepts... very important ones.

You can have a dead character who can be revived when they are "Mostly dead" (zero hit points). When they are all the way gone.. they're gone!

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (Z7PrM)

Do you realize how expensive this is going to be if it becomes widespread? At a minimum Chicago will need to redesign its voter registration forms.

Posted by: Joe at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (QFnhZ)

35 >>That actually bothered me more than any of the other fantasy elements. As opposed to the torture machine that could suck years off life away through suction cups?

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (g1DWB)

36 When are they thawing out Biden to see if this procedure affects cognitive abilities?

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at March 28, 2014 11:02 AM (Mj+L4)

37 He has to tell his patients, of course. And they have to agree to it. But he doesn't have to get FDA approval. I think. Am I wrong about this? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 02:59 PM (ZPrif I think that is what happened to my knee replacement. Fucker did whatever he wanted to.

Posted by: Misanthopic Humanitarian at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (HVff2)

38 Soon.

Posted by: Patient Zero at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (wu/TK)

39 I've seen Flatliners. Nooo way, dude!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (DmNpO)

40 Like when surgeons have done crazy stuff like hand transplants -- where they take the hand of dead guy and sew it on a patient missing a hand. And they attach all the nerves and everything. It's crazy. But they don't need FDA approval, right? A hand surgeon can just study all the nerves and blood vessels and decide, fuck it, I can do this! And then he just needs a patient who wants a hand to give the OK. Is there some govt body that has to approve new surgical procedures? Whatever it is the approval time isn't the 10 years and $1B it takes a new drug from Pfizer to make it's way through the FDA.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (ZPrif)

Finally

That whole "You killed Kenny! You bastards!" then shows up next episode makes sense now

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (3ZtZW)

42 We've used quick-freezing to help in spinal injuries as well.

Adam Taliaferro had his neck broken during a Penn State football game (C-5). On the field, he was completely paralyzed. He was packed in ice (and other cooling techniques) to minimize swelling, and less than a year later, jogged onto the field at the PSU home opener.

It was called a miracle. It looks like it was just the cutting edge.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (fwARV)

43 Those brain cells of mine from the 70's? Not "partly dead", or "mostly dead", but "dead, gone to hell and never coming back".

Posted by: West at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (1Rgee)

44 So, what they proposing in re-animating a bunch of gangbangers that were shot in drivebys? Wonderful....

Posted by: Pug-De-Da! at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (vFh9Q)

45 Gene Rodenberry was way ahead of his time apparently.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (GGCsk)

46 17 Maybe I'm wrong. But it seems like a surgeon who specializes in, say, hip replacements can just decide, all on his own, that he has this awesome new idea for an improved surgical method. And he can just ... start doing it.

He has to tell his patients, of course. And they have to agree to it. But he doesn't have to get FDA approval.

I think. Am I wrong about this?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 02:59 PM (ZPrif)

Experimental procedures must typically be reviewed and approved by an Institutional Review Board.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 28, 2014 11:03 AM (DrWcr)

47 How do you get informed consent for this?

Declare em dead before you start of course.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (DL2i+)

48 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:01 PM (4df7R) Nope, they'll just have the patient sign a "do whatever you think may work OR is common practice." Since the test is the former and the control is the latter, it all works out. If unresponsive, well, you act in a "reasonable" way, which may be either.

Posted by: AMDG at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (eFytx)

49 Friends with the President there so if I stop hearing from him I'll give fair warning to stock up (even more so) on ammo.

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (fWAjv)

50 Are there a lot of shootings and stabbings in Pittsburgh, the Steelers aren't that bad.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (WdbF7)

51 Doktor von Frankenstein pounds his hand on the table while exclaiming, "See I told you!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (IHAZk)

Declare em dead before you start of course.

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Isn't that the plot of Robocop.....?

Posted by: @JohnTant at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (eytER)

53 Didn't like Princess Bride? HERETIC! BURN HIM!

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (zfY+H)

54 "So a surgeon can invent a new technique and .... just start doing it. " Absolutely true. My son had a birth defect that was really severe. He had two failed surgeries to correct it. Finally, a different surgeon created a technique to fix his problem. It worked. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (hFL/3)

55 I am both skeptical and optimistic about this....

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (DErq5)

56 Just hang on to me Rose. I'll be fine.

Posted by: Jack Dawson at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (TfdkD)

57 "re-animating a bunch of gangbangers that were shot in drivebys" Wouldn't want to be racist, would we?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:04 AM (gOoFi)

58 "Yeah, great, like Obamacare is going to pay for any of this shit if it works."

Well it does give these violent felons time to enroll, maybe that's the reason. Why would the Hospital want to eat the cost of these trauma patients when the insurance companies and feds can?

Posted by: lowandslow at March 28, 2014 11:05 AM (IV4od)

59 Death, Doctor Parnia asserts, is a "fully reversible" condition -- if the proper protocols are followed.

But all deaths are not alike. An elderly gentleman who passes away at the ripe old age of 101, for example. Unless a method has been created to rejuvenate aged cells, there's no point in bringing back that individual, as his body has had its run and will just pass on again, causing renewed heartache for friends and loved ones.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:06 AM (4df7R)

60 Next from Hollywood Bride of the Re-Animator.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:06 AM (IHAZk)

61 Jeez, you act like this has never been done before

Posted by: Captain America at March 28, 2014 11:06 AM (TfdkD)

62 So who is the "Institutional Review Board"? Is that a govt body? A hospital body? It's not federal. Is it state? County? Hospital based?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:06 AM (ZPrif)

63 This has serious horror movie potential.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 28, 2014 11:07 AM (DrWcr)

64 "Doktor von Frankenstein pounds his hand on the table while exclaiming, "See I told you!" No, no, no. He was a kook. A madman.

Posted by: Frederick Frankenstein at March 28, 2014 11:07 AM (gOoFi)

65 Hmmm.. just had a thought...

Zombie Kate Upton.

D'ya hit it?

I would.

Posted by: dananjcon at March 28, 2014 11:07 AM (NpXoL)

66 "We've always assumed that you can't bring back the dead. But it's a matter of when you pickle the cells," says Rhee. I started the pickling process over 30 years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 11:07 AM (ndIek)

67 And its not really new new if you know what I mean. Doctors have been using the whole chill the body thing for decades before doing nasty icky dangerous things like heart surgery.

This guy has just branched out to the Lower East Side.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:07 AM (IHAZk)

68 We're not dead yet!

Posted by: The Sixty Percemters at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (ZshNr)

69 D'ya hit it?
I would.
........
Any day! And twice on Sunday!

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (Z7PrM)

70 My Grandfather's work was DOODOO....!!!

Posted by: Frederick Frankenstein at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (gOoFi)

71 In children, who nearly drown in cold water, hypothermia was found to protect the brain, heart and major organs from damage (These kids were without oxygen for much more than the normal 4 minutes or so until brain damage is expected, in full cardiac arrest, sometimes for a very prolonged period, and resuscitated but kept hypothermic to reduce brain damage). Therapeutic hypothermia for neuroprotection in brain injury has been used since the 50's in some cases of drowning.

http://tinyurl.com/ly77avf

Hypothermia has been done in open heart surgeries for a very long time, so not a new theory in some areas. I have read that docs are now using hypothermia for strokes as well as other brain injuries.

I have not seen it done in trauma, however, so very interesting, Ace. It makes sense and I am very glad, but hope I never use it!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Bossy Redneck Queen at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (baL2B)

72 We have amazing medical technology and no where but up to improve and amazeÂ…would be shame if someone came along and screwed up the world's best medical system.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (A98Xu)

73 Ten patients who fit the protocol will not have this procedure done on them -- they'll just receive regular ol' medical help, and will probably just die -- as a control group. --- Dig through their pockets for spare change once they're completely dead.

Posted by: Miracle Max at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (APuJ7)

74 The Shining Part II: The Defrosting

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (AA6QE)

75 Hup Hup Hup Hup I don't know but I've been told I don't know but I've been told If an Eskimo woman gets shot then taken to the emergency room and they remove her blood and replace it with near freezing saline solution so that the doctors can operate on her in a near death condition in order to heal her, that her pussy is mighty cold. If an Eskimo woman gets shot then taken to....

Posted by: Sgt naturalfake at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (0cMkb)

76 I've heard a little about this. what's really exciting is that if it works, give it enough time and development, and you can deploy it in the field with the EMTs. which would be pretty exciting to do as a EMT volunteer.

Posted by: DCPensFan at March 28, 2014 11:08 AM (ma/2m)

77 So if after they're on ice, I should happen to (cough) accidentally have sex with them, it wouldn't be either rape or necrophilia? cool....

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 28, 2014 11:09 AM (TfdkD)

78 They do this for heart surgery all the time, don't they?

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 11:09 AM (3j/+H)

79 There have been many cases where children have fallen through the ice and it has taken up to an hour to retrieve them.

The cold water preserved brain function and many have come back to life 100%.

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 11:09 AM (Z7PrM)

80 When they invent a time machine which allows us to go back and make certain some people are never born- let me know.

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2014 11:09 AM (tZb3y)

81 Zombie Kate Upton. D'ya hit it? Yes. But, gently.

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 11:09 AM (3j/+H)

82 I started the pickling process over 30 years ago. Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 03:07 PM (ndIek) HA! Me too. Wait, am I improving my chances or not?

Posted by: Seems legit at March 28, 2014 11:09 AM (A98Xu)

83 "I could be wrong, but I think this is because there is no FDA of surgical procedures. So a surgeon can invent a new technique and .... just start doing it. He doesn't have to spend $1B on clinical trials to prove that his new technique is safe and shows improvement results compared to existing techniques."

Except if there's a new device involved in that procedure.

Then the endless grueling gauntlet of FDA bullshit cranks up. Enormously costly and incredibly slow, and with the inherent irreducible risk that some panel of bureaucrats may decide to shitcan the application for reasons that are barely even reasons at all. Plus a decade or more of delay.

If we had any actual conservatives in the Republican Party during the recent spell when the GOP had control of the House, the Senate and the White House, they might have taken the time to enact "opt-out" provisions for FDA-overseen drugs and devices.

Your doctor propose you take a particular new med for your cancer. All existing drug therapies and surgeries have failed to date. You're very likely to die unless something does work. The new drug might. But FDA won't let you have it, because it might kill you.

Simple enough. Check the box. "I understand that this medication has not yet been officially approved by FDA for safety and efficacy. I understand that it may not work. I understand that it might have dangerous, crippling or lethal side effects. Informed of those risks, I am opting out and waiving FDA protections, and authorizing my physician to administer the medication.."

Followed by, _sotto voce_, "Now give me the goddam drug already."

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 11:10 AM (noWW6)

84 DO NOT get the one marked "Abnormal."

Posted by: Frederick Frankenstein at March 28, 2014 11:10 AM (gOoFi)

85 D'ya hit it?
I would.
........
Any day! And twice on Sunday!

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 03:08 PM (Z7PrM)

Indeed. Oozing, pustulous elbows and all.

Posted by: dananjcon at March 28, 2014 11:10 AM (NpXoL)

86 I guess that means, if you shoot a goblin in Pittsburgh, just to watch him die, you had better watch him die. No more half-measures.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2014 11:11 AM (xBL8h)

>>>Do you realize how expensive this is going to be if it becomes widespread?

I dunno. I kinda imagine that inner city hospitals will begin to look like Dante's 9th Circle, with a pool of liquid nitrogen in the basement where screaming, bleeding people are dipped...

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:11 AM (3ZtZW)

88 of course you would still have to pay estate taxes. We will have our pound of cold flesh.

Posted by: IRS at March 28, 2014 11:11 AM (TfdkD)

89 " Oozing, pustulous elbows and all...." That's so hot.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:11 AM (gOoFi)

90 The Shining II: The Defrosting. Yeah, I laughed. *wipes off iPad* thanks.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 28, 2014 11:12 AM (OsWis)

91 Medical science, making live organ donation seem so yesterday...

By Science! What will they think of next?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:12 AM (IHAZk)

So, what they proposing in re-animating a bunch of gangbangers that were shot in drivebys? Wonderful....

Posted by: Pug-De-Da! at March 28, 2014 03:03 PM (vFh9Q)

Animal Trial Phase?

Posted by: coldly calculating at March 28, 2014 11:12 AM (D+lxs)

93 a million years ago there was a kid who fell in the Red River in January and drown. They could not revive him but took him to the hosp anyway. He was without a pulse for 20 minutes. He lived. No brain damage. Cause he was too fookin cold

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:12 AM (zOTsN)

94 Zombie Kate Upton. D'ya hit it? --- I hear she bites...so heck yeah

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 28, 2014 11:12 AM (TfdkD)

95 And when they do the test on those 10 revivees, they also need follow checks for being maniac murderers. Dean Koontz, "Hideaway". http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ CameBackWrong

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 28, 2014 11:12 AM (h53OH)

96 But if you revive the dead, how are they supposed to reliably vote Democrat over and over?

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at March 28, 2014 11:13 AM (AC0lD)

97 HA! Me too. Wait, am I improving my chances or not? No idea. But it's been a hell of a ride!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 11:13 AM (ndIek)

98 I like turtles!

Posted by: Zombie Kid at March 28, 2014 11:13 AM (Kkt/i)

99 62 So who is the "Institutional Review Board"?
Is that a govt body? A hospital body?
It's not federal. Is it state? County? Hospital based?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 03:06 PM (ZPrif)

There are many IRBs. IRBs are federally regulated. They're often part of institutions like hospitals, but they exist independently as well.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 28, 2014 11:13 AM (DrWcr)

100 Mengele didn't really die in that swimming pool- did he....

Posted by: Marcus T at March 28, 2014 11:13 AM (tZb3y)

101 Animal Trial Phase? Hah.....it's funny cause it's true.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 11:13 AM (GXZgZ)

102 Zombie Gwen Paltrow. Nobody would notice any difference.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:14 AM (igKtt)

103 So would this be the theme song for this thread?

http://youtu.be/lHvF_ANqAic

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:14 AM (IHAZk)

104 I'm pretty sure John Kerry has been in suspended animation for some time now.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 28, 2014 11:14 AM (oDCMR)

105 I dunno. I kinda imagine that inner city hospitals will begin to look like Dante's 9th Circle, with a pool of liquid nitrogen in the basement where screaming, bleeding people are dipped...

You paint a vivid picture.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:14 AM (WhJf8)

106 Cool. More phresh hot chicks up in here. They was gettin' kinda ripe! You feel me?

Posted by: Zombie Zombie at March 28, 2014 11:14 AM (Kkt/i)

107 Does this process involve big lightning rods?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 28, 2014 11:14 AM (aDwsi)

108 My face has been mostly dead all day.

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (l3vZN)

109

Uh...

hey. Curious on a pot-stirrer kind of level, but couold the same tech - theoretically - be used to 'freeze' fetuses for implant to another womb at a later date?

Becoz if this works, then 'allowing' someone to die from a knife wound becomes 'voluntary', doesn't it? By the same token...

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (3ZtZW)

110 would you bastards just stop cutting into me and thaw me out?

Posted by: The Iceman at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (TfdkD)

111 Moorhead, ND (WDAY TV) - Tonight, on our Special 60 on 6, the story of an 11-year old Moorhead boy who fell through the ice and survived. Despite being under the ice for 45 minutes. It was a story that captivated our region for days and weeks, back in 1987. It would be an early December afternoon, that a mother stood on the banks of the Red River in Moorhead, and screamed for her son, praying. On the river, Fargo and Moorhead Fire, along with Paramedics, used tools to break the ice, frantically searching for any sign of Alvaro Garza who had crossed the river, and fallen through thin ice. But as minutes ticked by, hope dimmed. No one could possibly survive this long underwater, under the ice. Then, after 45-minutes, this. The limp body of Alvaro was pulled from the river, paramedics rushed him directly to the hospital. Even then, there was little to no chance he would survive. At the time, clinically dead. No pulse No heartbeat or respirations. His body temperature dropped to 77. Trauma surgeons at what is now Sanford, used an experimental procedure to save his life. Alvaro was revived by putting him on a heart lung bypass machine. Warming his body. Forcing out water and pumping in air. What saved Alvaro, his body cooled down so much underwater that all systems shut down. Garza Sr: Â“Friday December 4th, he was dead, now the 9th he is alive, and he was talking to me and everythingÂ” A year later, we caught up with him. Believe it or not, no complications, 45-minutes without oxygen, under water, and the Christmas Miracle boy was able to function like a normal 12 year old. Garza: Â“I am feeling great. I am normal. I can do anything.Â”

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (zOTsN)

112

Cool piece. Very interesting stuff.

I was going to read it all but I vomited a little when I saw that dumb ass Peter Wehner's name in the sidebar.

Commentary is an all played out POS rag. Commentary represents the front lines of the circular firing squad that the GOP is fond of.

Fucking idiots, especially Wehner.

Posted by: prescient11 at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (tVTLU)

113 How do you get informed consent for this? I imagine the thug's next-of-kin getting big cartoon dollar-sign eyes and calling every shyster who advertises on basic cable if this procedure doesn't work. Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 02:59 PM (ZKzrr) Or the families of the control group. They're going to have a legitimate gripe that not everything was done for *their* loved ones.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (GDulk)

114
One of the most ridiculous parts of The Princess Bride was, to me, Miracle Max's claim that there was a distinction between "All dead" and "Mostly dead."

Any reference to The Princess Bride being anything less than a perfect film shall be punished by naked defenestration into a cactus garden followed by dousing in lemon juice, all while reciting the words to "The Hokey-Pokey" in Shakespearean-style iambic pentameter.

The one exception to this rule is to note that just a few years later, Robin Wright started having sex with Sean Penn. Ewwww.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 28, 2014 11:15 AM (TIIx5)

115 Bring Out Your Dead!!!!!!!!!!!! E's Not dead Et! Oh give em a minute E'll be stone cold dead.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (igKtt)

116 8 No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to cool down.

Posted by: Gayfinger at March 28, 2014 02:56 PM (AA6QE)

Nice interthread connection.

Posted by: Zombie Zombie at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (Kkt/i)

117 Lest we forget

http://tinyurl.com/ks6b26j

nsfw

Posted by: dananjcon at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (NpXoL)

118 Flash forward 250 years: John McCain plunging out of a icy container, gasping for breath.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (oFCZn)

119 Nope, they'll just have the patient sign a "do whatever you think may work OR is common practice." Since the test is the former and the control is the latter, it all works out. If unresponsive, well, you act in a "reasonable" way, which may be either.

Posted by: AMDG at March 28, 2014 03:04 PM (eFytx)

Except that I don't think the victims in these instances are in any position to sign anything, what with being minutes from death and bleeding out on the table. It just feels like you're getting into iffy territory in terms of using people as guinea pigs. Yes it may be a matter of certain death vs. less certain death, in which case why not? but you've also got to think about the spiritual and emotional implications this could have for people. I realize that's not the medical profession's interest here, their interest being ways to prolong life, but it's a consideration that needs to be taken into account should this become widespread practice.

After all, there's a difference between a person who dies on the table but who might, through standard resuscitation, be revived and saved through traditional surgery; and a person who is placed into a medically-induced state of "death" and revived from that. That first scenario is the one we're all familiar with from pop culture and personal experience; it's something we're comfortable with, for a given amount of comfort. But in that second scenario the chances of resuscitating the person had s/he died of their wounds was essentially zero, which is why they were put in "suspended animation" in the first place; they were SUPPOSED to die, but they didn't because the doctors killed them and then brought them back.

Not to go all "Final Destination" or anything, but that kind of thing could have some profound psychological, emotional and spiritual impacts on a person.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (4df7R)

120 I remember they did this Very Special episode of M*A*S*H where they had a kid come in horribly injured and they iced his body down so they would have longer to be able to treat him - but the longer was only 20 minutes, and they had the clock running on the screen throughout the episode.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (4+AaH)

121

My face has been mostly dead all day.

Posted by: John F'n Kerry at March 28, 2014 03:15 PM (l3vZN)

And my Brain has been dead for years

Posted by: Seared, seared into at March 28, 2014 11:16 AM (D+lxs)

122 Sooooo believable. I am a staunch Republican, a self-proclaimed Fox News addict, and I didn't vote for the President. And I'm here to tell you that Obamacare works. I'm living proof. I'm a chemotherapy patient, and was previously paying $428 a month for my health coverage. I was not thrilled when it was cancelled. Then I submitted an application at HealthCare.gov. I looked at my options. And I signed up for a plan for $62 a month. It's the best health care I have ever had. So right now, here's what I want to tell anyone who still needs health insurance, or knows someone who does: Sign up. Follow the instructions on the website. Apply, and look at your options. You still have time, and take it from me: This is something you want to do. I wrote a letter to President Obama this past February to tell him about my experience with the Health Insurance Marketplace. I hoped he'd read it, and he did. I may not be a supporter of the President. But now, I get mad when I see Obamacare dragged through the mud on television. And even though I regularly tune in to conservative pundits, I'd like to tell them they're getting it wrong. Obamacare works. So one more time: If you still need health insurance, you have just three days to get it. Do what I did. Go to HealthCare.gov, submit an application, and pick a plan that works for you. It just might change your life. Mark D. Bearden, Ph.D. Monroe, North Carolina

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:17 AM (fWAjv)

123 Peter Wehner

Pronounced wee-nuhr. And his middle name is Dong.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:17 AM (WhJf8)

124 I'll be pickling myself in martinis tonight.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 28, 2014 11:17 AM (euACX)

125 Also, this hospital is going to do the suspended animation thing on ten patients, and NOT do it on ten patients, and then compare.

Posted by: blaster at March 28, 2014 11:17 AM (4+AaH)

126 so the plot of 'The Thing' is now more plausible...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 28, 2014 11:17 AM (TfdkD)

127 Ah. Past 100. In reference to the Obamacare thread, North Carolina just released some Obamacare numbers. 91% of those who have signed up are eligible for subsidies. It's pretty easy to do the math, 9% will not only being for themselves, but also the other 91%, because fair.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 28, 2014 11:17 AM (aDwsi)

128 Flash forward 250 years:

John McCain plunging out of a icy container, gasping for breath.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 03:16 PM (oFCZn)

I do not want John McCain re-enacting "Demolition Man," tahnk you very much.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (4df7R)

129 Oliver Sansweet's Lawyer: Mr. Sansweet didn't asked to be saved. Mr. Sansweet didn't want to be saved. And the injuries received from Mr.Incredible's "actions," so-called, causes him daily pain.

Bob: [lunging towards Sansweet] Hey, I saved your life!

Oliver Sansweet: You didn't save my life, you ruined my death, that's what you did!

Posted by: Zombie Zombie at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (Kkt/i)

130 This is all well and good, as long as when they're finally dead-dead we can burn them for fuel to heat the hospital.

Posted by: jwest at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (u2a4R)

131 Rather horrifying to think that at death, while our bodies have stopped functioning, our brains -- and consciousness -- are slowly dying for hours or perhaps even days afterwards.

Posted by: Lickmuffin at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (oMNfV)

132 Mmm....Pickletinis...mmm...

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (ZshNr)

133 Dack, That's ok. Sleep is overrated anyways... Some things should never be uttered, lest they come true...

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (OsWis)

134 John McCain plunging out of a icy container, gasping for breath. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 03:16 PM (oFCZn) Shred all documents, stop research now, none of it is worth it.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (A98Xu)

135
I do not want John McCain re-enacting "Demolition Man," tahnk you very much.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:18 PM (4df7R)

Oh shit! Is that John McCain? Damn, they'll let anybody into the future!

Posted by: Simon Phoenix at March 28, 2014 11:18 AM (DrWcr)

136 127 Edit: "...not only *be paying* for themselves,.."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 28, 2014 11:19 AM (aDwsi)

137 Why old coffins had a small glass window in them. Just in case they pronounced dead someone who was not. Breathing fogs up the glass. Or you can see their terror stricken face when they wake up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:19 AM (IHAZk)

138 Work is over! Time to head home.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 28, 2014 11:19 AM (euACX)

139 >>We cool the body down, from 37 degrees to somewhere between 32 and 34 degrees. Having just been planting flowers in the first hot 'n humid day of the year, I'm willing to test this right now.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 28, 2014 11:20 AM (SUKHu)

140 So, this is possible but we can't figure out how to remove that fucking growth on the side of Obama's nose?

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 11:20 AM (3j/+H)

141 "Because a patient, if properly treated -- if his body temperature is artificially lowered way down -- can persist in a twilight state of near-death for a couple of hours. And in those two hours, doctors can repair the physical trauma that caused the death in the first place." hah. Sounds great. Oh. Except for Obamacare. yer dead.

Posted by: tangonine at March 28, 2014 11:20 AM (x3YFz)

142 138 Work is over! Time to head home.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 28, 2014 03:19 PM (euACX)

Lucky. *grumble grumble*

Posted by: Insomniac at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (DrWcr)

143 >>>I could be wrong, but I think this is because there is no FDA of surgical procedures. actually I'm 99% sure I saw in one of those articles a reference to needing some clearance from the FDA for this. The FDA would be in the loop, because they're replacing people's blood with cold saline solution. That would count as a "drug" as far as the FDA is concerned.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (/FnUH)

144 Mark D. Bearden, Ph.D. Monroe, North Carolina Methinks the Dr. doth protest too much. I always get suspicious when people say "I didn't vote for Obama" and I really, really am a conservative" In addition, who brags in a letter than they are a Fox news addict?!!.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (XyM/Y)

145 I do not want John McCain re-enacting "Demolition Man," tahnk you very much. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:18 PM (4df7R) Speaking of that movie I've seen it more than a few times over the years and it was only the last time that I saw it where I noticed how they fought surrounded by fire at the beginning of the film and ice at the end of the film. I'm either slow or it doesn't mean anything anyway.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (oFCZn)

146 So, this is possible but we can't figure out how to remove that fucking growth on the side of Obama's nose?

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 03:20 PM (3j/+H)

That's not a growth, its his personality.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (IHAZk)

147 You'll pay for that someday Dack,
Soon.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (DL2i+)

148 Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 03:20 PM (3j/+H) Or how to regrow Michelle's eyebrows?

Posted by: Seems legit at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (A98Xu)

149 Why old coffins had a small glass window in them. Just in case they pronounced dead someone who was not. Breathing fogs up the glass. Or you can see their terror stricken face when they wake up.

Great, new nightmare. I'm in a coffin, trapped and screaming. I'm looking out a little window into the sky. Then a man appears over me. I get his attention and he smiles and waves at me. Then he picks up a shovel and starts filling in the grave.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:21 AM (WhJf8)

150 140 So, this is possible but we can't figure out how to remove that fucking growth on the side of Obama's nose? Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 03:20 PM (3j/+H) It's not that it's the way he whistles his freaking "S's" It's just infuriating.

Posted by: tangonine at March 28, 2014 11:22 AM (x3YFz)

151

>>>John McCain plunging out of a icy container, gasping for breath.

*lightbulb!* [ding]

Anybody here ever play Morrow Project? I think we might have a way to survive The Emburnening

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:22 AM (3ZtZW)

152 "If we had any actual conservatives in the Republican Party during the recent spell when the GOP had control of the House, the Senate and the White House, they might have taken the time to enact 'opt-out' provisions for FDA-overseen drugs and devices."

Oh, and let's remind ourselves that Our Betters in the Republican Party of that era actually _could_ occasionally bestir themselves to discuss federal policy regarding medical matters.

By.... wait for it.... drumroll.... the envelope please...

Pushing to extend the patent protection interval for Claritin.

A particular favorite of that senile old fuckwit Orrin Hatch.

I'm sure we can all agree that this is the sort of thing the GOP really needs to be focusing on. Further entrenching medical monopolies and reducing consumer choice.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 11:22 AM (noWW6)

153 So now I'm thinking that it's time to hit the Hot Tub

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 28, 2014 11:22 AM (TfdkD)

154 That's not a growth, its his personality. I think it might be a genital wart that hopped off Reggie Love's ball sack and attached itself to Barack's face.

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 11:22 AM (3j/+H)

155 >>>Not to go all "Final Destination" or anything, but that kind of thing could have some profound psychological, emotional and spiritual impacts on a person. the first article, the Spiegel one, has Doctor Parnia talking about Near Death Experiences, discussing them in a Maybe-They're-Real sort of way. The interviewer gives him the out of blaming them on hallucinations due to lack of oxygen in the brain and he ignores that out.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:23 AM (/FnUH)

156 at some point, Alvaro Garza Jr, moved to Texas, got married, joined a drug ring, beat the crap out of his wife and got arrested

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:23 AM (zOTsN)

157 "Peter Wehner Pronounced wee-nuhr. And his middle name is Dong." Three for three. I'm sure he had a beautiful childhood.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:23 AM (gOoFi)

158 BTW, I think NDEs ARE in fact caused by lack of oxygen and hallucination. I'm just tellin' you what Parnia said.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:23 AM (/FnUH)

159 Head shots for zombies.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 28, 2014 11:23 AM (yh0zB)

160 bonhomme, you really need to read some Poe. He had a fetish about premature burial.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:24 AM (IHAZk)

161 57 "re-animating a bunch of gangbangers that were shot in drivebys"

Wouldn't want to be racist, would we?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 03:04 PM (gOoFi)

Hmm. ZombieGangBangerNado. *hurriedly scribbles in notepad*

Nice hash, btw.

Posted by: Hollywood Brain Trust at March 28, 2014 11:24 AM (Kkt/i)

162 Re: the blog post, I've often thought that if a person had heart failure, while one person is performing CPR, someone else can get bags of frozen peas or whatever is in the fridge and surround the head to cool down the brain. Does this sound batty?

Posted by: crowley at March 28, 2014 11:24 AM (h/UbW)

163

I do not want John McCain re-enacting "Demolition Man," tahnk you very much.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:18 PM (4df7R)

Oh shit! Is that John McCain? Damn, they'll let anybody into the future!

Posted by: Simon Phoenix at March 28, 2014 03:18 PM (DrWcr)

WTF Am I doing here? "Come out to the coast, we'll get together, have a few laughs..."

Posted by: John McClane at March 28, 2014 11:24 AM (D+lxs)

164 Work is over! Time to head home.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at March 28, 2014 03:19 PM (euACX)

Meh. Have to go back to work tonight after playing hookey all last week.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (yh0zB)

165 When I use to watch those medical shows, and a doctor wanted to do something "controversial" it seems as though they convened a hospital board. This board made up of doctors, accountants and lawyers determined the ethical, cost effectiveness and legal implications of the proposed action. Like reattaching a rapists penis that had been cut off by a victim. Or something like that.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (A98Xu)

166 No conservative ever prefaces that they watch Fox News like it some sort of right wing authenticity check.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (WdbF7)

167 To add/clarify: "cool down the brain" to slow down cell deterioration/death.

Posted by: crowley at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (h/UbW)

168 BTW, I think NDEs ARE in fact caused by lack of oxygen and hallucination. I'm just tellin' you what Parnia said. But why do people always seem to hallucinate the same thing?

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (GXZgZ)

169 122 RWC - No 'Mark Bearden' shown by White Pages in Monroe, NC. FWIW Perhaps it is "Beard on"

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (aDwsi)

170 >suspended animation

Well it is a bit of a misnomer. Suspended seems to imply completely halted metabolic process which isn't the case unless you go into really cold storage. Abated animation is probably closer to what happens.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at March 28, 2014 11:25 AM (0q2P7)

171 65 Hmmm.. just had a thought...

Zombie Kate Upton.

D'ya hit it?

I would.
Posted by: dananjcon at March 28, 2014 03:07 PM (NpXoL)

Twice for good measure.

Posted by: flounder at March 28, 2014 11:26 AM (Kkt/i)

172 "re-animating a bunch of gangbangers that were shot in drivebys" >>

Can they install a Kill switch during the operation?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 28, 2014 11:26 AM (tf9Ne)

173 It's not that I get suspious that they say they're a conservative who didn't vote for Obama. It's when it's combined with the gushing praise for Obamacare-"the best health care I've ever had,"Uhhhhh huhhhhh

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2014 11:26 AM (XyM/Y)

174 >>So, this is possible but we can't figure out how to remove that fucking growth on the side of Obama's nose? Quato.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2014 11:26 AM (g1DWB)

175 Then he picks up a shovel and starts filling in the grave.

Points to R on your voter card, toodles finger wave bye and pitter, thump.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:26 AM (DL2i+)

176 Is this a movie review of Flatliners?

Posted by: Bad mother...shut you mouth at March 28, 2014 11:26 AM (1rEgY)

177 oh and arson Alvaro Garza Jr on a most wanted listed for arson so theres that

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:27 AM (zOTsN)

178 bonhomme, you really need to read some Poe. He had a fetish about premature burial.

I've read Telltale Heart and The Raven. I should go back and read some more.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:27 AM (A0glY)

179 No conservative ever prefaces that they watch Fox News like it some sort of right wing authenticity check. Nope......it's silly bullshit.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 11:27 AM (VhqUZ)

180 137 Also, a small bell installed you could theoretically ring before they put you under.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 28, 2014 11:27 AM (aUQgu)

181 Alvaro Garza Jr on a most wanted listed for arson

For some reason he just can never get warm.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 11:27 AM (0AKks)

182 RWC - No 'Mark Bearden' shown by White Pages in Monroe, NC. FWIW Perhaps it is "Beard on" Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 28, 2014 03:25 PM (aDwsi) It was put out by the WhiteHouse so I assumed it was full of shit. Thanks for confirming.

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:28 AM (fWAjv)

183 Does this sound batty? Posted by: crowley at March 28, 2014 03:24 PM (h/UbW) Yes and no. It's the 02 loss, not the cold. You probably want to keep the 02 going as much as possible. But I'm not a doc, so others will weigh in.

Posted by: tangonine at March 28, 2014 11:28 AM (x3YFz)

184 I hope Mark Bearden doesn't have any OFA on him, because he's under the Internet Microscope now. Looking forward to the Breitbart article on that background. I didn't find anything (at all) with a quick search.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2014 11:28 AM (qyfb5)

185 There is a very early black and white silent film called Vampyr where the guy who gets dragged into the battle against the village's vampire is at one point put in a coffin with such a window. Then they filmed from his POV inside the coffin looking out the window while being carried. Tres freaky it twas.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:28 AM (IHAZk)

186 bonhomme, you really need to read some Poe. He had a fetish about premature burial.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 03:24 PM (IHAZk)

For example, get this, "The Premature Burial" (http://poestories.com/read/premature).

And there's always "The Fall of the House of Usher" (http://poestories.com/read/houseofusher)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:28 AM (4df7R)

187 "And I signed up for a plan for $62 a month. " -Mark D. Bearden, Ph.D. So, Dr. Bearden, you have Ph. D and yet make so little a month that tax payers subsidize probably 90% of your monthly premiums?

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 11:28 AM (hFL/3)

188 How come all NDE people have basically the same oxygen deprived dream?

Posted by: Bad mother...shut you mouth at March 28, 2014 11:29 AM (1rEgY)

189 86 I guess that means, if you shoot a goblin in Pittsburgh, just to watch him die, you had better watch him die. No more half-measures.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2014 03:11 PM (xBL8h)

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Ripley at March 28, 2014 11:29 AM (Kkt/i)

190 Is Mark Bearden a "composite friend" of Obamacare?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2014 11:29 AM (qyfb5)

191 Can they install a Kill switch during the operation?

How about an adjustable pace-maker? The gang-banger starts acting up and you give him arrhythmia.

*clutches chest*
"What'choo doing mang?"

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:29 AM (A0glY)

192 the first article, the Spiegel one, has Doctor Parnia talking about Near Death Experiences, discussing them in a Maybe-They're-Real sort of way.

The interviewer gives him the out of blaming them on hallucinations due to lack of oxygen in the brain and he ignores that out.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 03:23 PM (/FnUH)

My co-worker had a near death experience. He was having some chest pains at work and the health center called an ambulance for him when they took his blood pressure and it came back as HOLYSHIT!

On the way to the hospital, he was so terrified that his heart rate became extremely elevated and irregular. The EMT had to give him something to "reset" his heart, a drug that would basically lock up his heart muscle for a few moments, and then had to defib his heart. While his heart had stopped and he was defibbed, he said he actually saw a "light" before he came back out of unconsciousness.

Posted by: EC at March 28, 2014 11:30 AM (GQ8sn)

193 >>> Re: the blog post, I've often thought that if a person had heart failure, while one person is performing CPR, someone else can get bags of frozen peas or whatever is in the fridge and surround the head to cool down the brain. Does this sound batty? ... for a nonexpert, probably, yeah, not advisable. It seems that the small amount of cooling you'd do wouldn't be nearly enough to provide any help, and all you'd really be doing is adding another weird variable for the dying body to process.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:30 AM (/FnUH)

194

>>>No conservative ever prefaces that they watch Fox News like it some sort of right wing authenticity check.

No kidding.

If rewritten by an actual conservative, it'd be full of stuff like "...this dickweed's healthcare scam really pissed me off but I had no other choice because the wife kept nagging me. Anyway, after waiting almost 3 years to get the webpage to process anything, I signed up..."

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:30 AM (3ZtZW)

195 179 No conservative ever prefaces that they watch Fox News like it some sort of right wing authenticity check. Nope......it's silly bullshit. Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 03:27 PM (VhqUZ) Yup. Cavuto. Everything else is stuff I already read on Drudge or here.

Posted by: tangonine at March 28, 2014 11:30 AM (x3YFz)

196 Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 02:59 PM (ZKzrr) Emergency consent waiver baby. I close my eyes and picture exactly how (and why) they went that way.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:30 AM (HDwDg)

197 Dr. Adolf Gutsmuth was buried alive several times to demonstrate a safety coffin of his own design, and in 1822 he stayed underground for several hours and even ate a meal of soup, bratwurst, marzipan, sauerkraut, spÃ¤tzle, beer, and for dessert, prinzregententorte, delivered to him through the coffin's feeding tube. Dude! You're in a buried coffin and you're eating sauerkraut and bratwurst?!?

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (fWAjv)

198 "How come all NDE people have basically the same oxygen deprived dream? " Good question. You never really hear stories of giant spiders or drowning in Gell-o in those "dreams."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (gOoFi)

199

188 How come all NDE people have basically the same oxygen deprived dream?

Excellent point Bad Mother. I doubt Ace will respond.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (oDCMR)

200 Alternate thread theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMiDZIY1bM

Posted by: flounder at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (Kkt/i)

201 Using frozen vegetables while doing CPR.

EMT, "Well Ms. Smith Wilbur there did save your life with CPR. But looks like you have acute frostbite on the ears from him using the 5lb jumbo bags of frozen peas to chill your brain."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (IHAZk)

202 "I am a staunch Republican, a self-proclaimed Fox News addict, and I didn't vote for the President. And I'm here to tell you that Obamacare works. I'm living proof."

I'm not a Limbaugh fan, far from it, but one of the things Limbaugh has done correctly was to identify and spotlight this phenomenon. When it's done with call-in talk radio, the term of art is "seminar callers".

Where they're liberal operatives who have been put through a training seminar on how to hit all those high points. Including falsely identifying themselves as "staunch Republicans" and the like.

They never really ever get the fine details down.

For instance, here among the Horde, would ANY of you describe yourselves as being, quote, "self-proclaimed Fox News addicts"?

It's the sort of thing that liberals imagine conservatives might say.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (noWW6)

203 bear in mind how seriously these guys are taking cooling the body, pumping out all the blood (to be separately cooled, for later), then pumping in cold saline solution in its place. That's serious cooling, man.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (/FnUH)

204

>>>But why do people always seem to hallucinate the same thing?

What. The blue room playing jazz music and the disembodied Voice saying to 'take a number and have a seat'?

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:31 AM (3ZtZW)

205 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 02:59 PM (ZPrif) Yes, no and kinda. "Novel procedures" aren't really covered because they're not "research" defined as it is in the regulation. This is clearly research at an institution that I'm reasonably sure has a Federal wide assurance so it'd be covered by all the regs.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (HDwDg)

206 Dude! You're in a buried coffin and you're eating sauerkraut and bratwurst?!?

That and book of matches could make an emergency escape plan.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (0AKks)

207 I'll be pickling myself in martinis tonight. DG, the important question: onion or olive?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (ndIek)

208 "Dr. Adolf Gutsmuth was buried alive several times to demonstrate a safety coffin of his own design, and in 1822 he stayed underground for several hours and even ate a meal of soup, bratwurst, marzipan, sauerkraut, spÃ¤tzle, beer, and for dessert, prinzregententorte, delivered to him through the coffin's feeding tube." That guy was a masochist.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (gOoFi)

209 "But why do people always seem to hallucinate the same thing?"

I'm going to assume it's because most brains react the same way when the oxygen slows then stops.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (IV4od)

210 I've read Telltale Heart and The Raven. I should go back and read some more. Posted by: bonhomme at March 28, 2014 03:27 PM (A0glY) 'Cask of Amontillado' and 'The Premature Burial' to add to your nightmares.

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (fWAjv)

211 Because Fox News is unquestionably conservative! The hell it is. It's marginally right of center and only then in the fact that they do allow the "other" to get some points out there. If I watch it all, and I rarely do these days, it's for the wimmins. Harris Faulkner, call me if you're reading this. You too Jamie Colby.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 11:32 AM (oFCZn)

212 Dude! You're in a buried coffin and you're eating sauerkraut and bratwurst?!?

That and book of matches could make an emergency escape plan.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 03:32 PM (0AKks)

Or a clever suicide.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:33 AM (4df7R)

213 Let's have fun and make up fake names and testimonials to Obamacare. I'm Mark Christian, PhD and I live in Gainesville, FL. I wouldn't miss going to church every Sunday and I sing in the praise band . I am a strong proponent of the second amendment, don't support abortion and didn't vote for President Obama either time. I wouldn;t miss NASCAR or FOX news. But I want you to know that I checked out the Affordable Care Act and it is both affordable and caring. Sign up Now!!! ***Not offense to anyone who does any of those things, of course*****

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2014 11:33 AM (XyM/Y)

214 Your world may frighten and confuse me, but I am so suing those bastards.

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer at March 28, 2014 11:33 AM (A9F3C)

215 >I am a staunch Republican, a self-proclaimed Fox News addict, and I didn't vote for the President. And I'm here to tell you that Obamacare works. I'm living proof.

Voted republican for every President since Lincoln? You just have some 'concerns' about the perception of Obamacare "not working"?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at March 28, 2014 11:33 AM (0q2P7)

216 "The test calls for ten patients who fit the protocol (violent trauma wound which will lead to death in minutes) being subjected to this procedure. Ten patients who fit the protocol will not have this procedure done on them -- they'll just receive regular ol' medical help, and will probably just die -- as a control group." I don't think the control group and the test group should be in the same hospital. It's too easy to fudge the results by selecting the best patients for the test group, and the everything but dead patients for the control group. One hospital should provide the procedure to everyone they think will die anyways, and one hospital shouldn't.

Posted by: NotCoach at March 28, 2014 11:33 AM (rsudF)

217 I saw the trailer for the Premature Burial when I was a kid. It terrified me so much, no way I could see the movie.

Posted by: Pug-De-Da! at March 28, 2014 11:33 AM (vFh9Q)

218 LOL Anna! Imagine being called pea-brained the rest of your days... Death would almost be preferable.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (OsWis)

219 I predict a glut of aspiring rappers just turning their lives around.

Posted by: whoever at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (pjMym)

220 drowning in Gell-o

The Kaboom version of Jell-o?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (A0glY)

221 bonhomme, you really need to read some Poe. He had a fetish about premature burial.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 03:24 PM (IHAZk)

----

Alot of 18th and 19th century folks did. It was a common fear. Many many burials were done with twine leading from the casket to a bell affixed to the headstone.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (nELVU)

222 ate a meal of soup, bratwurst, marzipan, sauerkraut, spÃ¤tzle, beer, and for dessert, prinzregententorte

I want what he's having.

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (ZKzrr)

223 "ate a meal of soup, bratwurst, marzipan, sauerkraut, spÃ¤tzle, beer, and for dessert, prinzregententorte, delivered to him through the coffin's feeding tube."

::: rolls up sleeves, look of determination :::

That's it. Bury my ass right now.

Make sure there's mustard on the brats, that the beer is a doppelbock, and there is an extra helping of the prinzregententorte.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (noWW6)

224 "Dr, the Clinton`s have been involved in a serious accident. Should we start our new life saving procedure?" "Yes, by all means...bring in the heaters!"

Posted by: Dr. NO NO at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (Tr2vC)

225 Viagra has been raising the dead for years Just ask bob dole

Posted by: Navycopjoe at March 28, 2014 11:34 AM (WnvXh)

226 https://www.facebook.com/mark.d.bearden Jan. 21: heading to SC for two days to spend time with the family. And if you haven't figured it out yet, I am now under Obamacare and it sucks just like the man who created it!!! Share Yesterday: I know this might not be popular with friends and family but I am having the most incredible time of my life right now. Months ago I wrote President Obama letting him know I am a staunch Republican, never voted for him, lost my insurance because of Obamacare. I went through the nightmare signing up for the healthcare plan. But I finally got through and got incredible insurance an incredible price. Though not a fan of him, I am so happy with the Affordable Care Act. It works. Last night while at work my phone rang with an "unavailable" listing. I usually do not answer those calls but I did. My heart dropped to my stomach. It was President Barack Obama. My letter was chosen as one of the ten letters he responds to every day. He asked if he could use my letter in the healthcare.gov website and a television commercial. Of course I agreed. Got an email from the Executive to the President today asking if she could call me tonight to go over details of the letter so she can forward a final draft to the President. Awaiting the call. Whether you like or hate the President, you have to realize you are talking to the most powerful person on the planet. I still do not care for him but do and will support his healthcare plan as it worked for me.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (hFL/3)

227 I'm going to assume it's because most brains react the same way when the oxygen slows then stops. Posted by: lowandslow at March 28, 2014 03:32 PM (IV4od) I'll need to do some digging, but that theory has been considered and rejected.

Posted by: tangonine at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (x3YFz)

228 Sweet. Flatliners is real.

Asssssss-lickin' son of a bitch.

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (Y/HG5)

229 Beth, I hear you callin' But I can't come home right now Me and the boys are playin' And we just can't find the sound

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (da5Wo)

230 without consent

Posted by: Max Power at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (q177U)

231 "The Kaboom version of Jell-o?" Yeah, the shitty generic kind.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (gOoFi)

232 Maybe we could cool down McCain and send his ass off into space to say perhaps, Mars with a no return sticker on it. He could wake up 50 years from now and go bug the shit out of some aliens. First thing he says when he wakes,,,,My Freindsh. Itsh good to be here on Marsh. The aliens assume we're all assholes and decide to never come here.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:35 AM (igKtt)

233 Hi, I'm a hipster douche. I vote straight Democratic ticket every election. I watch MSNBC faithfully. I just want to let everyone know that that I attended a Tea Party rally this weekend, and it was great! If you are not a contributing member, I urge you to sign up and contribute immediately.

Posted by: Marc Beard On at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (aDwsi)

234 Another possible theme song for this thread

http://youtu.be/aowSGxim_O8

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (IHAZk)

235 It was put out by the WhiteHouse so I assumed it was full of shit. Thanks for confirming. Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 03:28 PM (fWAjv) He has a FB page....and it's on there. http://tinyurl.com/kx6wkew

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (bCEmE)

236 >I wouldn;t miss NASCAR

Bristol is the Chariot Race in Ben Hur.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (0q2P7)

237 then pumping in cold saline solution in its place. That's serious cooling, man. Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 03:31 PM (/FnUH) Wouldn't pumping frozen propylene glycol in work better? The stuff from gel packs - it's already below freezing. kidding

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (fWAjv)

238 Assuming they remember to thaw you back out. I was supposed to go in for a simple tonsillectomy. Next thing I know this Kirk guy puts me on a planet with brain-eating silverfish.

Posted by: Khan Noonian Singh at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (jPWsV)

239 Alot of 18th and 19th century folks did. It was a common fear.

It was even a feature of the Great Train Robbery (the actual event, plus the book and the movie).

*thinks impure thoughts about Lesley-Anne Down*

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (fOLwM)

240 Ok, this sounds like it might have some possibilities. But can anybody tell me why Ted Williams had his head chopped off and then both it and his body were frozen separately so he can be re-animated someday? That just sounds nuts.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (g1DWB)

241 "The Kaboom version of Jell-o?"

Yeah, the shitty generic kind.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 03:35 PM (gOoFi)

Made from rendered hobo cartilage.

Posted by: EC at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (GQ8sn)

242 I'm going to assume it's because most brains react the same way when the oxygen slows then stops. Posted by: lowandslow at March 28, 2014 03:32 PM...............You've never listened to our Vice President I take it.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:36 AM (igKtt)

243 This Bearden guy seems to be on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/mark.d.bearden

He's got a history in his timeline that goes back a ways, so he must be a legit person.

But, his finances must be for shit, or he couldn't get a plan for $62 a month.

So, once again.. Obamacare does indeed work.. for the chronically ill and poor... all on our dime. This is not a surprise.

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (Z7PrM)

244 >>>"But why do people always seem to hallucinate the same thing?" the narrowing of the field of vision to a small point is a common symptom of many oxygen-depletion syndromes. Pilots have "tunnel vision" as they black out, for example. Also, I think people often claim the light is "roseate." Well, there's another word for that: Pink. and I think that when people are losing consciousness due to hypoxia, their vision reddens.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (/FnUH)

245 bear in mind how seriously these guys are taking cooling the body, pumping out all the blood (to be separately cooled, for later), then pumping in cold saline solution in its place. That's serious cooling, man. When the revive you, do you have a serious urge to go move to Alaska or go polar swimming?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (ndIek)

246 231 "The Kaboom version of Jell-o?"

Yeah, the shitty generic kind.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 03:35 PM (gOoFi)

---------

If you close your eyes when you eat it, it tastes the same, I swear.

Posted by: Kid trying to desperately salvage his childhood from trauma at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (A9F3C)

247 Pittsburgh....home of the Steelers, unemployment, and now this. And just how is ObamaCare going to pay for this crapola?

Posted by: IrishEd at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (bfm04)

248 So, Dr. Bearden, you have Ph. D and yet make so little a month that tax payers subsidize probably 90% of your monthly premiums?

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 03:28 PM (hFL/3)

Just ain't no market for a Ph. D. in Obamafellation. Market's been cornered.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (xBL8h)

249 This is wild. So is the way they replaced a woman's diseased skull with a 3D printed plastic one. I love the 21st century.

Posted by: Roy at March 28, 2014 11:37 AM (VndSC)

250 Posted by: NotCoach at March 28, 2014 03:33 PM (rsudF) Strict and well defined inclusion and exclusion criteria combined with a preset of randomization could account for this. It wouldn't even be that hard. Randomize *before* you even see the patients, lay out your criteria and have in place rules to ensure anyone who meets the criteria are not excluded from the study for any other reason. Fairly common in clinical trials actually.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:38 AM (HDwDg)

251 You can actually be legally brain dead and still serve as Vice President.

Posted by: Joey Choo-Choo at March 28, 2014 11:38 AM (W7ffl)

252 Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 03:35 PM (hFL/3) "My heart dropped to my stomach" LOL.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2014 11:38 AM (XyM/Y)

253 Maybe we could cool down McCain and send his ass off into space to say perhaps, Mars with a no return sticker on it. He could wake up 50 years from now and go bug the shit out of some aliens. First thing he says when he wakes,,,,My Freindsh. Itsh good to be here on Marsh. The aliens assume we're all assholes and decide to never come here.

Let space cool him down. I'm picturing his coffin floating away in a perfectly straight line like a Star Trek funeral. Then suddenly jerking off course as McCain wakes up and starts kicking.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:38 AM (A0glY)

254 Or you could just do this to keep their organs preserved until the recipients of said organs can be prepped for surgery.

Robin Cook thought of this decades ago....

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2014 11:38 AM (udjuE)

255

>I am a staunch Republican, a self-proclaimed Fox News addict, and I
didn't vote for the President. And I'm here to tell you that Obamacare
works. I'm living proof.

This reminds me. Boehner and the rest of House leadership are going to a retreat on an island off Florida with Steve LaTourette and his Main Street Advocacy group to learn how to kill off all them ignint Tea Partiers.

Posted by: Bigby's Thumbnails at March 28, 2014 11:38 AM (3ZtZW)

256 The aliens assume we're all assholes and decide to never come here.

More likely they'll treat our planet as if it had an infection of the Vang.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 11:39 AM (0AKks)

257 I have no explanation for the common claim of "viewing their body from above," except the easy one: Memory is not a tape recorder. It is re-assembled from fragments (often verbal associations) every time you remember something. Every memory you have is basically false, as you're just telling yourself a story about what something looked like when you saw it. The "viewing the body from above" could just be that kind of memory trick. Especially given that so many people now describe it as exactly that -- that would be an input we have when we reassemble our memories to tell ourselves a new story about the past.

Posted by: ace at March 28, 2014 11:39 AM (/FnUH)

258 Also from Mark Bearden yesterday: Mark D Bearden It is incredible as i just got off the phone with the white house with a first Draft of my letter which i made changes to. And they also warned me that i may become a target whether positive or negative to the media. 20 hours ago Â· 1 Luke Armstrong Is it possible for you to post your letter here on Facebook? I'd be interested in reading what you had to say. 19 hours ago Mark D Bearden I will do that tomorrow as a final Draft has been sent to the President for approval. There were three changes that we agreed upon. None changing my view on the President which is not positive. Just minor wording. I am supposed to get a call back from the White House in the morning sometime. 19 hours ago Ashlee SimplyMe Rushing Wow...I thought u were kidding...! 19 hours ago Mark D Bearden Um, no. And still going back and forth tonight about the wording.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 11:39 AM (hFL/3)

259 I do wonder how they're going to offset the ice crystallization problems that result from freezing cells. It's a fairly well known and studied phenomenon, and part of the reason we don't do this that often.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:39 AM (HDwDg)

260 Posted by: bonhomme at March 28, 2014 03:38 PM .No I want McCain to meet aliens so they assume we're all assholes like him. That way they never want to come here and be our new overlords.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (igKtt)

261 bonhomme, you really need to read some Poe. He had a fetish about premature burial. I understand it, but why? Just wait a week until they start stinking, then plant 'em.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (ndIek)

262 It was even a feature of the Great Train Robbery (the actual event, plus the book and the movie).

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 28, 2014 03:36 PM (fOLwM)

-----

Can you imagine being locked up in a casket with a rotting cat for the weekend.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (nELVU)

263 Let's have fun and make up fake names and testimonials to Obamacare.

OOH! Good idea, Fenelon!

I'm Beth Abrams of Salt Lake City, UT, and I have an MBA from Brigham Young University. You could say I'm a Republican, if by "Republican" you mean "founder of the local Rush Limbaugh Dittohead Fanclub," or maybe, "the lady who DVRs every episode of The O'Reilly Factor," or even, "the one with an airbrushed Bald Eagle on the side of her Ford F-150 and a 'Reagan/Bush '84' bumper sticker." If that's what you mean by "Republican," then yeah, I guess I'm kind of a Republican.

And I'm here to tell you that Obamacare WORKS.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (4df7R)

264 Dude! You're in a buried coffin and you're eating sauerkraut and bratwurst?!?

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 03:31 PM (fWAjv)

"Stand back, now, folks, and I will demonstrate my new gas-fired automatic coffin exhumator." (strikes match)

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (xBL8h)

265 .if, I say now, when, as I conceive and imagine, God orders me to fulfill the philosopher's mission of searching into myself and other men, I were to desert my post through fear of death, or any other fear; that would indeed be strange, and I might justly be arraigned in court for denying the existence of the gods... then I would be fancying that I was wise when I was not wise. For this fear of death is indeed the pretense of wisdom, and not real wisdom, being the appearance of knowing the unknown; since no one knows whether death, which they in their fear apprehend to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good. ...this is the point in which, as I think, I am superior to men in general, and in which I might perhaps fancy myself wiser than other men Â— that whereas I know but little of the world below, I do not suppose that I know: but I do know that injustice and disobedience to a better, whether God or man, is evil and dishonorable, and I will never fear or avoid a possible good rather than a certain evil.

Posted by: Socrates at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (A9F3C)

266 I do wonder how they're going to offset the ice crystallization problems that result from freezing cells. It's a fairly well known and studied phenomenon, and part of the reason we don't do this that often. Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 03:39 PM ..............Yall make sure you put a coaster under Uncle Phil!

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:40 AM (igKtt)

267 I saw Serious Cooling open for 98 Degrees at the Carrier Dome.

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 11:41 AM (ZKzrr)

268 I have actually thought about this from time to time. I came to the conclusion that no one comes back from the dead. When you're dead, you're dead. You cannot die for 35 seconds or whatever and then come back to life. You were never dead in the first place. Just because you're heart stopped and whatever medically, it doesn't mean you 'died.' It just goes to show that we mere humans know absolutely nothing about Death; we barely know shit about Life.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 11:41 AM (47IEJ)

269 Dude! You're in a buried coffin and you're eating sauerkraut and bratwurst?!?
Gotta stay warm.

Posted by: fluffy at March 28, 2014 11:41 AM (Ua6T/)

270 Is he related to the original faker (20 something college student) from way back when?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2014 11:41 AM (XyM/Y)

271 Micro opinion poll. First, spend about a minute skimming or reading this article: Racism charges roil ethics debate over PUC official http://tinyurl.com/m2wpnum Question: Is this article: a. Boring. b. A bit interesting. c. Pretty weird. d. Maddening -- but typical in Obama's America. e. Outrageous and infuriating. f. I can't answer right now because my head exploded and I hate everything in the universe.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 11:41 AM (mizYg)

272 He has a FB page....and it's on there. http://tinyurl.com/kx6wkew Posted by: Tami at March 28, 2014 03:36 PM (bCEmE) Wow. They were actually honest.

Posted by: RWC at March 28, 2014 11:41 AM (fWAjv)

273 Every memory you have is basically false, as you're just telling yourself a story about what something looked like when you saw it. Whats really strange to me is how different people look than their picture in my memory whenever I see them again. Or maybe that's just me.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 11:42 AM (GXZgZ)

274 I understand it, but why? Just wait a week until they start stinking, then plant 'em.

I see a flaw in your plan. A bunch of them stank when they were breathing. Especially if they had necrotic teeth or something.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:42 AM (A0glY)

275 More from Dr. Mark: "Just home from a long and very hard day at work.....put out over 30 party platters....something must be going on today!!!! Â— feeling exhausted." I'm going out on a limb here and guessing he's not a professor.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 11:42 AM (hFL/3)

276 And 'suspended animation' is right up there with matter transportation and time travel and laser weapons on space ships -- all pipe dreams and fantasy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 11:43 AM (47IEJ)

277 I've been called cold blooded. Actually I've been called worse

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2014 11:43 AM (nzKvP)

278 NDE entails more than walking to the light. And people who are unconscious aren't usually using their vision at that time. NDE testimonials are frightening for atheists.

Posted by: Bad mother...shut you mouth at March 28, 2014 11:43 AM (1rEgY)

279 Why did they let Harry Reid out of the hospital before reversing the condition?

Posted by: wth at March 28, 2014 11:43 AM (wAQA5)

280 But I finally got through and got incredible insurance an incredible price.

He hasn't tried to use it to pay for an actual medical treatment, has he?

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 11:44 AM (ZKzrr)

281 There's a name for out-of-body experiences. Dreams.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 11:44 AM (47IEJ)

282 "Why did they let Harry Reid out of the hospital before reversing the condition?" Dude, they did reverse the condition before they turned him out.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:44 AM (gOoFi)

283 I do wonder how they're going to offset the ice crystallization problems that result from freezing cells.

It's like when you freeze meat and then thaw it and then freeze it again....

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (4df7R)

284 Probably already noted, but: ER physicians and anesthesiologists have a saying about hypothermia victims, they're not truly dead until they're warm and dead.

Posted by: Pigilito at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (AW99N)

285 I'm wanted.........Wanted......dead or alive.,....

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (igKtt)

286 According to this, he's a 'retired psychologist'..... http://tinyurl.com/kkzyv2x AND....he's reached level 24 in UNO and Friends! (per FB)

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (bCEmE)

287 Gene Rodenberry was way ahead of his time apparently.

Brain and brain, what is brain?!

Posted by: Eymorg at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (pjMym)

288 And 'suspended animation' is right up there with matter transportation and time travel and laser weapons on space ships -- all pipe dreams and fantasy.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 03:43 PM (47IEJ)

----

Anybody ever read Stephen Kings short story "The Jaunt".

For some reason that story bugged/scared the shit out of me.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (nELVU)

289 Speaking of 'raising the dead'

"I will never ever ever ever as long as I am breathing stop before immigration reform is passed... when immigration reform passes I will make sure it is forever called the Edward M. Kennedy immigration bill"

Hotair link in sock

Posted by: Juan McLame at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (kFxpe)

290 276 And 'suspended animation' is right up there with matter transportation and time travel and laser weapons on space ships -- all pipe dreams and fantasy. Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 03:43 PM (47IEJ) Yup.... just like all the crap Jules Verne writes about.... Submarines??? yeah.... sure....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2014 11:45 AM (84gbM)

291 This cooling thing. Is it covered?

Posted by: NCwoof at March 28, 2014 11:46 AM (aUQgu)

292 There are a few notable grave sites in New England, NH, Vermont, MA, but I can't remember which are where. Some with looking glasses, some with bells attached to strings, some with "trumpets" for the dead to call out. Maybe Strawberry Banks in NH.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 28, 2014 11:46 AM (ZshNr)

293 Two words: Ziploc bags.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 11:46 AM (47IEJ)

294 Hmm. Turns out there is a Mark Doyle. Bearden in Monroe.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at March 28, 2014 11:46 AM (aDwsi)

295 So Michelle Malkin has embraced a left-wing asian activist to hammer Colbert over a asian race joke (which was making fun of Dan Snyder starting a charity for Indians to try and save the Redskins name.) It's fun to use the race hammer to attack the left, but the left-wing asian chick (Park) is an anti-white bigot. She just wants asians on the official list of "people of color" you aren't allowed to mock in any manner -- she hates white people. She hides under hating "white privilege" but it's really just hating white people. Kinda annoying to see Malkin embrace and promote hard-left activist like that just cause it's useful and it's an asian chick.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:46 AM (ZPrif)

296 I see a flaw in your plan. A bunch of them stank when they were breathing. Especially if they had necrotic teeth or something. Well, when they swell up like an armadillo on a West Texas highway, you can bet that they are pretty much done for.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 11:46 AM (ndIek)

297 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:45 PM (4df7R) Indeed, and when you thaw meat liquid usually is released from ice crystals puncturing various cells and extracellular matrices. maybe what I've read has overstated it's effect, but it seems like it'd be a bit of a problem.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:47 AM (HDwDg)

298 I understand it, but why? Just wait a week until they start stinking, then plant 'em.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 03:40 PM (ndIek)

That was the whole purpose of a wake, BTW.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 28, 2014 11:47 AM (yh0zB)

299 "McCain wants to name the new Amnesty Act after Ted Kennedy..." Ah, so it'll be something like "The Wrath of Chappaquiddick Memorial Immigration Bill" or some such?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:47 AM (gOoFi)

300 Right. Submarines were really farfetched. No one ever thought of holding their breath under water before.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 11:47 AM (47IEJ)

301 As a lifelong gay bashing Republican with the scars on my knuckles to prove it, I totally hate the queer Muslim darkie squatting in my White House.

That's why you can really trust me when I tell you that Obamacare is the bestest thing since lynching.

Posted by: Ellie Light at March 28, 2014 11:47 AM (W7ffl)

302 Question:

Is this article:

a. Boring.
b. A bit interesting.
c. Pretty weird.
d. Maddening -- but typical in Obama's America.
e. Outrageous and infuriating.
f. I can't answer right now because my head exploded and I hate everything in the universe.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 03:41 PM (mizYg)

I'm going to have to go with (F), zombie. I am sick of this continued use of racialist propaganda to excuse clear and obvious misconduct and outright lawbreaking. ARRRRRRRRRGH.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:47 AM (4df7R)

303 So he's a Psychologist with a PhD and a Deli clerk. Impressive, but kinda the typical Republican stereotype, am I right?

Posted by: lowandslow at March 28, 2014 11:48 AM (IV4od)

304 Larry King has been in this state for years

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 28, 2014 11:48 AM (nTgAI)

305 This is final proof that Sarah Palin was wrong all along about that "Death Panels" thing. Turns out, under Obamacare we'll merely have "Suspended Animation Panels" in which poor, ugly or conservative people will be put in medically-induced suspended animation. Permanently.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 11:48 AM (mizYg)

306 Did Obamacare give that Beard guy a blowjob? How is it so much better than his cancelled insurance?

Posted by: Bad mother...shut you mouth at March 28, 2014 11:48 AM (1rEgY)

307 I am Tina Smiles, a stay at home homeschooling mom of seven from OK and a proud wife to Kevin. We have always voted Republican. I have to tell you I was really opposed to The Affordable Care Act (or what I used to all "Obamacare") because I didn't see how it could possibly work. But after some initial hesitation I went to website, signed up and now I only have to pay $25.00 a month for the most wonderful healthcare ever.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at March 28, 2014 11:48 AM (XyM/Y)

308 maybe what I've read has overstated it's effect, but it seems like it'd be a bit of a problem.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 03:47 PM (HDwDg)

Maybe they aren't going to chill the victims down to the freezing point, but juuuuust a hair above? To avoid the shredding caused by such crystalization.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:48 AM (4df7R)

309 Not sure if Malkin just see this a useful hammer to start a left-on-left fight, or really think comedians should be banned for ever making an ethnic joke -- especially since this joke was trying to attack the Redskins owner for being racist.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (ZPrif)

310 I'm sure there must be some kind of anti-freeze in the solution. Or perhaps the bodies never get all the way down to 32.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (GXZgZ)

311 OT McCain: I want to name AmericaÂ’s new immigration reform law after Ted Kennedy.................From henceforth it shall be done and referred to forthwith as the Drunken Raping Murder act.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (igKtt)

312 "271 Micro opinion poll. First, spend about a minute skimming or reading this article: Racism charges roil ethics debate over PUC official http://tinyurl.com/m2wpnum Question: Is this article: a. Boring. b. A bit interesting. c. Pretty weird. d. Maddening -- but typical in Obama's America. e. Outrageous and infuriating. f. I can't answer right now because my head exploded and I hate everything in the universe. Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 03:41 PM (mizYg) " F times a million. Friggen unbelievable. And read the entire article for the punchline, folks.

Posted by: NotCoach at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (rsudF)

313 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:28 PM (4df7R)

Don't forget "The Cask of Amantillado."

Posted by: Country Singer at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (r/e1Q)

314 "McCain wants to name the new Amnesty Act after Ted Kennedy..."

The "Captain of the SS Oldsmobile Amnesty Act"? Why not, it will do to the country what Teddy did to Mary Jo.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (0AKks)

315 Anybody want a peanut?

Posted by: Titanium at March 28, 2014 11:49 AM (D1yyP)

316 After 2 heart attacks, I have about 60% of my heart muscle left. And I never lost conciousness, and my heart never stopped beating. I'm sceptical that this would really help me.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (8MjqI)

317 I've read about Ted William's cryogenic "preservation" a fair amount. There are tuna fish cans involved.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (ZshNr)

318 How is it so much better than his cancelled insurance?

The rest of us are paying 95% of the premium.

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (ZKzrr)

319 I'm going out on a limb here and guessing he's not a professor. Posted by: Lauren
.........
One article referred to him as a retired Psychology Professor.

This smells really fishy.. a retired professor would be making a very nice pension.

He might also get healthcare provided.

And last.. when the fuck was the last time you knew a psychology professor who was a "staunch Republican"? WTF?

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (Z7PrM)

320 Or perhaps the bodies never get all the way down to 32. 32C, not 32F

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelieus at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (SY2Kh)

321 Also Mark Berden makes no mention of having cancer, but he does recount every other medical issue he's had in the past year. Several broken bones, a colonoscopy gone wrong, his mother's health issues ect. I doubt he'd leave cancer off that list since he seems very open to sharing his medical issues...

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (hFL/3)

322 I'm going to have to go with (F), zombie. I am sick of this continued use of racialist propaganda to excuse clear and obvious misconduct and outright lawbreaking. ARRRRRRRRRGH. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) In early returns, "my head exploded and I hate everything in the universe" is leading with 100% of the vote! This is what my inner Nate Silver suspected.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (mizYg)

323 Turns out, under Obamacare we'll merely have "Suspended Animation Panels" in which poor, ugly or conservative people will be put in medically-induced suspended animation. Permanently.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 03:48 PM (mizYg)

... Wait, I know where I've seen this before!

"Space Mutiny!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (4df7R)

324

Then they filmed from his POV inside the coffin looking out the window while being carried. Tres freaky it twas.

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Beatrix Kiddo at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (JtwS4)

325 >The "viewing the body from above" could just be that kind of memory trick. Especially given that so many people now describe it as exactly that -- that would be an input we have when we reassemble our memories to tell ourselves a new story about the past.

Reassemble a 3/D perspective displaced into 3rd person with diminished sensor data AND diminished processing capability AND limited observational perspective that doesn't include the recreated perspective? That's a reach. I can barely do 3/D mental reconstruction for rooms that I enter every day, fully cognizant, where every possible reconstructive perspective is someplace I actually observed the room from. If you want to cut out the divine on that one you are going to need to put stock in undiscovered brain functionality. Suddenly when your dying your addled on the brink of dysfunction brain becomes a hyper-efficient vector processor that would make any video card on the planet blush with envy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (0q2P7)

326 Sounds like something that would be funded by...the Koch Brothers.

Posted by: tu3031 at March 28, 2014 11:50 AM (nsQhi)

327 obama in Saudi Arabia. Every where he goes, he fucks things up royally. Can't wait to see what he does over in the sand box. I'd like to freeze the next 3 years of his Presidency. See how I tied this into the thread topic?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2014 11:51 AM (nzKvP)

328 oops.. retired psychologist.. that's a step down in pay.. but still a guaranteed lib.

Posted by: Chitown-Jerry at March 28, 2014 11:51 AM (Z7PrM)

329 McCain wants to name the new Amnesty Act after Ted Kennedy..." Do you note a HUGE amount of disdain, coming from the GOP elite... aimed at Conservatives? They at least used to try to hide it... now they are blatant about it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 28, 2014 11:51 AM (84gbM)

330 Sometimes, you'll picture me, I'm walking too far ahead...

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 28, 2014 11:51 AM (ZshNr)

331 encase me in carbon !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 28, 2014 11:51 AM (nTgAI)

332 F times a million. Friggen unbelievable. And read the entire article for the punchline, folks. Posted by: NotCoach Uh-oh, a write-in candidate, "F times a million," is now challenging F for the lead!

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (mizYg)

333 Yeah, the viewing the body stuff is just dreaming, recreation. There are many drugs that can give you the exact same experience.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (ZPrif)

334 He seems to have changed his mind from this Jan. 21st post: Mark D Bearden January 21 heading to SC for two days to spend time with the family. And if you haven't figured it out yet, I am now under Obamacare and it sucks just like the man who created it!!!

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (bCEmE)

335 Oppsie.!! Did I say $25.00 a month; Silly me. I meant 25.00. a year. Kevin and I are just so relieved all our healthcare needs will now be taken care of. I'm hear to tell you the Affordable Care Act WORKS, Call now!! You'll be glad that you did.

Posted by: Tina Smiles at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (XyM/Y)

336 d. Maddening -- but typical in Obama's America.
e. Outrageous and infuriating.
f. I can't answer right now because my head exploded and I hate everything in the universe.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 03:41 PM (mizYg)

All of those three.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (yh0zB)

337 Maybe this is just what we need to raise our ratings from the dead...

Posted by: MSNBC Exec at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (TfdkD)

338 The community waiver of consent is described in the article. None of these patients are in any shape to consent. I am a trauma surgeon who trained in a similar knife and gun club, and these are usually the patients dragged in by friends or the PD. I would also note that the vast majority of these patients are euphemistically described as "self pay" and are by no means upstanding members of society. That...may actually have been an issue that they had to deal with at the IRB (since the patients come from under served and at-risk populations, the consent process is more difficult). But even as we type, there are ambulance-chasing bastards preparing "wrongful death" lawsuits for patients who don't get a shot at this procedure.

Posted by: Abigail at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (7IBMJ)

339 305 So the Advanced Directive is now N/A

Posted by: NCwoof at March 28, 2014 11:52 AM (aUQgu)

340 271---zombie--- d. Maddening -- but typical in Obama's America. ----------------------- Or I might say "typical in today's America." This crap doesn't originate with Obama but has, IMO, increased and intensified under his rule.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at March 28, 2014 11:53 AM (dfYL9)

341 "Do you note a HUGE amount of disdain, coming from the GOP elite... aimed at Conservatives? " A lot of them miss the good ol' days when you could sandwich a waitress in public.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 28, 2014 11:53 AM (gOoFi)

342 There are a few notable grave sites in New England, NH, Vermont, MA, but I can't remember which are where. Some with looking glasses, some with bells attached to strings, some with "trumpets" for the dead to call out. Maybe Strawberry Banks in NH.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 28, 2014 03:46 PM (ZshNr)

Very probably. If you check out some of the older grave sites around here in New England you're bound to find them. Strawberry Bank is almost certainly one of them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:53 AM (4df7R)

343 I'm hear to tell you the Affordable Care Act WORKS, Call now!! You'll be glad that you did.

And the first twelve callers can double their order FREE! Just pay a separate shipping and handling charge.

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 11:54 AM (ZKzrr)

344

First, spend about a minute skimming or reading this article:

Racism charges roil ethics debate over PUC official

The page won't load for me. What's the Reader's Digest version?

Posted by: Insomniac at March 28, 2014 11:54 AM (DrWcr)

345 I think someone should sock REX DART, ESKIMO SPY. It's a great name.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 11:55 AM (47IEJ)

346 The body should be cooled to -40. That way, you don't have to worry about any C or F mistakes.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 28, 2014 11:55 AM (8MjqI)

347 is this a guy who loves Obamacare a Dr, like a Dr Jill Biden sort of Dr

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:55 AM (zOTsN)

348 Gawker is literally demanding that Rush Limbaugh and the Koch brothers be arrested and jailed for denying Global Warming. This is not a parody. Retweeted by Jim Hoft Political Math ‏@politicalmath Climate change activists are mostly reasonable, rational... WTF is this? http://gawker.com/arrest-climate-change-deniers-1553719888 Â…

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:55 AM (ZPrif)

349 I think someone should sock REX DART, ESKIMO SPY.

It's a great name.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 03:55 PM (47IEJ)

Rex Dart pops the clutch

And tells the thugs to eat his dust.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:56 AM (4df7R)

350 Hotair link in sock Posted by: Juan McLame at March 28, 2014 03:45 PM ......I think we should experiment on McCain. And forget the cooling part and go straight to the microwave.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:56 AM (igKtt)

351 And the first twelve callers can double their order FREE! Just pay a separate shipping and handling charge.

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 03:54 PM (ZKzrr)

NOW how much would you pay?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at March 28, 2014 11:56 AM (yh0zB)

352 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) at March 28, 2014 03:48 PM (4df7R) Heh, that's what I get for skimming and not thinking. That actually makes a ton of sense. Bah.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:56 AM (HDwDg)

353 Retweeted by Jim Hoft

Political Math ‏@politicalmath

Climate change activists are mostly reasonable, rational... WTF is this? http://gawker.com/arrest-climate-change-deniers-1553719888 Â…

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 03:55 PM (ZPrif)

*sigh*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 11:56 AM (4df7R)

354 @348 You think like us.........OR ELSE!

Posted by: Warmers at March 28, 2014 11:56 AM (gOoFi)

355 Cool! Zombie boycicles! Now I can have them at any time of day.

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 28, 2014 11:57 AM (Kkt/i)

356 I considered Eskimoe Green as a sock.

Posted by: Bad mother...shut your mouth at March 28, 2014 11:57 AM (1rEgY)

357 Mark Bearden Mark Bearden serves as a revivalist for Life Action Ministries. Whether in private prayer or public speaking opportunities, Mark carries a deep personal burden for God to bring genuine revival to the churches in America, and he has devoted his life to that purpose same guy?

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:57 AM (zOTsN)

358 But why do people always seem to hallucinate the same thing?

Just fukkin wit ya

Posted by: St. Peter[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 11:57 AM (DL2i+)

359 I read a book, 20+ years ago which, IIRC, was titled 'Into The Light', but that could be wrong. Anyway, it written by a man, a real SOB, who had been an assassin. He died and recovered twice in the ER and came back a changed man. He said that his encounter with God was that, in an instant, every good and every bad emotion he had caused, to himself and others, came flooding through him at once. That he had felt the pain he had caused to so many throughout his life. Now, I'm not Catholic, but the idea of Purgatory always made sense to me. God loves and forgives us, but it's difficult to believe that there would be no accounting for the harm we have done. His story just seemed right somehow. I guess I'll know someday if his story was true or not. Perhaps a few gang-bangers will find out due to this medical procedure.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 28, 2014 11:57 AM (DmNpO)

360 From Gawker: But there is scientific skepticism... and there is a malicious, profiteering quietist agenda posturing as skepticism. There is uncertainty about whether man-made climate change can be stopped or reversed... and there is the body of purulent pundits, paid sponsors, and corporate grifters who exploit the smallest uncertainty at the edges of a settled science. I'm talking about Rush and his multi-million-dollar ilk in the disinformation business. I'm talking about Americans for Prosperity and the businesses and billionaires who back its obfuscatory propaganda. I'm talking about public persons and organizations and corporations for whom denying a fundamental scientific fact is profitable, who encourage the acceleration of an anti-environment course of unregulated consumption and production that, frankly, will screw my son and your children and whatever progeny they manage to have. Those malcontents must be punished and stopped.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 11:57 AM (ZPrif)

361

Think it'll work?
It would take a miracle.

Posted by: DamnCat at March 28, 2014 11:58 AM (TBN/J)

362 So also with regard to the "staunch Republican" praising Obamacare:

Anyone else remember the "doctors" who showed up at pro-Obamacare rallies in white coats and stethoscopes, to praise the plan, who later turned out to actually be not doctors at all, but professional Democratic political operatives?

Anyone else remember Obama claiming to have met a waiter at a restaurant, who said that his severely ill mother had been turned down for health insurance because of a pre-existing condition, but that the guaranteed-issue clause of Obamacare had gotten her covered and saved her life? With Obama claiming this BEFORE GUARANTEED ISSUE ACTUALLY WENT INTO EFFECT?

It's bullshit, spin and agitprop all the way down.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 11:58 AM (noWW6)

363 FREEZE my brain !

Posted by: Obama's Tonto, Joe Biden at March 28, 2014 11:58 AM (nTgAI)

364

First, spend about a minute skimming or reading this article:

Racism charges roil ethics debate over PUC official

http://tinyurl.com/m2wpnum

Question:

Is this article:

a. Boring.
b. A bit interesting.
c. Pretty weird.
d. Maddening -- but typical in Obama's America.
e. Outrageous and infuriating.
f. I can't answer right now because my head exploded and I hate everything in the universe.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 03:41 PM (mizYg)

OK, it finally loaded. I'll take some of column d, a little of e, and a lot of f.

Posted by: Insomniac at March 28, 2014 11:58 AM (DrWcr)

365 So my takeaway from this is if my freezer full of body parts is ever discovered, I can claim I didn't murder those prostitutes, I merely placed them into a a death-like state of suspended animation.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 28, 2014 11:58 AM (W7ffl)

366 Gawker is literally demanding that Rush Limbaugh and the Koch brothers be arrested and jailed for denying Global Warming.

This is not a parody.

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Lotta stoopid in that article.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (nELVU)

367 That's.... Fronk-n-steen....

Posted by: Guy whose Grandfather was a well known Whacko! at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (84gbM)

368 McCain "I will never ever ever ever as long as I am breathing stop before immigration reform is passed."....................To bad the NVA weren't good at closing.

Posted by: Minnfidel at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (igKtt)

369 Those malcontents must be punished and stopped.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 03:57 PM (ZPrif)

Just change the meme to Obamacare and regurgitate it

Posted by: Obama's Tonto, Joe Biden at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (nTgAI)

370

278 NDE entails more than walking to the light. And people who are unconscious aren't usually using their vision at that time. NDE testimonials are frightening for atheists.

What is more amazing is the uniformity of their testimony regardless of race, origin, sex, faith(no faith) across centuries.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (oDCMR)

371 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 28, 2014 03:57 PM (DmNpO) In The Great Divorce CS Lewis more or less posited that there is no "Hell" but only a form of purgatory from which we can all eventual escape (but that many are unlikely to.)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (HDwDg)

372 so is "Dr." Mark Bearden a doctor of theology? sounds like he is an evangelical of the Doomaby variety

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 11:59 AM (zOTsN)

373

There are a few notable grave sites in New England

There is a headstone in a cemetery in Scituate, MA (up the coast a few towns from Plymouth) from 1624. I know there were other reasons for other people to be all over the place before the Pilgrims, but I like to think that the Puritans were so damn annoying that he had to get out of there in less than 4 years so he could die in peace.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 28, 2014 12:00 PM (JtwS4)

374 The graveyards I used to do rubbings of were mainly the Captain's Cemeteries on the Cape. Not all for Sea Captains, but mainly their families and other notables. Some of the tombstones have dirty/blasphemous limericks, some have curses against the Sea, personal enemies, etc.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 28, 2014 12:00 PM (ZshNr)

375 From Gawker: Willful, profiteering public deniers of climate change can compare themselves to Galileo all they want, pretending that they're voices of sanity in a cruel wilderness. But Galileo had science on his side. He had a telescope aimed at the cosmos. Climate deniers have their heads jammed in the sand... or in a barrel of money. ... If you have all of this information at your command and that reform project still scares you, if you think it necessarily entails a sacrifice of your personal freedom that you cannot brook, fine. That's a debate we can have. But if you are actively trying to deny people the tools they need to inform themselves, to protect themselves against a scientifically proven threat to life and limb, you shouldn't be part of the debate. You should be punished for your self-serving malice.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 28, 2014 12:00 PM (ZPrif)

376 Show of paws, how many here would volunteer to be 'frozen' for 100 hundred years? /raises corn bread crumbed paw

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 12:00 PM (47IEJ)

377 More Bearden: From 2012 "wow.....was doing the cat litter box...luckily it was clean...fell face first in it...could not move for twenty minutes...finally crawled to my nightstand and hit my med alertÂ…found out I had a minor heart attack. Just home from the hospitalÂ…bed rest for the next 48 hours. Please vote Obama out of the white house!!!" SO...yeah I have no clue what the story is with this guy. Trolling Obama?

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 12:00 PM (hFL/3)

378 For anyone interested in the whole NDE debate, my father read a very interesting book on the phenomenon by a neurosurgeon who had his own near death experience.

"Proof of Heaven" by Eben Alexander

Amazon link: http://astore.amazon.com/aoshq-20/detail/1451695195

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 12:01 PM (4df7R)

379 I'm talking about ~~Rush~~Al Gore and his multi-million-dollar ilk in the disinformation business.

http://is.gd/8Kch4i

Posted by: HR at March 28, 2014 12:01 PM (ZKzrr)

380 who encourage the acceleration of an anti-environment course of unregulated consumption and production that, frankly, will screw my son and your children and whatever progeny they manage to have. Says a group who has not problem at all with deficit spending, or the debt? /facepalm

Posted by: Guy whose Grandfather was a well known Whacko! at March 28, 2014 12:01 PM (84gbM)

381 That's serious cooling, man.

Vodka, schnapps and ice, outside in the snow FTW.

Posted by: St. Peter[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 12:01 PM (DL2i+)

382 "Climate change activists are mostly reasonable, rational"

Wait, what? On which planet again are they "reasonable, rational"?

On planet Earth, climate change activists make horribly violent eliminationist-porn video commercials about those nettlesome "deniers" being quite literally blown apart into bloodsoaked gobs of flesh at the push of a button. Remember that gem?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 12:02 PM (noWW6)

383 It is likely, however, that we will awaken to a desolate wasteland. And every empty street will be named obama St. or obama Ave.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Lesbian Outreach Coordinator at March 28, 2014 12:02 PM (47IEJ)

384 He said that his encounter with God was that, in an instant, every good and every bad emotion he had caused, to himself and others, came flooding through him at once. That he had felt the pain he had caused to so many throughout his life. I've thought that that might be what would happen.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 12:02 PM (GXZgZ)

385 Show of paws, how many here would volunteer to be 'frozen' for 100 hundred years? Can I get the Blurred Lines Brunette wake-up service?

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2014 12:03 PM (3j/+H)

386 "SO...yeah I have no clue what the story is with this guy."

It's no big mystery, he's batshit crazy and a pathological liar.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 28, 2014 12:03 PM (IV4od)

387 Gawker is literally demanding that Rush Limbaugh and the Koch brothers be arrested and jailed for denying Global Warming. This is not a parody. -- Lotta stoopid in that article. 1st mistake? Confusing those who are not paid experts with those that are.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 12:03 PM (ndIek)

388 the Mark Bearden guy I found does tent revival sort of preaching and is pro life but did not previously list himself as a doctor but I bet he loves Huckabee

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 12:03 PM (zOTsN)

389 On planet Earth, climate change activists make horribly violent eliminationist-porn video commercials about those nettlesome "deniers" being quite literally blown apart into bloodsoaked gobs of flesh at the push of a button. Remember that gem?

Posted by: torquewrench at March 28, 2014 04:02 PM (noWW6)

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I remember those..... horrifying.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 28, 2014 12:03 PM (nELVU)

390 To an eskimo there's no place like nome.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 12:03 PM (oFCZn)

391 OT: Barky says the problem in Ukraine is Putin doesn't understand Barky's foreign policy. It's worse than that, Barks. He does understand your foreign policy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 28, 2014 12:04 PM (ZpKd+)

392 "It's no big mystery, he's batshit crazy and a pathological liar. " Yeah, that's my thought too.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 12:04 PM (hFL/3)

393 Oh great. Finally a post that I actually have first hand knowledge about and I'm in the other room doing my tax returns for the first 400 comments.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at March 28, 2014 12:04 PM (g4TxM)

394 OK, thanks to everyone who participated in the poll! It looks like the bell curve of the results centered pretty close to answer F. As you exit, each of you will be given a goody bag filled with race cards and frozen corpses.

Posted by: zombie at March 28, 2014 12:04 PM (mizYg)

395 O/T: About darn time the RNC gets in the game:
RNC Chair Demands (And Receives) Apology From Ebony Editor For Attack On African-American Staffer

http://preview.tinyurl.com/k38dkhb

Posted by: Lizzy at March 28, 2014 12:04 PM (udjuE)

396 Thunderb, this is definitely the guy: https://www.facebook.com/mark.d.bearden

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (hFL/3)

397 I've thought that that might be what would happen. *** It sure makes you wonder each time you act rashly or carelessly with someone's emotions.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (DmNpO)

398 Hi, I'm the Pope of a very large religious organization and I just reluctantly signed up for obamacare. I was skeptical at first but now I totally love it! Sincerely, The Pope

Posted by: Francis at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (47IEJ)

399 How to open your, or anyone else's, garage door in just six seconds!

http://youtu.be/kSO_HTBHLFI

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (0AKks)

400 To an eskimo there's no place like nome.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 28, 2014 04:03 PM (oFCZn)

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Juneau where that is???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (nELVU)

401 But if you are actively trying to deny people the tools they need to inform themselves, to protect themselves against a scientifically proven threat to life and limb, you shouldn't be part of the debate. You should be punished for your self-serving malice. Fuck you. But first, you will blow me.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (ndIek)

402 To an eskimo there's no place like nome. That was stupid. I laffed.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 12:05 PM (VhqUZ)

403 It's ok Seamus, half of them are about some not-doctor severe Republican who loves him some Obamacare.

Posted by: Lauren at March 28, 2014 12:06 PM (hFL/3)

404 Would you feel like standing before God without first taking a shower, shaving, brushing your teeth, some pit juice, and Hers? That's kinda what purgatory is all about.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 28, 2014 12:06 PM (8MjqI)

405 I'm thinking Bearden is a starfucker.

Posted by: Bad mother...shut your mouth at March 28, 2014 12:06 PM (1rEgY)

406 Nood about "Staunch Republican" email dude

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Bossy Assault Hobbit (or Beth for short) [/u][/i][/s][/b] at March 28, 2014 12:07 PM (4df7R)

407 Nood up!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 28, 2014 12:08 PM (ndIek)

408 its weird for a Dr he has no linked in or professional cites anywhere on the internet

Posted by: thunderb at March 28, 2014 12:08 PM (zOTsN)

409 It sure makes you wonder each time you act rashly or carelessly with someone's emotions. I'm kind of in deep shit on that score. That replay's gonna last a while.

Posted by: eleven at March 28, 2014 12:08 PM (GXZgZ)

410 Â“I Will Never Ever, Ever, Ever, As Long As IÂ’m Breathing Stop Before Immigration Reform Is PassedÂ”Â…-------John McCain Is this the same as 'build the dang fence.'? OT

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at March 28, 2014 12:08 PM (l3vZN)

411 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 28, 2014 03:39 PM (HDwDg) --------- I think when he was talking about bringing the body temp down to 32 he was talking Celsius not Fahrenheit.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy-Eared Vulcan at March 28, 2014 12:09 PM (q/kmn)

412 377 Everybody knows cat litter'll kill ya

Posted by: NCwoof at March 28, 2014 12:11 PM (aUQgu)

413 I'll give Reince some credit on the Ebony letter. Extremely well crafted. Written in a way Ebony could not ignore.

Though for those in the NSA passing the contents of this blog up the command chain. There's a big difference in dealing with a magazine editor and a rogue diktator

Posted by: phreshone at March 28, 2014 12:11 PM (kFxpe)

414

As you exit, each of you will be given a goody bag filled with race cards and frozen corpses.

Aw, man. I wanted a dog whistle.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at March 28, 2014 12:11 PM (JtwS4)

415 .......to buy time for organ harvesting

Posted by: NCwoof at March 28, 2014 12:12 PM (aUQgu)

416 "He signed all the forms, we can do pretty much what we want with him."

"Lose the arm"

Posted by: West at March 28, 2014 12:16 PM (1Rgee)

417 32 degrees celsius to fahrenheit = 89.6

Posted by: St. Peter[/i][/b][/s] at March 28, 2014 12:17 PM (DL2i+)

418 You know who knows what happens after you die? Dead people. Maybe. Other than that, blah blah blah.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at March 28, 2014 12:28 PM (qyfb5)

419 I don't get it.

Posted by: Schrodinger's Cat at March 28, 2014 12:29 PM (/AHDz)

420 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." e.g. tell me about the scientific theories that make your 'puter, cell phone and tv set, etc, work. If you can't explain those theories, to you, it's magic. Me? If I only had two choices, I'd rather be 'mostly dead' than dead, but I'm weird that way.

Posted by: MrRedNeckParadise at March 28, 2014 12:49 PM (q6kaG)

421 I think I saw this movie, it was called 'Flatliners'. Also, 'House' saved people this way all the time.

Posted by: I believe everything I see on TV at March 28, 2014 02:51 PM (nbGZj)

422 Just got back from AFWorld, and a quick scan of comments doesn't bring this up. I will risk repetition:

The only thing making this a "headline" is gun and knife.
There is no suggestion that this life-saving technique might be used on the victim of an industrial machinery accident, a car crash, or an explosion. Now, once you're in the methodology chat, there's no mention one way or the other -- but, Gun. Knife.

This makes it part of the PR campaign that makes "guns" a "public health" issue. I believe the terms "crisis" and "epidemic" are dusted off from time to time, by CDC grantsmen and Surgeon General candidates. That's all it is, and nothing more.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at March 28, 2014 03:08 PM (xq1UY)

423 Dammit! How can we make sure this treatment is never afforded to those shot in the commission of a crime? If some lowlife comes in my door in the night and I hit him centermass, I want him to STAY down.

Posted by: Dubya Bee at March 28, 2014 05:06 PM (2jlFM)

424 Well, this sucks. Just when I decided I wasn't afraid to die anymore, I find out I might not be dead if I die.
Frickin' progress.

Posted by: rick at March 29, 2014 04:42 AM (snYrg)

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