February 18, 2014

Regrets, I've Had A Few The One: Poll Finds That Seven In Ten Obama Voters Regret Having Voted to Reelect Him in 2012
— Ace

R E T R A C T E D

As AllahPundit explains, this claim is so misleading and twisted as to be not only insupportable, but indefensible.

This entire post is retracted in red-faced error. YouGov is now changing their claim.

I won't ever link them again.

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71%, according to a new Economist/YouGov poll.

However, the poll does not detect much new enthusiasm for Romney, either, because you know he gave a dog a gay haircut and then cancer.

Still, given the choice of Obama versus Romney, Obama supporters said they would stick with their guy, 79 percent to 10 percent for Romney.

But 10% of Obama's 53.5% is about 5.35% of the vote. Would that have turned the election?

As for Romney, his favorable ratings have dropped, but he would edge Obama by about three million votes, probably because Americans are not wowed by Obama's second term performance, not because they like Romney more.

Now, this being politics and political writers needing easy stories, you know what this means: Time for a second third look at Romney? As in Romney 2016?

But in recent weeks, a strange thing has happened: Some supporters and donors, pollsters and pundits are starting to suggest — without irony — that the former Massachusetts governor run for president in 2016.
“Once a month, someone would e-mail or call and say he should run again,” said Ron Kaufman, a longtime Romney adviser. “Now I get it every day — from the grass roots, and from donors. I get it every day.”

Exit question: Is this for real?

Exit answer: No.

Posted by: Ace at 10:24 AM | Comments (382)
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1 firsty?

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at February 18, 2014 10:25 AM (RPDkq)

2 because you know he gave a dog a gay haircut and then cancer. By the insanity of cthulhu, you wait until now to give me a reason to vote for Romney?
It's like I don't even know you anymore!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 10:26 AM (VtjlW)

3 governor romney of california maybe? guy does have residence here now.

Posted by: OK, thanks, bye at February 18, 2014 10:26 AM (RPDkq)

4 Cancerous haircut to a gay dog. Heckofadeal.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 18, 2014 10:26 AM (kVfSG)

5 I don't know if I should be encouraged by this.

Hasn't it long been the position of The Horde that people would NEVER admit regret for re-electing Obama?  Is this admission a positive sign or just a flash in the pan?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 18, 2014 10:27 AM (fwARV)

6 Dudes it's an online poll. 'Nuff said.

Are there some O-bots that regret their vote? Sure. Do 71% of them regret it? That's insane.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 10:27 AM (0LHZx)

7 Poll Finds That Seven In Ten Obama Voters Regret Having Voted to Reelect Him in 2012



Thanks a lot, assholes!



Posted by: EC at February 18, 2014 10:27 AM (GQ8sn)

8 Romney needs to stay gone. The best I can say about him is that he'd make a heck of a Treasury Secretary. That's about as high up the pecking order as I'd put him.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at February 18, 2014 10:27 AM (Lljg2)

9 I'm kinda speechless. A branch of the San Jose Public Library is hosting a public film screening tomorrow as part of a series presented by an academic department at San Jose State University (which is a legitimate college). It's a documentary. Libraries, academic departments, documentaries. Something boring for sure, your mind is thinking. Are you sitting down? Here is the event listing: http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2014/02/05/flyer_-_ahm_film_series_-_sjsu_-_201402_1_1.jpg And -- really, make sure your mouth is empty and you're sitting down -- here is the 2-minute YouTube trailer for the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noFwrMOF2lI I couldn't stop laughing for about ten minutes, but then my laughter turned to tears and I have been weeping ever since, with the realization that these people have more social stuatus, money and power than I do. You want doom? This is doom.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 10:28 AM (+cx5n)

10 Well, Jeb Bush will be aggressively courting Romney to play the role of the elder statesman of the Republican party.

Romney will support Bush, and we will have President Eleanor Holmes Norton.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 18, 2014 10:29 AM (QFxY5)

11 I don't believe most polls just on principal alone, but any poll that registers 100% approve/disapprove I dismiss outright. This one falls into the latter category.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 18, 2014 10:29 AM (32Ze2)

12 The freshness date for Willard has come and gone like Jimmy Fallon's blockbuster ratings.

Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2014 10:29 AM (rV80K)

13 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at February 18, 2014 10:30 AM (Q6pxP)

14 I heard that Romney didn't even have a Barbers' License when he gave that gay dog a haircut and cancer.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 18, 2014 10:30 AM (W7ffl)

15 Mitt is not a war time consigliere

Posted by: Michael Corleone at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (Q6pxP)

16 I would take Romney over Obama any day of the week.  I was one of those that thought Perry should have gotten the nomination (competent and conservative), but felt that Romney wasn't a bad choice.  He was definitely competent and he wouldn't be evil.

In comparison to the current occupant of the White House the man would look like a genius.

Posted by: Mordineus at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (DOz2Z)

17 Kennel Up! America - Romney 2016

Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (hyOIR)

18 Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:28 PM (+cx5n)

"Africoid?"

That's a word?

And you made all of this up. This cannot possibly be real.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (QFxY5)

19

I heard that Romney didn't even have a Barbers' License when he gave that gay dog a haircut and cancer.

 

And his Cancer License had expired.

Posted by: Cancer License Inspector at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (A0sHn)

20 From what his son said, he didn't really want to be President the last time he ran.

Please, Mitt, stay home. Make some money. Chair a few meetings somewhere. Let someone who wants the job run for it.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (LSDdO)

21 I hear ya on "online poll," but it's not an online poll like most bullshit "Freep this poll" polls are. I think it's an attempt to use the internet for polling, with actual methodology. Now, there's a big question as to whether it is anything like accurate, but it's not the same as someone just putting up their own "poll."

Posted by: ace at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (/FnUH)

22 Romney does not want to run. He won't. As far as those that would still pick JEF over Romney, unbelievable.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:31 AM (IXrOn)

23 Yeah right. And, after receiving a brand new set of promises the same dickweeds will vote for the next liberty thief Democrats put up as a candidate.

Then when the country collapses they will say "oops- did I do that?- Sorry."

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:32 AM (GGCsk)

24 I heard that Romney didn't even have a Barbers' License when he gave that gay dog a haircut and cancer. Posted by: mugiwara at February 18, 2014 02:30 PM (W7ffl) __________________ What's a Barber?

Posted by: Teh Ghey Cosmetologist at February 18, 2014 10:32 AM (32Ze2)

25 quick OT for the soccer fans Lionel. On shortly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:33 AM (IXrOn)

26 HOW could these people give up on our Dear Leader?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at February 18, 2014 10:33 AM (Q6pxP)

27 Yeah right. And, after receiving a brand new set of promises the same dickweeds will vote for the next liberty thief Democrats put up as a candidate.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 02:32 PM (GGCsk)

I still haven't decided if I think Obama's going to run again.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 18, 2014 10:33 AM (fwARV)

28 there's a big question as to whether it is anything like accurate, but it's not the same as someone just putting up their own "poll." Check ur Phone.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at February 18, 2014 10:33 AM (hyOIR)

29 In before the Dick jokes......

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 18, 2014 10:34 AM (32Ze2)

30 Let me tweet you a look at my latest 'pole'

Posted by: Danger, Carlos Danger - Agent Double O Naught at February 18, 2014 10:34 AM (Q6pxP)

31

For the last time,

In 2008 we had the Maverick, the media darling moderate compromiser.

 

In 2012, we had the most moderate milque toast GOP candidate ever.

 

It's time for a different path GOP.  Either get on board or get the fuck out of the way.

 

I worked for Romney, we all voted for him.  If he had won we would have Paul "Amnesty Now Mofos" Ryan for VP.

 

Tell me again what the fuck we are voting for?

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:34 AM (tVTLU)

32

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:28 PM (+cx5n)


Gotta remember not to drink anything while at the HQ. I was reading that flyer and got to the bottom: "For more information contact Akubundu at..."


And that boys and girls is how we ruin computer monitors.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 18, 2014 10:34 AM (W7ffl)

33 We want a do-over!

When do we want it?

Now!!!1!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 18, 2014 10:34 AM (Z7PrM)

34 Check ur Phone.

Posted by: Carlos Danger at February 18, 2014 02:33 PM (hyOIR)

29In before the Dick jokes......  Sooooo close!

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (A0sHn)

35 But the same people will vote for Hillary! because of first woman president.

Posted by: Abe Frohman at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (/Mla1)

36 But in recent weeks, a strange thing has happened: Some supporters and donors, pollsters and pundits are starting to suggest — without irony — that the former Massachusetts governor run for president in 2016. I think this corresponds with a certain New Jersey fatass getting caught acting like a corrupt moron. The establishment is now sputtering in total lunacy to find a moderate. How else could Mitt or Jeb be suggested with a straight face?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (ytax8)

37 "Africoid?" That's a word? And you made all of this up. This cannot possibly be real. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo Only a racist like you denies the reality of the word Africoid. And sadly, yes, it is real. When you get an advanced degree in African-American Studies, these are the types of films shown in class.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (+cx5n)

38 I still haven't decided if I think Obama's going to run again. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 18, 2014 02:33 PM (fwARV) _________________ Run? Ummmmmmmmmmm.... I am Preznit. I, ahhhhhhhh, can do what I want.

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (32Ze2)

39 I hear ya on "online poll," but it's not an online poll like most bullshit "Freep this poll" polls are. I think it's an attempt to use the internet for polling, with actual methodology. Now, there's a big question as to whether it is anything like accurate, but it's not the same as someone just putting up their own "poll." Posted by: ace at February 18, 2014 02:31 PM (/FnUH) How? I'm not being snarky, since Knowing Stuff Is Awesome, how is it possible to use the internet for polling with actual methodology?
Since I don't code, the only thing I could come up with after a whole second's consideration is sending the link to the poll to a preselected set of potential polling victims participants but even then how would you be able to ensure proper weighting? That's a serious question, by the by.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (VtjlW)

40 Anybody who would still choose Obama, and his rank incompetence, over Romney needs to be sent to the camps,

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (P1WNR)

41 Frankly, I think the mindset being displayed again is the only relevant point.

People want to vote for someone- not against the other guy.

Ultimately, Romney ran as the anti-Obama. That is a loser every time.

You need bold, shiny, signature ideas that resonate with people to win. Not just a sign with an arrow pointing to the other guy that read "He Sucks--->"

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (GGCsk)

42 I thought Romney strapped a gay with cancer to the roof of his car?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 18, 2014 10:35 AM (0MVzQ)

43 he gave a dog a gay haircut and then cancer. ****************** I forget--who did Romney strap to the roof of his car then?

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:36 AM (RJMhd)

44 They should make the Women's Bobsledders apply make-up on the way down the track.

Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2014 10:36 AM (hyOIR)

45 Hindsight is ruining the country.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:36 AM (IXrOn)

46 Y'all could have done us a big favor by electing Mitt.  That house in Hawaii has the biggest closet you've ever seen

Posted by: Reggie Love at February 18, 2014 10:36 AM (Q6pxP)

47 Exit question: Is this for real? Exit answer: No. ********* I think it's real. Romney goes for it.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:36 AM (RJMhd)

48 Obama... the coyote ugly of politics.

Posted by: Hate Miser at February 18, 2014 10:37 AM (kHyGq)

49 Gotta remember not to drink anything while at the HQ. I was reading that flyer and got to the bottom: "For more information contact Akubundu at..." And that boys and girls is how we ruin computer monitors. Posted by: mugiwara Did you not read my explicit warning? : "make sure your mouth is empty and you're sitting down". I was not kidding about that. You get no reimbursement for your monitor.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 10:37 AM (+cx5n)

50 It's a little late for buyer's remorse. They should have gotten that out of their system in 2012.

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 10:37 AM (RD7QR)

51 I had Africoid for Commodore 64.  It was like Asteroid, but with pixelated Arsenio Hall heads.

Posted by: Abe Frohman at February 18, 2014 10:37 AM (/Mla1)

52 How? I'm not being snarky, since Knowing Stuff Is Awesome, how is it possible to use the internet for polling with actual methodology? ************ Wait a second.... one of us actually read closely enough to figure out-- it's an online poll?

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (RJMhd)

53 I read this poll differently... Its an indictment of BOTH parties in control of the two party system. When 1/3 of the electorate does not belong to either party... And a Majority of those who voted last election wishes they had OTHER choices?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (84gbM)

54 For what it's worth, my irredeemably liberal sister-in-law had an "Old White Women for Obama" bumper sticker on her car for the 2008 election.  Before 2012, she bought a new car and *neglected* to apply a new Obama bumper sticker.  (Got a PP sticker on it, tho)

Posted by: Mindy at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (mQwL2)

55 Very much looking forward to the Romney-McCain throwdown in 2016. Toss in Christie and Jeb and it's a veritable orgy of conservative/tea party hate.

Posted by: Duke at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (d3clc)

56 7 in 10 have regrets? Obviously an affect of the polar vortex. Once the weather gets warmer, there will be a release of pent up demand for Obama speeches

Posted by: CNBC at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (wsLRF)

57 Oh, that Google Glass clone in the sidebar is what I like to call ... bullshit. As in, it doesn't fucking work. They mocked up a design and made a kickstarter video to get money. Their video doesn't explain, at all, how the mechanism actually works. Their idea for How To Show You Stuff Without a Bulky Google Glass Thing In The Way is ... to show you stuff without a bulky google glass thing in the way. Kinda like my idea for Flying Car is to take a regular car and make it so it can fly -- please give me a million dollars so I can make my invention a reality. Here's a video of my Flying Car invention. You'll notice it looks like a regular car but it can fly. My plan is that I will take a regular car and make it so it can fly. This will require a lot of technology. That's where you come in. Please give me money for my amazing invention. I also have an idea for Hoverboard like in Back to the Future. My plan involves taking a regular skateboard and, using technology, making it hover. I've invented a lot of amazing things. I've made the drawings and videos and everything ... all that's left is the technology part.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (ZPrif)

58 agreed with everyone here: Mitt doesn't want to run again... man didn't want to run in 2012, just felt he had to.

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.

Posted by: Mordineus at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (DOz2Z)

59 Obama conducted himself in a way to guarantee that lots of bad info would not come out prior to election day. Various state of the economy stats, Benghazi, IRS, etc.

If he knew the election was to occur on March 1, he (and his media sycophants) would have just changed the timing on his lies, and this poll would have been coming out in June instead.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 18, 2014 10:38 AM (IN7k+)

60 You need bold, shiny, signature ideas that resonate with people to win. Not just a sign with an arrow pointing to the other guy that read "He Sucks--->" Mitt didn't run a negative campaign. He ran an 'it's the economy, stupid' campaign. Which failed, bevause saying things are bad without saying the other guy sucks doesn't work.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 18, 2014 10:39 AM (ytax8)

61 As far as those that would still pick JEF over Romney, unbelievable.

Think long and hard about that.  To anyone who still thinks Romney was a crap candidate.  It's not because Romney didn't sell conservatism or attack Obama enough.  The media put the "generic evil bankster Republican" costume on him, and the lefties believe it.

They will do that for any Republican candidate.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:39 AM (WhJf8)

62 It's a cult of "us" versus "them." Not much will change in the voting habits. Only the "swing" voters. And, I have no idea how big that pool has grown, or shrunk against the proportion of bought off Dem voters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:39 AM (IXrOn)

63 No.  Mitt was the guy who bound the gay dog to the woman with cancer on the roof of the corporate jet in order to cheat on his taxes

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 18, 2014 10:39 AM (Q6pxP)

64 I think sis-in-law's issue with Obama is that he's making it look like expanding government doesn't work very well.

Posted by: Mindy at February 18, 2014 10:39 AM (mQwL2)

65 Does this portend a massive tsunami of micro aggression will soon ripple across the fruited plain?

Posted by: Angel with a sword at February 18, 2014 10:40 AM (hpgw1)

66 but it's not the same as someone just putting up their own "poll." Posted by: ace at February 18, 2014 02:31 PM (/FnUH) ************* Come on--someone take the shot!

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:40 AM (RJMhd)

67

Bonhomme:

 

Perhaps we need to run someone who didn't run hedge funds.  A middle class guy with middle class roots who did very well for himself.  Hmmm, when was the last time we had such a candidate???  Reagan.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (tVTLU)

68 I hate tech journalism. Tech News @cnet: Icis: It's like Google Glass, but classy: The makers of a new nose-perched wearable device sa... http://bit.ly/1h2190R Reality. Icis: It's like Google Glass, except it doesn't actually exist. They made a video though!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (ZPrif)

69 Romney Part Deux? No. Anyone who couldn't defeat this jug eared failure with 7% unemployment doesn't get a second chance.

Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (QupBk)

70 You know what? Fuck them. They know that their guy sucks balls, but they don't want to vote for a decent, honest man because "ewww Republican." What a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (hFL/3)

71 I thought you were always high.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (36Rjy)

72 21 I hear ya on "online poll," but it's not an online poll like most bullshit "Freep this poll" polls are. I think it's an attempt to use the internet for polling, with actual methodology.

Now, there's a big question as to whether it is anything like accurate, but it's not the same as someone just putting up their own "poll."

Posted by: ace at February 18, 2014 02:31 PM (/FnUH)


_________


No it's not. But any online poll is going to be suspect because they respondents are self selected. People who go to yougov to answer polls are political types. They don't represent the typical American voter.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (0LHZx)

73 And yet Republicans still want to run the same, tired, old Obama-lites.

These people are largely begging for something different, bold and unrelenting. And in return Republicans give them a new version of Snagglepuss.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:41 AM (GGCsk)

74 Wait a second.... one of us actually read closely enough to figure out-- it's an online poll? Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 02:38 PM (RJMhd) ace did it! Not me! I did not violate the Moron Way by reading either the post or clicking on the links!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (VtjlW)

75 "I hate everything these New Democrats stand for! They're all dirty socialists! But I'm not going to do anything crazy like vote for a Repuke..."

Posted by: Bigby's Germy Hands at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (KgN8K)

76 My question is: How did they track down all the bums, dead people, illegal aliens and SEIU members (i.e. the "people" who "voted" for Obama multiple times in the first place) to register their level of disappointment?

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (+cx5n)

77 why do i have this odd thought, the bots are disappointed they are getting what they wanted fast and hard enough?

Posted by: willow at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (nqBYe)

78 The word from 30 Rock is that Willard refused to do the Humpty Dance unless Conan joined the festivities.

Fresh, indeed.

Posted by: Fritz at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (rV80K)

79 The damn Canadians are laying low--aren't they? That's why the threads are slower.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (RJMhd)

80 On topic: at this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 10:42 AM (36Rjy)

81 The damn Canadians are laying low--aren't they?

That's why the threads are slower.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 02:42 PM (RJMhd)



*peeks from spider hole*



Posted by: EC at February 18, 2014 10:43 AM (GQ8sn)

82

Anyone who couldn't defeat this jug eared failure ...

 

 

The F is for failure?  Oh.  I must not be a nice person.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 18, 2014 10:43 AM (A0sHn)

83 7 in 10 have regrets? Obviously an affect of the polar vortex.
===
Polar vortex?  Pretty close.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 10:43 AM (JBggj)

84 How else could Mitt or Jeb be suggested with a straight face?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 18, 2014 02:35 PM (ytax

 

I couldn't take the idea of Jeb Bush as President with a straight face before Christie was caught...being Christie.

 

I mean, come on, really? Jeb Bush?  The former governor of Florida with a middling record, utter lack of charisma, and not a single idea anyone can recall? What GOP Establishment mastermind thinks this soft, squishy pillar of mediocrity has the stones to take on Hillary?

 

Well, I understand he does speak Spanish, so there's that.

Posted by: troyriser at February 18, 2014 10:43 AM (V9ol4)

85 If Romney ran again the MSM would demonize him again and the people would once again elect whomever he is running against because is seems the masses truly are sheep.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (4Chvm)

86 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 02:35 PM (VtjlW) People being polled have to self identify.... there is no way around it. However, once that identification is done, you could send email to people based on their previous self identification. ie... heres my list of Liberals... send x amount of emails to them.... x amount to Conservaitves... x amount to male vice female conservatives... And periodically, you check their self identification by asking them baseline questions...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (84gbM)

87 Racist microaggression all up in here.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (0MVzQ)

88 I don't buy this either. So, many supporters are only now understanding who and what he is? BS.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (gOoFi)

89 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (PYAXX)

90 All these "people" who have regrets? Fuck em. I hope they drop dead and die painfully. Now that's just me and I am a vindictive little fuck. Anyway they are to stupid to live and reproduce

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (t3UFN)

91 Exit question after exit question is Allah's most annoying writing tic: I find it funny ace added an exit answer as kind of a friendly jab.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (P1WNR)

92 Don't those two results tell you everything you need to know about the fucking MORONs that vote in this country ? A full 71%, having seen the sequel, now regret giving him one. And yet, 79% would STILL not vote for the alternative. Is that NOT the definition of insanity ?! Seriously, WTF ?

Posted by: deadrody at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (b2D8X)

93 Perhaps we need to run someone who didn't run hedge funds. A middle class guy with middle class roots who did very well for himself.

In which case they will paint him as a moron (go-to for lefties).  They will further paint him as someone who hugs big business nuts because he wants to be just like them.  He is a traitor to the working-class now that he's got his.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:44 AM (IoTdl)

94 >>>As far as those that would still pick JEF over Romney, unbelievable.

Think long and hard about that. To anyone who still thinks Romney was a crap candidate. It's not because Romney didn't sell conservatism or attack Obama enough. The media put the "generic evil bankster Republican" costume on him, and the lefties believe it.

They will do that for any Republican candidate.

Yes, they will. That is why we need a candidate who is willing (and able!) to stand toe to toe with them and duke it out. Romney was not that guy.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (IN7k+)

95  it's not the polar vortex. It's caused by the Jet Stream, which has moved south because of Global Worming, WINGNUTS! Suck it!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein of Brattleboro, Nueva Leon at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (kwc/t)

96 Posted by: troyriser at February 18, 2014 02:43 PM (V9ol4) And would come with ALL the Bush name recognition baggage.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (84gbM)

97 Romney was the one major Republican candidate Obama could beat. The State Media/Democrats selected him well.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (M3hAT)

98 I was one of those that thought Perry should have gotten the nomination (competent and conservative) But, but, but...GARDASIL!!!!

Posted by: Michelle the Shrieking Harpy Malkin at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (7ObY1)

99 Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:28 PM (+cx5n)


The proper response to this nonsense is read Not out of Africa by a person whose name I am too lazy to Google. Excellent book by a noted scholar that demolishes most of the Africa Invented Everything Movement's claims.

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (RD7QR)

100 They should make the Women's Bobsledders apply make-up on the way down the track. Farding in your sled is strictly forbidden.

Posted by: toby928© at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (QupBk)

101 Just because he didn't get elected in his first go around shouldn't stop him from another run!  I made it happen, and my corpse would do better than the SCOAMF you've got in office right now.

Posted by: Richard Nixon at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (1tWyc)

102 Ahem. Excuse me.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 18, 2014 10:45 AM (kwc/t)

103 81 The damn Canadians are laying low--aren't they? That's why the threads are slower. Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 02:42 PM (RJMhd) *peeks from spider hole* Posted by: EC at February 18, 2014 02:43 PM (GQ8sn) ************** LOL! I have a list you know....

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:46 AM (RJMhd)

104 Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 02:35 PM (GGCsk)

Or worse a sign that says "I suck less than him" with an arrow pointing at your opponent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Microaggressive SoCon) at February 18, 2014 10:46 AM (LSDdO)

105 300 million people in this country and yet we have to constantly elect someone named Clinton or Bush?

You know, because nobody else can do that job- right?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:46 AM (GGCsk)

106 I couldn't stop laughing for about ten minutes, but then my laughter turned to tears and I have been weeping ever since, with the realization that these people have more social stuatus, money and power than I do. You want doom? This is doom. Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:28 PM (+cx5n Jesus Christ!<----not in vain. He's our only hope.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 10:46 AM (36Rjy)

107 Perhaps we need to run someone who didn't run hedge funds. A middle class guy with middle class roots who did very well for himself. That worked out real well with La Palin.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 10:46 AM (7ObY1)

108

Bonhomme:

 

Well let's just give up then and call it a day.  Fuck the media and fuck the democrats.  We are the party of the working man.  They are the party of the illegal immigrants.  They've had the reins for 8 yrs now and the middle class has been decimated.

 

Media can spin all they want, they can't change the facts of life which is affecting everyone.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (tVTLU)

109 The proper response to this nonsense is read Not out of Africa by a person whose name I am too lazy to Google. Excellent book by a noted scholar that demolishes most of the Africa Invented Everything Movement's claims. Posted by: joncelli I think a simpler proper response is to simply have a brain. That shit is so out-of-bounds it doesn't even merit debunking.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (+cx5n)

110 Someone is pushing for a fight between Mittens and the Fat Man.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (DQZLr)

111 300 million people in this country and yet we have to constantly elect someone named Clinton or Bush?
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There's a young lady in Alaska ...

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (JBggj)

112 Perhaps we need to run a middle class guy with middle class roots... --- Does this mean we have to talk about Sarah Palin again? :/

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (XMUOA)

113 18 Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:28 PM (+cx5n) "Africoid?" That's a word? And you made all of this up. This cannot possibly be real. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 18, 2014 02:31 PM (QFxY5) Heard this sort of talk decades ago.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (36Rjy)

114 Is that NOT the definition of insanity ?! Seriously, WTF ? Posted by: deadrody at February 18, 2014 02:44 PM (b2D8X) which is exactly why the Founders did NOT making voting either Universal, or a RIGHT. The did not WANT a Democracy.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (84gbM)

115 Yes, they will. That is why we need a candidate who is willing (and able!) to stand toe to toe with them and duke it out. Romney was not that guy.

I'd like to see that.  I still have strong doubts these morons would buy it.

"He's so mean" was a huge part of why lefties hated Romney.  Romney!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:47 AM (IoTdl)

116

Was anyone here excited to vote FOR Romney?

 

Or was the motivation to get SCOAMF out of office?

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (tVTLU)

117 The media put the "generic evil bankster Republican" costume on him, and the lefties believe it. They will do that for any Republican candidate. *** True, but this attack was made for Romney and the left prepared it since at 2010. The take away from 2012 should be no more mushy left wing technocrats to lead the Republican ticket.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (M3hAT)

118 It's not because Romney didn't sell conservatism or attack Obama enough. The media put the "generic evil bankster Republican" costume on him, and the lefties believe it.

They will do that for any Republican candidate.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 18, 2014 02:39 PM (WhJf



To give Romney credit, during the first debate he gave the best defense of free market principles I've heard since Reagan.  Unfortunately he lost his shit after that and turned into what I was afraid he'd be.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (hylEe)

119 So, 7 in 10 regret supporting Obama's reelection, but only 1 in 10 would change to supporting Romney. But, Romney was our "electable" candidate? Something seriously wrong with this picture.

Posted by: gm at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (/kBoL)

120 Don't hate me because I used to be fabulous before my fur fell out.

Posted by: Cancer Dog with Gay Haircut at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (S0eIZ)

121 Is that NOT the definition of insanity ?! Seriously, WTF ? Posted by: deadrody at February 18, 2014 02:44 PM (b2D8X) They haven't felt enough serious pain yet. Honestly. Only when there is no milk to buy.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (IXrOn)

122 #99 The proper response to this nonsense is read Not out of Africa by a person whose name I am too lazy to Google. Mary Lefkowitz That explains it. It's a Jooooo plot. (actually, that was the first I'd heard of this book. Now I want to read it.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 10:48 AM (7ObY1)

123 The Republican primary is going to be a free for all. Cue up that Ted Nugent song. It's going to get u-g-l-y.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:49 AM (RJMhd)

124 Jesus Christ!<----not in vain. He's our only hope. Posted by: baldilocks Yeah, but as the guy in the film says: "The letter J was not even invented until the 16th century, so Jesus is not his real name!"

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 10:49 AM (+cx5n)

125 >>>To give Romney credit, during the first debate he gave the best defense of free market principles I've heard since Reagan. Unfortunately he lost his shit after that and turned into what I was afraid he'd be. Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2014 02:48 PM (hylEe) >>> Yeah. Right, you are.

Posted by: gm at February 18, 2014 10:49 AM (/kBoL)

126 Romney might win if he actually gave people A Reason to vote for him. But this poll is bullshit, and I'll tell you why: If 7/10 "regretted" their obama vote, it would reflect in his approvals, which have been steady since 2010. There is not a hint of obama-fatigue in this country. If he ran again, illegally, in '16, he'd win.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2014 10:49 AM (rLVhf)

127 It's going to get u-g-l-y. Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 02:49 PM (RJMhd) And what do you call the last 5 1/2 years?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 10:49 AM (t3UFN)

128

Jenny:

 

Sarah Palin is hot.  And that accent drives you nuts.  GOP needs to realize that they need to image control.  Of course she was such an easy target for the leftists.

 

Ted Cruz, not so much.  Scott Walker, not so much.  Rand Paul, not so much.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (tVTLU)

129 Honestly. Only when there is no milk to buy. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 02:48 PM (IXrOn) This is why I want my family farm working again. When there's no milk to buy, there will still be cows to milk. And the government will take them over my dead body.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (PYAXX)

130 I hereby announce my bid for the Republican nomination for the presidency.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham (R'ish, SC) at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (yFb77)

131 Was anyone here excited to vote FOR Romney?

Or was the motivation to get SCOAMF out of office?

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 02:48 PM (tVTLU)



Not me; yes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (hylEe)

132 How about someone that actually has run a state- which they haven't run into the ground or used as some kind of grand social experiment?

Ya know, just for starters.

One might theorize that any governor who has done a decent job economically with their state in the last  years would be a good candidate.

As opposed to, say, someone who got the first American Ambassador murdered since Carter or designed the original "Obamacare" system and failed at it.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (GGCsk)

133 Well let's just give up then and call it a day.

Yeah, I don't want to do that, but I am very dispirited. 

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (IoTdl)

134 That worked out real well with La Palin. *** The only time McCain ran ahead of Obama was when he was letting Palin do her thing. Which you'll note is similiar to what Bush 43 did to Kerry and Gore, what Bush 41 did to Dukakis (but not Clinton) and what Reagan did both times. Namely...don't let the State Media determine the battle space.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (M3hAT)

135 And if we HAD elected Romney? Bet the Repubs would have 'fixed' Obamacare... (but it would still be a disaster)... because we would have had someone semi competent running this Government Reach for Power... And we'd have Amnesty by now.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (84gbM)

136 "Honestly. Only when there is no milk to buy." You misspelled "booze".

Posted by: Lauren at February 18, 2014 10:50 AM (hFL/3)

137 If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 10:51 AM (JBggj)

138 >>Was anyone here excited to vote FOR Romney? <<

Does it count that I pulled the lever with my johnson...only because I didn't want to leave fingerprints.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:51 AM (GGCsk)

139 If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016. Nope. Next.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 10:51 AM (659DL)

140 Obama did say he wanted a civilian force as well equipped, as well funded, as strong as the US Military, and we all wondered what he was talking about. 

Maybe if we could just find out where to sign up we could get healthcare.

Posted by: Memory man remembers at February 18, 2014 10:51 AM (cteqn)

141 Why not run Romney in 2016, Karl Rove stated as much yesterday on Fox that the GOP would bring a water pistol to an AK47 fight against Hillary Why not run a guy who's experienced in losing at "Fizzbin"

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (aTXUx)

142 Romney could always change his name. Worked out for Barry Soetoro, didn't it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (IXrOn)

143 But continue your caterwauling over Mitt Romney. We have a trillions of serious problems, but yeah, let's worry about Mitt Romney. hillary clinton is your next president...until 2025. Worry about that instead. Or, maybe even Howard Dean.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (rLVhf)

144 If you open up the bedside drawer in a hotel room, you’ll likely find a bible. But starting on March 1, the Iowa State University’s Hotel Memorial Union will be removing these bibles from its guest rooms. The decision came after a guest complained to the Freedom From Religion Foundation about the “unwelcome religious propaganda in the bedside table.” “Personally I don’t think they’re really forcing anything on anybody,” said Iowa State University student Will Determan. But the FFRF disagreed. According to its staff attorney, providing one religious text over another is an illegal endorsement by the state-run university. The hotel plans on moving the bibles downstairs to the browsing library. While the library has limited hours, the hotel’s 24-hour front desk is able to unlock the room if a guest makes a request. ???? Forget the Lawyers, we have to kill all the educators first

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (t3UFN)

145 I think a simpler proper response is to simply have a brain. That shit is so out-of-bounds it doesn't even merit debunking.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:47 PM (+cx5n)


I used to think that but then the Truther Movement sprang up. It turns out that conspiracy theories are like a cognitive cockroach and need to be stomped whenever they pop up, no matter how seemingly ludicrous.

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (RD7QR)

146 137 If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016. Sigh. Go look at her poll numbers. Among Republicans. I'll wait.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (7ObY1)

147 Heard this sort of talk decades ago.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 02:47 PM (36Rjy)

Yup...I was sort of yanking zombie's chain. I lived in the Bay Area for 20 years. I am all too familiar with this stuff.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (QFxY5)

148 What is really going to suck is when we lose to fucking Biden.

Posted by: RWC- at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (fWAjv)

149

Capt. Hate:

 

Absolutely, me too.  I wanted to believe, I remember watching the rally in Colo. and thinking it could happen.  But, at bottom, I wasn't excited FOR him, I was excited to get rid of this fucking idiot.  I was excited for GWB's first election.  Why, because he sold himself as a Reagan conservative.

 

Romeo13:

 

Hits nail on head.  No shit.  Just WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE WE VOTING FOR??  Amnesty, more big govt shit???  No thanks.  Never again.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:52 AM (tVTLU)

150 Spoke to (probably typical) Obama supporter before 2008 election.  Gave specific reasons I opposed Obama -- things he did and things he said that I felt made him a poor choice for Pres.  Obamabot said Obama never said/did those things.  I sent Obamabot video of Obama saying/doing those things.  Obamabot's email response:  "Imagine" -- reference to Lennon song.  Because the possibilities of who Obama could be trumped reality.

Posted by: Mindy at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (mQwL2)

151 How about we dump every person that has ever run or served in the federal government for starters.

That's my starting point.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (GGCsk)

152 I still think Christine O'Donnell has a comeback in her in Delaware.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (P1WNR)

153 Why not run a guy who's experienced in losing at "Fizzbin"

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (IoTdl)

154 Nope. Next. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 02:51 PM (659DL) Okay. What's next?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (iU3DF)

155 The only time McCain ran ahead of Obama was when he was letting Palin do her thing. Post-convention bounce. No Republican ticket could have won in 2008. Now, 2012 was a different story. Romeny ran an astoundingly timid and awful campaign.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (659DL)

156 But, Romney was our "electable" candidate? Something seriously wrong with this picture. The Republican leadership would rather lose and stay at the trough then win and have to roll back the Leviathan they want to control. And that is why they wanted both McCain and Romney...and either Jeb or Chrispy..

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 10:53 AM (M3hAT)

157
How? I'm not being snarky, since Knowing Stuff Is Awesome, how is it possible to use the internet for polling with actual methodology?

I took some statistics and you would need an expert, but if 500 people at random can give plus/minus 95% within 2 deviations, there must be a number at which can give you the same of self selected participants.*

I suspect it is pretty huge like 5 or 50 million.

*if everybody who voted last time also self selected a survey, you would have 100% confidence at no deviation.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2014 10:54 AM (n0DEs)

158 "And what do you call the last 5 1/2 years?"

The preliminaries. The main event fight card hasn't come up yet. Everyone is still getting taped up.

Posted by: Memory man remembers at February 18, 2014 10:54 AM (cteqn)

159 Sigh. Go look at her poll numbers. Among Republicans. I'll wait. Posted by: BlueStateRebel
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It doesn't matter what the poll numbers are now.  It matters where the poll numbers will be in November 2014.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 10:54 AM (JBggj)

160 I thought Romney strapped a gay with cancer to the roof of his car?

Posted by: DangerGirl and her Sanity Prod (tm) at February 18, 2014 02:35 PM (0MVzQ)


And he took away his tampons!

Posted by: Country Singer at February 18, 2014 10:54 AM (L8r/r)

161 The media will demonize anyone we put up. They'll magnify any little flaw If Obama was a Republican then every late night show and comedy show would have an Obama impersonator with a giant baseball sized wart on his face where Obama has that growth. It would just be this gross, diseased ... thing .. on his face. They'd have skits about foreign dignitaries trying not to notice this huge, monstrosity while they talk to him. It would get in the way of him drinking from a wine glass.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

162 Rand Paul, not so much. Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 02:50 PM (tVTLU) random thought: I wish Rand Paul was taller.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 10:54 AM (IXrOn)

163 C'mon Sarah Palin- really?

Nice lady. Seriously. But geez- have we learned anything.

We need a fresh face to run.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (GGCsk)

164

I took a one-person poll of an Obama voter.  Well-educated, fairly decent, deeply religious guy.  He told me he regretted voting for Obama right away, but felt he didn't have a choice.

 

Romney was not the answer, and never would have been, for people like this, who feel the need to believe they're good, decent people, and  would never ever consider being  identified with the mean Republicans. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (TOk1P)

165
"Romney 2016"




He must be running -- I saw him on the Olympics last night.

He had strapped 2 pairs of ice skates to the hooves of his magic dancing horsie and was Salchowing around the streets of Sochi.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (kdS6q)

166 Okay. What's next? Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 18, 2014 02:53 PM (iU3DF) Pick three things and run on them. The problem with Palin is that she would become the one and only thing. We want an election of ideas and not a personality. Idea people (and no, not all are perfect): Paul, Walker, and Jindal.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (659DL)

167

Bonhomme:

 

Don't get too down.  Think of it this way.  Now there is an INDEPENDENT media where facts do get out.  Dems had monopoly on media for 50 frigging years.

 

The war is on.  First we take the party back.  Then we take the country.  All this is necessary.  I truly believe we have the chance to finish what Reagan started.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (tVTLU)

168 "Nope. Next..." Yup. The next GOP candidate may not be in the discussion yet. Seems like everyone mentioned is a failed retread. Recipes for success they are, I know.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (gOoFi)

169 Contrary to his claims that the oceans would recede, a good portion of south eastern England is under water, so we can assume he's lost some of his base "Non-American" support.

Posted by: CNBC at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (wsLRF)

170 Post-convention bounce. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 02:53 PM (659DL) Bullshit. They were polling even to 3-4 points ahead until the economic numbers started to crash. That's what won 2008 for King Putt.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 18, 2014 10:55 AM (iU3DF)

171 It doesn't matter what the poll numbers are now. It matters where the poll numbers will be in November 2014.

Nobody can know the future, so run anyone!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (IoTdl)

172 We have a trillions of serious problems, but yeah, let's worry about Mitt Romney.

hillary clinton is your next president...until 2025. Worry about that instead. Or, maybe even Howard Dean.

Posted by: soothsayer

Avoiding Romney as the next candidate couldn't possibly be part of avoiding Clinton/Dean? Possibly? Just a little?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (Yp6Vn)

173 No Republican ticket could have won in 2008. *** Meh, hammer Obama's allies for the financial melt down and explain why THEY are responsible for where we were...and win. But that would necessitate coming up with a plan to at least roll back a little of Leviathan...and McCain didn't want to do that...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (M3hAT)

174 I thought Romney strapped a gay with cancer to the roof of his car --- And then he put her in a binder!

Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (XMUOA)

175

163 -

 

Hah!  You want fresh?  I got fresh.  As fresh as you'll ever get from the Republicans, buster. 

Posted by: Jeb at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (TOk1P)

176

'Ette,

 

What's his height?

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (tVTLU)

177 71%, holy shit. Obama, The Un-Precedented, you've really outdone yourself this time!

Posted by: t-bird at February 18, 2014 10:56 AM (FcR7P)

178 Don't tell Lacey, but I had Huevos Rancheros for lunch.

Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2014 10:57 AM (hyOIR)

179 I would be thrilled to vote for Palin, but I don't think she's our best possible candidate.

It would be worth it just to watch lefty heads explode.

Posted by: Mindy at February 18, 2014 10:57 AM (mQwL2)

180 Nobody can know the future, so run anyone!
Posted by: bonhomme
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All are welcome!  All are welcome!

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 10:57 AM (JBggj)

181 6 Dudes it's an online poll. 'Nuff said. Are there some O-bots that regret their vote? Sure. Do 71% of them regret it? That's insane. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 02:27 PM (0LHZx) On this I agree with you. I have no doubt that some people freeped that poll.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 10:57 AM (bb5+k)

182 The media will demonize anyone we put up. They'll magnify any little flaw

If the previous two election cycles are any indication, so will we on this very blog.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 18, 2014 10:57 AM (SY2Kh)

183 >>>Pick three things and run on them. The problem with Palin is that she would become the one and only thing. We want an election of ideas and not a personality.

I think you are overlooking the fact that she didn't run in 2012. It hardly seems fair to blame her for the kind of campaign that she ran, when she didn't even run one.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (IN7k+)

184 Romney can win against Hillary!, all we need are the right TACTICS run by the right consultants You Teabaggers and Jesus Freaks need to be team players too, your kind are lucky we don't turn your names over to Holder Now, where's that guy who used to come here with the idea that Mitt just needed to go on TV with a whiteboard with all his policy points spelled out?

Posted by: All The GOPe Shills at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (aTXUx)

185 Bonhomme:

Don't get too down.

Thanks.  My life is good, worrying about what I might lose in the future is one sure way to sabotage yourself.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (IoTdl)

186 Bet they'd all vote for Hillary! in 2016, too.

Being an LIV means never having to say you're sorry.
Or learn from your mistakes.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (POpqt)

187 Yeah, but nobody listens to us.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (ZPrif)

188 (gOoFi) lulz!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (rLVhf)

189

Dems won in 2008 b/c all politics is cyclical and, frankly, GWB did a real shitty job on many aspects.  He did not govern as a conservative at all. 

 

The simple fact that he would even submit Harriet Myers name to be on the F'ING SUPREME COURT speaks volumes.

 

 

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (tVTLU)

190 If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016. AHOY

Posted by: 1 x 4 at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (hyOIR)

191 148 What is really going to suck is when we lose to fucking Biden. Posted by: RWC- at February 18, 2014 02:52 PM (fWAjv) ********* Oh wow...that--would really suck! --btw fearing Hillary might unite us--sort of--but I'm beginning to think that might be Hillary's greatest strength. Hillary can fuel Democrat hatred like no other candidate. She can run on simply--"stick it to Conservatives by voting for Hillary!" Nothing else will matter. I thought Obama rode in on hate, but Hillary could take that to another level.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (RJMhd)

192 Let's worry about the White House when we have a republican Senate Majority leader no named McConnell!

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 10:58 AM (4JkHl)

193
Romney can win against Hillary!, all we need are the right TACTICS run by the right consultants
Posted by: All The GOPe Shills




ORCA XP!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 10:59 AM (kdS6q)

194 Mooch is taking a trip to NYC to remind us to drink water. We are so thankful for her wisdom.

Posted by: RWC- at February 18, 2014 10:59 AM (fWAjv)

195 >>hillary clinton is your next president...until 2025. Worry about that instead. Or, maybe even Howard Dean.<<

I don't think she is as electable as people think. There are lots of skeletons in that closet and she now has the Barack Obama taint. Her fingerprints are all over today's problems.

Besides, one thing we actually learned from Obama's campaign is how to beat her. Electorally.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 10:59 AM (GGCsk)

196 I said it before, I will say it again. Elected executives only. GOP has credible ones. Perry. Haley. Jindal. Walker. Martinez. Christie. Pence. Brewer.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 10:59 AM (4+AaH)

197 The proper response to this nonsense is read Not out of Africa by a person whose name I am too lazy to Google. Excellent book by a noted scholar that demolishes most of the Africa Invented Everything Movement's claims. Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 02:45 PM (RD7QR) Mary Lefkowitz.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 10:59 AM (36Rjy)

198 AHOY Posted by: 1 x 4 at February 18, 2014
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Now that, I predicted

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 10:59 AM (JBggj)

199 i liked Romney personally as a person. Yet i suspected when  We were fighting against Obamacare , and then Romney won the primary it took the arrow out of our hands.

and srsly , think ..women in binders!

media , we have to drive through the media.

Posted by: willow at February 18, 2014 11:00 AM (nqBYe)

200 >>>Barack Obama taint.

Three words I never wanted to contemplate

Posted by: Turnip Defense League [/i] at February 18, 2014 11:00 AM (O7Q1u)

201 Romney 2016 - This Time Brain Washes You!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:00 AM (HsTG8)

202 Pick three things and run on them. The problem with Palin is that she would become the one and only thing. We want an election of ideas and not a personality. She espoused a great many ideas, all conservative ideas, and was backstabbed by her own campaign, not to mention the constant hit jobs by the Marxists and she was still dragging McCain to a 1-2 point lead until the bottom fell out of the market.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (iU3DF)

203 Rested and ready to serve.  Please send campaign contributions to the second cardboard refrigerator box on the left side of the alley.

Posted by: Alvin Greene at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (SY2Kh)

204

Blaster:

 

Of that list I think only Scott Walker has the bona fides.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (tVTLU)

205 Bullshit. They were polling even to 3-4 points ahead until the economic numbers started to crash. That's what won 2008 for King Putt. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 18, 2014 02:55 PM (iU3DF) And ya know... not to get all tinfoil hattish... but just what caused the crash at that Time? Nothing really changed either before or after, EXCEPT some Regulatory stuff... no war, no famine... no oil embargo... Something caused that bubble to burst... at that time...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (84gbM)

206 Romney. Great guy. Terrible candidate. Can we move on now?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (GGCsk)

207 ITS PALIN/CRUZ 2016!!!! if you disagree you're a chris Christie/jeb bush loving RINO and gay

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (At8tV)

208 Yeah, but as the guy in the film says: "The letter J was not even invented until the 16th century, so Jesus is not his real name!" Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:49 PM (+cx5n) Stupid bastard probably thinks the Bible was originally written in old English.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 11:01 AM (36Rjy)

209 It hardly seems fair to blame her for the kind of campaign that she ran, when she didn't even run one. Can we blame her for collecting tons of our money (mine included) through her PAC, teasing us endlessly with that will-she-or-won't-she shit, then choosing not to run, and instead giving our money to the likes of Juan McCain, Marco Rubio and Kelly Ayotte?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (7ObY1)

210 Read the details of the Poll...

**100%*** of Hispanics says they regret their vote.

Do you still think it's a legit poll?

100%!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (0LHZx)

211 Mooch is taking a trip to NYC to remind us to drink water.

Want to sabotage that?  Get her talking about specifics. 

Tap water, "Corporate Water", distilled water, or carbonated water?  Which should I drink Queen Michelle?

Lefties love them some one-upsmanship on their water.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (IoTdl)

212 gets duct tape out for navycopjoe.

Posted by: willow at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (nqBYe)

213 Romney 2016 Will he think he can win this time? Fuck that.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (iU3DF)

214 Romney and his shit was a disaster. Most of the country still thinks morons are a cult. He was arrogant. He had to defend Ma Care. If only fucking Perry had stayed out of the debates while he was hurt. Wishing and hoping. I see Scott Walker as our man. Midwest boring, smart as hell, and already beaten the unions, twice, three times?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (0FSuD)

215
What is really going to suck is when we lose to fucking Biden.
Posted by: RWC




What's going to suck is when Biden dies in office, he is after all in his 70s and has/had cancer. It's the VP on the ticket that the Dems choose for "balance" leving up is what scares me.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (kdS6q)

216 Yeah, no. The base picked McCain over Romney on 2008. The electorate picked OBAMA over Romney in 2012, and I don't care what they say now. Just stop.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (Y92Nd)

217 Not no but fucking Hell no. We've appeased the fucking leadership by running milksop rinos enough. Fuck that shit. No to Mitt.

Posted by: maddogg at February 18, 2014 11:02 AM (xWW96)

218 'Ette, What's his height? Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 02:56 PM (tVTLU) sorry, watching uber soccer match rubio 5' 9" rand paul 5' 8" I have read somewhere. both lil ppl

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 11:03 AM (IXrOn)

219 Pick three things and run on them. The problem with Palin is that she would become the one and only thing. We want an election of ideas and not a personality. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 02:55 PM (659DL) I hear ya! Campaigning on a Cult of Personality was such a loser for Dems in 2008 and 2012 that they won't do it again in 2016 Everyone knows the vast reality tv consuming voters out there are starving for an ideas candidate rather than a personality who "cares about people like me"

Posted by: All The GOPe Shills at February 18, 2014 11:03 AM (aTXUx)

220 194 Mooch is taking a trip to NYC to remind us to drink water do some shopping and maybe take in a show.


We are so thankful for her wisdom.

Posted by: RWC- at February 18, 2014 02:59 PM (fWAjv)


FIFY.

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 11:03 AM (RD7QR)

221 ORCA XP! ORCA ME!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:03 AM (HsTG8)

222 Impeach the fucking Kenyan imposter and get Biden as a joke candidate who gives us the White House.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:03 AM (Y92Nd)

223 No J's or K's in the Italian language. Or W's, X's and Y's either. That's what got Amanda Knox in so much trouble. They thought her name was Amanda NO.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 11:04 AM (7ObY1)

224 What's going to suck is when Biden dies in office, he is after all in his 70s and has/had cancer. It's the VP on the ticket that the Dems choose for "balance" leving up is what scares me. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 03:02 PM (kdS6q) ********* Warren--of the Chickasaws?

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 11:04 AM (RJMhd)

225 Do you still think it's a legit poll? 100%!! ___ What...that sounds off for some reason?

Posted by: The multitude of precincts that went 100% for Obama at February 18, 2014 11:04 AM (M3hAT)

226 If he knew the election was to occur on March 1, he (and his media sycophants) would have just changed the timing on his lies, and this poll would have been coming out in June instead. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 18, 2014 02:38 PM (IN7k+) Yup. They manipulate the numbers by overt acts.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:04 AM (bb5+k)

227 What is really going to suck is when we lose to fucking Biden. Posted by: RWC this would be the Putin-behind-the-scenes scenario we saw go down in russia and guess who would be really running the show?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 11:04 AM (IXrOn)

228 to run, and instead giving our money to the likes of Juan McCain, Marco Rubio and Kelly Ayotte?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel
====
And Ted Cruz, Governor Matinez, Senator Fischer, etc.  A lot of people sent money to Rubio and Ayotte, too.  SarahPAC had 1.25 million in the bank at the end of 2013.  2014 is going to be a Tea Party Year.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 11:04 AM (JBggj)

229 Most of the country still thinks morons are a cult.


No we aren't! Most of us would look like hell in saffron robes.

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 11:05 AM (RD7QR)

230 Wow just read the Fed report. Student Loans hit an all time high of about $1.8 trillion.

Oh and predictably, Student Loans delinquencies also hit an all time high.

Change! Keep campaigning for Obama students!

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 11:05 AM (GGCsk)

231 Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 03:01 PM (84gbM) The bubble burst before that. A good 2-3 months before that. People just didn't feel it until then. I was doing COBRA administration for a company which included Countrywide Home Loans (remember them?) in the client list. Trust me when I tell you the bubble burst well before the news said it did.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 11:05 AM (PYAXX)

232 Something caused that bubble to burst... at that time...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 03:01 PM (84gbM)


Wall Street big boys "voting" for Obama and cronyism.

Posted by: Mindy at February 18, 2014 11:05 AM (mQwL2)

233 Mitt didn't run a negative campaign. He ran an 'it's the economy, stupid' campaign. Which failed, bevause saying things are bad without saying the other guy sucks doesn't work. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 18, 2014 02:39 PM (ytax Or saying it without having a fellating Media amplifying your message and constantly repeating it (as they did in the election of 1992 against George HW Bush) also won't work. But if the media is your propaganda corp? You bet it works. It works just fine.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:05 AM (bb5+k)

234 Something caused that bubble to burst... at that time... Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 03:01 PM (84gbM) Five hedge fund groups including Soros who testified before a Congress that they largely own.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:05 AM (Y92Nd)

235 @204 what do you mean bona fides? I get that there are arguments to be had against each of them. But they are all GOP governors with records of accomplishment.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 11:06 AM (4+AaH)

236
Warren
Posted by: tasker



*shudders*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 11:06 AM (kdS6q)

237 "40 Anybody who would still choose Obama, and his rank incompetence, over Romney needs to be sent to the camps, Posted by: Dr Spank at February 18, 2014 02:35 PM (P1WNR) " Granted! MUHAHAHAHAHAA

Posted by: Evil_Djinn at February 18, 2014 11:06 AM (5xmd7)

238 Thanks 'ette.  yeah that is fairly short.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (tVTLU)

239

215 -

 

I don't do conspiracies, but that  doesn't  stop me from speculating:  If Biden dies in office, Choom Boy will nominate the one person who he knows he can count  on to be his #2...  Moochelle. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (TOk1P)

240 The media put the "generic evil bankster Republican" costume on him, and the lefties believe it. They will do that for any Republican candidate. Posted by: bonhomme at February 18, 2014 02:39 PM (WhJf Now if we could just get all the other members of the right coalition to figure this the fuck out, maybe we could get into position to finally do something about it?

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (bb5+k)

241 Can we get a poll to come up with a better name for Barbara Walters' pocket dildo?  C'mon, "Selfie?"  Really?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (rV80K)

242 Don't Want Hillary Next.

If she were to expire in office, from natural causes of avancing age, the cerimonial funeral would make Camelot look like a saturday morning cartoon. It would make the British Monarch look like . . like . .

*shudder*

My mind reels at the thought. The imagery, the pomp and circumstance, the media hyperbole. echos of the Weldstone memorial  "For Paul!, For Paul!" "For Hillary!, For Hillary!" The outpouring of public grief, the mobs in the street, the counter revolutionary reactionaries OH the Horror!

Posted by: Memory man remembers at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (cteqn)

243
Well, I wanted to vote for Ben Ghazi, but I never saw his name on the ballot.

Posted by: Kimmel Man in the Street LIV at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (OZmbA)

244 Most of the country still thinks morons are a cult.

We're Mormons, not morons.  Though some of are both.

Are we a cult?  I don't even know what that means anymore.  Every Evangelist I ever met was convinced, but what specifically makes us a cult?  "You worship Joseph Smith!"  Uh, no.  "You don't believe in Christ!"  Uh, yes we do.  "You don't believe in ( some specific doctrine that a whole lot of Christians don't believe in ).  OK.  Sure.

The one I can't refute is we don't believe in the Nicene Creed.  OK, sure.  But that's something a bunch of scholars came up with hundreds of years after Christ died.  Why's that the end-all of Christianity?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (IoTdl)

245 229 Most of the country still thinks morons are a cult. No we aren't! Most of us would look like hell in saffron robes. Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 03:05 PM (RD7QR) ha ha, Fucking autospell. That and most of the morons drink. Walker/Cruz? Would Cruz go for that?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 11:07 AM (0FSuD)

246 241 Can we get a poll to come up with a better name for Barbara Walters' pocket dildo? C'mon, "Selfie?" Really?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2014 03:07 PM (rV80K)


Tunnel digger!

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (RD7QR)

247 If Sarah Palin wants the job, she will be the Republican nominee for president in 2016.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 02:51 PM (JBggj)

 

You're probably being facetitious, but I'd vote for Sarah Palin in a heartbeat. I think she's the real deal, a genuinely principled and capable leader. However, I also think she'd lose the crucial female demographic to Hillary, and with it the election.

 

Another thing, too: the Democrats/MSM worked hard to portray Palin as a dumbass chillbilly way out of her league, and succeeded.  I don't know that kind of branding by character assassination can be undone. 

 

Of course, anything can happen between now and 2016. There's an economic catastrophe bearing down like the proverbial freight train, Iran is on the cusp of going nuclear, and other assorted bad guys are making their move, sensing weakness and itching for advantage all over the world.  Look at it this way:  if WWII hadn't happened, Winston Churchill would've remained a noisy but ineffectual backbencher for the entirety of his political career.

Posted by: troyriser at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (V9ol4)

248 The LIVs don't care about specific issues, so a successful candidate should speak in broad strokes about things that most people support...and have his allies demonize the hell out of the opposition. It is what pretty much every successful campaign does - so stop coming up with 72 point plans Republican candidates. What is your plan is elected in 2016 Mr Republican? Undoing all the things Obama screwed up. What about the specifics? Well I think Obama has really hurt the middle class and I'm going to reverse what he did. What about controversial issue X? Oh I think we can come to a pragmatic answer to that unlike the extremists in the Obama administration why did awful thing Y. etc...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (M3hAT)

249 rubio 5' 9"
rand paul 5' 8"

I have read somewhere.

both lil ppl

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 03:03 PM (IXrOn)



Sarah Palin is at least that tall in heels.

Posted by: Mindy at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (mQwL2)

250 Why are we even having this 2016 conversation when Rove let the kitteh out of the sack yesterday with the ban on "bringing up any past scandals of the Clintons" Yet any GOP candidate who pushed a gay man's kid in the sandbox when he was in Kindergarten is fair game to the Clintons All I want to know is if Rove got the Clintons to agree on the point spread so I can at least bet on that

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (aTXUx)

251 241 Can we get a poll to come up with a better name for Barbara Walters' pocket dildo? C'mon, "Selfie?" Really? Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2014 03:07 PM (rV80K) Baba Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (HsTG8)

252 63 No. Mitt was the guy who bound the gay dog to the woman with cancer on the roof of the corporate jet in order to cheat on his taxes Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 18, 2014 02:39 PM (Q6pxP) Your joke illustrates the entire point of the Liberal tactic of demonizing their opponents. It doesn't matter what the Public remembers about him, just so long as it's bad. Convoluted is not a problem as long as it leaves a bad impression on the public.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:08 AM (bb5+k)

253 Awright, who invented the letter "j" ? And how did they get by without it ?

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (r1ETs)

254 Barack Obama taint.

Three words I never wanted to contemplate

Posted by: Turnip Defense League at February 18, 2014 03:00 PM (O7Q1u)

But I sooooo do.

Posted by: Reginald Love at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (fwARV)

255 Romney just stfu when Candy Crowley disputed his recollection of Benghazi. He let her roll him like her date covering her in flour to find the wet spot. He ran a bitchass campaign and lost. He should get lost now. This was only his frst job in years. Enjoy funemployment.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (Y92Nd)

256 Haters gotta to hate. No better than the 52%.

Posted by: Mishmash at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (3aj5/)

257 They will do that for any Republican candidate.

Posted by: bonhomme
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Palin can, and probably will, run against the GOP establishment on a reform plank.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (JBggj)

258 >>The media put the "generic evil bankster Republican" costume on him, and the lefties believe it. <<

They will try to label and define any candidate Republicans put up. It's what they do. Look at the Tea Party and "extremism".

I've never met a Tea Party person I would consider extreme. That is unless things like knitting while talking is considered "extreme".

Posted by: Marcus T at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (GGCsk)

259 Vote for Mayhem!!! This weekend I announced my candidacy. Here's the basic platform: Eliminate dept of education, epa, TSA, and the IRS. Throw the u.n. out and designate OPEC as a terror org. Clear out the prisons, secure the border, drop kick the illegals back topoint of origin, drug test welfare recips until we end welfare, and outlaw lobbyists. End Affirmative action. End federal paychecks for congress and let their states pay them a restricted salary no more than 3 times the poverty rate. No lifetime benefits for those fuckers or presidents. Piss off our enemies then bomb them back to the stone age if they bitch because I stopped sending foreign aid to them. No isolationist bullshit but America first. Our campaign slogan: Fuck 'em all and feed 'em peanuts!

Posted by: madamemayhem at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (S2RnE)

260

Romney 2016: How About This Time We Try to Win NORTH Carolina?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 11:09 AM (kdS6q)

261 Post-convention bounce.
No Republican ticket could have won in 2008.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 18, 2014 02:53 PM (659DL)


I'm pretty sure McCain would've won in 2008 despite his best attempts at losing if the banking crash never happened. I was about ready to vote for Palin/McCain Heart Attack right up until the crash happened and McCain's pathetic response to it convinced me to vote third party.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (W7ffl)

262 anyway whoever runs , i hope they take a lot of time to think about their  campaign managers .

becuase maCain flop. no surprise. romney flop no surprise after watching the  campaign.
also better have a  good plan to go around the media

Posted by: willow at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (nqBYe)

263 Well, maybe these articles will get every candidate guaranteed to lose in 2016: Krispykreme, Bush^3, Slick Willard, etc., in a room with Georgette Mosbacher, and then...SMOD.

Posted by: A message at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (fsHdl)

264 I don't do conspiracies, but that doesn't stop me from speculating: If Biden dies in office, Choom Boy will nominate the one person who he knows he can count on to be his #2... Moochelle. Posted by: BurtTC at February 18, 2014 03:07 PM (TOk1P) Yeah, right. If he did that, she'd probably put rat poison in his cocaine. It would be another white and stupid person. Nancy Pelosi, for example.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (36Rjy)

265 241 Can we get a poll to come up with a better name for Barbara Walters' pocket dildo? C'mon, "Selfie?" Really? You are late to the blog, it's called the Zombie Ed Brooke Black avenger. http://tinyurl.com/5d58c5

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (0FSuD)

266

@36 I think this corresponds with a certain New Jersey fatass getting caught acting like a corrupt moron.

----------------

 

I think it has more to do with a certain Netflix documentary putting him in a more personable light.  Even people on the Other Side are saying it makes Romney look like a really good guy.

 

As far as the "wouldn't change my vote crowd" goes, there's still too much flat-out animosity where politics is involved.  All too often we see polls along the lines of "I don't like the president, but the Republicans are EVIL!!!"  People who think that way are going to need more than unhappiness to seriously consider switching parties.

 

Posted by: junior at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (UWFpX)

267 Yeah, Romney's patented "Obama's not a bad guy, he just made a boo boo" campaign platform really set the world on fire.

Posted by: j44 at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (QxSug)

268 236 Warren Posted by: tasker *shudders* Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 03:06 PM (kdS6q) ******** I shit you not--I read Liberal threads because (--I have no idea why really)--and-- the kiddies are pimping a Warren?Franken ticket. omg--Idiocracy here we are!!!

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 11:10 AM (RJMhd)

269 You're probably being facetitious, but I'd vote for Sarah Palin in a heartbeat.
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You must be new here

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 11:11 AM (JBggj)

270 So if a LIV voted 10 times, he wants to chance 7 of them ? Math is hard.

Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2014 11:11 AM (r1ETs)

271 I think morons are a cult. We hang around a lot together, we have the same set of strong beliefs and we are centralized around a strong central figure-the mighty Ace. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2014 11:11 AM (XyM/Y)

272 both lil ppl Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 18, 2014 03:03 PM (IXrOn) Please do not it too personally when I sledgehammer your kneecaps like I'm about to do.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 11:11 AM (VtjlW)

273 It's surprizing that people still aren't flocking to him. Isn't that how Reagan won democrats over, by saying Carter was just swell?

Posted by: j44 at February 18, 2014 11:11 AM (QxSug)

274 It is what pretty much every successful campaign does - so stop coming up with 72 point plans Republican candidates. OMG, yes. Any "N-point Plan" where N > 3 will be pretty much a face plant right out of the gate.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:11 AM (HsTG8)

275 and we are centralized around a strong central figure-the mighty Ace. If by "centralized around" you mean "mock mercilessly."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 11:12 AM (PYAXX)

276 Warren?Franken ticket.

omg--Idiocracy here we are!!!

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 03:10 PM (RJMhd)


Yeah, at the debates Franken will tackle the Republican candidate and Warren will scalp him.

Posted by: joncelli at February 18, 2014 11:12 AM (RD7QR)

277 >>>Can we blame her for collecting tons of our money (mine included) through her PAC, teasing us endlessly with that will-she-or-won't-she shit, then choosing not to run, and instead giving our money to the likes of Juan McCain, Marco Rubio and Kelly Ayotte?

No.

I was disappointed when she decided not to run, but she never said she would, so she didn't deceive anyone. What should she have done with the money her PAC collected? She used it to promote conservative candidates. Rubio has been a disappointment on amnesty, but he is still lightyears ahead of what we would have has with Crist. I hate McCain as much as I hate any backstabbing SOB that is supposed to be on my team, but McCain and Palin appear to have some kind of truce between them since their campaign. I supposed she could go after him, realizing that he could go after her as well, but has decided not to. I hate to see anyone ally themselves with McCain, but seeing as they were on a campaign together, I give Palin a pass on that one.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at February 18, 2014 11:12 AM (IN7k+)

278 Well, not entirely. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2014 11:12 AM (XyM/Y)

279
Can we get a poll to come up with a better name for Barbara Walters' pocket dildo?
Posted by: Joe Biden




The star-nosed mole of passion.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 11:13 AM (kdS6q)

280 Perry. Haley. Jindal. Walker. Martinez. Christie. Pence. Brewer. Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 02:59 PM (4+AaH) Good list, but I would leave off Brewer and add Kasich, maybe Snyder, and I would put Christie at the bottom, because that's what he is.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:13 AM (Y92Nd)

281 >>254 Barack Obama taint.
Three words I never wanted to contemplate
Posted by: Turnip Defense League at February 18, 2014 03:00 PM (O7Q1u)
But I sooooo do.Posted by: Reginald Love at February 18, 2014 03:09 PM (fwARV)<<


Now I have you both to blame for that imagery of Reggie slurping across BO's Brazilian waxed taint. Ugh.

Posted by: Sphynx at February 18, 2014 11:13 AM (OZmbA)

282 If by "centralized around" you mean "mock mercilessly." Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 03:12 PM (PYAXX) I have no idea what you're talking about. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to running over this Ewok stuffie with this model of an Israeli tank.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 11:13 AM (VtjlW)

283 and I would put Christie at the bottom, because that's what he is. That's a fat joke, isn't it!? Be a man and just call me fat!

Posted by: Chris Christie at February 18, 2014 11:14 AM (PYAXX)

284

random thought: I wish Rand Paul was taller.

 

 

He has a funny speaking voice, too.  He's the only guy I actually like.  I don't see him winning. 

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at February 18, 2014 11:14 AM (A0sHn)

285 The last time replacing Biden came up, Corzine was on the short list. That would have been an amazing own goal.

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2014 11:14 AM (i1tGd)

286

But nobody regrets voting for me!

 

Suck it, wingnuts.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2014 11:14 AM (xvtYZ)

287 You must be cruel, in order to be fair, Empress,

Posted by: Corolianus Snow at February 18, 2014 11:15 AM (Jsiw/)

288 Hillary will win easily in 2016. Doesn't matter what she did in the past, doesn't matter how many women Bill fucked, doesn't matter what happened in Benghazi.

She will be the 1st woman president. That's all. That's all you will hear in the MSM for 2 years. If you don't vote for her you hate women. End of story.

And between 52-55% of the electorate will vote for her simply because of how many X and Y chromosomes she has.

It sucks that this is how we elect people in America in the 21st century, but it's the way shit is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:15 AM (0LHZx)

289 @280 Yes to adding Snyder. No on Kasich. As for Christie, pick, him or Hillary. Think hard, it matters.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 11:15 AM (4+AaH)

290 You're probably being facetitious, but I'd vote for Sarah Palin in a heartbeat. So you'd motorboat her? Good to know!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:15 AM (HsTG8)

291 Girl Scouts threatening lawsuits against anybody who reports their ties to Planned Parenthood and all the abortion money they take and abortion activists they hire. John Nolte ‏@NolteNC Girl Scouts Threaten Legal Action Against Critical Pro-Life Groups http://shar.es/FboOj via @BreitbartNews

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 11:15 AM (ZPrif)

292 If by "centralized around" you mean "mock mercilessly." The Ewok words for 'Mock' and 'Revere' share the same root 'Yub'.

Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2014 11:16 AM (hyOIR)

293 It sucks that this is how we elect people in America in the 21st century, but it's the way shit is. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 03:15 PM (0LHZx) NO that's the way you think shit is. And it sounds defeatist to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 11:16 AM (t3UFN)

294 That's a serious question, by the by. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 02:35 PM (VtjlW) Serious questions are only allowed on ace's movie review threads and threads with Kate Upton embedded videos

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2014 11:16 AM (aTXUx)

295 That worked out real well with La Palin. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 02:46 PM (7ObY1) The Media were not so vicious when Reagan ran for President. As a matter of fact, I suspect it is Reagan's terms in office which helped to transform the press into a far more vicious propaganda corp. After George HW Bush won the election after Reagan, the Press went nuts trying to figure out ways to torpedo Bush's re-election chances. They finally succeeded with the "It's the Economy Stupid" meme. But as anyone can plainly see, it's only "the Economy Stupid", when the media decide it's the economy, and repeat their damaging attacks daily for six months prior to the election. (As they did to George HW Bush.) With Obama, they couldn't push the economy, so they decided "It's not the Economy Stupid." "It's Haircuts! It's dogs on roofs! It's Binders full of Women!" It's Tax Returns! It's anything that makes Romney look bad!" "It's the MEDIA Stupid."

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:16 AM (bb5+k)

296 And the no on Kasich is because he got rolled.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 11:16 AM (4+AaH)

297 "rubio 5' 9" rand paul 5' 8" .." Damn. Well, maybe we'll lock up the Lollypop Guild vote.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 18, 2014 11:17 AM (gOoFi)

298 "So you'd motorboat her? Good to know!"
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Okay, there is something to that "War On Women" thing.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 11:17 AM (JBggj)

299 Will Walker be hurt by not being a college graduate? Its really the only line of attack I think for him that would work on anyone other than union members.

Posted by: BSR at February 18, 2014 11:18 AM (3wrJ+)

300 I was actually just having this conversation on Romney several times actually in the past few months. It's come up a couple of times in various blogs/news sites. Romney again... no! but there is caveat to that no. The man, if he had the "fire in the belly" is uniquely qualified to run again, on the "I'm the guy you should have picked to clean up this mess, now look what happened" platform. There is certainly a very small interesting window/angle of attack that could be made with him running again. Plus, the dirt is out there is a relatively clear path to a nomination (I guess aside from the loser label). The big problem we seem to have had the last two cycles, that I would hate to see repeated is this long ass scorched earth primary. The RNC is right to take better control of the process. They blame the "open primaries" in some states, alleging some kind of reverse operation chaos in those places. I would be shocked to see if that has any real impact. What I see as having the biggest impact are thus: 1) Candidates without a clear shot in hell of winning doing aforementioned scorched earth damage. I don't really put Ron Paul's last two campaigns in this category, though perhaps I'm biased since I voted for him. He was a bit more mild mannered then people like Santorum, Rick Perry once he stumbled, Bachmann, Gingrich, Huntsman, etc. These folks went to war for a protracted length of time with all kinds of smear campaigns and buzz words... vulture capitalist, and such. This damaged the eventual nominee. 2) Early Primary/Caucus states like Iowa having disproportionate infuence in the process. Place with a handful of electoral votes, that largely are biased towards the candidate that will keep the subsidy dollars flowing. I remember remarking before the last cycle that we forgo primaries for the greater good if we could just get these people in a room and have them beat each other senseless, last man (or Woman) standing is the nominee . I also can't stomach the ego on these people. When you have the google baggage Santorum did, or the ladies like Cain (and let's not pretend there was any smear there, where their is smoke there is fire, he would have been crucified in the general election), Gingrich's past, Bachmann's crazy eyes, or possibly gay husband... etc. stay on the sidelines, I'll again exclude Paul from this category we all know what he is/was and what the objective of his campaign was. But if there is a bomb lurking out there and you know someone will find it, stay out of the race! The fact that you can't help your self makes it all the more egregious, that you are a calculating politician in it for power and not for "Saving the country" as you would have us poor schmucks running to your defense believe. Mitch Daniels wisely chose to stay out because of the issues with his wife, Haley Barbour, I think did the same because of alleged corruption? I can't remember and too lazy to google it. We're going to end up with Jeb Bush in 2016 aren't we? I would sign up for a third attempt by Romney before I willingly put another Bush in the white house. 2 years ago, I was sure we'd have a strong field in '16, I thought a lot of the heavy hitters were sitting out to avoid damage because Obama was maybe a lock for re-election. I'm not so certain we have such a deep field. Rand Paul really needs to sit this one out. He's more valuable in the Senate, and he can't run for both. Cruz is in my mind damaged goods since the "filibuster", the media "Palinized" him and will be only a 2 year senator anyway. The GOP seems to have a flavor of the week mentality, that crap hero worship needs to stop, I like Cruz just fine, but he is also more important in the Senate. Rubio is damaged form the amnesty push, and is in the same boat as Paul with the election laws. Christie, I think has more potential national appeal than people realize, but may be in the process of imploding himself over petty political retribution. Who's left? Scott Walker could be OK, Perry again, probably irreparably damaged from last time, maybe Pawlenty again? See item #2 above re: Iowa. Jeb Bush? I guess I'd give Walker a shot, and Perry a second chance? Things look bleak. Looking at the above is a Romney candidacy that far fetched?

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 18, 2014 11:18 AM (n/ogz)

301 In 2008, the post-convention bounce was due to and contained within Sarah Palin's sweater.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 11:18 AM (+cx5n)

302 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 03:15 PM (ZPrif) The Girl Scouts claim "no ties to Planned Parenthood?" I thought that was pretty well established. Did I miss something?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at February 18, 2014 11:18 AM (PYAXX)

303 If Boner can just get immigration fixed so the GOP donors can get their cheap minimum wage labor (MinWage $25 New Bucks/ hour) then Hillary is in!

..and she will be easier to work with.

Posted by: Memory man remembers at February 18, 2014 11:18 AM (cteqn)

304 One thing that makes Palin so great is that she is perfectly willing to hit Dem candidates, politicians and the MSM *hard* - and with a smile on her face. On the issues, and even on stuff like Obama "palling around with terrorists."

I don't know if I want her to run, but I want someone like her who will not bow to Rove et. al. and take the high road. Cruz, Paul, Walker - they all have appeal for this reason.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 18, 2014 11:18 AM (POpqt)

305 which is exactly why the Founders did NOT making voting either Universal, or a RIGHT. The did not WANT a Democracy. Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 02:47 PM (84gbM) And every step we've taken in that direction (17th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments) has been a disaster.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:19 AM (bb5+k)

306
Warren?Franken ticket.
Posted by: tasker




How about this, Biden/Obama.  There is the open question on whether someone who has served 2 terms as President and still serve as VP.  Now supposedly he couldn't become President again when Joe goes toes up, but if the issue was left to be decided by the Supreme Court.....

But if not the B. there's always the M. "The first black woman VP!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 11:19 AM (kdS6q)

307 The commanding officer and senior enlisted leader of a Florida-based explosive ordnance disposal unit have been fired after determining their command sought Submarine Birthday Ball funds from local strip clubs, the Navy said Tuesday. Sounds like initiative to me?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 11:19 AM (t3UFN)

308 Please do not it too personally when I sledgehammer your kneecaps like I'm about to do. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at February 18, 2014 03:11 PM (VtjlW) And children, this is NOT a good example of microaggression.

Posted by: RWC- at February 18, 2014 11:19 AM (fWAjv)

309 Has a candidate lost one election and then run again and won the next time around?

Nixon I guess, although he didn't do it in consecutive elections.

Anyone else?

And I don't mean lost a primary then came back again. I mean, won the primary, lost the general, then came back and won the general the next time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:20 AM (0LHZx)

310 Univision goes all in on Hillary Brad Thor ‏@BradThor Media bias: Days after Univision announces Clinton partnership, network owner says Hillary presidency his ‘dreamÂ’ http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/17/...

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 11:20 AM (ZPrif)

311 Walker/McCrory? If we beat Hagan badly it could happen. Two governors both successful!

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 11:20 AM (0FSuD)

312 And between 52-55% of the electorate will vote for her simply because of how many X and Y chromosomes she has. It sucks that this is how we elect people in America in the 21st century, but it's the way shit is. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 03:15 PM (0LHZx) I'm going to say 5 words I never thought I'd say... Mr Moo Moo is right

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2014 11:20 AM (aTXUx)

313 "The letter J was not even invented until the 16th century, so Jesus is not his real name!" Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:49 PM (+cx5n) I always thought the Jewish version of "Jesus" was something like Yeshua or something.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:21 AM (bb5+k)

314 305: Yeah, lets run on that. "No more votes for women or non-whites"

Posted by: BSR at February 18, 2014 11:21 AM (3wrJ+)

315 NO that's the way you think shit is. And it sounds defeatist to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 03:16 PM (t3UFN)


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No you're right, identity politics doesn't exist. My bad.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:21 AM (0LHZx)

316 @306. Not an open question. The language for qualification for VP is that no one who is not qualified to be elected President can be elected VP. Someone who has served two terms as President is not eligible.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 11:22 AM (4+AaH)

317 @309 Reagan.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 11:22 AM (4+AaH)

318 Oh, missed that. Not Reagan.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 11:23 AM (4+AaH)

319 I'm scared to death Michelle win run. Tinpot dictators all over the world get their spouses to run when they are term limited. It happens in South America all the freakin time

Posted by: BSR at February 18, 2014 11:23 AM (3wrJ+)

320 "Hillary will win easily in 2016."
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Since when?  She couldn't even beat an unknown junior Senator from IL last time for her own party's nomination, and she hasn't gotten any more likable since then.

Unlike her husband, she's not particularly likable nor a great speaker on the stump.  Her unfavorable rating is still underwater among male voters, and she hasn't even tasted any real Dem infighting yet. 

My money says she doesn't even run.

Posted by: looking closely at February 18, 2014 11:24 AM (PwGfd)

321 Hillary will win easily in 2016. Doesn't matter what she did in the past, doesn't matter how many women Bill fucked, doesn't matter what happened in Benghazi.

You're hilarious.

Posted by: Booker / Warren 2016, your primary-winning Dem ticket at February 18, 2014 11:24 AM (B/VB5)

322

@205 Something caused that bubble to burst... at that time...

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Not saying this was the cause, but the first thing I remember leading up to the crash was Chuck Schumer leaking that IndyMac Bank was in dire straights.  That launched a run on the bank, which promptly put it out of business.

 

On a related note, I know several people who used to work there, and they had a lot of friends that lost their jobs as a result.  There were a lot of people who were pretty pissed off at Schumer.

 

Unfortunatly, Schumer's in NY, and IndyMac was in LA county, so it's not like there was any blow back on him for his misconduct.

 

Posted by: junior at February 18, 2014 11:24 AM (UWFpX)

323 291 Girl Scouts threatening lawsuits against anybody who reports their ties to Planned Parenthood and all the abortion money they take and abortion activists they hire. John Nolte ‏@NolteNC Girl Scouts Threaten Legal Action Against Critical Pro-Life Groups http://shar.es/FboOj via @BreitbartNews Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 03:15 PM (ZPrif) #cookiecott got their attention, huh? And what, pray tell, would be the basis for their suit? BTW, Delaware Right to Life is running some great radio spots on talk radio decrying the disproportionate rates of abortions in the African-American community ("An AA baby has a 50% chance of being aborted"). The kicker is their tag line: "A Life is a Terrible Thing to Waste".

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:24 AM (HsTG8)

324 The only hope the GOP has going forward is to play the Dem game. That means an Hispanic and/or woman candidate. Of course the MSM will still call a guy named Cruz or Rubio racist against Hispanic. But, your every man on the ground will believe his own eyes instead of what Charlie Gibson tells him. I think.

Putting up another white guy as the nominee....it's a dead end for the party.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:24 AM (0LHZx)

325 I think 5'9 is probably about an average height for men in this country and whomever the old white guy the Republicans choose is (I keed! I keed) he'll probably still be taller than Hillary, I expect.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 18, 2014 11:25 AM (XyM/Y)

326 she hasn't even tasted any real Dem infighting yet.

There's already an article in TNR questioning Hillary's progtard bona-fides and suggesting Elizabeth Warren is just what the Democrat base needs.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 18, 2014 11:25 AM (B/VB5)

327 nood

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2014 11:25 AM (rLVhf)

328 The 22nd amendment says "elected', but you can be appointed, or you can just 'assume' the office. Who's going to stop you?

Posted by: Memory man remembers at February 18, 2014 11:25 AM (cteqn)

329 BTW, Delaware Right to Life is running some great radio spots on talk radio decrying the disproportionate rates of abortions in the African-American community *** An inventive AG could go after PP for racial discrimination. Win or lose I think it would move the needle of public opinion in the right direction...

Posted by: 18-1 at February 18, 2014 11:26 AM (M3hAT)

330 No you're right, identity politics doesn't exist. My bad. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 03:21 PM (0LHZx) As usual you just like to state your opinion and fail to read what i said, but that does not surprise me.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 11:26 AM (t3UFN)

331 313 "The letter J was not even invented until the 16th century, so Jesus is not his real name!" Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 02:49 PM (+cx5n) I always thought the Jewish version of "Jesus" was something like Yeshua or something. Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 03:21 PM (bb5+k) "J" is the transliteration of the Hebrew letter 'yod.'

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 11:26 AM (36Rjy)

332 Since when? She couldn't even beat an unknown junior Senator from IL last time for her own party's nomination, and she hasn't gotten any more likable since then.

Unlike her husband, she's not particularly likable nor a great speaker on the stump. Her unfavorable rating is still underwater among male voters, and she hasn't even tasted any real Dem infighting yet.

My money says she doesn't even run.

Posted by: looking closely at February 18, 2014 03:24 PM (PwGfd)


______________


These comments sound eerily like the comments of late October 2012....Obama's toast, the polls are skewed, a ham sandwich could beat him, look at those crowds in Ohio, Benghazi!!!!


And on election night 2016, the same "THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN!!!!" bullshit will start.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:26 AM (0LHZx)

333 Someone will challenge Shrill Hill from the left. My money is on some True Believer Prog like Howard Dean or Russ Feingold

Posted by: BSR at February 18, 2014 11:27 AM (3wrJ+)

334 ???? Forget the Lawyers, we have to kill all the educators first Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 02:52 PM (t3UFN) Or destroy the education system's existing business model by authorizing low cost online training that doesn't need universities and liberal professors. Embrace the future! It get's rid of the indoctrination!

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:27 AM (bb5+k)

335

Let's just put it on the table.

 

To win, the GOP must run a homosexual, cross-dressing abortion doctor that attends Code Pink and amnesty rallies.

 

Are we done here?

Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 11:27 AM (tVTLU)

336 2014 and 2016 will be a political "reform" election cycle.  Voters are saying, loudly and consistently, that the political system is broken and that DC isn't listening.  All the while more and more voters are drifting downwards on the economic ladder.  Food prices are shooting up and wages are stagnant.  Palin can run against DC and the establishment with the withering media barrage of the last six years to prove her independence.  She is a media star, she compels coverage.  She can raise money, articulate her conservative positions, and offer solutions.  In an ordinary election cycle, like 1996, or even 1992, her chances would be low.  But 2016 will be a "trust" election and a "free men and free markets" plank with Palin on top of the ticket would be unbeatable.

Posted by: mrp at February 18, 2014 11:27 AM (JBggj)

337 306 Warren?Franken ticket. Posted by: tasker How about this, Biden/Obama. There is the open question on whether someone who has served 2 terms as President and still serve as VP. Now supposedly he couldn't become President again when Joe goes toes up, but if the issue was left to be decided by the Supreme Court..... 306 Warren?Franken ticket. Posted by: tasker How about this, Biden/Obama. There is the open question on whether someone who has served 2 terms as President and still serve as VP. Now supposedly he couldn't become President again when Joe goes toes up, but if the issue was left to be decided by the Supreme Court..... But if not the B. there's always the M. "The first black woman VP!" Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 03:19 PM (kdS6q) "The first black woman VP!" Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 03:19 PM (kdS6q) **************** Oh hell Nooooooooooo!!!

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (RJMhd)

338 Oh and, yes, 'Jesus' is the Latin version of Yeshua.

Posted by: baldilocks at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (36Rjy)

339 Grover Cleveland lost then won. http://tinyurl.com/88ten

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (0FSuD)

340 317 @309 Reagan.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 03:22 PM (4+AaH)


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Try again. Reagan didn't win the nomination in 1976.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (0LHZx)

341 Sigh. Go look at her poll numbers. Among Republicans. I'll wait. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 18, 2014 02:52 PM (7ObY1) The media did a good job thrashing her character and her competence. They now have most people believing that she's a fool, while Joe Biden is intelligent.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (bb5+k)

342 Two governors both successful! Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 03:20 PM (0FSuD) Success for us is a booming economy and low unemployment. Success for them is how much free shit they get.

Posted by: RWC- at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (fWAjv)

343 @339 Actually, he won, then lost, then won.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 18, 2014 11:28 AM (0FSuD)

344 We're going to end up with Jeb Bush in 2016 aren't we? I would sign up for a third attempt by Romney before I willingly put another Bush in the white house. If the GOP goes Bush again, I hope it is prepared to savor a real stomping of a loss.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 18, 2014 11:29 AM (HsTG8)

345 No you're right, identity politics doesn't exist. My bad. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 03:21 PM (0LHZx) Identity politics work, in the absence of ideas. A Pro Liberty, Pro Rule of Law, back to the Constitution and its limits, campaign would be pilloried by the Press, Hated by the Government Unions, hated by Washington.... hated by big donors and crony capitalists... But could win.... A message of 'the Government is made up of people, and they are supposed to be there to SERVE you, not be your Master" would bring in both the Youth Vote, AND the Elderly Vote (who remember the old days...).

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 11:29 AM (84gbM)

346 Yes to adding Snyder. No on Kasich. As for Christie, pick, him or Hillary. Think hard, it matters. Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2014 03:15 PM (4+AaH) Michigan would be even better than Ohio. Don't see how Kasich is worse than Martinez, whom I also like for appealing to three powerful constituencies: women, Latinos and Catholics. I don't like her skipping CPAC, though. Sorry if this sounds rude, but I don't give a fuck if it's Hillary or Christie. If he's the best Republicans can do at that point, last one out hit the lights.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:29 AM (Y92Nd)

347 Looking at the above is a Romney candidacy that far fetched?
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He's still probably more viable than some of the names being thrown around.   So no, it wouldn't be "so" crazy. 

I don't think just running for the third time disqualifies him.  EG, how many times has Newt Gingrich run now, and he actually won the Republican primary in SC last cycle. . .who could have seen that one coming?

But bluntly, I don't think Romney is interested in doing it again for the third time. 

Posted by: looking closely at February 18, 2014 11:31 AM (PwGfd)

348 A Pro Liberty, Pro Rule of Law, back to the Constitution and its limits, campaign would be pilloried by the Press, Hated by the Government Unions, hated by Washington.... hated by big donors and crony capitalists...

But could win....

A message of 'the Government is made up of people, and they are supposed to be there to SERVE you, not be your Master" would bring in both the Youth Vote, AND the Elderly Vote (who remember the old days...).

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 03:29 PM (84gbM)


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If this were 1980, I'd agree with you 100%.

In 2014/16, ideas don't mean shit anymore. Remember who the average voter is. They haven't got a clue about anything. They need shiny objects and cool slogans to be impressed. Ideas about liberty, freedom, rule of law....not so much.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:31 AM (0LHZx)

349 19
I heard that Romney didn't even have a Barbers' License when he gave that gay dog a haircut and cancer.

And his Cancer License had expired.

Posted by: Cancer License Inspector at February 18, 2014 02:31 PM (A0sHn)


Whatever you haters. At least now the dog has insurance thanks to Obama.

Posted by: LIV bitchez at February 18, 2014 11:31 AM (0XBx+)

350 If Obama was a Republican then every late night show and comedy show would have an Obama impersonator with a giant baseball sized wart on his face where Obama has that growth. It would just be this gross, diseased ... thing .. on his face. They'd have skits about foreign dignitaries trying not to notice this huge, monstrosity while they talk to him. It would get in the way of him drinking from a wine glass. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2014 02:54 PM (ZPrif) And that is the absolute truth. It is also why we need to beat the existing media to death with a baseball bat. You want to know where our rights and freedom are going? It's the fucking media, people! They have a monopoly on access to the public, and they use it to further Left wing goals.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:31 AM (bb5+k)

351 Cruz/Martinez

I'd love to see this ticket only so I can watch Chris Matthews every night tell me how both of them hate Hispanics.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 11:32 AM (0LHZx)

352 How about this, Biden/Obama.
==

By the time his current term is done, Obama will exit lower than Carter, and bluntly, I don't think Biden is going to look so hot either.

Bring it on; I'd love to see the thrashing. .

Posted by: looking closely at February 18, 2014 11:33 AM (PwGfd)

353 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 03:31 PM (0LHZx) Sorry.... don't agree with you... Exhibit 1: The TEA Party... and those folks are still out there, just LOOKING for a Leader... There are a lot of folks out there who see just where Identity politics has led us.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 18, 2014 11:33 AM (84gbM)

354
To win, the GOP must run a homosexual, cross-dressing abortion doctor that attends Code Pink and amnestyrallies.
Posted by: prescient11




Graham 2016: Eh -- Close Enough


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 18, 2014 11:34 AM (kdS6q)

355 All this talk is just hot air till after the midterms and that is where our efforts should be focused

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 11:34 AM (t3UFN)

356 If this were 1980, I'd agree with you 100%.In 2014/16, ideas don't mean shit anymore. Remember who the average voter is. They haven't got a clue about anything. They need shiny objects and cool slogans to be impressed. Ideas about liberty, freedom, rule of law....not so much.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 18, 2014 03:31 PM (0LHZx)


I generally agree with you, and in fact think it's the reason Hillary won't be the nominee. She's not a shiny new object and she's one of the least charismatic politicians on the national stage. The best writers in the world won't be able to come up with slogans that sound 'cool' coming out of granny Clinton.


The MFM will dump her fatass the second a shiny new candidate throws his/her/it's hat in the ring, just as they did in 2008.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 18, 2014 11:35 AM (W7ffl)

357 The war is on. First we take the party back. Then we take the country. All this is necessary. I truly believe we have the chance to finish what Reagan started. Posted by: prescient11 at February 18, 2014 02:55 PM (tVTLU) Before we can do either, we have to take back the means of communicating with the American people so that we are on at least an equal footing with the Liberal Propaganda agents who pretend to be news and entertainment providers. It's currently a one sided monopoly.

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 18, 2014 11:35 AM (bb5+k)

358 "If the GOP goes Bush again, I hope it is prepared to savor a real stomping of a loss. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ at February 18, 2014 03:29 PM (HsTG " Might not be much worse than what we went through in 2012. There is a lot of Bush nostalgia from people who should know better, but for what ever reason don't. I'm not convinced Hillary pulls the trigger on running, she may have some health issues, and she's just playing coy. But if she does and we end up with a Bush/Clinton race, good grief, how depressing. As for the Palin fans, I like her just fine, but we need to come to grips that the media hit on her is something she will never recover from. She hasn't done herself any favors in the interim. I would like her very much to run for Senate up in AK, but there isn't enough money in it I guess compared to being a c list celebrity. She will never be a a viable candidate for anything again.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 18, 2014 11:35 AM (n/ogz)

359 As for the Palin fans, I like her just fine, but we need to come to grips that the media hit on her is something she will never recover from. She hasn't done herself any favors in the interim. I would like her very much to run for Senate up in AK, but there isn't enough money in it I guess compared to being a c list celebrity. She will never be a a viable candidate for anything again. Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 18, 2014 03:35 PM (n/ogz) Ditto

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 11:36 AM (t3UFN)

360 I'd like Romney if he wasn't such a complete pussy.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at February 18, 2014 11:37 AM (+9xNn)

361 But bluntly, I don't think Romney is interested in doing it again for the third time. Posted by: looking closely at February 18, 2014 03:31 PM (PwGfd) Agreed, and I'm certainly not interested in him running again, but as you said, compared to some names being thrown around we could do a lot worse.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 18, 2014 11:37 AM (n/ogz)

362

@309 And I don't mean lost a primary then came back again. I mean, won the primary, lost the general, then came back and won the general the next time.

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Nixon didn't win the next general election, though.  He skipped the '64 election.

 

Grover Cleveland was actually a sitting president who lost his reelection campaign, and then won the subsequent general election four years later.

 

Posted by: junior at February 18, 2014 11:37 AM (UWFpX)

363 There. Is. Only. One.

Posted by: CAC at February 18, 2014 11:43 AM (VtBK8)

364 "The only time McCain ran ahead of Obama was when he was letting Palin do her thing. "

And then she quit her one job that qualified her for VP, took easy jobs on Fox News, hid behind Facebook, helped "Wacko Bird!" get reelected, and paid lots of PAC money to consultants after railing against them.

She's a phony who needs to go away.

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 18, 2014 11:44 AM (qiXMt)

365 "EG, how many times has Newt Gingrich run now, and he actually won the Republican primary in SC last cycle. . .who could have seen that one coming?" Redstate and CNN through Eric Erickson badgered Perry to drop out and howled about what a dumbass he was along with Rove and FOX.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:47 AM (Y92Nd)

366 In 2008, the post-convention bounce was due to and contained within Sarah Palin's sweater.

Posted by: zombie at February 18, 2014 03:18 PM (+cx5n)

 

The logic doesn't follow. You're saying Palin's major political assets were/are her good looks and nice figure even after watching clips of her campaign speeches at the time, the way she held the crowd--and held her own against that slimy douchebag, Joe Biden, in the 2008 VP debates. Her speeches--and her performance as Alaska governor--belie the pretty face, empty headed stereotype that's been foisted on her.

 

Romney is a handsome guy. Has he come as far as he's come on the basis of his good looks? How about Gerald Ford? Ever seen pictures of Ford when he was younger? He made JFK look like a geeky wallflower at the prom. And then of course there's Reagan, a movie star. Was their success based on a lookism bias? No? If not, why not?

Posted by: troyriser at February 18, 2014 11:47 AM (V9ol4)

367 "Forget the Lawyers, we have to kill all the educators first

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 18, 2014 02:52 PM (t3UFN)"



I am guessing that you are facetious but as numerous people have posted, it is nearly impossible to overcome the overwhelming media bias that characterizes print and broadcast media today.  Perhaps it is time to start killing producers and editors at the networks and big city newspapers.  It wouldn't be necessary to kill that many of them since, as their fear of Muslim reprisal has demonstrated, they are cowards who's defense of their journalistic principals ends at the first whiff of a real threat.



The problem, of course, is not that political murder is not effective as a tactic but that it is condemned by Christianity which constrains the behavior of most conservatives in the United States.  Still, it would not take that many individuals who were undeterred by Christian commandments and who would be willing to kill a few of the top people at the New York Times and several network news organizations to properly scare them into a more evenhanded behavior.  Once would not be enough, however after the third incident, they would discover a strange new respect for balance in news reporting.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at February 18, 2014 11:47 AM (BcCwi)

368 I wish Romney would run again, just to see all the exploding heads.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 18, 2014 11:49 AM (QIQ6j)

369 Seven in ten of those who voted for Ubama regret doing so? Well, I regret it too. And I voted for the other guys who ran against (sorta) Ubama.

Posted by: Erowmero at February 18, 2014 11:49 AM (OONaw)

370 "Cruz/Martinez" On what fucking planet does a backbencher junior senator trump a twice-elected blue state governor? Martinez is no Hillary, and Republicans don't support dream tickets.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:54 AM (Y92Nd)

371  Once would not be enough, however after the third incident, they would discover a strange new respect for balance in news reporting.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at February 18, 2014 03:47 PM (BcCwi)

 

Oh, right, death squads: an idea whose time has come. You can go to hell, hero. We don't do fucking death squads.

Posted by: troyriser at February 18, 2014 11:54 AM (V9ol4)

372 Palin did better against Biden than Paul Ryan. That said, she needs to win a senate race after resigning from the governor's office before running for POTUS.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at February 18, 2014 11:56 AM (Y92Nd)

373 "One thing Pop taught me was to try to think the way others around you are thinking" - Michael Corleone Remember that the vast majority of voters out there couldn't tell who Boehner or Ryan are, just that the Republicans in Congress are getting in the way of "doing things" They will base their ideas on what Jimmy Fallon, Jon Stewart, Oprah, or their favorite celebrity tell them they should be Barring a sudden and unexpected mass psychological rejection of the media (a phenomenom that is possible, but unpredictable), the next President will be voted on the perception of "who cares about people like me". The media complex will probably convince at least 50.1 percent of the voters that Hillary! truly cares about people like them If you're going to invade France, know that there's a lot of the enemy waiting for you on the other side and many of you will never even make it to the beach. Karl Rove and the GOPe have already told Hillary that they'll be at Utah Beach at 6 am June the 6th if she still wants to meet them there

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2014 11:57 AM (aTXUx)

374 I think Willard would do the most good as governor of Hawaii, especially if all the feral hogs got the ghey cancer haircut.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at February 18, 2014 12:00 PM (kxSZr)

375 Hey, any of you linguists out there, answer me this. If the letter "j" was not invented before the 16th Century, what did these ancient geniuses come up with January, June and July?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 18, 2014 12:06 PM (OPzNA)

376 “Now I get it every day — from the grass roots, and from donors. I get it every day.” Do us all a favor, and ignore them.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at February 18, 2014 12:06 PM (vd7A8)

377 Does it matter if I regret that the dumbasses voted for him?

Posted by: the Butcher at February 18, 2014 12:41 PM (8g9qq)

378 Hey, any of you linguists out there, answer me this. If the letter "j" was not invented before the 16th Century, what did these ancient geniuses come up with January, June and July?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 18, 2014 04:06 PM (OPzNA)

The names of those three months all originally began with an "i", as did the two people and one god they were named after.

Posted by: CQD at February 18, 2014 12:43 PM (L9te5)

379 The names of those three months all originally began with an "i", as did the two people and one god they were named after.

Posted by: CQD at February 18, 2014 04:43 PM (L9te5)

Or two gods and one person; it all depends on which story you believe about the month of June.

Posted by: CQD at February 18, 2014 01:27 PM (L9te5)

380 Dear Morons,

I met Gov. Romney at the SLC airport last month. We had been upgraded to first class because of luck (I guess) due to first polar vortex into Atlanta and missing cancelled flight the day before. As I am pretty spaced out in the mornings prior to tea bolus, I was staring into space prior to boarding. A gentleman, approached unseen in my peripheral vision, asked me if we were boarding yet. I said no then looked into the man's face and, surreal, it was Gov. Romney. I managed a "Pleasure to meet you, Mr. Romney" and shook his hand (rude, I know, to forget title, but, hey, I did not belch or honk in shock). We spoke for a brief time...and, honest injun, you could not ask for a friendlier and more humble man. My husband then showed up with water and pastries and I introduced them and he was as shocked as I was (it is pretty weird to have someone you have seen on teevee just appear and speak to you without warning or seeing in the distance approaching you). He was without entourage or assistants or hoopla. He walks really, really fast (carries own bags, unlike the Baron Baroque), and people would pass him at the airport and you could see !?! "That was Mitt!?!" And a few, one a retired military man, approached him with thanks and a handshake. He was polite and cheerful to all who approached him, and it was not phony crap, either.

So, before anyone gets all "He flew first class! What a jerk! He is a millionaire! What a jerk!" I want to remind you of all the millionaires who have private planes and fly with assistants to carry their bags and wipe their noses and iReggies and Huma's. His bags, by the way, were not expensive. Mine probably cost more than his. I am actually, from what I read about him in the past, surprised his did not have duct tape on it...and that could explain why he carried his larger overhead bag vs using the wheels. On the flight he kept to himself and no one made any attempt to pester him. The other bag he carried looked even less expensive and, gasp, sort of nylon bowling ball or gym bag.

Attack me if you will, as I don't give a rat's derriere what anyone thinks, but he would have made a far better president, as a businessman and overall decent man (and I consider myself and husband a good judge of character even on first introduction I am rarely wrong).

I wish he had had the chance to prove me right or wrong if he was the guy to pull us up from the swirling toilet. There again, anyone would be an improvement.
 Bite moi #honeybadger/not care. I would vote for him again should he run. I was one of the daily people who asked, by the way, and he broke eye contact, laughing, and said "no." For what that is worth. I, ChristyB, tried to talk him into running. And, ladies, he is good looking and typically I do not notice these thinks that early in the morning.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Duchess of Something at February 18, 2014 01:29 PM (baL2B)

381 Don't doubt it one bit, he wasn't my first, second or third choice, but I think he would have been a pretty good president. Certainly better than the alternative presented. I believe he probably does wear costco jeans.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 18, 2014 04:13 PM (gl2Yt)

382 "As for Obama's enthusiasm about invading Libya . . . well, that continues to mystify me.  Obama's silence has been most pointed and damaging when it comes to naturally occurring democratic movements within a despotic state."

I think I found the answer when I was investigating Saddam's WMD.  Saddam and Ghaddafi were interested in controlling Mauritania, a Western-Sahara country that is within missile range of the US.  Both Iraq and Libya were very busy developing long-range missiles, nukes, and sarin gas.  A simple plan was the scud-bundle, consisting of 4 or 5 scud missiles bolted together.  Scuds are Russian variants of the Nazi V-2 missile, and are well-tested.

The plan was to hide mobile launchers in the Western Sahara mountains, using whatever WMD they had.  The US would be hard pressed to find and destroy all these missiles before some hit the continental USA.

After Saddam stopped hanging around, Gaddafi and Iran were in cahoots with Al Qaida in the W. Sahara. New players, new missiles and WMD, but basically the same plan.

Then two things happened.  The US and NATO went after Libya and deposed/terminated Gaddafi.  And France attacked Al Qaida in Mali, Mauritania, etc.  That conflict is still ongoing.

The US and NATO won't tell the public why Libya was attacked. They like secrecy, and they dislike admitting military vulnerability.  The MSM cooperated by NEVER ASKING WHY LIBYA.

These secrets are not hidden.  I googled Mauritania +Libya and found Gaddafi had spent years trying to control the Western Sahara.  And now Iran is trying the same strategy.

So that's the best theory I have about WHY LIBYA.

Posted by: DemocracyRules at February 19, 2014 11:44 PM (U4Wxk)

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