January 06, 2014

Rep. Peter King: Rand Paul Doesn't Deserve to be a US Senator
— Ace

Rand Paul announced he was filing a class action lawsuit against the "generalized warrant" regime of the current NSA.

“The question here is whether or not, constitutionally, you can have a single warrant apply to millions of people,” Paul said. “So we thought, what better way to illustrate the point than having hundreds of thousands of Americans sign up for a class action suit.”

Paul said he began collecting signatures about six months ago, and says it’s “kind of an unusual class-action suit” because everyone in America who has a cell phone is eligible to join in the legal action, he said.

He added that Ken Cuccinelli, the current attorney general of Virginia who ran for governor last year, is part of the initiativeÂ’s legal team.

...

Ultimately, the freshman senator says he wants President Obama to follow the constitution.

Paul said we "fought a Revolution" against government abuses such as the generalized warrant.

Peter King, generally a RINO, is "conservative" on one issue, and that issue is non-IRA terrorism, always arguing for the most maximalist response to terrorist threats. He says Rand Paul is spreading "lies" and "fear" about the NSA.

Appearing on Fox News Channel on Sunday, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) defended the National Security Agency from attacks on its intelligence gathering practices. He specifically said the charges made against the NSA by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) are “lies” and that he “doesn’t deserve to be a U.S. Senator.”

“Rand Paul does not know what he’s talking about,” King said after being asked to respond to Paul’s comments about the NSA. “And, Rand Paul is really spreading fear among the American people.”


“He was also was comparing General [James] Clapper to [Edward] Snowden,” King continued. “To me, he’s either totally uninformed or he’s part of that hate America crowd that I thought left us in the 1960s.”

“In any event, he doesn’t deserve to be in the United States senate for spreading that type of misperception and absolute lies to be honest with you,” the congressman concluded.

Video of King's Fox appearance at the link, which begins with a portion of Rand Paul's statements.

King insists that no "content" of cell phone calls is being listened to, except when a known terrorist calls a US citizen. I don't know if that's true. But it is not true that the NSA is not gathering content on US citizens' cell phone activity via this "generalized warrant." All your so-called "metadata" (location, call history, etc.) is being gathered in a dragnet and stored, potentially forever.

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1 I am sick to death of Peter King and his ilk. STFU!

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 06, 2014 10:34 AM (bCEmE)

2 I need a hazmat when I watch him on TV.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:34 AM (IXrOn)

3 Peter King supported the murder of innocents by the IRA. He should be horsewhipped and kicked in the nuts for forty-five years straight before being allowed to pontificate about terrorism.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 06, 2014 10:34 AM (xJS2Q)

4 I don't care about Peter King either. Last remnant of the U.S. as Global cop element of the GOP.

Posted by: Mallamutt at January 06, 2014 10:34 AM (qVip+)

5 Someone needs to take King aside and tell him to STFU.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:35 AM (KuZ6A)

6 I liked representative King better when his head was firmly implanted in his ass.

Posted by: Hop Sing, cook and cattle rustler, babysitter and bottle washer. at January 06, 2014 10:35 AM (jz5GV)

7 My senator Rand Paul is worth 1000 peter kings.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:36 AM (KuZ6A)

8
Another congressman whose time has come to retire.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 06, 2014 10:36 AM (MaP11)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:36 AM (PYAXX)

10 RINO King. Bag of d*cks. Some assembly required.

Posted by: speedster1 on the iPad at January 06, 2014 10:36 AM (noB3y)

11 His statements are so personal. As many were from other congressman/women against Cruz. Sick of these guys. What's driving this? Fear?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:36 AM (IXrOn)

12 Peter King, generally a RINO, is "conservative" on one issue, and that issue is non-IRA terrorism,


Yeah, and there's the key part. If it's not terrorism when the boyos do it then I don't want to hear from you on the general subject of terrorism.

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 10:37 AM (RD7QR)

13 So what the hell did Sharon Angle and Delaware what's her name say to make them crazies, while Peter King is a respected (though not by me) politician?

Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 06, 2014 10:37 AM (7v8o1)

14 The problem with an agency like the NSA is that it has to build and establish trust. Because it's secretive, once that trust is lost, it's lost forever. Peter King being their staunch defender does not help matters.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 10:37 AM (xSegX)

15 Oh. I guess Rep. Peter King is one, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:37 AM (PYAXX)

16 For the record, Rep. King, I'd much rather the NSA record only the content of my conversations than the metadata. As I explained when this first came out- it doesn't take long for that metadata to tell them far more the the content ever could.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:38 AM (PYAXX)

17 How viciously the establishment Republicans tear at the younger, more conservative Republicans.  They act as if they want to feed the conservative Republicans to a pack of starving dogs.

Posted by: kathysaysso at January 06, 2014 10:38 AM (6H6o8)

18 It's very simple: People still don't know how to comb through terabytes of information for useful data when names are not known. However, if names are known, it's very easy to find what you need. Especially if they're not shadowy terrorists but just candidates for office in the other party.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 10:38 AM (xSegX)

19 We definitely think he deserves to be our Senator. The NSA doesn't need all that info... Unless they have plans for it... And those plans won't be good for us. Waves at Trudie and Bob at the NSA. Get a real job.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:38 AM (KuZ6A)

20 If we can't keep our freedoms as we work to ensure our safety and security, then why are we fucking bothering?

Posted by: eman at January 06, 2014 10:39 AM (EWsrI)

21 And on the subject of the NSA, they're always going to want to do more and more because they're a bureaucracy that wants to expand. It was up to the national security courts to rein them in and they failed, utterly.

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 10:39 AM (RD7QR)

22 Wasn't it the Democrats who prided themselves on protection of personal freedoms and resistance of governmental controls? Now it's just blind obedience!

Posted by: CmdrRayGun at January 06, 2014 10:40 AM (6Krf5)

23 They act as if they want to feed the conservative Republicans to a pack of starving dogs. We are hungry!

Posted by: Pack of Mainstream Starving Mutts at January 06, 2014 10:40 AM (QF8uk)

24 How viciously the establishment Republicans tear at the younger, more conservative Republicans. They act as if they want to feed the conservative Republicans to a pack of starving dogs. Posted by: kathysaysso at January 06, 2014 02:38 PM (6H6o Peter King is my type of Republican!

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at January 06, 2014 10:40 AM (XvHmy)

25 Pete King thinks the hate America crowd was left behind in the 60's? They're fucking running the country now!

Posted by: JEK at January 06, 2014 10:40 AM (SGQPZ)

26 Supporting the Irish in general makes King suspect.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 10:40 AM (DpEwG)

27 ot rush just mentioning that Mooch is staying behind in Hawaii in Oprah's house, with Gayle, Holder's wife, Valerie Jarrett... puke

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:40 AM (IXrOn)

28 Supporting the Irish in general makes King suspect. Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 02:40 PM (DpEwG) heh. You always make us laugh.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:41 AM (IXrOn)

29 The only reason King is such a hawk on terrorism is because he is from NY and views NY as a perpetual terror target. Other than that he is just a loudmouth tub of goo.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 10:41 AM (g1DWB)

30 It would help King's case if they used the data to catch terrorists and did not miss the easy ones like Hasan and the Tsarnaevs. The Obama policy is to ignore then deny Islamic terrorism. Makes one wonder what the data is really for.

Posted by: Beagle at January 06, 2014 10:41 AM (++ex3)

31 ...and that issue is non-IRA terrorism..." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ouch, nice way to slip that in Ace.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 10:41 AM (LSJmV)

32 Peter King has got to go.  Exiled.  Banished.  Shunned into getting out of politics  and the news limelight   all together.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 06, 2014 10:42 AM (BAS5M)

33 ot
rush just mentioning that Mooch is staying behind in Hawaii in Oprah's house, with Gayle, Holder's wife, Valerie Jarrett...

puke

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 02:40 PM (IXrOn)


I'm sure I won't have to mention to the Horde the lascivious possibilities of that particular gathering. (Oh, and what has been imagined cannot be unimagined.)

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 10:42 AM (RD7QR)

34 They act as if they want to feed the conservative Republicans to a pack of starving dogs. Wellll, if we're talking RINO, then maybe just strap him to the top of a car...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:42 AM (IXrOn)

35 Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 02:42 PM (RD7QR) Where are the kaiju when you need 'em?

Posted by: AMDG at January 06, 2014 10:42 AM (t7OO0)

36 Get a real job.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 02:38 PM (KuZ6A)


We're making high-five to low-six figure salaries and get to see your bank balance, health records, and what pron you're watching online.  Doesn't get more real than that.


Oh yeah, you need to tilt your webcam up a little more.

Posted by: Trudie and Bob at January 06, 2014 10:43 AM (L8r/r)

37 I think it's awesome that the same government that uses the IRS to go after the Tea Party has access to millions of people's cell phone records.

Posted by: Peter King at January 06, 2014 10:43 AM (pginn)

38 Would the NSA lie about what they're doing? Yeah, they would.

Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2014 10:43 AM (xWW96)

39 King repeated his spew on Morning Schmoe this morning, while the Schmoe crew wet their pants over him as usual. The Morning Schmoe "questioning" of King always runs like this: "Tell us more about how eeeeevil your own party is." I stand with Rand.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 10:43 AM (7ObY1)

40 These evermore expanding federal programs are self protecting, they all want to keep their cushy jobs with no accountability, and they will crush us to do it.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:43 AM (KuZ6A)

41 Peter King, Rachel Maddow and that Barack fella are wonderful Americans.



Posted by: Juan McCain at January 06, 2014 10:43 AM (wmU4G)

42 Let Rand Paul go wild. Unleash the Cruz. I don't care anymore.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:44 AM (IXrOn)

43 MY EYES!! MY EYES!!

Posted by: Godzirra, upon beholding Oprah, Mooch, et al. at January 06, 2014 10:44 AM (RD7QR)

44 I was struck by the emotional, personal attack as well. That's a huge tell.

Posted by: Fred at January 06, 2014 10:44 AM (P1Tw6)

45 My senator Rand Paul is worth 1000 peter kings.

Your equation implies that the worth of both senators has the same polarity.

And it's not OCD, it has to be in alphabetical order CDO.


Posted by: SpongeBobCramer at January 06, 2014 10:45 AM (kxSZr)

46 Nothing infuriates a RINO crony-corporatist more than calling them out on their anti-freedom bullshit.

Posted by: Hur at January 06, 2014 10:45 AM (pginn)

47 Privacy means being able to remove cells from your uterus. That's all. You' re welcome.

Posted by: liberals at January 06, 2014 10:45 AM (hFL/3)

48 Peter KING. Get it?

Posted by: Mega at January 06, 2014 10:45 AM (hHFOx)

49 I support Rand Paul for president.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 10:45 AM (Y92Nd)

50 Ogg find bug in cave once.
Ogg smashed bug .
Ogg think P king should be smashed like Chinese Duck .

Posted by: Ogg of Cave 7 at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (5wdHt)

51 (Oh, and what has been imagined cannot be unimagined.) Dude. There are some things that just *shouldn't* be pondered. Now where am I going to get that sanity back?

Posted by: C'thullu at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (PYAXX)

52 I saw General Warrant, a Warrant cover band, at the county fair in '92. There was no opening act.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (LSJmV)

53 Dear Rep. King, FUCK YOU. Thanks

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (0LHZx)

54

If Peter King was not a NY Congress critter with access to the NY media, he would be just another no name hack politician.    His access to the NY media and his willingness to say something they find acceptable are what make him a 'national security expert'

 

Mostly that he says something the media in NY find acceptable. 

Posted by: rd at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (D+lxs)

55 >>Your equation implies that the worth of both senators has the same polarity. King is a Rep.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (g1DWB)

56 Dear Trudie and Bob at NSA, Will be glad to tilt the webcam,by the way Mastectomy,hahaha enjoy.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:46 AM (KuZ6A)

57 "The only reason King is such a hawk on terrorism is because he is from NY and views NY as a perpetual terror target. Other than that he is just a loudmouth tub of goo."

I'll go one further.  Peter King is only a "Republican" because it's a tried and true way for "moderate" Northeastern Democrats to get their asses elected against a field that is completely devoid of conservatives and chock full of stark raving looney socialists.  It's triangulation.

Posted by: Jaws at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (4I3Uo)

58 King insists that no "content" of cell phone calls is being listened to, except when a known terrorist calls a US citizen. I don't know if that's true. But it is not true that the NSA is not gathering content on US citizens' cell phone activity via this "generalized warrant." Challenge to Rep King: Release the metadata on your communications including all the representative data channels the NSA watches. Release the twenty most contacted people's metadata as well. Let's see how innocuous that information is, and how much it reveals. I guarantee he'll never ever ever do it. Why? Because that data reveals a whole crapload of information.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (4QSOR)

59 Crap, bad grammar. Nothing infuriates a RINO crony-corporatist more than calling them him out on their his anti-freedom bullshit. That's better.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (pginn)

60 Pretty sure Peter King is at around 88% with Top Critics on Rotten Potatoes.

Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (vlpVB)

61 The only reason King is such a hawk on terrorism is because he is from NY and views NY as a perpetual terror target. Other than that he is just a loudmouth tub of goo. Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 02:41 PM (g1DWB) Nope. Just 911 money. That is all.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (Y92Nd)

62 Your equation implies that the worth of both senators has the same polarity. Are you saying that Rand Paul is with the |1000(Pete King)|?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (PYAXX)

63 “In any event, he doesn’t deserve to be in the United States senate for spreading that type of misperception and absolute lies to be honest with you,” the congressman concluded. "Deserves" has got nothing to do with it, asshole. The only qualifications for Senator are that he be thirty years old, a resident of the state he is elected to represent, and a citizen for the last nine years. As fucking lame as it is, that's a HIGHER hurdle to clear than that which is required to hold YOUR bullshit job, fatass. Fuck your fake comity and collegiality. You're a bunch of pimps luring us into an alley to rob us blind. Suck a basket of cock, you turkey-necked, dago-haired lifer.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (CJjw5)

64 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 02:46 PM (KuZ6A)


Bob has some weird fetishes.

Posted by: Trudie at the NSA at January 06, 2014 10:47 AM (L8r/r)

65
But I thought Republicans like him wanted the GOP to be a Big Tent?

Yeah, that's all bullshit.

Posted by: dan-O at January 06, 2014 10:48 AM (D0bIN)

66
If King thinks Rand doesn't "deserve" to be in the Senate, then he should do something about it under the law. But of course, he won't lift a finger except to squalk on the Sunday talking head shows that almost no one watches, because he's a fucking pussy.

Pussssssyyyyyyy.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2014 10:48 AM (TIIx5)

67 What a sack of dung. Nobody's following the style guide for David "Unindicted Felon" Gregory, I don't suppose we can get one for Peter "IRA Terror Supporter" King?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 06, 2014 10:48 AM (qyfb5)

68 New York IS a perpetual terrorist target. God is not without a sense of irony.

Posted by: maddogg at January 06, 2014 10:49 AM (xWW96)

69 49 I support Rand Paul for president. Given the current field, I concur. My major stumbling block has been his old man and the loonies he actively embraced. But as of right now, Rand's my guy.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 10:49 AM (7ObY1)

70 But I thought Republicans like him wanted the GOP to be a Big Tent? They do want it to be a big tent. They just want the rightmost edge to end a little to the left of where it is now.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:49 AM (PYAXX)

71 Senate getting personal? I wonder if that has happened before. Would that be a 'tell', senators threatening each other personally.

Posted by: Bill Wednesday at January 06, 2014 10:49 AM (8RshS)

72 Supporting the Irish in general makes King suspect.
Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 02:40 PM (DpEwG)

I'm all for supporting the Irish, if it means they stay in Ireland.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 06, 2014 10:49 AM (XrGnJ)

73 Who needs enemies when you got King shooting holes in the tent from the inside.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (GeA5I)

74 They like me you imbecile, so long as I punch right and grant them "bi-partisan" credibility for their excess I am useful....other wise I am JUST a simple idiot

//Right Honorable Rep Pete "Dick" King

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (TE35l)

75 Metadata is a buzzword.


The constitutional violations throughout the entire system are clear as day for any American with open eyes.


The question is. What are we gonna do about it?


Kick ass, or chew bubble gum?

Posted by: Infrastructure at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (hLaCh)

76 This Peter King fellow sounds like he's our kind of chap.  Maybe he'd be interested in running for President in 2016?

Posted by: GOP Establishment at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (9GG/0)

77 "If Peter King was not a NY Congress critter with access to the NY media, he would be just another no name hack politician."

That's my bitch, why the fuck does FOX News give this asshole a platform? Or McCain or Graham or any of these self proclaimed National Security experts. Given their track record on policy these fucks shouldn't be considered experts at anything.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (IV4od)

78 Doesn't King, with his pathetic ambition, see Rand as a potential 2014 challenger? What a fucking doofus.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (Y92Nd)

79 Dear Trudie, Tell Bob to fcuk off.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:50 AM (KuZ6A)

80 One day soon, Rep. King will be as popular as King George III in America.  God willing.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (fA3u5)

81 King apparently feels his argument is a winning issue. It isn't.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (oFCZn)

82 King mistakenly senses that Republicans are disillusioned with the Tea Party and the evermore vocal Libertarian wing of the party.  He's trying to ride the front of a wave that's not there. 

Not a very perceptive guy, or smart for that matter.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (BZAd3)

83 Posted by: Bill Wednesday at January 06, 2014 02:49 PM (8RshS)


Well, they haven't started beating each other with canes.  Yet.  Unfortunately.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (L8r/r)

84 As a carryover from the last thread, this is the prick that "conservative" FOX News had on every day during the government shutdown.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (LSJmV)

85 Is Johnny Manziel a god-like figure? You decide :
http://tinyurl.com/mg3a4bz

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (DpEwG)

86 Peter King <----  Fuck this guy in particular
 
Our very own Alan Grayson. Loudmouthed obnoxious dirtbag.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 06, 2014 10:51 AM (wNF3N)

87 >>Senate getting personal? I wonder if that has happened before. Would that be a 'tell', senators threatening each other personally. See Sumner, Charles.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 10:52 AM (g1DWB)

88 But as of right now, Rand's my guy. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 02:49 PM (7ObY1) Scott Walker's been supporting Christie, lately. And, telling Tea Party supporters to target Democrats, not Republican or Conservative seats. A tell.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 10:52 AM (IXrOn)

89 That's my bitch, why the fuck does FOX News give this asshole a platform? Or McCain or Graham or any of these self proclaimed National Security experts. Given their track record on policy these fucks shouldn't be considered experts at anything. Posted by: lowandslow at January 06, 2014 02:50 PM (IV4od) _____________ Fox News is to RINOs what NBC is to Democrats. Why FNC is considered a "right wing" network by anyone is beyond me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 06, 2014 10:52 AM (0LHZx)

90 Who needs enemies when you got King shooting holes in the tent from the inside. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 02:50 PM (GeA5I) You tea party types need to leave Republican incumbents alone. This is no time for infighting.

Posted by: Scott Walker, Who Is Not So Secretly Running For President at January 06, 2014 10:52 AM (Y92Nd)

91 I can't get really outraged today In too good a humor after SVEN fest in last nights ONT. Maybe later lol.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:52 AM (KuZ6A)

92 Peter King is not a Republican. He's a Democrat with a 3x5" card with the word "Republican" written on it in crayon pinned to his suit pocket.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at January 06, 2014 10:53 AM (qyfb5)

93 King mistakenly senses that Republicans are disillusioned with the Tea Party and the evermore vocal Libertarian wing of the party. He's trying to ride the front of a wave that's not there. I don't think it's that. I think he (and other Establishment GOPers) are actively trying to delegitimize even having TEA Party-like opinions; they're trying to kill off the TEA Parties. It Won't Do to have people like that icky Rand Paul or Ted Cruz in Congress, after all.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:53 AM (PYAXX)

94 how do we rid the party of these people? oh wait........we have to leave.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Epiphany at January 06, 2014 10:53 AM (u8GsB)

95 I prefer to list his name as King, Peter because he's a Royal Prick.

Posted by: --- at January 06, 2014 10:53 AM (MMC8r)

96 85 Is Johnny Manziel a god-like figure? You decide :
http://tinyurl.com/mg3a4bz

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 02:51 PM (DpEwG)


As if I needed another reason to hate his guts.

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 10:53 AM (RD7QR)

97 "81 King apparently feels his argument is a winning issue.   It isn't."

To the majority of the left or the right, but the these fucks live in their own bubble.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (IV4od)

98 Ultimately, the freshman senator says he wants President Obama to follow the constitution.






The nerve of some people. Follow the constitution. How racist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (1Jaio)

99 Why FNC is considered a "right wing" network by anyone is beyond me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 06, 2014 02:52 PM (0LHZx)


Liberals do, by projection, because they see MSNBC as explicitly left-wing and simply think Fox is the mirror image.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (9GG/0)

100 Remember that time when King and the RINOs said that the Dems who voted on Obamacare and forced Americans to pay for it in true King George style  were not worthy to be in Congress?

yeah, me neither.

cowards.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (5ikDv)

101 As many were from other congressman/women against Cruz.

Sick of these guys.

What's driving this? Fear?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 02:36 PM (IXrOn)

 

 

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Yes.  Very much so.   They see a large segment of America waking up.  People like King want us all asleep.  It's easier to rob us when we're asleep.

 

People like Cruz, Paul, the other King dude  have set the  klaxxon horn blaring.

Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (oxyxf)

102 88 artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 02:52 PM (IXrOn)

Yeah a rather telling tell no pun intended....

I think I am getting a message..."we get to do what we want against YOUR interests do not vote against OURS-The GOP"

//The Amazing Karnak

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (TE35l)

103 Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 02:50 PM (KuZ6A)


I tell him that all the time.  He's a real creeper.

Posted by: Trudie at the NSA at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (L8r/r)

104 65
But I thought Republicans like him wanted the GOP to be a Big Tent?

Yeah, that's all bullshit.

Posted by: dan-O at January 06, 2014 02:48 PM (D0bIN)

 

Of course they want it to be a Big Tent.  But they must be the ringmaster.  And you must do only what they want.  And if you don't they will seek to take you down.  Especially if your goal is to do exactly what the GOP supposedly stands for.

Posted by: buzzion at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (LI48c)

105 thank you new york....you continuously prove how out of touch you are by the votes you cast

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Epiphany at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (u8GsB)

106 But ace, Gabe said they aren't taking location data. I disagree heavily with his lawyer reading of the ruling (I think they are, they're taking trunk data, which has locations included in it.) But that's what the Blog Lawyer says. Why don't you believe him?!

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 06, 2014 10:54 AM (GaqMa)

107 Fourth Horseman - For a Few Sven More.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 10:55 AM (GeA5I)

108 94 how do we rid the party of these people? oh wait........we have to leave..... When I left the GOP last year, I wanted to register "Whig." But they wouldn't let me, so I had to choose "Independent."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 10:55 AM (7ObY1)

109 I don't agree with Rand Paul about wartime surveillance. That's about as harsh as I get about it. Peter King is an attack dog for a bunch of crooks. He's a crook himself; I'm sure we all remember his redface barking on the floor of Congress, demanding America borrow money to give to New York to spare New York the cost of borrowing itself.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 06, 2014 10:55 AM (5xmd7)

110 Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 02:51 PM (DpEwG) I dunno about "God-like figure" but he has good taste in the wimmins.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 10:55 AM (PYAXX)

111 part of that hate America crowd that I thought left us in the 1960s.

I guess Rep King is not paying attention to the Democrats in Washington...to say nothing of the current occupant of the White House.

Posted by: Null at January 06, 2014 10:55 AM (xjpRj)

112 None of us are safe until we all have microphones up our squeak holes and keep journals of our bowel movements.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 06, 2014 10:56 AM (XUKZU)

113 OT I love this 150 Years After People show on H2.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 10:56 AM (Y92Nd)

114 "King mistakenly senses that Republicans are disillusioned with the Tea Party and the evermore vocal Libertarian wing of the party."

In the NY/DC Bubble that King inhabits, this belief is Gospel.  It's as real to them as gravity is.

Posted by: Jaws at January 06, 2014 10:56 AM (4I3Uo)

115 Your move, Senator Cruz.

Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at January 06, 2014 10:56 AM (LSJmV)

116 Liberals do, by projection, because they see MSNBC as explicitly left-wing and simply think Fox is the mirror image. Posted by: chemjeff at January 06, 2014 02:54 PM (9GG/0) ______ That is true. But plenty of righties think FNC is conservative as well. It used to be looooong time ago. Today, it's maybe an inch to the right from NBCABCCBSNews but that's like saying this midget is 1/4 inch taller than all the other midgets.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 06, 2014 10:56 AM (0LHZx)

117 Legitimate question:  who  has taken a more negative  stance on conservatives, Pete King or MSNBC?

Posted by: BurtTC at January 06, 2014 10:56 AM (TOk1P)

118 113 OT I love this 150 Years After People show on H2.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 02:56 PM (Y92Nd)


Hrm. It always struck me as being a Deep Ecology masturbation fantasy.

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 10:57 AM (RD7QR)

119 I saw this pointed out on the HQ before: The Irish and IRA were crazy about Irish "liberation" from British control. An "independent Ireland". First chance they get, they join the EU.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 10:57 AM (xSegX)

120 None of us are safe until we all have microphones up our squeak holes and keep journals of our bowel movements. Posted by: WalrusRex at January 06, 2014 02:56 PM (XUKZU) You should keep every little turd in a jar for a year and then at the end of the year, open the jar, count the turds and remember all the good times from last year.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 10:57 AM (Y92Nd)

121 But ace, Gabe said they aren't taking location data.

but of course they're taking location data.  because it's *right there to be taken*.

The NSA declining to collect extra info is like the fat guy declining to get dessert from the buffet line.  Not terribly believable.

(and I say this as a fat guy )

Posted by: chemjeff at January 06, 2014 10:57 AM (9GG/0)

122 And in this vane, Republicans (not the party, but individuals) should encourage a Libertarian spinoff from the party, imo.  There are plenty of the old blue dog dems out there who would move towards Libertarians, but not many Republicans would move left, given obamacare and the whole socialist bent of the Dem party.  This would be a lose for some Repubs who should be gone anyway, but having some more Libertarians in congress would be overall good for Republicans because they would be more likely to vote right than left.  Overall, the new Libertarian party would take the heart out of the middle and be overall beneficial to the right.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 06, 2014 10:57 AM (BZAd3)

123 Paul and Cruz are simply doing what they were elected to do, what their constituents want them to do. Good lord what a novel idea we can't let that take hold. The inside the beltway crowd won't stand for this that's why the attacks on Paul and Cruz !

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 10:57 AM (KuZ6A)

124 119 I saw this pointed out on the HQ before:

The Irish and IRA were crazy about Irish "liberation" from British control. An "independent Ireland".

First chance they get, they join the EU.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 02:57 PM (xSegX)


And come to regret it 10 years later.

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 10:58 AM (RD7QR)

125 In that clip Manziel could have passed off for Eminem. Shows once again, money doesn't buy class.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 06, 2014 10:58 AM (0LHZx)

126 I've already said Peter King should be renditioned to the UK and tried like the pirate he is. So, this is me saying it again.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 06, 2014 10:58 AM (YJSRY)

127 118 joncelli at January 06, 2014 02:57 PM (RD7QR)

It is Paul Ehrlic's fertility clinic "private room" video loop....

"the Sear's Tower falling...oh ohhhhh ohhhhh *pop*"

//Paul "we're out of tin(foil) DERP!" Ehrlic

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 06, 2014 10:59 AM (TE35l)

128 That's my bitch, why the fuck does FOX News give this asshole a platform? Or McCain or Graham or any of these self proclaimed National Security experts. Given their track record on policy these fucks shouldn't be considered experts at anything. Posted by: lowandslow at January 06, 2014 02:50 PM (IV4od) ------------------------------------------- Because this potato-humping saltwater mick gives them access to the corridors of Congress. In return, they let him flap his knitted penis cozy on their network. Win-win for them.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 06, 2014 10:59 AM (CJjw5)

129 First chance they get, they join the EU. The British stationed armies in Ireland and gave them money. The EU just gives them money. I think. Does the EU even have a military?

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 06, 2014 10:59 AM (QF8uk)

130 Hrm. It always struck me as being a Deep Ecology masturbation fantasy. Even so, I find it to be a really cool show. I just tune out the eco-propagandizing and watch it for the cool stuff. Speaking of TV, I see there's now a History Channel show on Canada's Oak Island (aka The Money Pit.) Always been fascinated by that story. Pretty cool show. Watched the first episode this morning.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 11:00 AM (7ObY1)

131 Posted by: Mr. Powerstroke Super Duty 4X4 King Ranch Edition at January 06, 2014 02:56 PM (LSJmV) Never fails to crack me up.

Posted by: DangerGirl at January 06, 2014 11:00 AM (L2I78)

132 The EU has a 'military' if you call the brigades and such member nations loan it as a military.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (GeA5I)

133 Shows once again, money doesn't buy class. He had his class surgically removed to make room for more ego. Actually, that's harsh on him. He was a 19 yr-old (or was it 18?) Freshman QB who happened to be really, really good at the college game. Then A&M made it worse by playing up the "Johnny Football" angle and actively lobbying for him to win the Heisman. It's not particularly surprising to find him all screwed up and believing he's the most awesomest thing since the invention of awesome. Sad, but not particularly surprising.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (PYAXX)

134

OK, I signed up.

Hell I figure the NSA already has a ton of $hit on me just for visiting here....LOL

Posted by: Registered Voter at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (Hdbf3)

135 First chance they get, they join the EU. Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 02:57 PM (xSegX) And come to regret it 10 years later. Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 02:58 PM (RD7QR) I don't think that's such a bad tactic. The brits aren't going to take it too well when you dump them. So, team up with some other European countries. That's what we did in the US. And the EU isn't going to last that long, anyway. Buy some time.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (Y92Nd)

136 Peter King doesn't deserve to toss my salad. And speaking of salad. Pizza Hut is closed due to snow. I was stocked up for zero weeks on emergency rations. No good food here! Starving!

Posted by: UWP at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (2hQRj)

137 126 I've already said Peter King should be renditioned to the UK and tried like the pirate he is.

So, this is me saying it again.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at January 06, 2014 02:58 PM (YJSRY)


The dude's raised millions for the IRA. He's as much a murderer as the nastiest provo killer.

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (RD7QR)

138 I disagree heavily with his lawyer reading of the ruling (I think they are, they're taking trunk data, which has locations included in it.) Google found the NSA inside their inner network. The security firm that did the whitepaper on RSA encryption took $10 million to weaken the standard. That's in the Snowden leaks. This whole "it's sanitized metadata information" is a lie and misleading. Metadata reveals a TON of information on its own. The rest is being gathered any way they can, over every information channel possible.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 11:01 AM (4QSOR)

139 At least the cold will start leaving OK tomorrow.  South winds returning.

Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2014 11:02 AM (oxyxf)

140 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 02:57 PM (Y92Nd) Those tax commercials are obnoxious. "Remember all those good times you had this year? Yeah, go to your happy place while we fleece you again."

Posted by: AMDG at January 06, 2014 11:02 AM (t7OO0)

141 Anna Puma, I was laughing so hard last night I almost lost my breath, only the Horde is so witty. Love it.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 11:02 AM (KuZ6A)

142 Honest question. Why in the Hell is Fox putting that thick-skulled cretin forward as the GOP go to guy on NSA surveillance? He makes us look bloody terrible.

Posted by: Motorhead at January 06, 2014 11:03 AM (alyr8)

143 In that clip Manziel could have passed off for Eminem. Shows once again, money doesn't buy class. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 06, 2014 02:58 PM (0LHZx) Hehe. Yeah. Just goes to show, you can be butt ugly, but, if you're a jock...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 11:03 AM (IXrOn)

144 Hell I figure the NSA already has a ton of $hit on me just for visiting hereÂ….LOL YouÂ’re safe. Even we canÂ’t figure out how this blog works.

Posted by: Hackers of The NSA at January 06, 2014 11:03 AM (QF8uk)

145

I don't agree with Rand Paul about wartime surveillance.

 

But we're in an era of Permanent War. 

 

In actual wars we kicked Saddam's and the Taliban's asses in about six weeks each, then engaged the suck and became part of their problems.  And the War on Terror can never go away because homeland security is a bottomless hunger for money and power and intrusion into your lives. 

 

So, fuck this "wartime" shit.  We live in a world with bad guys whom we should try to stop, but we should not stop being a free people along the way.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 06, 2014 11:03 AM (A0sHn)

146 Deserve?!


That says it all right there.

Posted by: eleven at January 06, 2014 11:03 AM (KXm42)

147 Tea party: Do you expect us to moderate?

RINOfinger: No, Tea Party, I expect you to die.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 06, 2014 11:04 AM (XUKZU)

148 1 I am sick to death of Peter King and his ilk. STFU! Posted by: Tami at January 06, 2014 02:34 PM (bCEmE) Word, and shit. Beyond sick of his ilk.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 06, 2014 11:04 AM (I9cBP)

149 Even if they don't explicitly take location data, they still take "fellow traveler" data -- meaning they know what phones are near each other at what times. So they know who you meet with, and they've linked your left pocket burner cell phone to your right pocket registered phone.

Posted by: wooga at January 06, 2014 11:04 AM (G4vuy)

150 3 Peter King supported the murder of innocents by the IRA. He should be horsewhipped and kicked in the nuts for forty-five years straight before being allowed to pontificate about terrorism. Posted by: Inspector Cussword at January 06, 2014 02:34 PM (xJS2Q) I can do that job. For free.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 06, 2014 11:05 AM (I9cBP)

151 Fourth Horseman yep -

Words Michelle will never say, "Does this make me look too Sven?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 11:05 AM (GeA5I)

152 Actually, that's harsh on him. He was a 19 yr-old (or was it 18?) Freshman QB who happened to be really, really good at the college game. Then A&M made it worse by playing up the "Johnny Football" angle and actively lobbying for him to win the Heisman. ---------------------------- He has a bright of a future in the NFL as Florida's Chris Leak did, which is to say, none. And Leak won a National Championship. I look at this kid and cannot imagine him surviving against the monsters that will be rushing at him.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 06, 2014 11:05 AM (CJjw5)

153 The only difference between Schumer and King is the comb-over.

Posted by: drill_thrawl at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (/2ciC)

154 Those tax commercials are obnoxious. "Remember all those good times you had this year? Yeah, go to your happy place while we fleece you again." Posted by: AMDG at January 06, 2014 03:02 PM (t7OO0) Exactly what I was thinking of. That and the Facebook meme about the hope jar. I'm sure it's no coincidence. But anyway, I was like, "It's a fucking DIARY. Once upon a time, when we were literate and not attention seeking whores, we kept our personal lives to ourselves under lock and key. Now that is a quaint notion to be replaced by a JAR.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (Y92Nd)

155 I can do that job. For free. But wouldnÂ’t a Kickstarter be cool? ItÂ’s like it was made for that purpose.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (QF8uk)

156 Actually, that's harsh on him. He was a 19 yr-old (or was it 18?) Freshman QB who happened to be really, really good at the college game. Then A&M made it worse by playing up the "Johnny Football" angle and actively lobbying for him to win the Heisman.

It's not particularly surprising to find him all screwed up and believing he's the most awesomest thing since the invention of awesome. Sad, but not particularly surprising.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 03:01 PM (PYAXX)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

 

And then compare that to Oklahoma's J.C. Watts.  Highly intelligent, loves America, and humble.  When he said he'd served in congress long enough, he meant it and stepped down.

 

I'd vote for him if he'd run for office again.

Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (oxyxf)

157 >>Honest question. Why in the Hell is Fox putting that thick-skulled cretin forward as the GOP go to guy on NSA surveillance? He makes us look bloody terrible. Maybe because he was the head of the House Permanent Committee on Intelligence until he was term limited out and a huge supporter of the Patriot Act.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (g1DWB)

158 Irish potato famine? Tea Party plot™.

--- Peter King

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (DpEwG)

159

 

You can't convince me

Trashing the Constitution

Is "Conservative"

Posted by: Haiku Guy at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (bIy5N)

160 Then he's REALLY gonna be pissed when the dude is in the serious running for POTUS.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 06, 2014 11:06 AM (DmNpO)

161 Mike Huckabee tells me that Lindsey Graham is the Ronald Reagan of anti terrorism. Every freaking day.

Posted by: tmitsss at January 06, 2014 11:07 AM (oMAbH)

162 ref my last comment:

Another benefit a spinoff Libertarian party would have would be to reduce the Repub party infighting. 

The bad thing for the Repubs would be that insiders would be marginalized and they'd become the non-factor they should be, if I'm a barometer. 

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 06, 2014 11:07 AM (BZAd3)

163 So De Blasio's banning of horse-drawn carriage in NYC is just a political payoff for his large political donor who wants the land used as stables for the horses? Right next to Central Park. Prime real estate. If only there was some left-wing activist group who would agitate to force the land to be sold.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 06, 2014 11:07 AM (ZPrif)

164 Since we have a security arrangement with many Countries to stop Jihad terrorism the NSA World STASI State is essential to prevent attacks. Otherwise we might have terror bombings in Russia on the eve of the Olympics or massive AQ troop movements in Iraq. We might even have our diplomatic missions over run and ambassadors killed.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 06, 2014 11:07 AM (ihLTN)

165

"potato-humping saltwater mick"

 

EoJ, that's a good one.  Reminds me of an indirect hilarious slag on my ancestors (Irish) in National Lampoon's classic "Guide to Foreigners Around the World" from the 1970s (I think PJ O'Rourke must have done a lot of the writing).

 

In the "Arab" section, one of the nicknames listed was "desert Irish". 

 

King is a fairly good example of the very low level of quality the country has in its representation, especially in the GOP (the Dems are so bad they've fallen off the low end of the chart, incl. those I know personally).  Which, sadly, pretty much reflects the quality of those represented.  I fear.  I never spare the few non-retarded folks I ever talk to about matters political or national, always remind the it's their neighbors, family members, co-workers, and social circle that is responsible for the state of things, not "them" or some abstract political class.   A few have finally acknowledged this - and understandably it has depressed and deflated some of them to an appropriate extent.    

Posted by: non-purist at January 06, 2014 11:08 AM (afQnV)

166 I still have this image of ace freezing his ass off. He's probably blogging from some garret furnished with only a cot, a small wooden table/chair, and a wood burning stove. He's wearing a wool hat, a raggedly blanket around his shoulders, and pervy gloves. He had a cat but was forced to burn it to keep warm...that was sad. Ace's only company now is some hooker named Mimi. Mimi has consumption and coughs loogies out all over the place. It's very disgusting. But, ace puts up with it all to keep you assholes entertained...

Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 06, 2014 11:08 AM (Qev5V)

167 They most certainly are taking location data.  It doesn't have to be within 10 feet in accuracy, is all.  Accuracy is relative.  It doesn't have to be GPS accurate to have value, even in court.  It is enough to provide patterns of life and connections to others.

That's the value.

Posted by: grognard at January 06, 2014 11:08 AM (/29Nl)

168 142 Honest question. Why in the Hell is Fox putting that thick-skulled cretin forward as the GOP go to guy on NSA surveillance? He makes us look bloody terrible. (a) He probably asked to be on and no news network would turn down a member of Congress. (b) He's controversial and provocative. These things bring ratings. (c) Fox is actually a news (really, entertainment) network. It doesn't care one way or another how "we" look.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 06, 2014 11:08 AM (xSegX)

169 Follow the money.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 06, 2014 11:08 AM (ZPrif)

170 I think. Does the EU even have a military?

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 06, 2014 02:59 PM (QF8uk) No. They are a parasitic organism.

Posted by: tubal the bad at January 06, 2014 11:08 AM (YEQ2h)

171 In the "Arab" section, one of the nicknames listed was "desert Irish". You mean 'Sand-Mick'.

Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 11:09 AM (0nzVw)

172 I saw Rep King on FNN yesterday. He is (and always has been) an unattractive loudmouth if you ask me. His assurances regarding the US government’s current and future use of the data left me cold. Typical blowhard who shouts down anyone who questions him – cause anyone who argues with Peter King MUST be an idiot. OBVIOUSLY there is no way the NSA would ever use any of the data for anything other than to stop terrorists. Sure, right. I guess any doubt about that makes one paranoid. Not the biggest Rand Paul fan but King’s statement that he “doesn't deserve to be in the United States senate” made me want to donate money to the Paul campaign. Maybe I am a big Rand Paul fan after all.

Posted by: grandmalcaesar at January 06, 2014 11:09 AM (yrohn)

173 155 I can do that job. For free. But wouldnÂ’t a Kickstarter be cool? ItÂ’s like it was made for that purpose. Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at January 06, 2014 03:06 PM (QF8uk) A 40cc mounted weedwacker with a bolo in place of the spool? Excellent........

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at January 06, 2014 11:09 AM (I9cBP)

174 I wish I had as good a vacation plan as the NYC carriage horses do.  Five weeks of vacation in the countryside per year.  Its the law.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 11:09 AM (GeA5I)

175 Oh god Anna Puma I literally mean it I laughed so hard I started coughing and thought my lungs were gonna collapse. The Horde can dish it fast and furious I've never seen a smarter bunch on the web. That's why I like it here.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 11:09 AM (KuZ6A)

176

Ireland joined the EU?

 

Well, not the first time they teamed up with the Germans.  They were mighty cozy with them in the  late  30s and  early  40s as well. 

Posted by: BurtTC at January 06, 2014 11:09 AM (TOk1P)

177 He has a bright of a future in the NFL as Florida's Chris Leak did, which is to say, none. And Leak won a National Championship. Yeah. In a way, I feel sorry for the kid (not too sorry, though). Last year (well, year before last at this point) everyone was talking up how awesome he was- as though the rest of the team didn't matter. Then, this year, he starts believing their hype, and suddenly he's evil personified. But (and this is why "not too sorry"), he still bears responsibility for his behavior and decisions. He allowed himself to be surrounded by people who lifted him up as some "God-like figure" instead of people who would help him stay grounded.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:10 AM (PYAXX)

178 He's right, no part of any phone call is being listened to by anyone. Its being scanned for key words and phrases, which are then kicked to someone who sifts through them for relevance, then if its significant, it is kicked to someone who listens to the call and analyzes it.
But as Ace notes, that's not what Senator Paul is upset about. He's upset about the warrant, not the method of gathering data. In other words, Senator King is kicking a straw man and pointing at Senator Paul.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 06, 2014 11:10 AM (zfY+H)

179 "... that hate America crowd that I thought left us in the 1960s. ..." Apparently, we need mandatory drug testing in Congress. Wow.

Posted by: Optimizer at January 06, 2014 11:10 AM (saDM3)

180 Irish potato famine? Tea Party plot™.

--- Peter King

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 03:06 PM (DpEwG)

 

 

---------------------------------------------------

 

 

Iraqi  terrorist bombings -- Tea Party plot.

Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2014 11:10 AM (oxyxf)

181 Rep. King, yea you should see the stuff he's into. Midgets, amputees, trannys, bestial, necro, Scheiße - real eye-opening.

Posted by: NSA Lackey at January 06, 2014 11:10 AM (27KAF)

182 166
I still have this image of ace freezing his ass off. He's probably blogging from some garret furnished with only a cot, a small wooden table/chair, and a wood burning stove. He's wearing a wool hat, a raggedly blanket around his shoulders, and pervy gloves. He had a cat but was forced to burn it to keep warm...that was sad. Ace's only company now is some hooker named Mimi. Mimi has consumption and coughs loogies out all over the place. It's very disgusting. But, ace puts up with it all to keep you assholes entertained...

Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 06, 2014 03:08 PM (Qev5V)


As long as he doesn't bust out into an aria. (Oh, and just try to throw a cat on the fire and see where it gets you.)

Posted by: joncelli at January 06, 2014 11:11 AM (RD7QR)

183 21 degrees here on the Texas Gulf Coast tonight. The coldest that I've seen it here since it reached 17 degrees in '83. Gonna be a real sac-wrinkler.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 11:12 AM (LSJmV)

184 The Irish Republican Army and the Germans in WWII - Operation Kathleen.

Thank goodness most of the German spies who paddled to shore from the U-boats would go to the nearest pub and then open their mouths.  Made it easy for the British to scoop them up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 11:12 AM (GeA5I)

185 In other words, Senator King is kicking a straw man and pointing at Senator Paul. Important note, that. Rep. King is basically saying, "Terrorists exist, so we can ignore the Constitution." Senator Paul is basically saying, "Look, fine, do it. But get a warrant- a real, specific warrant- first."

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:13 AM (PYAXX)

186 Ace's only company now is some hooker named Mimi. Mimi has consumption and coughs loogies out all over the place. It's very disgusting. But, ace puts up with it all to keep you assholes entertained... Drew Carey's Mimi?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2014 11:14 AM (XCfYI)

187 http://spectator.org/blog/57345/de-blasios-horse-drawn-carriage-ban Mayor Bill de Blasio's promise to ban New York City's iconic horse-drawn carriages could backfire, exposing what the newly-elected mayor's critics suggest is a corruption scandal masquerading as an animal-rights crusade. Defenders of the carriage industry point to a real-estate executive who is one of de Blasio's major campaign donors as the driving force behind the effort to abolish the carriages. This apparent alliance between radical animal-rights activists and powerful real-estate interests may not be illegal, but the horse-and-carriage folks certainly view it as shady. Nislick is "like a villain straight out of Central Casting ... an evil genius," says Hughes. "He's got the animal-rights people doing his bidding."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 06, 2014 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

188 Fourth Horseman, yeah we kinda beat a dead Sven in that thread.  Or at least a sleeping Sven who never barked.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 06, 2014 11:14 AM (GeA5I)

189 He's upset about the warrant, not the method of gathering data. Sort of. The method of gathering data goes hand-in-hand with the warrant. They've got a general use case warrant that allows gathering all metadata and etc. The methods only work for pattern finding with Total Information Awareness. They've also tried to argue that because they're gathering info on everyone, nobody is singled out.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 11:14 AM (4QSOR)

190 You have to pay military pensions first? Fuck you, I want my damn Sandy money!!!

Posted by: Peter King of Pork (R-Citibank) at January 06, 2014 11:15 AM (aTXUx)

191 Hottest Women of 2013 According to Men's Health (100 pics)
http://tinyurl.com/choynu4

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 06, 2014 11:15 AM (DpEwG)

192 Important note, that. Rep. King is basically saying, "Terrorists exist, so we can ignore the Constitution." Totes kewl. Start lining the libs up against a wall then.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2014 11:15 AM (XCfYI)

193  21 degrees here on the Texas Gulf Coast tonight. The coldest that I've seen it here since it reached 17 degrees in '83.

Gonna be a real sac-wrinkler.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 03:12 PM (LSJmV)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Looks like your going to have to wear socks with your sandels.

Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2014 11:15 AM (oxyxf)

194 During the break from DC Senator Paul did free eye surgeries for those that could not afford them, he's well liked here in Kentucky. Wonder how many others in DC went home to do something constructive. He also seems so willing to listen to his constituents and then act on what they want. This is why they fear him.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at January 06, 2014 11:15 AM (KuZ6A)

195 Plaintiff Pug at January 06, 2014 03:08 PM (Qev5V)

Not true. Ace lives in a multimillion dollar palatial penthouse apartment in Manhattan. Has a private heliport on the roof. He made his millions while lawyering  for journalists which is why he is so well known, well respected and well connected. He knows *everybody* or anybody worth knowing. If Ace doesn't know you, you are not worth knowing.

Gender confusion aside, Zombi is his brother-in-law and carries the west coast for the family enterprise.

Posted by: Bill Wednesday at January 06, 2014 11:15 AM (8RshS)

196 Wait, he's just a Representative?  I assumed he was a Senator given the press he's been given.  I guess he's got a really safe seat because we could primary him every two years.

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 06, 2014 11:16 AM (qiXMt)

197 "Kick ass, or chew bubble gum?" I think we can do both at the same time.

Posted by: Angel with a sword at January 06, 2014 11:17 AM (hpgw1)

198 21 degrees here on the Texas Gulf Coast tonight. The coldest that I've seen it here since it reached 17 degrees in '83. Gonna be a real sac-wrinkler. I lived in Galveston then. A foot of slush on the causeway bridge. Redfish freezing in the yacht basin.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2014 11:18 AM (XCfYI)

199

Don't worry about it   Johnny M.  

 

Some people just gotta hate. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 06, 2014 11:18 AM (m2CN7)

200 Totes kewl. Start lining the libs up against a wall then. Not going to happen. Only the group with the power gets to line people against the wall. That ain't us. And before you say, "We have the guns", think about it. What percentage of the US would fight to the death over gun ownership at this time in history? I think it's less than you imagine. I certainly was surprised enough people voted for Sparky for a second term.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 11:18 AM (4QSOR)

201 #172 Agreed. Honestly, King's such a prick, if he gave an interview about how lovable puppies are he'd make me a cat person.

Posted by: Motorhead at January 06, 2014 11:18 AM (alyr8)

202 What percentage of the US would fight to the death over gun ownership at this time in history? Obviously not the gun owners in CT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:19 AM (PYAXX)

203 >>Rep. King is basically saying, "Terrorists exist, so we can ignore the Constitution." >>Senator Paul is basically saying, "Look, fine, do it. But get a warrant- a real, specific warrant- first." I think its a bit more than that. King has been on the Homeland Committee and the Select Intelligence sub-committee for years. The years the NSA has been doing this stuff. In other words he knew for years this was going on and didn't have a problem with it. With Paul coming out now and saying he wants to sue the NSA he is basically condemning King's actions. Not defending King, I don't approve of the NSA's actions, but this wasn't some random outburst. This is personal.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 11:20 AM (g1DWB)

204 Wasn't one of the Snowden releases that the NSA staff spied on (listened to phone calls, not just read metadata) of their significant others? As for King .. he's done. Bang the gong, get the hook. Mew

Posted by: acat at January 06, 2014 11:20 AM (gGEmy)

205 The arrogance and hypocrisy of this quisling is spectacular. Ace could change the headline to Rep. Peter King is terrified he is going to loose power to a plurality.

Posted by: Mt Top Patriot at January 06, 2014 11:20 AM (DrjWB)

206 Obviously not the gun owners in CT. Nutmeggers are fags.

Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 11:20 AM (0nzVw)

207 Where's a gentile Southern Senator, with a walking stick, to beat this ner-thy-do-well piker about the head\shoulders???

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 06, 2014 11:20 AM (zL/eJ)

208 And before you say, "We have the guns", think about it. What percentage of the US would fight to the death over gun ownership at this time in history? I think it's less than you imagine. I certainly was surprised enough people voted for Sparky for a second term. 5%? of 80 millon. 4 million active shooters.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2014 11:21 AM (XCfYI)

209 I've posted this before but I can't stop: According to security IT experts, it would take a server room the size of an average household or smaller to hold all the metadata from cell phone calls in the USA for years. That's why they need a complex 7X the size of the pentagon out in the desert. But they are not recording content because they say so. And if they are they are not listening without a warrant. And when they are issuing "administrative warrants" themselves without judges they only do it for something important that it is illegal to talk about. And they have guidelines that you can trust. If you could read them.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 06, 2014 11:21 AM (y7tpC)

210 It's very simple: People still don't know how to comb through terabytes of information for useful data when names are not known.

However, if names are known, it's very easy to find what you need.

Especially if they're not shadowy terrorists but just candidates for office in the other party. Posted by: AmishDude
.....................
Bullshit.  I would bet a million dollars (if I had it) that they do fishing expeditions on that data all the time.

Let's say I have a theory.. my theory, as an NSA analyst, is that calls made from the US to, let's say, Yemen at a certain time of night might be terror related.  So, I do a database search with very specific criteria.  Give me all the calls that are repetitious in nature from 12am to 2am from the US to Yemen. 

I will get a list of phone numbers and I bet at this point NSA will research those numbers without a warrant.

I am betting they have a lot of detailed info before they go ask for a warrant.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 06, 2014 11:21 AM (f9c2L)

211 Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 03:20 PM (0nzVw) Longest sellout crowd streak in CT: women's college basketball.

Posted by: AMDG at January 06, 2014 11:22 AM (t7OO0)

212 Oh boy. Here comes da snow. Can't even see across the street. Total whiteout. The commute is going to be a humdinger.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 11:22 AM (7ObY1)

213 But they are not recording content because they say so. And if they are they are not listening without a warrant. And when they are issuing "administrative warrants" themselves without judges they only do it for something important that it is illegal to talk about. And they have guidelines that you can trust. If you could read them. Posted by: Daybrother
...........
And I have some swampland I'd like to sell you.. cheap!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 06, 2014 11:22 AM (f9c2L)

214 The commute is going to be a humdinger. Humdinger... Is that when your electric car gets in a fender-bender? Seriously, though- stay safe.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:23 AM (PYAXX)

215 With Paul coming out now and saying he wants to sue the NSA he is basically condemning King's actions. Not defending King, I don't approve of the NSA's actions, but this wasn't some random outburst. This is personal.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 03:20 PM (g1DWB)

 

Personal inside  the halls of Congress.   King decided to make the personal public.    

Posted by: polynikes at January 06, 2014 11:23 AM (m2CN7)

216 207 Where's a gentile Southern Senator, with a walking stick, to beat this ner-thy-do-well piker about the head\shoulders??? Charles Sumner hardest hit. (rimshot)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 11:23 AM (7ObY1)

217 I'm of two minds about this.  I'm very protective of my personal information...but at the same time, when I worked at NSA back in the 90's these "vacuum everything up" type of collection was already being done, albeit not with cell phone data, but with normal telephone calls, banking information, etc.  But there were protections and protocols in place to protect the information and only those with legit mission need to know were allowed access and all database queries were logged and you'd get absolutely hammered if you abused the access.  So the "metadata" and then some was already collected, but just gathered dust until someone had a need to query for that specific information.  It helped me track years old weapons shipments to a specific MENA (I just dated myself) country.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 11:23 AM (m4+Rq)

218 >>The commute is going to be a humdinger. Be careful out there...

Posted by: Mama AJ, super special moron at January 06, 2014 11:24 AM (SUKHu)

219 Humdinger... Is that when your electric car gets in a fender-bender? Seriously, though- stay safe. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 03:23 PM (PYAXX) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ You're thinking of a Humbucker and a Fender electric guitar.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 11:25 AM (LSJmV)

220 So the "metadata" and then some was already collected, but just gathered dust until someone had a need to query for that specificinformation. And it was unconstitutional back then, too.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:25 AM (PYAXX)

221 Man Dead, Husband Critically Injured In Midtown High-Rise Fire ... Really? They just can't say one man dead, another injured? Nope, it's gay gay gay!

Posted by: Plaintiff Pug at January 06, 2014 11:25 AM (Qev5V)

222 Is that when your electric car gets in a fender-bender? Seriously, though- stay safe. Thanks, I sure will. I'll amuse myself by watching those electric shitcars with their "Coexist" bumperstickers, sliding to and fro on their itty-bitty tires.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 06, 2014 11:25 AM (7ObY1)

223 Peter King is an anatomical miracle, an asshole with a mouth.

Posted by: toby928© at January 06, 2014 11:25 AM (QupBk)

224 Man Dead, Husband Critically Injured In Midtown High-Rise Fire ... Let that be a lesson, kids. Don't forget the lube.

Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 11:27 AM (0nzVw)

225 I wonder how much an electric car's range is diminished with the super cold weather?

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 06, 2014 11:27 AM (LSJmV)

226 I'll amuse myself by watching those electric shitcars with their "Coexist" bumperstickers, sliding to and fro on their itty-bitty tires. Even more fun will be them dying half-way home because the cold futzes with the batteries. One of my acquaintances through the Cub Scout pack drives a Prius, and he complains that it has a hard time starting when the temps are below freezing.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 06, 2014 11:27 AM (PYAXX)

227 economy post up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 06, 2014 11:28 AM (DmNpO)

228

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 03:23 PM (m4+Rq)

 

Give me your opinion.   Do you think that the NSA would  pursue further investigation of  a person who  made numerous calls to gun dealers over the years?

Posted by: polynikes at January 06, 2014 11:28 AM (m2CN7)

229 >>Personal inside the halls of Congress. King decided tomake the personal public. Well King is a loudmouth blowhard so not too surprising. But in more moderated tones you have people like Mike Rodgers, current head of the Intelligence group and Dianne Feinstein who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee also defending the NSA. Why? They all knew this was going on and had no problem with it.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 11:28 AM (g1DWB)

230

Hillary! 2016!

Posted by: Peter King at January 06, 2014 11:29 AM (wAQA5)

231 Man Dead, Husband Critically Injured In Midtown High-Rise Fire ...


 So  did  the wife died?  Or  did the Husband both die and live? 

Posted by: polynikes at January 06, 2014 11:30 AM (m2CN7)

232
Man Dead, Husband Critically Injured In Midtown High-Rise Fire ...


Let that be a lesson, kids. Don't forget the lube.

Posted by: garrett at January 06, 2014 03:27 PM (0nzVw)











"Do you smoke after sex?"

"I dunno. I never looked."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 06, 2014 11:30 AM (TIIx5)

233

AllenG.  It wasn't unconstitutional then because it was "international" communications that were collected, to which no persons, even US persons, had a right to privacy up until such time that it was verified that it was in fact a US person in the communications, and so long as that US person was not engaged in illegal activity.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 11:30 AM (m4+Rq)

234 5%? of 80 millon. 4 million active shooters. Let's say that's the number. I'd wager they're in localities that are predictable. ID, TX, MT, etc. So they continue whittling down the rights of the many, and make plans to mobilize the Nat Guard, Police, Dozens of Fed Agencies with Police Powers, etc against those localities. With the media the way it is, do you think they'd have much trouble painting a patriotic pro 2nd amendment group as a bunch of white militia members uprising against the first female President, or whatever?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 11:30 AM (WhJf8)

235 Even more fun will be them dying half-way home because the cold futzes bricks with the batteries. FIFY.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2014 11:30 AM (XCfYI)

236 #228 "Give me your opinion. Do you think that the NSA would pursue further investigation of a person who made numerous calls to gun dealers over the years?"

Why? They didn't do it to the Fast\Furious Feds, or even pass notes to Congress of it happening...

Posted by: fred zeppelin at January 06, 2014 11:31 AM (zL/eJ)

237 Polynikes...I don't understand your question.  Are you talking someone in the US who calls a local gun dealer?

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 11:32 AM (m4+Rq)

238

"...he doesn’t deserve to be in the United States senate for spreading that type of misperception and absolute lies to be honest with you,”

 

*smirk*

Posted by: Harry Reid at January 06, 2014 11:32 AM (wAQA5)

239 With the media the way it is, do you think they'd have much trouble painting a patriotic pro 2nd amendment group as a bunch of white militia members uprising against the first female President, or whatever? Depends on how they go about it. With the polished, professionalism of 404Care & Shoot-the-dog-wrong-house-no-knock-warrants??

Posted by: rickb223 at January 06, 2014 11:33 AM (XCfYI)

240 The major problem that I have with the NSA stuff is that since Obama was elected, government departments and agencies no longer work for the government - they work for the president, and by extension, the Dem party, and by further extension, they work against Republicans and the Repub party.

This is a major revelation and development.  All of this specialized work working for the benefit of, and to the detriment of certain discreet segments of American society.

They've already taken advantage of this in the IRS scandal, but the magnitude that this could be taken to is frightening.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at January 06, 2014 11:34 AM (BZAd3)

241 This is old news. Come on. Like so many Irish immigrants who fought for American freedom in many wars from Revolutionary War to today. Gosh my grandma told IRA jokes. So what. I am sure there are British counterparts in MI-whatever that may have crossed the line in regards to operations on non-IRA Ulster or Irish citizens - doesn't bother me. The IRA has since moved on (albeit there are splinter groups) and become part of the political process in a partner sharing agreement with Loyalists as well - not that everythig is rainbow and gumdrops over there. Also distinguishable from other "terrorist" groups since they didn't advocate for a global jihad and also the IRA campaign in the 70s and 80s was mainly a response to discrmination, internment, and lack of protection from the British gov't from loyalist actions. Where the Irish terrorists for fighting for their freedom initiallly from the 1600s to the 1930s?

Posted by: dnice at January 06, 2014 11:34 AM (Tnt6v)

242 *yawn*

Rand Paul today: conservative hero, Tea Party favorite.

Rand Paul tomorrow: just look at this amnesty-loving, RINO traitor asshole! And his kooky dad too!

I think Pete King's a blowhard who's crossed the line in a major way here.  I like Rand Paul a bit.  But I'm tired of the "GOP heroes and villains" narrative.  Over on Hot Air, the most recent Scott Walker post has been taken over by the frothing lunatics who increasingly seem to run that place proclaiming that Walker is just a RINO sellout whoring for the establishment and pushing open borders.  (I could go the rest of my life without reading the braindead term "GOP-e," which is a clear signifier that the writer has ceased attempting to think critically and is just running on sub-primate Id at that point.)

The worst part about it is the nakedly cynical way Allahpundit eggs it all on.  I get that he has a job and it doesn't pay to antagonize your clientele, but still...the way he panders these days, all the while making it clear (in a way most of the people there are just too fucking stupid to even grasp) that he has contempt for most of the commenters...well, it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Posted by: Jeff B. 2.0 - newly upgraded with fiancee! at January 06, 2014 11:34 AM (1EIWf)

243 Well King is a loudmouth blowhard so not too surprising. But in more moderated tones you have people like Mike Rodgers, current head of the Intelligence group and Dianne Feinstein who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee also defending the NSA. Why? They all knew this was going on and had no problem with it.

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 03:28 PM (g1DWB)

 

Because  it is a complicated issue where reasonable people can disagree.  John Bolton  defends  the NSA collection  also.   Mike Rodgers and others should have to defend legitimate concerns and if we can't  get the head of the NSA to tell the truth when testifying before Congress,   then I do not fault Rand Paul from  taking this strategy  and I am not necessarily a Rand Paul fan.   I'm a Bolton fan who disagrees with him in part.   Checks and balances is essential and one side  is saying trust us.    Yeah not so much. 

Posted by: polynikes at January 06, 2014 11:35 AM (m2CN7)

244

Just as a little backstory....there are about 35000 folks who work at NSA, give or take, and many of those are actually active duty servicemen/women.  Besides the normal USSID 18 (US Signals Intelligence Directive) laws which protect communications of US persons, the military folks are bound by the Posse Comitatus Act.  Now, that's not to say that things aren't being abused, but there are laws in place to protect communications of US persons.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 11:36 AM (m4+Rq)

245 Polynikes...I don't understand your question. Are you talking someone in the US who calls a local gun dealer?

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 03:32 PM (m4+Rq)

 

Yes a US citizen who makes frequent calls  to domestic gun dealers.  

Posted by: polynikes at January 06, 2014 11:36 AM (m2CN7)

246 Depends on how they go about it. With the polished, professionalism of 404Care & Shoot-the-dog-wrong-house-no-knock-warrants?? I doubt they'll go in. They'll do what the military does in Afghanistan when the people inside are shooting outward. They blow up the house.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at January 06, 2014 11:37 AM (WhJf8)

247 @176 - Ireland scooped up huge sums in French and German taxpayer funding for various programs, the place was absolutely buried in EU development grants in the '00s.

Posted by: JEM at January 06, 2014 11:37 AM (o+SC1)

248

Polynikes.  I doubt very much NSA is looking at any communications from US persons except for ones that go into/out of suspect countries and areas.  The sheer volume of available data and need to analyze prevents the time or resources to worry about Joe calling Acme gun sales to find out if his custom 1911 is ready.  If it's Achmed from south Sudan calling Acme gun sales to inquire about a shipment of 1911's....that's different.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 11:41 AM (m4+Rq)

249 @244 - as we've seen with the IRS, when you're talking about a huge enterprise you don't need the whole operation, it takes only a few people, a couple bent high-level brass and a few fearful or corrupt underlings, to bludgeon your opponents.

Posted by: JEM at January 06, 2014 11:41 AM (o+SC1)

250 >>Over on Hot Air, the most recent Scott Walker post has been taken over by the frothing lunatics who increasingly seem to run that place proclaiming that Walker is just a RINO sellout whoring for the establishment and pushing open borders. (I could go the rest of my life without reading the braindead term "GOP-e," which is a clear signifier that the writer has ceased attempting to think critically and is just running on sub-primate Id at that point.) Funny how that works, isn't it?

Posted by: JackStraw at January 06, 2014 11:42 AM (g1DWB)

251 With the media the way it is, do you think they'd have much trouble painting a patriotic pro 2nd amendment group as a bunch of white militia members uprising against the first female President, or whatever? Posted by: bonhomme They already have. Haven't they? It's called "The Tea Party" and we are told all the time that they are terrorists. On the other hand, the President's spokesmen have already said he intends to concentrate on the economy, climate change and fomenting Civil War in his last 3 years.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 06, 2014 11:43 AM (Nfadl)

252 Yes a US citizen who makes frequent calls to domestic gun dealers. Since 2009 officially they only share intel with the DEA (as revealed recently to start cases anonymously) or the DoJ/ATF, FBI or the IRS or DHS. That's IT. No one else. Esposito: From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. Silence! In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old! Fielding Mellish: What's the Spanish word for straitjacket?

Posted by: Daybrother at January 06, 2014 11:54 AM (2zOUy)

253 9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor. So is Peter King

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at January 06, 2014 11:54 AM (HVff2)

254 JEM...I agree that there is a chance of an NSA "Star Chamber" analysis effort being conducted by those who wish to target specific people they feel are a threat.  I can't discount rogues from existing, I can only opine that if it is, it's not very large.  You have to remember, unlike the IRS, NSA and any other members of the US intelligence community, don't have an enforcement arm like Treasury does.  They could only pass the information on to another agency like DHS or FBI.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 11:56 AM (m4+Rq)

255 Don't worry, we have LAWS folks, LAWS that say the NSA can't snoop on you Getting a warrant is totes the law too, but like the rest of the government the LAWS are what YOU have to follow, not them

Posted by: kbdabear at January 06, 2014 11:58 AM (aTXUx)

256 Re: NSA Have we had an XXcommittee sighting on AoSHQ?

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at January 06, 2014 11:58 AM (Va2cP)

257 So I guess NSA spooks using their tools to stalk ex-girlfriends isn't abusing the system Don't worry about the NSA because they can only pass on the data to the DHS or FBI? Thanks, that puts my mind at ease..

Posted by: kbdabear at January 06, 2014 12:01 PM (aTXUx)

258 kbdabear....and maybe that's why we decide to water the tree of liberty.  We are supposed to be a nation of laws...and when those laws are designed to work against the american citizen, rather than for the american citizen...it's time to make some serious changes.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 12:03 PM (m4+Rq)

259 Deer Peeter King: Quoting that noted neo-neo-conservative website, Wikipedia in their article on the 4th amendment: The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and requires any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted in response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, a type of general search warrant issued by the British government and a major source of tension in pre-Revolutionary America. Emphasis mine...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at January 06, 2014 12:04 PM (1hM1d)

260 All your so-called "metadata" (location, call history, etc.)... ...are belong to us.

Posted by: NSA at January 06, 2014 12:05 PM (G5cc0)

261

I'll admit I'm a bit bias in favor of the giving NSA the benefit of doubt as to their activities...but just like any organization, especially one so large, I don't discount outlier activity.  And yes, if Spooky McSpookerton is using his work tools to stalk his ex, than I expect him to get fired, and possibly spend some time at the gray-bar hotel.

Posted by: Fish at January 06, 2014 12:07 PM (m4+Rq)

262 What the eff is it about DC that turns these assholes into the assholes they become? (rhetorical)

Posted by: eureka! at January 06, 2014 12:11 PM (xiXna)

263 >>So, fuck this "wartime" shit. We live in a world with bad guys whom we should try to stop, but we should not stop being a free people along the way. Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at January 06, 2014 03:03 PM (A0sHn)<< If you guys want to rewrite the 4th Amendment to be an absolute ban on general surveillance, there's a way to do that. And it ain't litigation. As currently written, when the people's representatives declare the United States has an enemy and we are going to blow them up, then looser restrictions on surveillance become "reasonable".

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 06, 2014 12:13 PM (5xmd7)

264 Fish, I cannot argue against your experience and I respect your insight, I really do, but according to numerous leaks about operations since 2005 the NSA records purely domestic content and stores it and (since EO in 2009) shares intel with federal LE. It has been revealed in open court that the NSA passes on data to start LE cases domestically and has for some time. Now, if even the EPA and student loan branches of the government have paramilitary LE departments this century and the NSA is required to share intel it stands to reason there has to be a process and massive pressure for these LE branches to line up at that door for intel to start more cases. Just seems like common sense notwithstanding the actual Snowden documents and statements by the Community in passing. A few good men cannot stand up against the promise of absolute political power for long.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 06, 2014 12:17 PM (9LOSj)

265

“In any event, he doesn’t deserve to be in the United States senate for spreading that type of misperception and absolute lies to be honest with you,” the congressman concluded.

For a second, I thought he was talking about Reid and Pelosi...

Posted by: Former Lurker at January 06, 2014 12:21 PM (4hp6w)

266 >> (I could go the rest of my life without reading the braindead term "GOP-e," which is a clear signifier that the writer has ceased attempting to think critically and is just running on sub-primate Id at that point.) Oh, you found a term that indicates you can skip reading? And you're calling other people braindead? The Congressional Republican caucus is a bunch of crooks. They lied about what they would do in office. They refuse any responsibility for what they vote to pay for. They won't absolutely promise to change after the next election -- it depends on who has the majority of seats, and even then, on how the polls look the week the matter comes up for a vote. They're unfit to sit on a county Board of Supervisors, let alone run the House and Senate. Now Scott Walker has a full-time job, and it has nothing to do with Washington. And if he had just said so, there wouldn't be any problem. But he had to come out on behalf of the crooks, and urge us to ignore the fact that voting straight-ticket Republican empowers them. Nuts.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 06, 2014 12:22 PM (5xmd7)

267 As currently written, when the people's representatives declare the United States has an enemy and we are going to blow them up, then looser restrictions on surveillance become "reasonable". Posted by: Chris_Balsz at January 06, 2014 04:13 PM (5xmd7) That's a good point. I do wish though that there was some kind of mechanism in place that would allow an impartial arbiter to restrain abuses on the part of the surveillance agencies.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker, Waitress, Model, Actress, Wears Prada at January 06, 2014 12:34 PM (GeVLX)

268 This right here, this 'alternative media' is the only way. Well, not the only way, there's always GOD. No 'common' media, even FOX can be counted on for the truth. It has been sad to see how FOX became the same as CBS, etc. As for the GOP, their aim is to kill off the tea party. They have to go because they are Constitutionalists. No politician or election will save America. Remember that. It will take a reboot of the original 1776 method. We all know it.

Posted by: Erowmero at January 06, 2014 12:51 PM (OONaw)

269 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 06, 2014 02:40 PM (IXrOn)

*********

Some say, Gay for the Stay.

Posted by: gracepmc at January 06, 2014 12:54 PM (rznx3)

270 The extent of NSA's domestic information gathering is and should be a political issue, to be debated and decided by Congress and the voters. 

The Court does not have a role in it unless the 4th Amendment is being violated, and "metadata" clearly falls under the Smith v Maryland ruling.  It's like arguing your Google searches are private, don't be an idiot.

The President has broad authority over what we do overseas, but domestic surveillance isn't his private reserve, and never has been.

Rand Paul just hasn't a clue.  He's already talking about the traitor Snowden as if he were worthy of a plea bargain.  Sorry, Zippy, but there was no need to leak info about foreign intel gathering, including sources and methods, in order to break the story on domestic activities.  Some "whistle-blower" who has to flee oppression to Vlad Putin's Liberty Lovin' Russia! 

Posted by: Adjoran at January 06, 2014 01:39 PM (473jB)

271 King is what you get when you get a Repubic from NY. Clapper lied under oath to Congress. He should be in a jail cell with Snowden just like Paul said. He was not saying Snowder should go unpunished. But Hillary, Bill, Barack and Holder and a lot more should be in the same prison. What Snowden did is no worse than what this administration did to our Seal Team 6.

Posted by: Alborn at January 06, 2014 02:53 PM (z0B+b)

272 ...on Washingtonians... Ben Sasse, "Move Washington to Nebraska." Gimmick. Why would anyone who loves their home state ever wish to absolutely ruin it by importing D.C.?

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 06, 2014 03:07 PM (MhA4j)

273 The people of Kentucky are the only ones who get to decide if Rand Paul deserves to be Senator, you douchebag Peter King!

Obviously Peter KING takes his name way too seriously. He must think he's really KING Peter.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at January 06, 2014 03:26 PM (KL49F)

274

Mary Villalba, 65, isn't going to find any job!  She is suppose to take the blue pill.

 

Posted by: burt at January 06, 2014 05:35 PM (1+kJ5)

275 fuck you Peter "Penis" King. I remember you from impeachment.

Posted by: X at January 07, 2014 04:42 AM (KHo8t)

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