March 07, 2014


— Ace

If you don't have time for the eleven and a half minute speech, you can take Allah's advice and skip to 10:00, for his closing ninety seconds.

It's a decent speech. (I'm a jaded critic on speeches, so I tend not to get too excited about them.)

Perry Version 2014 seems to be fighting the ghost of Perry Version 2012. He's much more energetic in this speech than he was in any of the debates. (But of course people tend to be more energetic before friendly crowds.) One can speculate about his reasons for the nerd-cool choice in spectacles.

Another thing he's doing is projecting optimism, hope, and buoyancy, which is of course the advice given to practically any candidate. He also takes time to praise his fellow Republican governors, including, notably, Scott Walker and Bobby Jindal, both of whom are considering a run for the nomination themselves. So he gets some Nice Guy/Good Guy points. (Notably absent from his list of successful Republican governors: Chris Christie.)

As most readers know, I jumped on the Perry train big-time in 2012, seeing him -- on paper -- as not only the best candidate among the crowded (and uninspiring) 2012 field, but just a good candidate in any cycle. His economic portfolio was/is solid -- Barack Obama hasn't presided over the creation of many jobs in America, but Rick Perry can account for nearly half (48%) of those jobs that Obama wishes to take credit for. (Oh, and Perry's jobs were actually created, not "saved or created or funded" or which "positively impacted" people.)

Of course, there is the candidate on paper, and then there is the candidate under the hot lights and pressure.

As @rdbrewer4 notes in the side bar, Perry says that his 2012 back surgery played a large role in his unpreparedness for the campaign.

In an interview with CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper," Perry said he learned a lot from his 2012 campaign experience when he exited the primaries early on.

"I won't have major back surgery six weeks before the announcement," says Perry, of the next possible run for the White House.

When he announced his presidential bid in August 2011, Perry said he felt invincible, telling himself: "I'm 61 years old, I'm bulletproof, I'm 10-feet tall, I can do anything."

But 2012 was "a very humbling experience."

"Anyone who watched that campaign knows it was a very humbling time for me. But thatÂ’s not necessarily bad. I judge people on how do you react after a failure? How do you pick yourself up and go forward?

Surely that did have a lot to do with it -- but how much? Perry was plainly unprepared to discuss federal policy and issues in any kind of detail. In fairness, most governors, for whom federal matters are not a day-to-day job (as it is with dummy senators like Biden and Obama), usually cram from a briefing book on such things before their run; plus, most candidates get to begin their runs by stumbling along in low-prominence venues where few people notice them screwing up. Later they get more comfortable and commanding, hopefully.

Perry's back surgery -- maybe combined with an arrogant "I'm Superman, I don't need to study" attitude -- plus his extremely high-profile entry in the race, allowing for no confidence building minor events before his announcement -- probably did result in his general lack of intellectual preparedness. What accounts for his complete lack of political strategic preparedness -- informing a debate hall full of bright-red conservative primary voters that those who oppose in-state tuition for illegal alien children "have no heart" -- I have no idea, but of course judgement is impaired along with mental sharpness when someone's run down.

As someone who's frequently run down -- and not feeling mentally sharp -- myself, this all makes sense to me.

But... I need to see proof that the page has turned from Perry's near-disastrous 2012 run.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm open to Perry, but he does have to show me he's on the ball and has thought more seriously not just about the general principles of conservatism but the practical application of them at the present moment. (For example, on reforming entitlements.)

He speaks (as he always has) forcefully enough on general principles of conservative philosophy and governance; my concern is that details may again be his undoing.

But if they're not -- if he takes his time off to hit that briefing book and study it like he's about to take the SATs -- then he'd be a good candidate.

He says 2012 was humbling, and that the mark of a man is not how he fails, but how he picks himself back up. Which is an incontrovertible sentiment. So I'm watching to see how he's picked himself back up.


Posted by: Ace at 08:27 AM | Comments (296)
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1 Three things...

Posted by: garrett at March 07, 2014 08:30 AM (rsIub)

2 He's got a cute little up and down hop going on there.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 08:31 AM (IXrOn)

3 indeed. he starts in a hole, and needs to dig himself up out of the hole before building everything back up.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:31 AM (/FnUH)

4 Ooo, phantom post title.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 07, 2014 08:31 AM (Nksua)

5 I admit I was a Fred Thompson fan, until he went into hibernation for the debates.

Posted by: maddogg at March 07, 2014 08:31 AM (xWW96)

6 Walker.

Posted by: CAC at March 07, 2014 08:32 AM (YzXIl)

7 Happy to give him a second look. Would love to see him succeed. Has the right instincts...but it's a rough world out there.

Posted by: Caliban at March 07, 2014 08:32 AM (DrC22)

8 >>>He's got a cute little up and down hop going on there. yeah he looks like the guitarist from EMF.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:32 AM (/FnUH)

9 I'd take a governer over a senator for presidential candidate. Yeah, I like that guy Perry.

Posted by: Bosk at March 07, 2014 08:33 AM (n2K+4)

10 The establishment wants him to run to take votes from Cruz.



Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at March 07, 2014 08:33 AM (DPMu1)

11 >>>6 Walker. Yup, he'd be a good one.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:33 AM (/FnUH)

12 Shit I freaked for a second because there's no post title it just says Ace. I thought we were getting some bad news about the ewok.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 07, 2014 08:33 AM (oFCZn)

13 I'm just tired of running the same candidates over and over, until they die,win the nomination, or go completely senile. Two of which applied to McCain.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at March 07, 2014 08:33 AM (pshvX)

14 Without a title, how am I supposed to know what this is about? Certainly I'm not expected to actually read the post...

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 08:33 AM (gBnkX)

15 >>>Shit I freaked for a second because there's no post title it just says Ace. I thought we were getting some bad news about the ewok. ... eh sorry, and thanks for worrying. I just forgot to do a headline.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:34 AM (/FnUH)

16 We'll have a thread with no title! A thread about nothing!

Posted by: George Costanza at March 07, 2014 08:34 AM (aTXUx)

17 Seriously though, I'm willing to take a look at Perry again. I think the back surgery excuse is lame, but probably the only politically viable one available.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 08:34 AM (gBnkX)

18 Judging by this post, Ace is advocating that he take a page from Clint Eastwood and run as "The candidate with no name".

Posted by: Weirddave at March 07, 2014 08:35 AM (N/cFh)

19 I'd be for Perry if he played his cards right. That guy was a job creating machine down here in Texas! That's exactly what this country needs right now!

Posted by: Judge Roy Bean at March 07, 2014 08:35 AM (cCxiu)

20 >>.I think the back surgery excuse is lame, but probably the only politically viable one available. oh I'm sure that was part of it. Back surgery is a big deal, and he jumped into this race when he was still on the mend six weeks later. Think about your own level of mental acuity and attentiveness when you're sick or injured.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:36 AM (/FnUH)

21 If he goes for it and he    acquits himself a little better than last time, I'd give him my vote without a problem.   Between him,   Jindal   and   Walker   we've got some great gubernatorial     candidates   in the wings.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 08:36 AM (4df7R)

22 I'd take a governer over a senator for presidential candidate. Yeah, I like that guy Perry.

Posted by: Bosk at March 07, 2014 12:33 PM (n2K+4)

I don't get this governor/"executive experience" fetish.  Bush was a governor and he was a disaster who gave us Obama. There's no actual evidence that governors make better presidents than senators.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at March 07, 2014 08:36 AM (DPMu1)

23 First they took away the theme songs for tv shows and I said nothing...

Then they came for the thread titles ...
 

Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2014 08:36 AM (aTXUx)

24 but I don't know if it was part of it, or most of it.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:37 AM (/FnUH)

25 He lost me for good with his "wrong kind of capitalism" attack on Romney. That, combined with his support for Gore in '88 make me think he is a fucking panderer with great potential to "grow" in office. Kind of a squishier version of GWB.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 08:37 AM (+lsX1)

26

I am perfectly willing to accept the   back surgery excuse... even if it is  not entirely  true.

 

However, he's  going to have to show vast improvement.  He only has one back/mulligan. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 08:37 AM (TOk1P)

27 He looked mighty fine. Polished.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 08:37 AM (IXrOn)

28 >>> He lost me for good with his "wrong kind of capitalism" attack on Romney. eh politics makes whores of us all.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (/FnUH)

29 Perry/?? 2016

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (ndIek)

30 I voted for Perry in the Alabama primary in '12 even though he had already dropped out. It was my one "principle" vote. Now that I'm living in SC, maybe I'll be able to move things every so slightly in his favor again. He remains firmly in my top 3. Perry, Walker, Paul. Paul is third purely because he's still a senator. I'd really like it if he went back to Kentucky, became governor for a term or two, and then ran for president.

Posted by: David at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (UtRhK)

31 18 Judging by this post, Ace is advocating that he take a page from Clint Eastwood and run as "The candidate with no name". Posted by: Weirddave at March 07, 2014 12:35 PM (N/cFh) "None of the above" from Brewster's Millions. Now that I think about it, that's a joke whose time has come IRL. None of the above is the best choice in many races.

Posted by: Weirddave at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (N/cFh)

32 brb bunk

Posted by: L, elle at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (0xqKe)

33 Texas unemployment rate is 5.7%

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (9Bdcz)

34 Time for vote

Is it a Barrel Offense to forget to title a thread, even after Ace spots the error?

Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (aTXUx)

35 The glasses are interesting, but once he wears blue jeans or Teh Fred! loafers, prepare for the George Will condemnation.

Posted by: wooga at March 07, 2014 08:38 AM (Q1BWs)

36 8 >>>He's got a cute little up and down hop going on there. yeah he looks like the guitarist from EMF. Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 12:32 PM (/FnUH) Do I sense a bit of ... titillation?

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 08:39 AM (hJnUx)

37 I'm in for Rick.

Posted by: sweet...ish at March 07, 2014 08:39 AM (bj+Nc)

38 eh politics makes whores of us all.

Well, there you go then. It's OK everyone, he's just a whore that had a sore back last time. This time he'll be a pandering whore with more energy!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 08:40 AM (+lsX1)

39 Fire in the belly! Fire in the belly!

Posted by: George Will at March 07, 2014 08:40 AM (Q1BWs)

40 Perry has bragging rights: his state is even more Republican than it was when he became Governor, despite a massive population increase. Dems trying to flip it blue on the backs of Hispanic voters have to deal with a less D split within the state versus nationally, and heavy, heavy Republican voter blocs within urban and suburban areas, unlike anything in the rest of the country. Texan Rs have done a great job keeping the state red. Consider this- even if the Dems had gotten an amnesty through, and succeeded in signing up a half-million new D voters (and that's really generous considering they have failed utterly to effectively close any gap despite OFA's best efforts from 2007 to today)- they would still fall short by hundreds of thousands of votes in Prez years and a good 150-200k in midterms. The people moving to Texas for work and a new life ARE NOT, at least so far, the liberal locusts that infested Colorado and Florida.

Posted by: CAC at March 07, 2014 08:40 AM (YzXIl)

41 18 Judging by this post, Ace is advocating that he take a page from Clint Eastwood and run as "The candidate with no name". Posted by: Weirddave at March 07, 2014 12:35 PM (N/cFh) A Fistful of Campaign Dollars

Posted by: Insomniac at March 07, 2014 08:40 AM (XbVvw)

42

28 -

 

I think  there is plenty  of room on the right for a position that doesn't go so far as to be dismissive of the "47%"  the way Romney was.

 

Perry's problem was not in  trying to stake out  that position, it was in doing it poorly. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 08:40 AM (TOk1P)

43 eh sorry, and thanks for worrying. I just forgot to do a headline. Well don't do that! Kinda freaks us the hell out!

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (ndIek)

44 It was the meds he was on for the back surgery. I totally believe it. No memory. Slowness. Confusion. Recall. But, yeah, he's got to get out of the state box. He needs a mentor. Let's hope he has one *cough*Bolton*cough*.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (IXrOn)

45 "He lost me for good with his "wrong kind of capitalism" attack on Romney" I'd take his political track record over Rombley's in a heartbeat. It's going to take a look through a microscope to get to Perry's policy flaws. Rombley's were like a fucking flaming zeppelin.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (gBnkX)

46 I am waiting.to see what Steve Perry does. Don't stop belevin'.

Posted by: Beagle at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (sOtz/)

47 You're a dumbass. Go outside mayn

Posted by: jm at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (LoX5a)

48 33 Texas unemployment rate is 5.7%

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 07, 2014 12:38 PM 


I'm a big fan of the "What Have You Done For Us Lately" line of thought

That one is a pretty big feather in Perry's cap


Posted by: kbdabear at March 07, 2014 08:41 AM (aTXUx)

49 For every 1 Dem voter in Hildago, there are 3 Republicans in suburban Houston.

Posted by: CAC at March 07, 2014 08:42 AM (YzXIl)

50 Good guy, great governor and right for Texas- without a doubt.

Unfortunately for him, a candidate needs to be able to think on their feet. They need to speak extemporaneously, forcefully and consistently. They need to convince people of their case because it is repeated and explained the same way every time. People need to believe a person is authentic, capable and drive. They need to know it intuitively. Look at how people have grabbed the presidency. Besides having the right positions and skills it is essential to connect with people.

He's not that guy and I don't believe he can make that transition. He comes off as less than capable (true or not) and he seems over prepped by consultants. He is TOO prepared and it feels unauthentic. It raises doubts- true or not.

Perry had his chance. He should stay out. IMVHO

Posted by: Marcus T. Tired of the Mendacious Tripe at March 07, 2014 08:42 AM (GGCsk)

51 Texas unemployment rate is 5.7% (drops mic)

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 07, 2014 08:42 AM (9Bdcz)

52 You know when Huckabee talked about Obama as a snake-charmer and snakes running everywhere? I'm pretty sure he's talking giant black dicks.

Posted by: Ana Marie Cox at March 07, 2014 08:42 AM (ZPrif)

53 Perry / Cuomo 2016: "Papa Loves Mambo"

Posted by: wooga at March 07, 2014 08:43 AM (Q1BWs)

54 The left calls him the Texascutioner .... which is a plus in my book.

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 08:44 AM (hJnUx)

55 Sorry, he can't win nationwide, so I don't think conservatives should get suckered with his appeal as it's only going to put another Democrat in the White House.

I also don't buy that his back surgery is to blame, even before, Perry was not popular in his home state, you're talking about someone with a 30-something percent approval rating.  If a "Texas" candidate like Perry can't win over conservative Texans, that really answers the question about his performance in purple swing states we have to win.

I also have doubts about his conservatism, being against a border fence because of cattle issues?  And he was a Hillary-loving Democrat in the 90's that praised her health care plan.  He smacks of political opportunism to me, he saw the way the political winds were blowing in Texas and jumped ship.

Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 08:44 AM (/MENw)

56 One can speculate about his reasons for the nerd-cool choice in spectacles. Oddly tinted. 50% there to MiB. Orange tie. All the rage. Always reminds me of the Orange Revolution.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 08:44 AM (IXrOn)

57 "They need to speak extemporaneously, forcefully and consistently. They need to convince people of their case because it is repeated and explained the same way every time. People need to believe a person is authentic, capable and drive. They need to know it intuitively. Look at how people have grabbed the presidency. Besides having the right positions and skills it is essential to connect with people." Werd.

Posted by: Barack "Werking Class" Obama at March 07, 2014 08:45 AM (gBnkX)

58 most candidates get to begin their runs by stumbling along in low-prominence venues where few people notice them screwing
***
Why not charge one of your staffers with randomly asking you questions about the issues of the day? Because we've seen this with many Republican candidates...look at when Cain was asked about "the right of return"...

Posted by: 18-1 at March 07, 2014 08:45 AM (P3U0f)

59 I'd take his political track record over Rombley's in a heartbeat. It's going to take a look through a microscope to get to Perry's policy flaws. Rombley's were like a fucking flaming zeppelin.

It doesn't have anything to do with Romney. Perry revealed himself to be the kind of politician that wants to decide good and bad capitalism depending on how it affects his chance for election. Fuck that guy.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 08:45 AM (+lsX1)

60 Werd.

Posted by: Barack "Werking Class" Obama at March 07, 2014 12:45 PM (gBnkX)


I can rspect that!

Posted by: Hrothgar at March 07, 2014 08:45 AM (o3MSL)

61 Yep, McAdams is right -- Perry can't even win in Texas. Not counting the 3 times he won in Texas, of course.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:46 AM (ZPrif)

62 Texas unemployment rate is 5.7%

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 07, 2014 12:38 PM (9Bdcz)

What specifically has Perry done to bring that about, that any Republican governor of Texas wouldn't have done?

The success of Texas is a good argument for GOP policies, but it's not really a good argument for Rick Perry in particular.


Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at March 07, 2014 08:46 AM (DPMu1)

63

55 -

 

Good lord, anybody who uses  the phrase "can't win nationwide"  today deserves to be buried up to their necks in an anthill with honey poured  on their heads.

 

Find a different tack, or shut the heck up. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 08:46 AM (TOk1P)

64 Who are these people shouting down Perry? I have never seen their names here before.

Posted by: Judge Pug at March 07, 2014 08:46 AM (hJnUx)

65 I'm pretty sure he's talking giant black dicks.
___
Giant isn't really accurate...I'll go with...good enough?

Posted by: Kal Penn at March 07, 2014 08:47 AM (P3U0f)

66 I can rspect that! The Empress is on a disemvoweling spree, I presume.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 07, 2014 08:47 AM (naUcP)

67 He's my Governor but as noted he did a poor job in '12. Maybe he can get his sit together again for another try. Oh, don't forget that "n!ggerhead" controversy either because we'll get Round 2 of it if he gets anywhere in the nomination process.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 08:47 AM (gOoFi)

68 For myself, I run through the pros and cons. Pro - successful governor of a successful state. Conservative/Libertarian views on subjects I deem important. Mature adult. Con - did not have a good candidacy in terms of public display in 2012. I have to say, in light of my list, he certainly merits a serious consideration. As far as this country goes, since so many people are unserious, their pro/con list may be different.

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2014 08:47 AM (YEQ2h)

69
This may be the case and may not be, but if he is running for 2016, he should have started thinking thru policy positions and 8th grade level simple statements for those positions about a year ago.  Hopefully based on some type of principles.

But if the repub estabs are not gonna attack Hillary because "sexist" and soon, forget it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2014 08:47 AM (gorVZ)

70 Perry's a politician and has been since he moved from being a county (ag) agent to the legislature.  I liked him as state Ag Commissioner (when GWB was governor).  I didn't think he would make a great governor but he's been a pretty good one.

Every agency in state government was grousing and badmouthing him when he sliced the budget to the bone.

Texas' economic strength now kind of is a result of the oil crash of the 1980's which put us in bad shape. There's been a lot of diversification since. And now with the ongoing oil and gas boom thanks to shale fields and fracking the overall economy is humming.

So, it hasn't been all Perry's doing, but his budget and policies have helped.

There's a butt load of people moving to the state and now at least in the central to western part of the state the new crisis is water supply. 

Posted by: Sphynx at March 07, 2014 08:48 AM (OZmbA)

71 What specifically has Perry done to bring that about, that any Republican governor of Texas wouldn't have done? Would "Won't do stupid stuff to sabotage growth and recovery" qualify?

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 07, 2014 08:48 AM (naUcP)

72 I am in for Perry. Perry / Walker 2016. We need executive experience if we are to even start cleaning up this mess. The children have been in charge for too long.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 07, 2014 08:48 AM (32Ze2)

73 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 12:46 PM (ZPrif) I do worry the Left will break out the George Bush Comparisons again. And frankly if they manage to cast him as a W clone, we're screwed. But more particularly, it's one thing to accomplish a conservative agenda in Texas, how does one propose he do this to the US as President? Walker's going to be able to run as someone who accomplished conservative ideals in a hostile environment and that counts for something in my book (but I'm still agnostic on 2016 as a whole)

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 08:48 AM (hq5sb)

74

59 -

 

You know, there really are capitalists who are rotten, greedy bastards, right?

 

They do exist.  You don't have to defend each and every one of them. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 08:48 AM (TOk1P)

75 McAdams clearly has a keen understanding of Texas politics. Perry is unelectable even in Texas -- provided, of course, you don't count the 3 times he was elected Governor. Those were all pretty much based on luck, though.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:49 AM (ZPrif)

76 "It doesn't have anything to do with Romney. Perry revealed himself to be the kind of politician that wants to decide good and bad capitalism depending on how it affects his chance for election. Fuck that guy." Why doesn't it have anything to do with Romney? He was the last nominee, so comparisons are damn useful. He supposedly talked the "Right Kind of Capitalism" and ended up shitting the bed. Not to mentioned was fairly leftwing in a few major policy areas. The point is not to defend Perry's comment (it was stupid), the point is to look at his policy record, which is far more in line with conservative preferences than the last nominee.

Posted by: Barack at March 07, 2014 08:49 AM (gBnkX)

77 Between Walker, Cruz, and Perry I'm happy. Best selection we've had in a decade.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at March 07, 2014 08:49 AM (CnA98)

78 >>Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 12:44 PM (/MENw) <<

I might be convinced that Perry isn't the right candidate. But that is some weapons-grade stupid right there.

I've never met a person who doubts Perry is conservative. Ever.

Cuckoo.

Posted by: Marcus T. Tired of the Mendacious Tripe at March 07, 2014 08:49 AM (GGCsk)

79 Off stuttering sock

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 08:49 AM (gBnkX)

80 Perry was my guy last time and if he runs again, he's high on my list. And Michelle Malkin can suck a bag of dicks if she doesn't like it again this time.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 08:50 AM (7ObY1)

81 This was a spot-on analysis by Ace.  I think Perry has a lot of under-appreciated strengths, and they will look more & more important as 2015 looms closer.

We cd do a lot worse than uniting behind Gov. Perry this time around. 

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at March 07, 2014 08:50 AM (Xkem+)

82 Oooh, flame thread.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 08:50 AM (ZKzrr)

83 Jon you have the answer in your question. Perry just followed GOP policies, and results are the proof that it works. Track record is a good thing, and Perry has one. Of course any other Republican could do the same thing.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 07, 2014 08:50 AM (9Bdcz)

84 72 I am in for Perry. Perry / Walker 2016. We need executive experience if we are to even start cleaning up this mess. The children have been in charge for too long. No on Walker for VP. Either elect him president or leave him here in Wisconsin where he can hold the line against the progressives. Don't take away a strong governor for a meaningless job as VP.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 08:51 AM (oMKp3)

85

I want governors on the debate stage.  I want Conservative governors.  From red or purple states*.  I want either sitting governors or recently left office governors.**  I want them to talk about what they have achieved in their state that is positive.*** 

 

No offense to Senators Paul and Cruz but for President I prefer guys that have results.

 

 

*New Jersey is not a red or purple state.

 

**Jeb Bush  is not a recently left office governor.

 

*** Talking about how you worked with Democrat legislators and achieved a bipartisan outcome is not positive.

Posted by: buzzion at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (LI48c)

86 I like the words but he still stumbles. And what's with the Conan O'Brien double hand bow at the end?

Posted by: MTF at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (F58x4)

87 James F'ing Woods. That's the meaningless VP that we need.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (DcuIu)

88 I heard Perry once used a public restroom that had racist, sexist, and homophobic graffiti. And dick pics. Rumor is he went in, saw the graffiti, and still used the facilities. He didn't immediately storm out and call a press conference to denounce White Privilege. What kind of man can calmly drop a deuce in the presence of such hate?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (ZPrif)

89 He is the ONLY one making noises about running in 2016 so far that I would support.  I saw some of his speeches in the first run and I thought they were pretty good.  It was those God awful non-debates that were bad.  The MFM made damn sure that he looked bad and Romney was pardoned until the anybody but Romney split finally wound up between Romney and de Kook.



It is the same thing every time.  The MFM does everything they can do on the Republican nomination to make sure a "moderate" gets the nod and any real conservative gets shit on.  They did the same damn thing in the previous election.



And this upcoming election is shaping up to be the same shit all over again.  And the Republicans not only have not fixed their shitty primaries, they have made them worse.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (T2V/1)

90 The success of Texas is a good argument for GOP policies, but it's not really a good argument for Rick Perry in particular. Not so. He's been very active in recruiting businesses to locate in Texas. He's done a lot more than just running TV ads and maintaining a business-friendly environment.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (SY2Kh)

91 McCain is in deep shit in Arizona. Look for the sob to retire soon.

Posted by: maddogg at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (xWW96)

92 "Good lord, anybody who uses the phrase "can't win nationwide" today deserves to be buried up to their necks in an anthill with honey poured on their heads." Just thought this bore repeating.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (gBnkX)

93 Perry could be the one if he has his head on straight. Dude's a competitor and was no doubt embarrassed about his run last time (who wouldn't be having to watch those reruns), so I expect him to prepare and take the process seriously this time. I also think he will run. C'mon, Rick, you can do this. Perry 2016

Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (8/DeP)

94 61 Yep, McAdams is right -- Perry can't even win in Texas. Not counting the 3 times he won in Texas, of course. Posted by: Flatbush Joe

Anyone with an R next to his name is going to win Texas, so no that doesn't tell me much at all.

DeBlasio won NYC with something like 75% of the vote, and he has a 30-something percent approval rating.  What that tells me is that DeBlasio is a piss-poor politician.

Perry had the 2012 nomination on a silver platter wrapped in a bow and he blew it, repeatedly.  Not taking that chance again.

Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (/MENw)

95
Compare and contrast:

Perry:  I forgot the 3rd thing.  Shrillary:  I don't recall anything.

Perry: My back surgery sucked for campaigning:  Shrillary: I fell over and hit my head, and so I can't remember anything about Benghazi.

Perry: This country matters.  Shrillary:  What difference does it make?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (gorVZ)

96

73 -

 

Frankly, I never  quite bought the "he's  too much like Bush" nonsense in '12, and by 2016 it will be even less relevant. 

 

 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (TOk1P)

97 I would be happy with Perry, but it's not going to happen. You can't go back and erase all the videotape of him in his first run. Since the vast majority of voters (on our side too) are LIVs, all they will know is what they see on the MSM. And that won't be his new, informed self.

Posted by: jwest at March 07, 2014 08:52 AM (u2a4R)

98 "It's time for a little rebellion on the battlefield of ideas." I'm an unabashed Perry fan. CAC:Walker as BC1981 erry. Yeah, I was disappointed in his performance on stage last time. I'm hopeful for better this time. I look at actions. He's been a conservative governor and has helped his state grow tremendously in pretty much all areas. He was on Hannity's radio show a couple weeks ago and he was calling in from...Sweden? Switzerland?...somewhere over in Europe where he was at an international business conference. He was selling Texas to international companies and investors. I love it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 08:53 AM (da5Wo)

99 yeah, perry sounds great... except for... I am still a big old meanie because I don't want to transform this country by mass importation of ... well...anyone at this point? nor do I want illegals to get anything. That comment by Perry was a Hunstman level of smug and wrong.* * look, Huntsman types, I know science. I am not against MMGW beliefs because I worship snakes and other stereotypes the left has.

Posted by: oejay44cday at March 07, 2014 08:53 AM (smPA7)

100 What specifically has Perry done to bring that about, that any Republican governor of Texas wouldn't have done? Would "Won't do stupid stuff to sabotage growth and recovery" qualify? And actively poaching businesses from Kali & NY?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (ndIek)

101 Romeny was a pretty decent candidate who should have beat Obama.

He ended up being too tepid and squirrel. He appeared to have zero energy to confront or fight for people' That's what killed him. All those consultants saying don't attack or challenge. They pussified him and people thought- geez I've seen this movie before. Better to go with the evil you know.

Romeny was also defined by the Democrats before he even got off the ground. If I remember correctly, they did that with all Republicans and started focusing once it became clear who the leaders would be.

Republicans would be wise to remember that, conme out swinging, define themselves early and PUSH BACK FORCEFULLY against the opposition.

Posted by: Marcus T. Tired of the Mendacious Tripe at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (GGCsk)

102 I was hard core for Perry back in the back. But he reminds LIV's of Bush, so he's not a strong national candidate. It's just the hash truth. Perry = Bush will be the spin 24/7 in the news cycle if he makes primary.

Posted by: Strange Bedfellow at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (q177U)

103

Do I really have to spend another campaign holding my breath and hoping the nominee from Texas  is intellectually capable of  representing my values?

 

God damn it if it comes down to that again.

 

Posted by: CJ at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (9KqcB)

104 The only candidate with a track record of long-term, strategic moves to define and reduce the power of the institutional left is Scott Walker. Period.

Posted by: Oschisms at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (y9dfJ)

105 Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi Standing ovations in Moscow today for Crimea separatist PM AP pic pic.twitter.com/1yJzdq2aFA

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (ZPrif)

106 It was the meds he was on for the back surgery. I totally believe it. No memory. Slowness. Confusion. Recall. ------ Totally with you on that. I have health issues and every month or two I'm sometimes on pain meds for a couple of weeks. Really only at 60% those days. I can't imagine trying to run a national campaign when my body is recovering from major surgery and I'm half stoned. He deserves a second shot; remember he kind of got drafted into a weak Conservative field last time. I think the money came to him and convinced him to jump in. I'm going to sit by the phone in case he calls.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 07, 2014 08:54 AM (tb1us)

107

82 -

 

I wish.

 

Sadly, it's lunch time. 

Posted by: BurtTC at March 07, 2014 08:55 AM (TOk1P)

108 The Texas chairman for Al Gore's '88 campaign that praised Hillary's health care plan in the 90's and is now a rock-ribbed republican? Perfect. He should be awesome.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 08:55 AM (+lsX1)

109 Define and reduce, damnit!

Posted by: Oschisms at March 07, 2014 08:55 AM (y9dfJ)

110 No on Walker for VP. Either elect him president or leave him here in Wisconsin where he can hold the line against the progressives.

Yeah, taking an ass-kicker of their elected office and sending them to funerals is stupid.   Even stupider if you don't win.

Posted by: HR at March 07, 2014 08:55 AM (ZKzrr)

111 104 The only candidate with a track record of long-term, strategic moves to define and reduce the power of the institutional left is Scott Walker. Period. True.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 08:56 AM (oMKp3)

112 Posted by: Marcus T. Tired of the Mendacious Tripe at March 07, 2014 12:49 PM (GGCsk) Not only that, I'd go as far to say that if we could actually elect Perry than we've not just moved the Overton Window, we've basically destroyed it.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at March 07, 2014 08:56 AM (hq5sb)

113 (Sigh) Autocorrect. Defund and reduce.

Posted by: Oschisms at March 07, 2014 08:56 AM (y9dfJ)

114 The last two guys we picked cause they could win nationwide didn't.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 08:56 AM (ZPrif)

115 "The success of Texas is a good argument for GOP policies, but it's not really a good argument for Rick Perry in particular." By this logic, I'm sure you nod with sagely approval every time the Donks blame Bush.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 08:56 AM (gBnkX)

116 Bush was a governor and he was a disaster who gave us Obama.

Bush was a message disaster.  As a governor he did just fine.  In fact the White House office transition from Clinton to Bush and the appointments were silky smooth.

Especially contrasted with Baracka.  Remember all the "It's been 18 months and Obama still doesn't have x, y, and z appointments filled" stories?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at March 07, 2014 08:56 AM (P7Wsr)

117 Let's not forget that Reagan recovered from an awful debate with one simple line: He said he wouldn't make age an issue in the election, and he wouldn't hold his opponent's (Mondale) youth and inexperience against him. Game. Set. Match. Classic Gipper. Even Mondale was laughing. It was all over with one simple line. Not equating Perry to Reagan, just saying that one CAN come back from a bad debate performance.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 08:57 AM (7ObY1)

118 The people moving to Texas for work and a new life ARE NOT, at least so far, the liberal locusts that infested Colorado and Florida. Posted by: CAC ------ I dunno about that. I drive down to Austin every couple of months and I'm pretty sure they are all from California now.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (TcgdJ)

119 102 I was hard core for Perry back in the back. But he reminds LIV's of Bush, so he's not a strong national candidate.

It's just the hash truth. Perry = Bush will be the spin 24/7 in the news cycle if he makes primary.

Posted by: Strange Bedfellow at March 07, 2014 12:54 PM (q177U)Not picking a fight here, I hope, but if your statement is true, then once again all we do is react to the Media - or let them vette our candidates for us. Not saying, incidentally, that your statement isn't true. Perhaps.... Romney was the Media pick the last cycle, and we have proof about how that turned out.

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (YEQ2h)

120 7 Happy to give him a second look. Would love to see him succeed. Has the right instincts...but it's a rough world out there. Posted by: Caliban at March 07, 2014 12:32 PM (DrC22) Yeah, same here. The one thing that will be hard to swallow (and he should speak directly to this) is the one about opponents to in-state tuition having "no heart." This hints of McCainism (sometimes known as Rove-itis) - saving your sharpest criticism for your putative allies. It plays directly into the leftist critique of conservatives which is not fought strenuously enough (for a good example of fighting back and who actually "cares about the children" see DeBlasio post below and WSJ link).

Posted by: duke at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (d3clc)

121
I actually like Cruz over Perry.  He's more articulate and witty. But, he's been demonized in the press to no end. But of course, all Republicans are racist, homophobic, intolerant, polluting, carbon dioxide emitting bastards.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (OZmbA)

122 " The Texas chairman for Al Gore's '88 campaign that praised Hillary's health care plan in the 90's and is now a rock-ribbed republican? Perfect. He should be awesome." Yeah, there is that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (gOoFi)

123 >>The success of Texas is a good argument for GOP policies, but it's not really a good argument for Rick Perry in particular." <<

Geez, you haven't read his policies. Nor do you actually understand his role in many of the states advances- do you?

What exactly does the job of president, or most state executives positions consist of? He says rhetorically...

Posted by: Marcus T. Tired of the Mendacious Tripe at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (GGCsk)

124 At least Perry would win his own fucking state. For the moribund GOPe, that's a plus anymore.

Posted by: Citizen X at March 07, 2014 08:58 AM (7ObY1)

125 yeah he looks like the guitarist from EMF.

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 12:32 PM (/FnUH)




Better than looking like a member of KLF, I guess.  For the whole "electability" thing, anyway.


(Make mine a 99.)

Posted by: Phinn at March 07, 2014 08:59 AM (KOGmz)

126 Don't know about the whole Eat a Bag of Dicks thing, but I'm sure a few of the 'Rons would gladly step up to occupy a bit of Miss Malkin's time.

Posted by: ScoggDog at March 07, 2014 08:59 AM (PBbOM)

127 Has he come around on Heartlessness, yet?

Posted by: garrett at March 07, 2014 08:59 AM (bOwR8)

128 I dunno about that. I drive down to Austin every couple of months and I'm pretty sure they are all from California now. They may be from Kali, doesn't mean they have to be liberal locusts.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 09:00 AM (ndIek)

129 McAdams clearly has a keen understanding of Texas politics. Perry is unelectable even in Texas -- provided, of course, you don't count the 3 times he was elected Governor.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe

No one goes there anymore. It's too crowded!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 09:00 AM (Y/M/K)

130 This is some friendly advice for Gov. Perry. Watch the coffee intake. That speech sounded better than it looked. He was way too animated, although I can understand him being enthusiastic. And, should he decide to run, I'll take another look at him. I supported him last time, right up until his "you have no heart" gaffe. His record as governor speaks for itself.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 07, 2014 09:00 AM (0HooB)

131 122 " The Texas chairman for Al Gore's '88 campaign that praised Hillary's health care plan in the 90's and is now a rock-ribbed republican? Perfect. He should be awesome."


Yeah, there is that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 12:58 PM (gOoFi)

 

Rick Perry has been a Republican longer than former Democrat Ronald Reagan was before he became a Republican and President.

Posted by: buzzion at March 07, 2014 09:01 AM (LI48c)

132 No title? So what, I always skip right to the comments anyway.

Posted by: Andrew B. at March 07, 2014 09:01 AM (1Rgee)

133 Oh, don't forget that "n!ggerhead" controversy either because we'll get Round 2 of it if he gets anywhere in the nomination process.... imus brought it up this very morning, as if he's in any position to talk.

Posted by: concrete girl at March 07, 2014 09:01 AM (kMlWp)

134 The Texas chairman for Al Gore's '88 campaign that praised Hillary's health care plan in the 90's and is now a rock-ribbed republican? Perfect. He should be awesome. The Gore endorsement was 25 freaking years ago. Let it go. I suspect that more than a few True Conservatives had much different political views a quarter century ago than they do now. Also, he didn't praise Hillary's health care plan. She didn't yet have a health care plan at the time.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2014 09:01 AM (SY2Kh)

135 Romeny was also defined by the Democrats before he even got off the ground
***
True, but it was even more then that - the media helped elevate Romney as the Republican candidate from the get go as they knew he would be a poor match for Obama.

In fact, you could see as early as 2010 that they wanted to run against Romney and were preparing to do so. That whole election cycle was like watching Daffy Duck walk into Elmer Fudd's rabbit trap.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 07, 2014 09:02 AM (P3U0f)

136 "But if they're not -- if he takes his time off to hit that briefing book and study it like he's about to take the SATs -- then he'd be a good candidate."

Perry's intellect reminds me of McCain (ouch). I don't care how much they study, they're still only grasping a superficial understanding of things. Guys like Jindal, Paul and Cruz grasp things quickly, almost immediately and if they study an issue, they get in into the minutia.  Perry may have other attributes that can keep him on even plain in a campaign, but I still don't feel he would be the right man for the job.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 07, 2014 09:02 AM (IV4od)

137 Bush was great compared to Obama and any Democrat. Just on judicial appointments alone. The damage Obama has wreaked with judicial appts alone will last for decades.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 09:02 AM (ZPrif)

138 108 The Texas chairman for Al Gore's '88 campaign that praised Hillary's health care plan in the 90's and is now a rock-ribbed republican? Perfect. He should be awesome.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head

+1

And don't tell me the Democrat Party was ideologically finding itself in the mid-nineties.  The lines were very clear, and here's Perry writing a letter patting Hillary on the back for her socialist health care plan.

http://tinyurl.com/l7obqv4

How do you think that's going to go down if Hillary is the nominee and health care policy is the main weapon we have in the next election?

Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 09:02 AM (/MENw)

139 "I'm a jaded critic on speechesÂ…" Most of us here are also.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:02 AM (A98Xu)

140 Those glasses suck. Did he get them from Pajama Boy?

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 07, 2014 09:03 AM (0FSuD)

141
I might even vote if it was a Cruz/Paul or a Paul/Cruz ticket.

I guess it goes though that ABH will be the first standard come 2016.

My gut feeling on Perry is big govt do-something type instead of rein it in.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (gorVZ)

142 "Bush was a message disaster." I'm pretty sure that adding the DHS, Medicare Part D, NCLB, and the other tangible gov't bloatings he implemented that don't immediately come to mind were more than messages.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (gBnkX)

143 Walker did not go to CPAC this year.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (oMKp3)

144 I'd seriously give him a second look, but I do not trust him on amnesty at all. I think that he sincerely believes in amnesty the way that alot of Catholics and Evangelicals like Huckabee do out of a sense of compassion to help the poor. I don't think his "don't have a heart" comment was just an unfortunate ill thought out remark. I think he sincerely believes that.

Posted by: L, elle at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (0xqKe)

145 >>Rick Perry has been a Republican longer than former Democrat Ronald Reagan was before he became a Republican and President.<<

Honestly. People take little factoids without any context and raise them up a flagpole likes its a new standard.

The absolute foolishness and petty stupidity is what kills us. No candidate is perfect. Look at who is serving in the Oval Office. We call that a clue.

We are our own worst enemy. And STOOPID as shown by that comment.

Posted by: Marcus T. Tired of the Mendacious Tripe at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (GGCsk)

146 6 Walker. Posted by: CAC at March 07, 2014 12:32 PM (YzXIl) New to thread. I second the motion. No Texas baggage.

Posted by: Nip Sip at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (0FSuD)

147

yeah he looks like the guitarist from EMF.

 

Posted by: ace at March 07, 2014 12:32 PM (/FnUH)


Better than looking like a member of KLF, I guess. For the whole "electability" thing, anyway.


(Make mine a 99.)

Posted by: Phinn

 

You're looking for a 'Tru-Con' vibe?

 

 

Posted by: KMFDM at March 07, 2014 09:04 AM (87y4e)

148 Al Gore also was a conservative "New Democrat" back then who supported free trade and welfare reform and tough on crime policies.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 09:05 AM (ZPrif)

149 Those glasses suck. Did he get them from Pajama Boy? Word is he's having the rest stuffed to display as a trophy.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 07, 2014 09:05 AM (naUcP)

150 87 James F'ing Woods. That's the meaningless VP that we need. Oh, Woods' gigantic dick would be deemed a sexist "dog whistle" -- war against wimmens.

Posted by: wooga at March 07, 2014 09:06 AM (Q1BWs)

151 I'd probably vote for Perry. He seems nice in the speech. He also seems like he'd be eaten alive by the national media as Bush 2.0 the dumb cousin.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:06 AM (GSIDW)

152 >>Perry's intellect reminds me of McCain (ouch). I don't care how much they study, they're still only grasping a superficial understanding of things.<<


I get the same vibe. Not that the chief executive has to know every detail and deal with every detail (ala Jimmah Carter).  

Bill O'Reilly is in the same camp.  Bill recently discovered the World Wide Web and daily he's been giving tips to viewers. Did you know that there is actually a website called hotels.com that can give you all hotel prices in the city you plan to visit?  And there's this thing called Pandora where you can listen to music you like, anytime?  Wow. Amazing.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 07, 2014 09:06 AM (OZmbA)

153

I'm pretty sure that adding the DHS, Medicare Part D, NCLB, and the other tangible gov't bloatings he implemented that don't immediately come to mind were more than messages.

 

Sure, but I wouldn't put any of those strikes into the "disaster" column.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 07, 2014 09:06 AM (r7OAD)

154 Well, is Perry clean and articulate?....... cause, hell, that's what counts. And glasses.

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (YEQ2h)

155 Bush was a message disaster. As a governor he did just fine. In fact the White House office transition from Clinton to Bush and the appointments were silky smooth.

Especially contrasted with Baracka. Remember all the "It's been 18 months and Obama still doesn't have x, y, and z appointments filled" stories?

Posted by: bonhomme at March 07, 2014 12:56 PM (P7Wsr)

Bush was a policy disaster: On immigration, on Iraq, on spending, and so on.  

The fact that Bush did well in Texas but bombed as POTUS makes my point about Perry: Pretty much any GOP governor is going to have a good record in a state like Texas, it doesn't take any great talent to push conservative policies there.



Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (DPMu1)

156
OK.... O/T

Am I the only person watching the new series of Vikings???

I dont hear a peep about Ragnor on here or any other social media.


Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (nELVU)

157 Once the MSM zeroed in on Perry, he would be toast. It's not what is already on tape, it's how those things are characterized. Palin never actually said anything stupid, however the press was able to take perfectly acceptable things and twist them into punchlines. Can you imagine what they would do with Perry? And the assault on his past would be Palin times two. Hard to imagine this working.

Posted by: jwest at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (u2a4R)

158 #44 - Oh I would just love it if the President of RedEye was Perry's mentor or his running mate, either situation makes me smile.

Posted by: jaimo at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (9U1OG)

159 Go with action and outcome. Christie's New Jersey is doing poorly, nothing major has improved. Perry's Texas has a surplus, a rainy day fund and fairly booming business. Jindal's Luisiana is doing better. etc..

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (A98Xu)

160 "As someone who's frequently run down -- and not feeling mentally sharp -- myself, this all makes sense to me.

But... I need to see proof that the page has turned from Perry's near-disastrous 2012 run."

 

 

Since this is March 2014, he has a lot of lead time to get himself up to speed on facts, and plenty of time to work himself through a lot of the low profile events that are important (you meet the people who actually know what is going on politically in a state and are the backbone of local political parties).

 

CPAC Is a nice reintroduction, but he really - like all other potential candidates - needs to get out to various Lincoln Day dinners in various states and actually meet the people that will be working on the campaign at the local level.  He needs their support if he is going to win the primaries (because these people will work the polls for primaries and they will show up to vote - guaranteed).

 

Good luck to Gov. Perry.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Sick of the Snowplow Bills for the Outrage Outlet - Bring Me The Head Of Al Gore! at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (hLRSq)

161 Al Gore also was a conservative "New Democrat" back then who supported free trade and welfare reform and tough on crime policies.

So Perry was supporting Gore because he was the more conservative candidate? Sounds like a winner. Stick with that.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 09:07 AM (+lsX1)

162 Rick will save the children, but not the liberal children ...

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (QupBk)

163 Maxim Eristavi ‏@MaximEristavi .@Yatsenyuk_AP: Ukraine to sign deal with EU within weeks http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/yatseniuk- ukraine-to-sign-deal-with-eu-within-weeks-338707.html Â… pic.twitter.com/CtWIbR0lGB

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (ZPrif)

164 I'm pretty much exactly with you on this ace.  Was excited for him in 2012, and disappointed when things went awry as they did.  I'd like to see how he handles some pressure again before I would get aboard the Perry train again.

Posted by: Heralder at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (/Mxso)

165 I have the Vikings 201 episode downloaded but have not viewed yet.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (FqZ/E)

166 Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 01:02 PM (/MENw) I'm actually eager to see what criticisms there are of Perry, but that link (and the letter) are a big nothingburger.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (gBnkX)

167 143 Walker did not go to CPAC this year. Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 01:04 PM (oMKp3) -- Why is that?

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (GSIDW)

168

Ace,

 

Don't get interested in Perry. He's not particulary bright and his heart isn't in the right place. the last time he ran for governor, he only pulled 53% of the votes .... and this in an election where the rest of the statewide Republicans pulled upwards of 65% of the vote.  People don't really like him here, but nobody will run against him and the alternative -some vapid Texas Dem - is worse. So Perry is the least bad option, and since the governor of Texas doesn't really do anything, people figure he can't really screw anything up so what the heck.

 

Find somebody inspiring and with principles, like .... I don't know who, just somebody besides Perry.

Posted by: the other coyote at March 07, 2014 09:08 AM (yK44T)

169 He seems to have left his pain meds home..  that was a damn rousing speech.. red meat for the CPAC attendees.

I was behind him in 2012 as well.. he just fizzled..  I don't know if he can be trusted to move beyond that, however.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 07, 2014 09:09 AM (Z7PrM)

170 Ben Carson might be a good VP. He's retired. Smart. Articulate. Smooth. And, he won't take anyone away from running their state.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 09:09 AM (IXrOn)

171 "It's just the hash truth. Perry = Bush will be the spin 24/7 in the news cycle if he makes primary.

Posted by: Strange Bedfellow at March 07, 2014 12:54 PM (q177U)"



You mean if Perry is President we will have 4% unemployment again?  That doesn't seem so bad.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 07, 2014 09:09 AM (PD6iL)

172 OK.... O/T Am I the only person watching the new series of Vikings??? I dont hear a peep about Ragnor on here or any other social media. Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2014 01:07 PM (nELVU) I'm watching it.

Posted by: Tami [/i][/b][/u][/s] at March 07, 2014 09:09 AM (bCEmE)

173 yeah, I'm not sold on the aggie former democrat who never worked in the private sector yet claims to have created jobs. politicians don't create jobs. the best they can do is not get in the way. and that ni66erhead shit, true or not, ain't gonna fly.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:09 AM (KHo8t)

174 I dont hear a peep about Ragnor on here or any other social media. Please, no spoilers on last night's episode. I haven't seen it yet. This season's opener was surprising.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 07, 2014 09:09 AM (0HooB)

175 You really think Rick Perry could defeat hitlery clinton in 2016? hahahahahahahaha! Stop dreaming, my fiends.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (FqZ/E)

176 The LIV's Perry=Bush problem will be solved if Jeb runs. Perry and Jeb debating each other will be the perfect vehicle for Perry to differentiate himself as "not Bush."

Posted by: wooga at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (Q1BWs)

177 "I don't care how much they study, they're still only grasping a superficial understanding of things." Can you give any examples of this. Evidently his understanding of economics is pretty fricken good.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (A98Xu)

178 Perry is the only candidate to list federal departments that he would  close, which is what we need.


Now, all he has to do is remember all of them.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (/i3Yt)

179 Am I the only person watching the new series of Vikings???

I dont hear a peep about Ragnor on here or any other social media.

Posted by: fixerupper

Oh, a bunch of morons here watch it. I gave up after the magic mushrooms episode.

I can accept a bit of stupid in my TV but they went into Extra Stupid mode. Besides it's as historically accurate as a Saturday morning cartoon.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (Y/M/K)

180 167 143 Walker did not go to CPAC this year. Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 01:04 PM (oMKp3) -- Why is that? Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 01:08 PM (GSIDW) I think mainly because he's concentrating on his re-election campaign here in Wisconsin. Again. Even though it's been less than two years since he won the recall, he has to run again this November.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (oMKp3)

181 Gristle -- are you being serious? Honestly can't tell. Trying to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (ZPrif)

182 "And the assault on his past would be Palin times two. Hard to imagine this working. Posted by: jwest at March 07, 2014 01:07 PM (u2a4R)" Hard to imagine a reality in which Perry gets more grief than Palin. As a direct refutation of your thesis, I present to you the fact that the media forgot about Perry and still goes after Palin. Try a different route.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 09:10 AM (gBnkX)

183 Would "Won't do stupid stuff to sabotage growth and recovery" qualify? Posted by: Brother Cavil at March 07, 2014 12:48 PM (naUcP) Perry is on his federalism kick again, which dovetails with this theory. "Put me in charge. I'll get out of the way!"

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at March 07, 2014 09:11 AM (09o/X)

184 >>161 Al Gore also was a conservative "New Democrat" back then who supported
free trade and welfare reform and tough on crime policies.

So Perry was supporting Gore because he was the more conservative candidate? Sounds like a winner. Stick with that.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head
<<


Actually, yeah, Gore was sort of family values conservative back then and Tipper was criticizing rap lyrics and violent video games.

Remember, too, that Texas didn't swing fully GOP until 1994.  You could actually be a Democrat then and conservative and traditional values friendly.

Gore has morphed as much to the left since as Perry has adopted the stance to the right.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 07, 2014 09:11 AM (OZmbA)

185
I'm watching Vikings but I don't know why, nothing else on maybe.  The acting is abysmal.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 07, 2014 09:11 AM (gorVZ)

186 I'm watching Vikings but haven't seen the newest ep yet.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:11 AM (GSIDW)

187 Great closing to the speech.  I like Perry and would support him.  The states like Texas and Oklahoma that are Conservative are showing real success with job creation and quality of life.  Oklahoma is arguably even more Conservative than Texas, all Congress Critters and Senators are Cs, the Governor, and both houses of the legislature are Republican held and not one county in Oklahoma voted for Bambam in 2008 or 2012.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at March 07, 2014 09:11 AM (kXoT0)

188 "154 Well, is Perry clean and articulate?....... cause, hell, that's what counts. And glasses.

Posted by: tubal at March 07, 2014 01:07 PM (YEQ2h)"



I do like his sharply creased trousers.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 07, 2014 09:12 AM (PD6iL)

189 And don't tell me the Democrat Party was ideologically finding itself in the mid-nineties. The lines were very clear, and here's Perry writing a letter patting Hillary on the back for her socialist health care plan. Given that your intentional mischaracterization of the circumstances and facts, I'm just going to go ahead and put you in the 'shameless liar' bin.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 07, 2014 09:12 AM (SY2Kh)

190 "Am I the only person watching the new series of Vikings???"

I quit watching it, it's just Dynasty with gratuitous violence.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 07, 2014 09:12 AM (IV4od)

191 162 Rick will save the children, but not the liberal children ... Perry fucks the shit out of bears.

Posted by: wooga at March 07, 2014 09:12 AM (Q1BWs)

192 Perry looks natural in jeans, so there's that.

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 09:13 AM (QupBk)

193 If Perry does get elected there will be one pretty good side effect. His people hate Karl Rove, factor in Rove's horrible rate of return over the last few election cycles and that pudgy bastard will probably be banished to the outer darkness. Fox will probably still pay him but the donors will stop taking his calls.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 07, 2014 09:13 AM (HEa5q)

194 Unlike Cornyn, Perry has my vote.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 07, 2014 09:13 AM (BAS5M)

195 It's not what is already on tape, it's how those things are characterized. Palin never actually said anything stupid, however the press was able to take perfectly acceptable things and twist them into punchlines. Can you imagine what they would do with Perry? Then they'll twist or manufacture anything anyone from our side says. Might as well close up shop and go home.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 09:13 AM (ndIek)

196 I'm not going to support Perry in the primaries but I am also not going to bash him to anyone or any blog with my reasons. I'll do my best to just try and provide reasons why someone should vote for whatever candidate I eventually will settle on.

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 09:13 AM (Kz9dH)

197 Those glasses suck.

Did he get them from Pajama Boy?

Posted by: Nip Sip

Yeah! And they don't match his purse either!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 09:13 AM (Y/M/K)

198
There's no actual evidence that governors make better presidents than senators.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at March 07, 2014 12:36 PM (DPMu1)









Yet the list of Senator Presidents includes JugEars, Nixon, JFK, LBJ, Truman.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 07, 2014 09:14 AM (TIIx5)

199 Remember, too, that Texas didn't swing fully GOP until 1994. You could actually be a Democrat then and conservative and traditional values friendly.  Posted by: Sphynx at March 07, 2014 01:11 PM (OZmbA)

Same thing with Oklahoma, there were a lot of true Conservatives who voted Democrats because that's how they were brought up--UNTIL they realized like Reagan, the Democratic Party was not their natural home.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes, think mink. at March 07, 2014 09:14 AM (kXoT0)

200 NOOD! CAC Forecast...

Posted by: Slapweasel at March 07, 2014 09:14 AM (lq3Ak)

201 "People don't really like him here, " Posted by: the other coyote at March 07, 2014 01:08 PM (yK44T) You must be a troll because you sound retarded.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:14 AM (A98Xu)

202 Rick will save the children, but not the liberal children ... Perry fucks the shit out of bears. Shoots coyotes while walking his dog.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 07, 2014 09:14 AM (ndIek)

203 The acting is abysmal. What it lacks in acting performance, it makes up in historical substance and, of course, bloody head-splitting. You know what you also get with better acting? Bullshit melodramatic scenes like in Games Of Thrones. No thanks.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 07, 2014 09:15 AM (FqZ/E)

204 121 I actually like Cruz over Perry. Me too. Although I do have a bias in favor of governors.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:15 AM (GSIDW)

205 I liked Perry's statement about "making DC inconsequential in peoples' every day lives" line in '012. It's be interesting to see if he says it again. I think he'd get a lot of mileage from it after 404Care's disaster.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 07, 2014 09:15 AM (0HooB)

206 You guys slay me. You actually thing there is ANY R candidate that won't be mauled during the elections cycle? Perry no more than anyone else.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:16 AM (A98Xu)

207 "Hard to imagine a reality in which Perry gets more grief than Palin." There is enough material in the last campaign for SNL to run an entire season. By the time they get done with him, most LIVs will think English is a second language for Perry.

Posted by: jwest at March 07, 2014 09:16 AM (u2a4R)

208 "Sure, but I wouldn't put any of those strikes into the "disaster" column." The guy was almost singlehandedly responsible for the Donks retaking everything. Chalking that all up to "message" sounds like something Obama's advisers say. Bush was a demonstrable disaster on several levels. Results matter.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at March 07, 2014 09:16 AM (gBnkX)

209 Remember, too, that Texas didn't swing fully GOP until 1994. You could actually be a Democrat then and conservative and traditional values friendly.

Sure. What I'm looking for in a GOP candidate is one that waits until his state "swings GOP" to start supporting GOP candidates and GOP policies. That's the mark of a true leader.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 09:16 AM (+lsX1)

210 >>>Remember, too, that Texas didn't swing fully GOP until 1994. Texas was solidly GOP in the 80's as far as the population. Thanks to the 80's redistricting, Dems in office were able to hang on a while longer.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:16 AM (KHo8t)

211 Perry got some sorely needed debate training and improved.  Unless Hillary has backup from the moderators, she'll fold like before and play the hurt woman.

Posted by: ryukyu at March 07, 2014 09:16 AM (C6XFd)

212 So far I'm not impressed with CPAC. Culture? Nada. What happened to grabbing the culture back? The people behind CPAC are so far behind the times... What will attract others to watch? Nothing. Boring.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 09:17 AM (IXrOn)

213 Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 07, 2014 01:13 PM (HEa5q) I don't think that is true. At least not Perry himself.

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 09:17 AM (Kz9dH)

214 If only Perry had some sort of record as Governor, ideally of a large state, so we could see what he would do if actually given power. But no, he said something nice about Al Gore 25 years ago when Al Gore advocated totally different policies than he does today --- clearly that's the intelligent thing to focus on since we don't have a decade plus of actual governing behavior to analyze. If only we could evaluate Governors by the actual policies they implement as Governors. But that's just crazy talk.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 09:17 AM (ZPrif)

215 Yeah, yeah I'd support this guy for President. http://tinyurl.com/mweyj75

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at March 07, 2014 09:17 AM (da5Wo)

216 Reagan was a Democrat once. Can you imagine what a disaster he would be if he was elected President?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 09:18 AM (ZPrif)

217 Gov. Perry, you immediately lose points for starting your speech before the applause stopped--what is that?  It's like he's not reacting to the crowd enough.  Not great.

That said, I'd campaign for him.  No more amateur hour candidates please!

Posted by: @ChickenKievParamus at March 07, 2014 09:18 AM (ztMkL)

218 "173 yeah, I'm not sold on the aggie former democrat who never worked in the private sector yet claims to have created jobs. politicians don't create jobs. the best they can do is not get in the way. and that ni66erhead shit, true or not, ain't gonna fly.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 01:09 PM (KHo8t)"



And yet, many politicians just can't seem to not get in the way.  Perry has demonstrated that he can do that.



As for the other stuff, I think that Mitt Romney was a demonstration that when the Democrats and their catamites in the Media can't find anything real, they make things up and report them as if they were real.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at March 07, 2014 09:18 AM (PD6iL)

219 Sure. What I'm looking for in a GOP candidate is one that waits until his state "swings GOP" to start supporting GOP candidates and GOP policies. That's the mark of a true leader.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head



How's that there Mitch McConnell working out for you.

Posted by: Sphynx at March 07, 2014 09:18 AM (OZmbA)

220 Posted by: fixerupper at March 07, 2014 01:07 PM (nELVU) One of my favorite shows. Hell yeah I'm watching it.

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 09:19 AM (fWAjv)

221 216 Reagan was a Democrat once. Can you imagine what a disaster he would be if he was elected President? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 07, 2014 01:18 PM (ZPrif) HA! Good one.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:19 AM (A98Xu)

222 206 You guys slay me. You actually thing there is ANY R candidate that won't be mauled during the elections cycle? Perry no more than anyone else. -- This is true. And another reason I like Cruz - he already knows to treat the media as enemies.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:19 AM (GSIDW)

223 You know what you also get with better acting? Bullshit melodramatic scenes like in Games Of Thrones. No thanks.

Posted by: soothsayer

GoT is Shakespeare compared to Vikings.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 09:20 AM (Y/M/K)

224 But... I need to see proof that the page has turned from Perry's near-disastrous 2012 run. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm open to Perry, but he does have to show me he's on the ball and has thought more seriously not just about the general principles of conservatism but the practical application of them at the present moment. --- That's where I am with him. One thing I am most definitely NOT interested in is this stupid crystal ball gazing about the electability of various prospective candidates. I believe a Texan CAN win every bit as much as a Northerner. A white guy can win, as can an Hispanic woman. There was clearly so much wish-casting and projection and plain old lying going on last time from the chattering class that I plan to tune them out this time. They don't know shit. What it takes to win is a strong candidate backed by a strong party. That's it.

Posted by: Y-not at March 07, 2014 09:20 AM (zDsvJ)

225 Rick Perry makes all the Chubby Chasers shit their britches.

Posted by: toby928© at March 07, 2014 09:20 AM (QupBk)

226 "And another reason I like Cruz - he already knows to treat the media as enemies" I agree.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:21 AM (A98Xu)

227 You do know who ultimately convinced Perry to become a Republican right? That's right. Rove .

Posted by: Otto Tyme at March 07, 2014 09:21 AM (Kz9dH)

228 32 brb bunk Posted by: L, elle at March 07, 2014 12:38 PM (0xqKe) +1

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at March 07, 2014 09:21 AM (qFpRI)

229 I think mainly because he's concentrating on his re-election campaign here in Wisconsin. Again. Even though it's been less than two years since he won the recall, he has to run again this November. Posted by: grammie winger at March 07, 2014 01:10 PM (oMKp3) He really lost an opportunity, imo. He could have intertwined CPAC as part of his campaign. I really wanted to hear him speak.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 09:21 AM (IXrOn)

230 I like him.  I like the glasses!  But what's with starting the speech before the applause dies down sufficiently?  That's a bit robotic for me.

Unemployment in TX id 5.7%--are there stats to show % of population in labor force there?  That would put the lie to Obamas bullshit stats...

Posted by: @ChickenKievParamus at March 07, 2014 09:22 AM (ztMkL)

231 This is true. And another reason I like Cruz - he already knows to treat the media as enemies. Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 01:19 PM (GSIDW) Yep. He thinks on his feet, and has the type of radar to detect BS, slander, and lies.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 07, 2014 09:23 AM (IXrOn)

232 I don't think his "don't have a heart" comment was just an unfortunate ill thought out remark. I think he sincerely believes that. Posted by: L, elle It is more complicated than that because Texas Culture is eternally intertwined with Mexican Culture with families living on both sides of the border. There are also plenty more Conservative Hispanics in Texas that don't like open borders one bit than are recognized Nationally. He's got to figure out a way to resolve the inherent hypocracy that will always be there on a local level---Your neighbor's daughter is here illegally but you know the family and her so "it's OK" while that unknown guy who got in a fight needs to be sent back. Human nature. I don't know if he can do it or if he wants to do it is my problem. Bush failed in many respects. But if he can't it won't be good for the Country. We can't have "open borders".

Posted by: Daybrother at March 07, 2014 09:24 AM (YbmGC)

233 Reagan was a Democrat once. Can you imagine what a disaster he would be if he was elected President?

That's probably why Perry was a democrat throughout both of Reagan's terms. He didn't trust him.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 09:24 AM (+lsX1)

234 Everyone likes a good comeback story. Perry will be interesting to watch. Maybe he will play the good soldier and run but not run against anyone else. Don't attack other candidates (other than Dems). Praise the others running. Help yourself and/or help the party. I'd like to see Perry run a completely positive campaign.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:24 AM (gmeXX)

235 I would very much like to see the rest of the US run like Texas.

Posted by: Mike at March 07, 2014 09:25 AM (Rk8LS)

236 Hmm, that last 90 seconds was a shot across the respective bows of Christie and Jeb Bush. He knows who he's running against, anyway.

Posted by: joncelli at March 07, 2014 09:25 AM (RD7QR)

237 I've lived in Texas all my life and have been watching him his entire career here.  I always thought his big mistake last time was not appreciating the vast difference between running for governor and running for president.  I think he was run down and ill-prepared.
Just watched the video and HOT DAMN he has been upping his game the whole time I thought he was just enjoying poaching businesses for  Texas and setting the stage for Greg Abbott. 
He is far from being a choir boy but the line about grubbing for power being a bipartisan offense in DC made me take notice.  Returning power to the states is a logical and shrewd platform for the power governors of the US.

Hot damn, Rick.  This is gonna be fun.

Posted by: farmersusie at March 07, 2014 09:25 AM (ydb8s)

238 That's probably why Perry was a democrat throughout both of Reagan's terms. He didn't trust him. ----- I suspect he was a Democrat because to get elected in Texas then you had to be a Democrat.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:25 AM (gmeXX)

239 "Sure. What I'm looking for in a GOP candidate is one that waits until his state "swings GOP" to start supporting GOP candidates and GOP policies. That's the mark of a true leader." To be fair a lot people in general found themselves in this place. Politically conservative but culturally, historically Dem voters. Hell, to this day I am still registered to vote in the Democrat Primary due to the way our system works.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at March 07, 2014 09:26 AM (gOoFi)

240 Nood

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/b][/i] at March 07, 2014 09:26 AM (4df7R)

241 standard press characterization of a GOP candidate is some combination of evil and an idiot. Both if they can pull it off. Reagan = amiable dunce, Bush = stupid, Cheney = fucking Hitler. I don't care if he was once a dem and said nice things about algore in '88 dude has a 12 year record as governor it's a better barometer than a senators voting record.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 07, 2014 09:27 AM (HEa5q)

242 I want to see Perry run for the Walker/Jindal/Perry side of the party.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:27 AM (gmeXX)

243 We can blather all we want about voting for whomever the republicans nominate because it would be better than any dem. But I guran-dam-tee-you that if Jeb Bush is our candidate too many people will just say, "screw it" and not vote.

Posted by: Seems legit at March 07, 2014 09:29 AM (A98Xu)

244 >>>>I suspect he was a Democrat because to get elected in Texas then you had to be a Democrat. tell Phil Gramm about it.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:29 AM (KHo8t)

245 Perry should start growing a beard right now. By 2016 that thing would be fat and monstrous and he'd have my vote.

Posted by: Mike in the Hinterlands at March 07, 2014 09:29 AM (DNpio)

246 Walker/Perry Paul/Cruz Bush/Christie VS Hillary/Warren Hillary/Cuomo Hillary/Bill Pat Paulson is still dead.

Posted by: Daybrother at March 07, 2014 09:30 AM (dJt67)

247 I suspect he was a Democrat because to get elected in Texas then you had to be a Democrat.

Zombie Bill Clements would be surprised to hear that.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 07, 2014 09:30 AM (+lsX1)

248 People can mock Bush and Perry's intellect all they want, but for 20 years Texas has had the best economy on the planet. There's low unemployment, few union entanglements, no state income taxes, the legislature only meets every other year, and to the extent it's possible anymore it's an example of governing best by governing least. And Texas has money banked in a rainy day fund. Obviously Perry has been doing something right.

Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:30 AM (8/DeP)

249 Ace, Regarding Perry's in-state-tuition/illegal-alien/have-no-heart comments, I think he was going to play that like Bush played "compassionate conservatism." I think it backfired tremendously, but he expected conservatives to respond with some kind of emotive sympathy for the plight of the child of the illegal immigrant and bridge a gap between pro-amnesty repubs and hardcore conservatives. I am content with Perry as our governor, and I would vote for him without reservation as our nominee, BUT, he is kind of a buffoonish charicature of what non-Texans think people from Texas are like. He has a lot of swagger. I think he is a politician before he is a conservative, but being a conservative keeps him in politics in TX. He knows where his bread gets buttered. I expect he would go strongly to the center after attaining the nomination, and even more after being elected, but he's starting from a place that is pretty far right, and President Perry would be palatable, but not the same as Governor Perry.

Posted by: Sambo at March 07, 2014 09:31 AM (zO0l6)

250 >>>said nice things about algore in '88 things like, I'll be your Texas campaign manager.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:31 AM (KHo8t)

251 People can mock Bush and Perry's intellect all they want, but for 20 years Texas has had the best economy on the planet. There's low unemployment, few union entanglements, no state income taxes, the legislature only meets every other year, and to the extent it's possible anymore it's an example of governing best by governing least. And Texas has money banked in a rainy day fund. Obviously Perry has been doing something right. ---- I think the key point is a legislature that meets every other year.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:31 AM (gmeXX)

252 I don't think Perry's run was all that disastrous, especially when you look at the festival of screwups, gaffes, and outright political throat cutting that President Obama engaged in the same election season. Perry just lost, so people focus on the bad and overinflate it in their memories.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter though. The Democrat wins, whoever it is. They've proven they can run the most worthless, uninspiring, incompetent idiot with a horrible campaign and still win. They don't need a big win, all they have to do is get within that 3% fraud margin.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 07, 2014 09:32 AM (zfY+H)

253 Clearly we need a lifelong Republican, like John McCain, Lindsey Graham, John Boehner, Jeb Bush and Chris Christie to run.  Because that's what truly matters: Being a lifelong Republican.

Posted by: buzzion at March 07, 2014 09:32 AM (LI48c)

254

@22 I don't get this governor/"executive experience" fetish. Bush was a governor and he was a disaster who gave us Obama. There's no actual evidence that governors make better presidents than senators.

------------------

 

Probably largely because so few Senators win the presidency.

 

Executive experience is better than legislative experience because being a good executive requires leadership ability.  You can't run a state unless you're at least a semi-decent leader - something that is blatantly lacking in the current White House.

 

Posted by: junior at March 07, 2014 09:32 AM (UWFpX)

255 I am content with Perry as our governor, and I would vote for him without reservation as our nominee, BUT, he is kind of a buffoonish charicature of what non-Texans think people from Texas are like. He has a lot of swagger. I think he is a politician before he is a conservative, but being a conservative keeps him in politics in TX. He knows where his bread gets buttered. I expect he would go strongly to the center after attaining the nomination, and even more after being elected, but he's starting from a place that is pretty far right, and President Perry would be palatable, but not the same as Governor Perry. ----- I think that is largely true. That is why if he does run, I want him to run a completely positive campaign. I want him to run on Texas ideas. So even if he doesn't win, I want the Texas ideas to win. I think Perry can be a very effective conservative voice in 2016 even if he doesn't win.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:33 AM (gmeXX)

256 "What exactly does the job of president, or most state executives positions consist of?" Golf, vacations, and teleprompters judging by the present.

Posted by: Coolpapa at March 07, 2014 09:34 AM (1eFP9)

257 252 Ultimately, it doesn't matter though. The Democrat wins, whoever it is. They've proven they can run the most worthless, uninspiring, incompetent idiot with a horrible campaign and still win. They don't need a big win, all they have to do is get within that 3% fraud margin. -- Yup. I remember being so mad at Mad Money Jim Cramer for predicting an Obama landslide in 2012; turns out he was closer than any other predictions. I've decided that he was actually signaling that the game was rigged.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:34 AM (GSIDW)

258 ...those who oppose in-state tuition for illegal alien children "have no heart"... Having been plagued with an intractable illegal alien problem for so long (government-caused, to be sure), and combined with constant agitation for special treatment of said illegal aliens by their sympathizers, having heart with respect to this problem is the least of my concerns.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 07, 2014 09:34 AM (AQTz3)

259 dude has a 12 year record as governor it's a better barometer than a senators voting record. Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at March 07, 2014 01:27 PM (HEa5q) Yep

Posted by: RWC at March 07, 2014 09:36 AM (fWAjv)

260 I don't get this governor/"executive experience" fetish. Bush was a governor and he was a disaster who gave us Obama. There's no actual evidence that governors make better presidents than senators. ---- I tend to agree. I prefer ideology above all else. If you can couple that with executive experience (i.e., Reagan), all the better. Its really nothing more than a campaign point. Since we do have good ideological candidates who are govenors, I prefer them over our potential senatorial candidates. Besides, you need good senators too, so I'd rather increase their numbers and standing, not decrease it.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:36 AM (gmeXX)

261 here's the difference. Reagan didn't become a Republican because that was the way the wind was blowing. Reagan actually believed that crazy small government shit. Perry might. I don't know. but Texas was booming long before he came along.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:37 AM (KHo8t)

262 But I guran-dam-tee-you that if Jeb Bush is our candidate too many people will just say, "screw it" and not vote. Breitbart's site had a warning to the GOP this morning, showing Jeb losing in early polls to Hillary!. If it's Jeb's "turn" this time, we're screwed once more. If she, or any other Dim, gets in the White House after TFG, it'll be official: we're Britain.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit[/i][/u][/b][/s] at March 07, 2014 09:37 AM (0HooB)

263 Here's my serious question - is there any hint that Perry is corrupt? Because that's my deal-breaker when it come sto candidates.

Posted by: votermom at March 07, 2014 09:39 AM (GSIDW)

264 Obviously our wish list should read: 1. Scarborough 2. Jeb 3. McCain II 4. Teh Lindsey 5. Christie

Posted by: Blacksheep at March 07, 2014 09:40 AM (8/DeP)

265 >>>262 But I guran-dam-tee-you that if Jeb Bush is our candidate too many people will just say, "screw it" and not vote. a Bush cannot win a national election, except when they do, which is 75% of the time.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:42 AM (KHo8t)

266 here's the difference. Reagan didn't become a Republican because that was the way the wind was blowing. Reagan actually believed that crazy small government shit. Perry might. I don't know. but Texas was booming long before he came along. --- For a long time, Dems in Texas had an outized influence but the Texas Dem caucus was pretty conservative compared to the rest of the country. So for many if you didn't run as a Dem (in statewide elections) you didn't get elected. There were some exceptions, but in general that was true. That has switched now to where many Dems are republicans because the only way to get elected is to run as a Republican. I suspect Perry was always somewhat conservative, and has probably become even more so after 20 years in government. He has seen what works. He is also a good politician and is usually ahead of the curve. Regarding immigration, you have to understand Texas. In Texas, you don't (or at least didn't) run or discuss the immigration issue. You don't see Cruz ever really get into it one way or the other. And Perry was ill prepared for it in the 2012 election.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:42 AM (gmeXX)

267 Here's my serious question - is there any hint that Perry is corrupt? Because that's my deal-breaker when it come sto candidates. ---- Not really. He survived 12 years as govenor after all. There is the issue with having the state pay for an expensive house while the gov mansion was being rebuilt after a fire. But most people ignored that. There is also his own mini-Solyndra style slush fund. But those are pretty small potatoes.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:44 AM (gmeXX)

268 >>>Here's my serious question - is there any hint that Perry is corrupt? Because that's my deal-breaker when it come sto candidates. Posted by: votermom I'm not a fan, but the guy seems honest. but who knows about that toll-road thing. that thing seemed ripe for corruption.

Posted by: X at March 07, 2014 09:45 AM (KHo8t)

269 I'm not a fan, but the guy seems honest. but who knows about that toll-road thing. that thing seemed ripe for corruption. ----- There probably could have been issues with the Texans Trans Corridor, but it ultimately was scraped. I'm more concerned with bad ideas and programs that get implemented than ones that don't. It would be great to have candidates who never bring up bad ideas, but that's probably impossible. Contrast Perry abandoning that idea after public outcry v. Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:47 AM (gmeXX)

270 On a scale of one to a hundred how would Perry rate? ACU scores are like nobel prizes anymore. Not worth the paper to print them on.

Posted by: GMB A trolls troll sitting on a Fencepost. at March 07, 2014 09:49 AM (nkPV9)

271 Walker/Perry gets me to vote as many times as possible. I'll just register as a Democrat. They get multiple do-overs, right?

Posted by: sans_sheriff at March 07, 2014 09:49 AM (Lljg2)

272 #1 reason I will/would vote for Perry. (Other than being a Texan) "See ya later mo-fo" Genius answer to any haters!

Posted by: Brian at March 07, 2014 09:55 AM (wTSvK)

273 Walker/Perry --- I like that ticket a lot. Of course Walker/?? is pretty good to me.

Posted by: SH at March 07, 2014 09:56 AM (gmeXX)

274 Did Rick Perry's "bravado" at the end of his speech seem a little too well rehearsed and out of character?

Posted by: LSureda at March 07, 2014 10:09 AM (inJW4)

275 Perry is still tops on my list for best potential President. I hope he is the best candidate this time around, as well - because most of the potential field sucks. For example, I like Cruz and Paul - but their lack of executive experience concerns me. I would vote third party if Christie or Bush won the nomination, and I don't like big gov't socons like Huckabee and Santorum. Yep, Perry is my guy. That said, I could live with Walker being the nominee, as well.

Posted by: DRayRaven at March 07, 2014 10:22 AM (9YRwm)

276 Perry is still tops on my list for best potential President. I hope he is the best candidate this time around, as well - because most of the potential field sucks. For example, I like Cruz and Paul - but their lack of executive experience concerns me. I would vote third party if Christie or Bush won the nomination, and I don't like big gov't socons like Huckabee and Santorum. Yep, Perry is my guy. That said, I could live with Walker being the nominee, as well.

Posted by: DRayRaven at March 07, 2014 10:22 AM (9YRwm)

277 Saw the speech and so much more energy than 2012.  I do think the surgery had a major impact on his demeanor during televised events.

Loved him then; love and trust him now.
Sides, he's more than competent on the range.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 10:34 AM (aUQgu)

278 274  @LSureda

Re:  bravado

At this point, I'll take all the bravado he can generate.  Teh Obama depresses me.

Posted by: NCwoof at March 07, 2014 10:37 AM (aUQgu)

279 I also liked Perry mandating Gardasil  for all young girls and then his chief of staff getting a plum job at Merck as their lobbyist.
http://tinyurl.com/6xc34ku

Perry is corrupt, opportunistic, and just bad at politics.

If he runs in 2016, he'll just crash and burn all over again.  At least a Governor like Walker have a real conservative record where they've moved the ball and have shown they can be popular despite opposition.

Perry is unpopular in state that agrees with him on almost every single issue.

Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 10:48 AM (/MENw)

280 >>Perry is corrupt, opportunistic, and just bad at politics<< He's also dumb.

Posted by: General Zod at March 07, 2014 10:51 AM (2+bRt)

281 Those glasses really make him look smart.

Unfortunately, he opened his mouth and he still sounds like a stammering dimwit.

Walker, Paul, Cruz.  Pick one.  Those are the choices for anyone serious about turning this boat around before we plunge into the abyss.

Posted by: Pastafarian at March 07, 2014 10:56 AM (xs9vO)

282 Earlier I was going to sarcastically suggest Gardisil as a reason why Perry was corrupt, but now McAdams has done it unironically.


Posted by: Shoot Me at March 07, 2014 11:02 AM (qiXMt)

283 Rand Paul for President. He was probably his fraternity's social chair, he's good at hacky-sack, he can fix broken eyes, his wife is purty, and he wants you to be allowed to do stuff you wanna do without somebody sweatin' you about it. Like owning guns and drinking as much Coke as you can hold and smoking dope and stuff.

Posted by: General Zod at March 07, 2014 11:04 AM (2+bRt)

284 1. Unemployment rate 5.7%
2. State AG 7-0 against EPA
3. Didn't care about Wendy after filibuster, called special session and passed bill.
4. Told DC to take their Medicaid $'s and stuff it (now lots of states wish they had)
5. Let DC trip over their ACA exchanges and stayed out of that mess
6. Has learned from his mistakes

Is he perfect? No. Show me one candidate that is?

Perry all the way.

Posted by: Proud Texan at March 07, 2014 11:06 AM (ESQRH)

285 7. Has learned long division.

Posted by: General Zod at March 07, 2014 11:10 AM (2+bRt)

286 281 Earlier I was going to sarcastically suggest Gardisil as a reason why Perry was corrupt, but now McAdams has done it unironically.


Posted by: Shoot Me

You don't think that's incredibly corrupt?  I do. 

It honestly sickens me that a Governor would mandate my daughter take an STD vaccine because his office being paid off by a drug company.

I find that far more corrupt that Krispy Kreme shutting down a bridge.

Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 11:20 AM (/MENw)

287 278 I also liked Perry mandating Gardasil for all young girls and then his chief of staff getting a plum job at Merck as their lobbyist. http://tinyurl.com/6xc34ku Perry is corrupt, opportunistic, and just bad at politics. BREAKING: Romneybot Suddenly Discovers Meaning of Political Opportunism, "Flip flops"

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 11:25 AM (5ikDv)

288 Bringing up Mitt Romney is not going to make Tardasil's problems go away.

And if Perry couldn't beat Mitt Romney, what's that say about his chances nationally?

Posted by: McAdams at March 07, 2014 11:28 AM (/MENw)

289 I would vote for him, anytime, anywhere, maybe often, for president.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Redneck Queen at March 07, 2014 11:31 AM (baL2B)

290 Just popped in briefly, having a very busy day, but I will simply second what ChristyBlinky said above -- could not have said it better.

Let's go, President Perry!!!  We need you!

Posted by: Peaches at March 07, 2014 11:54 AM (6wI9/)

291 Bringing up Mitt Romney is not going to make Tardasil's problems go away. Bringing up Tardasil is not going to make Mitt Romney's problems go away. Yep. It even works when you flip it. Or flop it.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at March 07, 2014 12:13 PM (5ikDv)

292 Well, we are talking about politicians, nothing pleasant about this except that we can't get along without them. Let's find the best of the bad lot. Perry? I was for Perry last time, but that was a miserable lot of not much of anything running. (I am not forgetting the opposition who ran Zero -- at least it wasn't Zero.) And who were these conservative/teaparty people? They went for the flavor of the month -- or was that every three weeks. Disgusting. I don't have much sympathy or desire to be in "their" company. I will go with anyone who wants limited government, fiscal prudence, and getting the government out of our lives. And that includes abortion -- limit the heck out of it and outlaw abortion clinics, but let the rest happen in good-enough medical offices. And that includes legislating "Christian values". The stupidity about homosexuality. If people could have gotten together to give all Americans their citizenship rights, of which legal partnership is one, then marriage could have been left to man-woman and partnering could have given the same rights to same-sex couples. These are American values. Keep government types, moralists, religious nuts, everyone else out of our lives. For the next President, I want executive experience; I want someone who knows something about governance and is committed to it. Only actions count. As for Perry, many commenters above convince me that he probably is the best governor who appears to be running. I would go Walker; I think he has balls and guts and grit. But does he want it? Can he view Wisconsin as part of a larger stage? I am reluctant to go with Perry again. I feel quite singed. During the campaign I did some research on wind power that was supposed to be so great in Texas. What I wondered when I finished exploring was: how many square miles of Texas are NOT covered with these subsidized bird-killing monstrosities and what role did Perry play in this. I am still open and willing to listen, but my heart is broken.

Posted by: pyromancer76 at March 07, 2014 01:36 PM (i0aYq)

293 I forgot. The next good-enough nominee must, must, must close those borders -- and deal kindly with immigrants/illegal aliens. The U.S. is a nation of immigrants, all of us. We (our ancestors) all came for a better life. We need to stop hating "illegals" -- you would do anything if you could save, protect your loved ones. (Yeah, I know it is more complicated than this.) This moral stance that "illegals" are "law-breakers" and putting them in the same category as felons is pure stupidity. Just f-ing close the border. American sovereignty is too precious and Zero is out to destroy it. Where is Perry or any other candidate on this issue? What actions have they taken (show me your governance) or tried to take?

Posted by: pyromancer76 at March 07, 2014 01:43 PM (i0aYq)

294

A Perry thread, and I missed it.

 

As I've said before...I hope Perry runs.

 

He has been a staunch advocate of devolving the Federal Govt.

I think he would consider that his mission.

 

Others talk about abolishing Federal Agencies...but I think that Perry would actually do it.

 

Perry is a veteran, and is the only one talking about what the JEF has done to our Military.

 

This was a good speech.

It will take a lot more of them to win some people over.

 

But it's not speech-making and campaigning that make a good President.

Just look at JugEars.

 

Posted by: wheatie at March 07, 2014 01:53 PM (cuECK)

295 After listening to the speech, I am still in. Good articulation of what is wrong. Stimulating, exciting, moving, accurate at the end. Apparently fire in the belly -- essential. Now, can he articulate a plan for cutting government that will speak to a majority of Americans? That will move us, beyond devotion to labels (conservative, etc.), to help in doing this for ourselves? That will turn our interest from sucking on the government teat?

Posted by: pyromancer76 at March 07, 2014 02:04 PM (i0aYq)

296 I'm back on Team Perry. He looks hot in the glasses

Posted by: Grandmalcaesar at March 07, 2014 02:52 PM (5Xis7)

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