January 29, 2014
— Ace He actually says "Good Speech, Modest Agenda," then the rest of it.
He's a dyed-in-the-wool liberal who's been increasing disappointed by Obama the past couple of years. So his feeling may be taken at least as partially representative of the Disappointed Democrats bloc.
Is that all there is?In what may be his last, best chance to revive a presidency that has fallen far short of its promise, Barack Obama unveiled his 2014 agenda Tuesday night: small-bore executive orders, studies, summits, and legislation, long-seasoned and stalled. "America does not stand still," he said, "and neither will I."
He focused on the era's seminal issue, loss of social mobility and income equality in a post-industrial, global economy. "The cold, hard fact is that even in the midst of recovery, too many Americans are working more than ever just to get by—let alone get ahead," Obama said to a joint session of Congress attending his annual State of the Union address.
Another cold, hard fact: Obama may not have the skill, the will, or the time to do much about it.
Another cold, hard fact Fournier omits: Income inequality has increased at a torrid pace under the Redistributor In Chief.
It was a good speech about a modest agenda delivered by a diminished leader, a man who famously promised to reject the politics of "small things" and aim big—to change the culture of Washington, to restore the public's faith in government, and to tackle enduring national problems with bold solutions. The night he sealed the Democratic nomination in 2008, candidate Obama looked forward to a day when future generations might say "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."Tuesday night was no such moment.
It was, instead, a moment in miniature: an executive order to raise the minimum wage for future federal contractors, and another to create "starter" retirement accounts; summits on long-term unemployment and working families; and scores of promises to "continue" existing administration programs.
"What I offer tonight," he said, "is a set of concrete, practical proposals." Oh, such a far cry from "an audacity to hope."
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He turns to a recent gushing biographical piece cum interview that ran in the New Yorker.
He also told Remnick that people are looking for "other flavors ... somebody else out there who can give me that spark of inspiration or excitement." He's right, and you had to wonder during the State of the Union address whether Obama's time had passed ... whether even a great address could move the needle ... whether they've tuned him out.
That's an immature impulse, of course. People really ought to not seek too much meaning or "inspiration or excitement" in politicians, political parties, or political 5 point plans. That's kind of Dummy Stuff, isn't it?
But Obama, more than any President I can think of, is all about that and little else.
Fournier turns to various polls, including those that show that a majority of Americans now call Obama a weak leader.
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Democratic operative Chris Lehane, another veteran of the Clinton White House, said, "It will require disciplined execution to succeed."
That's the problem: Obama has not executed; he has not found a way to overcome his era's obstacles and fulfill his potential for greatness. It may be too late to learn how.
I can't weigh in on whether it was a "good speech." I strongly doubt that. But I didn't watch. At 1:30 am or so I went to bed and turned on the TV and the speech was replaying on Fox. I heard Obama say something -- I forget what, but he used his Stage Whisper fake drama voice -- and I cursed "F*** you" at the TV.
I brushed my teeth and didn't hear much more than I had the first time. When I came back out, he said something else clingy, desperate, and false, and again I said "F*** you," then I turned him off my TV and watched something else for twenty minutes.
So that's what I got out of it.
On the other hand, alleged GOP strategist and CNN gadfly Alex Castellantos got a lot more out of it.
“I think I’ve said before that a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex,” Castellanos told a CNN panel after the State of the Union Tuesday night. “The worst there ever was is still excellent.”
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All credit to Dorothy Parker.
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Job training. All we need is job training and the planet will heal itself.
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Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 09:46 AM (+cx5n)
Key word: cum.
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Posted by: Barky McFuckstick at January 29, 2014 09:46 AM (FcR7P)
"I think I’ve said before that a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex,” Castellanos told a CNN panel after the State of the Union Tuesday night. “The worst there ever was is still excellent.”
If the sex Alex Castellanos is getting is the stimulatory equivalent of a Barack Obammy speech, then Alex Castellanos is either fucking a stick of chewing gum or is as virginal as a Vestal.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 09:46 AM (4df7R)
All of it was spent gushing over style and delivery, none of it on substance.
Shocking, I know.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 29, 2014 09:47 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at January 29, 2014 09:47 AM (GaqMa)
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Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 09:47 AM (C3Wjb)
Fournier loves him some TFG, but not fanatically. I can at least read his stuff without throwing sharp objects at my monitor.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 29, 2014 09:47 AM (wNF3N)
“I think I’ve said before that a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex,” Castellanos told a CNN panel after the State of the Union Tuesday night. “You wake up with a hurt butt and an empty wallet."
FIFY
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Posted by: mrp at January 29, 2014 09:49 AM (JBggj)
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That's a Club I'm proud to be a member of, "Fuck you" while I scramble to change the channel.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 29, 2014 09:49 AM (VjL9S)
It's for people with rheumatoid arthritis.
http://www.trackmyra.com/
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Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 09:50 AM (59naz)
The Govt is picking winners and losers.
They are benifiting from govt largesse.
So yeah there is a crisis for millions at this point
bewteen regulations , pay to play.
look at d.c compared to most of the country
Posted by: willow at January 29, 2014 09:50 AM (nqBYe)
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Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 09:51 AM (C3Wjb)
Obama walks into a bar and orders a beer.
The bartender goes to Obama to serve the beer and Obama has moves to another stool. The bartender then goes to that spot and Obama moves again to another stool. The bartender goes one more time to serve the beer and Obama again moves to another stool.
The bartender says, " Listen guy , what the hell are you doing?"
Obama says, " This is the only way I can keep my SOTU promise"
Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 09:51 AM (m2CN7)
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Posted by: JackStraw at January 29, 2014 09:51 AM (g1DWB)
It has always amazed me that Obama is regarded as a good orator, let alone a great one. His voice is grating. His delivery is choppy and seemingly divorced from the meaning of what he's saying. His anger sounds shrill, his attempts at humor buffoonish, his "folksiness" condescending. It's as if he still sees himself as a law-school instructor lecturing to a room of bored L1 students.
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Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 09:52 AM (ZkzmI)
thank G-d!
Posted by: willow at January 29, 2014 09:52 AM (nqBYe)
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Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at January 29, 2014 09:52 AM (RZ8pf)
He actually says "Good Speech, Modest Agenda," then the rest of it.
BTW, I find it cute that an alleged journalist would take the Preezy's open pronouncement that he's going to flout the Constitution and go around Congress as being a "modest" agenda. One suspects that when the trains start coming to truck conservatives off to the concentration camps, Ron Fournier's reaction will be that it's an inconsequential development.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 09:52 AM (4df7R)
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Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 29, 2014 01:52 PM (4df7R)
Nah... "progress".
Posted by: Mega at January 29, 2014 09:54 AM (hHFOx)
Posted by: Planned Parenthood at January 29, 2014 09:54 AM (59naz)
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News Flash: He never did, either. The first two that is. He never had the ability nor the intention to do any of those wonderful things he said to the masses.
So, fuck you.
You called us all racist when we tried to tell the truth--he is a child utterly unqualified in every measure possible to be a President.
So, fuck you.
And you called us racist again when we conceded that even if he possessed the bare minimum of qualifications, not one of his policy proposals were feasible, intelligent or fact-based.
So, fuck you.
In short: Fuck. You.
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Posted by: LadyS at January 29, 2014 09:57 AM (tMTsS)
Zombie, I'm like you: I avoid the JEF whenever possible.
When I was growing up and attending Catholic elementary school, the nuns taught us that some situations in life are what they called "an occasion of sin" - meaning that the situation presented a temptation too strong for us to resist. These "occasions of sin" differ from one person to another, but the best way to handle them, whatever they might happen to be for you, is to avoid them.
For me, the JEF is an occasion of sin: in my case, the sin of wrath - of excessive, uncontrollable anger. So I avoid him whenever possible, for the good of my soul - and I mean that literally.
Posted by: Brown Line at January 29, 2014 09:57 AM (VrNoa)
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I managed to avoid Obama's Shit on the Union speech by falling asleep and then waking up when it was over.
So yeah, Alex Castellanos, I agree with you. Obammy's speeches are a lot like sex, if the sex is so fucking boring, hackneyed and full of self-aggrandizing prevarication that you find it's easier and more enjoyable to pass out until it's done.
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Posted by: Ron Fournier at January 29, 2014 09:58 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2014 09:58 AM (lUXJH)
“I think I’ve said before that a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex,” Castellanos told a CNN panel after the State of the Union Tuesday night. “The worst there ever was is still excellent.”
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And then you have the walk of shame and the regrets the next day.
Posted by: @JohnTant at January 29, 2014 09:59 AM (PFy0L)
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Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 29, 2014 09:59 AM (TwyVT)
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Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 29, 2014 10:00 AM (ZPrif)
Of all the dogshit dimestore rhetorical devices that cockwipe uses, that is the most annoying. But Medved is probably still insisting he's a great orator; unless he's using an expanded definition of that term.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 29, 2014 10:00 AM (7FFZz)
I think I’ve said before that a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex,” Castellanos told a CNN panel after the State of the Union Tuesday night. “The worst there ever was is still excellent.
Yep, no one mispronounces words like corpsmen and Orion or accidently reads the wrong text on the teleprompter quite like Obama.
He does it the bestesses.
Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 10:00 AM (m2CN7)
Oh, trust me, I saw enough of this on my FB TL last night. I stay in touch via FB with several folks with whom I would not engage politically because of their leanings (lots of photos of fundraisers for PPAct and DeBlasio on their TL, as an indicator). One couple was discussing "coitus during the SOTU", and felt POTUS "hit it out of the park", while asked whether the Republican response "could've been any stupider". The uphill battle that we face is that these people have just as much, if not more, access to the low-information voter as we do. And that's a real problem for changing minds.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 29, 2014 10:00 AM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 29, 2014 10:00 AM (fT3qO)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 29, 2014 10:00 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: DangerGirl Telecommunications at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (Ryac4)
That's the Left. Always looking for the man on horseback.
Plus this: "and fulfill his potential for greatness". Note to Fournier - that's not why we elect presidents. The primary duty of the chief executive of the United States of America is to uphold the Constitution. He swore an oath (three times, so far) to do so. The results ought to be self-evident.
Posted by: mrp at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (JBggj)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (RJMhd)
And that is supposed to make us think Obama is a centrist.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (F75MN)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Lauren at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (PYAXX)
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Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:01 AM (C3Wjb)
Ace, don't let Fournier get away with a faulty premise:
He focused on the era's seminal issue, loss of social mobility and income equality in a post-industrial, global economy.
Nick Gillespie:
This is flatly wrong. Research published last week by economists at Harvard (Raj Chetty, Nathaniel Hendren) and Berkeley (Patrick Kline, Emmanuel Saez) concludes that rates of mobility among income quintiles have not in fact changed in decades. As the Washington Post summarized it, “Children growing up in America today are just as likely—no more, no less—to climb the economic ladder as children born more than a half-century ago, a team of economists reported Thursday.”
Fournier is mourning his leaderÂ’s failure to attack a pretend problem.
Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:02 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Battered GOP Voter/Wife at January 29, 2014 10:02 AM (LmepH)
Posted by: votermom at January 29, 2014 10:03 AM (GSIDW)
Oh, good grief, I hate that voice too. It is so phony! He gets all breathy and fake strained but it still sounds like BS.
Posted by: PJ at January 29, 2014 10:03 AM (ZWaLo)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 29, 2014 10:03 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 29, 2014 01:56 PM (QXlbZ)
This, I believe, was a much better use of your time.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 10:03 AM (yh0zB)
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Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 02:01 PM (C3Wjb)
*golf clap*
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 10:04 AM (yh0zB)
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Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 10:04 AM (+cx5n)
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Posted by: willow at January 29, 2014 10:05 AM (nqBYe)
Today, after four years of economic growth, corporate profits and stock prices have rarely been higher, and those at the top have never done better. But average wages have barely budged. Inequality has deepened. Upward mobility has stalled. The cold, hard fact is that even in the midst of recovery, too many Americans are working more than ever just to get by -- let alone get ahead. And too many still aren't working at all. Our job is to reverse these trends.
Someone refuted this the other day with facts and figures during other administrations. Appears the Bush boys had the most level playing field between poor and rich.
Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 10:06 AM (m2CN7)
Wait, Obama said something last night? Missed it.
Posted by: JWF at January 29, 2014 10:06 AM (1l37M)
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Him: "Dad, what's the biggest mistake America has ever made?"
Me:"Well, how we treated the American Indians comes to mind, the Bay of Pigs, ----"
Him:"I think the biggest mistake we ever made was electing Barack Obama."
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Now THAT'S how you make your old dad proud. ::sniff::
Posted by: physics geek at January 29, 2014 10:06 AM (MT22W)
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Posted by: LadyS at January 29, 2014 10:07 AM (tMTsS)
"People really ought to not seek too much meaning or "inspiration or excitement" in politicians, political parties, or political 5 point plans. That's kind of Dummy Stuff, isn't it?"
It sets the stage for some pretty high body counts - at least, that's what history tells me.
"Let me see - trying to get inspiration from people and movements who are dedicated to acquiring temporal power. What're the odds of that going wrong?"
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy a Hissy or Coniption, Get a Free Fitting! at January 29, 2014 10:07 AM (hLRSq)
"...alleged GOP strategist and CNN gadfly Alex Castellantos..."
That there is such a thing as a 'GOP Strategist' is a marvel to me. All evidence indicated such an animal doesn't exist. It's like finding Bigfoot or proving the legend of the dreaded Chupacabra.
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Posted by: traye at January 29, 2014 10:08 AM (tAyaV)
If you want nothing more striking than the comparison between big govt socialist and small government conservative, compare the economy under Reagan vs. Obama.
Reagan:
In one month, created over a MILLION jobs. Labor market participation rate was INCREASING. Economy was rocking from 1982 onwards and didn't look back until GHWB started fucking things up.
Obstacles Reagan faced: oil crisis, 13% Fed rate, runaway inflation, no $1T stimulus, no Quantitative Easing, SNL crisis, short period of extended UE benefits.
Despite all of this, under Reagan the economy flourished and Americans were back to work.
Obama:
0% Fed rate, no inflation, no oil crisis, $1T of stimulus, QE easing to the tune of at least $3T in new money, endless extended UE benefits.
And yet, despite all this help and big govt cheese our economy is about as shitty as it was under Jimmy Carter, and he has almost doubled the national debt to what will be $20T by the time he leaves.
The comparison is quite shocking when you account for all the headwinds that Reagan took on and defeated and then compare the tailwinds that still can't push this economy "forward" under obama.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 29, 2014 10:08 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:08 AM (659DL)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 29, 2014 10:09 AM (7kkQJ)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 29, 2014 10:09 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:09 AM (C3Wjb)
Posted by: wodun at January 29, 2014 10:09 AM (fbqZE)
Posted by: Lauren at January 29, 2014 10:09 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:09 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Marmo at January 29, 2014 10:10 AM (QW+AD)
OT, but there is a fucking cold breeze coming through my office door, and I have neither A) a window, nor B) an outside wall. My office is inside ANOTHER office.
This sucks.
*bundles*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (4df7R)
FED TAPERS BOND BUYING TO $65 BLN MONTHLY PACE FROM $75 BLN
PLease, sah, more gruel!!!
Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (cxs6V)
I'd be out looking for a new TV today.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 02:09 PM (PYAXX)
Yep, that's why I don't watch him, to keep from going Elvis on the TV.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: oeJay44incday endorses Cotton Mather's Night Rider Puritan Holy War on Strumpets and Wastrels at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: stace at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (9PXzx)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:11 AM (C3Wjb)
This sucks.
*bundles*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at January 29, 2014 02:11 PM (4df7R)
Sounds like a poltergeist to me. Maybe a spider poltergeist.
Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 10:12 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 29, 2014 10:12 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:12 AM (RJMhd)
"Nine million people have enrolled in the exchanges or Medicaid."
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There should be an asterisk there that points out that 8.5 million of the 9 million wend on medicaid
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 10:12 AM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 02:12 PM (m2CN7)
A big face-spider poltergeist. With hairy legs.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 10:13 AM (yh0zB)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 29, 2014 10:13 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2014 10:13 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at January 29, 2014 10:13 AM (yE8uc)
Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 29, 2014 10:13 AM (QVbQw)
Posted by: stace at January 29, 2014 10:13 AM (9PXzx)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:14 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: Mrs. Castellanos at January 29, 2014 10:14 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:14 AM (C3Wjb)
I'm tired. Someone be a dear and peep for a nood.
Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 29, 2014 02:13 PM (QVbQw)
So soon?
Nope.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 10:14 AM (yh0zB)
The Fed just announced that they are tapering the Bond Buying program down to $65 Billion a month.
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There is no financial methadone. Cold turkey is the best way to get over the addiction.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 10:14 AM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:14 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: t-bird at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Average Leftist at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (fT3qO)
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (itCai)
I had predicted in advance that this would be the least viewed SOTU of Obama's presidency, and yep, Nielsen says that America collectively are tuning this guy out. Numbers are way down.
The small mercy is that comparatively few people would thus have seen Cathy McMorris Rodgers' absolutely horrible rebuttal afterwards (which I had also correctly predicted would be sad and weak).
Tim Stanley at the _Daily Telegraph_ didn't pull any punches about McMorris Rodgers:
"For all his faults, Obama is in his office because the Republicans have failed to provide a convincing alternative. They've yet to strike the right balance between folksy and presidential. Take the official GOP response, which featured a nice Republican lady sitting on a sofa talking about life, love and the American way. It resembled an ad for muscle pain medication. It was amateur. It's why conservatives keep getting beaten."
Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (gqT4g)
You mean to tell me the same class of shitstains, hipsters and assholes that can't be bothered to spend $100 a month on health insurance are hot-to-trot to start saving money for retirement?
They just haven't done so yet as they're eagerly awaiting the confidence and security a government program to do so will bring?
You mean like how they're fuck-all excited about the money confiscated to pay for Social Security?
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Lauren at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (hFL/3)
People generally don't ask for advice about something they have no intention of ever doing.
And besides, if it's not a government job, it doesn't count.
Posted by: HR at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (ZKzrr)
Sounds like a poltergeist to me. Maybe a spider poltergeist.
Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2014 02:12 PM (m2CN7)
A big face-spider poltergeist. With hairy legs.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 29, 2014 02:13 PM (yh0zB)
*smacksmacksmacksmack!*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:15 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:16 AM (C3Wjb)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:16 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: Mrs. Castellanos at January 29, 2014 02:14 PM (MMC8r)
Yeah, you could divorce him on grounds of adultery. Open and shut.
Posted by: joncelli at January 29, 2014 10:16 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy a Hissy or Coniption, Get a Free Fitting! at January 29, 2014 10:17 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Mikey Grimm at January 29, 2014 10:17 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2014 10:17 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (IXrOn)
BTW, I love how Obammy chose to point out the story of that one woman who had a pre-existing condition and, just after the start of January, "Felt a sharp pain." Then shortly thereafter had to have emergency surgery, which pre-Obammycare would have bankrupted her.
My response when I heard mcfuckstick saying that on the radio? "Yeah, no one was arguing about the pre-existing conditions part, jackass. And congrats, you've discovered the point of catastrophic coverage, just in time to realize you've MADE IT ILLEGAL, you fucking worthless piece of piss-stained jizz rag."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (PYAXX)
Do you have a link for that?
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OK, I exagerrated - it is more like 7 million out of 9 million that are now on medicaid.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (ZkzmI)
Posted by: Meremortal at January 29, 2014 10:18 AM (1Y+hH)
YES!!
See my comment #43 above for the same point.
Posted by: zombie at January 29, 2014 02:04 PM (+cx5n)
The title of Gillespie’s piece is “Why does Obama conflate income inequality with mobility? Because it allows him to preach populism while doing nothing.” (link in sig)
I don’t know how they measure “income equality” but measurements for income mobility show it has NOT gotten worse. When Democrats are trying to restructure the entire economy – the entire citizen-state relationship – base on a stat, that stat better damn well be correct.
BONUS: The biggest single factor in lack of income mobility? “The fraction of single parents in the area.” Another gift from enlightened progressives.
Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:19 AM (9KqcB)
Obama & Co are hurting the very people they most profess to want to help.
From 1995 to 2001 Obama was Chair of the Annenberg Challenge in Chicago, an ambitious $387 million privately funded effort to run a controlled experiment as to how liberal ideas could improve inner city education.
An August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research found that "the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."
You'd think that Obama & Co would have learned a lesson from that.
It's all a grasp for power, based on exploiting class, gender and race divides. Until now, no country on Earth has been better at leveling these differences.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 29, 2014 10:19 AM (EPEqj)
Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2014 10:19 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:20 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 29, 2014 10:20 AM (TwyVT)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:20 AM (C3Wjb)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at January 29, 2014 10:20 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: What we'll find out next week at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (hFL/3)
Posted by: JL at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (m+BIj)
Posted by: Beagle at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (OMxeO)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (C3Wjb)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (SUKHu)
Yeah, that was kind of the most interesting part of the post.
Turning off the screens and devices at a decent hour to facilitate sleep is hard.
Posted by: HR at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: garrett at January 29, 2014 10:21 AM (59naz)
Posted by: --- at January 29, 2014 10:22 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:22 AM (C3Wjb)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:22 AM (659DL)
Posted by: JL at January 29, 2014 10:23 AM (m+BIj)
Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 29, 2014 10:23 AM (RJMhd)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:23 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: soothsayer, they chanted at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (QVbQw)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 02:20 PM (IXrOn)
Which would make sense, since this building used to be the state mental hospital before the current facility was built.
You don't have to be crazy to work here, but the ghosts are.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (659DL)
From 1995 to 2001 Obama was Chair of the Annenberg Challenge in Chicago, an ambitious $387 million privately funded effort to run a controlled experiment as to how liberal ideas could improve inner city education."
Nota bene: Obama worked hand in glove with Bill Ayers on Annenberg.
You know, Ayers, "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," according to Obama, with no closer ties than that.
The media couldn't run away from the Annenberg story fast enough in 2008 and they've stayed well clear ever since, even though its implications for education policy (a shit-ton of money funneled to cronies with no good outcome for the kids who were the suppsed beneficiaries) has huge implications.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (PYAXX)
Posted by: nerdygirl at January 29, 2014 10:24 AM (x09C5)
Posted by: Minnfidel at January 29, 2014 10:25 AM (C3Wjb)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 29, 2014 10:25 AM (659DL)
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 29, 2014 10:25 AM (SUKHu)
Even if she was working full-time in her chosen field of social work, going $60K into debt to get a social work job is stupid.
(If she's got the right state licensure, she could set up as a therapist and charge $200 for a 50-minute hour. But that's a lot more work than whining that no one will give you a paycheck.)
Posted by: HR at January 29, 2014 10:26 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (lUXJH)
Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:27 AM (z4WKX)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (IXrOn)
The small mercy is that comparatively few people would thus have seen Cathy McMorris Rodgers' absolutely horrible rebuttal afterwards (which I had also correctly predicted would be sad and weak).
The revelations coming about RomneyÂ’s lack of confidence heading into debates with Obama explain McMorris quite well. Deep down, They. ArenÂ’t. Convinced. We. Are. Right.
Their lack of confidence when they arenÂ’t speaking to a friendly crowd of supporters shows.
Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:28 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (ojnk6)
Posted by: Comanche Voter at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (wdHk6)
Posted by: no good deed at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (vBhbc)
"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot — what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. "
Posted by: mrp at January 29, 2014 10:29 AM (JBggj)
For fuck's sake people, why would you think that you should be able to work one low level job for "20-40 hours" when you have $60K in debt? It's not supposed to be that easy.
She figured it was only a matter of time before the money rolled in from her sweet Social Work masterÂ’s degree.
Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:32 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 29, 2014 10:34 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: redenzo at January 29, 2014 10:35 AM (WCnJW)
Posted by: Carol at January 29, 2014 10:39 AM (z4WKX)
So I tried to find something written about what he'd said on the subject and ended up at Huff Po where they quote from another article about how raising the minimum way will help women cuz they get minimum wage more often:
Nothing beats the CNN.com guest column from the president of the AFL-CIO who illustrated the need for a minimum wage hike via the story of an unmarried fast food worker with 4 kids from various men. High school dropout. Rarely held down jobs.
Every story they use to push leftist cause features a Grade-A F-ck-Up as the main character. And weÂ’re not supposed to notice.
Posted by: CJ at January 29, 2014 10:40 AM (9KqcB)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 29, 2014 10:49 AM (vRxtK)
Posted by: deadrody at January 29, 2014 10:53 AM (aT8Zk)
Posted by: Bobby Ahr at January 29, 2014 10:53 AM (zmZ2x)
Posted by: backhoe at January 29, 2014 11:03 AM (ULH4o)
"To be fair, the Republican Party is largely to blame. Its leadership is weak and the House caucus is increasingly, stridently conservative."
Well there's your problem right there, America. The damn Tea Party is inadequately muzzled and keeps interfering with the President's agenda. How do you expect a Democrat to compromise if the other side won't completely surrender up front?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at January 29, 2014 11:08 AM (Xq2WY)
And there's your problem right there. You think it all boils down to economics, because you're a mindless marxist.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 29, 2014 11:11 AM (zfY+H)
Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at January 29, 2014 11:19 AM (lryY4)
Posted by: eureka! at January 29, 2014 11:19 AM (xiXna)
Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at January 29, 2014 11:20 AM (nL5y5)
I wouldn't get caught up in it Ace. Liberals support of each other is ephemeral. There is really not much else they can get from Obama. They are already moving to go down of Hillary so she can complete the destruction.
Posted by: Marcus T at January 29, 2014 11:28 AM (GGCsk)
"The media couldn't run away from the Annenberg story fast enough in 2008" "Nota bene: Obama worked hand in glove with Bill Ayers on Annenberg." Some may say this is old news, but it's a tell that if you give Obama money and wherewithal he's never helped anyone but himself and his cronies.
"Punch back twice as hard," Famous 21st Century political philosopher.
ObamaCare is one line of attack, as it will clearly fail to help more people than it hurts, even before we factor in the cost of the inevitable Health Insurance bailout. But after five years in office the evidence is now clear that "Obama & Co isn't working", especially for the constituencies Obama most professes to care about: minorities, women and the young.
Are you better off than you were five years ago? Now ask how anything Obama babbled about last night will do anything to help.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 29, 2014 11:28 AM (EPEqj)
Posted by: and irresolute at January 29, 2014 11:30 AM (RqHWH)
Well, thereÂ’s no accounting for oneÂ’s sexual appetites, is there?
Mr. Castellano sounds rather kinky.
Oh my, indeed.
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at January 29, 2014 11:34 AM (P9ya5)
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