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January 25, 2014

Saturday Car Thread 01/25/14 - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse & Countrysquire]
— Open Blogger

Good afternoon beloved horde.

Thanks for joining us for another Saturday car thread.

Today, Countrysquire offers the meat, starting with his terrific write-up about recent high-stakes classic car auctions. I'll admit to being staggered by some of these prices and, especially so, by his report on the Jeep Wagoneer:

Last week was auction week in Scottsdale Arizona and a lot of coin was dropped. All of the totals are not in yet, but cumulative sales should be in excess of a quarter billion dollars. Not enough to build a buggy health insurance website, but a lot to spend on iron, leather, rubber and paint. The circus called Barrett-Jackson is the most famous because of the television coverage and the shear number of cars they sell. In years past, they sold some great cars from the classic pre-war period, but in recent years have become known for muscle cars. 1,402 of the 1,407 cars sold for a staggering $110,521,505 total. The high sale was an L-88 equipped 1967 Corvette Sting Ray which went to the owner of Heartland Dental for $3,850,000. The high sellers at both the RM auction and the Gooding Co. auction were both 1958 Ferrari 250s. The RM car was a LWB California Spyder and brought home $8.8 million dollars. A similar 250 GT cabriolet only managed to muster a mere $6,160,000. Sales for the weekend at those two premium auctions averaged well over $400,000. The Bonhams sale averaged $270,000, with a Â’53 Ferrari just edging a 1931 Alfa Romeo for high sale honors, with each bringing just north of $3 million.

The Â’31 Alfa was a Zagato bodied 6C 1750 Supercharged Gran Sport Spyder and probably my favorite car offered this year.

Eight million dollar Ferraris and three million dollar Porsches are fun to talk about, but everyone has one, so letÂ’s move on to some It sold for how much?! cars...
These are cars a member of the horde might know something about. RM and Gooding each sold an early Â‘60s VW Â‘23 WindowÂ’ bus. They brought $82,500 and $140,250 respectively. Yes, those commas are in the correct place and I didnÂ’t add any extra zeros. OK, we canÂ’t afford a minivan, so how about a nice SUV? A perfect 1977 Toyota Land Cruiser realized $101,750 at RM. Perfect, but the color of something that one of my Shelties might cough up. I believe the lovely NDH is a fan of the Jeep wagons, so, had she been in Scottsdale, she could have competed with the guy who spent $27,630 for a bone-stock 1988 Jeep Grand Wagoneer with 68,000 miles at the Russo and Steele sale. The older FJ40 Land Cruisers and VW busses have been bringing big money for a while, so they were not a surprise like the Wagoneer.

(Editors note: I want that Jeep)

One of the best things on the internet is a thread over on the HAMB called Vintage shots of days gone by. ItÂ’s not just cars, itÂ’s about Americana. After four years and 90,000 replies, it just keeps going. If you like that sort of thing, be prepared to spend hours looking through the vintage pictures. HereÂ’s a sampling, and you'll find another down in the elbows department:

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) recently conducted their Small Overlap Test on 11 mini-cars and the results might send a chill down your spine if you happen to own one of these vehicles.

About the test:

Introduced in 2012, the small overlap test replicates what happens when the front corner of a vehicle collides with another vehicle or an object such as a tree or utility pole. In the test, 25 percent of a vehicle's front end on the driver's side strikes a rigid barrier at 40 mph.
The test is more difficult than the head-on crashes conducted by the government or the longstanding IIHS moderate overlap test because most of the vehicle's front-end crush zone is bypassed. That makes it hard for the vehicle to manage crash energy, and the occupant compartment can collapse as a result. Nevertheless, in many size categories, manufacturers have found ways to improve vehicle structures to meet this challenge.

Check out the results at the IIHS vid below and keep in mind that, given the opportunity, the environmental nut-jobs would have you park your SUV or your family sedan and put your life in danger in one of these. There simply is no substitute for 2 tons of steel in a crash. Add to that even the standard safety technology offered today and I'll take my Jeep over one of these cars any day of the week, gas mileage be damned.

This week's cruising tune makes me want to take the winding backroad:

A nod to the moronettes, with something hot and spicy:

And, for the morons, Countrysquire offers you this gentle reminder of elbows from days gone by:

Free free to send all comments, compliments, and condemnations to us at teh Twitter: Nied's Dead Horse and Countrysquire.

BTW, if you're into that twittering groove, you might want to check out these folks as well.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:05 AM | Comments (191)
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1 Hello? Tap...tap...Is this thing on?

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:11 AM (8FyP4)

2 Just us!

Posted by: Cannibal Rats on Rafts at January 25, 2014 10:13 AM (DmNpO)

3 I've been watching TopGear UK on Netflix lately, and in an episode from 2003 they went over how the small cars were generally faring better in crash tests than bigger vehicles. So I guess either things have regressed in the small car segment or the bigger vehicles have gotten better?

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:14 AM (IPz9m)

4 We might have it ourselves CS!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:14 AM (DmNpO)

5 Nice thread CSquire and NDH...

the funny thing is Ralph Nader's mangina is not bothered by the subcompact's inherent dangerousness.

I guess Nader's Raiders are busy.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 10:15 AM (TE35l)

6 I've been saying for a while that almost anything pre-bumper-era was ending up worth real money. That Wagoneer's a bit of a surprise, though. Let's remember one thing about this small-offset test: bad as it may seem relative to what some other vehicles are capable of, that test would have DESTROYED almost anything, of any size, built before 1990.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:16 AM (o+SC1)

7 3 Posted by: KG at January 25, 2014 02:14 PM (IPz9m)

or they lied...

that's what the TV does at times.

I did some wrecking and recovery helping when I was in Louisiana.

I would not want to be in a compact or subcompact at any speed over 30.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 10:16 AM (TE35l)

8 Specifically, they showed how some small car, maybe a Renault, was able to keep the passenger compartment from collapsing, but some big SUV didnt, with pedals, steering wheel, etc all over the place.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:17 AM (IPz9m)

9 I've been watching TopGear UK on Netflix lately, and in an episode from 2003 they went over how the small cars were generally faring better in crash tests than bigger vehicles. So I guess either things have regressed in the small car segment or the bigger vehicles have gotten better? *** They were probably building cars only to pass the tests previously conducted. This test was only created in 2012 and SURPRISE! they didn't build in any safety devices to handle this type of impact. Frankly, I was a bit shocked to learn that they only implemented this test in 2012 as, from what I understand, it's a fairly common type of crash.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:17 AM (DmNpO)

10 Don't forget the Mecum auctions. They're on Velocity Channel fairly often, and in fact there's been one going on for several days on different NBC-family stations (NBC, Esquire, NBCSN). They're wrapping up tomorrow.

Velocity will be repeating Indianapolis this week, I think.

These are mostly muscle-car auctions. I like the first couple of days the best, because there are neat cars that even filthy loser Morons can afford.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 25, 2014 10:17 AM (celt+)

11 I'm auctioning my car. Starting price is $1 trillion. I expect to be in the record books.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at January 25, 2014 10:17 AM (cxs6V)

12 thanks, Sven

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:18 AM (DmNpO)

13 Of course, it could be that the European crash test authority were full of shit, but they did show the vehicles themselves, though we didn't see the actual tests. Maybe their methodology favored smaller vehicles, somehow.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:18 AM (IPz9m)

14 I missed Barret Jackson this year. No cable or satellite now. So the floor was drool free this year.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 25, 2014 10:18 AM (T2V/1)

15 You recon that gal can push her chest out any harder?

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 25, 2014 10:18 AM (T2V/1)

16 You recon that gal can push her chest out any harder? *** Not without throwing her back out!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:19 AM (DmNpO)

17 Frankly, I was a bit shocked to learn that they only implemented this test in 2012 as, from what I understand, it's a fairly common type of crash.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 02:17 PM (DmNpO)

Interesting. What took them so long?

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:19 AM (IPz9m)

18 Thought about buying a Fiat because I need something small to fit in the extra garage bay that houses my mountain bikes. Just for tooling around town with top speed zones of 35. Might still look at them.

Posted by: NCKate at January 25, 2014 10:20 AM (x6fKj)

19 Anybody have an opinion on the new Jeep Wranglers with the new engines? I'm not an off-roader, I just think I'd like to own a Wrangler once in my life.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 25, 2014 10:20 AM (celt+)

20
   Looking at the Barrett-Jackson auction prices makes me recall watching a 68 Plymouth Road Runner sell for 45k.

   Interesting in that it was exactly like the one I bought brand new in 68 for $2945.00, right off the showroom floor.

   I own one today that has an investment of $16,300 odd dollars. That includes the purchase price.

    Such a deal.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2014 10:20 AM (SAMxH)

21 How many back surgeries do you think that Car Show Girl had to have since that picture was taken!? re: Auctions - I can't believet he retarded money people were paying for 'vettes.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:20 AM (TYzFA)

22 I should clarify that TopGear weren't claiming that small cars in general were better, dunno why I used the word "generally" there, but that specific make/models did surprisingly well, and that some bigger vehicles didn't.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:20 AM (IPz9m)

23 That Alpha Romeo is a thing of beauty. Stunning.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 25, 2014 10:21 AM (RJMhd)

24 19 Anybody have an opinion on the new Jeep Wranglers with the new engines? I'm not an off-roader, I just think I'd like to own a Wrangler once in my life.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 25, 2014 02:20 PM (celt+)

My older brother had a Jeep pickup truck. He had to completely replace the transmission three times. They are a POS.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 25, 2014 10:22 AM (T2V/1)

25 Interesting. What took them so long? *** No clue. I know they've long had the front offset crash test but I believe that encompasses about 1/2 of the front of the car which I assume means the bumper and frame would absorb the impact. Here, they crash only a small portion of the bumper with the quarter panel taking the hit. It doesn't appear there is much, if any, engineering to protect form that angle.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:22 AM (DmNpO)

26 12 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 02:18 PM (DmNpO)

You always do good work.

If I'm scarce nothing personal.

The last week has put me in a dark mood and I am gonna spare the Horde the storm.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 10:23 AM (TE35l)

27 And, for the morons, Countrysquire offers you this gentle reminder of elbows from days gone by: Ow, my eyes!

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 10:23 AM (doBIb)

28 I think that the crash test standards continue to evolve and all cars including smaller ones are much, much safer than in years past. That said, the law of physics will make you her bitch.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:23 AM (8FyP4)

29 (Editors note: I want that Jeep) You only think you do. They are a bear to keep on the road.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:23 AM (TYzFA)

30 I should clarify that TopGear weren't claiming that small cars in general were better, dunno why I used the word "generally" there, but that specific make/models did surprisingly well, and that some bigger vehicles didn't. *** I've read the same types of articles and had learned the Smart car did quite well in prior testing.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:24 AM (DmNpO)

31 @3 - no. This was a 'small-offset frontal collision' where the impact forces are driven through approximately 25% of the front structure. What happens here is that they keep ratcheting up the supposed standard, and when you're looking at crash-test results you've got to make sure you're comparing apples to apples. Was it a 25mph test, or a 30mph test, or a 35mph test? Was it a fixed barrier or another vehicle? Was it a head on (no offset) test where the whole front of the vehicle hits a perpendicular barrier, an offset test where the impact's on half the front end, a small-offset test where the impact's just on one corner, or what? You get all kinds of interesting permutations. The kind of structure that scores best in a full-front-on crash test may be too soft to properly absorb an offset impact.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:24 AM (o+SC1)

32 22 Posted by: KG at January 25, 2014 02:20 PM (IPz9m)

It could be, and I can buy that the Land Rovers don't do very well with newer models.

Cars in General while more safe are not as safe as older cars with the same catastrophic failure engineering used today would be.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 10:24 AM (TE35l)

33 Money wise. They drive exactly like they should.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:24 AM (TYzFA)

34 That's the lovely Ms. Linda Vaughn in the photo, who was at the B-J auction this year. She was the original Hurst girl. If you ever saw the movie "The Gumball Rally", she was 'Plan Alpha' there at the end. Lot's of photos of her are out there from back in the day.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:27 AM (8FyP4)

35 There's one immutable rule of auto safety that's been true for about fifty years: if you prioritize safety above all else you drive an S-class Mercedes.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:27 AM (o+SC1)

36 There's one immutable rule of auto safety that's been true for about fifty years: if you prioritize safety above all else you drive an S-class Mercedes. ...or maybe try a Volvo.

Posted by: Zombie Pricess Diana at January 25, 2014 10:29 AM (TYzFA)

37 35 There's one immutable rule of auto safety that's been true for about fifty years: if you prioritize safety above all else you drive an S-class Mercedes. Posted by: JEM ============================= Really?

Posted by: Princess Di at January 25, 2014 10:29 AM (8FyP4)

38 Really?

Posted by: Princess Di at January 25, 2014 02:29 PM (8FyP4)

Well, a car can only do so much against the Illuminati.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:30 AM (IPz9m)

39 (there are conspiracy theories about that, right?)

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 10:30 AM (IPz9m)

40 ...or maybe try a Volvo. *** this is where my thinking went as well.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:31 AM (DmNpO)

41 @19 - I think they stuck the V6 in 'em that's been used in the 300 for a bunch of years. If it's what you need/want it's probably fine, IMO the Wrangler's just gotten too big.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:32 AM (o+SC1)

42 While Volvo gets all the credit, Mercedes has done a tremendous amount of work in the field of automotive safety.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:32 AM (8FyP4)

43 @37 - Well, if you'd been wearing your seatbelt like the one person in the car who survived, you'd still be alive.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:33 AM (o+SC1)

44 Seatbelts are for the commoners.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:35 AM (8FyP4)

45 Those are some fine 60's vintage elbows on that blonde Teh bewbies look like the bumper bullets of a 58 Caddy

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 10:36 AM (aTXUx)

46 NDH - you aould appreciate this. Growing up, my dad had an early eighties Grand Wagoneer like that, but outfitted with the Laredo package. Black on black. It sat a little higher, had whT I think was called "qudra trac" (early AWD?). It was beautiful. All of about 6 mpg, IIRC. I've wanted one ever since. This is the only pic I could find that even comes close, and it sucks: Nevermind... I have a tinyurl, but the pic from google I started with had 9000 characters! The tiny looked safe, but I don't trust the internet.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 10:36 AM (JXkyA)

47 Well, if you'd been wearing your seatbelt like the one person in the car who survived, you'd still be alive. You every try blowing a Prince with a shoulder harness on?

Posted by: Zombie Pricess Dianna at January 25, 2014 10:36 AM (TYzFA)

48 47 Posted by: Zombie Pricess Dianna at January 25, 2014 02:36 PM (TYzFA)

I blew the King that way baby....

//Monica L formerly of Georgetown

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 10:37 AM (TE35l)

49 Rolex 24 at Daytona just started a bit ago. Not sure why endurance racing seems to be the only type of sports car racing that has any popularity, but seems to be the niche it's found.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 25, 2014 10:38 AM (ZPrif)

50 You know, it's been nice enough out here to take the Galaxy out for a drive...if it wasn't for the damn gravel on the roads, that is. I think I'll back her out for a wash and wax, though.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:39 AM (TYzFA)

51 There are a lot of pictures of "Jungle" Pam Hardy on the HAMB thread, but I was afraid that they might be a bit too...uhhh...nipply to include in the thread.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:39 AM (8FyP4)

52 Mercedes was good at structures before anyone else. Then Volvo and Saab, and then BMW, and then everyone else. That's my take on it at least. Marketing and regulatory considerations mean pretty much everyone's at least adequate now.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:39 AM (o+SC1)

53 How much for a Yugo and a Trabant?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2014 10:39 AM (m2Pxu)

54 36 There's one immutable rule of auto safety that's been true for about fifty years: if you prioritize safety above all else you drive an S-class Mercedes. ..or maybe try a Volvo. Posted by: Zombie Pricess Diana at January 25, 2014 02:29 PM (TYzFA) Saabs were built so safely I think they could withstand an invasion of Soviet tanks.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 10:40 AM (aTXUx)

55 @45 - America had a thriving machine-tool industry in those days to serve the manufacture of pushup bras.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:41 AM (o+SC1)

56 Galaxie, damned autocorrect.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:42 AM (TYzFA)

57 What year Galaxie?

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:42 AM (8FyP4)

58 NDH - you aould appreciate this. Growing up, my dad had an early eighties Grand Wagoneer like that, but outfitted with the Laredo package. Black on black. It sat a little higher, had whT I think was called "qudra trac" (early AWD?). It was beautiful. All of about 6 mpg, IIRC. I've wanted one ever since. This is the only pic I could find that even comes close, and it sucks: Nevermind... I have a tinyurl, but the pic from google I started with had 9000 characters! The tiny looked safe, but I don't trust the internet. *** Black on black? So sweeet! This is a bit older, but I love this one. http://bit.ly/1laSkba

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:42 AM (DmNpO)

59 I've never been into the Jeep "Wagonerds" They looked like something Bill Keane of "Family Circus" drove They were solid work vehicles though, back in the days when GMC Suburbans and Jeep Wagoneers weren't just big cushy station wagons

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 10:43 AM (aTXUx)

60 This weekend's the big Turlock swap meet, but I'm not going to make it, it's not worth the drive for the limited prospect that I might find anything I really need, and I've got way, way too much to finish on hand already...

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:45 AM (o+SC1)

61 Here's a good'n http://www.redaceequipped.com/2012/08/jungle-pam-hardy-28-pics-1-vid.html

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:45 AM (TYzFA)

62 "Saabs were built so safely I think they could withstand an invasion of Soviet tanks."

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Nah, an old joke in Sweden is that if the Soviets invaded Scandinavia, they'd fight to the last Finn.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 25, 2014 10:46 AM (celt+)

63 64 XL Convertible

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:46 AM (TYzFA)

64 The tits on that blonde seem impossibly high. Must investigate further. Linda Vaughn, did you say?

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 10:46 AM (doBIb)

65 Thanks to eBay, swap meets just aren't what they used to be. We'll be making the big Pate swap meet in April to look for stuff for the '32 Ford I'm building.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:47 AM (8FyP4)

66 NDH - yeah, that's sweet. I really like how he dumped the exhaust in front of the rear tire. I did that on my old F250 diesel with true duals. No mufflers. No cats. Believe it or not, on the diesel, it was street legal.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 10:48 AM (JXkyA)

67 My favorite Jeep, because of the driver .... http://tinyurl.com/k8hyowz

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 10:48 AM (aTXUx)

68 A bullet on wheels, and a couple o' bullets in the holster. A great thread!

Posted by: mrp at January 25, 2014 10:48 AM (JBggj)

69 63.5s & 64s are the ones to own. FE engine?

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:49 AM (8FyP4)

70
Been watching the Mecum Auction this week (1 more day tmrw, on nbc sports and nbc channel), but I fell in love with a deep black 57 vette last night.

There are some crazy beautiful cars out there, especially compared to the tin they push these days.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2014 10:49 AM (n0DEs)

71 Those vintage photos are awesome! Thanks for the link.

Posted by: Havedash at January 25, 2014 10:49 AM (G1XMn)

72 That Alpha Romeo is a thing of beauty.

Stunning.

Posted by: Teleprompter Feed Crew at January 25, 2014 02:21 PM (RJMhd)

From the heart of the Classic Era. There's a reason they call it that. I'd sooner own that Alfa than any of the fancy-pants Vettes and Ferraris listed above.

Regarding that Wagoneer. I owned a '78 once, which had formerly belonged to a minor Canadian celebrity. It was a rusty POS, and didn't run. I determined that the drive gear for the distributor had sheared off the front of the cam, apparently a common problem on those old AMC engines. Got it running, but never drove it on the road, because the driver's side frame rail was rusted through to nothing where salt-laden mud had been trapped between it and the plastic fuel tank. Wound up selling it for a pittance to an AMC fan, who was happy to get it.

And regarding old-car auctions in general, a lot of them have devolved into mere dick-swinging contest, where gold-chainers seek to impress the prospective trophy wife with feats of financial derring-do. And I also strongly suspect the process is means of artificially inflating the value of one's assets. Joe auctions his Sting Ray to pal Bob for 3 million, and, in turn, buys Bob's hemi Cuda for 3.05 million. Auction house gets a few grand in commissions, and Joe and Bob both get notoriety for being high rollers who have multi-million dollar car collections. Later, both Joe and Bob donate their cars to a charitable organization, and claim the auction value, for huge tax break. Crap like that sort screws up the market for those of us who enjoy the old cars for what they are.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2014 10:49 AM (pFqpP)

73 I didn't click through the links... Is there a list of what sold & at what price? I'm curious as to what my old Riviera is worth.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 10:49 AM (JXkyA)

74 Knock, knock. Who's there? Emerson. Emerson who? Emerson nice airbags on Miss Hurst.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 25, 2014 10:50 AM (0HooB)

75 Yep. 390 4 spd.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 10:50 AM (TYzFA)

76 Here's a good'n **** Holy cow but that dude reminds me of this dude: http://bit.ly/1bpgNQd

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:50 AM (DmNpO)

77 More of lovely Linda. http://tinyurl.com/mvcwfbh

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:51 AM (8FyP4)

78 Emerson nice airbags on Miss Hurst. Indeed. That pic must be from her earlier days because google image brings back pics of her showing a more massive set of funbags. Did she get them enhanced or is she pure?

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 10:52 AM (doBIb)

79 My favorite Jeep, because of the driver .... http://tinyurl.com/k8hyowz **** legs

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:52 AM (DmNpO)

80 72 Alberta Oil Peon That made too much sense. Scary, but sounds like a racket that would work really well.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 10:53 AM (JXkyA)

81 My first Saab was an '81 900 Turbo. Saab was by automaker standards quite small and so the customers ended up doing a lot of the durability testing. Up into the mid '90s at least it was a good idea never to buy the first year of any significant new model or feature. I didn't realize what the black tubes under the back seat were until sometime later; back then Saab ran the nylon fuel lines INSIDE the car, down the driver's footwell. Well, even with 85psi line pressure typical of the Bosch K-Jetronic mechanical injection they didn't have a reputation for barbecuing their occupants...

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 10:53 AM (o+SC1)

82 That pic must be from her earlier days because google image brings back pics of her showing a more massive set of funbags. Did she get them enhanced or is she pure? *** She was very thin in the elbows pic. It looks like she is more, um, womanly now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:54 AM (DmNpO)

83 Alfa-Romeos are gorgeous cars, but if you own one you'd be well advised to be proficient in car repair or know a shop that specializes in vintage Alfas You'll be spending the kind of cash on maintenance and repairs that make even British sports car owners say "good luck with that, mate"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 10:54 AM (aTXUx)

84 My b.s. detector automatically goes off anytime I see a GM product do significantly better than anyone else on some test.

I don't know how the IIHS controls for possible bias, but that would be worth looking into.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2014 10:55 AM (BeSEI)

85 She was very thin in the elbows pic. It looks like she is more, um, womanly now. She was probably 19 or so in that pic up there. I bet she never had to pay for a drink.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 10:56 AM (doBIb)

86 Maybe the Horde can help me remember something from my yout. Chevrolet used to set up a traveling display occasionally in the parking lot of a shopping center in Mobile. Inside the tents there were displays of engines and transmissions, movies were shown and the latest models were showcased. I remember games for the kids, and one display where you could mold your own toys out of plastic. These traveling shows had a name, IIRC, something like "World of Chevy" or something. Any help will be appreciated.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 25, 2014 10:56 AM (0HooB)

87 80 72 Alberta Oil Peon That made too much sense. Scary, but sounds like a racket that would work really well. Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck +++++++++++++++++++++++ Keep in mind that the auctions have a 10% premium for both buyers and sellers. That's $600,000 for a $3,000,000 car. More than 'a few grand'.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:56 AM (8FyP4)

88 RUFKM?! http://bit.ly/KVyfF3

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 10:58 AM (DmNpO)

89 When many people think of the Alfa-Romeo Spyder, they think of Dustin Hoffman in The Graduate Pretty realistic scene since it broke down before he got to the wedding, even in the movies ...

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 10:58 AM (aTXUx)

90 73 I didn't click through the links... Is there a list of what sold & at what price? I'm curious as to what my old Riviera is worth. Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Try the valuation guide at Hagerty.com. It's probably as accurate as anything out there.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 10:59 AM (8FyP4)

91 That pic must be from her earlier days because google image brings back pics of her showing a more massive set of funbags. Did she get them enhanced or is she pure? It doesn't matter. Not. One. Bit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 25, 2014 11:00 AM (0HooB)

92 My '64 had a 390 from the factory; it's proven to be a little more work than I'd planned to get the stroked 460 and 4R70W in there and fitting the way I wanted them to fit. That whole project's proven that a 'little more work' in seven or eight different places turns into 'a whole lot more work'. The 390's in parts right now but it's likely to go back together for another project that's on the horizon...

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 11:00 AM (o+SC1)

93
We owned a Jeep for years--Dad bought it surplus. It had a winch and fording kit--you could get yourself in an incredible amount of trouble with the thing with just a little effort.

We had it until I went into the service.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2014 11:01 AM (SAMxH)

94 Someone (Purp?) posted a sidebar link a while back with the news that Chevy are putting a high efficiency mini turbodiesel in the Cruze, to try to compete with the VW TDI cars.

Although I'm a longtime ardent proponent of small diesels, I wouldn't even go to look at one of these things, for a bunch of reasons.

-- They did the same idiotic thing VW did, putting a _timing belt_ in a diesel. It ruins the whole concept of operations of a diesel to be having to do costly major servicing at anything less than 250,000 miles.

-- And would the rest of a Cruze even come close to holding up acceptably when paired to a high longevity engine? Seriously to be doubted.

-- The various emissions crapola are really making diesels more and more finicky and complex, to where it's unfavorably altering the long haul total cost of ownership calculus.

-- New generation "green" low sulfur diesel fuel costs a flipping mint. Last time I drove cross country, I lost track of the number of stations where premium unleaded was cheaper than diesel!

-- Government goddamned Motors and the United goddamned Auto Workers. 'Nuff said. Never buying another vehicle which either one of those have had anything to do with, ever again for the rest of my life. I'd rather walk.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2014 11:02 AM (gqT4g)

95 Love that old Alfa .. the hood is so long it looks like it could fit a Merlin engine under it One reason those old high end cars of the 30's and 40's had those long hoods was because most of them were powered by the Straight 8, although some Dusies and Mercedes has V-12's

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 11:02 AM (aTXUx)

96 Keep in mind that the auctions have a 10% premium for both buyers and sellers. That's $600,000 for a $3,000,000 car. More than 'a few grand'.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 02:56 PM (8FyP4)

It still provides a mechanism for ratcheting up car prices in a public venue. And it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that major auctions had a way to rebate some of that premium to favored customers as a promotional expense.

Silver Auctions, operated by Mitch Silver is an auction outfit in the old car game that seems to be pretty honestly run, and prices at his auctions are a lot more accessible for the average guy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2014 11:02 AM (pFqpP)

97 Last one we sold, NDH was about 7 years ago, near mint @ 80k and we got $8500 for it. It was a pos, btw. Their best feature is their looks.

Posted by: garrett at January 25, 2014 11:02 AM (TYzFA)

98 Emerson outrageous prices for an old Wranger.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at January 25, 2014 11:05 AM (0HooB)

99 It was a pos, btw. Their best feature is their looks. **** Indeed it is. There is something that's quite beautiful about them.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:05 AM (DmNpO)

100 OT but just saw on twitter, the Maryland mall shooting was a domestic situation, not a random shooting.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:07 AM (DmNpO)

101 96 No doubt that there are some shenanigans, but I think the market prices on blue chip cars is quite real.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:07 AM (8FyP4)

102 Maybe it's the water down South but as women became "more matronly" fuller breasts were common here. For the record size never meant as much to me as attitude. I like women who love being themselves and like us men.

Posted by: backhoe at January 25, 2014 11:07 AM (ULH4o)

103 Really? Posted by: Princess Di at January 25, 2014 02:29 PM (8FyP4) The car stayed together relatively well. Had you been belted in like you were supposed to, we'd be listening to you whine about Prince Charles today.

Posted by: Bill H at January 25, 2014 11:08 AM (3sZO1)

104 RUFKM?!

http://bit.ly/KVyfF3

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 02:58 PM (DmNpO)

Here ya go, NDH, a Studebaker Wagonaire. If you think that it bears a strong resemblance to the Jeep Wagoneer, you're right. Both were designed by famed designer Brooks Stevens. But the Wagonaire has a sliding roof! Which is pretty cool (and leaky, LOL). Ask me how I know.

http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/65_Wagonaire.jpg

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2014 11:09 AM (pFqpP)

105 Fun thread! Could be an Ode to IowaHawk post. Thanks for the yummy looking guy. A treat. Busy Saturday. In between catching up on Covert Affairs...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 25, 2014 11:10 AM (IXrOn)

106 We went to the Houston auto show last night and got to see the new aluminum F150. I thought it looked much better in person than in photos. Seemed smaller and sleeker than the new Tundra.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:11 AM (8FyP4)

107 The last boat of any size my Dad built- the Hatteras- had a pair of straight-eight engines, self-bailing scuppers, and a ton of lead in her keel. She was a seaboat, meant to head out in the roughest sea- and get you back alive.

Posted by: backhoe at January 25, 2014 11:13 AM (ULH4o)

108 For the LIB Morons who may need to travel a ways when the Burning Times come, a guide to making your own biomass diesel fuel First tip, make sure your vehicle has a diesel engine http://tinyurl.com/l2a48eh

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 11:13 AM (aTXUx)

109 oh. dario franchitti divorced ashley judd this past year... after his career ended.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at January 25, 2014 11:14 AM (IXrOn)

110 All these tag-team posts prove wrestling is as fake as magnets on an F-150's fuel line.

Posted by: Andy Kaufman at January 25, 2014 11:16 AM (R6JT1)

111 Here ya go, NDH, a Studebaker Wagonaire. If you think that it bears a strong resemblance to the Jeep Wagoneer, you're right. Both were designed by famed designer Brooks Stevens. But the Wagonaire has a sliding roof! Which is pretty cool (and leaky, LOL). Ask me how I know. **** Yummy!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:17 AM (DmNpO)

112
What parts of the F150's are aluminum? Besides the usual suspects, I mean.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2014 11:18 AM (SAMxH)

113 The early Wagoneers had an interesting OHC 6 cyl. Continental engine.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 25, 2014 11:18 AM (l3vZN)

114 The cab and bed are aluminum, saving as much as 700lbs.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:19 AM (8FyP4)

115 It's odd what attracts one person and not another. For some reason, those big ol' bulky Jeeps have been the draw for me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:19 AM (DmNpO)

116 115 It's odd what attracts one person and not another. For some reason, those big ol' bulky Jeeps have been the draw for me. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse And I've never liked them.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:20 AM (8FyP4)

117 100 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 03:07 PM (DmNpO)

so a dedicated murder then...

yeah...I can't wait until the idiocy storm hits...

there any report with perp/victim data?

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 11:20 AM (TE35l)

118 dario franchitti divorced ashley judd this past year... Did he wait until her last check cleared?

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 11:21 AM (doBIb)

119 108 Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 03:13 PM (aTXUx)

KB one of my goals when wife retires is starting a grease rap cleaning business with oil disposal as part of the contract...

set up a Bio-Diesel still and you're whistling Dixie...

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 11:22 AM (TE35l)

120 118 dario franchitti divorced ashley judd this past year... Did he wait until her last check cleared? Posted by: EC Perhaps he had grown tired of the puffy scamper.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:23 AM (8FyP4)

121 so a dedicated murder then... yeah...I can't wait until the idiocy storm hits... there any report with perp/victim data? *** Nope. No details yet.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:24 AM (DmNpO)

122 Perhaps he had grown tired of the puffy scamper. Or her ridiculous bullshit.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 11:24 AM (doBIb)

123
Pickups are not the hot setup for handling to begin with. I hope they did some heavy duty testing on that application.

Not to mention the traction issues in snow, with an unladen pickup.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2014 11:25 AM (SAMxH)

124 dario will not race again....too bad

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 33 days until spring training at January 25, 2014 11:25 AM (u8GsB)

125 Wow for a Saturday there is a lot going on at the HQ

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 11:26 AM (/B0pU)

126 Perhaps he had grown tired of the puffy scamper. Or her ridiculous bullshit. **** And he could be the most monogamous man in the world, but when you look like that, are famous, wealthy, AND your wife is a nutjob, all those female fans might make you think about your freedom. However, I thought I read something at one time that their breakup had to do with a disagreement over children.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:27 AM (DmNpO)

127 Just want to say thanks for all the kind(?) words from the horde. I try to bring a little moron to the show when I can, but I have to be careful. I get too comfortable and the language may become an issue. Thanks also to CAC for being my first guest and for giving you all a heads up. I hope we didn't bore anyone.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 25, 2014 11:30 AM (NXg/k)

128 biodiesel is soooo 2000's the problem isn't making the stuff, but purifying it.

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 11:30 AM (/B0pU)

129

sheer nor shear

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: complete and total

: very steep : almost straight up and down

Posted by: pedant at January 25, 2014 11:31 AM (x/LRg)

130 "She was a seaboat, meant to head out in the roughest sea- and get you back alive."

http://gcaptain.com/heavy-surf-sea-trials-interceptor-42-photos/

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2014 11:31 AM (gqT4g)

131 oh, and I felt like Ace on Fox News while reading the previous thread.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 25, 2014 11:31 AM (NXg/k)

132 GJ wiserbud

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 11:33 AM (/B0pU)

133 sheer nor shear ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I blame NDH.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:35 AM (8FyP4)

134 @94 - The reputation of passenger-car diesels in the US has long been dependent on Mercedes practice, and for a few decades Mercedes did build a lot of diesels that would run basically forever as long as you fed them clean fuel, of course they also made no HP and an old '70s 240D needed the entire State of the Union address to get to 60mph. But this kind of diesel was a bit of an anachronism in the rest of the world by the late '80s anyway, and the only reason we didn't see that was that for a variety of reasons (relative fuel taxation, GM spitting in the diesel soup with their early '80s V8s, etc.) more modern diesel designs were not common here. Now, in some parts of the world diesels outsell gasoline engines, in some places dramatically so. The same weight, NVH, driveability, emissions, etc considerations that drive gasoline engine development drive diesel design too. This means that for a diesel to be competitive in the marketplace it has to be passably smooth, as fast as the competition, can't have those 'endearing' drivability quirks like counting to 15 waiting for the glow-plugs, etc. You can't sell a lumpy, understressed 65HP engine any more, even it it would run 400K miles between overhauls. Yeah, particulate traps and urea treatment and etc. are a pain and that's all going to have to evolve a while. I'm happy to see GM putting the diesel in the Cruze but if they properly wanted to compete with VW they'd also have to start selling the Cruze wagon here.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 11:35 AM (o+SC1)

135 Is anyone still here? Sorry - i just took a phonecall for the last half hour... Anyway, here's what is in my garage now : http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/buick/1966-buick-riviera.jpg That one ain't mine, but is an exact replica. If I pulled mine out & washed it, this is it. Actually this isn't a GS, while mine is. I can't wait for summer... I'm the third owner. Matching #'s, all original, I have the the protect-o-plate

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 11:36 AM (JXkyA)

136 The biggie of the biggie auctions is right here in my neck of the woods. In mid August you get: Mecum RM Russo and Steele Gooding and Company Concours d'Elegance Pebble Beach (Cars are on display in Carmel for public viewing) Concorso Italiano Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion, Mazda Laguna Seca Plus Jay Leno

Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2014 11:37 AM (mETGQ)

137 Silver Auctions, operated by Mitch Silver is an auction outfit in the old car game that seems to be pretty honestly run, and prices at his auctions are a lot more accessible for the average guy. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2014 03:02 PM (pFqpP) ---------- I've bought 2 cars from Silver auctions. 1st was 12k, second was 19k. These auctions are definitely accessible to the average Joes. And the % was much lower than 10%, I think 4% for the buyer. Not sure for the seller.

Posted by: Mr Moo Moo at January 25, 2014 11:39 AM (0LHZx)

138 The problems with modern diesels are the high initial cost and the cost of the fuel. American refineries are set up to make gasoline, not distillates, but that will likely change.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:39 AM (8FyP4)

139 130? torquewrench? Thanks- I never saw The Hatteras- Dad built her during WWII in the loft of his engineering firm in Savannah. She had a displacement hull- stability, not speed-- that was double-diagonal planked. Open cockpit, also self-bailing. At 28 feet she was the biggest he built. But he did build others, including that 4 X 10 bat-tow I used to row to the Pier in the Village as a kid.

Posted by: backhoe at January 25, 2014 11:40 AM (ULH4o)

140 I'm washing, claying, polishing and waxing two vehicles in an attempt to make it rain. Watch it rain bird poop instead.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2014 11:41 AM (mETGQ)

141 @140 - yeah, the crows sit in the juniper along our driveway just waiting for me to show up with the bucket and sponge so they can start laughing.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 11:42 AM (o+SC1)

142 135 Beautiful car. Buick was really building a nice car at that time. Nailhead 425?

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:42 AM (8FyP4)

143 Jeeps are made by UAW. To me any UAW made car, be it GM or not is never going to see the inside of my garage. Plenty of great cars out there so I don't have to give money to Obama via the unions.

Posted by: Mr Moo Moo at January 25, 2014 11:42 AM (0LHZx)

144 I'm washing, claying, polishing and waxing two vehicles in an attempt to make it rain. Watch it rain bird poop instead. Posted by: YIKES! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That's my plan for tomorrow for one of mine. Doing a brake job on one today and annual service on the other.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:44 AM (8FyP4)

145 Five minutes after leaving work last night, one of the coilpacks died in my '02 Audi. I limped the remaining 25 miles home on 3 cylinders. Not fun! Popped the hood when I got home, and the catalytic converter was glowing orange. That can't be good. I hope I didn't fry it. I was happy to find that Autozone sells a replacement coilpack for only $32. I figured I'd have to order one online for $100 or more. It was a super easy fix too. Last weekend I repaired the wife's minivan's power sliding door. That was easy too. A couple of wires broke in the flex harness thingy. I had no clue where to start until I found a video on youtube. It seems to be a common enough problem. Cost me $0 and about 15 minutes of soldering.

Posted by: Chris M at January 25, 2014 11:45 AM (4lyMJ)

146 135 - outstanding ride. Those are gorgeous cars.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 25, 2014 11:46 AM (celt+)

147 Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 03:44 PM (8FyP4) Trying out a new polisher called a Flex. Made in Germany but got sold the the Chinese Pricey but the results are impressive.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2014 11:48 AM (mETGQ)

148 Nailhead 425? Thanks. You nailed it, CS. (see what i did there?) I only have the single carb @ 340hp. version. They had an option of dual carb @ 360, but they were even rarer. You can credit Bill Mitchell for the beauty, and yes she really is a looker. Fun trivia fact - this was the car we can all thank for the disappearance of the side-vent window. I'll have to try to find a pic of the "drum" speedometer that everyone fawns over. I've never seen another one.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 11:48 AM (JXkyA)

149 yeah I will never again buy a GM, Chrysler, Ford car again due to the bailout makes me sad

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 11:48 AM (/B0pU)

150 OK, I'm out. Gotta go finish that brake job, then service the Spyder.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:49 AM (8FyP4)

151 121 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 03:24 PM (DmNpO)

My Spider Sense tells me this story may quietly disappear...

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 11:50 AM (TE35l)

152 Brake time over. Time for wax on, wax off.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 25, 2014 11:50 AM (mETGQ)

153 See ya CS

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2014 11:50 AM (DmNpO)

154 149 yeah I will never again buy a GM, Chrysler, Ford car again due to the bailout

-------------------

I don't think Ford took bailout money.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 25, 2014 11:51 AM (celt+)

155 Those Jeep Wagoneers are awesome- just watch any rerun of 'Dallas' and you'll see what they drive. There is a place in Texas that ONLY sells those, and refurbishes them. They are a maintenance nightmare- the 4wd lever on some is in the glovebox... Plus, they were built in the Rust-era of Detroit; especially AMC/Jeep times.

Speaking of which, Jeep Wranglers ain't been worth squat since the CJ5. I still want to walk into a dealer, and offer him cash for one if he'll turn a garden hose on inside one. You couldn't afford to fix what would break. If I want 'rugged' I want RUGGED, not some pretend-o-matic. Today's Jeeps are for posing only, unless you can afford to drop some serious coin on an ICON re-do.

As for the auctions- I still have the Buick Grand National I drove off the showroom floor. Can't wait til someone comes around looking for a one-owner, low-mile show car

Posted by: Mr Wolf at January 25, 2014 11:51 AM (Kfm4G)

156 128 Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 03:30 PM (/B0pU)

Yup...there's cost but you can also blend...

I want to have my QOL and Sundry survival able to be self-contained by 2018.

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 11:52 AM (TE35l)

157 I don't think Ford took bailout money. They had a LOC extended to them. Not sure if that counts as a bailout.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2014 11:52 AM (doBIb)

158 147 Have you used a dual action polisher before? I understand the Flex is a little more powerful than the typical PC (or clone), so not quite as forgiving. It seems everyone who has them really like them because you can do corrections much faster. I'm planning on a detailing thread in the spring.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:53 AM (8FyP4)

159 yeah I will never again buy a GM, Chrysler, Ford car again due to the bailout

makes me sad

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 03:48 PM (/B0pU)

Not even used? Of course, if one did get one used, might not want to use the dealer, so that could still be an issue.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 11:53 AM (IPz9m)

160 ford didn't take bailout money but they stood there witb the rest of them and vouched for the 'wisdom' of the bailout

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 11:53 AM (/B0pU)

161 Ford didn't take the bailout money but they quit making the car I liked (Crown Vic). So when wifey needed a new car we got a Toyota. I am driving the old Crown Vic now.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 25, 2014 11:54 AM (T2V/1)

162 Ford did not take a bailout, but Ford Motor Credit did.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 11:54 AM (8FyP4)

163 nope not even used. I am that pissed, still.

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 11:55 AM (/B0pU)

164 Here's the speedo. Tried to find a pic of the whole dash, but no luck. http://tinyurl.com/kpp9zya

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 11:55 AM (JXkyA)

165 nope not even used.
I am that pissed, still.

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 03:55 PM (/B0pU)

I understand.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 11:56 AM (IPz9m)

166 @145 - good luck with that catalyst, if the cat got enough raw fuel through it to get that hot I'd bet the core's at least partially melted. Some engine controls are smarter than others about shutting down fuel to misfiring cylinders.

Posted by: JEM at January 25, 2014 11:58 AM (o+SC1)

167 Vic? Speaking as Willy Newman's former chief mechanic? The Japanese make as good a vehicle as you can find. If someone gave me a carte blanche to buy any price of car or truck I wanted? I'd buy a Jap....

Yeah, I denounce mysef'.... but it's true

Posted by: backhoe at January 25, 2014 11:59 AM (ULH4o)

168 "Five minutes after leaving work last night, one of the coilpacks died in my '02 Audi."

Everyone I know with a VW/Audi product has had trouble with those things.

Neat concept. Poor execution.

You would figure someone in the aftermarket would figure out that people will pay up for the pleasure of having coil packs that are rock solid reliable.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2014 12:02 PM (gqT4g)

169 168 Posted by: torquewrench at January 25, 2014 04:02 PM (gqT4g)

The CoilPacks in my P-71 Crown Vic work fine...

Posted by: Sven 10077 at January 25, 2014 12:03 PM (TE35l)

170 Thanks JEM. Yeah, I read that the engine computer should have shut off the fuel to that cylinder. And the exhaust didn't smell like fuel either. But the cat sure was glowing. We'll see if the check engine light comes back on.

Posted by: Chris M at January 25, 2014 12:05 PM (4lyMJ)

171 We have had good luck with Fords and Toyotas. Except the Toyota that wifey used to have rolled end over end when she slid off the road during an ice storm.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 25, 2014 12:05 PM (T2V/1)

172 Mr. Wolf - I don't know... I drove a 1985 CJ7 off the lot with under 100 miles on it. The only Laredo in town. Insulated carpet, hardtop, A/C (one of the few Jeeps I could find with a/c). The salesguys were giggling because 1) this 18 year old punk cant afford that & b) it was a "luxury" Jeep -with carpet & /C, no less! Well, they weren't laughing when I brought it back three weeks later for a new driveshaft. Then again two months after that for another. After 3 replacements, I said "screw it" had one custom built, and proceeded to tear up every trail I could find in Virginia - all in air-conditioned comfort. I think I had that thing seven yeara & never saw a spot of rust. And I was a punk that tore the thing up. Now that I'm more mature, can appreciate finer things, and know how to take care of things, I'd like first dibs on the GN. That is a car I've always wanted.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 12:08 PM (JXkyA)

173 wow vic that's awful

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 12:08 PM (/B0pU)

174 Ford's OK in my book. GM and Fiat? No thanks.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at January 25, 2014 12:12 PM (R5qgD)

175 Not even used? Of course, if one did get one used, might not want to use the dealer, so that could still be an issue.

Posted by: KG at January 25, 2014 03:53 PM (IPz9m)

__________

Buying a used one helps keep the value up of used models. That indirectly helps the sale of new models since one of the things people look at when buying a new car is how well does it hold its value? And parts...used GMs or Chryslers will require maintenance which will mean buying new parts for the same UAW cesspool.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 25, 2014 12:13 PM (0LHZx)

176 I refurbed a 76 CJ just for use at my Cabin for hunting and bouncing around in the woods. I didn't get too worried about making the body perfect as going down trails and rocky logging roads tend to not be too kind to it. It was in sad shape and had holes all over. I re-did the metal and did allot of work to it. But I love the thing. The best part about older cars is that a schlep like me can actually work on them. Open the hood of new cars today and without 100K worth of testing equipment, you can't.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 25, 2014 12:15 PM (bXdYS)

177 162 Ford did not take a bailout, but Ford Motor Credit did.

Posted by: Countrysquire at January 25, 2014 03:54 PM (8FyP4)

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Bailout or or not, the cars are still made by the UAW. That's my #1 reason for never buying an "American" car again. If some day the Big 3 go non-union (and I realize the odds of that happening are less than 0%), I will consider American cars again.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 25, 2014 12:15 PM (0LHZx)

178 Car pic for Her Majesty AlextheChick ... I hope she likes Beemers http://tinyurl.com/kam2zdn

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2014 12:21 PM (aTXUx)

179 It pains me but the wife needed a new minivan (yep, lot's of little Minnfidels, soccer the whole 9 yards) My wife didn't like the Chryslers or Toyota's GM and Ford don't make one anymore. We spent the extra money on a Honda. Never ever thought I'd own a "foreign car". The sad part is that my Honda which was non union made is made with American labor and more US parts than my GM. Fuck the unions. I love that car.

Posted by: Minnfidel at January 25, 2014 12:21 PM (bXdYS)

180 Ace up

Posted by: Vic[/i] at January 25, 2014 12:21 PM (T2V/1)

181 And parts...used GMs or Chryslers will require maintenance which will mean buying new parts for the same UAW cesspool.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 25, 2014 04:13 PM (0LHZx)

Yea, that's the sticking point, and one I have considered in my thinking of getting a used truck in the near future... The problem is that I don't like the Toyotas much. My dad's Tacoma has barely enough leg room for me and it's pretty much the size of the old Tundras. Nissan? I don't know, probably same deal as with Toyotas...

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at January 25, 2014 12:22 PM (IPz9m)

182 that's the non spider version, right?

Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at January 25, 2014 12:22 PM (/B0pU)

183 Three questions for the Horde ... 1) Will the Ford move to aluminum body panels stick ? 2) Same regarding the Cummins 5.0 in a Titan. 3) Same again, NASCAR changes to qualifying and points.

Posted by: ScoggDog at January 25, 2014 12:27 PM (6/+vz)

184 An imporatnt reminder re your car during these cold days: http://tinypic.com/m/hvec05/1

Posted by: Barky at January 25, 2014 12:29 PM (aDwsi)

185 1) Will the Ford move to aluminum body panels stick ? ------------- Yes..., until the insane CAFE rules imposed by O'Bummer require the use of beryllium and plastic

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 25, 2014 12:31 PM (aDwsi)

186 I took a look at Hagerty this past week. Just for fun looked at the prices for 1967 Shelby GT500s. What is interesting when looking at the price graphs was the decline in value, August 2007 a coupe went for $262k. April 2009 one went for $175,000. Fast forward to December 2013, $202,000 for a coupe. That is condition one cars. The overall average for all conditions is $122,720.

Meanwhile a 1964 Ferrari 250 GTB coupe has seen its value skyrocket. December 2006, one sold for $500K. December 2013, one sold for $1,680,000. These are condition one cars.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2014 12:32 PM (v0Hui)

187 Hmm. Here are some spares for the 250GTB buyer: http://www.hemmings.com/parts/item/4967.html?refer=news

Posted by: Mike Hammer at January 25, 2014 12:36 PM (aDwsi)

188 1) Will the Ford move to aluminum body panels stick ? Not to magnetic signs.

Posted by: shredded chi - If the river was whiskey, I'd be a diving duck at January 25, 2014 01:44 PM (JXkyA)

189 Sure! I post a photo link of three cute spiders including one wearing a hat and Alex the Chick wants to kill me; but NDH posts a photo of a Spyder and that's okay.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at January 25, 2014 02:46 PM (NU/ou)

190 I have a 63 Plymouth Valiant slant six with pushbutton trans. 2drhtp no options. 73k original miles and kinda raggedy. Would trade for a 65 VW bug running.

Posted by: Erowmero at January 25, 2014 02:48 PM (OONaw)

191 Nice, but it's 'sheer' not 'shear'. Hey, if'n you'uns need an editor, I'm available...

Posted by: Bill Johnson at January 25, 2014 06:21 PM (WsRHr)

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