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February 15, 2014

Saturday Car Thread 02/15/14 - [Niedermeyer's Dead Horse & Countrysquire]
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Happy day after Valentine's Day my pretties. We *heart* you all. (Well, most of you anyway.) Thanks for your contributions to keeping the posts current and the threads lively.

Today we bring to you a bit of tragedy, a reminder of the uniqueness of car design from years gone by, the start to a controversial race season, and a whole lotta How you doin'?.

First, and most importantly, comes news of the UAW defeat at VW's Chattanooga plant.

Volkswagen workers rejected the union by a vote of 712 to 626. The defeat raises questions about the future of a union that for years has suffered from declining membership and influence, and almost certainly leaves its president, Bob King, who had vowed to organize at least one foreign auto maker by the time he retires in June, with a tarnished legacy.
"If the union can't win [in Chattanooga], it can't win anywhere," said Steve Silvia, a economics and trade professor at American University who has studied labor unions.

Read the full story at the WSJ and revel in the sweet tears and the merriment at Twitter.

In very sad news, several Morons and Moronettes brought this article to my attention. It seems that a tragedy has befallen the automotive world.

The National Corvette Museum in Kentucky suffered a sinkhole which swallowed eight of their beautiful specimens. The video, at the link, shows the moment of collapse and it will make you cringe for what disappears down that hole. The good news, however; is that General Motors is stepping up to help restore the cars that were damaged. As the fella from GM says, thereÂ’s only one 1,000,000th Corvette to roll off the assembly line.

Countrysquire: I like old cars. Hell, I loveÂ’em. Sure, a new Camry will start every time you turn the key, not leak oil or boil over, and has a functioning air conditioning system. Still, todayÂ’s autos have been massaged in wind tunnels to the point that cars in there respective classes all look pretty much the same. Look at the greenhouse of the Ford Fusion, Toyota Avalon, and the just introduced Chrysler 200 and Hyundai Genesis. Same freaking car, and few have any character of their own. Before the big war, car manufacturers were doing their own thing and had stylists whose job it was to make each yearÂ’s new model stand out from the competition. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the cars of 1939.

NASCAR kicks off the Sprint Car Series in Daytona at 8 pm tonight. As you may have heard, there have been changes to The Chase for the championship. The Bleacher Report pronounces NASCAR Moves Into The 21st Century. And, what would a NASCAR season be without someone, this time The King himself, harshing on Danica Patrick?

Moron ScottST sends along this article which seeks to answer the age-old question Does this car make my ass look fat?

It seems that the love for manly men hasnÂ’t quite died out entirely. The folks at Insurance.com conducted a survey of 2,000 people; 1k men and 1k women, to inquire as to which cars make the opposite sex more attractive. Also asked as part of the survey were questions pertaining to the upkeep of the vehicles and, not surprisingly, both men and women prefer a clean car, free of cigarette butts, and without dents. The results of the full survey can be found here but the highlights are shown below:

32% of women in the study responded that thereÂ’s just something women like about a pickup man. And, given that their top choice in vehicle color is black, This might be the vehicle you studly single Morons should consider the next time youÂ’re out shopping.

A black Ford pickup truck. Ford was the brand most chosen by women at 16%.

See? TobyÂ’s no fool. Without that truck heÂ’d be just like any other guy in Nashville, trying to get a record deal and hitting on the kinda-cute receptionist in the hopes of scoring an interview with a producer.

Next on the list that strikes a womanÂ’s fancy is the sports car, at 27%, with Porsche being the brand mentioned most often. Given that, itÂ’s no surprise that red was one of the top three colors mentioned by women. So, if youÂ’re in the market for ~~a fast woman~~, women who prefer speed, this might be your go-to car.

Porsche also made an appearance in the top three cars that men find attractive, with 10% of men mentioning the brand.

At number three on the list of cars that women find attractive is the sport-utility vehicle, or Â‘SUVÂ’ for short. 16% of women surveyed had a hankering for a man who can haul both a load of lumber and the kids to soccer practice. Stability: ThatÂ’s what an SUV looks like. My choice, here, in blue, has absolutely nothing to do with the survey itself, but if I stuck strictly to the survey there would nothing but red, black, and silver in this post and, frankly, thatÂ’s boring.

Rounding out the list of vehicles that women find attractive are: sedans (11%), hybrid or electric (9%), minivans (2%), and, get thisÂ… 1% of women responding said Â‘mail truckÂ’. Yes. The mail truck got 10 votes. Given that statistic, itÂ’s no surprise that 40 women, or 4%, chose THIS as the sexiest vehicle a man can drive:

I searched for Â‘hot UPS guysÂ’ and Â‘hot UPS driversÂ’ and this was the best I could do. I think that whole Â‘hot UPS guyÂ’ thing might be an urban legend. I meanÂ… no matter how sexy that big, boxy, brown truck is, the dude is wearing brown socks, with shorts. CÂ’mon!

Now, to the vehicles that make the men go Grrrrrr.

Heading up the pack, by a wide margin, is this little baby.

39% of men survey responded that they find women in sports cars most attractive. BMW was the car most often mentioned, at 16%, and red was the dominant color of choice at 40%. I think I have an idea why this is. Have you ever seen an old, fat, pale woman driving a red BMW convertible? No? ThereÂ’s a reason for that. We do not want to draw attention to ourselves. The woman who drives this car is just screaming, Â“Look at me!Â” and, who can blame her. SheÂ’s probably 5Â’2Â”, blonde, and weighs 100 lbs soaking wet. She NEEDS a big strong man to protect her.

And, in case you have any doubt as to the authenticity of the male attraction to women in sports cars, fortunately, there is documentary evidence upon which to rely.

Coming in at number two on the list of cars that men find attractive, at 22%, is the trusty sedan. But, not just any old Taurus will do. The car with the second-most number of votes is the Mercedes, at 14%.

Classy, isnÂ’t it?

The third choice of male respondents was the SUV. Now see, I drive an SUV, so I am going to take some liberty here and suggest that, perhaps, this is exactly what they had in mind:

Of course it is! ItÂ’s red. ItÂ’s sporty. ItÂ’s a Jeep, so itÂ’s a little rugged. And, itÂ’s an SUV. What more could you want?

Rounding out the list of vehicles that make a woman look goood are: trucks (10%), hybrid or electric (6%), and minivans (4%)

Now, armed with this knowledge, go forth and shop accordingly.

Moron Johnny I sprung something completely new on me this week. I had never heard of the Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee series but it is, indeed, a thing. So, this weekÂ’s video is courtesy of CICGC and, with Seinfeld in the news as of late, IanÂ’s recommended video comes at the perfect time. I couldnÂ’t find an embeddable link, so go HERE to see it in its entirety. Meanwhile, the season 2 trailer for the series is below:

Each week I scour the net looking for suitable photos for the Moronettes and, perhaps, you wonÂ’t be too shocked to learn that there just arenÂ’t nearly as many photos of hot men out there as there are of hot women. Most of what I find is either cheesecake or clearly not intended for a female audience (ahem). But bear with me ladies, IÂ’ll give it my best.

And, since you Morons had to suffer the UPS photo above, I think itÂ’s only fairÂ…

Please feel free to send any complaints or commendations to us at Twitter: Nied's Dead Horse and Countrysquire.

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1 Nice package on the UPS chick.

Posted by: EC at February 15, 2014 10:06 AM (doBIb)

2 I believe that young lady is Teen Sandy, but I'll need to check...

Posted by: Mallfly at February 15, 2014 10:09 AM (bJm7W)

3 1965 1/2 Mustang, cherry ass red, ragtop. I don't know about the other 'ettes, but that one always makes my panties damp.

Posted by: tcn at February 15, 2014 10:09 AM (fwcEs)

4 I think I just delivered a UPS* package. In my pants.

*Unexpected Projectile Spooge.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 10:11 AM (celt+)

5 That UPS chick? Looks like her panties are in a bundle. Probably not the most comfortable driving outfit, particularly when her naked thighs get stuck to the vinyl seat. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: tcn at February 15, 2014 10:12 AM (fwcEs)

6 My dream car is a Nomad. In reality I drive a Volvo wagon.

Posted by: NCKate at February 15, 2014 10:12 AM (1FoIf)

7 3 1965 1/2 Mustang, cherry ass red, ragtop. I don't know about the other 'ettes, but that one always makes my panties damp.

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That frantic tapping sound is hundreds of sweaty Moron fingers typing out "ebay.com/motors".

Can't wait to see the Kelly Blue Book update in about a month.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 10:13 AM (celt+)

8 "when her naked thighs get stuck to the vinyl seat."

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It's OK, I'm on "gentle peeling" detail. I figure I just have to slowly work some baby oil in there with my fingers.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 10:15 AM (celt+)

9 I'd be very happy with a '72 Vette.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 10:16 AM (celt+)

10 I don't often fall inside the female norm on surveys such as these, but in this case I'm right there with them. Men in good-looking trucks always get a second look at the red light.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 10:18 AM (DmNpO)

11 Surprising that ladies prefer the SUV. A car born out of the BS CAFE standards but now rendered "not a truck" by autocratic edit of the King Tut.

Like the UPS chick but have been married now for over 30 years.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 10:20 AM (T2V/1)

12 It is indeed big fun to read the lefty excuses for the UAW VW defeat. Of course, there's the too-vague-to-refute "outside influences" excuse and the who-needs-free-speech "Republicans intimidate workers" pablum. But my favorite is the "UAW is a damaged brand" excuse which implies that there are different products out there and some brands of mouth breathing labor collusion thuggery sell better than others.

Posted by: Stevie G at February 15, 2014 10:21 AM (x/lJo)

13 Oh! I see what you did there. Tell us all cars today look the same, then show us a picture of all the cars from 1939, and they all look the same!!

Clever. Very clever.

As for the sinkhole, I hate news websites. Just show me the damn video of the damn cars falling in the damn hole. I don't want to see your damn ad, and I don't need to hear your damn reporters talking about the damn cars falling in the damn hole.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:22 AM (BeSEI)

14 Honestly, the margin on that UAW vote is awful thin to me... Over 600 workers actually want a union? That's not good.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at February 15, 2014 10:23 AM (IPz9m)

15 Honestly, the margin on that UAW vote is awful thin to me... Over 600 workers actually want a union? That's not good. *** It is thin, but it is a big victory. They ONLY got 600+ votes even with the Germans and with management on the UAW's side.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 10:24 AM (DmNpO)

16 Here's a video that will charm the roughest, toughest hoss out there, of guys singing to random women for valentines day
No, seriously, take a look, its amaizngly appealing
http://tinyurl.com/m58wb7n

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 15, 2014 10:24 AM (zfY+H)

17 And Comedians in Cars getting Coffee is flawed only by the godawful Acura ads. Great show, very recommended.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 15, 2014 10:25 AM (zfY+H)

18 Parts is parts.

Posted by: Turnkey Camry at February 15, 2014 10:25 AM (KQp38)

19
    When I was a kid,we would sit on the lawn and call out the cars that came by. Easy to tell apart, some just from the engine noise were recognizeable.

    Won't be doing that with the newer transportation modules.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 15, 2014 10:26 AM (SAMxH)

20 14 Honestly, the margin on that UAW vote is awful thin to me... Over 600 workers actually want a union? That's not good.

Posted by: KG at February 15, 2014 02:23 PM (IPz9m)

The margin was actually pretty high. But I am not counting my chickens here. The union will file a greivance with the corrupt union goon NLRB (thank you GOP leadership for that cave).

The NLRB will either direct a second chance vote or will "deem" it to have passed. Hell, why follow the law when you work for the choom king.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 10:26 AM (T2V/1)

21 It is thin, but it is a big victory. They ONLY got 600+ votes even with the Germans and with management on the UAW's side.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 02:24 PM (DmNpO)

Yea, we are seeing this from different glass full/empty perspectives. I see it as "that many?" And it is disturbing to me that a right to work state would have almost half of employees voting for a union. I think in the long run that factory is doomed.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at February 15, 2014 10:27 AM (IPz9m)

22 My one-ton has a dump box. When I pull up to the bar, pickup truck drivers in their four-door four-by-four four-footers scooch over and tip their Cat-hats. Reckon it's the duallies and mudflaps -- or the fact that I could engage PTO and dump whatever's in that box all over their cattle-horn chrome semi horns, and there's sideboards so you can't see what's in the box.

In a one-ton dump, you can wear a hard hat with a white shirt.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 10:28 AM (xq1UY)

23 When did Gabe start wearing a cowboy hat ? YMCA.

Posted by: Chamuco at February 15, 2014 10:28 AM (qQk+U)

24 yup... http://tinyurl.com/lsj5vme

Posted by: Mallfly at February 15, 2014 10:30 AM (bJm7W)

25 6 My dream car is a Nomad.

Nomad? I hear they're not very roomy inside.

http://tinyurl.com/n8wsm7k

Posted by: Anachronda at February 15, 2014 10:31 AM (U82Km)

26 Notice that, for all them 'vettes down the hole, not one was the beautiful C2?
God, even gods of the underworld, have some taste after all.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 10:31 AM (xq1UY)

27 BTW after calculation I see that the union lost by 13.75%. In a political election that would be called a blowout.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 10:32 AM (T2V/1)

28 10--- I don't often fall inside the female norm on surveys such as these, but in this case I'm right there with them. Men in good-looking trucks always get a second look at the red light. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 02:18 PM (DmNpO) --------------------------- Ditto --- although for me the truck doesn't even have to be all that good-looking. Oddly perhaps, I am turned OFF by expensive cars, especially chic-label ones. But expensive trucks are just fine.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 15, 2014 10:33 AM (dfYL9)

29 Which of you's car is this?
http://tinyurl.com/o2fulvh

Meanwhile last night at a burger joint there was a guy, two kids, and his 2014 Shelby GT500. 660HP and a price tag of $69,000. Ouch. Might as well save a few more pennies and get the Porsche.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 15, 2014 10:33 AM (i4AI5)

30 11 -

"Like the UPS chick but have been married now for over 30 years."

That's odd... she doesn't look old enough to have been married for 30 years.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:34 AM (BeSEI)

31 BTW after calculation I see that the union lost by 13.75%. In a political election that would be called a blowout. *** Indeed, it would be. I was pissed at Bob Corker, not about his strong anti-union stance, but about him running his mouth that the execs at VW didn't know what the hell they were talking about. Now, however, I'd like to think that he was smart enough to deliver a message that the execs could not. The fact that he has thoroughly pissed off the UAW is a bonus.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 10:35 AM (DmNpO)

32 30 That's odd... she doesn't look old enough to have been married for 30 years.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 02:34 PM (BeSEI)

Oh noes, my underwear is older than that chick, and also has more holes.

eeeewwwww

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 10:36 AM (T2V/1)

33
    We have a transportation module--selected by my wife.

     She is the primary driver so it IS her car. She fell in love with the Camry after driving a friend's one time.

   Fine by me, I think it is a superb car and would recommend it to all who ask about them.

    Can't stand the thing though.

     My ride is a 27 year old Ramcharger. I love it and it does everything I need it to.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 15, 2014 10:36 AM (SAMxH)

34 Meh, they were 'vette's. Not my style of vehicle, to bad they got shafted like that though. Now if they could just find a way to get the unions to jump in the hole... I did not expect the vote to be that close myself, but there's a lot of Obama voters in that state. Look at the two clowns they send as senators and don't forget Owlgore is from there.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion, and hoping its 404care at February 15, 2014 10:36 AM (baiNQ)

35 Dear Santa Claus, This Christmas, could I please have one of these trucks? - http://tinyurl.com/kzue6pr I've been real good this year. Thanx, BB

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 15, 2014 10:36 AM (0HooB)

36 32 -

Thanks, that is a mental image I did not need.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:38 AM (BeSEI)

37 #29, AP -- That would be the ideal dream car for me given the snow falling here right now!

But this here is my "dream car," to replace the one I had -- and stupidly sold -- long ago. Same color, with the four-speed Hydra-Matic transmission, please.

http://binged.it/1fpm23T

Oh, and an eight-tube Motorola for sounds....

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 15, 2014 10:38 AM (ff7/5)

38 Putting a snow plow blade on a '57 Chevy is sacrilege. And I do hope he doesn't have that old two speed automatic in it. That wasn't an overly reliable transmission.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 10:39 AM (T2V/1)

39 I love how the swooshie arrow on the amazon.com box draws your eyes to a feature that you might have overlooked...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/b] [/s] at February 15, 2014 10:40 AM (HsTG8)

40 First vehicle: Light blue on dark blue '56 Chevy w/235 straight six and Powerglide.

Current vehicle: Silver '06 Silverado extended cab.

Next vehicle: probably a Ford F-150 (cuz FU,GM) or Nissan Titan w/diesel. This will be a leap for me, as I've never owned anything but GM products (done with that) with the exception of a Ford ~~POS~~ Taurus.

Dream vehicle: '72 Ferrari Daytona Spyder, in yellow. Or a Unimog. I'll take either.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 15, 2014 10:41 AM (oxjIj)

41 33 -

I have owned, over the years, sedans by the four big Japanese makers, and one of the Koreans. Of course, different years for the makes and models, but of the different brand names, Toyota is the one that gave me the most hassles.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:43 AM (BeSEI)

42 19 When I was a kid,we would sit on the lawn and call out the cars that came by. Easy to tell apart, some just from the engine noise were recognizeable. Posted by: irongrampa at February 15, 2014 02:26 PM (SAMxH) ------------------------ I was always one of those people --- (yes, they exist) --- who couldn't tell a Ford from a Buick or a sedan from a coupe. Whenever I saw a crime show where ordinary witnesses identified a car as to make, model, approximate year, I would marvel. God help me if I ever had to be a witness. "Uh, it was red." Then I had a son. I kind of learned along with him. When he was 5 or so he loved to go to huge parking lots where he could walk around e-n-d-l-e-s-s-l-y identifying cars by logos, shapes, etc. So I'm a little better now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 15, 2014 10:45 AM (dfYL9)

43 "Might as well save a few more pennies and get the Porsche."

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Then save a few thousand dollars more for the Porsche maintenance.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 10:46 AM (celt+)

44 40 -

Unless you are needing a long bed, and/or will be towing humongous loads, I would recommend you consider the Honda Ridgeline.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:47 AM (BeSEI)

45 I'm more "she thinks my tractor's sexy" but I'll yield that a tractor isn't really a vehicle -- semi-trucks don't count as tractors.

Posted by: PaleRider at February 15, 2014 10:47 AM (vL0Nv)

46 Damn, the UPS babe gives a new meaning to Special Delivery

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 10:47 AM (aTXUx)

47 Love these car threads but just wanted to note that the National Archives in London is on fire, and the photo makes it look bad. The Magna Carta isn't there is it?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 10:48 AM (1Y+hH)

48 See that '39 with a coffin-shaped nose? That's a Hupmobile Skylark. Why does it look like a Cord? When Auburn/Cord went bankrupt, both Graham-Paige and Hupp went to the auction. The Cord was front drive; Hupp built it with RWD.

Anybody remember what first drew Ward to June? Here dad was a Hupmobile dealer.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 10:48 AM (xq1UY)

49 @ 41

That's odd. I spent many years working on Japanese vehicles, (but primarily domestic) and the Toyotas wereone of the most reliable vehicles we saw. Usually only for routine maintenance.

After the Japanese pretty much solved the rust issues the early cars had they've been decent cars.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 15, 2014 10:48 AM (SAMxH)

50 >>>Mike Elk @MikeElk Follow

Also odd there was no booze at union hall tonite - never would have happened back in the birth

12:35 AM - 15 Feb 2014<<<

Some labor reporter who was pretty upset with the way the vote turned out.

Guess unions need to get people stinking drunk to actually thinks it's a good idea to join. Or guys with tire irons, which ever.

Posted by: Hate Miser at February 15, 2014 10:49 AM (kHyGq)

51 I did not expect the vote to be that close myself, but there's a lot of Obama voters in that state. Look at the two clowns they send as senators and don't forget Owlgore is from there.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion, and hoping its 404care at February 15, 2014 02:36 PM (baiNQ)

The reason that the UAW picked Chattanooga as its target is because the city is known to lean left; they wouldn't have a prayer in say, West Point, GA. Also, the two clowns have pissed Tennesseans off, expect Alexander to face a tough primary. And Tennesseans absolutely hate Gore now. He got elected there because of his father's legacy and Tipper's Parental Advisory schtick, but between his dopey Gaia hypocrisy and his dopehead kids, the family is reviled in Tennessee now.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 15, 2014 10:49 AM (oxjIj)

52 Country Singer, the Powerball is $330 million annuity tonight. Might be able to afford the Daytona and the Unimog then.

Taro don't worry he is well on his way to paying. Since he has done bolt on mods to boost the HP to almost 800HP and has put it down the track.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 15, 2014 10:49 AM (i4AI5)

53 On the road, so just stopping in for a minute. Nice post NDH. Last week I might have mentioned that I was signing off to work on getting a car ready for sale. Amazingly, it's already sold, paid for, picked up by the transport company, and will be delivered in Pennsylvania today. Thank you Algore for the internet.

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 15, 2014 10:49 AM (4sTbi)

54 Sorry, but that Jeep is so ghey. It is a decidedly chick car.

Posted by: TrueNorthist at February 15, 2014 10:49 AM (3Aixx)

55 Danica just lost an engine in practice, the second blown Hendrick engine, her boss, Tony Stewart being the other one. Lotsa nervous drivers who have those engines...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 15, 2014 10:49 AM (0HooB)

56 Ouch. Might as well save a few more pennies and get the Porsche. Posted by: Anna Puma Yeah but then he would instantly become an asshole.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 10:50 AM (1Y+hH)

57 >>Then save a few thousand dollars more for the Porsche maintenance. I had a 914 back in the day. Mid-engine nightmare to work on. You literally had to drop the engine to change the spark plugs. Fun to drive though.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2014 10:50 AM (g1DWB)

58 Correction, that's the third blown Hendrick engine (Bobby Labonte).

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 15, 2014 10:50 AM (0HooB)

59 I started the shorts with dark socks look.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 15, 2014 10:51 AM (l3vZN)

60 47 just wanted to note that the National Archives in London is on fire, and the photo makes it look bad. Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 02:48 PM (1Y+hH) ------------- OMG. I pray that they can save everything. (There are several copies of Magna Carta, outside of the Archives one, thank heaven.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 15, 2014 10:51 AM (dfYL9)

61 But first you will blow me !

Posted by: Danica's Engine at February 15, 2014 10:51 AM (qQk+U)

62 "...but between his dopey Gaia hypocrisy and his dopehead kids, the family is reviled in Tennessee now." I don't think that $1,400 monthly electric bill at his Club Med of a house helped either.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 10:51 AM (1Y+hH)

63 Unless you are needing a long bed, and/or will be towing humongous loads, I would recommend you consider the Honda Ridgeline.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 02:47 PM (BeSEI)

Load capacity is a primary factor, as I end up with a lot of firewood in the back. I also have a trailer in the plans, and already being familiar with the towing characteristics and wiring schemes of both the Ford and the Nissan they fall into my comfort zone.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 15, 2014 10:53 AM (oxjIj)

64 49 -

I would still recommend Toyota over any of the domestic names, but compared to the other Japanese makes, it came in fourth in my experience.

Granted, I'm only one person, and I'm biased because the Mazda saved my life, but compared to the Nissan for example, the Toyota needed more little things, and seemed more... delicate? If that makes any sense.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:53 AM (BeSEI)

65 FWIW, I have been very happy with my VW Eos, which turns six next month. It's a fun car to drive, although I would not call it a sports car per se. Handle great, good pick up, problem-free. Gets about 27 mpg combined (probalby 70/30 city/hwy driving usage). Still get compliments on it from time to time. And the top mechanism is terrific. It has a large power sunroof and then the hard top convertible roof. Very tight car even with the convertible, especially compared to the Pontiac G6 (or whatever the hardtop is), which I've driven a few times and found annoyingly noisy.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 10:54 AM (zDsvJ)

66 That '39 Hupmobile is a Skylark. After Cord went belly up the body dies for the advanced Cord 812 were purchased by Graham and Hupp for a conventional drive automobile. Not many came off the line, and they were titled as 40's and a few left over 41's.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 15, 2014 10:54 AM (l3vZN)

67 A 914/6 is a roller skate with enough horsepower to make life fun and or lethal. Sometimes both.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 15, 2014 10:55 AM (i4AI5)

68 (There are several copies of Magna Carta, outside of the Archives one, thank heaven.) Posted by: Margarita DeVille Thanks MDV!

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 10:55 AM (1Y+hH)

69 The only Vette that I really lamented was the 62, the last year before the Stingray and the car driven by Buzz on Route 66 The rest of them are still easy to find and replace

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 10:55 AM (aTXUx)

70 I'd like to have a pickup, but not a black one. It's the Porsche that should be black. Historically, black was THE most popular Porsche color, although I'm not sure it still is. We went to the Nethercutt Museum last week, where I was able to indulge my love of both old cars and old musical machinery, from an Edison Laboratory Model Disc Player (which I have) to the world's third-largest theater organ (which I don't have--yet). One of the really great things about the Nethercutt is that, by charter, everything in it must work. Every one of their cars is kept in working condition and registered for street driving.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (IlZPo)

71 Love these car threads but just wanted to note that the National Archives in London is on fire, and the photo makes it look bad. The Magna Carta isn't there is it? *** Oh no!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (DmNpO)

72 63 -

That absolutely makes sense. If Honda ever decides to build a bigger truck though....

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (BeSEI)

73 Next (new) vehicle will be a Subaru Forester. After seeing the little Juno girl come out, I remembered I was born a lesbian.

Posted by: Erowmero at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (OONaw)

74 IIRC during the Blitz the Magna Carta was moved, for safety.
Now, in a thoroughly modern building, it and the Doomsday Book may perish?

In many ways this is the story of Obama.

What force or guile could not subdue
through many warlike ages
is wrought now by a coward few
for hireling traitor's wages.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (xq1UY)

75 Most of what I find is either cheesecake or clearly not intended for a female audience (ahem). --- I hear ya! I was alarmed by the hits I was getting on "Rose" for last week's garden thread. I guess guys don't have this barrier - they seem willing to look at lesbian pron. But I have zero interest in a dude if I know he's swinging the other way.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (zDsvJ)

76 Sorry about the dupe post about the Hupp Skylark. I missed it earlier. I shall commit seppuku at once.....

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 15, 2014 10:56 AM (l3vZN)

77 I saw today that the Magna Carta is in Houston right now.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 10:57 AM (zDsvJ)

78 ‏@TheHistoryofTX The Magna Carta is now in Houston! RT @hmns: BLOG POST: Happy Magna-tineÂ’s Day: Magna Carta exhibit now open http://bit.ly/1jifwQj

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 10:57 AM (zDsvJ)

79 I guess guys don't have this barrier - they seem willing to look at lesbian pron. But I have zero interest in a dude if I know he's swinging the other way. *** Amen, sister.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 10:58 AM (DmNpO)

80 Danica just lost an engine in practice, the second blown Hendrick engine, her boss, Tony Stewart being the other one.

Lotsa nervous drivers who have those engines...
===
Well, ok then ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkvD7-u7y8

Posted by: mrp at February 15, 2014 10:58 AM (JBggj)

81 Country Singer, the Powerball is $330 million annuity tonight. Might be able to afford the Daytona and the Unimog then.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 15, 2014 02:49 PM (i4AI5)

Thanks for reminding that I need to go buy a ticket!

I don't think that $1,400 monthly electric bill at his Club Med of a house helped either.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 02:51 PM (1Y+hH)

He had a boat on Center Hill Lake outside Nashville that pissed everyone off, too: http://tinyurl.com/ll3hkce

Posted by: Country Singer at February 15, 2014 10:58 AM (oxjIj)

82 >>A 914/6 is a roller skate with enough horsepower to make life fun and or lethal. Sometimes both. Had the first part down, came close to the second on numerous occasions.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2014 10:58 AM (g1DWB)

83 The only Vette that I really lamented was the 62, the last year before the Stingray and the car driven by Buzz on Route 66 The rest of them are still easy to find and replace Posted by: kbdabear One of the worst errors of my life was selling my 59 Vette. They produced about 9900 of them, can't be too many still on the road.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 11:00 AM (1Y+hH)

84
   Starting to countdown the days until the weather permits unleashing the Toy. One of life's real pleasures.

    Being able to drive a 46 year old car that you spent 14k on to return it to it's original state.

    And realizing again it sold for $2900 in 68.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 15, 2014 11:01 AM (SAMxH)

85 I'm not exactly a lifelong NASCAR fan, but I've learned to enjoy it. The radio broadcasts are great, with multiple broadcast teams around the track, seamlessly transitioning to one another as the cars pass by their location. Also sports page osmosis. Pretty hard to avoid racing of all kinds in NC. I might watch a race or two this season, see if the new rules have the predicted impact.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 15, 2014 11:01 AM (ZshNr)

86 I think that is what I will do today instead of the computer or yard work - wash the Shelby. After all this snow and rain.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 15, 2014 11:03 AM (i4AI5)

87 According to this from the BBC, the fire was in two disused water towers near the archives building but never threatened the building itself:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26208830

FWIW, there are multiple copies of Magna Carta, around a dozen or so IIRC.

Posted by: Retread at February 15, 2014 11:03 AM (cHwk5)

88 One reason that cars changed styles so often back in the old days was to make a 4 year old car look obviously ancient even though the drive train was basically the same and no breakthrough technology came out. Nowadays, there's almost no difference to the layman's eye between let's say a 2014 Nissan Altima or a 2010, or even a 2006. Not only that, back then a car with 100K miles was ready for the junkyard, today it's just getting broken in

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 11:03 AM (aTXUx)

89 627 voted for the union thugs 712 voted against. That's not a lot of no, voting workers who will have their heads knocked together by the union goons to sway the next election.

Posted by: Buffalobob at February 15, 2014 11:05 AM (RZBmV)

90 Sweet, sweet DKOS tears over the UAW VW vote.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 15, 2014 11:05 AM (BAS5M)

91 On the "sexy" Mercedes sedan, I had a custom- ordered E550 delivered at the Mercedes Benz mega- factory in Sindelfingen, Germany last year. The experience was awesome. Factory tour, ritzy lunch, movie and mini-museum. If you ever buy a Mercedes, get European delivery. But so far, hot chicks have been noticeable mainly by their absence. Am I doing something wrong?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 15, 2014 11:05 AM (dYf+Z)

92 Not only that, back then a car with 100K miles was ready for the junkyard, today it's just getting broken in ============== My car is ten years old, and has 73,000 miles on it. I hope to drive it another ten years.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 15, 2014 11:05 AM (oMKp3)

93 National Archives in London on fire? Any video of Barry casually flicking a Kool butt onto the carpet while scratching his nose with his middle finger?

Back to vehicles - forget the '72 Vette. My dream vehicle is a T34/85.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 11:07 AM (celt+)

94 627 voted for the union thugs 712 voted against. That's not a lot of no, voting workers who will have their heads knocked together by the union goons to sway the next election. Posted by: Buffalobob We're on it!

Posted by: US Depts. of Justice and Labor at February 15, 2014 11:07 AM (l3vZN)

95 "According to this from the BBC, the fire was in two disused water towers near the archives building but never threatened the building itself:" Excellent, the report I saw said the Archives was on fire and included a horrific photo with flames and lots of black smoke.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 11:07 AM (1Y+hH)

96 NDH That twitter link doesn't take me anywhere. Am I doing it wrong?

Posted by: grammie winger at February 15, 2014 11:08 AM (oMKp3)

97 >>If you ever buy a Mercedes, get European delivery. Had a friend do that with a Porsche Turbo years ago, back when the autobahn was more autobahny. He and his wife spent a couple weeks driving around Europe. They still talk about it as one of the best trips of their lives.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 15, 2014 11:09 AM (g1DWB)

98 "Nowadays, there's almost no difference to the layman's eye between let's say a 2014 Nissan Altima or a 2010, or even a 2006." The need for low wind resistance has ruined all car styling. There's only one shape that works. Teardrop.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 11:09 AM (1Y+hH)

99
   I absolutely will not deny the engineering advantages the new vehicles have--it's just that any appeal or individuality has been engineered out of them.

    No "there" there.

    Don't have to own or drive one, so I'll enjoy the old stuff and the attendant care they require is no burden.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 15, 2014 11:10 AM (SAMxH)

100 But so far, hot chicks have been noticeable mainly by their absence. Am I doing something wrong? ============ Get a golden retriever puppy. Put it in the passenger seat. Boom. Instant oohs and ahhhs.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 15, 2014 11:11 AM (oMKp3)

101 Had a friend do that with a Porsche Turbo years ago, back when the autobahn was more autobahny. He and his wife spent a couple weeks driving around Europe. They still talk about it as one of the best trips of their lives. ---------- The autobahn is still pretty autobahnny. I drove my car at more than 130 mph on that trip. Sad to think it will never go nearly that fast again now that it's in the States.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 15, 2014 11:11 AM (dYf+Z)

102

The need for low wind resistance has ruined all car styling. There's only one shape that works. Teardrop.

Just like for boobehs.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 15, 2014 11:11 AM (BAS5M)

103 New DiT post.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 15, 2014 11:12 AM (o9Rp5)

104 The need for low wind resistance has ruined all car styling. There's only one shape that works. Teardrop. Another reason to hate the govt.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 15, 2014 11:12 AM (1Y+hH)

105 "Because big is better, the 6000 SUX. An American tradition."
http://youtu.be/Thbg0HoJBJw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 15, 2014 11:15 AM (i4AI5)

106 That twitter link doesn't take me anywhere. Am I doing it wrong? *** I can't imagine what you could be doing wrong. It should take you to the page with all the UAW-related tweets.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 11:16 AM (DmNpO)

107 @88 I can still remember the name of the commie propaganda rag that I first read that argument in. The Party pushed "planned obsolescence" theory pretty hard.

It is certainly not true of 1930's cars. The makers simply could not afford it. Twenty years later, styling was a big deal, but look at the rest of late 1950's US culture. Styling was a big deal.

The 1939 poster shows all "semi-detached" fenders, a trend that had started about eight years earlier. It was taken as a required item, much like the three boxes of sedan design were much later. Studebaker's breakthrough independent front suspension was about to change everything, as it allowed front end integration. Then everybody got real busy, and it took a decade to catch on.

Packard was pretty much upwind of Rolls-Royce in the clamshell-fender era, still considered extremely handsome among the pontoons, then fell flat on its face postwar. They could not make a small car, and their tub-with-a-mustache sedans about killed them with anybody but their old-money portfolio. Right at the end, Dick Teague delivered them a couple of dreamy mid-50's cruisers (torsion-bar suspension too), but, too late.

They bought Studebaker to go down-market, just as production engineering gave the Big Three the tool to kill the Little Four. Abandoned an engine plant that had just been re-tooled. They did make a significant small car though, ironically a cleverly-cobbled big car, the thing that Packard could not do.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 11:18 AM (xq1UY)

108 I'm not exactly a lifelong NASCAR fan, but I've learned to enjoy it. Growing up in Alabama as I did, I have certain genes devoted to certain things, like sports. There's a NASCAR gene, a Crimson Tide gene, a fried chicken gene, a Southern Belle gene, a fishing gene... Alas, there's no hockey gene, and don't axe me where the Guinness gene came from, probably the British Army Captain that came here in 1750 to establish the line. OK, grease monkeys, I gotta go get beer and racing food for tonight's race. Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at February 15, 2014 11:18 AM (0HooB)

109 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 15, 2014 03:16 PM (DmNpO) ======== Weird. It takes me to a what's trending now page, mostly foreign sites.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 15, 2014 11:19 AM (oMKp3)

110
CLUE fantasy:

I'll take the UPS chick driving this in the garage with a candlestick.

http://tinyurl.com/m4f9wbf

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 15, 2014 11:21 AM (n0DEs)

111 Considering the VW would not allow anti union people even a list of the employees and worked to get the union certified, I think this is a great win. I don't know the demographics of the plant, but I am willing to bet at least 1/3 are minorities which always fall for the union story. That would mean over 300 votes in the bag for them. 53% is big enough to be fraud proof and very hard for the union to object. Remember the vote was over THREE days.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 15, 2014 11:21 AM (0FSuD)

112 It must be an iPad thing. I tried the twitter link on my PC and it works fine, goes to the UAW.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 15, 2014 11:22 AM (oMKp3)

113 Stringer Davis, If I recall correctly that engine plant was to produce an obsolescent straight 8. It should never have happened in the first place. FWIW, I owned, briefly a 1948 Preggo Elephant with a 288 cu in straight 8.

Posted by: US Depts. of Justice and Labor at February 15, 2014 11:26 AM (l3vZN)

114 Off damn sock

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 15, 2014 11:26 AM (l3vZN)

115 9 I'd be very happy with a '72 Vette. Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 02:16 PM (celt+) You can park it next to your 72 Chevy Vega too First year of the strangled "smog motor" 350 and the middle of the C3 junks which reached their nadir with the 305 150hp turd of the early 80s By then, Vettes were mainly driven by porn stars and high earning exotic dancers. The C3 was the end of the Vette's dominance in the American sports car market which gave the Germans and Japanese a lead they haven't relinquished to this day

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 11:27 AM (aTXUx)

116 @111 I agree with your stats analysis, and will add that the union actually conceded, which they never do, making it hard to come back with procedural complaints. There will be a media campaign of things "we just couldn't know."

This is not over, not by a long shot. The race card will be played somehow, klan-kalls will be sounded, and in some way the issue will end up in the laps of those recess appointees, on a hill not worth dying on. Spring Hill.

Plus, you never know if there's some illegal Indian rosewood in the dashboards.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 11:28 AM (xq1UY)

117 @113 It was the 374 V8. 310 HP.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 11:32 AM (xq1UY)

118 The German assembly plants are heavy on automation, computerization, and robotics. Their union people tend to be the highly skilled engineers who can't be easily replaced with a machine. I wonder if it occurred to them that most UAW rank and file are barely literate fatasses who screw in tail light assemblies after the barely literate fatass finally managed to pick the right one out of the parts bin and dump it with the forklift at his station

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 11:35 AM (aTXUx)

119 107 @88 I can still remember the name of the commie propaganda rag that I first read that argument in. The Party pushed "planned obsolescence" theory pretty hard. Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 03:18 PM (xq1UY) I never bought the "planned obsolescent" propaganda either, but it was serendipitous that yearly design changes not only brought people to the show rooms knowing something new would be there, but that their 58 sure looked prehistoric next to that new 62.

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 11:39 AM (aTXUx)

120 I put that UAW vote on a spread sheet and did a pie chart labeled in percent. It says 53% no and 47% yes. So the union actually lost by 6%. Still not a small amount by election standards.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 11:42 AM (T2V/1)

121 This is not over, not by a long shot

It's never over. Even if uaw doesn't bring suit, or whine and bitch through their media mouthpieces, IIRC they'll be able to start the organizing process all over again after 1 year.

(My workplace has survived several attempts --by different aflcio affiliate-- over the last 10 or so years.)

They're withering. Though they can smell the money, they can't afford to waste their resources. Ha. May they fall short, amen.

Posted by: JeanQ at February 15, 2014 11:44 AM (82lr7)

122 UAW whining about "outsiders coming in" and "intimidation tactics" Irony Meters the world over just buried the needles

Posted by: kbdabear at February 15, 2014 11:46 AM (aTXUx)

123 Thanks for the shout NDH! Like that series CICGC--always like to hear comedians talking about comedy, without politics. Very funny people hanging out-- The cars are awesome, and Louis CK's boat in his clip is right across the river from me.

Posted by: Johnny I at February 15, 2014 11:46 AM (pIyR3)

124 "outsiders coming in" and "intimidation tactics"

Oh yes, anyunion should know aaalllllllll about that, yes indeedy!

Posted by: JeanQ at February 15, 2014 11:49 AM (82lr7)

125 You seem to put a lot of thought into asses, and the fatness thereof. Frankly I'm not finding any of your thrashing about very convincing. When Mercedes brought their Swatch partners to Chrysler's Belvidere plant, their mouths fell open. They claimed that they would need three times as many workers to run that operation.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at February 15, 2014 11:50 AM (xq1UY)

126 "outsiders coming in" and "intimidation tactics" ======== You mean like the union thugs bussed in from out of state going door to door here in Wisconsin during the Walker recall? Speaking of which, I guess I should let that guy out of my basement.

Posted by: grammie winger at February 15, 2014 11:58 AM (oMKp3)

127 I guess I should let that guy out of my basement.

Maybe check the garden thread re: hobo fertilizer? Somebody mentioned they got a woodchipper, too. LOL!

Posted by: JeanQ at February 15, 2014 12:03 PM (82lr7)

128 You could not give me a BMW if you shoved it up my a$$ with a pogo stick. There is a reason they give that hub caps to tail light warranty -- they have to move the garbage off the lot.

Posted by: PissAntinPA at February 15, 2014 12:11 PM (RHBWt)

129 Cool, I didn't get this joke until I saw this post: http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/02/Obamacare-Museum-copy.jpg

Posted by: docweasel at February 15, 2014 12:23 PM (gW7Y2)

130 When Mercedes brought their Swatch partners to Chrysler's Belvidere plant, their mouths fell open. They claimed that they would need three times as many workers to run that operation.
Posted by: Stringer Davis

--------------

Makes sense. A Chrysler is about a third as good as a Benz.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 15, 2014 12:27 PM (celt+)

131 55 Danica just lost an engine in practice

Maybe she left it in her other pants.

Posted by: Anachronda at February 15, 2014 12:28 PM (U82Km)

132 Speaking of UPS drivers....Some of the younger package car drivers (that's what the company calls the brown delivery trucks) do rather well when they drive vacation coverage routes in the suburbs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 15, 2014 12:41 PM (QFxY5)

133 Oh, the tears are so sweet. Go over to the NY Slime and read the story on the union defeat. Most of the commentators are convinced that all Southerns are brain dead for not wanting the union to "look after them". Really, read the comments, these people are from a different world. http://tinyurl.com/nye6njm Might be firewalled, don't know.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 15, 2014 12:43 PM (0FSuD)

134 32% of women in the study responded that thereÂ’s just something women like about a pickup man. And, given that their top choice in vehicle color is black ---- Hmm, I missed this first time around. Yeah, I do NOT like pickup truck (or SUV) guys (or gals for that matter). They tend to be bad drivers and worse parkers. I love convertibles, but a lot of the dudes driving them are clearly going through midlife crises. Pass. That said, I always check out the comeback Thunderbird convertibles (I like the minty green/aqua one the best), the Volvo convertible (which are rare), and the Lexus convertible IS whatever it is. Convertibles should have light tan interiors, never black. I prefer blue exterior, but gold is ok. I will say my blue VW Eos (w/ tan interior) generally attracts the ladies (if I wanted to switch teams, I'd be all set). Also get some questions from middle aged men who ask about it for their wives.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 01:16 PM (zDsvJ)

135 In terms of guys being attractive, I like Jeep Wrangler convertibles.

Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 01:16 PM (zDsvJ)

136 135 Posted by: Y-not (@MoxieMom) at February 15, 2014 05:16 PM (zDsvJ)

I will be driving down to GA either at the end of next month or in April to pick up an almost new Toyota pickup truck. It is part of my uncle's estate and I will be buying it from the estate through the estate lawyer.

I just have to figure out what to do with with my '96 F-150 and the 2002 Crown Vic. Wifey just got a brand new Toyota Venza and I can't maintain taxes and insurance on all of these. Taxes and insurance on autos in SC is astronomical.

As for being a women getter that is not an issue. If you live out in the country like I do you just about have to have a pickup truck.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at February 15, 2014 01:27 PM (T2V/1)

137 The wife is looking for a new car. Absolutely no fucking clue what to get. It sucks out there.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 15, 2014 01:34 PM (FMbng)

138 Car thread is hard for me, as Sat afternoons are pretty busy. I'm working on old cars! But that UPS driver photo is "save as wallpaper" material. I feel like I have to show it to my actual UPS driver. Best place to shop is Cars.com, with a Craigslist back. Late model cars: If you have more money, Audi A3 diesel. If you have less money, VW Jetta or Golf diesel. If you are buying an older car, small dealers get the cars that big dealers take on trade, but can't sell on their lots for appearance reasons. Mid 90s 3 series BMWs can be found with low miles, in babied condition and they are great cars, I just bought one for my godson and it rules. If you need a van, the Toyota Siena minivan is the newer choice, and the Ford Aerostar is the older choice (I have four). And for larger car, but not minivan, the luxury cars all depreciate like stones. My favorite is the BMW 7 series, but consider Mercedes S or Lexus LS, always choose 1-2 body styles ago for maximum buy opportunity.

Posted by: scottst at February 16, 2014 08:31 AM (Fp9Vt)

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